The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► you know I can't believe i missed the [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► holiday party again is a different kind [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► of anything interesting happen in the [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► last few weeks now quiet peaceful [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► tumbleweed roll by [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► yeah you know not much apple doesn't [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► really do much in the fall you have to [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► laugh a little [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► despite do i was talking about what the [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► other day about we're on a walk and I [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► said you know I feel like it's been [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► going nonstop for a long time and I [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► realized it totally had been going [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► nonstop for a long time we went to win [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► to Ireland for all and I realized like [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► literally I went to the apple event in [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► the next drag on a plane and went to [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► this event in Southern California this [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► festival over the weekend and then from [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► there I went basically straight to all [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► and in the middle there like I got the [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► one review unit of the of the macbook [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► pro and then like the day after I came [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► back from Ireland I got the touch bar [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► review unit with the macbook pro and it [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► just it like it is non-stop like one [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► thing after another all fault you know [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► what I mean it's you know but it you [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► know tough life for us you know I mean [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► but you know it's amazing new computers [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► before anybody gets them while getting [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► around the globe to meet interesting [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► people but it has been activated [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► yeah i mean i'm not i'm not complaining [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► it is it is a privilege to do this but [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► uh but it's the high season [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► I mean that's what I keep telling [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► telling people that I season this is [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► this when everything is happening for [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► for Apple it's like this this time [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► period in like WWDC or the craziest [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► times of the year i think this is [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► crazier honestly for us i have because [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► just step that I don't know somehow to [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► me even that several weeks long period [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► between the iphone 7 coming out and the [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► macbook man I don't know that somehow [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► seemed jam-packed with stuff to your [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► rules in Apple watch this you know two [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► roles in there and yeah I mean there's a [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► lot going on a lot lot of stuff going on [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► anyway long story short just wasn't a [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► good time for an election that i had a [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► like hundred and ten percent obsessive [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► interest in to know what ya do stuff [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► like stuff going on it was a it was a [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► busy fall I do feel like we've reached [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► you know it's all subsided a little bit [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► now and I I feel like that mentally I'm [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► starting to shift gears I still got some [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► stuff that I put off that I need to pick [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► back up again but it's like mental [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► shifting gears into you know holidays [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► end-of-year people you know if you want [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► to make a holiday stories and gift [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► guides and best of yes and stuff like [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► that it's starting to feel more like [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► that at last night which is good guys [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► like Thanksgiving six next week's oh [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► here it is [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► I thought it was a little bit back book [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► pro review I I got all I got three of [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► them i got i got the the button one [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► where they call it work on the macbook [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► escape [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► I guess we are making to capture any [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► album but you know whatever i know i got [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► that the same time you did we got that [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► the day of the event [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► yeah they had those I i got the 13-inch [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► with touch bar I don't have a week later [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► about at least a week later I don't that [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► sounds right days what was a week I was [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► in Ireland because I which is the week [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► after the event because i got an email [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► from apple on like a wednesday in [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► Ireland saying can you come by cupertino [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► on thursday to pick up your your 13-inch [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► macbook with touch bar and I was like uh [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► no [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► and so I didn't get that one and then I [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► got the 15-inch I don't know but that [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► was later 15 inches [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► it was really only just a few days [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► before the embargo deadline so i opened [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► it and turned it on and and looked at it [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► but I spent much less time with the [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► 15-inch simply because i already had the [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► 13-inch with the touch bar setup right [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► with my stuff you know it's a I've got [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► bbedit on it and you know i have I it's [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► just there and emptied little you know [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► the thing I do to wrap blockquote so [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► they all look like nice markdown [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► blockquote that's alright and if you're [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► not that we're complaining about getting [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► review units but you know onboarding to [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► a new mac is a lot of work and when you [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► have to do it three times in three weeks [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► we go here we go again like what would [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► files what do I installed come on my [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► grade no i don't really want to migrate [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► but then i have to install everything [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► I've done you know big hook up with [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► dropbox and I don't know about you I i [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► also have to juggle like they're these [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► hard breaks up like five authorized [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► itunes computers and like not authorized [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► Apple music devices [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► yeah and so I'm always juggling like [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► logging out of of different iPads and [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► phones and stuff in order to get slots [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► back to put other computers in there and [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► it's a yeah so it's again not [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► complaining it's it's great that we get [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► to do this for our job but you know like [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► that all of this stuff is not meant to [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► be done as frequently as we do him so [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► yeah I i I'm even little things I've run [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► into a little thing where my amex card [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► has a maximum limit on how many apple to [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► pick up a devices that can be hooked up [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► to [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► uh-huh and oh yeah and you know and it's [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► uu it it's magnified because it's like [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► to now you get two phones when they give [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► you review phone to give you one of each [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► size and it's like I got iPads and stuff [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► and it's like I don't even know what you [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► know and some of them i foolishly left [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► named John's ipad so it's like all right [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► it's like what [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► which one is that I don't mean what and [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► I just usually the they're like updates [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► that reset the name so I realized the [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► other day that my ipad is called the [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► ipad again it's like well I don't know [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► when that happened but it's like no [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► wonder I went on my device list my soft [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► three things named ipad and had no idea [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► which was which [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► it's yeah it's a lie i have been able to [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► Apple pay i've been testing the apple [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► watch two and i actually I'm written [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► about that yet but they can't do Apple [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► pay because it's just I think my um my [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► financial institutions have given up on [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► me and they're like no no more devices [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► for you every time I hear it's like I [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► can't even forget it you know [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► oh and my bank as sometimes what I've [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► done is I i generally if i use a charge [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► card i use my amex it's just I just use [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► it everywhere and the only times I ever [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► don't use it isn't a place that doesn't [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► take amex [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► but to get around this amex limit if I [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► have a device that i'm testing from [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► apple that I don't really want to spend [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► i know i'm not gonna spend a ton of time [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► on you know like for example at WWDC [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► they gave me a an Apple watch with the [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► beta of watch us three-mile which wich [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► like it's like I think that's one thing [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► i don't know but at some point they gave [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► it to me it wasn't a new hardware it was [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► just you know here you could try this [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► thing out with the watch was three and I [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► thought that's interesting but it's not [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► just I'll just put the watches 3 beta on [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► my own wife watch you know I mean and so [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► I didn't you know I didn't want to go [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► put this amex limit on it so i use my [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► other card [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► my my my bank sends me a letter in the [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► mail every time I set up Apple pay that [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► it's like congratulate it's so totally [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► written from the perspective of like [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► you're going to have one device you know [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► that you do this with will tell you [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► everything how it works and you know and [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► I just keep it's like I I should have [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► kept all the letters because i bet i've [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► got 15 of them by now [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► well I i think the advantage of this is [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► it so easy in so many different ways [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► that you do you review tech products to [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► lose perspective if you're not careful [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► and this is like the reverse of that [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► which is there's nobody I think more [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► aware of the pain of of basically [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► upgrading to a new device then reviewers [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► because we have to do it like with every [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► device look for a while there I could [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► tell you everything you need to do to [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► migrate from a macbook to another [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► macbook or from a powerbook to another [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► power book because i was reviewing all [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► the laptops at macworld and so like I [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► would go through i would migrate [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► everything a couple times a year and so [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► I mean that's good because we get to [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► experience that and I think apples got [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► some issues with with the migration [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► assistant on the mac and with some stuff [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► they're getting better but like you know [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► they've got some issues there and those [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► really come out when you're migrating [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► multiple times a year because regular [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► people only might do it once a year for [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► a phone and once every several years for [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► an ipad or your Mac I i have spoken I i [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► still think it's too hard on a Mac but [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► yeah and I think part of it is because I [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► don't [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► I think part of it really is it [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► technical challenge and not just a [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► disinterest I think because you can you [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► still have so much freedom of what to [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► put we're now file system on a mac and [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► it's you know really it's just [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► technically not it's not you can't just [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► say close the disc and open it you know [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► it's because there's all sorts of stuff [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► that's a different because it's [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► different hardware you know I think it's [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► the number one motivator why they do [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► what they did desktop and documents [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► thinking the way they did it was that I [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► don't like their if you keep everything [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► if you buy everything three App Store [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► which you know some people do and and [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► you're not a superpower user but you [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► keep everything in documents and on the [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► desktop and and then you log into a new [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► mac like it will just sync your stuff [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► and you're ready to go it's it's for the [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► rest of us who've got you know legacy [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► apps non mac app store apps all sorts of [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► stuff like that and then you turn the [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► migration assistant i'm not convinced [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► migration assistant is doing so hot i [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► tried I've tried it twice with these two [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► macbook pros that I've got and it failed [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► both times you know it's interesting [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► i've given up on migration assistant DA [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► beyond i haven't used it in a few years [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► I mean and maybe I should you know give [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► it another shot one of these health of [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► what you just had is reading I think you [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► should i what i don't recommend it [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► what I have is an apple notes document i [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► started this two or three years ago [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► setting up a new mac and so it's the [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► first thing I do is I like you know go [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► through the first run I put my icloud [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► guy you know go through and put my [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► icloud credentials in so because I put [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► my cloud credentials in my notes inks [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► and write a note has a checklist of you [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► know do this do this do that now it's [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► you know and that's like about boarding [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► script more dollars yourself yeah more [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► or less and then some of the stuff I [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► completely checklist right let's do this [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► then do this team is already gotten so [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► you don't miss a step [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► yeah you know it kills me be at it will [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► sink all of it some wood let's let's [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► let's the nerd out free it's you and me [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► we talk about baseball talk about bbedit [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► BB that will let you put like all of its [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► support stuff in in dropbox which is [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► great and I use that but its preferences [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► file does not go in dropbox and so every [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► time I move to [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► new Mac I either have to manually reset [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► all of the preferences or I have to go [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► to you know a home folder library [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► application support no library [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► preferences dot bare-bones BB and [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► preferences and copy that file over so [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► that my editor is the way I like it and [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► I do that every single time I move max [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► it's like one of those things on the [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► checklist is I gotta move my BB at [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► preferences because there they don't [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► they don't cloud sync I can't fish them [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► out dropbox yeah I've been meaning 5 [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► used that ever since bb-8 added that [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► feature [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► I mean it's couple years ago at least at [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► first I really liked it but it's grown [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► to annoy me because I end up with like [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► the same documents open because i also [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► have the preference set to ya restore [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► open documents and are all almost all [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► almost everything I reckon bbedit is [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► stored in dropbox so when I go to a [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► different machine and use bbedit their [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► dropbox has the same document and so [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► it's open in two and I don't I I fat [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► have found that I don't want that [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► because I don't try to leave too many [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► documents open [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► yeah and and oftentimes I you know i'll [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► leave one place and finish on the other [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► and then I go back and it's like oh I [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► don't want that you know its opening [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► documents i'm done with because it lost [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► state because i'm not you know keeping [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► them in open and sink myself and that I [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► i agree i've noticed that but i like the [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► fact that like all my scripts and [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► clippings and things like that are just [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► sort of there everywhere that's nice i [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► do too but I the ni dai know it's going [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► to annoy me to go back to the old way [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► where if i write a new script or just [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► one of my scripts just tweak one of my [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► scripts that to get that prepared script [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► to percolate everywhere i'd have to do [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► it manually [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► you know Ram zip up the the I don't know [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► maybe what I should do is just turn off [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► the preference to reopen documents and [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► see I don't know I've had it but it's a [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► mild annoyance that i've had i've been [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► thinking for like a year i should like [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► dig into this and and redo it but I I [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► don't another so so many things that we [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► do with our computers that are like it's [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► annoying but it doesn't you got up you [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► gotta clear the bar of i'm going to sit [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► down for an hour and figure out what the [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► hell is going on and so that you're just [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► like me I'm not gonna leave it and [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► probably do we do you have more than an [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► hour of misery me [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► maybe maybe not but it's just enough i [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► do that all the time with like [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► automation stuff where automation is [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► great but it's gotta you gotta clear the [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► time to like do it and once you do you [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► like yeah i-i've got this automation [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► thing but so often it's just like yeah [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► I'm not gonna bother I I it's close [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► enough and it's not enough annoyance for [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► me to break out an hour to try and [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► figure it out so you just leave it [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► I actually you know it's funny you [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► should say that i actually did a couple [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► of those things last week as a sort of [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► get my mind off of other things you know [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► my mind off the internet and I found it [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► very difficult to to write honestly got [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► a what i read a thing you know that we [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► just keep going mad here and I know [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► Merlin and I talked about this last week [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► extensively you know blah blah the [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► election and hard feelings but I saw a [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► couple of other people with sight Steven [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► Levy and a good thing on his back [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► channel he had everything was just a day [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► after the election but I i have a half [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► of me says I should just charge ahead [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► and write some you know typically daring [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► fireball topic stuff because other [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► people who read daring fireball i'm sure [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► would more than even usual love to have [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► their mind occupied by this you know to [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► get it off thoughts of the election and [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► and president huh [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► Trump yeah but then there's another half [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► of me that says that is it's it's so [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► it's inappropriate right that did with [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► something this the you know that seismic [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► level happens it's just it's just [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► foolish to write something that is so [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► off topic and I'm sorry I i found myself [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► unusually jammed last week in terms of [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► actually getting anything written by [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► what i did is i occupied myself by doing [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► a couple like Apple script things that [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► I've been meaning to write for myself [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► and it really it helped I this sort of [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► thing where I once i start like writing [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► an apple script and I'm yeah I'm because [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► half of it would for me always with [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► Apple script is what the hell is the [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► syntax were black [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► ok i find myself I cad [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► our can go by and I haven't had any [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► thoughts of the election and I'm and [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► it's like the best our my day was [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► writing yeah what is it here I've got it [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► just opened its a apple script that will [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► create a new text file at the current [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► right in the current Finder window [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► well that's nice yeah i mean i I've [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► it'sit's funny we're talking about this [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► because the as we record this i think [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► that the news kind of broke today that [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► Sal's ago Ian who is the automation an [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► applescript product manager at apple for [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► years is no longer employed by Apple I [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► didn't know that [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► oh yeah yeah i Justi just mentioned he [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► did it he did a presentation at the mac [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► tech conference today and and I'm not I [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► I just say i'm sad but I'm not really [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► surprised because i'm not sure Apple's I [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► has been on that particular ball for a [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► long time but you know and it's not for [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► everybody and I when I talk people know [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► that i do automation stuff and they're [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► like oh you know I it's hard to get into [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► and and that's all true but then you [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► know every and again I do leave things [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► for a long time and sometimes it's like [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► a well you know I should automate that [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► but every time I do one of those I [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► finally put in that work not only as a [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► kind of a pleasure to solve the problem [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► i am I think to myself this must be what [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► computer programmers feel all the time [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► but you know once it's done i guess i [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► can hand it to other people sometimes if [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► they wanted I've done that a little bit [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► and you know things get passed around [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► and it can make it just can make your [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► life better like I i have a bunch of [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► things now that are there not even Apple [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► scripts their their shell scripts that [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► run inside a service so basically you [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► know you basically make an automator [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► thing that says do the shell scripts [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► yeah and and then you want that table [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► current selection as input and pass it [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► to the script [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► yeah and so I did that for like I've got [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► I've got all these scripts that either [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► i'm i'm cool you know [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► clicking on something in the finder and [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► and doing a keyboard shortcut or I'm i'm [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► choosing it from the the contextual menu [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► to do all sorts of like audio processing [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► and stuff for podcasts and I just do it [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► in in its it's all scripts running in [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► the background and I got a lot of [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► scripts from Marco Arment who is very [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► comfortable with the command line and [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► just issues all this things from the [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► command line like I'm not gonna do that [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► I'm gonna put it in a little [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► you know I'm going to wrap it an [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► automator and just hit a keyboard [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► shortcut and do it and it's great and [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► every time I do one of those things I [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► think to myself I can't believe I went [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► months where I was bringing up the [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► terminal and dragging and folders to get [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► the pathnames and then issuing the shell [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► scripting commands and all that now only [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► do is point & click and that's the [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► that's the great thing about Mac [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► automation stuff and iOS to really is [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► once once it's done you know it's out of [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► the way all you do is go Boop and magic [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► things happen and you know that's that's [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► that's that's the abstracted computer [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► user interface in a nutshell right there [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► is you shouldn't know what the steps are [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► you should be able to build the steps [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► and then put it aside and just keep [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► doing your work there and some of the [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► utilities you know that are along those [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► lines like text expander and keyboard [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► maestro I think you are my star does i'm [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► almost certain text expander does is [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► there's a way if you go to like the [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► about box or something [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► it shows you how much time you say since [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► you've been using it and if you've been [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► using i I've got some of these utilities [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► where I somehow it it's like I look and [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► it tells me I've saved you know like [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► like 10 hours of Emma for so many years [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► but that's like a and each little step i [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► get one of them for me i fade published [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► this somewhere i don't know i don't [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► think it's on just or something like [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► that I've written about on during [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► fireball but I have a very particular [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► style of title casing i use on daring [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► fireball alright where is it you know [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► everything you know big word gets [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► uppercase letter and then there's a [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► specific set of little words that are [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► not like of a and uh and it can be [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► tricky though to do it to to automate it [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► because if you can be fooled by things [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► like quotes in the text that's being [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► selected because then that should be [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► capitalized if it's the first word in a [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► quote because it's like the title of the [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► thing so I back together a script years [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► ago that gets it right 99.9 percent of [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► the time and I have a exactly like you [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► know like you said it's an automator [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► script or our service with that shell [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► script running in it and have it mapped [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► to shift shift command T for ya title [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► case [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► and there are some I I think about how [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► much time that has saved me over the [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► years and it's it's just unbelievable [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► and but before I wrote it even though [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► i've been using it for years I think [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► we're all those years I was like arrow [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► arrow arrow shift and we type the letter [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► arrow arrow it's crazy [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► yeah it'sit's um I mean that's a keeper [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► my sister tells me save seven hours by [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► the way i just looked it goes back to [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► regular expressions right i mean you did [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► you write the chapter in the BB at [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► manual about regular expressions that [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► you know i know but the second half of [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► it is so I i think this is first I want [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► to take too much credit [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► the regular expression chapter and [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► bbedit was there when i started but BB [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► it was using a very old regular [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► expression library [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► it was really a derivative of the flight [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► of the original unix one guy named Henry [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► somebody somebody wrote it and it only [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► had like the basic regular expression [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► surprised it was almost more like a [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► glorified wildcards yeah and all the [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► fancy stuff that you can do when you [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► read that chapter and you're like holy [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► crap was added when i was there and so I [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► wrote the group you know they had added [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► onto the chapter to write all the pcre [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► yet up all right [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► yeah that's anyway that that's I i tell [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► people about crap about regular [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► expressions and then a that same look as [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► when i talk about automator if you talk [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► about shell scripting which is like I [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► don't want to learn it and understand it [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► i don't know and i get i get that but [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► like especially when I when I would talk [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► to writers and editors about crap I'd be [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► like you understand text is what you do [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► for a living i'm telling you if you [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► bought it like by Jeff freedoms book but [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► you know or read the BBA chapter there [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► are things in there that you know you if [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► you learn it all of a sudden you'll be [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► sitting there thinking oh man I can't [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► believe I need to do this this is going [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► to take me an hour and if you know the [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► language of grip if you know those [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► symbols you can do it in two minutes and [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► it had only happen once okay and you [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► realize that it is because you know it [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► is a life skill that you need to have [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► i I'll tell you the truth is a true [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► story I I didn't learn regular [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► expressions while i was in college even [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► though I was a bbedit nerd Comp Sci [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► major I I did it just look I i mean i [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► think the farthest i ever got was like [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► dot plus and dot star which is you know [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► just more like like old cars wildcards [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► find everything and I just never saw the [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► need for it and like a year or so after [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► college I got a temp job at the [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► philadelphia inquirer in the advertising [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► department where they had a bunch of [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► Excel spreadsheets with all of the ad [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► rates for everything and it was each [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► department had their own thing in each [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► one had like seven pages or 12 pages of [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► add in a you know a matrix you know so [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► it keeping them in excel as where the [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► business people set them made total [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► sense and then you know they're be [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► graphic designers who turn them into a [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► book that they could send out the people [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► so I got hired to do these books because [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► I could do graphic design and so I did [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► the first one and this is that everybody [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► did it but there was all sorts of [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► gibberish in columns that wasn't public [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► we know it was it must have made sense [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► for the business people who use the [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► Excel spreadsheet but what it didn't [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► need to go in there and so the way that [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► every you know it was done before and [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► the way I did the first book was you i [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► just went in and edit each column by [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► hand and it was just you know tab delete [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► tap delete and and just pages and pages [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► and pages and pages and you know couple [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► of days work easily i may be a week's [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► work for the whole book mostly just [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► deleting crap and i thought there's got [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► to be a better way and I thought about [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► that i think this is the sort of stuff [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► regular expressions are supposed to [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► solve and so I wrote I just felt like a [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► day writing like that just a couple of [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► regular expressions and bbedit and then [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► so i went from excel to text bbedit to [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► just run a couple of saved grep patterns [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► imported it into the document and I was [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► done and I literally mean literally [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► turned like a week's work of work for [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► each book into about like two hours [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► and so I just what I acted as though i [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► didn't write the script and just static [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► but you know roll [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► browse the web but it's that that's [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► actually going out of Excel is that's [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► like a pro tip for for all this stuff to [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► is like I can't tell you how many times [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► I've had something in Excel that's been [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► a disaster and I just selected and paste [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► into bbedit comes in his tab delimited [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► and where you save it out as a [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► tab-delimited file and you and you do [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► all of the crazy tech stuff and you just [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► make sure that they're there are tabs [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► between the field and right bring it [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► back into excel and you're like look [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► yeah it was it was all it was an excel [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► all along but it wasn't you you know you [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► completely take it out you x we're [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► taking multiple columns in excel and I [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► pulled them out and then kind of like [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► mix them and match them and and and and [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► reassemble them in the right way and [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► then you paste them back in and it's [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► like you know it's like that you never [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► left excel but they totally came out of [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► excel and it's not like you can't do [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► some wild card stuff in excel but you [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► probably right visual basic script to do [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► things too but for me it was just like I [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► get this back to text and can i can i [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► write a couple of pattern matching [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► search and replaces that solve this [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► problem and usually the answer is yeah [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► and you can take an hour for can do in [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► 10 minutes [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► find that it i mean literally wonderful [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► web literally terrible of weeks weeks of [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► work in two hours of work and I just got [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► paid for weeks or I felt like I deserved [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► it huh yeah i would just say this one [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► last thing [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► it was a long time ago must have been [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► 2001 or so when i wrote that that the [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► second half of the bbedit group chapter [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► I would still say it is one of the [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► pieces of writing that I am most proud [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► of in my entire life because I've people [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► have told me many times when they find [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► out that i wrote it they're like oh my [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► god that was the first time regular [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► persons ever made sense to me and I [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► can't take credit for the whole chapter [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► but I did take a pass through the early [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► part just because that was my goal is I [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► do feel like I have a knack for regular [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► expressions [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► that's the one area of programming where [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► I'm better than almost anybody it's I [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► just ice I really am good at figuring [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► out how to create the syntax to match [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► what I want to match [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► and ends up creating these things that [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► most people look at me [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► they're like what the hell yeah i really [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► want i think that's the problem with [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► with regular expressions readability [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► like people see them anything about that [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► it's nonsense I can't do it so no if you [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► learn it's actually fairly [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► straightforward [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► not all of them but most of them but [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► they look like nonsense [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► well I just thought me know but this is [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► something this is I get the perfect [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► combination for me because i have a [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► knack for explaining things and i have a [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► knack for regular expressions and in [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► hindsight I still feel you know what is [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► 14 15 years later I'd I i still feel [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► it's one of the best things I've ever [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► ever written [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► yeah yeah I love that chapter that i [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► mentioned Jeff riedel's O'Reilly book [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► about this is great but it's from [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► possession of a you know longtime unix [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► guy and he talks about scripting a lot [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► in that like shell and perl scripting [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► and for me the most direct application [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► was bbedit so the BBA chapter is a much [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► more distilled clear approach to this [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► then I love that freedom book and I used [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► to reference at all the time but the BB [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► the chapter is a much more simple gentle [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► introduction [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► yeah I love it I love the freedom book [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► too and i read I've read both editions [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► maybe three editions and there might be [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► a third I don't know every time there's [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► a new addition there is a third and i [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► have all three copies and I've read them [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► all covered it is but it's a i would i [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► would definitely say it is it it this [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► Friedel book is so comprehensive and so [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► well done that it's I don't know that [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► I've ever read any book on any subject [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► where you could say well there's no need [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► for anybody else to ever write a book on [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► this again but I would honestly say that [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► that's the case with freedoms book on [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► regular expressions and I just can't see [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► how anybody else would sit would say [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► well I'll take the time to write a [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► technical book which is really hard on [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► this subject when there's a book that [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► covers it [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► both perfectly and extensively all right [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► maybe I'll take a break how about I take [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► a break here and think the first friend [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► of the show [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► it's our good friends good good friend [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► Casper Casper they make obsessively [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► engineer mattresses and shockingly fair [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► prices go to Casper calm / the talk show [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► and used code the talk show and you'll [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► say fifty bucks towards your mattress [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► with one exception hold on i'll tell you [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► what that is [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► so here's the deal I've told you this [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► before I'll say it again Casper has [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► created one perfect type of mattress [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► it's it's a combination of like memory [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► foam and some other stuff that's just [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► the right blend of types of things so [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► you don't have to pick between six [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► different types of mattresses that you [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► know what the hell how do you know what [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► the differences these guys it really is [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► sort of like the Apple attitude taken [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► two mattresses trust us will do all the [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► work will make one type of mattress and [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► then all you have to do is pick the size [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► that's it that is it's the just seems to [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► me this is how a mattress company should [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► do it now in addition to that because [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► they sell they make them they right here [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► in United States in fact and they sell [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► them directly to you you just go there [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► they cut out the middleman and it [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► enables them to keep their prices [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► incredibly lower than the mainstream big [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► brand mattresses you find in traditional [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► mattress stores premium mattress is [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► often start at well over 1,500 casper [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► mattresses cost just 500 for twin 754 [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► full 854 queen and just 954 a king so [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► you can get a king from them for less [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► than like a twin from a lot of the other [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► big brands crazy there and like I said [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► they're made right here in America now [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► biggest thing you think how am I going [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► to buy a thousand-dollar mattress and [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► not even try it you have to worry about [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► they have a hundred knight home trial if [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► you don't love it they will pick it up [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► at your house give you a full refund no [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► hard sell [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► it's not like trying to cancel your [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► cable it it's something like that you [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► just say i want to send it back and they [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► say ok when you know and then somebody [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► shows up and they take the mattress away [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► and you get your money back and that's [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► it I've had readers Casper's been a [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► sponsor long enough i've gotten emails [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► from readers who have done that and they [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► said i can't believe how you know can't [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► believe how easy it was to actually just [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► send it back because they actually you [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► know they didn't believe that it was [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► going to be easy because that sounds too [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► good to be true [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► but that's how confident Casper is in [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► your mattress get yours today hundred [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► Knights in your own home they have a dog [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► mattress even that's a new product and [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► that's the one that you don't get 50 [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► bucks on because it's a lower price but [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► if you have a if you have a dog get him [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► a good mattress go check it out [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► I've had readers tell me this is a thing [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► when i first did this read i didn't know [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► that the discount it apply to the dog [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► one so I had a couple of readers who [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► said hey I've got my dog the mattress [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► but i didn't get 50 bucks off but I [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► don't care because my dog loves the [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► mattress so that's that's the exception [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► go to Casper calm / the talk show and [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► remember that code the talkshow to say [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► fifty bucks on any human sized mattress [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► maybe that would get my dog off my couch [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► i love doing sponsor reads I've gone [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► from having it be the part of this job [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► that I hate to part that I i love i [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► think that makes the I'm not to get [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► podcast e inside baseball but I think [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► that's make makes the reads better once [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► when you can't either a couple podcast i [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► listen to where you know the ads are our [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► part of the entertainment and you just [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► can't you know you cannot listen to them [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► you can tune out you can't skip you [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► really gotta pay attention because they [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► went they they put their personality [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► into them and you know and that I think [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► that makes the difference if it's if [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► it's like a hostage video or something [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► it's a lot less entertaining but if it's [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► a if it's part of the fun [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► then it's a lot better I can't even tell [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► you how many emails I got from people [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► about last week's show with Maryland [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► where they're a just thinking was like [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► oh my god I needed that you know uh huh [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► you know for the election even they're [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► like oh my god sponsor reach so good i [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► will have to do is take a mental break [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► here and just say I I don't have time to [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► respond to all of my email but I got so [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► much email never at most emails I've [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► gotten about an episode of the show in [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► as long as i can remember from people [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► last week and all of it I i honestly [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► didn't see one that was I honestly [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► thought there'd be some from Trump [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► people or you know people who just don't [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► want to hear about people who are upset [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► about the way the election turned out [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► you know go back to tech dummy i didn't [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► get any of that and which was sort of [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► our goal that was the way you know that [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► we approached in what we talked about [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► but I got so much email from people [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► thanking us for that so i just want to [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► say to all of you who listen thank you [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► for listening and thank you for the good [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► words i have a podcast question for you [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► Jason you don't answer [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► do you do any other podcast regularly i [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► occasionally so you here in there [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► occasionally podcast yeah yeah just some [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► time from time you mean like all per day [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► is like that I guess I got a bug up my [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► butt recently about something that I had [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► never thought about before and I this is [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► the sort of thing that I tend to think [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► about I can't believe I didn't really [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► think that much about it when I set up [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► the talkshow to be on daring fireball [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► which is the fact that I've been doing [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► it I've always done it it and most of [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► the podcast almost all the podcasts I [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► see do it but putting the episode number [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► in the title and making the episode [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► number a major part you know like that [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► the main anchor on the URL that the like [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► dead on our websites on six colors and [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► during fireball we don't have post [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► number you know 420 3123 right now that [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► was a good one [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► yeah a little-little 20 3323 why why do [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► we do this and and you know TV shows [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► don't do it I mean they sort of do now [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► the right where you're like when you [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► watch digitally you do you know you're [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► going through season 1 episode 7 of [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► american horror story or whatever so [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► there is right there's sort of that on [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► TV but I don't know I I it's a good it's [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► a good question like why why do we [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► number podcasts and you you I can always [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► tell what number it is because you [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► actually do number them in the like the [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► slug of of the talk show but not like in [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► the in what people see just like the [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► real descriptions right I i well [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► but I have them in the metadata for the [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► show so like when you're looking at your [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► podcast player it will say 1 773 yeah [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► well I switched recently I did switch [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► just a couple weeks ago from putting EP [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► period space the digital you know [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► representation of the number colon i [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► took out the EP because i thought you [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► know what it its craft like that I yeah [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► I don't like I like clean urls I don't [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► like seen dot PHP at the end of the URL [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► i don't like seeing all the gibberish [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► and like the medium URLs I don't like [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► tracking in a URL i like the URL to have [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► every single bit of it be meaningful and [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► I same way with like the titles i don't [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► but it seems to me [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► yeah I don't know their seem it part of [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► me thinks that part of it is that you [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► want to know which one's the newest [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► episode in your podcast player and that [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► maybe it actually is useful because it [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► you it's it's a more confident way of [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► making sure that your podcast player [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► whatever software it is whichever sort [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► order it's using top to bottom or bottom [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► to top you know which one's the newest [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► one [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► uh-huh so I'm keeping it i like when i [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► made the change to get rid of the e [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► period i was on the verge of just [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► getting rid of him period and maybe just [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► putting them in the URL but then I [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► thought you know what I think there's a [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► reason everybody does it matter with you [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► think I don't know if it's a reason that [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► is I don't know if it's a good reason or [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► if it's more just sort of continuity I [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► mean some of it is reference why is to [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► be able to say it's this one like saying [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► like the macworld we had volumes and [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► numbers like internally we would have [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► liked you turning us a story and it [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► would be 24 dash 0 for and that was [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► literally 2404 was like the tooth the [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► april two thousand eight issue or [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► something is like vol.24 number four and [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► and that was partially because in a [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► fight in the file system like it would [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► sort right that all the 2400 force would [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► go together and then there you have 25 [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► 405 and it would just kind of keep going [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► like that so I think some of it is just [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► sort of like finding an internal [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► structure and for podcast you could do [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► it by date you could literally say you [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► know this is the one for the you know [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► this day in November of 2016 and the [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► metadata certainly supplies that so you [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► could just you could just do that you [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► could have nothing [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► I don't know as a kid growing up I [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► really loved reading comic books and [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► comic books always had that like this is [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► amazing spider-man number 183 and and [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► they would have footnotes and they would [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► say no spider-man face the Scorpion [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► before an amazing spider-man number 83 [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► and send him to prison and you'll [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► account number III yes if only I had [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► that issue i could read that now and i [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► was part of what appeals to me about the [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► podcast numbering scheme is that which [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► is just it lets you hang a number on it [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► and say for reference sake this is what [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► it is rather than saying season one [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► number three or just giving you a date [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► but I don't know if that's a great [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► reason to do it [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► I'm probably also the the other thought [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► I had this since the incomparable is now [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► at 326 episodes I think maybe it was a [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► it made sense when you did 10 episodes [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► of a podcast in the early its podcasting [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► and now there are these podcasts that [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► have hundreds and hundreds of episodes [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► were pretty soon if not already there [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► will very soon be many podcast with with [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► a thousand-plus episodes tomorrow so [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► hannah it's sort of crazy marco was [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► saying on ATP a couple an episode or two [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► ago because he knows because he runs so [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► Radio One's get it he said that the real [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► they're already there [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► yeah at the end they do because there's [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► radio stations that will publish five or [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► six podcast today like it meaning like [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► the 15 or 12 hour three our four of the [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► you know the sports fans podcast in the [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► morning [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► comments okay you'll have episode 1500 [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► crazy the comic-book analogy is pretty [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► good guess the best for me is it gives [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► you something to hang on sequentially [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► and say look we've done a lot of these [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► and and then I that with incomparable I [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► mean even though we built an index and [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► one of the reasons that we did end up [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► using using movable-type which you use [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► on during [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► rball for the incomparable CMS is [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► because i wanted a I wanted an index of [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► of topics and so I've got an index of [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► topics so if somebody wants to see [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► what's that episode where where John [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► grouper and John Syracuse to talk about [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► the Godfather you can look up the [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► godfather and it won't be like it's this [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► number right but still people will email [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► me tweet me post on Facebook whatever [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► they'll say was that episode about [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► whatever and it there is something nice [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► about being able to say that was number [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► 32 and just become point I'm gonna be [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► like it's that one that number i don't [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► know it's like a little handle for an [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► episode [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► yeah the alternative would be the just [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► look at the dates just happened but that [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► doesn't show up that's not gonna show up [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► in the list in your podcast player [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► well but that's maybe a self-fulfilling [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► prophecy right right i mean i think [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► maybe podcast player you I is is in part [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► based on the idea that a lot of podcasts [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► organize themselves by numbers but [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► overcast has it has a date field right [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► and there are dates for every episode [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► and in overcast and i would imagine most [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► podcast players or are kinda like that [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► and certainly if a podcast weren't [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► numbered I'm sure they would all be like [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► yeah but if you if I'd like made my not [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► numbered or didn't put the numbers in [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► the titles it's not going to change it [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► you know i mean it's the collective [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► decision that the broadcast industry as [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► a whole is made to do that [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► yes it is it's more fun for me to say we [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► talked about raiders of the lost ark and [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► the incomparable number eight then it is [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► to say October 17 2010 episode was that [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► that was that the gap in my appearances [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► on the uncomfortable with it because we [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► laughed about I was just on recently [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► like you just said to talk about the [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► Godfather with John turkeys in a few [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► other and forget their names sorry [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► because I went there was a bunch it was [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► it was great I had a great time I I [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► can't count the number of people who [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► made the crack on twitter that they [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► can't believe that all of us long-winded [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► podcasters made a podcast about the [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► Godfather that was shorter than [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► Godfather [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► but it was at it that I hadn't been on [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► since Reuters that was episode aid [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► yeah that was six is basically six years [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► October 10-2 October 16 other than a day [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► we were in my interview for my david [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► letterman episode which was I yeah but [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► in terms of like being on the panel yeah [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► we want to mate 2 323 that's fine that's [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► fine i tried a couple of times to get [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► you on it's like you're busy and and I I [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► want to like with Merlin i kinda want to [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► deploy you guys tactically I don't want [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► to be like I want to ask you when [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► there's something I got this really good [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► news like I for like a couple years I [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► don't think we're going to the godfather [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► to get siracusa when asked John Gruber [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► you know what will make we're gonna make [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► it happen and we finally made it happen [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► was great to get somebody to go to miss [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► you know any chance to talk about able [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► to go to is worth it [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► although we didn't make it happen until [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► a bogota was actually dead [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► yeah well mr. maybe we can maybe that [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► was what I was waiting for just I wanted [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► able to pass on before we talked about [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► him [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► I like this is so amazing i literally at [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► just five seconds ago got a DM from rich [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► single creator video asking if I'd heard [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► that salad left Apple yeah west dive I [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► was spooked I was like is he listening [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► do we have a live broadcast that I don't [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► know that I should have turned off the [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► live stream for being competent be on [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► everyone's been talking about him but [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► then I realized that asking have I heard [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► means he's not spoken but that was kinda [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► spooky given that we we spent a good [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► chance the last 45 minutes talking about [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► bbedit and automation and tell ya [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► new macbook pros [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► yeah i read i really enjoyed your review [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► I thank you often think of when I write [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► these reviews I don't know if you feel [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► the same way but I write them and [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► sometimes I feel like I i know that i've [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► got this like I'm might I I don't you [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► know I don't care of other people agree [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► with me or not but my I know that what [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► I'm saying about this i'm certain of [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► other times I feel like I haven't had [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► enough time or it's it's [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► something a lot of times it's just that [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► I feel like I have enough time but at [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► other times it's like I'm not sure that [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► what I care about is representative of [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► enough people and I kind of had that [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► worried with the reviewer wrote of these [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► macbook pros because i know that there's [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► a lot of people who are disappointed in [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► just the basic idea of the direction [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► apple is taking them on but I read a [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► whole bunch of the reviews from people [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► who I really respect like you enjoy a [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► stern it goes on and i read a whole [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► bunch of them after you know after after [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► my review and it really seemed to me [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► like a very large consensus of that [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► these are pretty good machines [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► yeah I tried to mean because the way [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► we've got kind of strung out i got to [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► write a piece after the apple event with [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► that was basically quick hands-on with [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► that 13-inch macbook escape and I got to [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► I got to use it for a week and travel [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► and then write another piece about it by [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► the time I got to the touch bar one I [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► felt like I kind of addressed the issues [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► about like peoples disappointment i [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► rather than I think I macworld column [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► about people's disappointment and what [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► that meant for like why kind of Apple [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► let everything build up and and and [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► people kind of this was a thing they [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► could focus on some of their [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► disappointment and let it out and and so [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► I felt like by the time i get a touch [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► bar review I could like it was great [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► because I could just write about the [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► touch bar and was like I i wrote a [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► couple sections about the rest of the [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► computer but really it was an essay [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► about the touch bar in touch ID because [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► that was the thing that was little was [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► left and frankly was the thing i found [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► most interesting and its really why I [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► love 3i honest I'm not just saying that [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► because you're on the show in your [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► palates really why I of all the reviews [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► i really think i like year's best [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► because i spent a relatively little [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► amount on touch bar just because I had [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► so much else to say about sort of the [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► bigger picture and the other thing I [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► thought was that your video which [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► focused almost entirely on the touch bar [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► was super instructive in like a in the [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► difference between like the way Apple [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► would do a promotional video [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► about the touch bar in fact did and they [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► showed it during the event yours was [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► focused on look when you're doing real [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► stuff like here's you know just stupid [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► little things you know like the fact [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► that you can it when you adjust the [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► brightness or the volume you can just [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► put your finger on it and slide without [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► tapping on the actual thing that shows [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► up it illustrated in a way that I feel [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► like 10,000 words wouldn't have conveyed [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► you really have it to visual it's [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► clearly a very visual input device and [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► so I feel like the video really help [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► have you done video reviews before I've [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► done a handful of them i did some [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► macworld and then since I've been doing [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► six colors I've done a few that you know [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► they take time and the challenges always [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► am I doing this because everybody agrees [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► that videos the future and we need to do [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► video or am i doing it because video [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► will be able to impart something that's [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► worth imparting and and for me it really [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► is like I will put in the time if I feel [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► like this is gonna be the best way to [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► communicate something with the touch bar [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► it was very clear this was the weighted [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► I i needed to communicate what was going [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► on with the touch bar and I had the time [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► I finished that review basically on [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► friday afternoon in the embargo was [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► monday morning and so on the weekend [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► unlike the sunday morning i basically [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► sat down is it alright let's figure out [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► if i can make a video here and i ended [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► up with like an iphone 7 on a in a glyph [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► attached to a like a little tripod and a [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► bigger tripod and I tried to figure out [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► like can I get an angle where I can see [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► the touch bar and it's not blown out and [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► then I can capture the screen and kind [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► of put them together and in the end it [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► did work which is good because that's [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► what i wanted is like I wanted people to [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► be able to see like what happens on [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► screen what happens on the touch bar [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► where your fingers go [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► what's the result can you see the [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► animations can you see how some of the [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► apps have these totally wild like slider [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► interfaces and others just have keys [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► some of them color the keys some of them [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► don't color the keys and until you know [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► there will be it's a little harder [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► because you can't like to a screen [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► capture of its hard to make those videos [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► and i have the advantage of having some [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► time to shoot the video when I figured [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► out of the gate there aren't going to be [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► that many videos that explain this [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► feature and apples videos are probably [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► not what people want to see because [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► they're gonna be really slick but [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► they're not as [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► sara lee i mean the marketing videos [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► they're not going to necessarily like [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► slowed down enough for people to see [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► what's going on and in the end it was [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► about five minutes long which you know i [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► kinda feel like could be too long but at [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► the same time I felt like I really [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► packed in with stuff so but it was worth [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► doing because of that because it was it [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► was how much how many words like you [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► said how many words what I had to try to [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► write to convey what i could just show [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► in a video yeah I I honestly feel like [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► it that's the sort of thing that just [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► can't be done it verbally it and you [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► know it [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► I say even even just little things like [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► look here's what it looks like in this [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► app here's what it looks like in this [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► happen and they're all sort of [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► monochromatic and you can go through a [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► bunch of stuff in the touch bar apps you [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► know switching from app to app and you [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► know doing things and using the control [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► strip and it almost feels like a [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► monochrome screen and then all of a [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► sudden you're in something like Maps [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► question and it's it is all lit up like [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► Times Square [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► yeah i'm not saying that's wrong yet [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► iight but it is you know it it it is [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► such a different thing know and all of a [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► sudden when your keyboard like Maps is [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► probably the best example but it it when [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► your keyboard lights up with all those [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► colors it is a weird different thing [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► because i've been using App laptops for [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► I don't know long time you know at least [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► 15 16 17 years since i first bought one [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► and had one at the school paper before [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► that so you know probably 20 years my [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► keyboards never let up in color before [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► yeah so yeah it was surprisingly weird [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► to me it really was when you get the [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► burst of color it really was [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► surprisingly interesting to me you have [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► a calculator is the other one that [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► struck me because they there are a few [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► of those keys are like an orange they're [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► like super bright [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► yeah and they're still keys but they're [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► super bright that maps it's it's [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► basically putting up the same icons that [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► are in iOS and they're very colorful [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► that is the by far the most colorful [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► implementation sort of standard buttons [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► like people the calculator I thought [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► calculator was really instructive done [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► only in the use of color but both [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► calculator and James Thompson's p Cal [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► cap [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► those were those were both instructive [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► to me in realizing that what I what I [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► think is the right way to handle the [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► touch bar is as an extension of the [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► keyboard and not i mean when all the [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► questions like why I wouldn't why would [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► you need to touch bar why wouldn't you [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► just want to use the mac interface it [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► was that idea of I don't know how to do [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► this with the keyboard which means that [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► i'm going to get to a certain point [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► where i have to take my hands off the [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► keyboard move down to the trackpad and [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► click on some UI on the screen and so [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► the calculator was that moment where I [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► realized oh I can put like square roots [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► and cube root and log and sine and [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► cosine on the touch bar and I can do [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► numbers and then immediately just move [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► my hands slightly up and go tap and now [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► I've got a result or the or or [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► conversion you know fahrenheit to [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► celsius or something and my hands stay i [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► was already up on the number right in my [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► hand just move up and that was that more [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► I thought oh yeah this is why this is [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► this is where this shines is I just stay [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► on the keyboard and the touch bar kind [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► of just as an extension of the keyboard [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► that and is that how everybody's going [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► to use it I don't know it's so early we [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► don't really know but it felt to me like [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► that was the moment that unlocked like I [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► see why you would use this and and when [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► I am James sent me a beta P calc where [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► when you tap the function keys it [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► brought up a palette of all his [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► functions in the UI and and what that [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► meant was I tap the the touch bar and [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► then I had to take my hands off the [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► keyboard move to the trackpad and then [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► move the cursor up and then click on [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► which one I wanted and I sent him an [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► email back and said you know I think [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► this is wrong i think what you need is [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► to put your functions in the touch bar [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► because because it feels like a defeat [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► if I touch the touch bar and then i have [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► to take my hands off of it and move [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► around with the cursor and so he changed [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► it and now it's like your most recent [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► the functions and conversions appear in [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► the touch bar and it's like night and [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► day because now i type in 32 and I tap [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► conversion fahrenheit to celsius and [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► that and it all happens on the touch bar [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► and I never have to sort of switch modes [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► to mousing around [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► yeah and I think that calculator is [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► the apples calculators an interesting [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► example in a couple of ways I I my gut [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► feeling is that that's one of the apps [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► that got it most right yeah me too and [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► one thing to and I know apple said this [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► is true but my experience testing the [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► device is that it is clear that apple's [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► mac app engineering teams spent a lot of [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► time working on touch bar support for [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► their apps because there are obviously [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► some of the oddball apps like the ones [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► that are in applications / utilities you [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► know it had only one who's got updated [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► it did you really go through everyone i [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► did i did i I've got you want to hear [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► the list no review but it's like so you [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► to activity monitor not that's the one [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► that gets me activity monitor and [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► terminal are the two utilities that [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► Gotye do about terminal i forgot about [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► right i forgot the terminal was that was [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► buried away in utilities I used to it [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► but they also located in this is some of [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► the stock and some of them are there [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► straps straps but calculator calendar [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► contacts finder Final Cut Pro garageband [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► iMovie itunes keynote male maps messages [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► numbers pages photos preview quicktime [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► player safari system preferences and [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► then they're a bunch of apps that use [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► the sort of standard text editing [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► interface and they pick up a text editor [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► touch bar interface so like text edit [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► and and notes get that get that text [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► editing so it's too so there's like [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► there's like more than a dozen they did [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► a lot mean for people who say apple [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► doesn't care about the mac it's like [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► they built this whole new bit of [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► hardware and then they updated all of [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► these mac apps to support it was a lot [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► of work right and there's a lot of work [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► in I might be missing something actually [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► but there's there's the the the hardware [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► engineering work of actually putting an [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► embedded iOS device into the keyboard [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► with this everything system-on-a-chip [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► and having a stay way that it can [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► interface with the Intel side you've got [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► like this arm little arm computer [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► running on your keyboard and it [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► communicates with the Intel side and the [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► Intel side even does the because the one [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► of the things that the the iOS device on [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► the touch part doesn't have is a GPU so [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► the Intel side does the GPU rendering [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► and has to go back but it's all done [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► securely in and there's a whole bunch of [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► the let you know [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► electrical engineering going on there [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► that's it it's just that you'd never [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► know it right didn't you know it's 60 [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► frames-per-second just like iOS its [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► instantaneous touch [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► it's just like you know you'd expect [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► from any apple iOS touch device so [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► there's that engineered did physical [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► hardware engineering of that there's the [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► and ended the second level is the mac [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► programming side where all of these apps [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► were updated with whether they got a [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► right or wrong [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► none of them seemed half-ass they all [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► seemed like a lot of thought went into [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► it all these apps got updated with touch [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► bar support which is a lot of work but [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► then in between those two there's the [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► xcode side where the people who work on [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► the api's and xcode itself had to do all [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► the work to make it so that mac [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► developers have api's and and you know a [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► simulator so they can test our machines [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► that don't actually have a touch bar and [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► all of that stuff so an awful lot of [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► work went into this and i completely [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► agree it's it's to me [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► example number one that I whatever else [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► is going on with the mac and some of the [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► machines that have gone way too long [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► without getting updated it's clear that [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► Apple this is invested in the mac i [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► really think that touch bars is proof of [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► yeah and we can debate and I've been [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► trying to make this distinction for the [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► last couple of weeks it's like part of [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► what I think a lot of us do is try to [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► understand why Apple is doing what [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► Apple's motivation is why Apple made the [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► choices it made [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► I want to separate that from the [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► judgments about whether these are good [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► decisions are not because i think we [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► could debate whether doing the touch bar [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► is a good decision or not we can debate [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► the price of these systems and we can [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► debate you know this there's so many [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► aspects of this that we can that we can [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► talk about but I think you can't debate [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► the fact that Apple made a major [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► investment in the mac platform in this [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► in this this particular computer because [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► we're seeing a huge bit of hardware [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► engineering happening here [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► a whole lot of software engineering [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► happening here so we can you know we can [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► debate whether we think this is the [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► right approach whether this was a waste [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► of time whether having a laptop focused [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► input device method is good or bad if [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► it's going to be a gimmick there's all [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► those things but you can't debate it was [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► a huge investment on Apple's part to do [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► this and if they really didn't care [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► about the mac why would they do it right [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► exactly i do another laptop with the [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► latest did intel chips and move on [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► right i mean that they could do that [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► yeah here's why I think calculators is a [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► great example the Apple calculator app [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► is a great example because the buttons [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► so Apple it at least I don't know [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► forever since like iOS 7 show and then [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► when you know the the Yosemite whenever [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► the mac version was that got the sort of [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► iOS style visual refresh [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► Apple has a very consistent calculator [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► look and it's you know mostly based on [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► the color orange [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► yeah thanks you know orange buttons so [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► when those buttons on the keyboard it [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► makes the keyboard look calculator [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► branded right like in so if you use [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► apples calculator you know what it looks [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► like it's got this sort of just orange [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► calculator look you see these buttons [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► that are orange and it's it to me is a [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► very cool way of making the touch bar [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► feel like it's part of the app it's it's [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► a really cool move and all of the all of [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► the functions that are in orange on the [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► UI are orange on the touch bar and so [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► it's like yeah you mean you immediately [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► get it you're like oh yeah right like a [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► of course they are course the equals [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► button is orange so I'd when I i was at [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► the event and I got to talk to people at [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► Apple and they showed me the calculated [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► and at it a couple of the people i spoke [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► to you know that this is one of my [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► favorite examples i know it sounds silly [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► but they should be calculator and then [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► at first like in the default calculator [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► mode the only button you have up there [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► divided x minus plus equals and they [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► said no that it seems silly because [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► those buttons are there you know you can [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► hit shift on the equals key to get plus [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► and you know it's it's not like you [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► can't type that but they said like it in [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► our testing [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► with the team that was using it we found [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► that we loved this and surprising how [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► many people at on the Apple at inside [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► Apple who had access to this and we're [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► working on it [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► loved the calculator thing because all [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► of a sudden you have to get it makes [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► your laptop keyboard feel more like [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► having that extended keyboard that has [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► this the thing on the right side where [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► you have number pads and dedicated [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► buttons for those features right there's [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► a reason why some people who enter [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► numbers a lot like having an extended [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► keyboard that has that keypad over there [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► it gives you sort of the now the number [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► layout maybe isn't quite as convenient [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► having a horizontal row of numbers but [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► not having to worry about everything [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► shift or the fact that that they're not [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► consecutive you know that- is right [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► there but plus you have to hit shift to [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► get I mean it's all sort of weird typing [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► those those operators on the keyboard on [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► that regular keyboard with you don't [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► have a numpad with the touch bar [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► it really is natural yeah i mean you [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► could argue that count [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► could argue that count [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► Slater is the best example and that that [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► they really do run the game but i do [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► think that this is going to be an [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► interface playground where we're going [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► to learn a lot in the next year or two [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► where Apple and third-party developers [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► tried a bunch of stuff and find out what [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► the right approach is because it's all [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► over the map now like how calculator is [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► a good example because there are there [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► are buttons you want to press that that [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► are on keys like there is no I mean [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► there's an equals key and there's a [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► there's a plus and minus and do you know [TS]