00:00:00 ◼ ► Like everything in life it is one F.N. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/0">TS</a>]
00:00:02 ◼ ► Take command but it will take you three hours to figure out what that command actually is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► Yeah yeah right so you want to do a little follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/7">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► Follow suit as I said that I was like oh God that sounded a lot like the prom just the way you said it I know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/11">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► All right let's do that again. You see I want to do a little bit of follow up follow not to do that again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/19">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► Got was the worst All right something else talk don't don't phrase it as a question Casey. Let's do some follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/23">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► Johnny's of smart anyway so let's talk about across the road and purchases in top grossing lists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/32">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► and I'm not sure which one of you put that's in the show notes but it was not me it was me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/40">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► We're talking about the financial prospects across the road indirectly talking about the financial prospects and Joe F. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/45">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► Two it was one of first people to tweet that we're looking at a top grossing lists. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/51">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► He says those ads won't show up as part of the top grossing only in out purchases well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/55">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► and I think it's also because that they appear to be third party ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/61">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► and not ads to ramp alliances them I don't know if you did like Popeye ads that would contribute to top grossing But [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/64">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► certainly if you're getting paid through a third party for the ads in your thing that have all contributed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/71">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► Well it's interesting that Apple doesn't as far as I know asked for a thirty percent cut of ads that you run that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/78">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► He actually kind of surprise they allow that at all I think the only reason they do is because people were doing ads in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/86">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► their ad before I had existed and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/93">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► and I think Apple's doesn't really care that much about I had to really force that to be the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/95">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► but yeah it is kind of weird like you can't do a third party credit card processing thing for purchase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/101">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► but they allow you to have their party ads. Again it doesn't make a lot of sense. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/108">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► Not that that ever happens with Apple in their rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/112">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► and then would you like to talk about our friend of the show Steve Leung. What he had to tell us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/115">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► Yes Shortly after we recorded last week's show we talked a lot of our crosser oddness Montenegran strategy the game has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/121">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► changed a little bit of a conservation strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/129">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► and Steve wrote in with one aspect of that if you could buy they call a coin double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/131">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► or you get your earned coins at a faster rate and you get a bonus one thousand coins for three ninety nine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/136">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► That's buying the piggy bank so there is something that doesn't change the game play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/143">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► and you know sort of getting an extra life or walking on water or a slowing down time when the train is coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/148">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► or is like that it changes the monetization changes parts of the game that are part of monetization So [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/152">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► when I saw This Is It OK this is you know this is like a power up earn coins faster right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/159">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► But what can you do with those coins. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/165">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► You just you know using them to get more chances at the gumball machine to get you characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/167">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► and that's one thing we didn't mention Alaska speaking of the characters is that the gumball machine is random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/173">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► and it doesn't care like any gumball machine doesn't care what things you already have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/177">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► So as you accumulate players in the gumball machine you want to get a duplicate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/181">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► You know like you know you get another crazy old Ben for the fifteenth time so it's not like you're going to inevitably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/186">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► get all the characters and I don't even know if the GO machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/191">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► and all the characters some of them may be purchased only that there's a bunch of new characters that added a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/194">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► where you can try out a new character for a short period of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/200">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► and at the end of that time that you buy at a discounted rate all sorts of new things are showing up an update to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/203">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► thing they had they're further emphasizing the the thing that was always there I think a little share she'd let you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/208">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► share like a screenshot of your score on your death. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/214">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► Now that is much more prominent makes you notice that it's either more prominent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/216">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► or didn't exist before I certainly didn't even know existed for it I'm not looking for a Share button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/219">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► and now it's more in my face and not only do I see it in the game but I see things that other people post. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/223">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► So anyway the month is ation strategy across the road is fluid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/228">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► and is moving more towards things that are slightly more aggressive about getting you to buy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/232">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► and I don't think that's because the developer is desperate for money because all of these things are still pretty mild [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/241">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► in the grand scheme of things they're not there they're not punitive it's still entirely you know for fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/248">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► and not you know pay to win type of gameplay style. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/256">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► You know even with the coin door but nothing affects the actual game which is avoiding being hit by cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/259">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► and falling in the water and being hit by trains. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/264">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► If it ever makes that turn I'm sure we'll noted on the program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/267">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► but I'm pretty confident now especially with ingress your climb the charts that they're doing just fine with this game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/270">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► Yeah in fact I mean it's been a pretty big difference so in I would say the changes they're making are working to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/276">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► them more money because they've made a pretty large jump in the top grossing chart since last week like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/283">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► when we were talking they were somewhere around the two hundred range of top grossing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/289">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► and now they're like in the sixty's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/293">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► So they whatever they're doing you know changes are making are working to bring them in more money that's more personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/295">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► I don't know the timing though I don't know if they started climbing the charts before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/303">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► or after they rolled out these changes I don't know the specifics so it could just be you know gaining traction from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/305">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► word of mouth and you know it's hard to say I know it's still a good game is still trying it out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/310">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► and cover an M Earlier you know that you for continuing to move your score forward to pastors I just I just stopped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/318">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► moving and for once I became the number one in my game central aside my son's garbage Asian store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/327">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► and I really played so much going to so what is your current score. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/332">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► My score as depressing as I was trying to be Jason's girl I got you know I couldn't get him to accept my son's friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/335">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► requests so that I can maybe demonic something that someone who is who are you know would be about as some like to beat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/342">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► And this girl was like one ninety three and I got one ninety one and I had that for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/348">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► and then I want I need to have that for a while and there's nothing worse than than seeing yourself die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/352">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► Pop away from tie into heart and and then eventually got to sixteen and I'm depressed to sixteen because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/360">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► when I got to sixteen my death a super stupid I just got I was just so happy that I had one I was like OK now I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/366">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► mean to go any farther I could've done much for others. Stupid death. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/372">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► So I'm kind of all thought of going back does it go golfing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/375">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► Yeah whatever I thought and tried that one but I am enjoying cross the road more than I probably should. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/381">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► That is a good game so we should probably talk about what Daniel jacket said about push notification spam filtering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/385">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► Marco did you get a chance to read this earlier today. I read this ten minutes ago yet so what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/392">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► Well we were talking about last episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/396">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► and what Daniel was kind of replying to was what especially mark of a talked about with regard to push notification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/398">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► spam and and how the three of us really didn't come up with a terribly awesome way for Apple to filter the spam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/406">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► and so one of the things we talked about was well maybe we could they could in list users to to help filter the spam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/416">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► and notify apple of it and so did you an interesting point I'm going to read from this post on the show notes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/423">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► Apple can still use its unique role as the Creator of All Things I was to devise a system through which they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/429">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► themselves be virtually subscribed to all unremarkable notifications from a particular apps developer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/434">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► Think about the worst of the patient's name you've seen in my experience it's not super personalized In fact it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/440">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► liable to be in use meant to keep using the app to dance in a game to become more engaged. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/444">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► Cetera I think Apple would collect a ton of useful information about spammy developers if they simply arranged that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/449">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► every app on this app store is capable of sending push notifications included among its list of registered devices. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/454">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► A pseudo device in Cupertino whose sole purpose was to receive notification scan for spammy keywords apply Beason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/460">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► and flag questionable questionable developers I think is a really good idea that seems like the hardest crap to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/468">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► together but it is a very interesting point I mean when you are in control of the entire ecosystem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/475">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► You probably can get away with doing something like that but and I was curious to hear what you guys thought. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/480">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► You know so early in the post is like one of the problems is they can just run these kind of filter server side because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/486">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► everything's encrypted end to end. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/492">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► So in order to see the content of a message you have to be one of the recipients of the message. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/494">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► And and that's that's actually not entirely true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/499">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► When you when you send a push notification request you send it over S.S.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/505">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► but The server on the other side has a degree and you're sending a Jason dictionary. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/511">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► So if your server is not encrypted data separately from S.S.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/516">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► You know that that intrusion is happening after it gets into Apple's hands so it's a Didn't sumption early on is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/521">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► actually not correct that they could be doing the server side if they wanted to without have been like at this big sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/527">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► of device. I think it's two problems with that. Number one it would have to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/532">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► It would almost certainly be abused and worked around very quickly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/537">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► For instance developers could start using different schemes or friends in the background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/542">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► or refreshed you can just send whatever you want as the payload of a silent notification for back and refresh. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/547">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► That doesn't show anything in text to the user then you can have your app generate a local notification based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/555">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► whatever you want that says whatever you want from that. That's actually how I said all of mine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/561">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► All everyday every overpass notification is Message List it is a content available out of acacia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/565">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► and then the app wakes up performs a sink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/570">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► and then for any new episode it finds it shows on a vacation from their title. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/574">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► So all of the text that is being shown to the user input on a vacation is not going through Apple servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/580">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► and will require the app to be launched to generate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/587">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► and of course you know developers would very quickly work around this kind of system if it was in place they would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/591">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► know just they would show the text in different ways they would respond. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/596">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► Respond to sounds of occasions are they would you know encrypt the messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/600">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► and you cut them with a custom scheme with the app or whatever so that that method wouldn't entirely work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/603">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► and what would actually be a prerequisite to having the kind of set up it all is if Apple cared. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/612">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► That's the biggest problem here is that it really really seems like Apple doesn't care about this problem by their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/620">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► complete inaction and complete seeming seeming inability and unwillingness to enforce this rule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/625">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► and then to even break it themselves up with one of their teens. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/633">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► I think it's very clear that Apple simply doesn't think this is a problem because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/635">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► when Apple thinks something is a problem it tends to get attention it tends to get addressed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/640">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► when Apple you know Apple has kind of this tunnel vision sometimes where whatever they care about whatever the hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/645">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► thing is at that moment it gets this laser focus. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/651">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► They do crazy things it gets remade or gets massive progress made on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/654">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► and then it gets left alone untouched for ten years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/659">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► and I think this is one of those things where like like this is an area of the App Store that they just don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/662">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► about like much of the App Store honestly I mean most of the after does not see rapid change the policies sure don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/668">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► and I think it is very clear this is a problem this is a problem to two dicks like us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/675">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► but Apple does not think this is a problem because if they thought it was a problem they would be doing more to enforce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/685">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► And they're not I think of another reason why Java pro solution ignoring encryption ignoring fake looking for good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/691">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► stuff like that even if all the old workarounds didn't exist you would still this would still require Apple to do two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/698">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► things one thing that Apple doesn't like to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/706">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► and one thing that very good at the thing they don't like to do is this will require them to essentially log all person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/709">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► out of occasions and or store them in some. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/716">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► Way so that you could verify that they were sent for some you know they're at the store some window of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/720">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► and the reason they're out to store them is because the second thing that I don't think they'd be very good at is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/724">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► figuring out of something is in violation of the guidelines by looking at the content. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/729">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► Computer wise you know spam detection and to do that well it's not easy to do that well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/734">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► and do it fast at the same time so I think a wash of all the traffic as it goes by categorize it as spam or not spam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/741">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► and then discard it because what if they got it wrong and they want to retrain their fellows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/747">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► or whatever so it had to be stored for some period of time. So you know is a good man the middle everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/751">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► Decrypt everything because they control the key servers and all those other stuff like undo all their And [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/756">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► and corruption look at the content. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/761">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► Great now you're looking at all the push out of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/763">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► and by the way simulate user activity so that you get the push notifications that are that are in response to you using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/765">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► application or not using the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/771">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► or having used it within a certain time have you know all the you have to do a hell of a lot to make a fake thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/772">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► behaves in a way that is sure to trigger all of the spammy push notifications. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/779">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► Then you're just left with a pile of push notifications that you have to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/784">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► and determine which ones are legitimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/786">TS</a>]
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00:13:13 ◼ ► expecting a computer in a few milliseconds to figure out if a push notification is in violation of the no promotions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/793">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► rule. So that's why I keep going back to the only solution to this has to involve some kind of reporting by recipients. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/799">TS</a>]
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00:13:46 ◼ ► It may ask you if that him if that happened ever send you push notifications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/826">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► or if it's a new push notification recently like within the past five minutes I'm ask you Are you disable notifications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/830">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► because for one of these five reasons and you can say spam whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/835">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► Like some kind of thing like that that only some nerd will see the heavily gated on the the thing that we all do which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/840">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► is something sends you notification you realize you forgot to turn off you merely go to system to system preferences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/847">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► for that hole they call an Iowa settings and figure I kind of can make them both places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/852">TS</a>]
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00:14:24 ◼ ► and can throw up something that you know kind of like those annoying unsubscribe things like your successor into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/864">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► scribed uns is crap because you never answer the questions well if you're angry because something you spam. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/869">TS</a>]
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00:14:36 ◼ ► Tap the little thing that says yeah I just disabled because I me an ad or something or was I going to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/876">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► and I have tons of false positives and people are saying really are not occasions period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/881">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► but the volume of hundreds of millions of miles uses enough that you know they could do these in grass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/885">TS</a>]
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00:14:54 ◼ ► and have five people week just run that up on their phones even send them in ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/894">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► and you know you know the type you talk about is what I show. Apple has all the power here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/897">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► but they're not powerless to you know all they have to do like Margaret said it care about it a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/904">TS</a>]
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00:15:20 ◼ ► and their volumes will make it such that will become super clear what the popular app that is spamming people is you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/920">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► never going to get the obscure app that spank you look at Seven people have installed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/925">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► but you'll get the popular app that span people and then you send them a nice little note [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/928">TS</a>]
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00:15:36 ◼ ► and if they don't they're out of the store it's just you know having having such incredible power of everything within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/936">TS</a>]
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00:15:47 ◼ ► Oh yeah I mean this is as we get into the after discussion I'm sure I'll bring this up again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/947">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► but there are so many areas in which they could use us for good for example the way the new Twitter app scans your old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/951">TS</a>]
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00:16:44 ◼ ► but there's a low level function to get the list of running process names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► and so if you are if you pull that list you know on a regular basis the chances are you're going to catch a lot of apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► the user had installed in their currently running state. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1015">TS</a>]
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00:17:25 ◼ ► returns all zeros for a MAC address now so much of that I don't think there's a reason why I O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► Needs this function to return valid process names to it to the app that's calling it. There's no ex P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► That African trolled or anything like that so I there's a good reason please let us know. Once that's not out as works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► Yeah I know that I don't I don't think there's a reason for that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► But so I think privacy wise that's because like I think Apple should care about this problem because the IDE in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1070">TS</a>]
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00:18:08 ◼ ► So some apps they have your own schemes in place for various workflow things you know there's various reasons why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► and if you're going to do that I guess it there's no real way around that around your app being discovered on the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► hand is a lot of us that you're all schemes in place for other reasons like some a lot S.T.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► Thing the Facebook log in thing like some some plugin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► or component of your app requires some kind of work around like where it kicks you to some other app you sign in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1115">TS</a>]
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00:18:45 ◼ ► and so a lot of apps have you're asking that really aren't using them for any other purpose besides that sort of thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► I was eight and the new extension system makes a whole lot of that unnecessary. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1129">TS</a>]
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00:19:04 ◼ ► and remove later after that I think there are better ways around that problem that they've designed and I was eight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1144">TS</a>]
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00:19:34 ◼ ► and report those back to their their shady companies and that's really not good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1174">TS</a>]
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00:19:43 ◼ ► Schemes become dramatically less necessary with Iowa State may be the way forward is not to have them to remove that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► Secondarily Apple could just have a rule that they actually enforce that says you can't collect lists of apps from the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1193">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► A device and Sunday a service like that could just be your rule. They don't seem to care though. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1200">TS</a>]
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00:21:04 ◼ ► but I just get the feeling based on nothing other than seeing their actions externally without knowing what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► and maybe hearing a little bit about sort of the the treatment in who gets picked to you know come two weeks early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► and do a demo for a keynote or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► Not every not every developer three the same and I think this is appropriate in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► but it goes against the sort of egalitarianism idealistic story of the App Store where you know anybody can play in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► the rules are the same for everybody. Not quite. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► Doesn't seem like from the outside that it's quite the same for everybody so I don't have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► For all we know Apple has already talking Twitter and say we really prefer you not to get a list of apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► It's not like we're going to play you from the store we know you have schedules just tell us that the next version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► you'll fix this and give us a rough timeline will say OK and we won't say anything about it publicly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► It's only plausible to me that that could be happening inside Apple but of course we don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1316">TS</a>]
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00:26:00 ◼ ► You know so the self employed thing is definitely more difficult and usually more expensive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► But the one big downside of employer provided is that you usually have little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► or no choice so you don't get to shop around you know. What if I like the Oscar and think it's awesome. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► Well tough luck you can you know you can't forego the employer funded one because it's always so much cheaper because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► they contribute some money to it but you have so few choices you could grow your job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► All right so anyway so we're still not happy with the App Store are we mark or I thought we were past all this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► You know there were there was a time when the App Store first came out and over the first couple of years it was out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► We had a bunch of bumpy rejections from Apple figuring out its policy developers figure out what Apple wanted Apple at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► first being pretty bad about communicating their policies and then later getting less bad at it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► Overall average view is a good idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► Overall I support preview and overall I think it has benefited customers and developers and Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► but there are still these dark patches and there are still a times when it seems like Apple is a little bit too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► I wouldn't associate power hungry but but they seem to be too strictly or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► or overreaching in their rule enforcement in a way that doesn't seem to benefit anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► and possibly even including Apple that like they're not they're not soon looking out for any kind of clear user benefit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► They're not like there's no major reason why this that we can see why Apple needs to enforce certain rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► or want to enforce certain rules. And there are a lot of rules they enforce that are unwritten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► And this is this is the biggest problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► One of them is that that's going on now with or any notification center widgets and there seems to be this disconnect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► These are two different parts of Apple two very very distantly. Separated parts of Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► So I want to do you have Craig Federighi and his organization making the software and making the S T k's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► and you know adding these great abilities to the lss but developer relations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► and all part of Alpha relations including after review are all very deeply infill Schiller's organization. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► So these are very separate parts of Apple and I think what we're seeing here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► We've seen some speculation over the last couple days from a couple of blogs in fact I'm a protector remember Ben [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► I'm I'm one of his premium members and and I like his daily updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► and I highly recommend you daily updates they're extremely good he is one of the smartest writers on our business right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► and he wrote one today saying you know saying along with a few others in the scene recently that it sure seems like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► there's some friction here between Schiller's organization and Federal Reserve's ation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► and I don't know enough about to say more than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► but I think looking from the outside it does certainly seem like these two different parts of Apple are not of the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► page on everything and something something is going wrong there is some kind of friction or communication breakdown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► or different priorities something is going wrong there because we have the massive you know as we said this past summer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► The massive love letter to developers Apple basically had this this past summer saying look at all this great new stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► all these walls were lifting all these things you thought we'd never do what we did I'm all these these things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► could never do now you can do them now months later after the stuff is out and in consumers' hands and the zero S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► Is a rout and people actually start trying to do things with them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► We're seeing so many problems and rejections from the app review side of things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► and by the way it's also a third division is the asteroid a Tauriel team which is under eighty Q So so you have the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► who make the S. T. Ks the people who pick which. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► Our featured to be like great examples of what I should be doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► and then the people making the policies of actually enforcing those rules those are all three different nations under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► three different as he is inside Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► and who apparently have different viewpoints on things I don't know if you could say that the development is on is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► conflict with any of those you could say that preview and apps are on a Tauriel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► or at best just not communicating with each other and doing balancing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► but engineering like their responsibility is in cooperation with whatever they're you know sort of product design thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► or you know who are resigning with price going to do engineering jobs to do it you know implement it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► and maybe I don't know if the products on it under that umbrella but probably anyway they create the A.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► Eyes and every A.P.I. They create there some expectation is like we're just going to make something possible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► But although you may be able to do a thing with these guys for example read all the contacts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► Like the little maid that's not their fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► or that you can do it like we're going to implement these features we're going to make them make features possible I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► don't know if you know I don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► or you see that is as his responsibility to worry about you know whatever A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► You make obviously some developer is going to use A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► To do something that app or view is going to reject [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► and that does not necessarily imply a conflict between Craig Federighi and the after you section of the organization. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► I don't think he would say that he that is has his role to make those decisions because there are no decisions he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► there are features that they want developers to be able to add to their products that are made possible by his A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► As there are also things that people can do with the engineering side makes that are going to be against Aberdeen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► and that is the way it's always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► and it goes about like well I showed this to an engineer in the know in the labs that you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► and I thought it was awesome. Yeah they probably do think about somebody again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► They they know they're not in charge of after you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► And they're excited to see someone do use maybe I do something cool but I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► but I still don't think that it implies a conflict between engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► and the organization I think the the I think they were sure is the embarrassing lack of communication between editorial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► and after a view in terms of promoting an application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► and pulling it while it's on under Promotion like that's just the type of thing that should happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► Those things communicate with each other better so there could be a conflict between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► and it's a natural like we're digs out here we like if something is possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► and we can't think of a reason why we shouldn't do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► It should be allowed and that's sort of a a sort of Apple engineers mindset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► or a true engineers mindset of like you know all the Linux thing it was possible everyone should be allowed to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► it's free and working for all the Apple mindset if it's possible and if we think about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► and we can't think of a reason to stop it then it should be possible it's oh it's probably true that if you were to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► poll the entire organization the vast majority of the people who work in engineering an apple would say yes that should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1975">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► be possible No I would never pull the peek out you know thing for bringing how good today view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► but I'm hesitant to turn it into a vice president versus vice president internal turf war type battle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► I'm careful to say that it's one of the SEALs organizations I mean there's like we don't know if Schiller's involve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► these decisions personally or Federighi is mad about these decisions personally or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► but what we what we can clearly see is that these parts of Apple are are not working together correctly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► and it's so bad it's leaking out that it's publicly visible I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► but do you think I don't know I think this is the correct working of engineering and have preview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► and that engineering makes the A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► Snap of you decide if the things developers are using them for are allowed our complaint is that after view is making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► decisions that we don't agree with and they conflict with editorial. Yeah I am and I like that I could just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2033">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► To chalk it up to a lack of communication. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► You know what that's a that's a pretty big thing because see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► and this is like this is coming at a particularly bad time for Apple because right now in this time you know late two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► thousand and fourteen the last left always twenty fourteen at the Apple Watch is coming out soon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► I Pad sales are not that great is harder than ever to make money in the App Store and Android is a massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► and register released a major update the whole paper thing whatever they call material design all like the Edward five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► oh that's actually getting pretty good reviews from people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► So what we have is you know Apple is unfortunate all these rules they've been important to us for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► and then they have this this crazy position of power because there were really no other place to go if you wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► make any reasonable money developing atom and some people make money on Android you know it's possible to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► but it's it's historically been harder you know as as hard you think it is I was to make money it's historically been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► even harder on Android and a lot of things just weren't as good an android. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► But that gap is closing and I'm not sure I ever will close period. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► I don't think the willing time soon but it's a lot smaller than it's ever been before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► Meanwhile at the exact same time you have this you have the i Pad not doing particularly well you know relative to how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► You have immense competition in the App Store that drives prices way way down it makes it very hard to make any money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► The watch that you are expected to develop for in parallel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► and this is combining to make it a tougher sell than it previously has been to be an I O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► Developer you have now more platforms you need to target. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► There's more work for you to do you have to do adaptive layout to make resizable life after that that ever ships like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► we talked about before. So there's more more work to be like a current up to date responsible I was develop. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2152">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► There's more more work than there are been before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► The alternative of Android development is less bad than it used to be relative to I was development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► and you're making less money and I honestly haven't had before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► This is not a good time for Apple to add more reasons for developers to become disillusioned with the platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► This is this is this is strategically a really terrible time for that because Apple needs fantastic developers to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► two big things forward it needs good developers to push the boundaries to make the i Pad a better general computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► device than it is and it needs developers to make great apps for this new watch coming out in the spring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► There's always going to be more developers you can always say well there's more people waiting you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► when you go to leave more people come in so you can be a fresh batch and like entertainment history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► or you know a lot of mysteries work that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► That's true but if you want the best developers making the best apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► and if you want the boundaries to be pushed if you want you know what Apple said in interviews you see they said a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► We can't wait to see what you do with this stuff and then they see what we do with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► and they tell us you can do half of that as long as you do or they want to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► I mean they need good developers to push the boundaries and to make fantastic software that is sustainable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► and that takes advantage of the platform and the pushes it and makes it useful for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► and it makes people buy their devices and stick with their ecosystem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► They need us right now more than their actions say the big things that are in conflict is not that engineers conflict [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► with any of the ninth inning parts but it's the broad trends with an apple in the sort of the post jobs there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► or is that in the recent in the recent years especially in this most recent year twenty fourteen engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► reorganization which as you know is gone through a lot of growing pains and change of leadership. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► Steve Jobs goes in for a stall go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► Things are realigning they're new people and Johnny I was out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► and all that stuff all that rejiggering has culminated in an engineering organization that like you said Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► and my seven year view everything that engineer organization that does things that previously it had refused to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► But there have been widely you know desired by their constituent developers and indirectly by their customers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► That is the overall trend in engineering the last year or so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► and as the result of all the I Have To You have to think it's a result of all these reorganization that whoever was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► opposing this is either not in power not in the company anymore or lost an argument right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► And now suddenly engineering is doing things that are that are directly beneficial to developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► and indirectly beneficial so far to customers who fester as one of these things too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► Whereas after a view has not undergone as far as I know such an organizational change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► and is instead acting the way it has always acted sort of in cycles where a lot of time it's dormant and sleeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2335">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► and then sometimes the bear wakes up and bites you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► And we had the benefits of that you know it's gone cycles and why why is it awake now. Why sleeping other times. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► but one thing you can say is it has not undergone the same friends a ration of the engineering organization has gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► through its apps or is not suddenly letting in things that agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► and that it is not suddenly being more reasonable being more transparent and you know explaining itself better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► Like the only thing you can say for the average organization is that they have cut down on wait times that consistently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► the trend has been you know don't have ridiculous wait times for the things with a few bumps in the road for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► releases where the mac apps have to be delayed for a reason. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► Usually it's about a week still and it's it's you can you be able to say it's about a week for the last five years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► Right so I do overall trend like if you look at the entire history the App Store is that they have moved that metric to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► be sort of better in a way the developers like and that indirectly benefits customers which is the same sort of yards. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2394">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► There was using an engineer and so it's all the more glaring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► when engineering is suddenly doing things that seem you know that ever orders that are noble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► and doing them in a cautious way doing them good outweigh the making positive progress. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► You know Iowa State is better for developers and Iowa seven was and back and so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► and so forth whereas average viewer just does not seem to be making any progress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► and I don't I'm not familiar with the internal organization of Africa or that side of the organization. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► But if it has undergone any sort of transformation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► or a change in leadership that is the sort of parallels the engineering one I'm not aware of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► and if it hasn't undergone that then that entire organization looks like it looks to me like a typical corporate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► organization with people who are in power who are stubborn who are wrong and you can't be kind of right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► and you are stuck it's like well I disagree with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► and I'm your boss the end the other interesting thing to go back just a half step to where the market was saying is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► that not only are developers feeling like we got a little bit of a bait and switch from W.D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2456">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► Because I believe Marco you did I know I wrote a blog post on the way back from D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► About how you know we finally got all the things we've been asking for we finally got all the things we wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► and you know it's so I don't remember who it was that said it first but it's like Lucy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► and Charlie Brown with the football you know and so here it is we got all the things we want just getting And [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► and so developers are obviously furious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► But a lot of users that I speak to just regular people who are not developers they're getting more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► and more frustrated with Apple two it started with Apple Maps being crap in Google Maps not being available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► and then it continued to bug the i OS seven that all of a sudden looks different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► and people keep telling me how I was saying it is buggy and to be honest I haven't really had any particular issues. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► But that being said it seems like a lot of people I know who used to be really into the wall. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2513">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► Things Apple maybe aren't And and that's a tough place to be in so here it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► Apple is the it is in a position where they really shouldn't be pissing off their developers not only for the developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► Do you see any do you have actual Any non geeky user friends who talk to you about applications I use I like that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► luster of Apple's on off are you talking about users who knows the transmit can send things to drive any no no no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► the former where the last year that it how it's always infallible they always were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► but that luster goes in cycles too that's just a typical you know celebrity type build him up tear him down like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► don't I don't attach anything particular to that because the cycle for that is practically yearly at this point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► Yearly everybody loves Apple and yearly everybody hates it like it's beginning faster you know. Oh yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► Although you know to be fair one thing that does definitely impact customers is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► when an app is approved with a certain feature they buy it they use that feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► and then they have to remove that feature because of Apple's policy after the fact that's why I was asking I was asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► if people if people notice that like do they read the release notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► or they just get mad at the developers like to blame even land on Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► or do people do the type of features they get removed in that way are they below the notice of people because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► the feature that was removed from transmit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► People who use transmitter already probably kind of geeky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► and maybe they really release notes I'm trying to think of it like a mass market example like the Facebook app could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► something that everybody thought was great and then Apple removed it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► Maybe that would get some notice but I have I have never heard any person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► or use I.O.'s complain to me that Apple's updates in the future is removed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► I have but it was not at all because of Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► Everyone I know is furious about you not being able to send messages in the standard Facebook app anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► and you have to download a different Facebook Messenger app in order to send messages. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► Now I remember that yes and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► and that blame landed on Facebook at all it was Facebook if they decide to split their own stuff out so whatever but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2634">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► Oh yeah I guess they would notice that because that is a that's a sort of cutting application half and into two pieces. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► But for four features that are banned because of apps store rules I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► Like I mean I just may just be the people I come in contact. Not that big of a deal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► Like again a lot of these issues are magnified for us because of the circles we travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► and the apple is in its luster type thing is more likely a tertiary effect of what Barker was talking about where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► like Apple needs developers to help drive its platform forward and developers are trying to drive it forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► and every time they go to you know take a step too far. Apple you know snaps the weapons as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► We're not that far but I wanted to make that too useful like what we had to think about for six months or nine months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► or we have something you really really think we could never ever do that so we're never going to let you do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► It's like how do you you become gun shy you become you know sort of the many many articles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► and developers expressing their reservations about using new A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► It's like even in best case it's just like let's lay out this new A.B.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► For a year and see how many people invested it for a year and get there and projected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► and then maybe we'll get the lay of the land and sort of divine with chicken bones and other dice and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► and figure out I think this will probably be OK We'll work on this Vic's month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► and see it like it's making developers more cautious and really they should be blazing their way forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► and making apps that you know like like this to the you know the apps that Apple hasn't even thought of before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► Show us your amazing apps it's just like you get the feeling that some Apple executives mind they like make amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► apps exactly the way I'm envisioning my mind and I'm not going to tell you about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► I have a picture in my mind of what an amazing i would be like I'm not going to tell you what the picture is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► Go make it and if you don't I'm going to reject your app like that's it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► It's a chilling effect on development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► and so like if if customers are going to notice anything it's going to be this multi-year delayed thing from developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► being more cautious to use A.P.I. Them and bring out labs. Absolutely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2755">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► I'm without more interesting features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► and all you need is you know I was thinking of him are going to brothers up like what does it take for some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► subject or to take some of this I will screw this I'm going to under-developed friend right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► They need to be able to make money doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► and some structural issues probably need to be sorted out so they become less of a deterrent like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► Even with all the devices that are out there now you have to think fragmentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► and install base of the most recent version are a huge drag on switching over to Android because you had to wait for so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► long for you know the five point out to be everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► and then you have to deal with so many more devices you had to wait for some sort of consolidation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► but even that is not nearly as bad as it used to be though like they did this crazy thing out of the crease details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► and if you do this crazy thing couple years ago it's our bundling all the A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► Is together into the Google Play services which can self update I was thinking like hardware and patients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► and the screen sizes and and C.P.U. and G.P.U. Combinations of again it's a problem for really just games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2815">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► Like for apps it's a lot less of a problem because you stop mattering as much for apps than the games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► but like the reason I'm not just thinking of games I'm thinking of as in terms of what kind of applications are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► to going to drive the platform forward and do amazing things and no one ever thought of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► and those are always the ones that push the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► and it's easier as right now it's easier to make those on I.O.'s because you have a better idea of what you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► be aiming at and the installed base on a more recent version so you can do something amazing in advanced. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► You can make more money doing it and I was and it will be easier. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► What will it take for those people to baling go to Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► and try to do the same thing because that's what you don't want to happen is someone to come up with a new app idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► that hasn't existed I think Bit Torrent as an example because like planned bittorrent didn't exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► and someone came up with that idea and all our phones Russ's terrible idea to kill your battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► but there were some some time of application that does something that would not be allowed in the App Store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► But that has a user benefit. Users really like this application and it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2875">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Application would not be possible I was going to happen to land on Android first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► and everybody's like well I would get an Apple phone but only Android has insert whatever this killer app is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► Like if Twitter came out today and was only available and your example didn't allow something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► Didn't know I guess I'm as access some crazy thing that you know whatever you don't want you don't want you you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► have that app you want to have like even for something as stupid as flappy bird and even though I'm sure there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► and I enjoy doing everything right you want to be the platform where the great new thing happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► and you can't plan for the great new thing and you don't know where it's going to come from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► and you know I was going to make it and you know know when it's going to appear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► But you do know the more you restrict your platform Dowell higher the chances of the thing will appear only someplace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► when it has a lot to do with also who is using a platform you know like like so many in the chat pointed out it was Hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► and Chad pointed out like you know a lot of times the the gotta have it apps that are only on one platform a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2932">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► and that's not because of technology limitations it's because the developer happened to use the platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► or the most early adopters are on that platform and for the most part that platform today is I lesson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► and it has been I us for a while I think since I since the i Phone was launched it's been eyeless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► but that doesn't that's not guaranteed to always be the case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► Like Instagram launching I was first because that's what you did in two thousand and ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► or whenever it launched today I don't think anything would launch Android first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► but it would be increasingly difficult for service to get really big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► and B i Phone only today because the expectation is patient gets higher every year that you should be on both of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► platforms the same time I would you know I'm still finding I wasn't because I'm just one guy on much ranting over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► world and make a billion dollars from Facebook stock but I can't I couldn't recommend to like a big V.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► Back company want explosive growth I couldn't recommend to them that you go I only necessarily I think I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► plenty that I have both and it's only an hour. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► Our time once you once you once you reach this point where we can say well you know you really should be looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► those platforms it's only a matter of time before something big happens on Android first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► and I don't think we're near that point yet I think we're still a few years off from that being very likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► but the direction we're going that will eventually happen and I don't think Apple really cares about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► or I don't I think they're in denial or I think they you know they don't think it will happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► or they don't think it will be very important and I think they're wrong on both of those they're making assumptions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► Well the other thing Apple has going for in that area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► and it seems to be the strategies of our as you know kind of a game console analogy is that it got so out of consuls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► like how annoying your platform is one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► One lever the one they can always turn is well just sell of the zillion for you know I was hardware devices right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► because if we sell we need to keep selling those because if we don't all of those will be like Windows Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► and we just need to maintain some kind of within some kind of striking distance of Android's market share so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► doesn't become that big of a deal because if Apple had fifteen percent market share wouldn't matter how awesome their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► platform is one matter how permissive there are pretty good rules are they would be like Windows Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► Do I get a nice whatever you have some good developers you make some good apps but it's not enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► So they need to make good hardware and so a lot of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► and so far they've been doing pretty good on that so it's giving them giving them the room to to screw up an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► or view without as many consequences because just like well you know like it with Android no matter how annoying it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► and it has a massive market share that if you are going to be a one of the biggest companies in the world you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► address it because it didn't matter how Banner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► and if you just have to it's like the more they have to market you've got to you got to go do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► Android is all apples only contender because it's got a lot of market share a big market share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► and it's perceived as being better and having customers who are more willing to spend money and sort of work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3113">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► Pavel definitely has a larger share of the of the most desirable customers for most people right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► and they have for a while but I think I think the percentage share of that goes down every year for Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► I don't know that for sure I'm just guessing and I still think they have a pretty healthy lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► but again it's like if you look at at the at the sum of all of this of why somebody would develop for us only or first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► There used to be a lot of very strong reasons. There were a bunch of apps out there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► There were a bunch of it like that this is where people look to get apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► There was a bunch of money to be made potentially all the early adopters uses platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► You personally use this platform you like this platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► There are so many great things you can do only on this platform or easiest on this platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► All those advantages or these motors of any distil exist today. All of them are weaker though than they used to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► Every time Apple does it you know a chilling effect kind of thing we got that preview. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► It just it drops that barrier lower and lower and lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► and again it's a slow progression not an you know no single one of these factors is like totally collapsing suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► they're all just lowering slowly over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► and I just I fear that Apple is going to catch Apple by surprise if one data starts to be some spill over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► and an apple just misses it or they didn't see it coming or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► And then And then what happened after that like what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► when a few prominent I was developers really do switch to Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► and really start making really good stuff I enjoyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► and not a nihilist I don't think we're very far from far away from that happening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► I think that's to happen this coming year and and I don't know what happened after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► but I think the barriers that Apple built around itself are substantially lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► and weaker than I think Apple thinks they are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► You think in the next year some on prom and developers are going to bail. Definitely. Yeah like who I don't think so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3231">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► I mean I think with the watch coming there's a lot that's a lot of the strike people are very you know that what would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► that happen with the i Pad I remember like when ready for the i Pad came out was when the Nexus One came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► and a whole bunch eyeless developers were like oh man the Nexus One it's kind of interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► and Google sent a bunch of them for free upset a lot of people including me I should disclose after the I wonder if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► should make a stripper's Web site work better on this maybe eventually I make an app for it someday and then Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► and see I've had like a month later and then we all get attractive but I've had it for three years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► That might happen with the watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► Maybe Apple's banking on that may be Apple's assuming that will happen with the watch. I'm not entirely sure it will. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► I think first of all you know watch kit in year one is going to be pretty limited in what you can even do with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► and what kind of ads even make sense to have a watch App Not to mention if you think Apple is being you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► and capricious with the App Store rules with today widgets you haven't seen anything yet is we to watch comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► and they start denying apps for that for things that we consider invalid or stupid reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► or they start enforcing inconsistent rules for that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► Believe me there's going to be a lot of that going on it's like I'm I'm actually honestly a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► and there's nothing to I think a lot of developers are going to us in conclusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► and you know they're going to see the stuff that Apple's pulling now with with the Iowa State things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► and they get a look at this newest became the I would watch him like well should I really spend the next three months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► developing a watch kit thing or should I just wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► and see how the market shakes out because we're going to see a whole bunch of app review B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► Next spring when this comes out we're going to see a lot of active U.B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► when the watch first comes out those big old wrestling he said with the i Pad if you're one of the first chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► On the watch you get massive massive leg up on everybody else you always want to be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► when your device about a new category of device like the i Pad like the i Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3355">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► So I don't think that's going to sway maybe it'll who think they have a shot at being there and knowledge maybe but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► but but again though there's also there's not a whole lot you can do with the watch caps quite yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► It doesn't matter you can charge ninety nine cents for your app that is watch integration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► and you get ninety nine cents or numbing sixty nine point nine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► Well it's it's not really the country either right because you need to have a standalone app first in order to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► watch Kid app in presumably many of the watch Kid apps will be built upon standalone apps that presumably you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► and most people are tweeting too I don't know in any case let's talk about something else that's really cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3394">TS</a>]
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00:59:22 ◼ ► Write any other thoughts on the apps store stuff before we move along. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► There's always a it's like fall over that there's always going to be thoughts on the never ending pit of thoughts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► My final thought I think is that it's within Apple's power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► and they have done it before to smooth over the worst of these misfires by talking directly to the affected developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► until they're roughly satisfied and that is simultaneously the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► and the worst thing that can happen is the best thing then that people come out of it happy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► We get the features we want to be Thursday everyone comes to have a prize of room walks away satisfied. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3594">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► It doesn't address the structural problem which causes these bear attack flare ups from average you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► and years so I don't know if we should just be hoping for a larger crisis which will become a crisis unity for us too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► for for Apple to actually fix the problems that I know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► or we should be hoping for just for the the bad decisions to be averse and to go back to sleeping bear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► Yeah mostly I mean I don't know it's just it seems like such a silly problem to have but whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► For speaking of silly problems to have Let's talk about time commitments and I wanted to talk about a couple things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► First is fastest is not for sale anymore. What I pulled today. There goes your M three an hour right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► Tens of people a day are going to disappointed by this not be a good day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► Now I pulled it for a handful of reasons and there's a point here but it's going to take me a second to get there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► I pulled it because ACA hire. Yeah that's totally it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► I pulled it because I feel like I'm kind of kidding myself in thinking that I'm going to find the time to get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► updated for I was seven and given that we're already months into Iowa say that's kind of getting ridiculous. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► I'm getting to the point that I'm feeling guilty every time I do see a sales day of more than zero which is most days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► although it if it's more than five I'm doing a happy dance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► I'm getting guilt or I'm feeling guilty about selling someone something that's so dated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► and knowing deep down in my heart of hearts that the likelihood of me updating it is not good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► And as John seemed in the chat I'm really getting over that being a joke now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► and to be honest it deserves to be a joke it is kind of ridiculously funny and it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3715">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► Certain that we are on i OS eight and I have not yet updated for i OS seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► but in the end of the day it occurred to me that it's really serving no good purpose it served its purpose which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► for me to prove to myself that I could get something in the App Store and I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► and I'm still proud of that accomplishment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► But I'm no longer really proud of the way the app is today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► and it's a little better on my phone because I've updated most of the issues for i OS seven and eight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► I saw the couple lingering bugs that I haven't had time to look at but and I was talking Aaron about it earlier today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► I don't I can't imagine a time when I'm going to look at her and now we're getting little into analog territory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3756">TS</a>]
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01:02:54 ◼ ► and decide that it's something you shouldn't do. But anyway why not just leave it there and be free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► I could but then it's still it's still going to be oh how are you still been updated to yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► and I'm just I'm over that because it's true and ridiculous like I'm grumpy about it I think because I know it's true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► Like if it was like the good health K.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► Joke I still find that kind of funny because it's so hopefully not really true anymore. And so I've gotten past it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► You're more famous than I was now on about that but anyway. But but in this case it is true and and that's just it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► I'm feeling super guilty about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► Have you done a lot of open source development or contributing to open source projects. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► Not really I mean I have camel out on the on good hub which I actually want to talk about as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► But in terms of contributing to like massive open source projects I haven't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3824">TS</a>]
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01:03:57 ◼ ► or library if nothing else this is a library that. Runs E.D.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3837">TS</a>]
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01:04:08 ◼ ► dame librarian pigeon as the client. You are correct it's purple and pigeon is the client you're absolutely right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► Anyways I looked into contributing to. I actually may not have even been lip purple it might have been A.T.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3854">TS</a>]
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01:04:35 ◼ ► that and I feel like I'm pretty good at what I do but it was so esoteric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► and wild that I realized it was not even worth jumping in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► and so I have in short I haven't really contributed to any established open source projects now I bring that up because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► in the end this implied time commitment of open source projects was the subheading here on this topic what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► thinking of is my open source project that I started myself or published some are attributed to that I did years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► and years ago and most of them are all still out there and they're far worse off than fast X. Believe me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► Barf I like things that I haven't worked on in a decade or more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► and were never very good because they were written by you know the much younger version of myself right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► And I mean very I'm going to time go and things like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► There's code out there with my name on it is terrible that I'm embarrassed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► but I don't pull it because it's like that's sort of part of the open source thing is like I write the source code. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► I put it up there and it's free for anyone to grab and use and my working on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► No and by adding features now my fixing bugs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► That's a bigger discussion but it's it's super low priority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► but it would never occur to me to take it down even you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► and maybe it's like Katie said manner of distance from either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3956">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► Like this who is going where it's not true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► or you know you you feel these complaints are founded of someone complained to me that the one of my C.P.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► I would agree with them as cases seems to agree that fast sex you know is out of date at this point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► But it wouldn't drive me to put I would like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► and I don't think there is an implied commitment for me to continue to maintain for free in this open source code that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► I wrote in one thousand nine hundred seventy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► I mean a lot to be fair the context a different of having an app in the App Store versus having a supermodel available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► they don't but if it's free even if it's for charge I understand that as you try to feel many feel bad about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► but if it's free then you know it's exactly like the open source code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► and the sense of like well you know whatever you get what you paid for you didn't like it was a crappy Abdoulaye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► different from you didn't pay a dime for it right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► If you don't like the software that's going to you downloaded and deleted her desk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► Fine you know it's it's the same type of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► and the reason is that he was pulling it is because he felt he felt bad or guilty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► when people would complain to the apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► and updated it's like yeah that's not updated I'm not doing fast acting anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► but that's techs that I didn't do was there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► If it stops working and I was then yeah pull it or market is only work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► and older alike eventually will age out if you don't modify it right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► Unlike most open source software because Unix never changes like it will continue to work right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► Or if a dozen people to stop complaining about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► But anyway that's how I feel about my older projects is that I feel the same way K.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► Does in Paris by the members by their being not being updated you know and I feel the same way about future. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► Putting more time into it am I going to know because I have many other things that I'm doing in my time these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► but I but my decision given all those things is not to pull but just to leave it there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► Festering I guess I mean nothing like I totally get this I mean I went through some of the same things with buckshot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► bugs does not work. On the new i Phones for some reason and I don't even know why I never listen to the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► I have spent five minutes on it could be a five minute fix I don't know the reason why it doesn't work is less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► important than the reason why I'm not working on it which is that it made no money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► Basically no money made I think thirty five hundred dollars. The vast majority of which was the very first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► That's no money all year Dorval now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► Well MUCH MUCH MONEY FAST tax is made I don't think I have if I don't but I when there are dollars I will do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► and you do but I don't have the numbers in front of me so I don't want to lie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► but I am extraordinarily confident it's less than a thousand dollars and I'm pretty confident it was at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► or less than five hundred over the course of I think four years it's been in the store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► OK well I feel like a jerk but it made a hole it made that amount of money up front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4133">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► and then it just stopped making money like it was bet it was down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► and I remember there was even a brief time we were comparing buckshot to fast and they were fairly comparable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► So like you know it had a good month and then it was over so that the fact is that it didn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► and I was eight on the new devices and what are C.E.O.'s of devices I don't even know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► It wasn't even worth spending fifteen minutes on because if I'm going to make bug shot continue as a product I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► do a proper update to it for I was eight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► Which would mean a full photo library integration so that you could for instance ante to screen shot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► and then delete it from your camera which you can't do in the current version if you couldn't do that you'll have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► get things like be an extension so you could be you know that they have the photo editing extension type. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► Why isn't bug shot a photo editing extension so I will want to do that too I would want to make it look up a proper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► updated app if I'm to keep it in the store and keep working and keep it running as a product and the fact is it just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4193">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► Doesn't make enough money. It never made enough money to make that really worth doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► when I look at how I want to spend this time which is what you were saying to me about you we look at like how do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► want to spend the evening of coding fixing bugs shot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► but should really be you know at least a couple of weeks according to really do what I would want with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► So you know do I want to spend the next two weeks of coding time fixing bugs shot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► or improving overcast which is making money and which is you know seemingly a more deserving source of my time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► Or if if I'm throwing around to you coding time show even try a whole different at maybe some creative thing for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► watch. You know I'm sure I try to hold whole new product to give that a chance to succeed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► So I made the decision it was not worth me putting any more time into it I didn't want to put any more time into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► because it simply wasn't interesting and it wasn't going to pay off and the things I wanted to do with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► We're never going to be worth doing with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4257">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► And so for Kinser Casey first of all I feel like a jerk for ever making fun of you now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► Second of all but it was deserved or well deserved baby a poor choice of words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► but it was accurate it was I mean it was meant to be insulting and meant to be funny you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► But so now it's OK jerk I'm sorry but I don't feel bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► But I totally understand what you're saying which is like you can't forsee a time where you're going to choose to spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► your time doing that instead of anything else with your work or family and I get that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► I totally get that like if that's your reason I totally support it because I've made the same kind of decision that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► think you should be making the GOING TO did you publish or is it free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► I pulled it I made it free a few months after at least when it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► when it was clear maybe six months after it became very clear after a while it was making like between zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► and three sales a day even at a dollar it was doing very badly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► And and so I that's I'm just going to linger for why I did. You pull it after it was free. It's not working. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4316">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► Also there you know that's the mark Australia endorse Maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► when I stopped working poet because then you because then you're basically you're not putting more time into a bit like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► some of my bugs are just because Mark was not interested in putting in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► and doesn't make it all of them not a useful application especially for the poor like someone saying you know this idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► when you're not going to put in more time you have to leave you know on the stories for years Bagley clutters a store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► No that's exactly the kind of clutter I want when I'm looking for an app and like I just want something quick and free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► I wanted to be an app that a good developer has abandoned maybe it's not the best that maybe it's an I was six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► but it's not going to feel bad is actually going to do something useful not to be filled with you know spammy reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► that somebody paid for I would love to stumble upon bugs shot as a free screenshot annotation app that I needed in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► pinch than something on the eight thousand other three apps which are probably not even screen chaps at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► but some kind of like secret portal to you know some sort of online gambling thing or something who knows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► So I have I would say that you should consider putting fast text back it's very intense not to work in that point don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► put any more time into you don't want to but if someone is looking for an app that does a fast test text does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► but that's not filled with now where they'll download it for free will do what it does if they don't like the deleted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► fine like I think you know you did put work into it does do something it is functional. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► Why not let people benefit from it even though you may feel bad about not updating or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► but I don't you know I wouldn't spend time feeling bad about that because you're just making a choice about what to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► So one of the reasons is I feel like it's calling attention to something that isn't my best work which I know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► talked about as you see Pan modules but I don't know I just gotten older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► and as I've gotten to be some kind of internet persona I take a lot of pride in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4429">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► Things that I put out into the Internet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► and well camel for example the blogging software that I wrote the powers case whois dot com It's not terribly great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► code but it's not terribly bad code and it works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► And honestly I'm pretty proud of my website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► and maybe some people read it maybe they don't maybe some listeners will read it and be like why is he proud of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► and that's OK I mean if you don't get it that doesn't matter to me because I'm proud of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► and I'm not proud of fast text anymore and but the thing don't you think that's the way it should be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► I've always considered it a badge of honor a desirable trait that if you are a programmer you should always look back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► at the code you wrote in the past and think it's bad because if you don't that means you're not getting any better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► So if you look at the code your last year you should find problems with it now that you didn't find then if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► the code that you wrote five years ago it should look disgusting it was ten years ago to look like nonsense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► and you can't even believe you are the same person who wrote it like that should be true for the life of a working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4497">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► program so the fact that you are no longer proud of FESTAC as a product as a as a pilot source code as a whatever shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► that you are making progress that if you were to make it now you would do it better you would see things in it now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► that are you know that are more wrong or they could be done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► You know me like that I don't think that should dissuade you like and yes is not your best work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► Yes it's bad that someone might google your name and someone across this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► and not see the date on it unlike him ascending with the pen model someone stumbles across you know as my largest giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► pile of public Procardia look at it it's all crap and decide that I'm a programmer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► That's like I guess I'm willing to take that risk that they don't see the dates and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► or whatever especially since it was all the topic they can get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► and a bit of Especially since I am still actually maintaining that code unlike your deciding not to maintain fast X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► but I don't think you should feel bad about just because you're not proud of it I think I think all of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► applications all your endeavors. You should look back on and say that is no longer up to my. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4553">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► Standards and I do and I mean I was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► Here's the comedy of all this how I know I made the right call as I had like half an hour to fiddle around tonight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► and I ended up adding a feature to camel rather than futzing with fast text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► and so that's how I knew that I probably made the right call but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► I agree with you and and even as I was looking at camel Earlier tonight I looked at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► and thought Oh God I should really refactor like half of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► but I feel like with fast text it's sort of advertising that I'm not good at what I'm sort of supposed to be good at to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► Same thing as my theory then modules about Perl code of mine can you see you can see old code that's bad code can't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► see all the code are right for my employers I think it's a little different to me I find it a little different though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► because your perl code does not directly relate to the things you're known for on the Internet it's not like you're I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4615">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► mean the best analogy I can think of is like old crappy system seven reviews that are still out on which I know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► never wrote but just hypothetically don't know if you if you want to go for that. My old O S ten or views are terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► The writing is terrible I cannot even look at them I just know I've said this before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► and it I don't know why I'm the only person internet pointing this out because it's the worst they have ever say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► but people want to know if I use smileys in some of them old clothes around here in the middle of the text. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► That's and that's what I'm known for his tender views and they're out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► and the writing is terrible the content is terrible and it's just one I don't want to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► but am I going to pull those reviews you know that you can really special editions that have all the crap removed at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► much new crap out of people keep asking for you know a collection of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► and I'm like that would mean that I would have to make hard decisions about you know I'd like to look at special. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4674">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► Take out the Smileys like what order of the line. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► Queen of the mat line in the dust and scratches the smile is counted out lines I think oh goodness. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► So I mean I understand your point and to me it just seems it seems different probably because it's me and not you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► I just look at it differently but I understand your point about making a free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► and that's actually something I hadn't really thought about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► and maybe I'll do that maybe maybe I want to I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► but I just I feel like I feel like it calls attention to something I guess that what I'm trying to say to the C.P.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► Modules you have to kind of seek out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► Whereas I think if I were a random person looking at looking to figure out who the three of us are you know for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► they would find your O S ten reviews which granted the older ones may not be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► but the newer ones are just freakin phenomenal and for Marco they'll find a laundry list of successful applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► and projects and Business Insider blog posts. Well there's that too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► But but but for me I don't want someone to stumble upon fast text and judge me based on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► and I guess in summary maybe just plain pride but I don't know I just I felt like the right answer was to pull it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► and several years you're going to say the same thing about the podcast we're recording right now are not enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► That's very true that's very true. I mean that like this is true of everything like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► If you're getting better at things which most of us do continue to get better things as as we get older. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► Especially things not having to do with the calorie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► You will look back on what you've done previously even if it's the thing you're most known for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► and think it is not up to your standards and that you could do better now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► or find things wrong with it that you didn't find wrong with a now I think you should be proud of fast X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► If I had an app on the App Store I will leave it there until it broke. I think making it go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4795">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► but I would definitely believe I lived out there just just sort of like prove to the world that like you said I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:10 ◼ ► make an iris up once and it does work and did do things and here it is and maybe you just change how you refer to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4810">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► and sort of your on line resume like in my little section on my website. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► Like retired podcast podcast that I'm no longer doing right now that you should feel better as you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:27 ◼ ► but you know you gotta do what you gotta do I also think you should put food on the I can protect her dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4827">TS</a>]
01:20:36 ◼ ► Fascitis sure if you can get me more than twenty bucks out South America really reversal here in hundreds to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4836">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► something instead of selling it. Yeah right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► Well why don't you tell us Marco about something that awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► and then I'd like to talk a little bit about like what John was referring to earlier which is the implied time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► commitment of open source projects which is a kind a different animal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► We're sponsored finally this week by our friends an igloo igloo is an Internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► You will actually like it with easy to use absolute share counters Twitter like micro blogs file sharing task [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► management and more igloo is everything you need to work better together in one very configurable cloud platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► Go to a glue Software dot com slash A.T.P. To sign up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:21 ◼ ► and very reasonably priced After that it's incredible if you needed internet for a group of ten people or fewer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► Just go do it it's free forever. Fantastic it was offered a com slash A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► With a response of resign your internet already works like a champ on virtually any device I O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:36 ◼ ► Android even Blackberry you can review document post a project update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► or change them in settings all right from your phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► Plus when you design your igloo any change you make to the look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► and feel carries across all devices all the designs are responsive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► and customizable to you in fact their file preview engine is also fully H.T.M.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► Five compatible so when your co-workers ability a proposal or a Java Script file or a document you can preview. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4913">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► I'd add comments upload new versions or assign action items. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► All right from your phone even it doesn't support Flash or Java or anything like that it's all H.T.M.L. Five. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► So it was recently featured in the Gartner Magic Quadrant. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► If you're a business you know what this means if you're a customer this might sound like jibberish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► Gardner's famous Magic Quadrant for social software included a glue they appear for the sixth consecutive year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► alongside tech giants like Microsoft I.B.M. Google V.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► Ware Sales Force dot com And as a P for the values the viability of the vendor it is praised for the response of MS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► If your company has a legacy has a legacy Internet built on Share Point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► or old core of technology you definitely should give it Lou try the really cool fantastic Internet really an entrant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► you actually like and anybody's ever had to use a corporate Internet before. That's a pretty bold statement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► And if they follow through with it it's really great so a glue loose Software dot com slash A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4971">TS</a>]
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01:23:01 ◼ ► and a very reasonably priced after that really free for up ten people. Humans will do it there's no downside.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4981">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► Go try it free for up to ten people go to the Software dot com slash A.T.P. Thanks a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► So the other thing I want to talk about is the implied time commitments of open source software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► and I first became affected by this when I open source camel which again is the no J.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► Based blogging platform that I use to power my website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► and I got enough attention from it that a handful of people had forked it and had issued poll requests and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► or made various comments on good hug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► and I noticed that a lot of times I just didn't have the time to handle these any timely manner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► and apparently I'm trying to squeeze more time in a sense thirty four times anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5035">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► Now Anyhow occasionally there were there were instances where people would issue a pull request wait a day or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► and then like poll or rescind the poll request saying oh I guess you didn't like this. Those people are jerks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► Well kind a Yeah but at the same time I feel or felt especially when there was a little more activity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► A couple months back a few months back I felt this like overwhelming burden put on me to get through these poll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► requests in a timely manner and I probably shouldn't have and this comes back to what John was saying earlier. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► But nevertheless I felt huge amounts of guilt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► and this burden because I wasn't getting through these poll requests quickly enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► and it was something I totally did not expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► and it's a wonderful wonderful thing in that people care enough to be issuing these poll requests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► but at the same time I was not prepared for I kind of thought in my head that I was going to just throw it out into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► Internet and then kind of walk away never look back and turns out that's not really the case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► Yeah so but the thing that I'm struggling with a similar only over a longer timeline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► and now you can tell me what you think I should do about this so I really see by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► and see Ben models out there most of them nobody uses anymore which is kind of the ideal that Casey was looking for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► Like you throw it out there and you know and no one looks at it again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► and I have some like my first one actually from the ninety's probably doesn't work anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► But no one downloaded to nobody knows that so it's fine but I do have a couple that people are still using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► and what you did back in the day and what you probably still do today when you go to see them much will became popular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► If you made a website for a Dios of the source code somewhere where people could you know where you had a bug tracker. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► You put it in version control you gave commit bits of the diary for people you want to contribute to the project you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► started a mailing list. And like you just you built up this ecosystem around us pretty good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► Yeah well this is the way to her get her like this before a source for chocolates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► or sword he was like wow this whole web site does all the stuff for you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► So one of the actual time commitments of having an open source project like this is that I have had to move those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► things to new places and the old places go away or become crappy like source for chess right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► So I move in source or to code I'll probably move from google code to get hub move version control from C.V.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► To some version now I'm starting to show my age here from some version to get which I probably will do eventually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:43 ◼ ► And those are things it's like at the time you have those decisions. Well I could just leave it there for ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5203">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► But maybe the mountain is broke or maybe something's not working or maybe nobody uses C.V.S. Anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:55 ◼ ► So do I not put any more time in and just you know like remove it from the Internet or just like let it die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5215">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► or do I put in a day or two to move these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► and historically have decided that it's worth putting in the time to do these conversions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► and to move the stuff around or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► and the second part is I see you've got this image of like a mailing list you've got a mailing list is kind of like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► implicit support channel where people will post questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► and the malice is so low volume of the only person I was who can answer me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► and over the course of a decade literally this is malice there which is degenerated to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► I give free support for a module that I hadn't worked on in years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► Right so people ask a question and literally the only personal answer is me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► and do I should I spend time answering these people they're not my customers are not giving any money do I have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► commitment to help these people with their programming problems which often are nothing to do with my model. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► Not really and so I struggle with the guilt of like do I just not answer anyone's questions anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► and that's how this analyst I do I shut down the mailing list or do I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5276">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► Why spend the five minutes to answer a question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► and then the final thing which case it was going to is the equivalent in the GO code world using subversion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► and go code instead of getting Get help pull requests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► and bug reports some reports a bug someone reports a bug in the patch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► Someone makes feature request feature requests I'm pretty OK with just ignoring this point it's like well you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► you want an implemented but then what if they go off an implement it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► and send me a patch then I have to get with like my case he was like well I probably wouldn't add that feature myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► or maybe it would add up but I would do in a different way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:34 ◼ ► and the same thing with bug fixes they would send the Senate passed with a bug fix and a test and everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5314">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► and documentation and it's like you just always take some time to clean those things up put them in test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5320">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► and cut a new release so and so forth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► And my decision so far has been I will incorporate bug fixes if you report a bug is reproducible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► and you have a test case I will fix that bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► or figure out what it takes to take it so I won't add features for the most part and thus you send a feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5334">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► and tied up in a little bow I'll spend fifteen minutes half an hour an hour to get it integrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► or for a module that I myself don't use anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5346">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► That is terrible in that no one should really use that you know that is really old. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► The source code that I can barely look at anymore but I mean I don't know what's driving me to put any time into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► and so I I almost feel like that I'm like a slave to the lingering popularity of a once popular set of for all modules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► that I just I don't know how to like sometimes I find myself thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► when I get a message the email isn't someone make some demand or whatever might want you to implement it yourself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► Like if you're if you're so hot about it like you know why should I answer this question for you why should I fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► but all you get you get resentful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► Like not their fault like I don't I don't act on the things that you feel like and I am your free servant why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► Like it's like a stack overflow one like that but I'm not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5396">TS</a>]
01:30:01 ◼ ► and I guess a lot of time it's you know it's from either something simple where they don't understand something basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5401">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► about programming or like being sanely most complex thing I've got this and that and the other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► and they're all tied together like this and I'm doing this and that and then I would like to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► and you think of a way I can do this it's like Are you kidding. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► That's what I do for a job I get paid to do that that is a very complicated problem that we have a white board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► and like days to sit down to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► and it's like well answer for free for me on this mailing list just so I'm going to benefit generation with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► things mostly dealing with it by doing the minimal work necessary to make myself feel guilty which means actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► fixing bugs because people are using these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:38 ◼ ► and I don't want to fix bugs like my final out is to hand off this model to someone who cares like you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5438">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► equivalent Marco selling his stuff to someone who wants a thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► Is there somebody who wants to take over maintain or ship of this here you go go with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► and I won't do that because I still have some tiny bit of pride in like this was once a pretty good thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► I spent a long time implementing and running tests and documentation and it still kind of works sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5456">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► and you know I don't know I just don't feel like I want to give it up because I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► So anyway I don't know how to deal with that situation it's a constant source of guilt and potential time suckage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► Now Marco How have you dealt with F C model because that's probably the most active of anything we've described I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► Well recently I mean probably the most used thing I've ever done is buckshot kit which I haven't touched in a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► and for many the same reason I haven't took buckshot in fact much of buckshot goes in book jacket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► but it's mostly because you know it I did it it worked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:40 ◼ ► I use it for a while I no longer use buckshot kit in my own app on his I don't really need that kind of integration of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5500">TS</a>]
01:31:47 ◼ ► testing and stuff anymore and that's it so I haven't touched in a long time and it doesn't really need anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5507">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► It generally works and you know all the code is pretty simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► and if you needed to do something you can just do it yourself in your own app. I do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5516">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► Only get pull requests on buckshot kit if it's something really trivial that's an obvious you know minor improvement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► or minor bug fix I'll just accept it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► If it's more than that I'll usually sit on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► and forget to do it for a month in the vengefully it'll become so ridiculous at data that there's no point accepting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:18 ◼ ► kind of like old emails with S.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5538">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► Model is different so there really isn't a group of people out there wandering around looking like your open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► library that does some really specific thing that they don't need to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► or that some really general thing like like your utility library like I have my utility library open source like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► Nobody looks at it I get noble requests on it like it's gets no activity because there's not a whole lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► looking around for your utility library so just like there's not a lot of value that for most people not to get pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:54 ◼ ► requests you know you know they don't just come from the poll request fairies like they like they come from people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5574">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► are using your code. People who need the code you've written who value it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► The code for which there aren't a lot of alternatives or there aren't a lot of big well known alternatives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► and that they need to be modified in some way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► and in the percentage of those people who actually go through with the modification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► or release filing a bug report with you or asking you about it rather than just ripping it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► and doing something else or taking quietly themselves and never submit back to you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► So for most projects most open source projects. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► The reason why you probably get a noble request because you like just having open source something doesn't inherently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► make it like useful to enough people that they will start using it and submitting improvements to you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► I do completely agree with John that it is kind of annoying though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► when somebody to mythical request is like well intentioned but either something that I wouldn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► or something I would've done differently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5630">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► Well eight are even poorer because what if someone sent you an email because you don't have a malice for a C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► Model or anything as far as I know I sent you an e-mail and said Hey I was using your. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5636">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► Never your utility library as he model bugs I get whatever and I was trying to do X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► and I couldn't quite figure a way to do it I tried to do this and it didn't quite work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► and I thought maybe you could do that but I'm not sure if I'm using your own can you help me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► What would you do with that email I would respond probably the most it was a really quick response. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► You would not respond at all I would be looking at the support email I mean I get so much e-mail I can't I can't spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► like a half hour respond to that that that's all I'm saying like that type of the writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► and imagine if you got like maybe three of those a week for a decade starts there where I knew I just feel like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► you feel so bad like I am the king of ignoring people's emails right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► I don't even know even I start to feel bad because it's like especially with programming questions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► Happens on Twitter too it's like I could get the answer to this question often by this point I will be someone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► goes I remember anymore like you could if you have the answer the question could be you can use my usual elaborate do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5697">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► that because doesn't work that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► and then you feel like now you're in a conversation with them they're you like looking at that feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:07 ◼ ► and then your only answer is like no because I'm not spending time and I don't want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:11 ◼ ► and then it's like it's like you just wasted your you wasted more time than you want to spend on this and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5711">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► and that's the best case trying to get out as fast as possible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► The worst case is you don't know the answer and you have to investigate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:21 ◼ ► and you're like why am I invested in this guy's programming problem you know I mean like are you just because you wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5721">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► F C model does that mean that there is implicit support contract with everyone who tries to use a few miles do you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► No Mike I don't think you do but if you don't you end up looking like a jerk if you reply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► and say sorry this library is not supported there you like. I demand my money back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:42 ◼ ► What are they going to say but they will think you're a jerk. F.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5742">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► Model is actually a really good example of everything working very very well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► So the quick version is it's it's a very thin lightweight model where instead of using the link. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:56 ◼ ► or data it's basically sticking a very thin layer on top of S.Q. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5756">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► Right and you can do things you know like the database when I use this because I'm a jerk and I don't like or data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► and I like to read everything myself so I wrote the thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► F C model has what appears to be very few users I think I would guess a number of people building after that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► It is a very small group of people but of those like three or four of them actually actively submit push pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► and pull requests and they're actually really good and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► and usually will discuss something like before a substantial change will discuss it in an issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► and I'll write the facts you know because I'm a control freak but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► when people people have submitted so many like little tiny bug fixes and little improvements here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:44 ◼ ► and there there are only a few lines long and that's all great but you start supporting them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5804">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► when someone says hey I was trying to this thing it didn't work because I did this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► You are providing support because your support is engaging in a discussion with them about the future getting at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:59 ◼ ► heart of what it is that they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5819">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► and then you maintain ownership by Center saying well this is how I would do it in this is what I would do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► and then implementing that So it's a support function you're essentially implementing features at their request maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:11 ◼ ► just not exactly the way they did and talking to them answering their questions about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5831">TS</a>]
01:37:15 ◼ ► Well I am except well but if it's like a how does this work question you usually don't answer those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5835">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► And sometimes somebody else will which is really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► but I don't get a lot of those because again not a lot of people use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► and the people you don't know what they're doing like not a bunch of beginners flooding into like I am. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► I just started writing my first I was out and I stumbled across your thing can you tell me how to use it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:33 ◼ ► Right because they are not going to be looking for sunlight as they're going to be using core data because that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5853">TS</a>]
01:37:38 ◼ ► and that's fine that's they should be using some like this probably cord it is much simpler than your modules will be fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► Right. So what's great about this though is it like the reason why I'm engaged with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:51 ◼ ► The reason why I react to the poll requests and I improve it is purely selfish it's because I use it in overcast and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5871">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► I'll probably use it in any near future apps that I would write as well like not I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:04 ◼ ► and things that are pregnant and just if I was something new I'd probably use it again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► That's why I pay attention because it's improving my app too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:13 ◼ ► And my my needs for overcast drive a few miles development. The bugs I wouldn't do I fix an F.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5893">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► Model etc The performance issues are until I fix their Everyone gets out so this is the honeymoon period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:27 ◼ ► when you're still using it for your own work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5907">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► I had several models for the most part were written for jobs I had at the time so that I could write them put them up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► and then get the benefits I was able to give its various people I work for that there is a benefit in open sourcing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► this part of the product because I will get used to cheer other people bug reports from other people like you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► the open source model and it worked for the years that the software was relevant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► but as it became less relevant it sort of aged out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► I stopped using it other people stopped using it now it's like a zombie for right now if the model is new relevant it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5933">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► extremely relevant in light of the various weird you know I got core data things that were going on right now which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► and that you know so it's definitely in the period where you are reaping the benefits of of this being a module that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:17 ◼ ► but it's it's useful to you even if you are the only user you would like to have it out there just in case something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5957">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► happens to stumble across it because and find some bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:25 ◼ ► or you know whatever like even the you know the talking to the to the bear thing where I said nobody ever looked at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5965">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► source code but the mere act of publishing it like you know the mere act of you publishing a blog post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► or something cause you to find a typo that you didn't see when you've been staring out of the previous hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:39 ◼ ► when it was in your you know unpublished state. Oh yeah I mean the F.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5979">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► Model is probably the best couldn't overcast by a long shot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► And would you say that's because of the contributions now because he had to show it to people who had to clean it up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:54 ◼ ► I mean it's both I mean like one thing the contributions have really helped with is like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/5994">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► The contribution of often be by very good programmers who have been around much longer than I have at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► or is better than me at it and they will they will use a convention that I didn't even know existed like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6005">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► Like instead of doing you know processor defines for string constants will do the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► Turn thing or like using and you knew instead of defining a new in the old C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► Ways of the some autocomplete thing works better like there's little things like that that I pick up from the poll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:28 ◼ ► and the dreaded words like it's like I'm working with a bunch of smart people who are slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:32 ◼ ► and steadily improving my own skills by showing me cool things I could do like any rows I could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6032">TS</a>]
01:40:36 ◼ ► or show a better way to doing things in very you know it oftentimes in very small ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6036">TS</a>]
01:40:40 ◼ ► but over time that builds up I mean if the model is really like it is by far the only successful open source thing I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6040">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► and the most successful teachers ever done everything else of every open source has been really minimally benefited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► anybody including me and you know John you're right as your model is in the honeymoon phase because I'm using it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6056">TS</a>]
01:41:02 ◼ ► I stop using bugs and so bugs it is languishing and will probably never going to fit again if I ever stop using a C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6062">TS</a>]
01:41:10 ◼ ► Model the project will probably die at that point or somebody else can take it over if they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6070">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► but probably I want to and that would be it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► But right now I'm still using it and I suspect I'll be using it for a while. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:23 ◼ ► So yes right now I'm fine so I guess my my way out is I just have to get better at ignoring them I can ever you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6083">TS</a>]
01:41:32 ◼ ► bug reports though I can probably you know our feature requests you know stuff like that of oh that'll be sad because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6092">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► that old you know people don't know it's going to be said for bug reports like how can ignore them you know all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:49 ◼ ► just pile up like yeah this bug I just feel like I have to fix it. Especially just like you know it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6109">TS</a>]
01:41:55 ◼ ► That still works so I guess it's still working software I think it's a shame too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6115">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► Work itself or become on working just because of one minor thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► I don't know I will probably just insane to limp along with stuff like I keep hoping that people lose interest entirely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:09 ◼ ► But but they don't people still sign up for the mailing list and like you know I don't understand them. I'm conflicted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6129">TS</a>]
01:42:19 ◼ ► Thanks a lot to our sponsors this week. Oscar Bakley is an igloo and he will see you next week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6139">TS</a>]
01:42:28 ◼ ► Now that's a downturn and she's accepted That's right. So John you got a P S four last week sometime. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6148">TS</a>]
01:43:32 ◼ ► I knew I was going to get one eventually and I kept telling myself I will get one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6212">TS</a>]
01:43:36 ◼ ► when there's a game that I want to play and of course I would love for the game to be Last Guardian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6216">TS</a>]
01:43:40 ◼ ► but you know I say it surely will be some other game that I want to play before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6220">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► when the last of us remastered came out I thought that might be the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6224">TS</a>]
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01:44:29 ◼ ► or whatever and I still think that they load faster off the hard drive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6269">TS</a>]
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01:45:17 ◼ ► but it fully satisfied everything that I thought it would be it's not really my dad to gamble anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6317">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► But but but mostly is annoying about the P S four is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:27 ◼ ► and I knew that going in is that is not going to be a drop in replacement for my P S three because Sony concentrated so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6327">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► heavily on the game features that they're seemingly like obstinately opposed to doing new media center type stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► they don't sell a Bluetooth like remote for not you know like a remote remote that looks like a T.V. Remote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6346">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► So you have to use the game if you want to use it as your own. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:57 ◼ ► Blu ray player like my P S three is always on my Blu ray player. Or if you want to use your B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6357">TS</a>]
01:46:01 ◼ ► For as a player you have to use the controller and that is ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6361">TS</a>]
01:46:04 ◼ ► and I can have the controller sitting there on the end table so I can just I just want to that there are third party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6364">TS</a>]
01:46:10 ◼ ► remotes that you can buy but all of them had terrible reviews and all of them use an I.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6370">TS</a>]
01:46:14 ◼ ► Interface connected to the U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6374">TS</a>]
01:46:15 ◼ ► Thing and I was like Sony can you just make a remote like charge some stupid ridiculous amount for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6375">TS</a>]
01:46:20 ◼ ► and I'll buy it I just want a remote they used to didn't they for the P S three of the P S The P S three has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6380">TS</a>]
01:46:25 ◼ ► Bluetooth remote that works is B S three I'm pretty sure it doesn't work with the P S four some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6385">TS</a>]
01:46:30 ◼ ► and if it does we're going to be a source on the chair and tell me I will. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6390">TS</a>]
01:46:33 ◼ ► I control my P S three with the harmony thing is that has a Bluetooth interface and I can do it and it works great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6393">TS</a>]
01:46:39 ◼ ► Yeah if I can find anyone knows that I want to send feedback to show a Bluetooth remote that works with the P S four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6399">TS</a>]
01:46:45 ◼ ► natively without any real drivers and that works well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6405">TS</a>]
01:46:48 ◼ ► That's fine and some of the charities point out my very next point no deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6408">TS</a>]
01:46:51 ◼ ► and I support for you know streaming video of all the various House devices in my house that can do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6411">TS</a>]
01:46:57 ◼ ► and so you know forget about like having the Plex operated like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6417">TS</a>]
01:47:01 ◼ ► Just the basic media center type stuff I can play everywhere if you can play Blu ray movies on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6421">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► and I bet it's pretty OK Blu ray player although I was researching this a lot of people playing with the very first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:13 ◼ ► The Blu ray player wasn't even as good as the P S three one so I still have my P S three attached I still use it as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6433">TS</a>]
01:47:19 ◼ ► blew a player I don't really use it for D.N.A. That much as my T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6439">TS</a>]
01:47:22 ◼ ► Doesn't now natively so I don't want turn on the P S three if I don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6442">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► but depending on where video comes from and what format it's in. Sometimes I have to use P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:32 ◼ ► Three media server sometimes I have to use the P S three to stream for someplace else sometimes like a standard for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6452">TS</a>]
01:47:37 ◼ ► T.V. but I do a lot of things that's my T.V. Now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6457">TS</a>]
01:47:41 ◼ ► Like if I can't get rid of my P S three want to get rid of my P S four and I can't get rid of my wee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6461">TS</a>]
01:47:46 ◼ ► when I get my way you know because that we still play the game as Game Cube connectors like I got five game console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6466">TS</a>]
01:47:51 ◼ ► Sega's and I.T.V. Plus Apple T.V. You know Tivo Plus I'm running at inputs here. So as I really hope. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6471">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► The media center type capabilities of the P S four get better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:04 ◼ ► but right now it's disappointing to me that I can't make a clean upgrade. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6484">TS</a>]
01:48:07 ◼ ► Art is also disappointing that the shape of the P S four. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6487">TS</a>]
01:48:11 ◼ ► If you put a B S three on top of P S four it doesn't look right to me it looks like that the front of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6491">TS</a>]
01:48:15 ◼ ► or the slanty and it doesn't make a pleasing shape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6495">TS</a>]
01:48:18 ◼ ► and you can put the P S four on top of the P S three biggest curve like a drug for mongrels little skitter off the P S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6498">TS</a>]
01:48:24 ◼ ► four doesn't have feet on the bottom and has these three little rubber curve things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6504">TS</a>]
01:48:29 ◼ ► and a kind of a tripod that elevate the P S four barely off the surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6509">TS</a>]
01:48:33 ◼ ► but because the air in the air intakes are not on the bottom so you could have the thing flush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6513">TS</a>]
01:48:38 ◼ ► but if you put it on top of another piece of equipment it will be blocking the holes more or less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6518">TS</a>]
01:48:41 ◼ ► and I think that it's on top of so I had to buy some clear rubber feet to elevate it to area to the devices underneath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6521">TS</a>]
01:48:52 ◼ ► and it's just you know it's someplace I'm not out of plugs in the power of getting close give a thing with the missing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6532">TS</a>]
01:48:59 ◼ ► feet I was just about to say that get out of my head but I think feet and fast text I can do it. All right fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6539">TS</a>]
01:49:07 ◼ ► Yeah so anyway the controller is an improvement over the P S three one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6547">TS</a>]
01:49:10 ◼ ► but the button layout is so wrong the sticks are still in the wrong spot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6550">TS</a>]
01:49:14 ◼ ► The triggers are better but not that much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6554">TS</a>]
01:49:18 ◼ ► and the controls are expensive like fifty bucks each hour the touchpad thing that they added is not a good touch pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6558">TS</a>]
01:49:23 ◼ ► but it does make text input slightly less painful because you can use a touch pad to move the little cursor around on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6563">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► Would you ever consider stacking the P S four with a non Sony system to make it stack better with your step. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:38 ◼ ► Or does it have to be stuck with a P S three now I was stuck with anything the kids type of it you see my so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6578">TS</a>]
01:49:45 ◼ ► There's only two possible cases you can go Under the P S three or on top of my receiver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6585">TS</a>]
01:49:49 ◼ ► and under the P S three it looks weird and on top of my receiver is where it is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6589">TS</a>]
01:49:53 ◼ ► but it's in feet elevated up second question. Would you consider D.D. Chaining two receivers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6593">TS</a>]
01:50:03 ◼ ► and you can just get a switching box of searching about her terrible is why I got that I got this this receiver because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6603">TS</a>]
01:50:08 ◼ ► I was trying to find a balance of what about the Sony receiver that had ten H.D.M.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6608">TS</a>]
01:50:12 ◼ ► Inputs but all this just this huge thread of horror stories about a blanking out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6612">TS</a>]
01:50:16 ◼ ► and having all sorts of problems so I guess I should go into the thread it's not like forty pages people complain to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6616">TS</a>]
01:50:23 ◼ ► Anyway I'm glad I didn't get that one so I got this one that all the features that I wanted six H.D.M.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6623">TS</a>]
01:50:28 ◼ ► Ports but one of them is on the front my T.V. Has but for a three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6628">TS</a>]
01:50:33 ◼ ► Like I still have options like I try to connect the consul's directly to T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6633">TS</a>]
01:50:36 ◼ ► To reduce input lag so I have I still have enough options for the devices I have I'm not out of ports like I'm close to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6636">TS</a>]
01:50:45 ◼ ► but I can connect both of the Consul both of the council the current gen console swell the P S four in the way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6645">TS</a>]
01:50:54 ◼ ► For input leg reason so I'm not really out of sorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6654">TS</a>]
01:50:56 ◼ ► but next generation of consoles are going to have to make some hard decisions about what to do because I won't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6656">TS</a>]
01:51:02 ◼ ► getting it to you by then if I can help it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6662">TS</a>]
01:51:04 ◼ ► Even that's going to be how many years away the material while off I know I was I was pleasantly surprised by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6664">TS</a>]
01:51:13 ◼ ► Like I mean I think the P S three why is I mean it's not good but it's understandable and the B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6673">TS</a>]
01:51:19 ◼ ► For you I is a mild evolution of that it looks a little bit more spammy and in my face but it's fast it works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6679">TS</a>]
01:51:26 ◼ ► Gotta my wife I could use the land poor and I didn't have any problems with anything it pretty much just work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6686">TS</a>]
01:51:34 ◼ ► Download speeds are reasonable you know downloading stuff in the store works I guess like it is much better at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6694">TS</a>]
01:51:40 ◼ ► stage in its life in the two or three of us at this stage is like I can tell you that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6700">TS</a>]
01:51:46 ◼ ► Though I still endorse it over the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6706">TS</a>]
01:51:48 ◼ ► Box One game system and not just because I have played and Microsoft tape but also because of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQAUokI/6708">TS</a>]