00:00:00 ◼ ► But it's one that we can do in thirty first because case you might be at a New Year's party I'm going to parties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/0">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► anymore a part of his life is over now. Well no I didn't even ask you John. That's my birthday. It is the thirty first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► It's his fortieth birthday Marco get with the program. Oh man where I've been. You're the worst. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/10">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► OK So we will record that day you know we can go live a terrible no. Why isn't that terrible. I'm not going anywhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/15">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► I'll be in the house you should be going somewhere so we're going to YOU SHOULD NOT BE IT'S MY BIRTHDAY AND DO IT I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/22">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► WILL and I think that's the B.S. We're bring people thing your birthday is about them or what they want to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/27">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► I'm not I don't care what you want to do on my birthday I care what I want to do and I love you so much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/34">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► Well talk to Tina make sure that that I understand that schedule one hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/39">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► and never do any of my birthday were under any Remember those that her gift to you every year is not doing anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/43">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► that I thought I asked for every year what do you have your birthday. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/49">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► No gifts and no party you want to do some follow up really quickly starting with batteries. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/51">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► Sure they were talking about how the on the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/58">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► and the components will have to go down in power because the battery is not going to save it because batteries are only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/62">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► increasing not increasing as fast as the power usage of the internals of the watch might decrease in their in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/68">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► power thirst and I think after a number like fifteen percent year over year or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/75">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► Anthony Kennedy wrote in to say that the number is actually much lower than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/80">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► and I talked about this on a hypothetical number seventy four which is way back in when June of two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/84">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► and twelve had a similar show and wondered the same thing and probably got thing back probably from the same person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/89">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► But anyway the actual number is more like seven to eight percent year over year for battery increases so if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/95">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► looking for a better technology to save the watch that's not going to happen it can be just like the phone where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/101">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► components are just going to go down in power usage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/106">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► and it's going to be a long time before batteries are twice as good as they are now four times as good ten times as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/109">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► good. Yeah there's something about the that a lot of the way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/115">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► Watch speculation from people has really kind of annoyed me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/120">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► People keep saying oh well you know right now the watch is going to have this battery life is going to have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/123">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► one day but it only a few years it's going to have way better battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/128">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► and I think this is not only you know it's not only an overestimation of how quickly batteries get better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/132">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► but also I think it's it's ignoring the way things usually tend to happen with computer form factors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/139">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► Look at the phone for instance look at the i Phone The very first i Phone battery life was you know roughly a day of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/147">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► usage almost every i Phone since then and has been roughly a day of usage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/154">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► and you know like the six plus it's you know now it's like you know maybe two days for some people to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/159">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► but the battery life in the entire i Phone line in the last what seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/166">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► and a half years has stayed pretty much the same you know with give and take here and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/171">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► but in the same ballpark we're not talking about order of magnitude difference here you know it's not it's not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/175">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► or two a month because the reality is you're you're bound by how much mass you have to devote to battery space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/183">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► and generally what kind of you know what kind of power output you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/192">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► and things like radios it's hard to make those lower power because you just need a certain to transmit power etc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/196">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► screens you know you have to eat a certain amount of light and so even like the watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/201">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► I suspect they're going to go to the screens either in the first version or soon afterwards. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/207">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► And that's I suspect that's why everything that designed with black backgrounds. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/213">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► Because as far as I know actually only use electricity to light up the pixels of that right. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/216">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► Each individual pixel emits light so if you have ones that are on Karlie off they don't right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/221">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► So if you have an all black screen with a few thin white lines that actually doesn't use a whole lot of a lot of power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/226">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► for the for the L.C.D. Anyway ultimately I think the watch is always going to be extremely battery constrained. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/231">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► It's always going to last roughly a day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/237">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► That's always been the target because what's going to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/240">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► when the battery gets eight percent more efficient next year they're going to make the watch a percent thinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/242">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► or something like that that's what they do they're not going to make it ten times larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/248">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► and give you a week of battery life like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/253">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► Typically if you look at the at a different form factors of technology look at the same thing in tablets tablets have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/255">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► roughly ten hours of battery life. Usually you know like and it's that's not a coincidence. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/262">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► It's because everyone just kind of just kind of figured OK well the best balance of like way to brightness to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/267">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► computational power to radios to size gives roughly these proportions and it's it's roughly in that ballpark. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/273">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► The watch I don't think is ever going to be at the point where it gets you know a month of battery life like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/281">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► traditional watch. There even longer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/287">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► I think we're always going to be measuring it in small numbers of days for you know well not always on an infinite time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/289">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► scale but maybe not on a Syracuse a time scale but or for the foreseeable future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/297">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► and you know I'm talking probably a decade possibly longer I think that's the kind of magnitude of battery life are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/304">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► going to talking about here I don't think that's going to change for all the battery stuff for these things you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/312">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► just think of the battery is constant even though it's seventy percent a year compared are the elves basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/316">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► consonant what what Apple in particular has done if you even if you just ignore thickness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/321">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► and stuff which we talk about a lot of if you just made a little thicker every year they spend the additional resources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/326">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► like you know so they do a process shrink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/332">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► or now we have all this extra power overhead because all of something's lost power are we switched all that we just got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/334">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► forty fifty percent screen power back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/339">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► What are we going to do with all that all they do with all is they spend it on computer make the C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/342">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► Faster they make you be a veteran. And how much faster they decide to make it how much do they spend on RAM C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/346">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► They spend as much as they possibly can while keeping the thing the same thickness or thinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/352">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► and keeping the same battery alive but that's where they spend it all because the c. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/356">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► Do you keep getting faster and faster and with the shrinks like when they have the shrink. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/360">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► If they had to shrink it let's just keep the C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/364">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► The same as it was rocking going to sixty four bit we're not going to go to three core is not going to go to court who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/366">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► is going to one Cor our battery life could be tremendous now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/370">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► but they don't they always spend it I mean the sooner they get the additional power savings from the major components [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/373">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► not the additional battery life will power savings. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/380">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► They spend as much as it or they can to meet their goal which enables case tends to be thinner if possible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/382">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► And whatever the target battery life is other people could be spending that same windfall again not a windfall from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/388">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► battery gains windfall from lower power components they could spend in all sorts of ways they could spend it merely by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/394">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► increasing their battery life and just keep it the same then we'd be using a C.P.U. In a G.P.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/400">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► That are as powerful as the i Phone one but a battery life would be insane. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/404">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► But nobody wants I don't think we're probably not enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/407">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► We're probably this is going to be our photo management thing like from the prompt isn't it where we just continually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/411">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► complain about the fact that Apple's insisting on scene over everything I don't complain about I like I think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/419">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► reasonable thing to do it's just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/425">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► when you diversify the line of products maybe there's room finally for one that varies in this way you know what I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/426">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► Like when there's just one product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/433">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► and then you constantly making it there it seems like you might have such a range specially with a big giant phone it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/435">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► seems like there'd be room in their line up to make a different compromise in this particular area instead of going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/441">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► across the board it's always got to be thinner for the target battery life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/446">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► Right like like what if there was an i Phone six that one millimeter thicker than the five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/451">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► With the six not the six plus because that might be a little unwieldy at the six plus size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/457">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► but with the regular six taken the five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/460">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► Instead of being such a thinner than it that might give it forty percent more battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/464">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► and it would be a little heavier as a result and so this is this is a problem. Batteries is that they're heavy too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/469">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► It isn't just about making space for them it's also about weight. As I say you go for the the i Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/473">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► Five form factor like if they bring that back you know well you know to make a new phone in that size is that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/480">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► continuing the five S. In the five C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/485">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► If you made a cheap phone think that cheap small phone make it thick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/487">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► and then it's like well the top of the line went to super thin and sexy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/491">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► If you get the four inch model which is you know I guess it's so bad the five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/495">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► Internals like put a think about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/501">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► and that one then then it kind of makes sense in the lineup rather than trying to make to be expensive one take because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/503">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► like you said heavier feels like Haitian you know the feels should not be getting the sleek one like the the Palm five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/507">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► this week Parliament was because so much thinner than you know a pump I was so good got your leg on recently I looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/516">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► at mine recently and really it's just about like like you remember it in your mind that I had the five X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/521">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► Finally died like it took so long for anything else to come out that was as good as the as the as the five X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/531">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► but That one hundred sixty one hundred sixty pixel screen I believe so yes I like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/538">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► But almost bigger than I was like honors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/542">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► and I because it is big it is the biggest most I was icons we are sponsored this week by studio neat once again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/544">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► The guy's a studio neat design tools that make the things you have just a little bit better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/553">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► They started with the glyph that's the G.L. I F. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/557">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► and stand for i Phones Well now they have a new version of it that is adjustable so it into just what the case size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/561">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► changes of the i Phone So now when the new i Phones came out when the i Phone six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/569">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► and six plus came out it was compatible on day one and it works whether or not you have a case on your phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/573">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► They also make the cars not stylish which I like a lot of my favorite styles for i Pads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/578">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► and now they've moved onto cocktails and cocktail products so the studio guys Tom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/583">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► and Dan are on a mission to convince you make an awesome cocktail that home isn't that hard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/589">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► Cocktails are simple you get a few readily available ingredients you have access to everything a fancy cocktail bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/594">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► does. Except clear incorrectly sized ice to fix this Tom and then made the neat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/599">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► I skipped the knife because a set of tools for creating the right price for your at home cocktails. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/605">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► Now Casey you have any nice get. As do I. You describe how it works. Sure so you need ice Kit has a few components. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/611">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► It is a sole cone sleeve for lack of better word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/618">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► and then a foam insulated thing that you put around it like a giant cosey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/624">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► Yeah yeah that's right away is it cozier Cousy because I was thought it was cozy. You're from Ohio. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/629">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► Anyway this is about the need I skate in the need ice kit is amazing and I made a whole review. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/635">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► I put a whole post on my blog. A review of this thing which I never do because I like it so darn much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/642">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► And what you do is you have the sole counsel either you put some water in I think it's like four inches long two inches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/648">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► and so you fill it up with water you put that silicone sleeve inside the cozy Cousy cozy whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/656">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► and discard the scuzzy right hence you put that in the freezer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/662">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► Wait about a day and what ends up happening is because of the way ice freezes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/668">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► You have a four by two by two block of ice that's about half really really cloudy and half crystal clear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/671">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► And so what you do is you use the included mallet and chisel to break the block in half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/679">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► and you can use the cloudy part for things like Martini shakers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/686">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► or something like that where it's not terribly important that you have clear ice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/690">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► and then you can use the clear piece for you know just having a cocktail on the rocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/694">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► or in this case on the rock you can you can you can chisel it even further [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/699">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► and use it like a Tom Collins classes that are etc This thing is amazing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/704">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► It is totally totally a waste of time by most measures and OH MY GOD I LOVE IT SO MUCH I really honestly do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/709">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► and Granted I'm paranoid and I don't like being pay. Good to say I love it but don't really it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/716">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► and if you at all care about the quality of your cocktails I cannot suggest enough that you pick one of these up it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/724">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► Each Need ice kit includes the scuzzy mode we were just talking about a chisel that includes a bottle opener a club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/730">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► and a Louis bag so you can use these things to create essentially any ice type you could need for a cocktail. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/739">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► You can make a big beautiful clear ice cube for like an old fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/744">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► or something you can make smaller ice chunks for Tom Collins you can make crushed ice for a mint julep. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/747">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► This makes an amazing gift for the holidays you can give people for wedding gifts and everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/752">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► This is one of those things like every holiday season about like the entire category of gifts that are for other adults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/757">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► that that you don't really know what else to get them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/768">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► and maybe they're hard to shop for because they hate everything where they already have everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/770">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► This category of guess is usually full of bunch of garbage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/774">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► There's a very small number of things that I would recommend in this category and this is one of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/777">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► Thanks a lot to studio neat and the neat ice kit for sponsoring our show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/782">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► Once again go to Studio neat dot com and use code A.T.P. To get ten percent off anything in the store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/786">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► Once again studio neat any eighty studio neat dot com Use Code A.T.P. For ten percent off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/793">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► I also very highly recommend the glyph and the cosmonaut. OK So we also got some feedback from J.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/800">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► Toto who corrected I think mostly me more than anyone else about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/808">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► I asked for the Microsoft web server on anything other than Windows and so he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/814">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► or she said regarding the I asked on linux dot net business. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/820">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► It won't actually be I asked running on Linux or the mac it is a new web server called Kestrel built on live T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/824">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► and It's a lot like the node web server I don't know the exact writing model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/831">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► but you can front end it within generates engine X. How do you pronounce that engine X. and X. You got it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/834">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► So don't worry nobody will be running big fat ins on any Linux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/842">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► and Sheens anytime soon so that makes a lot more sense than what I think I said on the last episode so I appreciate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/844">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► follow up from J.P. Too. Moving on can you manufacture that thing like Apple does John. You can't sell to the story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/852">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► We talk a lot about this about how Apple manufactures things last year we talked about how Apple deciding that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/865">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► going to make eventually its entire product line out of big blocks of aluminum the precision machines in the search. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/873">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► Shapes affected the rest of the industry and help the rest of the industry have the expertise and the machinery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/879">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► and the supplies out there to do this for their products as well like a Nokia MacMini clone thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/886">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► and there was a particle on media my friends are covered on the author's name here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/892">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► when you can look up about how you can manufacture like Apple is it short. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/896">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► There was just a couple of throwaway one liner anecdotes about things that Apple has done like they bought ten thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/900">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► Milling machines to to make mac book bodies instead of you know just a couple of them to the laser drilled those holes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/907">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► to let you see the idea like that shines through the aluminum like you can see the holes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/913">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► and light is often light is on it's like magically shine through. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/917">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► There was you know only one company that made the drills that could make those little holes so bought the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/920">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► and took all of its existing inventory to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/927">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► and you know they were manufacturing a battery to fit in some tiny space of know and sell you a battery that fits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/929">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► and there are no one's willing to make you one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/933">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► You just make one yourself from scratch that's usually not an option for most people lot of it has to go if you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/935">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► It's good to be big gigantic company with tons of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/941">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► and it also means that other companies that don't make products that look as nice as apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/945">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► or like try to imitate Apple Apple's products like they'll use aluminum they'll use glass to use you know laser cutter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/952">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► holes everything like that. If you're going to do exactly the same thing as Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/958">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► It may be very difficult for you to make something as good or at a similar price or both your best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/962">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► but I would imagine is to make something that feels you know if you want to make something with equally high quality. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/968">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► Why isn't why isn't everything feel like it's made like an Apple product you can make something high quality you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/973">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► might have to make it out of material that feels I call it a bit but is either a more established process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/980">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► or you know it cost less money or it doesn't require any special machinery can still feel expensive and high quality. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/986">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► You don't have to chase Apple Exactly exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/992">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► You're going to have a very hard time doing exactly what they do for the same cost as they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/995">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► but they just have massive economies of scale and a huge investment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/999">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► and probably people on their payroll people are locked into a squeeze of contracts that are the best at doing whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► it is they do so they look at that and shut out the lab to get pretty much just summarize the entire article. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► John why don't you tell us about how awesome it is to have an empty row on the bottom of your i Phone home screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1015">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► I told you about these people last week we were talking about the leaving the empty row [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► and all that stuff like that I said some people don't have any rows and they just put everything in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► and a set of folders and one of those people send us a screenshot we'll put a link to the tree in the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► It just has four folders in the dock in each of the forefathers has a looks like a color coded set of nine icons so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► they could be more you can tell many pages and so that's their screen just blank. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► It's a big picture of the sun on the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► and you know there is strokes for different folks I mean I this could just be like an artistic stunt type thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► but like you say if you want everything to be toothache the way all the time at least go for it. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► When you said that some people did this. You can believe me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► Yeah I thought yeah maybe in theory somebody might be able to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► but there has to be nobody out there who actually would make everything harder to I mean this could be a stamp on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► color coding it's like you know maybe this is just like a silly thing that is set up this way to get going. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1075">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► But I've seen people in real life we don't just have the doc like that what they will have is a row of folders at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► top and the doc will have like you know phone mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► and Safari where you know like the doc will just have single icons for them for it on the top of page one of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► folders whenever I don't know this is not at all in my hands that I mean this is why you have the ability to customize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► it I suppose so everyone can be their own special snowflake. Tell me about Instagram completionist John. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► Oh yeah this is you know this is a complaint email from Jonathan another person suffering from a capital thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► and they're going to that it was a it was a nice summary and it echoes my complaints. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► Jonathan says I try hard not to be an interim completion that is interns behavior is maddening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► Not only does it forget where you are because there is a new images posted your return to the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► I've never actually had this happen like where you're sitting there paging through images in a new image appears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► because I don't follow people I guess but if it's growing up to the top that would drive me mad as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► You're also a return to the top of your fee to be switch away from the app. Worse the feed has a fixed length. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► If you get to the end of the field you might be missing photos older than the oldest one visible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► This leads me to the crazy behavior of checking my feed twice a day so I don't miss anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► This is probably exactly what Instagram ones I hate them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► You know I have an Instagram completionist as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► and I don't know how many people I follow run my mouth for second while I work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► but I don't really have this kind of problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► I agree with both you and Jonathan that that it is maddening the way their apt works for completionist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► but I don't run into the same kinds of problems that apparently you guys do like I've never seen it jump to the top. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► While I was browsing Instagram like I don't think it even does that yeah I don't I don't follow I don't follow enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► people to have to do that but just merely a thing of just putting you at the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► and you have to scroll back to find that last picture you're solid and like Twitter does it intentionally. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► Twitter's thing is you're not supposed to carry not supposed to be aging plays I suppose to be like what's happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► now what's in the moment like an honest T.V. Channel you know in the seventy's or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1196">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► NEVER LIKE I AM radio or whatever keep going back in time ever I'm going to telegraph anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► and what's going on now you know I supposed don't worry about the past the past of the past what's going on now which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► think is not a great I don't I don't like that philosophy and I certainly don't use sort of that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► But anyway that's what they're going for this through I'm going for the same thing don't worry about what your people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► posted yesterday only worry about the pictures that are happening today like I guess it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► but I would wonder like what is their ideal like volume. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► How many photos come from people that you follow per days and one in seven is at one hundred seven thousand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► Like I don't know what their their number is of obviously my numbers are way below if they think it's very high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► and think like I don't know you're a teenager [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► and all your friends are snapping seventeen it's going to pictures a day and you follow fifty people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► and it's just every day just hundreds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► and hundreds of pictures of course you're not going to be complete since you just want to say hey what's what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► people doing now. Maybe you'll go back for one or two pictures but that's not how you sent to them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► I just I'm not an experience as a gram user so I can't say like that's not what instrument is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► or what it started out as and certainly Twitter did not really start out as a completionist medium either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► but I don't know like I would love to ask if there is some person who has a vision for both Instagram and Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► Why is it that the vision of don't worry about happened in the past what is appealing about that why is that the goal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► Like I'm not saying it's a bad goal but it seems weird to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► and sort of also like is there no room for anything where you care about like special things we choose who you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► I guess he was not supposed to care about everything those people ever write I mean Facebook forget it Facebook is gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► nobody sees any everything of anything anymore it's all just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► Well but but there it's a monetization strategy that's very different I know but it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► but it's also the whole down noise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► and like a tide seeing things with friending so you could sound people so they would still be your friends they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► hurt their feelings but you never see any You're starting to see things by friends of friends and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► and you're right the monetizations that reason to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1317">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► At the mental model long ago on Facebook I feel like broke down to the point where regular people don't understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► permutations and I kept changing the rules anyway. So now just forget it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► and Instagram are both so simple vertical timeline chronologically ordered with a few variations thrown in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► but not many that haven't changed that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► and yet they also want you to just apparently be like in the moment don't worry about what happened five seconds ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► that both pictures are dead to you don't look back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► Just real time follow up by the way I follow about ninety people on Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► and I would say based on no fact checking whatsoever just got feeling I think I see between ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► and twenty pictures in a given day. New new photos in a given day. So I don't see that many yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► Even when that small quantity the stuff drives me crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► I should also point out as a responsible developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► and skeptic that the reason why Instagram put your to the top whenever you launch the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► and over this new stuff is probably at least it probably started out that way because that's easier like it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► lot easier to say we're going to like the little defeat whatever the current feed you load that of two X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► and you show that period you know that that works up until well before your purchase for a billion dollars You know one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► minimum viable product don't worry about it blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► but then like some at some point you get around to that some point in the multiple years before you're acquired for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► billion dollars you get around it if it's something that you want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► Well that's that's not a given at all though because there's a lot of apps out there from very large companies where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► the apps just suck and where things just are never fixed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► For example the mac apps store where Apple doesn't care about the mag apps right how much does Instagram care about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► quality of their apps or completionist. But but it's the quality they are after is the main thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► Like that is Instagram they don't didn't want to use the Web site the Web site like the Instagram website used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► was like yeah yeah we have a Web site whatever it's like the app is Instagram. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1436">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► It's what was purchased for a billion dollars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► If they're not doing a speech or it's because they don't feel like it's part of the product they want to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► and buy just like Twitter does not want you to be a completionist they don't want you to look back they don't want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► to feel like you have to catch up that they wanted to be more kind of dip in the stream look at it and come back out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► but Instagram is like I don't know it for some reason especially pictures. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► It just seems like there's so much easier to look at and skim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► and you'd be more likely to be annoyed if you missed one like you missed someone's tweet about what they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► or breakfast who cares but it's on course the baby picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► and you missed it like it's not the same as for a stream it's not the same as grandparents missing pictures of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► grandkids It is just kind of like here's a bunch of photos from people I know and follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► but I guess I'm just not the very few things that I that I'm interested in reading or following [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► or doing stuff with great is going to dip my toe in and be like oh it's gone it's like it's like not watching T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► Series like I just turn on T.V. and Whatever is on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► I was watching middle episode of some show that I am watch anything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► and that is forget about the next day of some of the shows I watch like never watching whole seasons never watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► shows in sequence just whatever is going on right now and that that does not appeal to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1505">TS</a>]
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00:25:42 ◼ ► Easy to use powerful tools to manage your domains so that anybody can do it. A beginner advanced It covers everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1542">TS</a>]
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00:25:52 ◼ ► Cover has one of those auto suggest things where if your name's on available they can use linguistic tricks to show you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1552">TS</a>]
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00:26:01 ◼ ► and in my experience hovers version of this is the best one I've ever seen for sure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► Very clean and simple website from being to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► and from you know the search to the management of the means after you buy them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► So you want to mess around with weird complex interfaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► and believe me if you have a registered domains you've probably seen your fair share of terrible web interfaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► especially the ever done things like managing D.N.A.'s and everything else that you have to do new and undermanned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► and wow there's a lot of terrible register had terrible websites. Happy to say however is not one of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► Other Side is easy to use. Nicely designed and respectful of you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► You also know that other registrars generally using them is unpleasant at best is usually a lot of weird tricky up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► cells and just kind of like weird ads and sleazy scams trying to get more money from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► and Hubbard of the new stuff they just they respect you they do things the way that you wish everybody did things they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► also have this great service value transfer service where if you want to give them your logon to your old registrar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1616">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► they will if you want them to log into it and move over all of your names properly to hover so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► and I can move things you know how to do so you can see you can you know make sure that all your D.N.A.'s settings go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► over correctly all your mail settings all the all the crazy stuff all your you know your little A records bring all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1635">TS</a>]
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00:27:36 ◼ ► but if you've ever called customer service for anything ever you'll realize how incredibly rare that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1656">TS</a>]
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00:28:08 ◼ ► Once again I feel compelled to note that despite that ridiculous coupon code hover really is fantastic so don't don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► use that coupon code or don't hold the coupon code against them they really are amazing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► If you want ten percent off this week you have to use that code you have to actually type that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► And anyway John I want to know what you have on your i Phone's home screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► and this is in part because beta works has released a call that was at home screen to seventy pound home screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► In any case this isn't flying around on Twitter where everyone is posting their home screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► and I was curious John what do you have on your home screen of your i Phone I thought we talked about this last week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1731">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► but first I want to talk about this application which I did download because of like you know everyone was downloading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► it and saying oh you know this home screen thing. So I downloaded the home screen app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► I thought Marco complain if you can find it for the search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► and then the App Store who search for the exact apt aimin didn't go up with it which is great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► Anyway I downloaded the app and it didn't want you to take a screenshot of your home screen which I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► and I want to come back to the app and then it does something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► and then it says a great period your screenshot is shared. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► So I feel like I have now used this out for its intended purpose right I've taken a screenshot of my home screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► I've launched the app that told me it gave me confirmation message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► and says my screen shot is shared what it shows me on the screen of the app is a tiny picture of my home screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► It is now shared I have no idea what to do America did put up a little window that said Would you like tweet about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► No I would not like to tweet about and I didn't and that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► and now people like hey why isn't your home screen on there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► Like well I shared it can people not find my home screen with I tweet about it I don't want to tweet about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1795">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► and have you guys shared your home screen how how are other people able to see my home screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► So by default by the way I didn't build this app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► Yes and I was not was not a mark of that but I have a complaint them directly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► Yes So when I so beta works its data works is that and yes I sort of favored a beta works and I know them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► when I tweeted my screenshot so by default it just shares it onto their website onto the home screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► Gaius right but how can other people see it so you can go there and like there's there's a U.R.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► If you if you open up the tweet you don't have to actually post the tweet you can give it a U.R.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► There is there is a public permalink on that domain where you can view it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► The point of this is to tweet it though and and so it will. To clarify when I tweeted it I said I said in brackets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► Shameless absolute promotion and what I was saying was I was was basically voting for overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1853">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► and Instapaper because they were on my home screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► and one of the cool things about this site is that you can go to Home screen dot is that it that I already forgot that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► I mean that's what it says but for me anyway you can go to the site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► and it'll show you keep the tally of because it what it does is it looks at the picture of your home screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► and then it actually uses image recognition to recognize with pretty good accuracy what apps those actually are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► and then it links to them you can where you can get to their i Tunes pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► and then it keeps a tally of which after most popular so I was voting for my apps that are on my home screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► And that's why I said shameless. Absolute promotion not that I made the home screen app itself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► Anyway whatever people want to pose it to them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► I mean who knows a lot of people like to know that a lot of people to share their home screens a lot of people you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► ask us or other people they know on Twitter what is your high. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► Green There used to be a whole site dedicated to it by somebody I forget who I think it was one of our like Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► blogger friends or a lot of people do that but in the app there is a Share button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► and it has tweet which I want to do open in Safari. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► I suppose they'll take me to the oral and confirm at the tech show where you can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► and confirm that it got your you know the image right now and I did all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► but other people can't find most people are asking me When are you going to share your home screen I feel like I did I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► think it should be easier for people to find my home screen not that they care like my history is my home screen is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► mess. So if you want I was actually on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► I guess that I had to fill in a row of icons before I had to rearrange things to be in my thumb I'm not really happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► with my home screen this is going to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► but it's just the usual stuff like I don't know then exciting on here I got the main Every day was over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► Overcast what are AFIC. You know Safari G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► Mail i Pod which is from an email I've got you know on a doc I've got phone photos video music Dropbox on the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1972">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► messages face time. Google Maps Apple Maps contacts like it's a start. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► Tail off after that I have the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► and like in the spot that is always going to my friend screen had been doing that for the past three years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► Why is that there is it to watch the videos now I don't use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► but like every year I replace it with a new version of the app like rather than having to rearrange everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► and essentially a placeholder for itself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► So so you have an app on your home screen that by definition you don't use for fifty one weeks out of every year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► Well I use it on an offer like this tons of apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► and here that I don't use all the time like how that's like a prime spot it's a great read and some scanning range too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► Well I don't I don't have it I haven't I haven't far away evident a bad spot right in the middle row that's far away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► from my thumb and it's like I have to reach anything on that edge you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► I suppose I could swap over settings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► or whatever like a lot of a lot of my problems do with muscle memory for where things used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► when I can reach the whole screen with my thumb. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► I still keep reaching for upper left for Safari but it's not there anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► A student far away but I still reach past where it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► So I have to I have to adjust things in the Google authenticator I don't use that very often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► but I do want it on my home screen so this is not enough apps that I use frequently enough to be deserving to be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► home screens and it's like maybe I should movies off to find icon to look nicer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► but I'm really not happy the way the thing looks I really don't like the Instagram I kind of still look like I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► sixteen is kind of my home screen this is the most baffling home screen it's not a hunter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► and a mess like this is not the way I want it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► Very few things the only things that I'm sure about more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► or less are Twitter African overcast which are really the main two out to use every day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► G amounts of Sorry used to be in totally different places I keep reaching for their old positions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► and messages is kind of OK I didn't use it as much before I had an i Phone I mean riposte [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► but not a lot I do still check and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► and the i Tunes store like do you are you buying new album a lot that's on your home screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► I want the app store on Main page because I do I do manual updates apps store yes but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► but the purple i Tunes store I do in-store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► Unlike starts the pay off was like What else should I have an hour so I kind of like the official Apple stuff you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► like the main because I don't you know I don't use a lot of these up laws so I just I don't know I have to sort it out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► This is this is worse than the camera sound effect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► Well I mean I just moved to new device my i Pod touch screen I was very happy with it here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► and I'm kind of lost until I figure it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► and the subsequent screens are even worse it was kind of a mess if you only get one more row it can't like you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► and no it's not it's the row in the sizing the sizing through of all my all my good positions of everything it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► well now that is a bad position I would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► but like calender in the upper left I don't use it at all that these three were Safari is impossible to read. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► So I you know I have to put something that I basically don't want and why is calendar on the front page. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► I guess so I can see the date I guess because it's the official count I don't use Apple's counter I use Google Calendar. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► See the thing the thing that drives me nuts about your on screen which are JONES He pointed out to me is you made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2153">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► and phone on the same screen because you can do to the best of my knowledge anyway you can do everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► Contact everything you can do in contacts you can do in the phone app so having both is just completely wasteful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► redundant but I don't use either one of those apps when I don't use the phone or your contacts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► That's something like mad people make fun of Windows people for maximizing all their windows i think i Phone People can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► make fun of former i Pod touch people for having the contact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► and the only reason it's there is because it's like an official Apple app that can see that that actually contains some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► data that I might ever want to look at I understand you control the phone but I don't use the phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► I don't use one of my own. Why would I ever going to contact that what would I do there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► and as my messages are doing her messages I'm going to call them I do it from you know like I'm not you know I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► using it's just there it's there for the same reason notes is like what a health note there this is the official Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► I have fifty note that while it's on the front page because it's the Apple one I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► So so to address your what I think is the most egregious icon taking up space in your home screen which is of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► Debussy one one of the big advantages of having a partially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► or completely empty bottom row on your home screen is that you can then place temporary use icons in that bottom row. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► So like whenever I go to a conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► or anything I always put conference related apps in the bottom row whenever I'm going on a trip. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► If there's like there's like travel related apps for the trip I'm going on to put those in the bottom row. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► But running a boarding house here you have you know I'm going to I'm going to eventually get my home screen out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► way I like if I go it will settle down I had many many years to hone my I thought that's never changed after many years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► we get that for my grid I'll settle it down I mean I don't know like I really disappointed the home screen is so damn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► big that just seems like there's just not enough icons that I care about enough to be there you know I guess I do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► know it's really just that little room. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► So three years into the baber overcast Twitter a vague letter press the one game I still play a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► and I get Instagram like that's and then everything else is just like men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► and I guess Safari any of them people ask why have videos and music in Doc videos like A.Z. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► I do watch I have a bunch a little like old T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► Shows and my things in movies and stuff in there you know because I do watch things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► or more likely open something for the kids so they can look at or whatever music I don't use either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► but its allies out there because it's like if you look at the official like the doc I don't think is a great place I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► never thought the doc was a great place like people put your most important thing the doc there will always be there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► I don't think it's good for them reaching you know I mean that used to be better for sure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► So I never thought it was good I always thought they were like overcast essentially got the prime spot it overcomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► where the right of every day I was in the podcast in the car you know overcast of the first thing you know I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► remember. I want overcast so they were both like in the hot spots where I really got Safari G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► Mail messages that drives Ikea missing them I keep going to their old spot so I really need to do to make you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► messages I don't know. I'll figure it out eventually and I don't like how it looks either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► Aesthetically it's kind of gross. It's got to run. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► When we had your home screen on the topic list I never imagined we'd get this much enjoyment out of it I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► My home's going to dump everyone who hates this topic I agree with you because the only reason I even downloaded a home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► screen yes is because we were talking about it like I thought it was a little bit silly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► I mean it's mildly intriguing to see what somebody puts on their home screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► but I don't know it's it was like one of those silly fads that just flew by Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► and I was you know I was seeing thousands of homes screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► but I don't know seeing it how unbelievably bad you are at managing your own home screen does make me feel better about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► myself a little bit my nose ring looks better than both of yours though Marcus is a ghost town like just he's got his. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2391">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► The DOD Instapaper which truncates the name that's just I mean the dot is bad enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► but then having the DOT actually push the name out like the Blue Dot does sometimes that that's And you're always going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► and then that the Instagram is screwing up your home screen to look at all the other nice Iowa seventy style icons that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► They're saying hey look at me I'm from Iowa six now good Casey's looks like an explosion of bad clip art like I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► wrap in front I don't like baby connect it has it has it exactly that I don't think we can all one is like we just took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► our logo insurance down that's an icon right guys. Money well not too hot looking fast X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► Does not have feet and in front of three folders that is three folders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► but an empty rows I need these things to be two taps away at all times but I'm like A [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► but I think if I use fantastic I did research on anybody you know if I tried searching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2454">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► and starless is futile I want to have read all the stupid description that are disclosing them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► I was looking for a counter app that would show me my Google account. Does that not exist does Google want to have one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► Now if Google if your Google account is one of the official accounts in your phone is the only way to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► I believe that's right as I don't want to because I don't want to do that. I was just hoping my like there's a G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► Mail out that just says I'm an app and I would ask you anyway whatever I cannot stand like native vs web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► but I figured I was looking at what you know calendars fiber fantastic our many other much better counter up that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► I have a fighting chance of actually using. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► If they would connect directly to my goal counter without having the ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► or the calendar thing in you know in my cloud of him so much as sunrise will do what I saw I saw a couple in their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► truth is I really don't look at my calendar on my phone so I don't know Mary. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► So why are you looking for a figure now maybe like I'll be on the phone with somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► and want to look at a calendar thing at the same time I don't know I'm. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► I'm just trying to figure out how my usage might change now that I have a net connection everywhere instead of because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► previously you know I would never need to do that because I'd be in my house with wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► or are at work it wife I usually means I'm near my computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► and I can look at Google Calendar on the big you know the web version which is what I use this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► and I think one of the reasons why I like this. This does seem stupid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► I agree the whole service devoted to sharing your home screen that does basically nothing else that does sound stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► but it's it's like looking at people's houses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► It's like you kind of it's kind of interesting you can tell a lot about a person by what they have in their home screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► how it's arranged maybe what their background is where you go for mine is this person just got an i Phone That's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► true like I'm intrigued John like you have a rotation lock on because you know I imagine you like to be controlled to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► control and that factor but your battery is not fully charged. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► And I'm kind of surprised that you let And of course you know your horizon and wife I cover you're both kind of weak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► and so I'm kind of surprised you let that out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► So my battery is plenty charge like a brand new i Phone six that is a long battery life they're the horizon signal the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► cell signal my house is terrible for either of the best in terms of signals on some carriers can even get a signal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► inside my house that is why I have a horizon i Phone So two bars I'll take it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► Casey I just noticed on your home screen that the wonderful new fast text icon is not being recognized because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► version is not yet in the App Store. You should really fix that problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► I know don't get me started this event dot next to it doesn't really do the truncate for the dot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► and like that I don't like that with the Blue Dot too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► but like you don't think that like there's plenty of room for the full name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► and the DOT it should know if you do a better job of like if there is room like next to day one the different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► like this room. You could show the rest of the rapture if that got over on the end of the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► Well and they also could just put the dot on the corner of the icon the way. Badges are done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2635">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► But maybe I'm a bit on the left corner so that doesn't hide the badge. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► I don't understand who the baddest for it like for people who have bad apps but don't know they have beta apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► They forget which one of the beta names are final sponsor this week is back blaze that place is unlimited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► and throttled uncomplicated online backup and just five dollars a month unlimited space. It's really a fantastic deal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► I highly recommend that you use online backup there's so many reasons why you should. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► There are so many classes of problems that online backup completely protect you from like you know if all your backups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► for all your stuff are directly connected to your computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► or if they're in your house then there's things like you know power surges fires floods all sorts of environmental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► problems that can happen to your house that could wipe out all of your data at once even your backups with back plays. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► That's a that's a thing of the past you're you're paying them to manage all this for you you don't have to worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2695">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► disks failing if if you if you computer doesn't back up properly to back please after a short amount of time it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► email you and warn you hey something's wrong we haven't heard from you in a while. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► So many problems protect you from they have these great mobile apps also for i OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► and Android where you can browse your files right from your device you know that the files on your home computer so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► you go on a trip or something you forgot a file you can access it there you can also share the files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► or your device very very handy back please was founded by X. Apple engineers they respect the Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► and their app is fully native on the mac this is not like a weird Java applets some other weird runtime it is a native [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► Iran's very well I've backed up many terabytes of stuff to back plays over the years I've used them for ever before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► they were a sponsor he was even then and I use them for my computer my wife's computer my mom's computer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► It's great this weekend for Thanksgiving if you're going home. Set up on your parent's computers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2752">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► If he doesn't hear from your parents the reason why little email you if you're the account holder so you can like then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► go help your parents say hey your backups not working let me go let me go fix it back please i love it it is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► throttled you can upload as quickly as you can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► I've I've had issues with a few other providers with that and I've never had an issue with back please. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► It really is simple it really is just five bucks a month unlimited no gimmicks no add ons. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2779">TS</a>]
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00:46:33 ◼ ► I definitely think you should use online backup and if you're going to use one I say back please is by far the best. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► And I'd say that even if they weren't paying me to say it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► and in fact before they were paying me to say it I was saying that.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► Anyway thank you very much to back please for sponsoring the show to back please dot com slash A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► All right I'd like to yell at Marco for a little bit gladly. Where's my freaking overcast America. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► Well before you go over that why do you want a makeover guest. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► OK So the reason I want a makeover test app is because I actually do a lot of my podcast listening at work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► and if I'm going to do that I'd like to do it on my mac because it seems silly in my personal opinion to have your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► phone or your i Pad out just for the purposes of listening to a podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► when I have a perfectly functioning computer right in front of me. That that would do the trick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► And yes I am aware that overcast has a web app and yes it is very good. No it's not. Well I mean it's pretty good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► No it's really not. It's pretty terrible dead either way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► But now that I've become addicted to smart speed I must have that in my life and I can't get that through H.T.M.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► Five without you spent going away for ten years and you know reinventing half of the Internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► Oh I want to know where my overcast for makup. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2876">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Please OK So first of all you know there's a couple of cases to be made here a couple different options to take. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► Obviously I should make the web better. That is that is point number one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► And if the weather is better it will read it will remove a lot of the reasons why people might want to back up not all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► of them granted and not some big ones. But but it will remove many of the reasons why people want America. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► It would also be a heck of a lot easier in many regards than making the whole MCE special because I've never made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► America before so I don't know anything about like all of Africa its intricacies and weirdnesses and limitations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► and so I would have to learn all that from almost from scratch like you know so I'm sure some of us knowledge of carry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► over but not a whole lot. I thought you did read America OK I should clarify. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► I wrote one mac app the tumbler backup app it was terrible it was very clearly my first mac I've ever written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2932">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► and I spent maybe two hours on it and most of the actual work was done in a P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► File that was embedded in the Abbott self. Are you really serious. I am totally serious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► God orders because it was like connecting the tumbler A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► In the download and making all the directories and everything and I had actually already written the P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► Script just for my own personal use to back up my own tumble log [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► and I asked a one day hey can I make a backup app because people keep asking me about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► and you know let me just make a mac appen it so I just made like a wrapper that wrapped executing the P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► Script and that's it. Anyway so I I basically have no Mac's knowledge so that that's the reason. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► Well that's a reason so Another reason is how do I put this gently. You don't you just let er rip. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► Look at other apps that are made by individual developers in a pod cast R.S.S. Kind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/2992">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► Space look at other apps that started out on i Phone then went to i Pad and then went to MAC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► and then for many of them development basically stopped and so I see this in a few absolute that I used to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► and it kind of scares me because it clearly I mean I don't know I don't know what a human story is I haven't looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► into any of these in detail but it sure looks like when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► when you go to that third platform such as the mac is so different from my US It sure looks like a lot of developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► just get stuck because there's just so much to keep up with at that point then you have these three different you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► POS with these three different code bases you know these all this like different platforms moving different times you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► know as a platform advance you have to try to keep up with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► and it just seems like the mac app is like the kiss of death for indie developers who started I was at the Dell I make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► Inevitably it doesn't seem like they sell very well I haven't I never heard of anybody saying they made a ton of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► off their mac apps who you know after they came to my US first in this case I mean obviously if you're like making like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► you know productivity professional software that's a different story but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► But in this kind of space I haven't heard of great success there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► So it just it just I'm very scared of it basically bog me down weighing me down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► and making it very hard for me to keep everything updated so that's that's a that's a major point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► I also I don't think over cash is really making enough money where it makes sense for me to pay somebody else to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► I don't think it would bring in enough money itself really to justify the expense of somebody else making it for me so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► I think it's going to just I'm going to have to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► and so the again that just that just scares me for me from just like a total engineering Ben with the perspective that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► that is scary. The other thing is like how much of a gain am I getting from the web app as a result. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3109">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► Our smart speedin often file saving and those are those are both very big things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► and if you have things like like for instance I have I have an hour I don't think I was of the publicly before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► but I have a file upload feature and it's only able to my account right now and I develop this long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► and it's probably been there for a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► and I was initially going to launch with file upload support where you have a special folder just like your inbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► or your uploads and you upload files to it and then you can play arbitrary files. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► This is useful for me because I record the Howard Stern show and I can play the Howard Stern files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► and I pod cast out which is which is very convenient. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► I built the whole feature is there it's built out on S three and I was a little scare with business concerns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► and things like you know piracy concerns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► and like you know takedown notices like if I don't have to be responsible for these files for both the costs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► and liabilities of hosting people's uploads that would certainly be ideal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► when i Cloud Drive was announced I thought you know what I'm just not going to release that S three upload feature that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► Ideally I'm going to rebuild this feature using i Cloud Drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► and very easily also support Dropbox like if it's if it's easy to also supporting the OSS that use a Viking picker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► which it probably is. I could do stuff like that so that is a way better feature. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► That being said that will never work in the web app. So there are certain things like hands off. I can do from the web. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► Others you can do handoff from web apps to I O. S. F. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► and Vice versa so I could do a handoff playback but it isn't as good or as easy from the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► and there's a few little gotchas. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► The Web I'm always facing issues of like different browsers being a pain in the butt about something at one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► and this could end up being really problematic depending on the direction that web browsers go is mixed content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► security. You know right now it's considered bad for S S. Well if you have a page conservative or H.D. P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3235">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► That includes any assets that are not served over to B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► The problem is overcast does not host the pod cast files because that would be insanely expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► and bring a lot of other problems like lack of control lack of download stats from the publishers things like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► So most Pontus files are hosted on regular D.P. Links that are not if you keep Yes because who cares. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► So I my web interface is all secure so almost every overpass player page has this mixed security problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► and that prevents a lot of things for example it also prevents me from ever making a Twitter card that includes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► audio player feature which is really annoying that I would love for overcast Twitter links to have like you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► built in player in a cart if anybody uses the card if I don't know what it works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► But Twitter cards are required to be all it should be as including all the resources they load including the media they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► load so I can't do that unless I proxy all those files which again is very expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► and has a lot of problems associated with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► I'm also completely like held at the whims of browser developers like it let's say chrome decides. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► Oh we think something is bad and we're going to stop supporting it next week because of security or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► If that something is like some kind of behavioral detail of the H.T.M.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► Five audio player or something like that I'm just screwed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► So there's all these problems with with the web app approach that it's not worth killing the web app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► It's not worth having. Having overcast on MAC be the only way you could play over files on a Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► But there's a lot of reasons why a web app might not be the probably shouldn't be the only way you can play things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► know that make sense like relying on on a web app force for the kind of functionality I do I mean if if you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► something else that's a total story but if you rely on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3357">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► I'm on serving mixed security level resources with this cutting edge H M O five audio player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► and if I if I would try to build in things like effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► and speed into it which some of that can be done with some of the new smart speeds still can't which is unfortunate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► It would have to be written in Java Script might be horribly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► Anyway the point is I'm relying on a lot of like little edge cases and cutting edge features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► and Web browsers to make this work at all and that's not a good place to be in because that could change at any time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► I also I also just hate web development. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► So it's from having done so much of in the last you know fifteen years or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► I'm so tired of web development like it is not the idea of making a really amazing javascript player for the web does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► I will eventually have to make it better and I I was actually gonna start doing that today but I got sidetracked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► but I haven't really answered your question at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► but I should give you some idea over my head is on this I have not started a mac app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► and I still not sure if I'm going to make one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► Once you do just like a little player app for the mac you know hand off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► or otherwise you're not going to you're not going to like make a mac version of the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► or forget that where you can see all your playlists and had them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► or whatever just a simple way to say somehow you will find your way to the thing that you want to play somewhere else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► and that will lead to Casey you know use his play pause button on his keyboard to you know like just just a playback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► and I guess you have to either hand off on the web handle from the I.O.'s app or something similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► but really what you'd be handing off as is the U.R.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► Then once you're into the mac app is like play this now and it would I guess have to show a title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► and get some information maybe shows Mark but it would save you from having to do with the you know the full U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► and It would so clearly just be like a player. Yeah but at that point like like why half assed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► Like what like if I if that's all I'm going to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3476">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► When I don't know I guess anything is better than the current web app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► I mean what do you do then is it on the web app which you'd like well the way that might work for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► but if it doesn't work for you click this button and open you know whatever you know X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► Overcast whatever your elbow launched the overcast app and installed and you know with your realm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► and you'll be off you know like I don't know it's all cases from the way like he doesn't need the full overcast app on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► his back he just wants to be able to play without it you know independently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► and I guess maybe you would be like what would I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► when I got to the end of the track would you send to the entire playlist full of yourselves in mid-air. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► Where did you know when to be slaves kind of like your mac is the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► and the phone in a thrilling overcast nobody like slaved out to communicating across a hand-off initiated connection to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► the future with the next track is well what I mean ultimately like all of my sinking code that's all not compatible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► All of the audio processing code that's all not compatible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► All I'm really talking about is I'd have to basically write the entire U.I. From scratch but the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► Doesn't necessarily have to be that complicated I.O.'s it's complicated because I do a lot of customization. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► Like a lot of appearance customization to give my you know my fonts and my styles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► and everything on it was ten maybe I don't need to do that I don't know I have I have looked at any of this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► Well you got to do it. I can factory did and port you I get to the MAC first right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► That's a pretty big pre-requisite I'm not sure I'm a dude. Larry didn't already it's done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► I thought they I thought they abandon it because nobody was interested. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► I know probably has a ridiculous peer I'm going to try to make em like you think you're going to save time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► but it's like well beside ourselves of the main pain now. Right exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► So anyway that's that's why I don't have one yet and I might have one in the future. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► There's a bunch of us I want to do first like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► and this is the problem too it's like do I work on a mac app which will probably be a six month distraction at least. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► Or do I spend that six months making the i OS app even better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► Do I do to you know tackle some big problems like streaming media like chat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► Your support of you know things people ask for chapters where unless there's a so little demand for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► but the people who do demand there are very loud but there's very very little demand for it in reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► and very few pockets even have chapters. So that's that's kind of low on the list but like streaming. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► That's something that I really need to do because that makes that makes some other nice features better and possible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► So for instance let's say you have you're playing something on your phone and I implement hand off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► and you hand it off to America or vice versa. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► Let's say that the app that is receiving the handoff has not yet downloaded that file. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► If I don't have streaming it that sucks because that means that you handed it off and then you have to sit there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► and wait while that entire file download before you can play any of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► That's not very good at the Lansing thing where I try to send it quickly but that's also hacky and not great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► Ideally it would have streaming so that you can click any over crash share link any handoff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► and just start playing the file if you're an Internet connection which if you're receiving head of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► and presenter you probably do so just are playing the file you know just start of a certain time stamp evenly if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► start in the middle that's fantastic if I can do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► That's very hard to do but you know that's that's what I actually want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► And there's so many features that are kind of being held back by streaming that's why streaming is like is a thing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► tackling next I kind of wrote some of it and then got sidetracked with other problems and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► and there were going to be something like that you know next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► when I was nine comes out maybe I was nine adds more things I want to do you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► when I ever going to have time to make an entire Macca this is this is what worries me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► when I look around I see like the kiss of death of mac apps from all these other indie developers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► It doesn't look like a good idea to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► I am intellectually I'm interested in doing it I I am I would like to do it but it doesn't look like I should do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3713">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► Three And I think the problem that you're running into is you have Marco myopia her myopia whatever Anyway the point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► because this is not something that you necessarily feel is missing from your world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► It's never going to happen and that's what that makes sense I mean I don't I don't fault you for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► but I like what the i Pad app have happened if you didn't kind of accidentally make it a few weeks ago like what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► the genesis of the i Pad app remind me there was a bug with using storyboards to launch images that would enable I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► had sizing and i Pad mode on apps that were not actually i Pad apps right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► And do you think you would have still had an i Pad app version if it wasn't for that. Probably not yet. Exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► OK so that's what I'm kind of driving at is the i Pad thing didn't really scratch an itch for you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► And so the only reason it exists today is because well it kind of accidentally farted its way into existence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► and I think the mac app again because it doesn't really scratch an itch for you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► It's always going to be a lower priority. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► That makes sense because if it doesn't really scratch in it you're not going to care as much as you would if it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► I don't think it's so much about what he wants he is trying to address a market he doesn't like is market demand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► Correct me if I'm wrong Margaret is not just like Oh why wouldn't you therefore lie if fifty percent of your users were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► clamoring for a MAC after you'd be considering it much more strongly whether you use it or not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► Yeah so it's complicated so first of all there is certainly the calculus that goes on about like a cable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► How many people if they even want this and use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► and you know is there any money in it is there going to be any meaningful user growth as a result of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► And you compare that versus how much time it takes to implement the i Pad version I don't think is doing much for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► long term because I just don't think like I think pod cast most people who listen to podcasts probably listen on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► phone I'm pretty sure other people discover this information already. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► I don't think this is an outrageous guess the i Pad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3836">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► Was only worth doing because it was relatively easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► and is not going to impose a massive ongoing cost of maintenance with things changing the way I did it was was fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► low effort I did and if you I was a split view so I'm doing a lot of like Apple stock U.I. Stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► It is never going to win me a design award or anything like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► No one is ever going to look at the overcast i Pad app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► and say this is an amazing i Pad app this really shows are for the i Pad can do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► It doesn't it's not that's not why I made it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► and there isn't enough of a market on the i Pad as far as I know to justify doing that for this type of app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► So I did what made sense because basically it was cheap and easy. The MAC a totally different story than the Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► I'm guessing the size of the of the possible audience of people who would play pod cast on a mac with this with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► app is probably about the same size as the i Pad audience but it's way harder to actually get there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► It takes way more effort because I have to rewrite the entire U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► From scratch and maintain it over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► and deal with you know I like it so it's so nice being able to you know listen to core intuition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► and hear dinner jacket mitten Reese talk about like how terrible the mac apps to being sudden weak with some terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► signing bug or something like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► It's so nice to listen to that and know that I don't have to worry about having a maggot store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► and the fact is if I did this I'd be in the back up story I want to use things like like hand often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► and i Cloud sinking and stuff like that like for certain things that make things better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► So it's going to the mac would be a very expensive proposition in time and an ongoing maintenance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► and I am very doubtful that enough of a market there exists to make that worth the loss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► or stand it I don't know it's hard to say because I am I'm no more convinced that I am right and also you are wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3948">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► I know I want America really badly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► but for all I know I'm the only one who a very well could be that I'm steering your directly into financial ruin. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► But man I feel like it would be relatively good differentiators well because something what has America just down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► South America. They definitely do. I don't know I don't know if it's a caste. I'm not down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► Definitely does I think insta cast might think if they asked us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► and underscore released a pod Wrangler Macapp I thought in a better capacity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► and it was very much what you're describing visually I mean it was super simple very stark nothing to nothing too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► exciting but it was functional and I got the job done and I miss having that quite a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► and I'm not saying I'm the only one but I may be the only one at the same time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► Now Marco How do you listen to podcasts as you're listening to fish as you work. Yeah I listen to music as I work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4015">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► It's often fish. You're you're when you're in from the computer my point is you're not listening to podcasts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► I I almost never listen to podcasts on my mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► or any mac which is one of the reasons why I have not been motivated to either make this or make the web better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► Right that's exactly my point earlier. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► Yeah exactly right I mean that is that if the biggest reason honestly it isn't it isn't about market demand the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► There are features I would like to enable that would be cool like you know like I mentioned some of the cool hand off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► stuff. I would love to do stuff like that in a mac app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► But ultimately I would very rarely use my own mac app as far as like as far as I can predict because I don't listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► about as well I work because I can't I can't constrain both you know and I don't I don't like about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► Now let me ask you honestly do you have any interest in people tweeting at you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► or anything like that if they are interested in the MAC Apple or is that not going to change your mind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4074">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► I mean people have tweeted me about tweeted me about that before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► Whenever I bring up a topic whenever someone else does I always get people saying well I buy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► and that that is nice to hear. That does help but it doesn't really indicate to me how much of a market there is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► It just says like the market is probably greater than zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► but that doesn't really mean like hearing hearing from a handful of people on Twitter does not really tell me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► I mean you know this will probably bring in you know fifty grand a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► or something like It doesn't he doesn't know tell me something I need to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► or like this would this might bring in twenty thousand new users a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► or if it doesn't it doesn't tell me any of that information is going to charge ten bucks for it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► Nine and nine Well that's the other thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► So maybe I could you know make more money with it it would be because it's bigger on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► and you know it is in square inches the more money you can charge that seems to be the logic in some people's heads. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► However if I'm going to charge good money for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► and I probably wouldn't I probably wouldn't make it if I wasn't in a charge. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► or ten bucks for the unlock for the things like smart screen stuff want to charge good money for Apple I want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► really good. I don't want to charge money for a terrible app. And so like it like I'm not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► Again this is going back to the have I think I'm not going to make a terrible mac app that has almost no features with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► a five dollar an hour purchase to unlock it almost no features like that's that's not a very that's not I want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► that I would feel bad doing that but I'm also not going to make one that I don't feel good charging for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► and to release it for free and have that be have at it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► So if I'm going to do I want I want to do at least a reasonable job. I don't it doesn't have to be like amazing again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► It could be the same approach as the i Pad where it's like I'm going for pure utility value doesn't need to be fancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► with you I will never win an Apple design award or anything like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► Most people would never even notice or care that there would never get any recognition whatsoever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► But I would at least want it to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4196">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► Functional and to have you know the basic features of the i Phone app only has three little the navigation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► I mean it's not like it's not like it's a very complicated U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► So I don't I mean I can do a basic little three pane kind of thing I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► It makes sense I just don't want it to make sense I want you to say you know what. That's a brilliant idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► No I mean I would honestly I would like to do it because I'm curious about massive Elm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► and this is one of the reasons why every time there's a new ten release I hope for some kind of bring over of something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► from you I kid into into Africa it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► or some kind of like replacement to abc that is more like you like it because there are so many like pretty fundamental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► differences between the two between the way they work that you know and I don't know how hard it's going to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► I've never tried really but I know it's going to be really irritating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► and it's going to slow me down a lot as I learn all these flaws and limitations of apt get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4253">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► and all these little weird behavioral details and differences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4257">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► and I think it would you know not only it would enable some of my laziness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► but I think it would serve Apple well to reduce that barrier between the two to make to make development for the Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► and I'm not saying bring over all of you like it does all the work it doesn't make sense on the Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► And there's a lot of things that the macros don't mix and you like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► So I'm not saying we have to be unified but to to at least be closer together to be more similar than they are now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► Because right now like like the prospect of developing a mac app for i OS developer has all this expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► and all those risk I was just talking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► And if Apple can do anything to reduce that barrier to reduce the expense to make it less overall additional time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► maintain a mac app then there will be more mac apps and people will be happier with their Macs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► and Apple will make more money on the mac apps store and all these benefits. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► So I really hope they're going to direction sometime soon so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4317">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► Maybe I should start a mac apps of they can then make everything easier a year later. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► You know flea thanks was worth responses this week. Overcast for Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► They sort of respond to the street studio neat hover and back ways and we will see you next week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► Now the show is over they didn't even mean to be in this it was accidental accidental down because it was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► and you are sitting down and said to that list and I had extremely random no. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4359">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► You know what I think a little sliver of me kind of wants an overcast Macca. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► I know that's more than just a little sliver. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► I kind of I'm intrigued by the goal for the oh the car the Volkswagen Golf goal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► I thought it'd go off to found another hover golf golf. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► Yeah I think we did find another hover to say in the south of here in winter we say golf. Fine. So some of the Gulf. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► Are you know a Southern name or maybe you're becoming European because Americans don't like hot hatches. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► Oh I hate hatchbacks I didn't go far. I don't know I don't know that's the problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4435">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► I mean intervention quickly you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► and I like aspects I don't like hatchbacks either even though on paper they make a ton of sense because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► there's plenty of room well plenty issue of room scar looks like it has rebel bands wrapped around its wheels. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► Like the tires are so low profile if I heard it hurting my butt just looking at the picture. That's marvelous. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► Maybe that's a concept you definitely could not drive that in the state of New York. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► But our roads are not back and I kind of want one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► and I really like that blue actually the thing that they do all the pressure that's in the problem that you have with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► this I think is that while it would be small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► and fun it would most likely be a giant step down in so many interior amenities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► and interior walls things that are not so sure I think you might have ruined yourself with your current car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► and it's going to be hard to step down to this man looks like the inside of a hatchback a lot it was shiny stuff it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4496">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► little shiny or I will I will give you that but it doesn't look that dissimilar from what I've got now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► What's the deal with flat bottom steering wheels. That's so like you think your legs scrunched up more I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► and there are others correct someone correct me is that five times their wheels have their origin in race cars where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► they cram the driver into some little tiny thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► and there's not room for a full steering wheel so they had a flat bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► and that wormed its way up into cars where there's plenty of room just because of bottom steering wheel like a race car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► but the only fear I can come up with because far as I can tell functionally speaking I don't see what advantage the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► flat bottom would give you because you can already tell what orientation the wheel is because the spokes you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► if you're if you're looking in the lumps like so many other things that you can tell like you don't need a flat side to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► say I can tell what angle I can always tell like they're not it's not a smooth symmetrical wheel so I don't understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► the flat bottom so I think a kind of wall and not not enough that I would get. Three thirty five. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4554">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► But there's something appealing now that I'm a dad to having a little bit more transparent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► Because three thirty five strong not big using this in a more transparent it's a pretty small car I've got a one tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► child you have plenty of trunk space what do you think you're storing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► Oh no I don't I don't know man but when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► when I put the stroller in my trunk I'm losing well without like some seriously creative Marcos Markel level packing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► losing a significant amount of trunk just with the damn stroller in the really got the stroller we got was because Sims [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► strictly because it folded up as small as it does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► Well if you just wait like a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► and then one can go in a like like an umbrella type stroller which is just so much smaller that they fall up so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► smaller and then you know they're then they're almost like they're also size like a skinny golf bag. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► Right like you were just you can then put a long ways either direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► and well your car before we can put it parallel to the car definitely perpendicular to the car and yes that's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► but if you're talking about trunk space this is not going to help you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► Hatchbacks you know yes they have they have wider trunk openings and more vertical space. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► and if you want to fill the seats down you can get you can replace most of the interior with effectively trunk space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► but if you have a car seat there like you're awful in the seat down or at least both of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► I would almost guarantee that your current car your three series has overall roughly the same amount of space is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► or slightly more for cargo area and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► and what you're really really I mean if you look at it like larger trunk space you're looking at either a hatchback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► Version of a three serious sized car or you're looking at a larger car like a five series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► or an accord of some might that like that's I don't think like if you're if you were trying to base this is not the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► to get it I don't even know what I need trunk space wise I just feel like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► It will probably become an issue sooner rather than later. Only if you let it. Fair point the other thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4674">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► I was curious to hear your two cents on the both of you is Aaron has no desire for a new car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► She has a two thousand seven seven Mazda six which is and think as nicely appointed as it came at the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► If memory serves and she loves that car and I would probably get murdered if I ever tried to take away from her. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► But if we were to get her something different what would we get her. The obvious answer to me is X. Five dollars used X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► Five the bonus answer which is a little more unique but probably a terrible idea is an S.R.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► Eight Grand Cherokee which is crazy fast and crazy fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► but it would she would be stopping at a gas station every ten miles. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► What's happening to you that you're considering quote unquote high performance S.U.V.s. Why not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► What's going on what do you mean my not that's if they get it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► That's you know maybe census like it's like getting an offer of a Lamborghini an S.U.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4735">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► But I mean like you know if you have doesn't mean it's the wrong combination of things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► If you're going to get some sort of big tall four wheel drive S.U.V.s type thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► Don't get it with like a low profile tires in a super fast that like it's you're mixing things that don't work together. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► but that's what makes it so magical No no that was makes it so ridiculous I am beginning with my example that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► making S.U.V.s I can't think I can't it's as if you had a Porsche S.U.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► But they make one of those if you had a Ferrari if you yeah I think that I think they've got one in the works there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► no more example I can use that are like I don't maybe like a lotus that probably got my guess he vetoed it there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► going to go but I would like it's not it's not a good mix of things if you're going to get something that's big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► and tall and offer to get something that's big and on a variety. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► Don't try to make it into a performance car because of the make any sense. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► Well also S.U.V.s have a similar problem is what I was saying a minute ago about what about cargo space being you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4793">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► Like a lot of people get these compact S.U.V.s that are based on like you know like the Civic sized platform in B.M.W. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► Land that we definitely X one which is based on the actual one series and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► and probably even the X three where it's based on a compact car definitely the Lexus R X is one of these it's I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► it's a best selling luxury one by by a long shot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► So the problem is again they have a nice trunk size opening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► and if you're going to lose all the seats temporarily you can carry large things in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► or both of the seats up you're not getting that much more space sometimes you're getting less space compared to just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► larger sedan or especially if you if you want to go again or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► or like crossover style hatchback you can often get more space than you can an S.U.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► Or at least comparable space but I'd actually have to get an S.U.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► and Deal with the you know a very different and generally worse handling the large size the worse gas mileage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► So if If what you're looking for is hauling around large pieces of furniture Occasionally yeah you know that that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4857">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► but even then like if you're going to be for cargo space reasons don't get a compact one because they're usually not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► any more space than a reasonable sized car you're going to have to go X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► Five sides are going to have to go like you know full size sedan base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► or small truck base to get massive cargo space internationally. I pasted your answer the cherry because what the Tesla. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► That's an affordable when you're looking at X. Five suddenly this is unavoidable. Well no I wouldn't buy it in X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► Five knew I couldn't afford it new it would have to be a few years old by any other way along here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► but this will have plunged this solves your problem because it is an S.U.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► Like it's going to have a pretty good performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► and tons of Congress really says no engine we're talking about a Tesla Model X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► Whether if you're going Tesla you can just do the Model S. Because the Model S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► Has tons of it's a very large sedan and it doesn't have. The engine in the front so it so it has that the Model S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4916">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► Has more space than my car by it by a pretty big margin because it's just it's like I think like four inches long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► and it's a huge it's a huge sedan like it is basically is bigger the sedan can get without being completely outrageous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► in this day and age. So so I would say if you're going to go Tesla just get the Model S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► I just I can't believe I thought I was going to ask if there are suicide doors because it looks like the door handles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► in the back or go running out. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► Our body up against the door handles in the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► and then I realized oh they're actually not going John according to this Web site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► or Falcon where are they faster faster than the door indoors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► I don't even is that the idea here and I didn't realize out of doors now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► and I take back the recommendation right now I got to read the sea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► Well Falcon wings calling them doors to be an understatement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► Well earning serious style points their functional first Falcon wings open up an out of the way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4974">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► Even even the narrowest of parking spots you easily step not climb into a model X. That's really stupid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► I also don't think this is a particularly good looking car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► Not quite catfish I think that the testers are getting progressively less good looking like the Model S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► I like it now the My horse is a step up from the roadster the Roadster is a Lotus. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► I know but it was ugly not model as I think was as it was pretty good in person and in person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► It does look largely like you it is not look like a small car because it isn't one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► But besides how large it is it looks pretty good to go back a step. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:38 ◼ ► The right answer to my question which is purely hypothetical of what do you get as a family. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5018">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► Bombing around car it is a minivan without question that is right for one kid though I feel like that's not made not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► time for a minivan I mean it like I'm just saying like hypothetically for one kid the largest are allowed to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► Super PAC And I think like especially you have to decide. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5035">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► We want to car do you want to truck like or do you want to write that first decision. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► You don't often totally different directions if you decide I want something with a car like it then maybe you can look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► at a way against failing a car if you want something that says you feel like that's a whole different category of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► things that I feel like that that should rule out any anything with low profile tires anything you're with performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► aspirations because you should be going off in a different direction. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► Right so the thing is so I think the right answer is a minivan for like one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► If and when we ever have another kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► and then all you have then the two kids want to bring their friends along to wherever we're going so there's nothing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► required you should go and test drive a minivan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► and that will dissuade you from a visit there some terrible to drive by the way I should also point out that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► caught the context of what you're saying is what you replace your wife's car with not your car exec I think Arab would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► but I'm just saying at some point you may end up having to you may have to drive the minivan a minivan driving is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► just my good No See here's the thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5097">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► Aaron I've spoke about this in very big hypotheticals and she has said she would probably prefer to have an S.U.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► But would absolutely entertain the idea of a minivan but would absolutely vehemently refuse to have a wagon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► That's weird though you know what I guess is like driving a car you should really really look at the three G.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► It's if I wanted a Subaru Outback ultra super PAC but it's better but it's a Subaru Outback it really isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► and if you see a Subaru Outback it's that's not like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► and think it was an ugly three series really an outback is definitely a wagon like an app that is unquestionably a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► wagon a three D. T. Does not really look like a wagon person because it's a pretty different shape. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► Plus I'm telling you the Giant back seat is amazing for car seats. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► It is so and because it has so much back because it's the Chinese platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► So has the long wheelbase platform it is so amazing how much rear seat room there is in that car. And for car seats. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5152">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► Yeah I mean this is all entirely hypothetical I just want to be an interesting discussion to have that probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► everyone will tell us that they hate but all screw it it's the after show we can do whatever we want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► But really I think the answer is is that you replace your wife who's taking care of your child full time you replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► Oh that's all right let's look at this question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► and that without question you are absolutely correct I was just curious you know what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► What would you guys do in this hypothetical where it's probably going to end up being a S.U.V. or A minivan. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► and I think like it's the great the greatest the greatest compromise you know you get a whole bunch of actual space be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► still get to drive a car like a real life car like it or not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► There's nothing about it that's not a car like it handles that way the way to usually similar like it's it's far fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► compromises what I would have done if this was like a year or two ago when this was all happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► and I needed to have a family car. Absolutely would have rocked the C.T.S. V. Wagon which is hideous. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► It is like every other city as of yet pretty much it is unbelievably unbelievably hideous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► but god to just smoke anything to anything I run into except maybe Markos car maybe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► Would be amazing that I mean you can look at it like to answer you know what we do in the scenario you can I have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► actions in area when I did do something and I got a three D. T.V. or Furtive defense treaty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► I would you know if among the forgiving your priority is given Aaron's priority is that I'm mostly just guessing based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► on her or her liking of the muster six. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► I would say first of all it's worth looking into the current amount the sexes will make them I don't even know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► Yeah and actually they had a few several ugly years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► Right right after errands but they've gotten very pretty again so I will you know look at that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► I would I would argue that. You know so how long is there likely to have this car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5277">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► Are we talking like a decade five years less. What are we talking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► Oh you mean like a hypothetical new one you mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► Yeah well I mean her car we bought in two thousand and seven and it's twenty fourteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► and she'd probably kill me before she gave up that car. OK So we're talking like you know pretty long term. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► So the figure like you know you have to add yourself in are you going to have in this interval that you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► have this car not forever but just in the interval that she's going to be likely to own this car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► How many kids are you likely to have total and how old will they be fair point. And so yes you have to look at that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► Right so in the next let's say let's say five to ten years in the next seven years whatever it is how many kids like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► What is your likely need going to be in this time span. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► That should that right there because one kid you're fine with anything. One kid you're fine with a three series. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► It is extremely likely that you'll be very fine with any full size sedan you know accord size five serious size model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5334">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► S. Would certainly do it it's kind of overkill that you can do it. You know a full sized M. Would serve you very well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► Erin currently drives a full sized sedan and so you know chances are she probably likes full size of the hand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► So I would start with other full size sedan. If you want to go upscale consider things like the Lexus. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► Yes which is not our style at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► But overall a very nice car and it's not that ridiculous I don't think this mom drove them for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► and I spent a lot of time in them various family trips with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► and it's they hold a ton they're huge cars are based on the Avalon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► and their huge car that they have their you know their luxurious inside and they're just not sporty at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► That's the problem. But overall they're they're pretty good. You know things like the Accord. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► I mean look John I mean you have a family with two kids you've never had an S.U.V. You're right you have an accord. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5393">TS</a>]
01:30:01 ◼ ► Look what I would actually buy for myself if I was buying like a bigger car with more space if I feel like anyone as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5401">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► but I would look at Vava way because back in the day I still have it in my head that Volvo is still the most safety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► focused company now they've changed under seven times or whatever who knows that's still true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► but I have good memories of all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► and they make I think they make a four wheel drive wagon that is actually a wagon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► I would look at them maybe I would just decide that they are way too expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► and that they don't drive as well as a car that I say my money could never bring myself to pull a trigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► but I would look at that because I see lots of people around the neighborhood driving around involved a wagon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► and I like the idea of wagons they have something this car like or whatever and it would not be a nice car inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► and it would not handle nicely and I drive not see but I would have a feeling that it was safe whether that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► or not. So that's what I would look at. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► Vocals used to be very into offering five speeds back in the day even in like wagons Is that still true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5453">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► No I had that's but that's what I learned that's what I learned stick on I doubt it's still tramp's or not anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► but yeah I think Volvo has changed a lot from the valve that I knew in my youth but that's what I would look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► and I think if I decided the way it was was something that I wanted I would wander over to the out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► but in reality I don't have the money for either one of these cars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► So glad I have a hand record and as I continue to behold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► and again the key here is that if in this hypothetical thought exercise it would almost certainly be like a two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► or three year old used car because we don't have the money to spend on one of these ridiculous monstrosities unlike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► used cars like I mean realistically speaking if I ever really need more him I would end up with on dialysis just what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► would end up with like I would not like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► but that's what I get because that's tons of them around here that is the minivan that I can most stomach I have driven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► in one I do not like but if you know if you got you got to do what you got and you can also. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5512">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► So you know the world of full size sedan and and you know medium sized S.U.V.s like the X five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► and stuff if you're looking at the luxury brands. You know you do the same with your car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► Get one it's you go to use when you want to three years old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► or something like right get a you know a three year old five series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► or a six I think would be a pretty solid car you know it's a bit of money for that but it's really cheaper than Tesla. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► I mean I would I would start with full sized sedans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:29 ◼ ► and evaluate your needs based on you know how many kids you think you're going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5549">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► and how old are going to be during this time span. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► Because the reality is a full size sedan can hold enough for two kids it's like you can't you can't be the school bus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► that brings all of the kids on a field trip. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► But by the time that is likely to happen that might be like eight years from now though if you're going to be older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► but that's actually a thing that happens right like so that might be the end of this car's lifespan. Right right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► Every time is that a kind of I was just thinking about Volkswagen Rabbit that my parents took the three of us being in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► That's insane three good bugs like in rabbit skis the equipment boots you know rentals like bring everything with us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► when we can and then that's a thing like growing up like my family always had curlers and cameras [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► and that was it of me and there were two kids and the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► and we we made it work like people you'll make it work in a matter what size car you have people make it work all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► People in Europe think we're all big fat slobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► and we're crazy for buying these giant things is because we are there they are right. Exactly they are right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► But like you know families in Europe deal with much smaller cars and they just make it work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► That's what people do whatever size car you have you're going to make it work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► And and that's you know it might be more or less convenient certain times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► but also like you know don't don't choose your vehicle for this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5630">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► Imagine scenario of something that you might want to do once or twice while you have it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5635">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► Well I think this is why so many people buy giant as she is who will never really need a lot of that you know space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► or capability or offered us or whatever. Well what if I need to move furniture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► OK well how many times in the last three years if you move furniture that needed an S.U.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► Like you know things like that rent the rent a van from you all. Yeah I don't know that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► Org or pay the seventy bucks you know delivered to get like you know how many times you need to do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► So that's like you know look at look at your priorities like that you know just think about what you would actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► and just get something that fits that because most of the time you're not going to carting around your kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► and five of their friends in the next six years like that's very unlikely to happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► and on the list of things that I just do not understand along with people who don't carry cash is people who buy pickup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► and use the pickup bed to haul like pick up the things twice a year just like you're saying they do it there are times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5697">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► of the year they have covers on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► and I think a lot of the times of the bad you'll scratch it I don't have a bad line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► or I don't have a lot of parents the bed liner. That's all they have four door pickup truck. There's a serious problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► There's massive sections of this country where like a truck is just what you get like that's just called that everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► has drugs are full of the Ford F one fifty a best selling car in America for many many years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:26 ◼ ► and we were growing up I think it has been displaced by the Camry and the court now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5726">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► but it's still always always in the top few. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:32 ◼ ► You know it depends whether you include fleet vehicles or not also read about the series like the old S.U.V.s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5732">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► and used to be like oh you're never going to take that off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► But no one says that anymore because everyone realizes these are not made for off road like with the exception of maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► a couple of Range Rover stuff right so find there's cars then it's like what what is it that you're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:51 ◼ ► and so many S.U.V.s have just squeezed in the edges so much that they have so little room for luggage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5751">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► As of seats and the middle seat is not more comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:02 ◼ ► and so it's like what you're getting is a really tall bad handling gas guzzling car that I want because I have need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5762">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► be a pilot that is the big selling point you know and I want to be up high. There is some image stuff like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► Same thing with some of the pickup truck like some part of your image you know you buy a car like Cyc fashion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► I'm the kind of person who drives a whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:22 ◼ ► Right and some people feel like I'm the kind of person who drives a Lexus S.U.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5782">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► Because you know I'm a suburban dad and I want to show that I'm a family man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:30 ◼ ► or whatever it is that your whatever it is that you're as John Roddick would say repping with your vehicle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5790">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► That's part of the message right. And used to be there was like an off road stuff that went away so quickly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► So now I feel like a four year for the thing that you are presenting to yourself you are trading a lot with the S.U.V.s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:50 ◼ ► because you're no longer getting more high you know luggage space. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5810">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► You're never getting anything really off road wise a lot of them are just front wheel drive not even pro-drug the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5814">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► way Miles or with a four wheel drive ones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► So it's like well you know it's a big sacrifice in terms of cost and mileage and you know handling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► and the possibility of tipping over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► or whatever other things you might be giving up for for this image that you're putting in the end. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTsfkKQ/5830">TS</a>]