00:00:00 ◼ ► Happy New Year and stuff. And happy birthday John Syracuse the forty years old house a feel to be an old man John. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► On my birthday today. It's That's person I'm a spoken to you since your birthday it's close enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► Beginning the year with a technicality. So we have some follow up. Let's talk about John's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/10">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► I was ten app window layering policy. Yeah shouldn. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/18">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► I shouldn't a little bit of research of this but I'll have you do the real time research for me so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/21">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► and our discussion. Like episode. A couple episodes ago about Windows and window. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/26">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► Management stuff like that one of the things that didn't come up that probably should have was the Austin window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/32">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► layering policy now. When you get Austin. If you've only ever used Austin. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/39">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► You probably just accept this as the way things work because it's sort of like how Windows works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/44">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► As and capital W Microsoft Windows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/48">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► You've got a bunch one doesn't screen if you click on a window that window comes to the front. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/51">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► And it comes and then you click another window in that window comes to the front of the other ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/55">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► and you know that it changes when a letter and changes in that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/58">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► I know it's ten if you click on the dock icon all windows from that application come to the front right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/62">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► and this is again if you've only ever used always thank you I guess what that's just how everything works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/67">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► And there are menu commands for hide others and. You can option click on something to hide. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/72">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► The previous thing to show the new thing and there's also it's a shortcut like about the people now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/78">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► but basically plain old unadorned click just brings it whenever to the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/82">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► and the the doc like brings all the windows the apt. Now back in the olden days. If my memory serves correctly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/85">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► When you clicked on the window. All the windows blowing into the application. Them to the front. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/93">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► So it was sort of the opposite of the behavior in a less tent where a special collect in this case a click on a dock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/98">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► icon brings in all the front but a plain old regular click just brings the. The particular window. Now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/104">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► Since I am and old person as we've already established. And I come from the old school Macworld. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/110">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► When I was ten it came out. I didn't like the fact that when I click the single window. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/116">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► Only that window can't with the front end because my window arranging habits and have been built up over years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/120">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► and years of using a regular Macin classic my cos I was used to the idea of being able to pull the windows of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/125">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► application forward by snagging a corner of one of the windows and then they would all come to the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/132">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► and sort of be like to lair policy writes Now you Klara visible window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/137">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► and then within all the windows of that application which are now visible take on that I wanted because they'd be tiled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/140">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► according to you know whatever. And so the whole much utilities that came out for us ten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/144">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► In the early days of us tend to let you switch this policy to make it so regular click brings all the windows of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/151">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► front and a modifier click. Does the other behavior. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/156">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► And I use lots of those utilities over the years I think the want to music now is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/159">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► I'm still using Ask them which was supposed to give you an application switcher menu which is like a classic macro us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/164">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► thing in the upper right corner of the screen I think that part doesn't work anymore even if it does I have a disabled. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/169">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► I just have the. You know they call it classic window. Setting set on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/174">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► And Shift key is the suppression key so if I click. Any Safari window. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/180">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► All the Safari windows come to the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/185">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► and if I click any terminal window all the terminal in those come to the front. But if I shift click. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/186">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► A window only that window comes to the front. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/192">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► And I'm not saying one of these policies is the right one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/195">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► or the wrong one because I think both behaviors are useful it's just a question of which one do you think should be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/198">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► And the defaults are really the matter that much either I suppose I could have got used to just going down to the dock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/204">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► I'm clicking but I was just so used to arranging my Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/208">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► and using them as these big quick areas to do stuff that this is one of the few sort of classic macro S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/211">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► Policies that I still haven't given up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/218">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► I guess it's probably like a little bit of a system have to do this when they're learning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/221">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► I think drag thing also either had are still has this feature and there may be other utilities to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/226">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► Listing I don't even know what this thing is doing whether it's us back or not but anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/233">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► If my window management sounded strange doing you've only ever used the last ten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/237">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► That may be a piece of information you're missing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/242">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► And I would imagine that both of you have never done this or use any or Teles like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/244">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► and would probably drive you crazy if you could get a single window and they all came to the front from that app. Yup. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/249">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► If you tried it's actually kind of neat. I mean you obviously do have to adjust your habits. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/254">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► Because you're not losing the ability to do the other thing you just have to you know shift quicker option quicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/259">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► whatever. Modifier quick you decide to make it but it does change the way things work it makes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/263">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► I think it makes the way I manage windows. A little bit more viable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/268">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► Like I think it's the correct the fault for the way I manage windows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/272">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► Problem maybe not the correct the faulty earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/276">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► but a lot of people have emailed them to eat at me since that show to say they were intrigued by my. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/278">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► My theories and like has grabbed my newsletter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/285">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► Are trying out different him and I didn't have a chance to respond to most. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/289">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► People sent in e-mails and tweets saying they wanted to try but what I felt like telling them is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/294">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► but here is the setting that I have had on my mac since the dawn of a tent you probably don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/301">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► and I think it's probably essential to the way I work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/306">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► The other thing I saw a lot of requests for was a screenshot of your mac and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/309">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► I'm assuming people wanted perhaps like an exposé screen shot so they could see the eleven gives Illian windows that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/316">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► I don't want to necessarily formally request that because you would probably have to obscure a bunch of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/323">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► but should you decide that you would like to share that I'm sure the world at large would love to see it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/330">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► but I can't I mean I can't explain shots of my screen because all my stuff is on my screen I don't want to go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/337">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► blanket all the windows and in the end it just looks like a bunch of windows. Like there's nothing to see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/341">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► To you'd maybe write to you and that's all looks like then it's like. Why don't you set a vid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/346">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► Make a video it's like well then again. And a video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/350">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► You'd be seeing all my stuff I don't show you all my stuff all my email my pads that I have a mess of like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/353">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► But on the feedback front of how much you've been following the feedback and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/359">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► but I tried to be vaguely scientific with following the feedback. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/362">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► And I had to say all the feedback that has come directly to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/366">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► but also through email that's not to the listening is been overwhelmingly positive in terms of people saying yes that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/369">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► exactly how I work all the old mac users and in those emails yes. Yes you're right that's how I work too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/376">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► And then the curious people who are like I never thought of the organ that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/382">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► but it sounds interesting to me very little negativity about it which is surprising is there how negative you to where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/384">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► I keep going back to the idea that. How many windows was it in Safari. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/392">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► One thousand or something like that that was astronomical. Like a that I might as well have said ten thousand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/397">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► So they were actually nineteen when to just not that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/403">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► and I thought maybe I'm crazy maybe not you wonder there's a lot of that everyone's like you kidding me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/407">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► I have always have tons of windows open to play. It's like having me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/411">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► Having if you have like thirty two gigs of RAM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/415">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► but you keep for windows open perhaps it's like Anyway I don't want to rehash the entire thing that it's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/416">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► better than whatever we have planned today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/423">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► Maybe you have gotten different feedback and I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/425">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► but I have been very surprised it is been overwhelmingly essentially on my side well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/427">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► Whether you know decisively on my side like yes exactly how I do things and it's the one way you do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/432">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► or people saying that sounds interesting I like to try it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/437">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► OK so the feedback I've seen the feedback I've seen there has certainly been some and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/440">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► I shouldn't even say some a pretty decent amount of people saying. Yes that's exactly what I do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/445">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► The John approach is exactly what I do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/452">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► But most the overwhelming majority feedback that I saw was my goodness that was hysterical. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/456">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► That was my favorite episode of A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/463">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► So far so for all of you who said that yes that's very nice of yeah I like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/465">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► but you can't categorize that because most of that was just like Hey I enjoy watching the parking lot was like great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/468">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► But it's not like they're not taking a side or position around that thing on the substance of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/472">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► but I don't categorize that what I did was I favored it as as a form of tracking all the ones that were all the tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/477">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► they were sent to me about it so if you go back to my favorites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/483">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► and skip over the other stuff looks like it's not related like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/485">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► I don't know if you can do this and to Twitter but scroll back to like the the week following the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/488">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► and just look at the huge amount of favorites that are in there. And I favor the ones that are against as well and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/492">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► You'll have a hard time finding a tweet Anyway that was against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/498">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► and the email to feed off from has also on the email directly to me was basically a hundred percent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/501">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► That people thought it was not created have one thousand windows open and by the way I will add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/507">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► and this is another things. People seem to forget. Like the idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/511">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► But I'm not closing windows as I think I said on the show as I think I'd actually did a real time on the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/514">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► We're going through like up like encloses wonder now because I'm done researching like the date that these things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/520">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► released or whatever the windows closed when I'm done with them so I'm keeping them around. Like for the hell of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/524">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► and so for example I have to Safari windows open that why do I have to Safari one is open to the been off for like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/530">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► week. And I've been at home and everything is cleared out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/535">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► And the only support windows open I have never in our stats windows that are sort of things that I'm currently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/538">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► monitoring and even those will close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/543">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► and I'm not currently monitoring them are like I'm still looking at the stats on my tender view just to see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/545">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► As it slowly. Tails off in the long tail. How it's doing it anyway. And chrome windows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/550">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► To minimize three non minimizing the minimized ones or yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/558">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► Using as a sort of like the Marlin manual here in boxes a To Do List which is a bad idea using Safari windows has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/562">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► to do list probably also bad idea. But I think it works pretty well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/569">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► And the difference between your email inbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/574">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► and Safari is your email inbox is subject to anything that I want to send to you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/576">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► Where is your Safari windows you have to open yourself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/581">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► All those the other before we get off the top to go here just me thinks a sick. River did a post some time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/585">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► The week after saying he'd had this tab open source. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/590">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► Since October to remind him to read his article in the family got around to it of any post a little linguist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/592">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► And everyone jumped on him and said You're using a circular winter technique to because he essentially had this window. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/598">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► How did the Windows thing open a tab like I'll get around to it some day and he did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/604">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► And I bet any read it and he posted it nobody close that window. It's either I can't I can't I can't do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/608">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► I'm not going to let myself get roped into this again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/615">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► So instead of move on to another piece of follow up unless Marco you have something to add. Nope. All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/618">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► How do you add to that. Yeah exactly. So I. The next we fall of we have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/623">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► I brought up the question I believe was last episode. Why would you run S.S.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/628">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► On a site like a solicitor com that all it does is display content. And then many people wrote in with what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/633">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► In retrospect was a reasonably obvious answer that I certainly didn't think of which is your. You could use S.S.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/641">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► To prevent injections. So say you're on an airplane and you're using one of the airplane wife I set ups. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/649">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► They could choose to inject ads. Into my website because they can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/656">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► There's no reason they couldn't whereas if I was running up to sell there's nothing they could do to intercept that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/662">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► There's also a bunch of like tinfoil hat conspiracy theories that go along with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/668">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► but the most obvious one that I saw are the most reasonable one I saw was preventing like an injection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/672">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► or any other sort of man in the middle sort of scenario. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/679">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► With even something that's brochure where so to speak like my site is. Yeah what's even worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/682">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► Is some wireless carriers are starting to inject ad tracking codes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/687">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► or like actually it's into the pages themselves so it isn't just if you're on a plane occasionally you might just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/692">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► like if you're any team here prizing customer like that we've seen. Certain things I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/699">TS</a>]
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00:11:54 ◼ ► H.T.M.L. Pages viewed over the over their data networks and that's really really horrible on so many levels and this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/714">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► So this could also help defend against that. That's not to like people send a screenshot that I didn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/720">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► I didn't over the don't travel a lot of that like that airline why five like when you're on the plane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/726">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► but you know Southwest banner over every single page that you're on like this is not this is not speculative this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/730">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► apparently a thing that happens and not unlike a senior kind of like Arisan secretly putting an H.T.T.P. Header. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/736">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► or something as in a giant banner for like in case you didn't realize that you're on a Southwest flight right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/742">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► Terrible super terrible. The idea that if you use a cell that no one can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/747">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► You know and can see the traffic or man in the middle you again with lots of unpatched. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/753">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► Perhaps unknown vulnerabilities out there I'm not sure how secure that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/758">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► but I can tell you that in the corporate world it is not uncommon for corporations to either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/763">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► Do this and not tell anybody or do it and tell everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/770">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► or try to do it until the employees revolt depending on what kind of company you're in to basically man in the middle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/773">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► Every single employee of the company by putting in an S.S.L. Proxy making every computer in the company. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/778">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► Trust the certificate. And they're basically and then the middling all your S.S.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/785">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► Traffic so you can like do online banking from home. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/788">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► Unless you're not unless you're OK with the ID department at your work knowing all of your passwords [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/791">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► and everything so as a cell is not a panacea. Excellent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/796">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► And then a final notes which may bleed from Follow up into an actual topic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/802">TS</a>]
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00:16:25 ◼ ► Other than that being your natural state. So last week I discussed that I had tried a new programming language sort of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/985">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► I had written. Beginnings of a feed crawler for to replace overcast P.H.P. Feed crawler to augment it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/994">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► I had written the beginnings of that. Inode. And I already knew. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► You know enough javascript to get by so it wasn't entirely learning a new language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► But it was at least in a new context using a new platform and stuff like that and for some certainly using javascript. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► Outside of the browser. I have been trying to make it work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► Really until today and this afternoon I think I finally am giving up now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► The problem I was trying to solve a mention last week so I won't go through it too far into it is that overcast feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► crawlers basically have to pull. About two hundred fifty thousand feeds now. And I like to pull them no. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► No less than once an hour. Each. And the ones are popular and to pull over a few minutes. So we're talking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► Probably I don't know a million feeds an hour. Something like that or more than that me maybe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► So it's a good number of like feed fetches per hour. And right now. I use two hundred forty P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► Processes that are crawling think they're pulling things off of the stalk you it takes tons of C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► Power takes tons of RAM you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► and it's you know this is I was not made for this word like the node event loop kind of model is way better suited for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► this kind of like large parallel crawling of network things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► and then you know keep on doing some work on them like it's. It's way better for that so much better suited for that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1076">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► Anyway so I tried node and I have been playing with that for the last week or so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► and I just can't get it to work properly I I have the crawler functioning perfectly fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► But I keep hitting either weird limits. That cause we're performance issues or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► The more common problem is memory leaks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► And that's the one that I've been able to solve all the performance problems all the weird. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► You know little edge cases all of the weird exceptions thrown from odd places that I can't quite figure out a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► for fixed all that. I still can't fix memory leaks and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► So well you know I could just like post a script on line and ask people Hey victim really for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► but ultimately I don't want to depend on a platform that seems so weird and hacky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► and what I what I found you know last week I mentioned how I didn't foresee myself rewriting the whole back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► or wanted to make a whole web app inode. Just because of like the nature of Web Apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► You know you make a data is your question the new. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► You know makes couple more in the new put things together like doing all that in a pure asynchronous for a framework is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► Clumsy and it leads to all sorts of spaghetti code and callback hell and everything like that and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► and not only that but I just don't like Javascript like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► I really don't respect it as a language I really don't like it's crazy object system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► There's a whole lot about javascript that I really don't like. Granted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► This is a little early for me to judge a whole language like this but it certainly seems like node and Javascript.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► You know that combo. Is really just as happy as P.H.P. In many ways and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► It seems like I'm taking a step sideways rather than a step forward. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► And I don't have a lot of faith in this combo for the future of my programming. Needs and career. So instead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► Tonight I started trying go. And I want to see how that goes I have literally have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► I've written like ten lines of code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► and so far haven't a chance to anymore so maybe ask me next week how that's going but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► And the reason I'm picking go right now to try next. It seems like the kind of thing that I would enjoy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► Based on their philosophies some of the decisions they've made. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► I mean obviously the language actually weird to make a dozen You see thousand texture everything and you know it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► This is the first non-SI syntax languages. I thought I'm learning in a very very long time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► I used to say that if I had to pick a new language today. It would be Python. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► And looking around the landscape today I think that would still be a reasonable choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► but there's no question that Python is aging. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► And there's always new languages that are coming out the do things differently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► That are more advanced in certain ways and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► I feel like you know I learn new languages so infrequently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► and the way I do it is I prefer to like really deeply master of a very small number of them rather than try a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► bunch of them and have some familiarity with all them. Because of that I'm afraid that Python will fall out of favor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► Sooner. By. You know possibly as much as a decade. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► Then you know compared something like go or node or roster or any of these newer languages. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► I could go that route and I might still get it right I don't know. We will see where this experiment and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► But I think what I'm doing right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► You know making this thing that has to crawl a whole bunch of feeds in parallel and then. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► You know read stuff out of the database know what to crawl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► and then write stuff into some kind of queue to hand it off to the rest of the app to do the rest of the processing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► I'm getting a pretty good feel like I think this might be a good task to try. In three or four different languages. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► You know what languages like to use on this kind of scale and how appropriate is it for this kind of task. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► Right now my try this and go I don't know if it's going to last longer use for this task. I hope it is. I like the way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► Go. Keeps the language itself seemingly fairly simple. It doesn't have to like generics. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► And a whole bunch of like new things like that that like all these like metaprogramming type features it doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► to have all those things I like that a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► I really prefer a language that can fit in my head and a language that is easy to as easy to read. As it is to write. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1316">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► And it seems like a lot of the new languages these are throwing that balance a little more towards the directions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► they're making it they're making all these like really really crazy little features little exceptions little communes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► is to make the code look really cool when you're writing it or or to make it make really good conference wides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► Hello world example really look at look at it look at what you can do in these two lines of code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► and it's all really dense and concise and do those cool things that I'm struck to weigh what's actually happening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► You know Globe scenes. And I don't like that style because it makes it very hard to both learn and maintain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► That's not that's not a style that's abstraction that's programming then why not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► when I use title switches then you'll know what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► when I run from from the source of the drain in the transistors I mean like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► I kind of understand what you're getting at in terms of constructs that may look unfamiliar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► but it's not like it's not a choice of styles like rain technique and drunken monkey deck make it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► The miners that are trying to have you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► Ways to express more with with less typing and the general argument in favor of that is history has more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► or less shown that the number of bugs per line of code written. Doesn't change too much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► So the only way to get your bugs is to reduce the number of lines of code you need to write to solve a given problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► obviously you can go to extremes there where your compressing things down to the point where it's not understandable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► So it is not a good example of that I don't think anything in the language makes it like this one line is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► incomprehensible I think the problem there is a swifter more like the problem areas of C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► Plus plus but like templates generics and operator overloading giving you the ability to make incomprehensible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► Mumbo jumbo but that's the opposite that's where there's more typing not less like when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► when you see some giant declaration with a million generic types. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1436">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► And then you can make heads or tails of it that is not concise that is verbose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► and that's why you have problems problems figure with else going on because you've got to parse a million tokens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► Not letting you do that type of thing you're never going to see the crazy prototype like that here and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► or even like blocks in packs or pointers to functions and syntax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► and see where you have to like sort of be the compiler in your head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► and parse stuff out make the language simple you won't see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► and that's something that you know for example Javascript has that going for it not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► There's not much you can type in javascript that is too complicated to look at where you won't even understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► programmer intent you may be surprised by what it actually does because of weirdness but you will get the intent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► Plus plus and swift and a lot of other languages sometimes you can hear what the intent is that without sort of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► You know parsing it like seeing yourself in your head to figure out what does exactly it will and also like. I'll It's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► I like to look at at some code that I'm reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► and be able to roughly tell what it does without having to jump around too much other code. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► And so if you have some crazy library or some crazy standard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► You know like a lot of these new language features that a lot that a lot of the more crazy dynamic languages. Offer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► There are a lot like C. Macros. Where it's like you could. You could define your own. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► And you know sending an operator allowance of a delay and generics. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► You could define like your own metalanguage on top of this language for your own code. And so if. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► If you if you're reading someone else's code written this language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► Or you reading code you wrote a year ago in this language when you're being a little too clever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► It can be really hard to figure out what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► or what cause a certain behavior seeing that's one the reasons I don't like rails. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► And one of the reasons I avoid back forever ago. Why David and I decided to write tumblr in P.H.P. Instead of rails. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► Was the Had a lot of that like like the mix and like a lot of the like behavior caused by things that are hard to find. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► And I'm sure it isn't like that anymore I don't know we'll look at it. We live. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► I literally we look at it once in two thousand and six for about a month. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► So tape take all that with a grain of salt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► but generally I don't like having all that magic that's hard to find it hard to follow when you're reading the code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► or when you debugging the code. That's why I like Lang languages like C. and Like Objective C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► Because most of that magic is not possible or at least as very very rarely used. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► and say it's macros macros make that a nightmare it looking at someone the I mean to give a great example try looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► at the Perl source code not like you know perl code but the C. Program that is the Perl compiler. Futebol. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► It is so filled with macros. It is almost nonsensical and macro people don't like macros for it with good reason. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► But if you take macros and take away all of the evil. Sort of text processing. Crap about them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► What falls out as list and people love lists and that list means you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► when you said if you look at a program it looks like you know some metaprogramming can't figure out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► That's why people love lists that you're centrally define a language to solve your specific problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► and then use that language. To to write your program and. And so the whole idea of Lisp is that you will. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1613">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► There is no sin taxes speak of as just you know. Fingernail clippings all the way down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► And you just sort of the find your own vocabulary. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► And if someone else has a look at that yes they would have to say I don't know this does not I mean that's that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► Vulcan any program it's kind of weird to hear you say that because you're working with like vast libraries of millions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► of lines of code that you A didn't write and B. Usually don't even have access to the source code to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► And that's the majority of the code in your program. I get over getting out of and. The problem I have is that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► Marco All I'm hearing you say is I want to remain a C. Program or for life. And that's OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► If that's what you want to do. But like you grumbling about generics which I know is just like an off the cuff example. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► But you grumbling about generics is is nails on a chalkboard to me because I love generics Now a lot of generics. I do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► And now I'm coming at this for I'm coming at this from C. Sharp. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► Where it's very mild and generics came to see sharp at a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1674">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► when everything was extremely strongly typed type inference wasn't a thing. And you had to cast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► Everything all the time. And it was the most annoying thing in the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► And to me generics are being extremely deliberates about what you're trying to accomplish. And. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► I just when you say when you say that oh you don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► You don't feel like all the codes where you expected to be in have to jump around in different files to find it all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► All I'm hearing you say is I want to be a procedural C. Programmer for the rest of my life. And that's OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► But gosh that's so limiting and I hope that that's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► I hope that's not what you're what you mean even if that's what I'm hearing you say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► No I mean that isn't what I mean however. You know like the languages I know I've either. Either they work this way or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► I've been able to make them work this way. What a my. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► My goal is ease of ease of reading the code and simplicity of keeping things small reducing cleverness. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1734">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► I am not a very clever programmer. I program things in pretty straightforward way is usually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► All the crease of cleverness that is that is infecting modern language design. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► It makes things look cool up front but it makes that really hard to use over time or with a team or with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► when maintaining code and. It's Or when using third party code. It gets very very difficult. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► I feel like a lot of this is complexity for its own sake. Or solving the wrong problems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► Well but your problem here is not a language problem. It's kind of a library problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► And it's mostly an implementation problem because like you have all the fun problems solved. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► I don't think a language matters at all that matters is the libraries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► and the sort of stability of the implementation of that language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► and can it handle because you're doing things in a fairly large scale and. You've got something that works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► But it's kind of around the creepy edges of what P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► and it's not particularly efficient as you saw we need to the node implementation it could be more efficient than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1796">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► node is young and it's flaky and has its own issues and. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► So like yours what you're looking for is something that will work with fewer with less like an S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► The node had fewer resources than P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► Did and so I think go is a reasonable thing to be looking at it as I said on Twitter and I wasn't actually joking like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► If you want to do this in par with any event which is a wrapper around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► Tons of event to libraries you could do that use the. And even wrap around the Evie. Libby via library. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► I think it would be fairly straightforward and so would you would your pearls Lucian. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► Be used your resources then the P.H.P. One. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► Probably because it would use a real event library written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► and see what it have fewer bugs in the node one probably because that library that C. Band module. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► Are all way more mature than the notable nation of it. But go would definitely be faster. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► But when you are you doing go you're left with OK well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► Am I going to use an existing event library am I going to sort of write my own event library because once you sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1855">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► writing your own event library and go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► You know if you're not going to use live event or Libby the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► or something like that then that's a media the worse it doesn't matter how good languages like no don't. Don't use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► Don't don't try to reimplement your own event library or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► You know directly with system calls into it like someone did that already what you just want to language that exposes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► One of these mature libraries there works really well in a way that's not buggy it doesn't leak memory that's fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► and so I would obvious a drive pro for us because I know there's a bunch of event library wrappers in fact there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► rapper that wraps like pretty much any event library called any event. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► And so you could go through like let me try seven different libraries with the same program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► and if they all suck you like well that didn't work you know I haven't done a vent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► or been programming apparel anything more than like a trivial thing so I can't tell you whether it will actually work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► but I can tell you that it's old enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► and been around long enough that there's a million wrappers for about libraries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► and maybe that would help you narrow down which event library you want to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► and then you can just write against that one and see what your He's also talked about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► Hey let me go to live and then let me read it right against it and see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► But I've also heard that live event is not the best event library if you're looking to do that so with alarm work it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► was just saying that he wrote it I'm Jack of zero. Wrap around Libby v to do something similar. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► I think that's what's going to come down to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► Is there the language has something like this built in his company to mention Erling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► or whatever like has some sort of parallelization event the type of take making efficient use of C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► when You're going to when a lot of things are going to be an IO wait. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► Either has that built into the language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► or has a really good stable wrap around one of the other low level libraries the does this for you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► Yeah well I mean and. It should be you know. In case the implication here was not clear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► I'm not just looking first listen to this one problem. I'm also looking for a long term replacement to P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► but that's I don't think this is a great example for that because it is so you find something that does really good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► in this it still doesn't say OK now I'm going to write all of the all the stuff used to write in P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► I'm going to writing go I don't think you would do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► but I go could be an appropriate choice for this provided you get the event stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► Now then and the same token Where you to get a handy little solution of this. In Perl. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► or something doesn't mean you would say OK now I'm going to rewrite all the speech religion Perl because that would. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► Well I think I would still be a big upgrade but anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► You're probably not well in addition to Pearl having many of many of the same problems that I just cited with P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► and Python. I just would feel like it would feel like a sideways step. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► I know what I was I was suggesting it just as because you were at the point now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► or you're like look I want to solve this problem without using two hundred forty P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► and you lot of resources like an economics like a single purpose probably I have a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► This is there's actual impact to me implementing this better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► Node look like it was going to do a but has a little flaky. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► Try a few other things this could be one of those things you try. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► And the reason you will do the things I do the reason I'm able as one person to run a web service. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► With a few hundred thousand users and I.I.S. App and be able to keep up with them. Semi OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► Is because I don't spend a lot of time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► You know experiment in with new languages a new systems and making things just for fun. Most of what I do is to serve. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► The things I'm working on. And so like I don't want to go on an expedition. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► Trying to learn a bunch new languages to try to pick the best one for just this one task. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► I want to be able to leverage this to use this to basically build up my toolkit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► and modernize this one very ancient part of it because I know that P.H.P. Is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► I look I could keep using it for a long time it's going to be around for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► but I do keep running into things that it's bad at. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► And I recognize that as I said last episode I really don't have a lot of faith in the quality of the direction it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► going. And there are lots of the languages that I that I should be considering. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► I actually heard from Russell Ivana fiction and one of after you say last name I try to remember and try to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2092">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► He's one of the guys in shifty jelly one of my competitors in the pod cast as based in the pocket cast and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► He's the nicest guy in the world and he told me privately. They crawl. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► What sounded like a pretty impressive number with a pretty impressively low amount of hardware. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► And they do it all in Java. I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► Anything about jobs in the modern day to lessen my use Java was in Computer Science want to one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► Back in two thousand and one. Maybe people told me that I should be looking at C. Sharp for this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► And Casey I'm curious to know what you think about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► but you know there are lots of the language like we're looking at right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► I don't know if Casey what if you were faced with this problem. What would you do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► I think the first thing I'd do is I would try to write it narrowed and and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► I thought you had said on Twitter that the issue that you're having with node. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► Is that getting getting the process to start again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► Is is where everything's going wrong like the set Timeout is what's breaking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2156">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► Is that while the sun timeout is eventually leading to memory leaks is that a fair statement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► Oh it immediately to memory leaks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► It's like every every set Timeout is for some reason it seems to be that it's capturing the scope of its calling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► Scope. And it's really like retaining its calling scope even though. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► It's just like it's just calling a function like you're not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► It's like I don't see why it needs to retain anything that's at in the calling scope. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► But for some reason it isn't if you search around for for nodes that timeout or set. Interval. Memory leaks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► You see a bunch of other people having problems like this and some of the. Some of the fixes look like bugs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► To me like some of them are like well if you. If you set. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► If you do if you just call set timeout then you'll get a leak but if you assign to a variable save our T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► Equal set Timeout. Then the doesn't leak. There's a bunch of weird stuff going on with the way this captures things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► Either it's a bug or it doesn't make any sense or both. Either way. That is a big problem for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► I don't want to have to keep fighting issues like that in a language I'm going to invest much time into Also again what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► I said before is like idling javascript. And I I don't. I don't foresee this dealing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► My long term replacement for P.H.P. So I feel like I'm kind of wasting time doing a whole bunch in it. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► I think the reason I brought that up is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► If the only issue you're having with no doubt boils down to just tickling that node process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► and getting it to do its thing. Then. Couldn't you fire that from P.H.P. and Have no do the crawling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► Will know the whole idea here. And what I want to ask on Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► Am I doing this wrong or like a descent timeout like just not work without leaking memory and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► I got a few I got a bunch of responses from node programmers. None of them use it all of them trigger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► Recurring schedule of schedule events with like X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► Turn all cron tasks that call into the node with a web request or something like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► Yeah that's basically what I'm trying or Lee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► or they use things like there's something called I think node chrono something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► and I believe you look at the source. It's using set Timeout internally. Like that it's basically the only option. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► All I need to do is. I need to crawl. For all these feeds each of them has a T.T.L. That I calculate. I calculate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► When the next one should run. And I say call me again. With this ID in this many seconds. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► That's it that's all I have to do. So they shouldn't be nesting. They're not stacking up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► I verified that like there it's not like it's not like they're there like not being cleared. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► And so like making more and more calls per second it's not doing that it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► It's just something about the memory capture but again this. That that's honestly like I'm sure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► I'm sure a note expert could could look at this and possibly fix it I it's more that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► I don't want to keep investing in a language that is clashing with me on such a fundamental level. And that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► I don't feel certain my long term goals. Yeah and I really want to defend node. Because I have not done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► Overwhelming amount of node programming but the programming I've done in node I really like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► I want to defend javascript because although it is full of landmines and pitfalls and bottomless pits. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► It is actually to me anyway fairly funder right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► But if I were in your shoes I'd probably be coming to a similar a similar conclusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► and it certainly sounds to be a pragmatic conclusion. Regardless. To go back and answer question what about like C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► Sharp. Well that's that's challenging because the. The right way to do it if you're going to do it in C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► Sharp is to run. You know. S.P. Net I S. The whole Microsoft stack in no rush. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► It Right and you have no interest in that and honestly if I were in your shoes. I wouldn't have any interest in that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► when I was doing for fun programming in my own time that I was going to have to pay for what I did I used C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► Sharpen a speed on it. Hell no I didn't because I didn't want to stand all that op ed enough Todd. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2396">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► Didn't want to have to worry about all that. So we'll see sharp as a language actually I think would. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► but the problem is you've got all the periphery to deal with that I don't think you would enjoy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► Now of course you could take the approach of well let me look into Zambia and flesh mano and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► That might work to be honest I'm now outside of my comfort zone because I work in the Microsoft stack so I don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► know a lot about the Zamfara and mano. The way that would be deployed. But it's worth looking into I don't think C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► Sharp is going anywhere anytime soon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► I don't know enough about go to be able to say yes that sounds like an excellent choice of something that has long term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► viability. I think node is certainly very trendy right now in the same way that Python and Ruby have been in the past. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► But to your point earlier are Python and Ruby going. To remain trendy. I don't know. And is no going to remain trendy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► I don't know. And although it seems a little weird to me to throw no doubt entirely because of set time Al. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► I can also understand how that's the straw that's breaking the camel's back so if I were your shoes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► I honestly don't know what I would do I guess I would try to go and see how it works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► But Jesus it's how it's a tough call. I'm not sure what the right answers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► Understand entangling both of these things up with each other find a new language replace P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► That's going to be worth your while long term. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► And solving a specific problem is over complicating it think those are two things that you should do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► And I don't think you need to be combined. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► It's something to be nice if you're buying that I can understand it as I like Oh if I could get them you know two birds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► with one stone. But the needs are so different I mean like on the one hand for example. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► The best bet for a new language for you to learn that you're going to have two years later is probably at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► swift and not because you're going to use your place peacekeeper because Apple's going to make you use it to you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► Also but but because with does not open source there's nothing about so if they can go on the server yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2514">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► And so I I'm going to have to maintain these two languages like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► Yeah I know you do you still need something to replace P.H.P. But yeah exactly good at like Swift. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► But that aside you're probably gonna need to do that maybe look into it to see if it helps you here maybe does maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► doesn't probably won't. Then you've got the problem of what do I need to replace P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► and Then you've got the problem of what do I do short term to make this crawler takes your resources. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► Well I would also point out. I tweet share this last week on during during the break. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► Last episode of core intuition was really good I'd look at the number open the show notes were day no jacket mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► Reus we're talking about swift and. And like how safe is it to use with today or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► How safe is it like to invest a whole lot of time in Swiss today. And they rightly pointed out like we do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► We don't actually switch is not a sure thing yet we it it is a thing that is out there that Apple has put out there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► But they've also put out things like garbage collection in Objective C. Things like the Java bridge back forever ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2574">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► That ended up being axed. Only a few years down the road they just weren't working out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► We don't know switch is actually going to be here for the long term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► and actually be the eventual replacement for just a C.S. All we know is that it seems like that's the goal right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► But this is not the first time something like that has come around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► Apple certainly in a better position now than they were in the other alternatives came around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► but we'd like it is not a guarantee that Swift will be the next thing for just of C. Programmers like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► All this is like. We're trying something now and I would point out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► We seem to be in a somewhat turbulent time at Apple. In addition. I mean God. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► Looking at how strained their engineer resources are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► It does seem like a terrible time to to introduce you to language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► Just for them like not you not even just for us I mean we've you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► We'll deal with that whatever they do but it's better to think Swift is much stronger. Of A. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► If you had to bet on one of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► You just named all bunch in the job a bridge job or it was done from a position of weakness. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► Because it was like maybe people on used these crazy square brackets that is of super weak position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► and they were just trying to get be able to develop for their US. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► Garbage collection was always kind of half heartedly pushed it was like we're making garbage collection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► and maybe will dog food here and you should make your apps work with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► but then they couldn't even convince all Apple internal library people to use it for the library to make them garbage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► like and say it was just it was never like the amount of publicity and the push behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► and the specific team behind swift as like their their team that has you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► Proven that they can get things done with an Apple having changed their whole compiler infrastructure over several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► years and it was in a keynote. But you know it was also in the keynote. We're going to the standards bodies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► And we're going to make Face Time and open industries didn't have enough Did Steve Jobs than random things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► Things like this. This is of all of the sort of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► Major technology based things I would say this is even stronger than like by the way you should build your with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► obscene project builder. Like this was this was more emphatic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► Than project building is it took them a while to get in fact I think it basically took them until they had the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► Code Name to say no this is it. This is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► You know we're telling you like we're completely taking over the compiler infrastructure which they were from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► beginning anyway but they were kind of timid about you know especially coming off the whole a cold warrior thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► and everything. My recollection anyway is that they were X. Turnley not shoving it in your face that.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► By the way if you're going to develop applications for our platform you're going to use our I.T. And our compilers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► Because they were in transition period there and eventually said no you're going to use our stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► and to emphasize that is called Xcode announce that a project builder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► and you're going to deal with that Swift was very bold and very strongly backed and you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► I would say that the thing should be wary about using it now is they've said they're going to just constantly break the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2755">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► syntax and they could all be so all those weird things. Having to do with source code compatibility. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► Well and the tools are very amateur right now in the performance of the compiler sucks all the heavy stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► and yeah there's plenty of reasons they weren't but like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► This is just so much stronger than the other things you've listed so even though those things have happened in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► The problem a swift is the opportunity cost of not doing it seems much higher like you could sort of say All right well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► They're still supporting Objective C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► Right sort of to do this job of thing we'll see how that shakes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► and the garbage collection is like well wait to see what haven't you can do it was swift to let me say wait to see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► Apple actually in one sense but. But even if there is Apple and book like it's first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► You know swift only library or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► Even then I still think you could potentially sour and I'm all in a sweat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► and I could still change their mind so I think we have probably three years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► To be sure but I I think the degree of confidence in swift being a thing whether it's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► or not the fact that Apple's going to stick to it. It's pretty high this point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► Yeah and plus I don't know Apple's history with like Metro works cold warrior and stuff like that I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► but certainly it seems like a lot of the moves they've been making over the last five to ten years probably five ish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2824">TS</a>]
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00:47:19 ◼ ► claiming to work on all of these things that make up the swift toolchain do it seems like a very deliberate multi-year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2839">TS</a>]
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00:47:31 ◼ ► but geez it seems like that's a lot of work to be thrown away just for fun. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► And of course they have the big problem that they throw it away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► Just say OK well back to object Recy retreat to safety. They need as I've said many times the need something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► And you know they can't you can't stick with objects here forever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► This was too soon should they retreat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► and advance again in a couple years in the future I think they're already behind and they need something like swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/2873">TS</a>]
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00:50:39 ◼ ► There are enough. I would like to time permitting talked. Talk about your new i Pad But before we do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► John lunch tell us about some survey that's been going on lately. I think that the survey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► Because I don't have any apps in any of the app stores I soon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► I don't know if it was sent to everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► but a lot of people got a survey from Apple asking them questions about the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3055">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► and the building tweeting little pictures of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► I want to talk about the survey in general but one specific part of the survey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► Screenshot it and sent to us by Joe Seeger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► This is a question from Apple services which are the top three most effective marketing channels in driving down those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► So that's going to how do you get people down without finance are tons of choices not just one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► And as literate are in this picture that shows the second choice unless the first choice is in app messaging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► and other choices like email P.R. Community social media television print. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► You know all the different ways that you get people to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► and down the drop the second choice is pushing notifications. And so it's great because you know I write is a trap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► And then you check push notifications everybody checks does not have a case and gets a little email from Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► You've indicated that the most effective marketing channels part of the geisha is you may not be aware of a section by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► points like says that you can use person of occasions for marketing purposes and blah blah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3117">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► Or does the person who wrote this question have no idea that that rule exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► and is merely reflecting the reality that push notifications are a common marketing channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► or some combination thereof or like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► It's just it's baffling to me talk about you want to not know what the other is doing you can't tell from the question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► whether it's you know. Another situation where some department doesn't understand another department or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► It's maybe they just like one just be honest and just see how many people will check that as there as I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► It confuses me greatly but markets you get the survey. I did and I honestly I don't even if that was in mine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► I didn't even notice it I just blew right past it probably. I honestly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► I mean it's pretty clear from so many things that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► It seems like the only person an apple who even thinks that rule exists. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► Maybe is the person who wrote that document which might have been Steve Jobs or isn't even there anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► I don't think I mean. The rule against push notification spam is is sadly. Such a joke that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► I wish it was and we will over this month as I wish it was enforced. I really do I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► I think everybody would be better off especially Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► and its customers would be better off if that rule wasn't forced. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► Because the App Store and I.O.U.'s is turning into such a spammy flea market of garbage. And it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► It's annoying it's your phone it's full of ads now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► This is this is completely the opposite of what I what I think Apple would would want to encourage him to tolerate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► But now your phone is full of ads. Because of this. Primarily because of his one rule being flagrantly ignored. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► It is literally a way to push add to your phone. Whenever somebody feels like it with nope with no penalties. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► How often do you get these sorts of ads. And I'm asking honestly because I get this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► Once a month maybe like I do not receive these that often now they infuriate me when I do get them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► but it doesn't happen that often doesn't happen that often for you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► Well it doesn't happen that often to a lot of nerds like us because we usually either don't use the kind of apps that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► show the most often or we turn them off but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► That is not representative of the population at large if you see it we talked about before that if you see like normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3251">TS</a>]
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00:54:24 ◼ ► notification screen if they're willing and see what's there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► You'll see they are extremely common in your brand big brand that and games free to play games and you know it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► So as being a common the survey here is the first survey about the apps or you've ever received Marco. Yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► and so this seems from the outside looking in just seeing the stories about this that is this is like a response from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► someone inside Apple to all of like the bad press that the App Store isn't getting lately with the current cycle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► rejections and people complaining and so on is of course so I disagree entirely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► You think it's just a it was I was going to ask like is it something we do every year. Know why now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► I think it's something that the that like the app store marketing team decided to do on their own basically I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► think this has anything to do with the developer policies I don't think you know it's like we all posted on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► like what we said in the final question which is like is there any other feedback you like to give Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► Of course you know all those developers unloaded on them with like well here's all the ways the app store sucks and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► I don't think this is going anywhere I don't I think this is going to a giant black hole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► and I think the marketing team. And I see what's going to happen from the thing why send the survey. Now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► or is it because this is part of some like we're getting a lot of press so first thing we need to know is like where do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► we stand is it just a bunch of cranky people ever let just gather information send out a big survey that it covers all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► and see what we get back because just looking at a bunch of news stories a cranky developers don't tell you anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3356">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► because this thousands and thousands of developers like five of them are angry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► And so they're just gathering information not like they're going to take this information and do anything with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► but I think this is a first. Seems to me. This is a first step and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► Let's see where we really are because I can imagine inside Apple the argument is and always is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► That's just a bunch of cranky people that's just a website that doesn't like us that's just someone going for page it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► not actually big deal we have hundreds of thousands of developers ninety nine point nine nine percent of them love us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► and think we're awesome in the App Store is awesome and everything is great. This is I can imagine B.P. Saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► And you just. We just have to manage the squeaky wheels with good P.R. and Stuff like that to realistically speaking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► Everybody loves us. Our developer SAT is awesome. And just like that's what that's what I tell it you know what I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► And for all we know that could be true so the first step of someone could say is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► but I don't like reading stories so step one prove to me that's the case survey all the developers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► Well see what the several results say and if they say like ninety nine percent love us and one percent hate us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► Then you know I'll believe you but if not then we'll have further discussions. I would believe that might be the case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3416">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► If I didn't go through the survey. But having gone through the survey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► It is pretty clear that this was written by marketing people. Not developer relations. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► I don't remember if I got it but I certainly saw the survey because we we have certainly seen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► Pretty much the entirety of the survey I thought was only two or three pages right. Nose long it was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► I probably twenty screamed the. Oh then maybe. I clearly have not seen it then but the pieces I saw just reeked of me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► Reeked to me. Of marketing speak. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► and I agree with you Marco that this was marketing acting on its own just trying to figure out what to say to the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► was I don't think this is any big conspiracy or anything like that but concern about some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► but I have some give me examples on the question for all the questions about the like how do you market your app yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► And how can we help you market your app better basically basically yeah like it was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► It was not I mean I could be wrong but it really did seem like this was like some ab store marketing team. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► Doing their own research for their own department [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► and it was not a it didn't seem representative of the developer program as a whole of the App Store as a whole caring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► what developers thought about the App Store and the like. It really did seem like it was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► and nothing more than that which is a survey about how you market your apps like that that really seemed like that was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► That was it was there anything in there about like find ability in the search and stuff like that very little. Now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► A lot of it gets overshadowed you're right by like the people posting the like the free response thing where you type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► whatever you want. And ever and just dumping a pile of turns on the Apple store a step. And not the other questions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► But. So if it's just a marketing department. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► Like I still question you know it's not like every individual department can decide to e-mail every single developer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► Whenever they feel like it or like a lot of enough developers that. You know it seem like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► All the big names got this right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► That seems like something that is not that you need a higher level OK about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► and maybe it was just the marketing department. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► but why would you give the OK for like I'm sure every department wants to do this I'm sure you know everyone would love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► to marry my all developers and ask him questions about whatever they're there are things developer relations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► or the frameworks team has sent a how you like in this framework that we just made thought the survey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► but you can't everyone can you know every single developer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► And you know Schiller's organization I guess got the go ahead to send a twenty page. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► Thing that's mostly about how you market your apps I don't know. Well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► Schiller's organization is the developer organization. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► But it's also marketing right the entire developer relations division at Apple is under marketing which is under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► Schiller. Which is part of the problem. Honestly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► But that's looking back I'm saying like of us if you said this is just marketing and not developer relations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► but as long as the same department maybe the questions were just bad maybe you feel like the question should have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► asking more about the stuff that you wrote about in the summary thing at the end. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► Instead of just asking you how you advertise your applications the people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► That was there are questions about like how do you deal with the reviews on the SO I DON'T YOU should just post post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► the full survey so we can all of the questions. Yeah I mean I go back I do not like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► I got like five or six of these links and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► I don't even check to see like what emails they are going to but maybe I'll go back and screenshot every page. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► It's excessively boring. Like it's really it's extremely dull and it. It is really mostly a marketing survey. It. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► I don't think the purpose of this was was what you're saying however there was something interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► I think posted a few days ago on December thirtieth to developer news feed here impatiently going to Chad here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► Look at there's I don't know if you guys caught this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► I was I was I was away on vacation so I didn't blog about it yet but which might be the pulpit. If you look at this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► This is a quick thing I'll just read it's pretty short the quick thing posted to the apple developer news feed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► Posted on December thirtieth. Titled getting help with at previous and rejections. So here's the entire text of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► I was going to now available after the holiday shutdown. Please remember. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► If you need to appeal an average action a request that they review your app be extradited. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► The fastest way to get help us tickets to contact the app review team to the Contact Us form. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► To us projection details and asked for clarification visit resolution center and i Tunes connect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► We look forward to seeing the innovative new app you'll create in two thousand and fifteen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► Really forward to seeing them. And maybe rejecting them. Right. So. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► So this this this I think is much more interesting than the market. What do you think this angle is this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► and so I think this might be I mean obviously you have to read a lot to do leaves here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► It might be if they leave ailed threat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► But if you read it if you realize if it's a threat it kind of works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► and says the fastest way though it doesn't say it runs the press never helps anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3714">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► or ever the phrase wasn't in the guidelines doing it it is not as fast aggressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► or as aggressive aggressive as those things are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► It reads more like a reminder to like their developers out there who don't know about the resolutions on their I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► It's very easy to read this as a threat but I think this my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► and maybe this is just me being optimistic about this kind of stuff. I think this. This might be the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► The kind of implied Mikol pup on some of the recent rejection crap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► I think this might be like hey guys you know don't worry we're getting it under control I don't know maybe again maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► that's unreasonably optimistic What do you think I read it the same way that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► This is them saying Alright alright alright everyone relax. Have rewon relax. Just let us know Wolf Ixia. It'll be OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► But millions a frustrate me that Apple so institutionally crotchety maybe. I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► It's like why can't they just say hey guys you know we've heard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3776">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► We have seen that there's been some questionable choices on our part. We're going to fix it. Like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► Is being vulnerable really that bad I know it'll never happen by chance step one admit no wrongdoing. Yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► I mean like that's not that's not apples Emma like they have admitted wrong to me for even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► when they think they're wrong again and again everyone gets a free Bunbury even though as we think it's not a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► but in general this specific part of Apple Apple of you does not admit wrongdoing in like the whole it you know lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► deck your app and then you make a big fuss about animal accept it and then like that that cycle happens. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► And there's never a part where Apple comes out and you know sort of bears its soul and says we've thought about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► and we've you know how do you like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► The admission of wrongdoing guess is OK now your app is back in the store but it's like. This isn't a systemic problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► This is a one off case that just didn't happen to go right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3836">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► And it being in the process nothing to do with the getting fixed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► Is just one of those things that happens and oh well it got fixed and don't worry about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► and I just that happens repeatedly over and over again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► and there's never any sort of public acknowledgement that this might be a thing and not just like well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► Those things just happen sometimes. And that's what frustrates people so much that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► That part of the our innovation is a so different than individual Apple employees which as we all know are human beings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► they're actually forthcoming and B it's not like the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► The larger corporation in terms of when they make design mistakes or. When they have you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► Large scale problems like the labor difficulties in China. A diversity within the organization things that Apple has. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► You know fallen on its face about. And they come back and say we're not doing well I often diversity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► Where the Greenpeace yelled at them and I thought it was unfair and they got you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► but you know we are going to make us stuff better before we were sent in our better labor practices we're going to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► to be more transparent there we're going to do you know. All of the situations where Apple did something wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► And it's publicly trying to do it better by the minute that the past was bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► The present is bad and trying to get better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3897">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► But there's never anything like that having to do with apps or of you at least not public. Know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► Well because again this is longer Schiller I mean if you think about the kind of public persona that Schiller shows me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► I don't know any about the guy. You know non publicly but what he shows publicly. He is kind of like this you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► Terse quiet guy who doesn't appear to be ever having any fun. I mean even like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► Even in his presentation in the last few years. Is just me or does he just kind of seem angry. Like it's. It doesn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► You don't get you know. Like if you look at this person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► Knowing he's the one in charge of this organization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► and knowing that he does have a lot of direct involvement in some of these decisions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► It's no wonder that the attitude we get is just a brick wall with with occasional terseness coming out and not really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► Openness or friendliness because that appears to be the public persona Phil Schiller shows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► That's not a temp that's not him cook at all the cooks persona [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► and I think Tim Cook's persona has been infecting more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► and more of the sort of higher level entire corporation Apple stuff just of this is a corner of the corporation now so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► the tire cooperation is diversity labor practices. Finances. You know like the environment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► That is big picture stuff human resources like. Geraghty all that stuff that is big big picture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► You're hopefully they'll be filtering down to the smaller things and of course like the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► You know the whole management reshuffle and collaboration is more important than unifying things under Johnny I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► but it just that that influence in that tone seems not to have made that review yet. No I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► I honestly as long as Phil Schiller is in charge of the division that. After a view was under. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► I don't foresee any major changes in this area. Because I really do think it goes to him and I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► I think he's the one who is who is in control to fix this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► and seems to believe that the way they're doing it is the correct way to do it. Now that's. I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► Part of the reason that we all love apples because everything is so secretive an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► and you never know what's going to come next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► but I don't know I feel like holding on to that Apple is perhaps not the right approach anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► But they're not the underdog they're not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► You're not the apple they once were and they're bigger than they once were and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► It's probably unfair for me to prescribe what Apple should do from. From my chair here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► The other coast but I'm not going to let that stop me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► It just seems like can we get a little more feedback and all icky perfecting on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► and I'm not the first person realize this is that when we all left over the sea this year we were all so amped up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► and so excited and so. Reinvigorated and then I feel like six months later all grumpy again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► Maybe just because we are all grumpy people in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► but I don't think so I think we really were excited about all this stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► And how open they seem to be becoming and how they seem to be listening to us and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► Now six months later it's like Oh we're back in this same dull grind. That we're always in and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► That's just not a fun place to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► It's just not in part of the reason that we are also attracted to this environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► and attracted to writing apps for this platform is because it's fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► and God are they working hard to suck the fun out of it. Yeah. I feel right now but Apple development. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► The way Phil Schiller sounds on stage at the live most recent you know it's completely on amused I'm bored. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► Like just kind of like going through the motions get like kind of like almost angry laid it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► It like the mood has shifted from the Craig Federighi that we saw at the river D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► Showing us all the cool new technical stuff to the marketing hammer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► Being dropped and saying no this is how things should be this is not how things should be. Period. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► You know back to old. I mean look Phil is all tool Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► He was under job he's been there for very long time like he is. He represents that. That attitude Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► And you look at the leadership like you know Ben Thompson thought about this like a lot of the of the leadership has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► changed. He's one of the oldest SEPs there now our longest running at least. And I really do think like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4134">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► This is how this department is run. This is how he thinks is the right way to do it clearly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► Otherwise he would be doing it this way I mean he has enough power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► and govern he could change if he wanted to so we know this is how they think they should be running the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► or this division rather. So obviously like this goes to fill. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► This is all under Phil Phil is the guy who's Ponselle for this being this way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► and the guy who could change if you wanted to. But he's wanted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► And maybe that's it look at seems to working OK again like you know edge of a coup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► or read a sale what they should do obviously they're doing something right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► But certainly it's not right for developers A is right for Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► Probably maybe long term it's questionable but it is right for them for now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► It benefits the users in certain ways but not others. But you know overall it's probably a benefit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► But yeah you're right I mean the the overall attitude is pretty negative. And it's pretty stifling and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► I think that that ultimately is what is going to cause. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► Possible long term problems for Apple you know they they really do depend on developers to to push the boundaries for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► what their platforms and not just the phone but especially the i Pad and probably also in the future the watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► They really. They need us to make reasons for people to buy these things. The phone is an easy success. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► Because it's a really good smartphone. And everybody by smartphone. They're subsidizing so much of the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► Everyone has a decided they need one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► I mean smartphones are this magical business where everyone buys them because their diggers provide so much utility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► and everyone is willing to spend whatever it takes as long as they can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► Which is a lot of people do this with are so cheap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► They're willing to do it because smartphones are just so there is very big with us so the only. The question isn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► Do I buy a smartphone the question is which smartphone do I buy. And so they can compete well there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► If you look at the i Pad the i Pad is like. It's optional. It's an accessory for most people it's and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► It's a luxury it's it's an extravagance. It's a fun device it is usually not your primary computer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4253">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► And usually most people don't say I need to have an i Pad It's only a question of which rather I need to have a tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► only question of which one do I buy. No it's. It's just an extra The watch is going to be that same thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► Most people I don't think wear watches and certainly the the ones who do are watches today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► I don't think it's an obvious thing to say well I have to get a smart watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► Like they think the watch is going to have the exact same challenge the i Pad has of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► It's going to have to justify its purchase. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► It is coming from zero it is not going to be like a phone where they just have to pull people into the store who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► already buying their phone anyway. The watch is going to be like you have to tell me why I want this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► And so much of that rests on what developers do. What apps are out there. So many people end up buying these devices. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► Because of one or a very small number of specific apps that run on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► And if developers keep getting marginalized and restricted to sue severely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► It's very hard for us to push those platforms forward. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4316">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► It's very and it becomes less likely that the next big thing is going to be an eyewitness. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► And how does that help Apple. You know I agree and I think perhaps the most obvious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► And specific example of this is watching. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► Everyone's reactions to watch kit and a lot of popular developers and I wish I could think of a specific person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► but I can't off top my head but a lot of big developers have said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► Yeah it looks cool but no men to wait and see how this shakes out before I do anything real. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► And that is a different reaction than I remember ever having seen before. Like when the i Pad came out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► If nothing else. Everyone said holy crap I'm going to make an i Pad app so I can be a part of the gold rush. Where now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► Hearing a lot of really popular developers say. Well we'll see how it goes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► And that's that's not where Apple wants to be right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► and you know what Apple has shown this fall with all day I would hate stuff and all the crazy rejections. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4376">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► Racing forward to be first to market is not necessarily a good idea. And that's I think that feeds into this like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► And now. Now we're seeing watch that we know it's going to be a new device it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► It's very restricted with what you can do up front. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► You know there can be more he believes added over time but like all the crazy policies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► and rejections that we've seen for Iowa so far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► The watch is going to have its own set of those it's going to it's going to reset from zero it's going to have it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► entirely new set of weird decisions Apple has to make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► Many of which the developer community will disagree with and bloggers will get angry about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► We're going to start over starting from scratch here and all the same people who cause all this stuff with I.I.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► Rejection so far this fall. They're all still making the decision they're also making the calls. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► And so the same system them play it's going to have the same problems of his new platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► The only question is will the watch sell enough. So you know we were all here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► Because a most most I.O.'s developers of all i OS developers use I.O.'s devices themselves like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4436">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► These are the vices we choose to have. So that makes us already right they're encouraged to develop for them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► And then secondarily. Although it's mattered more if you're become pany. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► There are so many of them out there they sell so ridiculously well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:17 ◼ ► That it is that it's just a good business idea to target them. In many cases or in most cases. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4457">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► The watch we don't know yet. And the the watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► We don't know if developers are going to end up loving them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► or if it's going to end up being like what a lot of us say about the i Pad which is like God only use that much ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► you know ever since the big phones came out or whatever. We also don't know if they're going to sell very well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► That's a big question mark right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► They might sell like crazy they might be blockbusters and we might be we might be looking back at this episode. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► In six months and laughing at how pessimistic we might have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4485">TS</a>]
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01:14:53 ◼ ► They just might not sell that well for a while if ever and we don't know. And you know be because of the attitude. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4493">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► That they have shown developers. I mean since the being the app store really. This. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► but it is special because of the recent mood among the community of like all of this chilling effect coming from all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► I think that makes it even that makes us even less excited to jump into this unknown this big question mark. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► This is why I'm saying like the timing of these things as terrible I think the timing of all these relief. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► You know frivolous or or weird Caprice rejections. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► Is just awful because this is this is when Apple needs all the enthusiasm that they that they earned. This past summer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► They need that enthusiasm now. For all of us to start building cool stuff for the launch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► To increase the chance of them selling lots of watches. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► And instead they've totally burned so much of that with these rejections and again. For what for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► What was the benefit there are when I think of what the pony had bossman say it all that they would say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► It's just these weird indie developer blogger things that are angry as you know. Starbucks is going to have a lot jab. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► Weight watchers will have a Nike will have on you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► Jet Blue have one like they just go through all these big name brands like on my relationships with those other C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► Level executives is awesome and we drive our Lamborghinis down to the golf course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► and have golf all the time they're totally making watch good apps Who cares of the bunch of these hipster people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► Portland are going to make a watch out right away Bill make one after the other Raptor out we don't care as long as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► can say that as a Wal-Mart app on our watch and that's all that matters I mean you go back to Starbucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► and all bleep little thing that will give you a discount you can get a coffee or. You know like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► That's the point you had boss like dystopian scenario the idea that you know the people the things that we care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► but these little guys tend to make the most interesting things you're not going to get a really super innovative app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► coming out of Starbucks or anything for your watchers agree that Starbucks has to be there. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► You need that on your watch she needs like you need to Twitter app you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► or whatever like whatever you need the big names. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4615">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► But you also need these other community and from never expected not to all the other key. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► Unity is annoying and they bother us and they say mean things. On websites about us and Starbucks never does that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► And you better get on board if you don't want to have your app there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► and they want to million people writing applications that you know all the people make of those clone free to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► They're all going to be of the watch and they won because that's their whole friggin business they make you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► Clone copyright violating apps until they get pulled from the store and it's just a shotgun approach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► and they're all going to be all over the watch so we're going to have huge numbers we can put up on slides Michel big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► pie chart look at many apps the watch has already you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► Because every app is great equal and it comes to stats on slides right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► And we have all these big names and flips but the logos of a bunch of Fortune five hundred companies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► And the fact that panic isn't on there because panic was afraid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► About putting a lot of things they want to take a wait and see attitude. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► Nobody the audience cares and we had Apple don't care if you care boohoo you that's true. However. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► It's only a matter of time before the next. Instagram or the next. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4675">TS</a>]
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01:18:06 ◼ ► You don't know where the next innovations coming from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4686">TS</a>]
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01:18:21 ◼ ► argument for I'm not saying this is Apple that student saying these are the two. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► He's been two endpoints on this continuum. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4704">TS</a>]
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01:18:30 ◼ ► Like you've got of you know. And they're having this internal debate or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► There's somebody in power at Apple who's on the pointy haired boss side or whatever like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► Again with an information vacuum you can if you're in a bad mood. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4718">TS</a>]
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01:18:45 ◼ ► fight and just haven't quite gotten their act together yet. And as a quick little side note. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► I'm really curious to see what happens with watch it and games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► Because Watch it is really not designed for games pretty pretty clearly. And so when they do the native S.T.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4734">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► Which they say later next year which. People have been assuming that means everybody see next year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► I actually think that might be too early. I would guess. Next winter. Just like a year from this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► This year's watch which came out in November. I'm guessing maybe next November. We get that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► And next spring like spring two thousand and sixteen new watches come out that can use it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► So anyway that's just a guess but we don't know yet like. It sure looks like all of watch kit so far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► Was designed not only to not enable games. But policy wise to prohibit most of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► Well but it will have the most important gaming future. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► The most important thing future of the watch to tell you when gems are fifty percent off for the next. That's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► Unfortunately God that is true but isn't that is the most important gaming feature of the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4787">TS</a>]
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01:22:36 ◼ ► We had made mention of you having new thoughts on the i Pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► and then we genuinely just didn't get a chance to talk about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► So would you like to talk about your needs thoughts on your new i Pad at your own songs whole episode I mean I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► but I feel I feel kind of bad monopolizing the whole show or whatever nothing else going on all interrupt you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► and tell you why wrong about it's a good perfect. OK. I would ask nothing less. All right so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4974">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► I was very impressed with the i've had air TOS spec of great this year. And we bought. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► We bought one as a gift for a family member and I as a plane and play with them in the store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► I was really really want to overbuy it because so for the last couple the last full size i Pad I bought was i Pad three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► I skipped the four and their one. And I bought both i Pad mini is the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► The first terrible one and in the first right now on the i Pad three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► And the two i Pad Mini has made me hate the i Pad the. The i Pad three was. I love the retina screen so much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► But it was so heavy it was also it also had weird performance characteristics because of you know it like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► It had it a boost of the G.P. Used to deal with the extra pixels but it didn't boost the C.B. Use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► So any kind of any kind of C.P.U. Bound. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5036">TS</a>]
01:23:58 ◼ ► Graphic operation or or process was was very slow on them so it was very weird for that. It was also. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5038">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► You know that at thirty eight Iran Warman it was a whole thing. I still use mine every day and love it. Gone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► Perfect OK. I Pad Mini one comes out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► It instantly ruin the i Pad three for me because it's so much smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► and lighter it makes the i Pad three seem like this giant boat. It's such a massive difference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► But the screen on the i Pad Mini one is so terrible because non retina. It was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► It was just a miserable experience like. I I would look at that and I would say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► Man I this is the great form factor I love this form factor. I think but man the screen is so bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► And I try to look at something I've had three. And it was so big and so it was the worst of both worlds. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► I thought the retina many would solve this problem for you you can even call it that you call the retina Pad Mini right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► That's right. Right. So sorry Stephen. I thought that would do it and what I found instead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5094">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► Was that the retina many had had two main issues from you number one is that the screen is not as good as as the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► one screen which to has it. It is a lower end device in some ways and they're there. Always. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► But it is noticeable and it's green like the color isn't as good and you can really tell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► The second thing is is that you know all the people who went to the progression of fulfilled I have had to to I've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► many. And then to a new phone this year and a lot of them are saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► Oh I hope I haven't touched I've had since I got my my i Phone six or six plus or something similar about you know the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► I Pad is never going to be always with you. It's a less you have really giant pockets year round. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► But that's that's unlikely for most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► or you know a person maybe even then I know a lot of people with purses none of them care and i Pad and all the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► The i Pad is always going to be a secondary device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► It's never going to be always in your pocket the way a phone is the thing i Pad is better at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► or the things that I enjoy more on the i Pad. All need the full sized screen they all need. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► The nine point seven inch screen. Or at least they're better on it. What I found and. So what I found. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► Having when I finally got the many that was the had a decent enough screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► What I found is that the things I would do on an i Pad I wasn't enjoying them as much. They weren't as good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► They weren't as much better than on that on the phone. Because they all benefited from having larger screens and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► So this this small money even though with the same resolution. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► It just wasn't as good it wasn't as much better than the phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► The difference between the i Pad on the phone got smaller lease you know the enjoyment of it for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► Again and again this is all for me this is all a very much an opinion not a fact piece here so please bear with me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► Anyway. So this year. I was so. Wowed by the i Pad Air two in so many ways. Most notably the size and weight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► But also as the screen is really really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5217">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► and it's you know that they did some new stuff with how the pixels are glued on or whatever and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► It's really really nice the anti-reflective coating is minor but also nice. The speed is insane. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► Because it has a triple courtship in the two gigs of RAM so it's like. This was a major upgrade to the i Pad lying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► The aerator two were both major upgrades. I just get there one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► So so I decided you know what let me let me try it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► and let me also unload the notion that I need to get every I've had for testing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► Because here I am I've already skipped two generations. The the four in the air one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► And as a developer and I've had have it didn't matter at all even when I was even when I had Instapaper and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► when I had the magazine. Both of those were much heavily used much more heavily to me I've had then overcast was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► You know there's someone going to write in and say that you know this works really badly I might have had three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► You know what's what's up for this crash and I've had three and I always thought I better save all these i Pads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► and get every model because that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5277">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► If somebody does this then I'll be able to to really you know get in there fix it in practice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► That has literally never happened. Not once. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► There has never been the entire time developing Instapaper the magazine overcast which had been since the i Pad launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► I was there on day one with the inspectors all like that entire time. Throughout every i Pad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► I have never had a single bug report or complaint about something that was specific to anyone i Pad model. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► So I think that's a bunch of crap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► I think that's that's something that pair that developers tell themselves myself included. To either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► Either paranoia to keep existing i Pads or justification to bylane new ones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► So that I can tell you if you're a developer of ever wondered about that. It is probably unnecessary. If you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► If you had a very high end three D. Game. That might be different because the G.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► Used to vary a lot other than other than high end game developers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► I would say the differences are small enough that you don't really need to care you don't need to have them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5335">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► And worse comes to worse if you really need some that you can find a friend with an i Pad three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► Or by Warren e-bay for cheap. Anyway so I decided now I'm going to sell every i Pad I have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► That's not this one and just keep the air to which I can with myself to buy. Getting back to that So anyway sorry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► Sorry for the long. Selfish rant. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► First of all before I move on have is that wrongly do us disagree I assume you do because you have things I've said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► just have a crap. I have an i Phone six now as the all three of us do. And I still reach for my i Pad Mini regularly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► And I actually saw I had an i Pad one i Pad three and now the. I Pad Mini with Retina Display. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► And the i Pad Mini I think is my favorite i Pad so far. In no small part. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► For two reasons one because it is so much more portable which sounds so so stupid if you're if you're a big I've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► when the first Many came out everyone was like oh it's so much broader because it's so much smaller as we go you people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► crazy No it really is so much better because so much smaller. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► And also because this is the first I've had ever had with cellular. Which is awesome and between the two. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► That changes everything for me and I take it with me. A lot out with me a lot where I define out with me as. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► Like I throw it in the glove box of the car or something like that or maybe I'm in a meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► and I don't bring my computer but I just bring the i Pad so funny to look up something in an email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► or even take brief notes I can do that I use my Padmini constantly I love reading while you still have reading Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:38 ◼ ► on it but speaking of apps that are old three part is a little on the old side. It's still for Iowa six isn't it. Yep. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5438">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► But and now you can make fun of me for FESTAC so haha. But I'm sorry Paul. I still love my i Pad Mini and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► I use it constantly and I know John. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► That's all I mean obviously you have a big i Pad but almost everything else you would echo is that correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► Well thought Now how do i Phone six right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► and the i Phone six has is better competition for my i Pad three event my i Pod Touch was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► But the vast vast majority of the time and I've got both devices next to me. I pick the i Pad three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► You know it's like gone for maybe you know. Ninety nine percent to ninety eight percent of the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► and I really think it is the bigger screen the i Phone six on the bigger screen the reason I reach for it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► because the C.P.U. Is like just ghastly faster then. And then the i Pad three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► Because that's not what I tend to run into the most it is reading things and browsing the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► or even just playing games I just don't notice any speed difference of the silly games that I play. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► But because the screen is bigger but the reason i Pad three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► This giant everything he said about that matter is totally true it is just a massive battery slapped onto a rat is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► going to reason I keep picking that is because they sleep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:58 ◼ ► when it's not like I need the techs to be bigger need to read more stuff it's like when I'm using it to do anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5518">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► It's closer to love being like a desktop I know I won't get the mobile site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:10 ◼ ► I won't get the little tiny site like mobiles that's frustrating me to no end. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5530">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► I I can load full size web apps in it I can see big and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► This doesn't make sense given like the massive advance hardware advantage of the i Phone six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:23 ◼ ► but I feel like if I need to do something on the Web site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5543">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► It probably won't work on this handheld thing I'll need a bigger screen to be able to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► and that's obviously silly because it's like if it's something C.P.U. Intensive or some stupid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► Poorly implemented javascript scrolling ad banner crap like it's going to be way worse on the i Pad it is on that once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► but I still find myself going to the. I Pad because I feel like I'm a desktop person like I want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► Here I go I want the real far to go and you know I don't know if I'm looking at comics obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:53 ◼ ► or anything having to do with images [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5573">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► or you were just looking for i Pad Instagram apps like I've always had an i Pad Instagram out that's a tire prefer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5575">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► go through. Instagram even though the pictures are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► You know supposedly not hire as enough to make a difference like they're not. I'd like to I'd like to see the pictures. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:08 ◼ ► And the Commons underneath them as I just want a bigger screen and so that's why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5588">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► That my current bigger screen the i Pad three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► With it's terribly unbalanced hardware and the now aging battery and the heat in the weight and everything like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► Still beats out the i Phone six when I want to sort of have that experience of like when you would. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► When I was still what are they still get print magazine sit down and just read a magazine sit down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► and just read the computer equipment of a magazine. I was go to the i Pad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► So that's actually I'm glad to hear that and that's actually kind of what I'm finding so I decided you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► Let me give the I've had. You know one last forever if I write it off as just a device that's not right for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► So I got myself a mid range air to config and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► And I figured if I'm going to give us a fair shot I want to give it a really fair shot I want to have no complaints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5634">TS</a>]
01:33:58 ◼ ► about the hardware at all. You know so that I've had three A big heavy but ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5638">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► I Pad Mini I just thought it was too small for the screen for my tastes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► and didn't like the screen quality the heir to is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► and what I found is that you know I have many of the same frustrations that you just mentioned about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► You know things like being served. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► The desktop or the mole website on a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► and I know you can get their party browsers to switch that we all know that some Please don't write in about that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► can even. You can switch it in Safari now. Oh yeah right yeah that you pull down and yeah. So that's all fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:31 ◼ ► The fact is there are still a lot of web stuff that's out there that people need to do in a regular basis. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5671">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► That is either. Either impossible by somebody stupid web programming. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► Or at least a very clunky or very difficult to do on a phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► You know the screen is just too small for so for a lot of things. Or at least as you said on a lease it's better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► I've also had a miserable time ever trying to get anything done on and I've had like getting work done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5694">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► I know a lot of people do it. That's fine but the kind of work I do. And the way I like to work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► It just does not work well and I about like it's the I've had a terrible work machine for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► I've also found that if I'm going to be playing a game. I much prefer to play the game on the i Pad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► I will save games for the i Pad like like our friends. Never met Komi made. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:21 ◼ ► The incident or the incident notes that fill them with the new one space age they suggest. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5721">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► Yeah I can't even I do you know space age random phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► I think it does because I think it in fall in both places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► and I just deleted off the phone as soon as it install these and I want to the i Pad like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:34 ◼ ► This is a game like I want to fully enjoy this properly I want to sign an i Pad. I find myself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5734">TS</a>]
01:35:41 ◼ ► If I'm going to be doing games which. And like our family thing we do a lot of games over the holidays. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5741">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► So I want to be in the box for Christmas live. I figured abusing it a lot which is true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► I just really enjoy playing games on a full his i Pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► and the many I thought was was substantially worse for games just because you know something I play games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5755">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► They design the interface for me was out. They still assume the big screen and again it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► I think I think you're playing a game of no question. The full sized one is better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► I mean the less and less you the most. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► It'll make the difference in whether you bring it with you're not on on a trip or something but I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► I don't think the size difference between the two. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► Is is is a major enough difference that like so many people would not bring a funny. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► And i Pad air but would bring an i Pad Mini like it's it's the same class of things that need a small bag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► or a very large jacket pocket. In any way. So I set up the new i Pad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► I did a clean install I didn't import any of my old I've had stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► I downloaded I don't know all the games that I had that I download to the I hadn't a couple new ones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► I didn't install anything to get any work done. And most importantly I didn't install a Twitter client. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► Because tweet bought on the i Pad is as you mentioned. There you old. It has not been updated for a very long time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5816">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► And it is just really you know. It was fine for us how can I put that that was a very long time ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► When it's functionally broken in a couple of ways like for example the Newts Well newish Twitter animated GIFs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5830">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► That's just infinitely going it infinitely opens that tweet like screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► And so it's getting to the point that I'm struggling to use it even though I freaking love tweet like I used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► fought in all my devices. But it's hard to use it on the i Pad now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:33 ◼ ► Forget about a tweet bought an old There's a lot of them problem of the Twitter effect sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5853">TS</a>]
01:37:38 ◼ ► when you click on a twit pic or a pic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► That Twitter or whatever link it just shows the same tweet over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► and over again is the RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT Twitter itself the mobile web site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:47 ◼ ► When I give up and say open in Safari. That doesn't load for me like fifty percent of the dial. Easily eighty S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5867">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► Ninety percent for me that's Riddick I don't know I never understand sometimes you just get a spinner forever somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:57 ◼ ► just not. Not it won't load an animated gif a like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5877">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► I don't even notice neg it was all will show me is that you know like. And then maybe a spin or maybe it's just gray. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:07 ◼ ► That's an understand how did these super famous highly used sites have like a fifty percent failure rate of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5887">TS</a>]
01:38:15 ◼ ► viewing the content when you're not using official Twitter app which I bet works great. You're still mad about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5895">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► So I said of the new i Pad Air with the prime. The primary things I'm doing on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► Are looking at email how do you respond anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► and it's good for that it's good for me like going to support the overcut support emails I don't respond most of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:37 ◼ ► Games and browsing and that's browsing is an important category so. Browsing you know I don't just mean a web browser. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5917">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► Although that's part of it. I mean anything that involves browsing a feed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► Mostly for consumption Yes I know it's a cliche it only for consumption. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► It my form saying this that this actually works very well for me so. Amazon. For instance works very well now i Pad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:59 ◼ ► So that's you know shopping. Instagram. Any kind of news browser any kind of NEWSSTAND. Publication like there's this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5939">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► Obscene IO that of see that I will put in a show note but I like that a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:12 ◼ ► I read that in the i Pad even of it you can read on the i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5952">TS</a>]
01:39:15 ◼ ► but it's better on the I've had I think anything that while browsing code in general is better on a bigger screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5955">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► because usually it wraps too much on the i Phone screen. You know that's why can't read later in you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5959">TS</a>]
01:39:25 ◼ ► or any sort of because you know you're going to fall into it's going to have code in it as soon as this code it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5965">TS</a>]
01:39:29 ◼ ► well forget it I just cannot read it on the phone because like a truncated two finger swipe distress was like one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5969">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► even six with like you can't. You know this doesn't you can just arbitrarily rewrap it. Right exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► And also any kind of web forums like Hacker News. Any kind of like old P F E V kind of form like so many of those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► Don't have very good response of or any response of layouts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:51 ◼ ► So like so many of those are still very hard to browse on a phone without having to either do it in landscape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5991">TS</a>]
01:39:56 ◼ ► and only have two on screen at once or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5996">TS</a>]
01:39:59 ◼ ► or had these really tiny little text columns that you could get like squint to see the taxes doesn't resize properly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/5999">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► So many things like that like browsing the web in general if I'm going to if I have the option to use both of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6005">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► devices browse the web. All prefer the i Pad because everything we say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► I think we are only been saying so now that are restricted the i Pad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► Conceptually to like not to serve the exact same roles of my phone if I want to browse Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:23 ◼ ► And do stuff like that the phone is a better device for that for make mostly for software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6023">TS</a>]
01:40:27 ◼ ► but the phone's a better device for that. But for browsing. Lounging and playing games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6027">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► The i Pad is very pleasant and better in a number he ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► and so that's how I'm reframing the use of it I think as I said like you know I got rid of my hardware complaints I now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► Have zero point the hardware the i Pad air to hardware is amazing. So I have no complaints with the hardware. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► I'm going to celebrate their i Pad I have because I hate them all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6050">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► And they made me hate the i Pad Tenet get rid of all those and. And just keep this one for a while and see how it goes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6054">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► Chances are it's not going to stick as much as I want to Chen's Argus bog that was shiny and new and light and thin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► and. And you'll be making fun of me in six months when I say I forgot about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► But right now I think I found a way to to make this fit better my life by not making it just be a bigger version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► everything on my phone. Because some of this is going to be worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► But instead of reframing it as like this is the device that I keep. You know next to the bed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► Browsing at night having fun. You know playing a game or reading the news. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► Like that that I think is going to be a lot better for the i Pad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► So you really have no harbour complaints not even the one I'm about to say Can you guess what it is very upset about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:44 ◼ ► That's minor in the grand scheme of things I am annoyed that the got away because it's like why you got all this for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6104">TS</a>]
01:41:49 ◼ ► going room for switches and it's really useful when anyone. And my wife got a narrative as as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6109">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► My complaint is the same complaint I had about the many. One of the complaints I had about the many does well with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6114">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► Yes. Yes why it's so like. It's subsetting to me because it's. That's not there like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:08 ◼ ► I understand why they make them as a with smaller and smaller on things like monitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6128">TS</a>]
01:42:12 ◼ ► and stuff like what's the point of it or whatever but there was an actual point to the border around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6132">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► Previous i Pad It wasn't just there because that small as they could make it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6137">TS</a>]
01:42:20 ◼ ► And they needed a buffer like know it's there because that's where you hold it in the thumb rejection stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6140">TS</a>]
01:42:26 ◼ ► Just maybe maybe I just can't get over the idea of like just go ahead just put your arm around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6146">TS</a>]
01:42:30 ◼ ► or you'll never accidently accident. Give it a button the thumb rejection will totally handle this for you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6150">TS</a>]
01:42:37 ◼ ► And so I constantly feel like I'm holding it by like the look I'm actually trying not to touch the screen with my thumb. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6157">TS</a>]
01:42:42 ◼ ► And just. It feels more precarious. Like why why do the. I just just make it water and by the way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6162">TS</a>]
01:42:48 ◼ ► If you make it ever so slightly wider that to be as big as it was now i Pad three but I need to be a thumb with right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6168">TS</a>]
01:42:53 ◼ ► If you make a wider. You can also fit your battery just saying. Do you use a case on it and agent. No no never cover. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6173">TS</a>]
01:43:03 ◼ ► That's another thing that I don't like is that if you want keep going to i Pad Air complaint the smart cover the moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6183">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► the metal hinge which I'm sure had some kind of problems or whatever way better in terms of going off axis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► when you open and close it. You know like not saying you know when you have had three when the original And yeah yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:18 ◼ ► They have the original smart cover. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6198">TS</a>]
01:43:20 ◼ ► But I still have this probably some kind of gerbil the problem with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6200">TS</a>]
01:43:23 ◼ ► and maybe it's crashes the people who I've had I'm not sure what the issues are but the one thing it did do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6203">TS</a>]
01:43:27 ◼ ► when you open and close it. The edge of the i Pad matches up with the like. It doesn't go off. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6207">TS</a>]
01:43:33 ◼ ► At a different angle whereas that the mini version works at all hinged terrible things one is off axis all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6213">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► that is just you know if your anal retentive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:41 ◼ ► That really about you would like the bad cover you know the number three fold instead of four like those are all minor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6221">TS</a>]
01:43:49 ◼ ► but that all of them are trumped by the little skinny edge which I feel like doesn't need specially since it's so light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6229">TS</a>]
01:43:55 ◼ ► and so thin like I don't feel like I only need really need to make it an extra two centimetres narrow you don't let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6235">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► give me some place to put my thumb. So I for whatever her. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:03 ◼ ► I get the full wrap around case this time this is my first time having one of those because like. They made it so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6243">TS</a>]
01:44:07 ◼ ► Incredibly thin and light that like the extra bulk of the wrap around case is so minimal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6247">TS</a>]
01:44:12 ◼ ► and it does make it easier to hold in certain ways or certain situations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6252">TS</a>]
01:44:16 ◼ ► I've never the Smart Covers always human you know idea in theory in practice I always found them kind of annoying in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6256">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► various ways. The case is in some ways flatly less annoying. That's that's what can stay. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:28 ◼ ► It's not perfect you know it still has a problem like oh you have this thing that flaps around the back sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6268">TS</a>]
01:44:33 ◼ ► But it leaves fixes any lemon issues you have because the case is always perfectly aligned him. I might try that case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6273">TS</a>]
01:44:39 ◼ ► Yeah. It's again it's not great but it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6279">TS</a>]
01:44:40 ◼ ► I think it's a little bit better for the in-house kind of magazine like i Pad like mine is the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6280">TS</a>]
01:44:46 ◼ ► The awesome thing about the Smart Cover is because I don't have a lock on it is a thing never these my house where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6286">TS</a>]
01:44:53 ◼ ► You know you does know yet whether in the case of the two obviously you know I know so that's the thing anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6293">TS</a>]
01:44:59 ◼ ► Face up with the cover on it so that I can stack things on top of the cover without fear of scraping anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6299">TS</a>]
01:45:05 ◼ ► If the newness scratched the back. And that's nothing underneath I mean it's not it's actually sitting on top of like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6305">TS</a>]
01:45:09 ◼ ► It's sitting on top of its own case I have a slip case or at that I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6309">TS</a>]
01:45:12 ◼ ► when I think is obviously there all the I mean this is come with me every single day there is a have been to and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6312">TS</a>]
01:45:18 ◼ ► Except for one small dent in the corner which is my fault I think I've discussed before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6318">TS</a>]
01:45:22 ◼ ► It's not beaten up it's in pretty good condition it's. It's Survivor I found my experience. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6322">TS</a>]
01:45:27 ◼ ► For five i Pads are surprisingly durable maybe there will change that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6327">TS</a>]
01:45:30 ◼ ► Because it's so thin that we haven't had any i Pad Air Ben gets fed what we need someone to make a You Tube video taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6330">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► i Pad Air. Put it over their knee and they just lean out it really ARE didn't bend the dildo up ago hot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:41 ◼ ► They totally a problem and. Marco it was your. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6341">TS</a>]
01:45:45 ◼ ► Is your i Pad cellular life I I got cellular because I still do so and I think this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6345">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► This Mike my last I won because I do think like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:56 ◼ ► I was initially will and to bring it on trips again like I used to I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6356">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► And so far I've been Bring it on unless culture has taken so the various Hala trips. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:05 ◼ ► But I haven't actually use the Siler function yet. I think if I don't use it again in the next. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6365">TS</a>]
01:46:09 ◼ ► Like six months I'm going to stop by them with oil or Honestly I think it'll be a few years before I buy another one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6369">TS</a>]
01:46:15 ◼ ► but I did always use it for carrier diversity I would always have the Verizon I've had an eight hundred eighty i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6375">TS</a>]
01:46:21 ◼ ► and that way whenever wherever I was like a tether with either one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6381">TS</a>]
01:46:25 ◼ ► So I wanted a trip I would never have to use terrible hotel life I I could always tether with one of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6385">TS</a>]
01:46:30 ◼ ► And usually Verizon was a better one to do that on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6390">TS</a>]
01:46:32 ◼ ► Usually the PLEASE I was going for us now better coverage in the last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6392">TS</a>]
01:46:36 ◼ ► or two that has been less of the case for our sins coverage has gotten worse for me in many places like go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6396">TS</a>]
01:46:43 ◼ ► And more often than not now. I use the A.T.M. T. Tethering because it just is faster where I am. And that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6403">TS</a>]
01:46:50 ◼ ► First of all is concerning that the world turned upside down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6410">TS</a>]
01:46:55 ◼ ► So it might just prove that I don't need rising at all anymore and I could dump them finally but mostly. All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6415">TS</a>]
01:47:01 ◼ ► I do recommend. If you're if you're the kind of persons in a carrier on the i Pad with you in the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6421">TS</a>]
01:47:06 ◼ ► Like not just leaving your house of a time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6426">TS</a>]
01:47:09 ◼ ► Definitely get Cellular is it is very much worth it because if you're if using it by itself most of the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6429">TS</a>]
01:47:15 ◼ ► Tethering is still a little bit annoying that being said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6435">TS</a>]
01:47:18 ◼ ► The new I was a tethering with like the how detect your phone through continuity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6438">TS</a>]
01:47:22 ◼ ► or whatever that that might make it a little bit of my close the gap a little bit I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6442">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► but I do recommend Still I think in Siler. If you're gonna carry around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:30 ◼ ► But if it's going to be in your house all time I don't think it's that important. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6450">TS</a>]
01:47:33 ◼ ► Yeah I couldn't agree more because this is again my third i Pad for Cellular and. I wasn't sure if the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6453">TS</a>]
01:47:38 ◼ ► What is it like hundred thirty dollars was really worth it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6458">TS</a>]
01:47:41 ◼ ► I did the exact same thing you did in that I got a Verizon i Pad and I have eighteen tea for my phone. I then got the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6461">TS</a>]
01:47:51 ◼ ► I don't know if this is still a thing or not but you could. Right around the time the. I Pad Mini with Retina came out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6471">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► You could give team mobile ten bucks and they'll give you a Sim and you could. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6478">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► That you will give you two hundred megs of data every month for free on the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:07 ◼ ► Hope that if you already have their SIM card in your i Pad when you need to pay for data while. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6487">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► A You'll be in a place a T. Mobile actually works and B. That you will pay a team mobile for that data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:18 ◼ ► And I find that for the current for the amount of time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6498">TS</a>]
01:48:21 ◼ ► I'm running about with my i Pad two hundred makes data is actually usually enough. And then if I'm traveling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6501">TS</a>]
01:48:30 ◼ ► Mobile with a minimal major metropolitan area or Verisign if I'm not in get online with that and I gotta tell you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6510">TS</a>]
01:48:37 ◼ ► Being at the beach and being able to screw around on Twitter if I so desire with my i Pad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6517">TS</a>]
01:48:43 ◼ ► That's pretty cool so I agree with you that if you think you're going to be leaving the house a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6523">TS</a>]
01:48:47 ◼ ► Definitely spend the extra money to get a site where i Pad. I really do think it's worth it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6527">TS</a>]
01:48:53 ◼ ► And that he mobile thing is still there I looked when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6533">TS</a>]
01:48:55 ◼ ► when I was activating mine I didn't just transfer in the right because a few the news had the Apple sim. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6535">TS</a>]
01:48:59 ◼ ► But yeah it was on to Verizon AT LAST OF arise in which a stupid. I'm sure that was Verizon being a pain or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6539">TS</a>]
01:49:05 ◼ ► Anyway. So I just transfer the symphony or i Pad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6545">TS</a>]
01:49:09 ◼ ► But the the apple sim does still offer that option the so you don't even have to go get ten bucks and given to a T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6549">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► Mobile store like. You can bypass that's up you can just buy a new i Pad air to with dollars today and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:22 ◼ ► And just select a mobile from the from the start of screen on this island plan thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6562">TS</a>]
01:49:26 ◼ ► And it offers and it does offer that two hundred megs for everything that's awesome I did know that anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6566">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► Thanks well two or three sponsors this week. Harry's fracture and Squarespace. And we will see you next week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:40 ◼ ► Now the show is over. They didn't even mean to be good because it was accidental. The with the accidental. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6580">TS</a>]
01:49:51 ◼ ► John didn't go anywhere in Montgomery county seat with his town. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6591">TS</a>]
01:49:56 ◼ ► Because it was then with the death toll was accidental. And she was going to find a ship that A.T.C. and If you are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6596">TS</a>]
01:50:12 ◼ ► As he well says that's keep lists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6612">TS</a>]
01:50:17 ◼ ► and the team are safe they were key is if you're saying something about as hard as the code on the tiny screen stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6617">TS</a>]
01:50:44 ◼ ► like that. Yep. This phenomenon. I don't know if it's new for Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6644">TS</a>]
01:50:48 ◼ ► Maybe it's not just what Or maybe it's lots of things but I find very often when I'm doing stuff on my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6648">TS</a>]
01:50:57 ◼ ► And somebody does that thing where they post a screen shot any there it is a screen shot trying to show some piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6657">TS</a>]
01:51:03 ◼ ► or more commonly I find it is that insane thing that makes no sense to me except for maybe as a way to get around tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6663">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► limits which I think this is about Twitter where they post the picture of text. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► So it's like it's like a picture of a web page. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6676">TS</a>]
01:51:20 ◼ ► Like bait screen shot of their web browser and then put that in a thing and like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6680">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► Sometimes it's a picture of a tweet which really boggles my mind is like like with a mechanism for retreating. Like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:31 ◼ ► I guess maybe even in the in the non-technical person like view of the world a screenshot of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6691">TS</a>]
01:51:40 ◼ ► Which really just next year a sense but I know that my problem is or it's a people do this thing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6700">TS</a>]
01:51:45 ◼ ► and sometimes it's just a legitimate screen shot like showing some application or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6705">TS</a>]
01:51:49 ◼ ► And whatever I'm using whether it's a Twitter website or a Twitter client or if it's a vine thing or if it's an image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6709">TS</a>]
01:51:54 ◼ ► or a link or like I don't even know what saw from using but very frequently I find myself tapping something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6714">TS</a>]
01:51:59 ◼ ► Seeing a picture. And I can't freakin read it. No matter how much as soon because it's so massively low. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6719">TS</a>]
01:52:04 ◼ ► Like the resolution is not sufficient to resolve letters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6724">TS</a>]
01:52:07 ◼ ► Like the letters are just object ball of you know it's its gaping compression problem with the red you know like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6727">TS</a>]
01:52:12 ◼ ► it's like a some big indented comment or whatever. And it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6732">TS</a>]
01:52:16 ◼ ► I know this is not the original image because nobody would oppose this image because it's illogical they're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6736">TS</a>]
01:52:21 ◼ ► make a point and like sometimes it's just the picture like I'll give this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6741">TS</a>]
01:52:24 ◼ ► Read this text and become outraged over the how they're trying to say right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6744">TS</a>]
01:52:27 ◼ ► And it is one hundred percent illegible and that means something between me and them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6747">TS</a>]
01:52:32 ◼ ► Is causing a massively can present version of this image to come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6752">TS</a>]
01:52:35 ◼ ► and probably it's Twitter doing it like try to sell give will serve the mobile version. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6755">TS</a>]
01:52:41 ◼ ► Well I'm getting As it so many things. So many web services seem to have the idea that all pictures are photos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6761">TS</a>]
01:52:47 ◼ ► And no pictures are screenshots or contain text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6767">TS</a>]
01:52:50 ◼ ► and in my experience it's the opposite almost all pictures are not photos and are like screenshots or text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6770">TS</a>]
01:52:56 ◼ ► or something. And I want to be able to read them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6776">TS</a>]
01:52:58 ◼ ► And these services like this is another reason I want to be in my path because listen I bet I have a fighting chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6778">TS</a>]
01:53:03 ◼ ► they won't try to serve me the super duper compressed tiny scaled version of the image. And I find. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6783">TS</a>]
01:53:09 ◼ ► And credibly freshening is like I'm not a lot on the corner real Internet I have to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6789">TS</a>]
01:53:12 ◼ ► And it's like being in a web browser again like Toyah version of this. You can handle the full quote unquote photo. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6792">TS</a>]
01:53:20 ◼ ► Here is this totally mangle version that is useless to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6800">TS</a>]
01:53:22 ◼ ► but you can't read a damn thing on it drives me up all the I can't get over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6802">TS</a>]
01:53:28 ◼ ► What is a tweet shotting or something like that with a pick the other day was that. That's like a thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6808">TS</a>]
01:53:35 ◼ ► But basically where you like you John was saying where you take a screenshot of something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6815">TS</a>]
01:53:40 ◼ ► and maybe if you're really cool you'll like highlight the line that that you want to call tension to like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6820">TS</a>]
01:53:49 ◼ ► But I can get over it if you can include a link to whatever page you're trying to link to but my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6829">TS</a>]
01:53:57 ◼ ► and by favorite I mean the thing I threaten hate is when they take a screenshot of this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6837">TS</a>]
01:54:02 ◼ ► and the don't provide a freaking link. Because it's so annoying and people are posting examples. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6842">TS</a>]
01:54:08 ◼ ► Like you know this is like this one from N.G.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6848">TS</a>]
01:54:11 ◼ ► Guys obviously a screenshot like mobile Safari because it's the the highlight of the paragraph or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6851">TS</a>]
01:54:16 ◼ ► And sometimes it's not like you know the content may be good like What the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6856">TS</a>]
01:54:19 ◼ ► What people are trying to do with this new strategy is beyond like the using screen justice prevail out of his like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6859">TS</a>]
01:54:24 ◼ ► I can't fit this in a tweet I can put a link to an a tweet but I think of the put a link to it you want to follow it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6864">TS</a>]
01:54:28 ◼ ► and so many Twitter clients inline images that if I put the actual image. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6868">TS</a>]
01:54:32 ◼ ► You can read text that I couldn't otherwise include in the treat It's like people just don't know it works because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6872">TS</a>]
01:54:38 ◼ ► know people according to what engage with your tweet more if they can see the paragraph of text here. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6878">TS</a>]
01:54:45 ◼ ► I don't even use a Twitter client that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6885">TS</a>]
01:54:47 ◼ ► I mean I have Twitter doesn't line images but I have that feature turned off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6887">TS</a>]
01:54:51 ◼ ► and for a long time it didn't inline images [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6891">TS</a>]
01:54:52 ◼ ► and also my experience of Twitter is very different I would rather just follow the link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6892">TS</a>]
01:54:56 ◼ ► but sometimes it's nice to be able to know exactly where it is there's nothing like in page anger isn't it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6896">TS</a>]
01:55:00 ◼ ► People don't know how to use. Or they don't exist or both. And so the best way people communicate. There's an article. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6900">TS</a>]
01:55:06 ◼ ► And this part about it I was like basically what they're doing is a link list kind of blog posts where I was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6906">TS</a>]
01:55:12 ◼ ► They want to link you to something and they want to quote the passages they found relevant. And comment on them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6912">TS</a>]
01:55:16 ◼ ► And the way they do it is tweet on top one hundred forty characters or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6916">TS</a>]
01:55:20 ◼ ► You know less plus the link to the image in the image has the part highlighted with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6920">TS</a>]
01:55:25 ◼ ► Those kind of a mutant inverted form of blogging. Where you can't just birth the Jew thing anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6925">TS</a>]
01:55:31 ◼ ► Bottom line if you're writing your mobile application don't assume all photos are text if you're going to want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6931">TS</a>]
01:55:35 ◼ ► clever you want to save bandwidth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6935">TS</a>]
01:55:37 ◼ ► Figure out of their photos or text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6937">TS</a>]
01:55:38 ◼ ► or none of their text make sure that you don't scale them down so brutally that it becomes clear gibberish. All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6938">TS</a>]
01:55:44 ◼ ► Tired what do sidles as a self not ten cheddar who said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6944">TS</a>]
01:55:51 ◼ ► Discover the board had makes pension or I don't know that's going to be any good. It's not really an Italian Brando. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6951">TS</a>]
01:55:58 ◼ ► Thing. Anyway. We bought them we're going to try. Well I agree that as a salad not been Jetta. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6958">TS</a>]
01:56:05 ◼ ► You're full of landmines pitfalls and bottomless pits. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6965">TS</a>]
01:56:08 ◼ ► Is pretty decent although I might have said that it was either me or Marco. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6968">TS</a>]
01:56:12 ◼ ► So I think all he's done with I think so how about how about get rid of how to get rid of the fall of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6972">TS</a>]
01:56:17 ◼ ► and just go with landmines pitfalls and bottomless pits. I could do that at all but that's for common. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6977">TS</a>]
01:56:23 ◼ ► So landmines common fit pitfalls common and bottomless pit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6983">TS</a>]
01:56:27 ◼ ► It makes me so happy to hear that you also appreciate an Oxford comma in this is that unanimous to hear Marco say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6987">TS</a>]
01:56:33 ◼ ► Prescience in everybody agrees that the only people who don't agree no no it's crazy it's great it's not like a style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/6993">TS</a>]
01:56:40 ◼ ► choice like well you know only there is a clarity choices and everyone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7000">TS</a>]
01:56:43 ◼ ► Like I don't understand why does any argument because it isn't arguments on polls that one of the crazy examples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7003">TS</a>]
01:56:47 ◼ ► and the like get those people like oh well I guess you'd have to use it there are don't write that sentence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7007">TS</a>]
01:56:52 ◼ ► or some crazy thing it's. No forget it. I've never heard a convincing argument against. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7012">TS</a>]
01:56:57 ◼ ► I could not agree with you more friend of the show Stephen Hackett swears that the Oxford comma is evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7017">TS</a>]
01:57:01 ◼ ► and I am glad that we all agree that he's wrong. So what does he say on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7021">TS</a>]
01:57:05 ◼ ► You know when people bring up examples of like this and says. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7025">TS</a>]
01:57:07 ◼ ► To changes the meaning of the sentence in a totally crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7027">TS</a>]
01:57:10 ◼ ► and if you don't let me put a comma there I cannot express the meaning the intended meaning of that is one of these I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7030">TS</a>]
01:57:14 ◼ ► haven't. I have no idea we could probably call him. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7034">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► I have no idea what drives me nuts about about the at the absence of the Freak On the one thousand it's like what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:25 ◼ ► read and I don't know if anyone reads this way I may be so so I'm a programmer I don't know what I read. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7045">TS</a>]
01:57:31 ◼ ► I get tripped up if I hit what he has to be a parse error. Yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7051">TS</a>]
01:57:35 ◼ ► And so I write with this in mind so I try to avoid giving people this feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7055">TS</a>]
01:57:40 ◼ ► and it's hard being it's a no wait with your own stuff and it's. It's given somebody points out like all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7060">TS</a>]
01:57:45 ◼ ► I thought this sentence that you wrote didn't make any sense to me at first as I thought I meant this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7065">TS</a>]
01:57:49 ◼ ► and you know so it's good to you know Pittston picture that and reword things when you need to but like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7069">TS</a>]
01:57:54 ◼ ► For me it's like. Like I read in a stream. And I don't want to have to read the whole sentence. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7074">TS</a>]
01:57:59 ◼ ► To understand the beginning of it less. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7079">TS</a>]
01:58:01 ◼ ► You know you can I push the claws on your stack and everything but you know for the most part like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7081">TS</a>]
01:58:07 ◼ ► As you're reading you don't want to be tripped up by something like the like the end of the list not happening the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7087">TS</a>]
01:58:14 ◼ ► You know parallel structure errors or great sample the stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7094">TS</a>]
01:58:17 ◼ ► and I think the absence of the Harvard flash serial comma. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7097">TS</a>]
01:58:22 ◼ ► Increases the likelihood of people tripping up as they're reading that. That list of items and like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7102">TS</a>]
01:58:27 ◼ ► Miss parsing it for a second and having to go back like oh wait a minute. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7107">TS</a>]
01:58:30 ◼ ► Oh that's what they meant by that I really don't understand how people could think that that that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7110">TS</a>]
01:58:35 ◼ ► Not having the Oxford comma is an option because I grew drawn like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7115">TS</a>]
01:58:39 ◼ ► Dramatically changes the meaning of the sentence. But whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7119">TS</a>]
01:58:45 ◼ ► I'm so I'm to make the genuinely happy that we all agree on this. The only thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7125">TS</a>]
01:58:51 ◼ ► Well that night heads aren't a complete waste of money. Yeah. Well ask me again six months. That's true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7131">TS</a>]
01:58:58 ◼ ► You've got a year to figure out this note issue I know you going to give up on it you probably should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7138">TS</a>]
01:59:02 ◼ ► but it makes me sad. If I love everything else about no I would I would try to figure this out more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7142">TS</a>]
01:59:07 ◼ ► It just doesn't seem like a Type A man it's young it's like it hasn't been tested in this way in the Waited a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7147">TS</a>]
01:59:14 ◼ ► these older things have especially if it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7154">TS</a>]
01:59:17 ◼ ► If it seems like the type of thing where you OK so you run into this problem and you ask the question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7157">TS</a>]
01:59:20 ◼ ► and the answer is not oh of course everyone runs into the problem he's a fix the answer is of course everyone's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7160">TS</a>]
01:59:26 ◼ ► problem and you're right it's a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7166">TS</a>]
01:59:27 ◼ ► Like that's bad because the beginner should not immediately find something that causes that causes people who know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7167">TS</a>]
01:59:34 ◼ ► to say. Yeah I know the toll it is or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7174">TS</a>]
01:59:36 ◼ ► I mean why should really happen as you should run and all the problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7176">TS</a>]
01:59:38 ◼ ► and energy like yeah that's what everyone's into Here's what you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7178">TS</a>]
01:59:41 ◼ ► when you're under nother one like it should be the progression of you learning a language shouldn't be. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7181">TS</a>]
01:59:47 ◼ ► Three days in you immediately had a road block it is a legitimate road lock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7187">TS</a>]
01:59:51 ◼ ► and there's not a commonly known work around. Yeah and it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7191">TS</a>]
01:59:54 ◼ ► And like what you can always tell the warning signs from the community that this might be that some be the wrong thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7194">TS</a>]
02:00:01 ◼ ► for you. So like. If the questions you answer. Like so the question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7201">TS</a>]
02:00:05 ◼ ► If the question is why is set time at least in memory. If all of the answers are don't use that time out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7205">TS</a>]
02:00:13 ◼ ► And there's nothing else the does the same think it's like OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7213">TS</a>]
02:00:16 ◼ ► That's a that's a red flag right there that something's not right here this is some some part of this is a bad fit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7216">TS</a>]
02:00:23 ◼ ► Like this this is not this is not what I'm looking for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7223">TS</a>]
02:00:25 ◼ ► I remember trying to look for sleep call in javascript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7225">TS</a>]
02:00:28 ◼ ► or early on I was like well you know every language has some way to just you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7228">TS</a>]
02:00:32 ◼ ► I was just doing it to like induce a race condition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7232">TS</a>]
02:00:35 ◼ ► or whatever it's not like I wanted said time out I want like just you do nothing for a while please because I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7235">TS</a>]
02:00:40 ◼ ► have a race with some of the fellows going on it's like how annoying would not have a sleep causes this is like Unix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7240">TS</a>]
02:00:46 ◼ ► addling my brain other simming every language has access to the UNIX A.P.I. but. Yeah with that without set Timeout. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7246">TS</a>]
02:00:52 ◼ ► It without without a way for you to say don't do this now. But in a little bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7252">TS</a>]
02:00:57 ◼ ► In a time that I'm going to specify in milliseconds. Do this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7257">TS</a>]
02:01:00 ◼ ► And if you can't do that I was trying to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7260">TS</a>]
02:01:02 ◼ ► when you were asking that question well if I don't use that time out then what is what smiled her maybe note as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7262">TS</a>]
02:01:07 ◼ ► alternative because no you know. No like that that is like node. Node implemented set time out and said interval. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7267">TS</a>]
02:01:15 ◼ ► To work this way and like that is if you look at the they call the timers module if you look at the node timers module. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7275">TS</a>]
02:01:21 ◼ ► That's that's it like those of the function that you that you have to schedule something in the future and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7281">TS</a>]
02:01:26 ◼ ► It's not just like a thing where you have to be careful about what you reference inside the closure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7286">TS</a>]
02:01:30 ◼ ► There's like no work around like Oh everyone knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7290">TS</a>]
02:01:33 ◼ ► when you do set time that you've got to be careful not to have not the cause over these references [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7293">TS</a>]
02:01:36 ◼ ► or to like explicitly do something you know to make it happy so you don't like memory there's nothing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7296">TS</a>]
02:01:41 ◼ ► I haven't looked too far into it I even tried. I'm like you know maybe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7301">TS</a>]
02:01:45 ◼ ► Maybe it is doing something way too literally the calls like set Timeout. Pull your all. He T.L. I don't like ID. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7305">TS</a>]
02:01:53 ◼ ► That's it let the ID is an integer. And I even. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7313">TS</a>]
02:01:55 ◼ ► I even tried parse into I just to make sure it's an integer doesn't try to retain them in crazy and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7315">TS</a>]
02:02:01 ◼ ► I even tried making a string. Evolve thing to set high but unfortunate isn't support that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7321">TS</a>]
02:02:07 ◼ ► So I was like it maybe maybe that would force it not to retain anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7327">TS</a>]
02:02:11 ◼ ► Intelligently because it doesn't know what I'm calling. No didn't help. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7331">TS</a>]
02:02:15 ◼ ► Can't be done this in the memory limit which also seem to trying to be no actually that's the limit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7335">TS</a>]
02:02:20 ◼ ► And it's at the limit and it's low and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7340">TS</a>]
02:02:23 ◼ ► And apparently people aren't bothered by like it's not gonna know it's as like Romana Moji support. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7343">TS</a>]
02:02:29 ◼ ► Some things just can't be explained. Although it's not coming I'm sure it's coming I'm sure. I need to know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7349">TS</a>]
02:02:37 ◼ ► Overall I think I would say. If I had to predict and Granted most My predictions are comically wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7357">TS</a>]
02:02:44 ◼ ► But if I had to predict the future of these languages I would say. Python and Ruby. Will outlive node in common usage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7364">TS</a>]
02:02:54 ◼ ► But know that a language I was kept alive since I was give us language socks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7374">TS</a>]
02:02:57 ◼ ► and only reason anyone cares about it all is because every frigging where we all have to deal with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7377">TS</a>]
02:03:01 ◼ ► And like so that's that for javascript and. No it is like well whatever great if you could say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7381">TS</a>]
02:03:06 ◼ ► You same thing on the server horizon client side. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7386">TS</a>]
02:03:08 ◼ ► Yeah kind of but you then you're still using Javascript in both places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7388">TS</a>]
02:03:11 ◼ ► and I think there is a place for a mature server side. Javascript solution. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7391">TS</a>]
02:03:15 ◼ ► It just may be that node jast is not the one or maybe needs more time to bake or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7395">TS</a>]
02:03:20 ◼ ► but there's nothing about know that says like oh maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7400">TS</a>]
02:03:22 ◼ ► and maybe no never accepted in someone else comes out of the services there's been there been other service odd jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7402">TS</a>]
02:03:27 ◼ ► or been there will be other ones in the future until we can't unless we can get Javascript off of the. The browser. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7407">TS</a>]
02:03:33 ◼ ► They were always be a place for javascript on the server. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7413">TS</a>]
02:03:37 ◼ ► And whether it implemented and who does a good job and if there are bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7417">TS</a>]
02:03:41 ◼ ► and if we get to use Marj goblet cations I've gotta change over the years but until we can get rid of javascript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7421">TS</a>]
02:03:45 ◼ ► and the browser side. Probably stuck with some kind of job script on the server side. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7425">TS</a>]
02:03:52 ◼ ► I should point out that the current version of node is zero dot ten thirty five which. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7432">TS</a>]
02:03:58 ◼ ► I mean obviously everyone's version numbers mean something different than everyone else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7438">TS</a>]
02:04:03 ◼ ► but we are far from what looks to me like we are far from want to know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7443">TS</a>]
02:04:08 ◼ ► Although this is something that should be solved or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7448">TS</a>]
02:04:10 ◼ ► and I mean there's nothing there's nothing technically about no that says it couldn't be made to be better like it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7450">TS</a>]
02:04:15 ◼ ► is just young yet and people obviously haven't stressed it to do that was that the market was doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7455">TS</a>]
02:04:21 ◼ ► Or haven't found that's where the limit as it needs time to mature and become about us. Like right mean maybe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7461">TS</a>]
02:04:27 ◼ ► Maybe I'm using their own tool for the job here. But it really it really seemed like it was a good tool for this job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7467">TS</a>]
02:04:33 ◼ ► Yeah really bums me out because I really wanted to like it I don't even know why I like it doesn't matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7473">TS</a>]
02:04:38 ◼ ► But it just seemed like this is the sort of thing I would use note for to your point and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7478">TS</a>]
02:04:45 ◼ ► It seems like it's a lost cause and it worked fine if you had ten thousand year old aquaria but once here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7485">TS</a>]
02:04:52 ◼ ► Two hundred fifty thousand than going for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7492">TS</a>]
02:04:54 ◼ ► and it would work fine if I was going to reset the process every six hours. With only one thousand euros to crawl. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7494">TS</a>]
02:04:59 ◼ ► Like it. It's a memory leak like it leaks forever really gets too big and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7499">TS</a>]
02:05:06 ◼ ► Yeah and when I'm crawling the full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7506">TS</a>]
02:05:08 ◼ ► and I'm not even crawling all two hundred fifty thousand like I did my last test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7508">TS</a>]
02:05:13 ◼ ► when I was crawling eight of them whatever that is like you know. Forty or whatever the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7513">TS</a>]
02:05:17 ◼ ► And even doing that it would it would pass again within like twenty minutes. It was really bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7517">TS</a>]
02:05:24 ◼ ► Like it's doing so and they and I tried their the heap dumb thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7524">TS</a>]
02:05:28 ◼ ► So I tried taking heat from profiles and loading them into Chrome developer thing and looking at all the stacks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7528">TS</a>]
02:05:33 ◼ ► and I saw them as like I do and everything was other. Yeah exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7533">TS</a>]
02:05:36 ◼ ► And for the for the few objects it is it is tracking you could see some of them had really really deep recursive set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7536">TS</a>]
02:05:42 ◼ ► Timeout calls. So you can tell that's where the problem is the problem is set Timeout is retaining things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7542">TS</a>]
02:05:48 ◼ ► Recursively even I'm not calling function or cursedly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7548">TS</a>]
02:05:51 ◼ ► but like the function at the end of itself call set time out on itself. For some point in the future. And I tried. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7551">TS</a>]
02:05:59 ◼ ► Not doing that and doing a worse solution using set interval. Instead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7559">TS</a>]
02:06:03 ◼ ► And I tried you know clearing the intervals of course I tried a lot at it. I could not get to work. I worked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7563">TS</a>]
02:06:10 ◼ ► I could not get it to not legal over the place and it just. Again it's. It just is not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7570">TS</a>]
02:06:16 ◼ ► It is not a good enough fit in every other way to what I'm told I want in new language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7576">TS</a>]
02:06:21 ◼ ► To make it worth fighting on this point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7581">TS</a>]
02:06:24 ◼ ► So I mean the case the Emini you're getting what you want which is you're going to try a new language and now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7584">TS</a>]
02:06:29 ◼ ► Because no does not working out I'm trying even more new languages so really this is awesome. Well. Yes and no. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7589">TS</a>]
02:06:37 ◼ ► I think you're predisposed to hate almost ever seen you're trying but. But to your credit you are trying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7597">TS</a>]
02:06:43 ◼ ► And that is that is making me happy. I know I wouldn't say I'm predisposed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7603">TS</a>]
02:06:47 ◼ ► Once I actually I'm predisposed to hate and I haven't tried before because I don't want to have to try them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7607">TS</a>]
02:06:52 ◼ ► Once I actually try a new language like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7612">TS</a>]
02:06:55 ◼ ► Now I feel like I feel like I've I've spent two weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7615">TS</a>]
02:06:58 ◼ ► or however long it's been getting pretty decent as one really complicated task a node. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7618">TS</a>]
02:07:04 ◼ ► And now I feel like I'm throwing away all this knowledge I mean granted at least it was quick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7624">TS</a>]
02:07:07 ◼ ► You know this already knew their job script syntax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7627">TS</a>]
02:07:09 ◼ ► and everything like you know goes in take a little bit longer learn just because it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7629">TS</a>]
02:07:13 ◼ ► It's so much more different than what I know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7633">TS</a>]
02:07:16 ◼ ► So I'm going to I'm going to be more upset if go to work out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7636">TS</a>]
02:07:19 ◼ ► but once I try something I want to work because I don't want to learn something else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7639">TS</a>]
02:07:24 ◼ ► That's just like it's like natural human offensiveness like you want to when something is new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7644">TS</a>]
02:07:28 ◼ ► and for millionaires most people's default reaction is to try to reject. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7648">TS</a>]
02:07:33 ◼ ► It's writs relevance to them so that they can continue the way they've been doing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTFFXyw/7653">TS</a>]