00:00:00 ◼ ► this argument is why we're going to stop being friends like one day we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/0">TS</a>]
00:00:03 ◼ ► get drunk and get really mad about it is I think we have I think we are looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► like like in a way that like you know maybe other guys would get in a fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► over you know sports or a girl or something like that like you can get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/13">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► fights over Celsius vs paradise is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/18">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► yeah you're the only person I know who I can't convince that ok at least it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/21">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► yeah you can convince me because it doesn't make sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/27">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► it's just anyway whatever I don't want to get into it but it's it's a in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/31">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► nineties way too hot in the hundreds dangerously hop in any condition what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/36">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► honestly I kind of believe you i get it i really do especially to spend more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/42">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► i I really do and that can leave this close circle of you me and all of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/51">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► listeners so yeah I do get it but I just it's but the arguments for it make no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/59">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► sense man like it's all about what you're accustomed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/65">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► I totally agree that for anything anything else for you know doctors to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/68">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► you know you go to the hospital they should do everything in Celsius you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/72">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► all science obviously should be conducted and celsius to kelvin or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/76">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► whatever scale makes sense but for sure by the weather Fahrenheit Fahrenheit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/80">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► bottom so they trying to trying to get away from this little bit apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/85">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► introduced a whole bunch of new AP is this last cycle for different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/90">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► measurements and one of them was temperature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/97">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► what do you think the system these was probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/102">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► this Calvin Calvin yeah because I wanted to be selfish because I wanted to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/108">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► like hey screw you John but no I was kelvin which makes sense 0 and kelvin is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/114">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► like it's absolutely right up its absolute zero yeah there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/120">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► I mean those so let's get in there is no lies there are no nothing moves there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/125">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► 00 it's not like water gets cold it's like I've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/131">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► yeah yeah that makes some sense it's sort of like you know the cooler keeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/135">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► yeah oh yeah right like you gotta pick a temperature date kind of thing so right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/144">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► yeah I got some follow-up I don't know if you listen to my last show Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/148">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► we got talking about the chemical keyboards yeah and I expressed my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/155">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► frustration with the fact that that there's you get into mechanical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/159">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► keyboards like I i got into them and I like the Apple extended to I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/167">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► what kind of switches I think they're made by a company called helps but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/171">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► don't have to choose I just know that i like the Apple extended to keyboard i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/175">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► used it when I was kid I i owned one since I was 19 years old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/180">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► yeah i did this is one thing where I'd I mean honestly really only the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/185">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► temperature things where your locker but you were totally right about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/190">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► keyboard right think you have a weird obsession with it like I did you move I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/194">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► Brett it is what it is but I admire I admire your dedication to that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/199">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► keyboard with Jason and I Jason I've got talking about modern mechanical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/204">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► keyboards and you by like a new USB one and when you buy them you get the choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/207">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► between different switches so and there's other companies too but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/211">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► famous companies cherry this company cherry makes mechanical keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/215">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► switches and they make blue ones red ones brown ones clear ones black ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/219">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► and I think green ones and how to help you chose who enters descriptions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/227">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► them and they play you go to the website and they have little sounds and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/232">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► listen to them but that listening to the click of a keyboard is nothing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/234">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► couple of readers this is the follow-up couple of readers Senate that there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/239">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► company called I don't know how to pronounce it was d keyboards wasd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/243">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► keyboards and they know that the those are the the movement keys for like games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/248">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► like doom a Quaker if its a Mac man the plastic back non-mac shooter right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/254">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► guess that's well contestants it's the bunch of guys I'm way back in the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/262">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► and i'm blanking on your mind you know what's funny i did not i been so long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/266">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► since i was in the games I didn't realize that that's where they got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/269">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► company name from but that is exactly what I'm guessing but are you right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/272">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► is that city of you get their logo if you okay okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/275">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► it makes no sense is the WASD keyboards they sell a product that is amazing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/279">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► is called the wadi 6ki cherry MX which tester you pay 15 bucks and it it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/285">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► like an electrical device it's just like a piece of metal with one of each of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/291">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► six types of switches on top and a clear handicapped and then that they also send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/294">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► you a pack of these o-ring dampeners they're just like little rubber band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/300">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► type things that you can optionally put into the key to sort of damping the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/304">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► cleanness the sound of it it's a 415 box it's a great thing I have no idea if I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/308">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► even going to buy one of these keyboards but I instantly bought this thing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/314">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► fifteen bucks can get to do not however that marathon America just before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/316">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► it was marathon right yeah anyway so sorry 15 bucks marathon was the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/324">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► that was the last time I really got into a 3d game i was i was deeply obsessed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/328">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► with marathon cool and that was before the gaming part of my brain rot away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/331">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► anyway this sample kit highly recommend it i will put it in the show notes very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/336">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► fun if you're curious about the different types of key caps but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/342">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► also it makes a very fun in my opinion escort I like to just have it here now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/345">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► I've got a keyboard where I can just sit here and click keys and I'm not doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/349">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► anything that's good i think what i like if I were going to buy one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/353">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► keyboards I think what I would get is the cherry brown switches probably with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/358">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► the the dampener in there and it feels to you go with the dampener interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/363">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► i think so it's very hard to tell i almost wish that I didn't have to choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/367">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► you don't love about this it's a real nerd connoisseur kind of think like most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/372">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► no but the people who care can't live like that you know like you you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/381">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► be pulling your hair out to make a decision to go with the damper or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/386">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► yeah well and the other thing i found that and this was the company has a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/389">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► good fact on their website so the other thing that I found out is that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/393">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► quite the decision between these six key cap or keep switch colors isn't quite as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/397">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► complex as you think there's really only three types em the blue the brown and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/403">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► and i forget what the other one to default is I think it might be the black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/409">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► but the idea is that the or the red I guess the three main ones are the blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/415">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► the brown in the red and then the other three each one of them corresponds to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/421">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► one of the other two and just requires a little bit more force to activate it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/426">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► it has like a a spring that is more as more resistance so it takes a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/431">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► more force to push it and restore when you're done pushing it will push the key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/437">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► back up faster apparently gamers a lot of gamers prefer the ones with more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/443">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► resistance because they feel like they can hit the key faster because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/447">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► that's interesting so the black one is the red with more resistance the clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/453">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► one is the brown with more resistance and the green one is the blue with more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/460">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► you learn something every day so what do you like about the elected to travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/468">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► this sound is it's just as fabulous sounds like it's like an artifact if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/472">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► actually liking to type on the thing right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/478">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► I it's just a tactile satisfaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/481">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► it's at it's there's there's something satisfying to me about clicking an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/485">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► yeah okay but more so than like but whatever i'm looking at now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/489">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► ok the apple magic they can't imagine keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/495">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► yeah I know the standard apple keyboard like yeah they're called the magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/498">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► which is not let these guys have like very little travel there basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/504">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► laptop keyboard right but yeah with a little bit of extra travel just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/507">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► a little bit yet nothing they can afford it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/512">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► space and I you know I will offer you know when I travel I don't take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/515">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► mechanical keyboard with me i just typed on a macbook you know for as long as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/519">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► takes I mean it's not like I'm a princess who can't sleep on a mattress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/523">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► if there's a very rare but i do feel the p.i just still sleeping together it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/527">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► like okay I'm gonna deal with it anyway that's my follow-up i highly recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/536">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► hopefully elevate this company will be overwhelmed with requests from talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/540">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► your listeners spinal ease switch testers and like I said it's a very fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/545">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► yeah i'm gonna probably check on her that's cool I I wanted to talk here so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/551">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► here's a piece from earlier this month that I specifically want to talk to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/555">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► about because I feel like your sensibility would might be it you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/558">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► have an interesting take on this earlier this month I'm during i forget which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/562">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► beta release but the betas for iOS and mac Sierra mac OS Sierra updated and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/566">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► of the changes they made some changes to the emoji and the one that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/575">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► controversial i wrote about it a lot of people wrote about it is that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/578">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► change the it's called the pistol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/581">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► I mean what most people call it may be called the gun but like the official [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/584">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► unicode name is pistol they changed it from a realistic revolver type gun to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/587">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► oh no is it was a water pistol that's right to water it well looks like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/598">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► water pistol to me and then whenever easier on interpretation now I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/602">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► definitely does when you make it big you can definitely see it's a water pistol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/605">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► it's microsoft that used to have his apt that's right yeah so they made it a toy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/608">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► waterproof jacket so where is it was it was the question energies well what do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/611">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► you what do you think about I mean to controvert the controversy is let me try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/619">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► to summarize that I'd say one angle on it is this is the nanny state this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/624">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► Carter coddling us you know the whatever problems there are with real guns in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/629">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► these are fired and actual bullets rip through actual human flash a picture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/636">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► a cartoon picture of a gun that you send a text message is it is an abstraction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/642">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► and it's it would be you know what's the difference between not showing the emoji [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/648">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► or not allowing you to type that character string g un in this i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/652">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► that would be the expression that of the the opposition to this that I've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/658">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► and in the second opposition which is less politically charged it's more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/662">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► linguistic argument is if all other major platforms render this this code . [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/668">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► as a realistic gun and I send a string of emoji that includes the gun it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/677">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► have a different it could it could be interpreted as having a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/685">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► semantic meaning on iOS and mac now compared to these other platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/688">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► yeah that I might think that everybody sees it as a squirt gun and I send it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/693">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► you and which is harmless and gets white right everybody else is natural gun just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/699">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► so to the first argument that's an argument for inaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/708">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► yes you're right ok stupid emoji is not going to change anything and it the guns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/714">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► actually being fired in real life really do cause harm but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/721">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► do that is an argument for why you must keep the pistols emoji to be I like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/727">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► gun pistol like it that like a weapon rather than a squared missile you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/732">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► mean like it it's your the art that argument is one that you're conflating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/737">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► two different things and pistol isn't perfectly fine thing that you may want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/742">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► ok maybe so also water pistol you may want to represent like there's no it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/748">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► it's purely politically-charged argument I i think at least um and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/756">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► probably because this comes on the heels of the rifle emoji being I rejected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/764">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► rejected right there was a proposal in the you know like every year there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/771">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► there's some sort of process that the unicode consortium goes through where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/776">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► new characters are are suggested for emoji i guess for all of it unicode you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/780">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► know that there might be a you know some obscure language from a you-know-what at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/785">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► that small tribe in Asia or South America or something like that now add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/790">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► glyphs to support their language or something you know you can make all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/795">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► sorts of proposals unicode grows every year and one of the proposals that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/798">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► guess was pretty far along was the rifle and some point last year Apple said we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/804">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► are not going to implement this whether it passes or not we're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/810">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► implement it and yeah those apple said that it was dropped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/813">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► yeah was it Apple uniquely I don't think about it like Apple and Google Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/817">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► like now it might have not going to do it I did they might not have maybe Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/822">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► said at first and everybody was like yeah you know what we don't need this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/826">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► right I'll have to look that up but I didn't think United is certainly all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/829">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► articles i've read sailors Apple but i don't know if it was just my Apple might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/835">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► have collected very least might have led the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/840">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► yeah yeah that that was my understanding at least but they could be biased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/842">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► I'm okay with that do we really need a rifle energy and look I'm knotted at you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/847">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► just did expose myself and clearly not a gun advocate and a but I do understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/853">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► like why you made you know that there is a lot of really sensible and responsible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/863">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► gun owners out there i don't think we need an emoji you know is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/870">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► worried where it goes doing here and one of the things that really bugged me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/876">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► about the pistol was like this smiley face with it with it is not next to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/880">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► yeah that's not cool that's not funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/886">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► no that's like a real something that happens a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/890">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► there's what thirty thousand guns deaths in the u.s. each year long can a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/895">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► those suicides i think that i think it's suicide is the most common or else it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/901">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► yeah almost certain its most common yeah and I understand did these are goofy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/907">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► little things and you cracking job and you can do die in a fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/912">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► the kc list as this all-time like he's got like a little the skull face and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/916">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► fire right and i like that apartment that is a horrible notion why would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/921">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► understand is the phrase and i'd i'd look the other way but since we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/928">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► man that's that's harsh the suicide one is interesting and i am i'm talking from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/933">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► memory here so i might be wrong but I'm very very exclusive to certain that i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/939">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► correct here that it is a leading form of suicide or maybe the and especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/943">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► for men when you overwhelmingly choose to if they choose to often choose to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/951">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► that the firearms and in countries where firearms have I australia is the great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/956">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► example because Australia's to have a gun culture very similar to the u.s. in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/964">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► terms of guns you know per population and after a massive back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/967">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► likely yeah cowboy culture yeah literally like very much the same kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/972">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► of thing and after a mass shooting a terrible mass shooting I think in 1997 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/976">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► they legislated they did like a massive gun buyback where the government just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/982">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► bought back literally millions of guns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/986">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► I don't know what they did with the matter what they destroyed them . [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/990">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► whatever but it is a great in terms of actually studying scientifically the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/992">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► effects of gun ownership it's a tremendous case study because it used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/997">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► have lots of guns and now they have very few and in all sorts of guns are missing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► and it's not obviously the suicide rate by firearms did go down but actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► this overall suicide rate went down because guns are particularly easy way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► to do it i mean i don't get too too dark here but yeah but I mean if you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1015">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► there isn't having a bad day and you have access to something that right that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► you know it's going to do the job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► yeah it doesn't hold water to say that if you ban guns at suicide will stay the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► same because people want to kill themselves will just find another way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► it's actually there is statistical proof that I mean obviously some well but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► there's actually it's a it's just too easy and it's the other you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► terrible problem with it is that they're very effective they they work very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► so a higher percentage of suicide attempts that are made with a with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► actually you end up killing yourself as compared to the pills for example people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► who try to kill themselves by overdose there's a tremendous number of them who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► survived because they just pass out and somebody finds them and they get medical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► attention and it's a lot easier to recover from an overdose and it is to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► yeah well turns out a device made to kill things is good at killing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► yeah I I'm not to be too man i'm gonna get some hate mail idol and lighting I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1075">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► don't see how that's AII don't see how what we're saying it it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► controversial right but i'm not saying that we should ban guns i'm not i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► i'm not even making that you know I'm just saying it's the truth though that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► if you want to accept the gun culture that we have it's going to result in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► higher suicides and and much more effective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► yeah argument so and then Frank I mean obviously yeah i do advocate for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► kind of change but i am i'm not like nobody should have any guns here that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► have a lot of guns we don't have the same kind of crazy gun culture though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► that you know you can do it just what the current state of the US gun laws is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► I i am kind of fascinated by emoji there at first when I first thank you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► getting us off about when they first became a thing I I you know I was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► little skeptical i mean that I think anybody who knows my style can tell them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► a little you know I don't go for frivolous things I was never a fan I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► never really made it very extensive use of like a ski smileys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► you know like colon dash in parentheses to make a smiley and that even in text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► messages to meet you don't do that right and I used to me maybe an aubergine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► every now an instrument but so I was never big on smileys and the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► through the way that emoji sort of crept up on me was like with I message or what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► I chat i guess it used to be called at the time was there i think by default it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► would automatically turn certain character sequences into smileys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► and this was before we call them loads in there is a limited to i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► the set characters that came from a maximally like it was like an AOL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► instant messenger thing but different character sequences return in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► different smileys and I turn that off on it but there are you know you'd run into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► them accidentally sometimes there were certain character sequences that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► like if you're I don't know if you're pasting like source code or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► like that to somebody you you know the semicolon and a thing would somehow turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1196">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► into a smile and it wouldn't make any sense but once that you know the full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► emoji said I sort of you know I'm sort of fasting because i feel like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► are expressing themselves in a way like I it must be like a field day to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► a linguistic researcher to study this because people take to them naturally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► you know and you mention Casey list you know who use you know like a idiot can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► okay right i mean he's a very nice guy don't is verily in in written English [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► I mean he is he is very you know it's very tough to make any heads or tails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► out of his writing in english prose but he can express himself fluently an emoji [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► that's true that is the most true thing anybody's ever said about poor case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► and I think it's fascinating people who are good at and I use them i like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► it's there certain ones that are very fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► I i do think though i think it's interesting and I think that it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► form of real communication and it conveys emotion much better than prose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1255">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► I mean it's not surprised that they get mostly used in text messages in short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► text messages and Twitter Kenneth Anger yeah right and you know you can convey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► things like a you know if somebody says hey I got the job you know they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► you know trying to get a job at a place and they got it and you send them the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► two beers clinking emoji it it's a very very quick and efficient way of saying I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► ate congratulations and maybe hey let's meet up and you know have a beer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► celebrate you can convey that we're on Karen graduation celebration like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► alright all-in-one yeah but they're totally good you there is to me all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► those even though i think it's i do think it's a serious form of expression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► to me they are inherently frivolous and that to me is where to meet taking out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► the realistic pistol is to me okay because i think that there is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► inherent frivolousness to emoji and that their best used for and if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1315">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► the most of them overwhelmingly there uh it they're mostly like expressing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► that are either completely innocuous like strawberry or you know or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► surfing right some weird random like the woman dancing or yeah it its which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► little weird because well they're finally expanding the female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► yeah it's all happy and good and like a rifle and it at you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► ok we're still it's an ill suited it's an ill suited language for expressing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► in my opinion I i agree now that could just be because culturally that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► been going up with guns and counter not a thing in my life maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► maybe a goofy pistol is funny and maybe and this is like maybe we're now doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1372">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► the thing where eventually people look back at like looney tunes and like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► man I don't know we gotta cut a lot of these scenes right which I hated by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► way but I mean we don't need a pistol pistol we got water pistols fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► whatever you want to express with it as a joke with a pistol you can you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► express the water they had it that i love the Looney Tunes Lincoln's were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► meet you and some horrible but they had an entire character you somebody Sam the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► entire basis of his character was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► yeah yeah yes he was so gun-crazy they had two guns like one got wasn't enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► here and say man I love that gay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► yeah and while you care to charity died in like every way possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► no that was horrible it was your favorite who's your favorite moment all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► I'm blanking at the giant chicken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► foghorn leghorn recording like what this is why we are born like art is exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► thank you for this is named this is why we're friends he was my absolute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► I swear to God like a year ago maybe two years ago I can't remember i spent an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► entire night just watching pokémon like on YouTube like this is just the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► I don't always so very it was like 11 feet all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► yeah and yes i love it is like a total asshole to like the dog that's tied up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► like the dog this basically I guess mr. Lake your guard everything is tied up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► and all he does is like he wakes up in the morning and he goes and he stands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► just outside the line of where the dog's leash letting go and he just beats the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► dog into charging at him and then laugh at your house it is except i always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► loved foghorn leghorn he was definitely here and Chicken Hawk with the ad they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► added later was like teeny tiny yeah but he was like this like at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► you know like rough like you always want to get in a scrap can again I so good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► the other thing about the dog was that the dog was a worthy adversary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► oh yeah yeah he wasn't the dummy you just hide out past the time like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► apparently his name his name was just barnyard dog but it was spelled pawg dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► they always get the southern drawl barnyard dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► yeah that's the other thing I mean just fucking like an invoice with hilarious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► and the dog sometimes God look at delivery was got oh yeah yeah not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► sometimes like it didn't know it seems like a fair fight to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► yeah as opposed to like the Road Runner and wile e coyote yeah which is good to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► already is a bit of a tragic right he's kind of a tragedy no right to vote I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1555">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► would never do anything mean to learn i don't now we did he always more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► David just backfire you know right and did you ever read the rules they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► the their the written rules of the road round thinking eight years ago I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► put it up put it in the show notes but the rules are brilliant and it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► was almost like like writing the script for a roadrunner coyote short was almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► like a logic puzzle because you had to follow this it's very very specific list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► of rules like an one of them there are things that I'd ever even really thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► of was that one of them is that the roadrunner never leaves the road no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► matter what happens because because he's a roadrunner everything that ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► happened in all of those coyotes wily coyote roadrunner shorts he never once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► left the road that I didn't even notice that that's kind of that make sense yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► it's like well it's like the cartoon version of as mops three google yahoo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1616">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► bots yeah he's like you set up a structure and then you debug it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► basically by lake like your story is like well see how this winter huh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► and i think one of the rules is that every bad thing that happens to the cody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► I would totally yeah it seems dead I mean that's what I take away from it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► because and he's not even a bad guy really well i guess he doesn't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► eat the roadrunner but I think he's just hungry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► he's hungry yeah I'm sorry he's gotta eat somethin I don't was I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► any false off cliffs and get blowing up it's like Harlow the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► happened to her the worst like he falls off a cliff and then a giant boulder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► falls on her it's like as if that wasn't enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► let me take a break and thanking our fee first sponsor it's our good friends at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► Casper Casper is obsessively engineer mattress and they sell them at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► shockingly fair prices go to Casper calm / the talk show and just I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► automatically get it by going to that URL but the code is the talk show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1686">TS</a>]
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00:28:15 ◼ ► mattress they they don't have to choose like what type of foam you want what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► they've got one they they spent years they spent a lot of money they really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► they have engineers who just went into what is the perfect default mattress it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► is a cut they ended up with a combination of springy latex and support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► of memory foam for sleep surface with just the right sink just the right bound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► so you don't have to choose who wants to do it's like you don't have to get like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► one of those six key cap testers for six types of mattresses from Casper they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► got one type exactly what you want it's not like buying one of these mechanical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► keyboards one type of mattress you just pick the size and because they make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► and I day manufacture them right here in in the united states they make them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1735">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► sell them directly to you there is this is how they get away with charging but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► it in a lot of comparisons half the price of a premium mattress that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► would buy at a mattress store most premium mattresses start at over 1,500 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► bucks Casper's started just 500 bucks for twin and they go up to just 954 a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► king 854 queen and they're made right here in America there's a cool thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► if you live in New York City and if you've ever seen pictures of this but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► you live in New York City they deliver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► t on a bicycle there's the just I mean it is a big box to be carrying around on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► your back on a bicycle but you can get like same-day delivery in Manhattan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► maybe elsewhere in New York which is kind of amazing they show up in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► house in these ridiculously small boxes big box that I probably the biggest box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► you'll get all year delivered to your house but considering that it contains a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► mattress it's remarkably small simple instructions on the box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► bring it up to the room bedroom where you going to put it open the box the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► right way and it just sucks all the oxygen out of the room and next thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► you know you got a full size mattress they have this is the whole key to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► buying a mattress without trying it in a store or just taking you know the word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► for me John Q podcaster that these are good mattresses and they are very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► mattresses but they have a hundred knight home trial so you buy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► open it up sleep on it for three months and if you don't love it you just go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► the web go back and end it with no questions asked no hard sell they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► like make you sit there and and and try to convince you to keep it they'll just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► say ok and they'll come and pick it up and you get your money back so I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► lose it is the easiest way to buy a mattress and you get a terrific matters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► so go to Casper calm / the talk show and remember that code the talk show and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► will save 50 bucks on there already amazing prices so this is honestly not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► part of the page but they they started some dog beds etc I didn't know that how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1852">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► did not matter you because I'm muddy ended the water or something but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► they started selling but our beds and that seems pretty cool to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► yeah yeah well it seems you know similar kind of technology and you know like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► good cover so the doctors just eat the whole thing right now it's pretty cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► yeah your dog's gotta sleep somewhere yeah man just sleep on the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► anything else I mean you don't want to go back to the emoji do I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► covered bad yet not all the second point was that at the interaural is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► operability yeah yeah we talked about that before but we would talk about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► smiley face like the one with the teeth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► yeah Apple has a there's a it's like grimacing face training grinning face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► that looks almost exactly like their grimacing face except the eyes are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► different and on other platforms the grinning face is clearly somebody who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► whereas the apple one really looks like somebody who was grimacing for whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► reason you know ya like like if i pick it out i pick it out because it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► like it's sucking teeth like yeah like it's like the face had the face you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► would make if you just talk bad about somebody and you found out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► yes exactly yeah but that it's you know different platforms to enter them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► different ways so thats up so yeah the water pistol doesn't convey the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► notion and yes but it's it's fine i think it'll all get sorted out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► I think the other the other thing is a man put microsoft those guys they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► an idea that every gun right and now did change it to a pistol the day that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► change right leg water pistol i actually think and the worst part about that not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► only did they change it the wrong way at least just keep up with Apple to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► yeah to to our taste well and not just our taste but it is true that the iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1975">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► is so singularly I our dominant popular enjoy yeah yeah that that Apple what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► Apple does you know their their their user base is you know arguably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► leading at least in western the Western world is the leading use users of emoji [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► so it really doesn't matter just proportionately what Apple does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► yeah i agree that right i mean for his big and it for as many you know tens of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► hundreds of millions of people are using windows and sending emoji on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► there's more people using iOS devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► yet you android is splintered because you know like Samsung has their own set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► you know different different android makers have their own sets of emoji they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► don't all just use the default google one so even though there might be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► users of Android in you know quote-unquote android there's android is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► so splintered that it's just no single base the way that iOS does right Angela [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2034">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► androids splintering is not help not helping in leg pic pic and metrics like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► pick some avenue that you want to talk about and like almost always like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► yeah but android is not one thing it's just right let's do it that's the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► way to think about it though if you stop thinking about it as though it is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► thing it's it's you know it makes more sense i do think I also think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► personally I think Microsoft had a better idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► yeah going with the Raygun than water gun because I think a water gun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► I I think 90-some percent of cases it won't make much difference but a water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► gun is a little bit so it's more specific where you could combine it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► like the splashing water drops yeah right and then that will make any sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► whereas if you want with the Raygun I don't really think there's any context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► or you could use it with other emoji where it changes things that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► yeah just sort of put some more frivolous spin on the idea of of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► yeah I actually I you know what I'm going to say i dunno but not sure thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► no apps pretty sure aside but the water pistol emoji used to be flipped the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► yeah and apparently internally there was like before they shipped it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► so which would have really broken everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► yeah because it would matter if you were saying you want to shoot shoot to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► left to shoot right right and you're putting an emoji that's what you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► yeah I actor I kind of like the fact that they made it the other way just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► because it literally breaks any of that Lake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► you're shooting at the one thing and that's a very personal political thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► that I think it is smarter than they probably slipped back to the left at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2155">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► this point so at least faces the same way as all the other pistols and II i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► think i think Craig I think Hockenberry point this out is that the emoji spur [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► emoji the unicorns back specifically mentions that it should be pointing one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► yeah we could say that's a bit Craig knows more about oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► emojis and will ever know because the icon factory has done the emoji sets for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► I think a couple of companies uh yea big companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► yeah because everybody knows so they've done a lot of you know it as you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► expect from a kind company entire name is based on drawing I kind favor is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► drawn a lot of emoji so turns out and Craig while he's not drawing the emoji [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► is obviously the point person on making sure that all the yeah the hexadecimal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► code points in the etc are ok well he made his own internal awesome tool to of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► course it did to make this minus X i have course he did he was their finest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► right let us define so yeah so he made an awesome feel free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► well what else can we talk about how about did you read the Steven Levy piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► for back-channel with a profile of apples AI and quote unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► machine-learning work i did a little bit yeah / vetted haven't made all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► subsequent follow-up soufflé trying to frame it in different ways you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► that the just of it is that Steven Levy I think it's leave the honor of its levy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► Steven Levy i know i should know I information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► yeah and it also seems like smoke outta me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► oh he's been in the racket forever so right yeah as written some great great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► books including uh what was the name of the ipod both the ipod book was amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► oh yeah like I'm blanking perfect horrible names but he's written books he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► is written about cryptography he is you know again he's smart guys been around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► for write them if they die as long as I've been following and stuff he's being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► a go-to like yeah a name with trusting the ipod book was called the perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► oh cool that's good name yeah really was and so he was somehow obtained you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► whether it was offered to him or whether it is him asking but is probably a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► combination of the two through apple PR was granted exclusive access to apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► executive leadership in turn on on AI and machine learning and Cirie which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► Eddy Cue and Greg federighi of course and then two other guys who one of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► name is ever do remember is Tom Gruber which is just for the record no elec no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► relation and another guy whose name I escapes me but he's like in charge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► the voice like the mob english i think na allergens case you're not sure I mr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► joke because i'm looking for it and fucking funny too funny for anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► alex is 0 he's in charge of voice recognition i saw people complain that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► this was a quote-unquote a lot of people say it's a PR puff piece i saw the words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► PR puff piece at least I don't know 20 times in response to this and of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► it there there's a certain truth to that in terms of its not like steven levy got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► free access for a year to just be a fly on the wall and watch the team work he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► you know he's not gonna happen he got like one day of access to what Apple had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► planned as almost you know like a presentation of here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► what we will reveal to you and talk to you about and so of course what Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► revealed and talk to about it was meant to you know make apple look good right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► there is no other way around but I mean the alternative is that Steven Levy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► declines to take to do the story and I feel like the world is a worse place i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► not saying that this is an accurate you know that it's not a slanted look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► it's obviously what Apple was willing to reveal but it's there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► interesting stuff in it in the article i thought yeah I i agree with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► there's a difference between being like a minion and reporting and letting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► everybody know the circumstances under which you sort of got the information or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► you have the conversations right you know i mean it's not like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► there's a false equivalence between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► I'm very carefully trying to pick number two but between sort of like a press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► that is very politically aligned and press that I get some kind of access and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► let you know they had that kind of access right and then tells you what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► it's like the context of the access is right there in the story and you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► in judging you know be a critical reader and judge it for what you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► exactly yeah no I mean that's the baseline always be a critical leader but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► Anna it especially with this current political cycle going on in in the US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► gauging like Beijing the press is like not it's not always easy but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► shouldn't just throw everybody went in one bucket and be like well I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► did anybody says yeah and I he's very upfront and I think he makes it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► clear exactly where the context was right and that that's that's what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► need is it as it as an intelligent critical meter to to sort of make your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► decision right and it's not like if you read it and I read it I read it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► thoroughly but it's not like Steven Levy was trying to make the argument that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► Siri is no perfect or even great or ahead you know far ahead of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► Apple might be making that argument but and and he might you know quote them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► saying it but he's not you know like against even leaving has been around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► block before I mean he's NEA is very very well sourced at Google in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► particular so he's you know and also steven levy is the type of guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► writes stuff that really stands up over time like the value of this article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► might be better ten fifteen twenty years from now than it is today in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► looking at either where things went wrong for apple or where that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► the beginning of where things went right in there AI and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► yeah it's it's written for the long term yeah and you write about it he he vote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► in the Plex like a yep the book about and if anybody is looking for a book to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► be on a hot summer day in the plexes definite with reading right that's his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► is like inside looking at Google we have extensive and long-term access that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► was ya like it ya like years us with reporting an ad like that's hard work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► and he did it so this interview or peace carries all the more weight because he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► familiar with that both companies right and I think among people who like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► know read our read our stuff listen to our shows you know people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► listening to us talk right now I feel like a is siri good bad mixed bag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► whatever is probably one of the most contentious you know I worry a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► that that that me in particular and and you know the type of people have in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2635">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► show that we're all just preaching to the choir and that we agree on on so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► much of what's going on that what's you know what's the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► I feel like that Siri and apples machine-learning efforts and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► that is a great point where there's i know that there are people listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► right now to think series a big pile of dog shit now I and those are I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► some of the people who are most frustrated with this article and think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► that it's a quote-unquote PR puff piece because how can this article keep going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► on and on and not saved that serious garbage because they for whatever reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► they think serious garbage which I disagree with well that's two things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► you can just unequivocally say that that's that's a value judgment right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► except everybody ask a witch man that sounds like wishy-washy because yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► could be purged but isn't not it you know the field it works i think people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► use it all the time it's in everything from the watch to now the mac but soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► the maggots and beta at the apple TV on the iOS stuff working pretty well now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► does it answer everything perfectly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► no but I think it's more audacious I get it has it the aspirational goal is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► higher than I think something like the Amazon echo is which is what it often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► gets compared to or you know what I don't hear a lot about now is google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► google now i just read a story that people of the Dead google made a change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► in a recent somehow recently and and made something that the change in google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► now has a lot of people upset i don't hear as much about that and I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► why that is I don't know if it's because I don't read enough android stuff or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► maybe we should talk to her hey but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► well here's what I think I didn't have a chief this disc that goes unsaid in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► article but i do feel that the disadvantage that google has with now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2756">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► and you know this might change coming up later this year because they pronounce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► their there echo like device the little home you know the home speaker system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► yeah but it is it this whole day I bought assistant type thing it it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► intuitive sense this is not a very profound observation but as we go on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► live with these things it's shown to be more true is it can't be part of an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► it has to be part of the system on the device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► yeah you have to be able to say hey dingus to your thing it's like going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► open the google app on your iPhone first and then speaking into it you've already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► the whole point of the voice driven interfaces that you don't have to fish a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► yeah I'm coming to think that maybe absolutely sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► I not a dead end but it's like it's not a path for this sort of voice its kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► of certainly not a path for this kind of thing right and we've had it for what 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► well we've invented since nineteen sixty-eight without ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► oh so you mean there i just mean apps apps like I'm like you know maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► absolutely but that's that shouldn't be the focus you know and not necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► do the open docx thing but we want when people have we're totally right with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► hell it's like it doesn't run apps right you don't ask a lake how launch the pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► bay door app right word or and then launch the how lap and then talk to Al [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► ok I you know that stupid pod bay door app should have been updated but before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► it before they went off to Jupiter is really should have like updated that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► sucker idea but I i just read an example here's a in my tweet and my Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► replies to me and I won't call the guy out because i think you know he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► asking to be called a soccer route but it's there's a guide to send me a tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► what's group or what's with Apple doing a press victory lab lap I think he meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► about how great they think serious its laughably poor compared to Eric anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► else I I really disagree with that I think there are clearly areas where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► know I i think what's interesting about this is that the big players in this are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► all better it they have it has different strengths and weaknesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► yeah no yeah pretty cool right right in it i keep going back to i keep going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► back to a couple of examples i have an amazon echo in here and in the kitchen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► and i barely use it big but i think i've used it more if we had more the home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► automation stuff that you can hook up to it like turning the light on stuff but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► did you buy that or did you know I bought them have ok sorry that's a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► question but I'm trying to gauge your engagement with it I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► yeah yeah but for example you if you ask the the echo and alexa anything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2934">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► all you get is the exact same can weather report for where you are so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► what's what's the weather you get you get a weather report looks like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► expected highs and lows and whether it's going to rain and if you say what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► nature instead of giving you the temperature you get the exact same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► weather report if you say what just can't let temperature go man i know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► can't let it get that is in celsius or fahrenheit it's in Fahrenheit now well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► so at least you know on the good side although I wonder what would happen if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► if I just said to you know hey dingus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► I please please give me the temperature in Celsius instead of Fahrenheit from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► now on I wonder if that would work i'll have to try that but I if you ask for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► the humidity you get the weather report and it the the weather report doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► yeah so it understands that you asking about the humidity is you asking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► the weather but the answer is just the same exact word for word can weather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► report if you ask Siri those questions you get the actual answer if you ask for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► the temperature you just get the temperature if you ask for the weather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► you get a full weather report and i even tried asking for the humidity and it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► Siri can tell you the current humidity so there's an area where i could say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► unambiguously serious better than Alexa and on sports is another example where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► Alexa can tell you some basic stuff about sports and like scores and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► like that but Siri can tell you things like the Vegas betting odds and who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► favored in a game I mean as yeah is that a big difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► I mean for me it is cuz I'm again but ya know i think it is i mean it it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► somebody can check e what you tweet that on drinking on gamble it on there not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► yeah buying a new iphone every year and that lying about drinking him put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► that's still fun is what it's a pretty clever little logical yeah the guy was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► like man I was cracking up under it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► um yeah I know I I think Cirie is seems to have a broader area that it aspires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► to cover and perhaps in some place that does it doesn't cover it as well as what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► the more focused things do which is interesting because Apple typically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► narrows things down to the solvable problems right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► but in the case of Syria seems like they're gone deep like that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► interesting because they they also bought at the company that made series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► so it could be a cultural divide a little bit they're reaching I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3113">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► but it's possible because you would think that apple would be shipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► something like the echo which does weigh less but when you ask you to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► something does it right and instead they've got this thing do when he asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► you to do something it will make a best effort to answer any spoken question and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► give you a good like a good answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► yes i can you wrap your head around how hard that is it is I couldn't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► well I mean as I mean like five of things that series could help you with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► anything like I have no idea i think all of us who've ever programmed it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► started programming as a kid you know i have written tried to write like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► know like a two German adventure type it you know thing you know at least in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► days when starting the program menu around like a little command line and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► you just build up a list of if-then statements right what the yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► Yeah Yeah right and that it doesn't work like you have to have like an exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► match for every single yes every single anyone and they're gonna do that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► tedious but that's not how Siri we're now at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► yeah well and they're you know they're very very ambitious about it I mean and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► you can have examples of things that work we're in this in this story the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► Steven Levy story and eq shows that with integrating with square cash where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► says send you swear cash to send Jane twenty dollars and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► serie interpreted and open square the square cash app to send his wife twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► dollars and he says it differently said shoot twenty dollars to to my wife you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► know he can call her Jane he can call his wife he can say send twenty dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► he can say shoot twenty dollars i mean shoot twenty dollars is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► linguistically is pretty advanced it if it you know that I ya know yeah I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► never say that but I could see somebody like I would understand it if somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► told me that everybody get it send them money if I don't even know how many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► those things were like why even me as being generally on the you know I'm on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► the positive end of the spectrum of where I think series I've and i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► that a lot of people aren't but i am i'm a fan and I think they're doing well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► even I might be under estimating like I wonder if you can like tell Siri like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► get my wife on the horn like wouldn't know that you mean one that's gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► that's like that's like Trapper John in math because I would never think that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► would never think to try that with a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► oh well now my dad says that all the time my dad I probably says get somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► on the horn more than even says I talked to him on the phone i love that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► expression i really love that expression that's old-school you would like my dad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► I'm sure yeah we should come but you come to a family gathering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► exactly yeah I know like yeah that is awesome especially the people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► because it it it evokes the old-school headsets right we have to pick it up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► like there's no buttons on it's just a horn kind of stick to it and all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► why here's the big question i have is why does this article exist why did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► Apple agreed to to give leavey access to write this article I don't know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► seem to have been on Pier blitz recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► yeah definitely I mean it's definitely I the bit you know big picture answer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► this is part of the new Oh more open Tim Cook's Apple this is part of the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► where Craig federighi and phil schiller go on the show and yeah Craig federighi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► goes deep on stage in front of a live audience on the direction of privacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► which is a big part of the same story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► oh yeah he had the differential privacy is a huge part of this way i right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► learning thing I don't know all Apple but old Apple not only wouldn't show up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► on Joe random podcast and talk about it in front of a live audience they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► wouldn't talk about for the party . i'll write it is . you're not Joe and podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► i know i know but it's they wouldn't have gone on my podcast six seven eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3356">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► years ago and talked about this and they wouldn't have talked in detail about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► it worked you know that they they didn't talk about some of how anything works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► perfectly right right that would have just been part of the black box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► yes no they would never talk about that that shocked me actually they get your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► gear and a bad way i was happy for you bit like the access that you got was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► pretty surprising it's definitely but maybe it shouldn't be you know i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► that the fact that they're talking to steven lee shouldn't be surprising on i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► think that one of the aspects of Tim Cook's Apple the new open apple that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► different from steve jobs is old Apple isn't just that they're open for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► sake of openness I think it is very specific and i think it is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► will they wish to be better understood as a company and when they perceive that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► they are being misunderstood or that the conventional wisdom about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► x within Apple is wrong they want to do what they can to correct that whereas i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► feel like with jobs it was like if I really do I mean this is a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► flippant but I really think that with we understood jobs it was like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► everybody thinks we're blank but we're not and he's adding jobs his attitude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► was well screw I don't know who gives you know who gives a crap if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► understand this or not or maybe it's even better for misunderstood because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► you know that nobody's gonna see is coming right everybody wants to treat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► well right we'll just taking charge yeah will show ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► whereas I feel like Apple Tim Cook's apple is frustrated by being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► misunderstood and seeks to correct it and in this case I believe that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► frustrated with the conventional wisdom that apple doesn't get AI may not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3472">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► care about it and that they are that the while the rest of the industry led by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► Facebook and Google and perhaps Microsoft are racing ahead on this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► Apple is going to be left behind with you know pieces of glass that you touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► whereas everybody else is moving towards a ipod and i think apple is saying no we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► are deadly sir we are different we are different into two big regards which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► forget to but we are deadly serious about this and we think we're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► hey I do that I feel like they want to color that and so here's a here's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► paragraph from the story I want to get off but one of the differences between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► Apple and other companies here is that i read from leaving the factory doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► say that this approach might be a necessity apples penchant for secrecy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► puts it at a disadvantage against competitors who encourage their star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► computer scientist too widely share research with the world what our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► practices tend to read this is federally talking our practices tend to reinforce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► a natural selection bias those who are interested in working as a team to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► deliver a great product versus those whose primary motivation is publishing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► so back to steven lee BF while improving an apple product scientists products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► product scientists happen to make breakthroughs in the field that's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► but says neq but we are driven by a vision of the end result and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► that what they're getting at here is that the researchers communion in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► larger community who are largely focused on publishing see Apple as out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► because Apple is nobody from apple is publishing yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► add this one . yes yes definitely that Apple was out of the outside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► mainstream on in the security industry because they weren't participating in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► right yeah and I don't they didn't answer you know you'd send in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► right yeah and I don't they didn't answer you know you'd send in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3595">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► they didn't give the day they were even they were even dinged for not giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► credit to people for when they'd fix the bugs and yeah odd which probably they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► should have ended they do now and that's another example that's changed that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► head applehead chief engineer for security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► he's a black hat recently right and gave a very well-regarded talk like it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► a couple years since Apple had spoken at black hat and the last time they did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► was sort of panda because it was deemed a insufficiently detailed you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► it was just sort of painting and broad strokes whereas this talk that the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► gave you know last month at black hat was very detailed about some things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► that's where they introduced the new bug bounty program you know but talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► unencrypted Colonel caches like he did me whatever topic was on the table for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► Apple security they they were he was on it he was might just make it great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► like these people are brilliant like they're in they're not dummies with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► so that i really do think that like serious academic research is best shared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► so they it can be checked right because that's how science works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► I I kind of agree with the fact that like say well we're going to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► something and then we're going to ship it and then you can judge it by its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► merits I appreciate that approach because all of the mistakes and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► along the way maybe interesting but it's what you actually get to that it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► it's the goal it is the you know it's the thing that everybody body should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► finally believe this article rather than on mistakes and these articles even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► mentions that Apple is making an exception to it that the general you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► know we don't really publish papers about the work we do we just use it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► make great products are making an exception on differential privacy which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3716">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► they consider to be such a breakthrough and such a big part of what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► doing that they don't you know they're there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► yeah they are having their research behind it published what they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► because they want everybody else to get on board with it is where it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► that it's the confession thing that they did last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► it's got so much open source stuff going on like WebKit open source right from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► the OS difficult on the color but there is chrome OS I don't mean yeah throw a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► scrum browser it's a WebKit that's being hacked a lot but I mean that's apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► stuff right since 97 97 apple has been releasing huge chunks of open-source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► chrome is a perfect example of uh why some people would argue you know against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► open sourcing stuff because it's you know it it it isn't the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► quote-unquote worst-case scenario where you're just think that Apple did WebKit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► and put all this work into and Google used to be an active participant in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► submitting patches to WebKit and in a certain point google and apple had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► enough differences in the future of WebKit were google said we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► fork this and what are they called anyone blank is is winning there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/3795">TS</a>]
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01:15:54 ◼ ► most likely which is probably not the moment the way the most people actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4554">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► read the world and like this is probably the most likely you should probably get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► your eyes checked a little bit so Tim Cook has been CEO now 45 years as of two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► days ago he has been the CEO of Apple for five years so there's a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► people commemorating that with you know what's what are the five years can cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► like I think that that was the basis that was a really long interview with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► Tim book in The Washington Post that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► yeah they asked the 13th i was about two weeks ago actually not quite sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► that was time to be with the five-year thing but might as well be i will put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► link to that interview yeah i think so i like it is really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► yeah it's so long and I was actually a I was actually on a brief vacation with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► folks at the time and so I actually didn't finish reading it until today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► actually which is why I haven't liked to it on daring fireball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► yeah you should quit thinking find out but now two weeks late but ok you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4615">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► always late now it's typical for me it wasn't her it was very interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► it's it a lot of it is stuff that i already knew about tim cook but some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► it was insightful and they asked one of the questions they asked that I've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► people ask about but nobody asked him was whether or not he thinks that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► growing up gay in a the us-south in Alabama did that make him is that did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► that fuel his focus on privacy right you know and that he was a great question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► it is a great question it was very well worded and in short I don't want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► know you should read his article i want to read the whole thing but in short he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► says know that in two separate things that it did that obviously his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► upbringing was you know everybody's upbringing informed who they are as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► adult but in this particular case on the issue of privacy he believes that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► the United States and edits as much a part of you know the founding of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4676">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► country is the freedom of speech and freedom of religion that you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► right to privacy and that he believes they asked so strongly that it has you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► know but who knows maybe he's you know it you know i don't know i don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► but i don't want to give that one hundred percent yeah and just to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► manic hate him that I'm gonna do this but just to get back to the gun rights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► thing is like first you should be concerned about privacy attract that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► then you won't need a gun that's it protect yourself from whatever the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► you think you're going to protect yourself from but yeah and now I I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► told they gave them and and for a long time I did key and I had my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► narrative that I'm like well he's like a gag growing up in the South that's gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► suck i'm given his age and all that right things are different now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► I hope and father certainly better i think i don't think anybody would deny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► think that you know that no matter how whether it's still is problematic or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4736">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► probably i would guess that'd be probably really problematic and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► hopefully hopefully the worst that's happening is arguing about who's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► to make a wedding cake right when it used to be like you just may get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► murdered right so hopefully but you know you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► change take some kind of time so at so yeah that would have been what I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► have thought but I like the center of a lot it's just like now this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► fundamental it's the fundamental freedom and you know again hurted it's hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► I you know na you have to he's a very careful speaker it's you know as he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► needs to be and they even address that that that he was one of the things he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► surprised by is he thought he would operate a little under the radar because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► he thought that the attention Steve Jobs Scott was because you know steve jobs i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► left at court and that it didn't come with the job but that is wrong that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► being the CEO of Apple brings an intense scrutiny to everything you say and do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► that that he didn't quite anticipate because he really thought it was Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► and not that's the chair as he calls it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► yeah I think he's partially right like a lot of it was just cuz jobs like of jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► and quit apple and went somewhere else which they can't even imagine having but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► if you had people would still be following jobs right that's what Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► at this point apple is huge right leg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► yeah is that like the hot seat is not just Steve anymore its it you want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► you're now you're you know you know now you're gonna have weird pieces written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► about you that you don't like you are unsure that store saying or like you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► something in somebody's going to take it the wrong way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► yeah i really don't envy that kind of scrutiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4856">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► it is weird though I mean and you know I don't do I don't write like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► five-year commemorative piece you know I tend not to do those sort of anniversary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► type things but it is still fun to think about and it is weird to me to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► that he's been CEO for five years now just as a point of reference like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► the thing that made me go like woe is I've been writing daring fireball since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► 2002 actually august 2002 so exactly 14 years so over a third of the time I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:34 ◼ ► been doing during fireball has been apple has been under tim cook that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4894">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► kind of crazy to me like it is that is case in my gut it doesn't feel that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► it doesn't feel like it still feels like the Tim Cook era is new and that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► spent most you know it's true if still spent two-thirds of the time but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► give it another five years and it'll be half the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► half the time I've been doing this Tim Cook's been in charge yeah yeah I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► the same way about well first of all when at Tim Cook was there for five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► years I realize it like I've known you way too long and I should spend some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► time funny better friends because I like we've been friends for a long time when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► it's just I feel like I'm wasting my life here yeah the other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► the other thing is a is his tenure was so questioned at first but I mean if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► look at i was at harvest that posted the charts with something like I'm sure he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► supposed to start strictly for a horse the gym is all we do is get it wakes up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► and he's gonna charge and yeah but now I Tim Cook's mean like killing it for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► first five years of adverse is a 10-year and CEO of Apple I'm and I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4972">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► he's doing it in the same with honor did this bar also had great results yes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► it was more like doubling down and whatever it already existed and in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► kind of writing out the wave of success of Microsoft for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► ok i just do better guys everybody then I am actually like a Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► cheerleader at this point like get I want them to do well I'm right here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► yeah i think that the biggest mistake under bomber Emil again we get paid to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► whole show about that but yeah it's the biggest mistake was missing out on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► mobile and it's again i've said this many times where any laughed about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► which i think is unfair like that thing where he's laughing off the iphone right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► I but I that's what he's doing an interview and use a boisterous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► over-the-top kind of guy like I kind of get the feeling though that in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5036">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► video where he laughs about the iphone that it doesn't have a keyboard at six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► hundred dollars and how you're gonna do work without a keyboard you know its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► meaning laughs I know it is his personality and of course he's not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► to say very good things about it but I do feel though that the way he he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► his attitude in that video to me indicates that he didn't even privately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► didn't get it he didn't look at the iphone and think oh fuck this is amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► and we don't have any that we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5071">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► what and I do believe that he should that CEO of Microsoft should have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► able to look at the iphone and say that first iphone and say oh we are screwed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► but it's if you read the the great was Andy the great book by the guy from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► original Macintosh team and here's felt any hearts flowers candy and not go i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5094">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► yeah and he not go as a gay guy revolution in the valley and then he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► also in most of those stories are also on his great website folklore . org ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► that's a great say oh my god it's amazing but i like it in the book I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► the book better but if you're going to cheapskate and we're free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► I he tells the story he was there in the room when when Bill Gates first saw a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► Macintosh and it was still prototype and what he gets was specifically obsessed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► about was the way that the mouse pointer moving on screen was so smooth that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:38 ◼ ► animation was so smooth because I all other previous attempts at that there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5138">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► I I don't know what the details of how Apple did that what what the trip was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► but there was some serious trickery going on that make these days is done in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► hardware I back then no like you'd have to you draw they did the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► underneath like your mouse was there and you would move it and then you'd have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► be driving it where it was right and that's like that on those kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► computers at that time that was hard like it you know right if a big deal if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► the mouse movement on all other systems that mouse the mouse moved very jerkily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► that's just real jerky and it on the Macintosh even know that the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► was by today's standards almost laughably you know minimal you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► hundred 128 kilobytes of RAM yeah oh yeah we're going to 128 k 1 the facts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► into anything them had been the pentax might have been the fact that it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► as laughably smokes local also the other one would have been like 64k [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:43 ◼ ► back i could be wrong on that circuit so yeah I think the last 25 years is but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5203">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► think the fat man li di and I think the original was 128 yeah I don't think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► ever ship 264 came back it was 128 but it was her to kiss but gates saw the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► mouse movement and accused them of having dedicated hardware to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► because otherwise it would be impossible and it and i think i think is the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► goes the jobs told andy hertzfeld shut up his Hertzfeld was going to tell gates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► of course the word which goes back to the price . but like scientists writers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► like want to just tell everybody all the stuff all the time but it gates is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► type of guy who could look at the mac and see something like that and say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► this is something whereas bomber because he's so outside the product development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► and not really a software guy really is just a true business businessman CEO it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► didn't look at the iphone and see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► whoa this is this is not something to laugh at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► like there is a way to answer that question where he doesn't look so bad in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► hindsight you know and and keyboard thing is a fine answer that i know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► you know I've made a over that over the years but at the time because all people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► with business phones had blackberry style devices or their windows you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5276">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► the windows mobile devices blackberry style where it had these hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► part of the answer yeah I join us turn has been on the show a light right or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► she should be more often because she's hilarious huge blackberry physical right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► keyboard fan you know she loves it right but you know it's just kind of tailed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► is quite but that was a financial but the laughing at it was in a program you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► could just see I could just see that he just didn't have that I feel like tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/5305">TS</a>]
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01:40:24 ◼ ► okay and you've you've wrapped it up now like you're right and by the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6024">TS</a>]
01:40:28 ◼ ► $YEAR i believe this month you're shutting off the sync service right at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► that point we really only have two things we have an iOS app and we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► sync service and we for various reasons we need to shut down the sink service I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:42 ◼ ► there's some changes coming to as your mobile services we might it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6042">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► possible that after these changes that it would if we had left it up running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:53 ◼ ► would keep running but there's also possible we just don't know yet until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6053">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► they make the change it's also possible that require engineering to fix and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6056">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► effort that we don't have because brent is not working on Vesper anymore so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:06 ◼ ► don't have the engineering to keep it running so since we can't guarantee it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6066">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► and we were thinking we should shut it down anyway now is a good time to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:12 ◼ ► so we're shutting down the sink service so what we did is we shipped a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6072">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► version of Esper that has to change is one you can no longer sign up for a sink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► account because because it really doesn't make any sense to allow people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:25 ◼ ► to sign up first think account that is only gonna last for five days and two it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6085">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► adds an export feature which we probably should have had all along but didn't for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:35 ◼ ► various reasons but the way that we're doing export is really that to me it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6095">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► it's ideal is and it's you have chicks identity to get job there's confusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► and I think I don't think that if you read what we wrote about it at various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:51 ◼ ► places either in the release notes for this new version of the app or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6111">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► Brent's blog or my blog on I don't think of what we wrote is confusing but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6114">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► think because of the way so many other services work people just come at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► with the wrong impression and our computers the one source of confusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:07 ◼ ► people have is hey wait if you're shutting down the sink service at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6127">TS</a>]
01:42:10 ◼ ► end of august this is like too short of a notice how am I going to export my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6130">TS</a>]
01:42:13 ◼ ► notes because you're studying adapt you know it what if I'm not what if somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6133">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► is on vacation for the last week of august and they don't get it and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6137">TS</a>]
01:42:21 ◼ ► sync server is already off and they haven't been able to export their notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6141">TS</a>]
01:42:23 ◼ ► and the confusion is that export doesn't go from the cloud it's not we in fact we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6143">TS</a>]
01:42:28 ◼ ► can't like the way that the sync services is worked is that I guess we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6148">TS</a>]
01:42:33 ◼ ► could but it-it-it the data on the device right and it's exported through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6153">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► on iOS document Pickers is that was called document pickers and enough so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► the one that there by default for anybody who has iCloud is you can export [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:51 ◼ ► yeah but if you have any other app that has a document picker extension dropbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6171">TS</a>]
01:42:58 ◼ ► I another one that is very cool that I've tried is a transmitted from our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6178">TS</a>]
01:43:04 ◼ ► friends at panic so if you have transmitted on your phone you can export [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6184">TS</a>]
01:43:09 ◼ ► your Vesper notes from your device to any web server that you have configured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6189">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► in transmit any really wear that pendant a great job that's yeah shocking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:20 ◼ ► yeah but anyway export goes from the device not from the not from the class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6200">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► so we can shut down the sink server and anything that really notice that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:29 ◼ ► already have on your device you can export including the pictures and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6209">TS</a>]
01:43:35 ◼ ► what we're going to do is we're probably gonna take Vesper out of the app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6215">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► yeah I didn't feel well I wrote about i mean i'm sad i mean i really love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:46 ◼ ► app and I like you know I liked working with friend Dave I'd really did have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6226">TS</a>]
01:43:50 ◼ ► lot of fun but the truth is that once you know what we just never made enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6230">TS</a>]
01:43:54 ◼ ► money I mean I wrote about it we never made enough money so we couldn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6234">TS</a>]
01:43:56 ◼ ► we were needed to make enough money to keep rent full time and we didn't we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6236">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► never made that much money so Brent it the one was that 2014 some point 24 he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:08 ◼ ► yes I might be like two years and eight months maybe two years ago I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6248">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► like two years like two years and come September Brent went to work at the omni [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:16 ◼ ► group which you know again it's like working for panic it's like oh yeah kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6256">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► oh yeah ah yeah you know it's it's like can all you know like Kevin Durant going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:28 ◼ ► to the to the already great golden state warriors like oh yeah now they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6268">TS</a>]
01:44:33 ◼ ► picked up front sevens yeah sure that's great then has an awesome three-point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6273">TS</a>]
01:44:39 ◼ ► shot right away but the truth is that once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6279">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► Brent went to work for Romney full-time there's you know you know which the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:46 ◼ ► writing was on the wall that there was no way for us to continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6286">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► I mean in theory we could have hired somebody else I found somebody else to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:52 ◼ ► take over for Brent and I be managed a volume unit and the programmer but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6292">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► you know I guess part of the whole thing wasn't really that we wanted a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:07 ◼ ► programmer the whole point was that i wanted to work with Prince Simmons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6307">TS</a>]
01:45:10 ◼ ► get that was that makes me feel a lot better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6310">TS</a>]
01:45:13 ◼ ► well you know I mean like I'm joking i just solid whatever this it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6313">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► hey I mean yeah I know it's true i mean we'll have to say I mean I die you die I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:22 ◼ ► just like I asked you if you wanted to do it but I said it would you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6322">TS</a>]
01:45:25 ◼ ► about you know we did talk about it awhile yeah I know yeah that'sthat's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► well I didn't even want to bring that up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:30 ◼ ► yeah it's all a joke just as a maybe as a woman and we're going to grant is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6330">TS</a>]
01:45:35 ◼ ► hey that guy's amazing i would love to have like were conversations with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6335">TS</a>]
01:45:44 ◼ ► bill yet he's smart smart like one of the smartest guys i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6344">TS</a>]
01:45:50 ◼ ► yeah because it was great working with them i really enjoyed it and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6350">TS</a>]
01:45:54 ◼ ► personally feel very I feel responsible for the failure of vespers a business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6354">TS</a>]
01:45:59 ◼ ► because that was really that was the only one that was yeah I do and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6359">TS</a>]
01:46:02 ◼ ► Brendan would disagree and Dave but would disagree maybe yeah I also did I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6362">TS</a>]
01:46:08 ◼ ► because I feel like that was my job Brent job was to make the appt to do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6368">TS</a>]
01:46:12 ◼ ► the all the engineering and David job was to do the design and make it look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6372">TS</a>]
01:46:17 ◼ ► great and work great and have a logic to it and you know I definitely work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6377">TS</a>]
01:46:22 ◼ ► certainly worked a lot on the design with Dave but I I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6382">TS</a>]
01:46:27 ◼ ► fundamentally my role as the director as we called it was to make sure what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6387">TS</a>]
01:46:33 ◼ ► doing is you know if anybody was responsible for make coming up with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6393">TS</a>]
01:46:37 ◼ ► idea and a business model that makes enough that we that we would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6397">TS</a>]
01:46:40 ◼ ► success that was me and well it's admirable that you think that but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6400">TS</a>]
01:46:47 ◼ ► yes here that's when you fuck i feel really let me put it this way i feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6407">TS</a>]
01:46:53 ◼ ► responsible for the failure but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6413">TS</a>]
01:46:59 ◼ ► does that make sense like yeah that's good that's good i'm not trying to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6419">TS</a>]
01:47:03 ◼ ► martyr about it i'm not trying to say oh you know for me you know you know feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6423">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► bad for me that I'm that I'm blaming me so that I do think that I should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:10 ◼ ► known I feel like in hindsight I like I wrote about I really feel like what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6430">TS</a>]
01:47:14 ◼ ► wanted to do I mean number one there's all sorts of things that like one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6434">TS</a>]
01:47:19 ◼ ► we agreed from the outset was that we didn't want to raise money we did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6439">TS</a>]
01:47:23 ◼ ► want to you know be funded in any way we wanted to effectively self-fund with as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6443">TS</a>]
01:47:28 ◼ ► they call it sweat equity where Brent could afford to spend it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6448">TS</a>]
01:47:34 ◼ ► you know the good part of the first year working on it before we made any money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6454">TS</a>]
01:47:39 ◼ ► you know that he was coming from from glass bored and you know had the luxury [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6459">TS</a>]
01:47:43 ◼ ► of being able to work for a while without making money any idea was we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6463">TS</a>]
01:47:47 ◼ ► would self-fund by doing the iphone version selling it making enough money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6467">TS</a>]
01:47:51 ◼ ► from the iphone version to you know sort of bootstrap the company financially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6471">TS</a>]
01:47:56 ◼ ► while we worked on the next stuff which was to do sync service figure out a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6476">TS</a>]
01:48:01 ◼ ► to you know whether it was building around which is what we wound up doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6481">TS</a>]
01:48:04 ◼ ► are using iCloud or Dropbox or something and then doing a mac version and selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6484">TS</a>]
01:48:09 ◼ ► that and then going forward from there with a effectively a system where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6489">TS</a>]
01:48:14 ◼ ► could be at your Mac or you can be on your phone and maybe depending on how we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6494">TS</a>]
01:48:19 ◼ ► did the sync service you could be on the just on the web and you could do it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6499">TS</a>]
01:48:22 ◼ ► anywhere and I really do feel like in hindsight I should have known better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6502">TS</a>]
01:48:27 ◼ ► we should have done the mac version first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6507">TS</a>]
01:48:29 ◼ ► I feel like that's an interesting choice and it's a typical I've we're all use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6509">TS</a>]
01:48:37 ◼ ► the way that most people don't even think you're doing a mac app I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6517">TS</a>]
01:48:42 ◼ ► agree with you but I'm what kind of a mack advocate and every love the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6522">TS</a>]
01:48:47 ◼ ► right and you're you know it is distilled you're probably have a mac at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6527">TS</a>]
01:48:53 ◼ ► yeah you know and for the same reason they did that the you and Chris you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6533">TS</a>]
01:48:59 ◼ ► did napkin as a mac app first and so far only you know I think we should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6539">TS</a>]
01:49:05 ◼ ► done the same thing with Vesper and I i wrote it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6545">TS</a>]
01:49:08 ◼ ► this I'm just repeating you can go read the article and daring fireball but i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6548">TS</a>]
01:49:11 ◼ ► think that Dave and I did the right thing where the schedule that we had was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6551">TS</a>]
01:49:14 ◼ ► that dave and i we you know where we agreed to to create the company was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6554">TS</a>]
01:49:19 ◼ ► singleton I had heard that actually at the bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6559">TS</a>]
01:49:23 ◼ ► yeah so at singleton 2012 Brent said he wanted to talk to me and dave and i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6563">TS</a>]
01:49:32 ◼ ► even remember who was speaking at the time it was friend of the show Glenn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6572">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► fleischmann so we look at you you snuck out on land [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:42 ◼ ► yeah I singleton was a conference a used to run for for the audience right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6582">TS</a>]
01:49:47 ◼ ► you totally duck down so during Glenn fleischmann stalk brenton dave and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6587">TS</a>]
01:49:53 ◼ ► went to the bar which was right next door so I mean we could vaguely here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6593">TS</a>]
01:49:58 ◼ ► Glenn's talk but if it was held in a nice hotel and there's a bar right next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6598">TS</a>]
01:50:02 ◼ ► door and we had a couple beers and and Brent said here's what I'm thinking I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6602">TS</a>]
01:50:07 ◼ ► you know I'm leaving class board soon i want to make you know I want to go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6607">TS</a>]
01:50:11 ◼ ► to doing in the apps what I would like to do is make an appt with you two guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6611">TS</a>]
01:50:14 ◼ ► I think that we would make a good team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6614">TS</a>]
01:50:16 ◼ ► I don't know what the idea is what do you guys think and we went from there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6616">TS</a>]
01:50:20 ◼ ► but that's where a dave and i instantly were like yeah I'm in let's figure this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6620">TS</a>]
01:50:24 ◼ ► out let's make a make it happen but the the timeline was that Brent wasn't he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6624">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► had months to go in class bored yet he was going to give notice and wine down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:33 ◼ ► you know very gracefully you know so we have lead is a professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6633">TS</a>]
01:50:38 ◼ ► yeah he left on you know that you know perfectly amicable terms but he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6638">TS</a>]
01:50:43 ◼ ► better but they were going to be months in advance where Brent wasn't spending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6643">TS</a>]
01:50:47 ◼ ► any time on Vesper which was fine and in fact we thought this works out great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6647">TS</a>]
01:50:51 ◼ ► because once we decided on the idea of this note app concept I Dave and I spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6651">TS</a>]
01:50:59 ◼ ► months going over to the the design before front row anything and I think in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6659">TS</a>]
01:51:03 ◼ ► hindsight I still think we did the exact right thing by designing the iphone app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6663">TS</a>]
01:51:07 ◼ ► first but i but i think that we should have as soon as we're done designing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6667">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► iphone app should have designed the mac app and then had Brent build that first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:15 ◼ ► and the reason I say that is that i really do think that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6675">TS</a>]
01:51:20 ◼ ► today's well if you plan to have an iphone app or mobile app in general if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6680">TS</a>]
01:51:23 ◼ ► you wanna include android you should design that first because that's where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6683">TS</a>]
01:51:27 ◼ ► all the constraints are going to be that's where the screen size is most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6687">TS</a>]
01:51:30 ◼ ► limited that's where they the features are less limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6690">TS</a>]
01:51:33 ◼ ► I mean we're all playing text guys one of the things i love about this percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6693">TS</a>]
01:51:36 ◼ ► it's a plain text app meaning there's no italic snowbowl you don't get to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6696">TS</a>]
01:51:40 ◼ ► the font don't get to make it bigger or if you do it's system wide so all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/6700">TS</a>]
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02:04:22 ◼ ► remember what the joke was it's probably had something that common mark down or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7462">TS</a>]
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02:04:44 ◼ ► you wanted to ask me about Vesper and I think we covered it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7484">TS</a>]
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02:05:33 ◼ ► on your phone it should keep working for a long time I mean it definitely still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7533">TS</a>]
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02:05:41 ◼ ► breaks it eventually something in iOS I guess we'll break it but I it might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7541">TS</a>]
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02:06:18 ◼ ► 32-bit apps are just not going to launch on iOS anymore i think that's eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7578">TS</a>]
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02:06:26 ◼ ► break but it might be many many years away because i don't think there's any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7586">TS</a>]
02:06:30 ◼ ► kind of change that big coming soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7590">TS</a>]
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02:06:43 ◼ ► still have people upgrade to it i don't know i actually don't know like so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7603">TS</a>]
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02:06:52 ◼ ► you want to upgrade to the one with export right you can get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7612">TS</a>]
02:06:56 ◼ ► despite the fact is not actually available for purchase will ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7616">TS</a>]
02:07:00 ◼ ► free download on the star yeah the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7620">TS</a>]
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02:07:16 ◼ ► sure maybe we could reconsider that maybe who cares just keep it yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7636">TS</a>]
02:07:19 ◼ ► got a bunch of new downloads more downloads since we made it free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7639">TS</a>]
02:07:23 ◼ ► more downloads then we had in the entire three-year history of it being which i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7643">TS</a>]
02:07:28 ◼ ► not surprised about it again I'm not complaining hi understand how this works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7648">TS</a>]
02:07:31 ◼ ► but there were times where we were selling it for as low as like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7651">TS</a>]
02:07:35 ◼ ► yeah you guys messed with the price bit and right because it was ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7655">TS</a>]
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02:07:45 ◼ ► it was most like it was far more successful in the first year I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7665">TS</a>]
02:07:48 ◼ ► corresponds to one it was most actively developed the first year sure most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7668">TS</a>]
02:07:51 ◼ ► successful was mostly for most of that time for 99 I think we were in like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7671">TS</a>]
02:07:56 ◼ ► hot christmas promotion where we lowered the price and then once we realize we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7676">TS</a>]
02:08:02 ◼ ► running out of steam financially weed you know what we have nothing to lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwzkn3w/7682">TS</a>]
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