00:00:00 ◼ ► I like it over there it's awesome it's great it's a it's fun i mean is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► it's hard but it's been really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/6">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► well this is a busy time for you guys because it's it's like a busy time of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/10">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► the year . because it's like May and June is like when everybody in tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/13">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► wants to if they're launching anything that they're doing it now like you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/18">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► got to get it out before july and august and you guys have a big conference that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/22">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► just got wrapped up right yeah which was my third time as my third time attending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/26">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► it but my first time working it and totally different experience is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/32">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► mean it's it is an amazing conference it's probably you know obviously it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/38">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► different than something like WWDC or CS but as far as executive conferences go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/42">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► and check that the public is invited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/48">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► well sort of invited to I think it's the best one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/50">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► well and it's you know it the history clearly dates to $YEAR when it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/54">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► called all things D I mean it's you know to kara and wall and the big red chairs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/59">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► and you know it was the basically the only conference that Steve Jobs want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/65">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► besides macworld and whatever Apple would put on Ryan instant and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/70">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► difference it's you know that the big difference is that when Apple put on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/74">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► keynote it's not really a conference it's you know here's everything we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/77">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► to say and it's prepared and you know onstage there it's want Cara asking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/81">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► questions right totally hear the difference and preparedness and who kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/87">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► of lays out what what they talked about and all that but it was great actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/93">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► you know I you know watching the the videos now I you know I kind of wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/98">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► like and what if jobs were still here what would he be talking about that kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/104">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► of kind of ruins the mood but watching jeff bezos and Elon Musk just really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/110">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► really exciting and really interesting that's a great list i mean i would i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/117">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► would say you know pretty hard to top in today's executive world Baeza a one-two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/122">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► Elon Musk yeah was it was great because Bezos kinda has taken the role of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/127">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► elder statesman almost as far as like CEOs who are still really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/133">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► involved in the day-to-day and you know we'll talk not only it at length about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/139">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► the products that their companies make but just kind of the bigger picture in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/144">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► general which is kind of the role that jobs would would do you know he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/147">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► talk not only in detail about how Apple thinks but also just kind of what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/150">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► going on in in the world and yet you know if you haven't had a chance to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/155">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► watch the the full videos 80 minutes of jeff bezos talking to walt mossberg and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/160">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► then the other one was i believe over an hour of Kara Swisher and Walt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/165">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► interviewing Elon Musk they're there they're all available for free on Rico [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/170">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► it's really interesting and mask meanwhile musk kinda has played this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/177">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► role as like the the wacky guy in a spacesuit basically who you know half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/182">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► half of the talk was a physical lesson and the other half was you know let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/188">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► pretend that were inside of a video game is at Rose it was crazy and it was super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/194">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► fun and that and that one came at the end of like a for me a 16-hour day setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/201">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► and that might be a little mind blowing to have Elon Musk up they're speculating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/207">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► on whether it may know the idea was that you know and it's not like he's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/211">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► first person i mean anybody who ever smoked a little weed and colleges had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/214">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► the same yeah the same you could go down that rabbit hole pretty easily but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/217">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► mean you get it's a serious question that that actual scientists have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/224">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► pondered is is the universe as we perceive it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/227">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► what could it be a computer civil is our simulation of some kind of you know some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/230">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► kind of super advanced civilization right and i think his answer was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/235">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► there's a one-in-a-million chance that were not in a simulation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/241">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► yeah I have to say I I i disagree with that I kind of feel i kinda lean towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/245">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► the Occam's razor explanation that know this probably is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/250">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► I I don't wanna you know I think people should watch it because it's interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/257">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► to see a smart guy riff on this it really is i'm not trying to discourage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/260">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► people from actually watching it I promise I promise to put the links to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/263">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► those two videos in the show notes they really are worth watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/266">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► I think that the argument that there's an infinitesimally small chance that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/269">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► this is the real universe is that if you assume that computers are going to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/274">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► getting faster at the rate that they've gotten faster you know and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/280">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► civilization is going to you know we're not going to destroy ourselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/284">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► um eventually we're going to have computers that could simulate and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/288">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► something as complex as the universe and they're going to have you know the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/292">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► are going to be billions of those stimulates of simulations so if any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/298">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► civilization got to this level of technology first then the the odds are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/301">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► that of all the things that are as complex as the universe that that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/307">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► in the one that's actually real is very small think that's fair paraphrasing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/311">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► yeah that's basically what he said which you know i mean we wouldn't know would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/314">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► but it's interesting i guess we wouldn't know what we I don't know they figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/322">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► huh that's true we need a nokia phone and some pills i guess i think that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/332">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► of the things that makes these two guys interesting and it's one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/339">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► that certain jobs just a compelling figure . but and I i think there's even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/342">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► like a term for it but that it's it's not just the fact that their CEOs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/347">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► it's not just the fact that there they run interesting companies and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/351">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► just the fact that they have their interesting minds and they come out you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/355">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► know they say interesting things but it's that the founders of the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/358">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► that CEO founder it has a certain magic and maybe there's no real maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/361">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► shouldn't maybe that's not quite logical maybe that's sort of a lizard brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/368">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► aspect of human perception but that somehow there's there's a gravitas to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/372">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► CEO founder that say Tim Cook is never going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/380">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► yeah and and I don't you know in it and and I don't know if that's because their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/386">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► founder or you know because they're still CEO but maybe just because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/393">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► the type of person that would be the founder of something truly successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/398">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► and and big and i think it's it's kind of interesting in comparison to many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/403">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► today's CEOs who make cool things and then kind of you know Escape you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/409">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► quit the company or something like that not only are they still there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/415">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► they're using their power and influence in really interesting and creative and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/420">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► productive ways you know in vases case doing space research and starting new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/426">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► companies and buying one of the nation's most storied newspapers mosque to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/433">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► basically creating now creating free start-up ideas for everyone every couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/440">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► years like the Hyperloop and now what was he talking about the the mesh that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/446">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► goes in your brain and you forgot us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/452">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► yeah that totally lost me there yeah I believe him and I right I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/456">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► that's cool i really i really liked it and you could also so we you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/463">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► also had sundar Pichai which you know in the same vein as cook like he's the CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/468">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► one of the most powerful companies in the world is an interesting guy but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/474">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► doesn't carry the same weight as a Bezos and then bill and melinda gates and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/480">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► could you can really tell that bill is no longer thinking as the CEO microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/486">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► but is you know it as a world-leading philanthropist and is really actively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/490">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► much more interested in science and and medicine then you know that the nuts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/496">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► bolts of technology and the internet yeah something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/504">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► sink to and I i don't know if it's coincidence or if there's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/511">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► something to it to the fact that Bezos and musk are in fact directly competing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/514">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► in terms of that having a space in a rocket ship startups trying to privatize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/519">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► space exploration something that had previously been entirely a government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/526">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► overseen endeavor Elon Musk has space ask X and what space is this blue origin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/532">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► is that me yeah that's it that's it the origin III don't know if that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/540">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► coincidence I don't know if that's just a factor of you know that couple of guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/545">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► born in the sixties when space you know as young boys with an interest in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/551">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► technology how could you not be obsessed with space and that if you ever got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/559">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► successful enough that be in the position to do it it's inevitable that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/563">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► they would or is there something to it like is this really going to be a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/567">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► yeah that I think it's some of both i think you know if you have essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/573">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► what's bigger than trying to you know leave the planet you know it's hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/580">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► imagine bigger things than that but I do think a lot of it has to do with when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/587">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► they grew up I don't know if you know I I don't know if Mark Zuckerberg has more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/591">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► interest in space for example he might I don't know and I don't know if that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/596">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► just because of who he is and or our sample set is pretty small here but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/600">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► is interesting coincidence that the two of them are are so into it or maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/605">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► a coincidence that it's certainly interesting i don't know do you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/610">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► I have late breaking news live late breaking news I have to interrupt the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/620">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► my wife just came into the office while recording she no I knew that must have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/626">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► been a big deal she found my missing canisters for the busy machine that up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/630">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► where were they Amy we're gonna do it we're going to reveal it on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/639">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► where was it fun and they were in the coat closet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/650">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► somebody put them like in a milk crate and the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/655">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► I don't know who would do such a thing you one of them on the floor and i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/658">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► you did you put them there no I believe that I believe that that my wife is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/670">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► perpetrator and I believe that's why she came in with a very sheepish grin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/674">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► that's cool how many are there three are several right well now I've gotta now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/679">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► I've got a lot you might bite my system with the SodaStream is i have four in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/685">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► the house at all times and as soon as three are empty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/691">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► I take the 32 the wood local william sonoma and exchange them for another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/694">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► three but that that way if i put it off for a couple of days I've got the fourth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/699">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► you know keeping me carbonated so our long national mystery of where my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/705">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► missing three canisters were is over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/710">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► all right where were we what we talked about spaceships see my system is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/713">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► used one up and then not make sodastream for six months haha night I wouldn't i'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/717">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► i would die of dehydration lodge have to buy i buy like the six-pack of whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/723">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► foods sparkling water right anyway we're talking about space do I want to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/727">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► space no i don't think i do I don't know I don't know I feel like I grew up at at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/732">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► the wrong time like i was born in 1973 so I've never been alive when there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/737">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► and i love the space shuttle stuff when I was a kid but then it's like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/744">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► like cool we have a reusable spaceship you know it made it seem like there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/750">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► a there was a coolness to that right there it even as a little kid you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/754">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► tell that there was something wrong about the idea that they built this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/758">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► massive skyscrapers sighs rockets that look like just amazing and I just filled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/761">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► with jet fuel and then by the time these guys got into space there in these tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/768">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► little things that were just at the tip and then they come back and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/772">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► when they'll and it's you know all that comes back into the ocean is this tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/775">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► little thing that you know looks like a refrigerator and you could tell the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/779">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► techs inefficient so when the space shuttle program started i was i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/787">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► know i remember being I was in school the day the first space shuttle launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/790">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► and you know that was so awesome they can only let everybody got out of class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/794">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► and we crowd around the TV and watch you know watch it on the news and i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/798">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► they even let us do it again when it landed i think when it like that space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/803">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► shuttle landed they pulled us all out of class and let us watch it was amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/806">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► because here's the ship and when you know like they're still Rockets you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/810">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► that to get into space there were disposable Rockets but the main ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/813">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► itself came back that seem like k we're getting somewhere and then nothing else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/816">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► really happened right i mean it's like after the space shuttle and the space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/820">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► shuttle program had a couple of you know like with the Challenger disaster was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/825">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► yeah yeah for i would say for me that the main problem is I'm just not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/830">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► a desert guy so going to Mars it's like where I don't really not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/835">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► interested in going to a giant desert if there were lush mountains and streams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/840">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► maybe that that would be interesting but yeah I could see it it may be you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/847">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► like the 2001 a Space Odyssey idea if they put a hilton just in orbit around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/851">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► the Earth yeah put a help in orbit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/856">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► I i might be convinced to go to that but I feel like it going to Mars it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/859">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► know it seems like certainly within our lifetime there's never gonna be a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/867">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► go there that's not you know it at you know incredibly long trip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/869">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► I know I I feel like it's a long enough trip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/874">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► flying to California right yeah that's going to say enough this it's enough fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/877">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► to go to LA for a few days and if I either help nor in low orbit that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/885">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► would I i will i will withhold the the right to go up there that could be neat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/890">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► that's basically like one of those emirates flight swear you have the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/894">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► the suite with the bath the shower now just going for him for a week instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/899">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► yeah and you know it would be cool to experience weightlessness i guess i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/907">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► not sure i get the infatuation with it and i think you know i think you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/912">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► right i think it is sort of generational though and maybe these guys are right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/916">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► you know like you know maybe there was something to the the the sixties john f [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/919">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► kennedy you know challenge to to do something like that seems more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/924">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► coincidental that basis and Oscar both both have that obsession [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/929">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► well maybe next year we need to have them both on at the same time dueling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/934">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► yeah it makes me wonder like like two bases hangout was he there the next day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/941">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► did I would like to do they spend any time together I know it was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/944">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► basis the first night in Moscow second and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/947">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► musk was late getting there so he was obviously wasn't there you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/950">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► no to my knowledge there was no hanging out just kind of a bummer be cool if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/955">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► kind of the VIP guests hung out and stayed around for a while but a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/961">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► times now they just kinda take take off go back to wherever they come from go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/968">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► back to their bond blares Bond villain years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/975">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► yeah I heard I heard last year that that the snapchat guy basically showed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/978">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► took a brand-new tshirt out of a box put it on went onstage got off stage and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/985">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► then left basic looking but the new t-shirt thing that gets me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/992">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► yeah I'm not going onstage of that now is like a brand new mini edition deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/998">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► v-neck t-shirt go on to forget the brand and we actually so we just relaunched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► the site i should probably explain why I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► there but basically you know the vox media bought recode of over just over a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► year ago and you know many part in many reasons for the code conference itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► but also because the recode website is so influential and you know just a brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► that people know and and I think trust and you know they want to do a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► with it so they approach me earlier this year with kind of that that in mind and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► it sounded like a really exciting opportunity for me so with the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► thing we did was was completely redesigned the site and relaunch it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► the vox media publishing system and and now we're we're about to open a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► jobs and and hire new people and and expand our coverage and and do a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► that sort of stuff so Daniel left off the very most important thing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► oh yeah we we got rid of the / government / which I never gave you any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► no that was like my first day I think they were like what are we gonna do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► slashing we are getting rid of the / if there's ever a question about how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► write the name of your site that is a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► so it was great that's that's why it that I think they should have instantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► even if it was the first day they should be given you a raise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► yeah i mean i think i remember maybe it was even you when it when they launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► you're like I don't know about this lat i was i was immediately i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► immediately questioning / yeah I didn't know what the history of it was and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► asked about it last week and i found out about it and let's just say it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► it's not an interesting story so I won't repeat it but no one I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► anyone's really tied to it so well i'm all about simplicity I mean if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► remember my every time I build a website it's the simplest layout possible and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► you know no note too much not too much depth ER or complications so my face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► recode has had that as part of their brand right from the start that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► when they had the slashing their name it has been a very reader-friendly site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► I think I think it got better i think it I think that the redesign it better it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► better I mean before the front page was this very pinterest looking thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► ya variable height blocks and you know and you could say well the front page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► people don't really go there are front page is actually still very popular is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► often the most popular page on the site and it's much simpler now it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► it's just it's a standard reverse cron actually not always reverse chronicles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► we have we have complete control over the order of the the post but it's much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► so any my impression is almost mostly reverse crunch but you guys can pin like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► yeah we can we actually do some painting throughout the river like if there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► feature story will keep that in the river up top for a few days something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► like that but but before like the headline family's future which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► great if you're like one word here and there but not really the kind of fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► you'd want to ever read a sentence in for example so some of the stuff i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► it wasn't it wasn't bad it's just at to me it was an opportunity to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► simplify and got to work with the really talented design actually the guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► made our logo designed the oculus logo for facebook he his design he designed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► the logo for curved and some of the other box media properties so I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► happy with it yeah and the logo has a little homage to the / yes the implied / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► yeah and that actually was a little more pronounced in the earlier versions of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► and I kind of had them to get a little bit but it works i mean that the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► point is for the design to get out of the way and just break news and do good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► analysis and will do more we we did a few really big ambitious profile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► features for re-launch which is about a month ago including a really well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1255">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► reported feature one of the first really about Evan Spiegel the founder of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► snapchat and we sent one of our reporters to Kansas City to write about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► google fiber which had had now celebrated i believe its fifth birthday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► and both of those stories did so well that we were almost surprised and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► now we have to figure out how to do more of those because they were really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► outside of our kind of workflow so where were really happy with that and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► you know the the I guess kind of the the the backpack story is that for me it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► reunion with my first boss Peter Kafka who I worked with at forbes a almost 11 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► years ago and we left together in 2007 to start silicon alley insider with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► Henry Blodgett so we were the first three people with the site that became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► business insider and then Peter left to join Karen Walton all things D and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► stayed on and now you know what is really a decade later we're reunited and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► that's when you and I first got to know each other was when you're at a business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► insider or silicon so kind of finale or their alley insider i still remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► first time you linked to us and I said something like well this is wrong but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► here so i don't remember but claimed chatter or something yeah I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► definitely and what's your title your like the editor right I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► editor-in-chief editor-in-chief now you Peter Kostis possum sort of uh huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► no one's really Peters bus but no I mean he's here we work together there's and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► Kara Swisher obviously is very involved in the site but basically it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► my sight to do what I want with and my perspective is that you know having now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► worked at some really interesting business publications and watch the text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► you know I think all you need is the tech section so you know I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► wrote somewhere that I tech we used to cover tech as a thing but now take is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► everything so we'll keep adding new coverage areas we recently hired a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► really wonderful transportation reporter to cover the rise of well it's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► growth of uber Tesla and those types of companies and you know I anticipate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► and by the way that's a role that you know even three years ago we would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► kind of scratched our heads out like well why would a text cite Nina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► transportation reporter but obviously portion of course you do it is funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► that it'sit's that's a perfect example of like how this industry changes on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► you know five years is a good good distance to go back five years ago that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► would have been like a head-scratcher and today it's like you're not if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► don't totally I mean five years ago it i think you were already existed but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► would have been covered as a you know an appt startup or something like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► now everything is a nap startup really and just every industry is is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► be a you know reimagine by tech some faster than others and transportation is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► one that we've kind of identified early as something that we should really have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► a have a say in uncovering I imagine you know at some point we'll be covering the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► tech of of food or a finance or all kinds of stuff basically wherever we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► ever wherever we have personal interest or wherever we find a really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► journalist who can do kinda on that coverage for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► have you seen a story that sort of mini controversy about Tesla yesterday about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► like some guys Tesla had to suspend the ball joint the suspension sort of rusted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► you see this story i did not i put it in the show notes but there is a guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► I'd never heard of before named Niedermayer don't mix which always makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► me think of animal house but I've never heard anybody is a longtime car industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► automobile industry writer Edward Niedermayer okay not that i know another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► Niedermayer know and i'll send you a link but I ok I'm pasting this into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► show notes right now so I won't forget area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► boom there it is and the gist of his article is riding on Tesla Tesla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► responded and it seems it again it's sort of like you know musk as jobs like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► four sometimes like like with those like I'm sometimes he'd sign them like with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► thoughts on music but like member the one time there was like a fact on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► app store it was like an FAQ and it was like there was some stuff in their life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► you know the app store doesn't need any more fart apps you know not everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► needs to be made and you can just tell that Steve Jobs yeah not just like stood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► over it but that he liked his hands on the keyboard for some of that and it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► the Tesla PR response to this was a sort of dismissive in a way it totally in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► way that like you know and there's enough people that test was out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► they're obviously not all falling apart but you know the gist of it was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► they really blame this guy because he lived at the day like a two-mile Drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► way to a remote home that was like a dirt road and that the car was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► covered with dirt and it's sort of an unexpected use of it but it's you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► right but the gist of this Niedermayer guys at what made it more interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► than this specific incident of this ball joint in one test lab model s and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► whether they're in general there's a problem is this guy who's a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► automobile industry watcher is very pessimistic on Tesla more so than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► anybody i've seen in his argument is that again i put in the show notes it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► an interesting argument i'm probably linked it from daring fireball actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► just haven't gotten around to it yet but his argument is that it's there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► counterintuitive aspect to pricing cars and that people think hey when you spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► a lot of money on a car like let's say like a model s you expect a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► quality car and that's actually not true because you go to super expensive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► get like a Lamborghini or Ferrari in things fall apart all the time and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► always in the shop and it doesn't matter because if you've got enough money for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► ferrari you could just have your chauffeur drive you around in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► Mercedes until the cars back out of the shop and that it's the lower you go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► prices the lower the price car the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► or the person who's buying it absolutely positively relies on it and therefore it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► needs reliability and that that's the secret to Toyota and Honda success you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► know starting in the seventies is that they from the top down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► we're focused on a quality in a way that a company from Silicon Valley is isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► going to get it right because quality at every step of the process is sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► event the antithesis of the silicon valley model which is move fast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► we'll fix problems later like the revolution that Toyota brought to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► assembly line was that the old way was that the car would keep moving down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► assembly line and even if all was identified they try to fix the fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► after i got off the end of the assembly line and what Toyota is the Toyota Way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► and you know that's actually a thing like the w is capitalized the Toyota Way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► is that as soon as a fault is identified in a car in the assembly line the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► assembly line shuts down and I almost move in in Reverse to identify where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► fault happened and fix it right there to make sure that it isn't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► perpetrate created in more than one car even if it's expensive to shut down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1733">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► assembly line and do it that way but then that that that sort of expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► that is sort of what motivates everybody along the way to be hyper focus that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► don't want to be the guy who shut down you know cause the assembly line to shut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► down and that Tesla doesn't have that mindset and as they move down to more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► what's this one called the model 31 sitcom think so whatever the one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► called that everybody went nuts foreign and bought a gazillion pre-orders for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► this 35,000 our price range people's expectations for reliability are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► to be way higher than they were for the hundred-thousand-dollar model s and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► doesn't think that they're suited to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► interesting theory yeah I don't know about that i mean he seems really I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► again I don't know I've never i don't own a successful I don't know what their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► kind of global reliability is but he did seem to really care about quality when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► he was talking about a code where he was saying even that the people who bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► the base level 35 thousand dollar version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► would get a pretty freaking awesome car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► yeah you know definitely not like the kind of situation where you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► upgrade to the fifty-thousand-dollar tier or whatever you know making a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► number up to get a great car so I it seems like safety is probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► biggest priority but also and you know and also cool features but I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► it seems like i don't have the perception that Tesla doesn't care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► I don't know I you know it might also be the kind of thing where they're not old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► enough to have a long-term example of of how their cars hold up over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► that seems like what you know how you are describing this will fix it later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► that seems like the attitude for a lot of software companies especially because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► the Internet has made it so easy to patch software as it goes and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► you could also argue that that's one of apple's problems that they don't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► enough but when it comes to hardware it seems like the companies that excel at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► hardware make stuff to last more than the software company so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► and the other part of the controversy is that apparently it's come out that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► you're with with certain out of warranty of repairs that if your Tesla is out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► warranty let's say it's like three years old and you take it in but it's a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► problem and they run it up the chain like hey should we fix it for this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► or at a discount or free that sometimes when they do that they ask the person or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► in exchange for it they they have you signed what they call a goodwill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► agreement which is effectively an NDA that you're not going to talk about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► your will you know instead of charging three thousand dollars for this repair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► will only charge you a thousand dollars but you but you need to sign this that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► says you're not going to talk about the problem and people had some people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► spooked about the you know the the in a way that some people just get spooked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► when anybody's asked to sign an NDA yeah or how about the guy who would eat trash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► them on Twitter so you can't ya just literally can't is to Stewart Alsop well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► I'm technology columnist and and now a VC and Ilan much personally cancelled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1937">TS</a>]
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00:32:33 ◼ ► savvy about some of the stuff they do i wrote a post a couple years ago about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► how they are effectively a their own media company to the way he would the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► way that he handled criticism by the new york times and in other situations where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► Tesla essentially published you know their own media without going to another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► reporter or something like that there are certainly ahead of the head of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1975">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► yeah up I've got these i put a couple links in the show notes already so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/1981">TS</a>]
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00:33:22 ◼ ► oh here's what they make they make a brand new system of Wi-Fi routers why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2002">TS</a>]
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00:33:32 ◼ ► Wi-Fi is broken because for most people in most houses unless you live in like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► studio apartment its if you have dead zones in your house were like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► you don't get good Wi-Fi it's because it's just really hard for one Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► router to reach everywhere it's just it's really just the nature of physics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► that the the the waves just can't pass through walls as easily as they can pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► through the air and most people have walls and floors and multiple floors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► houses so it really doesn't make sense and then the old way of trying to extend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► I you know oftentimes you'd end up with multiple networks within your house it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► a cap to be like as the system administrator to to do it so the single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► router models just doesn't work what you need is a distributed system and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► what 0 is and it is amazingly simple so they sent me as part of the sponsorship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► they sent me a package i got it i set it up they sent me a 3-pack they give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► each one is identical they're just little pucks little apple tv's ask sized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► sucks a little bit thinner a little bit bigger but a little square round wreck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► puck honestly it really does look like something apple with design it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► sort of a visual aesthetic it's not something you'd want to hide you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► somewhere in a cabinet or something like that it's it easily something you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► wouldn't mind having out you know on behind your TV or whatever it is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► got all the security stuff you'd want state-of-the-art wpa2 encryption great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► customer support you can call them up on the phone and get ahold of my Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2105">TS</a>]
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00:35:16 ◼ ► thousand square feet of your home most houses two or three heroes find so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► three pack is a good starting point for just about anybody and if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► buy more you can just buy more and it you just plug it in to your router your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► place to take your old router throw it away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► plug this into your cable with ethernet right just one of them gets the ethernet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► then wherever else you want to put them around your house just put a couple more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► and they just configure themselves into a mesh network and just offer one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► effectively from you as somebody who just wants to hook up your macbook to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► the Wi-Fi or iphone to the Wi-Fi it just looks like one network you put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► password in to configure it you don't have to go to one of those goofy figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2156">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► you know fakey fake websites worth with the IP address whatever they've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► nice app right there in the App Store for iPhone and Android you just go there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► on the app and configure it right there really nice app for configuration could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► not be easier one of the pox it's not like a special one just pick one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► one of them plug it into the ethernet plug a couple more in around the house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► on different floors and all of a sudden the the fact that you can't get Wi-Fi in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► your bedroom or something like that it's it's all over so I've got one I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► vouch for the ease i can vouch for the fact that the dead spots that we've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► in our house are no longer deadspots really really great so if you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► looking if you've got if you dissatisfied with your Wi-Fi in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2197">TS</a>]
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00:37:00 ◼ ► my thanks to ero speaking of breaking news what do you think about scoop scoop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► gurbin leaving 9to5 mac and his head in a bloomberg yeah it's funny I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► heard about that few months prior right in and say anything and i'm glad i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► amazed that stayed uh stay quiet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► I heard about it too i heard about it back at the March apple event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► oh cool and I even heard that it was Bloomberg and yeah I thought about being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► snarky and posting something about it that now because it seemed like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► wasn't it wasn't up and it wasn't clear to me whether South Weintraub 9to5 mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► new turns out i think he did at least by march but I didn't want to be I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► want him to hear it that way and I thought as good but i just thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► was funny that that mark Gurman who spoils all these things for apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► other companies that a couple people i know knew and nobody nobody leaked yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2274">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► that's restraint i think it's great i think it's cool i mean it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► a bummer to compete with him you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► so hey Mark a few if you find yourself miserable at Bloomberg give me a call i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► think it's cool you know it is going to get to work with brad stone was a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► journalist and have what i would imagine are very nice resources available to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► them and also a TV network and and also you know in an organization that has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► very specific mission and a business model that has nothing to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► internet advertising and is being run by a you know an on an on web guy who many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► people thought would would not really come back and and this is mike boomer of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► course not really come back and be the boss again and then showed up and was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► and you know it is a very profitable business that is dominated by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► terminal which is going to face increasing competition so it's it's and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► is also kind of a in the business of producing solace but extremely accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► very fast you know market-moving news so should be interesting i mean i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► guess that a lot of the stuff that would be publishable at 9to5 mac will not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► publishable at Bloomberg either because it's too small you know like feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► story you know it's not i don't mean long feature stories I mean stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► about features of products that probably wouldn't you know wouldn't really cut it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► we'll see how that goes i don't know it also sounds like he's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► working on non-apple stuff too so if he can use some of his reporting techniques [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► which you know I admire to break news on another big companies i thought i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► that he was gonna be working on stuff like Google and Amazon as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2396">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► consumer tech I think that's great so it should be really interesting to see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► yeah it's the scoop aspect and that's why when I heard Bloomberg months ago it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► immediately clicked is that makes sense because it Bloomberg again this is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► know you and I get a little inside baseball but Bloomberg and end it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► it's interesting to you because recode is definitely ate a scoop company to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► write like you guys definitely pride ourselves on breaking some stories a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► of stories first absolutely and and Bloomberg its institutional at Bloomberg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► to like you know it's sort of almost the opposite of me is almost seldom ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► break anything and don't really care about it but it's you know if and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► exemplified by the leaderboard at tech meme at which you know Carmen is so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► out in the top of its ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► tell you that I think you're right though it's gonna be interesting to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► how his at the faster and Loser style or standards of 9to5 mac compare you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► how that translates to an institution with a more formal set of standards and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► you know i would say not having ever worked with mark that his his accuracy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► rate suggest that his personal standards are quite high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► yes because it's very easy to get sucked into posting what you think is the scoop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► and then being wrong whereas you know even when he is somewhat wrong it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► usually you know could be easily explained by well he was right at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► time but you know three months passed and totally reasonable for Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► change the name of something or you know what whether they don't think they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► it despite him that one time whatever but now but like he you know to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► recollection is never really been wrong about something in a way that suggests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2516">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► that his journalism is highly flawed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► I you know I don't know who his sources are but my guess is that he's has pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► high personal standards about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► so I've actually also never worked for Bloomberg so I don't know what how how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► the there's also the bloomberg way capital W and and i'm not sure how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► will work with with mark but it certainly is a is an interesting place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► to be right now so should be fun for this learning experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► I mean that dude is 23 so he can do it he can kind of do a lot of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► stuff and figure out what he likes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► yeah it's and if you know he doesn't like it he can always move on Interstate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► know but it to me it's also interesting that he went that route as opposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► you know doing his own thing or taking on you no more independent stuff like 95 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2571">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► or yeah creating his own company or trying to work somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► yeah and i have no idea who else he talked to you know he certainly could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► work at a lot of places i mean i would obviously have wanted to hire him it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► recode if if if I got him before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► Bloomberg kid but yeah it's cool i mean you know to be to be open about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► what i was thinking you know this was when i was thinking about doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► something new this year one of the things that jump back to mine was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► my own thing again and you know splat up too . or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► there's nowadays there are business models that didn't really exist when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► so what about this new app store stuff i think it's interesting so you you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► breathe so why don't you start off and explain what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► so only I guess what happened yeah so it's very fast-moving of his monday and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► some of that Apple PR asked me if if I could be available tuesday for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► half-hour or so phone call with phil schiller about some developer news that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► they're putting out ahead of WWDC next week I said I would try to find some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► time maybe i could maybe I could squeeze that in so tuesday an addict just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► conference call but it you know and speakerphone and a couple of people on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► the other end but you know it wasn't like other it was just me on my end it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► wasn't like the other report i think some people the people in California got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► to meet with him live like that the verge that obviously wasn't gonna work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► for me but yeah and chiller told me that three things that are three of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► things that they're doing or I have already done is the faster review times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► for the app store all the app stores we've noticed that he has you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► developers who are submitting apps and that are used to week-long approval [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► times getting their app approved same day you know it sticks out but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► it's not some kind of short-term happenstance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► it's a deliberate plan that they took three parts of the day what they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► staffing changes once I think under a couple of managers in there who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► sort of roadblocks to to moving this forward and that there are no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► there but in addition to that I think it was very clear talking to show her that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► the in addition to the staffing changes i think that there's also just the sum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► some changes to the way they're applying just the pure manpower of how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► people are doing it the reviews tool changes and I heard a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► about this off the record from other people later in the week but definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► some some really good engineers at apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► I mean they're not talking about the details of what these tools are but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► there's there's been a significant effort expended within Apple to create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► internal tools to expedite this offer the the app review process they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► revealing details not even off the record but it's not minor to this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► I've understood that months months of time from really good engineers were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► applied to this and then the last one mystery one to me is policy changes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► I asked Schiller if he could expand upon that expound upon that and he hesitated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► and said I'd rather not talk about it so I don't know what that means but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► didn't mean any stop and he did give one example and he said well here's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► example that if if and a developer has three apps and they're sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► interrelated and and they update some core component of it and all three apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► get submitted at the same time now when the reviewer pulls the app from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► I mean I he didn't use the word inbox but effectively the inbox of of apps up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► they'll get all three at once and they can review them together and if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► any kind of you know interconnectedness between the apps it can really XP kit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► can make it you know an hour-long thing instead of a days-long thing which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► interesting but to me that's not really a policy change that sounds like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► more part of the tool changes i suspect that part of the policy this is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► nobody told me this this is just my thinking about what this could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► nobody told me this on the record or off the record so i could be way off but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► can't help but think that maybe some of the policy changes are a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► almost just granting the reviewers a little bit of common sense a latitude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► where like if a developer if they pull up the dap and they look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► developers history and it's marco arment and here's all the absence had before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► here's the a piece of me a new version of overcast here's the previous updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► to overcast and he says that this is an update that fixes a sinking bug and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► may be that there's a sort of like well I think we can trust this guy look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► he's got a reputation put it through you know that don't you know to run whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► tests you want to do but that at an a permanent a developer with a trusted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► record is going to get less of a a thorough combing over then I brand new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► one . o app from a developer who doesn't really have a history or whose history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► isn't really a high-profile I can't help but think that it must be there must be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► something like that i don't know i mean and this seems to make sense and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► anything it's it's kind of absurdly late to make changes like this i mean if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► if you think of the app store is a nine-year-old product pretty much every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► other product that was launched nine years ago as has been vastly improved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► and that it seems like you know whether it's just a low priority for Apple but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► the developer app store experience just really didn't change that much over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► years yeah the things that they added were so minor I mean those things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► bundles you know where you could sell to the same developer could sell bundle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► two or three apps as a single purchase you know it's that's I mean it was nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► but I mean it's like wow that's not really a major change and it it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► something that really addressed some of the fundamental problems that developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► had with the app store like these lengthy review times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► right and i think it's fair way i would guess that if there were any kind this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► is you know it's far-fetched but the idea that i remember back in the day was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► over there should be multiple app stores and apple should have to compete with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► with other app stores you you could bet that if there were other app stores that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► apple would have made improvements like this a long time ago and much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► yes it's nice to see stuff like this happen but I you know so there was a not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/2996">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► really not like a major reorg but a minor reorganize and promotions back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► December within Apple and one of the things that got shuffled around that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► appstore got moved from being under Eddy Cue to being under phil schiller and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► that Phil Schiller was going to take it much more active role in overseeing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► and this is the result of it that's why she was Schiller who is giving me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► and jim dalrymple and the verge Lauren good at the verge and I think in the UK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► Telegraph I forget who wrote it but i think that they might have been the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► for we might have been the only for who got a day in advance and if it was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► than that it wasn't anymore but that's why it was sure doing a briefing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► I mean this is his this these are the results of his actions i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► completely non hyperbolic to say that the app stores improved more in the six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► months under Schiller than it did in eight years under any Q I i don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► that original and why is that and a couple you know they're from people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► emailing me you know Twitter you know what's this is eddy cue is incompetent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► what's what's the problem I don't think that's the case i think it's i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► think it's a case that Eddy Cue couldn't get things like this done i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► just that he didn't choose to that it that his worldview and what he saw as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► important in the store wasn't as developer focused as it as it is under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► Schiller and I just think it didn't it didn't rise to a priority level that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► that it got done like it might these things might have been on the list under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► cute but that they didn't percolate to the top of the list and therefore didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► get done well it's also very easy for Apple feel like the app store is a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► I mean and a huge success that right the number the growth was was unprecedented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► the numbers are all up into the right and right and how you know how can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► argue with success of this storm by the way we've we've written you check for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3116">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► billions of dollars so why aren't you happier 40 billion dollars i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► the number and i think i think that's what shoulder told me the other day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► and and that might be it might just be that that was the number from January [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► and it doesn't even include whatever they've paid since from january to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► $MONTH now because of that that hasn't been either hasn't a leader hasn't been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► authorized to come out and to me what's even more amazing it and could be 10 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► you know a hundred times more amazing is that's only the money that goes through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► the itunes system it does not include the money that goes for example directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► to Boober or driving like that when I is in my you know i'm i'm making this up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► but it's it could be five to a hundred times more money that that actually goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► through apps that has nothing to do with with that 40 billion dollars so yeah for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► me by far and away the most money I spend on Hooper without question through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► the most money I spend has got to be the ruber know where they are the apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► store app when I buy a new laptop or something like that but for amazon or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► whatever yeah but that's that there's so much money that goes to these apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► you you really do have to make it a better product for for him developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► for app users for everyone so you know so the other is the other changes are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► more I guess they're all kind of developer focused well the subscription [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► pricing so I say how do they kind of frame that it was it was framed as we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► had subscriptions but for a very limited number of type of apps cut mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► content producing apps like video streaming audio streaming you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► Spotify it's great healer is such a pro that he's never knocked off so it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► he never mentions any competitors even just on like a phone call never even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► though it never did mention span Spotfire panda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► but he just mentioned you know streaming audio streaming video remember the daily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3236">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► i think was one of the first yeah yeah yeahs job and he said news news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► obviously qualifies you know you can subscribe 22 paywall publications like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► the New York Times and Wall Street Journal through an app more or less an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► app that you have to subscribe to get content in you know on a regular basis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► and he said where you know we want to change that to open that up to all app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► categories and he mentioned and I didn't quote him on this but i know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► verge did to the verge quoted him on it that it would apply to like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► Productivity app that requires you know constant updates to support features and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► and stuff like that and so I took it and initially as meaning that just about any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► app would be able to use subscription pricing in any way they see fit so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3294">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► if you wanted to like an app like Vesper that that you know me and brent Simmons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► and and Davis made if we want to just do subscription pricing we could just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► subscription pricing ah and then you know when they published their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► Apple's website that language on the webpage made it seem as though it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► still mostly about getting content and it was very very confusing and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► i emailed Apple PR and I got got answers but they were opaque and the lid long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► story short you know and then I got a phone call and the answer is i posted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► something last night about this that you know they're they're still thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► about how to clarify this but that they're absolutely aware of developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► uncertainty about this definitely i keep looking forward to two talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3354">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► developers next week at WWDC about the way that developers have in their head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► that they'd like to use subscription [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► and that in the week after WWDC they anticipate posting publishing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► that clarifies some kind of fact that clarifies what the rules are going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► when does this take effect is it part of the iOS 9 sdk an app store or is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► something that won't really work until iOS 10 anyway I is a good question i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► think its iOS 10 I think they're launching up so they have time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► yeah they said that they're launching a beta over summer there are already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► subscription apps and they'll get to take advantage of that new pricing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► system immediately it sounds like yeah well any other new rep share one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► biggest that might be the biggest thing that they announced that any app was any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► app using subscriptions after the subscription is a year old this revenue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► split exchanges from 70 30 which is what Apple publicly used for everything at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3417">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► all times everywhere there are long-standing rumors that like on Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► TV some of the third individual deals made out with companies that are better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► probably 8515 i guess but that at least for developers in the iOS and mac app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► stores everything is 7030 in-app purchases at purchases subscriptions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► everything after a year it goes 8515 until the end of the subscription and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► that's perfect because that's a significant difference especially if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► it's a three four five six years subscription [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► it's a lot a lot of money it's like a twenty percent increase so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► interesting and it applies and meet that applies immediately so if I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► so if you already have a subscription app you know that that previously a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► qualified first subscription with the old rules all of your subscribers who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► have been with you for more than a year that's starting next week i think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► know when the next billing cycle for those subscriptions comes around it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► be 8515 for you that applies immediately which is nice I mean you you could also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► argue that it really should just be ninety-seven percent three percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► because once the marketing is done apples really only facilitating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► trick credit card transactions but you know they also are in the position to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► set the rules so I think it's interesting that to me one of the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► interesting things about this subscription thing is that this is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► of the problem the appstore solved for prior mobile apps if you you know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► think back to the days before the iphone when you had a flip phone or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► they're there were apps and there were games and that kind of stuff and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► were all sold on subscriptions and they were comically overpriced subscriptions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► and the phone companies took most of the money and the developers got hoes down a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► lot of it which is one of the reasons that these said that these apps really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► never took off but they all got added to your phone bill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► yeah and I but i think they were even like class-action lawsuits about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► know how you would kind of get suckered into subscribing to one of them and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► never get never it was never easy to get to unsubscribe and that's that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► stuff but when the app store came out and 2008 and made it you know an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► ownership model where for a few bucks and then you know what what eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► went down to 99 cents and free you could actually buy a nap and owned it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► that was a huge difference over the previous model where you know you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► get Tetris for 599 a month or something like that of which the developer got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► less than half of it and so it is a different time and you obviously the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► devices themselves have changed so much since then and the absent themselves too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► i think the better the better model now to kind of look at is this is is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► i think the better the better model now to kind of look at is this is is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3593">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► is how profoundly different Adobe's businesses now that they've been able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► switch to recurring subscription revenue for their creative suite products and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► likeness and Microsoft 244 office and you know and if if Apple's trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► make the ipad pro a professional device and they want companies like Adobe and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► Microsoft to make their highest end software for it they really need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► support the business models that those companies are using so i think that I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► do expect them to clarify what sort of apps could do subscriptions I mean we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► you know you also see on the indie side you see an app like Marcos podcasting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► app where he charges in optional subscription just because you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► support him so he doesn't renew though I don't think yeah and I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► that how that sort of thing I wonder if that I wonder if that would hold up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► under whatever policies they would Institute them i think that I I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► optimistic about this if apple takes a laissez-faire attitude to it and let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► developers I to me apples role should be there to serve as the trusted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► intermediary be between you and the developer you're paying for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► subscription to meaning that apple will be there to make sure that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► unsubscribe easily at any time that you're not going to get the rate changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► on you behind your back any rate change you have to approve explicitly that sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► of thing and i think that's that's a perfect and other than that I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► they should just let developers try whatever pricing they want and see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► I don't think that they should really get away so they give a developer of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► something that doesn't get any content at all like a calculator app like p calc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► from James Thompson wants to switch to at three dollars a year subscription so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3715">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► that there's ongoing revenue and he can keep doing things like updating the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► not have to you know because there's no upgrade this is the part there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► upgrades in the app store and I don't think there are going to be and so apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► like tweet bot and twitterrific have done things over the years were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► when tweet pod comes out with a major new version of Tweetbot it's a new SKU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► in the app store and if you own Tweetbot three to get tweetbot for you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► buy tweetbot for and it downloads as a new app next to Tweetbot three on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► on your device and you have to set it up again and make sure your counselor in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► there and then probably you know delete the old version of weak pots you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► getting like duplicate notifications for the dms and stuff like that and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► whole fiddly like now I've got two apps on my home screen and I want to delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► the old one and use the new one it's even worse in some ways than old-school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3775">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► managing your applications on a Mac or PC because of the sandbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► although I guess maybe two AB from the same developer i think maybe when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► with treatment because it's the same developer they can look in the sandbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► yeah I guess that actually now that I think about it wanna i'm confused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► because i have a beta tester of tweaked . so I see all sorts of weird stuff but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► i guess maybe they can read the old Tweetbot three information because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► they're they're the same developer and so it's a little bit easier to migrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► but the whole idea of having to manage these apps as two different apps and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► keep it straight and delete the one you don't want anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► that's the that's the sort of system administration nonsense that the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► store is supposed to eliminate but there's no other way for a developer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► to put months and months and months if not years of development time into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► major new version when most of their customers are you know they already have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► most of the customers are going to get that they want to make money you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► they need to make they need to monetize the users they already have to support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► the ongoing development and to me subscription pricing is is the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► yeah i agree and i agree with your assessment that they should let the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► market sorted out if you know if people want to use this model then they'll pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/3847">TS</a>]
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01:16:35 ◼ ► it's since iOS is more popular than mac OS i'll say tap pay for tap so as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► developer you only pay if your ad is shown but the user doesn't tap it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► you only pay when the user actually taps on it so if you figure out what what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► know what conversion rate you think you can get for everybody who actually taps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► on your app and even have a calculator for that to help you figure out like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► what you should be considering your highest bid in the auction to make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► that you'd be profitable it seems like they have tools like that and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► that that the reporting tools are probably pretty good we'll have to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► yeah i mean to me at so that and then there's always users who will tap the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► add and then not don't know the app right there are people who will download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► the app and never launched it and then they'll launch it once and then never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► again so I what I don't know is will you be able to identify which of your users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► search ads oh I don't will you be able to compare them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► yeah I don't think you'll be able to do that because it's so there there's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► yes I don't will you be able to target users that have a competitor's app or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► I remember hearing once that the i add let you target users based on what may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► be either what apps they had or what songs they had purchased from itunes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4675">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► something like that I don't really remember though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► yeah I don't know either and i dare it enters you can definitely target by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► location and a user can opt out of that you know it's part of the user's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► location services and you can go to the settings and top-down but that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► interesting to me you know it's i'm not quite sure i'm not sure i can think of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► perfect example for where it would apply but that seems pretty interesting but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► those are the sorts of things like as it as a developer you would want to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► that access but apples privacy focus might prevent you from from having that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► excess so right and I'm thinking about you know like something like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► know like like if a conference has like a conference app that the location thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► could help but on the other hand that also seems like the sort of thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► where you shouldn't have to pay it all because the search terms should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► absolutely know if you type in recoat recoat conference that recode app if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► guys had a nap i don't know if you did but if you did it on why in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► would it not be the number one result anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► yeah i think we had a web app this time that that actually was very nice so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► we're actually surprisingly nice like for a web app yeah i think i mean it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► so kind of zooming out a bit i think it's interesting that they went for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► strategy of announcing these things first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► my guess is that none of these would have made the key maybe the subscription [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► pricing may have made the morning keynote but probably not the add stuff I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► think few times would because they could cover it quickly and i still think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► he had I still think they'll touch upon it i think though I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► I'll say as you as you probably heard last week you know we've made some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► changes to the appstore it lets them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► here's what I think they're gonna do you know that it's like the typical apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► keynote style where they'll introduce it and then at the end of the segment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► they'll they'll review what it is we just you know here's what we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► tell you now we're gonna tell you now we're going to review they can skip all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► but the review and just say as you've probably heard last week we've put new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:10 ◼ ► systems and tools in place to let app get app reviews to fifty percent within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4810">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► 24 hours in ninety percent within 48 hours and then the crowd will go nuts in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► this year we're adding subscription price is 200 lap categories and 200 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► price points for subscriptions and territory based pricing I i we didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► mention that but that's and I've heard and I am I try not to be us-centric but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► i can't help but be sometimes but i I've heard from a couple people that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► this territory based pricing for subscriptions could be huge and the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► that it wasn't allowed before was really problematic that effectively the old way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► was you'd set a price if you set in dollars that the price in China would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► just be the conversion rate between you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► China's currency in US currency whereas now you could set a dramatically lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4857">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► price in a country like China and India where you know your us price was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► completely out of reach of most people and apparently this is something that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► a huge deal and it could make you know subscription to even content based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► services a lot of a lot more interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► yeah I makes sense i mean if you imagine netflix has a smaller library in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► countries maybe would want charge a you know a locally whatever the local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► equivalent to eight bucks a month is supposed to the direct conversion of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► yeah yeah I you know I don't know how I could see the stuff being in the keynote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► but i can see how if the keynote was deemed full that these were the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► that were let's just announced a week in advance like I could see it both ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► like if there was room i could see holding them for the keynote if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► wasn't a none of them are that blockbuster of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► the thing that matter the blockbuster that they'll have enough to go over with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► the the arm-based mac OS to that was bloody something you told i mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► that is an example i mentioned something like like you know that apps break over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► time like like powerpc apps don't run on Intel Max anymore and I something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► that could happen again in the future with Intel to arm and that was not one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► of my koi little I know something is coming i have I don't know it i have not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► heard one thing from one person that are based macs are real thing I just common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► sense tells you though that it might it might be a thing because i think apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► has good reason to be unhappy with intel intel seems to be late with everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► from mobile chips to desktop chips Apple would surely like to have it under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► control under its own control and the existence proof is there that that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:53 ◼ ► are benchmarks that show the ipad pro outperforming the the new macbook one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4973">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► and it's at least roughly on par in terms of just pure cpu performance so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► the possibility of arm-based max is real and when they did the Intel thing back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► in $MONTH 2006 they announced it at WWDC not with hardware that you could go by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► but they pronounce it at WTC so that developers could start thinking of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► know get the tools to recompile their apps to be you know fat binaries with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► native arm and Intel code so if such a thing were to happen it it it wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► be it would actually be there is precedent that they might announce it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► WWDC nine months before the machines actually ship so who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► uh-huh alright huh i'm all for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► I think that'd be great I you know I do it I do too i don't know i think could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► be i think it's got to happen eventually I don't know it might just be you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► 34 years from now and it's like well maybe it just took a while for you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:58 ◼ ► maybe they really wanted those chips to be super fast before they do it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5038">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► just think you know I just think it could happen eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► I just think and it just seems like something that would like to have under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► so we'll see I don't know what do you think of this this week's rumor about I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► message for android it's in my notes so that's an interesting thing at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► meta-level because it came from Mac Daily News who is not really known for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► breaking rumors i Mak daily news is sort of a mysterious website to me because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► there's no byline on it but it's been around forever forever yeah I mean like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► I longer than daring fireball i'm pretty sure but I don't know who runs it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► it's a weird little site Apple to deliver I message to android at WWDC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► Apple will announce that I message encrypted text messaging is coming to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► android users at WWDC next monday according to a source familiar with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5095">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► company's thinking this will make it possible for android and iOS users to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► communicate securely as I message features and encryption blah blah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► source notes that plants are constantly in flux leading up to a bulky notes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► the time of the announcement could change but that the iMessage instant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► messenger service would quote definitely be coming to android this year the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► thing he says is that because there's a separate rumor that apple is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► allow person-to-person Apple pay payments via messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► that's that's been around for awhile and that's just common sense that Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► a payment service Apple has a secure messaging service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► why wouldn't they let me send you money through I message I don't think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► question about that it is a great topic i have been what I definitely want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► talk about it with you that the payment thing though is what confuses me because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► there I thought that so much of Apple pay was tied to the hardware in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► phones you know the secure Enclave well and to me the bigger question is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5157">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► fact that it's connected to the credit and debit card network which has a cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► to it so if you look at the free person a person payment systems they're mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► go through bank transfers ACH thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► transfers if you do want to use credit or debit you usually have to pay a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► of things square cash is free but squares in the position to lose money to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► get new users whereas like that's not really an apple right so they're eating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► those transaction fees so you wouldn't just be able to you know I couldn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:43 ◼ ► send you a hundred bucks and put it on my chase visa that would cost Apple you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5203">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► know whatever like three or 3 bucks so they're not going to do that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► know I you know and one of my colleagues reported earlier the apple pays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► interesting one of my colleagues reported earlier that they would also be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► working on Apple pay for mobile web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► I don't know how that would work with that be with their you know how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► launched and Howard safari access the secure Enclave you know going back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► the iMessage thing if I message is a marketing tool for selling iphones and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► think that's how you may be described in a in a previous show it doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► sense to launch it on Android but if I message is suddenly a platform for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► payments for potentially bots for all sorts of stuff then yeah let's get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► on as many devices as possible so and you know maybe even get a few of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► android users much like Apple music going all this these apple services are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► kinda cool maybe I should just get an iphone and log right in so I I belong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► when curious as to when there would be some sort of I message platform the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► that facebook Messenger is opening up the way slack is and you can kind of see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► I believe Apple itself uses I message through some sort of server because when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► you buy a if you use if you buy an Apple product through their apples to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► apple store online and then pick it up in a store they send you and I message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► saying that it's ready for pickup so and i don't think that someone sitting at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► mac and iphone typing that it so Apple obviously has a back-end to send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► iMessages through some sort of server q so the question is how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► riches that stn are those API is that the kind of thing that they would ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► open up to third parties the way that again facebook Messenger align all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► other services are becoming wechat could be coming platforms for BOTS and 44 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► other person machine communication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► I don't know where thats its fri message but I think it could be really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5336">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► interesting and I know there's a lot of this broke yesterday and most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► asking me what I thought were very skeptical of why would that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► this seems completely opposite of apple and you know maybe I message even was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► this all previously was a premium messaging service you know just one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► the nice things you get as an iphone and mac user is you get this nice messaging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► maybe they're looking past that now and as you mentioned before to quarterly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► conference calls in a row a main talking point from Apple was that they are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► quote-unquote there now you know one aspect of the company that's worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► talking about is that they are services company and a messaging service would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► play exactly into that and bringing it to android would be a way to emphasize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► that i keep thinking when I see like the monthly active users are daily active [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5392">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► users for messaging apps like whatsapp and what is something that we chat and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5397">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► some of these other ones that I message has to be up there in the same ballpark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► in terms of active users on a daily basis it has to be that if they spot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► somehow if it made sense in any way to spin I message off as an independent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► company it would be one of the biggest messaging services in the world and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► would have just by the fact that the demographics of apples customers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► that there tend to be for lack of a better word richer there you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► it's a it's a it's not just the number of users but the amount of money that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► they have to spend is is significant that that would be a valuable company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► yet so many times when i see i just noticed it last week with merrymakers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► that trends thing and she talked about the top messaging services in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► and I message wasn't listed it you know are perhaps I'm colored by being mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► Apple focused in and what I write about but i really do think that my message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► deserves to be treated in in that caliber even though it is iOS and mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► only I think bringing it to android would open a lot of people's eyes to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► message is value as an independent service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► yeah by the way credit where due I'm now hearing those words and Ben Thompson's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► voice the iMessage as a iphone marketing tool so i think that was Ben who said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► that on your show a few weeks yeah maybe I mean I'm here in Wisconsin tones so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► how could they make any money at all on this you know like what would be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► sense of bringing it like bringing Apple music to android makes sense because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► however many android users are using it are paying for it so does make sense to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► try what sense would it make to bring I message to Android as it stands today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► well i don't think any right because it would just be that they they would just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► be losing money on whatever it costs to develop the app which is probably minor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5516">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► but they be losing on the you know the the ongoing cost of supporting all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► additional messages right all the bandwidth of photos and videos and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► I'll that I think from when any q's on the show a couple months ago I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► that that peak that I message handles 200,000 messages per second which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► I mean it's you know i know that you know blah blah blah Apple get services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► wrong I feel like it's like the it always see are the ones they get wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► in the fact that I message does tremendous volume and does it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► well in my experience as a heavy I messages are better and better all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► time in terms of like not getting like duplicate notifications on different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► machines and stuff like that it you know there has to be some other way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:46 ◼ ► they're going to monetize it from android users and whether that payments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5566">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► or whether that's like pots you know from other you know like so that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:53 ◼ ► stores could do the same thing that the apple store does but there has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5573">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► so I wouldn't be surprised if that rumor is true at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► yeah I think it'd be I think that could be really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► I you know but you also couldn't argue that that would also be the first ticket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► for a lot of people to to get rid of their iphone and go to android maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► probably not millions of people but there's price some folks out there who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► would find switching to android easier if I message were there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► yeah it really is a good network effect in a good lock in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► but if the idea is to build a you know a really robust messaging platform out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► it that's for other it for BOTS and other services then why wouldn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► want to access and I wonder if like some markets like India which apple is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► brought up several times as a key growth area and Tim Cook spent time there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5630">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► earlier this year you know I wonder if that's the kind of thing where it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5635">TS</a>]
01:33:58 ◼ ► well first get I message on your android phone see how cool it is and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5638">TS</a>]
01:34:03 ◼ ► know and then by a a refurbished iphone at your first opportunity but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5643">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► know I I i think that I message as lock-in is more effective than I message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► as a reason to get an iphone in the first place and you I've heard stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► about like you know like teenagers who it's it's you know it's like totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► uncool to be getting green messages from somebody and you know and there's memes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► that are out there you know where people like on Instagram you know treat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► screenshots of gross a green message but I can't see how that really perfect you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► know works for anything other than teenagers right i mean who else would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► dead and i noticed when i get a green message from somebody and I think how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► that might you know that surprising that you know that's I would have expected so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► and so's you know to have an android phone but i don't really i don't i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5694">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► it's you know silence you know what I do I'd I . I did I just think they have bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► I don't think of them as a bad person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:11 ◼ ► and I don't think they should you know they should therefore feel bad and go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5711">TS</a>]
01:35:14 ◼ ► buy an iphone i just think about there's somebody that doesn't have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5714">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► doesn't have the good taste to buy an iphone yeah I I was lying when I said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► don't think less of them but I ok one what I my google reporter Mark bergen I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► excuse that he has a an android phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:32 ◼ ► oh yeah yeah it's too yeah fact I prefer him to yeah I know Mark we rode in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5732">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► back of a self-driving Mercedes together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► really yeah that's cool yeah I'm nice and I talked about a couple episodes ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► but with a couple months ago you're at the Mercedes self-driving outfit that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:51 ◼ ► out there in the valley and mark and I were the two guys who got picked to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5751">TS</a>]
01:35:54 ◼ ► together else we could have been killed together as well yeah I yikes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5754">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► yeah if you were followed if your google reporting i have an android phone but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► anyway I don't think they sell many phones with it but I think once you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► a phone and you're used to using I message it's definitely you know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► if you're like hey you know maybe one of these android you know maybe there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:13 ◼ ► some stuff in android that's appealing to me like not having your iMessage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5773">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► anymore it seems like maybe I shouldn't switch but so it would be magnanimous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► for Apple to offer it on Android as in terms of like we you know we don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► to use this as a as a lock-in you know we're we're confident that people will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5787">TS</a>]
01:36:31 ◼ ► stick with iphone you know for other reasons and and you know if you do want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5791">TS</a>]
01:36:34 ◼ ► to leave take your message ID you know with you i also really do believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5794">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► the hassles that and I think they fix some of these problems but there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:44 ◼ ► problems that that people had maybe still have to some extent where once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5804">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► your phone number gets associated as an iMessage phone number if you do switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► to android and just pop your sim into an android phone you don't get text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5812">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► messages from people right forget those people yeah it's like you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5816">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► remember before you switch to disassociate your phone number from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► Apple ID and then switch and that even there were people who even did it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► right way and it still got lost and they don't they don't get text messages from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:15 ◼ ► iphone users because Apple keeps trying to send them as I messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5835">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► and you know it's a pain yes so I think now you can after the fact going and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► remove and I message device from the server some yeah I think that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:31 ◼ ► solution that they can't they've come up with a way to do that they've given it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► delivered some kind of interface to allow it but that wasn't there before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:38 ◼ ► here's a question I have though about it I message on android is part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► appeal to me a huge part of the appeal on iphone is that I don't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:47 ◼ ► separate app for SMS that it just it's just one happen i don't have to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5867">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► yeah and-and-and similarly I wonder how that new alo app is going to work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► Android where it's not the i believe it's not the default texting app but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:04 ◼ ► don't know the new app yeah I wonder if you'll be able to somehow selected as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► is the main texting app at some point i would say that were maybe we're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► minority I mean a lot of people are already using facebook Messenger and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► whatsapp and we chat is their primary texting app mentally so maybe this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:27 ◼ ► not a it's big of an issue for them that i use mostly I message i do two or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5907">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► twitter d.m i guess but it's a lot of times i sent Twitter dm's and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► if it's an ongoing threat i'm like why the hell am I will be not doing this on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:43 ◼ ► whoo yeah or i won't see it for two days because i'm running twitter for mac in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5923">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► it somehow swallows the the notification or whatever but so I don't know as my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► verdict on my message for android is maybe yeah I could see it going either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5936">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► way and the biggest reason i'll repeat is simply the way that Apple's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:07 ◼ ► saying we're services company where services company that would be putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5947">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► their muscle where their mouth is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5951">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► I wonder what it's like to be on the Android team at apple and if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► anything like what being on the Mac team at Microsoft was ten years ago I do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:25 ◼ ► wonder I don't know are like the people who wrote or I guess continue to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5965">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► maybe they're exiled could be an even a another office somewhere it is worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:39 ◼ ► noting though that Apple music for android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5979">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► i mean i-i don't have that I've tried it I five installed it on the Android a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:47 ◼ ► burner phone i have here but I it is to my eyes a much more natural android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5987">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► style app in terms of you I than any you know than any of googles apps are for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/5997">TS</a>]
01:40:02 ◼ ► iOS like Google uses their material design language which is effectively the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/6002">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► Android design language on all of their iOS apps but Apple music for iOS or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:13 ◼ ► Android looks like an android app it's got the android style share button the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/6013">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► android . and stuff like that whereas itunes famously was not a very windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► like app at all and yet our safari yeah I believe it even had brushed metal at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► launch perhaps yeah i think it did and I used safari used the mac they it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:40 ◼ ► they built like a little mini version of coco into the app and yeah use that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/6040">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► max style anti-aliasing which you can get into an argument about which one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► a better anti-aliasing algorithm right Apple's was thicker and fuzzier and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:55 ◼ ► Microsoft was more a little bit more like pixel perfect but thinner but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/6055">TS</a>]
01:41:02 ◼ ► bottom line is that you just you just stick out it's a good unit you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/6062">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► the platform host so you should you know when in Rome be like the Romans went on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► Windows render text like Windows it it's a lot like putting on a stranger's pair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:14 ◼ ► of glasses but any time I saw the microsoft anti-aliasing it i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/6074">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► couldn't even read it like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► that's a good way to put it right pretty words the cocoa appleone just felt so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/6081">TS</a>]
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01:54:38 ◼ ► refresh so maybe the glass panels look different or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/6878">TS</a>]
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01:54:48 ◼ ► less stark like so not so much everything is either white or dark but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/6888">TS</a>]
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01:57:13 ◼ ► factors with that but you know solvable problem yeah and it also seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7033">TS</a>]
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01:57:24 ◼ ► in education you know where the there's these education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7044">TS</a>]
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01:57:31 ◼ ► ipads where each student doesn't matter which ipad they use they can just log in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7051">TS</a>]
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01:57:52 ◼ ► I did the google thing blew my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7072">TS</a>]
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01:58:01 ◼ ► seem to me like iOS apps are as compartmentalised as android apps i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7081">TS</a>]
01:58:06 ◼ ► forget the technical term for what you called like the little actions within a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7086">TS</a>]
01:58:11 ◼ ► an app where you can just download the one little you know effectively just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7091">TS</a>]
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01:58:27 ◼ ► action on the user to get native code running on your iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7107">TS</a>]
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01:58:52 ◼ ► yea big games or something like that yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7132">TS</a>]
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01:59:02 ◼ ► apple pay into the to the web browser which is supposedly a thing and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7142">TS</a>]
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01:59:18 ◼ ► if we see payment information you know maybe web payments user-to-user payments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7158">TS</a>]
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01:59:42 ◼ ► should spend more time thinking about the store stuff I it's hard because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7182">TS</a>]
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01:59:53 ◼ ► what chiller told me on the record was we have so much for the keynote already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7193">TS</a>]
01:59:57 ◼ ► that we wanted to get some of this out of we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7197">TS</a>]
01:59:57 ◼ ► that we wanted to get some of this out of we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7197">TS</a>]
02:00:00 ◼ ► can advance you know and and you know that the devil's advocate take on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:03 ◼ ► is that they knew that some of the stuff might be a little controversial like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7203">TS</a>]
02:00:08 ◼ ► I don't think subscription pricing is controversial but it's certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7208">TS</a>]
02:00:10 ◼ ► something to talk about and maybe they just don't want people talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7210">TS</a>]
02:00:13 ◼ ► that they want people talking about these other more feature oriented things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7213">TS</a>]
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02:00:23 ◼ ► talk about the serious stuff right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7223">TS</a>]
02:00:25 ◼ ► no thanks we had a sense that that's happening right and government said I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7225">TS</a>]
02:00:29 ◼ ► had the question of well okay so there's gonna be an API for Syria but where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7229">TS</a>]
02:00:33 ◼ ► where does that go it you know and Germans thing was that it you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7233">TS</a>]
02:00:38 ◼ ► this makes sense it's the easiest way to I think to do it is that it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7238">TS</a>]
02:00:42 ◼ ► part of the ios app you know that you'd your your you know your app an app for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7242">TS</a>]
02:00:48 ◼ ► the iphone could have a component that is a serious tension like in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7248">TS</a>]
02:00:53 ◼ ► way that when you have a a third-party keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7253">TS</a>]
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02:01:02 ◼ ► know has the extension well so there might be an easy answer to this which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7262">TS</a>]
02:01:07 ◼ ► something that I thought of a while ago and and have now successfully failed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7267">TS</a>]
02:01:12 ◼ ► that reporting out but how does it work on the appletv how does netflix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7272">TS</a>]
02:01:15 ◼ ► integrate its library into serie because it has so how does that work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7275">TS</a>]
02:01:22 ◼ ► do we know how it works technically I think so far it's a partner my partner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7282">TS</a>]
02:01:26 ◼ ► basis but hot technically how does it work are the is there a database they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7286">TS</a>]
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02:02:41 ◼ ► on industry-wide with these AI voice assistance and Apple really was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7361">TS</a>]
02:02:45 ◼ ► first to bring it to the consumer market that they that i would like to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7365">TS</a>]
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02:03:37 ◼ ► lot to show including hopefully things that Amazon and Google haven't thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7417">TS</a>]
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02:04:27 ◼ ► it's like it it given the shipping delays they had used it still may not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7467">TS</a>]
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02:05:09 ◼ ► they majorly rethink the the paradigm of how apps and glances work and right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7509">TS</a>]
02:05:17 ◼ ► even like the the homescreen complications I mean that was something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7517">TS</a>]
02:05:21 ◼ ► that even whatever last fall i thought would be a big thing in that there'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7521">TS</a>]
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02:06:13 ◼ ► day the dot goes from like light grey to white so that you know that you do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7573">TS</a>]
02:06:17 ◼ ► and then you can you know just keep track of it and if you have like six of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7577">TS</a>]
02:06:20 ◼ ► them it just arranging some sort of like the dots on it on a die it's really cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7580">TS</a>]
02:06:25 ◼ ► very simple and a route to me a really clever used it's one of the few clever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7585">TS</a>]
02:06:31 ◼ ► have you seen the courts app complication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7591">TS</a>]
02:06:35 ◼ ► no court so my my former employer courts had a a kind of a neat messaging based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7595">TS</a>]
02:06:43 ◼ ► news app that they launched earlier this year and the watch complication is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7603">TS</a>]
02:06:49 ◼ ► just an emoji that that is a reaction to the stock market so it's a I forgot you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7609">TS</a>]
02:06:57 ◼ ► know what the threshold was but at some point it's the monkey with his hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7617">TS</a>]
02:07:01 ◼ ► over his face if it's like really doing poorly or it's doing great its you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7621">TS</a>]
02:07:05 ◼ ► something that shows some sort of ecstatic reaction it was cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7625">TS</a>]
02:07:09 ◼ ► it's funny that actually pretty funny yeah I let my kids are very creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7629">TS</a>]
02:07:14 ◼ ► over there course yet to me that's the sort of thing that I think they need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7634">TS</a>]
02:07:17 ◼ ► improve because I feel like a year in the things that the watch i have lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7637">TS</a>]
02:07:20 ◼ ► complaints i really need to write up a detailed view of it but at this point my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7640">TS</a>]
02:07:24 ◼ ► way to see what they have in three-point oh yeah but I feel like just talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7644">TS</a>]
02:07:29 ◼ ► about two people notifications are real thing and people like getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7649">TS</a>]
02:07:32 ◼ ► notifications on her watch and people like being able to react you know deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7652">TS</a>]
02:07:35 ◼ ► with notifications in some way from the watch and status updates right like dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7655">TS</a>]
02:07:42 ◼ ► skies a pretty cool thing on the watch and getting an alert on your watch that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7662">TS</a>]
02:07:47 ◼ ► hey it's going to rain in six minutes is useful so that's like a combination of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7667">TS</a>]
02:07:51 ◼ ► two things the watch is pretty useful for status status is the actual weather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7671">TS</a>]
02:07:56 ◼ ► is about the change you know and the status of the stock market the status [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7676">TS</a>]
02:08:00 ◼ ► the temperature outside right and then the notification is actually useful to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7680">TS</a>]
02:08:05 ◼ ► like notification status and and the fitness tracking and health tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7685">TS</a>]
02:08:09 ◼ ► absolutely is a popular feature and I don't know that the watch presented the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7689">TS</a>]
02:08:14 ◼ ► best way but it it's a success story for the watch and a lot of the other stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7694">TS</a>]
02:08:20 ◼ ► that really wasn't the message they gave us a year ago right and you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7700">TS</a>]
02:08:25 ◼ ► know if they knew I don't think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7705">TS</a>]
02:08:27 ◼ ► write another one and I i would assume that they would show it off during WWDC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7707">TS</a>]
02:08:33 ◼ ► because it would probably be part of iOS 10 would be my you know my i would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7713">TS</a>]
02:08:38 ◼ ► my number-one request would be a more robust health app yeah now i have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7718">TS</a>]
02:08:45 ◼ ► of data on here and yes that screen with the the little loops on it was fun the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7725">TS</a>]
02:08:50 ◼ ► first few times I looked at it but there's probably a lot more you can tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7730">TS</a>]
02:08:54 ◼ ► me about trends or ya know hey hey hey fat-ass you know you don't exercise on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7734">TS</a>]
02:09:02 ◼ ► what's wrong with you know that kind of stuff and I'd love to see a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7742">TS</a>]
02:09:08 ◼ ► health app and I i would guess that based on that you know what you hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7748">TS</a>]
02:09:12 ◼ ► about the teams that they have their that there's something coming for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7752">TS</a>]
02:09:16 ◼ ► right it's almost to me like a data visualization design problem not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7756">TS</a>]
02:09:22 ◼ ► almost that's what it is it's okay so because of the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7762">TS</a>]
02:09:25 ◼ ► you've collected all of this information over a year of time but you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7765">TS</a>]
02:09:32 ◼ ► showing it to me in any way that that gives me any kind of a trend or a story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7772">TS</a>]
02:09:37 ◼ ► or a sense of myself and I feel like that that that's something to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7777">TS</a>]
02:09:44 ◼ ► yep and actually it looks like it has been updated a little because now I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7784">TS</a>]
02:09:47 ◼ ► see workout stuff you know I I don't have a reason to go to this app every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7787">TS</a>]
02:09:53 ◼ ► why not you know them I'm tracking this data every day I should probably be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7793">TS</a>]
02:09:56 ◼ ► reviewing reviewing it and and gaining some axis of knowledge from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7796">TS</a>]
02:10:01 ◼ ► this is something that I think jaw bone tried to do and it's you know the trends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7801">TS</a>]
02:10:06 ◼ ► that would notice where were very kind of not really revelatory so I this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7806">TS</a>]
02:10:13 ◼ ► before Apple watch I never really stuck with the the jaw bone system but I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7813">TS</a>]
02:10:20 ◼ ► really hope that there's a lot more that Apple's going to do here i really hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7820">TS</a>]
02:10:24 ◼ ► so too so i'm very interested to see the watch related announcements i would buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7824">TS</a>]
02:10:29 ◼ ► again this is a pure bat I'm not cheating nobody told me anything but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7829">TS</a>]
02:10:33 ◼ ► would definitely bet money on a nice chunk of the keynote going to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7833">TS</a>]
02:10:37 ◼ ► yeah that makes sense since that is one of the 3i guess for major platforms now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7837">TS</a>]
02:10:43 ◼ ► assume there'll be some acts tough but yeah we not too much I think that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7843">TS</a>]
02:10:49 ◼ ► I think too but i would love to be surprised i know that the siri coming to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7849">TS</a>]
02:10:54 ◼ ► to Mac but that to me sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7854">TS</a>]
02:10:58 ◼ ► it's just integrating voice search with spotlight search you know and I just see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7858">TS</a>]
02:11:02 ◼ ► it almost seems overdo it seems like if my phone can do Syria why can't my mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7862">TS</a>]
02:11:12 ◼ ► I wonder about that I honestly do it it's it also maybe seem so new that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7872">TS</a>]
02:11:18 ◼ ► maybe there isn't a time to add to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7878">TS</a>]
02:11:20 ◼ ► yeah may I you know I can't allow that could be hardware dependent yeah I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7880">TS</a>]
02:11:24 ◼ ► see them not mention excuse me can see them not mentioning it but I I mm I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7884">TS</a>]
02:11:30 ◼ ► don't know would be cool though I but i'm not going to have new hardware so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7890">TS</a>]
02:11:36 ◼ ► feel like they're kind of limited to what they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7896">TS</a>]
02:11:39 ◼ ► what they can do I wouldn't be surprised to see something globally about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7899">TS</a>]
02:11:46 ◼ ► notifications just because that's such an important part of the user interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7906">TS</a>]
02:11:49 ◼ ► now and maybe that's the kind of thing where they've done a lot of work on all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7909">TS</a>]
02:11:53 ◼ ► the platforms to know did you know for last year they they've let you organize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7913">TS</a>]
02:11:59 ◼ ► them better that's been nice but I think there's still a ton more they could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7919">TS</a>]
02:12:05 ◼ ► it's really revealed itself as a you know one of the most important user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7925">TS</a>]
02:12:11 ◼ ► interfaces in mobile so yeah I bet there's I bet there's something coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7931">TS</a>]
02:12:16 ◼ ► there i would assume I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7936">TS</a>]
02:12:18 ◼ ► ah one of the changes this year because they're having the keynote at the build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7938">TS</a>]
02:12:25 ◼ ► bill graham civic auditorium and they sent out invitations differently they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7945">TS</a>]
02:12:31 ◼ ► don't do like a theme anymore there's no slogan or anything like that so like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7951">TS</a>]
02:12:35 ◼ ► guessing game where people would just try to backwards engineer from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7955">TS</a>]
02:12:38 ◼ ► slogan they gave ya and the decoration to it well here's what they must mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7958">TS</a>]
02:12:46 ◼ ► no did you see the photos though someone installing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7966">TS</a>]
02:12:51 ◼ ► what looked like air-conditioning yes attempt attempt I i watch the i/o thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7971">TS</a>]
02:12:57 ◼ ► a few like a week later and I you know it's like the whole thing is outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7977">TS</a>]
02:13:01 ◼ ► really that's a crazy and it seemed like they really got 44 the valley from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7981">TS</a>]
02:13:07 ◼ ► mountain view they really got bad way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7987">TS</a>]
02:13:09 ◼ ► there it was a fun seasonably hot huh yeah for a lot of sunburns yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7989">TS</a>]
02:13:14 ◼ ► macrumors have some pictures of the bill graham civic auditorium they put an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7994">TS</a>]
02:13:17 ◼ ► apple logo up front and center that kind of makes it look like the whole thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/7997">TS</a>]
02:13:21 ◼ ► about a gigantic apple stores but it's just an apple logo and then they put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8001">TS</a>]
02:13:26 ◼ ► six colored flags out in front which looks pretty cool because then nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8006">TS</a>]
02:13:32 ◼ ► little homage to the old apple logo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8012">TS</a>]
02:13:35 ◼ ► oh cool but no clues no slogans nothing like that so there's nothing to go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8015">TS</a>]
02:13:40 ◼ ► yeah yeah and you know you've got to imagine they'll also spend some time by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8020">TS</a>]
02:13:47 ◼ ► talking about the new Apple music I and and maybe so maybe this one will get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8027">TS</a>]
02:13:51 ◼ ► redesigned itunes for mac i think maybe i don't think it's gonna I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8031">TS</a>]
02:13:58 ◼ ► there's ever going to be a major rewrite of itunes for mac yeah but i feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8038">TS</a>]
02:14:04 ◼ ► it so far they're at their attempt to declutter it have been not so great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8044">TS</a>]
02:14:12 ◼ ► something's gonna gotta replace that connect tab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8052">TS</a>]
02:14:15 ◼ ► yeah I wonder though because the update that did recently ship change some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8055">TS</a>]
02:14:21 ◼ ► the forget that what's the version numbers at eleven . twelve about 11 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8061">TS</a>]
02:14:28 ◼ ► 12 . for so 1.6 they did change some stuff in terms of bringing back a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8068">TS</a>]
02:14:34 ◼ ► sidebar and making them put a little pop-up menu there for switching between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8074">TS</a>]
02:14:37 ◼ ► the TV and movie and music and stuff like that but boy I hope so i don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8077">TS</a>]
02:14:44 ◼ ► but i think that Apple music for iOS and Android is definitely I mean this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8084">TS</a>]
02:14:48 ◼ ► bunch of rumors up to this front but that you know definitely going to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8088">TS</a>]
02:14:52 ◼ ► simplification because it just seems like it's Universal that people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8092">TS</a>]
02:14:57 ◼ ► yeah what else they might have to change i don't know and and I've said this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8097">TS</a>]
02:15:03 ◼ ► before but i really do mean it like as a just as a canary in the coal mine i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8103">TS</a>]
02:15:11 ◼ ► found the the Apple music presentation last year to be alarming because a sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8111">TS</a>]
02:15:20 ◼ ► losing its way at post steve jobs and again I think I my reputation is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8120">TS</a>]
02:15:26 ◼ ► somebody who doesn't throw about this wouldn't have happened if steve jobs are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8126">TS</a>]
02:15:29 ◼ ► still around like I don't over you I don't hit that button very frequently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8129">TS</a>]
02:15:32 ◼ ► but that music presentation land last year's WWDC keynote I hit that button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8132">TS</a>]
02:15:37 ◼ ► like that that would not have happened like that of steve jobs are still around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8137">TS</a>]
02:15:41 ◼ ► it wouldn't have gone on so long it would have been meandering it wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8141">TS</a>]
02:15:45 ◼ ► have seemed under-rehearsed and it would have been more focused so i'm very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8145">TS</a>]
02:15:51 ◼ ► interested to see if if they solve that problem this year because otherwise it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8151">TS</a>]
02:15:55 ◼ ► seems to me that there's some kind of communication problem within a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8155">TS</a>]
02:15:57 ◼ ► that there's this division that it can't communicate itself clearly yeah that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8157">TS</a>]
02:16:07 ◼ ► are you coming you're coming right i am now i'll be there for about 24 hours or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8167">TS</a>]
02:16:13 ◼ ► a little longer than that but i have to leave monday almost right after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8173">TS</a>]
02:16:17 ◼ ► keynote to jump to a company meeting that all right we talked about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8177">TS</a>]
02:16:21 ◼ ► because I invited you to come to the live episode of of the talk show but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8181">TS</a>]
02:16:25 ◼ ► that is until tuesday now I won't be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8185">TS</a>]
02:16:29 ◼ ► unfortunately I'm guys here we got saturday sunday monday to four so four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8189">TS</a>]
02:16:33 ◼ ► days from now I'll be doing a live talk show can't even imagine who's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8193">TS</a>]
02:16:38 ◼ ► be the guest this time working on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8198">TS</a>]
02:16:43 ◼ ► yeah that's fucked up mondeo Alaska so I asked but actually i think this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8203">TS</a>]
02:16:50 ◼ ► first time you've booked me this far in advance I did I've trying to do this i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8210">TS</a>]
02:16:55 ◼ ► trying to book people further in advance because good it's trying to train you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8215">TS</a>]
02:16:58 ◼ ► know I've been on a pretty weekly schedule 2 i'm and they've been great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8218">TS</a>]
02:17:02 ◼ ► I've really enjoyed the shows recently what I'll say is that one of these years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8222">TS</a>]
02:17:07 ◼ ► the live episode of the talk show is going to have a disappointing guests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8227">TS</a>]
02:17:10 ◼ ► because the last year by having phil schiller the bar clearly got raised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8230">TS</a>]
02:17:14 ◼ ► can't get raised my tire though and you better have Elon Musk alright Jeff Bezos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8234">TS</a>]
02:17:21 ◼ ► all my money back right so I'll say is that one of these years i'm going to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8241">TS</a>]
02:17:26 ◼ ► very special guest is going to be mulch nice and it might be this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8246">TS</a>]
02:17:31 ◼ ► well laugh we'll have to see on tuesday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8251">TS</a>]
02:17:37 ◼ ► anything i wanted to talk about um no I can't think of anything you know what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8257">TS</a>]
02:17:43 ◼ ► will say that the reviewers blew it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8263">TS</a>]
02:17:46 ◼ ► the new 12-inch MacBook is a huge improvement over the previous one and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8266">TS</a>]
02:17:52 ◼ ► love mine that's interesting what do you think that they blew was it that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8272">TS</a>]
02:17:55 ◼ ► the overall that the consensus i got from the review i have not used 12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8275">TS</a>]
02:17:58 ◼ ► consensus i got was i can't believe this is the improvement and that was my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8278">TS</a>]
02:18:03 ◼ ► reaction to when I saw that it's only fifteen percent faster but whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8283">TS</a>]
02:18:08 ◼ ► is that fifteen percent is the difference between waiting for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8288">TS</a>]
02:18:12 ◼ ► computer every single time I wanted to do anything and feeling like okay this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8292">TS</a>]
02:18:17 ◼ ► computer is as fast enough to you know it is as fast as my brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8297">TS</a>]
02:18:22 ◼ ► well still a little slower than then I'd like it and there you know it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8302">TS</a>]
02:18:29 ◼ ► chokes on things like chrome and google maps and random stuff and all the do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8309">TS</a>]
02:18:34 ◼ ► twitter for mac app don't even get me started on that but i use it you know as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8314">TS</a>]
02:18:41 ◼ ► my secondary computer most of the month and then the the week that i'm in san [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8321">TS</a>]
02:18:46 ◼ ► francisco every month it's my main computer and its way is its way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8326">TS</a>]
02:18:50 ◼ ► noticeably faster than last years and is a great computer a really excellent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzBHCdk/8330">TS</a>]
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