00:00:00 ◼ ► mg job long time no long time no hear ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/0">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► are you very good been too long so what it what are you up to these days what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► are you what the hell are you doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/9">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► so uh I came back from the UK i was over there for a year helping to set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/11">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► google ventures European operations over there and with that off the ground and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/17">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► came back a about i guess more than six months ago now is sometime last summer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/22">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► it's actually we're going to work heading back to the UK for the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/27">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► time in since we left so it's almost been a year anyway so back on the ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/31">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► in san francisco now back just to doing us google ventures now called GV is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/37">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► part of the alphabet stuff in Essos google ventures is one of the alphabet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/45">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► companies that's a sister company now to google versus being you know under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/50">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► google same same basic idea but they would prefer we use the name GV instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/55">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► of google ventures now right as part of the whole if it's really a sibling to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/63">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► google and part of alphabet it shouldn't be called google right exactly so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/69">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► yeah so back but doing the same stuff just a investing in the you know mainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/73">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► early stage early to mid-stage companies here I what you do you think that having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/79">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► spent a whole year in $YEAR in the UK when you came back did it did you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/85">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► at at the the valley culture and sort of feel like you have fresh eyes or did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/93">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► feel like it just instantly like you know what I'm home it's a good question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/99">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► because I did think about that the longer sort of i was over there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/103">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► obviously we are coming back fairly regularly i think it was back at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/107">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► once a quarter in the US and mainly in the bay area when I came back but still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/111">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► the longer i was over there you do start to get detached from it and i felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/116">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► i was able to look at it from much more of a outsider perspective after having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/122">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► lived in the area for almost 10 years you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/127">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► it it was interesting coming back and you do feel like you get just like sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/134">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► of right back into the swing of things almost like you hadn't left the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/140">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► time I had these lingering remembrances of of what it was like being over in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/143">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► UK and sort of watching remotely both because of what we talked about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/148">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► timezone thing was was one of the more interesting things when I would wake up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/152">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► in the morning it was mostly either people who are up really late for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/156">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► who are out drinking or something like that on twitter and so i would i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/160">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► have a much much different usage of Twitter when I was over there then I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/165">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► when I'm over here and it's just sort of in the in the thick of it with everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/170">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► when I'm over there it's it's almost like you're using it to play catch-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/174">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► and then talking to a few drunk people so but anyway yes so when I when I came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/178">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► back it did I did get right back into the swing of things but i still have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/185">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► these hopefully different perspective on you know and how sort of the outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/189">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► view Silicon Valley versus being in it for a decade and do you think that do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/197">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► you think that outside the valley start-up's are under represented by RR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/207">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► over or more likely to be overlooked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/215">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► yeah like I'd that's my outsider's perspective my outsider's perspective is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/218">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► that inside the valley it the the focus is so insular because there's so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/222">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► things going on in so many smart people and so many interesting things that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/227">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► it it cultivates an idea that everything worth looking at is in the valley yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/233">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► that's a good way to frame because most people you know talk about well you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/237">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► too far in the forest and you know you guys are just missing sort of what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/241">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► outside of the valley the reality of the situation at least from my perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/246">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► is sort of what you're suggesting which is that there are so many interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/249">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► things going on in Silicon Valley that it's it's honestly just hard as a matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/253">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► of time to be able to look outside of it unless you happen to be in a locale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/257">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► that's outside of it so most of the people here who are investing here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/262">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► or certain companies here uh you know our that you know very much in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/266">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► the thick of it and so it is it is probably it's definitely fair to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/272">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► that you know sort of outside of Silicon Valley is on her represented under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/277">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► represented in the minds of everyone here but i do think that that's just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/282">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► much of a function of again there being so much here to think about and look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/287">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► and so it's it's a it's just the proximity and time issue but then when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/293">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► you move to somewhere else like London or any other locale you know then of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/299">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► course you're you're closer to some of those things and so you start to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/304">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► outside of that and that's not just say whether or not you know it's it's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/307">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► or bad thing I think overall everyone would agree it's sort of a bad thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/312">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► have blind spots to something if if you're not aware of it but uh you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/315">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► it's it's an easier thing that said than done when when the proximity thing is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/322">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► such a key factor know what I'm trying to think since the last time you've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/327">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► what are some of the big high level changes to the type of stuff we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/337">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► well apple still doomed he had more doom than ever that the more the more money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/341">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► they make them you know the heart the farther they would fall so it's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/348">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► it's a catastrophic fall that's that's happening i think that you know only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/352">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► made whatever what did they make 50 50 billion in revenue last quarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/356">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► yeah i think so and 10 10 billion in profit it's more than you know all all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/365">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► the major other tech companies combined it's a it's way more than any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/369">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► company of course including Exxon and all the maybe so but uh you know I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/373">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► sit aramco I guess is about to or not a ramco it's um what's the what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/379">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► Saudi 10 i forget the name ID i know i know you're talking about but I forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/384">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► that it sounds like they're about to go public or spun out partially so we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/390">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► about to see how much money potentially that they make and it could be something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/393">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► comfortable dapple so maybe the first time we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/397">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► we get something like that yeah it's not just only compares to the gas and oil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/400">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► yeah and it's kind of funny because we grew up I you know I mean I've even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/406">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► people who are significantly older than us I think I grew up in a world where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/411">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► it's just well of course the gas and oil companies are the biggest companies in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/415">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► the world right it's just it's just like that's the world whereas I it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/419">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► I've I'm old enough now to sort of and you know with all the climate change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/423">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► stuff and and all let you know that the interest in renewable energy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/428">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► everybody's looking at that you know in questioning it and and you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/432">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► it's no longer taken as a given that this is just the way it is right but I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/437">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► did the math love when with all the skepticism with apples you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/443">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► quote-unquote bomb quarter last quarter and it really was true i think i forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/447">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► if it was revenue a project i was looking a profit and yeah it was profit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/452">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► because that's why I I took I took amazon out of the equation because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/455">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► don't try for profit so it's right now it's almost like it's like you're it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/459">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► you're stacking the deck and if in the favor of Apple by comparing amazon but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/464">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► think it was like Google Microsoft and Facebook combine that they had more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/469">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► profit than right which is just yet insane especially like with Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/472">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► who and Google too i think one thing you could google is often you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/477">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► largely has tried for profit but Microsoft famously it you know it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/482">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► the most profitable company in in the industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/487">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► yeah yeah I remember when I you know thinking back to how I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/491">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► remember how long it was 67 years ago or something sort of when I was at its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/495">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► still techcrunch looking trying to cover sort of the day-to-day of putting into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/499">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► context like just how fast apples growing and and how big it is relative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/504">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► some of the other tech companies and I remember both putting it in the context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/507">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► of Microsoft at the time and Microsoft was still leaps and bounds ahead both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/512">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► certainly in profit and I think in still at revenue at that point but the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/515">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► one i remember is HP like HP was so far ahead and revenue that it seemed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/522">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► Apple would never be able to surpass something like that and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/528">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► you know it's like 18 months later it was it was so far in the rearview mirror [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/531">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► even that even the HP brand and ipods couldn't change that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/537">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► that's right they somehow didn't didn't write the ship and now it's like now HP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/542">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► has been spun out or it's got split up once right and I think they just sold a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/545">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► separate a part of the enterprise version that was spun out so it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/549">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► three separate companies now that was the the one behemoth at that point that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/554">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► seemed seem like you know a tech company could never top of those those types of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/558">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► yeah and it's like HP is one of those coming I ever had a great interest in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/565">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► hewlett-packard you know I mean but they were at least relevant to this fear of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/569">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► things that i read and now it's almost like when an article comes up with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/574">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► review of like an HP laptop or something i'm like wow HP haven't thought about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/577">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► yeah I am the same way just don't even think about it is basically only when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/583">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► like see on tech named the earnings report of HP and that's like the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/587">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► time i'll see like the headline of like yeah they they beat or they slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/591">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► missed or whatever on on their their targets for the it's like it's it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/596">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► such a mind-numbing you know headline to read like just don't have time to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/600">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► care that much anymore about HP what's the name of microsoft tablet surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/606">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► surface service so i just saw a review the other day where we're HP came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/613">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► with like more or less their competitor to the surface and it's it's like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/620">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► just like a surface and and their advertising it but you can open it up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/626">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► like you know replace the ram and you can look through this and that and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/630">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► know it's like all this stuff that was like the things people wanted to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/634">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► their pcs like 10 years ago but then like the bottom line is so it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/639">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► like a surface and out-of-the-box it's thicker and heavier like yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/642">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► great good job at your luck with a UH but it so it's just it's a tablet that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/647">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► yeah i'll try to find the review and i'll put the link in the show that show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/656">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► notes oh it's at it I'd it's just like yeah I don't have some division [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/660">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► HP is still making these things in it you know it squeaked out the side but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/664">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► yeah there it's you know it's the office space guy with the red stapler in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/670">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► basement was just doing this and no one realizes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/674">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► yeah exactly right he's still down there making laptop and it's like looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/678">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► around the industry news like well I guess that's the new form back but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/683">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► you are a I think I a you've been bullish on uber right Shirin and I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/691">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► you know Stevie's a pretty big investors right yeah it right so it's you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/705">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► know let's just go lows and everytime TVs and investment in somebody right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/711">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► I I feel like that again you know not having had you on the show in a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/715">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► time that to me that the ride sharing and you know it doesn't have to be over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/720">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► in particular but it's it's a it it seems to be accelerating at a dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/726">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► almost crazy rate and I could be wrong maybe like one thing I had a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/736">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► years ago I don't know because about 10 years ago there were a lot here in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/740">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► philly especially the zipcars was a pretty common yeah and you'd see them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/745">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► and I always noticed it because I notice branding and stuff that you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/750">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► cars all had zipcars printed on the side and I knew where all the parking lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/754">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► were where where they were and it was something that when we were shopping for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/758">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► a car 10 years ago we considered it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/763">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► we've really strongly thought maybe we don't have to buy a car maybe we could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/766">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► just do the zipcars thing but it's like we we kind of like pretended you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/769">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► like well let's pretend it's a rainy day and how far do we have to go and as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/774">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► guess it's pretty far so we didn't we didn't go for we bought a car but I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/777">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► noticed in this is totally anecdotal but i don't see anywhere near as many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/781">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► zipcars in Philadelphia as I used to like that seem like that got popular and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/785">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► now it's less popular and I can't help but think that it's it's the rideshare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/790">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► so how actually I the last time I've been in Philadelphia a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/797">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► well before over and left and whatnot existed so it's over pretty ubiquitous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/803">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► yeah people get around well I can't speak for the whole city of Philadelphia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/808">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► Philadelphia and center city philadelphia is you know the downtown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/812">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► part of philadelphia is all centralized it's one continuous rectangular black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/815">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► and with in center city philly it's you know it it never more than five minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/819">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► wait for a black car or SUV and I don't really do the you Rex but it's I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/825">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► it's even less for that and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/831">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► yep it's really really i justjust philly have public good public transportation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/833">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► really bad public transportation i would i would qualify it as mediocre we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/837">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► to subway lines when it goes east west and one that goes north south so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/844">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► just effectively just like a plus that goes right through the center of you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/848">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► right through the center of the city so like in the sporting complex all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/853">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► the the Phillies the Eagles the Sixers all of this stuff is all in one big area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/857">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► way down in South Philly so it's easy from that if i'm going to a game i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/863">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► walked to the what we call the broad street line the one that goes north [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/867">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► south up on that and go south and it's great if you want to go anywhere off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/870">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► that plus grid it's not so great i mean there's buses but yeah now I mean even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/875">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► in the cities now with great public transportation New York obviously London [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/881">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► be another it's still you're still seeing uber lyft and and all all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/885">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► rest sort of just taking over and becoming huge and all these markets just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/890">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► because I mean I think there's a number of things at play but but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/894">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► convenience factor of course like just dialing up something in it and it being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/898">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► there right at your doorstep and taking you exactly to where you need to go you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/902">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► know just make sense for a lot of people you you talked about your your wife and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/908">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► yourself sort of thinking about it zip code makes sense you know when Megan my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/912">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► wife and I moved over to London we sold our cars here in San Francisco and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/916">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► when we came back you know we we thought about what what should we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/922">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► and right now we still don't have cars been almost a year neither one of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/926">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► and we do use over to get everywhere basically a few times we've rented a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/930">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► like if we're going you know for an extended trip up north or down south but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/936">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► for you know 99 percent of our our travel now is with uber and I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/942">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► to preface that a little bit because I know I sound like the you know that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/947">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► sound like a silicon valley perhaps stereotype [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/950">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► yeah we can get everywhere we need to go on over but like the reality is in a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/954">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► of I think metro areas now it can be cheaper depending on your situation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/958">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► depending on what you need to do is obviously a little bit different if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/966">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► have children and and some other life situations but for the situation that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/968">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► were currently in it's definitely cheaper for us to to use something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/973">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► uber and uber X and we were pool like you know the the carpooling version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/978">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► it to get around a city vs owning a car having to pay insurance having to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/982">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► for gas having to pay for parking and everything else that's included [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/986">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► yeah and it's just it's just one of those things that like it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/990">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► opened my eyes to just Iike I know it sounds so obvious it sounds such a duh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/994">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► but it's like God look at all these cars that are parked every other and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► know that this is part of the just the basic argument but it's that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► industry is right for transportation but when you're in a city and used to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► cars parked everywhere and you see you know buildings that are just parking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► garages just stacked with cars and you just think all these cars are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► sitting here for hours and hours and hours and you think like you know in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► in / is you know is always in motion yeah i mean i think that's a good point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► and it's something that that gets talked about a little bit but not enough and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► think it will be talked about more and more as this becomes more of the reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► in more places but you're exactly right like imagine the future you know whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► it's it's uber and lyft or the eventual sort of self-driving car elements where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► all the sudden all of these spaces and cities are unlocked they're just used as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► you said to sort of like how scars that just sit there all day which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► ridiculous so much so much of city life is taken up by these giant parking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► is that when you can unlock that you no longer need those like cities become you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► know much better as a result of having all that space sort of freed up and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► can put any number of things there anything you want all these you know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► knows how much square footage is out there that's that's just devoted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1076">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► yeah it's it's you know and when you think about it and you just don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► know again it's like you know when I first came to philly you know and in for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► college in the early nineties it i just assumed that the city would be full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► cars so that's just the world as I knew it but as I you know question it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► yeah i still do wonder so I grew up in a suburb outside of Cleveland and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► it's a fairly typical yeah you know Midwestern like suburb and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► obviously it's not super dense and you have to drive everywhere and so I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► been home a few times you know in the past few years and it's they have over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► and I do take it but it's not nearly as of course as ubiquitous as it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► in the city like even in downtown Cleveland it would be a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► ubiquitous of course and so I do wonder for like the the suburbs and outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► reasons like how long that will take the tip but i still think it will like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► just it just I think it will spill out from the cities into that and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► a matter of having enough are you know cars on the roads that are that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► performing those tasks to be able to do it in a suburban areas well like I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► a lot of people still think in the suburbs just not feasible you have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► grocery shopping you know and do all these things that are sort of always a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► drive away but again at scale i'm not so sure that that's totally unreasonable i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► was listening to one bill simmons podcast recently and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► he and i think only half in jest he has a theory that because of uber there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► more people having accidental third kids because over the existence of uber makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► it so much easier for like parents with kids to go out and have a couple drinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1196">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► yeah then they would in the past like if you had to drive some one of the two of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► you would have to you don't have to abstain and if both of you know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► just take an uber to dinner you can both you know you can both drink and so his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► theory there's gonna be a lot more families with three kids instead it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► hey boomer you know like a right who was helping the world in in in families with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► families that's what it's all about but there's it's it seems funny because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► you know it's just a funny idea that people are going to do have extra baby's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► butt but there's a certain logic to yeah you think it's me donated that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► it's sort of the the flip side of that just in general isn't it great to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► like with when you go out in a city or or not anywhere really you know when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► want to have a few drinks like you just do not have to worry about it you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► that just was not the reality 10 years ago of course right and there's parts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► philly you know this man doesn't matter it doesn't mean anything to you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► you're not here but like an area we call fishtown and and like the gentrified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► area like the part that was really kind of sketchy even 10-15 years ago and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► there's all that sort of like that that's where all the hipsters stuff yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► but there's lots and like I mean it because of that there's it's all sorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► of no new restaurants that open up open up in that area and it's always even now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► that it's more popular grossly under served by cabs so like you can get a cab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► to go there easily but then when you want to leave you are you know good luck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► you know you can and it's actually the type of thing where you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► actually like call a cab company which seems like such an old-timey thing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► but then you know you wait and it's like everytime i remember from gonna be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► stuff like that if i did call for a cab you know you could wait half an hour and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► then they don't come oh yeah I mean that was that was very much the reality of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► the situation when I got to san francisco almost 10 years ago and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► course this is you know that everyone knows the thing now like part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► reason why you were came into existence i mean the main story was like they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► in Paris and and sort of a a tech conference and sort of talking about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► know like wouldn't it be cool to have a black car service or whatever but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► reality is that when they got back to San Francisco everyone was living in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► this reality we're san francisco public transportation was awful and it still is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► awful outside over you know muni is the the line here that some the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► transportation that goes down all the time and is always running late and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► it's a constant joke if you follow like mat Honan on on Twitter it's like fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► percent of his tweets are complaining about muni and then we have the BART [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► system which is that we have all these like sort of half-baked public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► transportation things but when i moved to san francisco i lived in an area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► called russian hill which was not connected to any where near any of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► aside from the cable cars which I would take every once in a while which is sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► of ridiculous because it's very much you know like a tourist thing and so I'm on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► there with you know 50 tourists and I'm trying to take this to commute into soma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► and it takes forever because it was slow to appreciate the view or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► that was the reality of public transportation for me when I moved to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► San Francisco and yes so like you would see a cab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► every once in awhile but if you if you would have to get lucky to sort of spot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► one out there and that was even still like a better situation than trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► call one i mean i remember i would call them from my apartment in russian hill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► and and it would be often like a 45-minute wait and about half the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► they just wouldn't show up at all so you couldn't trust it and so like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► people are talking about you know like like there's a simple things that led to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► the rise of of services like uber and they're just why the the cab companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► get all mad like you know that that this is happening to them it's like I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/1433">TS</a>]
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00:35:24 ◼ ► a lot of the test was now we're rolling out these like software updates to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► like autonomous driving in some capacity like when it's on the freeway and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► whatnot so they could end up being something like that I'd I just feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► the timeline doesn't add up to bank on self-driving my my best guess and it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► sound so like like I'm trying to have it every way I'm not you know I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► making a front prediction but my guess is that Apple is working on electric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► cars that they are absolutely working on self-driving technologies and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► know let's say that earlier i think the earliest they could possibly actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► unveil an apple-branded car is like 20 20 so even even if there's some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► apple magic that throwing their resources at that then that proves me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► I mean it just seems crazy to go from not having a car a other than as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► secret project to actually having them on the road that you can by 2019 seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► like Fantasyland by 2020 will self-driving cars be there that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► could do like the not even have your hands on the you know not even be paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► I just don't see that as possible and even just legally right even if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► technology I think the technology is going to get there before the laws yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► but i mean that's that's a hundred percent sure I mean I guess they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► keep maybe you could look at it it's sort of like the way you know like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► iphone role that right like there were armed faster 3g services at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► right but they rolled out without 3g and so like maybe it is still the case even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► if there was a self-driving cars out on the road and like or us a 75-percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► self-driving it's like it could be self-driving beyond like a few you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► areas where it's not it's possible that Apple would just roll out it is not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► know not all advertised or whatever as as self-driving because they don't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► it's a good enough experience yet and that's that I could see that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► that world where it's like you know maybe maybe who was something out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► maybe we were maybe Tesla and they're they're building the Morris self-driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► but apples a bit more sort of cautious on that front and and and really waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► for it to be like a fully self driving thing before they go down that road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► yeah that's exactly what i think is that they're they're planning for that full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► steam ahead but that they are also planning i'm guessing to ship a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2275">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► before thats ready yeah and that exactly you know the analogy to 3G and LTE but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► 3g is the perfect example because their 3g was actually there were 3g phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► it's actually one of the you know if you go back and look at the claim chapter of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► the people who hoop and the original iphone they'd be like it's not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► I i think it's that sort of thing where they're like look for practical purposes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► we're going to go with edge for this one and you know we'll pick up 3g years but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► do you think that they would do the sort of like with testicles done so they roll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► out one high-end you know the test started with the roadster which is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► super high-end super fancy sports right and then in yuan muskan that in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► great blog post many years ago laid out exactly what they were going to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► what they're now going off right that they would then roll out a cheaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► version and then sort of a SUV type version and then like the cheapest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► version you know sort of the mass-market version do you think Apple would take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► that approach something akin to that where they do sort of one at a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► first throwing out like say two models you know like a high-end version and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► then more like the sedan 44 regular folks or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► prime prior to Apple watch i would have said one for sure because that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► Apple always drives right there's one iphone there's one ipad here it is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► is the ipad and only years down the road are there things like ipad pros and iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► minis and you know low end models with two-year-old at systems-on-chip and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► high-end models with the latest and greatest only your cetera but without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► I i think i don't know i don't i don't know that you know maybe Apple why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► keep thinking that maybe Apple watch is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► not that was that not the only reason they did it was a test for the car but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► that it it lays out the formula for the car where they might do three right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► Apple car sport right 20,000 25,000 dollars or something like that twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► thirty thousand dollars Apple car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► $50,000 and the Apple car edition you know for 400,000 quick arm i I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► laughing but part of the reason i say that is that I know that there's enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► you know executives at apple or I've been to the apple parking lot there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► a lot of really nice cars in in the infinite loop parking lot people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► work at Apple have nice cars it's almost like I've and we know like Johnny Ivan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► and filler and who else um Eddy Cue right he was I thinking on the board of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► Lamborghini i think yeah yeah yeah so they're obviously car guys there they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► like their fancy correct yeah so you know how you know how do you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► they're already car guys who like exotic cars how does Apple get into it without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► making an exact well into to tie it back to what we were talking about earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► you know we're talking about in the context of Hoover like not needing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► own a car anymore like if we're talking about let's say it's it's 2020 so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► you know a little less than four years states for years from now for five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► now and more people are in the space of what you know sort of you and your wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► or debating and me and my wife now live in in let's just say in urban areas at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► least in in city areas that they feel like they don't need to own a car like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► is it weird for Apple to be making a car that they would potentially be selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► for whatever $50,000 in a world where a decreasing number of people are buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► cars that's a great question that's part of why I find this whole topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► fascinating because there's so many trends that are moving right there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► that that we've talked about him but there's the you know gas to electric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► there's the self-driving is coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► there's and then like you there's this whole shared in a ride-sharing thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► where people just a home cars . i think my guess is that ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► fewer and fewer people are buying cars but Apple can enter and if you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► to buy a car they're gonna they're gonna have a compelling right all right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► know that it's easy to say sure look fewer people are buying cars but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► you know people also said fewer people are buying launches fewer people where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► watch than ever before that's true that's good . because i was gonna I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► gonna say like pcs for people are buying pcs right but that mac is still doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► well relatively speaking but would they enter that world now you know knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► its overall shrinking world and that this would say they wouldn't but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► it's a calculation you have to make yeah I i totally I think so but i just think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► that the market for cars is so big that so many you know there are so many car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► companies and so many you know it's just so much money in the industry overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► that even if its shrinks you know significantly that a apple can take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► sizable chunk of the profitable end of that market and it still is right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► it's a potential you know talking going back to the what is the next iphone it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► a one of the potential things that could actually match the iphone like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► we're all I think everyone i would assume you're an agreement now like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► and always have been but like that even at the AA the best-case scenario for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► Apple watch it cannot match what the iphone did just because of the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► subsidy model you know and a way that that the world just worked back then in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► the watch has nothing like that even if Apple sells more of them overall they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► not going to make as much money off of it because it's just a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► business right there's no way even no matter how popular Apple watch because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► it's not going to sell in the quantity that iphone does and each one they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► sell is going to sell for at least half the price if not even less than half the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2636">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► price of of the iphone to the right because almost everybody gets the sport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► which is a mistake guys with a lower price product it's a lower price which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► one did you advise know I should've bought a sport i bought the the regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► apple watch not the addition i bought the the regular one and I just like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► don't know why I did that I did that because I thought it would be slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► different or whatever but it definitely should have gotten the sport anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► yeah i've mentioned i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i have the spot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► i'm actually wearing it today i have the the regular one with the space black and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► I do like a link style bracelet and it is a wonderful breaking out and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► very comfortable but I'm i really think that the sport models are superior just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► because the taptic engine works better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► yeah and it wasn't supposed to have a slightly better screen i was a remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► like something slightly better huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► it's the the display isn't any better but the surface of the display on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► spun on the regular apple watches sapphire that's right other one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► whatever I on my hood class you know so it's does pick up fine scratches got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► but I've looked at my son's my son worse as an Apple watch from a live i guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► around a year and where is it a lot and you know he's a twelve-year-old kid and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► he's you know it's not like he's taking good care but I've looked at the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► and it does have fine scratches but it's no different than any other you know nan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► sapphire coded watch that I've worn it yeah you know and when you actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► looking at the displayed on the scratches argued you can't see them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► have to do the thing where you turn it display off and kinda find a glare a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► glaring light source to source right spot the scratch right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► yes so but anyway the so yeah most people are buying the cheaper version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► and so the car you know high-end cars are one of the few things that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► produce the types of revenues that would match iphone potentially a massive scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► right or it at least be like the same class of plan right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► I don't you know I mean like so maybe the iphone is still Jupiter but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► it's still going to you know the car potentially is another you know gas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► giant could be like Neptune or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► as opposed to the apple watch is really just like another Venus or Mars or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► yes I gets a planet it's running on its not Pluto it's a real planet but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► come on you can't compare to Jupiter but the car could be just because the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► third eat you know it could easily sell for thirty thousand dollars quite frank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► you know let's example so it's probably more so I know you want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► the Peter till thing too as well and and we can get to that but before we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► still on the top example the one thing that I've been thinking about a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► recently is the whole Alexa and you know they're the rumors now I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► information have to report the other day that apple would be working on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► potential echo competitor and of course google announced their home thing at i/o [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2816">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► which is the echo competitor and sort of i'm interested in your take on on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/2823">TS</a>]
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00:59:10 ◼ ► don't have kids at you have a son like this your son use it like no not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► he just he studied I he kind of thinks it's pointless because but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► nothing he really wants to know from it that we have hooked up yeah we have on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► she did have fun is the family the one one or two nite playing music and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► calling out you know and then it's it's funny because it's like if there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► song on and any one of the three of us doesn't like it you can tell Alexa to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► yeah and I think that that's I think that's been stated i don't know if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► by amazon or not that that's one of the main use cases of course is playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► playing the music and it's um yeah it's pretty I it's a seamless way to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► hey Alexa and said hey you don't have to say hey force alexa play you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3593">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► on pandora or whatever and you can hook up obviously amazon music you can hook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► up Pandora you can't hook up Apple music right now right so and so there's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► don't expect apple to get on that quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► yeah now uh I don't care but so that's one big use case so the other thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► it obviously has a decent speaker but it's not great it's not like a so no sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► or something like that and you can hook up because we also got that . thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► know the . yes smaller one is an aside the one thing I loved about that rollout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► was the fact that in order to first order a . you actually had to order it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► through the echo you had to say like uh alexa order me a . and I knew what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► knew what it was I mean my wife actually did it and within three minutes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► whatever it confirms and so we had a weird . ordered income and shipping to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► our house and we got inventory and work beautifully and you couldn't order it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► the website at least $PERCENT of the time when they were when they first sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3656">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► of rolled that out so that was the sort of fascinating i don't think you can now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► I mean I just searched amazon Franco don't see it go . let me see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► so you know wha where they do have it you can get it you can get a code . 489 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► um you know it's hilarious now so I just was giving that whole spiel and I sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► of god I just triggered Alexa and she's now playing music in my bedroom so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► in my office right now 11 room down from the bedroom i all the sudden heard this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► music and I'm like is my wife home did you start playing music cuz I thought I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► heard a voice it was lexa and it was Alexis saying now playing whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► so that's just music playing in the bedroom right now I stand corrected so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► there is a webpage on amazon for the echo . but it says X available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► exclusively from alexa code is available in limited quantities and exclusively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► for prime members through alexboys shopping so i think that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► ingenious because it obviously makes it so that first and foremost only sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► hardcore hardcore users are going to to be able to get it and get it that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► and people who already understand right be they have to have Alexa neco so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► right to be able to do it so it doesn't need like you know some sort of new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► learning curve of a sudden because you should already know how to use it based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► yeah i think the music playing is clearly you know the the end when this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► rumor from the information came out that Apple's to a device like this it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► works and that they've been working on it for quite a while a bunch of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► so why why I have my phone with me everywhere I go you know if I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► use Siri why do I need why wouldn't world I want another device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► I don't know what else they have planned for I don't know what other home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► integration you know home kit type features they might have in mind for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► what kind of a hub it might be for your entire home but the speaker alone makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► sense for Apple to do just because music is still such a big part of what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3776">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► yep yeah and I'm sort of surprised that you know they were i know that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► they're they're almost never the first mover in these types of things but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► sort of surprised that some sort of combination of things didn't lead them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► down this path earlier whether it be the airport express or apple TV as like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► basically the way to do this like they're all those rumors remember that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► Apple TV was going to be the hub of their of their whole home initiative and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► maybe that's still ends up being the case but like that was the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► about like why is it running iOS and of course apps but also maybe you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► the home kit stuff and yeah i'm sort of just a little surprised that they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► make a all-in-one type device and especially like knowing you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► the popular it's things like Sonos in the end they're obviously they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► work with us to get Apple music is one of the first things on there but maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► it was I think you made the joke the other day maybe it was the ipod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► high-five thing that started to persuade them from doing that because that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► that's what i wanted to call it i wanted the college Syria have the trademark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► but yeah it seems like a I think the way someone was saying this the other day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► and Twitter that it's great that we have like Alexa and and it's cool that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► can sort of hook it up to sonos it's a pain honestly because you have to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► through like the back of the device and through a cable it's not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► seamless at all and now we have things like 0 and like you know the new the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► newfangled routers that are out like it seems like someone should combine all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► yes i think so but you run into I've thought about this right you it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► it seems like a big a big but like it just thinking about my house now like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► the cable comes in in the living room and it's sort of like that's where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► the router needs to be i mean i right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► guess I could you know I i I'd have to like wire the house with internet our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► Ethernet or something or get the cable company to come out and put another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► cable connector somewhere else if I wanted it to be in the kitchen you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► because I Maxwell music to play you know what I mean it's like I don't know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► not cleared or III understand yes so that's like it that's one issue but sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► of i don't know if you've had a chance to play around with like things like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► euro and there's some other ones coming out that are you know these these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► newfangled routers that that allow you to better spread internet over your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► entire house I always it's better I have a box downstairs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► that's full of euro kit and it's still a oxide it just came the other day and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3956">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► haven't had a chance to look at it so it on my radar and i'm going to set it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► but yeah you should I mean we have we have one set up now and it's great it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► a it's surprisingly great how well it works compared to what I previously just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► had a an airport extreme both it a bit extreme and then I'd like an express and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► I had like things like doing bridging and you know trying to get good service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► in my in the bedroom and then in the office and nothing has worked as well as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► and so I wonder if sort of this this device things that we're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► yeah you have the main hub in the living room that's that's sort of connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► the still necessary for whatever reason cable modem and then everything else is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► like a satellite version sort of like the deco . right it's like a smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► version of it so no matter what room you're in your cups you're covered by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► it's sort of like what you have with sonos now for people who have sonos in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4015">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► multiple rooms you know they it wirelessly connect to it you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► wired of course but most people I think to the wireless version and so so some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► device it's like a combination of all these things so you have the speaker you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► have the voice assistant type thing and and you have your Wi-Fi all in one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► I mean that seems like we're all this should go but I i would imagine it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► take awhile for for someone to actually connect that all together to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► work well yeah and it's just you know Apple has very you know right at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► forefront of Wi-Fi you know i have been making base stations or whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► want to call them you know the thing that great Wi-Fi in your house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► I mean apples been doing it emanate they were one of the first companies to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► really go public with it remember the shoulder demo indeed he just jumped onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► yeah it was actually to prove that the ibook was getting the internet over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► answer i was like her to 410 and like phil schiller actually performed a stunt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► on states like he take off a 10 foot high thing under like a padded landing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► thing and then showed that the that the ibook was still getting internet so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► apples been doing that for a long time I think that at this point it's it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► seems like it's too fiddly especially for a house compared you know of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► apartment you know it's easy to fill it with with your Wi-Fi but you know even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► here we haven't set up pretty good right now we just have the airport extreme I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► don't have any of the satellite devices like i used to have and it you know goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► up one floor to my office and it's pretty good and it goes up two floors to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► good enough good enough that it doesn't make me want to get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► another thing but even one floor down in our garage it's gone so like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► it's like one floor down from where the router is and you want to update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► something on your phone quick it's like sometimes you have to like to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4137">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► fiddly thing when you turn off Wi-Fi because it's yeah that yeah yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► should try 20 thing I think you like all I'm doing is like I told you it's down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► hit in the house so it's it's a sure thing that I will that I will try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► yeah so I don't know maybe that's that's what happens going with and I can't help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► but think that if if the information report is correct that they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► working on this device for quite a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► I mean like according to the information years it kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► it can't just be a speaker that listens for Siri because they that have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► if it's taken Apple years to do a speaker that listens for Siri that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► that's a problem it has to be a little bit more ambitious than that in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► serving as some kind of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► hey you don't have to buy these six different things you can just buy this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► plug this thing in and then you're set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► well and you brought it up I mean the importance of music certainly to apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► and you know they obviously know the popularity of something like Sonos n it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► do you think then it would be just as predicated right being a great speaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► sort of a sonos competitor with Siri built-in is that that may be what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► maybe that's what I you know and and what they launched it as a family of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► devices at the beginning so that you can you know put them throughout your house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► I mean that seems to be one area that and I obviously amazon is is working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► it as a solution because they have these . devices that are meant to be satellite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► devices and I know where to go home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► people asked when they announced it at i/o last week what if you have two of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► these things and they're like well we're working on that will get back right hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► yes and the amazon so the . like so in general I think the consensus is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► echo speaker is ok it's it's it's good enough you know for for casual listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► or whatever and the . one is considered to be much more subparts obviously much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► smaller it's just a tiny little thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► that's why it has sort of the output to be able to hook it into a speaker and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4257">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► that's what they suggest you do actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:02 ◼ ► so I wouldn't like if I rapel i would imagine that the way to do it is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4262">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► what we were talking about to do like a really great speaker like a SonoSite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► speaker with the Serie capability built-in and I think that would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► great device for a lot of people i don't know how much that would cost you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► and like it do they run the risk of it being another hifi like device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► yeah that's just sort of like an each product that's that's interesting to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► few people i think not i think it's a lot more interesting to do it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► especially with everything we just talked about with alexa but I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► with a high-five they've really it it was I mean what I know for a fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► Steve Jobs was a huge fan of the hifi he really was and I mean I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► obviously he's willing to you know you know if it wasn't selling it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► selling even if he liked it so it wasn't like kept it around just because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► liked it but I know he liked it and and they really put I was what was before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4316">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► was regularly attending their press events and I was not at the at the intro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► event for it but i remember reading about it and they really went all out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► and they set up I Jason Snell was there and he was talking about a few weeks ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► when he was on the show that the right there in like the upstairs area where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► they do the press briefings that the press events above the hall they brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► in you know they made like an ikea almost like when they made a whole bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► of like living rooms you know better and of course you know like Apple they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► them they were really nice you know they made all these laid like furnish the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► whole place is like an apartment complex and then had you know individual people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► you come in and it wasn't just like a hit play and listen to a few seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► they wanted you to like relax sit on the couch pretend you live here and listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► to this everybody drink right and they really push like hate doesn't this sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► amazing like they really really wanted to make that like I mean I i had i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► didn't buy one so i don't know i don't know how good it sounded but Apple at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► least really went all out at least in terms of marketing is pitching it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► being high quality audio so I think that's one area where they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► definitely get a leg up on echoes echo it's good it's not bad it's just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► know good enough for like a speaker in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► kitchen to play music but it's not great and so that plus like a great speaker + [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► what what you know you mentioned from the information report with the Serie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► api's which obviously everyone's been clamoring for sincere II came out so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► that plus the ability to do much more than what up the echo can do because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► echo has an API obviously and a lot of people are playing around with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► doing some interesting things that like we mentioned over you know you can call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► an uber from it right now and but it does feel like a it's it's a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► wonky it's a little bit and that wonky necessarily it's just I'm sure you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► the app the app is awful for ya work the for the echo and it's hard to it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► be hard for anyone like even it's even hard for me to figure out how exactly to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► to find things to install and what to install and it looks . awful so Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► will obviously do a better job of that and so it's not a question of like is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► is it leaps and bounds better than what Amazon can do right now if if those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► yeah and I I really i'm really curious what form these api's come in in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► of like it I i can only presume that it'll be apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► somehow I guess apps on your iphone or your iOS device but yes there do need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► have it you need to have that app installed in order to have it bc reread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► what's that well yeah and if it's on multiple devices like how how does your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► serious if it's taking advantage of of a third party extension whatever you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4496">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► to call it like let's just say let's just you know what we've been talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► about them that's just a youtuber right let's say that through an extension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► you're gonna you're gonna allow Siri to hail you a nuber do you have to install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► it on all of your devices like address you would if it's through an app it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► then how did it how would it get too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► the standalone device is I I yeah that's weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► that's a good question because like it seems like it's an either/or thing right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► like either you would need it installed on all your devices that have hooked up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► to your seer like to your hey serious stuff or you would only do it on one so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► it doesn't get confused because like say you have uber installed on that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► don't have an ipad version but you can still obviously install it or not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► states to say you had it on an iPad and your iphone and then you summoned the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► uber via siri-like which 1i I guess it opens but both versions I well I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4556">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► doesn't matter because on the back end it if presuming you were you were tied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► into the same account the same uber account when you open the app it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► know they should be synced right in the back end so i guess it doesn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► matter but there's there's like a lot of more complicated issues like it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► further you go down with that like which which version of the app that's running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► on which device are you something right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► so my guess my best guess is to compare it to apple watch and so let's say they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► open up this serious DK then the uber app on your iOS device could have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► Serie extension and then only on the iOS devices that have the latest version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► the you brap would the Siri integration work but then also maybe you developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► would be able to create like a hifi app and just like the way that it will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► like oh there's an Apple watch app that you can install that there would be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► if you have that the Serie hifi yeah you would have a serious hifi app on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► phone and then you'd go just like you go to the Apple watch app to install an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► on your watch you go to the hifi app to install the extension on your tie the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► that we're getting pretty complicated right i think i see and it's it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► sense to me like that's exactly what i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► it this makes sense to me technically because i can draw a little arrows for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► all the devices and i see ok so you download it to your phone and from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► phone you can install it on your watch and you can install it on the thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► then it seems to me like you're doing an awful lot of fiddly system administrator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► yeah and so is there better like is it just feel the app and now apps require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:59 ◼ ► like I don't know some sort of knew I cloud instance that it that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4679">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► handling it right and that's exactly is the other that it you know just erase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► everything that I just speculate about is there going to be some kind of way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► that a developer would be able to have like an iCloud instance of this API and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► end it and that's a total new territory for apple like that's unlike that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► anything i can think of that Apple's ever done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► yeah yeah I've not I don't know but it's good that they're I think it's smart of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► course that they're playing in the space smart that google is as well like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► these guys are pouring so much so many resources into these assistants and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► know that the whole day I aspect obviously marcos post about apple and AI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► and stuff a unit that they need to be able to get enough data to constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► improve these things and it's almost like table stakes it seems like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4737">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► going to be now that you need to have the home version of whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► assistant thing is to be able to to keep up and remain on par with all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► yeah one of the things i was thinking about it in light of Marcos post the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► other day about it is I was trying to think because I didn't agree with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► I I it was a great post and AG the ways that i disagree it's just all you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► it's not like Marcos dominant like no Marco smart and I actually see the logic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► of what he's saying but something doesn't sit right with me and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► thought about like social networking and social networking is obviously a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► part of the whole industry that we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► I mean facebook is a giant company now and and super influential I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► that's scandals in the last few weeks or a controversy i should say about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► facebook is single-handedly skewing political news and in read us a hugely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► influential instagram is a huge success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► twitter we do know that Twitter's twitter i love it but it's you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► is what it is but it certainly is if I don't want to go down the route of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► talking about Twitter's a business but it's culturally though its influences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► undeniable i always say like the one thing about Twitter they eat it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:27 ◼ ► stunning how everytime i watch TV news and somebody comes on it they tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4827">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► what their twitter handle is however it's it's well and if you watch ESPN at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:36 ◼ ► all it's like yeah it's a significant percentage of ESPN via reporting via [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4836">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► yeah yes pngs sports in the twitters influence in the sports world alone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► astounding and it's it's just crazy especially as we go down the path of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► NBA playoffs and stuff its I don't I think well and now major league baseball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► is a ton of Twitter to so now it's it's just everywhere in sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► Apple has no real social networking and they've even tried twice they had ping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► and then last year the I don't remember what it's called the middle tab of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► music it right-click the thing that's going away right and I hasn't taken off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► hasn't really you know it never gain a foothold but so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► Apple has it in a second level way sort of thrived on social networking because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► people use their iphones to facebook and to Instagram and sweet and yeah it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:34 ◼ ► know it's it's only made the the rise of social networking largely coincides with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4894">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► the rise of the iphone and it's a big part of why i think that there's a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► difference that i was thinking about it and the the voice assistance aren't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► that because the voice assistance to be useful have to be built into the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► like there is a court Anna app there is the google app has all of the googles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4912">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► assistant type stuff you know the the startups that are in this space have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► apps i can't remember that some of their names but you know like yeah it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► operator outfit with vizio that it will be there by descendant of the Syrian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► people yeah right yeah so you can do that but thats it thats that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► doesn't that doesn't make it doesn't work like that you can't say go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► launch an app and then do it it doesn't work like that has to be built into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► system so the one outside the bounds though which would be interested in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► thoughts on then is the facebook Messenger one facebook and it's called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► right so that Facebook obviously famously does not have a phone they run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► on you know other people's devices but they they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► by most accounts have some of the foremost experts in AI working at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► facebook but they so like how do you square that like where do you think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► they where does that come into play because you think like they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► going after AI they think they're going to be a leader in whatever comes of AI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► and certainly these assistant things are are a big part of that at least right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► now and Facebook am is is sort of one of the frontrunners right now for that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► they don't have the system-level integration haha it's a good question on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► it could just be you know to it you know to do the AI while you're in there apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► like and Facebook's advantage is and i say this is someone who doesn't use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► facebook but people you know it's part of what makes them so valuable is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► you know two people spend out now I'll awful lot of people spend an awful lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:38 ◼ ► of time in facebook so they already have them there so they they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5018">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► almost are they almost are like the run system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► yeah that's true that if you're already there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► you're in the area book on your phone or you know well from I think the phone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► probably number one now so you're in facebook you're on your phone any kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5033">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► of AI features that they can offer you it you're already there so yeah it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5036">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► the opportunity good way to frame and I think it's almost like so the browser on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► Mac is not you know sort of politics while they are baked into the system it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► is a separate application that you're running all the time everyone's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► running a browser right and that like facebook on the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► yep is sort of the bracket that's been said before of course but it is in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► context like animating the same thing they even helpfully cheat and use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► audio api to make sure they're literally running on your phone all the time it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► different i keed i keed likely that brings to mind another one of the topics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► in this space that I want to talk about and I've seen an awful lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► bring this up so one of the other rumors it's separate from the information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► report but there's also a rumor that has come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► I know macrumors had it i don't know if it was their original i think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► think it was their original scoop that the next version of mac OS is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5096">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► have Siri built-in yes and a lot of people read that and the question i got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► is why do I have to talk to Siri why can't i just type like spotlight and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► then therefore what we maybe that's the answer may be that spotlight feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► goes away and it's replaced by Cirie and you can either talk to it or type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► yeah that's a good that's a good question i think that that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► thinking about it for a few seconds just how i think that that's probably the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► they should do it I i think it's a little weird like court they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► microsoft is is done this to with Cortana I get a little weird to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► those things on the desktop in this ain't trying to fit them into the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► context as they exist right now on mobile devices because you just use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► desktop and laptop whatever traditional computer differently and you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► like a lot of it is text-based input it's not vocal which sort of ties back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5155">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► to the whole thing of why I also think alexis is important because there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► way to interface that besides voice but you know that's that there's a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► route to go down but uh but yes so I think that Siri is a text-based thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► interesting and that's also like going to facebook em right now it is mainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► texts all chat based alright like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► key so they're doing it the opposite way of what Cirie and alexa and Cortana and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► the google thing I guess is a hybrid right because you can talk to it or it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► can just be I mean the main interfaces like to say okay google and then it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► bit it loads basically it's doing a search query so that's I guess the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► closest thing to that and that would be apple if they did do serie for mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► doing it with the text thing would be I guess most comparable to that maybe want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► you know there's a trick that I just learned recently i didn't know this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► if you do invoke Siri on your iPhone and she hears you wrong you can on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► result screen you pull down on it and to end it shows you what Siri thought you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► said and done if you tap on that you can edit that text / really i didn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► that I I didn't know it either i just learned it in the last week or two from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► someone on Twitter in the midst of talking about all of this i think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► enough in the context of that discussion of why can't you just enter text and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► another is why can't you invoke Cirie and then pull down or something to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► up a text field and just type your query to Syria because there are there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► certain contexts where you can't write what if you're in a quiet area yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► huh yeah I had no idea about that so you can edit text after you've made your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► vocal query to Siri you can edit it as decks but you can't just type it as test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► there's no that's so you should if you want to use that feature you just speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► gibberish to Siri and then just whisper some quick to brush to invoke the Texas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► mode anyway interesting trick I thought yeah then there was there the report I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► think it was not it was German right saying that there that there was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► error maybe was a ripoff of another report or something but i know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► 9to5 mac wrote about it that the new macbook pro conceivably coming out at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► the end of the year would have the dislike OLEDs uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► strip and you know one of the reasons why that might make sense is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► then you could have a serious button without having to have like a physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► mm ah yeah i saw that rumor and I don't know what to make of it it seems kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► interesting it seems like it maybe it's also sort of like that i don't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:57 ◼ ► if it was a Kickstarter i think i might have been before Kickstarter but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5337">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► remember you're a couple years ago there was somebody was trying to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► yes I yeah I know what this is that led keyboard thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► yeah and it was yeah the idea was that each key was a physical keyboard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► brush key would be a standalone LED and so like in the quote unquote normal mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► qwerty you know and everybody alphabetic and have numbers but then like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► you're using Photoshop the key caps could change to all of the weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► shortcuts so you know you could you know it the H key would change to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► whatever h dozen in Photoshop right well game like a game could change all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► buttons to you know different weapons or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► yeah and it's sort of uh I guess similar to on iOS when you have that the virtual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► thing on top of the keyboard right where it suggests stuff and cervix can sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► dynamically do different things right so that that that led keyboard never really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► who never came to be realistic project but it certainly got people excited I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► could see how this led touchscreen in place of the function keys could work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► like that so that yeah and it gets too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► it's like a little bit like the mac keyboard getting a little taste of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► that spiel that Steve Jobs gave at the original iphone introduction about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:31 ◼ ► to do about the buttons on a phone because once you put them there there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5431">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► nothing else you know they're set and if you come around a new idea later you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► know that you'd like to have a different button but he doing he goes well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► answer is you know we've solved this years ago with the graphical user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► interface the answer is doing software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► so I can kind of see that and quite frankly the idea of f1 f2 f3 keys even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► get it it's just fiddly and I know apples you know started printing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5453">TS</a>]
01:30:59 ◼ ► hard-coded printing you know like this is volume up this is volume down this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5459">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► bryce around and that you know by default that's what those keys do now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► you have to actually trigger like a system-wide preference to turn them into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:13 ◼ ► regular conservatories her right and i think most kids would have no I'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5473">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► f1 that what i wanted have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► yeah my son if I if I I i should do it when he gets home from school i should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► could you hit f1 key what do you mean the brightness down key with which you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► know any Latin you know that in the i remember when i still have the extended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► keyboard in front of me but the Apple extended keyboard you know the big tank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► keyboard that i use it shipped with like a strip that went around the function [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► keys like no I yeah it was like a I don't know what you would call it like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► like a stencil almost that would surround the function keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► oh yeah okay different pro apps would call my quarkxpress came with with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:58 ◼ ► yeah yeah i actually remember that at IBM pcs they had a similar thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5518">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► that yeah when they sold the big the big Keys the big push down key right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► yeah on by default f1 I think it was just like I think it was just like ZX cv [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► so f1 was undo f2 was cut f3 was copying a for was paced but this is david this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► is ancient Apple history this is like stuff that worked in like nineteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► ninety-one that's really funny though because that's like you know talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► about this this virtual old LED strip that is like the original version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► their I like software that would ship an actual physical print out that you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► overlay you know haha around the keys to have to change their functions to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► what their function would be yeah so I you know it i think this is ideas sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► to me like you know hey this sounds like a really good idea because then instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► of having these hard-coded things that you know you could make that whole area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► yeah then software updates when they keep updating mac OS and adding new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► things they don't have to ship a new keyboard all of a sudden now Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► flows off the tongue like I really like this is my favorite i'm really excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► about them renaming it Mac OS I like it better so that better they still going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► they're so committed the california thing is that the latest you know like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► don't know I wouldn't wait Mac OS you know the Hollywood or do whatever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► think so i think that they're committed to the California think they've only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► done it for 22 years writers to order to have it today 23 the 103 because there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► was married yeah yeah that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► Mavericks first yeah I don't like I think they're committed to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5620">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► california thing and I think that I think you know but it's just going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► mac OS you know Hollywood yeah well i'll be glad to be done with the 10 elements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5630">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► of it because it was you know we're at ten . 11 . five now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► it always bothered me all along I and I've never been a fan of the name Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► os10 and I was less of a fan when they officially changed it to OS 10 without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:13 ◼ ► the mac alright really never never a fan of that name just because well number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5653">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► one I don't like Roman numerals i just wrote about this it is a drone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► I just hate them they're the they're absolutely terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► there's arguments to be made that I so I mean I'm not being facetious here there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:31 ◼ ► are I've seen arguments that that they're stupid numeral system made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5671">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► Roman so in cat in a bad at math that led to the decline of the Roman Empire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► because they felt people who used a logical decimal you know system of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► indicating numerals that made math easier i hate i just don't like Roman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► i hate the way that it's you know this doesn't seem to be as big a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5694">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► anymore but I hated in the early years the people who said Mac OS X 0 it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5697">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► happens all the time but yeah it's not their problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► it's albums problem because it looks like mac OS x because guess what normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► people today don't speak in Roman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► girls if you show them in X they say that's an ex they don't say oh but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:16 ◼ ► that's a ten and then as time went on it was as though I mean what's 2016 so 15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5716">TS</a>]
01:35:23 ◼ ► years of updates to to the operating system in their numbering system it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5723">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► like they've all been minor little feature upgrades right for favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► years right so i think i read they uh I don't know if you talked about this i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► read that somewhere so you know they dominated super bowl 50 this past year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► they did super bowl 50 rather than Super Bowl L or whatever but next year they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:48 ◼ ► going back to the Roman numerals so it's like Li I think yourself something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5748">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► that they are at it I I it makes me want to scream because i was so happy I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:57 ◼ ► like you know what that's why I'm so happy because I thought that's brilliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5757">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► 50 is a the the nicest round this number they're going to get to until a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► now they gave this is the way they get out of the mess they've created for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:13 ◼ ► themselves with these Roman numerals you know what else screws me up with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5773">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► roman numeral Star Wars i'm so confused over but however yet the the movie star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► i really i really am once they got to the prequels like four five and six I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5783">TS</a>]
01:36:28 ◼ ► understood that there's you know three but now I'm like what the hell is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5788">TS</a>]
01:36:31 ◼ ► episode 8 how what how you did it already and it's like yeah just I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5791">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► i don't like the Roman numerals and star wars but there's no they can't get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► of it they've already already into it the NFL could get out of it with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:44 ◼ ► superbowl they did get out of it with 50 and it now they're going back now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5804">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► el super oli we throw lye that's great i'll just like I did not like it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:59 ◼ ► used to be amused by like it a like old-time hollywood movies used too often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5819">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► put like the copyright in $YEAR in roman numerals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► oh it don't they still do that i'm pretty sure some movies still do so at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:11 ◼ ► the very end I'm one of those people who stays through the credits the annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5831">TS</a>]
01:37:15 ◼ ► person is through the entire credits even though I'm not reading everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5835">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► just sort of like it is the time to you know think about what I just watched or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► whatever and so I always stay through the end and especially now with all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► Marvel stuff where you have to state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► the end but at the end when they do the last credit thing it's like the whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:33 ◼ ► it is I don't know if it's mpa or whoever gives that gets the last sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5853">TS</a>]
01:37:37 ◼ ► screen and they do the number of what actual movie it is like how many movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5857">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► have actually yeah and it's still in roman numerals i'm pretty sure because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► know that because they just passed some milestone should look it up but matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:54 ◼ ► even know what I would google for but they just had some major milestone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5874">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► so it's now like shorter because you know it's past like five thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► whatever the 50,000 or something like that maybe it used to be though and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► maybe it's not now maybe I'm remembering it slightly wrong and I know that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► used to do it like what you're what you're suggesting is like yeah the year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:16 ◼ ► and everything would be Roman numeral right and now i think this movie credit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5896">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► system at the very end it may have switched back over to actual numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► because it just got to unwieldly but I'm not a hundred venture don't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:31 ◼ ► we'll look it up after the show ID is one answer i don't have this definitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5911">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► my google one that's all I have time for to do live in the show but there's a BBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:40 ◼ ► article that says perhaps one of the most notable areas where people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5920">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► likely to come across the minerals and TV and film credits for the convention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► is not to spell out what your something was made the practice is believed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► have started in an attempt to disguise the age of films or television programs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5933">TS</a>]
01:38:57 ◼ ► huh in other words it's the opposite of claiming an undeserved antiquity they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5937">TS</a>]
01:39:03 ◼ ► they are trying to look like they're still young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5943">TS</a>]
01:39:07 ◼ ► because nobody can tell here's an example here's 1998 in roman numerals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5947">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► yeah I see the ice I think I see the same thing now this one stack exchange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► yeah copyright time order studios MC a right that's exactly i've already got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► in the show notes i'll put it there folks you can listen just check out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► show notes there that's what it is that i think i was conflating the two things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:33 ◼ ► that is where they use the Roman numerals the movie number is I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5973">TS</a>]
01:39:39 ◼ ► no yeah okay there we go . but that's where there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5979">TS</a>]
01:39:42 ◼ ► what the hell are we talking about how did how did we get from the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5982">TS</a>]
01:39:45 ◼ ► with an oled strip to Roman numerals smack ohh smack ohh Oh Mac os10 right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5985">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► yeah they're going I wonder would now although I wonder maybe they would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/5992">TS</a>]
01:40:03 ◼ ► if I don't think you would have to have the new keyboard to use Siri on the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► but maybe they would do the little you know the animation for Siri the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► horizontal thing because it's such a horizontal animation maybe oh yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► we do love strip will turn into the waveform yeah i would be pretty yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► the other thing with government report though is that and and it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:24 ◼ ► disappointing because I was kinda hoping maybe new macbook pros would come out at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6024">TS</a>]
01:40:27 ◼ ► WTC but he's he's his report it put it later this year like a fall thing right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6027">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► and there was some little nugget I think and I think that was based on what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► one the one who is it is it k ji or whatever they are pretty good tracker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► and being right about those things i think was ripping off of that but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► talking about the fact that there's there's some potential for a 13-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6050">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► macbook not a pro so there would be like the two Pro models and then we already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6056">TS</a>]
01:41:02 ◼ ► have now the 12-inch you know retina MacBook and now there might be a 13-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6062">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► it said that in there and which I was confused by like why would they do it 12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:10 ◼ ► and a 13 inch yeah that seems wrong to me it seems to me like this they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6070">TS</a>]
01:41:16 ◼ ► that the whole reason they made the 12-inch in the first place was to split [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6076">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► the difference between 13 all right right and so yeah I don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:26 ◼ ► maybe it's something got lost in translation there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6086">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► yeah or they're going to switch to 13 I don't know it doesn't make sense to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:34 ◼ ► 12 and 13 they don't seem different enough to just provide both of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6094">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► existing and what that mean like you could see where they made where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► would make a bigger one to in order to put like a second port everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:44 ◼ ► complained of course about the one USBC port but then with a 2-14 let you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6104">TS</a>]
01:41:52 ◼ ► I just I just think that they have to be different enough that just at a glance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6112">TS</a>]
01:41:58 ◼ ► at the on the table in the apple store you can say oh that one's big this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6118">TS</a>]
01:42:03 ◼ ► small you really can i get asked to be if you're gonna have three it has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6123">TS</a>]
01:42:08 ◼ ► like rare medium and well done you can't even have like a medium a medium rare in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6128">TS</a>]
01:42:13 ◼ ► there it's you know it's too hard to tell apart and that report also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6133">TS</a>]
01:42:18 ◼ ► mentioned that they're likely keeping the macbook air around it will just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6138">TS</a>]
01:42:22 ◼ ► sort of the cheaper at you know the low of the rare version I your analogy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6142">TS</a>]
01:42:30 ◼ ► the cheaper low-end version of what you get for maximum presumably still no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6150">TS</a>]
01:42:35 ◼ ► Retina screen i guess yeah i think that the the writing is on the wall I and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6155">TS</a>]
01:42:38 ◼ ► know that this this is to me is it I get it all the time and there's I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6158">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► there's so many people i'm going to make you angry if you're one of these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► listening I'm telling you right now stop holding your breath for a retina macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:49 ◼ ► air and it's just not gonna happen and I i know i get emails all the time this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6169">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► what people are a lot of people want they want exactly what the macbook air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6174">TS</a>]
01:42:58 ◼ ► yeah with a rabbit and and when they're when they're asking for that is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6178">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► specifically that they want it like the way the certain type of power adapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:10 ◼ ► and the you at the old older school USB ports rather than because you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6190">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► the new macbook is very similar to what a macbook air is except for the ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:23 ◼ ► right eye and the power you know this performance because I lower it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6203">TS</a>]
01:43:29 ◼ ► still sits still slow right okay care and i refreshed MacBook Air if it were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6209">TS</a>]
01:43:34 ◼ ► to come but it's not i don't think would be faster still like but like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6214">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► macbook area and go buy today is faster than the macbook and so like if you push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► your machine a little bit if you're like you know like me you know 50 browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:49 ◼ ► tabs or if you're using Xcode or something like that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6229">TS</a>]
01:43:52 ◼ ► photo editing you want it but no died i think it's very clear looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6232">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► products that Apple's come out with recently what they're doing the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6237">TS</a>]
01:44:01 ◼ ► macbook the new one the macbook one will get fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6241">TS</a>]
01:44:06 ◼ ► overtime right and it will eventually be like in two years that won't be an issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6246">TS</a>]
01:44:09 ◼ ► like right things that right and it wasn't worth it for Apple to put spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6249">TS</a>]
01:44:14 ◼ ► money to make a retina macbook air when these things are just going to collide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6254">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► into your eyes and the the on the other end the macbook pros are getting thinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► like that's but another part of this rumor with the oled screen is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:27 ◼ ► macbook even though they you know got so much thinner couple years ago when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6267">TS</a>]
01:44:31 ◼ ► went to the mall you know you can't get a spinning hard drive anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6271">TS</a>]
01:44:34 ◼ ► everything's SSD but it's going to get dinner still because that's what Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6274">TS</a>]
01:44:38 ◼ ► does they take products and make them thinner so the macbook pros at the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6278">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► expensive side and and if performance is important to you are going to get ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:47 ◼ ► more air like in their form factor and the macbook is going to get faster and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6287">TS</a>]
01:44:52 ◼ ► and apples bet is that your need for ports is going to decrease over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6292">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► and so the macbook air even though if they were to come out with a retina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:03 ◼ ► macbook air today it would sell myself very well it's it's a dead end I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6303">TS</a>]
01:45:07 ◼ ► in Apple's mind in terms of the differentiation of the product line that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6307">TS</a>]
01:45:12 ◼ ► it's not it would be to its to conflated with the other products to easily mixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6312">TS</a>]
01:45:17 ◼ ► up right and so right now the only reason the macbook airs exist is to hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6317">TS</a>]
01:45:22 ◼ ► the 899 and 999 price points right now assume that's a lot of what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6322">TS</a>]
01:45:27 ◼ ► selling to like schools right that's there is that also their school sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6327">TS</a>]
01:45:33 ◼ ► how I feel like I would I would be I would be anybody I would be surprised if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6333">TS</a>]
01:45:37 ◼ ► schools were buying anything other than the macbook airs because the way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6337">TS</a>]
01:45:43 ◼ ► don't have money and be they just don't you know schools you know they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6343">TS</a>]
01:45:48 ◼ ► not going to value something like retina right you know too bad kids even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6348">TS</a>]
01:45:53 ◼ ► kids have the sharpest eyes and the most likely to be able to see the fuzzy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6353">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► well justjust wait give them time two years kids two years so i don't know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/6360">TS</a>]
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01:58:38 ◼ ► long it's been but it's like eight years nine years something like that yeah i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7118">TS</a>]
01:58:42 ◼ ► think it was 9 years and it was a 2007 story and i think i could be wrong by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7122">TS</a>]
01:58:47 ◼ ► year but the story I've heard is that at some point in 2006 supposedly teal had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7127">TS</a>]
01:58:52 ◼ ► warned Valleywag do not write about my personal life or I'll you know or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7132">TS</a>]
01:58:58 ◼ ► make an enemy of me you know i don't threaten somebody it did but privately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7138">TS</a>]
01:59:03 ◼ ► had said I don't do this or out you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7143">TS</a>]
01:59:07 ◼ ► and it 2007 i think is when the story ran but it's been about roughly ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7147">TS</a>]
01:59:11 ◼ ► years and obviously most threats made in those veins and that being hollow or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7151">TS</a>]
01:59:17 ◼ ► know sort of like just things get forgotten over time and everybody moves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7157">TS</a>]
01:59:21 ◼ ► on time heals all wounds but the right not this but not here and like the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7161">TS</a>]
01:59:26 ◼ ► that this has been going on behind the scenes all these years later is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7166">TS</a>]
01:59:31 ◼ ► incredible I mean I again it's like a weird thing just it's like impressive in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7171">TS</a>]
01:59:37 ◼ ► a weird way that someone is so determined to a right what they view as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7177">TS</a>]
01:59:44 ◼ ► this wrong that they've held onto it this long and like just figured out an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7184">TS</a>]
01:59:49 ◼ ► avenue to actually be able to execute it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7189">TS</a>]
01:59:52 ◼ ► alright i will link to it in the show notes I've already linked to an enduring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7192">TS</a>]
01:59:56 ◼ ► fireball but Felix Salmon writing infusion had a at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7196">TS</a>]
01:59:56 ◼ ► fireball but Felix Salmon writing infusion had a at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7196">TS</a>]
02:00:00 ◼ ► great analysis of of just that the depths of the evil genius of seals the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:06 ◼ ► revenge that you know just going through step-by-step in just a how long he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7206">TS</a>]
02:00:12 ◼ ► waited and be that that that the way that libel laws work and typically it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7212">TS</a>]
02:00:17 ◼ ► you know details not the first super rich person to sue a publication over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7217">TS</a>]
02:00:21 ◼ ► negative publicity I mean Donald Trump has done in many times I mean all sorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7221">TS</a>]
02:00:25 ◼ ► of people do it but the way it typically works in the way everybody common-sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7225">TS</a>]
02:00:31 ◼ ► things that works is if I'm a rich guy and I don't like what your publication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7231">TS</a>]
02:00:36 ◼ ► wrote about me I sue you about what you wrote about me and you know and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7236">TS</a>]
02:00:41 ◼ ► problem with that is that you have to prove that it was false or that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7241">TS</a>]
02:00:45 ◼ ► that is slander or whatever around very very hard and as salmon has pointed out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7245">TS</a>]
02:00:50 ◼ ► so newspapers at you know just like the new york times are you know any major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7250">TS</a>]
02:00:55 ◼ ► publication at you know when they write about a rich person in a way that a this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7255">TS</a>]
02:00:59 ◼ ► is going to be controversial they're not going to like this they have legal team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7259">TS</a>]
02:01:02 ◼ ► that vets every sentence in this story before it goes out specifically of can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7262">TS</a>]
02:01:08 ◼ ► we defend this in court can we defend you know every single thing can we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7268">TS</a>]
02:01:10 ◼ ► defend this in court and so it's not just going through an editorial process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7270">TS</a>]
02:01:13 ◼ ► that goes through a legal process before it goes out and therefore it makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7273">TS</a>]
02:01:18 ◼ ► did the rich person who wants to sue a publication out of existence to win so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7278">TS</a>]
02:01:23 ◼ ► teals strategy was not to sue Walker over what they wrote about him but was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7283">TS</a>]
02:01:29 ◼ ► rather to put together a legal team to just go through everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7289">TS</a>]
02:01:32 ◼ ► soccer has done for 10 years and look for something that they did that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7292">TS</a>]
02:01:36 ◼ ► legally questionable and they struck gold with the Hogan sex tape right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7296">TS</a>]
02:01:43 ◼ ► there's you know I think it's actually even while we've been on this this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7303">TS</a>]
02:01:47 ◼ ► call recording the show I think they've already been sort of other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7307">TS</a>]
02:01:51 ◼ ► leaking out because the room of course is also that they've been looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7311">TS</a>]
02:01:54 ◼ ► other avenues to execute a lawsuit over the years and maybe they have even but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7314">TS</a>]
02:01:59 ◼ ► no one realized it at the time and I think some of that stuff is starting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7319">TS</a>]
02:02:02 ◼ ► come out now it's just breaking so fast it's so crazy and I will you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7322">TS</a>]
02:02:08 ◼ ► there's so many like butts and this story is so widespread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7328">TS</a>]
02:02:11 ◼ ► and what is I can I don't you know what I've written about on during fire but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7331">TS</a>]
02:02:16 ◼ ► it's hard to like cover all of these avenues but I'll even say right up front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7336">TS</a>]
02:02:20 ◼ ► that I don't know a couple of simple what do you think you know decision just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7340">TS</a>]
02:02:25 ◼ ► be about whether Hogan had a good case or not and it doesn't ever you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7345">TS</a>]
02:02:29 ◼ ► wasn't he actually you know what they did a violation of privacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7349">TS</a>]
02:02:32 ◼ ► I'm very very I i certainly would never run a sex tape taken surreptitiously by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7352">TS</a>]
02:02:38 ◼ ► someone else or publisher spread I mean I think it's did honestly I think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7358">TS</a>]
02:02:42 ◼ ► despicable move just personally I just as it as a human being I mean and so i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7362">TS</a>]
02:02:48 ◼ ► not i'm not even opposed to Hogan having won the suit I don't think soccer ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7368">TS</a>]
02:02:53 ◼ ► should have run it the doctors media have done published numerous things over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7373">TS</a>]
02:02:56 ◼ ► the years that I object to for multiple grounds notably of course the iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7376">TS</a>]
02:03:03 ◼ ► right that's the stories i right was got was this moto right under Gawker right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7383">TS</a>]
02:03:08 ◼ ► yeah yeah so so I right way in a way that the heart of part of the genius of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7388">TS</a>]
02:03:17 ◼ ► teal strategy is that he found a case where the people who might otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7397">TS</a>]
02:03:23 ◼ ► object to the idea of a billionaire secretly funding lawsuit to sue a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7403">TS</a>]
02:03:28 ◼ ► company out of existence might be a little bit more likely to to say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7408">TS</a>]
02:03:33 ◼ ► these are you know these these are bad people that you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7413">TS</a>]
02:03:36 ◼ ► that's not right that they that they took us a certain dishes sex tape and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7416">TS</a>]
02:03:42 ◼ ► I stop sex tapes you cum sex tapes i know it wasn't probably wasn't on tape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7422">TS</a>]
02:03:45 ◼ ► but what else would you call it was all because it's not at eight right it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7425">TS</a>]
02:03:52 ◼ ► right but seems like the term is sex tape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7432">TS</a>]
02:03:55 ◼ ► yeah it's like the verbal equivalent of the floppy disk for save like we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7435">TS</a>]
02:04:00 ◼ ► don't have it right is sex . mov . i don't know I sex-gif yeah x.x get uh so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7440">TS</a>]
02:04:12 ◼ ► I read I you know and leading up to this i read a few different of the tapes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7452">TS</a>]
02:04:16 ◼ ► first of all it like we joked about that all Twitter talk about this like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7456">TS</a>]
02:04:21 ◼ ► in my mind we talked about Twitter earlier is like being you know started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7461">TS</a>]
02:04:25 ◼ ► like this this fascinating site guy stuff what's happening in my view when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7465">TS</a>]
02:04:30 ◼ ► something like this happens this makes Twitter almost unbearable simply because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7470">TS</a>]
02:04:34 ◼ ► everyone is talking about the same thing and there's no way to follow like a like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7474">TS</a>]
02:04:42 ◼ ► a common thread it's like there's so many different angles and so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7482">TS</a>]
02:04:45 ◼ ► information coming in so many opinions that it's like a hodgepodge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7485">TS</a>]
02:04:49 ◼ ► everything and I can imagine a regular user after signing up for Twitter say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7489">TS</a>]
02:04:55 ◼ ► they sign up for twitter yesterday and they got like recommended you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7495">TS</a>]
02:04:58 ◼ ► they're interested in the news or something and so they got recommended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7498">TS</a>]
02:05:01 ◼ ► you like 15 accounts to follow that our journalists and so to help today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7501">TS</a>]
02:05:05 ◼ ► just imagine what their experience would be like looking at Twitter for the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7505">TS</a>]
02:05:08 ◼ ► time it's just like I don't even know how to work to begin like doing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7508">TS</a>]
02:05:13 ◼ ► just shut it down like this is this is dreadful these people talking about each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7513">TS</a>]
02:05:17 ◼ ► other and talking about like no you're wrong and arguing and so with that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7517">TS</a>]
02:05:22 ◼ ► that backstory I'm they try to avoid as much as possible of it until there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7522">TS</a>]
02:05:27 ◼ ► actually like more actual news of what would what occurred and whatnot it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7527">TS</a>]
02:05:33 ◼ ► like this morning there was some of that we talked about the air and a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7533">TS</a>]
02:05:36 ◼ ► post with a with teal and then there's been there's been some more interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7536">TS</a>]
02:05:41 ◼ ► of the hot takes i would say and so I read yours of course which I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7541">TS</a>]
02:05:44 ◼ ► because it was concise and didn't you know sort of a lot of the problems I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7544">TS</a>]
02:05:49 ◼ ► have with the things of this nature are like this is obviously going after at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7549">TS</a>]
02:05:55 ◼ ► least the way that journalists perceive it going after the heart of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7555">TS</a>]
02:05:58 ◼ ► journalism isn't trying to destroy sort of the institution right and so we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7558">TS</a>]
02:06:02 ◼ ► these thought pieces that are going to be five thousand words and just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7562">TS</a>]
02:06:08 ◼ ► going on and on and most of them saying sort of the same things you're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7568">TS</a>]
02:06:11 ◼ ► that's slightly different ways and it's just like I it again it's impenetrable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7571">TS</a>]
02:06:16 ◼ ► too hard to know where to begin with this so I appreciate the concise nature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7576">TS</a>]
02:06:19 ◼ ► of your your take on this right and average I wasn't trying to capture the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7579">TS</a>]
02:06:24 ◼ ► whole thing is i think it's too hard to capture the whole thing you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7584">TS</a>]
02:06:26 ◼ ► right just one particular like to me it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7586">TS</a>]
02:06:30 ◼ ► and I appreciate your kind words about it but it's you know it was just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7590">TS</a>]
02:06:34 ◼ ► respond to this whole argument of whether anybody's trying to take away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7594">TS</a>]
02:06:37 ◼ ► Peter tales freedom of speech and it's like you know it was like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7597">TS</a>]
02:06:43 ◼ ► libertarian take on it which you know sort of a a pro survive using their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7603">TS</a>]
02:06:50 ◼ ► super richness to their own advantage and and the idea that anybody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7610">TS</a>]
02:06:55 ◼ ► objects to that or find it takes offense at it is therefore trying to suppress it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7615">TS</a>]
02:06:59 ◼ ► which is not the case like the the article that the guy link to buy josh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7619">TS</a>]
02:07:04 ◼ ► marshall he wasn't Josh Marshall at talking points maybe it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7624">TS</a>]
02:07:07 ◼ ► advocating hey we should pass a law to make this illegal we should you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7627">TS</a>]
02:07:11 ◼ ► prevent this he was just saying this is bad news for journalism right well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7631">TS</a>]
02:07:17 ◼ ► because it's revealed to revealed away to anybody else who has sufficient funds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7637">TS</a>]
02:07:21 ◼ ► to bankroll such things a way to do the same thing against any other publication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7641">TS</a>]
02:07:25 ◼ ► they don't like right but so part of that is like this is existed for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7645">TS</a>]
02:07:30 ◼ ► time to be able to do this this whole thing isn't new but its its new i guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7650">TS</a>]
02:07:35 ◼ ► in this context and and people's eyes are opening to it for the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7655">TS</a>]
02:07:43 ◼ ► teal did is not illegal this is you know this is an avenue that that others have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7663">TS</a>]
02:07:48 ◼ ► used just maybe not in this direct way before or maybe they haven't we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7668">TS</a>]
02:07:52 ◼ ► don't know about it but what I liked about what you wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7672">TS</a>]
02:07:56 ◼ ► we're and maybe a it correct me if i missed representing in some ways but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7676">TS</a>]
02:08:01 ◼ ► this is sort of my stance on it after you know one day of of thinking about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7681">TS</a>]
02:08:06 ◼ ► is so what teal did is not illegal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7686">TS</a>]
02:08:11 ◼ ► whether you know you think it's unethical ER or sort of not i don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7691">TS</a>]
02:08:18 ◼ ► that there's so many words used to describe it but anyway it's not illegal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7698">TS</a>]
02:08:21 ◼ ► and arm it's also of course not illegal for then to suggest that someone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7701">TS</a>]
02:08:27 ◼ ► doing this and that is not illegal for Forbes to look into it and get sources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7707">TS</a>]
02:08:32 ◼ ► yeah it's it's the sky and then it's not illegal for teal then to go and talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7712">TS</a>]
02:08:35 ◼ ► new york times and you know reveal sort of what he's doing why he did it and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7715">TS</a>]
02:08:40 ◼ ► apparently Denton's working on a rebuttal post about this and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7720">TS</a>]
02:08:43 ◼ ► like at the end of the day this I understand why everyone's up in arms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7723">TS</a>]
02:08:48 ◼ ► this of course but the situation does sort of sort itself out and I think if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7728">TS</a>]
02:08:54 ◼ ► Gawker went out of business which is a real possibility my thought there is but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7734">TS</a>]
02:09:01 ◼ ► like a thousand other gawkers will just rise in its in its sort of place and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7741">TS</a>]
02:09:07 ◼ ► could say well then you know some billionaire might take out them to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7747">TS</a>]
02:09:12 ◼ ► have a hard time believing that you know there's there's honestly enough money in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7752">TS</a>]
02:09:16 ◼ ► the world to sort of fight all these battles and it's not just money by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7756">TS</a>]
02:09:19 ◼ ► way it's time to that again going back to what the most interesting thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7759">TS</a>]
02:09:22 ◼ ► this to me is like that peter thiel took the time and the the extended time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7762">TS</a>]
02:09:26 ◼ ► period to actually execute this plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7766">TS</a>]
02:09:29 ◼ ► most people would not do that of course and most people just don't have the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7769">TS</a>]
02:09:32 ◼ ► that it's not worth their time to do it and so I sort of is is sort of lame as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7772">TS</a>]
02:09:38 ◼ ► it sounds I think like this thing sorts itself out naturally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7778">TS</a>]
02:09:43 ◼ ► yeah i think especially as it settles in as you know 24-hour old news now I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7783">TS</a>]
02:09:50 ◼ ► that the fears that this will become a playbook for billionaires to take on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7790">TS</a>]
02:09:54 ◼ ► other publications are I not just hopefully unfounded I think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7794">TS</a>]
02:09:58 ◼ ► probably unfounded I think this was a unique situation both in terms of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7798">TS</a>]
02:10:05 ◼ ► the way that soccer opened themselves up to these sort of suits by being so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7805">TS</a>]
02:10:15 ◼ ► don't know what the word is reckless aggressive-aggressive fast and loose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7815">TS</a>]
02:10:19 ◼ ► with what you know what sugar should not be published [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7819">TS</a>]
02:10:23 ◼ ► I I you know could somebody do this to me for example could somebody it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7823">TS</a>]
02:10:28 ◼ ► like what if I written that you could really take me to court over you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7828">TS</a>]
02:10:31 ◼ ► definitely inconvenience me by just making me go to court and have to hire a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7831">TS</a>]
02:10:35 ◼ ► lawyer to fight a bogus lawsuit but I don't you know I mean I don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7835">TS</a>]
02:10:39 ◼ ► why would I don't see why someone would do that cause the other part is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7839">TS</a>]
02:10:43 ◼ ► pier teal had such a group grievance against them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7843">TS</a>]
02:10:48 ◼ ► right i mean is there somebody who I've called jackass of the week in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7848">TS</a>]
02:10:52 ◼ ► who who would do this to me i don't know i don't think yeah but yeah but even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7852">TS</a>]
02:10:57 ◼ ► they would so you like you yeah you may have pissed off plenty of people i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7857">TS</a>]
02:11:01 ◼ ► sure you have over the years but may have pissed off Peter T like calling him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7861">TS</a>]
02:11:04 ◼ ► an asshole i don't know but i have you open yourself up to you know so you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7864">TS</a>]
02:11:11 ◼ ► that could open you up to you know like someone could try to see you directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7871">TS</a>]
02:11:14 ◼ ► for called for slander whatever our bible i always forget the difference i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7874">TS</a>]
02:11:22 ◼ ► could someone do this sort of surrogate lawsuits and you know actually go after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7882">TS</a>]
02:11:26 ◼ ► you for something it seems almost impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7886">TS</a>]
02:11:32 ◼ ► yes you're right i think part of it is that it's just it's just that nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7892">TS</a>]
02:11:36 ◼ ► ever thought that anybody it just never occurred to someone to do this and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7896">TS</a>]
02:11:39 ◼ ► speaks to Till's I honest I mean again I called him an asshole and I stand by and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7899">TS</a>]
02:11:46 ◼ ► I think that him doing it in secret was cowardly I think that it only came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7906">TS</a>]
02:11:50 ◼ ► now is you know it you know kind of a coward to move but it was genius right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7910">TS</a>]
02:12:00 ◼ ► it was extremely clever and it's the sort of you know that's why he's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7920">TS</a>]
02:12:04 ◼ ► success that he is a big and it's you know it's a huge part of the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7924">TS</a>]
02:12:08 ◼ ► Silicon Valley what are we looking for is we're looking for people who see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7928">TS</a>]
02:12:12 ◼ ► things that nobody else sees and this is an example of that right it's he saw an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7932">TS</a>]
02:12:18 ◼ ► opportunity here to do this in a way that it just never occurred to anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7938">TS</a>]
02:12:23 ◼ ► else I think that's why this is so the grabbed everybody's attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7943">TS</a>]
02:12:27 ◼ ► well and so it just don't know almost to play devil's advocate a bit on this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7947">TS</a>]
02:12:32 ◼ ► like you know when you call him and an asshole for the way that he sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7952">TS</a>]
02:12:37 ◼ ► executed it i mean what if maybe he executed it this way on purpose like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7957">TS</a>]
02:12:43 ◼ ► wanted to be in the shadows for all this time and then to have some sort of big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7963">TS</a>]
02:12:47 ◼ ► reveal to make it that much more of a statement and make it that much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7967">TS</a>]
02:12:51 ◼ ► meaningful when it did come out this way yet and and and the aforementioned felix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7971">TS</a>]
02:12:57 ◼ ► Salmon post definitely makes the case that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7977">TS</a>]
02:13:01 ◼ ► he makes a compelling case that revealing himself was absolutely part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7981">TS</a>]
02:13:06 ◼ ► it part of the plan because what it does is it it it says this isn't now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7986">TS</a>]
02:13:14 ◼ ► realize that whatever happens with the Hogan appeal this isn't gonna stop and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7994">TS</a>]
02:13:19 ◼ ► he can write keep this up indefinitely and everybody knows that everybody can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/7999">TS</a>]
02:13:23 ◼ ► just go through the back of her mind a list of things you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8003">TS</a>]
02:13:27 ◼ ► articles that Crocker has published over the years that maybe they could get sued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8007">TS</a>]
02:13:29 ◼ ► over and it therefore means that any anybody who is perhaps thinking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8009">TS</a>]
02:13:34 ◼ ► investing in Gawker is going to think twice about it because it looks like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8014">TS</a>]
02:13:39 ◼ ► you're investing in gauger your and investing against Peter teal funding you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8019">TS</a>]
02:13:44 ◼ ► know trying to bankrupt the company and they need the investment money because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8024">TS</a>]
02:13:48 ◼ ► they need to have you know just to deal with the legal fees and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8028">TS</a>]
02:13:52 ◼ ► potential judgment against Hogan right you know that revealing himself as part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8032">TS</a>]
02:13:57 ◼ ► of it because now right right makes Cocker look like a way worse investment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8037">TS</a>]
02:14:01 ◼ ► than it was you know Gawker if you're if anybody was thinking of investing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8041">TS</a>]
02:14:04 ◼ ► soccer two days ago it's certainly looking for a worse investment now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8044">TS</a>]
02:14:08 ◼ ► you know that they've made a lifelong enemy of Peter teal and that hand up if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8048">TS</a>]
02:14:12 ◼ ► we set his sights on destroying the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8052">TS</a>]
02:14:14 ◼ ► unsurprisingly there are already reports of course now that that car trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8054">TS</a>]
02:14:18 ◼ ► sell itself and you know it's being marked down way below what they you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8058">TS</a>]
02:14:23 ◼ ► where value that in just a few months ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8063">TS</a>]
02:14:26 ◼ ► yeah and that's going to make it very hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8066">TS</a>]
02:14:30 ◼ ► yeah i would just say i would say in terms of what i wrote that if it turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8070">TS</a>]
02:14:33 ◼ ► out that it's true that yields plan all along was to reveal himself at a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8073">TS</a>]
02:14:37 ◼ ► strategic point for the purpose of even you know kicking them when they're down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8077">TS</a>]
02:14:43 ◼ ► then it doesn't take away the asshole part of what i said takes away the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8083">TS</a>]
02:14:47 ◼ ► coward part because he didn't have a plan to remain secret forever that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8087">TS</a>]
02:14:50 ◼ ► only secret strategically for the first part of this devilish revenge scheme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8090">TS</a>]
02:14:56 ◼ ► yeah and I mean I will say I don't know Peter to little effect i am fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8096">TS</a>]
02:15:00 ◼ ► certain I've actually never met him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8100">TS</a>]
02:15:02 ◼ ► even though we sort of do the same thing now but uh you know I also just one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8102">TS</a>]
02:15:09 ◼ ► the things have trying to think about again a reaction to this in a 24-hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8109">TS</a>]
02:15:14 ◼ ► call the whole situation with Valleywag when it happened those eight or nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8114">TS</a>]
02:15:19 ◼ ► years ago I mean I heard about it in it you know after the fact and I but i also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8119">TS</a>]
02:15:27 ◼ ► have a hard time sort of discounting like well I understand that what that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8127">TS</a>]
02:15:32 ◼ ► what Valley wags position was that it was sort of like publicly that he was he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8132">TS</a>]
02:15:37 ◼ ► was known to be a game amongst a big enough circle that it should be sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8137">TS</a>]
02:15:42 ◼ ► common knowledge like I don't know what his mindset what like he's he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8142">TS</a>]
02:15:47 ◼ ► clearly he's clearly very was very pissed off and very pissed off enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8147">TS</a>]
02:15:50 ◼ ► do this whole plan like I I don't know that I want to say like is he wrong you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8150">TS</a>]
02:15:57 ◼ ► know like a lot of people are saying that this is a major overblown thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8157">TS</a>]
02:16:03 ◼ ► that he's East he's just taking it so far out of proportion and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8163">TS</a>]
02:16:07 ◼ ► responses not in proportion to what the the original Act was but like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8167">TS</a>]
02:16:12 ◼ ► know that I wasn't there like maybe he was like his mindset was just totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8172">TS</a>]
02:16:18 ◼ ► destroyed by what they did after he told them not to do it and you know so anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8178">TS</a>]
02:16:25 ◼ ► I just don't want to like degrade that completely I don't know what his mindset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8185">TS</a>]
02:16:28 ◼ ► is I i hear you as a devil's advocate take i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8188">TS</a>]
02:16:34 ◼ ► well I don't you should say disk because i don't know i only did you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8194">TS</a>]
02:16:37 ◼ ► know Peter till either obviously right so that's possible and that's impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8197">TS</a>]
02:16:42 ◼ ► you know that really was so significantly stressful to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8202">TS</a>]
02:16:45 ◼ ► emotionally harmful to him you know that maybe it it really isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8205">TS</a>]
02:16:50 ◼ ► disproportionate but the one goofy that i have to say that he's a goofy part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8210">TS</a>]
02:16:54 ◼ ► this is good i mean this is goofy is it is a heels description of this as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8214">TS</a>]
02:17:01 ◼ ► most philanthropic thing he's ever done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8221">TS</a>]
02:17:04 ◼ ► how ya like that is is really that's gonna go down as one of the things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8224">TS</a>]
02:17:11 ◼ ► for people who are you know it thinking that the inequality is out of control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8231">TS</a>]
02:17:16 ◼ ► and that the the Richard that's the hyper rich are are detached from reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8236">TS</a>]
02:17:23 ◼ ► I mean there's exhibit a is Peter to I mean whatever you think about this right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8243">TS</a>]
02:17:27 ◼ ► I'm fully acknowledging that there's a devil's advocate take on this that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8247">TS</a>]
02:17:31 ◼ ► he did is just prevent serve cold and interact was in some sense just I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8251">TS</a>]
02:17:37 ◼ ► agree i think it's a vast over-reaction you know I go with the Nigerian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8257">TS</a>]
02:17:43 ◼ ► Elizabeth Spears take ya idea that it's you know it's like a you know like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8263">TS</a>]
02:17:47 ◼ ► the United States attacked a small African country with the full weight of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8267">TS</a>]
02:17:51 ◼ ► the Armed Services just for some small you know you know just proportionate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8271">TS</a>]
02:17:57 ◼ ► reaction right um I'm on that side but i agree the devil's advocate take on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8277">TS</a>]
02:18:01 ◼ ► but even if you agree the devil's advocate take this is that this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8281">TS</a>]
02:18:05 ◼ ► the philanthropy I don't know what did you read Ben Thompson's take two in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8285">TS</a>]
02:18:11 ◼ ► his newsletter today it was no yeah it was interesting because i won't go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8291">TS</a>]
02:18:16 ◼ ► it that I want it you can link to it but it's um like so I thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8296">TS</a>]
02:18:21 ◼ ► fascinating way to like frame it around the notion of like superheroes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8301">TS</a>]
02:18:25 ◼ ► supervillains and like he it's like what can one can these like superheroes exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8305">TS</a>]
02:18:32 ◼ ► without a I don't bungle this but it's basically uh that like in you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8312">TS</a>]
02:18:41 ◼ ► say like the Marvel Cinematic Universe like what happens when the superheroes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8321">TS</a>]
02:18:45 ◼ ► come is there's usually like this super you know fill-in thing that ends up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8325">TS</a>]
02:18:50 ◼ ► it seems coincidentally but maybe it's not coincidental right maybe it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8330">TS</a>]
02:18:53 ◼ ► the result of the superhero coming or vice versa like the superhero comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8333">TS</a>]
02:18:57 ◼ ► because the supervillain is there and so they're intertwined right and it's um he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8337">TS</a>]
02:19:03 ◼ ► draws the interesting analogy to this whole situation of of how this is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8343">TS</a>]
02:19:08 ◼ ► down which i think is that is is worth the read there is a certain amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8348">TS</a>]
02:19:14 ◼ ► people have compared Ilan musk to a Bond villain but at elon musk doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8354">TS</a>]
02:19:19 ◼ ► that it doesn't i can't do anything he's done it makes him look like a jerk but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8359">TS</a>]
02:19:24 ◼ ► this there is like a certain you know it a bond movies and other movies are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8364">TS</a>]
02:19:29 ◼ ► always full of you know evil billionaires or you know even maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8369">TS</a>]
02:19:33 ◼ ► evils too strong word but you know right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8373">TS</a>]
02:19:36 ◼ ► there's billionaires bent on emailing even is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8376">TS</a>]
02:19:40 ◼ ► you mean billionaires and this is here it is it in real life you know like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8380">TS</a>]
02:19:46 ◼ ► is incredible scheme that nobody would have nobody really it perceived as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8386">TS</a>]
02:19:50 ◼ ► possible like and went like you said before like when it came up in trial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8390">TS</a>]
02:19:54 ◼ ► interviews Yeah Yeah come on that's this isn't a Marvel movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8394">TS</a>]
02:19:58 ◼ ► yeah uh but and then the other element to this like going back to where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8398">TS</a>]
02:20:03 ◼ ► started sort of like with the whole twitter and it's just like oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8403">TS</a>]
02:20:07 ◼ ► this is this is going to go on for a while I mean you know like you said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8407">TS</a>]
02:20:11 ◼ ► know 24 hours sort of things died down but then there's more and more just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8411">TS</a>]
02:20:14 ◼ ► keeps coming and this is like the perfect storm you know coming as someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8414">TS</a>]
02:20:18 ◼ ► who comes from the reporter side and now sort of you know far enough removed from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8418">TS</a>]
02:20:25 ◼ ► its is sort of hopefully be somewhat a circumspect about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8425">TS</a>]
02:20:30 ◼ ► this is like the perfect storm of story that's not going to die anytime soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8430">TS</a>]
02:20:35 ◼ ► because this is what i many not all but many reporters love writing about more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8435">TS</a>]
02:20:42 ◼ ► than anything else is their own profession and like yeah you know things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8442">TS</a>]
02:20:45 ◼ ► coming after it and the potential to first for the end of what they do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8445">TS</a>]
02:20:52 ◼ ► incoming after potentially their livelihood and stuff and so this is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8452">TS</a>]
02:20:55 ◼ ► the perfect storm for twitter for media Twitter and it's going to be nonstop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8455">TS</a>]
02:21:00 ◼ ► stories about this for a long time to come it seems like yeah that to meet its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8460">TS</a>]
02:21:06 ◼ ► I can't it's almost hard to conceive of a better story for media Twitter yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8466">TS</a>]
02:21:10 ◼ ► yeah I don't know anything else you want to talk about it now that's were pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8470">TS</a>]
02:21:22 ◼ ► much wraps up my list so people can find your writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8482">TS</a>]
02:21:29 ◼ ► where were you doing with your writing these days so almost always now on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8489">TS</a>]
02:21:35 ◼ ► medium I set up one of the publications are mediums course again one of the GV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8495">TS</a>]
02:21:40 ◼ ► I just like before we invested in it I was a huge fan of the simplicity of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8500">TS</a>]
02:21:47 ◼ ► platform and the CMS elements of having used many other CMS throughout the years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzXw9kE/8507">TS</a>]
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