00:00:01 ◼ ► Bergeron Well the the prediction that you two had for night one at home would you like to guess if it went as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► expected or not at all as expected every hurdle analog right here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/13">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► and here to tell the world tell the world today that didn't come out yet that's out now. I wasn't alive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/16">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► Oh well that doesn't count you're cheating. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/23">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► Yeah yeah absolutely did OK So Marco did it go as you expected which is to say it went not swimmingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/25">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► or did Declan surprise everyone and it went pretty much flawlessly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/31">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► First time home from the hospital and I'm sayin it did not go flawlessly. It was a disaster. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/37">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► Yeah it's simply unrealistic to expect otherwise I mean it's not really his fault that you know zero year olds are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/43">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► You'd be worried that there's something wrong with the baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/51">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► and we bring them back to it's true get it inspected if you like this not failing to thrive is just easily be all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/53">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► Now it's actually funny you say that because you did mention the pediatrician Monday that he was really sleepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/60">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► and you know we were let him go something like four ish hours overnight because he really didn't wake up to feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/65">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► and the pediatrician was like oh no not yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/71">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► That ain't your thing yet you gotta wake that baby up and so that's what we've been doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/74">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► and it's been I mean all in all it's actually he's been really good the first night was a disaster because we hadn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/77">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► yet come to the conclusion that divide and conquer is the answer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/84">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► And so you know here it is I'm trying to be supportive of Erin who is who is the only one who can actually feed Declan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/87">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► and I'm waking up and just kind of staring at her while she's feeding him not then there's no point me being up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/93">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► and it took us until basically the end of that night where I think I said to her Listen he's pissed off you haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/100">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► slept in forever. You're the one who actually need sleep right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/106">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► You go to bed I'll just entertain him for a couple hours and that's when kind of we had the epiphany that divide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/109">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► and conquer is really the way to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/116">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► The purpose to use staying over the same time in that's like to offer moral support if your wife is to have a person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/120">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► who would resent you if you were sleeping peacefully any other room. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/127">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► But eventually yes you will both get over that because you'll realize either one of us everyone's asleep we have to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/132">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► over the notion that all suffering must be shared. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/138">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► Which one of us said Adam Samberg was that me or John I did and then you confirmed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/142">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► We're trying to remember the name of some movie I'm like oh that's the thing with Adam Samberg and you said Yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/147">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► but I don't know I don't know why I let that slide because I knew it was Andy Samberg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/152">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► but at the line I was any Samberg to it just you know came along anyway in case you're wondering the man's name is Andy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/156">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► Samberg. So everybody was wrong except me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/162">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► You didn't say anything right didn't make you right but you were you were correct in saying you were not wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/165">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► You should've corrected me in real time so we would have had the saltpeter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/170">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► and real time fall you seem I know who that is or what you were talking about you know who Andy Samberg is come on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/174">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► You overestimate me. Now I go yet that guy you know you don't know the name. That may be also unlikely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/180">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► If you've ever seen a recent Saturday Night Live not now recent but within the last five ten years recent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/190">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► and he's been in a bunch of movies too although there are scaping me off my head so far too lazy Sunday which was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/199">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► never heard of a written reference that you made was on a boat he's in the on a boat thing I'm on a boat the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/208">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► when I recorded it to insert into the show last week where I heard about it so I knew roughly what you were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/214">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► about but I didn't know anything else about like I had never heard the whole thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/221">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► Same thing with going to box like when I came out same people right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/227">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► Yeah like two weeks earlier something yeah that was like the entire world was obsessed with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/230">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► and I love I didn't hear it for like six months it was really funny so I got it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/234">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► It again Andy Samberg is part of a trio called Lonely Island. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/240">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► They're the ones with the I'm On A Boat Song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/244">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► and they came out with an album two three months ago maybe a little more than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/247">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► and I read a review of it which is weird because I never read album reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/251">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► but I read a review of it on like a rolling stone or pitchfork or something hipster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/255">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► and the point that they made about the album was you know it's supposed to be satirical rap in so it's sort of kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/259">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► weird Alysha Other Weird Al was deliberately goofy whereas they are more satirical in my personal estimation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/267">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► Well anyway they said that the problem with the Lonely Island album is that the music is good enough in the writing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/274">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► good enough that it's not really that satirical after all that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/281">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► So they totally kind of escape or missed the point of the entire album which was to be satirical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/285">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► and silly so that they accidentally made an album that was just good enough to not be taken as a joke which was their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/289">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► intention. Exactly right. Now it's weird. Should I be a little bit embarrassed that first of all I had never heard T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/294">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► but while watching the on the boat video I was like the only music I was actually enjoying wasn't he pay me saying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/302">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► was actually singing and not just yelling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/308">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► I'm so not a raft I clearly I mean well the comedy behind it though is that he was auto tuned to death like that was T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/311">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► Pain's thing was to or at least the charge I knew was that he was like the first person to really embrace audit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/317">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► The first person that everyone everyone realized really embraced auto tune [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/324">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► and I think you could argue that many artists such as maybe Britney Spears had embraced auto tune a long time before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/328">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► him. But but yet that's kind of his shtick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/333">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► and yeah either way he was definitely the most musical part of that which I was trying to get some kind of musical enjoyment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/336">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► out of it because I'm like well I'm going to listen to something called music. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/343">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► I might as well attempt to extract some enjoyment out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/346">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► and that was the only source of any any promise in the whole thing. He didn't like the lyrics at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/350">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► I think one verse was kind of funny maybe. But like the holes I was sitting there like this is still going. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/356">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► Like I couldn't believe how long I figured it was like a forty five second S N L skit not made an entire you know three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/362">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► or four minute whatever song out of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/370">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► Now it's the real deal that he should have stayed as a as a thirty second to get a you should there's there's a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/371">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► of other couple other videos that they've done that are pretty good there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/377">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► Semi-colon video I thought was pretty awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/382">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► and it's all about using semi-colons properly which which I thought was enjoyable something credible is seeing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/385">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► want to write I don't know that that's a given put in the show notes force market to watch it I have seen nothing even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/390">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► you have to understand any any question that begins with you know. Surely you've seen blank. No you do all day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/397">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► Seriously you soon don't actually watch them make TIFF press your little hand on the mouse button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/404">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► and the other mentally switching to Chrome to make flash work to play it and not worth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/409">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► When I had my music open my chrome ghetto it's just not worth it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/418">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► Well what do you mean pause your music you're listening to Phish that's not music because your knowing is open you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/421">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► only open your flash ghetto etc Anyway what else is going on. What did what did Wall receive P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/427">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► Tell us John at the Cullen pick Ryan tweeted to say that the last show was talking about they were using bundles for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/433">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► and last week's show we posted I hope the link is in the show it's of a screenshot of this actually happening in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/444">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► and I mention the scenario where it could actually be more expensive to get a second app as part of an upgrade bundle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/451">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► then it would be reduced by the second half on its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/458">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► and convert into say that apparently the store now forbid you from purchasing a bundle if it would be cheaper for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/460">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► to buy the the other apps like individually so I guess that's one workaround to this problem with bundle pricing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/467">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► but so thanks for the read to me and complicated like people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/476">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► I don't know the mess looks like that in tests that I didn't have a scenario where I don't have a bundle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/480">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► and I could try it out but what does it say to you Don't you understand why you can't buy this bundle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/483">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► and what you should do instead. And very confusing. Yeah it's very weird. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/488">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► Additionally somebody had asked us for you to explain how you're handling trim support with your new found baby S.S.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/493">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► Can you recap what trim is and then talk about what you're doing about it and this is a common question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/503">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► when I mention that I got an S.S.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/508">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► and it's you know it's a third party as they are sticking it into a mac that never had it didn't ship with an S.S.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/511">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► and Ever want to know about term support what am I doing with supporters a bunch of wrinkles. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/517">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► Somebody so trim I don't notice stands for but trim is a command they get sent to an S.S.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/522">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► That tells it that a bunch of blocks of data on it are no longer being used so the S.S.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/529">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► Is free to sort of reclaim them for future use in the sounds weird was like why would you need this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/535">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► and this is the one she's on disk and has to do with the way disks are addressed by computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/539">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► when he used the Unix parlance it's like a block addressable device whereas just this device hanging out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/545">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► and you and you said addressing and bytes you can President blocks like you know whatever four K. or Whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/552">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► Actually that's not only end blocks were going to forget about the block thing they risk having this contrary a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/557">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► constraint on that as well. You know because this file system blocks and there's the black dresses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/563">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► Yeah now we're getting into file system so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/569">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► when you're addressing a disk you have to write a file system two in the file system as the structures that you put on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/571">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► it to keep track of where reading is so you have a little index over here on the disk going to write it like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/577">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► tree or something and this is going to look up where the files are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/582">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► and then you know there's a whole bunch of different techniques depending on the thousand to find where all the pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/586">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► of this file as a big long continuous string probably not probably there's a bunch of pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/589">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► and then a pointer to another bunch of pieces and a pointer to another bunch of pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/594">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► and you've got blocks a direct you to other blocks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/597">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► Got a doubly indirect block in Tripoli indirectly I mean this is all that the realm of the file systems job is to put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/600">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► bunch of things on disk structure so we can find the data and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/605">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► when you delete a file on most file systems all you do is go to the little place where you would look up where all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/609">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► stuff for the file is and you just erase that entry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/614">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► It's like erasing an entry in the end like the index of a book right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/617">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► It doesn't touch the actual data that belong to the file the data the blunder the file still sitting there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/621">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► All you did was a race like the bookkeeping information that the structures in the file system that would tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/626">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► and that's where you can under leak files of people remember undelete utilities back from the DOS days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/632">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► and everything like that because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/636">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► when you delete something it doesn't take as long as writing you don't you know overwrite all that is why he isn't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/640">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► kind of secure do it that's fine for a spinning disk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/644">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► But for as these are these are a little bit weird everything about memory chips is weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/647">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► and I don't know this is true of all his days which is why I will go to a little bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/651">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► But for in the early days of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/655">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► and probably still is the case for most of them the way the memory is addressed in the little chips that make up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/658">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► D.'s You can't just grab one little sort of block size piece and read and write it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/664">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► when you want to write something you have to write it in a large chunk even if you're just interested in one little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/670">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► piece of it. And furthermore you can't write to a bunch of memory that already has stuff in it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/676">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► So what you have to do is read that entire gigantic chunk into into some other memory temporarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/683">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► or race that entire gigantic chunk modify little chunk you want to change in the copy that you made to memory before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/690">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► you raised it and then write the holding back which seems incredibly inefficient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/696">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► or that's the way it has these work for a variety of reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/699">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► and that means that even if that space isn't used like even if you are a school entry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/703">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► and that all the files guy DELETED DELETED that five game movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/708">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► and just erases the little tiny look up table where those five gigs were that five years data still in the chip so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/711">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► next time you want to write something if it's lands on one of those play. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/716">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► This is where that five year was it can't just go I'm going to write the data there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/720">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► and have to erase it first you can't unlike a spinning disk where you can just write a running spot like writing in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/723">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► operation he said I don't care where I'm writing just start writing because just enough looks a little magnetic poles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/729">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► You don't have to erase it for you right but I said not only do you have to raise it before you write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/734">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► but you have to raise this big gigantic block and modify a little bit in the copy that you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/738">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► and then put the copy back on so the trim command is optimization in the operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/743">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► when you delete a little file to the OK I'm going to delete this little entry from the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/748">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► but also notice on his command to the to the disk by the way I deleted the entry for this for this file the file has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/753">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► them so you should go and find all the blocks that belong to that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/758">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► or tell you where those blocks aren't they the Marchese being freed gives us a chance to erase those blocks so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/761">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► when something is to be written later it doesn't find itself stumbling onto where you know because there's anybody as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/768">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► the as the has no idea about the file system it is just a big addressable chunk of storage the file system is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/773">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► something that happens in the realm of the operating system so yes is the has no idea what to file with not to delete a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/779">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► file just obeys commands just stupid you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/784">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► Box for the most part so that's why trim is useful because it lets the operating system tell the S.S.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/786">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► I deleted the files all the blocks of longer file that were here here here and here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/794">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► They're not used anymore so when you get a chance maybe in some idle time erase those because later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/798">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► when you need to write something you can have some freshly response message by the way want to reason that says these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/802">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► are the early ones would slow down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/806">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► when they are full because that would mean that the number of places that you can write like the places that are raced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/809">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► in an array state would go down because you know the is almost full So any time I needed to write anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/813">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► and have to read an entire junk back erase the entire thing modify a little bit write a back there wasn't any fresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/819">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► sort of Greenfield to put stuff in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/823">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► So here's the thing with trim Apple I believe supports trim on most of it us is easy to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/826">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► and most of all I don't know the situation is now I think maybe all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/831">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► but it doesn't support trim for third party Estes. No so I bought a third party S.S.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/836">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► If you go do the System Information application in Yosemite. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/843">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► You can you know select your little eighty a bus or south of us where everything is on and it also trims support yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/846">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► and mine says no so people are asking hey did you use this thing called Trim enablers all matches the lock system extension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/854">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► type things that will force the operating system to enable the trim command even addresses the is not one supplied by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/860">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► Apple as some people have been doing in past versions of the O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/865">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► Us but Yosemite will not load the kernel extension that has not been signed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/869">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► and to sign a kernel extension here is we need to build it yourself you need to sort of have the source code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/874">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► But Apple does not release the source code to it's part of the called Age the advanced hosts something interface which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/880">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► you get that suddenly invents host controller interface. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/886">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► Apple doesn't release the source code to those to that driver for O S ten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/889">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► So third parties can't make their own drivers and sign them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/895">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► and load them all they can do is attack they were doing before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/899">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► but you Samuel basically refused to load kernel extension that isn't signed so the only way to get criminal work in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/901">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► Yosemite is to turn off the thing that says I will only load signed kernel extensions which is not a great thing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/908">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► because it is a good security feature in it like a virus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/915">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► or malware can't throw a kernel extension into your system like even if it gets like a temporary root access to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/918">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► tricks you into entering your local password and writes a kernel extension somewhere and you know any routed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/923">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► or whatever the system will not load a kernel extension as unsigned if they signed it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/927">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► Presumably it's signed with an apple developer idea to have some contact information like they could find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/932">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► responsible parties like if someone goes to the effort to make a malware with the same kernel extension always Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/936">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► would have some recourse to find out who these people are because presumably their whatever their authentication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/942">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► methods of determining if you're a real person or giving you a developer ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/945">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► and they also revoke your certificate invalidate that and do all sorts of other things I would do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/949">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► So this is a very long winded and possibly taken slightly take really an accurate way of getting to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/953">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► Russian which was am I doing this thing am I am I using trim unable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/960">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► or am I disabling the kernel extension signing in Yosemite or checking for kernel extended fingers in your sanity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/964">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► and the answer is No And the reason I'm not doing it one is that I don't really like the idea of bypassing the security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/971">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► feature in Yosemite even though it wasn't there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/979">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► Previous ones are just like why would I do that unless every then that leads to the second reason which is until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/981">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► and unless I see performance problems with my S.S.D. and Those performance problems are solved by enabling trim. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/988">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► I'm not going to even consider doing this like Otherwise I'm going to wait until there's a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/994">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► And of sudden I feel like the used to be really fast but now it's getting slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► and that that leads to the final nuance in that as these have on them like they see a little computer that manages the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► storage of man just like the right leveling and all sorts of other things because you can only read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► and write flash certain number of times for it wears out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► and these are over provision depending on if they're like an enterprise as the consumer S.S.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1015">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► They give you more storage and you think you have to wear leveling will use up sections [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► and there's a complicated little computer in there managing the chips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► and the complexity of what's going on inside an S.S.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► Is increasingly divorced from the view of that from the operating system as just a simple box of bits that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► And so the assumptions about trim that you have to tell the thing to trim because otherwise it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► inefficient or whatever it's not the F A Z knows where the deleted files are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► but it's more like what's going on inside that S.S.D. It's like the operating system can't know better than the S.S.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► when and How it needs to to do its work because in the grand scheme of things you're going to have to erase that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► That the blocks of the block that five year about hard before you write to him anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► And maybe it's better to do it soon rather than later like send a germ command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► and tell that as a day to get rid of it during an idle period of ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► but the operating system can just send that as the suggestion is for all all for all it knows it has the read from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► command and filed it away in a queue somewhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► or maybe doesn't do it ever because actually it turns out there was another eye operation address the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► and whatever so I don't know the interview did you know what's going on inside as these he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► but I do know that the storage management iness these has been changing a lot so I'm not entirely sure whether trim is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► as necessary as that used to be I think it probably still is useful in most benchmarks bear out that if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► enable train you have serious problems especially when storage gets tight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► But anyway I am what I'm doing is living Yosemite's kernel extension signal strength in the way it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► and if I find that my system is going slow I will follow the instructions which we'll put in the show notes the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► scary process of disabling kernel extension signature checking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► and using Terminator so I've had on my work MacBook Pro I've had a third party S.S.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► Since I received the machine in you know of this one. Well it's a right. Yes Gina twenty twelve. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1132">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► I did not knowingly do anything to to enable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► or disable term support in the thing still screams YES WAY faster than a spinning disk right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► Mark Marco Have you ever been able Tremont any of your various third party as a state. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► No I always have just forgotten to do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► I mean one thing I always I mean this is now almost ancient history but when S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► D.'s were first getting to consumer stuff and they were getting popular the sand force controllers came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► and became a big splash because before this election I think before trim existed as a command that you could send. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► Basically you know certain entities that do things kind of the dumb way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► and would have to you know they would fill up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► and then they would have that have whatever it's called like the rightful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► and whatever whatever that's right degradation I think it's called right amplification where we all you just wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► write one little thing but it turns out would you have had to erase a huge swath really huge swath modify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► and write it yourself right. It was like after the S.S.B. Was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► Once as you described earlier like after it was ever filled up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► and all right over time what it would then be slower than that initial that anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► So Sand Force was a controller company they made those little computers on the other cities to figure out where to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► things and how to write things and they figured out various techniques [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► and optimizations to basically avoid that problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► and minimize that problem without trim support just by like how they would spread the rights around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► and how they would buffer them and things like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► Various tricks I don't know I don't know all the details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► but so I would just I would always just buy Sand Force controller as S.D.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► Because I knew you know first trim didn't even exist and then when it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► when it was added Macs didn't support it at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► when Apple did finally add support for it in the US it would only work on these white with the disks which end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► So for all of my third party other cities I just I bought I didn't really need term support and just never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► and never bothered trying to hack my way into enabling it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1256">TS</a>]
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00:24:00 ◼ ► There's an old city back from owner complaining about just some of the transparency stuff in the sidebars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1440">TS</a>]
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00:24:10 ◼ ► or I don't know that you can choose for the sourceless to be opaque programatic way if you're writing an application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► can we talk about this or any sounds familiar I don't think we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► and we're talking about it again I think he's a developer for Skype because he says in one of his tweets we've chosen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► to do that in Skype seven I haven't operated seven so I haven't seen it yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► but I think they say that they chose to make the sidebar opaque and got seven. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► This I mean that you can permanently do it yeah of course and you are permitted to do anything right here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► Yeah you know you know you had the example sources you could fake it if you want to but it's nice to see the option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► but the important thing about the transparency in Yosemite is what the defaults are for applications that were compiled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► and built before you somebody even shipped that they can end up with like you know like Outlook twenty eleven. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► They can ship with the hundred thousand sidebar they had no idea they were ever going to have a transition sidebar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► and here they are running on your seventy with friends a sidebar that they never planned on having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► and those default show how dedicated Apple is not like hey we're going to have this new feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► and if you want to use it just you know flip this little bit in this A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► When you make this call and you get a transition sidebar not the opposite everybody into it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► and you know I don't particularly like it because I think the apps that never meant after experiencing cyber is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► little weird and even the ones that want to have it sometimes don't look great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► We've talked about that for a fact about at length on this broadcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► and the talk show so reference those up so if you don't hear more whining about transparency in Yosemite that's what do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► we want to finally clear out this Game Cube controller followup that spent in a heart show notes for an eternity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► Sure this is from someone named Rich long ago I was discussing the Game Cube controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► and the adapter though if you use a game controller with it we you so you can play Smash Bros I was in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1554">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► Side of that the adapter would also let you play any other game that use the program troll or for that we you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► but I was not the case and I was sad about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► and I was mentioning it was because I thought it was pretty damning evidence against the program troll of the broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► rollers the traditional looking and troll there were two analog sticks and buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► and triggers you know a typical looking in troll or that Nintendo made for you specifically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► And yet when Smash Bros came out they offered this adapter for the games you control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► and I'm saying like if they if the program was really any good intend it would not have felt the need to make an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► or to clarify the games you control was there just because Smash Bros players are addicted to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► and because it's wired instead of wireless if you're not using the waiver and I know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► but it's worth it's worth pointing out why I still think it's evidence of the probing troll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► or not is not fulfilling its job like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► If Nintendo's going to make a new traditional looking controller they should make something that is satisfactory to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► but the hardest of hard core smash brother players [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► and this you know Apple's not going to make an adapter just for people who compete internationally as tournaments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► there's just not enough of those people in the entire world this adapter is for the wide range of people who play Smash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► and it's basically Nintendo admitting that even if you're not a professional Smash Brothers player we understand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► the probe for a controller is not is not is not better than the game controller So here you go we're actually going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► make a peripheral and advertise it and sell it to regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► and reissue the game to control the Smash Bros logline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► and again this is not a product that is only for competitive smash brother players they're going to sell way more of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► them than just the people who can confirm it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► Obviously to the people who be in tournaments yet this product is for them they want to wire the need reaction times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► they want to control the use for a long time so and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► but I still feel like if Nintendo had made the way you program troll or so that it was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1674">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► Quizzically unassailably better than the game cumin troll or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► and was perceived as such by customers it would not have felt the need to make a mass market product like this so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► can use your game controller smash bros again and I agree with them and I agree with popular opinion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► The program trailer is very well made but I think the layout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► and the shape are not as good as the game controller except of course the D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► Pad which is extra ball and everybody hates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► but that's why the game controller is not perfect is that the only reason that and the triggers are not great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► and of course is evil and that every expert you know if they could. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► That's part of the triggers the triggers are passable you can get by with them the triggers has something to recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► them and but they're not that great but the main control the using games thumbstick buttons. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► Like that's what you have your hand on the left thumb isn't some secure at the moment hitting a bunch of buttons the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► Game Cube trailer is the current peak of controller design from intend controller design as far as I'm concerned. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1734">TS</a>]
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00:30:17 ◼ ► or whatever you know I would say. So they sent me a kit. I used it it was great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► I would say the quality of them is right up there with the Gillette Fusion blades which were my my my normal usage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► blades. Harry's is about half the price. Twelve blade for twenty bucks you know I mean it's amazing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► and I want to change the blade more often you know you can afford to change it more often which if you even better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► shave his fresh blade you're always better than old blades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► and the rest you can I think is really nice that the handle is really this is like nice metal classy heavy thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► Really enjoy the Harry stuff. Apparently there's a month of November. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► Yes So I do that the last couple years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1856">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► and I don't know if I'm to be able to do it this year because my life is so out of control at the moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► but all you have to do is not shave. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► Well yeah so anyway the idea is you shave everything except your mustache for the entire month of November. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► It's supposed to raise awareness and hopefully money for men's health issues. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► Just anything men's health related and if you're going to trim everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1879">TS</a>]
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00:32:05 ◼ ► All right so we're actually in two main topics only thirty thirty five minutes into the show this might be a record for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► us for the last couple months. I'm very proud of us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► Well let's talk about this Microsoft band of which I have not had time to read anything about outside of listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► underscore David Smith's podcast about it or a pike S.F. Assert about it which we'll put in the show knows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► So what do you guys tell me what this is about. Not everyone at once. Yes in America. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► No I haven't actually I only saw people talking about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► but I don't know anything about it except that it looks like what appears to be a pretty decent wearable for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► ecosystem that nobody's going to use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► I've seen him play with a couple minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► and so I can't really talk about the usage of it although I underscore had a good post about his usage of it like why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► he bought one and what he thinks of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► and we'll link that up an assurance if you want to get sort of a hands on experience of using it I'm just sort of play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► with it and I was looking at it from a hardware perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► and there is this great sort of you know exploded view diagram at Microsoft dot com slash Microsoft type and band. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► If you scroll to the very bottom of the page as well animation that shows how it's constructed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► and it's is an interesting take on on how to get all the hardware they want into a band type shape so this thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► aiming for it's kind of weird like it's not going to be like a full full fledged little computer on your wrist to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► same degree. Apple Watch is in that they don't expect you to do much on the screen much interacting in two D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► Like the screen is very long and thin. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► So it's kind of a one dimensional device where useless lighting white right and left but there's not a lot of up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► and down does not even a lot of like hitting the top button or the bottom buttons a lot of like little side bars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► and showing a little half a half a little letter poking off the other side of the screen so you know there's more over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► there is you know which direction you know typical Windows Phone style Metro Uighur type. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2035">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► So in that respect it's not like the Apple Watch where you've got the studio thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► and you could have different sets of buttons and a dial and all of her things like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► But unlike the Apple Watch for example this does have a G.P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► Built in so you can go for a jog with it without having your phone with you to do the G.P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► Part of like tracking where your original route was and everything that is so smart. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► Yes but you sense like you know who's going to have a Windows Phone to join up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► but it does have all the sensors are a lot of the same sensors as the band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► but it is an interesting thing where instead of the sensors for like your pulse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► and everything like that being underneath the sort of chunky top part of the watch they've split that start up stuff up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► so the sensors are sort of like inside your wrist like where you take your pulse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► and the screen is on the outside of your wrist where you look at your watch which is an interesting way to keep the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► thing on top because they don't have to have the sensors there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► but that means that the bottom of the watch sort of the part where class together has a lump a lump at the bottom of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► the strap is going us where the sensors are and then to find a place to smuggle I think I can tell from the diagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2094">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► but I assume this is where the smuggling the batteries they put the batteries in the sides of the band they have little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► stiff regions on the sides of the band left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► and right side of the band that are curved occur plastic that doesn't bend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► and inside there I'm assuming are a little battery packs or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► Because otherwise I don't know where they're repairing the battery. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► What that means is the shape of this watch the shape of this band is kind of like a square as a stiff rigid screen on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► the top there's a stiff rigid sensor bundle on the bottom and the left and right side is the sort of curved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► but still rigid regions and tween that there's a little bit of flexing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► and the the clasp that it just has like a little groove about an inch long groove that you can sort of slide it along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► in the groove in whatever point the groove you want to just release the thing into a clause gravel in the group so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► there is some size adjustability I think they offer the actual band in three sizes because this is not like the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► Watch where it's like a little computer and then a flexible band that you can adjust the length right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► This computer is essentially all around your wrist this is a very much more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2156">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► Like what I was thinking although not a quite a delegate about what I was thinking of in terms that you could take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► advantage of the band to let you have more room to put hardware but Apple has made a very different choice here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► and I think the biggest violin with these products is not like oh my gosh our band as U.B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► Of the magazine band has to work with all sorts of other phones who can just work with Windows Phone because it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► a partisan ecosystem there's no one no one is into I think the big difference is that Microsoft's band is so clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► not going for anything having to do with fashion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► An Apple Watch is so clearly focused on fashion at least half of its you know the effort of that product is of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► we're not going to make it like all one colour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► and computer we looking into have lumps we're going to make something look like jewelry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► and we're not going to bring the band because that's supposed to be decorative interact with the device should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► decorative the band should be doctored the entire thing is to be decorative because it's a fashion accessory. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► Mega subband is absolutely not a fashion accessory in any way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► and that way perhaps it plays more to Microsoft's strengths because they've never been known to be a particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► fashionable brand but anyway I think the really interesting design choice for Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► and I'm excited by the fact that this wasn't like a demo is like you know C.D.'s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► or something that never actually ships or that ship for a year is a product that no one knew about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► but they announced and said Here it is you can go buy it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► and the effort from Microsoft a big thumbs up in the same way that it kind of didn't like the whole Windows Metro's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► things up over they kind of they're doing their own thing they're not trying to copy Apple they're not being Samsung [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► and their own thing is actually pretty cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► and I hope this has more more success in the market let's say the you know the various device like Windows Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► and the US with the Metro interface. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► If I was into fitness which is is pretty far from the truth then I would I would buy this I think no question because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► I'm not into sadness. I don't have much of a use for it but I kind of like some of the tradeoffs they have made. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► Why do you say just because you're not into fitness. This seems used. Most of you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2276">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► Well I'm not going to use Windows Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► I mean it does it doesn't integration with I I saw the same it doesn't really read underscores thing about it like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► kind of a preview I'm assuming you're not using with a Windows on the zen like it's it's like a one way communication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► is not two way because it's not completely form integrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► but he's getting the experience of being able to be notified on his wrist a little showbiz in the occasions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► when he compared to he divided the fitness bands I mean to summarize his post here for longer than just reading it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► aloud on the air but he's divided them into like the ones that are just always with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► and track information like the fit bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► and those necessarily you know they focus on just long battery life it's just a sensor attached to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► but there's not much interaction with it are you not flitting around the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► and then there are the ones that have screens but those have been like I have to be sleepy all the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► I can't really do anything like a pebble or it's like Wake me up when you want to use me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► and use me through some limited interface because I take a lot of energy to do all this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► and then I'll go back to sleep Slavin E. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► Ink screen or a very limited screen or they're not awake a lot of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► and this is kind of the same category as like a combination of the two. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► All the fitness centers are there I don't know the battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► and the thing is by the way it all up in a sense are there I can do the persistence of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► but it's also like these other devices where you can use it as a little computer I think does communicate with your i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► was device at least in one direction to show you notifications and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► and it underscores that it's basically this convinced him that he'll really like the Apple Watch with the Apple Watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► will be two way communication and I guess he won't care they have watches have G.P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► Because that's not again he's not into a fitness type thing. The Apple Watch will count your steps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► That's all you care about if you want to map your route then you have to run with your your i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► but I totally think the lack of G.P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► In the Apple Watch is like three generations away from being a moot point because they'll go at it since they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► afford to do it with battery power I think that's optimistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► but there is not picking on you Marcus because I think this is basically a pebble but better done and with a G.P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► and I don't view it building on what underscore and John were just saying I don't view it as just a fit with a G.P.S.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► I view it more as a pebble with a G.P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► And my understanding of what I heard on developing perspective was it uses the same sort of A P I's that for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► will let you rule that I drive uses in your car so that you can read your text messages on the screen if you set it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► appropriately. So just like John was saying it's all one way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► You know it all it's doing is saying hey you just got a text message and here's a text message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► and there's not much you can do to respond to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► On on the band I was called or watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► but nevertheless at least you can see something there yet meaning in the trial because I I am also curious just to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► like what is the actual real life utility of such a device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► But that being said I mean we're going to we're going to be getting watch kit this month supposedly So I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► this might just be for i OS developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► and I was fans this might just be a temporary distraction for the next five months until we have a watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► Well now to score being his typical super industrious self is like he's got to get this so he knows that the utility is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► so he can create his fleet of watch out right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► and how this man possibly like there may be more than one of any of us checked to see if well I don't know how he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► as much as always the same guy way because he could be like one of seven identical anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► You could be a clone is what I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► but this gives him a chance to see what kind of applications would be good on this device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► when the avalanche comes along he will know he will have a top ten list of the applications he's going to make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► Well Casey still thinks about getting his best X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► For ourselves what kind of you didn't feel shame about not updating past X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► Don't feel shamed over gets beat you feel shame to during a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► or guess of being developed underscore probably made seven apps like everyone else look bad you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► and you're right I mean if I had just a pool of money to just sit it just sitting there for me to waste away on silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► devices I would absolutely buy one of these just to try it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► and it definitely looks well I should say it looks cool in it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2516">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► A feature set seems very neat to me like you were saying John it's not aesthetically the most pleasing thing the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► it certainly doesn't look bad either. And I'm curious to see what comes of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► But only time will you know it's too bad that because it's Microsoft everyone just kind of fluffs it off immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► because as a friend of the show Ben Thompson saying the chat a minute ago you know the old Microsoft Microsoft this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► kind of a new Microsoft it's really trying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► And John you were you're talk about this really really trying to do something different and unique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► and a lot of times I think they hit the nail really close to the head than anyone gives him credit for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► And so it's kind of a bummer to me that that nobody's really given them any credit from what I can tell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► Well it that's not really the problem the problem isn't isn't credit. The problem is action. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► So it's the same thing that happened with web Oh S. Same thing happening with Windows Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► Webber Webber last round of money that's on Microsoft's from well well that's why it's so the same thing happened where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2575">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► the geeks like us and maybe the tech press you know these things come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► and they were like oh you know what this is really interesting everyone's interesting but this is really progressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► or you know some word that means like this is cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► But then the conclusion is but I don't want it or this is great I love this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► but I'm not going to buy this instead of an i Phone And so I think this is going to have the same kind of problem which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► is you have this device for Microsoft right before this you know probably big device from Apple right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► So you have this device from Microsoft that we're looking at now and saying this is really interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► This might be really interesting there you know this is it they're doing a good job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► But how many people who say this are going to be using one of these in a year instead of an apple watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► Well they have the same problem as Apple of old did where at a certain point it becomes like no matter what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2633">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► All did it was always like yeah but that's just Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► So like who cares like exactas and they like it's interesting or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► but you know come on real computers use Windows like it's a side show you're not interested in once you kind of get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► of that position once people start thinking of you as not not part of the mainstream not part of like the real thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► Then it's really difficult to ever to ever jump back up in the previous position where did you get people to like say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► I'm actually going to buy that because it starts to feel like I'm not going to buy a Mac. I'm a P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► Guy Macs don't run the programs that I want to not familiar with how they work it just everything builds on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► and it becomes insurmountable the only way Apple itself out of it was with these spectacular flashy products initially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► flashy in ways they really weren't that's a you know substantial of like you know using fashion again why why do people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► care of the IMAX was just a computer like it was an OK Computer It wasn't a bad computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► but he got to the i Macs were not all that impressive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► It was because it was peeling translucent cooling and that's why the emigrant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2697">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► and the i Pod was then making a product that had already existed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► but doing it so much better than the other ones like and so is this so much better than the Apple Watch No it's not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► So it's not going to do that for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► but they must feel like Microsoft must feel like Apple did where it's like we're making good stuff like it's not bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► it's good are usually sometimes it's the best or it's close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► and yet why is our reward not proportional to the quality of the programming. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► If we're making something it's like a present as good as something like and we get no market share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► and it just it just seems like it's not fair and so I feel for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► but you know on the other hand I was you know a little bit of glee about the fact that they're in the position that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► trying to hold a grudge like everything going for them but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► when I think about ring to them like you know what if they if they got control they would just start making products I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► or make me sad you know you set a goal if we make a part of the eighty percent is good then it's just a market share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► and the problem is like something like this I think most people are going to have one wrist wearable at most most. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2753">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► Zero but but you know I think that the most Somebody will have is likely to be one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► and so the question is like not only is this good enough to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► but is this good enough to buy instead of the Apple Watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► And that's always that's the problem like most people don't carry two cell phones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► Most people carry ones at least that they buy themselves most of the carry one cell phone most of them and then a P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► Was like a two thousand dollar investment you don't replace it every two years these type of devices are small enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► and there's enough like advancement in the field they do like for a lot of people would try the i Phone or try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► and reduce my two year contract up like this and subsidize training [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► but it just feels like it's it's not as big of a commitment to get back to what you said earlier about the ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► where you might feel like one of my what am I buying into here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► Do I have faith that this is going to be a supported product line for the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► or is this going to be like a one off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► or you know what was that Courier project that they had with like member that was like a tablet that open up like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► book and they can that for it even got out the door. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► So it seems like Microsoft may not may be kind of a hostile environment to innovation at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► or they can mow that other one they made. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► Yeah like the social smartphone platform that they made like two of those from the side to guys and they died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► and then canned it like Microsoft needs to work on their not so much execution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► but hard times the products are like have something to recommend them but just like the decision about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/2835">TS</a>]
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00:55:40 ◼ ► but it's not the gist of it is right it's not the details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3340">TS</a>]
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00:56:22 ◼ ► when Apple sort of races forward leaving behind legacy things whether it's you know ditching everything several U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3382">TS</a>]
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00:59:07 ◼ ► What it did was basically give your native mac application a lake. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► Let people who know nothing about the Web make web pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► and put them up on the hosting that was part of your service that you bought was not a very good program. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► The results are not very nice but the bottom line is people dragged in the pictures and typed lots of words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► and made a series of posts. And Apple is just like Well sorry that's going away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► Hope you have some way to pull that down and back it up or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► I remember that year I was going around to kill my family and trying to find a way to like pull down the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► and modify the link so they would still work locally so they can just have a local copy because people invested time in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► that and Apple has no respect for the time that people spend and I am a file formats. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► Apple has no respect for the work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► but in making word processing document so the lesson of teaching everybody is don't use our programs are Web services. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► If you care about being able to open this thing or view this thing in five or ten years and I think Apple's probably. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3591">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► and what is done with the web probably is probably the worst of the big companies like you know Apple Microsoft Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► or whatever in breaking compatibility with no way for real you know sort of like importer export option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► I don't I'm angry about it I don't even use I work and by the way I don't work for this and many other reasons. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► I mean part of the problem. You're definitely right. I agree with everything you said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► Part of the problem is bigger than than just this is a bad decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► and I work in part that one of the parts of the problem is that Iraq doesn't get a lot of attention from Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► There's a reason like there was literally no new update from two thousand and nine until two thousand and thirteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► and the two thousand thirteen versions were not written during that whole time they were written at the last minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► There's nothing like to spend a lot of time trying to sync up between theirs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► and I was very fond of the web version of the mac regime and try to make them all work on the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► and all work together like that seems like what they put the effort in that's probably not your right a multi-year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3656">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► I don't know what their schedules are like internally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► but the result was a program that didn't satisfy people because that that synchronization between the platforms sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► dumbed down the applications to the common subset of functionality there or across all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► and people are angry about that and the execution wasn't great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► but yeah going to just I don't I don't think it's because they didn't put enough effort into it because it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► an input a lot of resources into or they just they just put them towards the wrong things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► Well I mean the I work file formats have always been kind of a disaster so like the first versions of my work before oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► They say the everything as a as a MAC bundle which for those who don't know a bundle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► or a package whatever it's called a package is just a directory with the housing boom guys like special flags to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► it into a package. How does that work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► Now the finder is the thing that interprets the thing at the bundle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► but I said no that's classic Michael I believe it's the finder that interprets them as something other than a directory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► because of you. At them any place else other than the finder. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► It looks like exactly what it is a directory with a bunch of files in it right so that the first versions of i work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► there file format was these these fake files which are actually directories full of other files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► and that causes a lot of problems whenever that file has to leave the mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► Biggest thing is email attachments and secondarily you also can't put them in and upload forms and Web sites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► and the file input type because those expect single files and these are actually directories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► and you can imagine that was pretty annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► when you couldn't really email these things around very easily through most email servers or email programs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► and certainly not through windows at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► If it had to bounce through windows you couldn't email these files around from this office suite of applications like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► that was a pretty stupid move really. And so then in the later version I think in the own nine version they moved to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► I believe it was just like a zip file. It was basically like it was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► If you do rescue I file there is a file that was just all that data shoved into this container which is a much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► way to do it and then with the new versions I think they didn't move back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► I think the new versions they were some kind of have to look this up and write this up and link to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► There were some kind of move it was a it was a move like a step backwards because the justification was this is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► to be easier to sync between i O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► and I Cloud documents and mac and everything because it's because of the structure they've picked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► Regardless the file formats of always kind of been a disaster that is changing radically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► and many times have had very weird decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► and it just seems like it seems like they used the I work team is not getting the resources it needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► or that it is not a higher priority for our work to ever be truly great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► and I use I work I don't use my forever because I hardly ever need Office programs so it's not worth me buying office. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► You know I just use I work stuff and get away with it just fine and I do use views I work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3835">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► As my only office suite for I don't know will be six seven years now so it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► I use this you know not not every day but I use it regularly and I know these programs pretty well now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► and they're just they're always like seventy five percent of the way there and they could be so good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► but it just seems like they don't get attention from Apple and I think what you're saying is true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► It's very fair what you're saying especially about things like you know the little me photo galleries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► and stuff like that like all the photo stuff that is very valid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► I think with I work I think it's mostly just an issue of these apps getting no love from Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► and secondarily them not caring about dropping that ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► but like it wouldn't surprise me at all if they were going to write in support for the for the new apps to rebuild [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► formats and it just got cut because they don't have the time because they didn't give this project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► and of resources from the beginning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3897">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► Well they have a thing where they put out a version to drop a huge number of features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► and then kind of back filled apologetically as time allowed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► Right yeah that's the that's one thirteen version which is still I think worse than the previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► and I don't like I don't use all of these things regularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► but I fall people are doing is like you know which used to be like the one the best program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► and that suite is like ever in those keynote is likely getting worse over time not better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► and that's something that Microsoft has always done so well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► One support backwards compatibility support for their file formats by forever basically like they are the masters of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► that and you know if you go to that extreme but you should be good at it at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► and it's not like my cousin didn't change their formats they went to you know as a file for the X.M.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► Stuff and you know Doc X. An excellent sex and all the stuff like they advanced. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► when they advance they tried to be compatible because like that's their big selling point if you make documents in Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► Office Michael's office a lot of them are like Office ninety seven came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► and like it was a split in form between ninety seven ninety five and people were freaking out or whatever I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3955">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► I'm of the exact details of the years I'm sorry got it wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► but then you know they condition their user base to accept the format will change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► and feel safe that not likely documents are going to become unreadable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► and Apple's doing a diff the opposite their conditioning all the users to fear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► and to not trust any important data to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► and the other thing Microsoft has done with a few bumps in the road like you know Word six of the mac an old saw that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► They tend to make their programs better with time to program to get faster documents open faster they have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► features they wouldn't like if one version of a program had really interesting typographic controls the next version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► the program were not drop all those features because like they're not possible I us are camped on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► or something like that would never do that there's no there's no major regression in functionality without some good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► reason like Oh we're we're definitely in the Access database so forget about that whole integration like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► but just just like hey this this thing adds a new ability to tweak the kerning on text in the next versions of yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4015">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► know like earning stuff forget it we to be pulled it out it's gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► and if you're going to talk you know that a custom kerning we're just going to show it a different way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► Over time the reason will of software as it gets better faster stronger you know it does not sort of stumble along OK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► linkages that you then relied on disappear with no explanation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► File formats get abandoned the navigation changes it looks in ways that are seem like a lateral moves items move around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► the interface for no discernible reason that is the web version you don't care about like other any like rabbit I work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► fans with the possible exception of Keynote which I think did I read advance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► and may still have them the rest of our just like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► You know what's funny is this wasn't listening to what Mark of it said about how I work you know eighty percent of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► way there I feel like so many of the things you just said about I work you could make a reasonable substitution of say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► I. A cloud or any number of other Apple software products. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► Heck even I was saved a lot of people I mean I I think I will say that's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► but you know yeah I think it's not fair for I was paid i Cloud like but I would say it is not worse than I was seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► and it adds a bunch of things that you felt like you would be happy if you had them like I was didn't stench that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► big thing. Sure sure no I'm on a different point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► You know my point was when when Marco was saying you know it's so close but it's not quite there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► but you know it seems like you could say that about a lot of things like so great example is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► and I was the ordering of the extensions in the share sheets I think that's what it is wherever the one password icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► lives how you could at least put one you had you could have a one password extension. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► Yet when you tried to reorder what the order of those extensions were the order got reset constantly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► Now I believe that's been fixed in the latest beta but that's a great example of how you were so close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4137">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► but then this is one really annoying thing that you didn't quite get right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► I think that's much closer than I work at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► and even i Cloud which I had stumbled on the long term you have to say i Cloud Drive versus basically everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► they've ever done with documents. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► I can't drive is better than a cloud get versus everything else they've done in the same room. It is better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► Maybe it's not there but you just want to see forward progress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► when you have a long running program like I work for a long running suite like I work that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► and around for a long time is not updated on sort of on a regular basis such that you just often wonder like of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► product dead or that is not going to do it anymore like i Life was the same way with a ring I like for the years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► and the name and then also new year would come and go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► and there'd be no new aisle I think like so is I live Still thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► and then they release a point update to give the over to working like well the Someone's got to be some of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► working on it because they're doing some work to make sure it works with the new US like vs Microsoft Office back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► its heyday especially was like regular updates you know they're going to keep trying to make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4196">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► Better maybe he'll disagree with something they've done or some weird interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► or they employed a new crazy man using an office because Microsoft is organized like a like a crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► I don't know what the right word is terrible and what her one hand and there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► but anyway they always look like they were developing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► and so many things with Apple are sort of like speculative abandonware just like Mark I was the one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► Probably like a guess but maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► and I don't I mean the macro is speculative abandonware hardware for the longest time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► but in software that seems like a lot of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► and you have to it has to be set at some point like maybe it has something to do with the fact that Apple feels like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► or can't sell the software anymore that everything has to be free that even the stuff that used to be four hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► dollars has to be seventy nine dollars now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► You know like if if I work could be priced at something other than when you guys are saying it's reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4254">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► and look at it like priced at some some price that is closer to sustainable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► Maybe it wouldn't really fund all that development but just something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► but if they feel like they just have to give it away for free is a perk to try to make their hard or valuable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4268">TS</a>]
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01:12:19 ◼ ► my work to to make the price of it matter much to their bottom line at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► But but it is very important to to push this to push the useless other platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► and you know not only not only from like an independent perspective like it's an insurance policy against Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► ever stopping making office for Macs. First of all and it's also to serve their I O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► Interest to say look at how useful like the i Pad which really need some help right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4361">TS</a>]
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01:12:57 ◼ ► exist on the i Pad Now it does but you know who knows if if it always will or how good it will always be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► and say look you can get for this for this one low price of this i Pad that might be three years old a five for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► one price you can get this i Pad and all this free software on it that's awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4394">TS</a>]
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01:13:29 ◼ ► goal is to make their hardware sell more units that would make most of their money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4409">TS</a>]
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01:13:40 ◼ ► The weird thing is that with Iowa State now they've essentially given Microsoft all the tools needed to do the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► that previously would save all the Apple display only apples are going to ever bother to make it an office type suite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4427">TS</a>]
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01:14:07 ◼ ► platform to using one driver whatever their services and having that integrated into i OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► and having that available on Macs and you know like not only Apple can do this now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4451">TS</a>]
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01:14:22 ◼ ► wants to sell is like we have a way for you to do word processing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4462">TS</a>]
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01:14:42 ◼ ► and so forth like that's what they're selling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4482">TS</a>]
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01:14:53 ◼ ► as attractive if they say oh well especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4493">TS</a>]
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01:15:00 ◼ ► know anything about numbers I don't know what this page thing is and it's weird and it's kind of buggy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4500">TS</a>]
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01:15:12 ◼ ► and all its troubles still has held to the contract of office like as a standard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4512">TS</a>]
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01:15:30 ◼ ► Where in this font differences there's a whole thing about the Macs being what is it January one thousand know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► but is different than a Windows box all your dates in your powerpoint to be offset in like there are always problems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► But Apple is not even it's not even a contender like there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4542">TS</a>]
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01:15:51 ◼ ► and not not a contender in this race and to put the devil's advocate for a second here. All the characters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4551">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► Six that make Microsoft so good and reliable at being an office software supplier. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► and unable to compete in a lot of consumer space because all those values like you need you need the opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► characteristics to make a lot of these to make a lot of great products in the spaces that we care more about these days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► But that being said you know a lot of Apple's problems are just botched execution or bad decisions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4577">TS</a>]
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01:16:49 ◼ ► they were moving forward they felt like they I think they miscalculated their power. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4609">TS</a>]
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01:17:30 ◼ ► forget about I work being like you know although I was never sustain yourself then the things were sold I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► props were much closer sustaining themselves as as you know marketable products in their own right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► and say like now you can't be two hundred dollars anywhere you go he said you know I'm boxes like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► and Max will charge and so now you know they're not sustainable and they get less updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► and produce anything didn't work out the way they wanted to and it just but a series of miscalculations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► and the pro apps are not are not things that are trying to help themselves are hardware. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4675">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► It is not that there's just too small of a market they were they were for Apple is for a while in the business of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► selling software to two pros and they seem to have sort of in the same way the law since you're selling X. or X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► or Raid and everything seemed to have lost interest in pro software cancelling programs there are the careful shake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► Proton I thought I thought I thought the proton was a good idea it just didn't quite work out as well for them as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► know stand it. Well exactly it's and that's you know this is the problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► The Apple hardware is like fire and also owners the hardware these days is great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► Last few years you see like almost every hardware product Apple has made in the last in the last three to five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► Like there's been very few exceptions to that and yet on the software side they're just crumbling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► and so many different fronts so frequently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► I really worry about them because it used to be that they move much more slowly and were much smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► but they had a solid reputation of reliability and ease of use and stability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4737">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► and all of this was that's what carried their brand for so long that's why people would buy Apple products because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4744">TS</a>]
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01:19:18 ◼ ► that everything would work better. Then in the in the P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4758">TS</a>]
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01:19:29 ◼ ► really bad or no I haven't used them in a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► but I think the Apple platform no longer has that that highground nearly as much as it used to if if it still has it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► Maybe not in the application space in the space like and I know a lot of people complain about somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► but you know like I said through like I upgrade all my machines sooner and sooner or later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► and I have great everything and it's just been remarkably problem free. I was eight not so much which is where. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4791">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► Because they're like more important platform. I was it was super buggy for me I still occasionally can't copy the U.R.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► and Paste it into another application I have no idea why I might one now has me insane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4806">TS</a>]
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01:20:25 ◼ ► this is stuff but then you look at their application software that's not part of the O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► Any applications over the non-profit Yes I think this came up on one of our progress in the past it was like Name an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4830">TS</a>]
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01:20:45 ◼ ► what it's like to be an automatic application. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► Name one that's not bundled with the OS and that used to be pretty easy to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► Like the whole I like it was pretty amazing it's like you know they are the original version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► and I thought this is an amazing application. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► Now I don't think anyone said that about i Phone no mo save anything I work suite like I don't think Apple is leading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► in software. By saying if you are awesome. These are the kind of mac apps you would make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4866">TS</a>]
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01:23:00 ◼ ► any Nintendo peripheral they make solid hardware in that like not to say it indestructible but it's pretty darn tough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► Like it feels like a solid thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► You can abuse it it does not fall apart in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/4990">TS</a>]
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01:23:50 ◼ ► I don't like having uniform buttons that are all the same size laid out in a diamond pattern because not everybody is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► equally important in games most have a main button in the secondary but encourage Cheri buttons. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5035">TS</a>]
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01:24:08 ◼ ► Pad which is much better and the triggers are probably better to and the build quality is maybe a little bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► It looks a little bit higher and the glossy finish on top or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► and of course it's wireless in the US be chargeable and all that modern technology type stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► but now that's why I don't like the way you've broken TROY That's why nobody likes to be perfect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► That's right nobody an entire universe what I'm saying is there's not a single person in the world like that where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► program trolls or even it's designer doesn't like it as right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► and the mother of the design of my please email John I was every time I say that I don't like like wait a second are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► you saying that nobody likes a control I like I had a pony you know that reference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► No no that's OK I gotta say I guess over games you enjoy life out of a culture that I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► but I think you tweeted a picture of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:52 ◼ ► Minton box Well it's in box anyway the box is moment and point as hasn't been opened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5092">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► How much that cost is not that much two hundred bucks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► No I don't think they were just two hundred dollars out of my phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► What courses await you know which is what you get what you want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► No I got the phone that everyone gets sixty four black space grey please. Right yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► Are you going to do case I already have the case is already here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► The phone is not the kind of life the black leather case you have exactly my phone or will have exactly my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► and mine. I considered getting a red one but I just kinda the case the colored cases do not wear gracefully. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► Like I I definitely think you're making the right move getting the case and I question whether making getting a six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► but no one said it instead of a six plus instead of a five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► Now c'mon I'm going to finally buy an iphone after like you know six years I'm going. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5153">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► By generational law not going to happen. I had one for a week I know what I'm getting into it I had to be surprised. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► So Marco if you were to buy a new phone tomorrow this success is out and you can get it in in four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► or four point whatever inches What are you buying that would. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► So does the smaller one have the same cameras the bigger one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► Sure it's identical in every way except that it's physically smaller battery life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► We'll call it a quick one because the screen is so much smaller and smaller. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► I think of this is that I still just drastically prefer the feel in the hand of the five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:43 ◼ ► but Golly I am getting nice a new screen and I am liking it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5203">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► Oh I like it when I'm using it unless I'm using it one handed like while walking around doing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► and unfortunately that's a pretty major role of a phone for most people so I just really it's like getting a seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5213">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► hundred have a care pro it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► Like it seemed like a good idea if you park it at a desk most of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► and don't bring it with you most of the time but if you're carrying it with you back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► and forth to work in a backpack every single day you might regret that decision. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► That might not be the best choice for you with a phone it's like you have to consider how it's actually used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► and yes a bigger screen is nicer while it's being used like two handed you know it's stationary it is indeed nicer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► but is it worth the tradeoff in portability in the sense that it makes it harder to use while portable for a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► people and obviously that's an individual decision for people who are going back to the five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► or Who are still using the five S. and Not upgrading. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► I totally get that decision I totally respect that decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► and I've almost made that decision I think I will ultimately stick with the six but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► and I have come very close to going back to the five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► Because every time I pick it up I think not only does it look way better but it just feels so much better to use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5274">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► And yes it does look tiny but everything I do is a million times faster. My group is more secure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► I can reach everything it's in it's less frustrating to the fact is as I said earlier i O S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► and I was apps are still largely designed with the assumption that you can always reach all four corners. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► So many important buttons are up on the upper corners that are hard to reach on a six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► and that maybe over time that changes but we're not there yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► Both in the OAS and all the apps and it's going to be a while. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► So I think in the future this might be easier to use a larger phone because like the software will be it will be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► you know finger local in a lot of ways. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► It will it will assume that your only hold in the bottom two thirds of the phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► But until that point and that point is not here yet this you know and again and when the watch comes and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► when your phone is less often needed to be used one handed you know if you can do certain things in the watch that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► would previously take your phone in your pocket to do while walking somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5336">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► or doing something then again that will also help. But we're not there yet either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► So I think for this year it makes sense for a lot of people who are sensitive to this to not upgrade at the six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5346">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► and then maybe next year we'll see what happens you know as as the environment around it changes as we get the watch as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► we get different software considerations. We'll see what happens but as of today I think it's a tough call. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► Well if you consider the rumored mix of six and six plus I don't know this is a rumor or announce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► but I've seen numbers thrown around that make the mix of six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► and six Plus look WAY closer to fifty fifty I ever thought it would be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► Do you know any sources of authority or numbers or have heard similar rumors. I haven't anybody with any credibility. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► I forget where I thought I mean I'm assuming I sort of like maybe a Simco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► or maybe some related thing I don't know I don't know if the lover tells them next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► but we're pretty confident they say is that I think we would have heard a story if it turned out the five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5391">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► Massively you know like the people weren't getting the sex that that all the hardcore people are buying five Ss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► and it was just a crazy I mean and the thing against the five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► Now is not so much just that it's older and slower but also no Apple Pay right known and of C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► and So if Apple does continue to make a smaller line which stops for grabs for they do if they gave it feature parity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► then it would be like the i Pads where last year despite the size if you had three sizes to pick from they would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► really covered pretty much every base you can imagine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:31 ◼ ► Well and the Apple pay again that's another thing where you have to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5431">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► and say well it's you know Apple has just launched it is still not supported widely yet you know in a year from now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► then a lot of like a lot of American places will of will replace their terminals at the new tuxes terminals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► and everything so you have more that like I feel like over time the usefulness of the larger phones will grow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► But today it's more of a tough call. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► That also being said all of this is not to say they won't sell well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5456">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► or that they aren't selling well it's just like the T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► In the store bright picture problem like people are going to buy these things in large numbers regardless of whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► they're actually easy easy or better to use than the smaller ones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5470">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► We're doing this is pent up demand of people who knew that and wanted a bigger phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► Oh yeah you know like like they knew it was like they were speculating like I think I might like a better phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► or like maybe they were coming from a bigger phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► and there's like I would buy the i Phone except if you Smaug the whole reason they needed a bigger phone so I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► the number probably read them to be in a chat room said the team mobile C.E.O. Said it was close to fifty fifty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► Obviously he can only report on his own sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► but if that's true we try to find a link to it that is that is always one data point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► Yeah I mean who knows what the truth is I think you're right that we'll probably never know I do think it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► interesting if you know if a large apps with analytics packages they could start tracking things you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► or large analytics company like they start publishing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5517">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► Like what you know what is flirty say you know what percentage of that they're installed on is this versus this model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:05 ◼ ► like that we can definitely will get will have that information and we know if we don't already have it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5525">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► But again I think we're going to do fine with this and that's fine and in the future I might be better to use them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► but that doesn't make it doesn't these large phones a great solution today for a lot of priorities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► and look a lot of people are very happy with them a lot of people love these things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► I was even one of the people saying I want bigger phone and I jump to get one as soon as I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► but maybe maybe there's a better point between four point zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► and four point seven That's a pretty big range you know it may be maybe a four point three would be great you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:44 ◼ ► and I don't for four four point seven is the compromise I like shaving into they're going to be like you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5564">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► So it comes down to you know just upgrade them next year contract with my week with the with the six years I think what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► happened was that I just upgraded my hand motions I upgraded my little hand genetics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► and you hold the phone differently than everybody else in the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:08 ◼ ► Well you know the moves you do to to get to the party activists like you said the software just isn't updated I'm using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5588">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► apps that were made for at best the i Phone five screen and at worst you know the smaller three point five inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► and I upgraded my my hand moves so much so that oh I mean I got a smaller one I would find myself starting to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► hand move that I need to do to hit the Done button and Twitter if I can realize I don't need to do that move. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► I can go back to my other move to do you know I think that will mostly take care of itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► but I like the reason I think I'm not bothered by this because once I sort of upgrade all my you know my hands move set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► then it's fine I mean I think the only persistent bothersome thing about the i Phone six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► or eight was how much room it took out took in whatever pocket I had it in because that didn't go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:53 ◼ ► Yeah I could always felt like it was bigger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5633">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► It was more it was taking up more if I put in my friend's jeans pocket is more likely to feel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5635">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► Under stress if I sat down on a pair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► and bending it is in my coat pocket it pokes out a little bit farther than the other one did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:05 ◼ ► but that I think we're going over because I really do use mine more like a little mini tablet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5645">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► So do you think that will ever come a time that if you think back to the tweenie days Polder refresh wasn't a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► and then learned Richter did it with Tweedy and then it became a thing where it literally became a system level thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► So do you think there may come a time where I.O.'s transitions to a back button at the bottom of the screen kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:39 ◼ ► layout be it because some popular applique Tweetie doesn't everyone embraces it or perhaps because the S.T.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5679">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► Changes and suddenly tab bars at the top enjoyed style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► and back buttons at the bottom do you think that would ever happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► I think they're going for the you know the system back gesture like that's their attempt to say yes you know paradigm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5694">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► for navigation instead of having a tool bar that you have to reach back button is really hard to find. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► but I think that swipe is I know I almost never do it it is not obvious even if you show somebody else they don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► Yeah I just pretty much almost never do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► and I don't think it's type of thing that if you show somebody they will do all the time because it's not reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► depends on which application using whether it works or not and it's it is a fairly precise gesture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► It's not there's not a lot of slop on it because if you just do a swipe sideways that may do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► but it's not the back one that has to involve the edges like I think is too much nuance to it so I think what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► saying Casey is more likely that application developers will especially of the six plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5736">TS</a>]
01:35:42 ◼ ► and that they like super popular they'll have to redesign their applications to be inside like the thumb the thumb hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5742">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► zone like where you can reach where you know put everything that's important within reach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:54 ◼ ► and then suddenly the phone doesn't feel as big anymore because the apps are designed not to have you do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5754">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► It is that the does that weather is moving everything to the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:02 ◼ ► or you know I remain I don't know what the solutions are to reachability that we nodded That's like a hack that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5762">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► sure a few people might use but that's not the best solution. Yeah I am hoping that the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► and we standardize on you know is novel doing it even if just like you know the hamburger buns thing which Apple is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► popular as imagine like you said pull the refresh you know come out of the third party world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► and have it be some kind of consensus and have all the applicants are to look the same in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:31 ◼ ► and that's that's plausible. Now in other news Marco have you played with your retina. I'm back at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5791">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► Yamuna right now. Oh and yeah I've been using a full time for about two days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:42 ◼ ► Oh I did realize and things are amazing or whatever. Oh my God it's amazing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5802">TS</a>]
01:36:47 ◼ ► Good oh my god it's yeah it's amazing there's so there's actually a few things that I'm that I've had to change as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5807">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► result of going to retina that are very very boring so I want to tell you about them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5816">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► So the first thing is that's that's fair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► So as there are no as with you some of the stuff this is also a pretty assembly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:11 ◼ ► So as John has pointed out you know somebody takes cues from the desktop wallpaper to do most of it's blurriness so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5831">TS</a>]
01:37:20 ◼ ► please email john with the details of how I got that wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5840">TS</a>]
01:37:23 ◼ ► So the problem is before for years I've used just like a static like medium gray background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5843">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► and I've put a whole bunch of crap my desktop now you know I see them in the desktop it's John's disaster scenario it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► like everything is in the desktop and Yosemite if you have a solid color desktop it has some drab dark color. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► Many windows wilt will pick it up in some little way and just look terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:46 ◼ ► You know you've had these awful I mean John you saw this right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5866">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► and you testing in the you know I can do my back going to work as a pest pumpkins pumpkins are nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:55 ◼ ► and beautiful in orange but they make everything look terribly sick and rusty. Well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5875">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► Like like you can't just do a solid color a flat color background even that because even the flat color backgrounds now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:06 ◼ ► will make a many things you somebody look terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5886">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► If you want to if you want to get away from this effect use a background that has an awful white colors in it like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:15 ◼ ► it has like blue sky with fluffy white clouds your menu bar will look sane. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5895">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► and menus will look that crazy maybe maybe though it looks like the color temperature on your monitor is off because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► That's what that's what I have here at home I have to get some background that has a white sky with all the counts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► moving up the top of my menu bar looks OK and the menus I pull down from it was a little blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:39 ◼ ► but like the Something about anything it's like brown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5919">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► or green it just it just makes the whole interest look sick like it's like a cow syndrome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► or for your mac funny that you mention that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► So basically I have I tried a few a few different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► and what I've come to is I started using the wallpaper I've been using on my retina my pro Pro since I got it in twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5933">TS</a>]
01:38:59 ◼ ► twelve which is a bright sky blue photo I took in New Zealand of the bright sun lit sky and a bright blue ocean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5939">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► and so it is nice like sunny bright blue picture and it's crisp and looks amazing on the retina resolution. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:17 ◼ ► It's fantastic for this purpose because it is it works with everything as you said like you know a light blue color is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5957">TS</a>]
01:39:23 ◼ ► great for this. I also then had to declare my desktop because look terrible is covered in the files. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5963">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► And even they change the i Tunes icon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:33 ◼ ► They also change the file like if you have an M P three get the i Tunes file icon so it all sons have everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5973">TS</a>]
01:39:39 ◼ ► and I used to have a blue dot on it as a big shining red Japanese flag all of you to stop. Yeah so it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5979">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► So I clean up my desktop like that had to change also because that was part of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► Also my my monospaced font had to change because I was a monocle hold out all those years I was doing Monaco not anti [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/5990">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► In council ATA I haven't tried that yet so right now I'm on Menlo because I basically inherited what I've been doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► and that existed so I remember I went from Monaco ten men little eleven I had to go up a size also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► and part of that is because of the just looks better on retina and part of that is because I'm going. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► I went from a thirty inch screen to a twenty seven so I have a a decrease in the size of elements on screen because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:27 ◼ ► but three inches smaller diagonal so it actually is like everything is noticeably a little bit smaller. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6027">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► But other so so I actually like I'm fitting less per line in Xcode after change when line wrap settings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:38 ◼ ► and adjust my standards and everything on the same point with a thirty inch. Yeah twenty five sixty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6038">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► Really you know it will be shorter vertically but horizontal got a marriage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► Yeah yeah I've been I've been thinking about what I'm going to go to because I'm also a bit mad Monica Hall that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► still on that map on a go and I'm Bob if they want to go right now that is not tenable any more thought to make it fun. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6054">TS</a>]
01:40:59 ◼ ► You're a nine. Well I was always ten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6059">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► Monica Monica nine has been my five hard core since this is the old days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► when lower case Allen Cavil I looked exactly the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► but I have a hard core Monica nine years there's been a that's been the biggest difference like so like you know now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► I'm basically using like this this like clean wallpapered beach scene computer with all these big smooth fonts on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► compared to my old like super geek Monaco pixel font but I got used to it very quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:26 ◼ ► and then so so to find that arrived today and I've been I've been back and forth her computer setting it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6086">TS</a>]
01:41:32 ◼ ► and going from her old computer to her new one I keep having to briefly use her twenty seven inch thunderbolt display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6092">TS</a>]
01:41:40 ◼ ► which is of course a non retina the same size very similar finish to macro is less glossy but it's still reflective. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6100">TS</a>]
01:41:52 ◼ ► and the twenty seventh on a boat is no slouch it's a very good looking monitor like my old my big thirty inch H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6112">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► You're always had you know far more drab colors and you know worse contrasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► and everything then this awesome little twenty seven a certificate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:08 ◼ ► Well now that I was using the retina for I was using it for one day and I go to see his monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6128">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► and it just looks like complete garbage like you see every pixel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► It's like it looks like you're going back to DOS like it's it you can't believe how much worse it looks like once once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6137">TS</a>]
01:42:24 ◼ ► every screen you see all day is retina. When you see that in one hundred no one it is shocking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6144">TS</a>]
01:42:31 ◼ ► Like it's a it's a big big difference. So yeah that's how it's going I'm loving it it's great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6151">TS</a>]
01:42:37 ◼ ► There is fan noise not in not in most workloads but if you if you stress the C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6157">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► Use for more than about a minute or so like of using handbrake to go to video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:49 ◼ ► or something like that if you match all the C.P.U.'s for more than about a minute you will hear the fan spin up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6169">TS</a>]
01:42:55 ◼ ► and I would say the overall noise level is similar to the Retina MacBook Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6175">TS</a>]
01:43:00 ◼ ► when it spun up so it's like a nice kind of like medium. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6180">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► It sounds more like white noise than the old fans like cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:08 ◼ ► and sounds more like white noise it has the essential blade I assume to do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6188">TS</a>]
01:43:15 ◼ ► But and it is it is not I would not call it loud but you do definitely hear it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6195">TS</a>]
01:43:22 ◼ ► And it it is I would say it's very similar to that to the finish right of my pro under full load. So it's finite. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6202">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► I'll see in practice over time if that ends up being a problem while recording this pod cast I've been monitoring the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► and it has not gone above its idle speed during this entire time so I'm not worried about things like this being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:45 ◼ ► You know if I have to encode a bunch of video or something with it it's the reality is I need C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6225">TS</a>]
01:43:52 ◼ ► Speed but I usually need it in short bursts like compiling an X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6232">TS</a>]
01:43:56 ◼ ► Code or encoding the M P three for the show like I need it in short. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6236">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► First and so I don't think the fan noise is ever really going to be a huge problem for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► but I'll see what happens like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:07 ◼ ► This might be the one factor that in two years makes me want a new macro that can drive the new five case analytically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6247">TS</a>]
01:44:13 ◼ ► but we'll see. For now I'm very very happy with this. IMAX or everyone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6253">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► Some like that but also for I really do start snowing. How are you still awake on time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:25 ◼ ► I am absolutely dying from honest it should be less of a hardship for you because day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT-8Fsk/6265">TS</a>]