00:00:00 ◼ ► So I should start the show by pointing out that it is fourteen degrees outside here in the place that does not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/0">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► winter. Are you still stuck on this right here let slip my my throat is reading thirteen point eight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► So we are clearly colder the new we have winter you don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/14">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► I'm twelve here get His know those two cents of those two point two degrees man. There killer.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/17">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► Right now that I got that out of the way. Do you understand follow up what we do. Let's talk about FS L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/24">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► So we have a couple of more pieces of interesting news flash feedback with regard to whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/32">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► or not you really need a cell for just plain old websites that don't really do anything interactive David Walken wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/38">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► in and said regarding us to sell everywhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/45">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► Mostly just Nephi on this is a demand for decently sized charter school in California [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/47">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► and I can tell you from experience that H.T.T.P. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/51">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► Wreaks havoc with the constant filters that we are required to have in place. I love the idea of cheap or free S.S.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/54">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► Certs and more security in general but it's also going to make my life miserable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/60">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► Trying to keep students from doing content that they shouldn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/65">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► And that's kind of unfortunate that schools have to filter everything but I totally understand it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/68">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► And that's actually an interesting point that I hadn't considered before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/74">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► Now that it's going to the same thing that discussed last week to force everyone to have a certificate to manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/78">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► military and everybody else on the school's Internet and. You know what happens in corporate settings. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/82">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► It happens in schools all the time and as we learned from many other people had the same back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/87">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► and in attach a name to it in the notes because so many people sent it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/91">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► They were showing examples of Go-Go's in-flight Internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/93">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► Issuing its own certificate so that it can men in the middle you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/96">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► Because once your browser trudges trusted certificate it acts as an S.S.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/100">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► Proxy decrypts everything see there are all the traffic that goes through and who knows what else it does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/103">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► So this is definitely a thing it happens in all sorts of places it happens on plain wife I happens in academic settings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/108">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► happens in corporate settings. Yeah but the wonders of S.S.L. Is not the fault of a cell but it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/116">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► People want to see your data. And if you try to use the cell to stop them from seeing your data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/124">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► If you wander into an environment where they say No really. We need to see your data. They'll see your data. Yep. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/128">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► Well and I think this is one of those cases where like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/134">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► You know you can't have it both ways if you want to have complete control over what gets viewed over your network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/136">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► and you want to spy on people or filter it. Unique control over those devices. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/142">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► So that you can do things like install your own certificates. You know via I.T. Policy and you know group installation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/146">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► Methods stuff like that where you know you can have a coffee shop and B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/152">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► and Say are you can take your laptop in here whatever you want browsing whatever you want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/157">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► And then be spying on that without their knowledge you know that's that's no good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/160">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► So I think this is actually of a perfectly fine balance I don't think we're going to cause trouble for schools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/163">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► everywhere. To a degree that it's work not doing it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/167">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► Yeah I mean and like the GO thing is doing schools could do something similar if you're basically you try to foist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/170">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► The certificate on the people who are on your net we're going to look if you want to be on our network. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/176">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► The prices you have to use a civic and trust and so we can feel your content. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/181">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► I'm not quite sure what the state of filtering in an academic setting is the that I understand why it would be a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/184">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► that people want to do but it seems to me that it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/190">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► Basically impossible to stop what they're trying to stop as students are seeing things inappropriate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/194">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► and what students trying to do is see an appropriate things. And if the students are one hundred percent going to win. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/200">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► Yep like you cannot stop them. Right but I understand that it's like well just because we can't stop them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/205">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► Doesn't mean we shouldn't try because not trying so I don't know I don't know what the correct solution there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/210">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► but technically speaking as one of those situations where you're not going to win. Well plus. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/215">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► I mean not to get too creepy about it but like I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/220">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► By the time a lot of kids are old enough to start seeking out bad things on the Internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/223">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► There's a pretty good chance these days they probably have their own smartphone. With a data plan. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/228">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► Yep and Verizon all it's doing is tracking the putting in a tracker and all there is if you're. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/233">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► It's funny guys bring up schools. Again because when Aaron first started teaching. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/239">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► She wanted to be able to do something simple like look at G. Mail. When she was it working at the time it was filtered. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/245">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► And I think when she had left at the end of this past school year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/251">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► Teachers were afforded more privileges than the students were. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/256">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► But when she first started that was in the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/260">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► and so I vividly remember getting into a like several months long game of chicken. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/262">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► Where I set up I think was like a Sox proxy on a little Linux server I had at the house. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/268">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► And she was using after a while in the neck up locked and so then I moved the socks proxy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/273">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► or whatever it was it doesn't really matter I move the proxy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/278">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► On See you like a standard port number like twenty five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/280">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► or something like that of my time in the exchange port number whatever that was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/284">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► But then that eventually got blocked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/287">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► and that was around the time that that they started giving the teachers more privileges. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/289">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► But there were other few other steps that I don't remember in this process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/293">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► but we were definitely playing this like cat and mouse game Ian. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/296">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► Well maybe it wasn't just me because I think her students were doing it too to John's point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/299">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► But the plane is kind mouse game for first several months trying to get Aaron access to not just regular things like G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/303">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► Mail these weren't nefarious things. But eventually it ended up that the overlords one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/310">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► And they just allowed the teachers to have a little bit more math. More access. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/316">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► Yeah I mean anyone who's ever worked with one of these content filters and try to get any work done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/321">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► Has usually aren't a problem like this where like a stance a bully it's a good idea to help keep you working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/327">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► and keep you on track and there are situations where that work somewhere that has been successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/332">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► but there's also a lot of situations where like the filter is actually keeping people from. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/336">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► Not only doing harmless things like checking their G. Mail every once in awhile a work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/342">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► But also actually keeping them from doing their jobs properly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/346">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► Like if you have to be researching things on the internet for as part of your job or looking applying for a paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/348">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► and some of these A so many sites are blocked and they it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/353">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► It's there are so many situations where these content filters are actively harmful to what's trying to get done in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/355">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► office. That they're trying to protect. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/361">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► It's absolutely true and in errands case there were a lot of You Tube videos that she would use during classes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/364">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► About all sorts of various and different things. Aaron was a high school biology teacher. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/371">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► And she couldn't even do that for the longest time because You Tube was carte blanche filtered entirely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/375">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► And again you know over time the teachers got more access than she could do this again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/382">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► but your point is absolutely right Marco that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/386">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► It's not always about nefarious things it's not always about slacking off sometimes it's really justifiable use but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/389">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► when the. The thing that's preventing you access is completely algorithmic and not like curated or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/395">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► Yeah I mean You Tube is a massive resource for teachers like that cannot be overstated like You Tube is an incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/404">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► resource for teachers. And moving on to other follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/410">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► I should sort of kind of apologize to Marco in that I lead you astray. Last episode. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/414">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► With regard to your question about well could I just do my feet polar which will hopefully talk about a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/422">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► later. Could I just do that in C. Sharp and I said when a going after run all by S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/427">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► and All of a speed and then blah blah blah it's really not worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/432">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► and Frank Kruger pointed out some me that I think it's called S.P. Net. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/434">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► The next or something like that that's probably wrong to don't email me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/439">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► But anyway the upcoming or currently out I guess version of S.P. Down at they actually have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/443">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► I guess it's binary for all sorts different platforms. And so you wouldn't necessarily need to run the full stack on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/448">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► You know some D.P.S. Somewhere. And the other thing I didn't consider days you probably wouldn't need I-S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/456">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► Anyway you can. You could just write a console app that in turn reaches out to the Internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/461">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► But if you're calling it locally or. You know via some some end point locally. You may not even need I-S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/466">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► It all and I know this is kind of irrelevant but for the three. S.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/473">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► Dot net developers that are listening my apologies to you for leading Marco astray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/477">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► and Marco should you ever decide to give up on your beloved go feed crawl or sink or whatever guy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/482">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► Let me know when all such up with some C. Sharp stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/489">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► Not see what you missed your chance this is your one window behind me to learn a new language once a decade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/491">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► and this is this is your one window that you could have gotten me to try a Microsoft language note. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/497">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► Not going to do it I know it's all over. I quit. It's all your fault. Don't think that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/501">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► I don't think that it was the right answer for you for this particular problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/506">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► but I stand by that if you ever for some whatever reason. How to chance to really learn C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/509">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► Sharp I really do you think you'd like it a lot but at this point I honestly don't know why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/515">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► Why you would try it like leave aside my own allegiances I don't think it makes sense for you at all but anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/519">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► You could have. If I hadn't failed you miserably. And that kind of segues into. You. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/525">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► Why don't you tell us a quick update on your feed poll Are you a tweeted a day or two ago now that you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/531">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► Deployed to go feed polar this morning whatever that day was a few hours later I was able to confidently reduce the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/537">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► number of overcast V P S's. From thirteen to five. That's incredible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/543">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► Yep that's right and I think I can even get to go down to four but it be cutting it a little bit closer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/548">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► Probably not going to do it. But yes so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/552">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► Last week I believe my status last week was I had written my ten lines of go code so I really didn't have anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/556">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► going right is that true. That's about right if my. If my memory is correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/561">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► So I've been I've been trying it for about a week and I really like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/565">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► There's not much more to say I'm using it right now it is it is currently running on overcast it has replaced the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/568">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► P.H.P. Feed crawler So it hasn't replaced all the P.H.P. Feed processing. It has only done like the front end stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/574">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► Of. Now P.H.P. Is no longer making network requests. So it's no longer waiting around for network requests. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/582">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► With all this process of nothing to do whaling around for curls so that is all now on go. Go is now fetching the pages. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/589">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► Every X. Seconds or whatever. And you know depending on certain conditions of hens and subscriber count. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/597">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► Latest error in any way. Fetches fetches all the feeds. And then when it finds a changed feed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/602">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► It's stuff that feed into Read us. And a veggie P.H.P. Worker processes. Crawl that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/609">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► So before I said it was two hundred forty. P.H.P. Processes that were doing all the crawling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/615">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► Now it is one go process and eight P.H.P. Processes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/620">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► And I probably don't even need those eight but I will see what happens there I bet I can get away with four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/625">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► but I probably just leave it at a just to have some headroom if there's like a bunch of. If there's a burst of updates. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/629">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► And that's roughly it so far. I like the language a lot now if neither of you two have done anything with it right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/634">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► I have not. Nope. So it does. I mean obviously I am not one to learn new languages frequently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/641">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► Looking at the landscape today the reason I chose go after after kind of running from note [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/650">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► and by the way we heard from a lot of people about node. Trying to fix. Fix my memory leak and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/655">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► There's a there's a bunch of nuance to how you call set Timeout. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/662">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► And what variables are in scope and whether you use a closure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/665">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► or what you know what we're at whether you respond to a variable to all these little nuances. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/670">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► I have no doubt that the right person could look at this code and fix it for me. But as I said last week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/674">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► You know no does it just doesn't fit me as well as as something I really want to want to invest a lot of time into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/682">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► is not good enough it for me and in other ways besides this way so I lost interest in trying to fix this problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/690">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► Thank you know people I appreciate the week of your support. But please stop even when he correction. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/696">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► Because I've already stopped using the language. I'm sure it's fine for you or Merlin but that's it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/703">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► Looking at everything else was available. I consider other things like you know Java Python. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/709">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► I was going to do a speed internet until case you talked me out of it last week. It's not really true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/714">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► No not if I was it was never under consideration. It might become in the future you know Microsoft. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/719">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► There clearly investing very heavily in debt tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/725">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► and trying to reach out to developers who are not right now Microsoft platforms I'm curious to see what they do in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/728">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► Because one thing that almost all these languages lack is a really nice idea for MAC and or for anything really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/735">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► I'm not entirely sure eclipse qualifies for that statement. No I've never used it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/744">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► But from what I've seen of other people using it it has never been in a never appeared as though I want to use it.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/749">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► I haven't used it in years so I'm admittedly talking a little bit out of turn but any exposure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/757">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► I've had to it in any exposure. I've had to it by way of other people talking about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/763">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► I cannot remember a time anyone said anything positive about Eclipse. So anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/768">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► I would like to have a nice ID You know like I have one for X. Code for my native applications. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/773">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► I've never had one for web apps I have everywhere I have ever written has been written in like a text editor either vi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/780">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► a first or Text Mate later. So I've never had a nice tidy with like code completion and. And you know. Inline error. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/785">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► Description The never and never had that I would love that. Never had that. Never had the luxury of a real debugger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/792">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► Wall writing web apps. That would also be nice. Never had it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/798">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► And with all the new languages that I'm that I've been playing with her that I've been investigating. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/801">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► Almost none of them offer that in a reasonable way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/806">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► So all that being said I might consider Microsoft off in the future depending on the direction they go with their tools. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/808">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► But right now it is not an owners that aeration. I looked at rust. And I looked at go and I read up I didn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/816">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► I didn't actually try writing any code in rust so you know that's a giant. Disclaimer at the beginning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/822">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► Those seem like the two that everyone said Orde with the third option of Python where everyone says heater do isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/829">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► part blankets go to this. Or do it in rust or go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/834">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► There's a lot of debate between Rush people and go people about which one is better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/837">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► And a few people have have tried both and have given given more useful opinions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/842">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► Not a lot of written about it I haven't found a whole lot of posts about those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/847">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► I think rust in the long term will probably be more common. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/851">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► It certainly has a long way to go it's still very much a beta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/856">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► and it shows in a lot of the documentation in the tools and everything it's not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/859">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► It will clearly be a lot better in the future. But rust also seems very much. Very close to swift and C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/864">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► Plus plus style of language preferences which really is not my style. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/871">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► It might become my style later on but it currently isn't just a whole like rusty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/877">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► It just seemed like it added a quite a lot of complexity that I that conflicted with what I actually wanted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/881">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► There are a lot of things about of I like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/887">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► I like the idea of the mutability being part of the language that's of that's a big one. I really. I would love that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/889">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► And I like some of the type tricks you can do. Most of them I wouldn't need. Go is a lot more basic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/895">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► It's a lot smaller of a language. And not to say two hundred danced. But the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/903">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► The things the language will do for you are much more limited. Most of the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/910">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► I fall on the side of the way they did it is one of the reason the chose to move forward with that language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/914">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► Anyway so far. It is really nice. There's. There are parts about it that are weird. It is not like a clear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/919">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► Oh my God this is perfect for every language. I can already tell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/927">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► I'm probably not going to want to be writing the whole but appen this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/931">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► If I was writing a new web app from scratch I would consider it. But it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/935">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► I don't think there's any reason for me to rewrite the whole overcast what happened go. You know just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/940">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► I think I think it's a way for me to get rid of these hot spots. And it's about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/944">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► But there's Or it's a there's a lot to like there I really like it I'm glad I'm trying it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/948">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► And I'm going to keep going with it where it makes sense to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/952">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► So did you use a go routines and channels and everything for your. Yep. For your. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/956">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► You know what he called sort of a vent Looper placement type thing. Yeah. It's entirely their routines and channels. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/961">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► That's good I was best talking about like what the kind of event libraries where you go I knew they had some weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/966">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► concurrency thing but I can remember what it was off the top my head. But that's. I mean for a small language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/970">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► It's kind of a hog that was not odd but like it's this expresses the philosophy of go blind small. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/976">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► It's kind of like see it done better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/982">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► but they determined that that concerns the stuff was important enough to actually add to a language that otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/983">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► being kept very small not says a lot about sort of the intended use of the language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/990">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► And why I think it's probably a good fit for you know Google doing server side stuff and for you doing the polar. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/994">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► Yeah exactly. I mean. I love the concurrency stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/999">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► Somebody I stated earlier this is genius somebody else somebody point actually a number he pointed out on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► earlier that this is not at all new. It's called Is it C.S.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► Concurrent sequential processes I think some way that it's a concurrency model to go uses communicating sequential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► processes that to thank you. Mitchy in the chat. So to me I like this model a lot it is not perfect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► It seems more complicated. Once you get into Iraq as though this is actually really nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► There's a lot of concurrency baggage the usually have to worry about like walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► and threading that you just don't need to really worry about. If you. If you do it the way you're supposed to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► And it's really it's. It's easy to do things like earlier. I added. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► And I for ever since the very beginning I had a limit on how many crawls can be running in parallel at any one time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► and that's very easy to do with channels. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► Just you know earlier tonight I added a second limit to how many per per host you can be running at once why don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► because earlier I crawled like all the feeds to a couple of big hosts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► and got blocked immediately like two thousand connections open one looked at it. So that one out the window. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► But that was really easy to add to like just. It's this quick little you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► Make make a channel for every host and here's an array of channels and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► When he started push one onto it and when you and pop one off of it and here's the buffalo and that's it like it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► It's really for doing stuff like that this. This concurrency model is really nice. It. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► It is and what I like about it is that it is very new it is unlike any concurrency models I've worked with in the past. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► And so it is intellectually stimulating it is educational. And for this task it's really good. So you seem pleased. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► It is it is it does have weirdnesses to it like there are certain things about it I'm just like really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► That like that's what I have to do or you don't support that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► But you know the part of this is just me and the use of language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► Ask me again in six months how it feels like his language. All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1122">TS</a>]
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00:21:26 ◼ ► Note that we really not talking about it because we don't have to we talk about it if you want to mean I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► that much more to say on it as so I wrote this blog post called Apple has lost a functional high ground. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► A title I'm regretting. Because I actually of all the complaints people had about the piece. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► I think the title was was probably the least valid complaint about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► but I don't think the title was that far off the truth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► Can you explain the title to me because that was the part that I was most confused on your post. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► So the title was you know the Apple has lost the functional high ground so this is a play on the concept of the moral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1317">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► high ground. I don't explain I do I know you don't display in the functional I got. So Apple stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► You know it used to be that Apple stuff. Generally by a pretty long shot worked better than P.C. Slash Android. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► Slash other alternatives. You know people through on their. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► The phrase it just works as an article that was never one hundred percent true. But it was generally true it was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► It was the general advantage that Apple's stuff had over their competitors that. It was just work better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► The vast majority of the time. Certain things were more reliable. Simpler more robust cetera and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► So this gave this gave Apple this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► What I consider of the functional high ground in the past of like Apple stuff just work better and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► And it worked so well that I think you could not necessarily hold it over P.C. People but the you knew. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► When you were using an Apple product like. Yeah I got a good one here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► I got the thing that works best in this industry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► I think they're there quality problems over the last few years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► when taken together have ruined this image for to a degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► and so I don't necessarily mean that someone else has become better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► And that's that's an argument Gruber has are going to fewer people brought up. I think you can lose. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► Like if you know what the moral high ground. I think you can lose the moral high ground. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► Even if no one else takes it from you like losing the moral high ground is like you used to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► You know really good morally you have a really good image or have earlier petition and you don't anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► when I said losing the functional high ground what I meant was in that sense of like they used to have a greater petition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► for this. And now they don't. So I think in that way I think the title was actually pretty fair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► What do you think I would have used the word functional. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► Because I think I was was throwing me now hearing your explanation I think my conception of it kept focusing more on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1436">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► the definition of functional maybe I would go with like reliability is not really over go on for it but anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► I probably would have made a high ground knowledge title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► but down to do you explain that I understand what you're getting at that we can go on to the explaining the body of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► your thing because I think. I cut you off with the title part. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► Well but no that wasn't that was important because a lot of people argued about the title. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► And I do think the title was not really the bad part. You know that the part that I regret. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► Was the overall I'd maybe sensational maybe alarmist I don't know how to say it. So. So the post was basically saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► Apple stuff doesn't work very well anymore. I think the problem is the problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► You know I saw their hardware quality is fantastic recently with their software quality is really not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► And every July I said it's taken a nosedive. That was. That's the word I regret the most because that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► That kind of that that suggests the wrong. Excel or ation rate or trajectory of of the decline. Like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► I think Apple software is on a steady decline. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► And it's been going that way for a while a nosedive is like a sudden drop. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► You know precariously you know perceptively whatever the right word of a sudden rapidly tolerating drop. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► I don't think that is what's happening. I think it's been a slow decline. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► And there's no signs of a turning around really definitely is a slow decline of their software quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► and part of it is services quality worked in with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► but I allot of it really just the software itself at the local software running on the on the on the machines which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► really unfortunate. And so you know a few of the words like I said. I said riddled with bugs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► I don't think it's riddled with bugs. It has bugs you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► There are certain words that are more severe than the need to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► But overall I stand by the the message that I was saying which is this stuff is not working as well as it used to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► you know. Now we need to be very cautious when we install updates. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► And the fact is it used to be better and that worries me. My theory is that marketing priorities and again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► It's important to point out the a fine distinction here. Not the marketing department. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► As some sites quoted as which I never said. Marketing priorities. At Apple. Seem to be dictating that the software. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► Must keep pace with the annual hardware releases. Or that there must be an annual software release. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► That has marketing value that helps the product with with cross marketing between different you know between the max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► and new i Phones come out of also all these new all these new software he believes that go along with brand new i OS X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► and That was X. Meaning like energy or not not mispronouncing ten. With zero S. Ten. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► My my opinion is that Apple quality has gone downhill in the last few years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► And they should they shouldn't be keeping up with this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► Like artificial and you will release schedule for major O.S.'s because that is just not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► It's not producing good quality software you know it used to be like the. The ten point. X. Point zero. Releases. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► Although we have to like you know ten point X. Point three or four were sometimes on stable or at least had some bugs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► Usually by the time you got to like ten point six point four five. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► It was pretty rock solid you could pretty much depend on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► and then you know they were with some of the previous releases they would get all the way up to like you know Ted point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► Because they were just around for longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► and so by the time like so there'd be a couple of months of instability at the beginning of a new US release. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► But then a few months in like you were fine and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► It was rock stable fight the next eighteen months before there was really a new one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► And now it seems like we're always using a one point zero or one point one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► Like every release that we're using from Apple because they're the major of nature moving so quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► and get so many changes and each one. It's like. It's not like we're always using a beta. But it's close. It's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► It's like we're always using a point zero or zero point one and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► and one of the errors I made was I didn't actually list any of those ways in this post but it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► It's almost there's too many to list. Glenn Pfeiffer murder really article today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► He actually solicited people from Twitter that you know. Tell him like make me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► Make me a list tell me all of things that are common problems for everybody. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► And he puts it a good thing I'll put in the show notes and. It's hard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► There isn't like a one thing you know if somebody. If somebody asked me like a what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► What one thing he's working on or you know one thing. Needs to be improved here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► There is no one thing there are a million. Tiny things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► And a few big things that just don't work very well or have bugs sometimes and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► I don't you can't tell it's hard to tell if Apple. Think this is a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1735">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► Or if they think the course they're on is OK. I remember when I talked about first of all. And I say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► This is a bit interesting demonstration there's between pod casting and blocking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► Because we have all three of us talked about all these things for like what is it over a year now I can see you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► is not as if this is a sudden realization the market woke up one day and said My God I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► But when Mark says it on the podcast or with him progress nobody here that boat gets written down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► and you know it's part of his just like luck of the draw of like having to catch on and go viral or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► but it is interesting to me that like if someone as a regular listener to the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► and reads that blog post to be like Yeah I've heard Marcus said a million times. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► And so it's not it's not like a revelation but then suddenly you know I think that's that's a thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► I wasn't saying anything that I thought was particularly noteworthy like or original. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► It was almost like like those kind of things like this goes two ways both of us do this day and. Well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► Back when I used to blog in cases like two ways where sometimes you know write something up on your site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► And then you'll talk about it on the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► and sometimes we'll talk about something on the podcast then after the body guess you'll sort of write up a centrally a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► more coherent summary of what was discussed in this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► Definitely felt like you know after talking about this for weeks or months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► or whatever you call it was time for a blog post about it and you more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► or less summarize all of things that you'd said on on past August or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► and I just felt like that thing you do where like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► Sometimes it comes or is in the pocket some kind sourcing of like well talk about the matter stuff later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► but I just I just thought that was interesting. And speaking of podcasts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► One of the things that people read that reminded me that existed because I'm old Never again I was hyper critical I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► Region of pain which was back around the mountain lion talking about a mountain lion and maybe at the announcement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► or talking about him or view. The title comes from the idea that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► Marco just articulated which is with yearly releases of my. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► What my word on that show was is the always going to have enough time to mature because the point I was there always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► crap. Right and then. Point one point two is like it takes a while to settle down. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► And if you're going to happen. They're going to happen every year. It does do yearly releases. Give the O.-S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► Enough time to settle down or are we always going to be in what I call the region of pain because it's always crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► when THE POINT all comes out like no matter how long they hold it like you just you know it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► And is always some instability. Sometimes long sometimes short. That was in two thousand and twelve. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► The beginning of two thousand and twelve. At this point. I would say that we know for zero S. Ten. That the O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► Does get out of the region of pain because we do reach the point four point five. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► But what Marco's thing was talking about is. All right we exit the region of pain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► How long do we get in the nice part before it's not like they're run into each other it's not like it just bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► or not because Mavericks was not just like a total disaster right before you know seventy came out at least for most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► people I mean there are exceptions people that rise since I know this feature X. Never worked on Mavericks or my G.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► Always kernel back on Mavericks or whatever like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► That is true and that has always happened and that's unfortunate but for most people like Mavericks had settled down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1915">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► But how long did you get with the sell down Mavericks was it was it the majority of the year. Definitely not right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► Was it. Less than half a year with a one month to month right. And that I think. When I'm looking at this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► You know we've talked all the things before. The the change for Teague. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► Not just the bugs we take the bug to going but also the change for T. As in even if everything works perfectly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► I don't know if I'm ready for everything to change how it works again like not everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► but you know people who don't want to tie a change like the change for to combine with the sure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► Very short periods of role of stability and calm. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► That I think more than like the quality of the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► or any kind of metric you could put on it like number above Exe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► In the point releases or number of bugs enough on releases or severity of bugs or anything like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► I think that more than anything. Characterizes the dissatisfaction I've heard from a lot of people about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► Apple is that. Especially on the Mac. I want to talk about Iowa separate but the mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► Is different because on the mac I think the third thing that comes into the into this equation of change are to ignite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► and at appears to belittle also the final question is Who are you chasing Who are you chasing with the Yearly Kos ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► updates like why you feel like. All right. Android Samsung. You've got people bring down your neck. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► It's an exploding market. It's super competitive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► You've got to do what you got to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► and that's that's the marketing parties that are there was talking about it for the macro it's like yearly releases. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► Fine I think they prove they can pull off we can make yearly releases each ones have interesting features they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► eventually settle down to civility like they can do it. But the cost is like a lease half the year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► You're dealing with like a baby O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► That has a bunch of bugs then you get a period stability and as soon as everything's OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► Here comes the new one and like they can do it they can get them out on time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► They're not they're not like I was tied to hardware like they just basically well you know Sammy's not ready we're to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► shut that later like it's not like there's a yearly update of Macs of the trying to sync with you know so it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► not exactly tied to that it's just that like. It's almost like a corporate stunts like not. Not like a you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► Our organization is so well we can revise in release yearly updates to a massive you know consumer operating system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► Yes you can. And you can get it done. And during the course of its life it will settle down to stability. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► But it still may be too much like it still may be like why why do you think we need a new one of these every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► year. We would prefer to have an entire year of boringness instead of four months of boring us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► and I wrote a small kind of response post to Marco's post which is mostly irrelevant except that a few people emailed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► And I don't have the amount from me something on lines of Well it's really the yearly thing that's the problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► Or is it that there's so much stuff in each release new stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► In each release and I think that's a fair point that you could argue that you could. You could just put less. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► In each of these releases but potentially keep this super aggressive yearly cycle but I don't just seems to me that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► That's not really the choice that Apple would make is just have like one marquee feature in the rest of the new S.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► Otherwise on remarkable. And the other thing I'd like to point out is friend of the show Ben Thompson in the chat says. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► The problem is that Apple needs to be rate faster on the cloud stuff and slower on the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► but by keeping them all linked together they're making both worst cloud is still too slow software is now too fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► and I think that's a really steep oint that we really could use a lot of help on the Services side although again we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► definitely need some help on the desktop side as well. And just keeping keeping the desktop. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► And the and the mobile operating systems inextricably linked like Apple is it just seems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2152">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► It seems like it's kind of tough to keep everything moving. Effectively that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► Now what I'd be curious to hear you guys is take on is a lot of people said well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► They OK let's assume that Apple says well the hell with yearly releases. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► What happens for things like continuity that really are integrating. Both the desktop and the end I.O.'s. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► Wouldn't she want them to happen simultaneously Now the comedy of this question is that I believe pieces of continuity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► did not happen simultaneously in there ARE point releases to Yosemite to enable it but I don't like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► Doesn't it kind of make sense to have everything packaged together at the same moment in time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► Well for certain things yes but. Hey I don't think those things should really come up every year as you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► Big things that require this massive cordon ation between all the O S's I don't think should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► or will come of every year and be. You have to ask. At what cost. So you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► Would you drive a car that had really great features added to it every day but occasionally explode like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► There's certain things that just like are not worth it you know and what. What I think has has really shaken. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► A lot of my faith and Apple software quality recently. Is is not like oh this button looks weird. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► Every so often it's like basic stuff that I that I take for granted as like this always works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► Doesn't work anymore or works or radically like one of my biggest complaints with your Samedi is with networking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► Issues. Usually with network discovery of resources or connectivity to network resources to local network resources. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► There's something about the way they revert discovery due to to enable continuity slash airdrop whatever whatever it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► It has made it extremely unreliable for things like network shares network printers to fight that we would have made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► fun of Windows people so badly. Beef. If their network shares or disappeared. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► You know every so often and or they had sixteen copies of the same computer on the network and like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2276">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► These are issues that we have on your Samedi every day that are widespread issues lots of people have these issues. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► And it's like this is the basics. The basics are messed up now. You know the O.-S. Isn't crashing for most people like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► We're not getting kernel panics. Fortunately. But you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► We are having a lot of weird little behaviors like that that just just things that seem basic similar to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► when I.O.'s broke. Touch ID and phone calls. Like you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► and whatever the cause of that was that there was a you know delivery issue where I don't I don't care what the cause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► was the fact is like. You can't trust the basics anymore like that that I think is is scary and it. That's the kind of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► That's what I'm talking about I'm talking about Apple losing repeat Haitian from this is like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► You know nobody cares if things. You know don't quite look right or have some brand new feature. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► Doesn't quite work immediately like healthcare launched. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► It apparently I don't know much about I have I don't try to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► but apparently the condition of health kit at launch was a complete disaster. I don't know if it sticks and then. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► But it was like it was. It basically launch like not working at all if you didn't Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► I remember the head of just all the apps for it and hold and delay them anyway. Big disaster will help get. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► That's less of it that's embarrassing. Certainly. But that's less important than. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► If you break a fundamental things like if if a new thing you promised isn't quite here yet like the the mac Photos app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► isn't here yet they promised. That's not that big of a deal. Like the stuff we've been using before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► Will continue to work for a while like it. We're not losing functionality by that being late. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► But if they ship the photos thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► And it was horrible and all of a sudden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► and it took over like the way it the back hard drive like migrate player stuff over and you can't go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► and all of a sudden like every so often you just lose a random photo. Like if it was busting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2394">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► I can't mess with the basics and. The problem is that even the basics now. Get messed with on a high in a frequency. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► Big updates that the fundamentals are shaky now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► and that's really that's unsettling in actually assessing I didn't talk about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► when I was discussing earlier I said a lot of people feel that the quality is decline but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► when I take my personal assessment of where the quality is declined. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► I think it comes just from having a longer view and having lived through lots of different cycles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► and having lived through. Times when it was way way worse. Like before I stand with you guys might not remember. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► I don't really think that things are worse now than they had ever been or that there's actually been a decline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► and not to say that I disagree with the sentiment of your post because I think it is a good senator. I you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► I endorse the sentiment except for it like it doesn't hinge on this being a new low. It merely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► It merely hinges on the idea that you think the current situation is not acceptable which I agree with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► And it's not acceptable because the apple today is not the apple that it was before the context is different they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► more platforms they have different platforms their platforms that are more why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► It's spread we use computers more often so on and so forth so I don't think the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► There has been a decline in quality or any of the things you said about basic features not working it's like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► but I think it should change because the context in which Apple is running its business and deploying its products. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► Is very different today and the one place where I would say things are slowly getting worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► Overall I don't think they are because I got bills been doing better in lots of areas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► but the one area where there are definite doing worse is as Apple again goes be a repeat of anyone's list of the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► for any length of time sort of a million times there we go again. As Apple products. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► and more network functionality as that becomes a larger percentage of what you do with your phone with your with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► know it basically as i Cloud becomes more integrated as. As more of the network services. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► Stuff becomes part of Apple's products. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► Apple has not been getting better at that stuff fast enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► and it's becoming a larger percentage of their product therefore it's dragging down the average. Because whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► You know whatever product or technology you have does it involve cloud crap. Up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► Well now you know it's like it's they can classes bringing down the average of bed test grades right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► And every single one of their products. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► Now has either a small cloud component or a big con component [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► or like it the whole friggin thing is a lot of components of that cloud part doesn't work it doesn't matter how good to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► be all right the caller on the client side. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► If the server side is falling over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► and this is the type of thing they can get huge all Mike on the basics are anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► and so for example earlier this week no I said my contacts aren't sinking anymore I had a contact on my new i Pad Air. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► I had it like a week ago it's still not on my mac are on the i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► and everything without correctly all know say my cot account nothing has changed everything is all think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► everyone's all logged in there's no errors or anything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► and I'm so now looking at here on the i Pad change the street address. Here it as the i Phone in the mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► It's not change and you just stare at me like why. Why is this a problem is the biggest owner of buggy clients offer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► Almost certainly not right. It's but then you perceive this as. All my god the basics aren't working anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► Because cloud functionality is now a basic it's something like you just expect I like my contacts are also going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► cause everything that's the bar now and. Apple has really bad at that part of doing its products. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► And it's really bad at making a situation where you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► but like what I've been doing that situation you know I did a little dense that everybody does you just like sign out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► of i Cloud turn contacts off turn contacts back on add a new contact. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► You know just to see if it's sinking you know it like delete all i Cloud a different account sign.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► Signed Bulliet of I caught in a delete a million photos from a shared photo stream so i Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► Turn it back on a much a grind for three hours loading those photos back in you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► You'll eventually start singing again then you can. You know like it's just this dance that you do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► And that infuriates be able so that part of Apple's products I think is getting better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► Only because the percentage of cloudy stuff in software has been going up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2636">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► and Apple has Apple's ability to do cloud East. Well if not you know up and going up. No question there services. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► Still need work you know they've always that they've always been you know mediocre at that most of the service stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► but they and they still need work but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► Most of the problems that I'm complaining about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► and I've been seeing over the last couple years actually aren't because of the services like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► Even the local client side software is problematic in the last few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► but I think that's basically better than it has been in recent years resident worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► Solve all the things you've complained about I think back to the disaster is that where the early versions of Tiger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► or leopard unlike you don't know for not working that working you know from beach ball. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► Finder let me tell you it was you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► It was dire and I can just forget about classic megalithic that was a total mess in the later years of its life. So. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► And a lot of the times. There. If you can fault them for one of things they've done in recent releases. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► One place I would say you could fault them for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► and I just saw Greyhawk American plan about this today is where they do a feature. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► That seems like it's not like a marketing feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► but it's a feature they can put on a box that is a perfectly good feature to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► but that almost nobody is willing to accept the restack during needed to implement the features of one of the example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► was like tags which detailed and whatever but did that come out and like a mountain lion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► or something talk about the implication of tags and how is this crazy hack based on the label thing all the stuff like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► All right fine if you're not can use tags so what it does look like is a big deal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► It doesn't seem like it would impact anything it's like you're just piggybacking on existing crazy Echaveste plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► meditate and is all these weird bugs about it but if I don't use tax doesn't affect me right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► Well apparently the something having to do with network shares where it makes a tag queer. Request There. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► Something and that hangs like it hangs the whole thing and you get a beach ball in the Finder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► and Elvis on people who don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► and don't care about tags are getting a worse experience in the Finder for a teacher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► or a feature they didn't even care about that type of thing is like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► That's an engineering thing where you have to decide. It's OK to have new features. But we really have to balance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► Like does a new feature require like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2757">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► and by the way now just every time I bring them that we're share we have to do this other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► and it had blocks like it's a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► I don't know how you there that's that's that's a type of thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► when you're planning the future for an ass you really have to talk about and say this is a great feature. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► We've wanted this for a long time I think it'll be interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► It's a good bullet point to add to the bottom not exist in box will do slides about it and and have a nice demo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► Oh and by the way does this potentially compromise any basic functionality that everybody needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► and if the answer to that is yes really think real long and hard about the tradeoffs there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► That is the closest I think I can get to saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► Like a sort of potentially marketing driven decision that has led to sort of unacceptable instability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► and basic functionality and a lot of the historic things have meant like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► We want to add some minor feature but it means totally refactoring this. The subsystem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► And sometimes it's like oh that's bad because it's going to cause bugs BUT example of the good is like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► I think in Yosemite they totally read it I can service has and it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► Desperately needed to be redone because for years that have been these icon services bugs the cause of all my company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► pixilated and there was no way out of any just trying to purge and caches and restarting and eventually would go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► or maybe not. That's what have a thing where it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► It really important to fix the bug that's cosmetic it's not a big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► but the fix that we had to rewrite the entire icon services thing will eventually got it eventually got to get around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► and I'm glad they did get around to it so I don't want to be afraid to do that until like three just like oh we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► change anything we can't anything that we're you know Discovery Day. That would mean totally changing discovered. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► To do continuity. I don't think that in and of itself is a bad thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► But again if that means for people learning a new continuity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► Because discovery does the other jobs as well a compromise then you've got to be really careful by you make those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► You know I'd like to go back a step though and in you were saying well it was much worse early on you know. In gosh. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► Classic macro S. Was ridiculous with stability. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► But the problem I have with what you're saying even though it's surely correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► Is that there's so many new mac users not even count myself in that category I mean I came to to the Macin two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► and six thousand and eight some like I don't remember. But for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► Even in my short almost instant testimony small tenure as a mac user as compared to you John. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► I can tell you that just my feeling of the quality of less ten releases. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► Is exactly what we're really all of us are saying is that with each with each new release I feel like it's getting kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► not from your but more fragile. Bunch of thank you guys you two are just traveling. The the curve of your apple usage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► What I mean like sort of like you know. Curiosity excitement. Marriage honeymoon period. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► I don't know you know you know me like that like they don't want to talk about a cycle was he a veteran for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► you've gone through that's like like seven times already and I think collectively. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► Because like the mac used to be like this exclusive thing that now a lot of people had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► and we all loved it it was great and then there was the honeymoon period and things started to get a gram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► and then it's like oh maybe System seven brings us new life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► and then Windows ninety five game was like that was our hitting bottom you know it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► We've gone through the cycle helped as it was small but the. The huge influx of Apple customers now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► There's a whole it's kind of like the baby boom there's a whole generation of Apple users. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► Most of whom came on board either because the i Phone or the i Pod. Who are getting into the Apple stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► And who have gone through their excitement and their courtship and their marriage in their honeymoon period. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► And are now kind of settling into bickering old middle age. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► And it's not this is not that this is a cycle of Apple's products and services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► but it's a cycle of a specific cohort of their customers. Because of the huge growth they've had in recent years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► And that cohort. Is coming into their. You know I'm no longer impressed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► More than I'm dissatisfied like that I take everything that works I've taken for granted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► and anytime something that didn't work starts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► Did Work starts and not work and I perceive that as a decline in quality and I'm angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► and so again I don't think like this perception is wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► and they should be talked out of it I think in the context of this massive customer base they have now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► Apple has to do about it they absolutely have to. They have to realize that it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► You know you can't rely on the honeymoon period you have to actually satisfy the customer that you have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► Congratulations you've got all these customers it's a lot i Phones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► Now you're selling more Macs and i Pads stuff like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► This is their responsibility to fix it so I'm not I'm not saying this as a defense of the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► and saying that he understands that absolutely do need to change it but from my view. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► You know with the long view I think these the quality things go in cycles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► and there are aspects that need to be addressed. The cloud stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► Thinking hard about the release like on stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► but I'm not convinced that empirically in anything that you can actually measure you could say that the quality really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► And I may be just an academic point like us why haven't bothered blogging about this does not like I'll point I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► argue because it does in the end it doesn't matter if it's worth all of mattresses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► What the perception is of the customers that you have now and if they're all in the bickering. Middle age period. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► You've got to deal with that you gotta make approx better and the and I think they should be better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► Like why shouldn't you have the problem is that you're saying that we're all in the bickering middle age period maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► Mark when I are cuz I mean he beat me to the mat by three or four years I think but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► But even new customers and I I can think of a great example but I am extraordinary I know I have friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► and family members that have come to the MAC much more recently than I only in the last couple years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► and even some that haven't gotten Macs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► but we're thinking about it that are all real I don't know about this anymore because of heard some bad things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► and I've heard that things are going so well that. That's like when the baby boomers like whatever the baby boom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► or what they feel like influences the larger society because they are the largest group of people like they influence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► the others so this huge group of existing Apple customers who is now becoming dissatisfied. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► Influence all the people who are interested because all the hear from all the people who are they know who are in this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► You know you're likely to know a baby boomer because a lot of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► And you're likely to know one of these mac users or Apple users who's a kind of on the downswing and dissatisfaction. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► And what you're going to hear from them is like oh. Things are worse now it's crappy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3116">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► I don't like it you know I mean like it's the. It's a network effect type of thing like X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► And the cycle who are not completely in lockstep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► but it's like waves of people in the influence other people in articles like this and you know the cycle of the ME [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► and stuff like that again I don't think that that particularly matters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► Because the bottom line is they do have quality problems they do need to address they do need to do better because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► You can't rely on them all to be like Oh gee whiz Apple stuff is so shiny and I love it so much because that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► That is not sustainable sustainable if you have to do the hard stuff and be reliable and be consistent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► and figure out how to give new features. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► Without compromising stability figure out what you really schedules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► and figure out how to do this cloud stuff more reliably. Well. So first of all let me go back a minute. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► I've been using the Apple. Ecosystem. Starting out with Macs first and then eventually I.O.'s things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► For actually slightly longer than I ever used P.C.'s. So I were slightly past my twenty year mark of use of computers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3172">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► And it's basically like literally ten years in I switched. So I'm about six months past. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► My twenty year marks I've been using Windows. I use Windows the full time for ten years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► And then I'm using Apple stuff full time for ten and a half years now and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► So I think I'm past the point or I mean I guess I can always get older. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► But I think of has the point where this could just be like me having a bad memory of things I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► but I think one of the things that exacerbates this feeling of things getting worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► Is that there's so much more that these devices do first of all there's more devices and that's that's a big one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► That's And. So let's say ninety nine point five percent of the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► Things work the way they should and zero point five percent have some kind of bug or failure or doesn't or crash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► or you know some something that something goes wrong. Point five down the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► Every every device uses that you have like every time you take your phone in your pocket to use it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► You're doing that like a hundred times a day. Right. People measured at the law. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► That was the one I was thinking about the products that Apple sells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► and customers that they have into the fact that the we use the computer is more like. It is numerically more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► But like press. Percentage wise like they're not producing more bugs per line of code or. You know whatever is just a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► It will use it more often and I should also emphasize I haven't seen this chat room yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► but I realize I'm thinking of the bag mad I'm talking almost entirely about the Maquis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► or because we're talking about you. Samedi and I was ten in the release schedule. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► I.O.'s I will absolutely stipulate that I was seven eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► or more worse quality wise than the proceeding with absolutely. I think that it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► I don't think anyone's arguing that as a reason having a debate about the mac yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► and I mean I can tell you to really working with a lot of these new A.P.I. Is that are added in seven eight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► There's a lot of bugs that are just A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► but It's like they're just bugs in the shipping version that your app has to work around in a lot of the new features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► like ADD and a lot of old features that get rebirth and after they've been fixed and O. S. Bugs like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► How many times that like. It just takes out the whole S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► Like that isn't that was not an i OS experience in the past now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► To give I us some credit like the changes and they are perhaps the most significant changes dial us in a long time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► But for I was you have a much stronger argument that numerically I can show you that the quality of Iowa seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► And I can show you that and I can strongly argue that the absolutely lockstep hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► and software release schedule of i OS is puts the software team in a very difficult position in terms of quality if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► you're going to try to do yearly releases. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► And it has to come out of the ones you know what I think about with the phones. Let me show you a pie chart of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► I OS device profits in Apple's revenue like it's. That's the entire freaking company now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► The MAC gets the luxury of not being white is locked into that although I us in the back are sort of moving. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► Had together now. But the not get to be like you go ahead i Phone six. Yeah I'll be I'll be there in a minute. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► Like now we don't have to release its find you will just release the next with the old version of the O.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3357">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► The boots like are we just hold the next back nobody cares man nobody cares about the IMAX become a when it's ready. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► And so that's why mostly focusing on the mac at IO as I would definitely stipulate I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► Copy and paste all those and worked for me sometimes and I know some of them tell me that doesn't work for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► and use them as well but like there actually is a longstanding pasteboard bug that I had every cell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► That's been in America less dense and I started using a. So like and I us though. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► Like we've all used every version of violence like we've all been there from the beginning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► And we can say you know there there were bumps in the road but seven hundred eight is a definitely downward bump. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► And that's our recent history for the past two years. Yeah. And it again it just it seems like C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► Because because everything is so much more complicated now and there's so much more of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► Those those little point five percent of things going wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► They don't add they multiply like the chances of you running into something going wrong are wrong any given day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► Is multiplied by all those factors. And the clouds up at the cloud of the multiplying factor to. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► It's behind everything and it's between them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► and like you know getting all the continuity in the air drop stuff to work. Throwing a watch. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► And the problem I see like right now today. I get my work done. It's usually not a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► But the rate of failures does seem to be going up and the the biggest problem I see is not you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► Everybody has a bad release every so often even big companies like Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► They're not gonna get everything perfect every time that's fine but is there a sign of things getting better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► and that's where I'm really scared is I don't see it. Well it's more than that right it's not only. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► There's no sign of things getting better but the engineering talent is getting spread even more thin. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► In that in that you know now we have a watch coming. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► And that's a whole nother platform with a whole nother series of A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► Is that that somebody is going to have to write and. Even if it turns out that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► They've hired a bunch of engineers well. Are they as good as the engineers that exist are they worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3476">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► Name may even be better but they certainly won't be as entrenched in the Apple way. So yeah the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► I think you're right Marco that we haven't seen any indication or get better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► and we have plenty of ways that it could get worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► and I'd like to hear what you job say about that we should really talk about something cool. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► My part of this I think you know I posted the follow up post saying how much I regret publishing that post. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► I regret having published the post. Not because it was complaining about Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► But because I just didn't do very good job writing it. I don't regret complaining about Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► I think these complaints were valid or need to be made need to be made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► and one of the reasons why the post spread so incredibly quickly and far and wide. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► Is because there's so much agreement out there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► And you know once I got to that to the major media that was all sensationalism for the most part but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► when it spread around the community first. Which it did first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► That was because people feel this that this is this is a thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► So I only regret not having done a very good job writing it. And you know some poor word choice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► Choices here and there. I don't at all regret making the complaint. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3547">TS</a>]
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01:00:39 ◼ ► I think I have more than half of my name's there now they're still a couple it already started at that I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► should move over and if you do choose to move them over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► They have a value transfer service where they will at at your discretion if you want them to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► You can give them your log in to your old registrars and they will log into and do the whole transfers themselves. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► For free. They also have great support now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► If you can you can look up stuff online obviously don't have like you know a live chat online they have knowledge bases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► and help documents the fight that but they also during business hours. Have phone support. With this crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► No hold no wait no trans. For phone policy so you call the number. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► And some nice people in Canada because that's where they are. Answer the phone. Who can help you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► You don't have to wait and hold. You want to go if there were men you like literally a person picks up the phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► And they can help you. It's amazing. So check out however it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► There they are a domain registrar that is good and that. That is so sadly rare. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► But fortunately you can stop looking because here's one I use it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3694">TS</a>]
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01:01:46 ◼ ► While use promo code high ground for ten percent off your first purchase. Thank you very much to hover. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► For sponsoring our show once again. I want something better that I wrote would have gotten that popular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► That's that's the regret is like something Iraq up top of that isn't very good. If you want to go a medal like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► but it's the problem with our show IT system is I don't think global docs like keep history forever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► Like we delete stuff when we're done with it rather than like making a document so mad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► but anyway there was an item in the show notes where you wrote a post. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► Many weeks ago and I put I put it into the show it's because I want to talk about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► And you put a no bias that you said I don't think it's interesting I don't want to talk about it I mention you deleted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► from the notes. And don't remember what it was The Remember I'm talking about Margo. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► That describes many things there and I think it was about one of it was about one of your posts on market are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► and the reason I put it in the notes was not to talk about the content of the post. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► But to talk about like this post is why people get angry you Marco. Because there was a great example. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► It was a great example of you posting something that me reading it I knew exactly what you meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► and it stopped again so that you had said a million times in the pod gas and it's just like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► This is not shocking your revolutionary day but he listens to the shower knows you are both. And yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3773">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► Like you know just blank without knowing and it without having any context I would have read it and gotten angry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► And then it's all about just like word choice in tone and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► and you talked about those in your thing it's like you regret using a particular word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► or you can break a phrase you don't feel like you want to write everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► Where you're writing your constant thing where people are going to say and they like your writing defensively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► and you're second guessing yourself and all that other stuff and that's what I want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► when we did that both and maybe if we did that maybe even years ago arbiter in this post anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► or maybe you were thought of ahead of me writing this thing and. Because that's. I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► The negative part of the part I think you've articulated well a lot of people talk about it like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► You don't want that feeling where you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► You're They're afraid to write something or when you're writing it you're like defending. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► You're defending things like your. You're defending yourself or imagined attackers as you're writing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► Right because that doesn't feel like good and you should be like Jimmy just say what I'm going to say. But I think the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► The flipside of that and something that you get if you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► If you care deeply about these things which you clearly do you know like. If you care at all about what you write and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► You know better in yourself I'm becoming a better writer and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► You know this up is that some people don't some people just writes In Session. Sensational B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► You feel like a slave like a baby. And I don't care that they are just like riled the bunch of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► I can tell you quite a few of them right now. You are not like that at all right. And you learn MY And so for all like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► For all the years writing a left hander is everything especially in the beginning when people thought I was a lousy P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► User didn't know anything about Macs and I just try to mak ones I wouldn't hate them so much like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► It trains you like the. The lesser light side of that defensiveness is. You get very good at reading a sentence. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► As it exists not as you want to be and making sure that your specific word choices. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► Are you can defend them if challenge because you picked exactly the right word for what you meant and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► The second of all that I can I pick a word that will help me to help me to not be misunderstood sometimes that's harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3895">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► to do and sometimes like you know what I use the correct word if they can't figure it out explain to them after this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► but I always like what I was WANT TO DO WITH MY ALL the last ten reviews. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► And my current ones that matter is if someone hasn't complained about something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► I want to be able to answer them by merely copying and pasting the sentence from the thing I wrote to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► You read the sentence again because it contains the words in the correct order to express the answered your question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► and yet you seem to have glossed over it right. Like where they where they read what they wanted to hear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► And you get into trouble when you pick a word that expresses your feeling at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► but if you were to read the sentence you like you know what I would actually like The knows that I think you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► choose a different word but when you wrote it. Like oh that's that's the word for how feeling now. But if you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► If you take. You would never take the that sends back and pasted to somebody say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► As a defense in fact you would look at and say Oh. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► Actually that's not there it was not precisely what I meant that sort of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► Some people call like loyally like word choice or whatever like it sounds boring and it sounds crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► but it's actually something I kind of savor and writing my things in that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► I want every sentence I write to be at least defensible to me like I should be able to explain myself it should express [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► whatever I think if it doesn't express exactly what I think I should pick a word to get close to expressing what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► and that practice some people get some you'll find that practice kind of harmonies like you know it's going to be alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► money on which I think it's perfectly fine but for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► I get all paranoid about it why can't one night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► when people can use my own words against me I have chosen the wrong words because they're not really like that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► what I meant I never want to say oh no that's not what I meant I want to say no that's exactly what I meant. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► And maybe I can. Diagram the sentence for you to explain how I think what I meant. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► If not what you're saying because there's what you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► Everything around that people are always going to read what you actually wrote and say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► I think what you're saying here is that Apple is doomed like that I write that Apple was doomed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► No but seems like it seems like really. You know like we can have that debate but I don't want people to put the word. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► You're saying here that Apple's qualities take a nose dive I never said Oh. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► Jim I did say nose dive that's not really what I meant. Right. That's the frustration that's what hurts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► Is that I feel embarrassed and guilty that I made a bad word choice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4016">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► Not like I can be angry if somebody misquotes me or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► You know take something out of context or whatever but there's only so much you can do about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► but you don't want them to be able to actually quote you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► In context and you feel bad about exactly that's the problem is like when I know I was wrong and I did something bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► And then you're think it's magnified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► when you write a million things like everybody does especially if you're a frequent blog you read a million things we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► don't pick the person I had the luxury of picking the precise word every like one thing a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► and it just poured over it like an insane person right but if you're blogging every day like you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► You know but and then you get caught by surprise is like most of my stuff gets read by X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► Number of people that got read by X. Times a hundred thousand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► And that's kind of like an unfair lens to focus on again what you probably thought was like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► There's another one of those posts or summarize what I've been saying A.T.P. The best in months. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► You bang it out you're done you go to sleep like no big deal right now he wake up and it's like go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► Why why this one and not when I talk about like closed headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► and I think I think the answer to why this one the like people picked up on this is like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4077">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► If it wasn't you it would have been someone else because that has been the air like this is this is an actual thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► You know your guard you about justification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► or whatever I'm saying like the current crop of Apple customers are in a cycle now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► Where we are not satisfied with the quality of the products we're getting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► And you know we expect more than we're getting our expectations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► Maybe up our usage maybe up the quality maybe down some combination but we're not happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► and so it's been bouncing around but apropos you with software colleagues and bouncing around circles for just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► I think of this point for you know. Over a year. And this just happened to catch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► Because it was the right person at the right time expressing the things that you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► He's saying what we're all thinking right and or. You know their misquote of him is what I'm thinking. Well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► Well the funny thing is I was digging through the showdown so you guys were talking trying to find that link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► and I'm not sure that this is the one you're looking for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► John but I did stumble upon the products Apple doesn't have time to improve dated December twenty ninth two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► and thirteen. Very last paragraph is on. Marco's website. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► While most of the press demands new hardware categories I'd be perfectly happy if Apple never made a T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► or A watch or a unicorn and instead devoted the next five years to polishing the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► and services for their existing product lines. December twenty ninth twenty thirteen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► Now that wasn't what I was thinking of in terms of the one I was going to complain about how Marco wrote it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► and not what he wrote it was like it was it was like not a. I don't know his tech related it was just something random. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► Right. My point is just that over a year ago. We were all complaining about software quality. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► I always give I mean ultimately do all the archives but I saw four guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► and I not unlike what we all complain it's just like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► When does it reach a critical mass when does a gain traction in the larger thing when does it become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► and it's almost kind of sad that it becomes a story because then. Then it itself. Begins the cycle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► All that we know will eventually end where this becomes a thing and then we talk about it and abounds around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► and we forget and it's kind of a shame that that is a cycle to write that the media cycle about this thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► And the media cycle terminate long before it does any satisfaction. SAS satisfactory resolution to the actual problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► Because the media cycle has a life of its own. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► That is not concerned with the substance of the things it's reporting on like. Once the story goes away it's like oh. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► I remember that story a couple years ago that was him suffer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► but I guess the stick now is that I hear of it anymore no probably not like you know the the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► The reality continues to lurch along right and so you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► Just like Apple of you like Africa comes and goes in cycles in between then is it solved Nope. No not at all like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► And I think that's that's the problem like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► when that's all we talk about in the show is like systemic problems with Apple's products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► And you're the option Marco put out there like the fans who have like I'll just keep polishing your products are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► furious. That is more viable on the Mac. Because like I said. Who are they chasing at this point like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► It's not a an active battleground it's more of you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► Borders and draw numbers and I was ten it's kind of gently encroaching on Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► but it's not like a burgeoning market but on the phone. They really do have to be racing forward. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4256">TS</a>]
01:11:02 ◼ ► They also need to get their quality under control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4262">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► and need to balance those two things I think the good thing going for them is that as a lot of people started like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► I think I saw someone say I was hit with I think I was basically feature complete now right you know that you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► end of history illusion right yeah OK that's all there. But. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► But in some respects it's like I was a brought a lot of longstanding things that we wanted for a long time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► And you do have now a window of time where you can polish those because it's not like there's some major feature there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4283">TS</a>]
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01:18:24 ◼ ► Yeah that's fine. All right so what were the start from ninety five Mack is that right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► Yeah Markram got if it's true a pretty good scoop. About this the the alleged twelve inks Retina MacBook Air. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► And there's been rumors about. Well then i Pad Pro and a twelve in fretting a math book air. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/4719">TS</a>]
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01:23:38 ◼ ► breaker to have a standard keyboard like it's an interesting design tradeoff if true with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5018">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► If the product was as conceptualized already had to more of the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► Supposedly you know if this product was real what about this is Andrea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► But the keyboard one is one of the minor ones but it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► It's a line in the sand where it's like previously was like nope full size keys everywhere. Spacing it for all we know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► Like I haven't actually measured center to center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5037">TS</a>]
01:23:58 ◼ ► but I'm assuming that the keyboard spacing has not changed in the modern era of Apple hardware and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5038">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► This would be a change. I don't I don't think I would notice it and I don't know you guys both touch typists. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► Yep mixed. Like I'm like you know a little bit sloppy but that God on title that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► If you would use his keyboard Casey would you feel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► Would you say oh I get it was obviously views on a lot of techie board cover her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► and i Pad you like I was like official price keyboard it's crazy I can type on it right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► And that's an extreme with this spacing difference do you do you think you would feel it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► I don't think so I will say that the rare occasions that I used to Max many many years ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5071">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► And the little nubbins were on the D. and. What which was the other T D N K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► Keys back before they moved them to the P.C. Position of F. and J. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► That threw me off on student Lee and I could barely type on a mac back then but that was a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► I would argue a much bigger difference I think if I just have to if I just have to get used to the keys being slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5095">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► Or slightly close together I don't think that would make a very big difference at all now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► and less a really big sausage fingers I think I find with laptops that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► It's more of a thing getting used to the Keys that they move like the fact the controls not in the corner this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► when they move a skate better the corner and that would probably screw screw me up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► or maybe script people who are like Emacs users or other people might have the escapee more than you might expect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► One exciting thing about this. This mock up of a keyboard here is that the left or right arrow keys are full size. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► Which is like one baby steps towards the sanity of full size arrow keys. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► But now but I haven't break the won't break the border of the keyboard yet but this is a baby step isn't in fact. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:38 ◼ ► Actually this maybe not be babies that this may be regression because it might have been driving him crazy to have half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5138">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► and right keys because they broke the symmetry of every key kept being the same size except for the you know modifier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► keys and stuff. So I don't know of any why I endorse that rumored change as well. So the big rumored change. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► Which has all of us talking about this in particular is allegedly. All of the ports are gone. Except a headphone jack.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5156">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► And a U.S.B. Three type see the new reversible U.S.B. Connector including the power counter like so the the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► So if this is true. The power and all device connections except headphones. Will have to run through a single US be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► Type C. Connector. Right so I think the first I mean say about this is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► Is this technically possible to do right and from people who are been following the spec more closely than us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► Apparently the answer is yes the U.S.B. Types you connector. Has a lot of capability. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► And I don't know the fine details of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► but the people are saying that it was designed to carry up to one hundred watts of power into the computer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► If necessary as well as be able to stream to kind of multiplex other device other port types. Over that physical plug. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► And I can do displays as well. Yes exactly. So it does seem like it is possible. So the answer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5216">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► That's that I think I don't know if was emphasizing other darkly I mean they mention it here but like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► The reason we can have this discussion is because plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► or minus maybe minor things about like well won't charges faster or you be limited in monitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► or will it compromise the speed of the boss. Technically from the specs it seems like yes this is a thing you could do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► You can take a hot top with a headphone port. And a single U.S.B. Type seaport. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► It still might be a bad idea but it does seem like it's possible technically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► Now if Apple did this and made this device regardless of whether we think they're going to or not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► Would you want to buy one would it change your opinion of like of your saying you might want to get this is nice it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► nice to get a laptop or vice me like having a laptop would be cool to be small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► and would this change your your decision about getting one. Probably not simply because it wouldn't affect the way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► Like the with the way I use my laptop as a secondary and pretty occasional computer really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5274">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► That's not how most people use a laptop most people use a laptop as their only computer and are using it frequently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► and. Most of the time it's on a desk plugged in to other stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► So for that kind of use again we will have to see this is all we could be totally wrong this port could be totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► And we might my peach be able to shut everything through it and have a little base station or adapter whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► I'm not willing to say that it would be totally awesome because like the The Big One is that they're saying mag safe is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► gone to add a mag safe isn't just like go is just coming up with another port U.S.B. Connector to carry the power. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► Why would you do it well the same reason magnet exists in the first place because you don't want to plug the goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► inside your computer to be the power cord to be able to power like. That's why magnet was invented we did that before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► Like we had laptops where there was a connector that went into there and we hope broke them off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► and certain point you know not to say mag they've just perfect and mag safe too has been arguably regression. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► And maybe this thing is so thin that they can't figure out how to get a mag say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► Maybe they should switch like the i Watch type little you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5336">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► Magnetic induction suction cup you look and thing over I don't know what they have to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► But I don't want to go back to a world where people can trip over the power cord or a laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► and so if this thing came out. It's not just that it has one port but if it didn't even have a power port. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► This would make me strongly consider. Not only not buying it for myself with on real life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► I think magnate is one of the best teachers they've ever had to laptop line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► and if they take it away in favor of this little U.S.B. Type C. Connector. I would have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► I would take a wait and see approach and I would say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► Basically have to see is the connector so tiny that it's practically a thousand lightning connector you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► Is so tiny that it basically acts like Max that even that you can trip over a million times and it won't break off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► and it won't yank your computer down just because it's so small like it's not like a big full size U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► Connector or is that really the issue that I think it's going to be and that. You know it's not as good as an X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► A And we're back to the old days. But what about the X. Box style. Midway through the cable break away from doing the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5388">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► I mean that's like you know any big giant thing in the middle of your cable know what if it wasn't so big and giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► but it still serve the same purpose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► and you got to use the special cable the time in so let's get to the other compromises of having a single part of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► the max a thing entirely pretend the power thing is not an issue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► Why would you have just one of them less you're making some sort of philosophical statement like of their technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► reason why we think we'd have just one some people have argued power because the second part require power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► and I could maybe kind of buy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► but I don't know enough about the specs of the bars of the Coram line of processors might write. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► I don't know if there is something about adding another port that a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► That is a significant power drain it seems like in this mock up there's space on the side of it where you could put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► another port. Well. It is teardrop shape still though. So it does paper into a into a narrow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► Or shape as you go down closer to the person sitting so there might not be as much room for more of them as you think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► I think this is all the stuff for shop job a bit surrender based on based on rumored information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► and things that were told by sources. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► I think there is technically a room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► but like in the aesthetic design if you don't want to sort of compromise that is there's the region that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► perpendicular to the surface of the table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:13 ◼ ► and that region is smaller than the with of the things so with wise is plenty of room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5473">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► but is there room in the perpendicular area. I feel like there's nothing room. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► The very least you could do is you know one on one side and on the other or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► but two ports is so much better than one because two ports get is the average person the ability to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► Without engaging the sort of squid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► or octopus of cables that the snake out of the because it's like oh I have one thing plugged in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► and I had to do some other things like I just had to put in the little thumb drive help them drive there have U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► Type C. Connectors but right. Well something. Some really common. Power. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► And an i Phone or like a mouse about a mouse and something else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► I mean and you know and a lot of people of argued Yeah there's a lot of wireless mouse might have there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► and yes that's true as Bluetooth liason the but somehow the R.F. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:58 ◼ ► Donal's Yeah yeah exactly and but I mean just sit the simplest thing when like when I'm when I'm traveling somewhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5518">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► I always have devices pulled into the U.S.B. Port on my laptop and usually it's charging eyeless devices. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► So I mean if I just I just don't understand. I don't quite understand the thoughts offical statement that will be made. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► I understand a false offical statement was made by only having U.S.P. Type seaports. And by having it be fanless. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► Having used the Coram and like. I understand the statement of this machine. Right. But only having one of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► I don't understand the extra thing you would be getting from. You know the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► This is a a a thin super lightweight machine it's almost been is an i Pad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► It's very simple there's no fans and is not amazing like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► Even if they went with like we're not going to run a screen because we can't because because we wanted to go with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► low power family his line I would even be OK with that just like that is wholly what this machine is about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:54 ◼ ► But nothing about having only one U.S.B. Cord again putting aside mag say nothing about only have one U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5574">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► Port makes a statement to me that I find that has any value. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► Aesthetically practically speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► or in any other way unless it was like we couldn't do two because of power constraints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:08 ◼ ► but I don't think of the cases I've seen other laptops of the. You know the same. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5588">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► What we think of the same chips at the might be in something like this and they aren't as a compromise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► So I am baffled by the single part rumor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► and I hope it is a just a misunderstanding of the Hope it's all a big misunderstanding. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:24 ◼ ► So I agree with you that I think throwing away mag safe. Is a very dubious choice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5604">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► But let's let's just assume that they make that choice and it really is what this render shows which is just one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► Which by the way I'm not entirely sure why they wouldn't use Lightning I guess because of all the power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5620">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► and all the other things that this US P.C. Can do they need they need to carry a display over it right all that stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► So. But regardless so we only have this one U.S.B. Type C. and Headphone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► I keep trying to think about and I haven't had the time to come up with a good answer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► But I keep trying to think about what. What has Apple done lately. That would enable this computer to exist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► So for example. Air drop between computers that. Hypothetically if it ever freaking works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► Hey Marco Have you ever talked about things not working anyway. You know if it ever works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► Airdrop could be the solution that that makes U.S.B. Keys. Obsolete. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► And that's just one very silly example let's take another you you guys mentioned Bluetooth. Specifically for mice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► You know I use a Bluetooth mouse. And so I don't need to plug in one of those little R.F. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► Dongles although pretty much everyone at work. Does exactly that plug in and are often go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► So if you leave aside a secondary display which admittedly in a lot of context is very important. And if. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:56 ◼ ► If you assume that we can do basic U.S.B. Key style things with air drop or equivalent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5696">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► What do you really need a bunch U.S.B. Ports for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► I mean charging is a great example to Marcos point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► but that's kind of hurt so it's really a rhetorical question what I'm driving at is if you think of this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► More like an i Pad that happens to have a keyboard and maybe even runs O.-S. Ten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► Then you do a complete traditional computer. What do you really need those ports for. I think it's more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► It's not so much like. What do you need them for like that you desperately want them it's that. Taking it away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:32 ◼ ► It shouldn't be taken away unless there's a reason. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5732">TS</a>]
01:35:34 ◼ ► And there's lots of reasons we were gone through which may be true like you know it could be a power issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5734">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► and it's like well you know it is that that the smallness the fan lessness you know that the light is this machine is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► the reasons why we couldn't make this machine the way it is that the point that would be a reason I don't think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► it's actually true in this case but that would be one reason. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:53 ◼ ► And the other could be some aesthetic or philosophical statement that you're making which I don't understand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5753">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► But it in the absence of any good reason to not have it. Like just put it on that because it's so can you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:05 ◼ ► One is just it's just too few. Like why why just. Why not just have none at that point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► Right because not that you need to all the time of a lot of people do need to all the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► But you want to have the one that you're using and the X. Your one for the for the other thing that you want to do you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► Because the statement is a machine ultra portability convenience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► and everything is massively compromised by having to carry a satchel with you know a rat's nest of cables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5783">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► and like that. That hurts the message or the machine doesn't help. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► But what do you plugging in that's what I don't understand but I rarely mention like U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:36 ◼ ► Key type things are Afghan girls. Already those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5796">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► You know if you have an art Don Gonyea speaking you've got two ports felt. Just to do your work but but you've already. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► You've already failed. By my point is if you're using an R.F. Dongle or if you're using a U.S.B. Key. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► This is already not the computer for you but I mean I think those things are people be doing I have a portable mouse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► You know. And it has just about R.F. Down on it's not Bluetooth. Right. And I have a U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5815">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► Key and I want to use I'm outside of my work and part of my work involves taking as he was speaking from work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► and shoving endpoint files on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:06 ◼ ► And I can't do that without plugging my mouse it's like well why am I even bothering to use a mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5826">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► and never shall get a weird dongle adapter tighten like that is not a crazy scenario people who use use the laptop. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5830">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► and to you know be the mouse is basically like that becomes like that port is taken all the time because I always use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► the mouse event on my little tray table is not because I hate trackpad or something. And by. The way I have a U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► Key sometimes. It's already to port them you haven't done anything exotic like plugged in a portable hard drive or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:33 ◼ ► You know plugged in an optical thing or something like like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5853">TS</a>]
01:37:37 ◼ ► Unless you're saying is this can't be a person's primary mac which would definitely be a first for any laptop that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5857">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► Apple has ever made they've always said you know there may be compromise for this but this can be your only mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:47 ◼ ► Because you can get everything done that you want to get done and it without. It's beget he's nest in a hub. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5867">TS</a>]
01:37:52 ◼ ► Coming off of the thing with one port. I think that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5872">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► That hurts the intended message of the machine as a tiny can be a little thing with not communion anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5876">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► when you have to come along with a bunch of accessories. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► We se but I disagree I think what it is is that your to your viewing this against a traditional computer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► Which is the same problem I had when I first saw it. But the more I think about it the more I think this is really a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► If you want the best of the best mobile computing experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► when you define best as thinnest lightest etc Maybe this is even arm for all we know who knows. But one way or another. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:25 ◼ ► All in on the fact that these are the compromises that you're going to have to deal with you're going to have to trade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5905">TS</a>]
01:38:31 ◼ ► in that R.F. Mouse for U.S.B. Mouse. I mean for a bluetooth mouse. But why did you why do you have to deal with that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5911">TS</a>]
01:38:37 ◼ ► Why do you have to say you're going to have to I will accept it if I have to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5917">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► But why do I have to there needs to be a reason. Would it not. Could it not have been this then if it had two ports. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► Like that's the question I want answered seems to me based on the smoke of the same product I mean that in the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:52 ◼ ► that it could be that thing with two ports. And I don't think it's a power issue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5932">TS</a>]
01:38:58 ◼ ► but it's the only analogy I can come back to is around the time that MAC started dropping optical drives. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5938">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► When they dropped floppy drives but around the time they dropped optical drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► and let me be clear the two max that I that I own both have optical drives when that happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5951">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► I thought they were out of their damn minds in the same way that I think a lot of people said that about floppy drives. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► I don't side of getting the crappy quality pictures of Declan when he came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► when he was born from the hospital photographer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:33 ◼ ► I haven't really used an optical drive in ages I can't even remember the last time of used it with that one exception. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5973">TS</a>]
01:39:39 ◼ ► So it really turns out that we don't really need. Optical drives anymore and I'm wondering that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5979">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► Maybe we don't really need U.S.B. Drive. Ports on a regular basis anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► And you know what if you really want to stick with that or if mouse in your work and. If you really want to throw U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:58 ◼ ► Keys into your computer at work. Then you know what John you're right you're going to have to have that ugly ass U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/5998">TS</a>]
01:40:03 ◼ ► Hub sitting there with all its little things falling out of it because that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► That's what you're going to have to deal with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► I think the optical drive and the floppy drive and I would add sealed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► and batteries are great examples to support my point because all those things had a reason. Optical drive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► Like I was totally in support of that going because like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► Look what you can see maybe not necessarily for the I'm makin because you could argue that it could hire out there a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► little longer before laptops Hell yes because you would look at what you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► when you get rid of that it was this giant that was taken up like a huge percentage of the case yes please get that out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:35 ◼ ► of their floppy drives like nobody likes floppy drives us be cuter place them like the message of the I'm back was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6035">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► nope it's all U.S.B. There's no A.D.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► Stuff like that was a philosophical message expressed by sort of like the paring down of the variety of ports no more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► like printer port and serial port all as I was like old fallen face gone new style here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:53 ◼ ► but that in just include one of them right. When there's a reason you know the incorporated batteries again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6053">TS</a>]
01:41:00 ◼ ► Making the university not having the battery door now doing all the stuff like you got something in exchange for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6060">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► compromise in a lot of people are angry about those things I really wasn't because I saw what I was getting for it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:10 ◼ ► one part. I don't understand what I'm getting for it and that's my complaint about it in a moment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6070">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► Really what I'm what I'm thinking is what if this is as you said a philosophical statement that you shouldn't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:23 ◼ ► U.S.B. Anymore we're beyond that now. And I know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6083">TS</a>]
01:41:26 ◼ ► Oh that sounds kind of insane because even I think it sounds kind of insane all the why not put the euro. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6086">TS</a>]
01:41:32 ◼ ► Because you need some sort of charge so i Pad put zero on it and people are upset about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6092">TS</a>]
01:41:36 ◼ ► and that was definitely a statement this is not a device that you're on Connect peripheral stuff. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6096">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► It's a fair it's a fair point I don't mark a word you come down on all this. You know if you think about one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► When the very first. Mac book Air came out and looked to have an eight was it was around two thousand and eight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:53 ◼ ► It had a lot of these limitations. A lot of imitation is that a net. No computer. Even by Apple had that point yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6113">TS</a>]
01:42:01 ◼ ► And it was. I mean I had one and it was it was pretty clunky they were it was pretty frustrating to use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6121">TS</a>]
01:42:08 ◼ ► It had one U.S.B. Port. And one display and one headphone and one power. But you know display never use headphones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6128">TS</a>]
01:42:16 ◼ ► So you base your had one U.S.B. Port and. That was so annoying. I hit the limitations on that constantly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6136">TS</a>]
01:42:24 ◼ ► You know these days. It's different these days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6144">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► One of the biggest differences that wireless networking is a lot faster you know that I believe came with it to eleven. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:31 ◼ ► G. And the port on it. Like I have one little why are you going to Donal's for it. But the porters only U.S.B. Two. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6151">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► And that was the even song was only ten one hundred and. And of course the disk in it I didn't have the S.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:44 ◼ ► That was way too expensive. The home Ashima domestic C.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6164">TS</a>]
01:42:47 ◼ ► With throttle down and everything to go to hot yep yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6167">TS</a>]
01:42:50 ◼ ► and the disk I had heard the the one point eight inch hard drive was so incredibly slow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6170">TS</a>]
01:42:56 ◼ ► And so like transferring files to and from it was excruciating. It took so long. Whether it was wired or wireless. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6176">TS</a>]
01:43:03 ◼ ► It barely even mattered. It would just took forever. And having only that one U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6183">TS</a>]
01:43:08 ◼ ► Port even back then into those An even when I only had an i Phone when there were no i Pads yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6188">TS</a>]
01:43:13 ◼ ► And I wasn't like you know because these are YOU CAN ALSO LIKE IF you. If you have a camera. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6193">TS</a>]
01:43:17 ◼ ► Most cameras will charge over U.S.B. Now. So if there's so many devices have charged to rehearse be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6197">TS</a>]
01:43:22 ◼ ► And this is before a lot of extra hard drives are very common I mean really these days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6202">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► As you know in some ways you know if you report in some ways any more ports. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► And I just remember how incredibly frustrating that was back then there's a reason why the next generation of MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► Air added I believe that to ports right now I'm looking at one right now it has one of the left one of the right about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► the most importantly the port does not double as the power connector on the manhunt fiercely so that's that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:50 ◼ ► second issue which we did put aside but I would bring it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6230">TS</a>]
01:43:53 ◼ ► when it comes to like the reality of this thing it's like one port is one thing but one part that's also power. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6233">TS</a>]
01:43:58 ◼ ► I really need to be convinced that it is able to fill the role the bank safe does in terms of tripping over power cable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6238">TS</a>]
01:44:03 ◼ ► You know so having owned that first air. It was increased risk. Limiting and frustrating in a lot of ways. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6243">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► That being said it was amazing because of how incredibly thin and light it was for the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► And it was a giant leap forward for that time. And eventually once. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► Once the the new one came out I think in two thousand and ten when they when they made the the university the good one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:27 ◼ ► Well the the from who wanted to anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6267">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► When they revise it made and made the good one that we all know now is the mac book air that generation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:35 ◼ ► They fix a lot of it and one of the biggest in the fix was they all had S.S.D. If they were really fast and so anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6275">TS</a>]
01:44:40 ◼ ► If this is a this is a major leap forward. In some way or in some ways. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6280">TS</a>]
01:44:47 ◼ ► Then we're going to overlook the one port thing if that's real. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6287">TS</a>]
01:44:50 ◼ ► You know if we're going to overlook that we're going to tolerate it. But the first mac book air. To achieve that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6290">TS</a>]
01:44:57 ◼ ► Wow factor and these couple areas that also probably shouldn't have been anybody's only computer. And so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6297">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► And so this isn't the first on they've done this. You know they they don't do it often. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:07 ◼ ► But that this isn't the first time they've done it. They beat everybody with network air though. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6307">TS</a>]
01:45:12 ◼ ► Because they had Intel make that special. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6312">TS</a>]
01:45:15 ◼ ► or whatever was some some special ship made for them that meant they were the first one our it wasn't even so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6315">TS</a>]
01:45:20 ◼ ► it was literally a smaller package around the same chip whatever it was like they were they were able to come of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6320">TS</a>]
01:45:25 ◼ ► machines other people than I was there was the first university which other people didn't have it was also. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:30 ◼ ► You know the first laptop that you could make this ridiculously thin putting in the Ombudsman everything because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6330">TS</a>]
01:45:34 ◼ ► had the special chip and all that. That's not the case with us as already. You know P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6334">TS</a>]
01:45:38 ◼ ► Notebooks out that use the same chipsets that are available today that are not as elegant and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6338">TS</a>]
01:45:43 ◼ ► but there they are similarly reaping the same adventures that Apple is going to get here because there are the on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6343">TS</a>]
01:45:48 ◼ ► mark with the same chipsets Apple excuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6348">TS</a>]
01:45:50 ◼ ► or at least being reviewed because I've read reviews them on site so they don't quite have the same. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6350">TS</a>]
01:45:55 ◼ ► Then they don't have the opportunity to do what they did with the air. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6355">TS</a>]
01:45:58 ◼ ► Or even I would say with the I'm activists point because this rumor design is a symbol of illusion of what they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6358">TS</a>]
01:46:03 ◼ ► it's Than or it's lighter it's everything so and so forth but it's not going to be the first to market. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6363">TS</a>]
01:46:07 ◼ ► And I don't think they have a special. Maybe they have a special ships that in terms of the G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6367">TS</a>]
01:46:13 ◼ ► and one on the screen which is another wild card as Marvel doesn't say anything about whether the rim of things will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6373">TS</a>]
01:46:17 ◼ ► see retina but I understand what you're saying but I would. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6377">TS</a>]
01:46:20 ◼ ► I would not hold up the first mac book air as a model to be repeated because I think in the end that machine was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6380">TS</a>]
01:46:27 ◼ ► but it was bad enough that real always be remembered as one of those machines like oh yeah I got one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6387">TS</a>]
01:46:33 ◼ ► but boy like ever wondered has their stories about like what the story's basically the next one that was the one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6393">TS</a>]
01:46:39 ◼ ► No I mean and I think that I think that she was a failure like I would be harder on it having owned one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6399">TS</a>]
01:46:44 ◼ ► I think it was a failure I really like that machine we had an extremely love hate relationship. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6404">TS</a>]
01:46:49 ◼ ► But but you know these days. The technology is better. In. Really important ways. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6409">TS</a>]
01:46:54 ◼ ► Number one being as his deeds are now very cheap and you know relatively speaking. That now S.D.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6414">TS</a>]
01:46:59 ◼ ► Can be in all of them so they can be fast and Wireless is faster so that alleviates lot of the I O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6419">TS</a>]
01:47:04 ◼ ► Bottleneck in and out of that machine that bothered me so much. So this guy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6424">TS</a>]
01:47:08 ◼ ► If this machine Israel I think this could be good. One of my biggest concerns though is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6428">TS</a>]
01:47:15 ◼ ► Once again it seems like there prioritizing thinness to an unnecessary degree. At the likely expense of battery life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6435">TS</a>]
01:47:23 ◼ ► So looking at this machine. If these. If the you specs are even close to true. It is extremely thin. And it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6443">TS</a>]
01:47:32 ◼ ► And it allegedly still maintains the teardrop tapered shape. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6452">TS</a>]
01:47:36 ◼ ► Which means we're going to be very little room for much battery in there and if they go in for light weight again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6456">TS</a>]
01:47:41 ◼ ► Not a lot of weight budget for battery either. So even if in with a very low power chip. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6461">TS</a>]
01:47:47 ◼ ► You still have a big screen and radios. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6467">TS</a>]
01:47:49 ◼ ► They might have got some space back because again in a fantasy machine is rumors they're saying that the trackpad is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6469">TS</a>]
01:47:55 ◼ ► not a mechanical click down I don't understand what it is though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6475">TS</a>]
01:47:57 ◼ ► but if it doesn't go down well it's like the stupid tactic like that all track that's how that we all turn off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6477">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► and Anyway whatever they're saying it seems like they're saying that narrow there may be a sliver of extra room under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:07 ◼ ► the track that it wasn't there before because you don't need empty space for the trackpad to pivot down into where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6487">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► saying about the that about the truck to the keyboard I thought they might have been saying it about the keyboard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:16 ◼ ► No it's a the trackpad doesn't click down anymore like you like and presumably you just have to tap it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6496">TS</a>]
01:48:21 ◼ ► I was wondering if it was pressure sensitive or something but I mean I'm mostly on bbs machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6501">TS</a>]
01:48:27 ◼ ► but my two big things are mags A for an Omega safe and and. Give me a reason why there's not more than one port. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6507">TS</a>]
01:48:35 ◼ ► That's not a philosophical reason because I mean that's another thing I thought would be the benefit of the U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6515">TS</a>]
01:48:40 ◼ ► Type see connector. They're smaller and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6520">TS</a>]
01:48:43 ◼ ► You can now you can fit more of them like they're not monstrous things where it's like you could on the original air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6523">TS</a>]
01:48:47 ◼ ► they have it within like the fold down little things they couldn't even if it was on like Johnny's nice curve shape yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6527">TS</a>]
01:48:52 ◼ ► a little like flap door that would flap open it was. And they get they got over that it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6532">TS</a>]
01:48:57 ◼ ► It's like pop up headlights. Yeah exactly like I was you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6537">TS</a>]
01:49:01 ◼ ► It was a thing in the end it feels like you know it just like once they have technology to make a decent life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6541">TS</a>]
01:49:05 ◼ ► and not have them pop up they did it and so like you know. What else about this in the space gray. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6545">TS</a>]
01:49:10 ◼ ► Coming in color something on all of our But that. Yeah I would love a space great. Apple laptop in the BE AWESOME. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6550">TS</a>]
01:49:18 ◼ ► Overall I think it's going to be. It is really interesting. I think though. I am definitely concerned. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6558">TS</a>]
01:49:26 ◼ ► Not about all these other factors not about the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6566">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► The port as much I am mostly concerned about battery life that they have prioritized than this too much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6568">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► And that there won't be very good battery life in this because you know just the listing eleven inch MacBook Air. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:41 ◼ ► Does not have a battery life. It is much better on the thirteen and because I have more space for a battery. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6581">TS</a>]
01:49:46 ◼ ► I think that if the if you take this machine and you just don't give it a teardrop shape. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6586">TS</a>]
01:49:53 ◼ ► Just make it uniform thickness the way the retina. Thirteen to fifteen or even if it's dinner. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6593">TS</a>]
01:49:58 ◼ ► If it is uniform across the whole thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6598">TS</a>]
01:50:01 ◼ ► That leaves surprisingly large amount of volume for batteries in there and I hope they do that but I bet they won't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6601">TS</a>]
01:50:07 ◼ ► You know. So I have a quick thought and then a question. A quick thought is. What if the brick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6607">TS</a>]
01:50:13 ◼ ► That is plugging into this one U.S.B. Port. Has U.S.B. Ports on it doesn't help you because under your desk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6613">TS</a>]
01:50:19 ◼ ► Yeah I mean. And yes we know about the plug bug please stop emailing us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6619">TS</a>]
01:50:24 ◼ ► Stop right there let me stop your email right there. That's not have a people do though. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6624">TS</a>]
01:50:29 ◼ ► when you're in a hotel who knows where the plug is on your desk the plug is not always up like. It's a different place. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6629">TS</a>]
01:50:34 ◼ ► People end up using you know people more be more like to use a powered hub. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6634">TS</a>]
01:50:38 ◼ ► I mean it's possible now the other question I have is could this be the first our mac.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6638">TS</a>]
01:50:43 ◼ ► So that's a good question I think if you look at the i Pad Air two C.P.U. The eight X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6643">TS</a>]
01:50:50 ◼ ► And you look at the the benchmarks from the new family score am chips that that would be simply the chip to be used in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6650">TS</a>]
01:50:56 ◼ ► the thing. They're pretty close. Actually like they're they're similar in performance that. You know there are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6656">TS</a>]
01:51:03 ◼ ► I think the UNTIL ONE The Until one is faster single threaded. But not by a massive amount. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6663">TS</a>]
01:51:08 ◼ ► You know that they're in the same ballpark. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6668">TS</a>]
01:51:10 ◼ ► The big question to me is why would they go armed so no question they could if they wanted to they could ship in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6670">TS</a>]
01:51:17 ◼ ► mac they could compile everything from arm. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6677">TS</a>]
01:51:19 ◼ ► And they could require developers to cross compile for the mac app store and everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6679">TS</a>]
01:51:23 ◼ ► Didn't choke point out it was like a merry today as well like. If there was going to be arm. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6683">TS</a>]
01:51:29 ◼ ► They would have to have something like the you know the Intel Developer Program where they shipped out like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6689">TS</a>]
01:51:35 ◼ ► You know G five. Power my cases with Pentium four is inside them to let people. You know like any C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6695">TS</a>]
01:51:41 ◼ ► Transition needs developers on board so that is the case you would expect that transition to proceed the release of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6701">TS</a>]
01:51:47 ◼ ► machines in the scheduling. If this leak is and in any way real. And we and we expect this machine to see Year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6707">TS</a>]
01:51:56 ◼ ► When are you going to tell developers by the way you're going to cross involve are merely crappy after the timing seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6716">TS</a>]
01:52:01 ◼ ► wrong to me for that to be the case. But anyway go on with the feasibility. Yeah well I mean. But again like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6721">TS</a>]
01:52:05 ◼ ► Well I think it will be less work this time because like you know developers are been dragged through one transition. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6725">TS</a>]
01:52:11 ◼ ► We are not only already familiar with arm for my US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6731">TS</a>]
01:52:14 ◼ ► but in these days developers like by going through the first transition a lot developers move their code to more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6734">TS</a>]
01:52:19 ◼ ► portable code. And so they I think I think it will be a much less involved transition for developers and. I think the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6739">TS</a>]
01:52:28 ◼ ► The days of Apple. Having some kind of prerelease developer hardware program. I think that's your car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6748">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► Pretty pretty far gone. And I think the way they would do this would be the same way when they when they have like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6753">TS</a>]
01:52:39 ◼ ► You know new i Pad some of the same with going to the watch like didn't ship a watch to everyone for watching the going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6759">TS</a>]
01:52:44 ◼ ► to happen. You know they're going to they're going to let you submit apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6764">TS</a>]
01:52:49 ◼ ► Two weeks ahead of time before Christmas goes on sale. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6769">TS</a>]
01:52:52 ◼ ► But you have all that you have existing software the like in the case of those things you didn't like you have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6772">TS</a>]
01:52:56 ◼ ► these existing mag out to you have to decide if you're going to like a fat binary thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6776">TS</a>]
01:53:00 ◼ ► and if you aren't as the to recombine other things as that binary is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6780">TS</a>]
01:53:04 ◼ ► and you have to decide whether his going to be a transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6784">TS</a>]
01:53:06 ◼ ► or constant parallel thing because his goods are maybe for this machine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6786">TS</a>]
01:53:09 ◼ ► Still can't compete with the high end machines so it's very nice you're going to still have this giant to back progress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6789">TS</a>]
01:53:13 ◼ ► not going to have an ARM processor and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6793">TS</a>]
01:53:15 ◼ ► And then you're just going to have two processes forever and like there's errors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6795">TS</a>]
01:53:20 ◼ ► I think they can definitely make a machine with ARM Prosser The Doesn't it would be reasonably satisfactory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6800">TS</a>]
01:53:24 ◼ ► but all the ancillary bookkeeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6804">TS</a>]
01:53:27 ◼ ► and strategic things don't quite get make sense to me I don't understand what they would come out on stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6807">TS</a>]
01:53:32 ◼ ► and say is the reason they're doing this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6812">TS</a>]
01:53:34 ◼ ► Unless they try to say it because it can be super low power it's like it would be lower power. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6814">TS</a>]
01:53:40 ◼ ► But it wouldn't suddenly become an i Pad right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6820">TS</a>]
01:53:42 ◼ ► You wouldn't suddenly get twenty four hour battery life where you where you were with with the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6822">TS</a>]
01:53:47 ◼ ► Same Intel chip you have gotten. You know five or seven like. It's not going to be that big of a difference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6827">TS</a>]
01:53:52 ◼ ► But I mean for me the biggest thing is I have no question they could do this I have no question they could give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6832">TS</a>]
01:53:58 ◼ ► developers very little notice and we would all just jump. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6838">TS</a>]
01:54:00 ◼ ► And just do it or not we are not a matter of Alper but they would all jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6840">TS</a>]
01:54:04 ◼ ► and just do it because it wouldn't be that much work for most of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6844">TS</a>]
01:54:08 ◼ ► My big thing is same thing as about the ports why. Because there would be a substantial cost to it in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6848">TS</a>]
01:54:16 ◼ ► During the transition first of all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6856">TS</a>]
01:54:18 ◼ ► Couldn't run boot camp anymore and you couldn't virtualize windows anymore that's a big problem for a lot of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6858">TS</a>]
01:54:23 ◼ ► Once again. I think you know go back to the early discussion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6863">TS</a>]
01:54:26 ◼ ► This couldn't be your only mac if you do use Windows apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6866">TS</a>]
01:54:30 ◼ ► But you know maybe it could be your travel Makar maybe for a lot of us myself included who don't ever run Windows apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6870">TS</a>]
01:54:35 ◼ ► They can do it but there are certainly a lot of people need windows so that it would lose the support of all of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6875">TS</a>]
01:54:40 ◼ ► For the transition period however long it is before. Most of the apps are all the apps you use. Are compiled for arm. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6880">TS</a>]
01:54:47 ◼ ► How do you run Intel apps. Is there some kind of Rosetta layer because the problem is like when you went from Power P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6887">TS</a>]
01:54:53 ◼ ► To Intel. There was also a massive performance jump. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6893">TS</a>]
01:54:56 ◼ ► I like that you said we've been through one transition before and I know you've been there many. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6896">TS</a>]
01:55:00 ◼ ► Yes I know it but you're right I distrust your point every time there's been a transition. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6900">TS</a>]
01:55:04 ◼ ► There's been some kind of bandage like a. It's a clear transition. This is old that's new. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6904">TS</a>]
01:55:10 ◼ ► Which would not be the case with arm because you'd be like What the hell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6910">TS</a>]
01:55:12 ◼ ► What's your story for the macro you're going to go over that crazy twelve Koran browser where is that anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6912">TS</a>]
01:55:17 ◼ ► Wouldn't even be a transition and be every time there has been transition. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6917">TS</a>]
01:55:20 ◼ ► It's been some way for you to keep using your crap. In the short term. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6920">TS</a>]
01:55:23 ◼ ► And it was usable because the transition came with a big performance boost. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6923">TS</a>]
01:55:27 ◼ ► Whereas in this case if you're going from Intel to arm. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6927">TS</a>]
01:55:30 ◼ ► It's actually a little bit slower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6930">TS</a>]
01:55:32 ◼ ► and possibly a little harder gives not forking out a meaningless until setting for you exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6932">TS</a>]
01:55:36 ◼ ► So you're not going to have. I've extremely. You know good enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6936">TS</a>]
01:55:40 ◼ ► You know I can have good enough and you'll a sion speaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6940">TS</a>]
01:55:43 ◼ ► or translation speed of an intel binary run arm laptop like that's that's going to suck. And be either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6943">TS</a>]
01:55:50 ◼ ► Either not available at all or be pretty slow and probably unusable for a lot of people so I just I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6950">TS</a>]
01:55:56 ◼ ► I don't see why it makes sense to have this be arm. As long as Intel chips can get close enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6956">TS</a>]
01:56:03 ◼ ► and I think the I think they with the core am I think we're seeing they pretty much can like not the arm and leg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6963">TS</a>]
01:56:09 ◼ ► and hugely behind with the transition costs of of switching are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6969">TS</a>]
01:56:14 ◼ ► There's no clear reason right now why they need to me that transition there's no there's no massive gain to be had on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6974">TS</a>]
01:56:19 ◼ ► the other side that we can see right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6979">TS</a>]
01:56:21 ◼ ► Long term there might be and they might choose to make that transition at some other time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6981">TS</a>]
01:56:25 ◼ ► But and for for instance one of the biggest gains could be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6985">TS</a>]
01:56:30 ◼ ► but Apple's pretty sore with until right now because of the Broadwell delays have been delayed Apple's entire product line. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6990">TS</a>]
01:56:36 ◼ ► It's not so much of the store with them they just like the long term strategic advantage would be a good example on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/6996">TS</a>]
01:56:40 ◼ ► and control of the major technology is the blood of all the blood like that whole thing that's why because they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7000">TS</a>]
01:56:45 ◼ ► make that switch any time they want. I mean yeah yeah just are sometimes are like. If that like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7005">TS</a>]
01:56:50 ◼ ► If they did if they CAN I was in our machine. I think the message would be that this may be a longer transition. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7010">TS</a>]
01:56:56 ◼ ► But it will be a transition and eventually every single piece of hardware Apple sells will have an ARM C.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7016">TS</a>]
01:57:01 ◼ ► You designed by Apple in fad by our rabble can get to fab for them like that would be the long term vision is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7021">TS</a>]
01:57:07 ◼ ► short term who are going to suck for you because all for all there is a market is that it's not going to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7027">TS</a>]
01:57:10 ◼ ► emulate your stuff it's not going to be a huge increase in performance in fact it might be a dip. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7030">TS</a>]
01:57:14 ◼ ► But long term it's important for Apple the company to own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7034">TS</a>]
01:57:17 ◼ ► or control the major technology of the contributors products and Bob Law. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7037">TS</a>]
01:57:20 ◼ ► And that's a crappy message because you're like I don't care about Apple's long term strategy as some good products now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7040">TS</a>]
01:57:26 ◼ ► And it's not like Apple needs to do this to save itself from destruction like well I understand you gotta do what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7046">TS</a>]
01:57:31 ◼ ► gotta do Apple. I still I would still be like I was simply working with Intel. Working on Intel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7051">TS</a>]
01:57:40 ◼ ► Maybe by Intel if you have to like whatever you got a lot of money. Work something out because. Switching to arm. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7060">TS</a>]
01:57:49 ◼ ► Would be short term as in like the next few years. Not so great for Apple's customers and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7069">TS</a>]
01:57:55 ◼ ► Maybe this is not the best time to be doing that all right thanks a lot two or three sponsors this week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7075">TS</a>]
01:58:02 ◼ ► Casper hover an automatic. And we will see you next week. Now the show is over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7082">TS</a>]
01:58:11 ◼ ► They didn't even mean to be as it was accidental. It was accidental. John because it was that death was accidental. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7091">TS</a>]
01:58:42 ◼ ► Well it says so that's keep lists and the team article says the risk you need to hire an editor or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7122">TS</a>]
01:59:10 ◼ ► Weren't you an editor of Fortune editor for a while is that all that work. You can't be your own editor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7150">TS</a>]
01:59:16 ◼ ► I know I'm just I was senator for like five minutes and you could be your own editor. You can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7156">TS</a>]
01:59:24 ◼ ► And I quit that's part of the experience of being a blogger it's like you don't have a staff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7164">TS</a>]
01:59:28 ◼ ► Like you don't have people doing other stuff or you're doing it all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7168">TS</a>]
01:59:31 ◼ ► You're writing your conceptualized new thing you're assigned to yourself you're writing it you're editing your copy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7171">TS</a>]
01:59:36 ◼ ► editing you're putting into the C.M.S. You're running the web. Like you're doing the whole thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7176">TS</a>]
01:59:41 ◼ ► So I feel I mean you can't do as good a job as all of us an entire staff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7bvgo/7181">TS</a>]