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00:22:18 ◼ ► iphone but um I i do i kinda like how how rounded the that original iphone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► but but the five design is great and I like it a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► I said somebody on Twitter was asking for an iphone SE case that is as close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► as possible to the original iphone but you would have to be longer obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► because the screens longer but that was a good design to it was it was although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► i laughed and i got one here and I look at it every now and then a new iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► comes out and it's like the some of it is really beautiful and then there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► like the chrome because it's got like that soft brought like the brushed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► aluminum back about the friends got the shiny chrome frame and I'm like wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► that's not I mean that they would not have ever done that after the fact it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1375">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► was but that was what they did you can see they're just getting their feet wet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► they were learning at that point I feel like they've come so far in terms of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► they fit pieces together in that in across all of their devices really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► if you look back and think to like the the titanium powerbook which was sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► the forbearer of all modern power books and macbooks I mean in it means eve even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► made of a different material they didn't get to aluminum added and there are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► lot of problems with titanium with the flaking off of the coding and but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► big difference to me was that they were little plastic pieces across all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► scenes like they couldn't just make a corner out of titanium it it all needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► to be sealed up with a plastic corner in the original iphone sort of like that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► where they needed like a like a pc like literally it was like a piece of chrome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► around the delay between the display in the aluminum and I'd like the black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► cutout at the at the bottom that was like I mean it was just that was had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► what they needed to do to assemble the thing and then and then the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► generation phones were the well what if we just have a big polycarbonate back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► and and then with four was like alright we figured out how to do this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► everything comes from that just like you're right the titanium powerbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► every macbook has looked like that since then I mean within yeah and they've all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► essentially you can tell they're all of a kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► that was the moment where they went from being like black and brown plastic 22 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► being that that silver laptop that we know now right I mean just in little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► ways i mean if you compare it for going to go down memory lane and compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► the original iphone you can just see how the whole industry not just apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► come so far and 15 years or so of like Wireless where wireless stuff you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► always have like an actual antenna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► yeah no I mean like I remember seeing like a palm treo you'd be like an actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► antenna up in the upper right Clyde one of those yeah absolutely did and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► everybody just accepted it because it was amazing you know I'm talking on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► phone and I'm not connected to any wires of course there's got to be an antenna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1496">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► and then you know to go to come so far were like in 2007 we complained about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► the black plastic on the back of the iphone because it would need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► plastic to get the antenna signals through and it's quite complained about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► that just because this didn't look great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► yeah it's well it's it's kinda hard to think that it's been less than 10 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► and I at the whole industry i mean this has been talking about a lot it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► just how much better people have gotten that phones which is absolutely true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► everybody has gotten better at phones but the the drive to make smartphones in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► the miniaturization of of all this attack has led to all of these other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► spin-off devices because once you build these tiny computers that you could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► all sorts of other stuff with them too and it's less than 10 years thats i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► on some podcast where I said that I thought that in the end this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► smartphone the computer era would be seen as a footnote to the smartphone era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► that was like remember when we first made computers you couldn't put them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► your pocket as opposed to how we think of it now which is oh now you can put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► computer in your pocket like I don't think in in terms of history that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► we're going to think about it it's like it's already in less than 10 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► change so much about how people interact all around the world that you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► that's end and has driven so much new technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► yeah totally all right back to the event so here's a question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► let's go through i have my notes now I haven't let's go through in order so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► hooked em cook comes out and starts with the weather is the 42nd 40 years and 40 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► seconds thing which was delightful included a Newton joke people forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► that I mean our people don't know that that crossing out the Newton wasn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► malicious that was the that was the actual pin stroke you use to erase a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► word i didn't notice that they actually went to that detail I did not notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► oh yeah it's the is that little up and down zigzag across the word and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► what they didn't they didn't have time to have the little puff of smoke right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► but that's I mean that was the Newton gesture for that that was right in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► room deep knowledge by whoever made that video with a little bit love ya and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► he came out any addressed the as we say the elephant in the room which was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► the time on monday apples pending court case against the FBI the next day and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► thought he spoke very well on it and that you'd spoken while on it ever since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► this this issue started in early februari but I feel like he's he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► gotten it down to a much more compelling argument and he's 6 for example like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► earlier like a few weeks ago he was comparing the creation of government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► os/2 he analogize it to cancer and I think I know where he was going with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► that but he's dropped that analogy and I think it's for the best yet he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► because it doesn't hold up as well and the main reason i think is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► cancer isn't man-made it's you know it's a this I mean there's man-made causes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1675">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► that you can lead you to get it but it's you know the fact that it exists is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► an unfortunate aspect of nature and our biology right I i think it's if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► going to go that route it's a little bit more like asking a company to make you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► know requiring a company to manufacture chemical weapons but that's an analogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► that I don't think he wants to use I think it's a better analogy but i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► think you want to use it because it's it's too unpleasant i thought that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► thing that he said that really was the way that I think that this should go is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► when he said that we see are we even see our phones as an extension of ourselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► that's the angle though that the disk i know that the case this particular case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► has been dropped the issue is definitely not going to go away and I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► that's the angle to go toward in terms of yes we are actually building warrant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► yeah you you diddle you have a post a link that i thought was really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► that was calling somebody on this argument like do we dare create a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► do we dare do that place where warrants can't reach and the point the point that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► you link to that somebody said was are our minds are or improve place the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► concept of a place that is and historically there have been other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► places that are essentially war improved but certainly are our minds are ours and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► I the the information in them is not subject to a warrant and I think that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► i thought the same thing when he said that this is this is the one of the key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► part parts of apples argument is our phones are extensions of ourselves there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► are there are not even back up brains they're part of our brains they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► where we keep information so we don't have to store it in our brains it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► this is how people live in the 21st century and therefore protecting that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► an extension of the protection that we've got essentially against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► self-incrimination this is part of our this part of our mind and if if the math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► means that the technology exists to lock something up and nobody can get to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► then we perhaps were all best off considering it that considering that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► extension of a warrant proof space that already exists on our mind so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► definitely you know he didn't go into it beyond just saying it's an extension of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► ourselves but you know you you and I had the same thought which is that you read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► between the lines there and that is what Apple is saying is you can't pry it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► of our head and my phone is part of my head it is it is it is who I am and if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► can make it so that you can't see what's in there then that's ok that's part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► the FBI called nevermind nevermind what you saw those that the legal analysis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► again we're not lawyers but you have a legal analysis uh over the weekend in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► the past week which is sort of like this isn't looking good for the FBI letter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► there's so many reasons that this that this is that Apple seems to have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► advantage here and the tide seem to turn I think even publicly the I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► FBI thought this was a slam dunk you know I think they thought that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► going to be able to do this Apple was gonna roll over and the people are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► to be on their side because they're talking about terrorism and protecting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► terrorist phone and all of these things and then the tide starts to turn their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► legal footing is is kind of not as solid as they thought it would be and then so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► all of a sudden they say well we found another way so nevermind which even that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► excuse is terrible because they basically said no no there is no other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► way we've searched everywhere and everybody went really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► and then there's like nevermind it's hard not to look at that and say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► the political calculation either they made it that this wasn't a good time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► do this or somebody else in the executive branch was like yeah don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► don't just cut just don't write or or go talk to the NSA or whatever whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► was that something happened figure out as graceful away as possible to get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► of this even if it's actually not graceful at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► yeah yeah and i think that it it backfired on the FBI in two ways is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► kind of I kind of get the feeling that they may be never thought that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► would go to actual trial but they thought it would be the other way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► the plan that public opinion would talk would go against apple so overwhelmingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► that ok Apple thinks they want to fight this but will you no will turn up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► temperature on the Terrorism dial and they'll still find out otherwise and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► that didn't happen like in and it certainly is not the case that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► public was overwhelmingly in Apple's favor now but it was close to 50 50 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► from the polls that I did see you know it seemed like it was slowly moving in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► Apple's favor it certainly wasn't backfiring on apple and i think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► FBI wasn't prepared for that and then the FBI looked at the what their legal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► shit if we do this we go to trial this does not look good so what I any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► thing that they did that was sort of like just dancing around and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► changing their mind it was like three or four like friday or thursday or friday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► but three or four days before it was supposed to go to trial they changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► that they said we would like this to be an evidentiary hearing where we call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► witnesses which you know it's not like that's unusual in and of itself but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► unusual to do you know requested at the last minute and I have my theory and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► again i'm just making this up i don't have any information to back it up but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► my guess is that they they looked at the legal arguments that we're kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► maybe if we call some witnesses we can make this a little bit less about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► facts in a little bit more like an emotional appeal you know got appeal to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► you know we're trying to fight terrorism here and then I think they realized over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► the weekend that really you know when they thought about it that really wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► yeah i think it is a combination of the law on the optics that happen to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► the objects you're exactly right i think they expected that the people would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► mixed on this and then when they heard about the details of Apple withholding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► information from a terrorist that the public would swing to their side and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► didn't do that it was the reverse of that people learn more about this issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► and started to understand why Apple was fighting it so i think they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► miscalculated and then yeah they Apple brings in Ted Olson I mean Apple like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► lawyer dup to to fight this as far as possible and you know I I think you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► those two together and and there's a and and they always had to have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► knowledge that there was even if they didn't know there were zero day exploits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► that they could probably use in i'm sure they i'm sure they knew that they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► find one if they wanted it was like in her back pocket a little bit and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► was the the escape hatches 00 we think let's put this on hold because not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► dismissed it's just on hold for now but I I yeah it seems like it's seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► though I any at one thing i noticed in its it really I don't you can overstate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► how much Apple is truly standing on principle here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► it and that it's you know whether you think it's good marketing or not and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► think that Apple really bristled at that accusation from the FBI that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► doing this for marketing purposes because so it whether it helps them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► marketing or not is beside the point they truly at and obviously i think from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► you know starting at the very top with tim cook right on down really see it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► a matter of principle and and the reason it's a little unusual to see a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► do something like that is that you could see it in the polling that that their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► negatives as they say in politics have gone way up like it was like before this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► like the last time the same polling group had it was like you know how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► people have an unfavorable opinion of apple and it was like eight percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► that's probably just a bunch of parrots like that people who hate the mac i hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► right it's the people who get into Mac versus PC flame war zone on the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► but like as a like last week it was up to like twenty one percent or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► like that so like the number of people united states with an unfavorable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► opinion of Apple like more than doubled almost tripled just because of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► issue just because of the very you know and and thinking about it and very broad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► terms apple is spitefully not helping the FBI unlock phone that belongs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► terrorists and that's just like this that's the sort of PR that companies you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► don't want yeah that's the worst the worst PR right you the easiest thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► do is go along like that like all the phone companies did and like a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► tech companies have done which is just go along keep it quiet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► don't talk about the tap that you put in for the government don't talk about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► look you know this work you do or this loophole that you've got and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► certainly the best right because then it's like nobody talks about it you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► risk having something like what happened with AT&T and blow up where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► revealed that there's this warrantless wiretapping going on in your telecom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► center you doing there are risks there but but still yeah apples putting itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► out there and they know they're going to get portrayed by the United States [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► government of all places the law-and-order wing of the United States [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► government as being on the side of terrorism essentially mean there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► good in the Senate and declared that Apple was on the side of Isis right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► mean this is bad PR but i do think i do think that they had their principal than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► it will talk about this whole section of the of the keynote or the media then not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► just tim cook but when we went on to talk about the health stuff and about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► the environment stuff to you know it is a PR calculation it's a media event it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► is always going to be a PR calculation but i do believe that it's also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► cultural thing an apple that they did I don't believe they just do this for good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2276">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► PR this is part of who they are and the philosophy they have about about their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► yeah i think that the environment thing is a perfect example of that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► however many people care about it i really think that the number of iphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► and ipads that they sell because Apple has a good stance toward the environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► is like you know you could one person could carry them upstairs yeah no I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► it's not there are not very many people who are making their decision on what to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► buy based on the environmental policies of the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► it's you know it did I think Lisa Jackson even said it that you can feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► good about Apple's environment at its it's a way to make you feel good about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► it but it's not it's not going to sell it and it you can't help but think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► it's costing them a significant amount of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► yeah yeah I think I think so but they've been is one of those funny cases where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► feel like they turn the corner to that they got rebuked by Greenpeace like 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2335">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► years ago and and within a year or two they started putting up that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► slide that is on every product launch now which is the green checklist right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► which you know they don't have to do that they really don't have to do it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► when they always just check all the boxes but they'd they they have done a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► lot to make their products more recyclable and less less toxic and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► they're doing things where they're you know they're buying electricity it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► all like it's not as if like they've got solar panels on other buildings and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► the buildings there is some of it is like there's a huge solar farm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► central California that they basically bought and said we want all the power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► from this but they they want to they want to say that they want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► that is you know I again I think it's good PR because it is we care but I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► think that they do actually care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► yeah and the other thing worth noting i mean it's dated but Lisa Jackson being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► onstage is noteworthy because a she's never been on stage at an event before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► and be you know in the last few years there's been a growing awareness that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► Apple puts up on stage are white men yep and anything anybody who's you know can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► broaden the diversity of the people who are on stage it's a good thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► multiple ways but it's a you know I brought up with his shoulder when he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► on the show at WWDC and and he made the point which is exactly what i suspected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► it's not like they pick people to do you know like here's who's going to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► its people who are responsible for the thing that they're pitching who do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► right like so when Josh comes up to do the iphone SE it josh is it not just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► person who does you know who does product marketing he's product marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► for iphone yeah and so the fact that Lisa Jackson was onstage she wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► going to come out onstage to talk about the iphone SE it's because she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► literally in charge of apples it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► environmental policy yeah I think I do think they're they're definitely making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► an attempt I it is it seems to me that they're asking the question like how can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► we how can we better you know reflect diversity on stage and in videos and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► those things and there they are not close to being sort of what you see from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► a google event or even microsoft event but there you can see that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► working on getting better i noticed not just Lisa Jackson but in the videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► there were there were two videos featuring apple employees and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► them a video is narrated by an apple product manager who is asian and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► was one that was that featured one health videos featured and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► a an apple employee who is an Indian woman and so I i did notice like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► people in the people it not and not just like the kids in the health study and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► all that but that like the representatives of apple in those videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► were people we haven't seen before voices we hadn't heard before and who do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► show some more of the diversity that is in existence and apple and you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► i read that is that they're making an effort and it's not like I mean it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► like there's an incredibly diverse group on stage and that Apple's totally turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► the corner I guess what I would say is that a I think there are aware of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► perception of it and are trying to take some steps but you know they got they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► got more work to do but it was a it was good to see new new people from apple on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► stage this is it's not just about Apple's diversity it's also like Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► used to be the least diverse company in the world because there was literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► like a guy who did almost everything publicly right Steve Jobs wanted to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► the face of everything Apple did and you're saying they were at least diverse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► in terms of their public trims the public persona because it was one guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► was teaching hubs was apple right and i think he cultivated that and he he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► he was good at it so why not do it and I feel like apples corporate culture is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► still continues to unwind with katie cotton leaving and Steve Downie taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► over for NPR I I feel like they're still there still unwinding out to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► lots of people are our work at Apple and let's get those voices on stage and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► was it started with sort of a small group of people who we already knew who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► would pop up during Steve Jobs keynotes and now it keeps widening and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► expected to keep doing that but it's kind of funny that you know I I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► think they have they they are trying to change but they have to change from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► model where like nobody gets on stage except steve and maybe a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► lieutenants and they don't I think they I think they know they need to not do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► yeah and I don't think they're ever going to go the route of Google who like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► a google i/o keynote there might be 20 people who come on stage I maybe I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► exaggerating a little but it's it's a lot it's a lot of people coming out for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► almost like individual features you know here's somebody else to do this on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2635">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► apple style of presentation is isn't going to change because i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► yeah i think it works you know and i think they believe it works there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► certain style to an apple show you know and it's it's fewer speakers coming out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► for longer segments you know and then maybe somebody you know like a WC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► there's a couple of things will have somebody come out to do the demo right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► and then there's you know but it's just it's inherently a little different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► the one thing with the Lisa Jackson thing I didn't comment on it i am i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► right up on my thoughts and observations but one of the things that a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► readers called me on and i have to say correctly so is it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► disingenuous to write what I call her her segment on is the that they pitched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► it as sort of like Apple is helping to save the climate and I think that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► little it's a little self-centered because I don't really think apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► footprint as big as a company that they are is single-handedly really going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► move the dial on the overall climate at the planet i think that they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► pitch it more i really do because i think that i think this is working help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► is pitch it more as we're setting an example that we want all of our other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► fellow companies in the fortune 500 to follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► we're showing that it's possible to be a hundred percent renewable why is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► aren't other companies doing the same and i still believe that but the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► thing i didn't mention and I didn't think about it was that they they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► they're very carefully omitting their supply chains come from their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► measurements right and I don't know it would be interesting I mean I'll because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2738">TS</a>]
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00:45:51 ◼ ► what's the environmental footprint of of our supply chain when I would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► interested to know how big that is compared to the rest of apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► operations one of the interesting things on and I've seen Ben Thompson right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► about this its protector a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2763">TS</a>]
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00:46:08 ◼ ► the future of renewable energies he's written about it a lot that china is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► really changing it to the point where China's path to renewable energy from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2773">TS</a>]
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00:46:26 ◼ ► actually because their pollution is horrible but I it's interesting i wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► if there's a there's something behind the scenes where they talk to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► supply chain and and are leaning on them to do this because I i think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2796">TS</a>]
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00:46:50 ◼ ► amounts of renewables and it's going to keep doing that for a long time to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2810">TS</a>]
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00:47:13 ◼ ► the trains run on time a little easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2833">TS</a>]
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00:47:18 ◼ ► you can say like we're gonna buy power here and we want the credit for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2838">TS</a>]
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00:47:33 ◼ ► Apple puts the know that that solar farm that south of monterey to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► it's not like there's an apple campus right there that's wired to it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2860">TS</a>]
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00:47:54 ◼ ► the electrons are in the grid and then they take but they get the credit for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► that generation so you know electricity is weird but they're there they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► trying and i would imagine that that that the supply chain is probably going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► to get better just because I get the impression that the energy mix in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► is going to get better but you know who knows you're you're you're right i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► sure tim cook knows well they're conspicuously avoided mentioning it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2892">TS</a>]
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00:48:21 ◼ ► on their team i probably would have said yeah we don't know this is not mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► it yeah i think i think you're right though Apple wants to be a I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2904">TS</a>]
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00:48:34 ◼ ► standing up and we're going to be under percent renewables by this date you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► do it because Apple did it and he and even say like here's what it costs us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► and it's realistic about how much it costs so that it you know because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► one of the arguments always like well we don't know it's a mystery and apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► could say no we know and you can follow our lead this is how much it will cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► so then the last part of the Lisa Jackson's part of the show was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► introduction of Liam the iphone deconstructing robot which was kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► surprise i mean because apple doesn't really show you a bunch behind the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► know behind the stage ever right and it's sort of an interestingly my and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2950">TS</a>]
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00:49:21 ◼ ► working on Liam the deconstructing robot are also working on a sibling robot who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► puts phones together because I before we ever got a look at the you know an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► started publishing photos of you know like the inside of the foxconn factories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► are assembly lines i guess it's a better way to put it you know like when Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► Cook started going there and there were photo ops and you could see it it it a I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► shouldn't have been surprised but like my gut feeling was that I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► would be a lot more automated and because there are things you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► like when you see like a car factory and auto auto factory a lot of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/2995">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► roboticized whereas putting these electronics together is largely a rat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► least today is largely a baby manual job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► yeah I wonder and I don't know whether that's something that does Apple do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► or just Apple talk to their manufacturers about doing that is Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► Reno work with them and and say we want to reinvent how this you know how this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► goes on so that the people working in the factories or supervising the robots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► rather than doing all the work themselves on that would certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► reduce the number of people working in the factories which is certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► the auto industry in the United States had problems right because you lost a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► lot of jobs that way but I don't know it's it would be it's fascinating to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► because this is like this is a people think people talked about the problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► of recycling electronics for a long time but I felt like there was never a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► drumbeat on it like there was about some other stuff but this is definitely you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► know the the seems to be almost in the same class as some of the other tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► that we know exists back in the back of the apple store where it's like it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► Apple's benefit to have a recycling program and they refurbished phones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► they can disassemble the parts and reuse them and how much of this is about being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► friendly to the earth and how much of this is about like it good business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► sense to why don't we why don't we reclaim all of these things and and put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► them back to use I don't know it would be an interesting who builds that who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► builds Liam do you get a job as a an engineer at apple and then discover that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► rather than building like the new iphone you're building a device to take apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► yeah maybe I guess so i can't help but think that it was that it to apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► yeah well they said it's in California so yeah I i assume so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► yeah pretty cool stuff and then they gave mashable like a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► behind-the-scenes look at it which is another sign of the modern yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► new apple i also before I guess before we move on the other thing too and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► Tim Cook even I guess you mentioned it at the end but that it's you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► everything goes according to schedule this will be that will be that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► last event they're going to hold on campus right on on that on that campus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► on that campus right I and a couple of people and I guess it's just I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► overlooked how some of the things that I find obvious but other people don't but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► a couple of readers were like he just say that they're not gonna release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► anything new this year and the answer's no no that's not the point its that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► schedule that Apple has been on the pattern that they've kind of centered on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► is really sort of a three public event year schedule something in March which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► a varying you know important depending on whether they have something majorly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► WWDC in middle of June which is probably mostly software-based but maybe that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► what the hold the new macbooks for I don't know I don't know the release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► these new macbooks like with a press release between now and $YEAR WGC or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► hold them until WWDC but that's my guess is that the whole bunch of us will get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► call saying would you like to do that for a briefing and they'll say we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► new macbooks and here's the burrito and the press release will go out and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3182">TS</a>]
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00:53:08 ◼ ► yeah and then in September there will certainly be a major event but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► don't it's because it's a major event they're not gonna hold it in their tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► little town hall they're going to hold it like last year at the bill graham [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3195">TS</a>]
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00:53:47 ◼ ► some week where it wasn't booked where they could just drop in and do it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3227">TS</a>]
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00:53:53 ◼ ► have days of prep to get a space exactly the way they want it so that they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► just rent it for a day right i think i have my gut feeling is that were that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► your buena is a thing of the past again because its size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3241">TS</a>]
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00:54:15 ◼ ► area they built that only they built a whole new hands on thing the last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► anywhere between the last time they did here between that they actually cut a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► hole in the wall because they actually took a wall out I remember asking that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/3263">TS</a>]
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01:18:25 ◼ ► sensors exactly so they had to do their own thing they're little apple ii spin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4705">TS</a>]
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01:18:32 ◼ ► strap like that i'm an old regular watch that i have a similar it's not really an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► 80 style i actually because i don't like that I don't like the way that it sits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► on your wrist when it goes through like that but its NATO style and has it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► attaches to spring bars like a regular watch but I find that nylon is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► super comfortable material especially like in hot weather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► yeah and they look better I have heard some people say that they thought they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► looked kind of ugly on the on the apple website they look way better in person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4736">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► yeah they're actually very hard to photograph I think that yeah well it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► almost like you get a little more a pattern on them but yeah they are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► are they super pattern woven in a multiple color of woven fabric so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► they're hard to their hard to picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► yeah I'm looking at it right now on apple's website in by putting any kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► of angle that even though on a retina my retina display here it's it there it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► it's not a good pattern on it yeah it looks weird looks weird but in person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► they look nice but no major are shaking news on Apple watch which is exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► what we expected right so do you think what we talked about this in person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► after the event you think that they have to do I kind of think they do have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► apple watch to point out in September i think i think they need to do a refresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► its September will be two years since it was announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► if not shipped around and so it's hard to say that the hardware is two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► old the hardware didn't exist when it was announced right it was they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► still working on it and then they got out six months later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► but I feel like they did they do need to do a refresh at the same time I wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► what is an Apple watch refresh look like and is it you know they've got so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► work i think to do on the software side still to that too is it isn't like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► I'd like it see it be like yes there's a new model but it looks like the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► model more or less than all the bands work with it it behaves more or less the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► same maybe it's more energy-efficient it last longer it's it's it's more it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► faster whatever but it's sort of like still Apple watch almost not like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► stealth replacement Apple watch to is completely new but more like now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► know here's the new model of Apple watch it sits a little bit better and and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► leave it at that because I I feel like what they really don't want to do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► giving him the impression that every two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► there's going to be a completely different apple watch and all of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► I i think they all want almost want to make it feel timeless like this is our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4853">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► design it's going to look like this for a while you know you can get used to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► feel to feel good about buying one but we'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► I I that's my hope is that it's it's not like a like a major phone announcement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► but it's more like yeah the apple watch is a little bit better now but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► still the apple watch and in especially on the hardware side because you know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► think the hardware is is it can always be improved but it's not the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► with the Apple watch if I got problems with the Apple watch and we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► this too when we were in cupertino you know I think it's more on the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► like after two years of use or any year-and-a-half where the public is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► is is using it they should have some better ideas about like assumptions they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► made two years ago that maybe are right that they have to fix and software I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► think the hardware needs improvement to i think that the thing is just too damn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► I yeah yeah tonight really it's hard to tell right because is that the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► the hardware it's gotta be the hardware that's just the fact that it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► forever for apps to launch and sometimes they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► well and just for example like I just went through it again because they let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4916">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► me have a review unit of the Milanese things so I paired it with the it it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► the whole hassle it's such a it's the worst thing in the world to complain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► about because we want a great job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► I have this is great i mean i don't want to complain and then I you know Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► gives me these things to review and get to play with this all this stuff without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► having to buy it it's it's great fun but it you know but it's a pain in the ass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► like women with the way that Apple watch is paired to a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► it's a pain in the ass to test a new phone because then you can't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► fully test it unless you're also pairing it you know with your watch if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► how you normally if you actually where Apple watch and you know it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► pain in the ass to parenteral watch but just pairing the new watch that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► gave me to review i paired it with the iphone SE so i'm i'm leaving my watch my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► up the one I actually bought known paired with the iphone 6s that i bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► known and i'm using their review unit watch with a review unit phone what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4975">TS</a>]
01:23:01 ◼ ► pain in the ass addition to set up a new Apple watch it is it takes forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4981">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► yeah it's a and that's not just a reviewer's problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► my wife had her she had her iphone screen break and got a replacement and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► the replacement digitizer was bad so she took it back and they and they replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► the whole unit and you know what that means she had to then reap reap air her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► Apple watch and restore from backup and it took forever and then it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► working right and and they said but wipe wipe it and don't restore your backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► and see if it's something weird involving your backup so we wiped it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► then we had to repair they have once again it's another like hour to set that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► I so there are real-world scenarios where it's like anytime you change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► anything about your phone you have to go through that Apple watch process again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► alright and i don't mean to i think in the long run they have to be aware of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► this because inside Apple they have to be you know they probably parent on pear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► apple watches more than anybody you know why they're testing ideas and testing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► you know prototype new devices and stuff like that so they have to be aware of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► that but it's when you've gone through and it's no longer novel like when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► when it first came out and sure it took a long time but you could like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► I was you know just studying what it does and watching the little spinner go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► around and now that's a clever thing but now it's like oh my god this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► really can take like an hour it's got you so yeah I mean the hardware i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► imagine that um a new Apple watch would not look at that different there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► rumor about putting a camera on it i don't even know about that because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► just gonna take pictures of your nose but I ridiculous but but making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► processor faster and more energy-efficient and so that the battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► last longer these are things that I could see right though that that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► to me it feels like that's what the the new Apple watch should be is like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5095">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► old Apple watch except faster and last longer I can the only thing I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► think of using the camera for would not be facetime because again the angle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► would be terrible and the your arms get tired within like 15 seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► yeah I i could see it though if they can do it it would almost be to me the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► time i would imagine using it and i've i've been in this situation like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► i'm out jogging and and don't want to take my phone out of the pocket I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► and whatever if it's alright if I see something interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► it would be interesting to just . my wrist at it and take a picture but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► there'd be no there's problems with that too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► I because you don't you wouldn't be able to look at the screen to ya to do it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► you're pointing just pointing your watch it something if you can launch a cock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► camera app and it turns the like the bottom button into a shutter for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► picture you can get a picture but you you know you're almost like shooting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► yeah I i took some pictures of the apple of them without looking through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5155">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► viewfinder of like low low angles of apple products and the hands-on here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:02 ◼ ► afterward and they were all terrible because i couldn't frame them right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5162">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► it's not gonna be yeah I I get the appeal of the Dick Tracy video watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► kind of thing but boy that would not be where I would put my that's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► that's crying out on the exactly right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► this boy only had a camera in there man then we would really have something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► is not what I i think it's going on with the Apple watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► exactly so yeah I do think though that the big news for the watch and hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► and software will all be in September I think it'd be a huge part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► September event yeah I'd love to see if there was a if they talk about watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► 3a lot at WWDC if we get if we get maybe get a sense of that they're right I I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► and I'm hoping I'm really hoping that they rethink the whole thing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► yeah it feels like and developers feel this way to I think which is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:55 ◼ ► the app model doesn't really work right and it's completely using and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5215">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► aren't using apps in large part on the on the watch when i talk to developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► who have watch apps their apps don't get used very much and that would be a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► time for them to communicate with developers like all right we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► make some changes to watch OS we're going to make it simpler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► you know this is how you're gonna your software is going to interact with it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► gonna be a little bit different i would love to hear that at WWDC we'll see if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► they because i feel like the after two years they gotta look at and go oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► we we probably this hole complications and glances and apps from the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► launcher screen and what we use the buttons for it's like we kind of got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► let's let's clean this up and and into it take to on it um and I hope they do i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► hope they don't I hope they I think it'll be hard for them not to notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:45 ◼ ► that I hope they're like pride doesn't get in the way like no no it's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5265">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► fine it's gonna be fine because I think this product could be way better even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► all they did was change some of the things about the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► yeah I very much agree with that I we ever took my bottom line is that i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5277">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► they made a big mistake by offering apps in the first place that maybe eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► they should have done it but i think they should have bit the bullet and done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► what they did with the iphone and wait at least a year before they open it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► to apps just because the app experience is so poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► it's it really would have been better to ship without it even though it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► have inevitably led to people screaming that they want apps only in theory but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► still think it just the actual experience of it and the way it's played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► I think bears that out like you said like developers even say you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► yeah and and having you know your apps on your phone is phone accessory having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► your apps on your phone do things on the watch that are interesting i like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► idea i think the complications thing is actually way more interesting i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► glances are actually a little bit more interesting I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► was rather glances be more powerful and not have apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► yep yeah I I never want to go i can't remember the last time that I'd wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5336">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► to and needed to go to the app screen so the pressing one of the primary buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► on the thing one press on the crown takes me to a place where I never want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5346">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► yep so anyway I'm with you I new hardware and I I hope like a interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► conceptual rethink of the software would I didn't really think about the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► that they might do that it's at WWDC I kind of bet that they don't because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► think that if they're going to do that it at now that you mention it I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► think it could be a big towel as to whether they're going to rethink it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► not and I feel like if they talk about it at WWDC it probably won't involve a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:39 ◼ ► major conceptual rethink of how the watch us works and if there are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5379">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► do it i think they're going to save it for September so that they can add to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► the surprise of the event will be one of those half-measures things where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► know here are some new things you can do with wha chaps and leaving aside that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5392">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► well we're actually going to change how you get to them and how it works but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5395">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► know only tell the developers what they need to know to to get their apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► I don't know I feel like they need to evangelize with developers about watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► apps because i feel like there with that was not only did the customers sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► get let down by the apps but the developers got let down by the apps it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► was right there there if they had to change you know midstream and the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► is two apps were different rules than the original watch apps and and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► feel like yeah they want if they want active app developers on the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► they're gonna have to tell them a story of some kind of WWDC yeah and i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► that you know the truth is that they burned a little bit of trust right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► oh yeah you know the message from Apple both publicly and privately by talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► to like developer relations people was seriously you you know you should do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► this you should you know you should you need a story to get on the watch get on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► the watch and a lot of you know a lot of people listen to a lot of people did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► and I think a lot of people see it as effectively wasted effort or at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5456">TS</a>]
01:30:59 ◼ ► effort that could might have been better allocated something else not that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5459">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► completely wasted but that maybe the time would be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► spent you know making your ipad version of your app better position and not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► because of like how many people it's not how many people have apple launches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5470">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► that's not the issue the issue is people who have the Apple watches aren't using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► their watch apps because the app experience on the watch is bad right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► that brings us to the iphone SE and jaws did it on stage I guess we can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► makes talking about the actual device with with with the event I thought he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► did a good job i thought you know we haven't seen jaws on stage in awhile and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► the idea is really he's a great presenter I think so too i ran into him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► before the event I i I'm and I walked over from from building one where we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► came in over the building for with him and we were chatting because he he saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:54 ◼ ► the town hall story that we did and that was that was great and it turns out they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5514">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► had a slide about the presentation so we have people like I see it's not just us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5517">TS</a>]
01:32:02 ◼ ► um which was cool and I live no neck I for a long time because he used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5522">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► like the powerbook product manager [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► I mean he goes back a long way at apple and I he he is very good onstage and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► of those town hall event that we found he liked was the person who intro the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► event he like got up on stage and said good morning everybody welcome to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► applicant wow if you had first I i remember that when it i think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► yeah I'm it was like a march event where they were like I announced I think maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► like iOS three and i think it was the iphone software 3.0 I think that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► they call it right and it was at a time one of the times when Steve Jobs was on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► a medical leave right and it was a year after they had they launch the app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► I'm yeah yeah so he's good and it was great to see him on stage because I I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5571">TS</a>]
01:32:56 ◼ ► like him I think he's a I think he's a good guy and and I think he does a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5576">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► job on stage he's always been sort of you know he works for phil schiller so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:06 ◼ ► he doesn't get necessarily as many opportunities to shine because Phil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5586">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► could have done that demo right but but instead just did it and I thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► of pitch like I said at the beginning of the show it's you know here's a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► that everything about it is familiar in some way it's just a new combination and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► you know I thought he did a good job and somebody who's been looking forward to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► the idea of a 4-inch phone that plz plz plz still has top-of-the-line specs i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► was really happy with the announcement tons of speculation before the event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► that that it was gonna have like a underclocked a nine if it does seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► eight nine that the camera would be some sort of lesser image quality compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► the success and both of those things turned out not to be true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► yeah it's um it's funny the the it makes sense to me write the rumors that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5632">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► oh it's going to be a redesigned thing and and you know it's it's a that end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► well I mean what you said about the the idea of it being underclocked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► underclocked I was pondering that because that on one level it just makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► sense it's like well it's gonna be the cheapest phone it should be kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► lesser right and then as I was listening i thought okay i see what they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► here they're doing a lot of what they did when they did the ipad air 2 which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► is let's max it out now and we're going to just leave it there for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► because are they really going to do a new iphone SE every year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► no they're not so pack it with the the 6s stuff for the most part right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► pack that in and I would call that this year's technology but it's not this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► year's technology right it's it's last year's technology in the current current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► models but there will be new models in a few months so packed with last year's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► technology but that will give you a couple you know 23 years where you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► have to update it and then in two or three years you turn it around again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5695">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► maybe and have it look perhaps even exactly the same as it does now again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► but you you know at that point you put in the specs from the iphone 7s or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► yeah that's the the it's like I've been hoping for an iphone 4 with with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:14 ◼ ► specs for so long and now that I've got it i'm instantly worried about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5714">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► sure right because you may not be able to whatever amazing thing they announce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► you know mean it may not come to that phone for two years or three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► that's very true now so by thinking strategically is that they're definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► not going to do a 4-inch phone in September another one now dad certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► not right now I don't even think it will be once a year I don't think so either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► like and I know and that's a couple of people I've spoken to privately have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► been like who were four inch fans were you know like I think it's too much to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► ask that they were going to do an iphone 7 that comes in three sizes for 4.75 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5755">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► qualified because this it's only six months after this event right like build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► so they'll go off cycle with events but they almost never the only one I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:08 ◼ ► only example I can think of is when they they they replace the ipad 36 months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5768">TS</a>]
01:36:16 ◼ ► yeah that was like the first retina iPad is soo underpowered under don't forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5776">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► it's like the 1i OS clunker device that they've shipped and it was nice in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► ways because it was retina and retina in and of itself is I think that's why they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► did it is now threatening in and of itself is so compelling and i won my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► wife used that for several years yeah yeah but it you know was replaced just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► six months after it came out which is unusual but that was because it was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:47 ◼ ► know there were problems with the with the ipad 3 was too heavy it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5807">TS</a>]
01:36:50 ◼ ► underpowered and there's no problems with the iphone SE like that know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5810">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► and you know Apple has shown in the last few years that they're willing to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5816">TS</a>]
01:36:59 ◼ ► these products and put them on other something other than a one year cycle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5819">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► it's like how do we do more products one way we do more products as Apple is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:08 ◼ ► not update all our products every year right so so they the ipad air is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5828">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► example ipad air 2 the ipad mini how do you had a year where they didn't do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► new version of it right and then you come out with one and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► top-of-the-line like ipad air 2 blew us away with how much stuff was in it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► that's good because it was so far ahead that it had a lot of like room to fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:31 ◼ ► lot of time where it kind of decay as other products advanced and it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► still be pretty good and and that's still I mean cutting the price on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► that's still a pretty great product with a pretty good great price even now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► but that's that I feel is what the SEC stories it's the same thing it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:47 ◼ ► let's max it out now because then it's just gonna sit there for a couple years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5867">TS</a>]
01:37:51 ◼ ► yeah I kind of feel like it's it's the iphone 5c done right it yeah yeah i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5871">TS</a>]
01:37:58 ◼ ► the 5c label it was literally the old phone and with color in it and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5878">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► people felt like they were getting i think one of the reasons that didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► sell so well is that they felt like they were getting kind of last year's tak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► yeah and and it was not really a new phone it was just a new rapper and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► iphone SE is a new phone in an old rapper well and I know that there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► definitely know anything we say no you know we always speak in the Iowa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:24 ◼ ► speaking extremes because it is you say nobody wanted to buy last year's phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5904">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► or nobody wanted to buy a phone that didn't look like a premium iphone and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► plenty of people bought the iphone 5c sure there's lots and we're still using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:37 ◼ ► I even I've been on Apple's campus and a not recently but I you know when it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5917">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► fresher I saw people you know Apple employees who obviously are well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► informed about the specs i could have any phone and iphone that they want who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► chose the 5c because they wanted the color you know it definitely appeal to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:55 ◼ ► Tom but in Bernardino County loved it too i think is as friend of the show Ben [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5935">TS</a>]
01:39:01 ◼ ► Thompson nose at as pointed out i think in the aggregate though it proved to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5941">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► a mistake to make a phone that didn't look like a premium iphone that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► iphone brand is to continue it hinges upon looking like a premium device and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► therefore it needs to be made out of apples premium materials which at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:17 ◼ ► moment are you know anodized aluminum yeah it's almost like it's a psychology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5957">TS</a>]
01:39:25 ◼ ► that's fine but it still needs to look like its premium like it's expensive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5965">TS</a>]
01:39:29 ◼ ► that's that's an important part of the brand identity i guess so I my guess is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5969">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► strategically they're not going to do a new one next year maybe I i wouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► surprised if they never make a 4-inch iphone again and I know that that kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► of is a little contrary to Jazz's pitch on stage that we've you know realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► that some people prefer 4-inch fun i wouldn't be surprised if they never do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► again but it might be completely based on how well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5993">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► iphone SE cells if it does sell well enough that they're like yeah we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/5997">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► you know we should definitely keep this in the light you know something at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► I wouldn't be surprised if we don't hear you get another one for two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6005">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► yeah I i would be shocked if it wasn't on a two or three-year cycle and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:13 ◼ ► okay that's okay not every Apple product needs to get updated every year right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6013">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► because we just got we got trained that there would always be a new one and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:20 ◼ ► their bandwidth I mean like I said the idea that you've got now three different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6020">TS</a>]
01:40:25 ◼ ► current iphone models plus two of last year's that are still being made and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6025">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► sold so there's five new iPhones right you can't m3 current models you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:36 ◼ ► turn them all over every year they just they can't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6036">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► Apple I don't think between the designers and engineers and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:42 ◼ ► even apple doesn't have the bandwidth to do that and all the ipads that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6042">TS</a>]
01:40:46 ◼ ► got now and all the max they've got now so you pull some things that are less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6046">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► vital and you and you put them on a two-year cycle but nothing wrong with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6050">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► and until monday that I've you know the 4-inch iphone that they were selling was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6054">TS</a>]
01:40:59 ◼ ► from 2013 it was two-and-a-half years old so i wouldn't be surprised at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6059">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► and in fact if you follow the Apple is a company of patterns i think i wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:10 ◼ ► be surprised if maybe we get another one two and a half years from now maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6070">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► they'll do a 4-inch phone that premieres at the September event could be could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► or it'll be another thing like this where in two years will be a will be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► spring event and it'll be the best tak from the iphone 7s inside the new iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► SE right one thing they mentioned multiple times jobs mentioned at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:34 ◼ ► at least twice was that the chamfered edge is now Matt instead of polished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6094">TS</a>]
01:41:39 ◼ ► which is true it is you can if you look at it side-by-side with an iphone 5 r 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6099">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► 5 or 5s you will see the difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:49 ◼ ► I thought it was a curious thing that they mentioned multiple times though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6109">TS</a>]
01:41:52 ◼ ► well I mean it's like literally the only thing that's different about I wonder I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6112">TS</a>]
01:41:58 ◼ ► wonder whether that is a decision I would love to know if that is a decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6118">TS</a>]
01:42:03 ◼ ► made for aesthetic reasons for financial reasons because it is it is it that Jony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6123">TS</a>]
01:42:08 ◼ ► ive seen how you know if I ever get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6128">TS</a>]
01:42:10 ◼ ► hands i'm not going to Johnny I voice if i ever get a chance to revisit the 5s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6130">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► the thing the thing that bothers me about it is I really regret the shiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► chamfered edge given that the the rest of the edges are all matt is it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6137">TS</a>]
01:42:22 ◼ ► mistake or whether it's more like hey Johnny it's going to save us like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6142">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► dollars of phone not to have the chamfered edge be shiny to you care and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:31 ◼ ► have him saying man its fine and he cared he cared when the phone was new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6151">TS</a>]
01:42:35 ◼ ► and it was like no goddammit we're gonna you know we're paying fifty cents to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6155">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► it and now he does it's like sort of like he doesn't doesn't really care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:42 ◼ ► about the that's all i'd love to know whether whether it was that like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6162">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► financial decision or or is it like a revisitation of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:49 ◼ ► oh I changed my mind about the chamfered edges now I can see it either way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6169">TS</a>]
01:42:52 ◼ ► could see that maybe it was actually difficult to do the matte finish and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6172">TS</a>]
01:42:55 ◼ ► they couldn't do it before and now they have figured out a way to do it and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6175">TS</a>]
01:42:58 ◼ ► they're that's why they mentioned it twice because it's a hard thing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6178">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► but rather proud of it i don't know either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:03 ◼ ► it certainly I think it certainly makes the design of the phone more consistent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6183">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► to have it be not shiny on the on the champers because nothing else is shiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:13 ◼ ► but I don't know from from a aesthetic like a as a hardware designer what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6193">TS</a>]
01:43:20 ◼ ► somebody like Johnny I would say about that I i I'm a little baffled but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6200">TS</a>]
01:43:23 ◼ ► literally that's it for the 5s because the 5s is that has the the double flash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6203">TS</a>]
01:43:27 ◼ ► on the back so that the camera the flash everything other than the Apple itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6207">TS</a>]
01:43:32 ◼ ► and and the the printing on the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6212">TS</a>]
01:43:35 ◼ ► the only other physical characteristic that is different is that champer so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6215">TS</a>]
01:43:40 ◼ ► what I guess if we talk about it because what else we're going to say alright I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6220">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► guess I what do you what do you what are your thoughts on 4-inch funds are you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:56 ◼ ► it's I go back and forth i mean a big big screens are nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6236">TS</a>]
01:43:59 ◼ ► the thing I love about the about the 4 inch size and the the iphone 5 design is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6239">TS</a>]
01:44:04 ◼ ► its it feels great in the hand it's easier to hold the the sixes do feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6244">TS</a>]
01:44:10 ◼ ► slippery and like it like they're like a polished Rock I've never felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6250">TS</a>]
01:44:14 ◼ ► comfortable the first I always wore my or my iphone naked and I put a case on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6254">TS</a>]
01:44:20 ◼ ► the on the six and move that case to the success the Apple other case because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6260">TS</a>]
01:44:24 ◼ ► it to be creepier i felt like i was going to slip out of my hands I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6264">TS</a>]
01:44:27 ◼ ► feel that way with that with a five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6267">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► I've always I've always felt that they were they were super solid but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:34 ◼ ► the trade-off there is that yeah the screen is a lot smaller and as somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6274">TS</a>]
01:44:41 ◼ ► I you know I don't rely on my iphone as much as i used to i use it when i'm out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6281">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► and i use it like I'm walking the dog or taking a run or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► unless the podcast on it or something like that but I i used to use it all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6291">TS</a>]
01:44:55 ◼ ► time when I was riding the bus and things like that and I don't I don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6295">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► that anymore so so for me it's less of a Productivity device than it used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:03 ◼ ► and so the smaller screen probably wouldn't make much of a difference to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6303">TS</a>]
01:45:07 ◼ ► and it's and it's easier to hold so I'm kind of on the fence about it I i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6307">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► I'm also a little reluctant to embrace it because of what we said before which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:20 ◼ ► its state-of-the-art for six months and then it probably will be not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6320">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► state-of-the-art for the next 18 exactly and I'm and I'm it's like however much I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:29 ◼ ► prefer the size and I definitely prefer the size i'm not going to not have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6329">TS</a>]
01:45:34 ◼ ► top-of-the-line phone so come September when the iphone 7 comes out I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6334">TS</a>]
01:45:39 ◼ ► switch to that anyway so which is why this is a phone for people who aren't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6339">TS</a>]
01:45:44 ◼ ► desperate to always be on the cutting edge like some of us right or for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6344">TS</a>]
01:45:49 ◼ ► somebody for whom the the larger size is just a deal breaker and I've heard from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6349">TS</a>]
01:45:53 ◼ ► I know a bunch of people who have held onto those 5s is because they're like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6353">TS</a>]
01:45:57 ◼ ► don't want a bigger phone it's too big for me and and some of them i mean there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6357">TS</a>]
01:46:01 ◼ ► was a conversation on Twitter that I thought was pretty good about like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6361">TS</a>]
01:46:04 ◼ ► can't you can overstate saying well women helps with small hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6364">TS</a>]
01:46:08 ◼ ► I prefer a small phone because I know a lot of women who love huge phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6368">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► because they just put your phone in a purse and it doesn't it doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6371">TS</a>]
01:46:15 ◼ ► but I i dunno people men and women who find holding that big phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6375">TS</a>]
01:46:19 ◼ ► uncomfortable and the little phone a lot more comfortable and so for those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6379">TS</a>]
01:46:23 ◼ ► that you know I think or uncomfortable in their pocket or they have small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6383">TS</a>]
01:46:27 ◼ ► pockets and they can't fit a phone in their pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6387">TS</a>]
01:46:30 ◼ ► those are the people who are gonna we're gonna love it as well as all the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6390">TS</a>]
01:46:32 ◼ ► who want the to buy an iphone and this is going to be by far the cheapest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6392">TS</a>]
01:46:37 ◼ ► I do miss I just so much of this design that i miss i love that it stands up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6397">TS</a>]
01:46:42 ◼ ► any side you can put it sideways to watch video you can stand it up to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6402">TS</a>]
01:46:46 ◼ ► pictures a no camera bump no camera bump oh and I'll say this to it's got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6406">TS</a>]
01:46:52 ◼ ► headphone jack on it so if the future of the iphone and on it being on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6412">TS</a>]
01:46:56 ◼ ► cutting edge is losing the headphone jack maybe I'm okay with having the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6416">TS</a>]
01:46:59 ◼ ► retro phone thats that's not on the cutting edge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6419">TS</a>]
01:47:03 ◼ ► I don't know it does feel a little retro it does if I need to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6423">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► something that what the design premiered in $MONTH 2012 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:11 ◼ ► yeah talk about it being retro but it's it doesn't from earlier in the decade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6431">TS</a>]
01:47:16 ◼ ► well anyway I like it and yeah my only the only reason I wouldn't switch from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6436">TS</a>]
01:47:23 ◼ ► my 4s are at 4s Jesus the success packed and then switch to the size is only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6443">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► because I i think it's I you know 6y get used to it for six months only to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:36 ◼ ► yeah temper because you're gonna want that iphone 7 whatever it is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6456">TS</a>]
01:47:40 ◼ ► yeah well I honestly it's the camera quality and I say that knowing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6460">TS</a>]
01:47:45 ◼ ► could i get slightly better optical it you know I get the optical image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6465">TS</a>]
01:47:48 ◼ ► stabilization in the six in the plus but I'm not switching to a plus-size phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6468">TS</a>]
01:47:54 ◼ ► but what ok so what happens if there's that rumor that there's going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6474">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► super fancy camera that's only going to be on a plus model would that be enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6478">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► like a really good maybe almost like SLR quality camera on an iphone but you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:09 ◼ ► to get the big iphone would you get the big iphone fact remember that is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6489">TS</a>]
01:48:13 ◼ ► maybe I've been thinking about ever since the rumor I'm and I i don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6493">TS</a>]
01:48:17 ◼ ► what i do i I don't know it would be that would be a very hard question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6497">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► because the camera is seriously so important to me I mean I know I've said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:24 ◼ ► this before but I know it's called the iphone but if I had to pick one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6504">TS</a>]
01:48:28 ◼ ► component to break and have the option was you can have it you know for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6508">TS</a>]
01:48:32 ◼ ► rest of the week you can use this phone that doesn't make phone calls or you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6512">TS</a>]
01:48:35 ◼ ► use this one that doesn't take pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6515">TS</a>]
01:48:37 ◼ ► almost all the time I want the one that that has the broken phone but takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6517">TS</a>]
01:48:41 ◼ ► pictures and it's more of an eye camera to me than an iphone just I really i'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6521">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► agree i mean for me if it if it all i did was take pictures and play podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:51 ◼ ► probably be okay with not having it make phone calls right so I I don't know if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6531">TS</a>]
01:48:57 ◼ ► i really hope that that the idea that the dual cameras only in a plus i hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6537">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► yeah me too but I i could see i could see them doing that right i mean and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:06 ◼ ► do think that cameras is one of these like we've come so far with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6546">TS</a>]
01:49:12 ◼ ► smartphones like we're talking about earlier but camera technology is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6552">TS</a>]
01:49:15 ◼ ► that's one of the frontiers smart phones cameras and then impervious to damage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6555">TS</a>]
01:49:19 ◼ ► damage seems to me like the big areas here and I could maybe throwing glare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6559">TS</a>]
01:49:23 ◼ ► like I'm glad that they talked about Claire and the new ipad which will get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6563">TS</a>]
01:49:26 ◼ ► to because that's that's also an issue but it's not like to be faster all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6566">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► is sure yeah it's gonna have more battery life but great cameras in a in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:37 ◼ ► smartphone is a you know that's a huge area of interest for anybody who's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6577">TS</a>]
01:49:42 ◼ ► it because those are our cameras now I have all I keep making better it i wiii [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6582">TS</a>]
01:49:46 ◼ ► you talked about your love of the original iphone feel and I'd feel the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6586">TS</a>]
01:49:50 ◼ ► same way about i love the outside design but it's it's always mind-blowing to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6590">TS</a>]
01:49:55 ◼ ► I mean we're nine years into it but I still feel like it's the new thing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6595">TS</a>]
01:49:58 ◼ ► iphone but the original iphone camera was a total piece of craft terrible it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6598">TS</a>]
01:50:02 ◼ ► was just like a stock like phone camera apart from Japan they don't know i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6602">TS</a>]
01:50:08 ◼ ► i'm glad they put it in but it it was you know almost useless for it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6608">TS</a>]
01:50:14 ◼ ► was no better than the type of kid pictures you took with your dumb phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6614">TS</a>]
01:50:17 ◼ ► really it didn't even and it didn't even take video you can even shoot bad video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6617">TS</a>]
01:50:21 ◼ ► a genuine didn't do video it reminded me of like the bad camcorder early not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6621">TS</a>]
01:50:25 ◼ ► wasn't a bad camcorders in the early days of VHS but no reminded me of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6625">TS</a>]
01:50:28 ◼ ► the really bad early digital cameras where it's just you know it's tricky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6628">TS</a>]
01:50:32 ◼ ► can't do low light at all it's a miracle that it's there at all but it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6632">TS</a>]
01:50:36 ◼ ► like why not put you sure we should put a camera on it it's not any good and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6636">TS</a>]
01:50:41 ◼ ► would never want to use it unless you were desperate but at least we have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6641">TS</a>]
01:50:44 ◼ ► and it's a mile away and now we've got people you know we've got kids you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6644">TS</a>]
01:50:47 ◼ ► in in the intervening nine years we've got kids who their entire uh all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6647">TS</a>]
01:50:53 ◼ ► video that's been taken of them as little babies and growing up has all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6653">TS</a>]
01:50:57 ◼ ► been shot on iphones and it's great quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6657">TS</a>]
01:51:01 ◼ ► yeah just fork at 4k video it's just like mind-blowing for my TV my TV I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6661">TS</a>]
01:51:06 ◼ ► actually do have a 4k TV I could figure out a way to put it on there i could buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6666">TS</a>]
01:51:10 ◼ ► can watch that 4k video on there but it's just yeah it's come a long way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6670">TS</a>]
01:51:15 ◼ ► yet I take pictures with my SLR my five-year-old SLR and oh they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6675">TS</a>]
01:51:22 ◼ ► yeah right so there's there's plenty more work to be done Oh tons of room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6682">TS</a>]
01:51:29 ◼ ► yeah and and in the beauty of having these the the smartphone's having the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/6689">TS</a>]
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02:14:26 ◼ ► enough to motivate a bunch of people to to upgrade their old iPads and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8066">TS</a>]
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02:14:34 ◼ ► really interested me about it was it wasn't just a shrunk down 12-inch are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8074">TS</a>]
02:14:39 ◼ ► 12.9 inch iPad pro it actually it it gained a little in terms of the display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8079">TS</a>]
02:14:48 ◼ ► and the camera has a superior camera and a better display and it lost a little in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8088">TS</a>]
02:14:52 ◼ ► that it doesn't have the the new super fancy usb3 lightning port and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8092">TS</a>]
02:14:58 ◼ ► think there's anything else is missing and I could be wrong but I find that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8098">TS</a>]
02:15:01 ◼ ► know so it's on the plus side it's a superior I patent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8101">TS</a>]
02:15:04 ◼ ► terms of the display and having the true tone technology and the camera which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8104">TS</a>]
02:15:09 ◼ ► again like the on the iphone SE it's the success camera assembly your camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8109">TS</a>]
02:15:17 ◼ ► yeah and on the Lightning it doesn't have USB 3 so that's interesting to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8117">TS</a>]
02:15:23 ◼ ► because I I'm not even quite sure how that came about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8123">TS</a>]
02:15:27 ◼ ► it's like you would think it would have it would I can see how it's better in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8127">TS</a>]
02:15:30 ◼ ► some ways but I'm surprised it doesn't have USB 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8130">TS</a>]
02:15:32 ◼ ► yeah i was talking to christina warren about this the other day and I gave her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8132">TS</a>]
02:15:38 ◼ ► this like scenarios like if I mr. money bags and I walk into an apple store and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8138">TS</a>]
02:15:42 ◼ ► I say probably provide me your finest ipad with all of the greatest features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8142">TS</a>]
02:15:48 ◼ ► hmm they they can't because some of them around the ipad pro and some of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8148">TS</a>]
02:15:54 ◼ ► around or some of them are ansari the the big ipad pro and some of them were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8154">TS</a>]
02:15:57 ◼ ► on the small ipad pro right and it's just a weird combination of them that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8157">TS</a>]
02:16:01 ◼ ► that you know true tone you want the true tone get the small one you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8161">TS</a>]
02:16:04 ◼ ► usb3 transfer speeds get the big one that's an interesting you want a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8164">TS</a>]
02:16:12 ◼ ► all right you want the end it's got the color you want the same color gamut as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8172">TS</a>]
02:16:17 ◼ ► the modern like that the 2015 model imax read my max that's on the small one not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8177">TS</a>]
02:16:24 ◼ ► I don't know kind of you know i'm assuming it'll work itself out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8184">TS</a>]
02:16:29 ◼ ► eventually you know six cherelle or a year from now but it's an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8189">TS</a>]
02:16:34 ◼ ► state of affairs i can't help but think it probably is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8194">TS</a>]
02:16:37 ◼ ► it's probably just comes down to component pricing i'm guessing he added [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8197">TS</a>]
02:16:41 ◼ ► that they wanted to I guess right so that big ipad pro is is at you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8201">TS</a>]
02:16:46 ◼ ► starts at a much higher price and this one starts at five ninety-nine and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8206">TS</a>]
02:16:50 ◼ ► guess because the display is smaller they can afford to make it better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8210">TS</a>]
02:16:53 ◼ ► I don't know i'm just guessing that whatever complicated math goes into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8213">TS</a>]
02:16:57 ◼ ► figuring out how you know how do we make it so we can sell this at 599 with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8217">TS</a>]
02:17:01 ◼ ► margins we want that usb3 didn't make the cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8221">TS</a>]
02:17:04 ◼ ► yeah yeah it's it's a it's a if provided guess it's a weird combination of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8224">TS</a>]
02:17:11 ◼ ► price but what what features do we omit from the smaller the smaller model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8231">TS</a>]
02:17:14 ◼ ► because we just don't have the margins for it and what new innovations do we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8234">TS</a>]
02:17:18 ◼ ► that we can put in a brand-new product that wasn't available six months ago and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8238">TS</a>]
02:17:22 ◼ ► this is what you get is you get their product that some features removed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8242">TS</a>]
02:17:25 ◼ ► because you want to hold the line on margins but we came up with this true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8245">TS</a>]
02:17:30 ◼ ► tone thing and it wasn't ready for the the the big ipad pro but it's ready now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8250">TS</a>]
02:17:33 ◼ ► so let's ship it in there and get and get something new in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8253">TS</a>]
02:17:36 ◼ ► this is why I ideally you don't ship your product line in alternating cycles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8256">TS</a>]
02:17:44 ◼ ► like this right ideally you say here are all the new iPad pro so I cure all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8264">TS</a>]
02:17:47 ◼ ► new retina MacBook Pros you do it once and then you can explain while the 15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8267">TS</a>]
02:17:52 ◼ ► has some things of 13 dozen right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8272">TS</a>]
02:17:54 ◼ ► like when I i had 11 chair right in the 11th year doesn't have a card reader for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8274">TS</a>]
02:17:58 ◼ ► it just it doesn't but that's ok but if the 11 incher was out of sync with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8278">TS</a>]
02:18:02 ◼ ► 13-inch air and got the new features first but also black some old features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8282">TS</a>]
02:18:06 ◼ ► because the small one doesn't get those you'd be where we are with the ipad pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8286">TS</a>]
02:18:10 ◼ ► where they're just kind of out of step and that's a question about you know are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8290">TS</a>]
02:18:14 ◼ ► they gonna be in step now is every spring or we going to get new iPad pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8294">TS</a>]
02:18:18 ◼ ► models is that how it's gonna work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8298">TS</a>]
02:18:19 ◼ ► I don't know yeah I wonder or maybe because now it's immature like I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8299">TS</a>]
02:18:23 ◼ ► like mature like in the way that the macbook pros armature maybe they come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8303">TS</a>]
02:18:27 ◼ ► out on a ipad come out on a there were when you're ready we will release some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8307">TS</a>]
02:18:31 ◼ ► schedule you know that there is no like there's no real pattern to when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8311">TS</a>]
02:18:35 ◼ ► expect new macbooks they you know we get rumors of when they're coming out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8315">TS</a>]
02:18:40 ◼ ► people who pay attention to intel's you know chip pipeline can estimate you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8320">TS</a>]
02:18:46 ◼ ► well you know this chipset is coming out soon or this one is delayed so new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8326">TS</a>]
02:18:51 ◼ ► macbooks are probably delayed but it's there's no like it's not like with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8331">TS</a>]
02:18:54 ◼ ► iphone were you know that it's going to be like a Tuesday and sip middle of sep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8334">TS</a>]
02:18:58 ◼ ► tember right here's the fierce of fascinating fact and I cannot explain it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8338">TS</a>]
02:19:05 ◼ ► I hate camera bumps or really do i know i have I to an irrational degree really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8345">TS</a>]
02:19:12 ◼ ► hate the camera bump on the iphone 6 and success really really hate it i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8352">TS</a>]
02:19:17 ◼ ► every time I might and I might thumb just goes to it like like rubbing like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8357">TS</a>]
02:19:21 ◼ ► pimple on your on your other hand or like playing with a warrant or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8361">TS</a>]
02:19:26 ◼ ► another advantage of sticking it in a case is that I don't have that i didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8366">TS</a>]
02:19:31 ◼ ► realize i really it's the closest it that's the main reason that I almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8371">TS</a>]
02:19:35 ◼ ► carried my success in and day even spent like $MONEY a month with it in a cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8375">TS</a>]
02:19:39 ◼ ► for exactly that reason because it alleviated the bump so the ipad has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8379">TS</a>]
02:19:43 ◼ ► bump the ipad new iPad pro but when you put it on a tabletop it does not wiggle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8383">TS</a>]
02:19:50 ◼ ► I don't understand how this is possible i don't i know and Matthew panza Reno [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8390">TS</a>]
02:19:55 ◼ ► tweeted about it and people saying that he's full of shit and you know saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8395">TS</a>]
02:19:59 ◼ ► you're lying I'd that's impossible and he like shot a video and it's like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8399">TS</a>]
02:20:03 ◼ ► lay it on a flat table and it doesn't wobble I don't I i guess it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8403">TS</a>]
02:20:07 ◼ ► I don't understand I'm sure it has something to do with the curvature of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8407">TS</a>]
02:20:10 ◼ ► I my guess is that there's something you know you've got it so much larger item [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8410">TS</a>]
02:20:16 ◼ ► then write the this much larger surface in the iphone so it probably has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8416">TS</a>]
02:20:20 ◼ ► something to do with the angle of the lift of it being reduced by that amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8420">TS</a>]
02:20:24 ◼ ► of distance right so that it's it's um it's imperceptible compared to something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8424">TS</a>]
02:20:30 ◼ ► that's very because if you had something that was really small and there was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8430">TS</a>]
02:20:33 ◼ ► a bump on one side and maybe might the the the angle would be greater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8433">TS</a>]
02:20:38 ◼ ► maybe my dining room table it isn't perfectly flat I don't know it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8438">TS</a>]
02:20:42 ◼ ► its it but and so somebody out there right now to return the earth i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8442">TS</a>]
02:20:46 ◼ ► telling you somebody out of their physics man it might wobble on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8446">TS</a>]
02:20:49 ◼ ► somebody's table and I'd be interested to hear from anybody if if they get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8449">TS</a>]
02:20:52 ◼ ► and it does wobble but I if you're concerned about the camera bump is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8452">TS</a>]
02:20:55 ◼ ► when you lay it flat on the table it's gonna wobble I'm telling you it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8455">TS</a>]
02:20:58 ◼ ► so it's got that going for it but that's good because that would be a disaster if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8458">TS</a>]
02:21:03 ◼ ► that was the case like hey it's got the Apple pencil you can draw on and now lay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8463">TS</a>]
02:21:06 ◼ ► it on a table and nope that would be awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8466">TS</a>]
02:21:10 ◼ ► otherwise I don't you know I don't know what to do what else to say about it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8470">TS</a>]
02:21:16 ◼ ► know the ipad pro it's got the pencil so it's so when when uh when they announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8476">TS</a>]
02:21:21 ◼ ► the true tone feature somebody in the audience went huh and phil schiller went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8481">TS</a>]
02:21:27 ◼ ► on somebody knows what I'm talking that was me and afterward you said it was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8487">TS</a>]
02:21:30 ◼ ► i swear to god that was everybody not surprised I'm so not surprised i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8490">TS</a>]
02:21:34 ◼ ► think that's quite the noise i made but I did I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8494">TS</a>]
02:21:38 ◼ ► probably reacted I audibly reacted because to me it's like the next step up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8498">TS</a>]
02:21:43 ◼ ► from retina like and I wanted to read the screens you know my entire life so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8503">TS</a>]
02:21:48 ◼ ► can no longer see the pixels because clearly that's the way it should be but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8508">TS</a>]
02:21:51 ◼ ► to do i adjust for color temperature is the next you know it something I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8511">TS</a>]
02:21:57 ◼ ► thought of for as long as I've been using computers because I've noticed but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8517">TS</a>]
02:22:00 ◼ ► boy at nighttime when you have incandescent lights on boy the white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8520">TS</a>]
02:22:05 ◼ ► doesn't look like white anyway it looks to wait or something you know that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8525">TS</a>]
02:22:10 ◼ ► not like paper right well it's not it's not white balancing like you know our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8530">TS</a>]
02:22:15 ◼ ► eyes white balance two men match the temperature of the light but the the . [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8535">TS</a>]
02:22:20 ◼ ► the device doesn't know right it's just one set to whatever color temperature is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8540">TS</a>]
02:22:26 ◼ ► right it's a good it's a great idea i want to see it in practice right i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8546">TS</a>]
02:22:30 ◼ ► to go through that and see whether this is something that I really you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8550">TS</a>]
02:22:33 ◼ ► really noticed or not but I like I really like the idea of it and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8553">TS</a>]
02:22:37 ◼ ► Craig Hockenberry was saying this is there's a lot of color management [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8557">TS</a>]
02:22:40 ◼ ► business that's happening on on your iPad these days and and for any of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8560">TS</a>]
02:22:45 ◼ ► from the old sort of desktop publishing days the idea that you've got really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8565">TS</a>]
02:22:51 ◼ ► interesting things happening with color on these devices is a really great i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8571">TS</a>]
02:22:56 ◼ ► talking to want to talk to Glen fleischmann i was on the macro podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8576">TS</a>]
02:23:00 ◼ ► 500 and we were talking about this and and he mentioned that this is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8580">TS</a>]
02:23:04 ◼ ► those moments where you kind of wish that Bruce Fraser was still around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8584">TS</a>]
02:23:07 ◼ ► because he would love he would love this he was a he he passed away a few years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8587">TS</a>]
02:23:10 ◼ ► ago but he was a color management like God basically I learned so much from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8590">TS</a>]
02:23:16 ◼ ► that guy about how can human the brain perceives color and all of this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8596">TS</a>]
02:23:20 ◼ ► and it's really interesting to see Apple go down this path where it's like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8600">TS</a>]
02:23:24 ◼ ► know we all just took for granted that the white point of your display was what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8604">TS</a>]
02:23:29 ◼ ► remember when you used to have to calibrate it manually oh yeah like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8609">TS</a>]
02:23:32 ◼ ► have cross your eyes and adjust this thing that'll you get the rack amma yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8612">TS</a>]
02:23:36 ◼ ► oh yeah I'm and then they make like things with suction cups that you stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8616">TS</a>]
02:23:41 ◼ ► on my screen and then it would put something on it and it would read what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8621">TS</a>]
02:23:44 ◼ ► the light was off of it and we know how to calibrate the display so that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8624">TS</a>]
02:23:47 ◼ ► would get an app that the color that would be the same as the color that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8627">TS</a>]
02:23:50 ◼ ► would print and the same as the color that would come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8630">TS</a>]
02:23:52 ◼ ► out on the offset press when you print your catalog all of that you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8632">TS</a>]
02:23:57 ◼ ► so much goes into that and and it's a little bit like there's like memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8637">TS</a>]
02:24:01 ◼ ► color this idea that that you it's almost like an optical illusion is your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8641">TS</a>]
02:24:05 ◼ ► brain your brain knows what colors things are so it will actually adjust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8645">TS</a>]
02:24:08 ◼ ► what you see to be the color that it isn't like if you see an apple and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8648">TS</a>]
02:24:13 ◼ ► red but it's the wrong read your brain like Rex it onto it and makes it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8653">TS</a>]
02:24:17 ◼ ► right red and that's not what you're seeing but it's what you think you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8657">TS</a>]
02:24:20 ◼ ► seeing so there's so much in here and so for Apple to like dip their toe in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8660">TS</a>]
02:24:24 ◼ ► be like yeah we're gonna we're gonna work on color now or this is the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8664">TS</a>]
02:24:28 ◼ ► frontier for us is a it's really interesting beyond just the the true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8668">TS</a>]
02:24:33 ◼ ► yeah it's I haven't spent I i have the ipad pro never have a review unit of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8673">TS</a>]
02:24:39 ◼ ► I haven't spent so far haven't I spent most of my time with the iphone not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8679">TS</a>]
02:24:43 ◼ ► ipad so i've i've tinkered with it but not a diamond we spent that much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8683">TS</a>]
02:24:48 ◼ ► time with the really looking at the at the nights are not a chip that the true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8688">TS</a>]
02:24:54 ◼ ► the event really it but it's it is nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8694">TS</a>]
02:24:58 ◼ ► it definitely it is in its not a gimmick it's in a I totally believe shoulder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8698">TS</a>]
02:25:02 ◼ ► that once you get used to it you wanted on all your devices i think it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8702">TS</a>]
02:25:06 ◼ ► to have a better effect than the than the nite chef thing I think then I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8706">TS</a>]
02:25:12 ◼ ► I mean if there's people out there listen who really do feel like they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8712">TS</a>]
02:25:15 ◼ ► a better night's sleep but then good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/8715">TS</a>]
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02:38:46 ◼ ► Sunset Strip where he had sort of like a glancing blow at this at this uh at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/9526">TS</a>]
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02:40:21 ◼ ► Sanders Show is like in the hall of fame and and you could make the argument for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/9621">TS</a>]
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02:41:33 ◼ ► right now in comedy that he really was you know they could come to him with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/9693">TS</a>]
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02:41:52 ◼ ► him and thought he was a good guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/9712">TS</a>]
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02:42:29 ◼ ► like it's not on HBO they're actually bringing it back to the HBO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwBDKmM/9749">TS</a>]
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