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97: You Have to Know When to Stop

 

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00:14:29 ◼   ► coded into a visible in the GUI but if you just go to the XML file added you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/869">TS</a>]

00:14:33 ◼   ► can also send the UI has added options over the years like it used to be I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/873">TS</a>]

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00:14:41 ◼   ► change that to even even when that was just gonna change that right but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/881">TS</a>]

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00:14:56 ◼   ► remarkable but you were complaining with a vigor and in angst that I don't recall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/896">TS</a>]

00:15:03 ◼   ► having seen from you in a long time and I was curious what was the issue if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/903">TS</a>]

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00:15:21 ◼   ► for those of you who missed it it was basically one of the many as a cell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/921">TS</a>]

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00:15:38 ◼   ► the gross overview please you know research if you want more details on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/938">TS</a>]

00:15:42 ◼   ► that score poodle anyway the problem I had discovered last night when somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/942">TS</a>]

00:15:46 ◼   ► kept me saying hey my podcast feed doesn't work in overcast dates and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/946">TS</a>]

00:15:53 ◼   ► had recently upgraded their SSL cipher suite and they are serving a podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/953">TS</a>]

00:15:58 ◼   ► universal cell because they wanted to go all of us all so as we were saying 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/958">TS</a>]

00:16:02 ◼   ► minutes ago that makes makes some sense anyway I discovered through this is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/962">TS</a>]

00:16:06 ◼   ► my PHP feed crawlers but you're using a lip curled on the books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/966">TS</a>]

00:16:12 ◼   ► itself uses OpenSSL someone somewhere along the line basically refused to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/972">TS</a>]

00:16:18 ◼   ► anything but as a cell v3 and seemed to be totally ignoring any configuration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/978">TS</a>]

00:16:22 ◼   ► files I passed them to the contrary and do some quick searching around the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/982">TS</a>]

00:16:27 ◼   ► last night and trying to fix this problem I discovered there's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/987">TS</a>]

00:16:30 ◼   ► quite a lot of people complaining about this problem that like whatever they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/990">TS</a>]

00:16:33 ◼   ► doing what they're PHP absolutely using curl to crawl something they keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/993">TS</a>]

00:16:38 ◼   ► breaking undersides of disabled 23 which is really obnoxious and basically there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/998">TS</a>]

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00:16:49 ◼   ► the meantime but right-hander has basically no good fix like I basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:52 ◼   ► can't make this work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:53 ◼   ► it only if this is not the first problem I've had with PHP is version of as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:58 ◼   ► cell has escrow using it being totally out of date and and being a problem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:02 ◼   ► this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:02 ◼   ► secondarily so overcast right now crawls something along the lines of two hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:08 ◼   ► and forty thousand RSS feeds every few minutes and it's it's doing a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:14 ◼   ► crawling of these feeds and you know it does it does the basic web stuff to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:19 ◼   ► hopefully get a 304 response with most features but you know obviously it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:24 ◼   ► still doing a whole lot of network requests and then a whole lot of kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:27 ◼   ► come back and then I do you know basic and b5 checking to see if it's as if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:31 ◼   ► this is actually changed and then decoded the XML and do everything there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1051">TS</a>]

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00:17:45 ◼   ► running overcast they they take up almost all the server resources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1065">TS</a>]

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00:17:54 ◼   ► all being taken up by the actual serving of the application and doing the sink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:59 ◼   ► requests and everything is almost nothing it's it's no it's nothing on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1079">TS</a>]

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00:18:09 ◼   ► experiment last night I tried writing a basic feed polar in node what the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:17 ◼   ► problem I have with these with the street crime problem with PHP PHP a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1097">TS</a>]

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00:18:28 ◼   ► know as as background tasks like terminal tasks being run by supervisor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1108">TS</a>]

00:18:33 ◼   ► at a great little Python thing supervisor d so it's all being run by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1113">TS</a>]

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00:18:42 ◼   ► these tasks then these PHP Q processing process he's basically are they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:46 ◼   ► popping stuff all the things we've done right now this is running something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:52 ◼   ► along the lines of two hundred and forty processes simultaneously across 7 bps 07 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:58 ◼   ► so roughly 240 simultaneous consumers making this happen and that's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1138">TS</a>]

00:19:04 ◼   ► crushing these servers and taking up so much RAM and it's it's just really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:09 ◼   ► really obnoxious and if this was the best way to do it I would just suck it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:13 ◼   ► up and just deal with the cost accordingly in India with all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:16 ◼   ► complexity accordingly but I decided you know what maybe PHP is not the best tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:21 ◼   ► for this job and why do you 7740 process like how big these processes I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:29 ◼   ► know why I think there's something like forty or fifty magazine that but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:33 ◼   ► you know it's it's under a hundred but still like the math isn't working out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:38 ◼   ► like so why can't you have two hundred and forty fifty make processes on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:41 ◼   ► machine how is that not a lot and they should should be even less busy year for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:46 ◼   ► king of all the memory from the parent process is shared and the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:49 ◼   ► that's different is the pages you dirty during the the child process doing it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:53 ◼   ► work right I'm not doing a fork situation here maybe I should be looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:59 ◼   ► to that is running independent processes alright so this is just you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:08 ◼   ► crushing the CPUs in the machine its CPU seems to be the main limiting factor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:13 ◼   ► here not Ram RAM RAM prevent me from running to meet him on 11 box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:17 ◼   ► economically but it seems like CPU power from a limiting factor here and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:23 ◼   ► honestly I have looked into exactly like what the most you know the single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:27 ◼   ► biggest function is PHP is notoriously very hard to profile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:30 ◼   ► know PHP profile not even with the the Facebook thing there is one there there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:36 ◼   ► there there are a couple of profilers but they all kind of suck in different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:39 ◼   ► ways they're kind of hard to run in production yet it's kind of an ass the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:43 ◼   ► whole situation prevailing in debugging anyway which is itself a problem but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:47 ◼   ► anyway so what I really wanted here are some kind of parallelism that was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:53 ◼   ► just process parallelism you know some like there's no way there's no reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:56 ◼   ► need to have a process sitting there taking up RAM taking up all the OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1256">TS</a>]

00:21:02 ◼   ► overhead of having a process to be sitting there waiting for each feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:06 ◼   ► individual data processing now you can do the one way you can do parallelism in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:12 ◼   ► PHP is you can do curl multi and i actually a while ago I wrote the feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:18 ◼   ► crawler to do this and it's less likely it is really not a good day so that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:26 ◼   ► the one thing you can do multiple things at once is you can execute a multi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1286">TS</a>]

00:21:31 ◼   ► handled curl resource together at once but there's so many issues that need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1291">TS</a>]

00:21:36 ◼   ► maintain the main reason is it's incredibly inefficient because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:40 ◼   ► you can't you can't provide a constant pipeline a constant Q saying okay as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:44 ◼   ► soon as you finish one had one from this list to it you have to like you know cue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:49 ◼   ► up ten frontier all 10 the slowest one will block called everything else and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:54 ◼   ► then once you finished all 10 then I can give you more things to do so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:58 ◼   ► just a whole bunch of little problems like PHP again is is really not the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:02 ◼   ► tool for this job I heard note was good at this stuff and they really are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:06 ◼   ► looking into know it was because the reasonable one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:09 ◼   ► get her camo project that missus camera project that I mentioned last week to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:16 ◼   ► an SSL proxy for serving big files that's written a note and I figured I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:20 ◼   ► want to at least look into what it takes to host this to myself because I can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:24 ◼   ► on Heroku but it's probably gonna be really expensive taste hosted also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:29 ◼   ► secondarily i you know I'm a huge fan of of the the event driven parallelism kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:35 ◼   ► of model like that I like that alot i've seen work a lot like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:39 ◼   ► almost every good web tool these days that is that scales really well is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:45 ◼   ► event of a model memcache look at engine X obviously note itself this is really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:50 ◼   ► very good model and it's very practical for hosting big things like this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1370">TS</a>]

00:22:53 ◼   ► you're able to make very very good use of server resources without risking over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1373">TS</a>]

00:23:00 ◼   ► running them too much I decided let me see how like I already know JavaScript a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:05 ◼   ► little bit I i'm not a job expert by any means the whole thing people do these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:09 ◼   ► days with all the crazy prototype stuff and try try to check system under Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:13 ◼   ► clunky is crap that's more than these days I know I know I know I've heard it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:20 ◼   ► in the seventies but it's whatever language for many things but I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:25 ◼   ► try a note and one thing this sounds really stupid when I installed note on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:30 ◼   ► you know you install node that was easy and and then I did a little you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:36 ◼   ► console dialogue hello world I didn't even know the console dialogue existed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:41 ◼   ► note I just knew it from presently exists and I i did that and I ran from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:46 ◼   ► the command line and just running the ring that program on the command line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:52 ◼   ► was so far confessed that is faster than PHP if you do lol in PHP it lowers the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:59 ◼   ► whole interpreter and it's not I wouldn't describe PHP s slow before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:03 ◼   ► tried this but once I saw that I immediately recognized oh my god this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:09 ◼   ► a different level of speed but this is insane how fast how could do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:13 ◼   ► hello world thing just launched in ran and again I know that's a stupid way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:18 ◼   ► measure things but it it was noticeable after using PHP for years believe me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:22 ◼   ► that's noticeable let me interrupt you right there a related story that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:25 ◼   ► you'll get a kick out of when I was living in Austin when I was in middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:29 ◼   ► school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:30 ◼   ► my dad and I wanted to buy a new computer and I don't recall what we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:33 ◼   ► at the time but living in Austin we decided to go to the one and only Dell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:37 ◼   ► store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:38 ◼   ► and I believe at the time we were looking to get was a Pentium Pro nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:43 ◼   ► and I will never forget going in to the Dell Outlet Store and the way we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:50 ◼   ► benchmarked all of the computers they had on display was watching them deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:55 ◼   ► solitaire hands because no ones that were really quick it dealing solitaire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1495">TS</a>]

00:25:01 ◼   ► at the time I thus far as I knew that was a CPU bound operation and so those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:07 ◼   ► that dealt the Saltair hands really really fast you knew that was a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:10 ◼   ► you wanted and sure enough the pentium pro dealt those things it was so fast it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:15 ◼   ► was a do I could even see it was so fast it was a myth that's awesome so I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:21 ◼   ► what you mean yes so anyway so I decide you know what let me just see you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1521">TS</a>]

00:25:25 ◼   ► am NOT I really don't want to have to go and rewrite the entire feed parser the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:30 ◼   ► entire feed handler the decoder Howard normalize their the high put my database [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:34 ◼   ► how it you know I parse although I parse the episode descriptions to remove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:38 ◼   ► harmful HTML tags and try to summarize them and make them oh nice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:42 ◼   ► everything in there so much president that's already in PHP that has so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:46 ◼   ► like build up over time bug fixes and capabilities in dealing with crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1546">TS</a>]

00:25:50 ◼   ► feeds like I have so much that over time but i wanna have to rewrite that but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:55 ◼   ► suspect I can get a big savings out of having a thing in the front that fetches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:59 ◼   ► all the feed that's written something faster than PHP for this purpose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1559">TS</a>]

00:26:03 ◼   ► official up that polls infection of the feeds and then only sense the PHP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:07 ◼   ► processes the actual changed because most of the request of the said are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:12 ◼   ► resulting in new information so that I bet would cut things down by enough that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:18 ◼   ► it would be worth it would be worth the hassle of running something else in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:22 ◼   ► front of it I decide to write this thing up in you know I stumbled through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:26 ◼   ► route through out at the ready to most of the day in getting you know figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:30 ◼   ► out how it works getting the whole you know your quest thing the Euro parsing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:34 ◼   ► nonsense like getting all the stuff and i know i guess i know there's a million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:37 ◼   ► different library that make it simpler just wanted to do things in you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:41 ◼   ► the most loving way possible so I so I knew it was going on and so using as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:46 ◼   ► many new things using as many core modules as possible and try to minimize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:50 ◼   ► my reliance on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:51 ◼   ► on infrequently used their party code so I made a thing that would pull the feeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:56 ◼   ► every X seconds every X minutes and do basic 30 for tracking and then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1616">TS</a>]

00:27:02 ◼   ► calling callback function when it has new information for the seats and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:06 ◼   ► loaded up and it starts flying through all of them and it was incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:13 ◼   ► until it just seemed to stop and I noticed all the sudden when two hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:20 ◼   ► and CPUs again it stopped using approximately 1.7 gigs of ram do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:26 ◼   ► know what happened casey Cumz you need JavaScript guessing that something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:31 ◼   ► wasn't cleaned up but no I don't know specifically what happen john didn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:38 ◼   ► any node jazz program mainly due to open the browser and then in that case I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:43 ◼   ► to register download this notice no longer in the dock which amazing set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:50 ◼   ► Byzantine rules about what you can and can't reference from JavaScript there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:54 ◼   ► was no I don't know turns out the VA engine which I believe is based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:59 ◼   ► JavaScript just has a a remnant of like roughly 1.6 1.7 gigs at it but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:07 ◼   ► garbage collector just kind of dies at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:09 ◼   ► Java where you have to give an argument on the command line to tell it how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:12 ◼   ► space to use that I had to sell areas experienced recently work where I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:15 ◼   ► trying to run java command to tell me what version of Java add you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:18 ◼   ► whether its job ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:20 ◼   ► job minus version it says sorry on the memory configuration then could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:27 ◼   ► filing it could be a dot files could be an environment variable have upset but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:31 ◼   ► whatever it is the situation and I were computer with YouTube job minus version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:34 ◼   ► and that's amazing I know I did not know that that was a thing though Marco that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:43 ◼   ► is news to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:44 ◼   ► yeah and and you know the reality is like you you're just not expected to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:48 ◼   ► more than one and a half gigs of ram in a note process but anyway that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:52 ◼   ► thing and you can't change it obviously you can just run multiple processes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:56 ◼   ► split the load and everything's there's ways around it but it's still annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:58 ◼   ► and again not only Php doesn't have its own set of obnoxious limitations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:03 ◼   ► badly documented options that anyway one thing I like is that everything in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:07 ◼   ► notice is stream and call back based and so even like the the MDN 5 calculator is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:14 ◼   ► streamable thing and so in the in the data call back for each year of requests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:18 ◼   ► and let you know if I don't actually need the body of the of the feed if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:23 ◼   ► you need to know whether it has changed I can just piped through the indy five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:26 ◼   ► hasher and just never keep any part of it and ran that could really cut this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:31 ◼   ► down so I did that cut it down substantially you you weren't doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1771">TS</a>]

00:29:34 ◼   ► in PHP no in PHP I was loading the whole thing I mean I was doing like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:38 ◼   ► basic eat a good if modified sense but if the server gave me a two hundred and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:42 ◼   ► even at low pH [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:43 ◼   ► then I would do it every five over the whole body to make sure I do actually do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:47 ◼   ► anything is actually knew if you know if it is new I need to process it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:52 ◼   ► there's no reason to me to feed all in and then immediately fetchit again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:57 ◼   ► figured I might as well just process anyway so I decided to let me see for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1797">TS</a>]

00:30:01 ◼   ► this new thing maybe I don't have to do that if if I removed that and if I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:05 ◼   ► that will anything that actually is new I'll just fetch a second time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:08 ◼   ► like from PHP you know that's not the best scenario but let me see what that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:13 ◼   ► duster and usage ran again and same things into that 1.6 gig limit pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:18 ◼   ► quickly if I make a note process only do say a quarter of the feeds I can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:24 ◼   ► this entire thing run and do that entire polling thing we're across them every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:30 ◼   ► depending on the drivers every two to thirty minutes roughly one process can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:36 ◼   ► cross 60,000 feeds like that and tell me with me when each one has actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:40 ◼   ► changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:41 ◼   ► with about 20 percent CPU power on one core and about 600 megs of RAM why did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:49 ◼   ► you have to split up into processes though couldn't you just have your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:52 ◼   ► single process have a window of a quarter of the maximum window quarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:56 ◼   ► it's quite sure where the memories going to get that they're all just streaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:59 ◼   ► things through this just like one buffer is worth of stuff and see just how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:04 ◼   ► web request you have inflated once and you just keep that limit small then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:08 ◼   ► should work through you know your trading oh yeah I see I just have them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:13 ◼   ► anyway it for process that much but now you got like a shopping problem where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:18 ◼   ► your divvying up the workload like manuel between them as we just make one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:22 ◼   ► process or one master process to do the job anyway so the problem there is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:27 ◼   ► when I first did this I initially went ok well how did you know let me look for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:31 ◼   ► node based message queue so mean to me that can carry the Beanstalk you there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:36 ◼   ► on the song has been stuck his has a number of limitations that make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:39 ◼   ► kind of thing annoying to do with it so let me just see like hey let's do here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:44 ◼   ► and I looked up some some of the node message queues and I looked at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:47 ◼   ► source to one of them and it was like he was looking a hundred lines what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:52 ◼   ► doing and then of course it is doing setTimeout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:58 ◼   ► and so I tried ok let me let me write this entire thing you see is set as my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:03 ◼   ► cuing method and then when the function finishes at execuse the next one and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:08 ◼   ► works great now the problem is I then have no wait I have no straightforward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:14 ◼   ► way to to limit the number of simultaneous requests are kept in memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:19 ◼   ► of once where are you getting your work of work from your point when database [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:23 ◼   ► yeah someone just perform database and and chunks and you know just work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:29 ◼   ► your child can as things fall the end goal in new things you know you like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:34 ◼   ► you just need a window size of like this is my current set of things that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:37 ◼   ► working on as soon as you complete one a new one comes in and you could check the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:41 ◼   ► polls from the database you're not sleeping a single road the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:44 ◼   ► that I'm actually sliding all the rows at once like it to be like every every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:49 ◼   ► so often it just like you know so I D common URL from database and get to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:53 ◼   ► me this giant make you like never wanna do those queries like oh we say like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:59 ◼   ► anything it what would happen if I multiplied by three hundred and if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:03 ◼   ► answer is it blows up the discipline of saying never have everything in memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:08 ◼   ► oh he's always been advised by your buffer size like you know I don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:12 ◼   ► how big the file is going to be working on you know X amount of it at a time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:15 ◼   ► don't get how many things jobs there are bigger than I can add as many at a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:18 ◼   ► and you know I don't care how many there are never going to let them always gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:21 ◼   ► go windows in most cases I would agree with you however the fact is the role of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:26 ◼   ► podcast is so damn small like entirely every podcast feed that I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:31 ◼   ► about in all of overcast 240,000 of them and they grow very slowly like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:37 ◼   ► months ago and far between 20,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:39 ◼   ► the fact is I've heard I've heard the entire iTunes directory of some or all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:44 ◼   ► along the order of four to five hundred thousand you know in the role of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:48 ◼   ► database stuff these are tiny numbers really this is not a big deal I can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:52 ◼   ► like queries for stats and stuff with these ridiculous group buys ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:56 ◼   ► joins that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:58 ◼   ► on something with the size of tumblr you can even do what I can do that on these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:03 ◼   ► tables because everything is so damn tiny if your unlimited by the crazy note [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:06 ◼   ► memory limit you would have to do anyone doing it all probably if you write a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:11 ◼   ► post it in the chatroom extra money no its side and it seems to confirm that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:16 ◼   ► there is a limit and it's less its 11 gigabyte in 32 bit machines 1.7 and 64 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:22 ◼   ► bit and it's recommended that you split your single process several workers if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:25 ◼   ► you're heading memory limits which i think is pretty lame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:28 ◼   ► go you want to deal with that crap actually i i I am interested in go you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:34 ◼   ► know theoretically however as stupid as it is the fact that it already know all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:39 ◼   ► the JavaScript syntax even if I don't know a lot of languages like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:42 ◼   ► nitty-gritty details of the syntax a lot of the basic functions made a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:46 ◼   ► blood easier for me to jump into making something productive year this Marco are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:51 ◼   ► you familiar with NSURL session I thought about that too because you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:55 ◼   ► write and swift as a as a command line script I thought about that too but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:59 ◼   ► were never on it I have to get like a Mac Mini Colo kind of thing and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:02 ◼   ► like I can if i cant a runner on my line of boxes in my existing setup like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:07 ◼   ► kind of annoying doesn't cross compile those are no open source yet and also I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:14 ◼   ► don't think there's a whole I don't get a lot of reason to do it in with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:18 ◼   ► doctor see over node because the model be the same like you have basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:23 ◼   ► single-threaded networking you know what's up with all this event based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:27 ◼   ► callback stuff like that would basically be the way to do it and to see also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:31 ◼   ► double the smart way to do it whether it's that or know that there's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:34 ◼   ► huge gain to one of the other accepted anywhere so in the end you tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:39 ◼   ► something new which admittedly was new issuance of farmers like you said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:44 ◼   ► knew you knew the language but you tried something new it was a little jarring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:49 ◼   ► when I I went to some of the some of the pages from some of the modules and I on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:53 ◼   ► the ghetto page was last modified for years ago this is selling not but either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2153">TS</a>]

00:36:01 ◼   ► way you you tried something new to you and it sounds like so far so good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:08 ◼   ► yeah I haven't deployed its the servers yet is that they will take a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:10 ◼   ► work and I'm actually about to go travelling so if you had time to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:15 ◼   ► messing with things but but I suspect as soon as I get back from this trip I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:19 ◼   ► most likely going to install this front end in place and have it take over all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:23 ◼   ► the polling and and maybe even the initial crawling if I can get if I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:27 ◼   ► figure out how to do the memory internet in a relatively efficient way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:31 ◼   ► or somehow overcome those limits but we'll see but so far I would say it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:35 ◼   ► a big success it was exciting I was very happy the whole day like I was I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:40 ◼   ► satisfied with what I was doing you know I'm a sucker for Speed that's that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:45 ◼   ► like I i'm I've always been a low-level night I love CEO and COO of using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:50 ◼   ► crazy effector functions like I I love all this crazy stuff to make things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:53 ◼   ► super super fast PHP can't do that for me like it's like this is a need it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:59 ◼   ► not serving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:00 ◼   ► PHP is not I wouldn't call it slow it is not a slow language as things generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:05 ◼   ► go but when it comes to massive parallel tasks like this there's no good way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:12 ◼   ► do it in PHP and notice is made for stuff like this it's really good stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:17 ◼   ► like this and said to have something with really pretty little effort that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:22 ◼   ► very easy to host that I think I'll find out about that report back later but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:29 ◼   ► it's like the boxes for me and the federal and all the crazy like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:33 ◼   ► everything is a callback kind of stuff to write a whole lot happen this I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:37 ◼   ► it'd be pretty clunky I think it would definitely be called back held lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:41 ◼   ► weird spaghetti code time things like I i cant imagine running and i don't i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:45 ◼   ► don't plan to but for four components or four simple things I can definitely see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:51 ◼   ► the value of it here and and so i think im gonna start mixing it in in places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:55 ◼   ► and see what happens I'm extremely happy about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:59 ◼   ► although it would be remiss of me not to point out that you've said in basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:02 ◼   ► the same breath that you love low level stuff and you love speed and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:07 ◼   ► talked about note which is a pedestal far away from all levels you can get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:11 ◼   ► like PHP was failing here because like the quarter languages slow because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:16 ◼   ► JavaScript is also another high-level language near them on the strength of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:19 ◼   ► the only thing I'm worried they'll have you know dynamic types all the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:23 ◼   ► that is generally slow thing that was falling down is that PHP that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:26 ◼   ► provide our market wasn't going to try to to make happen the control at sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:33 ◼   ► the you know the process level that you know how you know how many if you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:39 ◼   ► do something like that sounds like you can't except for that one girl not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:45 ◼   ► sort of part of the language and language support thing assuming that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:50 ◼   ► everything is a language for things he could have done that would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:52 ◼   ► sort of a step towards this it is but you know do you know so the mentoring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:58 ◼   ► thing is baked into language example of the power of course you can do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2338">TS</a>]

00:39:02 ◼   ► in there are multiple languages that are based on various you know event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:06 ◼   ► libraries or you could do like you could do it yourself and partly why he wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:10 ◼   ► to give you full access to all the units system calls to these things are just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:14 ◼   ► it that way as well so most cases all the languages were talking about her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:18 ◼   ► slow compared to you know it's easy but that's not the winning economic factors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:22 ◼   ► you were here they would spend wasting time and resources not doing anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:27 ◼   ► you know process of you sucking I O eight or something like that right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:30 ◼   ► it's very inefficiently using the using the resources right intensity veteran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:34 ◼   ► things like well like I can't do anything more than just think I'll move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:36 ◼   ► on to the next thing I can actually do it working as an assessment data ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:40 ◼   ► for me because compared to the speed of the CPU the speed that I O happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:45 ◼   ► across the network is glacial so the CPU it was just like twiddling its thumbs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:48 ◼   ► and you know give me something to do because this time I sent it is not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:55 ◼   ► to come back for another few million or billion cycles so I would like to spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:58 ◼   ► on cycles doing something exactly and and also you know you mentioned yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:03 ◼   ► these are all high-level languages there are going to be slow compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:06 ◼   ► something like see but what my biggest frustration with PHP over the years has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:11 ◼   ► been everybody else who uses it and the people who make it like it's i don't i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:18 ◼   ► don't say there's like this is not I'm not actually joking that like it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:23 ◼   ► like a handful of people are able to use PHP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:27 ◼   ► in a reasonable way in and they mostly keep quiet and don't participate in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:30 ◼   ► community itself has been so erratically and relatively poorly maintained over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:39 ◼   ► the years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:40 ◼   ► third-party code for it is a disaster it's all over the map [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:45 ◼   ► mostly being pretty bad it's getting a little better these days although it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:48 ◼   ► also getting really Java EE the whole the whole composer era of PHP and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:55 ◼   ► the Zend Framework era and all this job horrible the backslash how did how did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2455">TS</a>]

00:41:01 ◼   ► how did that get through seriously the backslash as a as an operator as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:05 ◼   ► namespace the divider like why is the backslash anything but an escape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:10 ◼   ► character anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:11 ◼   ► PHP is is not maintained in a direction or to a level of quality that I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:17 ◼   ► much confidence in the chrome JavaScript engine on the other hand is really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:23 ◼   ► and there's a there's a fantastic engineering company behind it that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:28 ◼   ► though I think Google is creepy as hell most of the time and i dont i dont use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:32 ◼   ► many of their products because i'm i'm just still creeped out by them you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:36 ◼   ► deny their engineering prowess is just insanely good the chrome JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:40 ◼   ► engine is something that gets a lot of attention there's a lot of incentive for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:44 ◼   ► Google to keep that being awesome like their whole company basically depends on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:48 ◼   ► that being off so you have this company with fantastic engineering resources and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:54 ◼   ► and throughput having a really good incentive to maintain this one component [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:58 ◼   ► this language is based on when you look at PHP and it's kind of all over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:02 ◼   ► place it's it's sloppily maintain deploying as we are still so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:07 ◼   ► language shortcomings that will never be fixed a lot of the new directions lying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:13 ◼   ► just taking a really have really been questionable and I don't have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:16 ◼   ► confidence in Facebook's whole thing with with hacking HVM is its own pile of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:21 ◼   ► gains and losses you know that that that just shows how bad PHP is maintained at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:28 ◼   ► Facebook decided they had to do that and they are probably right even though this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:32 ◼   ► is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:33 ◼   ► the same class of language generally speaking I have a lot more faith in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:38 ◼   ► in the technical prowess and in the long term long term stability and long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2558">TS</a>]

00:42:44 ◼   ► efficiency of node then I do have PHP so if you were to write overcast today I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:52 ◼   ► think the obvious answer is you're probably right at the exact same way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:55 ◼   ► did but assume that your media little more comfortable with no than your day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2575">TS</a>]

00:43:01 ◼   ► but you're equally impressed by it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2581">TS</a>]

00:43:03 ◼   ► what pieces of overcast do you think he would write note if any like for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:07 ◼   ► the overcast web interface that I would use it probably stands to reason you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:13 ◼   ► would still do that in PHP would you not I'm not sure it would make sense to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:18 ◼   ► maintain large portions of the app into different languages like that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:22 ◼   ► that would just be kind of a deployment nightmare generally I call them all in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:27 ◼   ► one language as I said I don't like JavaScript enough and it's weird objects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:32 ◼   ► system and I don't like nodes lack of blocking calls to do a lot of a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:39 ◼   ► common website asks honestly I wouldn't pick either of them if I had to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:43 ◼   ► just one language for the whole project or in reality if the reality is if I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:48 ◼   ► writing overcast from scratch today I would probably right with cloud kit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:51 ◼   ► just not even have servers be honest I mean that like and I thought about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2631">TS</a>]

00:43:56 ◼   ► like to do I really need to still maintain the service for much like could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2636">TS</a>]

00:44:00 ◼   ► I move all of the user data to cloud kit and and just have the servers doing feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:05 ◼   ► crawling and had to be publically available to all the app installations I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:08 ◼   ► could do that right now there's not a lot of reason to do that but like if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:13 ◼   ► was riding today and I didn't already have a server stuff in place and written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:17 ◼   ► I would probably do it that way instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:20 ◼   ► that's interesting and and if I would if I was gonna learn a brand new language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:24 ◼   ► to write you know a whole to replace PHP is my main web language of something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:30 ◼   ► was going to use for the next 15 years hopefully not but I was going to use for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:35 ◼   ► the next long time in my web development career I'm not entirely sure out either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:40 ◼   ► of them for that either like I think again I don't I love the whole event of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:46 ◼   ► a model a lot I don't love JavaScript or some parts of note enough and again I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:54 ◼   ► been using it for a few days so this you know this could change but go is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:59 ◼   ► very interesting to me i i don't know enough about it to know whether it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:02 ◼   ► be substantially better in this regard I like I like the idea of go being kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:09 ◼   ► this almost sea level language and being very very fast and very inefficient I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:14 ◼   ► like that a lot I I kinda wish we could be that language and and there and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:19 ◼   ► could be a service that I can consolidate my life parties for the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:23 ◼   ► generation and just have this one language I can really deeply master and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:26 ◼   ► have it be available in both leagues I would love that but right now swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:30 ◼   ► can't really be a Web languages there is no open tools for it and everything so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:35 ◼   ► maybe in the future I don't know we'll see maybe maybe not can carry me over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:39 ◼   ► until you can run on server if that could ever happen but I wouldn't count [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:42 ◼   ► on that happening anytime soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:44 ◼   ► that's reasonable I was just curious and you know it I think that note is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:49 ◼   ► good at doing proof of concept that's really good at event driven stuff which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:54 ◼   ► is exactly what you're talking about using it for you can definitely get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:58 ◼   ► callback hell and it can get really ugly really quickly so even as someone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2758">TS</a>]

00:46:03 ◼   ► really likes node I completely concur with pretty much everything you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:08 ◼   ► said so yeah it makes a lot of sense but I am genuinely very proud of you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:12 ◼   ► trying something new and it's as self-serving is it may have been you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:17 ◼   ► typically are not enthusiastic about getting outside the PHP comfort zone so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:22 ◼   ► kudos to you Michael you can say it I never do it I'd never leave my comfort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:26 ◼   ► zone you can say that that's correct and and so kudos to you about something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:34 ◼   ► that's awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:35 ◼   ► me tell you about automatic automatic is your smart driving system on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:38 ◼   ► smartphone you may remember automatic from last week's show where this budget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:42 ◼   ► is then to tell you about them again because they're just that good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:45 ◼   ► automatic dot com slash ATP that spelled the usual way automatic dot com slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:51 ◼   ► ATP automatic monitors how you drive so you can monitor your fuel economy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:55 ◼   ► rechecking generic automatic signal for help in a crash and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2815">TS</a>]

00:47:00 ◼   ► the best part is that this intelligently monitors how you drive to tell you how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:04 ◼   ► to optimize your fuel economy this gives you all the data you need to track your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:07 ◼   ► cost and efficiency every week I didn't give you tips on small change you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:11 ◼   ► make the save a lot of money in the long run automatically even make subtle audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:15 ◼   ► cues when you drive inefficiently to help guide you towards better habits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:18 ◼   ► order to reach the goals you set for economy it if you celebrate too hard if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/2838">TS</a>]

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01:23:01 ◼   ► send a reply to the tweet that says just keep listening to this show because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/4981">TS</a>]

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01:23:13 ◼   ► be replying to their tweet before they before they get there here's where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/4993">TS</a>]

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01:23:59 ◼   ► to that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSstrik/5039">TS</a>]

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