151: ‘Option P’, With Special Guest Serenity Caldwell
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you sound wonderful given the microphone now I gotta know I actually you know I
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probably have the blackjack since the last time we talked I got a two-by-two
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yeah exactly i have it's nice i like it and i've only had occasional occurrences
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where it turns me into a Dalek but otherwise it's fine
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my thing is that i took i got the thing set up where is by apparently sound ok
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and then I took a picture of all these crazy dials if I ever lose that picture
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of screwed
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just like I need to commit this to memory make Jonas memorize it they have
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no idea what any of this stuff means it's so interesting confusing to me
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especially that all the extra buttons the in-and-out it's like oh yeah there's
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there too many especially if you only have one mic setup and you're not using
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the input monitor and it's just going into your computer there's there's a lot
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more than you actually need their yeah i think that as I get older I'm really
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rocketing towards demanding next extreme simplicity and everything to use but
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it's like the bike i do enough podcast where it's really is worth it for me to
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sound as good as I possibly can and so i gave up on my beloved just plug it into
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a USB microphone
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yeah which I loved in theory but everybody agrees there since I switched
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to this I sound better so yeah the the mixers mixers make everything sangre
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although i did find a lightning USB mic that's not terrible that i've been using
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recently on the road so that's my that's my good backup for now
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so what do you write alright let's this is considered as part of the show so
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like lightning
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what would what does that mean you mean like podcasting from like an iPad um
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yeah I broadcasting from an ipad is still a pain in the ass but being able
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to record your audio on the go is really helpful
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previous to that I had like a little tiny laughs Mike that you plug into the
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headphones of your iPhone Jack and it was you know it was better than talking
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on your iPhone but not by much
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and I accidentally drowned my macbook air so my ipad is the only portable
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computer i have right now which is kind of terrifying anyway which one did you
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i drowned my medicare no my poor 11-inch macbook air was sitting next to my
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macbook pro are at my
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my my ipad bro and yeah bad things happened I guess I do have a 15-inch
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macbook pro that's like six years old at this point but i haven't booted on in
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like two years
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oh man so what you gonna do this is like a bad time to replace the macbook yeah
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exactly so I'm like well I've got the ipad pro and i was making all this hey
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about yeah I do most of my work on it which is true i do do a lot of like my
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portable work on the ipad now but i was still like oh god now i have no safety
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more on that later yes but looks like we'll talk about that later but yet but
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I but I'm but podcasting like so I tried the usher for a while and that that
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thing is a beautiful mike that is absolutely horrible because it requires
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a very it requires a specific app and it just it will work if you just plug it
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into the ipad you have to open like the sharrap or GarageBand and anything else
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just like nope I don't recognize you as a microphone sorry you don't get to work
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which is infuriating so I got what's it called
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now I have to find it i picked up the the apogee not the not the apogee one
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the one of its one of the little ones that's like 200 bucks from the apple
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store on a whim and i love it it's so good it works for everything so I I this
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is like one of those things where I don't know maybe I'm just an idiot but
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it's whenever I read about people trying to podcast from an ipad I I get very
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confused and so I get in some ways it i guess simpler than podcasting from a mac
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and that you know all the multitasking involved in the different apps and
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everything i have installed to do this in some ways is more complicated but
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because the mac can do so many things at the same time and you don't have to
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worry about which app is frontmost or whatever and you can run things you know
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dirty little hacks like call recorder for skype to me it just makes sense it's
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like just totally makes sense and when I in and supposedly I i still didn't go
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back and watch the video but i heard that in the event last month when when
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Phil shoulder said now you can podcast you know this is great for podcasters
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that they they cut to me in the audience
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oh yeah they can be cut to the whole section of just right
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everybody being like what yeah right yeah I don't know if that app that if
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the accessory really makes it easier for podcasters if you have it makes it
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easier to run your powered microphones sure but it doesn't actually fix the
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core podcasting problem on iOS which was what you were just talking about the
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fact that like there is really no support for core audio and for
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background app like multi multi threading audio throughout apps so like
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if you're going to record you're gonna do a podcast on an iPad you're doing it
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locally it's not a huge deal with especially with that power adapter
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because then you can basically just plug your mixer into the power adapter if
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it's a USB mixer and then you've got you've got mics up but if you're trying
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to do a remote show like if we were trying to do this show right now on the
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ipad right what I would have to do is I'd have to have my iPad open with
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either with skype or with voice memos or whatever recording thing and then my
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iphone whatever device I wasn't using to run skype ID have to plug my apogee Mike
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into and run voice memos from there so it's basically like you have to use two
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devices and of course your natural skype call is going to shout sound like shit
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because you're not actually recording through the good or you're not actually
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talking through the good mic right you got on a Mac you need two apps so like
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for example we use I use almost all the ninety percent of the time i use skype
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for the connection and then and then I use a app called call recorder which
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sort of runs at extension within skype but you could use just about anything is
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on any app that we can record audio you can I mean lots of people just use
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quicktime you can just open a quicktime player app and say new audio recording
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pick the same microphone is the input and so like what you hear you know like
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I I it's a little inside baseball but for anybody out there like to me you
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sounds good to me right now as I'm talking to you as you would if I were
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just listening to the show after it's being done editing because I hear you
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through the same microphone that you're recording whereas so it's two apps 12
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record one to do the connection and
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but if you do haha XD have to use to device
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yeah which is just ridiculously my feelings
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Amy it's doable like I didn't last last fall when I was on vacation when the
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ipad pro first came out I did a podcast with with my curly and Jason Snelling I
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was a guest on upgrade and so I did that way because I literally i only had my
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ipad my iphone and ipad Mike so there was no other way like I couldn't just be
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like I want i'm gonna try and use a computer because there was no computer
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available to me so it's doable if you're in that pinch but it's definitely not
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what I would call a first-rate solution it's a podcasting is not what you go to
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ios4 right so what is your Apple to your apple TV remote lost you're not lost him
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it is not lost at the moment thank goodness it is it is sitting on my desk
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right now next in in its to do need stand you
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I think was it just today that this came out yes oh yeah yeah it's not the
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headline is this is serenity article that I more it says wish list someday I
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would like to stop losing my Syria remote yes I this came about because i
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saw Susie oak suite of macworld story why I can't remember who wrote it i
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think it was Jerry define who wrote a story basically being like I've stuck a
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tile to the back of my cereal remote and now i can find it and simultaneously I'm
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like that's really smart and oh god is this what we've really come to like is
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is the only way that I'm going to be able to find my serial remote to be able
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to stick at a device that's pretty much half the size of the sea remote to the
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back of the Syrian remote and do it every year because the tiles only lasts
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for months
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yeah the tiles being the was it is a kickstarter project yeah yeah they're
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little bluetooth trackers that connects to your iphone so that and then because
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they're the bushes and then they have a tiny speaker embedded so it works
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similarly to let to the find iphone button on the
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the apple watch where you just you press the button and then your your wallet or
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your keys or whatever ring i have tiles for my wallet my keys and they're very
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useful but i don't i wouldn't put it on the the the woman was so thin it just
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looks it looks like i'm just stuck a battery pack on my remote for what for
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for the purposes of the teensiest little speaker in the world i love it's one of
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my favorite apple watch features is the ability to pin your iphone I don't lose
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my iphone very often or I don't misplace it or forget where it goes but when you
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do it'll drive you crazy and beyond my gosh yeah and being able to ping it from
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the watch is so much better it's so much more convenient than logging in to find
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my iphone to play the sounds so much more convenient
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yeah it's a great feature and it just sort of makes sense in the look it's all
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in the same house or same you know if you assume it's all in the same house
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and everything is already hooked up to the same network or whatever one of
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these things should be able to find the other and they can both make noise and
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they both are you know loosely connected at all times so it makes sense that
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you'd be able to do that so I feel like there's got to be a solution like this
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for the remote you should be able to like say like hey apple TV where's the
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goddamn remote and then it will be the remote
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seriously I mean I so I kind of I said this in my article but I kind of
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understand why it wasn't a feature at launch because they I mean they were
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rushing to get this thing out the door and the the remote app for the iphone
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wasn't even ready so there was you know if the remote app for the iphone wasn't
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gonna be ready there was physically no button for them to be able to press to
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be like find iphone and because the because the series speaker the Syria
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microphone is built into the remote not into the apple TV you can't just like
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shout to the heavens like you might to an Amazon echo being like where's my
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remote all that would be a cool feature apple just saying but what I'm kind of
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hoping for is like the Syrian remote just connects to the apple TV via
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bluetooth and theoretically Apple could design a next-generation remote without
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having to make us buy an entirely new Apple TV like they could just sign it
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and say this works with this Apple TV and then just insert tiny little speaker
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that already works via bluetooth so it already has the connection inherent you
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know to to send a ping to the remote to say yo
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make a sound wherever you are I just don't I don't think there's a speaker in
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the remote right now there's only am i don't think so either
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is that it's never used for anything so it if there is it so hidden that I fix
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it couldn't even find it but I'd and again I always file this under look I
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know it's a lot easier for us on the outside to tell apple just put another
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two-dollar component into this device in that device and it's very easy to say
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you know did too quickly dissipate apple's press charges but i really do
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think that for the price that apple charges for apples for the apple TV and
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for the what the extra aren't the extra modes like 60 bucks together and what
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this remote I think it's $79 yes oh look it's the $79 remote you can put I'm
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sorry Tim could put it you can put a speaker in there that doesn't have to be
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high fidelity just last week it just needs to be loud enough to be heard
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through sofa cushions
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oh yeah all i need is a is a nice high-pitched like submarine like beep
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like it doesn't even have to be pleasant to the ears
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I just need to be able to find it right and yeah and they could sell that's the
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thing is like Apple tomorrow could come out with apple TV remote now a speaker
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and theoretically you could just buy it and pair it to your apple TV like that's
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what I want them to do
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I'm like yes don't don't worry about releasing it with your next generation
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apple tv2 take time to like a grade that hardware but just to put a speaker and
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somehow an asymmetric button arrangement so that you can if you can figure out
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which way is up
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you know i do you have the remote strap because that's what I eventually and I
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don't like the strap because it's always flapping around what i did i had to
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compete the gaffer's tape and wrapped around the bottom OC with the texture
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yeah and it goes on the side the texture because it's a piece of tape that wraps
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around all the way around so I can feel it from the sides and it's a lot easier
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yeah and it doesn't completely degrade the look of it because black Africa
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chapel right ones and yeah I like that that's smart
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um yeah but I still feel like it ridiculous that i've i've got to
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jury-rig design solution to an eighty dollar remote control
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well yeah exactly the worst part is i'm picking i just picked up my remote and
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my remotes upside down right now this is the remote that doesn't have the strap
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on it and with the like all of the icons are so minimalist that even holding it
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upside down the only way that you know that you're holding it upside down is
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that menu the only the only word on the other things upside-down and even when
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you're first looking at it the you and menu kind of looks like an end and then
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the end is still right side up so you read like two letters in before your
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like before your brain registers oh this isn't word maybe I should flip this
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I don't know it's painful i find that the the longer we go with this remote
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the more I the more worrisome i consider it as an exhibit in the case against the
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slight decline of overall design quality coming out of Apple these days you know
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it's a long title for the lost but i do feel that it's a pretty good example
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because it's great technology and I love music idea and i really love uh I it is
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time goes on I really really like the the interface that as you use the
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trackpad and that the way that the pic at the name of it and stunts uikit but
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whatever they call it that yeah they're on the appletv right but the ways things
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pop up as theirs to indicate what selected I find it so intuitive really
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like it I like it so much as time goes on that the talk to it thing I know
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other devices you know have this now too but like mice Jones is going through a
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friend's bender he's obsessed he's 12 years old obsessed with the show friends
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on netflix and it's so awesome because he's got it time now he knows exactly
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when the theme song kicks in
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exactly how many seconds to jump and so you can send 45-6 skip ahead 30 it's 35
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seconds he's got like a and there's like a certain point in the song like to make
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a line or two in where he does it and it in it finishes exactly with like that
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the final strum of the theme song my drive and he's always like he likes to
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nail it so that he doesn't miss a single thing the great feature 35 seconds
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so in other words at 30 seconds get wouldn't be quite right you get five
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extra seconds of the song
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you wouldn't want but i still think that the there's so many little details of it
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it's such a small thing to complain about the Serie remote that comes with
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should be famous for getting right yeah well it's the small stuff and I mean
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there's been plenty of talk about how despite the fact that this you know box
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natural evolution of the apple TV room
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the remote from the third generation Apple TV but also looking at like
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looking at the apple TV and looking what it what how we work with it and how it
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didn't need to make it be a stick like it it doesn't have to look like the 3rd
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it would have been okay if it was leave like a little bit fatter or a little bit
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wider or even a different shape right because it's just you know what I'd I
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don't need a remote that looks like a nano I need a remote that works and it's
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optional practically speaking there there's a cut you no definite conflict
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between the perceived aesthetic about advantage of being symmetric and the
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complete Haley undeniable usability advantage of being a symmetric whether
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that's it like making it a wedge-shaped sort of you know in profile like a
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macbook air or making it a wedge shaped like a star destroyer where it's more of
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a triangle I mean there's all sorts of ways that you could make it asymmetric
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remote i actually find tivo remotes to be very pleasant to hold the peanut
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shape but he act that the peanut is symmetric actually too has the same
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problem in my opinion that I feel like that tivo remote would be better if it
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was only
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you know like slightly asymmetrical yeah he said you know like a weekend like
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when you're eatin peanuts and you get like a weird one more like that you know
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the mistake of the bottom is a little bit over eyes yeah yeah I'm holding the
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apple TV or the sea remote in my hand right now and I'm thinking back to the
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lake the jeff daniels commercial about the 4-inch iphone and like moving your
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your thumb from one end of the corner to the other and there's just not enough
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like I have relatively small hands and even with relatively small hands and
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long fingers
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there's not enough bottom of the sea remote to grip in order to be able to
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comfortably place your thumb so that you hit the like minus end of the volume
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button and the play/pause and also access comfortably the trackpad your
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kind of like that you're gripping it with like a finger and a half in order
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to be able to reach down that far and then also reach up like the actual the
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usable area between the buttons at the top of the trackpad is totally thumb
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reachable
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but but you can't you just can't hold it comfortably and if you're going to hold
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it comfortably which is like moving it up in your hand so that all four fingers
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are arc reaching and like the bottom left corner of the Apple tea or the sea
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remote is like comfortably in your hand then you really have to like go into
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your hand with your phone to actually reach the bottom buttons so from my aunt
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just from a comfortability standpoint and a this is how I'm holding a remote
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it's just it's awkward it's offered on your thumb
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I would be remiss if I did not mention i know it it'll keep some email from
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coming because I've gotten tons of it from from readers pointing out asking if
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I noticed and yes i did that in the new version of the appletv OS i think its
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version 2.2 to ya that they've changed the behavior of the remote trackpad so
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that's thank god you're right . and the change is that the trackpad in terms of
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being receptive to like fast-forwarding or or skipping ahead only is sensitive
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to that once you've clicked it to pause yes so if you're playing video and you
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pick up the remote and you pick it up upside down or the way you pick it up
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your finger touches the trackpad nothing happens until you click whereas until
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version 2.2 it was immediately live
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which I can see it and to me it's just like it just reeks of being designed in
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an office with the lights on and you're looking at it and you can see it as
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opposed to being actually like play tested in a real living room at night
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with you know what you can't see the remote or you're not paying you have
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that yet you have the lights offer you have your heel lights on until the movie
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mode or whatever and you can't see the remote but moreover the biggest problem
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to me when I first got the apple TV remote is I'm I'm the type of person
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where like we have a look of a deep couch so I will usually curl up on the
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couch to watch something and then the remote will either go on the arm or will
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go on the cushion next to me which also that's probably why I'm losing all of
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these from host but what in 91 the original you know version of the apple
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TV software i would move and even touching the the trackpad area with like
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my leg or my clothing would instantly start the scrub right and they're there
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is a but i think it's the play/pause button will your like will take you out
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of the scrub motion but for the life of me I could never remember which button
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that was I went before I kind of learned the interface and it's just like you're
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in the scrub and now you're in panic right because you're like oh god I've
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accidentally scrub 45 minutes ahead and I don't remember where i am and i can't
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touch the trackpad right and I don't know what you're watching with anybody
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else you immediately get the hay
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yeah everybody's you do I'm sorry yet so that that improvement 292 like there are
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a lot of really really good improvements and then in the 9.2 software updates
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apple TV but that was probably that was the one where I I you know got up out of
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my chair and like raise my hands and like thanks and gratitude because it's
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like I would trigger it pretty much every time i watch television and now
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yes it's a little bit you know it's more involved and I under like I get the
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thinking behind it right I the development process where they say oh
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yeah well no we want you to just be able to swipe across it because otherwise the
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feature isn't discoverable or it's not easy enough and too many clicks and I
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get the institutional thinking behind that but in usability you know I don't
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mind making me that the extra
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click to scrub and in fact it's much better it's why you have to try stuff
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you can't just think it sounds like a great idea i was totally worth trying
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this and should not have shipped no usability it but it totally sounds like
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a good idea
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you don't make me wait don't make me wait for a click to start scrubbing well
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exactly make it easy except for the fact that you're trackpads don't recognize
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the difference between a leg and a finger or picking it up upside down
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yeah the ipad pro this is really what I want to talk about is the new 9.7 inch
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iPad pro which i've been using since the event and I still haven't written about
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because I'm finding it really hard to not hard but it I i detect on twitter
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that this is in some ways to me looking at it objectively the 9.7 inch iPad pro
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is maybe the most purest modern like it it symbolizes everything that Apple is
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doing today overall and it to me it's like right in the middle it's not small
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like an iphone it's not big like a Mac it's running their most popular OS iOS 9
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it's a form factor that has evolved the least of anything from where it started
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right like the 9.7 inch displays exactly what the original iPad had all they've
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done is make it thinner flattered and lighter over the years and then starting
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with the ipad air's they got rid of the bezels on the side very very to me it's
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very very similar in so many ways to the original iPad just been very much and
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yet to me it's the one device that I see on twitter and i can see in my email
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from readers that makes some people the angriest and I it's like to me it's like
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the most innocent and like it non I it shouldn't be controversial least
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controversial at computing device that Apple makes the entire lineup and yet it
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seems to be the one that has makes people the angriest how dare you
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insinuate that an ipad might ever replace my beautiful wonderful mcintosh
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how dare you that's that's the just right yeah just of it is is outraged at
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the claim that that you can get you could do your work on it and or that
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anyone could do their work on it and that it therefore doesn't deserve to be
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called Pro even though just putting the word pro in the name seems to me while
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some people up
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and I don't get it and I I did and I come at this from the perspective of
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somebody who even just earlier on the show talking to you about the podcast me
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personally I i won't say couldn't because couldn't is too strong a word
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but I don't like working from an ipad of any sort compared to working on a Mac
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you don't prefer it
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I do not prefer and I often i feel hamstrung i feel like i'm i'm doing my
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work with chopsticks instead of with my fingers right yeah I was right there
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with you until last November and that's and I feel like that's totally fine i
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don't I folks who have been using the mac for years and years and years who
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have extensive work flows on the mac and are comfortable with their mcintosh like
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I I completely understand why the initial impression to the ipad is a
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little bit of abject horror and and even like a I'm making like the cartoon like
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all evil like hands cross frightened face about about the ipad but it's not
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it's not here to take away your Mac like I really I really feel like maybe it's
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just a bumper sticker that comes with the ipad is like this this isn't
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intended to destroy the imac or even really to destroy the laptop is a
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different type of computer I don't got really don't get the anger and I say
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that like i said as somebody who personally does not really strongly does
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not prefer to use it for what i would consider my work I . that's me
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personally I don't but I'd completely don't deny that other people would see
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advantages to it and I don't understand the anger at it and I you know and i
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guess and i think it maybe even plays into like what we were saying earlier
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when we saying it would bring your poor 11-inch macbook air got drowned that
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it's not a good time to buy mac and so they like it i love that the macrumors
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buying guide
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now which is a great service whenever anybody asks me for advice and should I
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get a new mac now I don't even listen to rumors i just say just go look at the
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macrumors buying guide and they don't even really go by rumors that they list
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him i guess but for the most part it's just how many days has it been since the
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last time Apple revved this device and what's the average in history for this
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device in terms of how long does Apple go and if if it's green it means hey
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this is a fairly new product definitely you should feel free to buy it now
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because it's probably early in the product cycle and then they have like a
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yellow like and mid-range and then red means look this is overdue
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historically this is overdue for a revision well right now just about the
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entire Mac lineup is in the red everything except the imax yeah
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everything except that
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dymax that have these the the new bike you know
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hi gamut displays mhm and i just think that's historical circumstances I just
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think that's just the way it worked out with apples focus in with apple and
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Intel's roadmap and and etc and I think once you know we'll see revisions to an
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awful lot of stuff either BTW before WWDC are at WTC in june but I kind of
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feel like in and some kind of emotional way it's it contributes to the anger
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that people are worried that people who are worried that that this means that
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they're going to either make the mac go away or just just not pay attention to
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the entire Mac lineup that it's proof of it or make it different because it you
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really think about it with the exception of the 4k and the 5k imac the last real
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new mac we saw was the 12-inch MacBook which also made a lot of people mad but
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differently right well but sort of different and similar reasons yeah
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because in terms of only having a headphone jack and one USB sea port and
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literally not even a separate one for power that is the only two things yeah
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plug-in it is sort of the iOS ification of mac hardware like I I think either
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way i wrote last year was that a lot of people have been worried for a long time
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that mac OS
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is software is going to get iOS ified too far and take away what we love about
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the mac operating system and what we've seen actually with the macbook is it's
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really the hardware that's gotten more like iOS than the software where you
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know you didn't know battery to take out anymore
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I mean that I don't at this point it almost feels silly that we used to be
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able to take out our macbook batteries
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oh yeah I mean and you honestly even look at other folks who have like
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smartphones where you can take out the battery and you're like what the thing I
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yeah I ram soldered onto the motherboard yeah god forbid you were able to replace
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your own ram I mean it was great wasn't you know what they are trade-offs but
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it's definitely did I don't see how anybody could deny that that the mac
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hardware has gotten very of large injection of the design sensibility of
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never done this before you used to be able to take her with all your hardware
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in bits and pieces but yeah the new the new macbook it's funny because i did
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take this because i want to draw and i'm mostly on vacation so I don't have to
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to like model through it right and what I ended up discovering was in those two
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audio and the more i use the pro and the more i use workflow which federico
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way to do all the like write the same sentence five times in a row they felt
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like that it felt it felt like oh I I kind of understand how an ipad supposed
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work device how I how I can use it as a professional work device and once i got
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into that mindset it became a lot easier when I came back and I did have the
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macbook air accessible and I did have my desktop I was like okay I can do all of
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this on my iPad and it has the 10-hour battery and I have cellular so I never
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upload something and I don't have to deal with the the hassle of sending a
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personal hotspot it just it became much more comfortable but it was a you know
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it was a 2-3 week process it was it was very much a like and a dive in headfirst
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impossible with a mac and in the end it was how many things can i do comfortably
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without the you know like you were saying at the beginning without the
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hassle without the feeling that you're basically trying to you know fit an
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elephant into a compact into a compact car her um I always I always like the
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analogy of feeling like you're going uphill on a bike versus down
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yeah that when you're in the flow and you have a computer that set up the way
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you you know whatever whatever operating system but if you feel like you're on a
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bicycle that's going downhill
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that's when you're getting you feel like you're feel great yeah you feel like as
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productive as your mind you're only limited by your own brain is that you're
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going uphill it when it feels like you're going uphill it just feels like
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this sucks my the system is slowing me down like I'm you know fully caffeinated
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a midday I feel great about you know I feel like I've got good ideas that I'm
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writing or whatever i'm doing but if you feel like you're frustrated by the tools
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it it just ended somehow brings you down to say going uphill because you feel
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like I could be doing
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I could be doing better it's like when you're really sick and you have all of
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the great ideas in the world but because your body is letting you down
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you can't execute any of them and you're like what i want to do this please
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yeah and there and they're still definitely some tasks where I feel that
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way with the ipad but I but after spending some time forcing myself to use
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it and getting over the initial hump it feels a lot better three touch actually
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was something i just wrote an article over the weekend about that we're like
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you were complaining a little bit about 3d touch and jason l was complaining a
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lot about 3d touch and I'm like I totally get where you guys are coming
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from because there's a lot about 30 touch that's unfinished and a lot of it
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that just doesn't click properly
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but there were some features you know I forced myself for instance to use like
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the left side deep press to get into multitasking and i'm using the keyboard
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as like a cursor so that you can move it rather than using the old style and
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those two short cuts alone made three touch i think i called it was like three
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touches an itch I can't live without because with those two features my
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iphone productivity is so much faster than it was pre-op phone success and
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like even with all the problems with 3d touch that's like those two things are
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like know all of the devices have to have 3d touch and God forbid what if the
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home button disappears maybe three touches are like initial way into that
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getting us comfortable with that but you have to use it right you have to force
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yourself to use the left side multitask a shortcut because where we've been
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trained for what six seven eight years now to to press that double press the
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home button since iOS four to bring up the multitasking shortcut and if you
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don't give it a like if you don't force yourself you're not going to get out of
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your old habits and you're not gonna be able to see if the new habits are
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potentially faster or potentially slower
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yeah i think it highlights the it's just an inherent problem in designing systems
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in the it systems meaning like that the basic UI of a computer
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yeah touch screens on the mac to me as a perfect example we still don't have them
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and I still I don't think we ever will I just because it just doesn't work to
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have an interface where the elements are so close to each other to be so tiny
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white in and they should be because the mouse is a very fine instrument or
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trackpad or you know third whatever you're using for input on Mac it's so
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fine I kind of feel like 3d touch though is that way to iOS where if we had 3d
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touch right from the start in $MONTH 2007 I feel it would be integrated with
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the system in a way that kind of can't be now because they can't just make
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things that are essential for it because only the iphone success and success plus
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have it even a new ipads don't have it so every other iOS device needs to be
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there needs to be a way to do the 3d touch stuff without it
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yeah and I for that I look to live photos is a good example of something
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where this is this is something that is exclusive to the success the 6s plus the
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small ipad pro and the iphone SE and only two of those four devices have 3d
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touch so they just said and also they have of course my photos on the apple TV
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and my photos support on the eye on the mac to to look at it now like okay well
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how do we still show the like shift from still photo to live photos and on the on
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the ipad on the iphone sexy it's just a long press and I'm I mean I think you
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mentioned that in your in your sort of overview of Jason's article where it's
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like it makes a lot of sense to tie 3d touch too long press gestures be
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especially because if you've ever used a 3d touch device and I think about it
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from the home screen primarily is trying to actually trigger the difference
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between a long press in a 3d to in a light 3d touch is almost impossible huh
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you try and edit your home screen and it's just like nope you're going to
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preview app icon
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nope you didn't do it that we couldn't do it right either so I don't under I
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don't understand why they didn't just jump into the idea of let's just design
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iOS 9 so that a long press equals 3d touch ok one of the other minor
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annoyances and I have a 3d touch and I i love the idea of long of hard pressing
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the apps on that home screen getting shortcuts and so yeah there's some great
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apples done some great stuff with that and I know that a lot of third-party
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utility makers have some really clever stuff in there but the one that drives
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me nuts is for the phone app it's like you can't set who the people are it's
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like the boys just like three random people and the logic of it doesn't make
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any sense to me because I it i would i would guess that at least half of all
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the calls i ever make our to my wife and sometimes she's not listed and it
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doesn't see I don't know how there could be any algorithm that would that would
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gasps as to who i want that list that wouldn't include her based on my
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outgoing call history and yet sometimes she's not listed sometimes she is and
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sometimes she's not
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i I just wish that I wish that feature would just let me pic three people like
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just say like top three p
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only my phone favorites and that's it yeah was it's funny because clicking my
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clicking my phone right now it is the top three people in my phone favorites
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but I'm also pretty sure that that's again that's random
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I'm it's the same thing with messages to is like messages doesn't show that their
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most recent people that you've texted and I'm like why why doesn't just so
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show the three most recent people wouldn't that make the most sense
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yeah i don't i don't know what they're doing but it's definitely that's not
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what it no and that's I mean that's a factor of Apple being weak on certain
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algorithmic things in the first place
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it's what we did a retrospective on iOS 9 like six months in one of the things
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that still irritates me is the whole promise of proactive was really awesome
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and I was really excited about you know oh yeah it'll frequently know what apps
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are using it this time a day because it technically has all of that information
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and it's all local to your device but serious suggestions rarely really
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helpful on weird random occasions it is but more often than not it is just a
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couple of apps that i may have used recently and and let alone all the lock
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screen app suggestions i feel like i've only seen that once or twice in my life
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since installing iOS 9 you know where it's like oh yes it will show you a
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swipe up in the bottom left-hand corner for the most recently use app you use it
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like nine in the morning I don't have never seen that i'm waiting for it to
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show me like tweet by go read your tweets because you always do this every
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right so do add before going further so youryour when you say your portable is a
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ipad pro you mean the 12-point is right i mean the 12 find out yeah I've got
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both sitting on my my desk right now but when i say the and i'm working on the
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review because i like you I've been spending a lot of time using it rather
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than writing about it but when it comes to replacing a laptop whole hog you know
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not having a macbook in the wings the 12.9 inch has to be the way to go for me
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because of split view and keyboard alone all right
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I thought I disagree but i will get back to that yeah we
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I i like the 9.7 inch model better but i think it's possibly related to the fact
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that that like i said i don't really do work on the ipad i just use it for
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reading and I've always liked it for reading and i used to i mean this is how
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badly my eyes have gotten worse as a rocketing into my forties but like when
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the ipad mini first came out I love that was like this is the ipad for me because
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that's come out which haven't been that many it the fact that it's just the same
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it's a lot easier for me now to use a 9.7 inch just because it's the same
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oh yeah so if I were younger I think i would still be a fan of the ipad mini
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form factor now that I'm getting older I like the 9.7 and to me the 12 it just
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isn't suitable and I've gone back now that i have both of them as you know
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I've gone back to it and it's I see why other people like I can see why people
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like that especially if they're using it on a desk but for me it's it's not as
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many other keyboards and I've used bluetooth keyboards and USB keyboards
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the device for people who want to read or people who want to like casually draw
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big ipad i don't need another ipad even though it's pretty evident rose gold
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it's nice but I don't need it and i think i might keep it around because it
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is as you said it is really nice for reading and it's so light in comparison
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like my 12.9 inch iPad here's my confession about this is that basically
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my 12.9 inch ipad is a macbook with a touchscreen what I've turned it into I
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incredibly you know fairly still fairly light piece of technology and I
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basically shoved it in like one of the ugliest ipad cases I've ever seen in my
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although it is bright red so at least I've got that going for me but overall
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it's not a it's it's not it doesn't look like an iPad it looks closer to a
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surface when you if you'd see it from behind that it does from an ipad and
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you'd only be able to tell them it's an ipad if you came back like behind me and
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looked closely at the way that it was designed because it has the home button
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up but I've basically the the 12.9 inch does not come out of this case I i will
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occasionally take it out if I'm like showing it to somebody and they want to
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like feel how heavy it is but to me it is like it is part of this keyboard and
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that's part partially because the logitech create keyboard is its it has a
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beautiful home row that has shortcuts that just make using iOS like a desktop
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where you can have you know it has a quick to home button and it has a search
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button which will automatically close the app urine and pull up spotlight you
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can do command tab on it so it's it's basically a laptop it
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a laptop with the with with a multi-touch on it and and split view and
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split view on the 12 9 when you're doing when you're trying to do actual work is
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really nice it's basically to portrait iPads side-by-side that's not again not
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the perfect implementation of multiple windows but i actually like I I almost
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like it a little bit better than the tiered window system that Western has
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four especially for writing because a lot calmer right i look at my any of my
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max at any given time including the one I'm my imac I'm staring right now and
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it's there's a there's a sense to it i I'm not lost but it's it i'm also
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displeased by the clutter that yes it is its there's a method to my madness and I
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know which apps tend to be on which sides and and stuff like that but it
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doesn't look nice neat whereas the ipad in forces neatness because it's you know
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you can only have two limitations time and are always open at these set you
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know like 5050 or 230 and exactly um and there's a certain clarity you know that
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that is very appealing to me the fact that you cannot make it messy and that
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you know and again I think you're right and I don't think it's any surprise that
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one group of people who find the ipad the most appealing as a true work
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machine our writers is that it you know because the lack of clutter can help
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focus your mind
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uh-huh so now i see the appeal of that but it's still I don't know there is
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something there it gets back to like my complain about 3d touch not being
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integrated because it wasn't there from the beginning i find that the
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multitasking in iOS still isn't quite it's not quite seamless because it
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wasn't there from the beginning and the fact that every app doesn't support it
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and it's impossible to predict which apps are going to or not and finding the
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apps and that right pecker i don't think i've ever used that pecker honestly I
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open it once and I was just like no then well then how how do you do multitasking
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if you don't use the picture mantab oh I am I always have my my iPad connected to
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that create keyboard so the only the ways that ice which is just constant
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command
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put in the other exactly exactly and it still you know it's not perfect because
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they're as you said it's it's something that was essentially developed what last
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year right on and it's missing things like drag-and-drop which would be
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crucial between one pain to the other pain and which it just does not have
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four sandbox reasons and probably just development reasons and there's a guy i
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made a whole laundry list of you know potential feature is that the that the
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next generation of iOS four for ipad is currently lacking that people who are
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using it for professional uses desperately want um but but that's you
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know if you want to use the iPad as a professional machine you basically have
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to attach a keyboard to it right now and you can use you know it's it's nice the
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touchscreen is nice because then you can turn it into something else like what I
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really liked about the 12-inch 1209 images that i can take it with the
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keyboard and i can write up a storm and I can do professional work and then just
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as easily I collapse it you know on top of the keyboard and it's just a screen
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and I can use that in the pencil and very quickly like edit dust out of
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photos for for like I'm or hero shots or you know I went on am I help some
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friends take some engagement photos and i was using one of the adapters I just
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pulled out the SD card and I all I uploaded them all onto my my iPad and we
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were able to basically go through them on that 12.9 inch screen with like with
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a couple behind me immediately pick out the favorites and then send all of those
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two lightroom so that I could you know properly batch and color correct them
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and that took you know probably 15 minutes we're on a on a Mac it probably
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like it's not it's not that the workflow would have been it's like dramatically
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more difficult but it's just it's it's taking out some of the steps and it's a
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little bit easier you know it's easier to view an ipad and pass it between
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people than it is to like pick up a laptop and handed and it's just it's
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it's slightly slightly different use cases on and again it's something one is
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better than the
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they're like overall I think they're both great machines especially when you
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talk about affordability but if you're doing certain certain tasks and
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especially if you're very adding tasks you know you don't just use your laptop
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for writing you want to edit photos or you want to draw that's when the you
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know the flexibility of having an ipad with the keyboard that also just turns
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into an ipad when you need it is really something special
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um I i find that the like one of the things that slows me down the most and
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there's just I don't know if there's if it's ever gonna be good enough is the
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ability to precisely select ranges of texts like me and I don't know maybe
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it's III because i do so much of it it's it's and I've done it for years I come
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really really really fast on a mac at taking my mouse or trackpad if I'm on on
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a macbook and selecting exactly the range of text that I want copy and
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command tabbing to the other app and pasting it where I wanted to go and I
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find that like that to me is one of those things that always feels like I'm
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pedaling uphill on on an iPad 14 it's awful
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yeah okay here it's definitely better with the keyboard all of the the
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keyboard you know text selection shortcuts work so i basically just you
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know I'll do like command control and use the arrow keys and command shift and
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just you know select everything I need that way and that and like Nancy like
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all of the all the shortcuts that I normally and I've pretty much moved
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entirely away from mouse based select text selection once I once I figured out
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the right like set of keyboard commands to use the only place where this bites
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me in the ass in an iOS and it's one of the things that you mentioned it earlier
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we're like some apps don't supports love you
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well some apps don't support you know simple things like keyboard shortcuts
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yeah um and I'm not calling out anybody here google huh have have basically a
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hell of a hate-hate affair with the ipad right now where things like for instance
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in Google Docs and M dash doesn't work you try and do the keyboard command for
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an em dash and it just won't it just doesn't exist
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and and it's just like things like that or being able to select text just
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doesn't exist
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ok how I don't mean how do you even break something like that i do they have
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like a command tied to I remember when the first version of textmate came out
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and as a longtime be at user the appeal of it escaped me but I also kept an open
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mind and I thought well I can see why people don't like BB and even though i
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love it and therefore if they don't like BB at maybe this is the glass of ice
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water and he'll that they've been waiting for but there were so many weird
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things in the first version of textmate including the fact that there was a menu
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command that was tied to not just option p just they give us some kind of like
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print setup or I don't know but some command in the app you have to type
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option p and I thought will wait how in the world instantly as a long time Mac
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user that well how would you type the pie character and the answer was not you
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can and and it just was that like the guy who made the appt didn't know that
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you know that you that option plus a character who's not for menu commands it
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was really reserved for typing extended characters because he was a relatively
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new to the mac it would just didn't occur to them like you should never not
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be able to type in md know and it makes you feel it makes you feel stupid and
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then it makes you question is the keyboard broken and finally you get to
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the point where you're like oh google just didn't build a good fucking nap you
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know what are you married I'm very angry about that i'll give an example here's
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an example on the ipad pro of an app that I love I would and I you know
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there's a random me holding it up i love tweetbot for iOS you consider tweetbot
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for iOS to be my favorite iOS app . like a burger from anybody else but that's
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primarily based on my interaction with it on the phone and I find that their
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ipad version is not it's good it still is that the ipad twitter app that I use
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but I there's little things about it that I don't like as much
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their beds are so bank that's my problem well in life that's our screen
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my thing is that i don't know what to do with that right hand column when you
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have it in portrait not landscape and I have it in and using the ipad in the
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keyboard it has to be in landscape but the other little thing that they don't
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do and again you know that i'm complaining about an app that i love but
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it doesn't it's not hooked up to the space bar in any way in terms of like
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just scroll down you can't yeah you can't just you have to take your finger
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on the screen which sort of defeats the the comfort of using the ipad in a
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laptop configuration with the with a any keyboard internet one of my complaints
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with the ipad pro 12 inch and 12 . 9-inch back in September was that using
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this space bar to scroll was messed up in so many apps like Safari scrolled by
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very strange that cage in the quarter
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yeah we skipped like two paragraphs every time you practice
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yeah so like and scrolling too much is way worse than scrolling too little
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because at least if it's growing too little you could you just have to hit
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space too many times whereas if it rolls more than a screen you've actually
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missed text and it it defeats the purpose Apple commendably has actually
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done a lot of work and one of my biggest things that I would sing the praises of
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using the ipad pro and I dis applies to both
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using the ipad pro and I dis applies to both
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Pat pros at this point but it's because it's an iOS 9.3 thing but the spacebar
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does what I mean in way more cases including especially in safari so you
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open up safari and even if you're at a weird scaling factor because it's not
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like an iPad optimized thing you have space and it Scrolls by a sensible
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almost almost every time I can remember you know in the week weeks i've been
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using this like a I can't remember a handful of cases where it didn't work
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another thing they do that's great is and I think its new 99% sure it's know
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is that when you're using mail the up-and-down arrows always go to the next
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and previous message so you can do i find myself able to like triage my inbox
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and just go through all of my unread emails from the day on the ipad with the
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keyboard way way better than I could before iOS 9.3 simply for the fact that
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i can just use the up and down arrows to go between messages please delete key to
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get rid of them so it's really big big improvement but the fact that tweet but
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doesn't really do anything with the keyboard really kind of not going to say
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it's useless because that's that's hyperbole but if i want to do twitter on
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the ipad pro I I find that I need to take it off the keyboard
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yeah I usually i almost never run Tweetbot full screen all usually run it
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in like 7030 where it's the 30 little bit and then I'll have my my thumb and
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like the bottom right corner of wherever the ipad is like product up so I'll just
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scroll really little bit that but it's it's a it's a problem and for me for
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something like tweet but I read it bottom-up like I won't read from like
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most recent i still am sort of a timeline completionist because i
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apparently hate myself so it's like idea to refer I just need arrow keys like the
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spacebar would be bad for me up but but there are apps like that their apps
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where it's half finished and and that's I think key to a lot of folks ipad as a
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work machine complaints and honestly was my complaint until very recently when I
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don't like when the pencil came out my my perception of pro of ipad had to
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change because the pencil is basically what I've been asking for since 2010 as
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like this is an amazing drawing device
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and even if it sucks at everything else I'm going to carry it around because
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it's an amazing drawing device so if i have to carry it around at this time the
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12.9 inch was the only model but i have to carry it around while I might let you
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might as well at least figure out what else I can do with it and turns out i
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can do quite a lot but when I was coming to the ipad in print in Prior versions
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like even the ipad air 2 I was so excited about it for about a week and
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then it went into like my bookshelf of iOS devices and then I never touched it
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because I just I hadn't found anything
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the ipad was really good for how where it's like it's it's great for reading
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think that you can balance it like that while you read I was just I was being
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lazy about it i was i was blowing off the ipad for that and just because when
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upload thumbnails like I couldn't I couldn't upload a video or photo because
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it's something like you that you can't even get to the file uploading from
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yeah i think you know I'm just be easier for me to just go upstairs to my mac it
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would actually be easier to get up from where I am
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to not be lazy look we're gonna happen if you're not home like to do it would
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yeah and and since then you know iOS 9 has a has a file picker built-in and
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which is really nice butt but I feel like so many people have had those bad
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experiences where they go in and they try and do something on iOS and it just
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does not work . that they've given up or they or they see something not working
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they're just like well that's never going to get fixed and why would I even
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try i don't even like the ipad that much so i get i get the hesitation and I and
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that's honestly why I'm really excited for the 9.7 inch iPad pro you know as
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somebody i'm going to use the 12.9 at least until i get a macbook her new a
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new mac laptop if I got a new mac laptop because it's it's comfortable and it
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pro and I can do it in such a way that it doesn't make me feel like I'm tearing
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my hair out where it's actually enjoyable and in some cases better than
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on my mac but for the vast majority of people they're either not going to have
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the time to give that a try or they're just not going to be interested in
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giving that a try in the 9.7 inch both in cost and form factor i think is a lot
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easier sell of a here's a way to get into ipad and to mess around with ipad
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without having to make the commitment of this is going to be your only device and
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you're going to carry around or you're going to carry around a three-pound ipad
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and keyboard along with a mac the ipad pro the baby at the baby pro as I've
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cover doesn't weigh that what always like to 2.2 worry maybe if that when you
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get a hand right now with the with the keyboard cover on and I don't know what
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it was but it-it-it if you think of it just as an ipad it feels like this is a
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very heavy cover
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yeah and if you think if I could take the cover off and just hold the ipads
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like wow that cover really weighs it down but if I think of it is as a
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portable computer you can take around and I remember what it used to be like
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to tell ya you know even the earlier errors you know it's like wow this is
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absolutely amazing in comparison yeah it's it's it's like you're I was holding
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the 9.7 inch outside because I was trying out the two-tone display drawing
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outside and we had a pretty gusty day and the thing almost blew out of my
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hands because it's just it's so light and because it's flat like that you get
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it the wrong way
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um it's a really nice you know it's a nice shape to hold it feels really great
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and you pair it with a pencil like the thing i'm really i'm most excited about
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is getting this into the hands of like kids and teenagers who are interested in
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drawing poor interested in you know doing more unconventional things with a
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computer then you might do traditionally with a mac there's an they're like I've
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been testing drawing apps i'm testing handwriting apps and things like that on
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there is an app that allows you to make your your own fonts
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oh I saw your article this this is this was like blue lines because I you know I
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used to date somebody who is a who was a professional typographer and like built
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fonts and I would watch him for like hours and hours while he would like
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perfect turning and and change drawing paths and with the pencil
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not only is it really easy to just sketch out like your your initial set of
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characters in this app but it has all the all of the kerning features and all
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of the path you know adjustments that the professional version of like from
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photographer would have and it and you can upload it directly to the system
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with a profile so you can literally you know make make your own font and then
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install it immediately on iOS and use it in a project like pages which is just
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it's like that kind of very specific niche thing I feel like it's going to
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make typographers sing for joy because you can you can start this and then you
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could bring it somewhere else right
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you could work you could start a font you have a stroke of inspiration and you
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can start a font on your on your iPad weather
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it's a 9.7 or 12.9 and then bring into your mac and work on it more
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it's just like I see so many so many kids like if I had a device like this is
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a kid like my wacom is probably the best the move the most comparable thing and
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even that was so so like light years behind what this is that it is it's it's
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so much potential and the the price and the size and the fact that it works with
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the pencil just I feel like poises the potential for huge huge growth in that
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sector assuming that people will buy into it i'm wondering it's just one
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thing about it is that if you get the whole rig with meaning
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let's say the mid mid capacity one huh 749 and then you want the cellular it
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I think that's 8 8 49 extract 129 1621 will sit down so it's an extra hundred
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hi Lisa hundred bucks hundred twenty bucks the keyboard 250 bucks and the
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pencils a hundred bucks so overall you're looking at even just for the 128
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one you're looking at at least like 11 hundred dollars
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yeah and it's a it's pretty expensive if you want to try an outfit now there's
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all sorts of those things that aren't necessarily required you don't have to
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get the cellular one you don't know you could get you know thankfully the mid
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the entry level is 32 gigs not 16 gauge and and decently priced right i think if
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you know that you're never going to draw you could I think most buy it i think
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you can skip the pencil i think if you you know there might be some handwriting
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type things that you could do with it but I think as a general rule if you
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know you don't draw then I i think it's easy to know not to get the pencil or if
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you're not planning the other thing that I think the pencil does really well is
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precision editing so if you're if you're a photographer or if you're anybody
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who's doing any kind of film work or editing work audio work this is can be
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really really hits like it's imagine the most precise mouse that you can do it
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that's really cool but yes if you don't if you're not doing those things than
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absolutely yeah and that might you know
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very small sample survey of asking my wife who is a very and she loves her
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iPad her iPad is our portable computer she has an ipad air one I guess so she's
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due for an upgrade
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I mean she uses it i mean just hours every day and so it's you know this is
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perfect for her than 1.7 I was like do you think do you want the keyboard and
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she's like no way because she still you know she'll pick out text messages on
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the on-screen keyboard but she doesn't want a heavier cover she wanted the
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white cover and she still used to user mac for if she really has like a long
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email to write she goes to her mac sure and you want the pencil and she's like
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what I use it for I was like I don't know she was like no I don't want a
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pencil that was it
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so it's you know I think and it but I like that it's just a sensible like do
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you get or not get that you don't need to spend the extra 250 bucks on the
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keyboard and the pencil if you're not going to use them and the answer is yes
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but still that's a pretty you know it's not like you're saving money by getting
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an ipad pro instead of a macbook I mean you know maybe compared to a macbook pro
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but you know you're still talking about a thousand-dollar thousand-dollar plus
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setup which in the grand scheme of the industry is not that cheap
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no it's not it just depends on what you're using it for right because if it
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if you don't if you don't have the intention of ever using the pencil I
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feel like four ninety-nine percent of people max probably going to be better
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but if you need touchscreen accessibility or if you have any desire
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to work with the pencil the ipad instantly becomes a really really
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exciting piece of technology especially good i want to tell you my face before I
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forget I want to I want to get this out there is my favorite ipad pencil hack is
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take the cap and put it either throw it away or just put it somewhere but there
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you're never gonna use it again and don't ever use the cap and instead use
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the little lightning adapter as the cap and I keep the little lightning adapter
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on the pencil at all times and that means that you can charge the pencil at
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any time either way you can either change charge it as a male or a female
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time and fun it and I don't understand why it wasn't like this white why
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they're not encouraging that like the cap doesn't do any purpose other than
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the cover the the protect the Lightning port right and instead they give you the
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little they give you this little adapter that you can use either way that's it
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that's a good heck i like that you know
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although to be honest I have never charged my pencil with anything but the
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ipad in that we are like wacky configuration it just never because it
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charges so fast with the ipad that I never even think like if i bring my
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pencil somewhere and it's like five percent battery literally five minutes
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get you twenty twenty-five percent charge which is kind of crazy to me when
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you can charge it the other way and it's if you have an iphone charger yeah and
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it's already but then you have to find the wall right and it's like though the
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beauty of the ipad set up to me is that as long as my iPads charged when i leave
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the house I don't have to bring connectors you don't have to worry about
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it or do you just keep the keep the Lightning port exposed i have the cap on
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the someone on Twitter and I can't remember who it is now gave me the
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amazing tip where the cap is magnetic
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so it'll grab onto the to the smart magnets the Smart Cover magnets on your
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iPad so when you take the cap off to plug in your to plug in the pencils for
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the ipad you just drop it on the ipad and it's actually really it's a fun game
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you can just drop it anywhere on the ipad it'll go and grab onto the Smart
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Cover magnets so that's my that's my and my my other ipad good i pad pencil hack
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is by a two-dollar micron pen and then steal the clip off the micron pan and
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then you can just slide it over the silver pencil so I have a nice little
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click there keep it from rolling too hmm two-dollar micron the stone so that's
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good that micron pens have like a clip that is the right sort of that is
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exactly the right size yeah right what would you call that the right sort of a
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diameter yeah diameter or circumference 1261 1261 happens yeah exactly 6 1 pi
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times a different option option he there we go pison we have a theme for this
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episode yeah uh I so the other one else is there to talk about with that the
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ipad pro there's the display this is the thing I know Jason I talked about it
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last week and everybody's you can't not talk about it that now there is a weird
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like off-cycle pace to the ipad pros we're even though this one is six months
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after the 12.9 inch one it has some technology that is clearly like an
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entire generation ahead specifically with the display with the fact that it
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has the true tone feature for changing the color temperature of what's on
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screen based on the ambient color of wherever it is that you're using it and
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this new thing under them
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miss speak but more or less than it has a high it displays a higher gamut
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significantly higher gamut of colors what is that pc3 the same it's the same
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color gamut is on the fork and 5k imax which is pretty neat it which is
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extremely need and I think all of this is going to cum everywhere
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eventually oh yeah within i'm going to say like three years 23 years every mac
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every iphone every ipad will have the high gamut and the true tone because
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it's just it both of them are just remarkably it's mind-blowing Iran you
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know i see i don't know if you've ever get this John because you run your own
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site and you're not really beholden to the publishing schedules but i'll
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occasionally do this thing on I'm our world I'm write a really good story and
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I get so excited about like I was originally planned for say after the
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weekend or its plan to like go live on Wednesday and I'm just like I'm just
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going to publish it now i don't care if it's 11pm tonight I'm just gonna just
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gonna go with it now and that's kind of what I feel like croutons on this on
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this I fattest example being like we developed it and it's ready and we could
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wait until the iphone 7 but you know what
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this will allow us to to get some bug's iron out while we figure out how it
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works on the bigger screen and then we can bring it to the smaller screen and
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then we can bring it to the mac it will be great let's just launched it now guys
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right get it is exciting right even if the fact is that it meant it really
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makes for a very all ultimately i think that the two ipad pros will be little be
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like choosing between macbook pros we're really the main thing is that duh which
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size do you want
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yeah it was screen and maybe it maybe a little bit more
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I am and you know like in a way that the hard stuff right in the ways that like a
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15-inch macbook pro outperforms the 13 inch ones biased by small degree but
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like what you would you know it just seems intuitively well yeah of course
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it's little little bit better technically but it's not like that at
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all with that with the to ipad pros today it's the the district Walter yeah
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the display quality of the 9.71 and shit but it's just a vastly different and mr.
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John is incredible it's just the first time when I was setting up the ipad
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there's the there's the button where it's like would you like to use true
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tone display and it's just a little blue button that's like with true tone and
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then you press it and it turns on without your tone and I made a gif of it
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because I'm just like this is so stop like I didn't even realize the screen
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was slightly orange and normally i'm very attuned to that stuff like I
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couldn't use flux for years on my Mac because it would just drive me crazy but
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dramatic effect and I I've made that definitely made more people who read
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daring fireball angry with my comments on night shift than anything we've done
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recently because I'm out love the guy i've linked to numerous of the things
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that are like Glenn fleischmann had a good piece that the science that says
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that you get a better night's sleep because of this really is very very
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questionable whether people find it more comfortable for their eyes though that
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that's completely subjective and I have friends who say all man i swear by this
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know how people work at night you know how you know I work hours and hours
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don't get hard i believe that but that doesn't mean you're getting a better
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like certain other things made through its its correlation me personally I
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can't stand it i find that the color shifting is
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gross but it's also very subjective i just it i just find it very gross
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well I think whether or not you like the feature is one trying to get it whether
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you like that feature not call it night shift in iOS or flux on your Mac it is
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without question very very noticeable Perry whether you like it or not I just
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don't see how anybody could deny that it is a dramatic difference true tone on
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the other hand while it sounds like it's doing the same thing it sounds like it's
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a similar idea where it's taking sensors and color temperature and just shifting
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the color temperature in practice it is invisible when I think that you can hit
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the nail on the head in terms of the sensors because night shift to my
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knowledge is almost entirely it's geolocation and software-based yeah and
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the actual like the range of the tone that's entirely changeable and
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adjustable and settings so it really depends its user dependent where you
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have to go in and shift like how blue or how warm do you want to see your display
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at night whereas true tone takes all of that away it's like do you want it on or
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do you want it off and then just like it I keep finding out with true tone as I
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use this ipad pro more and more i keep thinking like wait I have to I keep
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thinking myself you have totally overblown this feature because there's
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an it's not doing anything right now here it is it's you know
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930 at night so it should be you know kicking in because the sun's down and
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i'm using incandescent lighting and I can just tell looking at the screen that
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this isn't doing anything at all and then I take any one of my other devices
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and look at it side-by-side sorry I'm like oh my god that is that is so
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disgusting
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it's crazy and you're like how was I staring with this blue piece of crap but
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the more that I use it the more I convinced myself that it's not doing
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anything at all until I look at any of my other devices that don't have it
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side-by-side as she just how weirdly off all the white you know all the colors
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are its it is a wonderful feature alright makes me it makes me so mad that
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they hadn't perfected in November because that would have looked so pretty
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on the 12.9 but I oh yeah that's that's the problem with releasing different
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sizes and different times they could have held the entire
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ipad pro launch until the spring um but because of this is probably where the
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recycle bites them and other things they wanted to launch the ipad pro in
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November so they launched what they had and the smaller ipad pro as a result get
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some of the the niceties it gets the pc three it gets the true tone display the
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camera features i honestly think is just a yeah we can fit in a 9.7 inch and
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there are people who are going to use their ipad pros cameras whether we tell
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them to or not and also on the perfect the professional film side there are
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cinematographers who say yeah a 9.7 inch screen is really nice for location
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scouting so it would be nice to have a 4k cameras like I get that I'm not too
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heartbroken about not having a 4k camera on my 12.9 inch I ipad but god do i wish
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i had to jump it soon as but it is a weird it's just again it's like you said
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i think you said it perfectly it's it's not like people have the 12.9 inch iPad
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pro are dying to have the better camera but it does seem weird now side-by-side
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that the cheaper smaller one has a better camera than the more expensive
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yeah I means weird it is it is and it's probably component cheapness like
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component parts falling after new year or something else like that or they just
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didn't you know they couldn't fit it or the camera bump bottle my guess here's
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my guess is that it was either they couldn't get them in September or they
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just didn't want to take the chance because the it's the same camera system
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as the iphone 6s and 6s plus and that to make sure that they wouldn't hamper
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production of iphones they didn't want to put it and they just want to either
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they either they knew they couldn't get enough of them or that they just didn't
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want to take a chance of being a hiccup in the iphone supply chain i believe
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that especially pre-christmas it's just that it's a dangerous thing to have
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right because that first quarter is just it's crazy how high stakes it is for
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Apple because it's both the launch quarter and the holiday quarter
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oh yeah they I mean they crammed so much stuff in this past year and i thought i
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thought last year was a little bit crazy but but this year they really just like
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all right we got the phones we got the ipad we've got the appletv we're just
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gonna go we're gonna go we're gonna make it happen
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the other thing
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the 9.7 does not have and this is the the thing that I think ultimately will
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keep me from switching to it is the USBC quick charge was really nice being able
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to use USB 3 being able to take advantage of that quick charge because
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the 12 volt adapter like I mean granted i rarely charge my iPad except overnight
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so I don't get a huge amount of use out of it but on the days when i'm like i
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have cut audio audio and cut video on my iPad before and in those days i will
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bring like my you the new USBC charger that I just got which was strangely
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shipped alongside the 9.7 inch iPad but 9.7 inch iPad not not able to use it and
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that thing that thing actually charges like a laptop charger like it makes it
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makes the ipad actually have a have a charger that is functional whereas
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before like the 12 volt adapter trying to plug that into the 12.9 enjoy bed bro
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it's like okay if you're plugging this in while you're working on it you're
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gonna see your battery drop to $MONEY percent ya think it doesn't do anything
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it's it's fake you really kind of have to just sit there and wait now and i
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find that it the ipads i do find one of the advantages of it and I i don't think
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that the battery life estimates really the the published tech specs for the
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battery life of these devices to me it it's misleading because i don't i get
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way more battery life out of an ipad then the specs would show compared to
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the Act book and I think it's simply the I think it's simply the basis that I
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actually I tend to run that stupid number of safari tabs at a time and i
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have a stupid number of apps that are open at a time and so there's just more
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going on as like a baseline cpu level on any of my macbook's compared to the ipad
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which enforces this sort of mostly one app at a time thing and you know like so
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far you can have a bunch of tabs open but only the frontmost tab actually is
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running anything i just get practically speaking if i start the day with a full
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I can't use the ipad enough to really run it down I just can't there's nothing
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I can seem to do and so I don't I'd sometimes I I wake up and I from its ok
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let's use this ipad pro because i want to write this review
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I realize I haven't even charged in two or three days and the batteries are
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functional right and the battery is kind of low because I just haven't plugged it
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in and days
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yeah which never ever happens with with other devices because it you just are
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vaguely aware that you know if you're doing a lot of work on a macbook you
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need to charge it at some point and same thing with an iphone throughout the day
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but you just don't accidentally go three or four days without charging your phone
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no because it just it wouldn't work or your Apple watch but with the ipad it's
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actually it's possible it's very possible
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yeah especially if you don't use it a hundred percent of this like the ipad
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pro if you're using it like you use a laptop it's pretty normal to kill it or
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kill like seventy-five percent of the battery on a on a full day as work but
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if you're just using it you know like you do where you're using the ipad for
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reading and maybe a little bit of writing and you're going on the go you
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can you can get like three or four days of charge of that thing that's crazy but
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it is true that the USB the super USBC charging on the ipad the big ipad pro is
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is a tremendous feature and once you've had it it's it's really it's one of its
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another one of those things where once you've had on one device it's really
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hard to go back to any of your other devices and accept the fact that it
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takes seemingly forever to charge him
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yeah yep and and yeah because I do i do like a lot of the 9.7 inch I iPads like
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that the true tone is so beautiful and I love by the way i love that it turns off
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whenever you go into a photo editing program yeah I'm so it automatically it
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automatically understands that which is pretty great but also i used an 11-inch
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macbook air for so long that I'm like nine point seven inches isn't really
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that much smaller I could totally do work and after two weeks on this I'm
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just like I just like then the 12.9 screen so much better for like physical
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like that the multitasking that just isn't the to ipad mini app side-by-side
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just doesn't work for me on the 9700 group
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well I don't it doesn't work as well because it doesn't feel as much the way
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that on the 12.9 it feels like two full safe and they're not quite full size but
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they feel like two full-size iPad side-by-side and
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that the smaller ipad you don't get that small ipad is is bicycling a pill if
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you're trying to multitask anyway long story short I think it's a tremendous it
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device and I think people's anger had it is misplaced and I think it's kind of
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fascinating how true it is stayed to the original iPad idea from 2010 yeah yeah
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and I said sometimes too it's a to its dismay i'm i'm really annoyed that that
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stupid facetime camera is still in portrait orientation especially given
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the ipad pro moniker where your kind of you know you're pitching it on the idea
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that you're probably going to use it in a keyboard case for a certain amount of
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time so if you ever use facetime or skype
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your video is often weird to the side it's like one of my love such a little
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pet peeve about the hardware but it's so irritating
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yeah it's I don't see what they have it that's a tough design problem though
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because other than putting a second facetime camera in at the other spot
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I don't know what else they could do yeah yeah it's I mean it's it's
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definitely it's difficult if you're assuming that people are going to want
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to use it in portrait and with the 97 I get that a little bit more because the
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97 is comfortable to use in portrait but the 12-9 is is so gargantuan in portrait
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but it just feels wrong to use it that way
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like it just doesn't it's not comfortable in any way shape or form and
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I don't know but yet but you're absolutely right it's like you put into
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cameras and then have extra space there do you kill the portrait orientation
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facetime camera and then make people who hold the 97 and portrait have an issue
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it goes back it again it's another thing that goes back to the originality
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well the original idea the original iPad had in prototypes had to 30 pin
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connectors one that's right
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slide 14 landscape and 14 portrait and it was decided so late in the game to
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get rid of it that the the coordinate system of the ipod was then called ipad
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OS was based on
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landscape as the default orientation even though the day ended up shipping it
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where the 30-pin connector was on the bottom because remember that will enter
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and again like an upcoming full circle the original iPad had a hardware
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keyboard accessory it was just instead of being like a cover it was actually
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like a little hard yeah ipad dock
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yeah and but you had to do you know the only way to mount it was to to put it in
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portrait which was little bit weird because you know I I'd you know as
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evidence by what they've ended up coming back to with the smart keyboard when you
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do have a keyboard attached it makes more sense to be in landscape
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yeah overall no I did it just feels more natural and yeah especially if you're
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multitasking because multitasking portrait just doesn't make sense right
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but it's just funny thing that they've that they've come back to but in the
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same way you can see why in theory you might want to have smart connectors on
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the bottom and the side but i can see why Apple but it didn't do that
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yeah I alright let's take a break before we move on to new topics and this is
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anything else you want talk about with ipad pro no I think everything I've
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gotten through most of it i encourage everybody to try pencils if they haven't
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already because I i do think it's really fun even if you don't think you're an
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artist or don't think you're going to draw uh well not the worst thing you
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could blow 99 bucks on know exactly far far less useful things I mean take a
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actually get it repaired but I you know i'm i'm pretty careful with my phones I
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keep them free of scratches because I gotta take pictures of them but I'm
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careful and I dropped my phone you know probably three feet and had it shatter
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into a million pieces so i don't know i'm i'm i'm really keep my track record
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in and paying you know whatever the prices were to get a new screen
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breaking because of that slightly wrapped glass it just doesn't it's
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conscious of how conscientious may be the better word of how I'm holding the
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yeah after to screen breaks you can I you have to adjust your your usability
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people to enjoy the fact that you have a little credit card sized battery
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both useful and the pretty pleasant to hold yeah it's wonderfully in the hand
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ya feel like if they do I feel like the schedule will stay the same where if
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really alright so why why did you not like the trailer I'm curious
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which is like a lesser purposefully lesser star wars movie that just didn't
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generic action sci-fi movie than a Star Wars movie and I felt like it was cut
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for this is that it does it does feel very much much more energetic than what
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sweeping shot of tatooine right or the the the longshot of of you know ray and
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great trailer I the one shot that to me made the trailer was the shot on jakku
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it's a real long shot of a Star Destroyer artists were that's crashed in
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like this very star wars in this to it which is it there's clear it clearly a
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lot of backstory that you don't know there's something you know because
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obviously there's a massive star destroyer crashed on a desert planet is
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this time happened yeah are we on Tatooine again are we somewhere else you
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don't know but there's obviously something happened where is there's
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nothing in the road one trailer that makes me wonder why what happened there
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that there's some kind of crazy backstory here
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yeah so I have to ask you to have you watched Star Wars rebels the cg cartoon
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yes in fact by a jonas and i just finished catching up
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lation Ali oh my gosh alright well we'll save that I feel like that's way too
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spoilery but am well big is there something you want to say that's not
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spoilery about well yes so we'll sort of pseudo spoilery just more that I when i
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seem like exact real worlds like let me let me take all of the shots and staging
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that I've done with Star Wars rebels and let me put it in a live-action movie
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like some of those marketplace scenes the scenes where uh where I think your
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name is Jin the the protagonist for rogue one is like running through and
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kicking around stormtroopers and I'm like this this literally feels like a
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scene with Sabine from Star Wars rebels where and then the whole trailer kind of
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feels like that where rebels rebels and clone wars before it to me aren't really
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they don't seem focused on the Star Wars grand you're right it's not if these are
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more telling like very quick standalone slight not even slice of life stories
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but slice of Star Wars I guess where they just kind of drop you right in the
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middle of the action and they're just like all right go you there's there's
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some stuff you know some backstory that's helpful to know but it's not
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really about building you know it's not about telling the grands Joseph Campbell
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story it's about here here's this you know this specific action in the
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specific thing that's happening to these people who happen to exist in this
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larger world and that's kind of the the vibe that I got from the road one
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trailer is it's very much
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it jumps you right into the fact where it's like you either
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know where this is where this is what's happening and you know what
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what the adults are and you know what that lady with short red hair is and
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what her you know overwhelming significance is to the the greater star
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wars universe or you don't and I don't know it's I I understand where you where
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you're coming from about the you know it doesn't it doesn't have the grandeur of
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a of a star wars star wars trailer or even feel so much like your traditional
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star wars movie it's it's a very gritty sort of down in the dirt version of it
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feel like that cut cut cut style and I don't think that the movie is going to
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be like that I certainly hope not
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no but i don't know i feel like i like it like for first teaser I'd rather just
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have it be one cool shot but for the whole teaser and that's it and then as
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opposed to the kind of went the opposite way and try to show like a ton of stuff
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yeah they shouldn't so this is this is something that's interesting to me in
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that based this I mean this is the first visual we've really seen of rogue one in
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about a year because last year we saw that that teaser one sheet of like them
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the the group standing together and based on everything I've read up about
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rogue one up until the point where the teaser trailer was released my my
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inclination was this was going to be oceans 11 and star wars are was where it
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was supposed to be a heist movie right where it's basically like she gets the
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team together and they build up everybody and then they go in and they
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might have to go undercover and it's not necessarily like jokey oceans 11 but
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it's that it's the same kind of beat and style and then this teaser trailer comes
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out and the teaser trailer is almost the exact opposite of what i would expect
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from a heist movie right you think you think about teaser trailers for heist
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movies right
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you think about even any of the mission impossible trailers um where if I look
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carefully at the trailer you can kind of spot scenes or it's like oh this
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is from the place where they're getting the gang together and here's where
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they're probably have to go undercover and you're running from Imperial yeah
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here's where they're breaking into the unbreakable safe
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yeah exactly exactly but it's but it's told in such a different way and i'm
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curious about that i'm curious if it actually is a heist movie and they're
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just their teeth right now the tease is really were just teasing you about our
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main character and it's not even so much about the movie and that's part of the
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reason of the cut is that our main character is you know our protagonists
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explosions and end up in a cross between inquisitors uniform and a TIE fighter my
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outfit at some point I don't know it's it's interesting to me what kind of
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story they're trying to tell and also i have lots of questions about the main
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character herself and how these standalone stories are supposed to fit
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into the start of the greater star wars universe because i've had people argue
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on on both sides right I've had people argue
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oh well these are supposed to be entirely separate and they're really
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more like you know dives into backstory and they don't involve the main the main
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plot at all but but then I look at the other standalone stories they have you
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know slotted they've got the young soul of movie
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well don't I'm like started oh I know I know I know but but my thought is well
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if they're going to tell these standalone stories that you know may or
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may not revolve around major characters what's to say that whatever happens in
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this movie know it may not
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you know directly be an installment of the force awakens sort of trilogy but
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i'm i'm not entirely unconvinced that there's their stuff that's gonna happen
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into this in this movie that's going to be very important in episode 8 episode 9
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not necessarily on a grand scale but you know stuff there's there's all kinds of
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potential theories there and I feel like we would take three hours trying to
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discuss them all because we took two hours uncomfortable i love the idea of
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calling it like Ocean's eleven in the star wars universe is exactly i if
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that's what it turns out being even in some small just in a general direction
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that would make me very happy i think the trailer certainly doesn't suggest
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that no trailer makes it seem like it's and I don't know that I hope it's not i
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just think i $FULLPHONENUM i just worry that there is a sort of that the trailer
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is the teaser that we got is the result of a dysfunctional executive leadership
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at the new Lucasfilm in disney that it's less about making a super awesome
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trailer that that take star wars in the new direction and more about wait we
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trailer we could do the footage we have because we you know we don't want to
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take any risks at all that I guess is to me what I i found a little disappointing
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in this is it to me it didn't seem like they took any risks at all other than
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the i will admit that the the although it to me it only continues a direction
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they started with the force awakens were clearly the protagonist is a woman not a
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man which is a significant change from traditional action movies and from the
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that's a lot less e they don't even get as much credit for the risk because I
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feel like that risk was already taken in the force awakens
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mhm well they're continuing a story I have a lot of faith in Kathleen Kennedy
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just as a as the head of Lucasfilm and her ability to put together a good team
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but there is there is a minor worry on my part about what road one is going to
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look like because we think about traditional star wars trailers and
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traditional Star Wars movies right
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your first trailer usually comes about a year out like I would have expected to
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see the teaser attached to the force awakens right or it maybe even not a
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launch but like six weeks into the force awakens come see it again and now the
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robo-one teaser will be attached right family should hire you spread to do that
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that's genius that would have gotten by its good marketing right I don't go a
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second time just to see the 32nd 60-second spot up but if you think about
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traditional like medium budget movies a trailer of its first teaser six months
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until six months out it's it's almost crazy it's like this is your first
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trailer and you're still probably gonna have like another teaser and a couple
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full-length trailers like you're getting really close to the wire and i'm not
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sure if that's intentional on their part that they don't want to take they don't
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want to pull too much focus away from the big the big movies the trilogy
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movies or whether there were some issues with rogue one where they had to do some
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innocent post-production story editing or things like that
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I've been a little worried hearing like with the radio silence around it that it
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is it was like a story problem but I don't know I really don't like that's
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that's the that's the thing right now is we have this one trailer and the
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original description of Road one and that one sheet and that's all we know
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about this movie and I i want to be tentatively excited because I the
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potential even if the trailer you know the trailer i think is some somewhat
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star wars and somewhat very not star wars in that the the visuals are all
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right too
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the quick cutting may not be your style and it's not quite star wars style
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either but the visuals look great
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the brief moment of characterization that we have from basically gin and mon
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mothma are really the only people who get more than a line or two in this and
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and a force Twitter wickers crazy character with the breathing apparatus
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well lots and lots of desert planets John I feel I feel like there's probably
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some some issues with health there are like they don't show it but everybody in
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the star wars universe smokes
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yeah exactly they just don't show it on that's how you can get deal with the
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hazards of space vaping oh god um yeah I don't know jen is really interesting to
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me as a character i talked about it a little bit on on the incomparable
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podcast but I i'm really curious if they're going to tie her into the main
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story like does she died before episode
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she's not she's obviously not in the rebels hanger like she's she's not
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around and i don't know if you read any of the extended universe books but like
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one of my thoughts was well are they going to do a Mara Jade style thing
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very gray for a long time and that the the possibility of telling a story like
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a Star Wars story that's not light side and a dark side that is like that
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centers around a great character that that part really excites me and that's
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kind of what the trailer seem to be flirting with was the idea of like yeah
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we're not we're not going to tell us a story about a grand arcade and Joseph
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Campbell story we're going to tell a story about like the people who have to
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make the hard decisions who aren't you know who don't always get to stand on
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the side of light or the side of dark and no it's okay i'm excited
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also i'm still kind of like there are a lot of potential good things here it
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but I was already kind of pessimistic about the move
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but it did think that it's just disappointing because to me it wasn't a
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great trailer to me a great trailer makes me similar to say i want to see
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that movie today and rode one trailer did not do that for me at all it just
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kind of gave me and I can wait
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yeah I really like trailer alright alright well that's why you know and
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have is good to have different exactly exactly exactly i know yeah I feel like
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you're allowed to not like the trailer and I'm allowed to like the trailer and
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I hope that the first real trailer is a little bit less cuddy i'm in part
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because you know they have all there's a lot of really pretty really pretty
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scenes that look like they were being shot in the half a second that we got
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did you think it was weird that the death star seemed fully constructed I
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mean I didn't show it in a long shot they only showed like they should like
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the dish put in so who knows maybe if you pull back and where it's you know
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good yeah there might still be like the bits and pieces we've seen in progress
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death stars before right
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well I want and that makes me wonder how close are we to a new hope right because
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dish or maybe they have to replace the firing wish I don't know there's there's
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so many so many opportunities for antics yeah all right anything you want to talk
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about this week
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hi you know what no I yeah I feel like we've we've covered we've covered good
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things I'm oh I actually I saw speaking of Star Wars to close down Star Wars I
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am i watch The Force awakens uh that behind-the-scenes documentary that was
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included with the with the itunes extras because of course force awakens is on
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dvd/blu-ray itunes etc everywhere in the US and I think the UK gets it later this
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week and that was really awesome
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I just like good good documentary overall but the highlight of it is they
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show on they have a scene of like oh you know Harrison Ford is entering our model
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of the millennium falcon for the first time and they there in the documentary
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they they clip or they could cut between finished clips of the movie and then the
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behind-the-scenes of one this is
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all happening I and there's just this really nice moment where you start on
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the the actual scene of Han like walking into the the cockpit of the Millennium
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Falcon and doing the the smile and the self-satisfied like we're finally here
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and then you cut to the behind-the-scenes and you see him out of
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frame he's pulled up
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he's pulled two tiny little dice from his pocket and he hangs them up on one
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of the like higher switches in the Millennium Falcon's cockpit is just like
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not big fuzzy dice like miniature versions of tiny fuzzy dice and hangs
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them and that he sits down and smiles that I'm just like this is that's that's
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the true heart of Star Wars right there
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I personally wanted their word tiny little non fuzzy dice in the new hope I
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think yeah I think that's all back to that exactly i think i think he's been
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carrying around those tiny fuzzy dice for like 40 years and just brought it
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back alright i have not watched it on home video yet i've been saving it
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we still have a lot of contention in our household over over what happened that's
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oh oh oh yeah I i understand that that was very good
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we watched it last night for for Rick's birthday and it was definitely a it was
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definitely a contentious seen even the dogs don't like it
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oh yeah you did the thing where you watch with vba to write i did i did i
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watched i watched bits and pieces with the with its it that's that right gets
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so chatty it's it's really funny to do it not as a like I wouldn't suggest
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doing it if you really want to pay attention to the movie but if you want
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to get a kick and while having it on in the background
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bb-8 will talk pretty much non-stop about any scene that has him in it
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anything that has pode amber and it or anytime the characters make what
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little head
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super cute it's a pretty cool feature so anyway I'd long story short as if you
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have that little BBA toy that you can drive with your with your iphone if you
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watch the movie with that toy the bb-8 watches along with you in reacts its
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duplicate you have to have the bb-8 in its base because the battery and you
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have to have your phone plugged in
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and the app open which is like the dumb part but still pretty fun them all right
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Thank You serenity people can find all the serenity they want on Twitter whats
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fracture the place where you can get your photos printed directly on class
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talk to you soon
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yeah thanks very much for having me thank you something
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