00:00:00 ◼ ► it's scary and I don't like it helped me we missed a lot this week or last week I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► guess I was here he says with not a hint of bitterness no of course not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/6">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► John better now surely not I did want to mention quickly the the Dave Morin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/12">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► vanity fair thing because I think from what I can tell based on some things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/19">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► I've seen you know both from him making a few little comments here and there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/26">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► a few other people including the magazine's esteemed editor Glenn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/31">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► Fleishman who who apparently talked a little bit more it sounds like it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/35">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► like it was pretty overblown like it sounds like the Vanity Fair reporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/40">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► might have been exaggerating or taking some of those things really far out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/45">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► context or mangled them somewhat so I want to give the guy a little bit of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/49">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► benefit of the doubt and as i've i've had reporters Mangal stuff I've told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/53">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► them and it is terrible because it makes you look like a total douche and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/60">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► certainly his his thing to look that way you know we don't really know how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/65">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► of that he really said and how bad it really is so I do want to give the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/73">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► with the benefit of doubt and just you know maybe the NM float the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/78">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► that might not have been entirely accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/82">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► sounds like it probably wasn't I don't know could you could any human being be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/85">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► that much of a colossal jerk without intending it means I don't know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/92">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► so much of a jerk because like if I had given those answers and people have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/97">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► complained about me giving those answers I feel like I could defend him I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/102">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► didn't read the whole thing but I saw most of the quotes and they did seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/108">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► ridiculous but assuming they're talking about real things I would say to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/111">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► people who didn't like them you know come at me bro like to do you get two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/116">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► phones you got one for the day and one for the night I guess I don't like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/121">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► battery pack makes my phone bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/124">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► and so have I have two phones and I can't charge it all day cuz I'm running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/126">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► around her meeting to meeting so having two phones let me help lets me have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/130">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► skinnier like that you could defend it and it actually did defend that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/133">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► particular point hehe sentence in some Twitter at reply to somebody that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/136">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► he really said was that he has said he you know he does have two iPhones which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/140">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► is ridiculous but he is also a very successful tech company CEO so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/144">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► it's not like you know it goes with the territory it to some degree but he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/149">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► what the reason he has to is is one of them for only work stuff and only work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/153">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► apps and the other one for only personal stuff so that he can like leave work at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/158">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► work and not be destroyed my personal website that actually ok you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/162">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► still don't really ever see myself having two iPhones even if money was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/167">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► object but I could see why he would do that it's not it's not a great solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/171">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► but like you I would feel like you could explain it and defended now what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/175">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► can't explain and defend is i mean assuming the courts are accurate is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/180">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► saying those things in the context of interviewing not thinking people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/184">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► going to sound think you sound like a tool like he would you have to certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/188">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► things need to be provide context and if you don't think you're gonna be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/191">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► provide that context or you know like this not the right forum to do that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/195">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► say you're talking with your friends about how you manage your phone's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/199">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► the time to pop though I have one for working on home selling access not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/202">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► extravagant cost wise and it is kind of annoying about it has lots of problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/205">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► picking stuff up between the phones is up but that's the context were you bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/209">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► this up you don't bring it up in like hey we're talking to you for magazines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/212">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► really like this not the time to bring that up so he made some strategic errors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/215">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► and went to bring things up and the the OSB on the offensive defensive and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/219">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► could say that as a joke but mostly you keep your ringer off because you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/223">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► be disturbed during the day and the person says and ask you eyes a lot you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/227">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► know the offense think it's a funny joke but if you just see the words written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/230">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► there like he's dead serious he thinks you know the one of the theories I heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/235">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► right the beginning reference published somebody said that it looks like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/238">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► might just controlling them and if you go into that theory and you read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/243">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► again you can kind of see that that's that's actually why I would say that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/248">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► equally plausible as he's that much of a douche [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/253">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► how are you told me that we discuss this when I when I first arrived in New York [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/259">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► last weekend when you first said maybe it's possible so I really mean I I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/264">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► the way more likely answer is that he wasn't trying to intentionally told him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/271">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► and he isn't that much of a douche and the real answer is it was just blown out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/275">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► of proportion by the reporter that he might not be that self-aware like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/280">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► could if you are that's true it's hard to tell I mean look at look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/283">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► picture of the picture he got himself he does like college this dick up and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/287">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► is true and the pictures are kind of precious and like you would think like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/292">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► someone who is just a little bit more self-aware and perhaps not as not as CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/297">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► like I couldn't put a picture of myself like that like I would I don't know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/304">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► a tough call but you know this is a this is a nine-story innuendo rules coming go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/309">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► and I don't fault him as a person for any of this silliness speaking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/314">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► silliness I guess let's go chronologically Facebook home I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/318">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► know what to make of that and I was never big into Facebook although it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/325">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► seems from what I can tell that both you guys even at your peak like Facebook a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/332">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► lot less than I like facebook but I i mean i look at it a few times a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/337">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► because it's it seems socially awkward not to never looked at Facebook ever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/342">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► that's exactly my point is that I think I i at my peak certainly and even now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/349">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► probably have embraced it more than I think either of you gentlemen but and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/353">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► think I could get away without ever looking at it and certainly Aaron and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/358">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► have mostly the same circle of friends so she could keep me updated on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/362">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► eight hundred people that are having babies right now but I don't know I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/366">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► I couldn't imagine an entire phone experience based solely off of what all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/371">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► my friends are doing and furthermore it seems to me like one of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/375">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► society's challenged with these days that sounded way overblown but on a roll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/380">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► with it now is that you're never in the moment you're always worrying about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/384">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► your Instagram followers are commenting on and liking and so on and so forth in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/390">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► this seems to just make that even worse I dunno I just don't get it I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/394">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► depends on like you know for me one of the reasons why I've never gotten into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/400">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► Facebook Like I have an account but I've never been active in fact my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/404">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► created the account for me when we got engaged so that she would have something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/411">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► to point yeah exactly that's why that's when I got my account that's why she did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/416">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► it but I've never really been active because it's it's not that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/422">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► fundamentally objective the product I don't I don't really care either way on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/429">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► that front it's that Facebook is set up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/432">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► to inflate the idea of people you know and people whose content you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/438">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► follow online and to me though those are very much not overlapping circles and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/444">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► and I think that's true for a lot of people and that's why I like the beauty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/451">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► of Twitter at first Facebook didn't even have a symmetric following I think now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/454">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► it does anyone know for sure that's a little and it you know you want to block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/460">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► me in like like maybe once every two or three months to answer some message from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/466">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► somebody that I probably should answer the email inflation and and so I every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/470">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► time I log in there is like a totally different interface and it confuses the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/477">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► crap out of me and I i never know how to do anything or what's going on or where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/480">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► man yeah I need the kids to explain it to me that's the way the kids to explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/484">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► to me I know I know and knowing product when I see this is why I know all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/494">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► things it can do and I can't figure out how to do the eventual I just did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/498">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► want to do them and I don't do not want is my reactions like I had to stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/501">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► myself from liking our people get you know there they get all angry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/507">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► Apple just angry at Apple in like you just mentioned I hate Apple they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/512">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► getting I have to stop myself from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/517">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► good feeling about Facebook or not I said do like four times anyway we can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/519">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► like everytime someone mentions anything about Facebook gets here in passing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/527">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► this voice matters men Facebook like just like a website where people do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/532">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► stuff and they enjoy things that's a good way for people to connect the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/538">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► people you know not everyone can have their own website and it's a way for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/541">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► people to post pictures to each other and social like my rational brain knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/543">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► my facebook resistance popular but the other part of me it's visceral hatred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/547">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► will anyone and I really don't like you know it it's one thing to say this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/550">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► website where people can can communicate like you know tumblr is is a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/556">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► same things for people so you know I got to see that develop and and and i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/560">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► what's different with things like Tumblr vs things like Facebook is that Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/565">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► is one of these companies which we've we've had a few of these in our history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/569">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► of this industry it's one of these companies where if something is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/572">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► having some success they want a piece of it too and they can't stand not to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/578">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► the market and the originator of this was Microsoft and then in our industry I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/584">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► would say like I don't think I like the previous giants like IBM I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/591">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► they were much worse August so far because it would do anything like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/596">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► anyone became remotely popular we're going to one of those and Facebook at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/603">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► least it's like lots of people go off and do lots of other things but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/606">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► I didn't make a music player in the iPod was popular tablet I mean like the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/610">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► you know they're not as like Microsoft like anybody does anything even if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/617">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► looks like they're gonna fail will make a failure profitable excited just just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/622">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► in case you know what let's merge with NBC to or whatever the future things on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/625">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► TV they're not as desperate as that type of vibe where a company gets big enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/633">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► and I i think is a rational thing Google and Facebook is like a look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/641">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► we are big and successful but if we're just content to be what we are we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/645">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► going to get left behind and so all the companies are looking to see what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/650">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► next thing is going to be and like you know Google decided look we need to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/654">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► something with social and I can refocus their entire company on Google+ and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/659">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► Facebook already the king of social said you know we see that the carrier week is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/662">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► in mobile and that is not going away it's going to be a big thing we got we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/667">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► gotta figure out something there so I think it's a reasonable strategy for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/670">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► companies who are very large not to be happy with what they are just get better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/673">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► I did but to look for the play the other things but not everything out like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/678">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► game console do not like you know doing things that are grocery store house or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/683">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► whatever like what everybody's doing stuff like that like there they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/689">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► picked a reasonable thing I think like look we have to be in mobile if we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/692">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► not in mobile we're screwed long-term so they're doing something well the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/695">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► they're doing it though and this is this is partly why I brought up the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/699">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► sprawl argument the way they're doing it is seemingly designed with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/703">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► assumption that everyone using it exclusively uses Facebook or primarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/708">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► uses Facebook as their communication mechanism to anybody and and it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/714">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► like I'm part of that might just be like blindness to people who only partially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/720">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► care about Facebook or communicate with some of their friends on Facebook and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/728">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► some not and part of it might be an effort to actively extinguished that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/731">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► kind of use and to convert those people to like to spread the tentacles and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/736">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► bring them in and kind of railroad them into using Facebook for way more of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/741">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► communications a previously reduced through other channels like text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/746">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► messaging or anything else and and and that that kind of the wrong way like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/749">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► that and so it just ignorance where they're where they're just thinking well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/755">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► of course everyone who uses Facebook only uses Facebook and that's one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/760">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► I don't think they're that stupid though Facebook has shown extremely good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/763">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► sense product sensibilities skills in in getting people in keeping them there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/769">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► so I don't think you can be any Facebook moved to stupidity I think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/776">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► they're very very smart people running a company and so Microsoft you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/781">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► they have extremely smart people and companies so so they know exactly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/788">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► they're doing and I think it's very clear what they're doing here they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/791">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► they are extinguishing or at least attempting to extinguish any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/794">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► communication methods on the phones that have been infected by this this home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/801">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► thing all the old stuff is still there too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/807">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► well they're they're trying to bury it is likely to be there to like they you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/810">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► know if they don't know if they're not assembling at least you know SMS text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/817">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► messaging or whatever other thing people using at least a sibling with that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/822">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► you have to launch the Facebook app and that their subordinate to the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/826">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► the phone experience kinda like they are on iOS right they they think they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/829">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► at least be assembling with those things and since Android allows you to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/833">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► over the lock screen stopped now they look like they're out in front of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/837">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► everything else but I still call that a sibling just because the first thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/840">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► see it still like alongside the other stuff maybe I don't know why I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/843">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► we'll see how it plays out because 11 very careful I now have to walk is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/849">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► they do go too far in that direction of being too aggressive and and not working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/854">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► very well or making the phone not work very well if you wanna do a lot of non [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/860">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► Facebook communication that if they go too far in the direction of fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/863">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► installs of this thing and fewer sales of those phones that have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/867">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► pre-installed so you know they have to walk that line somewhat I i guess i to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/871">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► see how this plays out and to see like you know does this is this still roughly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/876">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► the same kind of thing in six months or a year and how many people are using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/882">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► you know the thing I was thinking about her home and for another topic openly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/886">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► talk about a blog posts doing on this and it will go ahead and spoil the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/891">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► blog post because it involved utensil there's not that much overlap it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/895">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► to be able to read the blog and people listen to the podcast because often they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/900">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► choose not to blog something that I podcast about any two people are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/903">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► talking about anyway so in both these situations the kind of like an RTS a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/908">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► little bit and the recent that the resource that is critical to victory in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/915">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► the realm of both Facebook home and also in the WebKit blink thing is developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/922">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► they need to mind for more developers basically and there is something about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/928">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► in that respect and talk about developers to make this stuff is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/931">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► homer and like all this is just a precursor they're gonna for pandering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/939">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► they're going to do their own tests right they would you like me now but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/941">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► clearly they're gonna they're gonna make their own phone OS and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/944">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► thanks google for giving us a head start with Android will take what you gotta go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/947">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► after injection kinda like blanketed with WebKit right but same thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/952">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► Samsung or Samsung's working on their Android part thanks cool for all of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/957">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► hard work now we're off to the races haha school you go making all the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/960">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► you're screwed like they can't they can't beat Facebook with Google+ and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/963">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► they can they can make money off and rugged Samsung song all the phones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/967">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► they cannot profit so far google did all the work to make Android and other ppl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/970">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► stolen did what they wanted like that's one narrative about this thing but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/973">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► the case of Samsung and Facebook I had to think like you know does Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/977">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► have the skill to say thanks go were taken and it would take a miracle for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/984">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► can go off on her own and they support a platform committee develop an OS on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/988">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► going too well but the whole thing like okay you either forked in which case ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/993">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► merging with the next version of Android the Google puts out you will divert G [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► Wilfork you will split is not you will not be able to benefit from the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► work the Google does are very difficult for you otherwise you're not forcing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► otherwise you're just piggybacking so people can make their own a lesson will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► you're giving up being able to do say merges with the next major version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1016">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► and really you're either going to be the platform owner or you're not right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► Google's the platform or they may do they continue to make it the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► version of the OS comes from and the other people say okay we'll come up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► the next major version lets integrated and screwed up in some way immoral crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► on it right and that's what Facebook is doing now but for kids become master of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► only OS we make our own OS it used to be based on Android get whatever but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► we support the developers like to the point where you could have application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► compatibility diversion some point the future because that's what a fork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► eventually leads to ya all this one works on Facebook so as but not unlike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► regular Android none Samsung and I don't think Facebook has the ability to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► platform owner they do you know maybe they can hire up that ability certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► didn't have the ability to to make a well-designed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► designers but right now I don't think Facebook has the ability to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► platform because that is a high bar like how many how many sets of successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► platform owners have we seen in our industry Microsoft Apple Google and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► Facebook they they don't they're not making any of this I'm talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► that's the thing is that it is a very big distinction but to kind of set that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► aside just for a moment I mean it when I remember back to the original days of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► Facebook where it was completely Facebook controlled there were no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► absolute no freakin farmville or anything like that it was a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► different it was a very different place that was really about sharing your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► and at that point it wasn't yet about throwing away all of your privacy or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► it was that it would they were quiet about it but now able to your point it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► not a creative platform but it's still too large to create a platform you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► all these different apps if you would call them that running on and on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► their platform and they've done a lot to they've done a lot of kind of wild [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► things in order to make their platform work and what comes to mind in this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► is kinda what you guys are saying about them having some really bright people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► there and Mark I presume you would know better than i didnt they write like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► PHP to C++ cross compiler something like that but that's that's service i'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► a web platform and they haven't API platform like writing an OS like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► have a hardware device and you want the operating system on the hardware devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► you build up in layers from the thing controlling the cell radio to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► graphics system to every other products nos actual native iOS and Google is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► doing all that work now well not quite a stir with Linux I mean I know but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► the didn't for clinics right right now it's like if they have a base foundation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► to follow but when you do the OS part like that's that's where you're making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► the API in the new version has a different API for scrolling is different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► but it's not just feel like that's OS development and all that annoying crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► alike are you gotta have API documentation he got a developer program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► STK gonna make sure the tools worth all the crap that Apple does all the crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► the Google does her it's cool don't like and you've got to develop the OSU have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► to make a better year after year they want a new major version that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► something better that has faster graphics that uses the GPU better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► API's it takes a lot of people a lot of skill and expertise to do that and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► not easy and I don't like Amazon is exactly how they fork tender to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► their songs you know they thought that is their own thing they don't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► skills in house to be to develop their own arrest there inevitably they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► gonna have to either just been it's like I'm losing very dead end the slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► evolves in whatever direction they want or they're gonna have to do some super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► painful resync or another reform or something but clearly I am actually I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► think they actually have like cold more recent changes from Google into their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► version already likes of for some of the newer devices I'm pretty sure somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► told me that they had done that but they're doing that they're not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► much of a fork at that point then you just kind of like your dinner some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► the people who is taking over 200 zone mutating internal I Q U R E there you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► were there have your own unless you don't like are you depended on google or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► not like if Google decides we're not developing and retaining more are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► screwed that's that's how you can tell whether you are really a master of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► own destiny like Apple's not relying on anyone to develop the rest Microsoft is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► not relying on the other is Google like but if Google just sold his arm says you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► know what nevermind that enters ever gonna stop developing it everyone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► makes an Android device who who is a has been using like Android in any form of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► but the next year when album comes out with a new version of their mobile us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► but what will we do look like well you know someone could quote from Watchmen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► right now if they knew the quote but I don't but you know it's also induce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► well I think it's an independent it's worth considering what happens in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► not not nothin Google stopped developing in just like a thought exercise to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► if you really are independent but what if they take a close source that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► the trouble even less likely than stopping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► is it so the licensing prevents them from actually doing that and I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► forward basis I think they can just close the door and say ok what we really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► so far as open but going forward all that will be closed if Amazon can do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► why can't I don't think Amazon everything I i dont no licensing issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► involved but this seems very unlikely like legally speaking and even if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► legally like politically imagine what would happen there I get much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► likely that they will use their their licensing agreements with the Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► services to be like you know like if you want to be able to use the Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► services with your thing and be certified as an Android device and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► the other tools they have to put people and lines they've been trying to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► like carriers to stop mucking up their awesome stuff they probably will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► continue to turn the screws on those but that doesn't do anything against like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► Amazon probably because they like you know you can't even call your thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► rhetoric ok well you can even use the Google Play Store story like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► know what kind of screws they can turn out as I don't think the complaint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► closed closed source but that same type of deal say they didn't a close source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► if you always under sweating bullets because you realize you do not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► people who can develop maintain support like mobile OS which is incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► complicated thing right then you realize oh geez we really were a parasite on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► Google which may have been bad for googling great for you when it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► happening but realize that's what you are so everyone was clamoring for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► facebook you know for a Samsung forgiving Samsung is even less likely to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► be able to develop their own mobile OS right that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► both of them could step up to do it like Facebook just bought which was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► company run by I'm at Sangam pronouncing his name correctly the author of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► gigantic Mac OS 10 internals book that's off to my right right now he's a smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► guy heavily into OS as he did this like stealth startup that we don't even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► what they're doing with a bunch of the smart people on Facebook bought them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► this afternoon the like you know now he's got interested now Facebook has an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► internal team so maybe they are stepping up for a bit like that's that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► resources they need to mind 40 if you want to be independent of Google and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1436">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► a player in the mobile space along with you know Apple Microsoft rim and Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► whoever you want to stay out there who has actually a mobile platform you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► got to be master of your own destiny and do that I wonder though you know it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► think it's worth it's worth considering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► let's say something happen with Google Earth Android or something something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► happened where it forced Amazon to no longer be able to pull changes from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► Google whatever whatever it is whether it's going close source or whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► becomes really impossible things do it or Google to something else who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► but suppose amazon has do basically get stuck with what they have so far and any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► let stagnate forever and just you know build a minor things on top of it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► OS team to to develop that which is a major undertaking as you said how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► do you think they could go without doing that like how long do you think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► could keep selling Kindle branded tablets and maybe even eventually phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► while keeping the same rough version of Android they have now and just doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► minor tweaks of it as necessary over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► couple years probably I'm thinking I might be like 10 years because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► about I know things are matured a little bit it's not like horrendously slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► whatever but you know hardware just in terms of hardware support hardware moves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► on like it you know ten years on the phones are you using 64 bit system on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► chips and they're gonna have a 32 bit OS and so like right away just forget it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► you need to do something they're not gonna be maybe those those chips only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► one run 32 bits like you have that the solution for fat by areas and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► may be different architecture may be there on x86 thank God knows what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► gonna happen ten years there they cannot last that long but a couple of years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► they could do it and by the end of that run it would be like boy this really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► doesn't already feels clunky and slow awesome now so they don't have a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► cushion but nobody buys the Amazon Harbor because it's good it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► actually really really quite terrible in most ways but the heart and nobody buys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► it for that either by Evan stuff because of price and because the Amazon content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► ecosystem that's those are the two in that order those are the two big reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► why people buy the Amazon stuff I wish I knew how many people are actually buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► Kindle Fire tablets and how those people how many people were using them like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► tablets not just as a way to play Angry Birds and read books over John it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► record number of of Kindle buyers this year it's like percent more than last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► year and last year it was the number one selling product on Amazon I like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► pay attention to them until they come to play right reading fine they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► doing I assume they're doing well now because I don't see anyone else being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► dominant in the reading space but in the tablet space they seems like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► just haven't really committed but they like Amazon as patients so they keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► doing what they're doing and I don't doubt like of all the company's amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► has shown that it's willing to step up to do crazy stuff you know so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► someday they will be you know Jeff Bezos to wake up and say you know what we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► as team higher everybody we won't be able to make any money for another two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► decades and so there is never enough in the context of blankets because black is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► a similar situation where you had WebKit HTML with a bunch of Linux nerds making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► their stuff like conquer and everything becomes long does actually we have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► we're gonna pay people to develop this and they will quickly dwarf all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► efforts because they're you know how he motivated highly paid highly skilled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► people versus your group of volunteers and lo and behold guess what now we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► the rules of this thing and we doubled WebKit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► and thanks a lot caged in El Cajon yes we are not running the show here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► then Google comes along makes its browser Chrome says it will use with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► that's great and Apple and Google in lockstep but now developing south until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► eventually it's like google has more commuters and is putting more coding to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► get the Nablus and then you know the tension between the different process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► models and other stuff and they can't cooperate because the deadly enemies in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► this will work on the same project and Google says you know what we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► Google is entirely able to support the development of anything Apple might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► like but what does that mean you're not going to contribute security fixes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► get anymore cuz it's a really nice we like nose and you know like JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► engine which was pretty darn good apples in like can we were so proud of our job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► trends in this made their own and they keep making their it better and I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► I was good but like cheese every two weeks they keep making up things faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► and it's scary and I don't like it helped me so you know this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY8TMU/1716">TS</a>]