00:00:00 ◼ ► here's what i got for us to talk about WWDC the life the live talk show at WWDC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/0">TS</a>]
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00:00:13 ◼ ► three taking the headphone jack off the iphone covering your laptop cameras with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/13">TS</a>]
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00:00:30 ◼ ► that led 20 yeah guy from Star Trek's that so so show ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/30">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► so let's get started w GC we have to talk about the actual announcements but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/37">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► not everyone's heard about those already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/41">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► I i want to talk about your show alright because you know you I I have something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/43">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► to say about it and you probably won't be saying all this so i will say it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/49">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► so number one is you know first of all I greatly enjoyed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/53">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► you began the show by posing the question of like you know you had Phil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/58">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► on last year how do you top that you know there's only so far you can go up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/63">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► the chain to top having fill on the show and you ended up having Phil and Craig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/68">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► on the show this year and I i put forth now this theory that that is the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/74">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► that is the best you can do for that show in that week I agree with that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/79">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► think that's actually probably true because and this is I know that it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/84">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► think I successfully kept it secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/89">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► I number one I don't know what the people were whispering out in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/91">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► audience but i was guessing Tim but I had no idea the activity was the by far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/94">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► the most common guess that like and people were and people are bugging me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/98">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► like the date not bugging me i shouldn't say that everybody came up and said hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/102">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► to meet WBC i always enjoy it and when him sometimes I see people on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/104">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► who say hey I saw you somewhere and I thought I won't bother you now just come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/108">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► say hi like to say hi to people it's great it's one of my favorite parts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/112">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► WC le and it was really weird for me in the early years because it it does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/114">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► come naturally to me but I've learned making during that period i've learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/119">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► over the years how to how to to make those things go pretty well pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/124">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► what i did was the one year the South by Southwest I was hanging out with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/128">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► together south by and I just know that I met you that when people would come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/132">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► to us if whether they know you know if they knew Merlin Merlin is amazing he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/136">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► absolutely amazing when someone comes up and says hey you Merlin man you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/141">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► he's obviously never met them their fan he's so good at it and I just suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/144">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► went into like I'm just going to copy his moves and just do what he does and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/147">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► it's got a lot better so anyway people come into did say blah blah but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/155">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► they say who's gonna be on your show and I would just say I started saying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/158">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► them you don't really want me to tell you right you mean you want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/161">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► surprised again like you and you know I don't know what the listeners think but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/163">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► like you know so you and I are friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/167">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► I didn't know either last year or this year like you don't even tell your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/169">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► friends like you don't as far as I know the only people you tell her like Amy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/172">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► and Paul who are working the event with you like you don't tell anybody I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/175">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► tell Paul Amy did and Caleb sexton new as of like three or four in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/179">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► afternoon of the day and I did tell Caleb that you know to prepare three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/187">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► laughs Mike so we knew there would be two to guess but no i did not tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/193">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► anybody because that's how you keep a secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/197">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► how do you keep a secret it's easy don't tell anybody I swear to god it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/199">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► it it it it sounds stupid but it's most people don't do that Amy tells me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/203">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► great size great story i'm going to picture this in some way at but when she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/211">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► was in law school she had a criminal defense course that was taught by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/216">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► former FBI agent and he told them he said you want to know how to get away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/222">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► it's actually very easy don't leave any evidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/228">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► don't don't leave any evidence behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/232">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► don't tell anyone what you did and don't ever do it again and you'll never don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/235">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► feel you'll get away with it and useful information for law students most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/239">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► murderers do not get away with it because most murders either leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/244">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► something behind or they most commonly they tell somebody very very easy i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/248">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► didn't murder anybody but I did not tell anybody was going to be on the show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/254">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► I agree with your assessment that that the duo of Phil and Craig is I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/257">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► tim was obvious Tim Cook would be a bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/263">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► that Jony ive would be a big get but i don't think that the combination of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/265">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► interviewing skills combined with their personalities I don't think would be as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/272">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► enjoyable especially with in this setting to you know you like you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/276">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► were there and you want to talk about what was just said in the keynote like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/280">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► we've seen interviews of Tim Tim doesn't really straight from the talking points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/283">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► he's very well prepared very well controlled and he says what he wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/286">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► and what you really want everybody see is endless and in the talk show goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/292">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► like that the live talk show is still your show it's still the talk show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/295">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► you know that the mood of it takes on what you set there so it really it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/301">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► kind of like you know like you like you say that this is the directors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/306">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► commentary for daring fireball you know you know when you have these apple execs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/309">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► on your on your show which I love that like now two years and it just has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/312">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► become my god this is what you doing out like its last year was like holy crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/316">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► this year it's like oh yeah again ok but what you when you have them on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/319">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► it kind of becomes the directors commentary for WTC because they it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/323">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► like mood-wise it's like the closest that any of us will ever get to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/330">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► sitting down and having a beer with apple executives and so we can insert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/334">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► and and I think you know filling Craig not only have very good personalities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/339">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► that mesh well with that but also like topic wise at WTC if there's any to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/342">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► apple execs you can pick to ask questions to that are going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/348">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► interesting and relevant to developers after having heard that keynote that day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/351">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► it's going to be those two because you have Phil who now runs the entire app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/355">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► store policy wise at least he runs a whole app store and then he he he's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/358">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► kind of like I don't know what his role is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/362">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► unofficially but it seems like he is in many ways like a heavily involved or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/366">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► possibly the head of a lot of product decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/372">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► yeah I've always said and I mean get just maybe I should have asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/374">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► I've always had this on my list nobody say you do here well i have had that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/378">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► I've run out of time I've both years you know it's better that way but I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/383">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► more stuff to talk to them about then then I have time to to ask them and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/387">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► hey let's fill this up with questions from the keynote because i think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/395">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► it's more relevant to now then forever but I have ideas i go into it with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/398">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► couple ideas for things to talk about just in case the keynote doesn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/403">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► I've always said and from my perspective on the outside the best way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/410">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► understand shoulders roll at Apple would be to take the word marketing out of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/413">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► name and that it title and that he's senior vice president of product because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/417">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► the marketing is in and of itself it's part of the product it's not a separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/421">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► thing it's not like the products are developed and then shoulders group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/425">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► figures out how to advertise them or what pictures to take to put on the box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/428">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► it's it's all of a piece you know they like that's the type of marketing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/431">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► gives especially engineers who are analytical and they roll their eyes when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/436">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► they think about marketing bad marketing is when you start with a bad product and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/441">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► somebody has told you know here's here's a kind of crappy product or thing with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/444">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► bunch of problems figure out a way to sell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/448">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► well that's the market ourselves to do their job and that's you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/450">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► whereas if you have a good product you can just let the product speak for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/454">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► yourself and figure out how do we let the front products speak for itself and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/456">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► i think that's ideally what you know had at their best that's how Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/459">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► marketing works and it seems to like he is intimately familiar with all of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/463">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► oh it clearly and and also and you know having Craig there to like it's amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/468">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► because you know if you think of like you know what is an executive and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/472">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► think like what kind of person is what do they know what kind of involved they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/476">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► have and to have the kind of incredibly deep knowledge that these two executives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/479">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► have about what they apparently oversee with Hillary i went and what Craig does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/485">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► officially over see you know that Craig was throwing out deep technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/489">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► implementation details and and I know from talking to people in the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/493">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► that that's genuine like Craig is really a genuine like hardcore engineer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/497">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► he's really really knows his stuff and he gets deeply involved in it and is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/502">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► but at the same time as a really good you look good leader I mean I i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/508">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► think i've met anybody who has worked under Craig or anywhere near Craig and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/511">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► has a single bad thing to say about the experience working with them i mean ii [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/515">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► like he seems incredibly good at his job and very well suited to that leadership [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/519">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► role but also like you like Phil having this incredibly deep knowledge of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/524">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► you have that there that like this is why I think this is this is better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/531">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► having Tim for your show because not only not only like I think you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/533">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► eww a better personality mesh with these guys but also I think you know Tim it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/537">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► doesn't take that kind of deep knowledge of like little details of how these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/544">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► things are engineered or product decisions like and because i think Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/549">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► kind of knows he's not like a head of product the way steve was and so he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/552">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► delegated that to some of the other recipes and you know different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/557">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► combinations and I honestly I think it's a little bit vague as to what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/561">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► combination is right now that might be a bit for problem but overall you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/563">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► it's you know tim is not really a product person and Phil very clearly is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/567">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► and it honestly I mean from just my point of view i am very happy you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/573">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► those two people on and I i would say Phil and Craig are my favorite apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/578">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► executives and I think the ones that most closely align with my priorities it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/583">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► yeah I think that's fair to say so I don't know what I screwed for next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/590">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► yeah we'll just have one again or have nots that's that those your choices i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/594">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► think Eddy Eddy Cue when he was on this show with craig was good and I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/597">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► would be good but his personality wise a but his domain isn't a good fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/602">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► especially for the WWDC so if I had something where I did like quarterly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/609">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► show or twice a year show and like maybe if i did a live show after the September [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/614">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► you know iphone event or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/620">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► Eddy Cue might be good then but I feel like WWDC in particular when the news is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/622">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► supposed to end in late most years recently really is mostly about software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/627">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► it's it's you know there's he get it would really make any sense just to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/632">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► him on because it's not his his domain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/637">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► yeah although i would also say like a one of the greatest things we saw at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/641">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► live talk show this year is that we on the outside got to see in a very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/646">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► rare circumstance we got to see to apple s VP's interacting with each other and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/652">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► if you think about like what other chances do we ever have to see that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/658">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► and before I understand like I again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/662">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► some people into the company like even most people who work in the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/664">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► rarely see two mvps in the same room because usually you're presenting two at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/668">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► most one of them felt like it to see to executive clearly work together for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/673">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► very long time and know each other really well and clearly respect each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/678">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► other very much who are also good and other ways like it just it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/682">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► brought a lot of amazing humanity and just insight into just whose people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/686">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► actually are and that's like this is I'm going to eat you're not going to get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/690">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► like a carefully scripted keynote or any kind of you know carefully planned event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/694">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► and this is why i love the show so much because like you get to do this knee and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/698">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► you get to like reveal this to the world and and you do it in a way that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/701">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► because it's a podcast I i love podcast because like you know if you write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/707">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► something on a blog or a new site like that spreads all over the place really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/711">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► quickly if there's anything about its controversial or inflammatory or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/715">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► anything else believe me I know that better than a lot of people and so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/718">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► that can often be you know prohibitive to encouraging people to continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/722">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► writing with a podcast it seems like just because podcast doesn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/725">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► because I really spread like wildfire the way text spreads like you can like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/731">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► quote someone's post or reform a paraphrase someone's post inflammatory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/735">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► headline and it just spreads like wildfire right podcast that just doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/739">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► happen like I thought last year when you had Phil on which you know let anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/744">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► forget that was remarkable at the time I thought that was gonna be like literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/749">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► like world news I thought it was gonna be reported like on CNN that like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/755">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► happened and like everything that was said would have been scrutinized andrey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/759">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► and reported on just just as much as like an apple press release would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/762">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► and instead there was like One macrumors article by like it was it was almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/765">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► nothing like almost nothing happened and then the same thing happened this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/770">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► we're again it's like now you have two apple executives now you should have CNN [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/773">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► and the New York Times reporting on it a double double coverage and like again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/776">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► like you had one microparticle like basically nothing else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/780">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► yeah i thought the same thing last year not necessarily that I was disappointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/783">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► I was just I curious and I think you know one measure of it would be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/787">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► tech meme and it's like I write blog posts that get more attention on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/793">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► technique yeah then this one the good thing is that like it you know i like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/797">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► family with my experience like you know I've been writing a lot less in part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/802">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► because of this problem of just like you know like any slip-up and it spreads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/806">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► like wildfire right and podcasting that just doesn't happen but also liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/810">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► because of that affect it the podcasting kind of end because the conversational [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/814">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► nature of it just being more casual podcasting is kind of like a safe space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/819">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► and you like you can say you can you can go on a podcast you can talk off script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/825">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► and you know and answer questions that were that you didn't get an advantage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/830">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► that one plan or whatever you can you can accept that that gig because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/834">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► really isn't dangerous people give you the benefit of the doubt it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/839">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► really spread like wildfire if you like screw something up my name some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/842">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► minor way it's a conversational context doesn't seem as official or as as like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/845">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► you know coated and stone and I feel like you know that's again something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/849">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► that Apple never gets in any kind of public way so the its end for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/853">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► listeners or the attendees of the live show it's it's almost like being let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/858">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► into like an exclusive club like it you know it's like it's a club of obscurity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/862">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► makes it look like you know we get to be here and listen to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/867">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► you know Two and get to know these people and get these great insight into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/871">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► things but like it's not a big problem for them and they don't get in trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/875">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► for things they say it's kind of amazing i was thinking about what you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/880">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► before about how we don't get to see the apples executives interact with each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/886">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► other in a personal way right and one evidence of proof of that and I again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/890">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► often bring up Scott Forstall and I I've met him and I liked him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/894">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► you know like backstage after a keynote and I think he did fantastic work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/900">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► the company and so you know I bring them up not to dump on them because i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/904">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► think the guy did a great job but if famously I mean it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/909">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► did you know did not get along well with the rest of the leadership team I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/914">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► that the press release announcing his i forget what they called it but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/918">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► that he was no longer he would quit fired yeah well I that well as his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/923">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► promotion to what was it to a tim cook's assistant or whatever special whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/927">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► it was a special adviser on that it's that you know the title of the press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/932">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► release was like you know something about it and enabling collaboration or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/936">TS</a>]
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00:15:46 ◼ ► onstage you'd never know it like Schiller to forestall you know handing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/946">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► off in the keynote you know like and here to tell you all about it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/952">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► senior vice president scott forstall is exactly the same as his interaction with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/955">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► like federighi now because they're pros their total pros they're polished and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/960">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► you'd never have from that you know outside you'd never have any idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/966">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► whether there's a difference whereas on stage with those two you could tell that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/969">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► yeah totally rad each other especially Phil rising federighi oh yeah um yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/975">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► thought it went pretty well you know and you know me I'm not going to sit here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/981">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► and say how good my show was but yeah I will felt it was really good so we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/983">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► we did I love uncomfortable this makes doesn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/988">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► let's talk about the problems with the show we had our audio problems we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/992">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► this feedback at the beginning and anybody who's watching the video watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/994">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► the video recorded one on Vimeo or listen to the podcast you won't hear it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/999">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► i don't know i don't think Caleb had to clean that up i don't think he had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► remove it i think that the audio it take the mics didn't pick it up but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► happened and it wasn't Caleb's fault it was during this weekend they definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1014">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► but Caleb let the house sound guy at mezzanine who is knew it wasn't the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► guy as last year talk him out of a I don't know what I don't even know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► didn't want to know what this what the details were but if the Caleb let the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► guy talked him out of something against Caleb's better judgment and then the fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► five or ten minutes into the show is exactly what Caleb wanted to do at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► outset I did it violates the number one rule of the sound equipment which is get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► it working and then don't touch anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► yeah i'm not sure where that went wrong did get straightened out and it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► too bad it was just like but it was it was just if anybody watch the video and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► I look a little bit like I'm looking around it was because of it that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► feedback but you won't hear it when you watch on on the show the other thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► think that I wonder how it affects the immediate holy shit you know these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► guys are on groomers show is that the show doesn't come out right away this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► year it didn't come until Friday so I feel like on my list for what can I fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1076">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► for next year's figure out who do i have to pay what I have to do to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1080">TS</a>]
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00:18:06 ◼ ► well on the other hand though why like if the show this doesn't wake national [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1086">TS</a>]
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00:18:25 ◼ ► it would really make a big difference in terms of publicity the main reason is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► that I know just from my tweets and the emails that people were like chomping at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► the bit to get it and I would be too if there were two of me and one one who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1114">TS</a>]
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00:18:40 ◼ ► i would have been too if I couldn't get to the live show you what you should do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► is you should hire the the Apple WC video team because they get that Valley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1124">TS</a>]
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00:18:54 ◼ ► incredible how quickly they get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► yeah the livestream broke this year last year and stayed up at this year broke I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► i would suggest maybe doing an audio-only live stream because it's Who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1141">TS</a>]
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00:19:07 ◼ ► probably an easier way to do it but audio is a lot easier to to scale up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1147">TS</a>]
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00:19:37 ◼ ► because instead of thinking about the show you were fiddling with it but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1177">TS</a>]
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00:19:50 ◼ ► but I can do it and you just like took out your iPad and like we're plugging it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1190">TS</a>]
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00:19:58 ◼ ► have a way to record this so I was providing the only recording of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► also the lifestream and that was a poorly plant poorly planned shell that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1203">TS</a>]
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00:20:12 ◼ ► pretty good notes about what to improve for the next year I i'd say i'd say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► you now have a pretty good you have the kinks worked out and I would say just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► like repeat this and maybe change the way you stream the video and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1220">TS</a>]
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00:22:08 ◼ ► send your code to your brother-in-law and a couple other people you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► however many extra thousand dollars managed for free and then even then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► only paid 0.25 percent above that going forward they have all sorts of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► that's it's a long-term investment thing this is like the total opposite of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► day trading this is a place where you put money in for the long run and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► have so many options so many different types of accounts i cannot possibly go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► over them and in the length of a podcast that just go to their website and check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► them out a really smart way to invest your money for the long run wealthfront [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► and the URL is wealthfront dot-com / the talk show anything else on a live show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1371">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► that covers it anyway I had a good time I have not watched it I can't bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► myself to watch it yet i watch last year's at some point but I didn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► to see it so maybe I should've watched it before we started talking about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► Mac OS here's my thing about mac OS I can't believe that they changed the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► to mac OS but kept the 10-point 12 version numbering where what is that 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► well you know I think it's a lot like like you like the dumb windows kernel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► version thing where like you know windows 2000 was like 85 . oh I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► that XP was 5.1 and it's 85 for a while it's like like that just the numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► doesn't mean anything relative to the marketing name and and the marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► sequence so i think that you know it just doesn't really matter i'm kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► surprised though that they kept the California names and I'm kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► surprised and just call this mac OS 12like that's it seems like even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► people would have made fun of the most people livin like I think that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► have made a lot more sense to just say you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► alright this is no mac OS 12 in the next year mac OS 13 or whatever but i guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► those numbers don't scale very well nobody wants like mac OS 17 I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► it is with it seem weird that they give I think they could have done both though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► they could call it Mac OS 12 Sierra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► yeah maybe that's a lot of I don't know why did not go by this mac OS get a code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► name in iOS doesn't I don't get that one you know maybe because of the of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► the high numbering problem no one seems like the teens it kind of is like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► know less cool sounding maybe they're going to transition iOS onto a code name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► system and maybe they would unify the code in zno this year we have ios Sierra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► and mac OS Sierra I don't know and there's a lot of things they could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► there but i do think like the numbers are really nice and clean and simple now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► because they're relatively low but once you get into like you know the teams of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► it it's it's less cool than anything i watch us three know what I love it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► all we talk about mac OS than whatever you used to get i actually have I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► actually have it on a macbook pro downstairs and it's like it's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► the sort of thing I would like I like to see Apple do which is it doesn't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► you know you could easily convince me that it wasn't even a new version of Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► os10 and it's like oh yeah look that looks a little different they've changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► a little bit here and there but it is such a minor refinement in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► everything i'm used to and then they just added you know some nice new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► yeah and I'm happy with that too I mean you're from a developer's point of view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► I would love to see like some modernisation of app kit and possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► some kind of like cross-platform application UI kit kind of hybrid onion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► so I basically would have learned advocate but that I you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► understand also why that's kind of a big job and probably not worth doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► necessarily or maybe waiting until like it like it presumably in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► there's gonna be some kind of rewrite or or refactoring of a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► frameworks to better optimize for swift and if you go beyond just renaming like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► right now to basically renamed them when using from Swift and that's about it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► like there's there there's more that you could do there to make to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► optimize it for swift so maybe down the road they're planning on like a a bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► change the frameworks and maybe they unify the men because you as you talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► about often Apple's a very patient company and when it comes like long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► technical decisions like this they're willing to wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► 5-10 years to do what you need to do if they think it'll be better later to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► with that so I think it would be interesting to see if they ever do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► tackle the problem or figures kind of consider you know after the right tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► for this job and you get the right tool for that job books there's there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► basis for that not a hundred percent but there's some basis for that and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► just kind of consider the mac to be the kind of like a completed platform like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► we don't need to do much on this anymore I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► yeah sort of like the way I treat markdown yeah right i mean i had no joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► i mean it's it's seriously like you know that it is what it is you know move on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► with the other stuff maybe i don't know i think you're right that if they do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► they would it would probably coincide with a swift ification of frameworks I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► or you know if all these rumors i keep hearing about their like being like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► single unified OS coming down the road with new everything you know then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► know for the car and God knows what else you know then if if that is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► true and coming in the next five years then that would be the time to do it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► know I don't know I just that I don't give that rumor a lot of weight honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► because it's it seems really grand and I don't know it just seems to me like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► I study it and think about it and I'm trying to think about what to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► about the the mac OS beta i keep thinking about something guy English [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► friend of the show guy English said to me last week without it i was asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► just friends and say who i just said hey let's just say if I got to interview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► somebody interesting what are some questions you guys have any questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► that you wish I would ask that guy had pointed out that when when Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► introduced the mac OS 10 10 . l back in $MONTH 2001 he framed as saying this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► the operating system for the next 15 years I was 15 years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► yep on and I i think it's almost you know he was trying to say this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► operating system for the you know the long-term for Apple this is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► that Apple can really so what Apple's but they're 40 years old now so there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► were 25 year old company then this is the you know it it was as far away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► the original mac as as we are today I think if anything in hindsight jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► clearly under sold the longevity of the platform because that's the thing i look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► at when I look at mac OS 10.2 12 is that this doesn't feel like an operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► system on its last legs this feels like an operating system that is still in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► prime and doing it's exactly what it wants to be and really doesn't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► I mean it could end it someday something like a you know executor example about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► it doing a lot of you I kid ification to appt kid or bringing uikit 22 Mac os10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► in some way to sit there alongside app kit or who knows that you know major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► changes some day but at the moment it's really just fine and and does its job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► very well and the way I put a couple years ago and it's funny too because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► I've I said something about like the next five years but it was like five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► years ago so I undersold it you know as much five years ago as jobs did 15 was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► that that the heaviness of the mac conceptually that it's so so quick you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► know you can have so many windows open and you can go so deep and you have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► these options like services and control you know right clicking and getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► these contextual menus and even that just the existence of the menu bar that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► heaviness is what lets is remain so lightweight that you couldn't have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► like the ipad and make it as simple as it is without having a platform to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► with it that is as complicated as the mac i mean the downside of that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► that logic though I think it's mostly sound but the downside of that is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► that kind of assumes that they will be both maintained over time and we'll both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► succeed over time and i'm not sure the safe assumption to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► hmm i wonder if it doesn't also conversely tie into the the the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► that there's some productivity tasks that just still aren't that great to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► on an iPad you know that it's it works both ways that it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► it they just haven't been haven't felt forced to enable the ipad to be good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► X because I'd you can just use your macbook for that but also like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► as they have added more productivity features to iOS and especially the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► your kind of seeing them basically try to address the same problems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► basically try to make it closer to a mac kind of environment so now you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► things like a basic form of windowing and multiple windows on screen you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► you have these document pickers are simplified view of a file system that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► are still files you know like it when i get there they're having to solve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► same problems and oftentimes the solution they come up with are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► not substantially better than the solutions that we that like the pc and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► sometimes they are but it seems like they're both kinda aiming for the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► thing where they try to make mac OS easier to use and more iOS like in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► ways at the same time to try to make iOS more productive and and more suited for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► pro use and by doing that they're kind of making iOS a little more mac like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► these certain areas and I'm not sure either effort is a huge success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► necessarily I i think the the effort to to profile is is probably more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► successful than the effort to iOS fi the mac i think that if you think about it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► can't think of anything this year that really was i OS notification of the Mack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► I feel like maybe they're done with that like they've they've done that enough of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► it that they wanted to and now they're just letting the MACD the mac maybe I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► overlooking and made that something but I can't think of anything not you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► be right i mean it's it maybe it does seem like they've they've kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► figured out that like the Mac doesn't need to be iOS that can stand on its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► like there may be different they've gained more confidence in it you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► mmm yeah I can't think of anything I mean there are features that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► obviously in parallel with iOS you know like that the fancy new messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► animations and stuff like that but that's not really iOS to find the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► that's just getting the same stuff at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► yeah but you know ultimately in the long haul i I think having iOS be this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► juggernaut that is most of the market for apple will it will hurt the back it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► will cost the mac because you have situations like like messages as for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► example this where if you you know you can now have you know until until I os10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► I message work basically the same way on all three platforms ipad iphone Mac it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► works the same we have the same capabilities roughly with the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► version of messages now you're going to have this this large amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► functionality especially if the app thing takes off which other messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► services have had apps that have taken off so they probably will and apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► pretty good at apps and making apps take off as long as you aren't talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► the TV so by having by having this big app environment that's going to take off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► on iOS and having almost none of it available on the mac and having no easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► technical bridge there because the mac is not uikit and is not iOS and is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► running all the same frame works and doesn't have the same kind of extension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► system and binary supported everything else I i suspect that the mac is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► to have some trouble in the next few years you know if this takes off because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► it's going to feel even more like a second-class citizen than it does now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► don't know maybe I mean that does tie in this is a good that's a good segue I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► think because it does tie into I would I can't believe I almost forgot to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► this up is have one major regret from the live show there was one question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► from my list around like I said they're a bunch that I didn't get to that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► they were just sort of like a if we have time i'll get to these if not but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► was one on that I had above the line of definitely want to ask that I didn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► to and it was on the tip of my tongue at one point but it didn't seem like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► right moment and then after that it was like out of my mind and I have forgotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► and the question what would have been fulfilled and it would have been more or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► less along the lines of the mac pro hasn't been updated in over 900 days i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► think as a showtime it was 908 days and the mac mini hasn't been updated in over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► why do you hate pro pro customers and but did it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2093">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► insert audience laughter there but the true thing is i know for a fact talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► to develop her friends and and just reading email from from DF the daring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► fireball audience which has a in addition to developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► I definitely have a lot of readers and listeners who are professionals and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► video and photography and other things where you they want a new mac pro and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► they the concern is palpable that they worry that Apple's phenomenal success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► selling consumer products has left them a disinterested in professional products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► and I think that concern is warranted based on a lot of time over the last few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► years like a lot of I mean first of all like losing things like aperture and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► then seeing like I even the Final Cut transition to final cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► now is that 1x or 10 i honestly don't know iphonedo i'm going to 10-under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► guessed it that I know it you know a lot of project still sore about that man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► died at from understand it's mostly been kinda you know people now are okay with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► it but like you know the software side apple has definitely backed away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► the pro market in into a large degree the hardware side I think it's been even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► more dramatic and granted a lot of pros get away just fine with imax a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► pros use the macbook pro and they're mostly fine with that too although is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► pretty pretty old i think one of the problems we have now and which ties into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► the to the Thunderbolt Display steakhouse but one of the problems we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► have now is that for it seems like Apple has whoever is responsible for deciding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► these like you know these Hardware generations and when to ship things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► and what makes the cut and what gets pushed to the next release it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► they're there sensibility for do we ship now with new stuff we've accumulated so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► far or do we wait and do a bigger update in X time with this that with the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► that's imminent that were there soon will if we wait now we'll do a bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► update in six months that has x y&z [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► and it seems like they're there sensibility for that is just a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► bit off in recent years that was like there are new components they could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► used for the mac pro and and you know the mac pro uses Xeon CPUs until server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► line Zeon's don't get released that often they get released i think roughly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► every 18 months there's like a new generation is beyond that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► suitable to use the mac pro gpus get released even more often that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► yeah and and for Apple to say that this is a like you know they redesigned the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► entire machine to be in entirely like GPU focus that you can't even buy this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► you can only get it with two GPUs and they're going to be server ish or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► workstation each grade GPUs are some asterisk on that but basically they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► going to workstation GPUs and it and you know this is the future of what how we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► see pro computing is these heavy GPU operating machines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► well the GPU world moves really quickly way faster than the cpu were elected and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► it's still moving at that speed you can't say your vision for pro computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► is tons of GPU power and then not update the GPUs that you're selling for three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► yeah like it seems like they set up this course of we're going to know this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► our vision of the future of computing and they just didn't follow through at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► all and it to the point now where you know a year in it was kind of like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► diversity computer faster two years in it was like as everything ok three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► in people are looking for the exits and looking to switch to windows for their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► it definitely is because it and i think that in an ideal world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► well maybe not ideal because ideal would be updated very you know we see lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► update i would say in a realistically ideal world the mac pro could still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► on a greater than one year cycle i think you know it could like 18 months though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► is about the upper limit right some kind of update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► unfortunately that's about as often as until makes news eons so all that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► apple has to do is stop skipping generations because right now the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► in in recent times the mac pro for maybe the last I don't know six seven years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► they've they've released roughly every other xeon generation like they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► skip every other one and i don't know i'm sure there maybe there's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► reasons why but i'm not aware of what those are and it appears from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► outside like they just don't feel like it and that's not a good reason if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► that's the reason and again like it even if for some reason you have to keep the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► same cpus if this computer is really gonna be a GPU focus machine released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► new GPU is for it and by the way this is a pro machine make those gpus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► upgradeable because that's what pros to do a lot of GPUs need they need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► upgradeable powerful recent gpus right and if that's not the focus of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► machine then make you know make it cheaper by making a single GPU option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► and give more cpu options may be redesigned so it can support to two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► sockets again then you can have you can have them like you know double the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► amount of very high speed kors double the number of ram slots like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► that they designed this machine to accomplish a goal that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► seemingly unable or unwilling to actually fulfill its it's just funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► because it's a striking design and obviously it wasn't designed as a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► thought you know it was designed as let's make let's redefine what it means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► to make a kick-ass professional high-performance desktop but then it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► like it was again it's almost like they figured what we're done right came over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► the new mac pro and now we're done let's work on the iphone success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► yeah and it's just it's sad because it does seem like from the outside having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► you know having no answers from apple on this it does seem like they just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► care and and the whole Mac lineup kinda looks like that right now or at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► the vast majority of it and it's you know I know they do care like I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► that's not actually the case but it sure looks bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► it does and it definitely doesn't and maybe it's not even entirely rational i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► think people could professionals concerns about Apple's long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► it's just that it if your personal livelihood is based on what you do at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► your computer and that's probably true it's certainly true for me and you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► it's true for a lot of people listen I think to this show it's it's reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► to be concerned that the only company that makes the tools that you use my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► be interested in serving you anymore right like that's like you know one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► thing Pro users hate with very good reason is being forced to change the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► what they used to do the job in the workflow their hardware the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► whatever they hated it because it sucks because like when you're using him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► get your work done you don't want to have to spend a bunch of time and money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► to change systems to relearn something else to update everything and and fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► everything breaks and deal with missing functionality for a while I have to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► new hardware by new software like it it's very disruptive to pros to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2516">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► their platform their workflow messed with or be forced to change it so when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► you're buying something for pro use you want to be buying into a system that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► going to be stable long-term you don't want to have to be learning a nap now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► that you're going to be discontinued next year and oh by the way you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► also switch to windows if you want to be competitive with your video encoding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► break or whatever like nobody wants that and it you know if it kind of feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► this is gonna be like a downward spiral where like Apple will keep really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► neglecting the pro hardware which will then make people trust it less and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► won't sell as many and then Apple can justify discontinuing those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► neglecting frozen and they say well we don't sell very many of these so why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► should pay attention to these yeah it's it's you know I I feel like it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► take a genius to analyze the situation where the mac is the pro platform and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► iOS is the consumer platform and especially with the iphone that's where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► the you know there's there's what I don't know 20-fold 30-fold more of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► sold per quarter all around the world it's the expansion into all these other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► countries like India and especially China so of course of course it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► you know most important priority of course they're never going to be late on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► an iphone or if they are into a catastrophe not not as a result of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► like imagine if I funding get updated for 900 days you can't rightly I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► literally I know people make these jokes that you know the stocks down ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► percent Tim Cook should be fired or shouldn't even say they make jokes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► other jackasses elysee they're serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► but it with no hyperbole if Apple when you got even close to that if Apple went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► you know two years without an iphone update i think would be reasonable for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► the the board did maybe call tim cook and say it's time you know you're out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► yeah that would be that would be cause for serious concern right it's that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► can't even really it's unfathomable yeah you know so 900 days for the mac pro's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► you know it's not gonna get anybody fired but it certainly looks Ben and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► can even see it with the mac mini where the mac minis never been updated quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► and maybe that's not really a pro machine although i do know that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► are some people who use it and pro sort of ways by like you know setting up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► build machines and stuff like that or like like servers for offices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► organizations in some cases right and I would you know my friend Brian Stuckey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► at a formerly of mac mini colo yeah at mack stadium is the new company that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► had bought them right yeah yeah well they like merged and even so I know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► sent me like a please ask if you get any under know you've got on the talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► but if you get anybody good can you please ask him about my poor Mac Mini so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► there is a pro angle on on the mac mini yeah but also it's worth pointing out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► like the current generation mac mini and the current generation mac pro both do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► lot less than their previous hardware designs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► yeah so like they've taken these products and not only have they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► them you know indicated that approach actually more expensive now because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► have to pay for two gpus so now it's more expensive and it has less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► flexibility and less upgradability and fewer and fewer configuration options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► unless less if you can put into it less maximum capacity i know a lot of areas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► and the mac mini to the mac mini used to have quad-core option and it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► really great wave to get a decent amount of power and a little you know headless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► server and occasionally they go up for sale on the apple refurb store and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► they just disappear in like a minute like they're there is still incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► demand for I believe it was a 2012 era cpu in these roughly twenty twelve mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► minis because they happen to be quad-core and that's a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► processing power in total in parallel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► then the current models dual-core highest configuration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► yeah and look at what people want to do is these things that are paralyzed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► double right especially in a server so like or you know even if using it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► home like for like a media thing for your TV or if using as a built over all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► those things using the course of almost everything that like a pro gonna do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► it is parallel and and you know even for home users like at least make the option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► like so Apple has these machines now where they're actually making them worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► and in some cases worse and more expensive overtime and updating them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► almost never and then so of course sales going to go down which again is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► it's gonna make that downward spiral start with that then they won't be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► to justify updating them and it's gonna get worse and I feel like you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► we're gonna get through this i think if we ever get to the headphone jack and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► you probably shouldn't let it get the text i have a lot to say about that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► we're doubling it it seems like Apple is somewhere and apple there's like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► obsession with getting rid of things getting rid of options getting rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► ports getting rid of hardware getting rid of of something you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► getting rid of things and I can see how you get that way I've gotten that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► we're like it feels really good to get rid of stuff and oftentimes there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► it isn't always worth it and sometimes the costs outweigh the benefits and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► seems like you know similar to how I question the the the decision-making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► that has led to like oh well just wait until thing in the near future to update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► I also question the judgment recently of we can just take this out or we can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► make this worse or we can just make this more expensive or whatever and it'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► worth it in the end because we're moving forward it's the future the vision of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► the future is things can do less and cost more like no that's but that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► that's actually what we're seeing in some of these products and it that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► I i think so too would have an interesting task so I regret not asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► that question i don't have good on that one on stage with it but probably not i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► would but in order to be better that he didn't get there were prior to WWDC up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► until a couple weeks there were a lot of expectations that there might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► and if they would you know Mac people are thinking maybe new macbooks maybe a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► new mac pro I don't really think that new mac pro ever really heated up too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► much but there were whispers that that the kids the supply constraint of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► Thunderbolt displays was going down and it's just one of these like catch-22 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► chicken in the egg problems right like which comes first like well if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► gonna you know they needed desperately need a retina standalone display like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► this . once you're used to retina on all of your devices from the watch to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► phone to your iPad and the imac has this beautiful beautiful display it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► sticks out like a sore thumb that their best display for a mac pro is not retina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► and it's like for me at this point it's like I I almost can't believe how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► can't believe I lived my whole life before rent this place but so fuzzy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2937">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► so it sticks out but if they make it you know what drives it you know does commit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► you know if they came out with a 5k retina display i think that the existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► mac pro wouldn't be able to drive it well there's like again it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► whole buncha astrix on that like it could with like dual cables maybe and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► with certain acts like basically like the way that displays are driven over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► Thunderbolt ports is way more complicated like the more as time goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► on I learn even more about it and I learned how little I know about it yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► and like basically there's an asterisk and everything and it's not as simple as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► Thunderbolt doesn't have enough bandwidth for this because it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► technically Thunderbolts displayport that runs that it's like there's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► these all these little asterisks like well you can make a bridge get that did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► this you can use this hack over the cable to do this and and it's basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► a mess right now and it will be much cleaner and simpler with Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► I remember when that when the original 5k imac came out the first one which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/2995">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► what i'm using right now to give the new wondered you have the original I'd say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► yes i have the exact same one that you do and i was talking after that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► announced that I got to talk and like a product briefing and they explained to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► me like some of the product marketing people explain exactly how they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► and it's just amazing it's such a hack I mean I had not like a bad hack like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► dirty hack but it's you know it's just crazy but it totally makes sense as to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► this is like the embodiment of why Apple likes to make an all-in-one product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► because all of that ugliness they can just encapsulate it inside the thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► we'll just take care of it will write our own i mean i mentioned this on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► event that what they call it that the custom the teeth on the time yet roller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► the timing controller because it's like they have to have these the the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► they have a custom timing controller i think i think i have it in later times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► but because they need like two cables to do it they need this timing controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► so that the the two signals coming in look like you're just getting one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3056">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► picture that's basically it yeah its 22 pictures that are being combined in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► set of you know apples very high frame rate so that you don't notice anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► they need to write a custom timing controller it just is it just perfectly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► embodies why Apple likes to make devices like the imac rather than the mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► with a standalone display so I think what's going on I think what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► is that they're going to release a 5k cinema display and they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► release new mac pros and i'm going to release new macbook pros but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► that like they can't release any of them until they're already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► I think honestly that's that's probably just like a choice that they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► release them all together i mean they probably could stand a little bit if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► they really felt like it but the fact is it doesn't matter we don't really know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► guess they obviously could for example they could release new mac pros that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► capable right in this thing and just say just use your old crappy dell monitor or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► exactly so that's you know probably sometime in the next six months were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3116">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► probably getting all these things if I if I would hazard a guess i'm guessing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► well the mac pro's a bit of a problem because the history here of course there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► was a bit of a problem but the the type of zeon it would use if it's being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► released this fall would most likely be the broad well beyond the sky lake xeon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► is coming out sometime next year and it's a really big improvement for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► sea on platform like there's a lot of other stuff that goes along with that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► I'm kind of afraid that Apple's gonna wait for the head and if they do cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► if they don't wait will Syracuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► well he's always gonna want it Syracuse's back is to the wall at people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► who don't listen to ATP and I bet the overlap is like ninety percent and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► probably but the mac OS Sierra doesn't officially run on John's because he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► using like a 1998 at bondi bondi blue powermac doesn't doesn't run on it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► finally been dropped so now he's in the conundrum mary has been waiting for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► of these years 20 22 years or something like that to upgrade his mac pro and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► he then has to or you won't be able to run Mac OS Sierra on it or there there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► one of those like hack bootloader programs that will like modify Sierra to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► actually work like it actually does work they just don't feel like supporting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► basically so like you actually could install it through this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► unofficially support hack like it what do you think is more offensive to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► syracuse guys they're gonna panic or we're not running it or buying a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► macro that he knows is going to be obsolete it's in right like I at this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► a really tough position to put him away it's almost like a perfect predator has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► a new file system yeah and it's the only way that he could use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► yeah actually no no they're going to car and they are going to come out the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► system for El Capitan right i think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► no no why would they did I thought that they were going to so they like plug a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3236">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► disk into El Cap but maybe by the time the file system actually ships that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► I don't know Anna it's very funny though maybe this really was like a masterful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► trolling of Syracuse of this year it really was really is but it's his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► fault for not buying should about the mac pro as we know as soon as it came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► yeah and i even offered to sell me when i sold my 2010 Erehwon much week does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► run this which is that you know decently better than his 2008 offer to sell to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► him for a really good Frederick well below market just gonna want to carry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► but I don't deal with selling it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► and he was like no I'm August wait i'm happy with my 2008 ok the best time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► buy a computer is when it's brand-new and maybe if you're really smart buy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► like just a little after it comes out so you can read initial reviews and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► make sure there's not like something really stinky right by like like a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► or two in yeah yeah yeahs weeks in like apple doesn't they don't lower their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3297">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► prices over time as the computers get older like you're paying the same price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► and the same computer on day number nine hundred of the mac pro as you're paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► I like who's I I just can't even imagine who's buying a mac pro right now i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► yeah i just imagined it almost everyone they're selling right now is through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► gritted teeth like somebody who's old one broke or or they've made a new hire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► you know you've got a new guy on the staff we got to get him a mac pro or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► something like that right anything else I can be directed by putting the toilet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► and like August yes dammit like but like you know that makes people mad like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► is yet another reason why Apple needs to really look at this and see if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► could do this better release things more often because like right now if you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► not a lot of people buy the mac pro you know a lot of people buy the macbook pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► and that is also really outdated and you know to have people knowing that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3354">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► things are old and outdated and I think a lot of people i mean not everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► will know knows that but i think a lot of buyers do and they're going to go a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► whole summer now of all these back-to-school sales of our like kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3367">TS</a>]
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00:56:43 ◼ ► like when i got my tubes my cylinder mac pro like a couple months after it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3403">TS</a>]
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00:57:25 ◼ ► update you know less overdue like the more consumer-friendly device is updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3445">TS</a>]
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00:57:53 ◼ ► has has had a lot of delays we've gotten less reliable so maybe he couple that or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► or you know definitely don't skip any or figure out ways to give more free more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3478">TS</a>]
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00:58:27 ◼ ► selling these brand-new in the 15-inch macbook pro their highest on laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3507">TS</a>]
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00:58:35 ◼ ► hey we just crossed the one hour marker a little bit ago so I think we're on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3515">TS</a>]
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00:58:39 ◼ ► yeah okay you haven't seen the length of my notes for the headphone jack i made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3519">TS</a>]
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01:00:20 ◼ ► alright let's talk about the headphone jack and share you wanted a short show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► CI I'm fascinated by this I I wanted to write about this a few months ago and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► was one of those things right collected a lot of notes and had some thoughts on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► it and just now I think it's one of those ones where having a podcast sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► of hurts my column a daring fireball because it was like I talked about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► was a couple people on the show over a week or two and then it's like I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► like I got out of my system so I never wrote about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► see this is this is where you're in trouble now because you know a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► months ago when the rumor first started started going around we all talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► like I talked about on ATP i remand and so I probably won't get a chance to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► about ntp this week so therefore we're gonna dump this on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► ok because it's interesting like you know so this kind of flamed up again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► this week because nilay patel the verge of the big thing about it was that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► so yeah harder to start with Daisuke Wakabayashi published a story in The [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► Wall Street Journal monday more or less confirming all the stuff that we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► heard that the next iPhone is going to largely look like the iphone 6 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► success and yeah removal of the headphone port would be one of the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► features features this changes changes changes I I Ali ok i will happily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► written that intention to changes and forget it just you know a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► things that we've heard rumored for awhile coming out of the supply chain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► and wakizashi had sources familiar with the matter who can't speak for whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► ah which is worthwhile it's you know it didn't have any there's nothing in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3716">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► that I hadn't seen before but it's always worthwhile when somebody with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► the track record of the wall street journal confirms it but then after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► that's when Neil i published most was the headline and I forget it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► something like you know six reasons why the you know you don't want the rueful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► headphone jack and and he even said like in his Twitter lake you making taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► the headphone jack off iphones is user hostile and stupid and he even said he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► even kind of like-- disclaimed in his twitter link to it like I was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► angry when I wrote this so it probably sucks like something like that like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► you know I give the benefit of the doubt on that and a lot of his points i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► thought were valid and good and not all I didn't agree with all of it but I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► think i agree with most of it and then you wrote this rebuttal piece mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► mostly running him i think that was basically like it you know its progress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► that's going to happen why not now is that is that a fair summary I yes it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► going to happen eventually maybe why not now I if there's one thing that seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► like people misread it I think Steve stress had a piece on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► yes medium and and his assumption is that I was arguing that this is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► change for iphone users and I never said that if you read my thing I never said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► that because i don't know i have no idea what they're replacing with I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► and and walked by she didn't either i think people assume that the default at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► your buds will be lightning if if they're getting rid of the audio port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► what we call it what is it called standard headphone jack doesn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► it has a few names technically it's one of the family of phone plugs and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► specifically a 3.5 millimeter trrs jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► well the TR RS Jack you're welcome i think most people assume that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► standard earpods are going to be lightning because then they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► to have batteries and there's no latency there's all sorts of good reasons why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► you still want a wired set of your earphones earpods whatever you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3835">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► call them could be that the defaults will be bluetooth or some other new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► proprietary wireless solution seems like an upsell that does to me too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► also if they were going to have a proprietary wireless thing that we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► been using the apple watch is Bluetooth sucks for the Apple watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► so the heat they definitely use it there if they had one well maybe it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► maybe it's up there with the skylines eons right i don't know but who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► but i just don't know I don't know what the story is and so my argument is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► I'd i think that the removal of this port is inevitable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► will it be there in 50 years i I just no way so what is the timeframe well i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3876">TS</a>]
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01:04:51 ◼ ► sake of argument here I looked this up before the show there's a wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► article on the phone plug the the large like they've never seen like a stereo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► from like the seventies or if you're a high-end headphones nerd and you seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3899">TS</a>]
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01:05:05 ◼ ► one but it's about twice as big and dimensions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► yes that version was invented in 1878 for you so enough phone exchanges and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3907">TS</a>]
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01:05:20 ◼ ► the two rings halfway through so it has like three total areas of the plug and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► it's smaller than 3.5 million won that one appeared roughly in 1964 and became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► popular with the original sony walkman in 1979 so we're talking about at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► yeah yeah so this thing is old and you know this you know what the reason it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► has lasted so long is because it is universal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► it is very simple electrically it's very very simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► there's no smarts to it's just like it's just pure analog signal going over these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► you know two or three wires inside the cable or in the case of the of the head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► for remote for wires into the cable very very simple electrically they're very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► reliable for the most part like the the port can get gunked up with dust but so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► can the lighting ports open any port so you know compared to other ports it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► not particularly bad for reliability it's very very durable and it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3974">TS</a>]
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01:06:29 ◼ ► there is also a thinner version this so this version is 3.5 millimeter is a 2.5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► version that used to be on like some like answering machines and then more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► recently it's often used like on the on the ear end of removable headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► well you'll have like the end of the phone and the other employees into like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► your ear cup and sometimes that'll be the skinnier one you met you I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► couple of those I've seen that I i used to own something that had that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► know what the hell was though it doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► well the other thing about about making the devices thinner with the standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4017">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► headphone jack i keep pointing this out over and over again but the ipod touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► still has it and the ipod touch is significantly thinner than the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► iphone yes and the nanotube i believe it's also thinner and also has its like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► it you know it the reason to remove it now isn't a thickness barrier because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► you know where are you know we see apples apple makes their devices with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► this so that's not the reason i would also say you know so like in my category [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► of like reason that doesn't have to go yet you know it assuming it has to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► they're one of the reasons this might be the time is like you know what are we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► gaining they're moving out because there's cost-of-living it so i think one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► thing we're gaining would be you know a lot of people assume space for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► battery right except that if you look at the tear downs of you know where this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► port is on the phone while you're down there at the bottom next to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► Lightning assembly and everything and then on the other side of the speaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► next we meet again microphone everything down there like that's not where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► need space for the battery I mean they could go to some kind of crazy system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► like the macbook one where they have like different shapes of battery things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4076">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► all over the place but this is a phone and they have to replace a lot of phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► batteries under warranty and people replace them aftermarket anyone when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► they're old and in different countries and everything you need the battery to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► be easily serviceable replaceable and cheap and so keeping it as one regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► rectangle of a battery is way more practical for them and also like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► total amount of space you would save or the supersonic space you would gain by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► invading that little you know rectangle of area at the bottom of the phone where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► the headphone jack is you can just make the battery like some minuscule amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► thicker and keep it in the same footprint and it would have that same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► volume increase and be way cheaper and easier to deal with so like battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► is probably not the reason either because it's just like where it is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► the phone and what else is down there like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► don't really see a massive internal redesign of the phone layout inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► where that space would suddenly become space you could expand the battery into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► it might but I think it's unlikely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4137">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► well I think it goes far enough in that the space is significant but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► I think the biggest city space-saving argument or or three-dimensional you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► know this thing is just too big or too thick or too long argument would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► probably have to do with next year's new iphone which I believe it is you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► mentioned it on the show and I know whether there's rumors about it to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► if it goes to more of an edge-to-edge display which would be like the top and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► bottom of the display go to the edges closes the sides do now then I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► it's a problem because I don't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► I think it's a lot harder to have the jit the jack would therefore have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► yes so remove it then well thats what im saying you don't think that the y now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► that doesn't count for y now unless they just right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► possibly just want to eat the shit sandwich now of putting up with people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► complaints about this a year in advance of unveiling that phone so that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► don't complain about it when the amazing new industrial design is unveiled and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► and that might be the reason but that's a crappy reason I don't think that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► reason though i don't think there is a reason all I'm saying it you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► is the the secondary thrust of my art you know my argument which is what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► don't know how about we just wait and find out what the story is before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► complain like it's to me that it's it's too soon to say this is user hostile and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► stupid right although it's also too late to change it right but we don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► proof that it's not user hostile and stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► it might be that guess that if there's anything that i wish i would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► emphasized more it's like okay maybe it is but we certainly don't know that yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► and it may well not be i'm wondering and you know you definitely know more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► headphones and I do is I'm wondering about if it switches to lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► something digital how much better could the input be not just that output right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► now you think of headphones output you put them in and you listen right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► like the whole input stuff like voice you know through the microphone and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► little clicks like when you you know what they're like play pause and fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4257">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► I mean you know we write a podcast player that stuff is all that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► like it serious hack it is a hack but it's also it also works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► yeah he's letting you know the main thing that you can say in from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► point of view is that is limiting like for example you can only have mono input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► right now there's only there's only one pin for the microphone return so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► you can only have one chance so if you wanted to have like I you know a nicer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► microphone setup maybe if you want a podcast or record something from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► from your device you can if you're using that port you can only record a mono and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► lightning adapter look you know lightning devices can add much more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► that they can have all sorts of inputs and outputs and and especially if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► have custom custom apps to deal with them then they can do a lot of the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:42 ◼ ► of them do but that also isn't a good argument because like well we already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► have that now that you don't have to remove the headphone port to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► lightning audio we have lighting audio already and we also have the headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► yeah but you know and there's also by the way while we're on this topic there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4314">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► there's a huge argument going around with with the pro side of this that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► could enable better audio quality and let me tell you as an audio file that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► complete garbage this this doesn't it first of all you know you have the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► problem of like well if lightning headphones can be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► great we can have that now we don't need to remove the headphone jack to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► that happen and and the way iOS channels audio devices if any other device is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► connected via lightning or USB or whatever that device just takes over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► from the built-in microphone and speakers and headphones and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► else like you don't even have to like this offer is not to do anything to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► advantage of lightning connector audio devices that they just works so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► from that point of view to keeping the headphone jack around and the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► some people have that a lightning connected headphone would have better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► audio quality because you could have like a really nice deck and amp that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► deck is the DAC to audio converter that converts literally convert the digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4376">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► signal to the sound that you hear and then of course the amplifies that two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► different volumes for you at the end . it has to go to analog there's no right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► because it's actually going to put sound waves into your ear right and so that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► wouldn't worry about the drm angle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► you know I did because I like it would be trivial to let you know if if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► actually relying on like analog output to capture to rerecord to pirate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► something will be trivial to just you know take apart the headphones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► connect couple things to their to the trip to the wires go to the drivers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► you know that be it so that's that part of the drm is not a concern licensing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► the connector is but I'll get to that but the idea that you get better audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► quality out of having separate like premium headphones have premium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► dachshund amson them that is possible however it's extremely unlikely in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► reality because in reality it is very difficult to distinguish differences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:54 ◼ ► between Dax and amps especially once you've crossed a minimum threshold and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4434">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► like people who made this argument are often talking about like how Jackson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► computers are always crappy and the fact is they were really crappy like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► nineties that's when they were crappy and most like built-in headphone jacks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► and and sound cards that are in computers and and our phones and tablets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► today are pretty decent like they're fine and the limiting factor to how good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► they can sound is not the quality of the DAC and the amp in the phone it's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► always limiting factor is the headphones that using and the environment you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► that's it like when you're listening to your phone like you might be commuting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► you might be outside you might be in a loud shared office and you're probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► listening on headphones that are like you know at best decent probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► probably not like the big full-size open-back ones that audio files like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► listen critically with and those headphones listening on like there's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► much room for improvement in the sound just by better headphones better drivers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► better tuning of the sound him to make it you know less trying to imitate beats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4497">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► badly and more just trying to sound good and you know like that is where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► improvement comes from it does not come from in the portable brown but does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► usually come from different tax and apps at that dachshund answer just a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► nice way to sell overpriced stuff people who want better sound but never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► considered the fact that they should just buy better headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► I I saw somebody today and I'm sorry who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► no that's okay this is good somebody today was speculating that maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► will switch they'll do like a noise cancelling thing and they'll have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► the stuff on the phone doing it like right now when you buy noise-canceling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► headphones you have to put batteries in the actual headphones like when you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► them from bos or whatever because it takes it takes power to actually do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► noise cancelling so the phone could do it but I i find that unlikely like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► sounds good when you think about noise cancelling you know some people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► noise cancelling headphones and in certain scenarios like being on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► I it's you know really is very useful but i think that sounds very unlikely to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4557">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► me that anybody is going to find it and I a good idea to have headphones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► draw power from your iphone like when you're using the headphones your you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► get worse battery life like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► yeah that doesn't sound like something people are gonna sign up for like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► is a penguin analyze things what I mean in reality like it isn't that much power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► but it's still you know it's still not trivial but the reality is like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► high-end headphones like noise canceling everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► those are all moving bluetooth now and I believe my have I have things to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► about bluetooth as well but I think like a horse had this argument is like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► lighting headphones will be great but you know what lighting headphones are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► very expensive like pretty premium price right now this very few of them in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► fields are very expensive they will always be more expensive than other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► headphones because they're gonna have the Apple licensing the mfi you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► stuff and then they're gonna want to be sold an apple retail stores are gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► have these you know primo you there i'm guessing mostly headphones are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► be above 300 dollars in all likelihood and you're gonna have this stuff but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► problem is if you look at the headphone market everyone's kinda freaking out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► trying to rush out bluetooth models in the last couple years because everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► wants noise cancelling and Bluetooth at in the high-end like if you're looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► at high-end headphones like headphones that cost more than 200 bucks there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► four iphones or for portable use like everybody wants bluetooth and noise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► cancelling and so that is you know in many ways that's an argument for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► headphone jack removal because you can say well you know if everyone's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► bluetooth then you know we don't need this right and this is why I think like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► no bluetooth is it in many ways it is worse then wired headphones it in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► ways it's a lot worse than wear headphones like the sound quality is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► by the way the reason sound quality is pretty rough is not usually because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/4674">TS</a>]
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01:25:15 ◼ ► than other headphones of similar you know quality attributes and it bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5115">TS</a>]
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01:28:19 ◼ ► pairing process of headphones as we know them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5299">TS</a>]
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01:28:27 ◼ ► to you know if you want to all of a sudden have the headphones be playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► output from a different device you know you do you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► plug it and you plug the other device and because they all the same port like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► even the macbook one has no other ports except it has a headphone port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► ok that's like--that's the wall besides the USBC that's like that's like the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:45 ◼ ► other port they deemed worthy of including my computer was an important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5325">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► like that that just kind of shows like how ubiquitous and an important and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► compelling it is for the support to get into to continue to exist like so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► ultimately though like if this thing about the iphone is true i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► world of lightning headphones is generally terrible a terrible idea and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► is probably not going to be very healthy nobody maybe probably going to be mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► adapters to regular headphones or Bluetooth maybe though it'll kickstart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► because no it hasn't taken off to date because why why would you bother getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► lightning headphones when you can get a regular headphone jack headphones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► are you know have the same audio quality and they're cheaper right by the way i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► should point out too i love i love this so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► the headphones that are pictured and every article about lighting headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► on the verge are the odds al8 titanium or platinum or something there eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► hundred dollars and they sound terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► just just putting that out there they look really cool and we're gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► lots of lightning headphones that look really cool and cost a lot of money but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► hopefully it'll sound better than the yellow heat sorry Jose I'm know there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► one sponsor I'm never gonna get let's dispel the notion that may be made I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5397">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► seen this kicked around and i think is total nonsense never gonna happen is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► that the solution is one of the problems people have lighting the idea of using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► lightning as the port for wired headphones is that now you're stuck with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► an apple proprietary solution that has to get a licensing fee has to meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► apples approval and therefore has to be more expensive than it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► otherwise because whatever the licensing fee is its if it's even a penny that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► means that thing's gonna cost a penny more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► it's and it's not going to be a penny right well but the idea of people I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► seen kicking about is well okay well if a headphone port it should be open and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► everybody likes having an open standard why not us bc maybe that's the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► the iphone switch to us bc and guess what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► is not going to switch to us bc there's no chance of that no chance first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► it's thicker the lining right then that alone is a deal breaker and i'll put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► in the show notes hopefully but there's not a good link to somebody did like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► really nice precise diagram showing just how much thicker it is and it actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► would be pretty close to a gating factor already on the iphone 6 and everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► knows a place to make devices thinner overtime so yeah like when you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► eyeball them side-by-side you can say oh yeah they're like more or less the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► but when you get right down to it and start measuring the you know tenths of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► millimeter it's it's too big of a difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► yeah definitely and it strategically apple is not going to give up their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► proprietary port that they've had on the iphone all along for a non-proprietary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► port just that they can have a quote-unquote open headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► yeah and then they couldn't possibly care less so yeah I mean and and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► be cost increase I mean headphones already especially you know especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► headphones that are targeted at smartphone use and there would be kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► of we sold an apple store like the price of the headphone has so little to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:54 ◼ ► with the cost of its components in this market that that would not like the cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5514">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► of FI certification would probably not be the reason why this headphone cost a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5519">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► these headphones cost a lot because they know their song into a premium market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► that's based mostly on brand recognition and being sold a high-end retail store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► like that is why that is why these headphones cost what they do lighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► headphones will be expensive but it won't be because of the raw component [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:19 ◼ ► costs increase it will be because everything else about them so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:23 ◼ ► that's that you know ultimately like I really do believe that we are heading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5543">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► towards a world of Apple pushing up you know it assuming this is true the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► push is going to be towards polluted it's not gonna be towards the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► cabling standards going to be bluetooth because that again we're already moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► there so much because the reality is like as you use it like look i have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:46 ◼ ► whole closet and a couple of drawers full of way better headphones that my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5566">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► little bluetooth walking pair and yet little blue the walking pair is the 1i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5571">TS</a>]
01:32:56 ◼ ► am using most often with my iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5576">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► because even though it is worse in so many different ways it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► complicated it's more expensive needs to be charged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► it's a little bit flaky with that connection when i move my hand worse it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► sounds worse like the sound quality is worth so much about it is worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► however it is more compelling and if you look at like it you know worse but more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► compelling is like the theme of modern computing advances so many things we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► have no just it we have given up reliability simplicity openness cost so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► you know something like good hatcheries we've given those up for a new thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► that is just you know a nicer in some way or I wanted more or it's just more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► compelling for some reason and that's how thats why i like I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:47 ◼ ► anybody who has who has started using bluetooth headphones and then ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5627">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► wanted to use wired headphones again it's like Wi-Fi vs ethernet worse but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► more compelling that's exactly in the early years of a Wi-Fi and Wi-Fi now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5635">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► it was really not so if you're currently here but a speed difference was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► really dramatic in the early years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► yeah you didn't even need to have a terrific internet connection and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► could easily set your Wi-Fi connection and the ethernet would be the other way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► around like you couldn't you couldn't buy a internet connection that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► saturate you know even under base-t yeah you know you have bluetooth will with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► whatever argument we can have about the headphone jack now like it will be worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► not having it it will suck not having it sometimes for some people be more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► sometimes but in general like we are better off if we can keep it but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► general the market is moving towards bluetooth headphones and it is worse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► that's okay what about latency is one thing that bothers me and I'm one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:50 ◼ ► those weirdos I realized it's like I tell people this and they look at me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5690">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► they had think I'm joking but i generally run with the key clicks on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► like yeah i'm typing on the iphone keyboard i like to hear the clicks but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5697">TS</a>]
01:35:01 ◼ ► can't every night I just the cognitive trying to trying to make sense of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5701">TS</a>]
01:35:07 ◼ ► lag when I have bluetooth headphones on if I can possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► also I mean it's hard it's hard to also ignore the fact that some pretty common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:14 ◼ ► task for people do on phones include watching videos and playing games and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5714">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► put the hoods really suck if there's noticeable audio latency yeah the video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► problem they seem to have solved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► they seem I don't notice any kind of lip sync problem you know that's really when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► you can tell with audios off it looks like lips aren't moving in sync when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► they've done something where I think that they they can you know let's sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► of like what federighi was saying with the speed of light calculations with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► onstage last week he said yeah where they can tell just how close the watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► to the macbook that's being unlocked with that new feature I they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► something where the video is lags by the exact same amount that the audio has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5755">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► like because of Bluetooth it's instinct but games are are like the keyboard like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► you know all the beeps and Boop's and blocks or a half second behind you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:08 ◼ ► but ultimately i think what's going to happen is we're going to deal with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5768">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► because like I mean one thing is like I learned my tried to buy wireless digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► microphones for for our recording this year at WTC and that failed miserably on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► if you're transmitting audio wirelessly if you're doing it in like a pure analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► sense like the way you know old cordless mics work and a lot of old cordless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► phones worked you know analog suction a lot of ways you pick up static and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► everything but analog is basically latency free if you're doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► digitally with a bluetooth is doing having no transmitting audio digitally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► wirelessly from some device in your hand to headphones on your head and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► having those headphones and convert the audio digitally into the analog sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:50 ◼ ► just because of the nature of digital transmission of the other like buffers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5810">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► in different places and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► there's always going to be some degree of latency and even the best latency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5815">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► like even the lowest we've managed to get it as an industry is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► noticeable for things like lip-syncing lining up and and for you know there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► and that's like the best of most of what you're getting included in bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► headphones is not top-notch equipment you know it's it's not like the best of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:15 ◼ ► the best its consumer grade no cheapo stuff and so you're never going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5835">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► digital transmission of sound from a phone to your head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:24 ◼ ► phones that that is latency free it's we i don't think we know how to do that as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5844">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► a science right so it i think this is gonna be one of those things where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:33 ◼ ► just always going to be worse and we will just as a as a society we will just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5853">TS</a>]
01:37:38 ◼ ► move to well I guess we just won't play games with headphones on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► well I guess we just won't will turn off our keyboards sounds or something right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► because again like the advantages like once you get used to using bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► headphones using a wire feels barbaric like it because I know the ice whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:54 ◼ ► I travel on a plane like my bluetooth one stuck on a plane because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5874">TS</a>]
01:37:58 ◼ ► they're small they don't isolate so I usually bring a nicer pair of wire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5878">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► headphones for the point for planes and it just feels so weird to have this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:06 ◼ ► wire going down my side into my pocket like once you're not used to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5886">TS</a>]
01:38:13 ◼ ► once I mean once I got used to having the the like track forward trackback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5893">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► volume controls on the earcup as buttons on my bluetooth pair rather than having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► the clicker they have all right click twice for 43 times for back you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► try to like once again once you get used to the convenience of it really is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:31 ◼ ► much better that you tolerate all the crap about bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5911">TS</a>]
01:38:34 ◼ ► yeah I i got them for running for listening to podcasts and then when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5914">TS</a>]
01:38:39 ◼ ► really just listening party yes while I run and the that the tethered is being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5919">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► tethered to the headphones always bothered me it did never once figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► out i tried all sorts of stuff holding the phone an armband putting it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:54 ◼ ► pocket i tried everything and no matter what that that the wire getting away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5934">TS</a>]
01:38:59 ◼ ► that's why i bought it but then I this is like the 10 9 months ago something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5939">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► like that when I got these the beach once but the thing i noticed was over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► how nice it was in East Coast winner when I could wear them all bundled up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:12 ◼ ► with a coat and still have my phone in the pocket because with a winter coat on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5952">TS</a>]
01:39:17 ◼ ► and a hat the a fight that it did was just another type of mass having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5957">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► table-and-chair like snake it through different layers yeah exactly like sneak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:25 ◼ ► it through the button you know it's almost like when you wire yourself up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5965">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► and then you know trying to get it out it's even worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► alright there's no one last topic on the headphone thing and the end headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► yeah that i have in my notes is the waterproofing angle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► see that's that's kind of a bad one because like there are already phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:45 ◼ ► out there that other people make that have headphone ports and are waterproof [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5985">TS</a>]
01:39:51 ◼ ► I that's true i wonder i wonder if it would be purchased part of the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5991">TS</a>]
01:39:59 ◼ ► though it you know and then there's an angle where maybe it's a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/5999">TS</a>]
01:40:03 ◼ ► BS because hey well okay you're saying that the phone is water-resistant now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► and one of the reasons you got rid of this ancient you know headphone port but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► there's these other phones that are water-resistant and they have it though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► did the other phones that have it did they make you plug it up with like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:20 ◼ ► little rubber cover or they just like nope you can just know i don't know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6020">TS</a>]
01:40:25 ◼ ► think that the US soon ever seen an android phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6025">TS</a>]
01:40:28 ◼ ► well there's a funny commercial it's it's so it's obnoxious but there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:32 ◼ ► a funny commercial for series of commercials for samsung where there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6032">TS</a>]
01:40:36 ◼ ► guy who's i think i'm supposed to know who he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6036">TS</a>]
01:40:38 ◼ ► I think he's like a rap star but I don't know who he is and he's he's got a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6038">TS</a>]
01:40:42 ◼ ► samsung whatever top-of-the-line galaxy edge or whatever and he's just pouring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6042">TS</a>]
01:40:47 ◼ ► champagne on it and he comes into a convenience store and he asked the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6047">TS</a>]
01:40:51 ◼ ► if he's pouring champagne on his house phone while he comes into the store and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6051">TS</a>]
01:40:55 ◼ ► he says to get you nowhere champagne and the guys points back there and bottles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6055">TS</a>]
01:40:59 ◼ ► empty and he throws it away and he goes by a new bottle of champagne pop the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6059">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► cork and just starts pouring pouring it on his phone again and that's the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► the commercial i laughed because our company that it is but it is such an egg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:12 ◼ ► obnoxious commercial ever forget that i can you even imagine of apple had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6072">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► commercial that was that just showed some somebody of you know wasting two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► bottles of champagne to pour on their phone but i can only presume that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:26 ◼ ► samsung one must be waterproof with the headphone yeah i think it is yeah i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6086">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► from overriding the details but I i knows these fun exist right so like is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:34 ◼ ► there are reasons that Apple could say on stage to do why they did this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6094">TS</a>]
01:41:39 ◼ ► like if you look down the list of reasons why they might do this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6099">TS</a>]
01:41:44 ◼ ► a you know the thickness the waterproofing like all these are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6104">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► strong reasons because it either they are totally unnecessary or like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:53 ◼ ► there's enough ways around that are enough astronaut that it's not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6113">TS</a>]
01:41:56 ◼ ► that valid so I you know if you look at like there are some similar reasons why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6116">TS</a>]
01:42:01 ◼ ► Apple want to do this i mean they would stand to make more money they would save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6121">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► a component costs they would save on warranty repair stuff when I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:07 ◼ ► pull it out of people headphone jacks and fix the ones a jamup it was by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6127">TS</a>]
01:42:11 ◼ ► way again is also a problem loading ports and so like you know that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6131">TS</a>]
01:42:15 ◼ ► are lots of reasons why Apple want to do this i mean it would it would cause a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6135">TS</a>]
01:42:20 ◼ ► wave of headphone upgrades and apple sells a lot of their own headphones with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6140">TS</a>]
01:42:25 ◼ ► their name and beats his name on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6145">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► in addition many of those headphones upgrades would apply at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:31 ◼ ► point-of-sale when you buy your iphone hey why don't also treat yourself to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6151">TS</a>]
01:42:35 ◼ ► to this 200r pair of beats because you're going to do half of this phone so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6155">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► that would help their attachment sale rate with self new iPhones it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► apple with Santa make quite a lot of additional money by doing this I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:47 ◼ ► that's not the reason that probably isn't the reason but I bet that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6167">TS</a>]
01:42:52 ◼ ► what if they do ship a pair of white in your just pods with the phone you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6172">TS</a>]
01:43:00 ◼ ► get them with the phone wireless bluetooth things that come with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6180">TS</a>]
01:43:04 ◼ ► phone but then they also have a whole lineup of new beat stuff ready to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6184">TS</a>]
01:43:10 ◼ ► like the upsell is for guys its that's possible but i think it's very unlikely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6190">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► i think it's way more like we said earlier that what you get in the box is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:18 ◼ ► either nothing like maybe they may be able to decide you know what we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6198">TS</a>]
01:43:21 ◼ ► need to ship had one in the box anymore you can buy anything just what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6201">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► doing you a favor offering the choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► alright so maybe that's the angle or more likely they ship wired lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► headphones of the box and just just a wire lighting version of the ones they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:33 ◼ ► ship now that that's way more likely i think and and you know and it's possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6213">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► that like the way the way that what's that Japanese rumor site like a Couture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:45 ◼ ► so i don't know i don't have pronounced Japanese words it's it i will just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6225">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► embarrass myself unfortunately but like they reported months ago we first talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:51 ◼ ► about this that the next iPhone would have like a special like some extra pins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6231">TS</a>]
01:43:55 ◼ ► on the line on lightning port and special circuitry inside there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6235">TS</a>]
01:43:58 ◼ ► she send analog audio out over the port to be able to power passive devices that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6238">TS</a>]
01:44:03 ◼ ► don't have a built-in deck a nap and that would be how the next chief apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6243">TS</a>]
01:44:08 ◼ ► earbuds wouldn't would receive the audio lakes is so it's physically over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6248">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► Lightning port but they're receiving analog audio that seems very plausible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:16 ◼ ► to me I said it even back then like that is that sounds extremely likely to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6256">TS</a>]
01:44:19 ◼ ► how they solve this problem for their own earbuds and and if they wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6259">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► offer a dongle they could do one very cheaply and it could be a very simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:27 ◼ ► device if they have that kind of setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6267">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► yes that sounds possible and that's one of the reasons I've seen people toss out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:33 ◼ ► a maybe they'll switch the iphone the USBC because i think part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6273">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► official USBC sits back is analog audio pass through on one of the pins or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:43 ◼ ► something like that I could be wrong but probably in lightning doesn't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6283">TS</a>]
01:44:47 ◼ ► but the difference is that Apple can change lightning whenever it wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6287">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► exactly and physics and they can so they can so easily say like well you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6291">TS</a>]
01:44:55 ◼ ► didn't need this part of the Lightning port on any previous phone because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6295">TS</a>]
01:44:59 ◼ ► all have headphone jacks that this one we've we've helped everyone out so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6299">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► think to me I think I guess my my final four now comment on on the headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:06 ◼ ► jack thing is like is there any reason i can come up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6306">TS</a>]
01:45:11 ◼ ► why this would be a positive thing for customers is obviously good for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6311">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► why is good for customers and I can come up with one reason and that would be if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:20 ◼ ► they replaced the space used by the headphone jack with another speaker and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6320">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► if they if by doing this they can dramatically improve the quality of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► built-in speaker output of the iphone because as I learn more about how people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:35 ◼ ► use iphone if you look like so I i do my own analytics and overcast of like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6335">TS</a>]
01:45:40 ◼ ► is the current output device type and the the Audio API is pretty coarse grain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6340">TS</a>]
01:45:45 ◼ ► on that but it can tell you whether its internal speaker or wire headphones or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6345">TS</a>]
01:45:49 ◼ ► bluetooth or airplay and that helps you figure out like UK you know well what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6349">TS</a>]
01:45:53 ◼ ► kind of features to work on next day so that's one of the reasons why did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6353">TS</a>]
01:45:55 ◼ ► the speaker optimized voice boost in in a recent version because I learned that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6355">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► tons of people use the iphone built-in speaker and I always have but I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:05 ◼ ► I was just like you know a weird freak work at home I didn't know anyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6365">TS</a>]
01:46:09 ◼ ► did but it turns out tons of people you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6369">TS</a>]
01:46:12 ◼ ► the iphone speaker all the time even though its large your battery doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6372">TS</a>]
01:46:16 ◼ ► everyone does it anyway and a lot of people do like in cars to play music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6376">TS</a>]
01:46:20 ◼ ► from their phone in the car that they don't have a better connection to a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6380">TS</a>]
01:46:22 ◼ ► of people do it around the house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6382">TS</a>]
01:46:24 ◼ ► I mean it's just it's so common so that's one of the reasons why I ended up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6384">TS</a>]
01:46:29 ◼ ► buying the new baby pro the new 9.7 inch iPad because it sounds so sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6389">TS</a>]
01:46:34 ◼ ► oh my god it's night and day I mean it's unbelievable and like I use it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6394">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► kitchen speaker most of the time you know plus a couch ipad and oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:41 ◼ ► it's massively different so what if they were able to do a large improvement to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6401">TS</a>]
01:46:47 ◼ ► the internal speaker of the iphone by replacing the headphone jack with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6407">TS</a>]
01:46:50 ◼ ► second speaker now like I like your thinking that sounds that sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6410">TS</a>]
01:46:54 ◼ ► compelling to me the only my only no hesitation on that is that the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6414">TS</a>]
01:46:59 ◼ ► they will do with the ipad is you know when you look at like how you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6419">TS</a>]
01:47:02 ◼ ► allocating space inside of a computing device these days these mobile modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6422">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► ultra-thin awesome devices you like to think oh well you know figure out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:12 ◼ ► component fill the space with battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6432">TS</a>]
01:47:14 ◼ ► the problem is batteries are really heavy so my theory is that you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6434">TS</a>]
01:47:20 ◼ ► you know we we talk about Apple pushing everything to be super thin everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6440">TS</a>]
01:47:23 ◼ ► and in some ways that goes too far like the map one keyboard but i think what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6443">TS</a>]
01:47:28 ◼ ► they really are doing is they're trying to target weight goal and the weight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6448">TS</a>]
01:47:31 ◼ ► goal is limited by how much how much battery you're willing to carry how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6451">TS</a>]
01:47:36 ◼ ► like how much battery willing to devote wait to and then you can just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6456">TS</a>]
01:47:40 ◼ ► shrink the enclosure around that and I what's the smallest enclosure we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6460">TS</a>]
01:47:44 ◼ ► make that fit only this amount of battery and nothing else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6464">TS</a>]
01:47:47 ◼ ► you know and with the ipad they've they've kind of reached this point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6467">TS</a>]
01:47:52 ◼ ► will the enclosure is thin flat thing and they basically can't make it a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6472">TS</a>]
01:47:57 ◼ ► thinner and keeping the same a battery and still have it be a flat back like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6477">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► they have to like kind of make it like a bulge with a battery sticks out kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:05 ◼ ► like the battery casing for the phone or you know something like that that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6485">TS</a>]
01:48:08 ◼ ► look dumb so that basically with the ipad they because of this like battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6488">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► wait trade-off been having a lot of extra space in the case so they spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:17 ◼ ► that extra space on big speaker cavities to like to like tunnel the sound and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6497">TS</a>]
01:48:22 ◼ ► make it sound better and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6502">TS</a>]
01:48:24 ◼ ► on the phone they don't have that kind of volume to spare so they might get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6504">TS</a>]
01:48:29 ◼ ► some of it with the headphone jack removal and that might be enough to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6509">TS</a>]
01:48:33 ◼ ► basically like double speaker we have now which would help that would be nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6513">TS</a>]
01:48:36 ◼ ► but in order to make a really big improvement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6516">TS</a>]
01:48:39 ◼ ► I feel like they would have to do like a like one of those four speakers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6519">TS</a>]
01:48:42 ◼ ► they have an iPad or like have any phones on that probably some android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6522">TS</a>]
01:48:45 ◼ ► phones on that like to have like a speaker on every corner basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6525">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► instead haha don't i don't think they would have to do that because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:53 ◼ ► although I guess when you watch the video it's always it is a little weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6533">TS</a>]
01:48:56 ◼ ► that that's sounds only coming out yes I mean I don't think if they did that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6536">TS</a>]
01:48:59 ◼ ► would be great but I just don't have enough space I think I don't be havin a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6539">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► free volume inside the phone to do that and it also raises the question of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:08 ◼ ► the idea of the notion of hey let's make the speaker's bottom let's use the space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6548">TS</a>]
01:49:12 ◼ ► on the bottom for the speakers and do it on both sides you have stereo well then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6552">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► why'd why not put this headphone back at the top where it used to be four years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:19 ◼ ► and four hit yes I mean I don't think I get the Mighty Mite most plausible most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6559">TS</a>]
01:49:26 ◼ ► optimistic version of this it well first of all my most optimistic version is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6566">TS</a>]
01:49:30 ◼ ► headphone jack doesn't go away but if it's gonna go away my most optimistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6570">TS</a>]
01:49:33 ◼ ► version of this that is plausible is that they're going to put a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/6573">TS</a>]
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02:00:29 ◼ ► noticeably faster like it i did haven't spent a day using it because i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7229">TS</a>]
02:00:36 ◼ ► have you know yeah but in the hands-on area for the president that I got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7236">TS</a>]
02:00:39 ◼ ► play with it you know it really feels like it a new hardware it's really kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7239">TS</a>]
02:00:44 ◼ ► of hard to believe that this is the same hardware as the old one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7244">TS</a>]
02:00:48 ◼ ► yeah i got to everybody see I got to play with it with underscore David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7248">TS</a>]
02:00:53 ◼ ► Smith's watch friend of a friend of the show my friend of david smith and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7253">TS</a>]
02:00:56 ◼ ► because you know because he's a big watching west developer here is good you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7256">TS</a>]
02:01:00 ◼ ► know a bunch of watch apps and so he had of course because he's incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7260">TS</a>]
02:01:03 ◼ ► productive and embarrasses all of us he had already built like to his apps for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7263">TS</a>]
02:01:08 ◼ ► the watch and like already had the complication stoneham like so he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7268">TS</a>]
02:01:11 ◼ ► showing me this is like I'm like tuesday or wednesday but if UDC like an amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7271">TS</a>]
02:01:18 ◼ ► yea and NEA is applied to like play with that you show me on his on his of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7278">TS</a>]
02:01:22 ◼ ► you had to watch it a second one the beta on because he's he's amazing and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7282">TS</a>]
02:01:29 ◼ ► really is real like it like it wasn't just PR wasn't just a presentation like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7289">TS</a>]
02:01:34 ◼ ► the games are really like it I I too was just get just as skeptical I was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7294">TS</a>]
02:01:39 ◼ ► I'll come on that's there's no way to get there faster reality and it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7299">TS</a>]
02:01:43 ◼ ► is a fascinating look it's not perfect like some of the animation still like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7303">TS</a>]
02:01:45 ◼ ► you know skip a little bit here and there you know it's it's still very slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7305">TS</a>]
02:01:49 ◼ ► hardware but it just seems like it was being it was being used very poorly in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7309">TS</a>]
02:01:54 ◼ ► watch us one until I thought you know the harlots there it you know it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7314">TS</a>]
02:01:59 ◼ ► it's still very slow and very rudimentary hardware but the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7319">TS</a>]
02:02:03 ◼ ► was seemingly making a lot of bad life choices before and now its writ they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7323">TS</a>]
02:02:08 ◼ ► really had a lot of all time and I mean you know I've been kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7328">TS</a>]
02:02:12 ◼ ► cool on the watch in recent months and I don't really wear it anymore but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7332">TS</a>]
02:02:18 ◼ ► like this is a huge of this is a way bigger update I'm Way more impressed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7338">TS</a>]
02:02:24 ◼ ► it than I thought I would be with you know whatever watching us three turn out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7344">TS</a>]
02:02:27 ◼ ► to be the summer I I was not expecting this big of an update and this big of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7347">TS</a>]
02:02:31 ◼ ► change and you know for them to to reconsider and rethink some of some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7351">TS</a>]
02:02:35 ◼ ► the design of the watch software environment and you need to get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7355">TS</a>]
02:02:38 ◼ ► the stupid friends for at least move it somewhere else and and to get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7358">TS</a>]
02:02:41 ◼ ► glances and to unify apps with glance of the weekend to make you know like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7361">TS</a>]
02:02:45 ◼ ► that stuff you know i-i've been thinking for a while like some of these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7365">TS</a>]
02:02:49 ◼ ► would be nice to do but they're not going to do it because they already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7369">TS</a>]
02:02:51 ◼ ► built this whole thing it's too late and turns out it wasn't too late and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7371">TS</a>]
02:02:55 ◼ ► change their mind they saw how to have things were actually used and is always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7375">TS</a>]
02:02:58 ◼ ► to make a better and that's great and as a developer of like I'm gonna I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7378">TS</a>]
02:03:05 ◼ ► you know at some point soon i don't know if i make it in time for day one but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7385">TS</a>]
02:03:08 ◼ ► gonna try because like my old watch app based on watch get one it was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7388">TS</a>]
02:03:14 ◼ ► it was just too slow too unreliable and i didn't i didn't upgrade to watch us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7394">TS</a>]
02:03:17 ◼ ► too because it was going to be a ton of work because it was watching us to was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7397">TS</a>]
02:03:22 ◼ ► not too different for user but it was very different for developers so is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7402">TS</a>]
02:03:26 ◼ ► it was gonna be a ton of work to do and the games were not really there so I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7406">TS</a>]
02:03:30 ◼ ► decided not to do it and because wait and see what os3 brought have sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7410">TS</a>]
02:03:35 ◼ ► i did because yeah os3 is a major major upgrade for users and developers and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7415">TS</a>]
02:03:40 ◼ ► it's possible to actually make decent absolute before even the best app you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7420">TS</a>]
02:03:45 ◼ ► could make for watching us 12 it was pretty mediocre to actually use now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7425">TS</a>]
02:03:50 ◼ ► actually possible to make good compelling apps for the watch and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7430">TS</a>]
02:03:53 ◼ ► still not easy and there's still plenty of limitations but it's at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7433">TS</a>]
02:03:57 ◼ ► possible and there there's good stuff to be done there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7437">TS</a>]
02:04:00 ◼ ► I can't think of anything else to compare to except maybe when Mac os10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7440">TS</a>]
02:04:03 ◼ ► first came out I know this predates you as a Mac user but Mac OS 10.0 was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7443">TS</a>]
02:04:09 ◼ ► dreadfully slow it was everything I mean like just clicking on a menu and having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7449">TS</a>]
02:04:15 ◼ ► the menu drop-down was slow because it just it they were what aqua was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7455">TS</a>]
02:04:21 ◼ ► what the user interface was doing was so far ahead of the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7461">TS</a>]
02:04:24 ◼ ► it was just slow and it was what made that so painful was one thing that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7464">TS</a>]
02:04:32 ◼ ► not a problem with the classic mac OS twas for lack of a better word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7472">TS</a>]
02:04:37 ◼ ► snappiness the UI there were lots of technical problems with the old Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7477">TS</a>]
02:04:41 ◼ ► but it was very snappy because and part of that was simply because it was so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7481">TS</a>]
02:04:46 ◼ ► behind the hardware because it was this OS you know the problems with the OS is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7486">TS</a>]
02:04:50 ◼ ► that it was had a low-level parts that dated to the you know eighties and here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7490">TS</a>]
02:04:56 ◼ ► we are running it on 2000-2001 power mac g4 three hardware the hardware was way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7496">TS</a>]
02:05:01 ◼ ► more powerful than what the the software was originally designed for and I made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7501">TS</a>]
02:05:05 ◼ ► it real fast and so you know most of us at the time were either dual booting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7505">TS</a>]
02:05:09 ◼ ► between the two for different tasks or we had lie i used to run a mac OS 9 on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7509">TS</a>]
02:05:15 ◼ ► my desktop and I'd have Mac os10 on my powerbook and it was so painful to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7515">TS</a>]
02:05:20 ◼ ► switch and 10.1 came out like five months later six months later something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7520">TS</a>]
02:05:26 ◼ ► like that like way less than a year later and was a pretty big improvement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7526">TS</a>]
02:05:30 ◼ ► it was still slow but it did obviously gotten a lot of low-hanging fruit out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7530">TS</a>]
02:05:34 ◼ ► the what's making this feel so slow but it was nowhere near as dramatic is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7534">TS</a>]
02:05:39 ◼ ► watch is 223 it was you know it was a nice improvement but it was really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7539">TS</a>]
02:05:44 ◼ ► a series of iterative improvements over like four years like as i recall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7544">TS</a>]
02:05:48 ◼ ► sometime around like 10.4 was when Mac os10 finally felt like okay this is may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7548">TS</a>]
02:05:54 ◼ ► not be fast yet but it's at least not slow i I'm trying to figure out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7554">TS</a>]
02:05:58 ◼ ► what is going on with watching us three how is this possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7558">TS</a>]
02:06:01 ◼ ► I mean I think I think factories explanation last week on the talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7561">TS</a>]
02:06:04 ◼ ► was was great which is like basically like many of the things that were making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7564">TS</a>]
02:06:09 ◼ ► watch us so slow before were just like extreme conservatism about how you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7569">TS</a>]
02:06:18 ◼ ► how how what apps can do what they can do what kind of background operations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7578">TS</a>]
02:06:23 ◼ ► that's one reason why they basically with watch us wanted to like every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7583">TS</a>]
02:06:27 ◼ ► you launch an app it was basically launching from scratch and it was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7587">TS</a>]
02:06:30 ◼ ► really able to do much if anything in the background in the meantime so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7590">TS</a>]
02:06:34 ◼ ► have to launch it that you have to wait for it to get new data because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7594">TS</a>]
02:06:37 ◼ ► it happens out of date and it was just it was just slow it was a pain and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7597">TS</a>]
02:06:41 ◼ ► you go and you try to launch it again like a few minutes later after the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7601">TS</a>]
02:06:45 ◼ ► turned off to save power you can launch it again like a few minutes later or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7605">TS</a>]
02:06:48 ◼ ► few seconds later and you'll be back to the clock face for the home screen is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7608">TS</a>]
02:06:51 ◼ ► go back to the app again or double-click on the on the on the button to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7611">TS</a>]
02:06:54 ◼ ► last used app or whatever and it was just it was way too aggressive about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7614">TS</a>]
02:06:59 ◼ ► kicking out of memory and about researching what they could do in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7619">TS</a>]
02:07:02 ◼ ► background and so and better explain it very well it's basically like this which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7622">TS</a>]
02:07:07 ◼ ► was basically like oh we had extra ram like we overshot our budget on manpower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7627">TS</a>]
02:07:10 ◼ ► and turns out you know the way people use the watch is different and it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7630">TS</a>]
02:07:14 ◼ ► better than we thought it would for preparing for a manpower so we spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7634">TS</a>]
02:07:17 ◼ ► some of it so you know that you know the watch now like with us three if you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7637">TS</a>]
02:07:23 ◼ ► you use any of these new features of having this app in the dock and having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7643">TS</a>]
02:07:26 ◼ ► them you know being updated more often especially put in complications and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7646">TS</a>]
02:07:29 ◼ ► cannot get a lot more often like you are going to get less battery life but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7649">TS</a>]
02:07:33 ◼ ► think they can you know like it when I wear the watch every day most days I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7653">TS</a>]
02:07:38 ◼ ► to bed and the battery be like fifty percent so I I you know I don't despair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7658">TS</a>]
02:07:42 ◼ ► little battery life to make the thing more useful to me I this I thought I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7662">TS</a>]
02:07:47 ◼ ► think that's all true and I again I think federal information was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7667">TS</a>]
02:07:50 ◼ ► interesting and I think very honest you know I think that being stingy with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7670">TS</a>]
02:07:54 ◼ ► rammus was you know probably very much true but strategically I here's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7674">TS</a>]
02:08:00 ◼ ► theory i think what we're seeing is that apple released the watch too early and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7680">TS</a>]
02:08:06 ◼ ► that this is what they should have launched with and that the it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7686">TS</a>]
02:08:11 ◼ ► process that they went through of having what we we know as watch us one and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7691">TS</a>]
02:08:17 ◼ ► watch us to was what they should have done in the past usually went through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7697">TS</a>]
02:08:22 ◼ ► internally before they got to okay this is good enough that they were probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7702">TS</a>]
02:08:27 ◼ ► like a version of the iphone that was every bit as crappy as the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7707">TS</a>]
02:08:32 ◼ ► experience of watching us one and maybe not even crappiness but maybe like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7712">TS</a>]
02:08:37 ◼ ► confusing nature of the the UI paradigm and add the convoluted pneus and like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7717">TS</a>]
02:08:43 ◼ ► there's like it they were like some yadda-yadda-yadda parts of it where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7723">TS</a>]
02:08:46 ◼ ► there's no real special thing it's like well you'd write you know these glasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7726">TS</a>]
02:08:50 ◼ ► drag him up and the apps are you know like behind the watch face you click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7730">TS</a>]
02:08:55 ◼ ► this button and you get to the apps and then they pop forward and apps the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7735">TS</a>]
02:08:58 ◼ ► glasses are sort of like a nap accept their limited but they're always there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7738">TS</a>]
02:09:01 ◼ ► and so why are they down what's why is this everything underneath i feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7741">TS</a>]
02:09:05 ◼ ► the everything probably goes through that and again any i have I always hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7745">TS</a>]
02:09:12 ◼ ► to bring out the you know Steve Jobs card but that one of his gifts was of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7752">TS</a>]
02:09:18 ◼ ► course he was great at motivating people to work really hard and ship things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7758">TS</a>]
02:09:21 ◼ ► ahead of their time but i also think that he had an uncanny ability to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7761">TS</a>]
02:09:27 ◼ ► saying not good enough not good enough even if it meant shipping years after he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7767">TS</a>]
02:09:33 ◼ ► yeah and you know and you know that you talked about earlier like with like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7773">TS</a>]
02:09:37 ◼ ► know Tim vs phil and everyone else for like product direction you know steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7777">TS</a>]
02:09:41 ◼ ► was the head of product direction you know he was like the chief editor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7781">TS</a>]
02:09:45 ◼ ► you know he he i think he played a large role in part in product choices and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7785">TS</a>]
02:09:50 ◼ ► direction and you can't have somebody like that just removed and gone forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7790">TS</a>]
02:09:57 ◼ ► and have things not change like that things are going to change and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7797">TS</a>]
02:10:01 ◼ ► always gonna be for the better and a lot of its gonna be better at any worse i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7801">TS</a>]
02:10:05 ◼ ► one of the things that changes like the role of like that product editing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7805">TS</a>]
02:10:09 ◼ ► product and the head of product direction has now apparently from what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7809">TS</a>]
02:10:13 ◼ ► we can tell been kind of split up between the people and the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7813">TS</a>]
02:10:16 ◼ ► understand the watch is kinda was kinda like a satellite project and it seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7816">TS</a>]
02:10:20 ◼ ► they were there was a lot about the watch it was kind of bizarre like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7820">TS</a>]
02:10:24 ◼ ► other likes they're like the weird creepy like stretchy face emoji and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7824">TS</a>]
02:10:28 ◼ ► the ring of friends you're supposed to like digitally touch i mean as the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7828">TS</a>]
02:10:31 ◼ ► thing was weird and and and again like some of the special things and and why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7831">TS</a>]
02:10:36 ◼ ► watchkit one was just so incredibly bad and i decided to shift that it does seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7836">TS</a>]
02:10:41 ◼ ► like that might have been partially because of this kind of split product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7841">TS</a>]
02:10:46 ◼ ► responsibility this is kind of relegated a satellite project or a skunkworks kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7846">TS</a>]
02:10:51 ◼ ► of thing you know not maybe not because it was like considered low priority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7851">TS</a>]
02:10:55 ◼ ► which is because it was like something new and everyone else is busy i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7855">TS</a>]
02:10:58 ◼ ► know i don't know the reason but it was clearly something from like a side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7858">TS</a>]
02:11:03 ◼ ► yeah and and it was kind it suffered a number of ways because of that and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7863">TS</a>]
02:11:07 ◼ ► seems like they've they've maybe realize like this was not as good as we wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7867">TS</a>]
02:11:12 ◼ ► it to be at first so let's let's fix it let's put some more into it let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7872">TS</a>]
02:11:15 ◼ ► actually fix it i think that they would have gotten to this point inevitably I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7875">TS</a>]
02:11:18 ◼ ► just think that it's almost like we've gotten an amazing behind-the-scenes look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7878">TS</a>]
02:11:21 ◼ ► at how Apple goes through designs you know and and iterates and it's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7881">TS</a>]
02:11:27 ◼ ► makes so much more sense it just a basic fundamental level and it works so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7887">TS</a>]
02:11:32 ◼ ► better after remember too that two years ago so two years ago at this point the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7892">TS</a>]
02:11:37 ◼ ► watch hadn't been announced yet it was announced in September two years ago but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7897">TS</a>]
02:11:42 ◼ ► it was rumored and at the time Apple was under an ordinate scrutiny for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7902">TS</a>]
02:11:49 ◼ ► can't innovate anymore because Steve Jobs isn't there and they haven't had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7909">TS</a>]
02:11:54 ◼ ► new product since the ipod or ipad in 2010 and now it's been forever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7914">TS</a>]
02:11:59 ◼ ► they're overdue for products so they were under tremendous scrutiny for hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7919">TS</a>]
02:12:05 ◼ ► how about you release in something new and show us that you can still amazes us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7925">TS</a>]
02:12:08 ◼ ► and I think part of that was pressure on Tim Cook the CEO and I think part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7928">TS</a>]
02:12:12 ◼ ► that was definitely pressure on Johnny I've as well let's see what Johnny I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7932">TS</a>]
02:12:16 ◼ ► do now that he doesn't have steve jobs and I ultimately we don't know who it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7936">TS</a>]
02:12:21 ◼ ► who got to say okay let's ship the watch this year we'll announce it in September [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7941">TS</a>]
02:12:26 ◼ ► and you know ship it sometime later probably next year I don't know who made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7946">TS</a>]
02:12:32 ◼ ► that decision that this is good enough to ship but I think in hindsight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7952">TS</a>]
02:12:35 ◼ ► especially now that we've seen watching us three it was clearly too soon i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7955">TS</a>]
02:12:39 ◼ ► that the watch should have been announced this year and I maybe I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7959">TS</a>]
02:12:43 ◼ ► wrong because two more years of where's you know how about a new product how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7963">TS</a>]
02:12:47 ◼ ► about a new product how about a new product maybe that would have been too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7967">TS</a>]
02:12:49 ◼ ► much to bear but I just feel like this really feels to me like what watch one . [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7969">TS</a>]
02:12:56 ◼ ► yeah no question I mean it's it there's it's still not perfect I mean nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7976">TS</a>]
02:13:02 ◼ ► ever is really but it it is such an improvement and to have suction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7982">TS</a>]
02:13:07 ◼ ► improvement you know after what is a relatively short time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7987">TS</a>]
02:13:12 ◼ ► really i mean heck the hardware is feeling pretty old this point we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7992">TS</a>]
02:13:17 ◼ ► but you know that they have this offer go from where it was last year to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/7997">TS</a>]
02:13:20 ◼ ► in one year is very impressive and but you know on the other side of that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8000">TS</a>]
02:13:25 ◼ ► do you think they actually would have reached this conclusion internally like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8005">TS</a>]
02:13:28 ◼ ► one of the things they can't do really internally is is learn what people will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8008">TS</a>]
02:13:33 ◼ ► do what developers will do with like how many apps will you use what will apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8013">TS</a>]
02:13:38 ◼ ► want to do what Apple one being compelling which apps won't and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8018">TS</a>]
02:13:42 ◼ ► kind of can't do that very well without just releasing it and seeing what the at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8022">TS</a>]
02:13:46 ◼ ► market and what the users actually do with it but there is a lot of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8026">TS</a>]
02:13:49 ◼ ► about like the initial release of the watch that you look at your like did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8029">TS</a>]
02:13:53 ◼ ► they test this much personally like like did they really think this was gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8033">TS</a>]
02:13:59 ◼ ► I don't know yeah some of the stuff that is in watch us three definitely wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8039">TS</a>]
02:14:03 ◼ ► have been there if they hadn't launched and observe what people really use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8043">TS</a>]
02:14:07 ◼ ► for and a big one is fitness tracking that an awful lot of Apple watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8047">TS</a>]
02:14:13 ◼ ► purchasers I think maybe they told me in a briefing with the percentages but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8053">TS</a>]
02:14:19 ◼ ► I don't know if it's public enough but a big percentage that they have found if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8059">TS</a>]
02:14:22 ◼ ► people buy it primarily as a fitness tracking device that it is just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8062">TS</a>]
02:14:26 ◼ ► one-to-one competitor with like a Fitbit or something like that and therefore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8066">TS</a>]
02:14:31 ◼ ► they really really focused on the fitness and activity tracking in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8071">TS</a>]
02:14:36 ◼ ► watching us 3i think that didn't the new default watch face it is the one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8076">TS</a>]
02:14:44 ◼ ► I think that's how big of a deal fitness tracking is that it's it's now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8084">TS</a>]
02:14:48 ◼ ► default watch face and once I mean if it you know when i used it i was all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8088">TS</a>]
02:14:54 ◼ ► the fitness rings and I you know if I cared less about watch face design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8094">TS</a>]
02:14:59 ◼ ► I would gladly say that is my home screen you know right now I'm just 2 i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8099">TS</a>]
02:15:03 ◼ ► just too much of a picky jerk to you want to use that but but a but thats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8103">TS</a>]
02:15:07 ◼ ► there too i mean there is in some ways apple is benefiting from you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8107">TS</a>]
02:15:11 ◼ ► release early and often you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8111">TS</a>]
02:15:14 ◼ ► and especially in the way I think the other thing we're seeing and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8114">TS</a>]
02:15:17 ◼ ► it's a I think it makes sense to me that software takes longer than hardware in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8117">TS</a>]
02:15:24 ◼ ► oh yeah easy especially like to design because it's e it's too nebulous there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8124">TS</a>]
02:15:30 ◼ ► too many it too much too many infinite possibilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8130">TS</a>]
02:15:34 ◼ ► it's the construct constraints of hardware like well look it has to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8134">TS</a>]
02:15:39 ◼ ► Johnny's made this design it has two can't be any bigger than this it has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8139">TS</a>]
02:15:42 ◼ ► be this small so that there's like a model that people with smaller wrists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8142">TS</a>]
02:15:45 ◼ ► and like women and children can wear without looking ridiculous and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8145">TS</a>]
02:15:51 ◼ ► it's the screen the the most energy-efficient screen we have is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8151">TS</a>]
02:15:55 ◼ ► to consume this much power and you know take all these constraints and figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8155">TS</a>]
02:15:59 ◼ ► out what the best thing is is almost it makes it faster to come up with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8159">TS</a>]
02:16:03 ◼ ► design than the infinite possibilities of software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8163">TS</a>]
02:16:06 ◼ ► yeah although to be fair I mean like you know they'd be attending as we're seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8166">TS</a>]
02:16:11 ◼ ► the apple watch hardware get somewhat long in the tooth now if you look around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8171">TS</a>]
02:16:15 ◼ ► the SmartWatch landscape you know it when the apple watch first came out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8175">TS</a>]
02:16:19 ◼ ► SmartWatch landscape looked pretty miserable that they were there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8179">TS</a>]
02:16:21 ◼ ► almost nothing else of value there was like on the low end you had pebble and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8181">TS</a>]
02:16:26 ◼ ► terrible watches are are basically that you know the the modern-day geeks quartz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8186">TS</a>]
02:16:30 ◼ ► watch so it's like you know it's it's not like that like you know high high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8190">TS</a>]
02:16:36 ◼ ► fashion it's it's not particularly glamorous or even graceful or even you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8196">TS</a>]
02:16:41 ◼ ► know necessarily even nice but it would serve a very useful purpose and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8201">TS</a>]
02:16:46 ◼ ► like a great utility and it looks like it but it was price like it too and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8206">TS</a>]
02:16:50 ◼ ► was fine and you don't like it for them I route I don't like people have bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8210">TS</a>]
02:16:54 ◼ ► one and i did not like it but I still root for them as a company because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8214">TS</a>]
02:16:58 ◼ ► really enjoy the fact that they have a very different set of priorities than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8218">TS</a>]
02:17:01 ◼ ► anybody else they're definitely appealing to nerds they're definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8221">TS</a>]
02:17:05 ◼ ► appealing to people and you know it who want to get notifications from apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8225">TS</a>]
02:17:08 ◼ ► stuff but they they value practicality above anything else to a ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8228">TS</a>]
02:17:13 ◼ ► degree and that very different than apple and and there and also I i gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8233">TS</a>]
02:17:17 ◼ ► give them credit their pricing is really low for what you're getting with it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8237">TS</a>]
02:17:20 ◼ ► very good value and then you know we had that and then we had like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8240">TS</a>]
02:17:24 ◼ ► initial batch of Android wear watches which was just horrible like they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8244">TS</a>]
02:17:28 ◼ ► the worst but that was now you know what almost two years ago they've moved on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8248">TS</a>]
02:17:36 ◼ ► I I still there still not my style but I really respect the progress they've made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8256">TS</a>]
02:17:40 ◼ ► in that time and the android wear watches like I I'm now seeing android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8260">TS</a>]
02:17:44 ◼ ► wear watches in person like in in the world like around and occasionally like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8264">TS</a>]
02:17:49 ◼ ► i'll be somewhere like I was I was getting my windshield replaced thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8269">TS</a>]
02:17:53 ◼ ► highway rocks and and the the service guy was talking to a head injury where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8273">TS</a>]
02:17:57 ◼ ► I'm like what is that watch and i asked my batter and it was I forget but when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8277">TS</a>]
02:18:00 ◼ ► he said it was it was is the is the LG or bane of things that are having watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8280">TS</a>]
02:18:05 ◼ ► it might have been that one that stuck in my head for some reason but like I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8285">TS</a>]
02:18:09 ◼ ► seen now a number of Android wear smartwatches in person that look decent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8289">TS</a>]
02:18:15 ◼ ► they're all pretty big for me but they still they look decent and they I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8295">TS</a>]
02:18:22 ◼ ► they might even look more modern than the apple watch possibly just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8302">TS</a>]
02:18:26 ◼ ► like it's it's fresher look you know again you know just like with the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8306">TS</a>]
02:18:30 ◼ ► pro Holly you know Apple set the bar for this is going to be the future is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8310">TS</a>]
02:18:34 ◼ ► be all this GPU power then they just didn't follow through with the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8314">TS</a>]
02:18:38 ◼ ► watch that they said a big barn fashion and to have this this object that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8318">TS</a>]
02:18:42 ◼ ► supposed to be like this this fashionable accessory that you wear and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8322">TS</a>]
02:18:47 ◼ ► then to not update the hardware for a long time is a i don't know that i worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8327">TS</a>]
02:18:53 ◼ ► about that but the apple watch but I think it'll be alright in a long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8333">TS</a>]
02:18:56 ◼ ► yeah anyway I think we're seeing a pattern that repeated that that started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8336">TS</a>]
02:19:00 ◼ ► with the original iphone we're so the iphone 3g did come out a year after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8340">TS</a>]
02:19:06 ◼ ► original iphone but it was barely an upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8346">TS</a>]
02:19:09 ◼ ► I mean it was really just the 3g and i always forget there's something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8349">TS</a>]
02:19:13 ◼ ► maybe it was like gps a gps yeah yeah so it wasn't just the 3g but the 3g is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8353">TS</a>]
02:19:18 ◼ ► one that affected me on a daily basis like I just remember thinking like wow I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8358">TS</a>]
02:19:23 ◼ ► really hate the way this field this phone feels compared to my old one but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8363">TS</a>]
02:19:26 ◼ ► oh my god 3gs so much better than edge but otherwise they really didn't didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8366">TS</a>]
02:19:31 ◼ ► get like a performance upgrade until the 3gs two years later and it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8371">TS</a>]
02:19:34 ◼ ► it's looking like the performance series performance upgrade for the watch will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8374">TS</a>]
02:19:38 ◼ ► come two years after after the announcement a year and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8378">TS</a>]
02:19:41 ◼ ► after it was after was released I think ultimately what the apple watch needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8381">TS</a>]
02:19:48 ◼ ► from the beginning and and we're seeing some of that now with us three and we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8388">TS</a>]
02:19:51 ◼ ► see what happens in on the harbourside what needed from the beginning was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8391">TS</a>]
02:19:55 ◼ ► like focus and editing you know like at the beginning it was like all i can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8395">TS</a>]
02:19:58 ◼ ► all these different things and we have this crazy gold version the other number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8398">TS</a>]
02:20:02 ◼ ► of like rough edges that send it off you know as the product found his place in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8402">TS</a>]
02:20:06 ◼ ► the market I think they like I don't know that I mean I you know you and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8406">TS</a>]
02:20:12 ◼ ► are are both watch nerds also and I i'm not sure that the right formula for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8412">TS</a>]
02:20:19 ◼ ► something that's supposed to be a mass-market watch is to have everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8419">TS</a>]
02:20:24 ◼ ► wearing the same shape the same looking rectangle with different bands like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8424">TS</a>]
02:20:29 ◼ ► physically i think there needs to be more variety in the physical attributes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8429">TS</a>]
02:20:35 ◼ ► of the watch itself for that to succeed in that way if they want to and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8435">TS</a>]
02:20:39 ◼ ► might not have a chance like that that you know fashion and watch nerds might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8439">TS</a>]
02:20:43 ◼ ► just move too quickly or be too picky or you know that it just might not work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8443">TS</a>]
02:20:48 ◼ ► them but if they're gonna go for that like high-end or even middle even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8448">TS</a>]
02:20:53 ◼ ► mid-range fashionable angle for this it needs more variety in the actual watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8453">TS</a>]
02:20:58 ◼ ► body i don't and that requires a different kind of software focus that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8458">TS</a>]
02:21:02 ◼ ► they're not taking so i'm guessing not going that direction but like yeah there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8462">TS</a>]
02:21:05 ◼ ► doesn't seem to be anything about us three that would be a hint at a circular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8465">TS</a>]
02:21:08 ◼ ► face for example or even just like you know maybe have maybe have like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8468">TS</a>]
02:21:12 ◼ ► passive mode or some Orion we're always trying on screen or may have maybe have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8472">TS</a>]
02:21:17 ◼ ► some that are maybe not round but like maybe have like a thin model that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8477">TS</a>]
02:21:21 ◼ ► doesn't have the heart rate tracker on the back for people who don't want that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8481">TS</a>]
02:21:24 ◼ ► but want you know address your version or something like it had just having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8484">TS</a>]
02:21:28 ◼ ► more harder variety because like bands are nice and they do make amazing bands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8488">TS</a>]
02:21:32 ◼ ► overall apples watch bands are excellent and some of them like the link bracelet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8492">TS</a>]
02:21:37 ◼ ► i think i've never seen anything better than that in and the other hand there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8497">TS</a>]
02:21:40 ◼ ► the watch world but still like the they're still like you're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8500">TS</a>]
02:21:44 ◼ ► basically everyone's wearing the same watch and when it comes to fashion the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8504">TS</a>]
02:21:48 ◼ ► one thing I don't know a lot about fashion but the one thing I do know is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8508">TS</a>]
02:21:52 ◼ ► that you don't want to be wearing literally the exact same thing everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8512">TS</a>]
02:21:55 ◼ ► yeah if you want some kind of variety there some kind of individuality and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8515">TS</a>]
02:22:00 ◼ ► putting on a different bands on enough that that's that helps it's better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8520">TS</a>]
02:22:04 ◼ ► while at WWDC i added a very enjoyable afternoon with the cgpgrey I good friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8524">TS</a>]
02:22:13 ◼ ► of yours because enigma I was it was funny and board would talk i was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8533">TS</a>]
02:22:19 ◼ ► to bring up coffee but we met we started with coffee and we met at blue bottle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8539">TS</a>]
02:22:22 ◼ ► and it was very very fun excited I didn't know what he looked like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8542">TS</a>]
02:22:27 ◼ ► it's like we was i go about blue bottle i'll meet you there I need coffee music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8547">TS</a>]
02:22:30 ◼ ► I need coffee too so I got there and it's right as i got to the line and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8550">TS</a>]
02:22:38 ◼ ► I mean like long even by bluebottle standards they got it I got a DM from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8558">TS</a>]
02:22:41 ◼ ► gray that just said no man should stand on the line this long and I turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8561">TS</a>]
02:22:46 ◼ ► around and there he was uh it was exquisitely pulled it was an amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8566">TS</a>]
02:22:50 ◼ ► introduction because he time the text and I soon as I turned around there he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8570">TS</a>]
02:22:54 ◼ ► was and I just said yeah this sucks let's go to Pete's and he's like fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8574">TS</a>]
02:22:59 ◼ ► and we just walked over to the guy I can't even tell you during WC how often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8579">TS</a>]
02:23:03 ◼ ► that happens I like blue bottle but I don't like blue bottle wait half an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8583">TS</a>]
02:23:08 ◼ ► in line and then wait another 10 minutes for the trip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8588">TS</a>]
02:23:11 ◼ ► no it's it is good coffee but it's not that good it isn't good enough to wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8591">TS</a>]
02:23:14 ◼ ► on that line so we got a manure there with me that the day the keynote we went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8594">TS</a>]
02:23:19 ◼ ► to phil's philsie under- pronounce it and it just feels I liked it honestly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8599">TS</a>]
02:23:23 ◼ ► i had di had a good cup of coffee there I i would say that was the best cup of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8603">TS</a>]
02:23:28 ◼ ► well I also like their system where you don't just order and then it goes in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8608">TS</a>]
02:23:32 ◼ ► queue it's like you wait for a barista to become available and and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8612">TS</a>]
02:23:37 ◼ ► place your order and then they make your i always get trip coffee and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8617">TS</a>]
02:23:41 ◼ ► yeah they make your drip coffee and it takes like two or three minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8621">TS</a>]
02:23:44 ◼ ► I got worried because I i skipped out of the keynote about 20 minutes before it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8624">TS</a>]
02:23:48 ◼ ► started because they ran out they didn't like 10 you can really wear you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8628">TS</a>]
02:23:53 ◼ ► know I was there plenty i was there with a couple minutes to spare so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8633">TS</a>]
02:23:56 ◼ ► happened is I got to the bill graham center at like nine oh five in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8636">TS</a>]
02:24:01 ◼ ► morning and i think they let people in before nine o'clock that press people at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8641">TS</a>]
02:24:05 ◼ ► and I got there like 905 9-10 i said hello i saw some people I knew and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8645">TS</a>]
02:24:10 ◼ ► apple PR people instead of you know hello went over to the coffee and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8650">TS</a>]
02:24:14 ◼ ► it was all get going it's like 9-10 and I was like what the hell's going on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8654">TS</a>]
02:24:19 ◼ ► when I found a seat and I'm granted if that was the same coffee they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8659">TS</a>]
02:24:24 ◼ ► serving outside the line they were doing you a favor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8664">TS</a>]
02:24:27 ◼ ► I guess because it probably was the same coffee I I it it just threw me off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8667">TS</a>]
02:24:32 ◼ ► because my normal my normal way is to go to blue bottle i would end then go with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8672">TS</a>]
02:24:37 ◼ ► my blue ball and go to Moscow it used to be a Moscow knee and then go say hi to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8677">TS</a>]
02:24:42 ◼ ► all my friends were waiting in line for the you know why i've done it to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8682">TS</a>]
02:24:47 ◼ ► yes every year i I've got your waiting in line and you've been up since like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8687">TS</a>]
02:24:52 ◼ ► five in the morning and i just woke up and I have delicious coffee and i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8692">TS</a>]
02:24:55 ◼ ► going to use a magic press pass to go right to the front of the line and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8695">TS</a>]
02:24:58 ◼ ► in and get a front-row seat and I've always enjoyed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8698">TS</a>]
02:25:02 ◼ ► well I didn't know what to do this time i wanted to get how to get a cab to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8702">TS</a>]
02:25:05 ◼ ► to the bill i didn't have to get a cab but you know to get there soon as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8705">TS</a>]
02:25:08 ◼ ► could I wanted to get there so anyway 20 / so i told them i was like screw this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8708">TS</a>]
02:25:12 ◼ ► i'm gonna go find coffee so I ran out of the building and find the philsie about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8712">TS</a>]
02:25:18 ◼ ► Todd and I didn't know I didn't know anything about Phil's eat but heard good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8718">TS</a>]
02:25:22 ◼ ► things but i would just wanted to drip coffee and Ben wanted one too so Ben [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8722">TS</a>]
02:25:26 ◼ ► didn't have the guts to go he just said get me one and I saw that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8726">TS</a>]
02:25:31 ◼ ► going to make it pour over and that they didn't have like pre-made coffee that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8731">TS</a>]
02:25:35 ◼ ► they could just pour into a cup for me and I thought oh this at you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8735">TS</a>]
02:25:39 ◼ ► bluebottle this would take too long and miss the opening of the key nice how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8739">TS</a>]
02:25:41 ◼ ► long this is gonna take it because I just two or three minutes and two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8741">TS</a>]
02:25:45 ◼ ► minutes later I had my two coffees and I was out the door I I i had a i was i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8745">TS</a>]
02:25:54 ◼ ► federico Tiki I like the night before and and you know he's he's really into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8754">TS</a>]
02:25:58 ◼ ► he's Italian 41 and he's really into coffee and so I had to have my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8758">TS</a>]
02:26:05 ◼ ► coffee with federico partici as the crappy coffee in the line at bill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8765">TS</a>]
02:26:10 ◼ ► grandpa and I was like I'm so I was I mean I'm so sorry I'm like we shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8770">TS</a>]
02:26:14 ◼ ► really drink this like pleased and to have that be the first coffee that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8774">TS</a>]
02:26:19 ◼ ► gravity she is just heartbreak criminal and so fortunately we went with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8779">TS</a>]
02:26:24 ◼ ► after the keynote we met you outside when are you and we went back to meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8784">TS</a>]
02:26:26 ◼ ► them and got better call their busy we wanted yeah right yeah sorry Phil yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8786">TS</a>]
02:26:31 ◼ ► it and that was so much better I feel like that made up for it like I i I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8791">TS</a>]
02:26:35 ◼ ► just gonna forget about the urn coffee that we had in the line and just hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8795">TS</a>]
02:26:41 ◼ ► nobody got a picture of it and it was such a shame but but you know the phils [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8801">TS</a>]
02:26:47 ◼ ► philsie actually made up for it like that was really good coffee and I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8807">TS</a>]
02:26:51 ◼ ► that for the line going back in the state of the union and I was like I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8811">TS</a>]
02:26:54 ◼ ► like that was like the forgiveness for the morning I kind of can't believe how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8814">TS</a>]
02:26:57 ◼ ► honest is their system is like you go to a barista you wait you wait till briefs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8817">TS</a>]
02:27:03 ◼ ► to cause you and it's sort of like a barbershop system where you wait in line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8823">TS</a>]
02:27:06 ◼ ► until a priestess ok I'm ready next and then you go to the barista they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8826">TS</a>]
02:27:11 ◼ ► whatever you ordered then they call your name when it's ready and they give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8831">TS</a>]
02:27:14 ◼ ► the drink you haven't paid for anything yet they just give you the drink and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8834">TS</a>]
02:27:17 ◼ ► then you are it's just on you to go over to run the register is which is separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8837">TS</a>]
02:27:21 ◼ ► and then just tell them what's in the cup and then you pay what you owe them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8841">TS</a>]
02:27:25 ◼ ► it-it-it i am glad because it seems like it makes it very efficient but it's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8845">TS</a>]
02:27:30 ◼ ► seems to rely on you know the honor policy to a degree that you don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8850">TS</a>]
02:27:34 ◼ ► see in retail places i'm also i'm curious to hear if you get any flack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8854">TS</a>]
02:27:40 ◼ ► Phil's on this episode because when I tweeted a few be a few days back that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8860">TS</a>]
02:27:45 ◼ ► fills was the best cup of coffee i had in San Francisco that week I got a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8865">TS</a>]
02:27:50 ◼ ► of responses that seemed to indicate this is not a widespread opinion and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8870">TS</a>]
02:27:55 ◼ ► that apparently Phil's look down upon by a lot of coffee snobs in san francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8875">TS</a>]
02:27:59 ◼ ► and I you know I gotta say I mean I only had one cup of coffee because it was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8879">TS</a>]
02:28:04 ◼ ► it was only near program i don't think there's one presently where we were so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8884">TS</a>]
02:28:08 ◼ ► don't think so either i only had the one cup there but that one cup was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8888">TS</a>]
02:28:12 ◼ ► definitely way better than what I had a bluebottle what I had in other places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8892">TS</a>]
02:28:18 ◼ ► I'm not and I'm not I don't have the fine palate that you do but i had 1i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8898">TS</a>]
02:28:22 ◼ ► think i only had one blue bottle this weekend it was good but the combined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8902">TS</a>]
02:28:26 ◼ ► experience was worse because even in the best-case scenario to wait so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8906">TS</a>]
02:28:30 ◼ ► right i have never gone to blue bottle and templates going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8910">TS</a>]
02:28:33 ◼ ► decided you know what that was worth it because it's like I I always knew I try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8913">TS</a>]
02:28:37 ◼ ► to go i try to go before before going to the first session at Moscone and so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8917">TS</a>]
02:28:41 ◼ ► I'm I'm in kind of a rush and I never I never leave enough time I wake up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8921">TS</a>]
02:28:46 ◼ ► morning because he wants to wake up earlier than you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8926">TS</a>]
02:28:48 ◼ ► so you know it's really not us it's like my go-to while there's a huge line of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8928">TS</a>]
02:28:54 ◼ ► I wait in the line I wait wait wait eventually i get the coffee after way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8934">TS</a>]
02:28:58 ◼ ► too long i'm sitting there and then I'd like you know sunk cost fallacy halfway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8938">TS</a>]
02:29:01 ◼ ► through the line like God I really this is I'm going to be late to the session [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8941">TS</a>]
02:29:04 ◼ ► we missed the first 20 minutes of it if I win this line but I've already waited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8944">TS</a>]
02:29:08 ◼ ► on the line for the last 15 minutes and it seems like i'm getting close to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8948">TS</a>]
02:29:11 ◼ ► beginning you know so although all those fallacies and and stresses finally got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8951">TS</a>]
02:29:15 ◼ ► the coffee and then i have a problem on my hands because now I have this huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8955">TS</a>]
02:29:20 ◼ ► full cup of very very hot liquid they don't double cup they're the best you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8960">TS</a>]
02:29:25 ◼ ► could and they don't have a little jackets the best you can do is wrap a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8965">TS</a>]
02:29:28 ◼ ► napkin around to just try to insulate your hand from this scorching hot cup of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8968">TS</a>]
02:29:32 ◼ ► coffee that like outside Britain not have to walk from there to Moscow any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8972">TS</a>]
02:29:36 ◼ ► which is you know a medium walk a few blocks trying to split coffee on my hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8976">TS</a>]
02:29:42 ◼ ► or anywhere else as I'm walking with it but it's way too hot to begin drinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8982">TS</a>]
02:29:45 ◼ ► then I finally get the Moscone and I have again this giant cup of hot liquid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8985">TS</a>]
02:29:49 ◼ ► that I have to just like still be carrying with me in doing something with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8989">TS</a>]
02:29:52 ◼ ► until I find go into a session at which point there's nowhere to put it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8992">TS</a>]
02:29:56 ◼ ► session you can put on the floor but that's a big risk getting kicked over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/8996">TS</a>]
02:30:00 ◼ ► and they don't want to be that guy spilled hot coffee on the rug in Moscow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9000">TS</a>]
02:30:03 ◼ ► knee so like you're basically like holding this thing for like the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9003">TS</a>]
02:30:07 ◼ ► half hour as it cools down to a drinkable temperature and then you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9007">TS</a>]
02:30:11 ◼ ► this giant cup of coffee you basically have to finish and usually that's too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9011">TS</a>]
02:30:15 ◼ ► much caffeine for me even even their small size usually only two-thirds of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9015">TS</a>]
02:30:18 ◼ ► but i feel kind of pressured to finish the whole thing is like why I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9018">TS</a>]
02:30:21 ◼ ► nowhere to put this then I'm like buzzer the holders that it's just every time i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9021">TS</a>]
02:30:26 ◼ ► say you know what that wasn't worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9026">TS</a>]
02:30:28 ◼ ► next time I should just either like you know grab an espresso somewhere no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9028">TS</a>]
02:30:32 ◼ ► anywhere anywhere can serve a reasonable espresso in that area like just grab a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9032">TS</a>]
02:30:36 ◼ ► quick espresso or just tolerate the moscone coffee or just drink tea every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9036">TS</a>]
02:30:40 ◼ ► time I i think that and every time I forget to do with the next time you they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9040">TS</a>]
02:30:46 ◼ ► in Brady always talking about the hot stoppers is never the column [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9046">TS</a>]
02:30:49 ◼ ► yeah that would solve one of those problems all the travel problem yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9049">TS</a>]
02:30:53 ◼ ► though is that sells gives out hot stoppers because there was I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9053">TS</a>]
02:30:56 ◼ ► kind of jog back from Phil's to the keynote with two coffees and so without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9056">TS</a>]
02:31:01 ◼ ► hot stop reside my I would have too mangled scarred hands anyway but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9061">TS</a>]
02:31:07 ◼ ► would have a coffee though the whole reason I brought always reminded to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9067">TS</a>]
02:31:10 ◼ ► dimension gray was I know one of his pet Bugaboos with the watches he wants a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9070">TS</a>]
02:31:17 ◼ ► yeah I would love that I broke it to him and I'm gonna break it to you that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9077">TS</a>]
02:31:21 ◼ ► is never going to happen is not going to happen and it's going to make sense to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9081">TS</a>]
02:31:26 ◼ ► you and it made sense to gray but it's this weird crevasse that apple and only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9086">TS</a>]
02:31:31 ◼ ► apple is in in the SmartWatch world where they do fancy themselves to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9091">TS</a>]
02:31:37 ◼ ► real watch company and as a real watch company they have there's certain things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9097">TS</a>]
02:31:43 ◼ ► that everything anything that you can see is always going to be San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9103">TS</a>]
02:31:47 ◼ ► now they could maybe enforce that for third parties possibly any analog dial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9107">TS</a>]
02:31:53 ◼ ► is going to use those those hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9113">TS</a>]
02:31:56 ◼ ► that's the apple style of watch hands at the big ovals those I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9116">TS</a>]
02:32:00 ◼ ► you call them but those big ovals the capsule shaped is there are they to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9120">TS</a>]
02:32:05 ◼ ► are terrible yeah yeah and you know and in the real world high-end watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9125">TS</a>]
02:32:11 ◼ ► companies typically have things like that like the hands on a Rolex all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9131">TS</a>]
02:32:16 ◼ ► they're not all identical that maybe like two or three different styles of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9136">TS</a>]
02:32:19 ◼ ► rolex hands but they're all Rolexes are have hands that are instantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9139">TS</a>]
02:32:23 ◼ ► recognizable as rolex hands together kind of like a native family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9143">TS</a>]
02:32:27 ◼ ► yep in our family and the dials are all unmistakeably Rowling's style dials and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9147">TS</a>]
02:32:34 ◼ ► it and insert name of your favorite high-end watch company here and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9154">TS</a>]
02:32:39 ◼ ► things are true for all of them because anybody if it wasn't true for them they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9159">TS</a>]
02:32:42 ◼ ► wouldn't be a high-end watch company and apple fancies itself a high-end watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9162">TS</a>]
02:32:46 ◼ ► company and therefore there and if you look at all of the dials there other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9166">TS</a>]
02:32:50 ◼ ► than the Mickey one which is sort of an exception [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9170">TS</a>]
02:32:52 ◼ ► the Mickey ones are a little different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9172">TS</a>]
02:32:55 ◼ ► I there-there unmistakeably Apple watch e there's an apple watching this to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9175">TS</a>]
02:33:01 ◼ ► of their analog ones and the the digital ones too and they're so therefore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9181">TS</a>]
02:33:05 ◼ ► there's no way they're going to open that up to third parties and have people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9185">TS</a>]
02:33:08 ◼ ► making you know watches that look like I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9188">TS</a>]
02:33:12 ◼ ► omegas or something like that yeah like that's ever gonna happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9192">TS</a>]
02:33:15 ◼ ► there's so many probably I mean there's there's the intellectual property [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9195">TS</a>]
02:33:18 ◼ ► infringement problem of land and if you look at other SmartWatch platforms you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9198">TS</a>]
02:33:22 ◼ ► know pebble android like they do have this problem where their comparative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9202">TS</a>]
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02:33:30 ◼ ► copyright and trademark infringement all over the place like it's a mess and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9210">TS</a>]
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02:33:45 ◼ ► to control the face app and they could overcome these barriers if they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9225">TS</a>]
02:33:50 ◼ ► wanted to they could make like you know basically like a watch face kit and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9230">TS</a>]
02:33:55 ◼ ► know have you kind of like supply them so certain custom behaviors are certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9235">TS</a>]
02:33:59 ◼ ► graphics or whatever else and but have them kind of still run the code like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9239">TS</a>]
02:34:02 ◼ ► they could do a system with that if they wanted to but I think they don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9242">TS</a>]
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02:34:17 ◼ ► like watch face design critic nerd like I I'd nitpick every watch face I see and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9257">TS</a>]
02:34:23 ◼ ► there are very few that i'm happy with and even once I'm happy with I'm usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9263">TS</a>]
02:34:27 ◼ ► like only mostly happy with because I'm that kind of nerd and I think you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9267">TS</a>]
02:34:32 ◼ ► probably similar in there / that is that safety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9272">TS</a>]
02:34:34 ◼ ► yeah there's watches that I like except I find if I find that the hour hand is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9274">TS</a>]
02:34:39 ◼ ► just too close to the size of the minute hand i tell ya i mean like yeah because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9279">TS</a>]
02:34:44 ◼ ► though that's definitely that's legitimate that impacts legibility of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9284">TS</a>]
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02:34:52 ◼ ► there's it it's there there's no confusion but to me it just looks on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9292">TS</a>]
02:34:57 ◼ ► right i mean being proportion and I've I mean I'm in trouble with watch faces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9297">TS</a>]
02:35:01 ◼ ► because I've been affected by our I've been bitten by the like getting annoyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9301">TS</a>]
02:35:06 ◼ ► by poor placement of date windows bug where there's like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9306">TS</a>]
02:35:11 ◼ ► dislike designed virus destroying the watch industry right now because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9311">TS</a>]
02:35:14 ◼ ► everyone's putting date with a little place because it turns out most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9314">TS</a>]
02:35:17 ◼ ► who buy a watch want to have the date on it somewhere and so you have to kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9317">TS</a>]
02:35:21 ◼ ► like shove it somewhere on the dial and there's lots of easy but bad places to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9321">TS</a>]
02:35:26 ◼ ► do it like i will just cut the 3 in half and kind of stick it there or we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9326">TS</a>]
02:35:30 ◼ ► going to get diagonally between the four of the five minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9330">TS</a>]
02:35:33 ◼ ► oh just look so bad I i'm picky about things like that but the date the date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9333">TS</a>]
02:35:39 ◼ ► complication in particular you open my eyes to the fact that there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9339">TS</a>]
02:35:43 ◼ ► watches coming outwards in a bad place and then once you start looking for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9343">TS</a>]
02:35:46 ◼ ► you see it and I think one of the reasons why is the the so many watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9346">TS</a>]
02:35:52 ◼ ► don't make their own movements and so they're using like indeed ETA movement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9352">TS</a>]
02:35:57 ◼ ► or the japanese company now that now that ETA isn't really short selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9357">TS</a>]
02:36:02 ◼ ► their movements on the open market but if you're limited by the what you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9362">TS</a>]
02:36:07 ◼ ► to the standard movement you're limited in certain ways to wear the day can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9367">TS</a>]
02:36:11 ◼ ► and all of a sudden it just sticks out like well they had to they didn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9371">TS</a>]
02:36:14 ◼ ► to put the date there but they had to and you can just see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9374">TS</a>]
02:36:17 ◼ ► yeah bothers me so many so many otherwise great watch face designs are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9377">TS</a>]
02:36:23 ◼ ► ruined by a bad date window there anything else you wanted to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9383">TS</a>]
02:36:27 ◼ ► this week what else you haven't list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9387">TS</a>]
02:36:28 ◼ ► I mean we've definitely lost all the listeners talking about watch design so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9388">TS</a>]
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02:36:38 ◼ ► listeners during the last five minutes then you lose me talk about baseball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9398">TS</a>]
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02:36:48 ◼ ► don't talk about what about this car shifter thing you see that I i know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9408">TS</a>]
02:36:54 ◼ ► story I i know the whole recall thing I haven't actually seen the shifter but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9414">TS</a>]
02:36:58 ◼ ► I saw like the anecdotes of like that the complaint people had filed about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9418">TS</a>]
02:37:02 ◼ ► like you know this this exact model of car we know something that seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9422">TS</a>]
02:37:06 ◼ ► this it started rolling backwards when I got out because I thought it was in park [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9426">TS</a>]
02:37:11 ◼ ► said shift into neutral or so I've never seen a car like this before I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9431">TS</a>]
02:37:14 ◼ ► don't find myself a new cars all that often but it so that the card so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9434">TS</a>]
02:37:19 ◼ ► terrible traffic picture of it this in Anton Yelchin the guy who played check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9439">TS</a>]
02:37:24 ◼ ► off in the new star trek movies died that terrible freak accident where is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9444">TS</a>]
02:37:27 ◼ ► his jeep cherokee he got out of it he thought he had it in park [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9447">TS</a>]
02:37:32 ◼ ► apparently got out of it and it was in either a neutral reverse and ran down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9452">TS</a>]
02:37:37 ◼ ► the hill and pin them against the zone gave me a got killed the design of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9457">TS</a>]
02:37:41 ◼ ► shifter is so bad it just goes up and down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9461">TS</a>]
02:37:44 ◼ ► it's like I like to think of it like a paddle shifter yeah like wearing like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9464">TS</a>]
02:37:48 ◼ ► different mode just kind of like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9468">TS</a>]
02:37:49 ◼ ► up up down down i kinda yeah it's it's exactly it's like thinking of like it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9469">TS</a>]
02:37:54 ◼ ► it's like you just hit up three times to put in part but if you hit up two times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9474">TS</a>]
02:37:58 ◼ ► you're in neutral or maybe it's like how hard you press it or something but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9478">TS</a>]
02:38:01 ◼ ► you're not actually moving it and clicking into these positions like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9481">TS</a>]
02:38:05 ◼ ► do on a traditional on and so it's so easy i just cannot believe that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9485">TS</a>]
02:38:09 ◼ ► design shift because I I think you I would see what a problem this design is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9489">TS</a>]
02:38:15 ◼ ► even without having the benefit of this tragic news story to put it in context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9495">TS</a>]
02:38:20 ◼ ► because it just seems to me like this is the design where you have to be paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9500">TS</a>]
02:38:24 ◼ ► very close attention to the indicator light of what gear on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9504">TS</a>]
02:38:27 ◼ ► whereas with the traditional one you don't even I don't even look I just hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9507">TS</a>]
02:38:32 ◼ ► the brake push all the way up and i know i'm in park [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9512">TS</a>]
02:38:35 ◼ ► I get absolutely with a hundred percent certainty put my car into park every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9515">TS</a>]
02:38:40 ◼ ► blindfolded right i mean this is and this is that you know i think i've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9520">TS</a>]
02:38:45 ◼ ► a lot of cars reason especially higher-end cars and newer cars a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9525">TS</a>]
02:38:50 ◼ ► a lot of the makers are kind of playing with the shifter lever and redesign them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9530">TS</a>]
02:38:53 ◼ ► in different ways to make them like you know electronically-controlled sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9533">TS</a>]
02:38:56 ◼ ► like a direct kind of linkage and I apologize in advance to John circles i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9536">TS</a>]
02:39:01 ◼ ► getting this wrong cuz he's way more Carter than i am but basically like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9541">TS</a>]
02:39:06 ◼ ► everyone is kinda like messing with the shifter design and and the and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9546">TS</a>]
02:39:08 ◼ ► parking brake designs and there's so many of them are electronic now so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9548">TS</a>]
02:39:12 ◼ ► have these weird controls that are you know of poor design the the good ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9552">TS</a>]
02:39:17 ◼ ► I've seen its weird first get used to but it's actually better long term which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9557">TS</a>]
02:39:25 ◼ ► the park is a button on top of the shifter so the shifter moving up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9565">TS</a>]
02:39:29 ◼ ► down switching between like reverse neutral Drive but if you want to put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9569">TS</a>]
02:39:32 ◼ ► in park it's actually a button on top so you can't like it's it's very clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9572">TS</a>]
02:39:36 ◼ ► which one of those things you're doing test wasn't a test the same way where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9576">TS</a>]
02:39:39 ◼ ► Tesla it's it's a column shifter which this is the first i've ever had a column [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9579">TS</a>]
02:39:42 ◼ ► shifter but I got used to it pretty quick because it's like you know down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9582">TS</a>]
02:39:46 ◼ ► his drive and then there's a button on the end to hit for parking you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9586">TS</a>]
02:39:49 ◼ ► hit that button every time like the the physical action of pushing that button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9589">TS</a>]
02:39:54 ◼ ► in is nothing like any other operation that lever so you know you're very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9594">TS</a>]
02:39:58 ◼ ► unlikely to accidentally do it right whereas on this Jeep behind putting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9598">TS</a>]
02:40:03 ◼ ► in park is just pushing a little bit longer either i don't my question if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9603">TS</a>]
02:40:07 ◼ ► it's how long you press up or how many times you press but it's only ever so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9607">TS</a>]
02:40:11 ◼ ► slightly different than putting it in neutral and I'm laughing but and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9611">TS</a>]
02:40:15 ◼ ► terrible that this guy died and that other people have obviously been hurt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9615">TS</a>]
02:40:18 ◼ ► too because there's a product recall but it it's just mind-boggling that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9618">TS</a>]
02:40:22 ◼ ► would make putting it in park something that's hard to distinguish well yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9622">TS</a>]
02:40:26 ◼ ► mean it's the the bad design that goes into car interiors and that actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9626">TS</a>]
02:40:33 ◼ ► ships in car interiors boggles my mind likes there so it isn't this is like way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9633">TS</a>]
02:40:39 ◼ ► worse the date windows and watches there is so much horrible design in car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9639">TS</a>]
02:40:43 ◼ ► interiors and and the controls and car interiors in those days I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9643">TS</a>]
02:40:46 ◼ ► anybody's ever been killed by a replacement of a date window on a watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9646">TS</a>]
02:40:50 ◼ ► dial probably not it's it's it's horrible because you know like it as as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9650">TS</a>]
02:40:56 ◼ ► we see with this like design flaws in cars like that that can cause actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9656">TS</a>]
02:41:02 ◼ ► fatal consequences that can actually get people killed and often they do actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9662">TS</a>]
02:41:06 ◼ ► people killing and it's you know they gotta take design seriously and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9666">TS</a>]
02:41:11 ◼ ► have some like this it's like who does anybody actually think about this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9671">TS</a>]
02:41:14 ◼ ► only testing I mean like it's it's just a tragedy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9674">TS</a>]
02:41:18 ◼ ► yeah I can I do see the of their origins of why they would ship this horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9678">TS</a>]
02:41:23 ◼ ► design was just the basic idea of we want to switch to an electronic system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9683">TS</a>]
02:41:27 ◼ ► instead of a analog system of where this is but so okay there's the why but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9687">TS</a>]
02:41:37 ◼ ► that's terrible I anything else that's it i think we've we've definitely the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9697">TS</a>]
02:41:43 ◼ ► put most of the audience to sleep or lost them in the wash discussion i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9703">TS</a>]
02:41:47 ◼ ► think so i think though I think we're doing this discussion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9707">TS</a>]
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02:43:00 ◼ ► feel like wow I I waste a lot of time in this guy he runs into higher metabolism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9780">TS</a>]
02:43:04 ◼ ► clearly we ran into him on sunday the first day we were out for WWDC and I we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9784">TS</a>]
02:43:10 ◼ ► me and Amy and Paul friend of the show Park fast as we walked over to the bill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy7ZHOI/9790">TS</a>]
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