00:00:00 ◼ ► I'm drinking a little hot chocolate right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/0">TS</a>]
00:00:01 ◼ ► and now I've gone from freezing cold to overhearing what is your trouble of choice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► I will answer that question you don't want me to answer that question. If I had to choose just one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/7">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► This is me dodging by the way it would be the mud house in Charlottesville which is a little coffee house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/14">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► and Charles over JR But they have winter there. OK I'm right and I had to really bottle that one up for second. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/18">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► Please take note of who is doing this to you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/26">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► But this particular hard charging which I do find to be quite delicious is a cheery cake up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/31">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► and shoot for the like me I don't member who makes us hot chocolate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/36">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► Well on one hand when you said I was not going to like the answer. I never thought it would be that bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/41">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► Hell I would never do that either. What did you think it was like the Swiss Miss instant stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/46">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► Yeah yeah which is probably better. That used to be my hot chocolate of choice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/51">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► If you think about like what hot chocolate requires really I mean yeah you can do it the good way with milk in a pot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/55">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► and easily heat up and down that much about how much work it really isn't that much work just to clean the pot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/59">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► but if you think about like what most hot chocolate it really is just like you know the packet where you add water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/64">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► and make certain that it occurred machinist problem probably does just as good of a job at that as the gum in a pack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/70">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► into a mug and stirring it like it's not probably is not that much worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/76">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► Might even be slightly better in some ways so that I think is a is an official Marco approved usage of a current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/80">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► machine is if you're not going to ever actually make coffee in it which I'm kind of curious why you even own one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/88">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► these machines because you hate coffee is it for Aaron. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/92">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► No actually the funny thing about it is this machine was given to me by Aaron as a Christmas gift like two years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/94">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► because I freakin love the hot chocolate to come out of it when it's time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/101">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► Now inevitably what ended up happening is Aaron uses it constantly so it was like a bowling ball gift you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/104">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► mean like the stereotypical bowling ball gift with a bowling ball say Aaron on it yeah right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/110">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► But no I asked for it I was like No I really honestly want to Keurig and then. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/116">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► and inevitably I use it like three months out of the year you know the only time it's winter down in Virginia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/121">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► and she uses it the entire year. All right you are just in fall. Let's do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/127">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► We got a really good e-mail from an anonymous former Apple employee and John you want to talk about this for us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/132">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► Sure this is about I work which we've been kind of half heartedly complaining about for the past two shows speculating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/140">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► about a commitment to the office suite and what what effect it's mediocrity might or might not have on the platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/149">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► and here is a supposedly poured from anonymous employee from what's going on with our work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/157">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► And here she says i work i Pad basically needs to be a rewrite for various reasons for compatibility on the mac though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/164">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► this basically meant we need to port I work for the i Pad to the mac which meant work reimplementing a ten year old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/171">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► office suite. So that's what we were talking about before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/176">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► Marco mentions about the strategy tax of the idea that I work has to be on the i Pad and on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/179">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► and that's the strategy and the taxes we have a perfectly good mac version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/184">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► but tough luck we have to basically take the I O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/189">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► Us one and ported to the MAC even if it means losing features even mean spending all the time on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/191">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► and so here is an arm is confirmation of that and then the other I guess could be considered a tax as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/196">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► The strategy is all fun really strategized a cost of being a first party piece of software is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/204">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► when Apple comes out with new features in its O.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/211">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► Whether it's like auto save from lyin or a spotlight in tiger or a quick look in Leopard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/213">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► or continuity in your family guy. Keep these names straight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/219">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► It's the responsibility of Apple's first party apps to implement those features. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/223">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► So in the same way I mean third party developers feel harried by the stuff as both a goal is a new version the O.S.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/228">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► Gossip world for stuff but Apple even more pressure internally. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/233">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► Say I work means to implement all these great new features. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/237">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► So when there would rather be you know working on features that are important to the applications like well we can't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/240">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► If we're going to do auto safe we have to have it on our apps good looks better we say hey developers ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/246">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► and if you do autosave but oh by the way I work on do or say where you can implement quick look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/250">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► but our applications don't employ a quick look. So this person concludes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/254">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► Yes Can Devlin feel from the outside that our work is understaffed and not a priority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/259">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► but working is actually pretty large for a teen and Apple in some ways it's the fact that it is a priority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/262">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► and the consequent and the consequent strategy taxes that push the team this way and that the results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/267">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► and less obvious future progress for our work year to year so there you go one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/272">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► One report purportedly from the inside about what the deal is with I work next on there makes sense. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/276">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► It's still a bummer and it's hard you know if I wasn't a developer right I think I'd find it very hard to swallow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/283">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► Yeah I mean if it's more or less what we thought like you could see from the outside the whole unification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/292">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► and how that's going to be a cost right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/298">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► and the pressured implement the new technologies like I said people third party available from the outside as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/300">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► We just like to think that and this is kind of a silly thing to think but it's difficult to avoid that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/306">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► Apple's got so much money surely they can get enough resources to do a good enough job on this office suite right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/312">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► And money doesn't turn into developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/321">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► and that's to gets back to the you know the second level matter problem of how does Apple hire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/324">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► and retain going employees and do good employees want to stay at a company where what they do is dictated so heavily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/328">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► and constrained so heavily with a rather work of someplace like Google where a lot of try twenty different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/336">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► but we can they go you know you're the mighty Apple you should be able to do this you have all this time knowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/343">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► resources all this fame and all this prestige [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/348">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► and back in the day all these potentially valuable stock options to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/350">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► and yet somehow you can manage to release a release and maintain it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/355">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► And insert your favorite application that you think Apple is neglecting here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/360">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► So but it's a lot more difficult then than it seems from the outside. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/363">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► That's not expects using it it's just like you said it's kind of a bummer all around them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/368">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► All right so we also I don't know if it was weird me somebody got a handful of tweets from Jonathan Solon sure who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/373">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► Simon West on Twitter regarding microsoft dot net I've not had the time to look into any of this since we spoke about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/381">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► it last week about the open sourcing of more bits of dot net but Jonathan said you can take airspeed on at source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/388">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► and dump it on a west and it includes the new dot net stuff includes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/395">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► and I guess platform agnostic version of the server runtime you literally run I.I.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/399">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► On O S ten or Linux on Russell in Kampala. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/405">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► Yeah well it's weird but the new Ruslan compiler compiles the source at runtime. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/408">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► So if you deploy source to the server and I ask compiles and loads it for you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/413">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► And again this is why a Common Language Runtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/418">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► or what's the swift equivalent still is a right so my kernel that there is no I haven't learned I'm a governance West. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/421">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► Well I thought that it compiled down to some sour whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/428">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► Well now that I know that you can compile anything tell the M. Byte code. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/431">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► That's not really buying you anything well fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/434">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► Well here was I thought I was smart I was wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/436">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► and anyway the new roughly comparable I heard you talk about that deploying a S.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/438">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► Dot net source includes cross-platform Dot Net runtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/443">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► and I asked runtime so you can run it on Linux from thumb sticks so you could actually run Internet Information Server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/446">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► if you so desired which is what I see is which is kind of the Microsoft equivalent of Apache if you'll permit me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/452">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► make a terrible analogy. You could actually run that on a stand which is either new easy mail Casey please email me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/459">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► I guess I don't know why you'd want to necessarily but you could do it would be in the chat room says Microsoft. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/466">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► Dot net I guess is make sense because I think we should have you know Jeff I went on to something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/473">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► I asked him how they deploy a stack of loan. I've actually been on Windows servers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/477">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► I don't know and what they do is speed and I think of using it for discourse as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/482">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► and it makes sense to have Linux servers in this the most interesting thing about this is something as I'm sure not new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/486">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► but it's new to me the idea that you deploy the source to the server as if it's like a scripting language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/491">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► and doesn't just compile it for you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/497">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► That seems nice to me I don't know why but I don't like the idea of like building a binary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/501">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► and then pushing a binary up doesn't feel web for someone who's spent so many years writing stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/507">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► and then just you know just runs like a jolly good this one's It runs in the browser or whatever your you know P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/512">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► or Perl or Python or whatever runs on the server and there's no compilation step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/518">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► and so it's neither doing the same thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/524">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► But Jim is not you know an amazing taking of me but I had to think it feels feels Webby to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/526">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► and even in Windows there are there are a lot of things that get compiled at runtime the first time they're necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/531">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► and in fact project I did a few years ago we were using what is now Microsoft I nam expired at the time was called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/539">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► C.R.M. and What it ended up happening was we were leveraging the C.R.M. A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/546">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► Which is a bunch of soap of course because it's Microsoft and the way C.R.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/553">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► Works is you can kind of build up entities on the planet on the fly but you can you direct C.R.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/559">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► To build up these entities so you know a customer includes whatever unique fields you want to include [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/564">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► and you basically build a relational database in the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/569">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► Well what ends up happening is they have strongly typed like classes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/573">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► and everything for all of these different entities that you've built. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/576">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► So what it was so in turn what ended up happening was the with still for the particular serum environment we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/580">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► trying to hit was something like forty thousand lines of X.M.L. It was enormous. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/587">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► And what we were running into was every time we started I guess on a depth box on the real box didn't matter one way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/592">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► Every time we started I guess it would pause for literally a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/600">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► and for the life of us we couldn't figure out what was going on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/603">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► Well fast forward a few days of playing with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/607">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► and it turns out what we were doing was since we were using proxy objects that were strongly typed versions of classes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/610">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► that represented the wisdom all those were all getting compiled at runtime as I started. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/619">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► And so that took a really darn long time since it was a forty thousand line with Oregon whatever the case may be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/624">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► And so what we ended up having to do was explicitly precompile all of those proxy classes and include that D.L.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/631">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► In our deployment in order to prevent that heinous runtime and I bring all this up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/640">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► or load time every all the sup because my point is I was doing a compilation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/644">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► or perhaps the Donek framework was doing that compilation based on a request [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/648">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► and I asked a question from the chat room discourse is Ruby not a ASP NET stack or closing speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/652">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► and as well the chairman saying discourse is Ruby in all capitals I'm not sure is that something else like are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/657">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► going to write like an initialism I don't think we have allies that correctly anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/663">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► Igloo is an internet you will actually like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/668">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► and they are sponsoring our show this week which is why I'm telling you this igloo is built like shared calendars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/670">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► Twitter like micro blogs file sharing task management and more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/677">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► They are everything you need to work better together in one very configurable cloud platform good igloo Software dot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/680">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► It is free for up to ten people this is really really really good if you have a company of ten people or fewer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/689">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► It is just free to use forever like you can just use this Internet product for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/694">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► and then after that it's very reasonably priced if you're a larger company. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/698">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► It was responsive design your internet works like a champ on every device i O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/701">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► Android even Blackberry even work on you know i Phone six plus i Phone six i Phone five all the different i Phones I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/706">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► guessing once they can make something for the Apple Watch I bet they will. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/713">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► They're really going to respond to this I'm making it work on every screen. It's really cool about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/716">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► Five powered features for things like document previews annotations things like that where like there's no flash plugin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/722">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► required for any that stuff so you can actually take a document with you with your co-workers right on your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/728">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► and even if you phone has no native device for for this kind of thing you can just do it right there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/734">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► All your design is carried over with the other devices if you customize the logo to customize colors all that all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/738">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► stuff you know all the custom design you want to do that carries across every device as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/743">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► and so Gartner is a company that enterprises pay money to to tell them where to pay money igloo appears for the sixth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/749">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► consecutive year in this Magic Quadrant alongside tech giants like Microsoft I.B.M. Google V.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/756">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► and S A P M report that values the viability of the vendor it was praised for the response of nurse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/762">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► and customer experience and this is what Gartner wrote about them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/768">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► Feedback from it was reference customers was consistently positive they praise the product could deployment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/771">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► configuration and customization flexibility with self-service options for non-technical users control over branding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/776">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► and information organization and ease of use. They also praised the response of this enable as an organization. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/783">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► So if your company chances are if you work for a company of more than ten people you almost certainly know what Gartner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/788">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► is and you probably need to tell your boss here Gartner approve this. Therefore we can use it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/794">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► That's basically how it works. Like John I mean you you work in the enterprise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/800">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► Would your company use an Internet platform that was not recognized by Gartner I don't know what calculus goes into our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/804">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► choice of Internet platform but whatever it is I don't like the result. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/810">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► OK well if your company is like John's and you don't like the result which is pretty likely get them on igloo. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/814">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► or have them look it up give a LUA try free to use for up to ten people very reasonably priced after that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/821">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► Sign up an igloo Software dot com slash A.T.P. Thanks a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/827">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► So John you want to tell me about some of the stuff that the Germans have been doing with bendy i Phones you know we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/833">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► They based on the feedback is from Julian pointing us to a Web site that's written in German [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/840">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► and I didn't even bother doing the Google translator thing of whatever because Julian was nice enough to summarize it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/844">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► for us but this is more unbending i Phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/848">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► and gets into something that I mentioned on a couple of our past episodes about we don't know what the environment of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/852">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► the pocket is like on an i Phone What kind of forces can be applied in the pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/859">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► and apparently this website which is sort of the German equivalent of consumer reports according to Julian. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/863">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► Tried to figure this out by putting pants on people and having them sit down in different services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/871">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► and silence of our so here are the bullet point conclusions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/876">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► He says it seems impossible to bend a phone when located in your front pocket. I think I think you get it done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/881">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► Feel like it's just a question of how tight the pants are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/887">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► but if you don't know my pants that it doesn't is it it seems impossible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/889">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► Sitting down on your phone in the back pocket results in defamation if you sit on the hard edge testing person report [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/893">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► So no unconscious spending possible again I can test this because if I don't I think it's possible to be wearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/901">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► something very large and very tight on a person who is not in good touch with their body [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/910">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► or parts of their body have become numb and not noticed in any way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/915">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► I Phones and the Sony experience to which I assume is a phone where the only phones that bent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/923">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► and the wearing cast so there are some results if you can read German you can figure out whether the summary is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/928">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► accurate or not but I'm glad people are not letting our continuing to delve into the research here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/935">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► and say What is it like in a pocket for a phone and in the fall I don't know if it's fall over not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/941">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► but forever ago we were talking about the new U.S.B. Type C. Connector the basically the U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/946">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► Clone of the Lightning connector worth reversible and smaller. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/951">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► And today the news came out about the Nokia N one tablet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/955">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► Basically Nokia's clone of the i Pad Mini and it includes a clone of the lightning port in the form of the new U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/960">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► Type seek center and I think this is the first one we've seen is that true. I've never seen it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/968">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► I'm sure there was one that shipped on some P.C. Somewhere before that but this is the highest profile one I've seen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/972">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► So here you know you can see on this version article they show this you know this whole thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/980">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► and it looks pretty much like it looks exactly like I think that there are in the picture if we don't have a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/984">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► picture of like the of all the angles of the plug on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/990">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► and I think that you know of any other ones he said we had him only talked about it before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/994">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► but not in this particular shot and I don't think it's fair to call U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/998">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► Type seek after the cloud of lighting here I wish it was a current Lightning connector instead it's a small rounded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► Connector with a little pins on the inside inside the outside Iran or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► but this tablet is totally fair to call this a clone of the i Pad Mini because it's a type of clone where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1012">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► when you see the places where they deviate you think to yourself that deviation is intentional so they can feel it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► they can sleep at night like he does differently than I did like the holes for the speakers in the bottom like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► instead of having to be rectangular region they put a little you know actual curves that look like rounded edges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► and then as jungle respond points out a different a different number of roads that are in two rows of dots in three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► rows and so it's like you know when they're doing that they can look you know what you're doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► You're quoting I've had many and then you're like well we have to do something to be different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► and so they do they differ in the smallest tiniest little details so they can feel like they're not copying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► and this is an extremely shameless hardware design like looking at this like I do you think honestly like you said they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► and I just think that they have just decided that they are morally bankrupt like they just don't even care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► and they say you know what. If we're going to partially clone it let's just go all the way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1076">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► Then go like they did that the holes in the speakers are like we are. We're giving our own twist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► Right but that's not a little thing like everything else it's basically like if you copy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► but you change the names of the variables this is basically the hardware equivalent of that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► This is like you change the name of one global variable and one file I was it I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► and his Because the argument against cloning just take the other side of it because people are going to look at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► and there is there is a kernel of truth underlying the B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► Than about this if you're It's that when you have a tablet this is basically like a rectangular screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► There's only so many ways you can slice that there's no sense putting a bunch of lumps there they don't need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► Rounded edges like you're not going to make the edges point to say oh your edges around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► or don't like there is very little room for interpretation in a utilitarian device like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► That's the argument for like well it's not really a clone but you know it's got to be a screen like this forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► but that is mostly B.S. Because I never minded like this thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► Copies just not just the overall shape of the details but also it's only obvious because it's been done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► It could just as well been obvious and save the surface came out that every tablet has a kickstand right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► and it was there well you know of course is going to look like the servers you know everyone knows tablets are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► kickstands like i Pad didn't exist in the service of the Standard-Bearer tablet it could have been very different it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► only like this is what tablets look like because the i Pad established the form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► and so I give people a pass for keeping the form I get to degrade terrace Grant rounded edges. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► I say that's fine but even that you have to admit like that comes from the existence of the i Pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► but this doesn't just copy the form as so many other tablets before it copies down to the minute it's little details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► except for the parts very consciously deviate to the minute details to try to say see we're not really copying so is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► just I almost have more respect for like the i Phone clones from China that try to clone it exactly right down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► trying to say the word I thought on the back will use it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► If instead of a peer something and he's there know what they're doing they say we're going to copy the i Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► Exactly. Appearance wise unless you look really close. And that I think almost a more noble endeavor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► Nokia is doing here but you know it is like no this is a legitimate prog moon I got a clone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► or not I get sued by Apple I this is ridiculous. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► but this is Foxconn apparently if you look at this verse article now I'm quoting Nokia is partnering with Foxconn to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► build the N one licensing the industrial design Nokia brand in Z. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► Launcher software to the device maker I guess industrial design means it was Nokia's designedly I mean everyone's eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► and things to people at Foxconn to have them built. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► but does that require licensing just to build it like is Apple licensing the design to Foxconn to build an i Pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► and i don't i'm a video of how that works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► There is there are stories like like with the with the first Black Berry I mean the only Black Berry Playbook where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► like they were like so I think it was Foxconn one of the big manufacturing had this basically stock tablet design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► and Blackberry you know just sort of make that stick out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► Secondly on a forensic or software on it and that's the playbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► and then number the first Kindle Fire was almost the exact same thing it was like the same time by the same people with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► They're basically white labeling it like slightly different things on the front and that was the Kindle Fire. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► I'm pretty sure Apple does not do you know Apple definite is not that they have occasionally done it with Intel where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► from what I've heard it people feel free to write in and correct me from what I've heard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► Oftentimes Intel will do a lot of the design work of Apple's motherboards where they called logic boards an Apple ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► and sing Occasionally I forget seven of many this time but you have a I don't think it extends really much past that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► and even that it probably is not that frequent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► Apple has helped design goes a little bit ago in that Pavel's push for wherever those machines that like you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► milling the computer controlled milling machines that take a block of them and carve it into a case or whatever like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1314">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► Apple starting with a MacBook Air Apple has put a lot of money into buying more and more of those machines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► or financing the purchase of those machines for factories that build it stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► and now there are a bunch of factories with the ability to you know the companies that make those machines made money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► because they sold more of them and they can make more than they can bear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► So essentially the manufacturing technology to make something like the products Apple has made is now more available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► than it would have been if Apple hadn't pushed for this type of design so there is sort of a global effect on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► supply chain of Apple selling a lot of devices like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► and putting a lot of money into the tooling to make device like this which means now this manufacturing capacity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► and manufacturing know how and the companies with experience doing this is available to companies other than Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► Partially because Apple does in the same way Apple benefits from all the semiconductor technology that it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► advantage of memories of a guy because other people are just buying a lot of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► but it's all part of an ecosystem so it's not too strange to see successful materials [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► and manufacturing processes that Apple may have pioneered now being popular because it's a good idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► but I just feel like the very least I don't I don't mind you making a rounded rectangle screen I think that's what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► tablet is more or less you know I give you that it can it can be very i Pad like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► but there's something with video I kind of like that was the nexus six tablet which everyone has like a robbery back on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► and stuff like that that I think was better than an i Pad I wish my i Pad out of every back like that because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► it's great you don't you know it makes it a groupie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► and more comfortable every night that that's a way to differentiate yourself from Apple do something different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► and better. Don't try to do exactly the same thing do something Apple probably won't ever do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► Yeah you know they probably should because the exit like there's like there's a market for some of the things I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► things things like the like the back things like you know make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► and have a version of the tablet that's half an inch thick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► and has amazing week long battery life like the things that Apple would probably never do those many of those things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1433">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► and it's perfectly respectful to address those like if you're not going off knocking off all the way like don't don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► knock off ninety five percent of it really knock it off or go your own way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► and make something that that would not be mistaken by many many casualties errors to be this thing so I have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► thoughts on this. But first some real time follow up from the chat room. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► It's apparently the Nexus seven that you were thinking of. Or so I'm told either way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► First question I have is looking at this verge article the hero image at the top is that Monument Valley on there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► Well it is you know maybe that's maybe that's a canary five percent clone of Monument Valley. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► Now it's the real thing I'm pretty sure that we'll never find the real thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► OK I did not realize it is available for Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► and then finally if you look all the way at the bottom you can see a close up of both ends of the reversal U.S.B. Port. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► Obviously the one and looks just like any other U.S.B. Port but the one that looks like a lightning connect connector. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► but what with the pins being on the inside I guess that just looks weird not bad just it looks so funny because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► thinking I think to myself well that's no that's not a Lightning connector it's the U.S.B. Version of this tablet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► On a quick glance you would definitely think it's a lightning connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► and that oh no it's actually not I think it's bigger than a lighting actor like wider me an actor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► Probably but it's so hard to tell here but it is there is very similar and there is a place that I wish the U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► Spec it more closely copulating despite the fact that we went was for ever in telling me that Apple's lighting tables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► are garbage and shred and you know I'm still going through never having destroyed any first party Apple U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► Do anything connector so obviously I'd baby my hardware to a degree that is outside the norm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► and no one is surprised that you know it's actually a little bit funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► and I mean I don't know if this is how these things are supposed to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► but if I had to buy an Android tablet like for to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► Something I would probably buy this because it's least different it looks like it's most likely to have the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► not be horrible like I am I bought an android test a vise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► but I always get like I got it I got a Kindle Fire I got one of the first Nexus seven and its will and a Barnes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► and Noble Look tablet which was a big mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► and they've all been these awful devices was just hideous just terrible to use awful like you know battery issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► and plastic. Everything about them was horrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► I feel like if I'm going to buy an Android tablet maybe maybe they just get the one of the complete ripoff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► and it might be somewhat usable to do what I want to use to not software obviously well Nokia makes nice hardware so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► there's a chance that it would actually would be high quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► but the Chinese knockoffs on things are always like they look the same from a distance but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► when you press one button you're like oh this is not a life. Yeah and this is this has to talk about there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► and so the this is going to be crapped up with their software so it's probably still a good idea to just buy a google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► tablet for Android testing which is unfortunate because I'm not crazy about their hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► and if people the chatter like SEO The first Nexus seven was bad you want to ask any owners of the first Nexus seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► how it's doing these days and how is doing even a year after they bought it anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► In better news things that are not cheap knockoffs that are actually the best in their class. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► We're also sponsored this week by our friends at hover or the cheap knock on version. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► Hava Another is the best way to buy a managed domain names go to hover dot com and use offer code. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► or two to save ten percent on your first order hover is really a fantastic domain registrar Let's say you have a name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► for something you want to register it hovers. Place to do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► They're well designed their respect for their not scam me you get a great value. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► So many things are included in no additional charge their add on services that are paid are very reasonably priced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► and very good things like their email hosting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► and some that they have Google Apps for your main hosting stuff like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► Hover gives you easy to use powerful tools to manage the names after you bought them so they had this awesome gooey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► interface it's very I don't hear Mike saying it's a very Web two point zero They very well could be beautiful designs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► here very special of you the user is not like a billion different check boxes everywhere with trying to like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► trick you into getting out on services or anything else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► It's really just it's nice it works it's highly functional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► and yet also still looks good if you have any trouble they have amazing customer support they have you know the usual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► phone or the usual email option everything they also have phone support you can call them up during business hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► and a human being answers the phone who can talk to you there's a no hold no wait no transfer phone support policy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1734">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► It's really it's incredible if you if you need phone support even if you just kind of want to talk to somebody from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► Canada. If you need phone support call them up. They're fantastic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► They also have value transfer service where if you want to transfer names into have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► or I don't matter how many if you transferring one name your transfer one hundred names if you transfer names to hover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► they will. If you want them to they will log into your old registrar and do the transfers for you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► So they will move everything over properly D.N.A.'s settings e-mail setting stuff like that that's kind of tricky to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► They'll do all that for you if you want him to if you want to yourself you can no big deal you know there's no pressure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► but but if you're going to give him your logon to your old site will do it all for you and it's really really great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► Not to worry about oh did I forget the D N A setting somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► or if you notice he messed it up you're you're down for hours. They're really really great at this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► They have all the new probable domains if you want to get like a dot coffee or a DA plumbing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► or I thought it is da world is now available so you can make anything you want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1795">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► World all these wonderful new domain names to make wonderful new joke sites and maybe an occasional actual real site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► However not come use promo code. Casey needs a drink. All one word. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► We'll put that in the show notes in case you forget. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► Thanks a lot to hover dot com for sponsoring our show I want to get Mack that world in Disney World Now that's smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► and would probably be under squatting trademark problems it doesn't mean this in the world sounds like something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► would be set on a sit com in like nine hundred ninety four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► when someone's trying to write a line about the Internet world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► and that's kind of a a real domain name to get actually redirect to Disney. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► That's the problem of all these new deal these they all sound like terrible jokes that you just need to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► and we will finally arrive I mean all this time with essentially the movie oh US Lego us is a do ridiculous animations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► that show in movies like no real computer works like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► and then Apple made actually works like that is like well there's your movie although it doesn't be very dumb letters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► appear on the screen and now I know that just in the movie domain names is named world backslash. Yeah OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► It drives me nuts any time I watch any television show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► or movie where everything that the computer does creates a noise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► or some sort of sound effect where a window appears on a screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► and makes a noise known as I've got to do that yet because who would smash their computers to bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► and about you know in an office space style you know a printer destruction sequence for a day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► If every window that appeared made a noise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► Well there have been occasional like system plug in the stuff to do that as jokes based on movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► but I would imagine it's the kind of thing kind of like if somebody's in front of you in line the grocery store is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► I'm guessing like if you try to actually use one of those things in an office you would get your butt handed to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► pretty quickly in an office like that's your noise bother even if yours alone in your house that would drive you insane. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► I mean they need you know the whole I think within every painting talking about showing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1915">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► Extant stuff which is much more tasteful but there they do the movies to so that you would know to look at something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► but it's just at this point everyone is so familiar with computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► and phones of all kinds that they can get away with that anymore they got to come up with another way to draw the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► viewer's attention because everybody knows what those look like it's not like Well most people know computers work like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► anyway so we can do whatever we want no you can't everybody knows now even little kids know I'm just disappointed we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► don't have the what was it like a spatial finder whatever from Jurassic Park. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► Oh God don't get Johns are not inspirational finder on there goes to show that there was a real as we have that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► when I was a devout I was a baby you the little flying through three the interface thing. Yeah. In the S.G.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► Lab that the actual software that somebody made it was useless and stupid but it was real. I won it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► It's a Unix system I know this well I have that reference points for sure. Now that's just you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1973">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► You maintain a passing grade in that category. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► You're avoiding failing you're not you're not giving up it's high praise from John Syracuse thanks. I feel great now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► All right let's talk about apparently some big happened today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► Big week you want talk about watched it I actually did my homework I watch the video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► I am stupefied that you have actually done your homework and John did you also do your homework. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► I read a lot of stuff and read a lot of tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► and I watched half of the video in the pause halfway through so you get to see yet that you are maintaining a passing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► grade. Now watch the rest of it later but you know it was it's like a half an hour long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► So and does it go kind of slowly. Yeah it's it's given video pace and the problem is like the B.B.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► Videos you couldn't you couldn't open up in quick time you can speed him up playing like one point four X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► These this video that was only a T.V. Live streaming thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► Like I had a half hour to watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► and I knew it would take me about fifteen minutes of that to figure out how to get a fan page to download all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► little segments into an altogether into a file that I could speed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► and I would therefore lose the gains I would have gotten from speeding it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► but yeah this is something that could use a little bit of a speaking but otherwise I thought was really interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► So we did we ever talk about underscores article like two weeks ago and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► when he was basically predicting what Watch it would allow us to do based on what Apple had said Yeah I know I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► exactly what you're talking about I don't know if we ever spoke of it but he was more right than wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► but not one hundred percent right which is surprising because I thought he had nailed it when I read that article. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► So our friends are under pretty good metrics article will intuit I'm I'm pretty sure we actually didn't get to it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► But anyway what we're going to have full native watch apps legibly to later next year what Apple said originally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► and this is not this is what I say this was announced when the watch was announced so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► and to the most likely outcome is that at next year they will unveil it the native S.T.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► Between now and then you don't get native apps you get what you get a limited access to to the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► and everything seems to run basically controlled through an extension on your on your phone so it's like your i OS app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► has a watch a kid extension that I don't think any of this is in the eight right isn't like it's all public now I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► know main public page that thing that I have quoted in bold in the show is right off of Apple site you don't need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► logged in to get it right exactly so that you're absolutely right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► As an extension it launches on your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► when the user taps something on the watch to to launch you also if your absence has sent push notifications will show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► up on the watch but we knew that already. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► So the phone this is often video it's actually I think you should watch if you're at all interested in the stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► What we have now is more than I thought we would have. But definitely less than a full native S.T.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2155">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► So I thought we would only have what they are calling glances and actionable notifications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► and actual occasions where notifications can have a couple of buttons on them so you could like you know get out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► and tap a play button which yes I know overcast not support yet I'm waiting for streaming to do that anyway so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► figured you can show doesn't the watch as well and have there be a couple of buttons and that might be all you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► and then a glance I figure to be like a read only view of you know some information from your app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► and tapping it would do basically nothing. I thought and we have those kind of things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► I thought that was going to be all we were going to get until next summer. Turns out that we had a little bit more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► And it's pretty interesting it's pretty limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► but it's all the more than I thought we'd get so what we have in watch kit so far with with like the not quite native [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► ASP but like the apps that were on the watch that interact with your phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► The phone is basically running a very very limited storyboard runner you define in your app in your i OS app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► and all you to find this extension and you give it like a static storyboard all the graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► and everything have to be included in that some things can be dynamically generated like like table rows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► Obviously can be that I mostly generated but most things are static like you to find them at compile time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► Basically like plays through this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► and any interaction it's taken it communicates back to your i Phone to the extension running on your i Phone to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► that do any kind of actual computation. It's pretty limited. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► It looks real and I haven't the time to actually write any code with that yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► but it looks pretty limited in things like any kind of dynamic abilities because tables all the stuff was also very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► interesting is the layout system you can specify an X. In a Y. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► Coordinate for an element that you're putting on screen you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2276">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► Basically specify here are the elements I want to be on screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► and by default biggest flow downwards there is stacked and it becomes like a scrolling downward view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► and then you can group things into these groups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► and groups are groups can be arranged like doing sub layouts so you can have a group that itself is arranged with its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► own little stack. Or you can have it arranged horizontally in a stack instead of vertically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► Finally all those table based layout skills that even left weathering from the ninety's will be relevant again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► If not it's been a long time since I've seen any of this but isn't a lot like swing number the original Java U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► To look at there's a lot of you I think the first one I ever seen that did this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► and Cheryl's link for it to see if anyone remembers is Geo So I think G.E.O.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► Was a girl with a similar layout paradigm like I think swing that is why I forget what it's called it's not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► the packing problem but it's a similar type of thing where you just take a bunch of boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► and fill in the empty space of the thing Geos had had a little bit of gravity associated with it as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► but yeah this is not a new a new way to lay out a curious but it's not a great way to go either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► For sophisticated things but very very very tiny screen there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► when I was looking through all the documentation it's like they are removing as many options as possible rather than. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► making you layout your U.I. The same way you would on a phone or on a Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► But yes in a small screen they're saying just take away your ability to specify any of this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► and How simple can we make it and this is pretty darned simple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► Bunch of boxes they plug in you don't get that you get to control that you've got you've got settings for like for her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► color background color margins and spacing again it's like table based layout you know cell padding cell spacing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► It's is it's a very very rudimentary level of control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► and it seems as though like multitasking It seems like is nonexistent for these for these kind of these types of apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► I'm sure in the future will have better multitasking and I'm sure the watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2396">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► The maps can convert multitasking to do things like continue playing audio while you're looking at something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► but from the description it sounds like what's most likely to happen here is that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► when the user interacts with your actual When user launches your apple response unification the extension on your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► launches they control the watch session and then as soon as they said in the view that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► when the user stops interacting with your with your watch cap then your Apatow made it so there's basically no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► multitasking is what it sounds like. And although it's very similar in some ways to the very first i Phone S.T.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► The i Phone to point out the very first S.T.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► For the store has a lot of a lot of similar kinds of restrictions in some ways even more restrictive in that they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► do a lot of things that you couldn't do back then but it's a similar level of permissibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► and complexity where you're building pretty simple things. You have pretty basic control over them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► There's a lot of guardrail set up there's a lot of restrictions set up there's there's a lot of limitations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► and we're not going to see like you know Angry Birds for the watch in this kind of system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► and I think games are going to be pretty much impossible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► I also think we can look at some of the recent notification center after rejection drama. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► I Phone and i and looking at both that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► and some of the some of the hens they're dropping in the watch kit documentation and video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► It seems as though they're going to be more strict about what you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► and can't do in a watch out like i Phone where the frameworks limit you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► You know if you can do something without calling a private you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► So if you can do something really crazy like if if let's say there was no Open G.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► On the i Phone if you can just make a butt load of CA layers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► and do everything you need with that Apple wouldn't reject you for that. You know like where is on the watch and it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2512">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► It's like kind of kind of the new Apple app store stuff with some of these new areas that we're allowed to put apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► It seems like they're going to be a little more restricted like things that you can do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► You actually are not meant to do and we won't let you do them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► and so it would not surprise me to see it like that back when the after first launch on an i Phone before it was open. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► We knew the rules because you know the rules change quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► but you know during those few months where we could build up to we couldn't launch them yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► One of the rules in the after Garland's originally was like we're going to look at your apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► and if they don't if they aren't high quality we might reject them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► and I thought as long as well as a bunch of other developers I thought that they would actually be like pretty pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► strict like your app and have to be like Apple levels of quality to to be approved in the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► and of course that have not been the case at all there's tons of garbage after the app store because that's kind of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► unforced pool standard to keep up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► It kind of seems like they might be trying to do that with the watch with with the things they've said with some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► implications they've made and some of the notification center restrictions we've seen so far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► It wouldn't surprise me if they are a lot more strict about about what you can do in a watch out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► and how good it has to be to be approved. You know I'm curious to see how that goes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► But no matter what I am really surprised by the fact that this kind of paired splits of apps where the phone is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► pretty much all the heavy lifting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► I'm surprised that we're seeing that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► and it's really exciting because that means whenever the Apple Watch does come out next year there should be hopefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► a fairly robust ecosystem of apps available shortly after launch and that's really awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► and the only thing that that you won't be able to do is is run an app where your i Phone isn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2634">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► Near by so the most obvious example of that I can think of is like a Run Keeper run monster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► or something like that where you want to leave your i Phone at home but go for a jog or something along those lines. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► Or maybe your third party pod cast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► Yeah something like that won't be permissible yet or possible yet to your point Marco but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► but pretty much everything else that they've announced will be available is available and that's really exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► and I'm really looking forward to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► So you think about this implementation here with all these restrictions we just described. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► I can't help but think the entire watch is acting kind of like Choose your analogy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► They're kind of like the push notification service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► and I us are kind of like what I had heard I'd never actually confirmed that the older possibly the current Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► Is where it's just one process that does sort of those little bundles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► and that the resources are so constrained what they want to have is a single process running all the time in memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► with its working set with but they can control the C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► Sovan all it does is sort of you know receive and load static packages of simple descriptions of U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► It's basically storyboards or whatever static assets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► And that's all it does and display them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► and relay information over Bluetooth to say the person could grasp on you want to you know transfer this bundle thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► you want to display this they'll have a slayer's thing I'll wire the stuff up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► when someone presses I'll tell you which button they press and like and that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► and that makes me think like why would they launch different processes for that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► Why wouldn't it just be one small process it's always in memory that is responsible for for doing all these hard things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► and these you know watch kid whatever they're going to be called not quite native app type things maybe that's three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► separate applications instead of one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► but the whole idea is constrain your resources in the same with there's only one push notification service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► and I was like that that process will be running it will be a memory. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2756">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► It will do work on behalf of the applications they were generals in every single application this is back before a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► background rather than everything level cation running in the background there be one process there in the background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► it would tell you tell your application when you know basically resource constraints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► and was making me think is what are the resource constraints of this. This phone is a memory C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► Is a battery and it's all those things to do we more than I us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► but what is the what is the key one that would make that type of influence ation assuming it is what they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► possible and whatever it is I have to think like how are they going to new native apps on the same hardware. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► If there I mean that's I guess US rivers and I Why why don't we have native apps now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► and I want answers like that is not ready with a software stack in the same way they were ready. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► Well they didn't plan on an i Phone one point over anyway. They gave that ready for the end about right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► But as the other part of it that like native apps they had to figure out how to let you run native apps of that letting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► people do something that will destroy the watch battery in fifteen minutes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► I don't I don't know how this is all going to work out but this seems so incredibly constrained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► and makes me think the implementation is being so careful with with with everything with memory with C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► With battery that I'm having trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► and visioning what the native app interface is going to look like this is so constrained. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► Yeah I mean part of it I think you're right that the tools are most likely the biggest cause why we don't have it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► front but there's also there's also side effects to that like I think that's the cause. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► There's a couple other fortunate side effect to that being the case that will benefit from one of the biggest is people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► are going to be forming their opinions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► and their evaluations of the watches battery life before there are these full native apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► So you know if you know people you can tell people like oh well you shouldn't run. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2874">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► These things we shouldn't overuse these these types of things because that will that will enable effect better life now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► people will do whatever they want to do and in the bill yell at Apple if the battery is not as good as they want to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► So by restricting what they can do for the first X. Months of the of the thing being out that is its lead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► It's forcing people to do things the way Apple has been to be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► and to keep things kind of reasonable during the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► when everyone's figuring out what kind of battery life is a thing get what what is the news for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► and secondarily having that can train wheels period where you can't do everything you want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► Also gives it it it kind of forces people to think about like do I really want these things on a watch like do I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► need a native app for whatever function I want to do it like I mean for cash I'm probably going to have to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► native app to be able to play when the phones on around like on in the jogging scenario. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► But for a lot of apps a watch kit. I Phone hybrid app might be all they need. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► And so maybe this is this is also having the fortunate side benefit of Apple kind of forcing developers if you if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► want to get in early if you want to be aggressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► and get in to watch kit now you're going to watch development now you have to do it the simple way first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► and then later on we unveil this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► Then you'll be forced to be faced with a question of do I throw that all away and rewrite it with this new system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► And many developers are going to choose no and that benefits apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► and it benefits the watching it benefits users as long as they don't need all those extra functions they would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► Because then there's less for the watch to do with their it gets better battery life you know like all these things so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► I think like Apple needs this time to do both. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► Let people love the watch for its for its battery life hopefully and also to force both customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/2985">TS</a>]
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00:53:06 ◼ ► Yeah on the on the resource constraints and everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3186">TS</a>]
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00:53:32 ◼ ► in the background I like all the things that were slowly added I.O.'s came along with advancements in hardware lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3212">TS</a>]
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00:53:47 ◼ ► but you know like the base with the hardware became more power efficient did more with that power. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► And we definitely got more RAM So if the watch is going to start off really constrained like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3233">TS</a>]
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00:54:22 ◼ ► they're already up ahead of what I was apps for at that time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► Could be you know even more constrained like these these two tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► or one from Craig Hockenberry thing that you can even subclass the watch get glasses that we can interface things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3271">TS</a>]
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00:57:43 ◼ ► I think you're right like a list of us are going to make a new watch next fall which would be repeats. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3463">TS</a>]
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00:58:08 ◼ ► next fall can we suddenly do more like that doesn't make a lot of sense. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3488">TS</a>]
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01:03:45 ◼ ► This person actually had a nice office know I cook everything on our end is active your phone number is activated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► betrayed every possible remedy up to and including taking the sim out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► and putting it back in which led me to tweet which I now regret. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3836">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► Come a similar route tools anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3840">TS</a>]
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01:04:04 ◼ ► or didn't get assembled So bottom line is everybody thinks whatever their experience with phones are with i Phones is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3844">TS</a>]
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01:04:18 ◼ ► Will tell me what the Apple store told them about and I have no idea if this is him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3858">TS</a>]
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01:04:32 ◼ ► screenshots of I'm willing to believe that it's still in there somewhere and I haven't found it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► But anyway it's not obvious. Doesn't matter you could have caught but anyway ignore them then and you delete the tweet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3877">TS</a>]
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01:04:51 ◼ ► and they told me I asked about the SIM removal tool in the present [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► and really knowing it like I think it only comes with unlocked phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► and people I know I've bought on the phone to never had one Oh I bought lock Phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3896">TS</a>]
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01:05:04 ◼ ► Yeah I've bought my phones before about license before I've never gotten a little in any of them here like all you only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► get a similar tool if your phone doesn't come with the same basic like it there's no sim inside the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3912">TS</a>]
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01:05:28 ◼ ► what they're going to use that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3928">TS</a>]
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01:05:33 ◼ ► confirm that they use it for it when they look at a liquid metal and I have no idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► Anyway yeah so they bought a whole company just to replace paper clips as much as they as the best place that you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► possibly make it seamless. It's really true if you have the material Now really quickly for the record I have received. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3944">TS</a>]
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01:05:56 ◼ ► and I noticed that what you're describing earlier so that was my experience but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3956">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► We've had I don't know something like six or seven i Phone stream the two of us over the last few years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► and I think I've only gotten maybe one of them that never really occurred to me until you were talking about it earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► Yeah I think a lot of people telling me they like that they didn't have a little semicircular thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► but that it was kind of buried in with like the quote unquote manual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► or the little paper packets they give you you know and like that it slides down and there is easy to get lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► and I could see that happening I don't see it in mine yet but I haven't torn the thing apart that I really care anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► We did all during the various calls all the rights given to go through all the Grammys most of which I try to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► but I was going to humor them because they were doing things on their end early so they were in response to this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► you know trying to find all I often have things turned back on trying it on on cellular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► and not doing a restore from i Tunes where you put it into recovery mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► when flying by the way this is the same time that the I was eight point one point one release came out so people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► oh that's what the problem is Apple servers are down because of the release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► but Apple servers this is all before even call the checkers our service status page I don't mind exhausted my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4017">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► possibilities before calling for writing to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4022">TS</a>]
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01:07:06 ◼ ► but I'm like well whatever it was nice because I had already downloaded all the software updates so I didn't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► wait for the you know one point nine gig download of virus a one liner whatever was you know before you leave the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► Verizon topic because I assume they did not fix your problem because they never fix any problems because every time so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► when I was a horizon was customer for a few years before the i Phone came out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4043">TS</a>]
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01:07:33 ◼ ► or moving services like changing things I think question every single time they touch the account they messed it up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► some horrible way that would cause me to get like triple billed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► or they would like remove the plan for the first half of the month that would that was theirs that I be billed at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► per minute rate. Like all this crazy stuff they would do everything they did. Screwed something up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► Yeah I was kind of afraid to ask him about that because like when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► when I did the I did this for me Apple online store which I had to explain to several. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4075">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► People are very confused about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► You know Store want to say Store dot com like that's where I went because they thought I was an Apple retail store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► likely should have acted that for you before you left the store like no store and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► when you do that it asks you like are you adding an existing line and I want you to put in the previous number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► and enter my wife's i Phone Line and all her information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► and ask for crazy information about your horizon account username your billing password which is different than your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► Last four digits of your Social Security number the horizon phone thing has you this is like I think I told the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► for the first time I was on a telephone answering tree type thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► and I got too many of them want me to say what I wanted to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► and act froze because I was like What do you mean to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► Could they have possibly have a system that you know with a limited vocabulary can deduce Peter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► and so my brain is just trying to think of like they're like whatever and I think maybe seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► or whatever they were going to try to think Is this to be possible or some playing a joke on me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► but this one I think this is the first one is to me they want to they said Please enter the password for your horizon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4139">TS</a>]
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01:09:23 ◼ ► passwords are now hash of the same bucket because like you know that's not going to have three different letters on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4163">TS</a>]
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01:09:34 ◼ ► time it's like sort of figured out their menu system to like hold on is Iraq even speak a certain phrase to get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► voice thing and then get eventually will ask you to enter your eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► and password which you type out on the number pad like just pick whichever number help the letter you want to capital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► markets don't matter and you know if it's anywhere and his group of letters doesn't matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► Every time I did it the first time it told me the password didn't match I was going to believe the first two is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4195">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► The times that I had mistyped at the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► but always worked on the second try it's like seventh time I was doing it like you know this never works in the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► maybe the first letter is missed because I'm not I don't know what the problem is anyway that their system is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► So I did all that stuff and they basically did everything they could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► and there are like I exhausted to this I exhausted all support possibilities of rising up because they were not doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► but they did everything they could they said this number is active it's active in our system here is what it is here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► all you know like your account is in good standing it's connected to the right account it's like just everything as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► and I was totally willing to believe that because it seemed to me like this the software I'm going through these you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► know white screens the beginning oh i Phone set up connect to Apple servers to do something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► Apple servers and probably connect of rosin servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► but the bottom line is I would totally imagine that I was using Apple software on an Apple device that's going to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► Apple server and it's giving me a response that says something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► and I'm getting the you know server is unavailable even though an apple status pages as a server is available so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4255">TS</a>]
01:11:02 ◼ ► and the present helpfully connected me transfer me directly from horizon to an Apple support person to a knowledgeable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4262">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► Apple support person not just like you know if they have a like a direct line in on like the good you know I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► higher tier support people so I didn't have to go through the lower tier of apples for picking for the higher tier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► and the Apple support person was excellent it was clear they were you know get no voices in the background. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► Very helpful very professional so I was the top theorising person I gotta say it was a nice they were nice they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► transfer me over I explained the situation. They looked at everything on there and they have all got started. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► But explain to me how the system works on their own which I've since forgotten but it's something like gross things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► or like the i Phone connect to an Apple server the Apple server tries to authenticate with Horizon server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► and want to get a response back so it can proceed or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► It seemed to me that basically if I could if I could have a D.M.'s poison the i Phone and spoof the verizon server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► and figured out what the correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► Pasty white screens like that everything was fine I guess first rising concern all I need to do is get past the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► software you know there's probably more to it than that but anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► but the problem was that they would open a ticket for it to get back to me the next day that was the end of that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► Supporting it was like several hours most of it spent on hold or waiting for things I was never that bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► Next day came and you know people gave me the direct number and told the guy told me he was going to be off today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► but you know said You can call this number. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► Anyway someone else called me back and they said they figured out what the problem was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► and it was some problem with I forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► but they it's not provisioning profile just in my head from all the Apple developers as you complaining on Twitter all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► the time like something happened with a profile of a bonus read up on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► and then the bottom line it was something that Apple could fix an apple so they didn't fix it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► and so I tried to i Phone again I got farther [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► and it said your phone number is Bob abroad is that correct I get that's all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► and told me it was my phone number and I had the Next button. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► I still got the error so I had to cough up back again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► and they said you need to do something special which I don't want to describe because probably some terrible security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► flaw that they don't want to reveal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► but anyway there's something special I had to do on the phone to get past that process I did it I got past that process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► my phone was up and I'm happy so it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► but maybe thirty hours thirty six hours after I got the phone plus like maybe three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► or four hours ahold of various people that I actually did activate my phone the next step of course is to get my old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► number ported and I began that process of the horizon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► and I got her number ported to a couple days for it to activate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► but at least I have a working i Phone right now with a phone number that will soon go away as soon as my old number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► gets poured All right so how has your life been changed thus far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► No although I have the fun ceremony today where like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► when I got the phone out of the package I didn't put the leather case on the case that I've had for a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► or whatever I want to get the phone set up first before is that the case on and I like this is this is a good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4435">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► When Because if I have to return the storm because of something horrible was wrong with it which by the way I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► think there was a lot to do or treating I mean once you go to the apples are going to have an Apple retail store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► but my you know nerd spidey sense is telling me there is nothing wrong as far hardware wise like I can look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► Seemed all of the radio seemed to work correctly the sim looked fine like it did not seem like that I need my phone to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► be swapped all the many people tweeted to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► when they had similar problems they had to get their phones hard to get it activated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► I feel like this is all happening on the server side and actually was all happening on the server side. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► But anyway I was putting off putting the case until is working so I finally got the thing working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► and you know you got a springboard of it or then finally I could put the case on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► and now it has become my i Phone case and all and whether his is pretty nice of are does not change my life otherwise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► You said more about the case and you have about the fun seriously. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► Well you know I had an i Phone six vor I know we talked at length about all the sizing things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► But I haven't decided I think lower case does make a nice Like I said I've always had a case on my handheld devices so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4496">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► it was not anything new for me in fact it was new for me to use it without a case for a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► but I think it definitely improves but the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► but this is this is the first time that you're really getting to like move into a phone right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► Well I just you know I just started that's like I did when I was a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► and just you know I did set up this new i Phone I find it a restore from i Tunes to find my i Tunes I hate it so much I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► did a backup of my i Pod Touch right before I knew I was going to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► and I was now going to plug in the i Phone restore from backup and as what do you want to restore from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► and I see like seven backups. Some of them are like i Phone four G. That I know are like old right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► I don't want those but fifty percent of them have dates after them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► and then a three called John's i Pod Touch that don't have data not alike. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► Why do some have dates and some don't have dates that make no sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► but of course me being a clever long time computer user didn't immediately knew the solution to this problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► Can any of you guess to look at the files and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4557">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► There modification dates now because the files are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► and if you know what mobile backups directory looks like there are these big giant hash things you know I want to kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► of surprises you just move into an S.S.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► Also how are you still keeping all these backups you can only have the one device you use I have a terabyte S.S.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► I did amazing housecleaning like I move time that I would like all my video and movies this analogy you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► and like I have plenty of room left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► but not like the mobile backups directory is all like the directories are named Big long hexadecimal the other a legal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► right and right now I know the solution. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► So all I need to do is plug in my Pod Touch change the name of my i Pod touch something that doesn't exist in a list. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► Do another backup then does look like raising a menace but that is not how I would call them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► That's exactly how do you work for a long enough you learn this is the immediate solution to the problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► I don't care where the actual problem is I don't care why some don't have dates just make work now change it to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► you know i Pod Touch This is the one back up and then plug them I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► and they were the one resource I want to start my bother just the moment by the way still did not have a date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► but that was the right one and then what I learned is for the second handheld device in a row. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► I'm screwed on my icons because I went from the the you know the three point five inch i Pod Touch to the four inch an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► extra row of icons and I just went from the four inch the sex and I next row icons again so I spent a while tonight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► Rearranging now accounts trying to figure out how I'm going to fill it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► and basically rearranging everything into beans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► and within the new thumb sweep so I go top row is dead to me now I got to take all the things that he's done up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► because they were important like Safari was upper left stars not upper left anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► So wait so this is this is even more I think revealing than that you that you leave the camera shutter sound on you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► saying you don't leave any empty rows and that you actually hate empty rows so much that you fill them when they occur. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► Why would I leave the room as my back of my US background has always been complete black. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4675">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► There is nothing behind my account. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► but my lock screen is a picture of my dog is it your extended dog it is it is an extended dog by extended dogs I forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► who it was but someone with photoshop skills extent of the background of the dog picture I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► but my home screen is all black why would I leave an empty road specially Enduro at the bottom that's prime thumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► Well well the argument in the past has been both it looks nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► and also can give you like some like forgiving a dead swipe zone if you want to look for between pages more easily that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► you don't need a swipe So when you grab anywhere and swipe it will. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► I've never actually launch an app for swiping conjuring. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► Never not once No you don't you don't need to swipe but it helps it's nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► It may make you feel better but like Have you ever accidentally launch an app I try as on a swipe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► but I was leaving them to the end of the row as the only the only purpose for an empty row is what we discussed in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► past shows if you have a picture like your kids or something you want to see your beautiful background or a sunset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► or whatever you want to see more of the picture as the only I think we can reason for the empty room swipe area does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► not strike me as a legitimate reason. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► I keep an empty row at the bottom as well and I believe it's because markets said something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► or you know let me try that and especially with the new phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► I really think pretty much anything I use on a regular basis is indeed on the first screen with the with the empty row [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► but the empty row has to be on the bottom doesn't it you can't do them here on the top right now which would do well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► you can if you use underscores the black icons are right that should tell you like the fact we had to use black icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► like what were you getting out of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► and the row I gave doesn't even make it like symmetrical if you still have a dock at the bottom right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► It's you know I don't know I just feel like it looks cleaner that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► It makes no logical sense I'll be the first to tell you but I'm not I just I like it better that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► and like I said anything that I use on a regular basis is on that first screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4795">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► Now with the empty road you get a bigger foam but you don't put a row and that's when I know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► but I added a row so I have one more row than I used to run because I don't have an empty one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► Yeah exactly as they were not back filled I had had to promote a bunch of new things to the front page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► and I have a bunch out in the president to use them much so what did you promote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► or you will ensure I put the reader on the front page even though I basically only read that I'm i Pad I put instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:27 ◼ ► i front page I guess I do use that a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4827">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► Yeah have you ever posted a picture of Instagram if you followed me you'd know that I could swear you know what I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:36 ◼ ► not like a grand total of five pictures things through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4836">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► but I look at other people's pictures space going to doing what else on the front page I have all now you have an i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► Phone Now you actually can take a picture of your breakfast every morning and put it out is not going to change. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► Having an i Phone will not change my habit of not posting pictures from my life that is not not what I do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► Usually you can make an artistic statement and just post a blank black picture every day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4857">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► No Are you searching on Instagram. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► No I have I forget woman's name is like every Very I joined so late because I was not you know I didn't have an i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► but how much on Instagram which is like two years ago I think every variation of my name was taken so I am some big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► long crazy thing I'll send it on even if I follow you I fall Margo Tivo thinks I don't know if I should follow you now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► you're going to post something I'd be interested in what baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► or you know maybe pictures instead of like concentration of your food. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► My tolerance for montage of pictures of what people are eating is very low. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► No no no if you look at my Instagram feed profile whatever it's actually very little food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► but an extraordinary amount of cars and I should I should do that or give me a C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► or Maybe I am following them I say I can't kill seems to be like on the bottom little house magnifying glass on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► square hard favorite thing people who know my following I'm going to guess that they hit the people like on the right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4913">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► OK I got it. No wait no that's just me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► It's you know in the oval right followers twenty six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► and following twenty six people who are top twenty six that's actually a button we have a new segment on the show just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► John does U.I. Review of an app. Well they are alphabetical it looks like what is you case us. Yeah I'm following you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► Oh and you are the way may I share your name or is it a secret as they go to see all five Mr John C. Searches. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► Yeah and I was already following you and I do recall the beach pictures now that I'm looking at them again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► Posted ten pictures total lifetime. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► Now is that like a firm cap or you plan posing any more ever or do you want to keep it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► or not I don't think I'm doing Instagram right because all these pictures were not taken with an eye with the bun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4960">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► Couple I'm ready to buy sperm most of them were taken with my cancer prism camera when I was on vacation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:53 ◼ ► but the first one is a scan of a picture in one nine hundred seventy nine so that wasn't taken with an i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4973">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► and i definitely have started cheating and using the Micro Four Thirds camera that that we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► and posting some of those pictures Instagram which I will be the first tell you is indeed cheating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► but I don't really care I don't understand why that's cheating. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► Like are you sharing images from your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► or is are you is it like a video game where you're trying to use your crappy camera that's your I.O.'s device take good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► I'm not interested in the video game only interested in the pictures from people's life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► and that's why I've started cheating and I you know I'm not being repentant about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► but what we're complain about Instagram by the way I'm I the only person in the entire world that reads Instagram like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► I would think this would be a more common thing you know Twitter the Twitter application I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► when I launch it puts me where I last left off and I can scroll retreat retreat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► and then you know hit the home screen and you know I'm back right when I launch it again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► It's right where I left off and it obviously two days I'm going to be missing stuff and go you know within like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5035">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► Fifteen twenty minutes an hour two hours. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► If it picks up where I left off every time I wanted to Gram it's Girls me to the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► and I have to scroll backwards seventy five pictures to find out like Did people think I don't care about the people I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► thought I'm not interested in seeing the pictures. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► What the point of the application I follow you because I want to see the pictures now I had to scroll backwards until I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► find the one picture of like whatever you know a tree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► or something that I liked was the last picture I saw the worst part is because a lot of people tweet the same things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► they put an Instagram so I can see that picture really I must be up to that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► but no because I just want to get it on Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► Basic functionality for Instagram to the billion dollar company they can send me back to where I was the last time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5071">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► went to the application or doesn't want to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► I could not agree more and actually ended up being worth a lot less than a billion as Facebook stock tanked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► Whatever point is they can retain a little bit more state and they are now that that does drive me absolutely nuts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► The not holding your position thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► I've never read a complaint about that either I follow a lot of people who are heavy Instagram users are apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► other people don't use Instagram the way I do know I do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► When you and I are of the same mold cut from the same old one of the phrase is and I agree with you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► They broke the cloth when they made us Casey you know that too. Whatever I know I'm the worst I don't really care. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► We get John in vine. Don't get me started on vine because vine vine the Vine app is like the Instagram app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► A little bit worse in almost every regard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► Remember when vine first came out people would tweet vines and you could tap the vine your L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► Oh that's right we didn't think of it on your on your i Pad and you couldn't watch the vine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► Yep and I feel like a leisurely on the i Pad I think at some time some vines would have to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► and I was like How long does this go on. Months a lot longer than it should have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► Yeah and this was it was what like twenty twelve or something like the i Pad to be out for a while at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► and it was like I guess the market's not important we don't want people in Iowa to be able to watch our vines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► when someone tweets them when I thought it was not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5157">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► Bother making this this thing work in mobile Safari it's a minor browser we're not interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► and you will never forget how you go through moments like moments where I'm really and they emerge with fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► but those moments last like forty five seconds when I think of something clever to vine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► and then I almost have no use for it outside of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► and it seems like a great idea just never really used to it I don't see myself ever posting a vine sometimes you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► see ones that are clever but I just feel like I do and you tube instead. Well it's a very different thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► but like at least You Tube has a client ecosystem where I feel confident that I can watch what you produce instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► it being some sort of game or have to try to get my try to get your thirty second movie to play or three seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► It's the occurrence of the other silly I hate watching it on You Tube because You Tube is such garbage itself like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► experience of what's known as terrible it always covered all the little rectangles an ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► and everything the apps are terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► and like like there I know there's all this great stuff going on in the You Tube ecosystem of this great like so I even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► have like a few things I subscribe to because like things like I aspirational we want to watch youtube frequently so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► But there's you know funny stuff like C G P Grey's this is new video like it's like stuff I want to follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► and I just never go to You Tube to watch it because I just hate I hate everything on the I hate everything about you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► they have the You Tube out my want to play with each of ads as they did then opposite Instapaper where I want to I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► to be using You Tube like I use Instapaper which is probably not a healthy way either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► but it's the way you use it where everything I look at that I'm interested in like I don't have time to read that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► but I will read later and I do it like crazy so much so that my Instapaper queue is gigantic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► and I know I'm never going to get like things go by like I just keep shoving on this cue every once in a while I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► back through it and read the part of their thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► but the key feature of Instapaper with regard to his work flow is they want to launch the app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► The thing at the top of the app is the most recent thing that I added so gives me a fighting chance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► You Tube On the other hand puts things in the watch later thing at the end. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► So when I watch the youtube application go to my watch waiting list I have to scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► and then it says Click here for more load. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► Scroll Click here for more load scroll Click here for more loads and then I get down to the one I added like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► and something in my watch later queue which I think is not unreasonable considering the size of my Instapaper gear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► which Margot knew when he was running the thing and probably doesn't want to know now it's ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► but it really hampers my ability to go I still do it because I still go back down there to get stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5320">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► and then after I watch some I tried to lead them from the watch later queue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► and you do that tells me it was an error trying to delete them and I try to remind them out on the web interface later. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► Nice Now what I would recommend is because I only follow followers supporters words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5334">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► but I only subscribe to a couple of You Tube channels. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► Ray being one and Whiskers is better elevations another and what I'd done is gone to their video page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5346">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► or what you like their uploads page and then grabbed an R.S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► Feed from there and just stuck that in feed Wrangler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► and I find that that works pretty well because I just you know is another R.S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► Item whereas if I had to go to like the You Tube app in order to to check these things out I would I would never watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► but like I just got a bunch of channels too like some of the ones you mentioned also via Hart's channels great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► and secret via our via our channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► and what is it that people like this one that is infrequently updated as to how much good things this is scribe to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► about like You Tube has this problem where it's really good a related search is because my children navigate You Tube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► entirely by going to one video that leads to another that is there and and it works amazing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5393">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► Either you can find just because one thing led to the nother they click on something interest them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► and is entirely viable way it's like their version of channel surfing instead of a slot into the channels or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► It amazes me the things they find through this you know sort of word association thing without ever typing anything all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► they do is click so that works great but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► when I find something that says like you know how to you know cook some meal part three of seven. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► Like show me where the other parts are sometimes they're very related like it's amazingly good at showing you here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:31 ◼ ► but doing this in part to people like for you know an outlier the person who put out these videos is trying to give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5431">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► the meditator like if you put a field that said like maybe this field exist people just don't use it I don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► said this is a multi-part series and this is part two give me arrow keys are shown those are called playlists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► but any time I land on one of those like it should know if it's part one of the title I want the other parts in it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► people didn't enter the metadata and didn't make the post you can do that for me the telling or for assuring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5453">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► and trying to search for part two when you've got all the other parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► and you just can't find it because you know it doesn't come up in the search and it's not related videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► and it's just you know things could be improved greatly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► I understand your frustration with the interface but my I guess that my bottom line is can I watch the video and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► when I watch You Tube video is better and I was device you just make it full screen everything's black anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTt-jxw/5474">TS</a>]