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170: ‘Kicking Dirt on Them While They’re on Fire’, With Special Guest Ben Thompson

 

00:00:00   yeah hammering be one that was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/0">TS</a>]

00:00:02   they're doing the like grinding like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2">TS</a>]

00:00:04   don't like a saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4">TS</a>]

00:00:05   it's like sanding or something and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5">TS</a>]

00:00:07   funny because i was so actually this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7">TS</a>]

00:00:10   podcast is going to have a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10">TS</a>]

00:00:11   character than usual because as his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/11">TS</a>]

00:00:14   listeners outdated vast usually when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/14">TS</a>]

00:00:16   record it's it's I would say morning but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/16">TS</a>]

00:00:19   it's more like noon ish your time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/19">TS</a>]

00:00:21   it's like middle of the night my time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/21">TS</a>]

00:00:23   and I am usually drinking scotch right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/23">TS</a>]

00:00:25   now but now it is it is morning my time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/25">TS</a>]

00:00:29   in an evening your time which means i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/29">TS</a>]

00:00:31   drinking coffee and sparkling water so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/31">TS</a>]

00:00:33   my character may be different but yes we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/33">TS</a>]

00:00:35   also have to put up with environmental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/35">TS</a>]

00:00:37   noise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/37">TS</a>]

00:00:37   they've been doing it for a while now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/37">TS</a>]

00:00:39   and I i think i have gotten used to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/39">TS</a>]

00:00:42   so I don't even didn't even occur to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/42">TS</a>]

00:00:44   until I said don't like oh crap ever had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/44">TS</a>]

00:00:46   this stupid construction going on so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/46">TS</a>]

00:00:47   many out that's a long-winded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/47">TS</a>]

00:00:49   introduction to if there is weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/49">TS</a>]

00:00:50   grinding noises uh I I apologize because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/50">TS</a>]

00:00:53   it's not me it's the construction I to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/53">TS</a>]

00:00:57   drinking coffee in sparkling water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/57">TS</a>]

00:00:59   no you're gonna be up all night and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/59">TS</a>]

00:01:02   probably what I speaking of serenity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/62">TS</a>]

00:01:09   called why'd I have some follow-up here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/69">TS</a>]

00:01:11   forgot this last week I should've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/71">TS</a>]

00:01:13   last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/73">TS</a>]

00:01:15   serenity and I two episodes ago we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/75">TS</a>]

00:01:16   talking about my inability to I all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/76">TS</a>]

00:01:19   wanted to do it because i have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/79">TS</a>]

00:01:20   brand-new 256 gigabyte iphone and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/80">TS</a>]

00:01:24   the things i wanted to do is just put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/84">TS</a>]

00:01:26   all of my music on it because my music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/86">TS</a>]

00:01:28   library is let's see if i can find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/88">TS</a>]

00:01:32   here less than 250 621 gigabyte i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/92">TS</a>]

00:01:36   4,000 songs 21 gigabyte so you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/96">TS</a>]

00:01:40   not that big but you know big butt but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/100">TS</a>]

00:01:44   not not that big easily fits on 256 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/104">TS</a>]

00:01:48   gigabyte iphone and that way just put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/108">TS</a>]

00:01:51   all over there and then I never have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/111">TS</a>]

00:01:53   worry i get on an airplane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/113">TS</a>]

00:01:54   I can be out in the sticks I can I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/114">TS</a>]

00:01:57   lose my sim card and I've got all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/117">TS</a>]

00:01:59   music and there's that could for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/119">TS</a>]

00:02:03   life of me couldn't figure out how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/123">TS</a>]

00:02:04   it because i'm also using iCloud music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/124">TS</a>]

00:02:09   library like if I will didn't use iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/129">TS</a>]

00:02:11   music library I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/131">TS</a>]

00:02:12   could do it the old-fashioned way where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/132">TS</a>]

00:02:13   I just plug it into my mac by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/133">TS</a>]

00:02:17   lightning cable and then you'd in itunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/137">TS</a>]

00:02:20   go over to music and say sync everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/140">TS</a>]

00:02:22   and then hit a button and you know wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/142">TS</a>]

00:02:25   for it to be done and then boom there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/145">TS</a>]

00:02:27   all my music you can't do that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/147">TS</a>]

00:02:28   likely if you have icloud me music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/148">TS</a>]

00:02:30   library on when you go to music on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/150">TS</a>]

00:02:32   Mac when it's connected it just says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/152">TS</a>]

00:02:34   you're using iCloud music library do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/154">TS</a>]

00:02:37   all that way and serenity who knows a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/157">TS</a>]

00:02:40   lot more about this stuff than I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/160">TS</a>]

00:02:42   because she actually like we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/162">TS</a>]

00:02:45   write all these like detailed how to she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/165">TS</a>]

00:02:47   was stumped too anyway long story short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/167">TS</a>]

00:02:49   the best way to do this and I've just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/169">TS</a>]

00:02:52   I've so far I've got a bunch of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/172">TS</a>]

00:02:55   on Twitter Email whole bunch of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/175">TS</a>]

00:02:57   have given me the solution i'll put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/177">TS</a>]

00:02:59   link to it in the show notes it's but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/179">TS</a>]

00:03:02   long story short the way you can do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/182">TS</a>]

00:03:04   the only workaround the best worker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/184">TS</a>]

00:03:06   anybody can think of is you create a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/186">TS</a>]

00:03:08   smart playlists that matches all music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/188">TS</a>]

00:03:12   let's see what my criteria are groups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/192">TS</a>]

00:03:17   started playing music here if I edit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/197">TS</a>]

00:03:22   smart i tried to double-click a smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/202">TS</a>]

00:03:24   playlists to show the credentials here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/204">TS</a>]

00:03:26   if media kind are no match match music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/206">TS</a>]

00:03:32   for all of the following and I put size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/212">TS</a>]

00:03:35   is less than 300 megabytes so any audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/215">TS</a>]

00:03:38   file any music file that's less than 300 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/218">TS</a>]

00:03:41   megabytes and it'll be matched by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/221">TS</a>]

00:03:43   playlist and I said 300 megabytes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/223">TS</a>]

00:03:46   don't even know why it's arbitrary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/226">TS</a>]

00:03:47   arbitrary number but i have a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/227">TS</a>]

00:03:51   really big audio files that i do want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/231">TS</a>]

00:03:53   sink to the iphone like I have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/233">TS</a>]

00:03:55   area's been the criterion collection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/235">TS</a>]

00:03:58   Tommy's . James Bond directors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/238">TS</a>]

00:04:04   commentary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/244">TS</a>]

00:04:05   no I have not Merlin man turned turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/245">TS</a>]

00:04:09   me on to these long time ago so when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/249">TS</a>]

00:04:11   long story short when the first laser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/251">TS</a>]

00:04:15   discs of the criterion collection bond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/255">TS</a>]

00:04:19   movies came out like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/259">TS</a>]

00:04:23   the Connery arrow ones so you got like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/263">TS</a>]

00:04:26   you know Goldfinger and dr. no and from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/266">TS</a>]

00:04:29   russia with love the the commentaries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/269">TS</a>]

00:04:32   weren't approved by eon productions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/272">TS</a>]

00:04:35   that's there's some really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/275">TS</a>]

00:04:36   stuff on them like the editor I forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/276">TS</a>]

00:04:41   his name but the guy who edited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/281">TS</a>]

00:04:42   Goldfinger more or less through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/282">TS</a>]

00:04:47   director under the bus about some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/287">TS</a>]

00:04:49   totally mismatched shots and camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/289">TS</a>]

00:04:52   angles that made it a disaster to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/292">TS</a>]

00:04:54   together and once you hear him saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/294">TS</a>]

00:04:56   you can see a hunt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/296">TS</a>]

00:04:57   Peter Hunt exactly who went on to direct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/297">TS</a>]

00:04:59   on her majesty's secret service which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/299">TS</a>]

00:05:03   thought was a terrible movie but some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/303">TS</a>]

00:05:04   people love the fact that i was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/304">TS</a>]

00:05:07   thinking that but that's neither here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/307">TS</a>]

00:05:09   nor there but but Peter Hunt really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/309">TS</a>]

00:05:11   throws that was the I forget who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/311">TS</a>]

00:05:13   directed that was it a guy hamilton who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/313">TS</a>]

00:05:15   directed the Goldfinger i'm looking it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/315">TS</a>]

00:05:19   up or maybe that was the first 1i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/319">TS</a>]

00:05:22   royalty is didn't guy allen alright so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/322">TS</a>]

00:05:24   you could always adopt him he throws him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/324">TS</a>]

00:05:26   under the bus about some mismatch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/326">TS</a>]

00:05:27   footage and it's that opening scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/327">TS</a>]

00:05:29   where where bond is at the fountainbleau [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/329">TS</a>]

00:05:33   down in Miami and Felix Leiter shows up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/333">TS</a>]

00:05:37   and everything get started but shot the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/337">TS</a>]

00:05:39   shot some of it outdoors at like a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/339">TS</a>]

00:05:41   outdoor resort and some of it on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/341">TS</a>]

00:05:42   soundstage and it was just a mismatch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/342">TS</a>]

00:05:45   anyway once Eon Productions got you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/345">TS</a>]

00:05:48   you know they were like wow this is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/348">TS</a>]

00:05:50   is really some fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/350">TS</a>]

00:05:51   behind-the-scenes stuff when they listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/351">TS</a>]

00:05:52   to it they they made the criterion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/352">TS</a>]

00:05:54   people pull it from like future editions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/354">TS</a>]

00:05:56   so anyway I've got copies of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/356">TS</a>]

00:05:58   things as mp3 files they're almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/358">TS</a>]

00:06:01   almost 300 megabytes and so that's why i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/361">TS</a>]

00:06:04   picked up but anyway long story short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/364">TS</a>]

00:06:05   make a playlist smart playlists that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/365">TS</a>]

00:06:07   will match all music then you go over to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/367">TS</a>]

00:06:09   your phone and you can go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/369">TS</a>]

00:06:11   playlist and then you can hit the cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/371">TS</a>]

00:06:13   button for that playlist which was which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/373">TS</a>]

00:06:15   means download all the songs on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/375">TS</a>]

00:06:17   playlist but since the playlist matches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/377">TS</a>]

00:06:19   all of your songs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/379">TS</a>]

00:06:20   it will download all of your songs but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/380">TS</a>]

00:06:23   Apple seemingly goes way out of its way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/383">TS</a>]

00:06:25   to deliberately make that something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/385">TS</a>]

00:06:28   you can't do like is when you go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/388">TS</a>]

00:06:31   without going to playlist if you just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/391">TS</a>]

00:06:32   to all music there is no cloud button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/392">TS</a>]

00:06:34   yeah well I guess the question is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/394">TS</a>]

00:06:37   they deliberately go out of their way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/397">TS</a>]

00:06:39   make it difficult or is it just general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/399">TS</a>]

00:06:42   the the general the moai's that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/402">TS</a>]

00:06:45   case with itunes apple music I think in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/405">TS</a>]

00:06:47   this case it's deliberate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/407">TS</a>]

00:06:48   I think they want you to support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/408">TS</a>]

00:06:50   admission or sin of omission yes I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/410">TS</a>]

00:06:52   it's sort of like you're supposed but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/412">TS</a>]

00:06:53   it's very frustrating i think for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/413">TS</a>]

00:06:54   like I I don't know every single you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/414">TS</a>]

00:06:57   every year when my wife gets a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/417">TS</a>]

00:06:58   iphone there's a time where I I catch an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/418">TS</a>]

00:07:01   earful because she goes to the gym and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/421">TS</a>]

00:07:04   her iphone doesn't have any music on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/424">TS</a>]

00:07:05   even though share last one did and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/425">TS</a>]

00:07:08   she did a full backup and restore and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/428">TS</a>]

00:07:10   you know do everything you can to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/430">TS</a>]

00:07:11   make my new iphone just like my last one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/431">TS</a>]

00:07:13   and then there isn't every year none of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/433">TS</a>]

00:07:16   our music and she's you know like at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/436">TS</a>]

00:07:19   gym that she goes to there's no signal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/439">TS</a>]

00:07:20   you know you can't it's not like you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/440">TS</a>]

00:07:22   download the stuff every year and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/442">TS</a>]

00:07:25   don't have that I don't think it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/445">TS</a>]

00:07:27   much to ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/447">TS</a>]

00:07:28   yeah the the whole it's interesting I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/448">TS</a>]

00:07:31   haven't really thought about this a ton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/451">TS</a>]

00:07:34   but you know I use I streaming services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/454">TS</a>]

00:07:37   the various ones and it's funny because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/457">TS</a>]

00:07:39   I actually have its really frustrating I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/459">TS</a>]

00:07:41   i actually have a subscription to both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/461">TS</a>]

00:07:43   Spotify and Apple music and the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/463">TS</a>]

00:07:46   is that when i mentor thing we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/466">TS</a>]

00:07:49   harvesting a little bit when i'm bored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/469">TS</a>]

00:07:50   him in the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/470">TS</a>]

00:07:51   well drive with the kids like I was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/471">TS</a>]

00:07:53   to request songs and so using Siri is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/473">TS</a>]

00:07:56   obviously preferable when you're driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/476">TS</a>]

00:07:58   and so it's worth it for that but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/478">TS</a>]

00:08:01   like my stereo has like Spotify connect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/481">TS</a>]

00:08:03   which is which is really great like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/483">TS</a>]

00:08:06   can place of my phone or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/486">TS</a>]

00:08:07   interest in just playing on the stereo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/487">TS</a>]

00:08:08   it's not like it's kind of color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/488">TS</a>]

00:08:10   chromecast works where you control it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/490">TS</a>]

00:08:12   but it's not like streaming like airplay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/492">TS</a>]

00:08:14   which is it just it's a much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/494">TS</a>]

00:08:16   model works much better at least at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/496">TS</a>]

00:08:17   least for me and now like the amazon has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/497">TS</a>]

00:08:21   come out their service that will plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/501">TS</a>]

00:08:23   the echo we have we have an echo setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/503">TS</a>]

00:08:24   arm and was like 'well it boy that be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/504">TS</a>]

00:08:28   convenient it doesn't Spotify as well so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/508">TS</a>]

00:08:30   it works but yet this this whole like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/510">TS</a>]

00:08:34   yes there's the allure of having all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/514">TS</a>]

00:08:37   music and having access to it but and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/517">TS</a>]

00:08:40   there's like the upfront cost is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/520">TS</a>]

00:08:42   lower but the cost at the back end like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/522">TS</a>]

00:08:44   actually playing your music there's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/524">TS</a>]

00:08:46   these sort of hidden costs that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/526">TS</a>]

00:08:48   there and it you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/528">TS</a>]

00:08:50   I'm i'm ok i'm paying it for it now like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/530">TS</a>]

00:08:54   quite literally but the it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/534">TS</a>]

00:08:57   really it's funny the music industry is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/537">TS</a>]

00:08:58   all about like yes they were of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/538">TS</a>]

00:09:00   they're motivated to have their music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/540">TS</a>]

00:09:01   everywhere but they're reinforcing these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/541">TS</a>]

00:09:05   silos with with a sort of new model I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/545">TS</a>]

00:09:07   mean like if you have if you're not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/547">TS</a>]

00:09:10   all apple if you're not only all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/550">TS</a>]

00:09:11   whatever service you're kind of stuck in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/551">TS</a>]

00:09:14   the middle it is very frustrating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/554">TS</a>]

00:09:16   yeah and i don't know i don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/556">TS</a>]

00:09:18   much of it is related to the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/558">TS</a>]

00:09:20   if you buy say a 32 gigabyte iphone you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/560">TS</a>]

00:09:23   don't want your 20 gigabyte library sink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/563">TS</a>]

00:09:25   over and yes they have the optimized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/565">TS</a>]

00:09:27   storage feature for that for music and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/567">TS</a>]

00:09:30   have it for the photos too but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/570">TS</a>]

00:09:32   certainly would be very easy for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/572">TS</a>]

00:09:34   somebody with a 32-gigabyte device to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/574">TS</a>]

00:09:37   you know run up against the limit and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/577">TS</a>]

00:09:40   maybe that's why I don't know but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/580">TS</a>]

00:09:42   yeah that's a good point they probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/582">TS</a>]

00:09:43   sell more of the of the the world across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/583">TS</a>]

00:09:46   phone then if you look at the average [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/586">TS</a>]

00:09:47   selling prices that's it is waiting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/587">TS</a>]

00:09:49   that direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/589">TS</a>]

00:09:50   yeah and you know I i admit that i guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/590">TS</a>]

00:09:54   the idea of I want all of my entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/594">TS</a>]

00:09:55   music on my device all the time is sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/595">TS</a>]

00:09:58   of an old-fashioned I'm still thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/598">TS</a>]

00:09:59   like it's the ipod hero but I i actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/599">TS</a>]

00:10:02   find it useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/602">TS</a>]

00:10:03   o Allah or at least every time I try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/603">TS</a>]

00:10:06   every time I fly if I want to get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/606">TS</a>]

00:10:09   though it is i should do that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/609">TS</a>]

00:10:12   because I I mom might my eye I realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/612">TS</a>]

00:10:16   my big storage issue with phones and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/616">TS</a>]

00:10:18   I got this the first time you've gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/618">TS</a>]

00:10:19   the absolute largest one I i think is 64 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/619">TS</a>]

00:10:22   previously and and it i bumped up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/622">TS</a>]

00:10:25   against the limits or or this over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/625">TS</a>]

00:10:27   last year but my big culprit is his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/627">TS</a>]

00:10:29   podcast i think my the overcast app was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/629">TS</a>]

00:10:32   occupying like 16 gigabytes or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/632">TS</a>]

00:10:34   like that something ridiculous because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/634">TS</a>]

00:10:36   all I call QA was that I want to listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/636">TS</a>]

00:10:38   to our recommendations and i'll just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/638">TS</a>]

00:10:40   sitting in there and who knows if Oliver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/640">TS</a>]

00:10:43   listen to them but yeah it you can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/643">TS</a>]

00:10:45   that that's for me that's that's the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/645">TS</a>]

00:10:47   culprit where I keep my stuff that but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/647">TS</a>]

00:10:51   don't know it's we're talking before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/651">TS</a>]

00:10:54   did there's there's still like these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/654">TS</a>]

00:10:57   these rough edges of the having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/657">TS</a>]

00:11:00   everything in the cloud is convenient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/660">TS</a>]

00:11:02   but but yeah there . is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/662">TS</a>]

00:11:04   it's definitely one for me I travel a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/664">TS</a>]

00:11:05   lot and it's there's nothing more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/665">TS</a>]

00:11:07   frustrating than being in a a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/667">TS</a>]

00:11:10   where you just you just can't get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/670">TS</a>]

00:11:12   you're stuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/672">TS</a>]

00:11:14   I've actually actually speaking of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/674">TS</a>]

00:11:15   old-school itunes and ipod I got a so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/675">TS</a>]

00:11:19   this company called underwater audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/679">TS</a>]

00:11:20   waterproofs uh ipod shuffles and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/680">TS</a>]

00:11:24   said waterproof headphones so that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/684">TS</a>]

00:11:26   can listen well while swimming which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/686">TS</a>]

00:11:30   over it's up it's amazing like it did I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/690">TS</a>]

00:11:32   mean I've you know exercises are already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/692">TS</a>]

00:11:35   miserable enough but to be actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/695">TS</a>]

00:11:36   listen to podcasts whatever we're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/696">TS</a>]

00:11:38   it is is great the problem is and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/698">TS</a>]

00:11:41   took me awhile to figure this out is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/701">TS</a>]

00:11:43   I what about your podcast on to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/703">TS</a>]

00:11:45   shuffle which is already a pain to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/705">TS</a>]

00:11:47   to go i used itunes and it's not synced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/707">TS</a>]

00:11:49   with overcast sort of stuff but I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/709">TS</a>]

00:11:51   there into the pool and and i can't i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/711">TS</a>]

00:11:53   stuck on the first podcast and I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/713">TS</a>]

00:11:56   go to the next one you get the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/716">TS</a>]

00:11:57   button on the ipod shuffle what would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/717">TS</a>]

00:11:58   you expect to happen you think would go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/718">TS</a>]

00:11:59   to the to the next track it doesn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/719">TS</a>]

00:12:02   turns out that with the last ipod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/722">TS</a>]

00:12:06   shuffle you have to use voiceover it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/726">TS</a>]

00:12:09   turns out voiceover doesn't work very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/729">TS</a>]

00:12:10   well when you're in the pool so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/730">TS</a>]

00:12:12   there's no Mike idiot you can there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/732">TS</a>]

00:12:15   way around if I called down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/735">TS</a>]

00:12:16   voice-over button and then the next but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/736">TS</a>]

00:12:18   in the next buttons work it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/738">TS</a>]

00:12:20   super-complicated makes no sense at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/740">TS</a>]

00:12:22   but yeah anyways it's been it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/742">TS</a>]

00:12:24   really eye-opening but beyond that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/744">TS</a>]

00:12:26   like having to use itunes again and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/746">TS</a>]

00:12:27   actually sink stuff like manually manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/747">TS</a>]

00:12:30   things like you really appreciate this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/750">TS</a>]

00:12:32   idea that i can subscribe to podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/752">TS</a>]

00:12:34   regular music and it's just there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/754">TS</a>]

00:12:35   you don't have to think about it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/755">TS</a>]

00:12:37   actually have like pre planned on going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/757">TS</a>]

00:12:39   to listen to its it's like man we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/759">TS</a>]

00:12:41   live like savages for a long time huh a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/761">TS</a>]

00:12:46   good segue to my next bit of follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/766">TS</a>]

00:12:51   now this is from last week's show I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/771">TS</a>]

00:12:53   always say last week even though it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/773">TS</a>]

00:12:54   sort of like on a 10-day schedule but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/774">TS</a>]

00:12:56   the previous episode when that Ben not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/776">TS</a>]

00:12:58   bend your been at Matthew pants arena [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/778">TS</a>]

00:13:02   was on and we were talking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/782">TS</a>]

00:13:04   airpot and about how the biggest minus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/784">TS</a>]

00:13:10   the only significant the only serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/790">TS</a>]

00:13:12   minus about them to me is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/792">TS</a>]

00:13:14   don't have the little buttons for play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/794">TS</a>]

00:13:17   pause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/797">TS</a>]

00:13:17   and up down for volume and because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/797">TS</a>]

00:13:21   not so much the play/pause because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/801">TS</a>]

00:13:22   the the whole idea where you just take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/802">TS</a>]

00:13:24   the one out and it pauses and you put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/804">TS</a>]

00:13:26   back in and it plays works really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/806">TS</a>]

00:13:29   well in almost every situation in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/809">TS</a>]

00:13:31   in some situations it works even better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/811">TS</a>]

00:13:33   than the button because for me a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/813">TS</a>]

00:13:37   the times it's like if I've got them on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/817">TS</a>]

00:13:39   because i'm listening to something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/819">TS</a>]

00:13:40   i'm in a store like grocery shopping and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/820">TS</a>]

00:13:43   then I get to the register i always like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/823">TS</a>]

00:13:46   to take my headphones out or at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/826">TS</a>]

00:13:47   take one out so that I don't look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/827">TS</a>]

00:13:49   I'm listening to something and so to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/829">TS</a>]

00:13:51   integrate the play/pause and the taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/831">TS</a>]

00:13:54   out of a of a of it you know one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/834">TS</a>]

00:13:57   airport's it works great but what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/837">TS</a>]

00:14:00   what I miss is like the next track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/840">TS</a>]

00:14:02   previous track like the shortcuts like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/842">TS</a>]

00:14:04   by double-clicking they used to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/844">TS</a>]

00:14:05   to do and I said that you can't use Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/845">TS</a>]

00:14:10   to change the volume so when you double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/850">TS</a>]

00:14:11   tap one of the air pods and say like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/851">TS</a>]

00:14:14   turn the volume up or turn the volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/854">TS</a>]

00:14:17   down doesn't work you have to change the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/857">TS</a>]

00:14:19   volume either from your Apple watch if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/859">TS</a>]

00:14:21   you have one or by taking your getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/861">TS</a>]

00:14:23   to your phone and using the volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/863">TS</a>]

00:14:25   buttons on the phone turns out I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/865">TS</a>]

00:14:26   wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/866">TS</a>]

00:14:29   you can definitely change the volume by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/869">TS</a>]

00:14:31   Cirie you can do next track previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/871">TS</a>]

00:14:33   track I I did it the one time I tried it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/873">TS</a>]

00:14:36   i did try it and and I said turn the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/876">TS</a>]

00:14:39   volume up and I was outside that which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/879">TS</a>]

00:14:42   might have been the problem and serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/882">TS</a>]

00:14:44   said I'm sorry I can't do that John and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/884">TS</a>]

00:14:47   I took that as meaning that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/887">TS</a>]

00:14:48   completely understood what i asked but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/888">TS</a>]

00:14:51   was telling me that's I I can't do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/891">TS</a>]

00:14:53   and this is you know we might get back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/893">TS</a>]

00:14:55   to this later about Syria it my fault it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/895">TS</a>]

00:14:58   really is my laziness that but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/898">TS</a>]

00:15:01   interpreted that you know what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/901">TS</a>]

00:15:02   like it wasn't like she said sorry I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/902">TS</a>]

00:15:05   didn't understand you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/905">TS</a>]

00:15:07   she said I'm sorry I can't do that John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/907">TS</a>]

00:15:08   and so I took it as meaning volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/908">TS</a>]

00:15:11   control is something that was outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/911">TS</a>]

00:15:12   the control of Syria turns out I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/912">TS</a>]

00:15:14   completely wrong a couple people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/914">TS</a>]

00:15:18   their pods correcting me on that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/918">TS</a>]

00:15:19   obviously this is not many people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/919">TS</a>]

00:15:21   their pods at the time but then I tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/921">TS</a>]

00:15:24   it again and it does work you could say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/924">TS</a>]

00:15:26   volume up volume down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/926">TS</a>]

00:15:27   turn the volume up turn the volume down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/927">TS</a>]

00:15:29   next track go back a track previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/929">TS</a>]

00:15:32   track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/932">TS</a>]

00:15:33   I don't have a full list of it but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/933">TS</a>]

00:15:35   know there's synonyms that work like go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/935">TS</a>]

00:15:37   back a track in previous track are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/937">TS</a>]

00:15:39   same thing those small world cup can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/939">TS</a>]

00:15:42   can you do like this get 15 seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/942">TS</a>]

00:15:45   earth sort of thing I mean they like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/945">TS</a>]

00:15:47   the headphones if you would like I can i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/947">TS</a>]

00:15:50   use overcast if you so Marc was it up if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/950">TS</a>]

00:15:53   you double-click like it will skip 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/953">TS</a>]

00:15:55   seconds you can set the the whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/955">TS</a>]

00:15:57   whatever length you want I I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/957">TS</a>]

00:15:59   I don't know what happens in overcast I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/959">TS</a>]

00:16:01   suspect if I say next ride and try it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/961">TS</a>]

00:16:03   suspect if I said next track and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/963">TS</a>]

00:16:04   overcast it would just go to the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/964">TS</a>]

00:16:06   podcast I don't think yeah this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/966">TS</a>]

00:16:08   interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/968">TS</a>]

00:16:09   I don't think you couldn't do you know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/969">TS</a>]

00:16:10   mean i think i think with the clicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/970">TS</a>]

00:16:12   Marco could have could look into it in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/972">TS</a>]

00:16:14   way that I don't think Cirie would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/974">TS</a>]

00:16:16   enable but I well now we just have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/976">TS</a>]

00:16:19   follow up all over the next one cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/979">TS</a>]

00:16:21   aside next week a couple of people then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/981">TS</a>]

00:16:26   wrote and I don't think I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/986">TS</a>]

00:16:27   Matthew and I talked about it but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/987">TS</a>]

00:16:28   couple people said if you have like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/988">TS</a>]

00:16:30   of the pains in the butt if you do have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/990">TS</a>]

00:16:32   the watch it's a little bit easier if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/992">TS</a>]

00:16:34   you need if you don't want to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/994">TS</a>]

00:16:35   serie to do it but you still have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/995">TS</a>]

00:16:38   bring up like if you're in a workout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/998">TS</a>]

00:16:39   which is often the situation I'm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/999">TS</a>]

00:16:41   where I do want to adjust the volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:42   like I'm out running and like it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:46   noisy like if I'm running through a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:48   noisier traffic neighborhood i want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:49   turn the volume up because i can't hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:51   any more on the watch you still have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:55   poke around a little bit to get to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:57   screen where you can adjust the volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1017">TS</a>]

00:17:01   like you that you you know the easiest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1021">TS</a>]

00:17:02   way in my opinion is to just get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:04   now playing glance which I keep is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:08   first glance so it's usually not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:10   know it's like one tap tap on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:11   sidebar then tap on now playing and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:14   once you're on now playing you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:15   actually change the volume by spinning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:17   the crown which is really really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:19   when your fingers are sweaty or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:21   something like that you have to poke at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:22   the little buttons on screen but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:24   would be kind of nice if you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:25   somehow set a preference so that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1045">TS</a>]

00:17:27   there's music playing right now three or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:29   either your phone or the watch that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1049">TS</a>]

00:17:32   could use the crown from like the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1052">TS</a>]

00:17:35   face to change the volume because right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:37   now the crown on the watch face does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1057">TS</a>]

00:17:38   nothing could be kind of nice if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:40   could change the volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:41   so when you when you spend the crown on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:43   the watch face it does it doesn't longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:45   zoom into like that app you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:48   ok and watch os3 it does nothing and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:51   doesn't do they actually if you're on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:53   the app you it does Jim you back towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:56   the watch face right but one you're on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:59   the watch face what he used to do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:01   watch us to is it gave you the time time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:03   travel or whatever they called it may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1083">TS</a>]

00:18:07   well used to be that you would assume in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:08   yeah i do it was funny because I i I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:10   observed people who are technical users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:13   and that was for sure one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:15   that always gotten frustrated like I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:17   actually my god . who was used to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:20   wearing an Apple watch is asking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:21   it you know how you liked it and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:23   generally liked it but that was he like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:25   that the fact that he's like it keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:28   coming in and I don't know why like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1108">TS</a>]

00:18:30   was the one thing that was driving a map [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:31   the wall so I didn't realize that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:33   have changed i guess im so accustomed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:35   not even touching it that that I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:37   notice but I think in general I would I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:39   would be surprised if you know I clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:42   i think we were were definitely an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:45   agreement this like Apple there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:48   some unfortunate decisions that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:49   made about how to watch what should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:51   used in version one I think they kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:53   they went too far down the road of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:55   prescribing how people would use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:56   instead of waiting to understand how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:58   people wanted you know what actually use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1138">TS</a>]

00:18:59   it and one of the casualties of that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:02   think was the functionality of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:03   buttons in general and so the acid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:05   awakened in version one pressing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:07   button was like the whole contacts like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1147">TS</a>]

00:19:10   personal communication crap whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:11   which is now completely gone but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:14   general I think there's still that sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:16   of it's not fully realize the potential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:18   those buttons like that but the button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1158">TS</a>]

00:19:21   should be much more usable and I bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:23   over time become even more usable in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:25   apps and same thing with the digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:26   crown like what you're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:28   makes perfect sense of music is playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:29   why shouldn't that be volume and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:31   especially if they're gonna pursue this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:34   focus of being health and fitness wear a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:36   touchscreen that that's like the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:38   possible scenario for a touchscreen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:41   it's an example of how the there they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:44   kind of the health and fitness focus is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:47   a is was clearly not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:51   what they're thinking about from day one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:53   it was a part of it but it wasn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:54   the thing that is for I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:56   things they would have done differently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:57   and and one of those things would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1197">TS</a>]

00:19:59   gone differently is how those buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:01   are used and so I would imagine in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:03   watches for for example they're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:05   move even more to those buttons being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1205">TS</a>]

00:20:07   actual used in the crown being actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:09   usable controls right now if you're in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:13   workout you and you have you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:16   workout thing is on your you know on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:20   your better you see when you're you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:22   because you're doing a walk or run or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:23   something when you spin the crown it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:25   just changes the focus from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:27   different things on the screen like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:28   I'm trying and I'm doing a fake run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:30   right now as I spin it down it goes from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:33   the elapsed time to the active calories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:35   to the Part B you know and just focus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:37   changes focus i would i would find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:40   much more useful to have that change the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:41   volume honestly but that's just me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:45   yeah well I think idea and I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:47   again this is one of those things where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:48   they change so much and always three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:50   they're really just fundamentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:51   changed how the operating system worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:54   and you're not going to get everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:55   in kind of one goal is just fine like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:57   think that's the that's the mistake i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1257">TS</a>]

00:20:59   think they made in version one like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:00   it was over it was over prescribed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:03   way you want to use it without really i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:05   think having an understanding how people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:07   would use this time you go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:08   did this is what made the the the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:12   phone in particular so you know so smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:15   is whether there's this classic story in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:18   InDesign talk like i'm sure you've heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:20   a million times but out where there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:23   some school or whatever where they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:25   built up this whole new area of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:26   campus or something like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1286">TS</a>]

00:21:28   instead of putting in sidewalks then put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1288">TS</a>]

00:21:30   it like this really nice grass and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:32   they observed where the grass got worn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:34   down and then they put sidewalks there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:36   and like that'sthat's just stay there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:39   and you can see there's other examples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:41   where there's like a path and right next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1301">TS</a>]

00:21:43   to it there's like worn-down grass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:44   because people are taking like little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:45   shortcuts and stuff like that and with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:48   the phone in particular Apple really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:50   took sort of the grass approach where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:53   they got the basics there they got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1313">TS</a>]

00:21:55   browser they got a phone they got ipod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:57   and then the last breast of it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1317">TS</a>]

00:21:58   really you know that . where folks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:02   you know Craig Hockenberry whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:03   we're figuring out the API and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1323">TS</a>]

00:22:05   building you know side-loaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:07   applications i think was really valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:09   to to help Apple really understand what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:13   needed to be built it and how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:15   should go about you know opening up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:17   API and what things might be possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:19   and that's the exact opposite process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:22   they did with the watch like the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:23   that it was it was they did too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:26   there wasn't enough of a sort of open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:28   canvas to figure out what works and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:31   doesn't and now they're having to kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:33   of unwind what they did before and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:35   thatthat's just going to take time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:37   don't know if that that story is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:38   apocryphal or not the story about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1358">TS</a>]

00:22:40   pads on campus but I remember it's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:43   story though it's a great story and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:45   there's a truth to it because i remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:46   a truck soul when i was there in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:48   late nineties there were definite dirt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:51   paths through grass you know that word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:54   they're obviously there forever that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:57   clearly they should have you remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1377">TS</a>]

00:22:58   when i first heard that story I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1378">TS</a>]

00:23:00   specifically about certain areas if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:05   anybody went two directions then I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:07   know if they even called the campus at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:09   drexel has changed so much since i went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:10   there but we used to be you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1390">TS</a>]

00:23:12   called it the quad the section off a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:15   market street there definitely was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:20   mean it couldn't have been more exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:22   like that story like here's a plate you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:24   know you're supposed to walk all the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:26   over there and go around this building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:27   and everybody just cut through right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:29   here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:30   I can't think of two examples in Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:32   history where the apples done that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:34   but they're both like classic met you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:36   remember the classic mac OS you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:37   use the mac back then did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:39   I I do remember it i denied but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:41   goodnight and two things I can think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:43   would be command tab where that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:46   was a windows invention or you'd hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:49   command tab and originally in command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:52   tab in Windows you would just cycle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:54   through apps in most recently used order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:57   and it was you know obviously windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1437">TS</a>]

00:24:01   users took to it but then we're we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:03   really became a good interface was when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:06   they put up the heads-up display that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:08   showed you where you know all of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:11   apps in most recent order so you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:14   see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:14   oh I need to go for to get 2x [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:17   well you know right actually see it used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:19   to not have that heads-up display it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:21   would just switch through the apps you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:23   know and you'd find out what chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:24   you're getting to each time you hit tab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:26   and it became a thing where they were i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:30   don't know three or four competing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:31   third-party utilities for mac OS that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:35   did the exact same thing and everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:37   had one of them installed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:38   I mean it was the I i don't think i dont [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:40   it was one of those things where I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:41   know anybody who didn't and eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:43   Apple acquiesced I don't know which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:45   version of mac OS it was but they added [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:50   it as a as a system-level thing and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:52   think they've delayed on it because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:54   think there was a sort of reluctance to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:56   add anything that came to windows first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:58   to the mac it you have probably and any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1498">TS</a>]

00:25:02   other like the other one I could think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:03   of was the old Apple menu used to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:07   be a rich in the original mac OS the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:09   Apple menu had i think it's i think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:14   has still had like about they had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:17   about for like whatever happier in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:19   about this app would be like the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:20   item in the Apple menu and then the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:25   of it was just a list of your desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:27   accessories which were like the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:30   in this is for super old is like going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:32   back to the eighties back west which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:33   were the little love in das terms what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:36   they used to call them tossed a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:37   in a way to get multitasking like little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:43   in-app with a resident in Resident I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:45   have no I I got nothing for you haha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:47   well I think of it but anyway desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:50   accessories were little things that ran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:52   within the memory of dick app itself so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:55   that the calculator and the there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:58   thing called the scrapbook which is sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:00   of like a clipboard history so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:02   keep like little snippets attacks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:04   third-party utilities came up that made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:06   the Apple menu way more useful see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:08   you could put like an alias to your hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:10   drive in there so you can just go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:11   apple menu go down to your hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:13   and get a hierarchical list of every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:15   folder you know so you wouldn't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:17   go to the finder and go to your hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:19   drive and double-click on a folder and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:20   double-click on a folder and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:22   double-click you just go to your Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:23   menu go to your hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:25   go to applications go to utilities and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:29   then launched that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:30   up from that folder that you wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:31   or wherever you wanted to go but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:33   instead of leaving a whole history of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:34   windows behind of each folder you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:36   to you too it's just a hierarchical go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:38   list of menu and then event in everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:41   and that was another one of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:42   where everybody had one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:43   utilities and the one that I used was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1603">TS</a>]

00:26:46   called now menus . it's really going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:48   back but eventually Apple added that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:50   the system as well it was a gay if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:52   everybody's got this you should get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:53   ought to be part of the system yet the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:56   only it's funny the only the two add-ons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:59   that I still depend on now is one is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:03   from windows and it because when i use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:05   Windows I'd like there's shortcuts to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:08   manage to move your windows around so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:10   you can like snap your windows just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:11   side of the one side of the desktop or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:13   to another or things like in do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:14   kinds of things so once i have one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:17   those on the mac and i use one called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:19   better snap tool but it that's amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:21   but that's super nice about Apple will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:23   ever had that but the other thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:26   it's funny because this is it for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:29   is arguably the single thing that keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:31   me using a backhand serve like a of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:34   Chromebook or or and I pottery thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:38   a clipboard manager it like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:40   unbelievable how often I use something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:43   like that and how much more powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:45   that makes that makes using using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:48   computer but again I guess they buried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:50   to those are pretty nice that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:51   already used all the taking up all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:53   all the wall hanging fruit and which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:55   clipboard manager duties is one called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:58   copy and paste use lon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:01   yeah use launch bar but watch for had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:02   this weird bug where it would just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:05   won't work after a while and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:07   eventually fixed it after it was around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:08   for years and people complain about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:10   kept saying was apple's fault like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:12   other over the government have a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:13   but yes I used uh I don't remember why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:16   got it I i mean i got it for when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:20   would need a replacement most so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:22   a good review somewhere but I've see no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:24   reason to switch works well for me you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:26   get it keeps a bunch in there you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:27   stuff like if you if you've copied stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:30   you can paste as plain text super easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:32   you can make everything all capitals or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:33   take away all the capitals like it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:35   was like text transformation on stuff as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:37   well if you need so yeah but there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:39   bunch of them out there i think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:40   all pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:41   the ones i've used our launch bars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:44   built-in one which I kind of don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:46   the display of but it is actually what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:49   i'm using right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:52   keyboard maestro your keyboard maestro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:55   yeah I've heard of it I I i can if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:57   tried it by boy i strode does so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1737">TS</a>]

00:28:59   stuff keyboard maestro is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:01   utility it's you could you make record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:03   macros that do all sorts of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:05   really just sort of automated you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:07   multi-step you can automate the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:09   GUI really but it also is sort of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:13   can if you want to act as like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:14   TextExpander where you type you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:17   TLA and it expands to three letter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:19   acronym or somethin like that and it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:21   a clipboard history keyboard maestro his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:24   clipboard history is searchable which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:26   actually kinda neat and keyboard my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:28   school's out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:28   that's the i would be awesome keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:30   maestro has a heuristic that looks for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:33   things that look like a password and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:36   and bullets them out so and like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:39   only keep some as forget what else it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:42   does it for that if it's just a visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:43   thing or if it if it only lets you copy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:47   you know actually paste it when it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:48   topmost thing but whatever it does it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:51   actually never never want someone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:53   did the wrong thing for me like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:55   heuristic is so smart about it that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1795">TS</a>]

00:29:58   however it is that it works it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:00   smart about about identifying things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:03   that look like wow that looks like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:04   week you know like at a password that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:08   that somebody would make up for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:09   like a password utility would make up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:11   that doesn't get exposed and then one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:13   that's most recent which i've used by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:15   using beta but I it hasn't stuck with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:18   is pay spot from the tweet but guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:20   yeah I I the the searchable one it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:24   be super valuable I think good because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:26   when i do the daily updates particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:28   where those usually have more quotes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:31   links then then my weekly articles do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:33   like I will accumulate the ton of weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:37   in the process of writing just one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:38   them and yes sometimes particularly if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:41   want to look something up like I write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:42   about something that i forgot excited of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:44   having like I will end up like well over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:47   a hundred times every single day after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:48   I'm finished writing these it's which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:50   ridiculous i have food fight it's easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:52   to just this is how you get a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:54   tabs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:55   instead of going through my tabs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:56   find the article i'm looking for his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:58   open a new window and go to my clipboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:00   manager and I know the links in there we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:02   can I i just used it but if I can search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:04   that would make it even better at yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:06   it's I it's funny the weird things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:09   you end up doing that are just make no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:11   sense at all but you fall into these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:12   patterns so alright i will put links to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:14   all of those absent in the shop that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:17   where AI and for the record I i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:21   this is why I don't know six or seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:23   time on here and I got a message i woke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:26   up to a message from you including notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:28   notes for the podcast i was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:30   impressed i think that that is a first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:31   so for the record uh the talk show is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:35   getting ever more organized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:37   uh chuckles deal we're doing it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:39   same thing we talked about it on with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:41   the pantry and last we're using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:44   iCloud shared notes which is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:46   pretty pretty useful it is except that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:50   the only way I ever forever and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:53   except i'm not i'm not in Syria I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:55   update my mac for usually a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:56   months after after the update arm but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:59   the idea doesn't sync to my icloud on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:01   the mac right Pete but that might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:04   just going on the current version but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:06   reminds me of like the one of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:08   irritations I have with like Apple uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:11   like when they do web app so i have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:14   open in the browser now because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:15   that obviously sinks but i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:17   the reason why would Apple web apps like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:21   try to mimic like desktop apps but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:25   makes them frustrating to use because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:27   you know doing something browser isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:29   as efficient or faster as good of a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:32   user experiences using a native app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1952">TS</a>]

00:32:34   without question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:35   whereas there are some web apps that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:37   use like I do all my writing a web app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:39   11 called draft draft in common is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:42   awesome but it's it's it's a web-like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:46   embraces it being a web app and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:49   gettin that's the case for all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:51   products like if you embrace the medium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:53   that you're on the user experience can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:55   be really great but if you're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:57   like mimic one that's from somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1977">TS</a>]

00:32:59   else it's it's not not nearly as good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:01   anyhow that that is just sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:03   random sort of observations and I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:05   that is the first time i've used the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:07   these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:08   thinking or sharing no thing for notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:11   so it's weird i've been doing it for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:13   couple episodes now but I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:14   running I'm like you I'm very reluctant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:17   then and it's always seems like I've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:19   something open i don't want to restart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:20   even just restart the machine i still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:22   haven't updated my imac to Sierra so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:25   that's where I record from so i have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:27   on my phone and the phone has the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:30   fancy new share this note with somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:32   and get the changes sync feature but my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:35   max version doesn't so and then you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:37   the idea to to use the iCloud web app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:40   which never even occurred to me because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:42   i never used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:43   I never use the iCloud web apps for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:44   anything other than find my iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:46   alright but it's weird too because it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2026">TS</a>]

00:33:50   does try to mimic a desktop app but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:53   it's it's not it doesn't look anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:58   like the matter the mac version and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:00   doesn't look like the ipad version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:02   either it's like this it it it does look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:06   like a desktop app but it doesn't look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:08   like a Mac one and it doesn't look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:09   an iPad app yeah who knows what's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:13   on and there's all that it's I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:14   understand anybody uses web apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:16   it's because it's like i tried to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:18   the shortcut shift command H to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:22   text header which works in you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:25   a keyboard shortcut i know from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:26   desktop version of note but of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:28   safari ate that keystroke and tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:31   take me home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:32   yeah but it was great it was smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:35   université do you want to do you sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:37   you want to do that because you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:38   unsaved changes in this text editing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:40   field i would much rather an app that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:43   just like written in the old 1999 HTML [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2083">TS</a>]

00:34:48   yea though the ones that I use like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:51   their ones that like that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:53   they're pure web one there . they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:56   there for the web like just unabashedly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:59   and there's something I think like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:00   think is one of the reasons why google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:02   docs something especially it's gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:03   better now but you know was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:05   frustrating visit kinda was trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:07   mimic a desktop interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:09   I mean obviously doctors some amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:11   things particularly the collaboration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:12   stuff and all that but i think though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:14   the apps that i actually like using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:17   web and like-for-like the writing one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:18   for example it's just like playing field [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:20   and you get the benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:21   the web app where stuff saved instantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:23   and and if anything happens like to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:26   computer are you never lose data ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:28   like it's to me it works very well but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:32   the the other thing that I do that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:34   think makes it much more tolerable is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:36   you know speaking of mac utilities is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:38   fluid where you feel like a single-site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:40   browser and then you can make an icon so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:42   basically when I open like drivers and / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:45   or WordPress or MailChimp like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47   various you know web apps that I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:49   frequently they all have their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:51   they're like their own apps and you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:54   click you make it in fluid and you click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:56   it and it opens up with its own icon in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:58   the dock and separate and so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:00   buried in my hundreds of tabs like its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:02   own distinct entity and to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:04   that's that's another app I cannot live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:07   without like if I actually had to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:10   web apps inside a browser like just I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:13   so disorganized in general would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:14   would be intolerable but fluid-like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:15   makes it makes it feel like a normal app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:19   which is just a professional standpoint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:21   i have used fluid in the past for once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:25   or twice when I had to use a web app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:26   because it's sometimes you wanted to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:28   a command tab target but it's it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:30   like a real at all it's terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:32   no I mean from a navigational standpoint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:34   I know your point where you can find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:36   very easily and i can go to it but again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:38   but well I think when you get apps that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:42   are mimicking desktop apps in the wind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:45   and weather they feel awful but like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:47   again just use like draft as an example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:49   like you open it up and you open an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:51   article and all it is is it's a blank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:53   page and you type and it's basically a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:55   text editor and it handles markdown and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:58   stuff like that so it i find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:00   there's lots of benefits i find from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:02   being a web app including particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:04   the blanket state like I've never ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:06   watched stuff that I've written ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:07   because even if my computer with a crash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09   or or something like that doesn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:12   corrupted it it's just is it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:13   there in to me it because it's it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:17   trying to do too much not try to put all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:19   these all these menu bars there and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:21   in make it feel like its word but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:24   it's on the web kinda like Google Docs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:25   does not all that sort of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:27   it's perfectly it's not it's more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:31   tolerable it's it's it's downright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:32   enjoyable to use and those are the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:34   that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:35   I really I really appreciate it i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:37   i've been awhile then I know that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:40   people of our generation losing data on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:43   your computer used to be like part of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:46   part of life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:48   the outfit is just like you'd felt guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:50   this is my lucky day right like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:53   your system would freeze up the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:55   would just crash and vanish no apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:58   the old days did autosave you were stuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:01   with the last time you ever hit command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:03   s and everybody had a horror tale I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:05   don't think it ever really happened to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:06   me in a catastrophic way but everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:07   knew somebody at least it wasn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:09   you had to know somebody who knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:10   somebody whose brother you knew somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:12   who had happened to where they open up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:14   in a word or whatever they use hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:16   command and started writing a paper got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:19   to the end and that's when you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:21   maybe when they went to hit print the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:22   print driver crashed and because they'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:25   never saved the whole thing was gone it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:27   was all your nightmares Fear available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   and there was nothing you could do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:31   brutal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:31   there was no like cash of of temporary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:34   save files there's no no matter how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:36   of an expert you were computing there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:38   was absolutely nothing you could do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:40   we just accepted that all well I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:42   should hit hit command and I got weighed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:44   ourselves rather than others but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:48   and it was actually that was the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:50   reason that was a common scenario was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:51   that that first command ass was sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:53   a pain in the ass because you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:55   pick a location and then pick a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:56   name and subsequent command asses are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2336">TS</a>]

00:38:59   always very easy because is nothing else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:01   to do you have already given it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:02   location in a name and the command ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:04   you just you know in the old days she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:06   did after wait you have to wait like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:07   second or two for the actual file to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:09   write but it was nowhere near as much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:12   a cognitive hurdle of that first command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:15   ass would you know you know the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:17   interface i think this is one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:19   ways that the original mac team got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:21   wrong was in in those days if that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:23   it was going to be where there was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:24   autosave when you hit command and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:27   instead of immediately giving you a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:29   untitled window it should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:30   immediately forced you to pick a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:32   location in a file name whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:36   something that before you get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:38   window where you can start typing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:40   should have had to pick a location [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:42   filename [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:44   why do that I think so one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:46   that's great about iOS and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:48   another use web apps is the because iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:52   from the was from the ground up kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:54   designed that way and apps in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:56   are always saving and are always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:57   thinking you know thinking what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2397">TS</a>]

00:40:00   have the cloud there's no I distinct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:02   sort of save process it's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:04   integral 22 how they work so i have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:06   lot of apps where I have a ir s version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:09   and then i have the web version on on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:13   mac and i like those because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:15   always in sync constantly whereas ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:18   that have a mac app and ones that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:20   an iOS app the mac app that the sink is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:22   never like perfect every time like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:24   me like it if I don't trust the sink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:27   that it's going to be synced up every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:29   single time like it almost like to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:33   that's trumped like the user interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:34   like of like using a native app which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2434">TS</a>]

00:40:37   do prefer native apps in general but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:40   I don't have full confidence that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:42   going to be synced every single time i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2442">TS</a>]

00:40:43   will put up with the with the web app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:46   just to have that that knowledge is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:47   always there occurs to me having it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:49   always available is key and I know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:51   Apple you know tried to sort of rejigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:55   the document model was it back in Lyon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:57   to make it more iOS like yeah but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2457">TS</a>]

00:41:00   problem was you know I think the I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:02   that still drives me up the wall like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:05   actually I that's one reason I stopped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:06   using i work i know they sort of added [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:09   it back in bits and pieces and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:11   terminal commands you can get to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:13   restoring the same as button and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:14   but I now you hold on I'll show me it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:17   was ours no I think that you can add a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:19   personalized there's a terminal command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:21   you can have it on the menu permanently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:22   have to press option every single time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:24   but the I destroyed so many documents by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:28   forgetting to like duplicate and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:30   the autosave is up its well it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:33   the passing like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:34   once you have the muscle memory and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:36   you're used to doing a certain way even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:39   if that's not the best way like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:41   it's it it was for people who are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2501">TS</a>]

00:41:43   have been using it for years it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:45   too late it and but anyhow so now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:49   not accusing what apps but like that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:52   the right kind in the right context that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:53   I like them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:55   uh I were 43 minutes and we have talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2515">TS</a>]

00:42:00   anyway long story short the airplane at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:02   the airport their pods do have serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:04   happens that was the best digression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:06   ever i will say this is one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:09   those serie commands for controlling the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:11   audio on the air pods they do work I end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:13   and they've worked remarkably well ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:15   since it was pointed out to me that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:17   work i don't know why it failed for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:18   the first time but they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:21   instantaneous it's the double tap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:24   there's a moment before you hear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:26   Serie okay I'm listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:28   and then there's a moment after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:29   before it'll actually catch everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:31   you say so it works but it's nowhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:34   near as instantaneous is just clicking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:36   the button on your another the earphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:39   cable to just go volume up volume up or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:41   something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:42   interesting how the the silver the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:45   controls that you have on their pods are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:47   trigger Siri or take them out of here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:49   and pause right yeah it's just there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:50   no extra like there's nothing else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:52   there's no and there's no options for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:54   like triple clip you know you DoubleTap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:56   for Siri there's no way to say that if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:58   triple tap or quadruple tap or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:00   like that to do something else maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:02   they'll do that in the future maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:03   because it's a little you know finicky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:06   overall this is not a dealbreaker be for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:08   me by any part I the only headphones i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:10   want to use other than the ones I used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2590">TS</a>]

00:43:12   for podcasting our airports it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:15   know it is though the only minus i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:17   think of with them now that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:20   interesting i I'm I'm worried i know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:22   said that they fit better than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:23   regular year ones that which don't fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:25   in my ears at a at all so I'm gonna I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:28   gonna get them i'm very intrigued by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:29   them but that that specific point is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:33   a little bit it's weird i can see both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:34   both have been situation where I both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:36   want to take them out of my ear but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:38   I also have to hit pause so that idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:39   about doing it once is is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:41   compelling for the same situation if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:43   want to talk to somebody on you and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:44   know you want to take take take out your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:46   ear but at the same time I'm worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:49   about fit and I'm worried about the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:52   having that control i use that I use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:54   clicker either beats ones and I use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:56   clicker all the time i did too at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2636">TS</a>]

00:43:58   beach ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2638">TS</a>]

00:43:59   alright let's take a break and thank our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2639">TS</a>]

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00:44:10   backup for the mac and for a pc i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:15   know I've never used to pc so you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2655">TS</a>]

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00:44:27   during fireball I say this every time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:32   wish that they would stop sponsoring the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:34   show because they would write to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:35   say sorry John nobody's signing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:38   anymore because everybody listens to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:39   talk show is signed up for back place i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:41   would love it would make me feel better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:42   even though I i do like the money that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:45   they sponsor the show I would feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:47   better knowing that everybody was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:49   listening to this show has some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:52   offline out of their office backup use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2692">TS</a>]

00:44:56   it in addition don't use it you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:57   have to use it as your only backup you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2697">TS</a>]

00:44:59   good theory i think backup is the 11 of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:01   those things that really should be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2701">TS</a>]

00:45:04   know you should have multiple layers of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:05   it so use time machine use super duper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:08   or something like that to make a clone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:09   of your startup disk do those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:12   hard drives external hard drives are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:13   relatively cheap you can buy them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:15   know especially if you get the spinning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:16   disk once you can get them just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:18   backup and they're so cheap do it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:21   having a backup that's off site is such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:24   a I say it every time it makes you sleep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:27   better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:28   it is such a relief to know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:30   everything and back place has no limits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:32   you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:33   well I'd like to sign up but I've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:35   giant you know hard drive full of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:38   these movies and and photos I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:41   to have to decide what I back up and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:43   is unlimited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2743">TS</a>]

00:45:44   it doesn't matter you pay five bucks per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:47   Mac per month five bucks a month for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:50   each mac and it doesn't matter how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:51   you have they'll just back it all up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:53   only hitch is that it just takes longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:55   for that initial backup to actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:57   upload everything you've got so the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2757">TS</a>]

00:45:59   data you have yes it there's no magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:02   that will let 10 terabytes update in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:05   hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:06   it's not going to happen but however [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:07   long it takes once is updated it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:09   you know incremental e runs from there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:12   it i have never noticed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:14   I mean I've been talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:18   problems with some other apps that take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:20   up space i often have Activity Monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:23   running and I'm looking at apps that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:25   taking up too much cpu I've never seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:27   back plays pop up in my list of cpu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:29   usage and never slows down your machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31   i have no idea when it runs i don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:33   i just said it to the default settings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:35   and let go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:36   I never noticed and it's always there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:38   and when I have checked just to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:39   what's in my back place it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:41   up-to-date it is an amazing service the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:44   mac software is written by former Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:46   engineers it's totally native it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:48   a simple control panel in the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:50   preferences and there's no gimmick for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:52   additional charges there's no trick to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2812">TS</a>]

00:46:54   this five dollars a month per device to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:56   the thing that's the offer and that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2816">TS</a>]

00:46:58   so go to backpage.com / daring fireball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2818">TS</a>]

00:47:01   then don't know you came from here you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:03   get 15 days to try it free do that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:06   won't be charged a nickel before then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:08   and then you just start paying after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:10   that so my thanks to back place go sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:12   up for them sign up your parents signed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:14   up anybody you know I get everybody back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:17   tub i am a happy customer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:24   it's a great service alright what else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:26   we got on the agenda you see on twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:28   i tweeted a couple like a week or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:31   ago that Amy's watch fell apart I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:34   yes it is funny because you why didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:38   you describe what happened but my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:39   has been complaining that her watch is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:41   getting really bad at heart rate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:43   monitoring up its going to have heart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2863">TS</a>]

00:47:45   yeah I don't sell it sell that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:47   guarantee it she's probably like three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:48   weeks three weeks the head of a me so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:52   that's what happened so what happened he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:54   has a 13 millimeter stainless steel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:56   Apple watch that we have the same it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2876">TS</a>]

00:47:59   just very early maybe even ordered like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:01   when they first went on sale and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:04   know they were famously backordered for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:06   a while so sometime in May of last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:07   year's when she got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:10   she's worn it not necessarily every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:12   but she's worn it most days and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:14   loves it for the fitness tracking it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2894">TS</a>]

00:48:16   first and foremost a fitness tracker for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:18   she was it when she works out she wears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:21   it the filler circles everyday and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:24   couple weeks ago my question exactly she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:26   just started vaguely again it's she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:28   blames me for everything that goes wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:30   with every Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:31   it's not even like she asked for help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:32   she's blaming me that and she blamed me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:36   that she was getting less do credit less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:38   credit for things and you know like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:42   things like a workout in the gym maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:43   you know some days you were feeling it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:47   and you know you're more motivated or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:48   you have more energy and you you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:50   you you know an hour doing the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:52   exercise maybe you do burn more calories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:54   because you're you know you were more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:56   into it but she was getting less 4 u'r [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:59   calories burn counted even for things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:01   like walking to school to pick Jonas up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:04   if she said like a walk then which you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:06   think would should be very very close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:08   every single day and usually used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:10   and hers was very low and then she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:12   upgraded to watch os3 and it went the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:14   other way and she started getting like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:15   seemingly extra credit for her calories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:19   burned and she she didn't complain as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2959">TS</a>]

00:49:20   much then but she still thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:21   something was flaky and then the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:23   day about a week ago and then she woke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2963">TS</a>]

00:49:26   up and she went to take your watch off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:27   the charger and then the whole back just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:30   stuck to the magnetic charger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:32   yea even mention that so after my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:35   was away literally like two days after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:37   you you you talked about that she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:40   complaining of the same thing about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:41   tractor working so he took the charger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:43   and I was like did it like a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:45   times attaching and detaching think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2985">TS</a>]

00:49:47   would pop off it hasn't popped up yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:49   but the same situation she's wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:51   pretty much daily since she got at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:53   same time . and as the exact same same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:56   model has exactly . so yeah I and I i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/2996">TS</a>]

00:50:00   looking forward to getting a look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:01   larger internets apparently so it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:03   like a common fair i tweeted a picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:04   of it and and cracked a very snarky joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:09   because I happen to follow a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:12   other watch things on Twitter and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:15   forget who was what was the company pet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:17   Patek had came out with a new watch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:21   I right tweeted the same day I should i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:24   treated a link to this new protect watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:27   and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3027">TS</a>]

00:50:29   you know which is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3029">TS</a>]

00:50:30   twenty-five-thousand-dollar dive watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:33   and I said I wonder what type of glue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:34   attackies to seal the case and I of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:39   course and i have to wait too many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:40   wonderful way to do a 23 I can't tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:43   something like that without having two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3043">TS</a>]

00:50:44   or three four people think I'm being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:47   serious and then they were like protect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:49   doesn't glue their watches together John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:51   and it was i guess i know i don't--it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:54   you feel bad and kind of make fun of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:56   them because they're trying to help but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:57   it is the earnestness and their replies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3057">TS</a>]

00:50:59   that it it i get that sometimes as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:03   so but the other the more interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:06   things I got a whole bunch of replies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:08   from people who are like same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:10   happen to me same thing happened to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:11   seems like it's more common with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:14   stainless steel once at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:17   anecdotally based on Twitter followers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:19   who tweeted me about it it because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:22   wasn't only steel ones but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:24   primarily steel ones and knowing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:26   the aluminum sport models selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:29   greater quantity you would think that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:31   it was as likely to happen to any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:33   watch it would be mostly the sport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:34   models so i think that the problem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:36   more typical with the steel I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:38   if it's because they went through a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:41   different you know production line and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:43   that was the production line where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:44   problem was I don't know if it was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:46   the gluttony maybe they use the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:47   glue but that glue and he's better to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:50   aluminum than to steal could just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:53   honestly if you think about it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:55   just be Apple has you know what 10 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:58   of expertise working with aluminum and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3118">TS</a>]

00:52:01   stainless steel is relatively new to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:03   their now that's brought that's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:05   the that's probably the explanation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:07   right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:08   but anyway long story short a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:09   bunch of people wrote and said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:11   happened to them they took it to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:12   apple store and it was you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:14   gotta wait you can't they don't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:15   give you a replacement on the spot but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:16   they take the watch away and and give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:18   you a replacement even if it's out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:20   warranty and Amy's was out of warranty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:22   because we have never bought apple care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:24   for any apple products since 1991 so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:28   did I took it to the apple store i did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:31   not seem to be recognized which I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:33   always worried about cuz i want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:34   report on this as I you know like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:36   if I'm just a normal apple customer what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:38   are you what happens when you take your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:40   Apple watch it after it falls apart on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:42   the charger i'm pretty sure that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:45   people that the genius guy i dealt with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:47   did not you know you didn't recognize me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:50   and you know as soon as I describe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:52   problem he was you know started typing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:54   it into his his ipod their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:56   accommodations you know before do well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3176">TS</a>]

00:52:59   he didn't he heard it didn't seem at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:02   first and any looked it up and had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:03   type in the serial number and then when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:07   he described the problem he said oh good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:09   you know even though this is our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:11   warranty that I can cover this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:13   and it seemed new to him and then he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:14   and he laughed and said the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:18   question I'd already told him how it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:19   know how it was discovered that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:21   wasn't dropped during just pulling it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:22   off the charger and he said though he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:24   said the first question is did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:25   customer discovered the problem-- [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:27   removing the watch from the charger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:29   yeah so it did my own thing the end is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:31   known system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:32   yeah it's so known that there's a chain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:34   through the you know how did this happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:36   that begins with did it happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:39   pulling the watch off the charger so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:42   know as we record the watch is in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:45   325 day will tell you when it comes back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:48   . i'm curious if they're gonna if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:51   replace it if they're going to replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:52   it with a series 0 or a serious one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:57   yeah that's a good question the the yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3237">TS</a>]

00:53:59   that was the trouble with the app i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:01   kinda want because I'm never on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:02   swimming thing that now so i kinda want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:05   to get the the well first off great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:09   Hockenberry is a apparently a popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:11   guess that's what he's written about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:12   that he's been using the original apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:15   watch for swimming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:16   ever since he got it and let me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:17   ocean where it's it's probably i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:19   imagine the corrosiveness is is more and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:21   more problem but the problem is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:24   workout app does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:26   you can't get the swimming on the rig on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:29   the original watch even with right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:30   updated OS like apples just not included [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:33   so you have to get a new watch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:35   problem is I i mean i i've kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:38   stopped wearing the app Washington [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:40   day-to-day things like for me the I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:42   trained my notifications so much that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:44   when i get a notification I almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:46   always wanted you deal with it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:48   phone anyway I'm just super aggressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:51   about not getting hardly any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:52   notifications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:53   but and the delay and looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:55   time was just the that was kind of it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:59   got benefits i I've back to a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:01   watch most of the time but i would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:04   to i'd still like to track you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:06   the actual exercising so I want to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:09   maybe i'm considering a new one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:11   the problem is I personally just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:14   find the aluminum ones good looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:16   all like to me the stainless steel still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:18   looks so much better and actually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:19   one that was really great is the is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:21   white one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:22   so the problem is like I can't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:23   justify getting the the new edition 12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:27   years while are right it might have just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:29   using it for four workouts like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:31   maybe I'll start wearing a day today I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:32   like well now we are at I don't know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:34   i i'm i'm stuck in paralysis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3334">TS</a>]

00:55:36   uh right now but we'll see i'll probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:39   i'll probably one of this work one side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:41   I think it would be I should anyway just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:44   to see what it's like how its improved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:46   relative to the current one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3346">TS</a>]

00:55:47   yeah anyway that was my story about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:50   Apple watch so I wonder I I i will I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:54   look for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:55   I don't look for it but it sounds like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:57   will be corroborating it soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3357">TS</a>]

00:55:58   exactly symptoms that that that you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:00   you want to talk about I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:04   spend a long time on it but this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:06   story of dash the developer of the dash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:11   app anybody has been reading daring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:13   fireball of the last week with no it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:15   long story short i do you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:20   summarize it its it's such a weird story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:23   yeah i think that i think that the i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:26   personally don't want to spend on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:28   Tidewater in part because it's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3388">TS</a>]

00:56:31   kind of unclear there's a new story that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3391">TS</a>]

00:56:32   there is a Richie wrote this morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:34   that I haven't fully read that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3394">TS</a>]

00:56:35   apparently is more details are coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:37   out and as well as things like it needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:41   there's gonna be inherent speculation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:43   here i think the only the only comment I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:46   would have liked it sounds like this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:47   made some mistakes and probably you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:50   what's the saying like that the cover-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:52   is always worse than the crime right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:54   like wasn't fully transparent about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:57   about his situation and so it's easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3417">TS</a>]

00:57:01   look at it and putting balance and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:02   well apple gave him a chance and with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:04   into the stuff and he did these bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3424">TS</a>]

00:57:06   things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:06   any kind of way the situation is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:08   against the other the only I guess the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:10   only push back i would have to that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3430">TS</a>]

00:57:13   we're dealing on one side is the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:17   corporation in the world where this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:18   particular developer and app doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:21   make any difference to their bottom line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:24   and this other guy where like that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:25   is his life it is it's his job and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:29   changes sort of the the moral calculus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:31   for lack of a better term like it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:34   like this guy definitely screwed up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:36   he kind of covers his tracks and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:39   could be a very moralistic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:41   legalistic about and say like sorry you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:43   screwed up like apples justified here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:44   and that's not wrong but i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:48   it's it it's on apple and you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:51   situation with google with like YouTube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:53   accounts being suspended or adsense like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:55   that money disappearing like this happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:57   again and again where the balance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3477">TS</a>]

00:58:00   power and the balance of injury is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:02   out of whack that I think it behooves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:06   the sort of big players to to have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:10   grace and more understanding and end it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:12   hopefully that's the way it's gonna work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:13   out but i had i think that that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:15   main point make this isn't like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:16   one-to-one like who's right and who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:17   wrong you have to consider like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:19   where the consequences of these actions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:21   and you know hopefully it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:23   work out in the end for this guy me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:25   selling and out for developers so him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:28   not being in the Indian Mac App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:30   particular it will you will probably be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:33   okay arm but any out that this might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:36   have a big picture sort of observation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:38   about the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:39   yeah it's the developers name is bugged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:41   out pronounce it closely close enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:43   he's from Romania and bogdan popescu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:46   he's still I think is fairly young and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:51   it was confusing at first because we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:54   more or less the little story is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:55   there were two developer accounts tide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:57   they were related to the same bank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3537">TS</a>]

00:58:59   accounts and credit card and the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3539">TS</a>]

00:59:01   account was full of smokes leeches easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3541">TS</a>]

00:59:04   apps and the other account only had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3544">TS</a>]

00:59:09   dash apps and dash is a an API browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:15   and snippet browsers and snippets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:17   meaning you can enter your own little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3557">TS</a>]

00:59:18   snippets attacks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:19   frequent like if you do tech support or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:20   something like that you have a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:22   frequently used responses you can invoke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:25   dash type a couple of letters to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:27   saved snippet you want and boom there it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3567">TS</a>]

00:59:29   is pasted into your email and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:32   really great app i have it i don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3572">TS</a>]

00:59:34   enough programming anymore that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:36   really been useful but i can see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3576">TS</a>]

00:59:38   it's super super useful i know that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:42   know it people use it even instead like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3582">TS</a>]

00:59:44   mac developers use it instead of xcode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:47   four document browsing it's so good it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3587">TS</a>]

00:59:49   you know and you know for people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3589">TS</a>]

00:59:52   doing things that are not xcode like PHP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3592">TS</a>]

00:59:54   or pearl or something like that it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:57   be way better than the document browse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:57   be way better than the document browse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3597">TS</a>]

01:00:00   documentation that typically invoke like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:01   through terminal or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3601">TS</a>]

01:00:04   it's a really well regarded app there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3604">TS</a>]

01:00:07   an iOS version and stuff like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:08   people at first when this guy's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:10   developer account that what Apple did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:11   first was yank all of it they are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3611">TS</a>]

01:00:14   taken off the store and this guy said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3614">TS</a>]

01:00:15   hey I they said I did a preview fraud I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:18   don't you know I didn't do that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:20   people really did and I think rightly so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:22   and I think it was it was the right way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:24   for the community to go we're like hey I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:26   believe this guy because his apps don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3626">TS</a>]

01:00:28   look scary at all i use them in love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3628">TS</a>]

01:00:30   it's a good apps and you know it went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:33   from there and i think it was you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:35   think it was good i didn't link to it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3635">TS</a>]

01:00:37   first and i'm glad i didn't I felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:39   my spidey-sense kicked in because I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:41   felt like there was something fishy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:42   going on like it just didn't seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:44   the whole story was outside i didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3644">TS</a>]

01:00:46   think i will say i feel a little bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3646">TS</a>]

01:00:51   that i wrote about this when I got I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:53   I got to talk to apple the day that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:56   they said no they should a statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3656">TS</a>]

01:00:58   about what happened and I link to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:02   polls report about it because I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:03   want to post a major article about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:06   myself but I ended up doing so anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3666">TS</a>]

01:01:09   but I felt a little bad posting about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:14   when I did because it seemed like it we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:16   were only getting Apple side of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:17   story and my instinct was we should wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3677">TS</a>]

01:01:20   to hear the passenger side too but I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3680">TS</a>]

01:01:23   getting on an airplane i was away for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:25   the weekend and I didn't want to wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3685">TS</a>]

01:01:27   four hours or trust that i'd be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:29   work on the Wi-Fi which is in hindsight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:32   I and I feel like it worked out i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:34   feel like i wrote anything that i had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:35   retract or anything like that but it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:38   hindsight I felt like I feel like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:40   was kind of a bad decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:42   I feel like I should have I should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3702">TS</a>]

01:01:44   been willing to completely miss the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3704">TS</a>]

01:01:45   story or be way late on it then only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:50   only here one side of it even though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3710">TS</a>]

01:01:53   think Apple side was more right than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3713">TS</a>]

01:01:54   wrong yet the other the other big point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:58   I would make is an eyesight and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:01   hard to know for sure what Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:02   thinking was around this but I certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3722">TS</a>]

01:02:03   saw this on twitter at is people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:07   being very skeptical always someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:08   would share their credit card or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:09   share a bank account like that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:11   absolutely reality in lots of country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3731">TS</a>]

01:02:13   and I i think that you don't in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:15   states the idea that you would and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3735">TS</a>]

01:02:17   is a for sure this is apple's biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:20   error for sure like they didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:21   said they were sending the notifications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:23   to the fraudulent account not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:25   though the two accounts were joint right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:27   so because they assume that in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:30   credit card they must be the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3750">TS</a>]

01:02:31   developer but when I was that and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:33   don't do this not just because I live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:35   internationally but when i was at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:36   Microsoft working we were setting up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:37   windows app store originally this was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3757">TS</a>]

01:02:39   one of the biggest problems we had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:41   deal with it was very difficult is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:43   like Apple you the developer counts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:46   needed to have a credit card years ago a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3766">TS</a>]

01:02:48   nominal cost and but it turns out it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:51   really hard to get a credit card in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:53   countries of the world and even if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3773">TS</a>]

01:02:55   do have a credit card it often doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:56   work with a us-based transaction because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3776">TS</a>]

01:03:00   for fraud or whatever or they just want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3780">TS</a>]

01:03:02   to internet the only work inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:03   country and it was like a multi-month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:05   project to get workarounds for this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:08   work so there's a point being like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:10   idea that two to assume that because to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3790">TS</a>]

01:03:13   account system credit card there winked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:15   that's in lots of countries that may not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:18   be the case is very reasonable that may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:20   not be the case and I think so it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:23   reaction generally there was enough of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3803">TS</a>]

01:03:25   an appreciation that might be the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:26   anything like that really article he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3806">TS</a>]

01:03:29   says that the other person was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:31   his mom that's what he was being kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3811">TS</a>]

01:03:33   cagey about it but those particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3813">TS</a>]

01:03:36   details i think i just have wildly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:40   different reactions of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:41   immediately assume that that sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:43   ridiculous and fraudulent from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:44   reactions like that I can completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3824">TS</a>]

01:03:47   believe that's the case and the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3827">TS</a>]

01:03:48   thing with apple is now that the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:51   store in this decision making is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:52   up to Phil Schiller the phil schiller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:55   did not set up the app store that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:57   under Eddy Cue and the reason why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3837">TS</a>]

01:03:59   think that's relevant is he didn't I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3839">TS</a>]

01:04:03   don't know but it's writing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:05   reasonable to presume that film may not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:09   be familiar with the these sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:12   things like the hassles of credit cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:14   in different countries and bank accounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:16   and why they might be combined just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:18   because he's piece Dahmer doesn't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3858">TS</a>]

01:04:20   but he didn't have to go through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3860">TS</a>]

01:04:21   pain of figuring out all the workarounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:23   to get that set up by Eddie cutie man to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:25   figure that out this out the edges music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:26   store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:27   that's not the app store the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:28   and if you don't even know about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3868">TS</a>]

01:04:31   then immediately it sounds super super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3871">TS</a>]

01:04:33   sketchy whereas if you do know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:35   that and so my initial reaction and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:38   was to be told believe it news it's was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:42   super believable if you understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3882">TS</a>]

01:04:43   circumstances of different countries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:45   that are this infrastructure isn't there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3885">TS</a>]

01:04:48   and i still think that I I think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3888">TS</a>]

01:04:51   more like the cover-up is worse than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3891">TS</a>]

01:04:53   that I i think in broad strokes there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3893">TS</a>]

01:04:56   probably like his story i think is is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3896">TS</a>]

01:04:59   still tend to think it's mostly tried he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3899">TS</a>]

01:05:01   absolutely made mistakes and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3901">TS</a>]

01:05:03   where I get to that sort of my original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:04   point what if you weighed in the balance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3904">TS</a>]

01:05:06   did he make mistakes it seems clear he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3906">TS</a>]

01:05:08   did but when you consider that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:12   take the totality of the situation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3912">TS</a>]

01:05:14   understanding different markets and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3914">TS</a>]

01:05:16   credit card thing the bank of thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3916">TS</a>]

01:05:18   it's starting again developer it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3918">TS</a>]

01:05:20   be nice to have a little more slack and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3920">TS</a>]

01:05:25   and mercy for lack of a better word in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3925">TS</a>]

01:05:27   this situation and then I do hope it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3927">TS</a>]

01:05:30   turns out the long run I definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3930">TS</a>]

01:05:31   suspected you and I are on a slack where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3931">TS</a>]

01:05:35   we talked about this before when public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:36   and I was early on thought hey I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3936">TS</a>]

01:05:39   there's an english as a second language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:40   problem here you know because I suspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3940">TS</a>]

01:05:42   that purpose cuse you know speaks but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3942">TS</a>]

01:05:47   now I now know romanian is his first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:49   language and english as a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3949">TS</a>]

01:05:50   language has written English is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3950">TS</a>]

01:05:51   excellent truly excellent and I can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:54   why some people would notice it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3954">TS</a>]

01:05:56   see certain telltale signs that say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3956">TS</a>]

01:05:57   there's a certain stiffness to it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3957">TS</a>]

01:06:00   to me reads like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3960">TS</a>]

01:06:00   english-as-a-second-language and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3960">TS</a>]

01:06:03   out matter how good it is it it went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3963">TS</a>]

01:06:05   with didn't you know this firsthand when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:07   you-know-who living in taipei that the e [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3967">TS</a>]

01:06:11   nuance is the hardest thing to get right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3971">TS</a>]

01:06:13   it's in a cell and this is a situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3973">TS</a>]

01:06:17   that required nuanced and I definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3977">TS</a>]

01:06:20   think that there was i I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3980">TS</a>]

01:06:24   there was certain bits of nuance that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3984">TS</a>]

01:06:28   slip between the cracks and i think at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3988">TS</a>]

01:06:30   to your point about you know that credit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3990">TS</a>]

01:06:33   cards and bank accounts from Romania [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3993">TS</a>]

01:06:36   that work with us credit and bank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:39   account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:39   itunes systems and stuff like that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:41   were some cultural differences that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4001">TS</a>]

01:06:45   we're even harder to match up because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4005">TS</a>]

01:06:50   the english as a second language thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4010">TS</a>]

01:06:52   and I'd the whole thing to me was I it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4012">TS</a>]

01:06:54   no matter what the true story is I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4014">TS</a>]

01:06:57   can't help but think that this was sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4017">TS</a>]

01:06:59   of a perfect storm of problems where by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4019">TS</a>]

01:07:03   which i mean that part of the blow up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4023">TS</a>]

01:07:06   Twitter against apple when this when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4026">TS</a>]

01:07:10   this guy's account was initially yanked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4030">TS</a>]

01:07:12   was sort of and rightly so for now maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4032">TS</a>]

01:07:15   i rightly so but justifiably so I of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:19   from the developer community of wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4039">TS</a>]

01:07:21   here's a world where your entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4041">TS</a>]

01:07:24   livelihood can be pulled by apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4044">TS</a>]

01:07:28   they don't even show you the evidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:29   against you know which is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4049">TS</a>]

01:07:33   terrifying and you know Brent sentences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4053">TS</a>]

01:07:39   written wrote a good piece about that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4059">TS</a>]

01:07:41   agreed with largely that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4061">TS</a>]

01:07:43   there's there's a reason why you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4063">TS</a>]

01:07:45   that the foundation of like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4065">TS</a>]

01:07:48   most modern judicial systems you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4068">TS</a>]

01:07:51   involved the right to be able to face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4071">TS</a>]

01:07:53   the evidence that you're charged with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4073">TS</a>]

01:07:56   you know that the the government can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4076">TS</a>]

01:07:58   just come and say we know that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4078">TS</a>]

01:07:59   committed this crime so therefore you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4079">TS</a>]

01:08:02   going to prison doesn't work like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4082">TS</a>]

01:08:05   well this isn't a judicial system this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4085">TS</a>]

01:08:07   isn't the law of the land applets within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4087">TS</a>]

01:08:08   apples rights as a private company to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:10   what they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:12   I i do think though in hindsight as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4092">TS</a>]

01:08:16   more of this story has come out as as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:18   much of it has i think the one thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4098">TS</a>]

01:08:20   can look at and say well there's a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4100">TS</a>]

01:08:21   know Apple surely deals with actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4101">TS</a>]

01:08:23   fraud outright fraud on a daily basis I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4103">TS</a>]

01:08:27   don't think they're the appstore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4107">TS</a>]

01:08:29   anti-fraud team is very busy seven days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4109">TS</a>]

01:08:32   a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4112">TS</a>]

01:08:33   ah i think it's something that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4113">TS</a>]

01:08:36   the first time in all the years the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4116">TS</a>]

01:08:38   store has been up that we've something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4118">TS</a>]

01:08:40   like this has come to light we're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:41   you know somebody might have been had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4121">TS</a>]

01:08:43   their account pulled and maybe shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4123">TS</a>]

01:08:46   have write about them are probably just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4126">TS</a>]

01:08:48   the pure fraudsters so they disappear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4128">TS</a>]

01:08:50   and no one notices it was the it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:52   fraud account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4132">TS</a>]

01:08:53   don't tied to the legitimate account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4133">TS</a>]

01:08:56   that I think made this made this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4136">TS</a>]

01:08:58   unfortunate and ya know in a2 and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4138">TS</a>]

01:09:03   very fair . it's the same thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4143">TS</a>]

01:09:05   with google and youtube in any of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4145">TS</a>]

01:09:07   other sites that deal with this i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4147">TS</a>]

01:09:08   they're they're dealing with scale and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:11   it's it's hard that I from an individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:15   perspective unless you've actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4155">TS</a>]

01:09:16   worked at these at these companies will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4156">TS</a>]

01:09:18   destroy before where I think it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4158">TS</a>]

01:09:20   my second day at microsoft and I was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:22   like some business real like a monthly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:24   business review sort of meeting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4164">TS</a>]

01:09:25   they're just going down this list and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:26   talk about OLX percentage in Brazil and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4166">TS</a>]

01:09:28   Bobby stern yearbook and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4168">TS</a>]

01:09:30   mind-blowing like just the casualness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4170">TS</a>]

01:09:32   that they were talking about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4172">TS</a>]

01:09:33   massive regions of the world and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4173">TS</a>]

01:09:35   the user numbers and engagement and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:37   stuff like that and you get used to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4177">TS</a>]

01:09:39   after a while once you're there but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4179">TS</a>]

01:09:42   scale that these companies are operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4182">TS</a>]

01:09:44   on they can't you know there's there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4184">TS</a>]

01:09:47   limit between doing all sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4187">TS</a>]

01:09:48   one-on-one judicious review and needing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4188">TS</a>]

01:09:50   to have systematic approaches and I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4190">TS</a>]

01:09:54   find it encouraging that you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4194">TS</a>]

01:09:57   phone call I posted that Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4197">TS</a>]

01:09:58   engaging someone I still it i am still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4198">TS</a>]

01:10:01   unclear why it happens only when all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4201">TS</a>]

01:10:03   press release and in did this big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4203">TS</a>]

01:10:05   I would have liked to but I can I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:08   have sympathy for for both sides i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4208">TS</a>]

01:10:10   been fortunate to see both sides and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4210">TS</a>]

01:10:13   it is a challenge for both is if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4213">TS</a>]

01:10:16   Apple because you're dealing with scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4216">TS</a>]

01:10:18   like I said what was that Microsoft I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4218">TS</a>]

01:10:20   got used to the scale stuff like it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4220">TS</a>]

01:10:22   became normal but that's it's it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4222">TS</a>]

01:10:24   normal it's a very it's a very sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:26   narrow way to view the world just view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4226">TS</a>]

01:10:30   it at scale and not to forget about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4230">TS</a>]

01:10:33   individual sort of level and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4233">TS</a>]

01:10:35   see that happy you could see how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4235">TS</a>]

01:10:37   could happen on the management side and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4237">TS</a>]

01:10:40   you have a sort of mismatch of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4240">TS</a>]

01:10:42   individual perspective versus the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4242">TS</a>]

01:10:44   unmask perspective and it's a hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:46   problem it's a hard one for both sides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:48   and one of the things i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4248">TS</a>]

01:10:51   exacerbated by the cultural things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4251">TS</a>]

01:10:53   the and the International things in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4253">TS</a>]

01:10:55   language things one of the things that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4255">TS</a>]

01:10:56   most extraordinary about it though is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4256">TS</a>]

01:10:58   that we know from and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4258">TS</a>]

01:11:01   and you know right or wrong but one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4261">TS</a>]

01:11:03   the things that popescu did was required [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4263">TS</a>]

01:11:05   work hard to fuck off from apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4265">TS</a>]

01:11:07   developer relations and we know from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4267">TS</a>]

01:11:09   guy from Apple who spoke to him that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4269">TS</a>]

01:11:10   this clearly did percolate up to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4270">TS</a>]

01:11:12   level where Phil Schiller was fully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4272">TS</a>]

01:11:14   aware of it right which is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4274">TS</a>]

01:11:16   amazing you know in terms of the scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4276">TS</a>]

01:11:18   and in terms of where this got to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4278">TS</a>]

01:11:20   the this you know one man you know indie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:24   developers problems with being somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4284">TS</a>]

01:11:27   tied to a different account or a joint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4287">TS</a>]

01:11:30   account however you want to put it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:31   what should happen whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4291">TS</a>]

01:11:33   percolated up to the point where Phil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4293">TS</a>]

01:11:35   Schiller was fully informed on it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4295">TS</a>]

01:11:36   and was making decisions on which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4296">TS</a>]

01:11:38   really kind of extraordinary yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4298">TS</a>]

01:11:40   i'm not sure if it's a good thing right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4300">TS</a>]

01:11:41   the it kind of speaks to their being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:44   lack of process here right now i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4304">TS</a>]

01:11:46   sure if that's your decision that should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4306">TS</a>]

01:11:48   populate that that high but again they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4308">TS</a>]

01:11:50   might have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:51   I either i think there was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4311">TS</a>]

01:11:52   extraordinary circumstances here is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4312">TS</a>]

01:11:54   the combination of legitimate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4314">TS</a>]

01:11:56   instrument right whereas most processors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4316">TS</a>]

01:11:58   are just a legitimate so they would they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4318">TS</a>]

01:12:00   get cotton that are deleted no one knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4320">TS</a>]

01:12:02   no one cares right was that it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4322">TS</a>]

01:12:04   combination here and an apple tying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4324">TS</a>]

01:12:07   those two accounts together because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4327">TS</a>]

01:12:08   the same credit card and and not sending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4328">TS</a>]

01:12:11   the notices to the account as a whole is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4331">TS</a>]

01:12:14   sending it to the fraudulent account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4334">TS</a>]

01:12:15   right but anyhow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:17   hopefully I i hope it works out I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:19   bad for the guy you know it's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:21   those things you . they always should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:23   have been more clear and upfront what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:24   exactly was going on in and rebuild [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4344">TS</a>]

01:12:26   everything but it was like if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:28   in the same situation and the old good i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4348">TS</a>]

01:12:32   guess i think there but for the grace of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4352">TS</a>]

01:12:34   god go i sort of thing and end with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:36   tremendous gratitude that my business is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4356">TS</a>]

01:12:37   based on the on the open web and is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4357">TS</a>]

01:12:39   a closed ecosystem with no side loading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4359">TS</a>]

01:12:42   no way around the sort of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:44   gatekeeper all right I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4364">TS</a>]

01:12:47   enough heard a short segment on dash but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:50   hopefully I great same way i hope that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:52   somehow this still works out such that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:54   dash can get back into the app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:55   because it really is a good app and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4375">TS</a>]

01:12:57   really do think ultimately the guy has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4377">TS</a>]

01:12:59   good intentions and you know the quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:02   of the work is yeah and like just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4382">TS</a>]

01:13:03   the death penalty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:05   I mean it's not physical death but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4385">TS</a>]

01:13:08   death of like the app in his company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4388">TS</a>]

01:13:10   hey I mean maybe I'm just a softy but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4390">TS</a>]

01:13:12   seems that seems like a bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4392">TS</a>]

01:13:15   bummer yeah well the good news is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4395">TS</a>]

01:13:18   worst-case scenario still got the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4398">TS</a>]

01:13:20   that map that he can the mac app can run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4400">TS</a>]

01:13:22   outside the app store and do his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4402">TS</a>]

01:13:24   he's already had you know it you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4404">TS</a>]

01:13:26   already get it outside the app store and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4406">TS</a>]

01:13:29   he has a system in place so that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:30   who bought it through the app store can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4410">TS</a>]

01:13:32   get the non appstore version without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4412">TS</a>]

01:13:34   having to pay for it again so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4414">TS</a>]

01:13:37   wording that the thing that is the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4417">TS</a>]

01:13:38   that bums me out about this episode and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4418">TS</a>]

01:13:40   what's up with apple is is there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4420">TS</a>]

01:13:43   certain segment that is so instinctually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4423">TS</a>]

01:13:46   in defending Apple no matter what and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4426">TS</a>]

01:13:49   you had a lot of people is particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:51   the developers that were very skeptical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4431">TS</a>]

01:13:54   of apple and defend this guy which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4434">TS</a>]

01:13:55   great but then but meantime there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4435">TS</a>]

01:13:57   lot of people on Twitter that are we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4437">TS</a>]

01:13:59   gonna know for sure a drawn-out it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4439">TS</a>]

01:14:01   sort of just it's it became tribalistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4441">TS</a>]

01:14:04   I think that too quickly and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4444">TS</a>]

01:14:06   kind of have this weird scenario where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4446">TS</a>]

01:14:08   think you and again we talked to some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4448">TS</a>]

01:14:10   these guys were defending him and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4450">TS</a>]

01:14:12   kind of felt out on an island because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4452">TS</a>]

01:14:14   they're like saying that you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4454">TS</a>]

01:14:15   playback singer game in your getting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4455">TS</a>]

01:14:17   sort of attacks on social media and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4457">TS</a>]

01:14:19   as soon as Apple releases some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4459">TS</a>]

01:14:20   evidence that means it's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4460">TS</a>]

01:14:22   the instinct for those people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4462">TS</a>]

01:14:23   initially defended the developer is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4463">TS</a>]

01:14:25   snap together sighs oh ok i did my best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4465">TS</a>]

01:14:28   but now he's gone and the truth is as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4468">TS</a>]

01:14:31   with the vast majority things there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:32   great in the middle both sides screwed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4472">TS</a>]

01:14:34   up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4474">TS</a>]

01:14:34   I you know for a particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4474">TS</a>]

01:14:36   communications . like that's definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4476">TS</a>]

01:14:38   a screw-up and eat dad just black this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4478">TS</a>]

01:14:43   is still not getting philosophical but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:45   like there's no most matters are gray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4485">TS</a>]

01:14:47   and this is probably a perfect example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4487">TS</a>]

01:14:49   of that is why it's hard to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4489">TS</a>]

01:14:50   because it if there's there it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4490">TS</a>]

01:14:52   much in the indegree reafon and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4492">TS</a>]

01:14:54   hopefully in the water and it works out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4494">TS</a>]

01:14:56   for everyone i will say well before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:58   move on i'll say also in the same what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4498">TS</a>]

01:15:00   regard the other thought that occurred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4500">TS</a>]

01:15:02   to me is this is why Apple stays keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4502">TS</a>]

01:15:05   its corporate mouth shut about almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4505">TS</a>]

01:15:07   everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4507">TS</a>]

01:15:08   yes infuriating is that can be and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4508">TS</a>]

01:15:10   opaque is it can make the company b it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4510">TS</a>]

01:15:13   why they just don't talk about stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4513">TS</a>]

01:15:16   even when they want to even when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4516">TS</a>]

01:15:18   feel like they've been falsely accused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4518">TS</a>]

01:15:19   or they know they've been falsely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:22   accused and that you know that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4522">TS</a>]

01:15:24   somebody says X and it's not true and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:27   they don't come out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4527">TS</a>]

01:15:28   they know that's not true here's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4528">TS</a>]

01:15:29   they just take it they just take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4529">TS</a>]

01:15:31   because they kind of can't win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4531">TS</a>]

01:15:33   it's all you know that they can let it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4533">TS</a>]

01:15:35   stand keep their mouths shut and let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:37   some amount of people think that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4537">TS</a>]

01:15:39   false thing is true or they can come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4539">TS</a>]

01:15:42   and do to dispute it even they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4542">TS</a>]

01:15:44   even prove it but then they look like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4544">TS</a>]

01:15:46   bully that you know literally the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4546">TS</a>]

01:15:48   biggest and but didn't the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4548">TS</a>]

01:15:49   company in in the world I coming out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:53   against you know in this case literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4553">TS</a>]

01:15:55   a one-man company so ya think it's sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4555">TS</a>]

01:15:59   of a no-lose situation and a no-win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4559">TS</a>]

01:16:00   situation and I can see why the lesser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4560">TS</a>]

01:16:02   you know that the the better route for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4562">TS</a>]

01:16:06   them is usually keep their mouths shut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4566">TS</a>]

01:16:08   totally alright you do you think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4568">TS</a>]

01:16:10   Apple should allow sideloading of apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4570">TS</a>]

01:16:12   by the an iOS no I do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4572">TS</a>]

01:16:14   if I were if I worked at Apple and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:16   in charge are they asked my opinion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4576">TS</a>]

01:16:17   should we allow sideloading of apps in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4577">TS</a>]

01:16:20   iOS i would say no in an ideal world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4580">TS</a>]

01:16:24   where there's no bad actors yes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4584">TS</a>]

01:16:27   would be the right way to go but I I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4587">TS</a>]

01:16:30   know this so the example i'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4590">TS</a>]

01:16:32   show it's a is dropbox there's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4592">TS</a>]

01:16:36   whole thing what I haven't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4596">TS</a>]

01:16:37   written or talk much about it but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4597">TS</a>]

01:16:39   was the thing that came out over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4599">TS</a>]

01:16:40   summer over somebody and found out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4600">TS</a>]

01:16:42   dropbox the dropbox app for for Mac was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:47   like it would say hey we need your admin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4607">TS</a>]

01:16:50   password just to you know finish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4610">TS</a>]

01:16:51   installation and then they would take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4611">TS</a>]

01:16:53   that as admin privileges and write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4613">TS</a>]

01:16:55   themselves into the database that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4615">TS</a>]

01:16:58   controls who has which apps have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4618">TS</a>]

01:17:01   accessibility access to your app to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4621">TS</a>]

01:17:03   mac which is really sensitive because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4623">TS</a>]

01:17:05   absent have that accessibility access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:07   you really have to trust them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4627">TS</a>]

01:17:08   they can like do things like see all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4628">TS</a>]

01:17:10   your keystrokes or see what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4630">TS</a>]

01:17:12   clicking on and stuff like that and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4632">TS</a>]

01:17:15   I just that but they stored the password [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4635">TS</a>]

01:17:17   know that you did you start the password [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4637">TS</a>]

01:17:18   they know they didn't always work i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:21   forget the exact details of it up i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4641">TS</a>]

01:17:23   put a link i started putting people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4643">TS</a>]

01:17:25   thought they were still people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4645">TS</a>]

01:17:27   reasonably thinking they stored the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4647">TS</a>]

01:17:28   password but they didn't what they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4648">TS</a>]

01:17:30   was grant themselves access to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4650">TS</a>]

01:17:32   database so that they could just keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4652">TS</a>]

01:17:34   writing to that data that the all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4654">TS</a>]

01:17:36   databases I'm excited again tom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4656">TS</a>]

01:17:39   so they were more or less grew instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4659">TS</a>]

01:17:41   they weren't taking your admin password [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4661">TS</a>]

01:17:42   but they were granting themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4662">TS</a>]

01:17:44   permanent admin privileges to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:46   accessibility preferences i think is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4666">TS</a>]

01:17:48   very fair way of saying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4668">TS</a>]

01:17:50   and what do you say that way it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4670">TS</a>]

01:17:52   as terrible as it well it's a betrayal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4672">TS</a>]

01:17:55   of trust it really isit's shenanigans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4675">TS</a>]

01:17:57   and it shouldn't be happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4677">TS</a>]

01:17:58   there's no need for it it's really as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4678">TS</a>]

01:18:00   far as what I've heard is that the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4680">TS</a>]

01:18:01   thing is just that enable some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4681">TS</a>]

01:18:03   integration with microsoft office files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4683">TS</a>]

01:18:06   something about the complexity of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4686">TS</a>]

01:18:08   Microsoft offices you know bundled file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4688">TS</a>]

01:18:12   format with I don't even you know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4692">TS</a>]

01:18:15   people like me you don't even have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4695">TS</a>]

01:18:17   office $YEAR installed it's ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:19   that they're doing something that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4699">TS</a>]

01:18:20   would consider you know almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4700">TS</a>]

01:18:22   malware like behavior however good their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4702">TS</a>]

01:18:24   intentions are and you know they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4704">TS</a>]

01:18:28   things they drop box uh you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4708">TS</a>]

01:18:32   does some things that they monitor all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4712">TS</a>]

01:18:34   access to the file system and depending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4714">TS</a>]

01:18:35   on how powerful your mac is it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4715">TS</a>]

01:18:37   actually significantly slowed down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4717">TS</a>]

01:18:38   operations like unzipping files and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4718">TS</a>]

01:18:41   stuff like that because they look there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4721">TS</a>]

01:18:44   snooping at every single action in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4724">TS</a>]

01:18:46   file system whether it's inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4726">TS</a>]

01:18:48   dropbox folder or not which is contrary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4728">TS</a>]

01:18:50   to how it used to work and contrary to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4730">TS</a>]

01:18:53   me to how any reasonable person would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4733">TS</a>]

01:18:55   think dropbox works i would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4735">TS</a>]

01:18:57   yes of course they're looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4737">TS</a>]

01:18:58   everything that happens inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4738">TS</a>]

01:19:00   dropbox folder that's why don't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:02   i would assume that they need to so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4742">TS</a>]

01:19:03   they can keep everything in sync it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4743">TS</a>]

01:19:05   seems ridiculous to me that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4745">TS</a>]

01:19:06   looking at anything that happens outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4746">TS</a>]

01:19:08   the dropbox folder because i don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4748">TS</a>]

01:19:10   them to but they are you know I did some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4750">TS</a>]

01:19:13   timing tests on my you know new five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4753">TS</a>]

01:19:15   were relatively new 5k imac that has all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4755">TS</a>]

01:19:18   these extra courses and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4758">TS</a>]

01:19:19   node SSD Drive and it's hardly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4759">TS</a>]

01:19:22   noticeable but on like a macbook air or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4762">TS</a>]

01:19:25   something like that it can you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4765">TS</a>]

01:19:26   significantly slowed down stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4766">TS</a>]

01:19:29   that's my example of an app that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4769">TS</a>]

01:19:31   malware it's doing what they said but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4771">TS</a>]

01:19:33   they're taking advantage of you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4773">TS</a>]

01:19:36   fact that an app that you download on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4776">TS</a>]

01:19:39   the mac from dropbox.com kenmore let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4779">TS</a>]

01:19:41   do whatever it can get away with and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4781">TS</a>]

01:19:45   however whatever x y&z the good things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:49   would be if you could sideload apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4789">TS</a>]

01:19:51   on on iOS and admittedly I said you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:53   install all sorts of apps from outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4793">TS</a>]

01:19:56   the app store on a mac and I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4796">TS</a>]

01:19:57   have it any other way on the Mac it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4797">TS</a>]

01:20:00   advantage that iOS you know it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4800">TS</a>]

01:20:02   it's a trade-off there's trade-offs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4802">TS</a>]

01:20:03   the max style there's trade-offs to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4803">TS</a>]

01:20:05   iOS style but I feel like Apple has an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4805">TS</a>]

01:20:07   advantage by having one operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4807">TS</a>]

01:20:09   that takes the one side and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:11   operating system that takes the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4811">TS</a>]

01:20:12   yeah i agree i agree i mean i would as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4812">TS</a>]

01:20:16   user I would prefer to be recycled apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4816">TS</a>]

01:20:18   and where I developed by a developer i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:21   would like to know that there's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4821">TS</a>]

01:20:22   there's that option to to to do that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4822">TS</a>]

01:20:27   debt you the app store isn't the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4827">TS</a>]

01:20:28   gate keeper but if i put on my sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:31   you know business hat and think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:33   what concerns apple-like at what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:36   concerns apple is their operating at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4836">TS</a>]

01:20:38   this unbelievable scale with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4838">TS</a>]

01:20:39   hundreds of millions of customers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4839">TS</a>]

01:20:41   secure is a huge target and yes you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4841">TS</a>]

01:20:46   lock it down to the extent but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4846">TS</a>]

01:20:47   they're like fishing becomes a an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4847">TS</a>]

01:20:49   optionally get people to install these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4849">TS</a>]

01:20:51   apps and people will people are I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4851">TS</a>]

01:20:53   people are not careful about the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4853">TS</a>]

01:20:55   in a way that probably you and I and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4855">TS</a>]

01:20:57   most listeners of this are I think I'd i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4857">TS</a>]

01:21:00   agree with you it's even though all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:02   problems of having a single gatekeeper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4862">TS</a>]

01:21:04   in the fact that you had a situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4864">TS</a>]

01:21:05   with with this developer where Apple can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:08   have like literally have a kill switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4868">TS</a>]

01:21:10   on his car on his account those are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4870">TS</a>]

01:21:14   true and they that means it's really on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4874">TS</a>]

01:21:16   Apple to make sure they get that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4876">TS</a>]

01:21:19   stuff right but I agreed for the from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4879">TS</a>]

01:21:23   business perspective it doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4883">TS</a>]

01:21:24   sense to to open it up so yeah we're on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4884">TS</a>]

01:21:27   the same page right i think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4887">TS</a>]

01:21:29   advantage of having both the mac OS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4889">TS</a>]

01:21:31   I mean we could probably do a whole show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4891">TS</a>]

01:21:32   about this but the advantage of having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4892">TS</a>]

01:21:34   mac OS and iOS at the same time and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4894">TS</a>]

01:21:37   firmly of the belief that mac OS is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4897">TS</a>]

01:21:39   notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4899">TS</a>]

01:21:40   oh maybe even unpopular among the pundit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4900">TS</a>]

01:21:42   class i don't think that it is on its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4902">TS</a>]

01:21:44   deathbed and it's going to be replaced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4904">TS</a>]

01:21:46   by iOS any year now I think Mac OS is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4906">TS</a>]

01:21:49   thriving as it's ever been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4909">TS</a>]

01:21:52   I think the way Apple sees it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:54   think they're happy with it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4914">TS</a>]

01:21:55   they've got one operating system that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4915">TS</a>]

01:21:57   starts from the bottom up in other words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4917">TS</a>]

01:22:00   it's in this is Iowa's don't talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4920">TS</a>]

01:22:02   iOS and it's for anybody in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4922">TS</a>]

01:22:04   ready and it's the simpler one it both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4924">TS</a>]

01:22:07   you know in terms of the user interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4927">TS</a>]

01:22:09   but also in terms of the technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4929">TS</a>]

01:22:11   capabilities you know that it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:13   you know only had the only output is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4933">TS</a>]

01:22:16   lightning port and you have to plug in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:18   dongle even to get to a USB you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4938">TS</a>]

01:22:23   multitasking is a lot simpler the apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4943">TS</a>]

01:22:25   you know any app that you install has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:27   come from the app store where it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4947">TS</a>]

01:22:28   vetted and it could be killed at any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4948">TS</a>]

01:22:30   minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4950">TS</a>]

01:22:31   the multitasking system is such that any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4951">TS</a>]

01:22:34   app has to be ready to be killed at any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4954">TS</a>]

01:22:35   moment and then they've got this other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:38   operating system mac OS that starts from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4958">TS</a>]

01:22:39   the top down where it's that it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:42   therefore the most expert of expert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4962">TS</a>]

01:22:44   users you know if you really are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4964">TS</a>]

01:22:46   know you want to have a unix terminal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4966">TS</a>]

01:22:48   and command line on your system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4968">TS</a>]

01:22:52   you've got it i think that really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4972">TS</a>]

01:22:55   very strong place to be and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4975">TS</a>]

01:22:56   worked out very very well yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4976">TS</a>]

01:22:59   completely agree i think the i find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4979">TS</a>]

01:23:01   bizarre that people think they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4981">TS</a>]

01:23:04   to be seen together in it's it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4984">TS</a>]

01:23:06   really viewing the problem from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4986">TS</a>]

01:23:07   wrong perspective because it it's sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4987">TS</a>]

01:23:09   of like a you're looking at it from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4989">TS</a>]

01:23:10   complexity of apples gonna have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4990">TS</a>]

01:23:12   manage multiple operating systems mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4992">TS</a>]

01:23:14   well that's their job that's what like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4994">TS</a>]

01:23:16   it's their job to manage that complexity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4996">TS</a>]

01:23:18   and keep it simple for the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4998">TS</a>]

01:23:19   like what what the proposal that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/4999">TS</a>]

01:23:22   combine the two quote-unquote simplifies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:25   it for Apple but it makes it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5005">TS</a>]

01:23:27   complicated for the user because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5007">TS</a>]

01:23:29   have a you have a overly complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5009">TS</a>]

01:23:31   operating system on one device and a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5011">TS</a>]

01:23:35   to lock down over simplified on another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5015">TS</a>]

01:23:38   device and that's to completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5018">TS</a>]

01:23:40   misunderstand i think the way that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5020">TS</a>]

01:23:42   thinks about its products I mean ed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5022">TS</a>]

01:23:45   idea that you should was presented to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5025">TS</a>]

01:23:47   the user should be simple and what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5027">TS</a>]

01:23:49   what's the like the einstein quote about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5029">TS</a>]

01:23:50   simplicity whatever liking everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:52   should be as simple as possible but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5032">TS</a>]

01:23:53   more so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5033">TS</a>]

01:23:54   exactly exactly and and that apple would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5034">TS</a>]

01:23:58   prioritize its internal efficiency in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5038">TS</a>]

01:24:02   maintaining two operating systems and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5042">TS</a>]

01:24:04   put that complexity onto the user that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5044">TS</a>]

01:24:06   seems counter to the entire way Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5046">TS</a>]

01:24:09   thinks about simplicity and matching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5049">TS</a>]

01:24:10   complexity right the way I've put it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5050">TS</a>]

01:24:13   the past I forget where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5053">TS</a>]

01:24:15   I have the einstein quote memorized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:17   although like all great quotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5057">TS</a>]

01:24:19   supposedly that quote is apocryphal and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5059">TS</a>]

01:24:21   maybe was never said by Einstein or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5061">TS</a>]

01:24:23   said something that was not quite as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5063">TS</a>]

01:24:25   clever but people cleaned up over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5065">TS</a>]

01:24:27   years but anyway that's the quote that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5067">TS</a>]

01:24:28   attributed to and I'm sticking to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5068">TS</a>]

01:24:30   my line is something to the effect of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5070">TS</a>]

01:24:32   its the heaviness the commune of mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5072">TS</a>]

01:24:35   that allows iOS to be so light that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5075">TS</a>]

01:24:38   they got rid of the mac they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5078">TS</a>]

01:24:40   make iOS so much more complex to pick up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5080">TS</a>]

01:24:42   the things that the mac does that iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5082">TS</a>]

01:24:43   can't that it would wreck iOS and all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5083">TS</a>]

01:24:48   the things they've done over the years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5088">TS</a>]

01:24:49   and I think it's the same thing is true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5089">TS</a>]

01:24:50   on windows to all of the ways that over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5090">TS</a>]

01:24:52   the years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5092">TS</a>]

01:24:53   Apple and Microsoft have tried to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5093">TS</a>]

01:24:55   simple modes for mac or windows they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5095">TS</a>]

01:24:59   fail they they fall short there used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5099">TS</a>]

01:25:01   be like the simple finder on on Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5101">TS</a>]

01:25:04   which was like a mode you can put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5104">TS</a>]

01:25:06   mac in where the finder only showed you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5106">TS</a>]

01:25:08   instead of showing you like the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5108">TS</a>]

01:25:09   file system it just showed you like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5109">TS</a>]

01:25:11   panel full of your apps it's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5111">TS</a>]

01:25:15   still like that launch window things get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5115">TS</a>]

01:25:17   lunch or whatever he asked the same idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5117">TS</a>]

01:25:19   its yeah and I think that that launcher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5119">TS</a>]

01:25:22   for mac OS what's called and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5122">TS</a>]

01:25:24   the thing I never liked launchpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5124">TS</a>]

01:25:26   I never I never use it they could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5126">TS</a>]

01:25:27   erase it if they could just drop it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5127">TS</a>]

01:25:29   Sierra and I would never even notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5129">TS</a>]

01:25:31   because it's it's irrelevant and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5131">TS</a>]

01:25:35   anything any attempt like that to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5135">TS</a>]

01:25:36   mac OS too much iose is a failure and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5136">TS</a>]

01:25:40   think any anything they ever did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5140">TS</a>]

01:25:42   although i don't think there's ever been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5142">TS</a>]

01:25:43   something like that but anything they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5143">TS</a>]

01:25:44   did that made iOS more too much mic mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5144">TS</a>]

01:25:46   OS would wreck the good parts of Iowa or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5146">TS</a>]

01:25:49   a you could argue this was gonna go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5149">TS</a>]

01:25:52   go back to the watch this is the mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5152">TS</a>]

01:25:53   they made in in watch version one was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5153">TS</a>]

01:25:56   they they should have developed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5156">TS</a>]

01:25:59   we're in this case the heaviness was on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5159">TS</a>]

01:26:02   iOS iphone and the watch should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5162">TS</a>]

01:26:05   been white like the ipod right the ipod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5165">TS</a>]

01:26:06   was it was the perfect example of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5166">TS</a>]

01:26:08   what made it so great was all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5168">TS</a>]

01:26:11   complexity of managing your music was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5171">TS</a>]

01:26:12   all awful on the computer and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5172">TS</a>]

01:26:15   ipod did was play music and and it made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5175">TS</a>]

01:26:17   it so much more powerful and I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5177">TS</a>]

01:26:19   mistake that was in version one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5179">TS</a>]

01:26:22   watch was with that washer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:23   honeycomb of apps and all that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5183">TS</a>]

01:26:25   thing like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5185">TS</a>]

01:26:26   it was trying to take pack an iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:29   into it make it self sufficient and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5189">TS</a>]

01:26:31   the long run I i still think there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5191">TS</a>]

01:26:33   future where the watch is the center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5193">TS</a>]

01:26:35   like you want to get seller keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5195">TS</a>]

01:26:37   building is much more powerful and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5197">TS</a>]

01:26:38   their the watch becomes heavy and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5198">TS</a>]

01:26:41   your airports become light or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5201">TS</a>]

01:26:43   along those lines but we're not there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5203">TS</a>]

01:26:44   yet and I think that's if you wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5204">TS</a>]

01:26:48   to encapsulate where version one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5208">TS</a>]

01:26:51   watchman wrong i think that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5211">TS</a>]

01:26:53   somewhere in there I know that there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5213">TS</a>]

01:26:56   people in this before so it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5216">TS</a>]

01:26:58   screwed by jumping in before I did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5218">TS</a>]

01:27:00   sponsor it but it's a good topic i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5220">TS</a>]

01:27:03   that there are people listening to us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5223">TS</a>]

01:27:04   who are frustrated and they're there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5224">TS</a>]

01:27:06   I I feel your frustration its people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5226">TS</a>]

01:27:09   do want sideloading and they want that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5229">TS</a>]

01:27:11   because they can tell how for them it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5231">TS</a>]

01:27:13   would make iOS even better and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5233">TS</a>]

01:27:16   deny that at all from me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5236">TS</a>]

01:27:18   iOS would be better if I could sideload [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5238">TS</a>]

01:27:20   apps like I can on a map meaning that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5240">TS</a>]

01:27:23   could just get a piano version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5243">TS</a>]

01:27:25   application x straight from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5245">TS</a>]

01:27:27   developer not through the app store and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5247">TS</a>]

01:27:29   and put it on my phone and maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5249">TS</a>]

01:27:32   would mean I'd have a version of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5252">TS</a>]

01:27:37   amazon video for my apple TV because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5257">TS</a>]

01:27:41   could side load it and then the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5261">TS</a>]

01:27:42   would get around you know that to me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5262">TS</a>]

01:27:44   one of the worst things about apple tvs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5264">TS</a>]

01:27:45   i don't have amazon have amazon prime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5265">TS</a>]

01:27:47   account i think amazon has some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5267">TS</a>]

01:27:48   best and original content I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5268">TS</a>]

01:27:51   maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5271">TS</a>]

01:27:52   they're not quite up there with Netflix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:54   HBO but their second tier and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5274">TS</a>]

01:27:58   such a pain in the ass to have to load [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5278">TS</a>]

01:27:59   it on my phone and airplay it over to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5279">TS</a>]

01:28:01   the appletv rather than just get it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5281">TS</a>]

01:28:03   apple TV but I totally understand mrs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5283">TS</a>]

01:28:05   point of view that they don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5285">TS</a>]

01:28:07   give up the thirty percent or have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5287">TS</a>]

01:28:10   version that you can't buy stuff from I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5290">TS</a>]

01:28:12   don't know what you know but sideloading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5292">TS</a>]

01:28:14   would obviously get around that I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5294">TS</a>]

01:28:15   see how that would make it better but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5295">TS</a>]

01:28:17   the thing i want to say you know i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5297">TS</a>]

01:28:19   i want to express the people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5299">TS</a>]

01:28:21   frustrated by that is it's not about us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5301">TS</a>]

01:28:23   the mac is there for people like us and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5303">TS</a>]

01:28:25   you know we've got the system like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5305">TS</a>]

01:28:28   but you can't deny that the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5308">TS</a>]

01:28:30   you can screw up a mac by installing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5310">TS</a>]

01:28:33   wrong thing has led to an awful lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5313">TS</a>]

01:28:35   people who screwed up there Mac by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5315">TS</a>]

01:28:37   installing the wrong thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5317">TS</a>]

01:28:38   I can't emphasize enough what an amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5318">TS</a>]

01:28:41   weight off the shoulders it is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5321">TS</a>]

01:28:43   non-technical users to have a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5323">TS</a>]

01:28:45   like the iPhone the iPad that they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5325">TS</a>]

01:28:49   screw up it is a big benefits benefits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5329">TS</a>]

01:28:52   developers to because people download a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5332">TS</a>]

01:28:55   million more apps or what way more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5335">TS</a>]

01:28:56   a million like exponentially more apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5336">TS</a>]

01:28:59   on the phone because they're not scared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5339">TS</a>]

01:29:01   of apps i need heart it's hard it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5341">TS</a>]

01:29:03   to remember now but you'll back 10 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5343">TS</a>]

01:29:05   and people were scared to install stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5345">TS</a>]

01:29:07   on their computers oh absolutely it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5347">TS</a>]

01:29:10   that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5350">TS</a>]

01:29:11   and once in the problem is you say all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:13   only technically you should do it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5353">TS</a>]

01:29:15   know you like you get to things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5355">TS</a>]

01:29:17   what's with the accessibility thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5357">TS</a>]

01:29:19   china right with the home button where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5359">TS</a>]

01:29:20   people put you get these people do weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5360">TS</a>]

01:29:24   stuff with their phones because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5364">TS</a>]

01:29:25   becomes a thing to do and there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5365">TS</a>]

01:29:27   tutorials and videos about it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5367">TS</a>]

01:29:29   people lots of people that shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5369">TS</a>]

01:29:31   would enable sideloading and then what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5371">TS</a>]

01:29:34   happens you can e-mail say all your you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5374">TS</a>]

01:29:36   get some someone puts up a notification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5376">TS</a>]

01:29:37   uh you know there are they slipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5377">TS</a>]

01:29:40   something into the app store they put up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5380">TS</a>]

01:29:41   with Jimmy app to put on vacations do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5381">TS</a>]

01:29:42   you update something you click a button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5382">TS</a>]

01:29:44   and it goes to sorry uh original website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5384">TS</a>]

01:29:47   and downloads it cycles a nap because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5387">TS</a>]

01:29:49   you enabled it for some reason or other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5389">TS</a>]

01:29:50   and now you have met a malware type app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5390">TS</a>]

01:29:53   on your computer are on your phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5393">TS</a>]

01:29:55   the like this stuff will happen it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5395">TS</a>]

01:29:58   absolutely will happen and the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5398">TS</a>]

01:30:00   right now the you see this on jailbroken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5400">TS</a>]

01:30:03   phones right when you see a report about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5403">TS</a>]

01:30:05   malware on the phone is almost always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5405">TS</a>]

01:30:07   happening to jailbroken phones & 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5407">TS</a>]

01:30:12   in that case you kind of brought it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5412">TS</a>]

01:30:13   yourself it's super-clear you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5413">TS</a>]

01:30:15   something you shouldn't do when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5415">TS</a>]

01:30:16   jailbreaking it if it was apple enabled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5416">TS</a>]

01:30:20   and apple endorsed even if not by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5420">TS</a>]

01:30:22   default just the number of people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5422">TS</a>]

01:30:24   would do that and expose themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5424">TS</a>]

01:30:26   would be huge and it would it be support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5426">TS</a>]

01:30:29   nightmare for apple and it would be bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5429">TS</a>]

01:30:31   for developers to people start getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5431">TS</a>]

01:30:33   scared of apps again and that would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5433">TS</a>]

01:30:35   terrible place to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5435">TS</a>]

01:30:36   what was the name of amazon there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5436">TS</a>]

01:30:39   company that Amazon's that like ranks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5439">TS</a>]

01:30:41   websites by traffic is that is a call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5441">TS</a>]

01:30:44   Alexa even know that now that's the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5444">TS</a>]

01:30:47   is like their Serie type thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5447">TS</a>]

01:30:48   no I was the name of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5448">TS</a>]

01:30:50   and that used to get its measurements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5450">TS</a>]

01:30:52   through like the Amazon toolbar or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5452">TS</a>]

01:30:54   something like that was the name you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5454">TS</a>]

01:30:56   remember and it doesn't seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5456">TS</a>]

01:30:58   anybody really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5458">TS</a>]

01:30:58   oh yeah baby was made was alexa i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5458">TS</a>]

01:31:01   it was called alexa but it was and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5461">TS</a>]

01:31:02   do like a rankings invite the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5462">TS</a>]

01:31:03   thousand websites and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5463">TS</a>]

01:31:05   and when you have like the internet yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5465">TS</a>]

01:31:07   right i totally forgot about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5467">TS</a>]

01:31:09   yeah that's what this is that's funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5469">TS</a>]

01:31:11   one time a long time ago i was i was at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:13   a conference and I got in i was cut into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5473">TS</a>]

01:31:18   a poker game late at night with a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5478">TS</a>]

01:31:20   of people and one of the guys worked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5480">TS</a>]

01:31:24   a lecture or something like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5484">TS</a>]

01:31:25   this was awhile ago maybe even like 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5485">TS</a>]

01:31:27   years ago and it was relaxing mattered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5487">TS</a>]

01:31:29   more and daring fireball was at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5489">TS</a>]

01:31:30   rated terribly and alexa i mean like way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5490">TS</a>]

01:31:33   their estimates of my web traffic were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5493">TS</a>]

01:31:35   way less than i knew it to be just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5495">TS</a>]

01:31:36   because I could look at my logs and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5496">TS</a>]

01:31:39   asked him about and it didn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5499">TS</a>]

01:31:40   matter too much to me because the light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5500">TS</a>]

01:31:42   wasn't really interested in the type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5502">TS</a>]

01:31:43   advertising that was like did at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5503">TS</a>]

01:31:45   time they would you know if you wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5505">TS</a>]

01:31:47   like typical advert web advertising it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5507">TS</a>]

01:31:50   your Alexa ranking mattered in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5510">TS</a>]

01:31:53   like the rate you get and I did wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5513">TS</a>]

01:31:56   didn't want to pursue that we could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5516">TS</a>]

01:31:57   it again we do all show about my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5517">TS</a>]

01:31:59   thoughts on web advertising but at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5519">TS</a>]

01:32:00   in terms of like wow if I need to at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5520">TS</a>]

01:32:03   least I could it was like wow that door [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5523">TS</a>]

01:32:05   isn't even open to me because I'm Way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5525">TS</a>]

01:32:06   undercounted and he said I of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5526">TS</a>]

01:32:09   your way undercounted of course because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5529">TS</a>]

01:32:10   do you know all the measurements for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5530">TS</a>]

01:32:12   Alexa come from people who installed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5532">TS</a>]

01:32:14   Amazon toolbar and almost everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5534">TS</a>]

01:32:16   installs the Amazon toolbar did it by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5536">TS</a>]

01:32:18   accident or doesn't how it got there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5538">TS</a>]

01:32:20   your people are reading fireballer smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5540">TS</a>]

01:32:22   enough not to install it and most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5542">TS</a>]

01:32:23   them are on max where it doesn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5543">TS</a>]

01:32:24   run anyway it was thick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5544">TS</a>]

01:32:28   oh no matter of fact about it yeah right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5548">TS</a>]

01:32:30   but that's the exact same food i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5550">TS</a>]

01:32:33   about those web tool bars a lot you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5553">TS</a>]

01:32:34   the people used to get those and they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5554">TS</a>]

01:32:36   you know he even said like we know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5556">TS</a>]

01:32:37   most people get it don't even know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5557">TS</a>]

01:32:38   they got it again there's never that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5558">TS</a>]

01:32:41   never going to happen on iOS yeah anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:44   I don't take a break and thank our next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5564">TS</a>]

01:32:46   sponsor hurry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5566">TS</a>]

01:32:47   that's right that it is our friends at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5567">TS</a>]

01:32:50   Harry's Harry's makes world-class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5570">TS</a>]

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01:32:55   company big razor companies the big guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5575">TS</a>]

01:32:58   gelatins those church they have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5578">TS</a>]

01:33:01   annoying habit when they put out new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5581">TS</a>]

01:33:02   models they raised the are there all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5582">TS</a>]

01:33:04   pretty high prices if you want to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5584">TS</a>]

01:33:05   their best product you have to pay more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5585">TS</a>]

01:33:07   than you're paying for the previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5587">TS</a>]

01:33:08   product unlike those guys Harry's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5588">TS</a>]

01:33:10   doesn't believe in up charging that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5590">TS</a>]

01:33:12   why they when they make their razors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5592">TS</a>]

01:33:14   even better they keep their prices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5594">TS</a>]

01:33:16   exactly the same Harry's five blade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5596">TS</a>]

01:33:18   razors now include this is brand-new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5598">TS</a>]

01:33:20   they have a softer flex hinge for a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5600">TS</a>]

01:33:23   comfortable glide they have a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5603">TS</a>]

01:33:25   trimmer blade like a little mini blade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5605">TS</a>]

01:33:28   for hard-to-reach places which I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5608">TS</a>]

01:33:30   means for most men at least that little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5610">TS</a>]

01:33:32   area right underneath your nose which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5612">TS</a>]

01:33:34   kinda hard to get with the full with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5614">TS</a>]

01:33:36   blade you know at least it is for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5616">TS</a>]

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01:34:24   didn't have this texture well they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5664">TS</a>]

01:34:26   it better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5666">TS</a>]

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01:36:21   wonder why end up with under Dave's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5781">TS</a>]

01:36:23   about Twitter getting acquired what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5783">TS</a>]

01:36:26   your thoughts on that hasn't happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5786">TS</a>]

01:36:27   yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5787">TS</a>]

01:36:29   I for Twitter it sorted out its there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5789">TS</a>]

01:36:33   so much smoke is one of those where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5793">TS</a>]

01:36:34   there's smoke there's fire type things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5794">TS</a>]

01:36:36   and yeah I think that's Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5796">TS</a>]

01:36:37   generated smoke because they wanted i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5797">TS</a>]

01:36:41   think they were wants to be sold yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5801">TS</a>]

01:36:44   with a problem the twitters stuck in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5804">TS</a>]

01:36:46   end the reason they're stuck is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5806">TS</a>]

01:36:48   company is overvalued for what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5808">TS</a>]

01:36:51   right now and it has been for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5811">TS</a>]

01:36:52   time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5812">TS</a>]

01:36:53   the problem is that the number one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5813">TS</a>]

01:36:55   I suspect that is propping up the stock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5815">TS</a>]

01:36:57   price is the presumption that someone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5817">TS</a>]

01:36:59   gonna buy it but it's keeping the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5819">TS</a>]

01:37:02   high enough that no one wants to buy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5822">TS</a>]

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01:37:06   down for it to be a viable acquisition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5826">TS</a>]

01:37:10   but it won't go down because people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5830">TS</a>]

01:37:14   counting on it not going down part i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5834">TS</a>]

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01:37:17   it's really kind of stuck in this sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5837">TS</a>]

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01:37:23   about the sheet requires like Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5843">TS</a>]

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01:37:26   this i've written but it's a fair bit i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5846">TS</a>]

01:37:27   wrote a post a while ago we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5847">TS</a>]

01:37:28   is in the day update but walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5848">TS</a>]

01:37:31   throughout the Twitter self scenarios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5851">TS</a>]

01:37:32   and who should buy the problems with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5852">TS</a>]

01:37:34   Google is all obviously was always made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5854">TS</a>]

01:37:36   the most sense in part because they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5856">TS</a>]

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01:37:49   to some random company you have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5869">TS</a>]

01:37:51   Twitter's problems are going with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5871">TS</a>]

01:37:52   where's google already has advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5872">TS</a>]

01:37:53   scale for example they already have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5873">TS</a>]

01:37:55   automated selling with something Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5875">TS</a>]

01:37:56   really found facedown like they're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5876">TS</a>]

01:37:58   selling the best for their money still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5878">TS</a>]

01:37:59   made by like selling ads to big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5879">TS</a>]

01:38:02   companies or big ad agencies as opposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5882">TS</a>]

01:38:05   to like the mom-and-pop signing up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5885">TS</a>]

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01:38:10   for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5890">TS</a>]

01:38:12   we're never really got that working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5892">TS</a>]

01:38:13   going to let Google that already has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5893">TS</a>]

01:38:15   that infrastructure in place makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5895">TS</a>]

01:38:17   the problem is google is Twitter sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5897">TS</a>]

01:38:19   this deal with google a year-and-a-half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5899">TS</a>]

01:38:21   ago 21 give Google other data and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5901">TS</a>]

01:38:25   actually unquote fire hose right and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5905">TS</a>]

01:38:28   to incorporate with double clicks maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5908">TS</a>]

01:38:30   part of the system which means google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5910">TS</a>]

01:38:32   basically got really outside of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5912">TS</a>]

01:38:35   owning it and what they could do with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5915">TS</a>]

01:38:37   they got everything they need from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5917">TS</a>]

01:38:38   Twitter they got the data and they got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5918">TS</a>]

01:38:40   the platform to sell ads against my why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5920">TS</a>]

01:38:42   buy it when they got everything they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5922">TS</a>]

01:38:44   already need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5924">TS</a>]

01:38:45   why buy the cow when you're getting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5925">TS</a>]

01:38:46   milk for free right exactly exactly so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5926">TS</a>]

01:38:49   that there was a real there's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5929">TS</a>]

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01:38:54   brought his brother capital is the site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5934">TS</a>]

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01:38:59   companies and he can like drive their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5939">TS</a>]

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01:39:03   did a arm he he wrote it i thought was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5943">TS</a>]

01:39:07   over a good post and I I haven't written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5947">TS</a>]

01:39:10   about his post specifically but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5950">TS</a>]

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01:39:15   think about the strategic value of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5955">TS</a>]

01:39:16   Twitter and that's why Google should buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5956">TS</a>]

01:39:18   for example or like Salesforce has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5958">TS</a>]

01:39:21   a big rumor and they're going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5961">TS</a>]

01:39:22   data on and all that sort of thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5962">TS</a>]

01:39:24   his point was that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5964">TS</a>]

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01:39:31   enormous and particularly want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5971">TS</a>]

01:39:32   include stock-based compensation either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5972">TS</a>]

01:39:34   lose like 500 million dollars a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5974">TS</a>]

01:39:36   which is just a massive amount of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5976">TS</a>]

01:39:38   is a pretty stable amount of money and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5978">TS</a>]

01:39:40   they've been increasing over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5980">TS</a>]

01:39:41   past several years while the revenues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5981">TS</a>]

01:39:43   out they've increased their employee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5983">TS</a>]

01:39:45   basic usually increase their costs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5985">TS</a>]

01:39:47   hugely me and his point is this business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5987">TS</a>]

01:39:49   is what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5989">TS</a>]

01:39:50   if you basically go in there and clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5990">TS</a>]

01:39:53   house and just keep the business running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5993">TS</a>]

01:39:56   as it is it could actually be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5996">TS</a>]

01:39:58   profitable company that throws off a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/5998">TS</a>]

01:40:00   fair amount of cash so he thinks that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6000">TS</a>]

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01:40:04   like a leveraged buyout and someone goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6004">TS</a>]

01:40:06   in just cleans house gets rid of a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6006">TS</a>]

01:40:07   staff like cleans up the company makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6007">TS</a>]

01:40:10   profitable and then and then sells it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6010">TS</a>]

01:40:12   and then it'd be much more palatable for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6012">TS</a>]

01:40:14   salesforce the buyer for google by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6014">TS</a>]

01:40:16   problem of course is Twitter very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6016">TS</a>]

01:40:18   may die along the way it's easy for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6018">TS</a>]

01:40:20   to say and I really hate to be callous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6020">TS</a>]

01:40:23   about it I really do because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6023">TS</a>]

01:40:25   job is important thing but I never at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6025">TS</a>]

01:40:28   the headcount group at Twitter makes no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6028">TS</a>]

01:40:30   sense to me at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6030">TS</a>]

01:40:31   it it it's I don't understand and i'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6031">TS</a>]

01:40:35   long I mean a very early user number you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6035">TS</a>]

01:40:39   know I think I send up in late $MONTH [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6039">TS</a>]

01:40:40   2006 long time user I have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6040">TS</a>]

01:40:45   followers a that you know I i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6045">TS</a>]

01:40:49   get twitter and i know that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6049">TS</a>]

01:40:51   different people use twitter in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6051">TS</a>]

01:40:52   different ways but I i love Twitter I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6052">TS</a>]

01:40:57   really do i use it everyday it is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6057">TS</a>]

01:40:59   really turned into the primary way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6059">TS</a>]

01:41:02   interact with readers daring fireball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6062">TS</a>]

01:41:03   more for more sore than email and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6063">TS</a>]

01:41:08   you know it's funny I think it's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6068">TS</a>]

01:41:11   thing i never get anymore ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6071">TS</a>]

01:41:13   I can't remember the last time honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6073">TS</a>]

01:41:15   I might even be years since somebody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6075">TS</a>]

01:41:16   complained about the fact that daring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6076">TS</a>]

01:41:18   fireball doesn't have comments on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6078">TS</a>]

01:41:19   articles and part of it is that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6079">TS</a>]

01:41:21   that it you know it's it's become clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6081">TS</a>]

01:41:24   to more and more people that I was right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6084">TS</a>]

01:41:26   all along that comments on articles are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6086">TS</a>]

01:41:28   not a good idea but I think the bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6088">TS</a>]

01:41:31   one of the bigger reasons is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6091">TS</a>]

01:41:33   more and more people realized that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6093">TS</a>]

01:41:35   Twitter conversations with at Gruber are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6095">TS</a>]

01:41:40   just as good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6100">TS</a>]

01:41:41   you know it's or at least better i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6101">TS</a>]

01:41:44   actually you know that there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6104">TS</a>]

01:41:46   interaction with me and with other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6106">TS</a>]

01:41:48   readers you know who you know who follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6108">TS</a>]

01:41:50   me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6110">TS</a>]

01:41:51   it's a fantastic thing I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6111">TS</a>]

01:41:53   understand why there's so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6113">TS</a>]

01:41:55   people who work at twitter it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6115">TS</a>]

01:41:56   already does what it does i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6116">TS</a>]

01:41:58   understand what what is going on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6118">TS</a>]

01:41:59   and it's yeah they had numbers are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6119">TS</a>]

01:42:02   numbers are all sorry I think we want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6122">TS</a>]

01:42:03   talk to us last time but Dustin Curtis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6123">TS</a>]

01:42:05   posted the revenue per employee for 2015 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6125">TS</a>]

01:42:09   yes and yeah Yahoo was at the bottom 419 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6129">TS</a>]

01:42:13   thousand per employee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6133">TS</a>]

01:42:14   twitter is for $MONEY and sixty-two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6134">TS</a>]

01:42:15   thousand per employee so what ya whoever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6135">TS</a>]

01:42:17   microsoft 789 thousand google 1.1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6137">TS</a>]

01:42:21   million per employee facebook 1.4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6141">TS</a>]

01:42:23   million and Apple 2 million per employee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6143">TS</a>]

01:42:24   and then you get to profit & Louisiana [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6144">TS</a>]

01:42:27   was making a product for employees back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6147">TS</a>]

01:42:29   then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6149">TS</a>]

01:42:29   twitter was losing a hundred and thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6149">TS</a>]

01:42:31   thousand dollars per employee right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6151">TS</a>]

01:42:33   mean Facebook's making 290,000 apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6153">TS</a>]

01:42:36   speaking foreign 60,000 I mean it's yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6156">TS</a>]

01:42:38   it's it is there's this weird attitude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6158">TS</a>]

01:42:42   about Twitter and you see this all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6162">TS</a>]

01:42:44   time like all twitter has so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6164">TS</a>]

01:42:45   potential like all the twitter is did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6165">TS</a>]

01:42:48   twitter is a ten-year-old company right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6168">TS</a>]

01:42:51   like at some point use needle it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6171">TS</a>]

01:42:54   almost like treating them disrespect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6174">TS</a>]

01:42:56   that they're like this little like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6176">TS</a>]

01:42:58   incapable sort of being like we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6178">TS</a>]

01:43:02   expect more from table company and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6182">TS</a>]

01:43:05   twitter is been dude I've written two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6185">TS</a>]

01:43:07   tons of it we've talked about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6187">TS</a>]

01:43:09   twitter has been grossly mismanaged for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6189">TS</a>]

01:43:11   many years and yeah I i agree with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6191">TS</a>]

01:43:14   the Wall Street guy like I think someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6194">TS</a>]

01:43:16   is gonna win clean house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6196">TS</a>]

01:43:18   yes I get that there's a talent you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6198">TS</a>]

01:43:21   was gonna lose a lot of talent without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6201">TS</a>]

01:43:22   value employees but at some point the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6202">TS</a>]

01:43:26   service does what it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6206">TS</a>]

01:43:27   people like you and i love it like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6207">TS</a>]

01:43:29   needs or total reset it just needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6209">TS</a>]

01:43:31   the total reset and I hope it survives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6211">TS</a>]

01:43:34   the process but continue on this path is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6214">TS</a>]

01:43:36   is I don't know doesn't lessen what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6216">TS</a>]

01:43:39   going on with the headcount of Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6219">TS</a>]

01:43:41   now that they're fully absorbed part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6221">TS</a>]

01:43:44   facebook but before facebook bought them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6224">TS</a>]

01:43:48   instagram 30 people write it was like 12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6228">TS</a>]

01:43:51   people until it got to the point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6231">TS</a>]

01:43:52   they needed and you know I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6232">TS</a>]

01:43:54   might have had more ops people you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6234">TS</a>]

01:43:56   then then product people just because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6236">TS</a>]

01:43:58   was so popular but it was you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6238">TS</a>]

01:44:01   reasonably put them on a bus and drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6241">TS</a>]

01:44:03   mall to the airport together and forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6243">TS</a>]

01:44:04   you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6244">TS</a>]

01:44:06   offsite I mean it was it the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6246">TS</a>]

01:44:07   company would fit in a bus and was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6247">TS</a>]

01:44:11   something of similar scale and nature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6251">TS</a>]

01:44:14   and complexity is twitter i'm not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6254">TS</a>]

01:44:17   Twitter should be 30 people at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6257">TS</a>]

01:44:19   point but it should be a lot closer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6259">TS</a>]

01:44:21   30 than where they are now and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6261">TS</a>]

01:44:23   think part of it is an Instagram is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6263">TS</a>]

01:44:26   to me the comparison not facebook it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6266">TS</a>]

01:44:29   it's now I'm not saying that Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6269">TS</a>]

01:44:32   should say that they're done and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6272">TS</a>]

01:44:33   okay we've done it you know but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6273">TS</a>]

01:44:35   there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6275">TS</a>]

01:44:36   they've been closer to done then then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6276">TS</a>]

01:44:39   not done for a while like the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6279">TS</a>]

01:44:41   point of twitter much like Instagram is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6281">TS</a>]

01:44:43   that it's conceptually very simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6283">TS</a>]

01:44:45   that's that's the appeal and is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6285">TS</a>]

01:44:48   part of the point of it that it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6288">TS</a>]

01:44:50   pick who you want to follow you'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6290">TS</a>]

01:44:52   what the people who you've chosen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6292">TS</a>]

01:44:53   follow post and then you can post and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6293">TS</a>]

01:44:56   the people who've chosen to follow you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6296">TS</a>]

01:44:58   will see what you've posted and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6298">TS</a>]

01:45:00   that basic that simplicity it sounds so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6300">TS</a>]

01:45:04   simply well that doesn't even count but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6304">TS</a>]

01:45:06   it's like no nobody never actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6306">TS</a>]

01:45:07   thought of that before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6307">TS</a>]

01:45:08   there's a genius in in that but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6308">TS</a>]

01:45:11   really it's not the sort of thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6311">TS</a>]

01:45:13   they need massive ongoing development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6313">TS</a>]

01:45:18   yeah it's all it's almost like a UH is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6318">TS</a>]

01:45:21   like twitter is a perfectly like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6321">TS</a>]

01:45:23   strategy for twitter has always been to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6323">TS</a>]

01:45:26   they have a cost problem but they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6326">TS</a>]

01:45:29   always their goal has always been to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6329">TS</a>]

01:45:31   grow out of that cost problem if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6331">TS</a>]

01:45:33   makes sense like they're gonna get big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6333">TS</a>]

01:45:35   enough to get scale where the cost makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6335">TS</a>]

01:45:37   sense and that that is a it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6337">TS</a>]

01:45:40   reasonable way of thinking that the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6340">TS</a>]

01:45:41   companies operate by the the the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6341">TS</a>]

01:45:44   is that it's just not that big of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6344">TS</a>]

01:45:45   business like Twitter on Twitter makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6345">TS</a>]

01:45:47   few billion dollars a year in revenue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6347">TS</a>]

01:45:48   like it that should be enough to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6348">TS</a>]

01:45:50   viable business given what it is i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6350">TS</a>]

01:45:53   parts gets into all the problems that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6353">TS</a>]

01:45:54   Twitter had in management and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6354">TS</a>]

01:45:56   problems they had it in their board and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6356">TS</a>]

01:45:58   in the the fighting between at seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6358">TS</a>]

01:46:00   jack is they they ended the classes they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6360">TS</a>]

01:46:03   probably took on too much venture money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6363">TS</a>]

01:46:05   in the long run they do is build a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6365">TS</a>]

01:46:07   business more quickly enough and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6367">TS</a>]

01:46:08   got to a state where they had a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6368">TS</a>]

01:46:10   bloated apparatus that the easiest and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6370">TS</a>]

01:46:15   most obvious way was to what we can grow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6375">TS</a>]

01:46:17   revenue big enough will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6377">TS</a>]

01:46:19   outgrow our bloat it needs a reset like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6379">TS</a>]

01:46:21   the the services what is obviously the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6381">TS</a>]

01:46:23   the abuse problems are real it needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6383">TS</a>]

01:46:26   be addressed but I think even there you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6386">TS</a>]

01:46:28   have all these bad incentives going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6388">TS</a>]

01:46:30   like killing spam hurts don't the active [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6390">TS</a>]

01:46:33   user account right banning people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6393">TS</a>]

01:46:35   perspective user glycan you have there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6395">TS</a>]

01:46:39   all these bad incentives in place for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6399">TS</a>]

01:46:41   twitter as the public company as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6401">TS</a>]

01:46:43   are now and yeah I i really come around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6403">TS</a>]

01:46:46   I think to this sort of like I get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6406">TS</a>]

01:46:48   talent issue i get that people are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6408">TS</a>]

01:46:50   to flee twitter if it's not Wall Street [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6410">TS</a>]

01:46:52   guy comes in and cleans house but it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6412">TS</a>]

01:46:55   i think we're to the point where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6415">TS</a>]

01:46:59   like yes the surgery might kill the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6419">TS</a>]

01:47:00   patient but without the surgery the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6420">TS</a>]

01:47:02   patient is not going anywhere and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6422">TS</a>]

01:47:04   can't lose 500 million dollars a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6424">TS</a>]

01:47:05   forever Josh but they had a big drop-off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6425">TS</a>]

01:47:12   who was it was just recently the stock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6432">TS</a>]

01:47:14   got run up on the rumors that they might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6434">TS</a>]

01:47:16   get acquired and then like yeah this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6436">TS</a>]

01:47:20   it yeah whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6440">TS</a>]

01:47:22   yes else was the lead one but it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6442">TS</a>]

01:47:24   sounds like particularly where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6444">TS</a>]

01:47:26   week's came out they were kind of known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6446">TS</a>]

01:47:28   Twitter channels so like Salesforce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6448">TS</a>]

01:47:31   expressed interest in trying to drum up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6451">TS</a>]

01:47:33   other interests and then everyone's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6453">TS</a>]

01:47:35   not interested in the stock crash back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6455">TS</a>]

01:47:37   down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6457">TS</a>]

01:47:38   yeah anyway I love Twitter I hope it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6458">TS</a>]

01:47:41   works out but i do think that I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6461">TS</a>]

01:47:43   I've come around on google I mean my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6463">TS</a>]

01:47:45   antipathy towards google is just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6465">TS</a>]

01:47:47   general I'd in general I just don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6467">TS</a>]

01:47:51   Google and I don't trust them with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6471">TS</a>]

01:47:54   data and I don't want I don't want my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6474">TS</a>]

01:47:56   twitter account tied to a google ID and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6476">TS</a>]

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01:55:26   show and they'll know you came from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6926">TS</a>]

01:55:28   show go check them out if your need for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6928">TS</a>]

01:55:30   a suitcase here's the prices the Karen's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6930">TS</a>]

01:55:32   225 the medium is 275 and the largest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6932">TS</a>]

01:55:35   295 so all three of them are under 300 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6935">TS</a>]

01:55:38   bucks this carrion i was looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6938">TS</a>]

01:55:40   other day from another company was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6940">TS</a>]

01:55:42   seven hundred dollars so this is a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6942">TS</a>]

01:55:44   less good colors everything anything you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6944">TS</a>]

01:55:47   can say about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6947">TS</a>]

01:55:48   so anyway go check them out away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6948">TS</a>]

01:55:49   travel.com / talk show it just do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6949">TS</a>]

01:55:53   quick follow-up the it is bronte capital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6953">TS</a>]

01:55:55   but the author is John Hampton it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6955">TS</a>]

01:55:58   noticeable how do you spell Bronte and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6958">TS</a>]

01:55:59   his bone BR 0 NT e capital and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6959">TS</a>]

01:56:03   actually a blogspot site . blogspot com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6963">TS</a>]

01:56:05   so euro and te yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6965">TS</a>]

01:56:09   pron te capital C API tal . blogspot com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6969">TS</a>]

01:56:14   all right and what's the author's name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6974">TS</a>]

01:56:15   John Hampton Hampton alright there we go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6975">TS</a>]

01:56:18   what else is on our agenda we're never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6978">TS</a>]

01:56:21   going to get to all this are we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6981">TS</a>]

01:56:23   I don't be which is too bad because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6983">TS</a>]

01:56:24   they're both interesting so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6984">TS</a>]

01:56:25   Syria must Walt Mossberg row 2 column [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6985">TS</a>]

01:56:28   and then at augmented review in which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6988">TS</a>]

01:56:30   actually I'm why I liked about that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6990">TS</a>]

01:56:33   can go through all this we can do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6993">TS</a>]

01:56:35   I let's talk about the google pixel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6995">TS</a>]

01:56:37   phones we I think we can do this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6997">TS</a>]

01:56:39   pretty quickly I ordered one I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/6999">TS</a>]

01:56:41   know if you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7001">TS</a>]

01:56:42   yeah I did I haven't bought an android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7002">TS</a>]

01:56:45   phone i think in two years and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7005">TS</a>]

01:56:46   two years ago when I bought this moto x [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7006">TS</a>]

01:56:48   and I try to stay on top of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7008">TS</a>]

01:56:50   I regretted it the moment I got it this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7010">TS</a>]

01:56:52   moto x is a piece of crap and I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7012">TS</a>]

01:56:56   have gotten a nexus and I regret that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7016">TS</a>]

01:56:58   just got out of the 6p last year I swore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7018">TS</a>]

01:57:02   that I would never buy another android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7022">TS</a>]

01:57:03   phone that wasn't a nexus and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7023">TS</a>]

01:57:05   they've just abandon the nexus name and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7025">TS</a>]

01:57:07   you know taking more control over design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7027">TS</a>]

01:57:10   and Colin pixels inside to me it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7030">TS</a>]

01:57:11   only way to try and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7031">TS</a>]

01:57:13   the phone I mean look at me by Samsung [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7033">TS</a>]

01:57:15   and the things going to say on fire but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7035">TS</a>]

01:57:18   I have no interest in a samsung not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7038">TS</a>]

01:57:19   because I don't think there is no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7039">TS</a>]

01:57:21   don't want to kick dirt on her mother on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7041">TS</a>]

01:57:24   fire but the fire put dirt puts out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7044">TS</a>]

01:57:28   fuckers i know for a fact from two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7048">TS</a>]

01:57:30   minutes of dicking around with one in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7050">TS</a>]

01:57:32   cell phone store that I have no interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7052">TS</a>]

01:57:33   in buying one because of the shitty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7053">TS</a>]

01:57:35   software that they put on top of Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7055">TS</a>]

01:57:37   i can tell i want to use the Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7057">TS</a>]

01:57:39   that comes from google you don't get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7059">TS</a>]

01:57:40   from Samsung you can't get it from them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7060">TS</a>]

01:57:42   so i have no interest in it I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7062">TS</a>]

01:57:44   idea why anybody who cares about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7064">TS</a>]

01:57:46   stuff whatever by the samsung phone so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7066">TS</a>]

01:57:48   anyway I bought a pixel about the 5 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7068">TS</a>]

01:57:50   model and black and I was so torn over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7070">TS</a>]

01:57:53   whether to get the 32 gigabyte one or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7073">TS</a>]

01:57:57   all the same here 128i I honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7077">TS</a>]

01:58:00   despite to cost me three days and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7080">TS</a>]

01:58:03   got further behind in the shipping q [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7083">TS</a>]

01:58:05   because I couldn't decide which one to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7085">TS</a>]

01:58:06   buy because I thought I with my with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7086">TS</a>]

01:58:10   iphone I've always bought the largest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7090">TS</a>]

01:58:12   capacity one there is even this year i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7092">TS</a>]

01:58:14   got the 256 even though my my old phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7094">TS</a>]

01:58:16   was only it like I don't know like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7096">TS</a>]

01:58:18   hundred or so or 90 some had plenty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7098">TS</a>]

01:58:21   space i needed more than 64 but I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7101">TS</a>]

01:58:23   well under 128 and I probably would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7103">TS</a>]

01:58:25   for another year but I just don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7105">TS</a>]

01:58:27   worry about if I want to shoot 4k video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7107">TS</a>]

01:58:29   shoot 4k video and off to clear it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7109">TS</a>]

01:58:32   with the pixel I really am ninety-nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7112">TS</a>]

01:58:36   percent sure it's not going to become my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7116">TS</a>]

01:58:38   daily phone just in case it does well or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7118">TS</a>]

01:58:41   just in case i did thought that occurs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7121">TS</a>]

01:58:43   to me is what if I'm testing it and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7123">TS</a>]

01:58:45   some something really fascinating a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7125">TS</a>]

01:58:47   newsworthy happens and i want to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7127">TS</a>]

01:58:49   shooting 4k video you know I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7129">TS</a>]

01:58:52   to you know have it fill up so I got 12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7132">TS</a>]

01:58:57   i got the same model that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7137">TS</a>]

01:58:58   degenerating 128 now I ended up and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7138">TS</a>]

01:59:01   I you know money two squirts through my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7141">TS</a>]

01:59:03   hands my fingers like water but i ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7143">TS</a>]

01:59:06   up saving a hundred dollars this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7146">TS</a>]

01:59:08   time i bought the 32 gigabyte version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7148">TS</a>]

01:59:09   idea a guide to get the 128 it is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7149">TS</a>]

01:59:14   to me this product is is absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7154">TS</a>]

01:59:16   fascinating and its continued it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7156">TS</a>]

01:59:20   like at the 120 yeah I even went to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7160">TS</a>]

01:59:22   next day I even went to change my order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7162">TS</a>]

01:59:24   and it was too late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7164">TS</a>]

01:59:25   it's again that processing queue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7165">TS</a>]

01:59:27   yes I would have had to cancel it and go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7167">TS</a>]

01:59:28   to the end of the qtr that our i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7168">TS</a>]

01:59:30   stick with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7170">TS</a>]

01:59:31   alright why are you fascinated by it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7171">TS</a>]

01:59:35   the most interesting thing is I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7175">TS</a>]

01:59:37   go back i have like i mentioned i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7177">TS</a>]

01:59:39   the Wits the 6p though the wily one from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7179">TS</a>]

01:59:42   last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7182">TS</a>]

01:59:42   very nice phone I and i still find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7182">TS</a>]

01:59:45   android android frustrating like it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7185">TS</a>]

01:59:50   me the like scrolling is like my the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7190">TS</a>]

01:59:53   white well for me and android like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7193">TS</a>]

01:59:55   just it just it's like nails scratching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7195">TS</a>]

01:59:58   on the chalk mark in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7198">TS</a>]

01:59:58   on the chalk mark in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7198">TS</a>]

02:00:00   rising up the wall ah but what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7200">TS</a>]

02:00:03   interesting is my 6p is not getting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7203">TS</a>]

02:00:05   google assistant so you go back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7205">TS</a>]

02:00:07   way they opened up that presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7207">TS</a>]

02:00:09   they didn't start out with the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7209">TS</a>]

02:00:11   they started out by talking about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7211">TS</a>]

02:00:13   the history of tax executives the PC era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7213">TS</a>]

02:00:15   and then there was the Internet era and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7215">TS</a>]

02:00:17   then there was the mobile area now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7217">TS</a>]

02:00:19   in the era which I don't think I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7219">TS</a>]

02:00:21   think I don't quite agree that i talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7221">TS</a>]

02:00:23   about that on an exponent on this last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7223">TS</a>]

02:00:26   week but the point is it's all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7226">TS</a>]

02:00:29   Google assistant and then from there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7229">TS</a>]

02:00:31   they went to the pixel phone so that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7231">TS</a>]

02:00:34   the framing for interesting the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7234">TS</a>]

02:00:35   and they weren't selling a phone they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7235">TS</a>]

02:00:37   were selling access to the google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7237">TS</a>]

02:00:39   assistant what's so interesting is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7239">TS</a>]

02:00:41   google assistant is not a part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7241">TS</a>]

02:00:44   Android it does not it's not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7244">TS</a>]

02:00:46   on the Nexus phones it's not on phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7246">TS</a>]

02:00:49   from third parties at all they can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7249">TS</a>]

02:00:50   their own since they wanted in samsung [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7250">TS</a>]

02:00:52   bot viv but another assistant and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7252">TS</a>]

02:00:56   heard rumors that it might be available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7256">TS</a>]

02:00:59   i'm not sure if it and I suspect not if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7259">TS</a>]

02:01:01   it is all I will have thoughts about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7261">TS</a>]

02:01:04   that because what's interesting is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7264">TS</a>]

02:01:06   that framing is right that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7266">TS</a>]

02:01:07   moving to a new world of this assistant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7267">TS</a>]

02:01:10   world then that sounds like a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7270">TS</a>]

02:01:14   good news from google right because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7274">TS</a>]

02:01:16   sort of this assistant stuff is right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7276">TS</a>]

02:01:18   their wheelhouse we can get into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7278">TS</a>]

02:01:20   quality assistant i think that i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7280">TS</a>]

02:01:22   sure LOL is a good representation of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7282">TS</a>]

02:01:24   good it may or may not be but at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7284">TS</a>]

02:01:26   like sort of theoretically it's easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7286">TS</a>]

02:01:29   imagine that Google's assistant is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7289">TS</a>]

02:01:31   to be more capable than than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7291">TS</a>]

02:01:34   competition because that that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7294">TS</a>]

02:01:35   they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7295">TS</a>]

02:01:36   alright i believe the problem the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7296">TS</a>]

02:01:38   problem for google is assist this world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7298">TS</a>]

02:01:42   is a great fit for them technologically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7302">TS</a>]

02:01:45   and it's a horrible fit for them from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7305">TS</a>]

02:01:48   business model perspective because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7308">TS</a>]

02:01:50   way google makes money is they basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7310">TS</a>]

02:01:52   make their advertisers compete against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7312">TS</a>]

02:01:56   each other and they compete to get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7316">TS</a>]

02:01:58   front of customers and then the customer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7318">TS</a>]

02:02:00   chooses the winner based click on an ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7320">TS</a>]

02:02:02   they select and add and click on it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7322">TS</a>]

02:02:04   that's the one that gets that that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7324">TS</a>]

02:02:05   that that that pays money but it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7325">TS</a>]

02:02:08   great insight and so let me let me let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7328">TS</a>]

02:02:09   me see if you agree with this that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7329">TS</a>]

02:02:11   the main product that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7331">TS</a>]

02:02:13   google for since its inception has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7333">TS</a>]

02:02:15   served is a list of search results right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7335">TS</a>]

02:02:20   you know and this is goes across all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7340">TS</a>]

02:02:22   their products you know it mean in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7342">TS</a>]

02:02:23   whatever they make from gmail I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7343">TS</a>]

02:02:25   think it it's a drop in the bucket I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7345">TS</a>]

02:02:26   think compared to search results and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7346">TS</a>]

02:02:28   product is you type in a little thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7348">TS</a>]

02:02:30   this little box and hit return and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7350">TS</a>]

02:02:32   Google about you know one-tenth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7352">TS</a>]

02:02:35   two-tenths of a second later gives you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7355">TS</a>]

02:02:37   list of results and originally it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7357">TS</a>]

02:02:39   all just search results and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7359">TS</a>]

02:02:42   competitors were doing things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7362">TS</a>]

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02:03:42   crashed at me I said she was screaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7422">TS</a>]

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02:03:49   responding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7429">TS</a>]

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02:03:52   working properly that's because it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7432">TS</a>]

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02:04:08   of native advertising where I serve up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7448">TS</a>]

02:04:10   bunch of short articles every week and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7450">TS</a>]

02:04:14   sell one of them to a sponsor who I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7454">TS</a>]

02:04:18   is you know of interest to my audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7458">TS</a>]

02:04:22   and it just slips right in to the RSS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7462">TS</a>]

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02:04:37   is no internet there's no room for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7477">TS</a>]

02:04:38   in an interaction with a voice assistant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7478">TS</a>]

02:04:40   you know I mean like if I say to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7480">TS</a>]

02:04:43   voice assistant hey dingus the book me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7483">TS</a>]

02:04:46   on a flight to san francisco on $MONTH [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7486">TS</a>]

02:04:47   october 26th the dingus can't come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7487">TS</a>]

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02:04:58   make selections like in this is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7498">TS</a>]

02:05:00   this is exactly at the like an assistant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7500">TS</a>]

02:05:02   works if it gives you answers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7502">TS</a>]

02:05:05   whereas Google's business model is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7505">TS</a>]

02:05:06   predicated on giving you options and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7506">TS</a>]

02:05:10   and so in a world where you give answers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7510">TS</a>]

02:05:12   not options their business model falls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7512">TS</a>]

02:05:14   apart and people like all well people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7514">TS</a>]

02:05:15   could there could be sponsored results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7515">TS</a>]

02:05:17   and one most italian sounds terrible but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7517">TS</a>]

02:05:21   to yes there are some scenarios where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7521">TS</a>]

02:05:23   like Google could maybe charge an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7523">TS</a>]

02:05:25   affiliate fee or something right like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7525">TS</a>]

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02:05:29   table at X restaurant and Google use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7529">TS</a>]

02:05:31   opentable and opentable pay school and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7531">TS</a>]

02:05:33   affiliate fee that that light right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7533">TS</a>]

02:05:35   investors easy but just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7535">TS</a>]

02:05:38   listening to it sounds ridiculous one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7538">TS</a>]

02:05:40   there's very few areas that will work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7540">TS</a>]

02:05:42   but to affiliate fees are not very high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7542">TS</a>]

02:05:46   relative to what companies pay for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7546">TS</a>]

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02:05:55   booking.com or or Expedia or all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7555">TS</a>]

02:05:58   sort of things they're not only looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7558">TS</a>]

02:06:00   to complete a purchase which they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7560">TS</a>]

02:06:02   pay an affiliate fee for if that was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7562">TS</a>]

02:06:05   option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7565">TS</a>]

02:06:05   they're also looking to acquire a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7565">TS</a>]

02:06:07   customer for the long run and so they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7567">TS</a>]

02:06:09   they're calculating the value of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7569">TS</a>]

02:06:11   $OPERAND that add on a lifetime value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7571">TS</a>]

02:06:12   sort of calculation which means their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7572">TS</a>]

02:06:15   willingness to pay for an ad is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7575">TS</a>]

02:06:17   higher than it would be for pure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7577">TS</a>]

02:06:19   affiliate model so didn't the net of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7579">TS</a>]

02:06:22   is is that in an assistant world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7582">TS</a>]

02:06:24   Google's general business model doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7584">TS</a>]

02:06:25   work there might be winning ways they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7585">TS</a>]

02:06:27   could make money but one that's not very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7587">TS</a>]

02:06:29   many and to the amount they can charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7589">TS</a>]

02:06:31   for them is just not that much right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7591">TS</a>]

02:06:33   imagine if you have a real personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7593">TS</a>]

02:06:35   assistant if you hired a person and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7595">TS</a>]

02:06:37   said you're a person you said your you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7597">TS</a>]

02:06:40   said hey Sam get me a reservation at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7600">TS</a>]

02:06:44   house of prime rib wednesday at ten and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7604">TS</a>]

02:06:46   then Sam said to you why don't I booked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7606">TS</a>]

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02:06:50   can pay my mortgage busy accounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7610">TS</a>]

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02:06:56   you'd fire of you be like are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7616">TS</a>]

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02:07:00   what I told you to do right exactly just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7620">TS</a>]

02:07:02   as a dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7622">TS</a>]

02:07:03   no it doesn't google so this is a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7623">TS</a>]

02:07:05   problem for google and it's already a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7625">TS</a>]

02:07:07   problem on mobile and you see like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7627">TS</a>]

02:07:08   mobile their stuff they've stuffed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7628">TS</a>]

02:07:11   page with now three ads and they did is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7631">TS</a>]

02:07:13   funny is the last a year ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7633">TS</a>]

02:07:15   cool ghouls quarterly results like oh we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7635">TS</a>]

02:07:18   have this huge explosion mobile revenue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7638">TS</a>]

02:07:20   things are great did it up and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7640">TS</a>]

02:07:22   happened was they put a third having the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7642">TS</a>]

02:07:24   page so that when you perform many life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7644">TS</a>]

02:07:28   for high monetizing results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7648">TS</a>]

02:07:30   you only saw ads on the first screen you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7650">TS</a>]

02:07:32   to scroll down to get the results they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7652">TS</a>]

02:07:34   basically a patient could model if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7654">TS</a>]

02:07:36   want to be sort of you mean about it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7656">TS</a>]

02:07:39   now so it's funny because the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7659">TS</a>]

02:07:41   google earnings call the CFO was trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7661">TS</a>]

02:07:44   like talk down the next quarter like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7664">TS</a>]

02:07:46   what we're going to see it's a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7666">TS</a>]

02:07:47   since we made changes to the mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7667">TS</a>]

02:07:48   experiences like oh what's gonna happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7668">TS</a>]

02:07:51   once you don't have the nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7671">TS</a>]

02:07:52   year-over-year comparison of like three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7672">TS</a>]

02:07:54   ads vs. to any of the jump point is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7674">TS</a>]

02:07:57   their business model it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7677">TS</a>]

02:07:59   translate as well as their technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7679">TS</a>]

02:08:00   does and so the whatsoever with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7680">TS</a>]

02:08:04   pixel and why I'm so fascinated by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7684">TS</a>]

02:08:07   fact that the assistant is only on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7687">TS</a>]

02:08:09   pixel is what is a way to make money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7689">TS</a>]

02:08:14   well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7694">TS</a>]

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02:08:17   money because we want to use iOS we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7697">TS</a>]

02:08:20   think iOS is is this . operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7700">TS</a>]

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02:08:26   way to get it has to buy a physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7706">TS</a>]

02:08:28   phone from Apple you can install it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7708">TS</a>]

02:08:30   the phone it's like that's the mac model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7710">TS</a>]

02:08:32   brought to the phone right Apple has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7712">TS</a>]

02:08:33   monopoly on iOS for all intensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7713">TS</a>]

02:08:35   purposes it kind of sounds like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7715">TS</a>]

02:08:39   again we'll see how it turns on the long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7719">TS</a>]

02:08:40   run and but it makes conceptual and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7720">TS</a>]

02:08:42   strategic sense that Google's doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7722">TS</a>]

02:08:45   with google assistant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7725">TS</a>]

02:08:46   if we move to a world where assistance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7726">TS</a>]

02:08:49   matter and if the google assistant is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7729">TS</a>]

02:08:51   far and away the best assistant which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7731">TS</a>]

02:08:53   think is is it's reasonable there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7733">TS</a>]

02:08:55   scenario where you could see that being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7735">TS</a>]

02:08:56   the case just given the sort of company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7736">TS</a>]

02:08:58   that google is what they're good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7738">TS</a>]

02:09:00   if you want google assistant how are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7740">TS</a>]

02:09:02   gonna get it you you're gonna buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7742">TS</a>]

02:09:05   google phone that costs $MONEY and fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7745">TS</a>]

02:09:07   dollars and over time if they get scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7747">TS</a>]

02:09:09   has a big profit margin or constant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7749">TS</a>]

02:09:11   daily cost some amount of money where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7751">TS</a>]

02:09:13   the amount of profit that they can turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7753">TS</a>]

02:09:14   on the phone is worth it for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7754">TS</a>]

02:09:16   expected lifetime that you'll be using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7756">TS</a>]

02:09:18   the phone that they can just give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7758">TS</a>]

02:09:19   you know that they're there best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7759">TS</a>]

02:09:22   assistant software quote-unquote for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7762">TS</a>]

02:09:24   free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7764">TS</a>]

02:09:24   totally and I i bet if assistant does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7764">TS</a>]

02:09:27   end up on other phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7767">TS</a>]

02:09:28   it's probably did google very well may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7768">TS</a>]

02:09:31   be charging for it right and and it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7771">TS</a>]

02:09:35   so fascinating because you don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7775">TS</a>]

02:09:37   rarely see companies like completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7777">TS</a>]

02:09:39   changing their business model but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7779">TS</a>]

02:09:42   it's because it's theoretically it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7782">TS</a>]

02:09:44   so much sense like I can totally blew I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7784">TS</a>]

02:09:47   i'm a bit general proponent of voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7787">TS</a>]

02:09:49   computing i think it's going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7789">TS</a>]

02:09:50   bigger deal than people think i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7790">TS</a>]

02:09:52   saying it's gonna like touch screens are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7792">TS</a>]

02:09:54   going away phones are going away just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7794">TS</a>]

02:09:56   like computers didn't go away but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7796">TS</a>]

02:09:58   fact that you can talk anywhere I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7798">TS</a>]

02:10:01   putting aside the in the crowded subway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7801">TS</a>]

02:10:03   i think we're gonna have like our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7803">TS</a>]

02:10:04   assistant voices kinda like how never in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7804">TS</a>]

02:10:07   ten years will know that we're looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7807">TS</a>]

02:10:08   at screens all the time but we do like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7808">TS</a>]

02:10:10   can see in 10 years people are kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7810">TS</a>]

02:10:11   muttering all the time to wonder if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7811">TS</a>]

02:10:14   could ever get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7814">TS</a>]

02:10:14   I don't know I'm just ripping somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7814">TS</a>]

02:10:17   off but if I could ever get like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7817">TS</a>]

02:10:18   groupers law it would be that anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7818">TS</a>]

02:10:22   that's anything computing that slow will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7822">TS</a>]

02:10:24   eventually be fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7824">TS</a>]

02:10:25   yes and what it is Moore's law the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7825">TS</a>]

02:10:28   that's the man that's who I'm rippin off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7828">TS</a>]

02:10:30   I don't never heard never heard of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7830">TS</a>]

02:10:32   but i guess i'm hoping at all and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7832">TS</a>]

02:10:36   know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7836">TS</a>]

02:10:36   what were touch screens like 20 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7836">TS</a>]

02:10:38   ago 25 years ago they were terribly slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7838">TS</a>]

02:10:41   right there was you know it's eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7841">TS</a>]

02:10:43   though they got super fast and voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7843">TS</a>]

02:10:45   computing is so much faster than it used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7845">TS</a>]

02:10:47   to be but it still is slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7847">TS</a>]

02:10:49   I don't care who you think the best is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7849">TS</a>]

02:10:51   whether you think it's a Alexo with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7851">TS</a>]

02:10:54   echo or Google or Siri or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7854">TS</a>]

02:10:57   I've never seen a single one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7857">TS</a>]

02:10:59   answer a question is quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7859">TS</a>]

02:11:00   as a human being can write like if I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7860">TS</a>]

02:11:03   asked you and you've been outside today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7863">TS</a>]

02:11:06   what's the weather like outside you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7866">TS</a>]

02:11:08   answer me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7868">TS</a>]

02:11:09   way faster than any of those things can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7869">TS</a>]

02:11:10   right now there's a certain lengths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7870">TS</a>]

02:11:12   latency to it and there's a certain even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7872">TS</a>]

02:11:14   slowness to the way they read read back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7874">TS</a>]

02:11:17   the answer that's that's so much faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7877">TS</a>]

02:11:20   if you have a you know if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7880">TS</a>]

02:11:22   actually talking to a human but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7882">TS</a>]

02:11:23   eventually voice interaction with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7883">TS</a>]

02:11:24   computers will be as fast as we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7884">TS</a>]

02:11:26   perceive it will get faster than you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7886">TS</a>]

02:11:28   know it'll it'll get so fast that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7888">TS</a>]

02:11:30   could go faster than we can even listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7890">TS</a>]

02:11:32   to them and at that point it will be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7892">TS</a>]

02:11:34   much more useful right and the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7894">TS</a>]

02:11:36   thing is i'm a big believer that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7896">TS</a>]

02:11:39   more pervasive of computing is the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7899">TS</a>]

02:11:42   will be used like there's lots of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7902">TS</a>]

02:11:44   that is better and more quote unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7904">TS</a>]

02:11:47   efficient to do on a computer that we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7907">TS</a>]

02:11:49   in our phones now and I I'm a very heavy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7909">TS</a>]

02:11:51   phone user guy I act i'm mainly only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7911">TS</a>]

02:11:53   write on my computer I got the vast dry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7913">TS</a>]

02:11:55   reading and research and everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7915">TS</a>]

02:11:57   is on the phone and the it convenience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7917">TS</a>]

02:12:01   always ends up trumping sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7921">TS</a>]

02:12:03   efficiency like if something's available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7923">TS</a>]

02:12:05   we use it and the idea that like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7925">TS</a>]

02:12:09   the air pods are such a are such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7929">TS</a>]

02:12:11   fascinating product because they point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7931">TS</a>]

02:12:13   to this future right this idea that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7933">TS</a>]

02:12:14   can set the airport's up and now they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7934">TS</a>]

02:12:16   paired your watch and you can it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7936">TS</a>]

02:12:18   here yet but you can see a future where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7938">TS</a>]

02:12:20   you just always have their pods and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7940">TS</a>]

02:12:22   watch with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7942">TS</a>]

02:12:23   whereas you might get your phone in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7943">TS</a>]

02:12:25   pocket might be a pain or be maybe don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7945">TS</a>]

02:12:26   have your phone with your or all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7946">TS</a>]

02:12:28   sorts of things again we're not there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7948">TS</a>]

02:12:31   yet we're not close to there yet but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7951">TS</a>]

02:12:32   overtime convenience ends up trumping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7952">TS</a>]

02:12:36   everything particularly to your point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7956">TS</a>]

02:12:38   once Gruber's walk kicks in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7958">TS</a>]

02:12:40   I you know it is internet I hadn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7960">TS</a>]

02:12:43   really thought about that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7963">TS</a>]

02:12:44   definitely been thinking about the pixel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7964">TS</a>]

02:12:45   as being almost like I've written about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7965">TS</a>]

02:12:47   it that it's it's so utterly iphone like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7967">TS</a>]

02:12:51   that it's not even to me it almost goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7971">TS</a>]

02:12:54   beyond shameful because they're not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7974">TS</a>]

02:12:56   there not even hiding it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7976">TS</a>]

02:12:58   you know in terms of it it even has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7978">TS</a>]

02:13:01   exact same prices it's literally the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7981">TS</a>]

02:13:02   same price for the same capacity you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7982">TS</a>]

02:13:06   know it's you know obviously it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7986">TS</a>]

02:13:09   clone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7989">TS</a>]

02:13:10   it's not meant to be indistinguishable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7990">TS</a>]

02:13:11   but it especially from the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7991">TS</a>]

02:13:13   face it's so I phone like I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7993">TS</a>]

02:13:17   fact that the chin is completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/7997">TS</a>]

02:13:20   symmetric with the forehead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8000">TS</a>]

02:13:23   even though they don't even have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8003">TS</a>]

02:13:24   button down there yeah it aesthetically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8004">TS</a>]

02:13:27   it's it it it is so iphone like it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8007">TS</a>]

02:13:30   ridiculous but i don't it to me it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8010">TS</a>]

02:13:34   it's not shameful in a way that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8014">TS</a>]

02:13:36   Samsung's copying was or HTC's copying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8016">TS</a>]

02:13:40   has been its i would be embarrassed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8020">TS</a>]

02:13:43   put my name on it as a design but I kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8023">TS</a>]

02:13:45   of understand it and it's there's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8025">TS</a>]

02:13:46   like a task it like with the with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8026">TS</a>]

02:13:49   Samsung it's always there was always a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8029">TS</a>]

02:13:51   sort of applewood never heard of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8031">TS</a>]

02:13:53   sort of aspect to the accusations that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8033">TS</a>]

02:13:56   they copied whereas with google like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8036">TS</a>]

02:13:57   their initial PR for the pixel they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8037">TS</a>]

02:14:01   they mentioned the iphone and said yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8041">TS</a>]

02:14:03   we all we tried to make it different in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8043">TS</a>]

02:14:05   certain ways but there's sort of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8045">TS</a>]

02:14:07   implicit yes these are you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8047">TS</a>]

02:14:11   these phones are based on the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8051">TS</a>]

02:14:12   where the best phones are iphones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8052">TS</a>]

02:14:14   the phones the other people that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8054">TS</a>]

02:14:16   trying to sell two are currently using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8056">TS</a>]

02:14:18   iPhones and I in its inch into what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8058">TS</a>]

02:14:23   we've been talking about it extends all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8063">TS</a>]

02:14:25   the way to the model like in this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8065">TS</a>]

02:14:26   this case Google and so it is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8066">TS</a>]

02:14:28   integrated model in integration in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8068">TS</a>]

02:14:30   computing is not is not i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8070">TS</a>]

02:14:32   been constrained people only think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8072">TS</a>]

02:14:35   the OS and a software you can integrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8075">TS</a>]

02:14:38   anywhere in the value chain in this case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8078">TS</a>]

02:14:40   Google is using like the android is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8080">TS</a>]

02:14:43   is your firewall off from the google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8083">TS</a>]

02:14:45   voice thing I will see how much that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8085">TS</a>]

02:14:46   actually is the case in practice but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8086">TS</a>]

02:14:48   that actually makes sense that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8088">TS</a>]

02:14:49   sense because what does android provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8089">TS</a>]

02:14:52   for for google it provides the ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8092">TS</a>]

02:14:54   provides all the apps and apps our table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8094">TS</a>]

02:14:56   stakes right and so keeping a standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8096">TS</a>]

02:14:58   Android that makes that you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8098">TS</a>]

02:15:01   general the compatibility problem has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8101">TS</a>]

02:15:03   gotten better for you know for android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8103">TS</a>]

02:15:05   development in general and keeping that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8105">TS</a>]

02:15:06   going is good you don't want it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8106">TS</a>]

02:15:09   don't want to differentiate it too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8109">TS</a>]

02:15:10   but that's okay because that's not what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8110">TS</a>]

02:15:12   that's not what is selling the pixel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8112">TS</a>]

02:15:14   phone it was selling the pixel phone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8114">TS</a>]

02:15:16   the assistant and so the integration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8116">TS</a>]

02:15:18   that matters here is the integration of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8118">TS</a>]

02:15:20   the assistant with the hardware where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8120">TS</a>]

02:15:22   the assistant is the differentiating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8122">TS</a>]

02:15:24   factor which is why you buy the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8124">TS</a>]

02:15:25   is how they make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8125">TS</a>]

02:15:27   me it looked in the problem is it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8127">TS</a>]

02:15:29   tons of sense in theory the issue is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8129">TS</a>]

02:15:32   that Google changing business is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8132">TS</a>]

02:15:35   hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8135">TS</a>]

02:15:35   google has shown no aptitude and being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8135">TS</a>]

02:15:38   instant selling stuff and it's there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8138">TS</a>]

02:15:42   lot of work that has to be done you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8142">TS</a>]

02:15:44   to set up distribution you have to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8144">TS</a>]

02:15:46   lot of market just like Samsung spends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8146">TS</a>]

02:15:47   like 400 million dollars in marketing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8147">TS</a>]

02:15:50   year or something like that they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8150">TS</a>]

02:15:52   connections with every single phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8152">TS</a>]

02:15:53   seller and in the world and carrier like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8153">TS</a>]

02:15:55   that's all stuff that Google's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8155">TS</a>]

02:15:57   have to build and it's not stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8157">TS</a>]

02:15:59   google has traditionally been very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8159">TS</a>]

02:16:02   head to say the least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8162">TS</a>]

02:16:03   I need to google it's like the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8163">TS</a>]

02:16:04   like we operate at scale and we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8164">TS</a>]

02:16:06   need to get into the monkey details like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8166">TS</a>]

02:16:08   they've had the fortune of being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8168">TS</a>]

02:16:10   get their whole existence and whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8170">TS</a>]

02:16:12   they can pull that off is I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8172">TS</a>]

02:16:15   very fair to be skeptical about I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8175">TS</a>]

02:16:17   know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8177">TS</a>]

02:16:18   what the what the upside is for pixel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8178">TS</a>]

02:16:20   sales like wherewhere what's the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8180">TS</a>]

02:16:22   scenario what's the best-case scenario i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8182">TS</a>]

02:16:24   don't think it's very big at least not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8184">TS</a>]

02:16:26   not not this year year or two right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8186">TS</a>]

02:16:29   mean and again yeah you know who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8189">TS</a>]

02:16:32   what could happen three four five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8192">TS</a>]

02:16:33   but a good start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8193">TS</a>]

02:16:35   you know can get you there and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8195">TS</a>]

02:16:36   sort of a you know like look at Tesla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8196">TS</a>]

02:16:39   where i just linked to a thing today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8199">TS</a>]

02:16:41   which really shocked me honestly that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8201">TS</a>]

02:16:43   Tesla has sold more you know in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8203">TS</a>]

02:16:46   hundred-thousand-dollar range clasp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8206">TS</a>]

02:16:47   hands more of them than BMW and Mercedes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8207">TS</a>]

02:16:50   combined last year they sold more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8210">TS</a>]

02:16:52   Tesla's then the mercedes s-class and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8212">TS</a>]

02:16:56   BMW 7-series combined that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8216">TS</a>]

02:16:59   unbelievable to me I I can't believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8219">TS</a>]

02:17:01   that and part of that is just being in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8221">TS</a>]

02:17:02   Philadelphia where Tesla is not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8222">TS</a>]

02:17:05   anywhere near as bigger presence is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8225">TS</a>]

02:17:06   surely does in the valley and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8226">TS</a>]

02:17:08   other places i see way more Mercedes S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8228">TS</a>]

02:17:11   classes and BMW 7-series on a road that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8231">TS</a>]

02:17:14   I do Tesla but i have no reason to doubt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8234">TS</a>]

02:17:16   it but it's eye-opening it's it's a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8236">TS</a>]

02:17:18   to gain a foothold and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8238">TS</a>]

02:17:20   seven hundred dollar cell phones are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8240">TS</a>]

02:17:22   clearly the cellphone equivalent of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8242">TS</a>]

02:17:25   know the s-class you know level of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8245">TS</a>]

02:17:28   car where you know around the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8248">TS</a>]

02:17:30   globally most people can't afford it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8250">TS</a>]

02:17:33   that's where android has their foothold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8253">TS</a>]

02:17:35   is android completely dominates the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8255">TS</a>]

02:17:38   have a hundred dollars or two hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8258">TS</a>]

02:17:39   dollars to spend on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8259">TS</a>]

02:17:40   phone right well you get what is the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8260">TS</a>]

02:17:43   sorry about two things i would say is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8263">TS</a>]

02:17:46   that also your friends or first thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8266">TS</a>]

02:17:50   would say is one I don't think you'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8270">TS</a>]

02:17:52   able to judge the pixel and this will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8272">TS</a>]

02:17:54   a challenge for google internally to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8274">TS</a>]

02:17:56   remember this by its one-year to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8276">TS</a>]

02:17:58   yourself because you just you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8278">TS</a>]

02:18:00   impossible to come out the gate in cell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8280">TS</a>]

02:18:01   like tens of millions of units and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8281">TS</a>]

02:18:04   and there's gonna be plenty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8284">TS</a>]

02:18:05   opportunities for Apple people to block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8285">TS</a>]

02:18:07   the sales numbers say I apples that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8287">TS</a>]

02:18:08   in a week or whatever and that's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8288">TS</a>]

02:18:09   be totally valid but if Google is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8289">TS</a>]

02:18:13   serious about this being a genuine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8293">TS</a>]

02:18:15   business where they actually do make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8295">TS</a>]

02:18:17   money from hardware which again all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8297">TS</a>]

02:18:18   indications are is it is you why would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8298">TS</a>]

02:18:22   you make it exclusive if that's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8302">TS</a>]

02:18:23   goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8303">TS</a>]

02:18:24   it takes years to build that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8304">TS</a>]

02:18:26   business and so this they would need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8306">TS</a>]

02:18:29   start now in 2016 to have a viable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8309">TS</a>]

02:18:32   business in 20 19 or 20 20 and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8312">TS</a>]

02:18:34   think about it that's probably when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8314">TS</a>]

02:18:36   these assistants are gonna be getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8316">TS</a>]

02:18:37   really really good and so you again if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8317">TS</a>]

02:18:41   they have the fortitude to pull this off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8321">TS</a>]

02:18:43   you could see a world where in 2020 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8323">TS</a>]

02:18:45   google has this unbelievable assistant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8325">TS</a>]

02:18:48   it's only available on their phones they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8328">TS</a>]

02:18:50   have volume up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8330">TS</a>]

02:18:51   they have all the connections carries up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8331">TS</a>]

02:18:53   remember how long it took Apple to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8333">TS</a>]

02:18:54   every country in the world right how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8334">TS</a>]

02:18:56   long to get every carrier expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8336">TS</a>]

02:18:58   especially you want to control the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8338">TS</a>]

02:18:59   experience like Google clearly wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8339">TS</a>]

02:19:01   do it that takes years to build up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8341">TS</a>]

02:19:05   by starting now ideally once google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8345">TS</a>]

02:19:08   assistant is good enough that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8348">TS</a>]

02:19:09   actually a reason to buy then they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8349">TS</a>]

02:19:13   be placed to do it so it may add in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8353">TS</a>]

02:19:15   respect I think the timing does make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8355">TS</a>]

02:19:17   sense again I just don't know google who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8357">TS</a>]

02:19:19   has it in them to go through that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8359">TS</a>]

02:19:22   multi-year slog of building the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8362">TS</a>]

02:19:24   business but there is certainly a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8364">TS</a>]

02:19:27   theoretical reason why it makes a ton of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8367">TS</a>]

02:19:28   sense I think I i really have a hunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8368">TS</a>]

02:19:32   that maybe that the pixels might be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8372">TS</a>]

02:19:35   miniature hit in the valley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8375">TS</a>]

02:19:38   I almost feel like they're almost built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8378">TS</a>]

02:19:41   for at least this year to be like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8381">TS</a>]

02:19:44   popular phone and in Silicon Valley in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8384">TS</a>]

02:19:46   San Francisco because I for whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8386">TS</a>]

02:19:50   reason i think google has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8390">TS</a>]

02:19:52   and outsized presence on iphone users in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8392">TS</a>]

02:19:57   that area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8397">TS</a>]

02:19:58   I think there's an awful lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8398">TS</a>]

02:20:00   who have iphones but use a lot of google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8400">TS</a>]

02:20:04   apps and like maybe use you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8404">TS</a>]

02:20:06   the gmail app instead of apple mail and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8406">TS</a>]

02:20:08   you know I don't know I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8408">TS</a>]

02:20:10   many of music Chrome on iOS instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8410">TS</a>]

02:20:12   safari which doesn't make a lot of sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8412">TS</a>]

02:20:14   to me because it doesn't even get to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8414">TS</a>]

02:20:15   its own rendering engine but and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8415">TS</a>]

02:20:18   seen articles along that line and I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8418">TS</a>]

02:20:20   it and press events when I go there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8420">TS</a>]

02:20:22   I see a lot of the people I know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8422">TS</a>]

02:20:24   friends I have who are bless Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8424">TS</a>]

02:20:27   centric and more cover the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8427">TS</a>]

02:20:28   industry almost the most common scenario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8428">TS</a>]

02:20:32   i see with them at the cell phone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8432">TS</a>]

02:20:34   that they use an iphone and when i get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8434">TS</a>]

02:20:35   look at what they use or if I see there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8435">TS</a>]

02:20:37   you know docker you know the homescreen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8437">TS</a>]

02:20:39   the first home screen an awful lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8439">TS</a>]

02:20:41   them use google apps on their iPhone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8441">TS</a>]

02:20:47   I have a half-written piece I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8447">TS</a>]

02:20:48   even finished yet but Lauren good at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8448">TS</a>]

02:20:51   verge had an article this week about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8451">TS</a>]

02:20:54   I message is the glue that keeps her on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8454">TS</a>]

02:20:56   keeps are using an iphone instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8456">TS</a>]

02:20:57   switching to an android phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8457">TS</a>]

02:21:01   underlying premise of it is that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8461">TS</a>]

02:21:03   nothing else on iOS that keeps people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8463">TS</a>]

02:21:05   tied to it which i completely disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8465">TS</a>]

02:21:07   with but it also reminds me of me see if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8467">TS</a>]

02:21:11   I have it on my clipboard an article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8471">TS</a>]

02:21:13   from last year by guile at nope not my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8473">TS</a>]

02:21:16   clipboard BuzzFeed who wrote an article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8476">TS</a>]

02:21:22   his name's Charlie Worzel that was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8482">TS</a>]

02:21:29   or less like hey everybody i know hide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8489">TS</a>]

02:21:31   all that built-in apple apps in folders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8491">TS</a>]

02:21:33   and stuff like that and replaces them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8493">TS</a>]

02:21:34   with with Google Apps what is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8494">TS</a>]

02:21:40   names that you used for the folders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8500">TS</a>]

02:21:41   where you hide all of your Apple apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8501">TS</a>]

02:21:44   and it's bunch of screenshots of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8504">TS</a>]

02:21:47   like crapple and junk and stuff i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8507">TS</a>]

02:21:50   use and i use the is the Apple emoji [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8510">TS</a>]

02:21:53   that's pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8513">TS</a>]

02:21:55   I'd I don't I think they're sort of in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8515">TS</a>]

02:21:59   bubble where I think most people use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8519">TS</a>]

02:22:01   default i think it and I nothing better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8521">TS</a>]

02:22:03   exemplifies it then the popularity of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8523">TS</a>]

02:22:05   Apple maps right that by far and away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8525">TS</a>]

02:22:06   the most popular map app on iOS is Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8526">TS</a>]

02:22:09   maps and like I was on Josh Topolsky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8529">TS</a>]

02:22:11   show like a better are not real recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8531">TS</a>]

02:22:14   but sometime within the last year and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8534">TS</a>]

02:22:16   liked couldn't believe that I use Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8536">TS</a>]

02:22:18   maps and for me where I live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8538">TS</a>]

02:22:20   you know I know you and I have spoken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8540">TS</a>]

02:22:21   about this that you go around the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8541">TS</a>]

02:22:22   and is very different but here where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8542">TS</a>]

02:22:24   live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8544">TS</a>]

02:22:25   it's really great and the only thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8545">TS</a>]

02:22:27   used to use google maps for was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8547">TS</a>]

02:22:28   translated and now Apple maps has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8548">TS</a>]

02:22:30   transit in the cities i go to so it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8550">TS</a>]

02:22:33   good for me but I can see why normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8553">TS</a>]

02:22:35   people i mean it for me it's an informed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8555">TS</a>]

02:22:37   decision when I compare it to google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8557">TS</a>]

02:22:38   maps and I just don't like the interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8558">TS</a>]

02:22:40   of google maps but for most people the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8560">TS</a>]

02:22:44   defaults are good enough right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8564">TS</a>]

02:22:46   I'm but in the valley where people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8566">TS</a>]

02:22:48   really want to use these google apps but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8568">TS</a>]

02:22:50   they want a really good phone I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8570">TS</a>]

02:22:52   see the pixel really taking off and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8572">TS</a>]

02:22:54   can kind of see how that might then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8574">TS</a>]

02:22:55   therefore lead to the good coverage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8575">TS</a>]

02:23:00   right if it becomes a thing where half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8580">TS</a>]

02:23:02   the people you know who are your peers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8582">TS</a>]

02:23:04   in san francisco and the valley are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8584">TS</a>]

02:23:07   using maybe have too high but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8587">TS</a>]

02:23:09   if a big chunk of them are using pixel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8589">TS</a>]

02:23:10   phones it inflates the coverage as to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8590">TS</a>]

02:23:13   how popular it is going to be or how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8593">TS</a>]

02:23:15   popular it is maybe I mean and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8595">TS</a>]

02:23:18   certainly google could ask for i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8598">TS</a>]

02:23:20   the real company that's threatened by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8600">TS</a>]

02:23:21   this samsung because I mean there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8601">TS</a>]

02:23:23   there's been two per real premium phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8603">TS</a>]

02:23:25   sellers Apple and Samsung have always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8605">TS</a>]

02:23:27   done very well in China but general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8607">TS</a>]

02:23:29   those are the two most the world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8609">TS</a>]

02:23:31   pixels gonna peel off i think a samsung [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8611">TS</a>]

02:23:35   users before they do iphone users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8615">TS</a>]

02:23:38   your Valley exception might be true i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8618">TS</a>]

02:23:39   definitely think the I message . is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8619">TS</a>]

02:23:42   huge one I've written this previously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8622">TS</a>]

02:23:44   and one thing that people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8624">TS</a>]

02:23:45   complained about is to say they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8625">TS</a>]

02:23:46   cat-like evaluation of i-10 sent to as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8626">TS</a>]

02:23:49   we chat or they look at wine once IPO or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8629">TS</a>]

02:23:51   whatever they say all apple one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8631">TS</a>]

02:23:53   reasons that Apple stock is tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8633">TS</a>]

02:23:55   because it doesn't properly account for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8635">TS</a>]

02:23:56   the value of my message and I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8636">TS</a>]

02:23:58   think I think that's silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8638">TS</a>]

02:24:01   and the reason is the iMessage value is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8641">TS</a>]

02:24:05   accounted for in the value of the iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8645">TS</a>]

02:24:08   because the I absolutely but this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8648">TS</a>]

02:24:11   classic example of apples sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8651">TS</a>]

02:24:13   vertical strategy where I message help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8653">TS</a>]

02:24:17   sell more I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8657">TS</a>]

02:24:18   phones and uptake I message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8658">TS</a>]

02:24:19   cross-platform to make it like these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8659">TS</a>]

02:24:21   other messaging services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8661">TS</a>]

02:24:23   yes that might make I message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8663">TS</a>]

02:24:25   quote-unquote more valuable because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8665">TS</a>]

02:24:26   Apple could theoretically monetize it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8666">TS</a>]

02:24:28   but that would be offset by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8668">TS</a>]

02:24:30   reduction in the value of the iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8670">TS</a>]

02:24:34   because that it's no wonder exclusive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8674">TS</a>]

02:24:36   the iphone and I like when I broke my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8676">TS</a>]

02:24:39   arm last year in I wanted to switch to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8679">TS</a>]

02:24:42   android because the voice dictation is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8682">TS</a>]

02:24:45   it's it's unbelievably better like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8685">TS</a>]

02:24:47   completely different universe i actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8687">TS</a>]

02:24:49   i have google in my in my doc on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8689">TS</a>]

02:24:52   iPhone because the voice search just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8692">TS</a>]

02:24:54   works it incredibly well even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8694">TS</a>]

02:24:57   like I find the actual Google Apps super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8697">TS</a>]

02:24:59   annoying to use I'd rather it be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8699">TS</a>]

02:25:01   safari but what if I'm on the go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8701">TS</a>]

02:25:03   like it just works really well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8703">TS</a>]

02:25:05   problem is one the whole scrolling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8705">TS</a>]

02:25:06   present the wall but to I messages a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8706">TS</a>]

02:25:08   problem like it I for folks like you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8708">TS</a>]

02:25:11   in general people that I've connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8711">TS</a>]

02:25:13   with intact if I don't talk to them via [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8713">TS</a>]

02:25:15   DM it's almost all via I message and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8715">TS</a>]

02:25:18   its it's very valuable in it so it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8718">TS</a>]

02:25:20   real advantage for apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8720">TS</a>]

02:25:22   yeah and I think it's no coincidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8722">TS</a>]

02:25:23   that the only real software for android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8723">TS</a>]

02:25:25   that google is really talked about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8725">TS</a>]

02:25:27   year is a low and duo the replacements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8727">TS</a>]

02:25:30   for I you know their their answers to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8730">TS</a>]

02:25:32   message and facetime that I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8732">TS</a>]

02:25:35   they're kind of stuck in that regard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8735">TS</a>]

02:25:36   though because i don't think i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8736">TS</a>]

02:25:40   think it's going to solve the problem of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8740">TS</a>]

02:25:41   getting people to switch like if I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8741">TS</a>]

02:25:44   people already got everybody they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8744">TS</a>]

02:25:46   on their family on facetime they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8746">TS</a>]

02:25:47   going to get anybody to install duo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8747">TS</a>]

02:25:50   yep know the the number one feature of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8750">TS</a>]

02:25:52   any messaging app has nothing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8752">TS</a>]

02:25:54   interfaces nothing stickers all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8754">TS</a>]

02:25:56   stuff as much as I may love them the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8756">TS</a>]

02:25:57   number one feature of any messaging app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8757">TS</a>]

02:25:59   is do your friends and family use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8759">TS</a>]

02:26:01   like nothing else matters outside of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8761">TS</a>]

02:26:04   that and and yeah it is the of course in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8764">TS</a>]

02:26:07   like Asia or whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8767">TS</a>]

02:26:09   imessage isn't a walk-in for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8769">TS</a>]

02:26:11   because everyone uses some some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8771">TS</a>]

02:26:13   app but in the u.s. in particular it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8773">TS</a>]

02:26:17   definitely is definitely is a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8777">TS</a>]

02:26:18   advantage for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8778">TS</a>]

02:26:19   yeah so i'll write more about that soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8779">TS</a>]

02:26:22   anyway let's move on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8782">TS</a>]

02:26:24   it's partly this right into talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8784">TS</a>]

02:26:26   don't talk about Cirie I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8786">TS</a>]

02:26:28   that's too long of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8788">TS</a>]

02:26:30   think yeah if you can what I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8790">TS</a>]

02:26:32   would tie it to what we talked about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8792">TS</a>]

02:26:34   pixel phone and someone that I wrote a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8794">TS</a>]

02:26:36   my articles about this last last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8796">TS</a>]

02:26:39   Google and the limits of strategies what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8799">TS</a>]

02:26:41   it's called but someone did a great job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8801">TS</a>]

02:26:43   they basically summarized the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8803">TS</a>]

02:26:45   article and tweet which I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8805">TS</a>]

02:26:47   that speaks well of me all of them are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8807">TS</a>]

02:26:50   poorly of me but basically said the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8810">TS</a>]

02:26:53   problem for the future is that Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8813">TS</a>]

02:26:56   the right business model but the bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8816">TS</a>]

02:26:58   technology google has the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8818">TS</a>]

02:26:59   technology for the bad business model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8819">TS</a>]

02:27:01   and that's oversimplifying it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8821">TS</a>]

02:27:03   dissipated by tweet but i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8823">TS</a>]

02:27:05   gets that it I mean I've we've talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8825">TS</a>]

02:27:07   about a ton about the fundamental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8827">TS</a>]

02:27:11   problems Apple has with Syria whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8831">TS</a>]

02:27:15   that be just really the the my course is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8835">TS</a>]

02:27:19   coursing and it is hard to quantify and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8839">TS</a>]

02:27:21   so but we've talked about it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8841">TS</a>]

02:27:22   building a phone that is as polished and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8842">TS</a>]

02:27:27   and usable by millions of people and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8847">TS</a>]

02:27:31   so great like Apple does the mindset and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8851">TS</a>]

02:27:35   approaches and everything about an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8855">TS</a>]

02:27:37   organization in the sort of people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8857">TS</a>]

02:27:38   want to work there all that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8858">TS</a>]

02:27:39   stuff is very very different from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8859">TS</a>]

02:27:41   building an iterative web service that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8861">TS</a>]

02:27:42   is self learning and self-improving like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8862">TS</a>]

02:27:45   just the entire way accompany structured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8865">TS</a>]

02:27:48   was valued the sort of people want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8868">TS</a>]

02:27:49   work there all these sort of factors go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8869">TS</a>]

02:27:51   in different directions if you're good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8871">TS</a>]

02:27:52   at this sort of stuff that makes very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8872">TS</a>]

02:27:54   good would you rather work at Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8874">TS</a>]

02:27:55   Drive the record serie you rather work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8875">TS</a>]

02:27:57   at Google and your everything about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8877">TS</a>]

02:27:59   company is going to support you in doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8879">TS</a>]

02:28:00   that if you want to build beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8880">TS</a>]

02:28:02   hardware and finished products and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8882">TS</a>]

02:28:06   an operating system that's fully tied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8886">TS</a>]

02:28:07   into it is this this this this jewel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8887">TS</a>]

02:28:10   would you rather work at Google and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8890">TS</a>]

02:28:11   build a pixel phone jailbroken apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8891">TS</a>]

02:28:13   and build an iphone and that's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8893">TS</a>]

02:28:15   depths at an individual level but all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8895">TS</a>]

02:28:18   that stuff goes into the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8898">TS</a>]

02:28:20   organization and so people always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8900">TS</a>]

02:28:22   because I talk about Apple services a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8902">TS</a>]

02:28:23   lot Indianapolis particular just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8903">TS</a>]

02:28:25   really annoyed at me all the time in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8905">TS</a>]

02:28:27   which is unfortunate because when I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8907">TS</a>]

02:28:30   criticizing apples culture and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8910">TS</a>]

02:28:34   organizational structure and way of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8914">TS</a>]

02:28:36   thinking in the context of services that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8916">TS</a>]

02:28:38   is the exact same thing as complementing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8918">TS</a>]

02:28:41   apple in their ability to create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8921">TS</a>]

02:28:43   amazing products like they are one in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8923">TS</a>]

02:28:45   the same thing i'm not saying Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8925">TS</a>]

02:28:47   incompetent i'm not saying they're bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8927">TS</a>]

02:28:49   i'm saying by virtue of optimizing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8929">TS</a>]

02:28:51   one there's a trade-off and same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8931">TS</a>]

02:28:53   for google by virtue of optimizing for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8933">TS</a>]

02:28:56   services iterative approach there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8936">TS</a>]

02:28:59   trade-off on the other side use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8939">TS</a>]

02:29:00   Amazons the most extreme that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8940">TS</a>]

02:29:02   Amazon is the most modular most like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8942">TS</a>]

02:29:05   iterative all their teams are expected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8945">TS</a>]

02:29:07   not even talk to each other right no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8947">TS</a>]

02:29:08   integration at all they're also standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8948">TS</a>]

02:29:10   interfaces that interact from inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8950">TS</a>]

02:29:12   company always out and that's where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8952">TS</a>]

02:29:13   can build something amazon web services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8953">TS</a>]

02:29:15   that is super scalable super modular all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8955">TS</a>]

02:29:17   the sort of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8957">TS</a>]

02:29:18   what happens when a company that tries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8958">TS</a>]

02:29:19   to build a phone it's the biggest piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8959">TS</a>]

02:29:21   of fucking shit I've ever used in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8961">TS</a>]

02:29:22   life like it in that doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8962">TS</a>]

02:29:25   amazon's dumb it means there by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8965">TS</a>]

02:29:27   optimizing so strongly for one approach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8967">TS</a>]

02:29:29   it makes them brilliant in the areas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8969">TS</a>]

02:29:32   where that approach fits and it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8972">TS</a>]

02:29:33   them terrible the other areas and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8973">TS</a>]

02:29:35   terrible that terribleness is a sign of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8975">TS</a>]

02:29:37   strength so the worst is being mediocre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8977">TS</a>]

02:29:38   it's just stuck in the middle that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8978">TS</a>]

02:29:41   have to go quick but my observation so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8981">TS</a>]

02:29:43   this whole thing I kicked off by well in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8983">TS</a>]

02:29:44   my opinion a great wall mossberg column [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8984">TS</a>]

02:29:47   I mean truly really great which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8987">TS</a>]

02:29:49   headline y de série it seemed so dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8989">TS</a>]

02:29:52   and I thought it was very fair in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8992">TS</a>]

02:29:56   evaluating the current state of Siri and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8996">TS</a>]

02:29:58   expressing a sort of exasperation that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/8998">TS</a>]

02:30:01   look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9001">TS</a>]

02:30:01   serie de beauté five years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9001">TS</a>]

02:30:02   literally like five years to the month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9002">TS</a>]

02:30:04   and it just doesn't seem five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9004">TS</a>]

02:30:06   better as it seems like it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9006">TS</a>]

02:30:07   better and some of these things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9007">TS</a>]

02:30:09   don't work should work and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9009">TS</a>]

02:30:13   confounding when the same thing works on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9013">TS</a>]

02:30:16   your iPhone but doesn't work on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9016">TS</a>]

02:30:18   iPad you know he was talking about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9018">TS</a>]

02:30:20   he does something about Tim Cook and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9020">TS</a>]

02:30:22   he's got Tim Cook's contact card a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9022">TS</a>]

02:30:24   name-drop wall but on is one device it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9024">TS</a>]

02:30:29   knows that Tim Cook is one of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9029">TS</a>]

02:30:31   contacts and knows how to contact him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9031">TS</a>]

02:30:33   and on the other one it just gives them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9033">TS</a>]

02:30:34   like the wikipedia page for tim cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9034">TS</a>]

02:30:36   because it thinks you're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9036">TS</a>]

02:30:38   him is like a celebrity but why in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9038">TS</a>]

02:30:40   world wouldn't that work the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9040">TS</a>]

02:30:41   it's andrew and how do you how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9041">TS</a>]

02:30:43   deal bug that as a user you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9043">TS</a>]

02:30:45   because it's a black box and it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9045">TS</a>]

02:30:47   frustrating and then my little response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9047">TS</a>]

02:30:49   to it was just about the frustration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9049">TS</a>]

02:30:51   that they still can't do multistage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9051">TS</a>]

02:30:53   answers and it was a legitimate thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9053">TS</a>]

02:30:55   wanted to do I'm a political junkie I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9055">TS</a>]

02:30:56   don't want to miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9056">TS</a>]

02:30:57   the next presidential debate so I asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9057">TS</a>]

02:30:59   when the next presidential debate I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9059">TS</a>]

02:31:01   the answer and then I said can add that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9061">TS</a>]

02:31:03   to my calendar and there's and Cirie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9063">TS</a>]

02:31:05   cannot do that it can't even maintain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9065">TS</a>]

02:31:07   that level of of multi-step stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9067">TS</a>]

02:31:11   answers and to me five years in it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9071">TS</a>]

02:31:14   to me like that's something that ought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9074">TS</a>]

02:31:15   to be able to do and it in my other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9075">TS</a>]

02:31:19   league with the brother with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9079">TS</a>]

02:31:20   presidential debate is it shows it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9080">TS</a>]

02:31:23   but that was because the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9083">TS</a>]

02:31:24   presidential debate series didn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9084">TS</a>]

02:31:25   at all and it was a big thing on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9085">TS</a>]

02:31:27   where people were pointing out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9087">TS</a>]

02:31:28   every assistance can tell you in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9088">TS</a>]

02:31:30   presidential debate is but Siri couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9090">TS</a>]

02:31:32   i think the actually Apple manually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9092">TS</a>]

02:31:33   added the head in response to the upper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9093">TS</a>]

02:31:36   my other . in my article was that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9096">TS</a>]

02:31:41   big problem Apple faces two big fans one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9101">TS</a>]

02:31:44   is just making serie better but two is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9104">TS</a>]

02:31:46   even if they succeed and make it better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9106">TS</a>]

02:31:48   i think that there's a huge problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9108">TS</a>]

02:31:50   so many people have been burned by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9110">TS</a>]

02:31:51   trying Syria and feeling like a fool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9111">TS</a>]

02:31:53   because it doesn't work that they won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9113">TS</a>]

02:31:55   even notice and and I i notice it one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9115">TS</a>]

02:31:58   area where Twitter or where serie they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9118">TS</a>]

02:32:01   call it a series feature but the just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9121">TS</a>]

02:32:03   voice dictation just if you hit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9123">TS</a>]

02:32:05   little microphone and dictate what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9125">TS</a>]

02:32:06   you're trying to say into the text field [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9126">TS</a>]

02:32:09   it works so much better than it used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9129">TS</a>]

02:32:12   and it's so super useful to me as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9132">TS</a>]

02:32:14   pedestrian in a city i dictate text all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9134">TS</a>]

02:32:16   the time and it's it's I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9136">TS</a>]

02:32:19   the accuracy rate is but it's in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9139">TS</a>]

02:32:20   high nineties and it's not perfect and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9140">TS</a>]

02:32:23   can still improve it but it's way way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9143">TS</a>]

02:32:25   useful super useful and I know a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9145">TS</a>]

02:32:28   people who never even use it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9148">TS</a>]

02:32:29   they tried it two or three years ago and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9149">TS</a>]

02:32:31   it was so bad that they've never gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9151">TS</a>]

02:32:32   back to it and I think that that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9152">TS</a>]

02:32:34   serie wide here's the thing I've noticed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9154">TS</a>]

02:32:37   in the response to my article in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9157">TS</a>]

02:32:40   response to my article especially on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9160">TS</a>]

02:32:41   twitter but it's so many people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9161">TS</a>]

02:32:43   like finally you know you know an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9163">TS</a>]

02:32:46   article acknowledging that series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9166">TS</a>]

02:32:47   complete dogshit you know it's fine you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9167">TS</a>]

02:32:49   know series completely useless and in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9169">TS</a>]

02:32:51   link to my article that's not what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9171">TS</a>]

02:32:53   wrote i didn't say it's completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9173">TS</a>]

02:32:54   useless i'm i'm disappointed in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9174">TS</a>]

02:32:57   data series but i'm not saying that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9177">TS</a>]

02:32:58   people are so angry at Cirie and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9178">TS</a>]

02:33:02   it's because this is my theory that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9182">TS</a>]

02:33:05   whole reason that people become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9185">TS</a>]

02:33:08   Apple users and the iphone is so popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9188">TS</a>]

02:33:11   that the iPhone clearly selling the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9191">TS</a>]

02:33:13   people who really aren't really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9193">TS</a>]

02:33:14   fans of Apple but people who read daring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9194">TS</a>]

02:33:17   fireball and have apple devices are what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9197">TS</a>]

02:33:20   i would consider apples core audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9200">TS</a>]

02:33:22   people who want to pay a little extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9202">TS</a>]

02:33:24   money to get really good products and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9204">TS</a>]

02:33:27   because they really care about getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9207">TS</a>]

02:33:29   good products and they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9209">TS</a>]

02:33:30   price-sensitive when part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9210">TS</a>]

02:33:32   experience is definitely not premium it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9212">TS</a>]

02:33:35   infuriates him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9215">TS</a>]

02:33:37   well it is the other thing is I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9217">TS</a>]

02:33:39   Syria itself is infuriating a and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9219">TS</a>]

02:33:42   despise like series like cute eNOS so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9222">TS</a>]

02:33:46   I post this on on Twitter last month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9226">TS</a>]

02:33:48   this example so i invisible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9228">TS</a>]

02:33:50   I this word for word exactly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9230">TS</a>]

02:33:52   happened so I'm going to quote Ben Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9232">TS</a>]

02:33:55   might need to set my lineup tomorrow 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9235">TS</a>]

02:33:57   am-4 fantasy football digital for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9237">TS</a>]

02:33:58   serious turn on my thought is concerned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9238">TS</a>]

02:34:00   for her let you guys hating si si digo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9240">TS</a>]

02:34:02   sorry hating just remember to set my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9242">TS</a>]

02:34:04   lineup tomorrow at 10am then then dingus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9244">TS</a>]

02:34:07   says okay i'll remind you that I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9247">TS</a>]

02:34:09   make that a weekly reminder like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9249">TS</a>]

02:34:11   classic like the next thing and then in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9251">TS</a>]

02:34:13   Syria says okay here's a weekly reminder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9253">TS</a>]

02:34:16   and made a new reminder for me on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9256">TS</a>]

02:34:17   tuesday $MONTH $DAY at 9am like it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9257">TS</a>]

02:34:19   totally random time that was good right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9259">TS</a>]

02:34:21   and then I go and then I say delete that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9261">TS</a>]

02:34:23   reminder is then then says okay i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9263">TS</a>]

02:34:26   deleted it make sure you don't forget it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9266">TS</a>]

02:34:28   like that it's like like it's one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9268">TS</a>]

02:34:31   to fail right but then you delivering on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9271">TS</a>]

02:34:34   of the cutesy names and marks just is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9274">TS</a>]

02:34:37   infuriating and I get what I think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9277">TS</a>]

02:34:40   the problem is it really puts it in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9280">TS</a>]

02:34:42   the uncanny valley like the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9282">TS</a>]

02:34:44   movie term attrition around animation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9284">TS</a>]

02:34:45   where you know like the original Pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9285">TS</a>]

02:34:48   movie all pixar movies but particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9288">TS</a>]

02:34:50   when they started they made the humans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9290">TS</a>]

02:34:52   very non-human like because like poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9292">TS</a>]

02:34:56   expresses kind of the classic example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9296">TS</a>]

02:34:58   this if you if you make it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9298">TS</a>]

02:35:00   human-like but it's not quite right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9300">TS</a>]

02:35:02   there's something in our brains that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9302">TS</a>]

02:35:03   repulsed by it and it is called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9303">TS</a>]

02:35:05   uncanny valley right if you need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9305">TS</a>]

02:35:07   all the way to the good side and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9307">TS</a>]

02:35:08   problem is i did and i think apple took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9308">TS</a>]

02:35:11   the wrong approach from the beginning by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9311">TS</a>]

02:35:12   making it at this sort of assistance or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9312">TS</a>]

02:35:15   thing I think it's my google that's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9315">TS</a>]

02:35:16   reason google calls their assistant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9316">TS</a>]

02:35:18   google they don't call it it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9318">TS</a>]

02:35:20   robot like its it because there there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9320">TS</a>]

02:35:23   an aspect here we're like remember we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9323">TS</a>]

02:35:26   talked about documents and documents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9326">TS</a>]

02:35:27   just disappear and we just got mad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9327">TS</a>]

02:35:29   ourselves for forgetting to save like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9329">TS</a>]

02:35:32   retrospect that's terrible but from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9332">TS</a>]

02:35:34   product perspective there's something to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9334">TS</a>]

02:35:37   be said for people blaming themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9337">TS</a>]

02:35:38   instead of blaming the product or at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9338">TS</a>]

02:35:40   least having a little empathy for like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9340">TS</a>]

02:35:42   serious screw this is a hard request to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9342">TS</a>]

02:35:44   be fair I did the multi-step request and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9344">TS</a>]

02:35:47   Cirie can't do that i should have known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9347">TS</a>]

02:35:48   better but had surgery failed I'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9348">TS</a>]

02:35:51   like oh . buy yourself some time with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9351">TS</a>]

02:35:53   except sometimes when Siri can accept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9353">TS</a>]

02:35:55   sometimes it can write which is which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9355">TS</a>]

02:35:58   fair but it's like II there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9358">TS</a>]

02:36:00   acceptance of like serious limitations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9360">TS</a>]

02:36:02   within the way that series presented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9362">TS</a>]

02:36:04   series comes across and presents itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9364">TS</a>]

02:36:06   as this is something that's way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9366">TS</a>]

02:36:08   capable than it actually is it way over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9368">TS</a>]

02:36:10   cells capabilities in part by this being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9370">TS</a>]

02:36:13   cutesy and having these jokes and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9373">TS</a>]

02:36:15   like that and that's just not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9375">TS</a>]

02:36:16   reality of of what it is and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9376">TS</a>]

02:36:19   that exacerbates it like there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9379">TS</a>]

02:36:22   feature on any computer voice i use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9382">TS</a>]

02:36:24   like literally indirectly enrages me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9384">TS</a>]

02:36:26   except for a series does and it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9386">TS</a>]

02:36:30   these cutie things when it's totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9390">TS</a>]

02:36:31   screwed up like it just fail like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9391">TS</a>]

02:36:34   like but that's I don't know just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9394">TS</a>]

02:36:36   did it anyhow I the advertiser i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9396">TS</a>]

02:36:39   might have given you this ramp before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9399">TS</a>]

02:36:41   but it is one of my biggest rants about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9401">TS</a>]

02:36:43   apple products is the the the failure to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9403">TS</a>]

02:36:46   fail gracefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9406">TS</a>]

02:36:47   alright we were way over time that's but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9407">TS</a>]

02:36:49   you do want to talk about arv are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9409">TS</a>]

02:36:52   definitely do but you only i'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9412">TS</a>]

02:36:53   give that to you and I'm gonna give me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9413">TS</a>]

02:36:54   two minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9414">TS</a>]

02:36:56   I just thought I thought it was intense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9416">TS</a>]

02:36:57   i actually wrote this yesterday and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9417">TS</a>]

02:36:59   template today in Tokyo something about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9419">TS</a>]

02:37:01   you know apples Marcia and augmented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9421">TS</a>]

02:37:04   reality than virtual reality because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9424">TS</a>]

02:37:06   know it's part of being a being in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9426">TS</a>]

02:37:09   real world which is something I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9429">TS</a>]

02:37:11   always generally I i agree without I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9431">TS</a>]

02:37:13   always viewed earth is kinda there's two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9433">TS</a>]

02:37:15   types of computing there's an immersive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9435">TS</a>]

02:37:17   computing like video games and movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9437">TS</a>]

02:37:18   and stuff like that and there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9438">TS</a>]

02:37:19   accompanying community that there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9439">TS</a>]

02:37:22   better word for it like that like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9442">TS</a>]

02:37:23   phone it's with you everywhere it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9443">TS</a>]

02:37:25   stuff that goes with you makes it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9445">TS</a>]

02:37:26   your your life better and versus one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9446">TS</a>]

02:37:29   like an escape from life and to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9449">TS</a>]

02:37:31   that's always been the division [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9451">TS</a>]

02:37:32   between virtual reality augmented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9452">TS</a>]

02:37:34   reality and it was so interesting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9454">TS</a>]

02:37:37   noon i always go back with my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9457">TS</a>]

02:37:39   was the best Steve Jobs quote there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9459">TS</a>]

02:37:40   lot of modestly but the computers a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9460">TS</a>]

02:37:42   bicycle for the mind right that is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9462">TS</a>]

02:37:45   is very much in this augmented sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9465">TS</a>]

02:37:48   approach where you get the goal the goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9468">TS</a>]

02:37:52   of a computer and this is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9472">TS</a>]

02:37:53   that's very thin quarter apple is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9473">TS</a>]

02:37:56   make you better to enhance the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9476">TS</a>]

02:37:59   experience to make you more productive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9479">TS</a>]

02:38:01   and I think that's one of the reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9481">TS</a>]

02:38:02   why apple's never really had the gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9482">TS</a>]

02:38:04   gene in them they've never really been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9484">TS</a>]

02:38:05   about escapism obviously the iphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9485">TS</a>]

02:38:08   become dominant gaming but that's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9488">TS</a>]

02:38:11   like an accident of history the apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9491">TS</a>]

02:38:14   think he's always been this direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9494">TS</a>]

02:38:16   and the reason I wrote about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9496">TS</a>]

02:38:17   yesterday i wrote about that quote when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9497">TS</a>]

02:38:19   facebook bought oculus a year-and-a-half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9499">TS</a>]

02:38:21   ago or two and a half years ago whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9501">TS</a>]

02:38:22   it was and the there was just the oculus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9502">TS</a>]

02:38:25   keynote last week and in the keynote I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9505">TS</a>]

02:38:28   just found it really disquieting because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9508">TS</a>]

02:38:30   Mark Zuckerberg went on this this big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9510">TS</a>]

02:38:33   thing about i'm an engineer want to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9513">TS</a>]

02:38:35   the world better believe make everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9515">TS</a>]

02:38:36   better but he's talking about these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9516">TS</a>]

02:38:38   immersive VR experiences in it it felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9518">TS</a>]

02:38:42   like in attempted it going to create a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9522">TS</a>]

02:38:46   new reality because the current one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9526">TS</a>]

02:38:47   isn't great and will be leaving aside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9527">TS</a>]

02:38:49   the fact that the current one isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9529">TS</a>]

02:38:50   great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9530">TS</a>]

02:38:51   arguably because facebook is so busy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9531">TS</a>]

02:38:53   creating everyone's individual reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9533">TS</a>]

02:38:55   that once we're all in the same place we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9535">TS</a>]

02:38:57   have like it all kind of explodes it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9537">TS</a>]

02:39:00   just such a fundamentally different way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9540">TS</a>]

02:39:02   of thinking about computing than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9542">TS</a>]

02:39:04   apple one and it's gonna be fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9544">TS</a>]

02:39:07   to see how that plays out of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9547">TS</a>]

02:39:09   there's like we're going to go from vr2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9549">TS</a>]

02:39:10   AR but it's just it's a different way of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9550">TS</a>]

02:39:14   thinking about computers thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9554">TS</a>]

02:39:16   computing the way the world works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9556">TS</a>]

02:39:18   I for one and certainly on the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9558">TS</a>]

02:39:20   approach but it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9560">TS</a>]

02:39:24   fascinating to see how it actually plays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9564">TS</a>]

02:39:25   out over the next several years you made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9565">TS</a>]

02:39:27   my point exactly which is that of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9567">TS</a>]

02:39:29   apples more interested in they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9569">TS</a>]

02:39:31   pretty versus vr because it's the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9571">TS</a>]

02:39:33   reason that they've never been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9573">TS</a>]

02:39:34   powerhouse in gaming exactly MVR is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9574">TS</a>]

02:39:36   obviously a great going to be it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9576">TS</a>]

02:39:40   already at playstation vr shipping it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9580">TS</a>]

02:39:42   you know it's going to be a big deal for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9582">TS</a>]

02:39:44   getting sitting at my sitting at my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9584">TS</a>]

02:39:45   house and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9585">TS</a>]

02:39:46   wisconsin actually isn't really wow yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9586">TS</a>]

02:39:48   just got delivered yesterday might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9588">TS</a>]

02:39:50   coming down the chimney at Christmas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9590">TS</a>]

02:39:51   here helpful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9591">TS</a>]

02:39:53   Jonas better not listen to the podcast I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9593">TS</a>]

02:39:55   we definitely doesn't listen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9595">TS</a>]

02:39:57   podcast so well he doesn't believe in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9597">TS</a>]

02:39:58   Santa so it's you know it's already in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9598">TS</a>]

02:40:02   negotiation he's going out all over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9602">TS</a>]

02:40:03   place yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9603">TS</a>]

02:40:04   ah you know and there might be other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9604">TS</a>]

02:40:07   applications for it as well but gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9607">TS</a>]

02:40:08   is obvious it's not i don't even think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9608">TS</a>]

02:40:10   it's a question that it's going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9610">TS</a>]

02:40:11   factor in gaming and forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9611">TS</a>]

02:40:13   um JR is much more of an apple-like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9613">TS</a>]

02:40:17   technology i find it interesting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9617">TS</a>]

02:40:18   Tim Cook is opening his mouth about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9618">TS</a>]

02:40:20   though it's a very on the Apple like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9620">TS</a>]

02:40:22   thing to comment on it in general you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9622">TS</a>]

02:40:24   know but Tim Cook's always been a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9624">TS</a>]

02:40:25   bit more open about Steve Jobs about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9625">TS</a>]

02:40:27   stuff like that like that whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9627">TS</a>]

02:40:28   we're at the one conference the wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9628">TS</a>]

02:40:31   mossberg Kara Swisher conference where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9631">TS</a>]

02:40:32   he said that the wrist is an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9632">TS</a>]

02:40:34   opportunity on wearables right yeah like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9634">TS</a>]

02:40:37   two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9637">TS</a>]

02:40:38   everybody was no Steve Jobs is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9638">TS</a>]

02:40:40   ridiculing video on on on iphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9640">TS</a>]

02:40:42   exactly right products already exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9642">TS</a>]

02:40:45   right Steve Jobs would have been like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9645">TS</a>]

02:40:47   nobody wears watches anymore like up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9647">TS</a>]

02:40:50   till two days before they announced that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9650">TS</a>]

02:40:51   he was actually it was a sad watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9651">TS</a>]

02:40:53   the stupidest thing I've ever nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9653">TS</a>]

02:40:55   wears a watch anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9655">TS</a>]

02:40:57   ok the other thing is interesting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9657">TS</a>]

02:40:58   will we don't have time to talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9658">TS</a>]

02:41:00   but I think the snapchat spectacles are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9660">TS</a>]

02:41:02   absolutely fascinating one of the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9662">TS</a>]

02:41:03   interesting new product seen in awhile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9663">TS</a>]

02:41:05   is that the snapchat thing you wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9665">TS</a>]

02:41:06   talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9666">TS</a>]

02:41:07   yeah yeah yeah the reason the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9667">TS</a>]

02:41:09   reason it's so interesting is with one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9669">TS</a>]

02:41:11   of the many what reasons why google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9671">TS</a>]

02:41:13   glass went wrong is there was like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9673">TS</a>]

02:41:17   was like a novelty item right like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9677">TS</a>]

02:41:19   yes this is like what why would you wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9679">TS</a>]

02:41:21   them so they packed is like the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9681">TS</a>]

02:41:23   watch in some respects they packed on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9683">TS</a>]

02:41:24   video camera and speaker and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9684">TS</a>]

02:41:26   sorts of stuff and it's like ways then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9686">TS</a>]

02:41:28   what's the point there was a store on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9688">TS</a>]

02:41:29   Android but it wasn't really connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9689">TS</a>]

02:41:31   to your phone it was an integrated is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9691">TS</a>]

02:41:33   just did this contraption for a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9693">TS</a>]

02:41:35   money put your head and then what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9695">TS</a>]

02:41:36   like immediate what's so fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9696">TS</a>]

02:41:39   about them getting it good didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9699">TS</a>]

02:41:41   get a good AR display we have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9701">TS</a>]

02:41:44   the whole thing was terrible it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9704">TS</a>]

02:41:46   was it's not that in in ever so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9706">TS</a>]

02:41:49   spectrum are like all googoo glasses it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9709">TS</a>]

02:41:50   was a terrible idea why is it better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9710">TS</a>]

02:41:52   well the reason to do better is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9712">TS</a>]

02:41:54   there's an obvious use case like you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9714">TS</a>]

02:41:57   snapchat already exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9717">TS</a>]

02:41:59   you already have people following you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9719">TS</a>]

02:42:00   already have the stores already have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9720">TS</a>]

02:42:01   memories thing where this video can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9721">TS</a>]

02:42:04   you already have this idea of 10 second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9724">TS</a>]

02:42:05   video and this is just an easier way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9725">TS</a>]

02:42:07   do it and it's like they created the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9727">TS</a>]

02:42:09   need for this product and now this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9729">TS</a>]

02:42:11   product is coming in to fill the need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9731">TS</a>]

02:42:13   again need may be overstating it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9733">TS</a>]

02:42:15   there's an obvious place where these fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9735">TS</a>]

02:42:18   and that's such a powerful thing when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9738">TS</a>]

02:42:21   comes to creating sort of a new category [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9741">TS</a>]

02:42:23   but then once you have them on your once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9743">TS</a>]

02:42:27   you own them once they're there then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9747">TS</a>]

02:42:30   can start building out all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9750">TS</a>]

02:42:31   stuff i can do the display stuff into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9751">TS</a>]

02:42:33   this beer stuff in thanks to groupers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9753">TS</a>]

02:42:35   lot that's going to get more and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9755">TS</a>]

02:42:37   viable overtime and it's just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9757">TS</a>]

02:42:40   really fascinating is the hardest thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9760">TS</a>]

02:42:41   is like why do you wear the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9761">TS</a>]

02:42:44   why do you wear the at the airport's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9764">TS</a>]

02:42:45   airports are more like the spectacles in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9765">TS</a>]

02:42:47   this why do you wear their pods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9767">TS</a>]

02:42:48   well the iphone 7 doesn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9768">TS</a>]

02:42:50   headphone jack anymore in their union [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9770">TS</a>]

02:42:52   wireless headphones like the reality is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9772">TS</a>]

02:42:54   the potential the airport is amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9774">TS</a>]

02:42:56   like we're getting two computers in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9776">TS</a>]

02:42:58   ears and that like that the potential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9778">TS</a>]

02:43:00   that's unbelievable for all the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9780">TS</a>]

02:43:02   we talked about but you have to you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9782">TS</a>]

02:43:04   to you choose a turn like cross the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9784">TS</a>]

02:43:06   chasm whatever reason for them to exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9786">TS</a>]

02:43:09   and there's an obvious reason for parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9789">TS</a>]

02:43:10   to exist and now they have the foothold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9790">TS</a>]

02:43:12   they can expand that same thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9792">TS</a>]

02:43:13   spectacles when it comes to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9793">TS</a>]

02:43:15   augmented reality like at it that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9795">TS</a>]

02:43:18   arguably be one of apples biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9798">TS</a>]

02:43:20   competitors in the very one because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9800">TS</a>]

02:43:23   have a way to get on your face and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9803">TS</a>]

02:43:24   that's the hardest challenge for any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9804">TS</a>]

02:43:26   sort of wearable i will just add the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9806">TS</a>]

02:43:27   groomers why isn't just more slot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9807">TS</a>]

02:43:29   because some aspects of things that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9809">TS</a>]

02:43:31   were slowing I've gotten faster don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9811">TS</a>]

02:43:33   really have to do anything to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9813">TS</a>]

02:43:34   getting more transistors on to a cpu and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9814">TS</a>]

02:43:38   I dvi-i giving you a hard time I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9818">TS</a>]

02:43:40   but I just want to defend myself that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9820">TS</a>]

02:43:42   it's anything you can think of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9822">TS</a>]

02:43:43   little like wireless networking wireless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9823">TS</a>]

02:43:45   networking got a lot faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9825">TS</a>]

02:43:46   you know I had nothing to say I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9826">TS</a>]

02:43:49   really think thats related to more slots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9829">TS</a>]

02:43:51   it's just a general you know it's even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9831">TS</a>]

02:43:53   more and more obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9833">TS</a>]

02:43:55   ya know anything I know the guy i had i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9835">TS</a>]

02:43:58   think the thing about snapshot that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9838">TS</a>]

02:44:00   glasses there whatever they call them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9840">TS</a>]

02:44:02   the goggles whatever the hell they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9842">TS</a>]

02:44:03   it's like it's an honest it's an honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9843">TS</a>]

02:44:05   product and they clearly have a very I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9845">TS</a>]

02:44:08   don't want him I don't even I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9848">TS</a>]

02:44:10   really understand snapchat I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9850">TS</a>]

02:44:11   him but at least it it to me is a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9851">TS</a>]

02:44:14   honest product meaning it's whoever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9854">TS</a>]

02:44:16   designed it and whoever spitting it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9856">TS</a>]

02:44:19   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9859">TS</a>]

02:44:19   where is the thing with google glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9859">TS</a>]

02:44:21   that made it such a joke is that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9861">TS</a>]

02:44:22   so pretentious and they thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9862">TS</a>]

02:44:24   so goddamn serious and it was like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9864">TS</a>]

02:44:27   technology for technology's sake it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9867">TS</a>]

02:44:29   such an emperor has no clothes situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9869">TS</a>]

02:44:31   where it's like you've got to be kidding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9871">TS</a>]

02:44:33   me that thing is is a joke and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9873">TS</a>]

02:44:35   treating it like it's the next big step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9875">TS</a>]

02:44:37   our first step in it you know a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9877">TS</a>]

02:44:39   direction whereas the snapchat think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9879">TS</a>]

02:44:42   they're just what they're saying about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9882">TS</a>]

02:44:43   it seems to me exactly what it is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9883">TS</a>]

02:44:45   know they're describing it as a toy it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9885">TS</a>]

02:44:47   fun it's not supposed to be serious this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9887">TS</a>]

02:44:49   isn't you know it's just the thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9889">TS</a>]

02:44:51   have fun with and that's exactly what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9891">TS</a>]

02:44:53   looks like and it's exactly how its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9893">TS</a>]

02:44:55   price doesn't like a hundred bucks or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9895">TS</a>]

02:44:56   something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9896">TS</a>]

02:44:57   yeah hundred thirty i think and i didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9897">TS</a>]

02:44:59   and that's the best way to watch a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9899">TS</a>]

02:45:02   categories as a toy like it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9902">TS</a>]

02:45:05   iphone what was the ridicule of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9905">TS</a>]

02:45:07   iphone from mike the from microsoft and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9907">TS</a>]

02:45:09   rim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9909">TS</a>]

02:45:10   oh it's it but it's nice but when people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9910">TS</a>]

02:45:12   want to actually do work right you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9912">TS</a>]

02:45:14   going to use our products and yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9914">TS</a>]

02:45:17   it's so I I it is a compelling space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9917">TS</a>]

02:45:20   I yeah you're right apples for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9920">TS</a>]

02:45:22   about is interesting uh but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9922">TS</a>]

02:45:25   something only one that's gonna be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9925">TS</a>]

02:45:26   fun to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9926">TS</a>]

02:45:28   I don't get his true i don't get why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9928">TS</a>]

02:45:29   he's opening his mouth out about it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9929">TS</a>]

02:45:31   you know work for watching I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9931">TS</a>]

02:45:34   don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9934">TS</a>]

02:45:34   yeah I mean there's brought i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9934">TS</a>]

02:45:37   there's no the there's the IRA mejor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9937">TS</a>]

02:45:40   stock issues are stocks stock price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9940">TS</a>]

02:45:43   incineration zits all to have the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9943">TS</a>]

02:45:45   shiny out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9945">TS</a>]

02:45:46   yes is beneficial arm i don't know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9946">TS</a>]

02:45:49   guess maybe they resigned himself that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9949">TS</a>]

02:45:51   anything hard world is going to week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9951">TS</a>]

02:45:52   anyway so my thought was maybe you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9952">TS</a>]

02:45:54   if it's true that the car thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9954">TS</a>]

02:45:56   really downsized or set backers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9956">TS</a>]

02:45:58   something like that it's well we need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9958">TS</a>]

02:46:02   plan B can be if they are now of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9962">TS</a>]

02:46:04   apples looking and they are huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9964">TS</a>]

02:46:08   I don't have anything else that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9968">TS</a>]

02:46:10   bottom of my copious notes maybe these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9970">TS</a>]

02:46:11   that keeping these notes is to is is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9971">TS</a>]

02:46:14   problem because that would show Randall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9974">TS</a>]

02:46:16   no I think I think we have like multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9976">TS</a>]

02:46:19   digressions and general manager and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9979">TS</a>]

02:46:21   talked for the first like two hours and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9981">TS</a>]

02:46:23   then like 35 minutes we covered like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9983">TS</a>]

02:46:25   multiple shows with the material my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9985">TS</a>]

02:46:27   we did it for us we didn't even get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9987">TS</a>]

02:46:28   the fact that my beloved dallas cowboys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9988">TS</a>]

02:46:30   are playing your beloved green bay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9990">TS</a>]

02:46:32   packers this weekend it in the Lambo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9992">TS</a>]

02:46:35   right at lambeau field that's a game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9995">TS</a>]

02:46:37   yes I the the house of dez bryant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/9997">TS</a>]

02:46:40   horrors I think he will be back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10000">TS</a>]

02:46:41   I think he's gonna be back i think he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10001">TS</a>]

02:46:43   set to be back I and i think the the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10003">TS</a>]

02:46:46   think vegas has the line at Green Bay by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10006">TS</a>]

02:46:48   four so here's the question if if tony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10008">TS</a>]

02:46:51   romo comes back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10011">TS</a>]

02:46:52   who do you want to be the starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10012">TS</a>]

02:46:53   quarterback I want tony romo to be back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10013">TS</a>]

02:46:55   I feel like he deserves it but I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10015">TS</a>]

02:46:59   like I feel like he's he's back and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10019">TS</a>]

02:47:01   on a short leash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10021">TS</a>]

02:47:03   yeah well everything that the Israelis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10023">TS</a>]

02:47:06   the problem has never been that he you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10026">TS</a>]

02:47:08   know the bad when he's healthy it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10028">TS</a>]

02:47:10   the problem is these is broken down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10030">TS</a>]

02:47:13   yeah so I even if he comes not that easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10033">TS</a>]

02:47:15   had a terrible run of walk right i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10035">TS</a>]

02:47:17   then I'll great last year with a with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10037">TS</a>]

02:47:19   great 102 years ago the two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10039">TS</a>]

02:47:21   started two years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10041">TS</a>]

02:47:22   yeah last year was here but he missed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10042">TS</a>]

02:47:23   almost all the whole season and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10043">TS</a>]

02:47:25   were terrible without them so i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10045">TS</a>]

02:47:28   would be you know but it was around that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10048">TS</a>]

02:47:30   will do you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10050">TS</a>]

02:47:31   I think we will do you a favor this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10051">TS</a>]

02:47:32   weekend expose exposed Prescott so it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10052">TS</a>]

02:47:35   possible easier to insert rollback that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10055">TS</a>]

02:47:37   that's actually true where it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10057">TS</a>]

02:47:39   actually saw I got a bad outing by press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10059">TS</a>]

02:47:43   cotton and lambo would actually bees the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10063">TS</a>]

02:47:46   political pressure there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10066">TS</a>]

02:47:48   the thing I keep thinking about is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10068">TS</a>]

02:47:50   Tom Brady drew bledsoe back yeah god is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10070">TS</a>]

02:47:53   it was like what 40 years ago it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10073">TS</a>]

02:47:55   like but so is like the second highest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10075">TS</a>]

02:47:58   rated passer in the AFC at the time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10078">TS</a>]

02:48:01   got injured and a no-name quarterback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10081">TS</a>]

02:48:04   out of Michigan named Tom Brady was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10084">TS</a>]

02:48:07   picked in like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10087">TS</a>]

02:48:08   870 third round of the draft came in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10088">TS</a>]

02:48:12   18 straight games and drew bledsoe never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10092">TS</a>]

02:48:15   took a snap again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10095">TS</a>]

02:48:16   yep now that that that's that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10096">TS</a>]

02:48:18   classic example so we'll see i think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10098">TS</a>]

02:48:21   would be right we have a great run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10101">TS</a>]

02:48:22   defense so if Prescott is having to pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10102">TS</a>]

02:48:26   and long situations not running play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10106">TS</a>]

02:48:28   action i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10108">TS</a>]

02:48:29   it's it's gonna be challenging for him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10109">TS</a>]

02:48:31   so we'll see what we'll see i'm excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10111">TS</a>]

02:48:33   i was excited last week watching dallas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10113">TS</a>]

02:48:35   play so we should put it was with our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10115">TS</a>]

02:48:38   wager going to be you been man what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10118">TS</a>]

02:48:40   should we bet i mean i don't i'm not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10120">TS</a>]

02:48:42   betting man I i only do these sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10122">TS</a>]

02:48:44   friendly wagers where I'm going at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10124">TS</a>]

02:48:46   someone did you like steak dinner or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10126">TS</a>]

02:48:48   something like that yeah alright steak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10128">TS</a>]

02:48:49   dinner next time we're in town together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10129">TS</a>]

02:48:51   with the liner without the line I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10131">TS</a>]

02:48:54   take for its haha straight up straight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10134">TS</a>]

02:49:00   up straight up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10140">TS</a>]

02:49:01   that's what I was line anyways it three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10141">TS</a>]

02:49:03   or something I think it's 440 with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10143">TS</a>]

02:49:06   everyone and it's good yeah basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10146">TS</a>]

02:49:08   like a neutral field would be one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10148">TS</a>]

02:49:09   which to me is a loser it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10149">TS</a>]

02:49:12   maybe maybe Vegas is starting to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10152">TS</a>]

02:49:15   Dallas fever seems to me like seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10155">TS</a>]

02:49:17   me like one . on a on a neutral field is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10157">TS</a>]

02:49:21   a little little optimistic for Dallas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10161">TS</a>]

02:49:24   yeah with the promises is green bay's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10164">TS</a>]

02:49:26   especially the last couple years giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10166">TS</a>]

02:49:28   up a lot of back door covers so i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10168">TS</a>]

02:49:30   that's that's probably part of it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10170">TS</a>]

02:49:31   well will jump out and then what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10171">TS</a>]

02:49:34   like don't like Detroit if we're up all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10174">TS</a>]

02:49:35   like 20 0 or 3 10 something about being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10175">TS</a>]

02:49:37   a 31-28 well the thing to me is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10177">TS</a>]

02:49:41   Aaron Rodgers is in that class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10181">TS</a>]

02:49:42   quarterbacks where I would rather I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10182">TS</a>]

02:49:45   would rather be down i'd rather be down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10185">TS</a>]

02:49:51   you know two or three points maybe even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10191">TS</a>]

02:49:54   four points and have aaron rodgers have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10194">TS</a>]

02:49:56   the ball and two minutes on the clock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10196">TS</a>]

02:49:57   then have the lead in the other way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10197">TS</a>]

02:49:59   around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10199">TS</a>]

02:49:59   alright and to me that's worth three or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10199">TS</a>]

02:50:01   four points like so to me you get three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10201">TS</a>]

02:50:03   points for being at home and you get 34 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10203">TS</a>]

02:50:05   points for having a quarterback who it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10205">TS</a>]

02:50:07   with two minutes to go in the game you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10207">TS</a>]

02:50:09   rather you'd rather just have the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10209">TS</a>]

02:50:10   team score and get the ball back because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10210">TS</a>]

02:50:12   you'd rather have the ball then let them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10212">TS</a>]

02:50:14   run it down to zero you know what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10214">TS</a>]

02:50:15   I do i do well okay i'll give you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10215">TS</a>]

02:50:19   points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10219">TS</a>]

02:50:19   alright then feeling confident de llanta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10219">TS</a>]

02:50:21   a virtual in virtual reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10221">TS</a>]

02:50:25   alright thank you for being on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10225">TS</a>]

02:50:27   but everybody can get more Ben Thompson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10227">TS</a>]

02:50:28   at the excellent strategic curry . com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10228">TS</a>]

02:50:31   everybody if you're not a subscriber to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10231">TS</a>]

02:50:33   start a curry your-your-your I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10233">TS</a>]

02:50:36   know what you're doing with your money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10236">TS</a>]

02:50:36   but you be better off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10236">TS</a>]

02:50:38   subscribe and district a curry and after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10238">TS</a>]

02:50:41   i was taking have a steak dinner 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10241">TS</a>]

02:50:43   yeah actually yeah he's got a second / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10243">TS</a>]

02:50:44   and then your podcast is exponent FM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10244">TS</a>]

02:50:49   with your co-host of his name i forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10249">TS</a>]

02:50:51   James all worthwhile James all along . [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10251">TS</a>]

02:50:54   mm so if you like hearing his voice you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10254">TS</a>]

02:50:55   get more of his voice before you sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10255">TS</a>]

02:50:57   that the talk show again hope you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10257">TS</a>]

02:50:59   gonna do pull it dulcet tones the dulcet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10259">TS</a>]

02:51:03   tones you do it's also good to have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10263">TS</a>]

02:51:07   on the show when you're not drunk but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10267">TS</a>]

02:51:12   am usually not drunk now for the record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10272">TS</a>]

02:51:14   I i think it i don't think there's much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10274">TS</a>]

02:51:16   difference really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzS8Oao/10276">TS</a>]