00:00:00 ◼ ► Why did you become stupid game you should play this ball while rocking. Get an infant in your arm. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► Yeah you can do it one handed one arm baby holding rock balance walking tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/6">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► All right so in the post show from last episode we can have a potion of neutral and I was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/17">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► or I thought I was talking completely hypothetically about cars for Aaron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/23">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► and myself you know now the Declan's around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/28">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► and I don't know if I made it clear that that entire conversation was completely hypothetical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/30">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► and of course what with this being us everyone came out of the woodwork to give car recommendations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/37">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► or car ante recommendations you know never buy this car it's terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/43">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► SUCHER which is which is certainly appreciated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/47">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► but I don't think I made it clear that that it was all just hypothetical I mean neither of us is going to get a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/49">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► anytime soon and I still love my B.M.W. and I plan to keep my B.M.W. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/55">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► For at least a couple more years if not longer than that and as I think I said on the show Aaron loves her Mazda six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/59">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► and I think she'd probably rather give me up in the car just and you know who can blame or so I didn't mention that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/65">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► Additionally a lot of people came out of the woodwork to say the goal of our wagon is a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/71">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► or if you're not from the United States the state believe that's right and saloon is a sedan is a right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/76">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► and you still think golf apparently to golf golf whatever I just want to add that it's not even an accent is it do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/83">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► or G G O L F Yes So it's golf or yeah Is that why does everyone think that's brawn. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/91">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► You keep things like the Gulf of Mexico. Now why whatever. Anyway that the G.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/98">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► Point being I know that's the thing the reason I didn't bring it up is because I don't suspect that will get it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/106">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► and yes I believe it was in Los Angeles briefly for the purposes of the Los Angeles Motor Show auto show whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/113">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► But the likelihood of that arriving in the States is slim to none. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/120">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► Additionally people have suggested various Subarus including the outback also known as the B.M.W. Three G.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/123">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► As well as the Subaru Forester and I owned a Subaru in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/130">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► and that car had its entire drive train replaced over the course of the sixty or eighty thousand miles that I had it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/137">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► and although I drive like a jerk I don't drive like an animal so I don't think it's my fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/143">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► and the likelihood of me getting another Subaru is not good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/147">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► So thank you for all the recommendations for the cars that I'm not buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/151">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► and that will be enough of the car talk for now. You notice three G.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/154">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► Has not had any parts on it replaced actually going quite well in fact we use it for our Thanksgiving trip this past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/157">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► weekend and it was glorious I love all the luxuries of having you know like all the little hooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/162">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► and stuff in the trunk and I'll leave a little latch points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/168">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► and little things that can move around plus the giant torn space to begin with It was quite quite pleasant. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/170">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► And yeah I think I think we're going to sell you an errand on one of these. Next time you'll see you'll see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/174">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► You say you're denying it now but I bet once you once you actually see it and give the chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/181">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► and once errancy didn't give it a chance I bet we can convert you guys. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/188">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► That's not likely you could probably you may be able to get me me but there's no chance of getting there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/191">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► and because she isn't. I think she thinks it looks too much like a wagon which she doesn't like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/197">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► And beyond that I don't think she particularly want to be M.W. Much to my Should chagrin. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/202">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► That word I'm thinking of it's France shall grind much to my dismay let's go with that in no small part because all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/207">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► B.M.W. Drivers are jerks myself extremely included and she is one associate with them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/214">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► There are enough of the Car Talk you want to talk about something that's cool I would love to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/220">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► In fact this week we have a fourth sponsor and it's a holiday miracle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/224">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► It's definitely not because of a clerical error last week it was definitely a holiday miracle that the reason we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/229">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► four sponsors this week are sponsor our first ponder this week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/235">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► Is studio neat once again with a whole bunch of cool stuff. So if you go to Studio neat dot com slash A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/240">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► and they've made you have to get a page I mean first of all the page looks incredible because they have incredibly good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/254">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► design skills or where they're going to studio neat dot com slash A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/258">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► and They have actually made custom drinks they've made the case you list for John Syracuse So the Marco Arment you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/263">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► tell they actually listen to our show and actually know us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/269">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► So the case is of I could drink the John Syracuse is not the halakhic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/272">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► and is based on Sprite that made me laugh so hard what I what I what they show this to me when Tom and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/276">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► and studio in each of the Sammy the John Surtees it was far away my favorite. Well because I was a little concerned. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/282">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► I saw this you know when we weren't on the air when I saw this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/288">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► when I first saw they made rings for the three of us I thought Oh well I don't know of I don't know of John's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/291">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► want to be associated with an alcoholic drink and oh no it's it's bright. John is that is that a correct assessment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/296">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► I was happy that I'm in college but I'm not a big fan of mint actually like this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/307">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► but if it were a boy body may more than be a drink that I like then I don't know maybe the combination of it might work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/315">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► I've never I haven't tried this so I can't say whether or not it works as a drink. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/323">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► Well similarly I don't know if I'd like a mask emule I mean if you look at the constituent ingredients say it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/326">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► like something I would enjoy but I don't know the red ones like I know I hate old fashions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/332">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► and much to the dismay not sugar in my curly and Marco but this sounds like it would be all right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/337">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► I think it's funny and my mind is like of course a coffee based dessert drink which sounds pretty good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/345">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► If I can say I think it's even better that John has a minor complaint about his. Yeah like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/352">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► It wouldn't be the John Syracuse if the real John Syracuse A didn't have a minor complaint about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/360">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► Well I haven't I haven't talked about my Vegas like of mint things on the show before so they can be forgiven for not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/364">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► knowing this tiny detail about me. Would you like to talk about that now John I would not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/370">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► Would you talk about that now John. We don't need to we can move on. Well we're still in the sponsor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/375">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► Know what we're going to come back to that some point maybe not today maybe not tomorrow but some day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/385">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► Anyway this is all studio neat dot com slash A.T.P. You gotta look at this page it's hilarious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/390">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► They also have made a cocktail tool guide cocktail tool Guide dot com and check that out as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/396">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► They collected a whole bunch of gear some stuff they make some stuff that that they don't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/404">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► and you know they don't care if they make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/408">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► or if they make it they want you to have the best year for making cocktails at home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/409">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► and some of the stuff is really cool and finally they have this new thing called the simple syrup kit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/413">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► and it is exactly what it sounds like it is a kit to help you make and store simple syrup and honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/420">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► when they first announced as I was a little skeptical because I've made simple syrup before it sugar and water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/426">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► and I thought what do you possibly need a kit for to make this like couldn't you make this in anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/431">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► and I haven't for years I've been making my own simple surf usually for ice coffee recipes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/436">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► and the fact is making simple Sarah by yourself even though it is incredibly simple it does have like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/441">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► or three potential spots for annoyance and I watched the video and I found simple circuits and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/446">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► and I actually that fixes those annoyances. Like I got ahead of these guys. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/451">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► I thought there was no room for a dedicated product in that space but they made one and it looks pretty good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/456">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► I mean these guys really have a knack for taking taking things that you didn't make maybe you didn't think you needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/463">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► and then once you have that you're like wow this is of course I knew this this is a great how do I care I live without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/470">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► this studio and you go you gotta look at their cocktail tool guide. As well as the studio neat dot com slash A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/474">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► Where they create these awesome cocktails for each of us and really they are. They're really funny I got a say in it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/484">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► Page is a beautiful video they shot is beautiful the simple circuit. Check him out there. They make great stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/491">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► As I mentioned last time they have the cars or not they have the glyph. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/497">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► They have the ice kit all this great stuff they make the studio neat dot com slash A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/500">TS</a>]
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00:08:30 ◼ ► and they're they're friends of ours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/510">TS</a>]
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00:08:58 ◼ ► All right when we talk about tonight there's not so much going on all right well that was good show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/538">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► Thanks a lot for sponsor them. Marco makes his own news right. Yeah you could say that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/545">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► Marco what's been what's what's been to be in your bonnet these days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/553">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► Well I have a thing about about the push notification I had which was I don't know how much of a topic that really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/556">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► it's really a topic post about a tweet about it all day so it was ever you making your own news that could have come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/564">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► and gone but you felt like you needed to chime in about it and say you wrote a big long blog post about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/572">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► and then argue to the people on Twitter about it it was one hundred ninety five words most of which are not about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/577">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► particular one. Really I thought it was longer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/582">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► No there was an image in the middle of my to turn you off make use of your song and put a link in the show not so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/585">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► So basically the other day Apple sent out to push notifications advertising the red. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/593">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► Apps or promotion from the App Store Apso if you if you had notifications enabled for the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/600">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► and if I remember correctly I don't think I ever actually enabled those I don't think I was ever asked to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/606">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► Maybe maybe you'd like the first time I launch the app store app on some of us version maybe that's me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/612">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► and I said yes but I don't usually say yes to things and mine were unable to so I don't know what that was about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/616">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► If it was actually if it actually enabled by default and it never asks you up front that's kind of crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/623">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► but I can't say for sure whether it was that way or not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/630">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► Yeah I was only wondering why I didn't see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/632">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► and now that you mention this I realize that the whole time I was reading your tweets in your post I was like well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/634">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► didn't get I guess I don't have an i Phone right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/639">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► But I realize I do have an i Phone and then I have an i Phone Why didn't I get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/642">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► and I realize the reason I didn't get it is because any time I set up an the I was device I go to the notification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/646">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► and then selectively turn on like the two apps that I want to allow her to tell me notifications which are I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/653">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► like messages and is there another one hundred messages. I can't think of anything offhand but certainly not apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/659">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► Well anyway so regardless of whether it was somebody's fault even worse but regardless what I was pointing out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/669">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► and it kind of got the idea kind of got muddy a little bit because the message they sent was promoting something for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/676">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► their project for the Product RED charity thing which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/683">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► and I don't honestly I don't know the details of how the product RED Corp works I think it's not technically a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/687">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► non-profit in there some kind of stuff I don't have that it doesn't matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/693">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► And please don't email us of it really is a matter for the conversation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/695">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► A lot of people took took issue with me complaining about a push notification that is for this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/700">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► and the fact is I'm not taking issue with an avocation I'm taking issue with a red I'm not taking issue with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/708">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► content of it. I'm taking issue with the fact that Apple sent a promotional. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/714">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► Put on a vacation and there is specifically a rule in the abstract Allen's rule number five point six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/720">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► The apps cannot use push notifications to send I think the exact wording but it's something like marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/727">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► This rule is if you've ever had any absinthe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/734">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► or on any i Phone Ever And you've ever said yes to push notifications to anything besides messages John if you if you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/736">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► You almost certainly know that after violate this rule constantly apps always send push notifications for advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/742">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► purposes always like hey come back to our game new bombs are fifty percent off today only like crap like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/750">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► and it is so incredibly common and it's really unfortunate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/756">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► and so my post was basically saying this is really unfortunate how common this is that it is against the rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/759">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► and Apple doesn't really enforce that rule and to some degree they kind of can't enforce that rule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/765">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► and we have with us a little bit before and now it's even worse that Apple itself doesn't follow that rule. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/770">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► And so that's my main complaint here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/778">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► After all this preamble that yeah it was a little thing yeah it was you know essentially for a good cause. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/780">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► Yeah it was only to push notification sent in one hour on one day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/786">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► But this is really setting a bad example it's setting a bad precedent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/791">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► and it's showing once again it's this is not that different from the you two album being shoved into our libraries this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/795">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► is not as bad as that I don't think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/801">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► But it's this is this is this is Apple showing that they don't respect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/802">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► or they don't see that this is a boundary that they shouldn't cross like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/810">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► and advertising push notification to me is really offensive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/814">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► And I you know I would I totally understand why like you know the target app or the Kohl's app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/819">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► Yeah I think they will do it of course they'll do with their crappy retailers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/828">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► and they're shameless because most retailers have to be shameless to survive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/831">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► And certainly news sites generally do as well. So that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/836">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► Find if somebody with really terrible low standards with no with no self respect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/840">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► and who doesn't respect their customers either wants to spam people that's not a surprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/844">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► but those are not usually terms used to describe Apple or their products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/849">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► and especially things that are there to default in their products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/852">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► and so what worries me here is that not only that will setting a bad example that this practice is OK by doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/855">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► themselves but also that it just shows that Apple is like their stuff getting through. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/862">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► And you know Apple is not one person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/868">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► Apple has lots of people maybe some of them you know don't follow the same standards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/871">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► or make mistakes sometimes that's fine but it's a worrying trend. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/874">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► First we had the U two album that somehow got out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/879">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► and that like nose able to stop then say you know what this is this is kind of a bad way to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/881">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► and now we have this mess again and again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/887">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► It's a little thing but we're starting to see a trend here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/889">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► and that that worries me it worries me that Apple doesn't seem to respect this boundary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/892">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► and doesn't seem to think this is a problem. I think my issue with it is not so much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/896">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► Everything you said about a person on occasions and boundaries in the U two album and everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/901">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► It's part of a pattern of behavior with Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/906">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► and the App Store where if this was the only thing that happened it probably wouldn't bother me that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/911">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► But this is happening in the context of an apple with an app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/918">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► and a long history of really weird arbitrary nonsensical enforcement or Hafen Forstmann of some rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/923">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► but not the rules like if Apple didn't have that pattern of behavior where an apple we finally apps over three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/932">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► and then get polled and Apple polled and put in after a bunch of stories appearing Web sites you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/938">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► or felt rejected for reasons that don't seem to make sense or be fair you know like that whole history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/943">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► and the fact that all of us are kind of close to people who write applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/951">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► and come in contact with those sort of weird arbitrary rules and all that stuff over the years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/955">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► That makes this thing more egregious because it's like it's like they're rubbing it in our face. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/961">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► Yes we know the rules don't really apply to Apple as they run the store like we're aware of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/966">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► but it's like are they for me anyway my my sort of bitterness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/971">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► and anger by proxy to learning to have an app in the App Store but I know a lot of people who do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/976">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► and I read the stories and like this person did everything right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/980">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► They made a great app they tried to do something it seems I would never predicted they would have got a pose not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/982">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► borderline thing seems like it's exactly what I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/987">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► and the app gets pulled for some crazy reason Apple doesn't care and it's this person's livelihood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/990">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► and they spend all this time on it and they could not have predicted at a time that this would have been the result. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/994">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► And yet now they could be potentially out all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/999">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► and money they spent to develop in the application now may be wasted for reasons that don't make sense you know we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► and try to divine what is Apple's motivation what kind of store they're trying to to make sure it's not going to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► us like that with all these rules but they don't say why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1016">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► And their decisions you look at them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► and you try to figure baseness vision they trying to not have a store where junky apps are on their nose playing drunk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► after they trying to not have a store where apps have advertising know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► or not have free apps they don't want to have to really make any sense. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► With the exception of some simple stuff like no porn apps like you know that kind of thing make sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► and they've been consistent on almost everything else I can't figure out what it is that they're aiming for what why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► and force this rule not that one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► and not there what kind what is the shape of the App Store they're trying to make by these rules of just seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► arbitrary and in the context of all of that then doing something like this just seems egregious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► and it's not it's not the incident it's that it's the surrounding you know sort of sadness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► and the reason is infinite so going you put the text of the the Rule five point six in your your thing in case people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► think there's some big legal ease thing or whatever. Here's the full text of this rule and the apps or guidelines. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► Apps cannot use push notifications to send advertising promotions or direct them. Marketing of any kind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1076">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► That's it that's the whole thing. There's not like twenty paragraphs of stuff. That's it and it is not ambiguous. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► Advertising promotions or direct marketing of any kind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► This is clearly if there is an advertisement or it's a promotion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► or it's direct marketing it's certainly one of those things like that pretty much covers all your bases. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► And so they do this one little thing like we were already kind of upset that you know they don't catch all these ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► that are spamming us with the you know come back to our store to buy as an app purchase. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► when they do it themselves it's for me it's not so much about fashion of occasion which I never even saw it's about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► like someone an Apple had no problem doing this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► It's like just rubbing it in your face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► and that's maybe that's like transference like it's not fair to come down on whatever this one little incident was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► But really it is it's about it's about everything else that has to do with the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► and it just being focused on this one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► Maybe for Marco it's also about the push notification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► but for me this is just you know the flash point of a much larger sort of sadness about the App Store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► Do you think that people who aren't in our little circle of techno people know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► or care anything about this specific notification. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► I get they don't read sites that covered it as news that remark was blog they don't follow me on Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► But the notification did come on their show on their phones. Did they even take note that it was they even notice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► I mean I would imagine most people who have any reason the number of apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► and stalled probably get regular spam notifications like so many apps send them especially like you know big retailer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► and publisher apps or games. Game free to play games are the worst. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► Like all of those apps there it is so incredibly common that this is also imposes about abuse of this of the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► and directly breaking this rule is so incredibly common that I would imagine most people who have a reasonable number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► of apps and stalled are accustomed to seeing push notification ads all the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► So they probably didn't think anything of this one. Maybe even the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1196">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► All who run the app store promo team like maybe the people at Apple who sent this ad aren't even aware that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► against the review rules these are different teams. They probably have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► I bet the people who sent that don't even know about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► and maybe on their phones maybe they see enough push notification ads from other apps they just think it's a normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► Well that's what I think I think it is a normal acceptable thing to do for for other people I guess. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► So I'm going back to the theory that it's our closeness to people who make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► and sell apps on the App Store in the history of Apple dealing with the App Store rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► and those people that makes us in any way sensitive to this whereas I think other people who don't know anyone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► makes apps don't care what it takes to make apps don't care what the rules are for the App Store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► This totally disappears into the noise noise that is mostly not of Apple's making maybe just of their negligence of not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► enforcing this rule on other applications which as you pointed out somewhere maybe in the blog. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► and Apple historically has not been good sort of crowdsourcing this kind of enforcement because basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► when you're reviewing the app if your view of the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► and you never get an ad push notification you can't determine whether the ad will never send a push notification. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► The added day after the day after the proved it goes into the store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► and then here come the first notifications to be applied like it's very really easy to do that so there needs to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► some mechanism whereby people can report notifications I think is as you also said like you can't how do you you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► To say report this notification is spam or something of that kind of mucks it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► and it's like it's got the maps thing all over again where people are trying to send corrections were an Apple had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► and Apple was not good at integrating those corrections at least initially into improving the map data this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► So if they are going to have a sort of very clear unambiguous rule against push notification ads they also need some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► mechanism for enforcement independent of of them sending it themselves which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► and I were told by our market is that the people who sent it either didn't know this was a rule or didn't care. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1313">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► but again I think the only reason that he is talked about in our circles is because of our former contact with the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► store and just poisoned us on this entire issue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► Everyone else doesn't care at all because their entire life is dismissing stupid notifications about come back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► game now because you're seven sprouts blossomed and you need to pluck them and you can get the fifty gems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► or twenty percent off whenever we shouldn't just accept that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► Oh well this role is violent all the time so we might as well not even try to enforce it like that's not good enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► me that's that I've heard a few people say that like oh well this is too common who cares it's one of occasion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► and the fact is it isn't just one of occasion and the entire experience of your phone of using your phone changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► and in a pretty important and non subtle way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► If you routinely get ad notifications like that's the head is not a small thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► Just wait until they start showing up on your watch. Right like that that is not a small thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► Notifications should matter you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► or you should at least be allowed to treat them as if they matter what he did they were not another story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► but like it is an interruption to you it is literally pushed you don't ask for it is literally pushed to your device at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► It alerts you it is meant to interrupt you to show you something that you care about seeing an ad is never going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► one of those things and it's it like the idea that you say that oh well Apple can't really enforce us very easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► and lots of people break the rule so we don't we don't need to even try to enforce the rule. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► No that's that is not good enough and that is not like Apple shouldn't think that's good enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► And what worries me is whenever there's any sign that maybe they do think it's good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► and I think that's that's why this that's why this irritated me so much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► Thing is even though Apple's bad at this sort of crowd sourcing type of thing that can't be done an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► or view really do so with this argument it has to be sort of done in the field [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► and they have to collect that information. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► Right and most people don't realize that Freeview only spends a few minutes with each app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► Yeah so the other alternative is to collect all the information and that Apple is not good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► but the other part of it they're in such a powerful position to if they can get any kind of collection they're in such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► a powerful position to enforce it because all they have to do is kind of have a sort of you know I don't know three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► strikes you're out of some sort of the merit based system where you know the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► or so you maybe didn't know about this rule maybe you didn't see this in the gut by the way after Bellbird we noticed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► that a lot of people reported your absenting push notifications maybe confirm what they have developed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► or is this the case or these people I don't know you determine authenticity is it so easy to fake this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► but in consultation with the thing they had you know not an automated kind of You Tube is taking down your movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► because someone is playing copyrighted music in the background right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► But in a human to human way which I think they can afford to do with the Felber relations Hey we got a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► complaints about your app sending an ad somehow somehow collect those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► and said of the present you know you're not supposed to says this guideline OK My bet that's one struck in the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► time they do it is a like you know hey we told you about this before and seems like you're still doing it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► You really need to stop doing that because if we get more reports of you doing a game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► or to pull you out from the store and then you know whether it's three strikes because it's a baseball analogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► or something entirely different like they are totally in a position to talk to the people about something if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► willful violation it's not like oh accidentally use something that calls a private A.B.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► Like those things happen or people aren't doing that intentionally. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► There's no accidental push notifications for as happening maybe once you don't know about it maybe twice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► Oh you didn't quite get it worked out but like three or four or five times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► or maybe it resets after a year whatever they are in such a powerful position to tell anybody in the App Store you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► to stop it and they don't need to be perfect they don't need to catch every single one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► but it has to be there has to be repercussions right now people are terrified to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► and we'll talk about it maybe the next thought of how to make notification center which is the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► and I was because they're afraid they're going to get pulled but nobody's of raises and pushed out of the gate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► and because there's no repercussions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► Apple has all the power they can at their leisure whenever they want to go into whatever schedule they want to put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► fear of apple into every single developer and say you know we may just pull your app if you keep doing that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► But they don't there's no consequences they don't like this data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► There's no three strikes policy it's just you know it's completely foreign to the graphics. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► Well that's the thing and you hit the nail on the head enough there in forcing the wrong stuff there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► They're tearing apart all of these today widgets which maybe we should take a pause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► and talk about that rather than rather than going after all these ridiculous push notifications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► and you know a lot of people have called for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► and I think they're right you know like I think one of you just said this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► but having some way of reporting I mean I think it was Paul Her dad had said you know if you do what is it a right to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► and here it doesn't matter if you do the swipe the one direction to take action on the particular push notification you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► just got Will lets you swipe in the other direction to like Report for spam or something along those lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1614">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► and I don't think it's a bad idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► and I don't think most regular users have any idea that you can get pretty granular with your push notification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► settings more so than almost anything else I can think of in the last. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► And and so I think a lot of people just live with all the spam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► and that begs the question you know if there's this much spam coming on to their phones at what point did people start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► feeling like that degrades the experience well I love my i Phone except that it's constantly buzzing with weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► messages that I really don't care about and I wish I could make them go away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► You know no mockery on tell us about some of the score. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► We're also sponsored this week by Harry is go to Harry's dot com R. Y.S. Dot com and use the promo code A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► Holiday special on this week A.T.P. Holiday all one word to save five dollars off your first purchase. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► Do you know someone in your gift list it's impossible to shop for that guy in your life who has everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► Holiday shopping for these people in your life can be stressful time consuming and frustrating. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► The last thing you want to do is go to the mall try to find something you consider gifting razor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1675">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► How about a Harry's razor razor not typical gift. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► You never go to a drugstore and pick up a razor as a gift because drugs for reasons are flimsy tacky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► Harry's came out with a limited edition line just for the holiday starting at just fifteen dollars including free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► shipping. They have this one is really nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► It's called the Winter Winston set and the winter Winston says only thirty dollars for a sleek chrome razor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► Three high quality blades and they were made in foaming shave gel or shaving cream. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► It's already gift wrap and shipping is always free and is a special holiday offer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► Harry is giving our listeners five dollars off with perma code A.T.P. Holiday. That's right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► Even those of you who are already loyal Harries users will get five dollars off a winter Winston set with promo code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► A.T.P. Holiday. If the Rays are three quality blade and cream for just twenty five dollars shipped. That's amazing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► Harries dot com started by two guys passionate about creating a better sharing experience for all men. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► We talked with them before I like Harry's razor stuff I think I said before I would say it is comparable to a fusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► cartridge in shave quality but I but it cost half as much and the handles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► and the cream are awesome the handles are way better than fusions nice like heavy weight the metal handles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► and they just look really classy it's like you know nice classy old style. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► Harry has also the gift that gives back Harry supports the community by donating one percent of sales and volunteer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► and one percent of all employee time with a community partner. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► City Year the Heart Is there a time for thanks and giving and giving Harry something you can feel good about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► Go to Harry's dot com now and get five dollars off a winter Winston set with the code A.T.P. Holiday. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► That's right a special limited time offer for the holiday. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► Here is getting all new and existing Harry's customers five dollars off the winter Winston set. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► That's Harry's H A R R A Y S dot com and enter coupon code A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► Holiday at checkout for five dollars off the winter Winston. Harry is good enough to gift you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1792">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► I like best about the Harrys handle the shaving handle thing. It's not shaped like some part of a transformer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► Yeah like I'm holding a tiny skinny robot in my hand I don't know when that started maybe I think it started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► when I was a teenager the razor handles had to look like Transformers to make any sense. Like make it comfortable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► I'm not supposed to say hey to the British people understand what I'm saying even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► when I spell it out the way they complain about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► However you probably should have a R R Y as dot com hirees I tell you what talk about today which it's because as if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► this episode wasn't grumpy enough what's getting grumpier. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► So one of the friends of the show Greg Pearce writes in Iowa called drafts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► and he had a pretty cool today which is from what I gather where you can there are several buttons that will let you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► several different things including start a new draft in the app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► And apparently he was told by Apple was it today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► or yesterday recently that if he wants to continue to have his app in the App Store he needs to take away those buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► from his today which it which was effectively the entire today widget so here it is he's getting told you cannot have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► anything really interactive and today which you act that's not fair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► Anything that involves like creation is I forget how he phrased it on between front of me because something along the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► lines of it's for viewing data only. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► Right well so and I think we need to be very clear on this because a lot of the tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► and stuff on around have not been and Greg clarified this too but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► and it's important that if we're talking with us we're talking about the right thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► So it appears and unfortunately it seems to be constantly shifting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► but it appears that the reason why Apple is not letting him have those buttons in the ad is not because they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► buttons necessarily it is because they launch the app from the widget to complete a task or to do a task in the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► and that is what Apple is saying you can't do whether you agree with that or not we will we can talk about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1914">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► Apple is not saying you can't have buttons they're saying you can't launch the app from the extension to complete a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► task was that something that was known beforehand or they just decide that now or seemingly make it up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► and you know Monte underscore underscore in the chat room is saying that Evernote does that exactly Marco I know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► and there are other apps that do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► This is as John was saying earlier part of the problem with app review that a lot of times the rules are not enforced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► consistently and a lot of times like Evernote might have been approved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► and they made like a little note to their boss saying hey we might want to consider the the the policy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► and what they can do this or not and then you know eventually they make that decision and then get hit by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► and then maybe Evernote will get hit by you know in the future next and they try to update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► or maybe Apple will send them a pleasant phone call. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► Who knows but the point is these rules are evolving and it's really a bad scene for for all parties involved. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► I think Apple is obviously you know Apple is never going to say these are the rules they are set in stone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► and they're complete They even say in the rules document I think it says in the intro that it's like a living document [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► and it will be changed over time and and they're going to change their mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► and rules are going to they're going to figure out new rules that the fact they change over time like we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► expecting a change or time to be change in response to changing markets to be refined and made more specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► and clarify things that are unclear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► That's why it's so important to do the thing that Apple seems not to do that well which is explain the motivations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► because if you say here's a set of rules and what we're trying to do with these rules is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► and then explain their motivations because the motivations let you say well the rule doesn't say anything about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► but it doesn't violate the spirit of the law we have the letter of the law we don't necessarily have the Spirit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► Is there a good chance that this is like borderline might get rejected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► or you know usually you can tell if you're trying to skirt a rule like you know you do in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► but sometimes you just like the example just going to show it is.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2035">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► James Thompson's Peacock very made a pig out of a calendar application on the Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► And he made a little calculator in in the today which is you know just about a number pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► but the plus minus you know it's a calculator. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► and that the whole time he was making that he's like boy this is a perfect example of a today widget because it just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► happens that in an extremely simplified version of the functionality of my application fits within a today widget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► because you know the count to the big calculator app is very complicated and it's got a customizable keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► and you know a tape and scientific notation and programmable functions like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► But I can give you a simple add a bunch of numbers together thing here and he got rejected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► and I haven't talked about this so I don't know whether this is the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► but from from seeing his tweets about it it seems like he spent the entire times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► and studied over the seasons I was it was announced until now working on this widget. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► Never in a million years thinking this widget is going to get rejected because you're not allowed to have calculators [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2095">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► today which it just didn't even occur to him because looking at the rules there's nothing from what he could divine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► from the spirit of the rules that said this type of thing would cause it to be rejected. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► Now I'm pretty sure this is fairly quickly reversed and I think it's back in the store now or never. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► but it was it was reversed after we all loudly publicized it through all you know because he's he's a well known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► developer a long time Apple developer there was lots of stories that why it got reversed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► Maybe maybe not maybe it was just a mistake or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► but that type of experience where you where you think you're doing exactly what Apple wants like you can you're coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► home from everything you're like boy I'm totally on board with this thing I'm going to make a great I'm going to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► advantage of these new baby eyes you made like that's what he's trying to get to do here is here's this new software. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► Here it is new you guys know go out there make something great with it and you do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► and just like nope rejected me like What do you mean rejecting you know you have no recourse you know the appeals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► process but like it's so difficult to talk to someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► and you just don't understand you say I didn't think I was skirting a rule I didn't think I was. Close to any line. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2156">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► Nothing in these things would indicate to me that I would ever get rejected any just get rejected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► and would have been reversed if he wasn't such a well known person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► and the opportunity maybe maybe not to you never getting an explanation of why it happened or least public one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► and there's nothing in there you know what are you trying to do with it what are you trying to direct you haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► you're launching other applications putting advertisements in there no you putting a tiny little game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► and I don't know it's just it's exposing some functional your application. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► It's like it's exactly what you think you're supposed to do so that type of stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► You know again frustration by proxy I don't have an afternoon after that doesn't affect me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► but it just makes me it makes me upset. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► This happens it's like mismanagement It's like especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► when is it immediately reversed it's just bad blood for no good reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► and I think you know what you just said about like he was like putting a little game in there anything like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► that should be allowed to like I think what we're seeing here is Apple is is obviously still trying to figure out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► the rules around this are and I think the rules should have already been decided for the most part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► and should be pretty clear to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► and I think they are exerting a lot more like nanny state level control over this than is warranted because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► from there and secondarily maybe the reason they don't want apps to launch themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► or other apps from notifications or from their view maybe there's a security angle on that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► I don't know if there is a security angle on that. Apple should fix that security angle and allow it. That's stupid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► So you know maybe maybe this is security thing and that's the reason we have been told that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► But regardless you know that's something worth fixing and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► and then allowing I think what we're seeing here is Apple saying here's this great new system we've made very powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► but we're going to be extremely cautious so that we don't allow users to make a bad experience for themselves that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► is Apple's typical M.O. However the way they've done it here is first of all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2275">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► Like in the process of adding a today widget to your to your today view is pretty deliberate like it doesn't like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► don't just install an app and all of a sudden it's automatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► and you should a view like that that doesn't happen you have to manually go at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► and it's a process that I would imagine most users don't know how to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► and are certain are going to be able doing accidentally too many times not even knowing how they did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► and it's considerably harder than say accepting push notifications for an app right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► Yeah I like the app can just present a button that does this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► Like you have to actually go into your today view and go to only to the area whatever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► and at it like you have to deliberately put these things there because of that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► So you have chosen to download this app you have chosen to add its widget to today view I don't think Apple needs to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► as protective of what's there because the user has chosen to put this here please I am Want This is so important to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► I want this in my today because today view it doesn't scale well to having tons of crap there like you're going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► picking a small number of things to put there in all likelihood. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► So Apple's concern if I had to guess it's about keeping that simple and lightweight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► but they don't have to do that because the process of adding those things already so deliberate and difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► and it doesn't handle having a lot in there just design wise already that I think anything that an app is allowed to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► in itself it should be allowed to do there too I don't think Apple is is doing itself or its customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► and its developers any favors by trying to say well you can you can put things here and it's a U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► View you can enter into an ever you want and you can have buttons and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► but we only want to be for these quick glance kind of tasks like that's a really hard line to draw we're seeing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► problems with them trying to draw that line and I think it's it's just it's a bad idea to even try it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2393">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► On that line I think if somebody downloads a game let's say it's a game that puts palm in your notification center it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► a punk game and you can install the pond today widget and you can play upon in your today view. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► That's you know that's not a great idea for a game but something to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► and make a billion dollars I will take my royalty later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► but if you want to do that as a user why does Apple have to say no you can't do that that's not what this is for that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► you have to go to the app for that like you chose to get the app you chose to put it in notification center. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► You chose to bring it into play pong with it like this is not something that I see ripe for abuse from developers if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► you let them just do whatever they want within their little view there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► Do you suspect that after he was part of Federico his organization if I had to guess I would say Schiller's because a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► threat part of developer relations I think which is part of Schiller's Right I agree. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► Well could it be something as simple as you know as far as Engineering's concerned it's it's the Wild West in a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2453">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► way not a bad way but Schiller's group is like that's no good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► But Short Well all right so very Q Is the app store guy right there in the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► and so peek out the great thing with peek out as status now plan a chat room that pickup was accepted Peacocke was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► promoted a bit like the big banner in the App Store at the big art we're going to rethink except in the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► promoted and then rejected it was rejected while it was in the promotion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► Right so people who are responsible are saying hey here's an application to demonstrate like this is a great I.O.'s out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► the shows a developer using our new A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► Bubble blah whatever like they choose what to promote That's chillers organization maybe but E.Q. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► Runs a store it's road I don't understand how it's working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► but it's it seems entirely plausible that one hand know what the other hand was doing on the one hand some people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► picking out applications they think are ready to go to the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► and on the other hand someone else is rejecting peek out because I think you should have a calculator thing that saves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► and then eventually those people got together and maybe two. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► And then the app was under rejected but it just it it's not it does not inspire confidence in the organization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► when stuff like that happens because like guys talk to each other figure out you know what's going on here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► and especially because again we're trying to divine the motivations are like could we have forseen this is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► anything in what Apple has ever said from any public public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► or private communication about today which it's that would indicate to you before hand that this thing was even close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► to any boundaries of something they didn't want to have because it's not you know as much as your spirited defense of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► Because of the way today center with its work I think anybody doing that could have a reason I expect ation that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► are outside the bounds of what does a center which it is supposed to be because it's so far out of the bounds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► But Apple has shown things that are exactly like a calculator and I got a small degree interactive graph [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► or some information that you can swipe to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► or a couple buttons you can press you know it's adding numbers for crying out loud I mean I know there are technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► limitations on today's center webpage just in terms of like today center whatever the hell these things limitations on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► like when your abs going to be instantiated how quickly you're going to be torn down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► and like you know you're not you can't cram in you can take a long time to initialize you that you don't have a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► time to tear yourself down you're getting pulled out like there are limitations and putting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► but if you if you're working within that context you know something like a procedurally drawing punk game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► or a calculator that have numbers it's perfectly fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► So it's not just in the make any sense and so when Apple does that I go to the bad blood I was talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► when stuff like that happens you know like it's not a big deal but it gave one developer a lot of stress for a day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► or two and doesn't make any sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► and it makes it look like Apple is an organization that doesn't have its stuff together you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► Yeah and it also it does have a chilling effect on other development. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► Like there's a lot like I mean I don't have any plans for today which I don't think makes a lot of sense for ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2634">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► But if I had planned for it I would certainly be reconsidering them now because I don't know like as a developer like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► should I invest a few months into doing something that will very possibly get my app rejected in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► and have to pull it out like that's it's such a big risk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► and you know especially for apps like draft like Peacock where it's a bigger undertaking it's it's a bigger selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► I don't know that I would be developing for an innovation center which is right now it's not it's just not worth the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► risk and I was shocked about something that's cool that maybe will make us a little happier than this fiasco. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► Have you ever built a Web site Casey you know once or twice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► Building Web site used to take a long time you to set it all up yourself manually spend all day troubleshooting ran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► random errors and stuff if you ever had to edit the site to be pretty easy to break your links [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► or even break the whole site break the layout put in like a space in the wrong place and break your P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► File some of you just changed the font color be a huge headache. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► Now we have square space and you can build beautiful websites with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► or without a sweat if you Squarespace check it out today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2701">TS</a>]
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00:45:18 ◼ ► You can have like your scripts based a main register there you can have your apps there you can e-mail spreadsheets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► documents all that set up through square space with demand it's hosted by them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► and they also have a new partnership with Getty Images so you can get forty million high quality photos for your site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► when you probably don't need all forty million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► or something in there that you need you need an image for your site if you've ever tried to buy like a you know stock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► photo or officially commercially license photo from somewhere else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► It's usually very complicated to get the right license it's very expensive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► I didn't for the magazine and I know how expensive that can be and how complicated that can be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► They worked out a great partnership with Getty so that you can pick eighty forty million forty million high quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► photos for a post for a header image for a background image whatever you need for just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2754">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► Ten dollars an image it's really a fantastic deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► and they take care of all of for you browse right in the square space interface is really great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► Anyway they also have fifteen new design templates what's crisp a seven Eva Green feature called cover pages. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► This is basically you can if you like an intro page for your full site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► or it can be your site you can have it like a nice single one page site you can put it up temporarily or permanently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► You can do it it's like a splash page to have promote promoting a sale you're having are promoting a special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► or promoting a new post you did or a new video you made. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► We're going to have a nice trendy intro page to your full site they make it beautiful to make it easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► It is really quite impressive and those kinds of used to be really hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► and now it's really easy with square space all this very simple very powerful beautiful designs you can customize it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► was much as you want you can be a nerd like us and actually inject H.T.M.L. C.S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► and Javascript right into the template. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► Or you can use their drag and drop wizard and it's all very easy is great I love using square space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2816">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► and there's so much there that like I you know our site for the show is built on Squarespace I built a square space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► safer for my kids' preschool I mean it's so just so easy to use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► There are so many use cases for that you don't have even if you know how to build websites. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► You don't have to build every Web site you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► and this is I would recommend using space for so many things that previously you try to do yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2839">TS</a>]
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00:47:53 ◼ ► and talk about pod casting because people love that. So our friend Alan Pike steam clock software I wrote a great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2873">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Post that will lead to in the show notes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► They basically considered and started researching the possibility of making a pod cast double and or recording app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► and in the post they go through the rationale for why they wanted it there at the Wireless think it was a market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► and as they did more research into the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► and rents numbers they realize they actually shouldn't make it because there just aren't enough Pod casters to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► support it like financially. The market is just not big enough for it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► So our friend Rob Reiner Martian craft wrote kind of a follow up maybe a counterpoint argument to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► Basically saying you're targeting professionals you know somebody who uses an app to make their ticket to do their work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► basically to make their job possible or easier or better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► Amateurs and professionals it's easier charge more money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► and so maybe so he was saying maybe there is a way to charge more money to the to the small number of pockets which you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► might use such a thing and fund it that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2937">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► What do you think of these when you read them I thought they were both really really good posts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► What I loved about Allan's was that here was someone who actually put a little bit of thought into what he was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► which if you know Alan is of no surprise whatsoever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► But he actually crunch numbers like you were saying Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► and really thought about OK is this a viable business which is a much better way of going about things than just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► throwing something against the wall and seeing if it sticks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► And I thought it was a really great post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► and then Rob Reiner's was equally great because he was saying well if you spend it one or two other ways that you may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► or may or may not have considered Alan there may be something there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► And certainly both of them have built successful businesses by making intelligent business decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► and I think Martian craft is quite a bit bigger than steam clock so you could make an argument that Rob is coming from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► Definitely a place. It of knowledge and experience. Not that Alan isn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► But you know I think both of them make excellent points and whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► or not you care about how the three of us make our podcast it's still an interesting thought process with regard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► When I read the original post about hey we're thinking about making this particular thing up which is something I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► we've talked about on the show before about the weird hodgepodge of things we used to do the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► and how one app that put it all together would be nice if we always had the same thing as around in this thing well an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► app to put all the other be nicer but the total market for people who need this app is small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► and you know probably those those people even if you sold every single one of them is probably still not a viable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► business which is what these two posts are about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► But that the real the real thing that I think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► when reading the original post about this app is just how incredibly hard it would be to do this apple Well because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► encompasses so many other applications that are in themselves complicated hard to do applications and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3054">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► and connecting things together is I think even harder than making a good audio editor a good audio recorder you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► good you know Skype type application where you want to call those voice communicate like trying to either integrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► multiple apps or build those things in have them all work together is just incredibly hard to do a good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► and I think that just the development job on this would be I'm not going to say it's harder than voters office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► or a shop is a very full featured application but it's part of the forest up one point now I can tell you that right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► To do all that all the things that all the things that we do with the separate applications as well as we're able to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► them with separate applications in the first verse because that's what you would need to be like especially for techno [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► type people think well we get the job done now but it would be nice if we didn't have these hassles. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► But how much you know how much money I willing to give up for that and that's what that other fellow post is about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► but also how much quality am I willing to give up. For integration. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3117">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► Well if I got this application and the pricing isn't a problem but I get better results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► when I use the seven different applications that I'm already using. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► So is the downgrading controller quality or whatever for the one point overs as products. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► You know it's it's a tough sell even for the people who you know. Money's no object we don't care about the pricing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► You can make it really expensive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► What are you giving me that is an improvement over what I have and especially just out the gate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► I just can't don't see how it's going to be as good as whatever system everyone's using. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► If you going to sell to new people hey you don't know how to use the seven applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► and I guess it's really annoying if you don't want to have to deal that stuff or learn all that sort of witchcraft. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► Get this one application then I think you'd have a better shot at selling them because they don't know what it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► to use logic and Marco's weird audio aligner and Skype [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► and all the things that we use to sort of make this all work together. They don't know how to do all that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► So you're giving them a shortcut to getting up and running. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► But that market of people who want to do podcasting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► but don't want to learn all the other applications like how many new podcasts are coming on the scene at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► and how many of those people have Macs and you know the whole idea of like where you build the sentiment to link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► and download an application a little hook em into the zapper never like man I would not want to try to make the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► version of that application at any price even if there was a huge market. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► So this application terrifies me from a development perspective because I think it would be really really hard to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► and I still think no matter how you price that the market is really small now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► One good thing it has going for it is there for not for integrated applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► but for sort of expert level applications there is a market for a really really difficult to use tool that is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► but is also like full of bugs in the vendor is annoying like there's a long history of applications where you can think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► of some whatever application you use not like logic. Good logic you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► Even Photoshop to some degree is like those things exist so that must be a maybe that's less possible today than it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► but I still think those those type of applications exist but I don't know if people want to be in that software. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► Even something like not Final Cut final draft is actually kind of a weird example of that where you know most of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► journalists like us really there's one application that everybody has to use They've got entrenched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► and the vendor is not the best vendor and people kind of have this love hate relationship with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► but it's like it's the thing that everybody uses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► Someone else suggested Pro Tools like that that is a thing that happened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► That's what kind of like a dysfunctional customer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► and software vendor relationship I feel like so I wouldn't I wouldn't want to go into that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► Even though it appears to be a viable business work experience is another example to kind of eventually went sour right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► So I think that that is what I see as a way to make a business out of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► but I wouldn't want to go in I wouldn't want to be in that business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► and the other side of it I was talking about like hey make it easy to use integrated my first pod casting out that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► not give you as good a result as using the dedicated expensive applications in this mishmash with Mark a special custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► code like it won't give you those kind of results it will be buggy and weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► and really hard to pull off that I think is less viable because I just think there are fewer people trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► podcasting That way if anything I think the only way you get entry of app like that is to target I us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► and not the MAC and somehow get an audio interface and there were like the U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► Connector or some something like that. But then my head hurts just thinking about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► Yeah I mean that's like the there's a number of big problems with trying to make an app or about casting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► and you know you nailed most of them it's like like the first of all having to work with everybody's set ups is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► trivial because this is a world where there's a huge variety a huge range of diversity of of hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► and hardware types hardware setups. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3357">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► You know logical setups of like you know what are you do you have four people together in a studio recording onto a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► multitrack mixer Do you have four people on Skype who are all trying to talk at the same time do you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► or are you recording church sermons and putting that out as a feeder you're recording off of a phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► You have one person or a phone in Australia where three people are in the U.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► Trying to talk without latency like there's so many variations there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► There's also the huge variations in budget a lot of these are a lot of pod casts are produced in radio studios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► and a lot of them are produced on people's laptops and there's everything in between. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► And all of that you have applied to what really is a very small number of producers you know overcast entire directory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► every feed I know exists. I think I have a little over two hundred thousand of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► What I've heard I've heard rumors about the size of i Tunes a directory being somewhere around the five hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► and if I look at the number of so over Catherine I had about one hundred eighty thousand users of those only about I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► think something like forty thousand pod casts actually have any subscribers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► So obviously not everybody uses overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► but I think that's a that they can give you some idea of like roughly how many pod cast how many distinct pod casts are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► even listened to by more than a couple of people and so I would put the number around you know fifty thousand maybe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► So you think about how many producers is that not you know not not every one of those fifty thousand that has listeners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► is produced by a unique producer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► There's a lot of people who produce many shows radio stations Park has networks so you know how many how many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► actually edit pod cast that are listened to by more than a couple of people that numbers are getting smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► and yes as you go to the step the search area well how many people might how many people could even use an app I make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3473">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► And I would say generously the number of unique pod cast producers is probably less than ten thousand possibly a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► less than ten thousand how many of them would be even willing to use my app because a lot of these people have their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► when you can sleep the pro content production of like you know the pro software markets you got to fight with people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► who used to work flows so you have to say Well look I I probably wouldn't use an Apple because I you know I that I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► at the show and I use logic and logic is not perfect but it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► and it's only two hundred bucks I think are three hundred two hundred so it's only two hundred bucks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► It works and I know there's a fairly decent chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► and I the only person using it since I know the number using it for public housing the small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► but like the number of people using this is going to be big enough that if there's a major bug it'll probably get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► caught and fixed before it hits me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► and I know that like you know I can buy this knowing that it's going to probably work on the next version of macro S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► Tense I will I won't be like stuck after an upgrade. It's probably maybe going to be maintained in the future. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► Like all these like you know fears that you know no one ever got fired for buying I.B.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► With that kind of thing like you don't want to be conservative in your choice of Pro Tools. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► And so a small app would have to fight against all of those factors for the chance to possibly win a small percentage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► of a small number of people's business. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► The worst thing for the other app competing in this area is that the other applications that people are using just have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► to add a few features to their existing mature applications like so audio editing outright. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► There's plenty of the stylish audio editing applications. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► All they have to do is add one or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► or three features focused on podcasting say if they built in your audio alignment thing for multi-track stuff it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3592">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► Each one of each one of constituent apps that you use for each function like a Skype add some features focused on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► podcasting of logic if you just sort of pod casting it like you know square space already has features focus on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► podcasting like the integration of like all the different pieces that we put there in the gather. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► If they just kind of say oh yes Pike has a thing is a thing now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► and I make an audio editor so I should have a template for a podcast I shot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► and tools that are useful for people who do large multitrack podcasts and Ike And that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► and then it's like well now why am I using your app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► and it was so easy for them to do because there are already a great audio editor there are already a widely used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► application for talking to people over the Internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► It's just so hard to compete in all this said like someone did an amazing job on an application I guess even if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► didn't do everything in-house even if it said you know edit audio an external advert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► and threw you into logical that I give it like if it didn't do the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► but just kind of integrated stuff together. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► Even that I think we would all be willing to try because we would like it to be easier so I don't think it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► the idea of the application is bad it's just that the the environment for polling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► and the degree of difficulty is really high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► and I maybe maybe someone just did it for free out of the goodness of their heart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► and was an amazing developer it would be a benefit to the world but as a business it's it's tough right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► and worth their fine two point one There is an app for editing called Hinton Berg look H. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► Underscore underscore be mentioned they had actually tried this once. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► I kind of found the name distasteful because that's kind of a treasure that killed people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► but anyway so it's it's a it's a dedicated like radio journalism part has journalism kind of Abbott's made it's made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► for radio journalist to produce that that's not a podcast it is three hundred seventy five dollars to use commercially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► and it was a logical half the price. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► So they're fighting that battle already like they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► and I'm not so much to charge less because I don't think they could charge less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► and make enough money to survive because a number of purchase customers are so small here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3715">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► So that's another thing to consider like there are alternative editing apps and they I don't know anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► and in Berg and I mean granted I don't know a lot of radio journalists but I'm sure they have users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► but that's that's a tough sell to a lot of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► and clarify is that you know Alan Pike's potential product was not an editing product it was just something to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► and the number of people who do that style of pod cast production is even smaller than the number of producers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► That's like that's a fairly rare way to produce a punk as where everybody records there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► and then an editor combines them all and that's that's what we do here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► That's what a few of the shows do that we know but most shows that have remote guests just record Skype [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► and it's fine and you know it's not the best audio quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► but then you avoid sync issues you avoid trying to get the person to select the right input for that for the program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► that's recording the thing or having them having them have to buy piazza or call recorder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► or something like that like it avoids a lot of issues to just record a Skype feeds that's what most people do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► That was that was one of the big pitches of this is like the difficulty of getting guests like so if you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► have a podcast where you have guests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► and you know you don't want to limit yourself to guess you know how to do pod casting you have to have some way to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► hey can person who probably owns a computer but knows nothing about podcasts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► and you will be able to talk to us over the Internet in a way that you will be participating in a live podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► and it's kind of like the same problem like concrete copal is trying to solve a radio you need to screen share with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► your relatives to help them with their computer problems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► It's difficult over the phone to you know get them to initiate screen Jerrine So here he just send them an email has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► link to click the link because three buttons and your you're connected to them right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► and I think that problem is easier than the problem of hey do these simple steps person who's not too familiar with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► computers and you are now talking live with me and possibly recording your own locally on your. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3835">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► It's going to surely fast enough to keep up with this and you want to like it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► and your audio input will be through the right stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► and it's just doing that part of it just the guest application even that is really hard to do. Co-pilot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► I don't know that's the thing I've tried to use it a few times the mac version did not go well for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► Kind of I kind of sort of got it to limp through what it was I paid for it like many times like they had abysmal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► or you pay someone you can use it for like an hour or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► In desperation I've tried it it's a good idea but it was not smooth sailing at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► and so even that's not a solved problem many people have tried including Apple with the i Chat stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► and podcast until it has a certain degree of built in complexity like you're dealing with microphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► and people's random computer's random environments and random internet connections. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► There's a reason why I like you know if you have a regular show with regular guests like the three of us it's worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► whether for the three of us to have like you know each recorded separately because we're always the same people all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3897">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► three of us were willing and able to buy a nice microphone and have a quiet room where you record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► and you use software that records it and we tragically able to do that and to do it reliably and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► and all of our net connections we know are solid enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► and we even live geographically close enough that it's not usually a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► So none of these things are problems for us. So that's why we choose to do the show that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► But again like like if you're if you're having a new guest every week that's a tough thing to coordinate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► and it's you know it's hard enough getting them a microphone to even use Skype properly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► and you know to add in the complexity of are you recording the right thing in going to send me your file that's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► know that's it's not worth it in the market for that it's is extremely small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► and it's not in the way the big shows do this by the way the way the big shows do the how do you get a guest up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► and running in everything as they throw humans that like so someone will contact you the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► or week before they will they will mail you a maggot. Phone in the mail. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3957">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► The person will contact you and make sure your setup is correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► and walk you through laboriously over the phone over video over whatever they can do to make sure your setup is correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► so that when the actual show goes you have a set up that is known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► and validated to be working by one member of their staff that is incredibly expensive as a way more expensive than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► buying a three hundred dollar application or a five hundred thousand or application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► or one hundred dollars a month application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► but that has a lot higher chance of success I think than the application will take care of it for you probably still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► going to need that human to walk the person through these supposedly so simple set up because of physical factors not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► even the software you know software is perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► and beyond all that like if you go to take Rob Reiner's approach of saying like well they charge more money like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► is where the people beyond all the problems of it being a really small market of people who are producing these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► and want to try your app is also some severe budget problems for most people like most people you know podcasting is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► podcasting well are using high quality stuff is already a tough sell because you're already asking people to spend a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4016">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► few hundred dollars on it on a decent mike in some kind of setup there may be a pop filter maybe anti-shock thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► orbits are mounted all the stuff that I'll call record as of the thirty bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► and you know something like maybe logic that of two hundred dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► or maybe garage band the program keeps getting worse for pod cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► and each new version like it's you're already asked me to spend a lot of money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► Already most people are not willing to do that most pod cast are not produced that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► Most pod cast are produced from people's built in mikes and headsets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► and I fill in my stuff like that like it's there you know they don't sound very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► but a lot of people like you can ask like you know maybe maybe some church recording it's sermons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► and everything they don't have maybe the money to buy logic you know like there's like there's all this so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► processors out there who are not going to be spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► and gear to do this and that's like that will always be the case that is always going to be most produce. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4073">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► There's we're going to be doing it as a hobby or on a low budget and you have to account for that and so that's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► I agree I agree with Rob Ryan that you that a professional app should be priced accordingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► but I don't think there's enough pod cast producers to ever support something like this any time soon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► In defense of Rob's post if you could snap your fingers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► and make the theoretical application like come into existence that is awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► and all the stuff it does everything is high quality the integrated is relatively bug free like that really provides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► Then all his various pricing strategies could probably work out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► but the prerequisite is you actually have an application that helps people make money like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► That is more convenient for them that produces better results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► and less time that has fewer bugs that its features that would be difficult you know like they can replace a fractional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► portion of a staff or that you would need right then it may be viable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► but even then it's borderline because you don't have the benefit I think it was another Joe article like the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4137">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► kind of software you sell the cheap free stuff that random for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► and by the the street the sort of consumer applications that you can sell to an individual who's going to buy you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► application for like you know the buy for shop for themselves or whatever and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► and that's like a hundred bucks a couple hundred bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► or maybe like a small monthly subscription fee then there's a gigantic chasm and then your starting price thirty grand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► Right and that's like and and I write software you're selling it to a business to business. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► This is such an essential part of their business that thirty grand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► or you know let's use the Oracle pricing model how the percentage of revenue has that feel to how much money do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► have not profit revenue yet contact us for pricing that is just a huge a huge gap between like a couple hundred bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► maybe pushing a thousand and then up into the multiple thousands and there's not much in that middle ground there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► and I don't know park I think is not at the point now where it can be sold as enterprise software for the most part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► there are enterprise that are doing it made. Kind of like I don't know maybe like Twitter or T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► Network is trying to a podcast like The Daily Show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► but even those I think of like to go shop I guess is not you know you can sell them thirty grand Pike I think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► and I don't know if that market will ever exist for sort of enterprise level sales because even in the entertainment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► industry like you know my or whatever is a couple grand but it's not sixty grand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► Whereas Oracle you know helps the businesses and their their checks have a lot of zero. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► So well in the end all the proposed casters who were doing it like from studios are as part of bigger companies they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► already have their workload established like you're going to get them with a with a new tool at this because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► already have their already set up with how they do things was started on core intuition semi recently that Daniel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► jacket was talking about how I think this may be fast Cripps is that his as I write a script a little description using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► the keyboard circuits and so he had written it in had like Percy licensing model or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4253">TS</a>]
01:11:02 ◼ ► and then he got approached by some company and they said we want to buy it for the entire company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4262">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► and I forget exactly how we phrased it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► but I parent he came up with some number that he thought was so ridiculous they would basically laugh at him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► and that's kind of what you guys are talking about is you know you find there's eventually at a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► when a company will pay just absurd amount of money in order to get this app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► but I agree with you that finding podcasters to do this is going to be challenging. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► Yeah and maybe someday there will be enough Pod casters to make this a viable market. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► But today there are there is just simply are not that many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► and they were so far from that like it's not like there were that many. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► They're going to be that many next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► but I'm even making this app like we're pretty far from there being enough to support things like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► So in conclusion somebody make this awesome apps we will buy it and tell you what's wrong with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► and you out of business then I probably wouldn't buy it. I already have our workflow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4316">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► We would totally get it to make you buy a parka. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4321">TS</a>]
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01:16:01 ◼ ► Just one game which I think Marco's blathers I guess you haven't seen the game is cross the road. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► Everybody's playing it's very popular these days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4567">TS</a>]
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01:16:22 ◼ ► the game is like kind of like Frogger if you remember that if you know you can do it like in there far as I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► talk about this game what I talk about is the monetization strategy of this game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4589">TS</a>]
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01:17:52 ◼ ► but the characters don't make the game any easier for you so they don't give you extra powers they don't give you extra. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4672">TS</a>]
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01:18:13 ◼ ► and that has worked in the past so maybe I'm not quite understanding it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4693">TS</a>]
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01:19:53 ◼ ► some ad revenue for that but I just look at this game and like boy I wish I could give you some money for this game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4793">TS</a>]
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01:20:08 ◼ ► But two things I would start across the road is the development of a millionaire right now is swimming in a bathtub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4808">TS</a>]
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01:20:15 ◼ ► but it's puzzling to me because it seems to do everything wrong like from the perspective of the evil free to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► games like learns to extract money from people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4822">TS</a>]
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01:22:25 ◼ ► the game to unlock this stuff for free than it is to buy that is more fun so why would you have the other thing is less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/4945">TS</a>]
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01:23:34 ◼ ► and I'm seeing no ad I'm seeing no solicitation for buying these coins are doing it go die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► and you'll see a little things as free gift and if you have over a hundred Corell Yeah you know I sort of did before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► and that's why so like the little icon that shows the filmstrip I don't know if kids know what film looks like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► value lawyer but the little notches so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► when you do an icon like the old telephone handset icon much I guess kids are kind of socialized to know means phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5034">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► but whatever it is cellular filmstrips with the little holes in the edges I don't know if people know that anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► There's a little symbol looks like that and it shows clients Oh here's this Kumble thing L. Case I'm seeing this now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► I saw this once before I had no idea I could even pay anything and here I thought it was literally a free gift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► and I just get this you know this weird cow or something you have and you can't pay there you can go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:25 ◼ ► when you start the game there's a little thing where you can change your character in the lower left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► and if you scroll through all the characters have ninety nine cents underneath this is the worst monetise popular game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► Well that's one thing I don't know if it is like we're on the outside we don't know how much my Again this person could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► already be a millionaire We have no idea what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:40 ◼ ► but it's on so I feel that has developed because whatever they're making they could be making a lot more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5080">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► Yeah I would have paid five ninety nine for this game is an amazingly well done game I mean granted this is Frogger you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► know he didn't make a frog or whatever but execution wise and like fit for you know for input method [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► and viewing contracts and retina screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5096">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► and everything it's it's beautiful it's amazing I mean even if they were just and I had on the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► or bottom like just like a bird and that would annoy me and it would make the game less fun. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► Well and you can pay a dollar to to hide it I would have to pay that instantly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► Right like that that itself I guarantee you whatever monetization they're doing with this app with this weird pointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► I guarantee you what I just said with an eye and a dollar to hide it would have done at least ten times better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► But you wouldn't have done that because you would have felt bad about it happen like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► This not if you buy all these characters that are ninety nine cents a like twenty of them I think you could spend like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► twenty or thirty bucks on this game. But even but as you said look there's really no reason to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► Well I mean again maybe it was just in my experience and in my kids experience it seems like there's not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► But maybe other people again with buying the hats and Team Fortress two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► and all that stuff like maybe go on horse armor there's another gaming reference where you like maybe people do want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► buy them and don't want to unlock them and just can't live unless they have a Dark Lord as their character. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► Characters are cool and they do change the game they really need you know I can't help. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5156">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► But feel like we spent the beginning of this episode talking about how the spammy push notifications are really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► cheapening your product and it's a terrible way to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► and now we're ending the episode by saying oh you should put ads on this thing you would made a fortune. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► Thanks a lot of people. They can but I tell you what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► Everyone go down this game for free play it for five or ten minutes and if you think it's worth something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► Pay ninety nine cents for the favorite character dress and by the way I said they changed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► and they changed the graphics and again they don't change the gameplay only to sometimes make it harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► but for example if you buy the penguin spoiler makes everything else snowy it's adorable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► Just what even like what you said what you said like like the whole idea like oh I got this game for free I'm enjoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► it so much I want to give the money I forgot how much you pay for the game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► Days after buying it and it was free maybe you thought you had given us the money but you didn't. Well exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► So many people I bet like they don't like you know a lot of people only buy free stuff or download free stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5216">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► But there's a lot of people like me who are like you'll pay a dollar for a game without really thinking about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► And so like if you see a game that has no ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► and no obvious spam to try to monetize I would assume I prepared for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► and not even think about giving the Mormon in the future. All right. I think we're done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► Anyway thanks a lot to our four sponsors this week studio neat Harry's Squarespace and Linda dot com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► and we will see you next week. Now to be as it was accidental accidental found because it was that was accidental. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5247">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► Yes he was accepted that scandalous and I should both give this game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► and I think I'm friends with all of you have this game and all point more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► I just played it on the air I can't like this is we had a punk that's where pod casting fall I play in cross he wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► on the Air Force test over it really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► My favorite feature of the game which I feel better most point of and you see it it's just really really well done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► Is that your game center friends that when they play of course it records a score and you can see a leader board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:57 ◼ ► when you're playing the game you'll see the name of the person written across the farthest distance that they've made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5337">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► it their highest score you know I was I was the Marco Arment on like you know thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► or whatever your pathetic score is the ground so you literally hop over their name when you're beating their score. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► and I was trying to I kept trying to contact Jason I think he left I sent him private messages I sent to my AMS What I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► was trying to do is send a friend request from my son's game centre account to his because Jason has the highest score [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► of anyone on my friends list but my son I think has been him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► and I want to give my son motivation to beat somebody score so I said if they could just get him to be friends Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► then he would have you know I did because when Jason in the second place. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► All right so I have an I haven't got an app for years now figures lets you browse other apps rankings. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► So I'm showing you know the rankings pretty consistent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► It is if you look at just free like on the free chart it is in the it's in the top five most of the times across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► road is really in the top five and I look at it like what category looking at. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5396">TS</a>]
01:30:01 ◼ ► It's and it's in the top one through Ford and games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5401">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► Oh it's number twelve overall new number thirteen you know we look at. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► So we're talking like this is like this is the number twelve most downloaded free app in the App Store for for the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► you know while. So that's a very very high rank probably tens of thousands of installs per day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► Now if you look at the top grossing in i Phone top grossing is around the two hundredth place. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► So it's placing number fifteen of top downloads. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► Number two hundred top grossing and i Phone and i Pad It's like number three hundred. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► So it's even worse an i Pad That is I mean I'm sure I'm sure the developers are making decent money on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► but the money they're making is not proportional to the downloads they're getting at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► Like it's like that's a very bad ratio for how popular this game is how popular it has been for the last couple of for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► or where they have a lot of been out that is not generating a ton of money for for that level downloads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5454">TS</a>]
01:31:00 ◼ ► and I think it shows like just getting a bunch of people if you have some kind of premium monetization scheme like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5460">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► you have to also say like the pain point of what you're paying for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:13 ◼ ► You have to set that with with some thought as well they just had to be smart business you know ranking in the four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5473">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► hundred in the abstract I'm guessing atop my head I'm guessing that's five thousand dollars a day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► or less for a game this popular that's not great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► That's that's really like that help of getting really ripped off and it's basically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► But by their own creation here by by not giving enough of a reason for people to pay and also not putting an ad in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:40 ◼ ► or not putting a price on it like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5500">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► and I guess I feel bad for whoever made this because it's it's clearly like the world is getting a lot more value out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► of this than what they're being ultimately paid for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► So real time follow up I am playing this game and it's weird but I'm looking at my leaderboard and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5512">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► It's going from bottom to top me with twenty eight. My friend Eric we lander with thirty four Marco is forty three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► Adam Swindon with sixty three John Surtees a one fifty seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► and then SALIE Dan provost of studio need three hundred eighty four. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:18 ◼ ► Wow yeah I haven't really broken through in this game yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5538">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► You know you're on that John I mean we don't stand a chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► but you you might find a problem with that with the control scheme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► and like I have my own sort of energy meter in the game where I'm just serious cases now if I play if I play it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► than two times my I have diminishing returns in the controller know the computers cheating Marco it was a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► Now the ultimate I mean like obviously the tap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► and if this is one of those games where the ultimate interface I feel I could be if I could hook up a D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► or a joystick to this early the game would be a minimum time of course to learn part of the game is like yeah you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► part of the game is the control scheme is not quite that they used to have to go forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5575">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► but swipe for the other three directions and frequently I will initiate an action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► and get the wrong action like basically it'll hop for when I really meant to be a swipe back to left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► or the right because the controls are not that precise but that's all part of the game you know anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► Really what I do best is when I'm not paying attention. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► Like I just I just sort of look absent mindedly the screen around the algorithm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► and I find myself crossing into the hundreds and on there are some crossing two hundred good service and die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► but there are only two or three games and then I you know go back to the desert golfing or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► Yeah I've actually been playing a lot of desert golfing it's amazing desert golfing cross the road is a better game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► and as a governor of a great concern. I spent a lot more time as a governor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5620">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► but that's not I don't think it's I'm currently on a whole two hundred seventeen farther than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► but my Of course my Doesn't golfing score is not good as a governor is brutal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5630">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► I'm at the seven hundred forty three structure being a hole to seventy in my school. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5636">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► It's just terrible because like it's a whole game section. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► Does does or golfing it's punishing in that like it's brilliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► and pure in that you watch the game you start playing that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► when you realize the game puts you back to where you were. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► That's it no saves no loading screen no menus no one do you can't even reset it can you know start you can and start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► Like that's it the game is the game the best thing would be like if they actually Stuart Stuart it's what your score [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► and i Cloud so that you couldn't even research right now is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► but then you need to have like it would be like singing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► and everything is just brutally like this is the game you are now playing the game of didn't like that stroke you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► There's no mulligan there's no undo there's no resetting anything going from left to right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► and terrible physics engine that is just filled to the brim with B.S. Because I cannot leave. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► However they programmed me. YOU PLAYED IT market like oh you're not going to roll down that hill. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► It just like stops in the middle of one hill but any other hill or down the entire thing slow it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5695">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► and even just the physics of bounce thing like the angle of incidence does not equal the anvil angle of reflection in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:07 ◼ ► any universe forget about sense emulation this is not even if you had a rigid body physics is B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► In this game and yet I play it because you just launch it and what you do when you get in the ball in the hole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► and you quit whenever you want and you come back to be right where you left off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► And yeah I did sixteen strokes not Hulk it was pissing me off for the next one I got on my me just keep going. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► In fact speaking about Pike on his on his video game I believe is called up up down down there right now anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► He interviewed the creator of this sometime recently and I love the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:41 ◼ ► and said like you know like the first time you get a hole in one you expect like some kind of like congratulations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5741">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► and just nothing happens like you get it goes to the next hole. That's no different than any other score. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► A lesson about life this is really not the next game we need to get General Honore to play although I think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:56 ◼ ► probably bounce off of it but if he ever comes out of his three stupor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5756">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► There's a golf thing does or golfing can teach you something profound about life I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► Kind of in the same way the Demon's Souls can I absolutely love it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:08 ◼ ► Mark real time follow up I now have forty sixty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5768">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► or forty three so I can put the game down to hop over the named engine was not fun I didn't like his name it looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:16 ◼ ► like gobbledygook and I think you've never actually played Frogger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5776">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► or had heard of it before I mentioned it here I had heard of it you big jerk but no I never played it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► However I did see I think I've even seen the segment on Seinfeld. I didn't even watch Seinfeld. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:30 ◼ ► That's where you know right from here. Anyway this is better than for a lot of them hard now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5790">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► Now I can construct a plain stupid game I hate you too. Just installed us forgot it will calm you back down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► Yes sorry does or golfing like according to the Gulf Do people are going to search for the name to find it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► Then does their golfing as you pay money for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5812">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► and at that you pay money you get the game this is the game was it a dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5815">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► or two you are now playing the game I remember it was I have gotten so much enjoyment of the game because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► and I know how like how abusive it is and yet I keep playing like it is satisfying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:08 ◼ ► and I think I was saying it like like there are so many games it just it just like a constant like showering you with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5828">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► Anything you do anything you're amazing here's some fireworks you get a bonus coin for your cow it's like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:24 ◼ ► there's none of that like you just play the game and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5844">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► when you succeed in doing each hole you just move on to the next hole. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:31 ◼ ► That's it and again and the game is cruel and arbitrary an anchor incorrectly programmed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► but you love it just like life the only thing that makes you mad about this game is that I didn't make it to this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► like I've always kind of wanted to make a game and you could've made this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:47 ◼ ► Yeah and there's not a lot of games that I'm technically qualified to make and I totally could have done this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5867">TS</a>]
01:37:54 ◼ ► The trick in the tricky part is the procedural generation with a twist of the levels I think that is the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5874">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► Because the genius of this game is it just goes on and on and on like how can I go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:04 ◼ ► and on to the human layout all these levels know it's procedurally generated but not just is it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► Yeah it is an article about Xander view it's a pretty large area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► but not random so there is human influence over it somehow that like particular holes have certain attention paid to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:18 ◼ ► them I don't know the details he didn't really have but it's for the most part procedurally generated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5898">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► but with a human touch to you know when you're stuck on a hole that is particularly difficult. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:27 ◼ ► I always see the you know the touch of the human you know scoring with you there. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5907">TS</a>]
01:38:31 ◼ ► Like there's been like a like a big ramp up to the hole on both sides. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5911">TS</a>]
01:38:35 ◼ ► You instantly roll off of anything and we're in little ledges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5915">TS</a>]
01:38:37 ◼ ► and so if you can see kind of see the human touch there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5917">TS</a>]
01:38:40 ◼ ► but there's so many levels you know that you can get up to the cactus yet I don't know where that is because a cactus. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5920">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► Yeah I well I mean I actually enjoy this game it's crazy like I was I took so many friggin screenshot that I can't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► I knew it was coming in there are other things out there in the distance too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5936">TS</a>]
01:38:59 ◼ ► but I don't want to I don't want to ruin what it says it's not frog fractions which you've both never heard of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5939">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► but trust me that's an apt comparison. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► and there golfing is the opposite of progress action applying that the funny thing is in the lake nothing the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:15 ◼ ► thing will full of game development I've done one of the things I've done is a procedural terrain generator for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5955">TS</a>]
01:39:21 ◼ ► scorched earth style game which is this stuff I actually already have an algorithm to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5961">TS</a>]
01:39:26 ◼ ► and I don't have the things that like you know make sure that the hole is reachable in some reasonable way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5966">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► Yes that's one thing like procedure generally dangerous because you can get on a little ball specially with this B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:37 ◼ ► You get on one of the holes you have to be careful and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5977">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► and the other thing is like so you precision are generated you hope you have rules so you don't make them in a hole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► but you have to play through them all to make sure and that's the worst punishment of all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:49 ◼ ► We so so like is my whole two or three the same as your whole two or three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5989">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► Yes yes it's determined if they were the seed and ever in the levels that with him although he said he might change. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/5993">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► A future and might change some of the later levels I won't tell you what later means but you'll be depressed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► and I was really trying to think of like if I never uninstalled is game out I'll run this until it doesn't run on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► Just keep going like the numbers will keep going up the ball keep going in the hole I will keep getting angry at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► physics for was a huge on the tweeted about how you has to go sixty four bit now because again I'm stuffed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQeJ-xI/6021">TS</a>]