00:00:00 ◼ ► If this is a sleepy case he's got to work on the whole getting ready to not have any sleep thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/0">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► but lately Marco has been the one thing he's also Libby. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► Yeah my will my kids in school now so now waking up like an hour earlier so I'm closer to Katie's schedule I know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/8">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► already complained about your early wake up time so bad it is harder than you did then you go back home. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/14">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► It's funny to me that when I complained and moaned for the first year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/21">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► and a half of the show it was so get over it you're fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/25">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► Now that the king is having to get up early suddenly we all have to go to bed I have a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/28">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► when I really have to get up early but like you get dressed up in nice clothes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/35">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► and not come back to his house after e off go to another go to another building where you have to like not smell bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/38">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► and have already eaten and be dressed nice and you're a parking lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/46">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► and then talk about parking lots they have to know what do you want to work on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/51">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► or do have to wear khakis you can you really change you. I only have one set of clothes and you've seen them all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/56">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► I'm not as bad as Marco yet are not as good as markers yet I should say disease is already achieved my ultimate goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/63">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► which is to you know not have to worry about clothes into seven outfit I have not achieved that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/68">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► but I would like to basically have a small set of clothes and you've seen them all that's what I wear to work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/72">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► So jeans and like a polo shirt not a polo shirt. You know there are other cars I describe rugby shirts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/76">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► That's all I don't want to have her same difference that their genes make shirts I guess they kind of are now I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/82">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► will not dispute the value of having a uniform it doesn't matter what the uniform is no I envy you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/89">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► but I kind of do have universities has more variety but the problem is all my uniforms the sleeves shrink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/95">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► and then I have to like that otherwise I would use them until they disintegrate like you know like my running shirts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/100">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► that are fifteen years old but I still have I just I feel like I mean I am not a fashion conscious kind of guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/105">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► but I feel like I would get bored wearing the same. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/111">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► Everyone agrees that you're the best dressed of all of us cases are looking to hear them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/114">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► but I'm not fishing for compliments I'm just saying that I don't think of myself as having any fashion sense yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/121">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► or really is really relative among me and Mark Oh yeah. Fashions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/126">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► Oh yeah well I guess that's true but I mean regardless of fashion sense I just feel like looking down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/130">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► and seeing the exact same uniform every day would get really pointed you know like down market doesn't care is wearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/135">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► I don't care one way. Yeah that's exactly it readers want which is one not to be pointed at and laughed at. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/141">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► So we find something that lets us ignore this for a for the rest of our lives or at least for the next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/145">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► or two until the church disintegrate. I guess Casey you definitely represent humanity in the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/151">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► Normal normal humanity and let's not let's not talk of normal humanity too much normally had a lot of downsides. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/160">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► Did either one of you to actually read any of the follow up before we begin. No I skimmed all of it great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/168">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► Everything just published in the chat room they can do follow up and none of us have looked at it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/177">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► OK Would we like to start with a friend of the show Jason smells correction about the i Phone six. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/184">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► Yeah so basically we said last show I said last show someone said I think was me summons the last show that the i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/194">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► six plus had a slightly higher clock C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/201">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► Than the six similar to the difference between the i Pad air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/204">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► and the Retina i Pad Mini where the errors like you know ten percent faster or something like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/208">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► Turns out that is I think completely wrong or at least people have we've seen things all over the place here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/213">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► We've seen some benchmark showing that the six is faster than the six plus by some you know little amount like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/222">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► We've seen some banks are saying they're the same. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/227">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► We've seen some benchmarks saying the six plus a stash of in the six. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/229">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► So Jason Snell posted a follow up thing he had originally said the safe was a faster he I think then has corrected it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/233">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► and said action. That was you know mismeasured or whatever and it's wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/239">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► I don't think we know quite what's going on here yet do we. But I mean there's a lot of things that could be done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/243">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► There's things like that I'm a clock speeds happening where you know there could be throttling for thermal reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/249">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► Apple said it shouldn't happen that it can maintain the full speed all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/255">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► but we don't actually you know we don't know what kind of condition some of these benchmarks were down into maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/258">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► like you know extreme conditions or in warm environments who knows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/262">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► But regardless there doesn't appear to be a clear difference between the two that's actually reliable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/266">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► So there's occasionally a small difference but it kind of flip flops as to which direction it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/272">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► and so I think it's more likely to be chalked up to testing conditions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/276">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► or benchmarks mis measuring things then the actual actual differences in clock speeds are going to be nice if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/280">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► does publish them or at the very least that there was like you can like an Intel C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/287">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► I read off some registers and find out the clock speed like it's all guesswork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/290">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► and it's all kind of get this benchmark app to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/294">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► and like all it does is benchmark app accurately test the speed of this particular C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/297">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► or Yeah I don't like this guess what business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/302">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► but anyway last show I had mentioned that Jason had said conclusively the exact clock speeds and has now recanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/305">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► and so we're back to just not knowing and we as far as anyone knows that look they're probably about the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/311">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► and then we of course have a ton of follow up about the Apple Watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/316">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► And one of the most popular bits of follow up let me back up actually there are two popular bits of our people saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/320">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► either we're insane or we're right on the money for saying that the watches will be expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/326">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► and we'll talk about that more and moments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/331">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► and people theorizing how you can justify the purchase procedure of buying a ten or twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/333">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► or thirty thousand dollar Apple Watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/340">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► And what you would do once that piece of electronics gets sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/342">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► and the really frustrating thing about the what you would do is have a lot of people have sent in feedback saying hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/346">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► if you're beating carat gold it stands to reason you could you know melt that down or otherwise recycle it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/352">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► The Apple Watch or maybe they'll be a trade in program or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/360">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► and this is really annoying because during the last episode I thought to myself you know I wonder if you could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/363">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► like trading in your watch and then you could get a new one and then during the time that you two were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/368">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► and I was reasoning through this in my head I decided No that's a stupid idea I shouldn't share it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/374">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► and like twenty people saying today and so the moral of the story is I should trust my instincts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/378">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► I thought I was actually set in fact I thought all the ideas that have been fed to us via email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/384">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► and Twitter were actually mentioned off hand in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/388">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► but it's obvious that the audience wants to hear more discussion of these things because many people offered elaborate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/390">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► Well I was going to make this work so we just like mentioning one or two things off hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/397">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► but every people want to expansions on it so I figure it's worth nothing although you skip the actually the first item [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/401">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► of the fault right before this is someone who has worked in the jewelry industry for twenty years says that over five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/408">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► X. Mark ups on fashion jewelry is normal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/414">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► So if people want to put a number on what kind of one of these crazy margins that we're talking about what kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/417">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► complete disconnect between the cost of goods in the products. More than five X. Is routine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/422">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► And so one of the examples of these theories regarding how you could handle upgrading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/430">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► or whatever just was sent in by Phil Compton Apple could have two easy ways to handle the rapid obsolescence of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/437">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► One upgrade ability and to trade ins the upgrade ability would of course need to be done in an Apple store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/444">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► but they should be able to keep movements within a set of specifications that could allow easy upgrading of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/450">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► internals of one generation to a newer one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/455">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► I assume they would always be making the watch smaller So although the same adapter may be needed to fill the space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/457">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► each new generation fit in the next. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/462">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► And actually the genesis of my theory last episode that I never shared so now it sounds like a fabricated it in order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/464">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► to sound smart and wise. They mean a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/471">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► Well relatively speaking a lot of mention of what is it the ASP One what is powering this thing. Yeah the S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/473">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► There their marketing name for the entire computer in a little tiny case and exactly it isn't on one chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/480">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► but it's a whole bunch of components in some kind of case that is most likely more for water resistant than anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/487">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► Yeah but it made me think you know if you keep the pin outs of that case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/493">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► and the physical shape of that case the same even if the even if the internals get considerably better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/497">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► Maybe that's the way you upgrade it is there some mechanism by which they can get in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/503">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► and replace the yes one input in an S. Two X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/509">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► Turn only looks identical in operates identical from an interface perspective but internally is twice the clock speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/512">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► This all falls down though if displays get a lot better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/519">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► or it will if that displays a pattern of different sizes for different pen outs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/523">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► and John I'm waiting for you to blow a hole in my theory. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/528">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► Well so here's here's the deal with the upgrade ability this is definitely one of the things that many different people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/530">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► suggested they suggested that there was a part of the watch that would become obsolete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/536">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► and there was a part that would not come up the aisle become obsolete. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/540">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► or whatever that should be fine in prison with us for most of the cost is you could swap out those internal stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/544">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► probably cost less than the band they're probably you know fifty bucks for the last one over ever it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/550">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► Here's the thing with that in in Apple's history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/556">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► and we'll get to this if we actually do get to the i Phone six plus spending. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/558">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► Apple has always chosen when they had a choice between keeping the same thickness angries battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/562">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► or make a center they would just make it thinner and that's where imaging I'm ready for the the i Phone four S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/566">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► We all assume this is the first Apple Watch and just like the first Apple phone I'm going to call the Apple phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/574">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► I switch it around so the Apple phone from now on that thanks like that Apple touch we all assumed they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/581">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► when they can that they're not going to say you know what let's keep the Apple Watch case exactly the same size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/590">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► and every year. Just make the battery a little bit bigger and you know and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/595">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► Maybe other components smaller something or have they have the S one beast's wobble in and out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/600">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► and that's the way it will do upgrades a river like that. This gets back to the product cycles on the wash. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/604">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► Do we think they're going to come up with a new watch every year every two years every five years I think they'll do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/610">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► If they do a new one every year will they try to make it better or will they keep it the same size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/616">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► and make the battery think like this all those stores upgradability Never mind that Apple really is not big on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/619">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► upgradeability period now they're maxing out with their i Phones now with their i Pods those days are long gone like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/624">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► first mac that I ever got was motherboard upgraded from Maclin twenty K. To a Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/630">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► Plus something officially Apple used to sell and do the current Apple is a long way away from that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/635">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► So I have a hard time believing unless there's some really good financial reasons having to do with the way watches are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/641">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► normally sold that Apple would never do something like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/647">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► Both because I just cannot see them keeping the case the same over long periods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/652">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► and because they just want you to buy a new one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/658">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► Now I'm not going to rule it out entirely simple because everything we know about how Apple sells technology has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/660">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► reevaluated in terms of well this isn't really technology this is fashion so maybe a new plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/666">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► and I don't know enough about fashion enough is any precedent for this in like the watch world of replacing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/670">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► movements inside your thing and keeping the gold band of something like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/674">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► But right now it seems to me that the upgrading thing is one of those things that nerds would like Apple to do kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/677">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► or can you just another motherboard upgrade my macro to a new MacPro instead of having to buy a new one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/687">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► The answer from Apple is no we cannot we will not do it as buy a new one I just use this one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/692">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► So I am giving the upgrading thing technically feasible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/697">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► Yes hundred percent feasible but I don't think it's something that that Apple is going to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/701">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► Given that it may be like thumbs down if I had to pick one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/707">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► and if I had to put a percentage by it I'm going to like eighty percent against. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/710">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► Yeah I would also bet strongly against it not only for all the reasons you mentioned but even even. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/714">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► You ignore the fact that they would probably almost certainly make less money over time doing it that way I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/720">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► they would want to constrain themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/726">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► and their future changes to the watch by by a commitment whether you know what they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/728">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► or whether it's been implied by past performance to keep the upgrades available so you know look at look at the massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/734">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► poop fit that the world through when I change the dock connector into the Lightning connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/741">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► and I was like ten years right. Yeah ten ten years with the same connector I think it was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/746">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► Yeah and people people are still insanely upset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/750">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► and thinking Apple did it just to make more money like that is a common a very very common opinion of that changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/753">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► Apple just make more money to make a room buy new cables and accessories. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/759">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► If they ever made the watch of great a bill the expectation to keep it a great deal in the future it would be so high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/763">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► that they would suffer such severe reputation damage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/771">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► and have so many angry people every time they made a backward incompatible change. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/774">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► And so that would that would either cause a bunch of poop fits from their customers on a regular basis like every few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/778">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► years and ever they make it a breaking change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/786">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► or it would constrain them from Oh well we'd like to make this change in next year's version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/788">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► but that would break compatibility with upgrades and so we kind of can't or shouldn't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/795">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► and I don't see Apple ever wanting to be constrained that way in the design of such an important part of their lineup. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/800">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► So who what who does upgradability benefit that's the real question like What are the benefits of operating is it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/805">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► benefit to Apple is it a benefit to consumers who would like I think most people coming in from the consumer's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/812">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► perspective is hey if I spend there imagining for you know the case of for sake of argument that they have enough money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/817">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► to buy the super expensive Apple Watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/825">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► and then they're further imagining that despite having all that money they also don't want to spend that money again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/826">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► any time soon as they would like to protect their investment in itself a lot by saying I spent twelve hundred bucks on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/831">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► the stand was the OP a life or a stainless steel band. Now the new one is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/836">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► I don't has a faster processor or uses less power. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/840">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► I don't want to spend all that money again and then this is same thing people want to upgrade prices for everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/844">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► and I told her how much I have grades my one twenty K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/849">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► That I didn't have it in my purse that deal Plus was he probably died in today's my try like three grand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/851">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► but anyway that the upgrade will cost less money than buying the entire thing out right again so that is a consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/856">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► benefit. I bought this thing once the better thing is out but I don't want to buy the better thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/861">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► I want you to take as much as you can from my current thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/867">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► and just swap out the parts that are not good for the better parts to save money that doesn't benefit Apple at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/870">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► As Mark I was saying before it isn't going to make more money no this is not going to make more money overall they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/875">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► the average selling price of the of their watches will go down. People can do these upgrades. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/882">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► but does it benefit consumers in a way that Apple feels like we should do this because it will make the experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/889">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► better for consumers I mean think like if you had to pretend you were you know magnanimous apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/893">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► but we feel replacing the parts does not give the cohesive experience of being to be designed to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/900">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► or to have an entire device it's a balance system where everything works together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/905">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► and if you just take the Inside Out of the Apple you know there's all sorts of crazy B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/909">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► but some of them have some merit unlike our look at they're designing a product that is arming Syria's parts that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/914">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► can assemble into a product like can you just take the S one out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/919">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► and put the S two in suddenly your watch gets faster and it takes less power maybe for a generation or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/922">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► but like Marco said at a certain point you have to have a breaking design change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/929">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► or you just want to say you do things in fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/933">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► and just make it the same all the time fashion has to change so I think this is mostly a techno fantasy having to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/936">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► with people who probably would never drop that much money on a watch anyway even if they could afford it because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/944">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► But then can put themselves into that position and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/949">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► but if I didn't do that I would still have my instincts that think it's a ridiculous expense and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/951">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► but I would want a new thing anyway that I would want to pay for it and it's a weird. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/956">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► I don't I don't think this actual character case you can bring out the user story index cards. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/960">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► I don't think I will character that that needs upgradability for the watch to be a viable thing exists I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/967">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► just a sort of a fantasy we're spending out right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/973">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► Now the second item on the thing trade ins is an entirely different thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/975">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► and I think that is way more plausible because Apple already does that with stuff they have now they will you know take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/978">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► year olds that most of this to get recycled. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/984">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► But like give me your old thing for a discount on the new thing that I entirely see as being caused by especially if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/986">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► it's made of precious metals but is different than upgradability. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/993">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► or trade an approach is way more likely because they already do it for certain certain things you're right about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/998">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► and they already do it and it just makes more sense like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► It avoids all the issues of the upgradeability kind of like constraining their options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► and people's expectations there like it avoids all of that and it sounded very mentally friendly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► and it seems economically somewhat responsible if you're if you want to upgrade you can get a good amount of money for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► you know your seamless steel want to whatever the gold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► when you need serious money for because you know the the metal itself is valuable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► Apple can take it and melted down and recycled in the new Apple watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► and they will give you good might want to give you like fifty bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► or like say do the recycling because they will give you good money for a gold trader. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► You know what I'm thinking about in this is taking just a half step backwards is a lot of us will spend somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► between five hundred thousand dollars every year or every other year on a new phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► And just for the sake of conversation let's say it's every year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► and let's say it's an even thousand dollars to make the math easy and let's say an average salary in the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► Is fifty thousand dollars again just for the sake of making the math easy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► So if you get a new phone which is a thousand bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► and you have fifty thousand dollars salary that's two percent of your what is a gross salary is is one thousand dollars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► So if. You make one point five million dollars which granted is an unbelievable shed load of money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► Then thirty thousand dollars is two percent of it and so what I'm driving at is even if an apple watch is thirty K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► and a half as probably more people in the United States do than I care to admit to myself then getting a new thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► thousand dollar watch every couple years it's the same is one you know one of us getting a new i Phone every year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► or two. It's everything is relative. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► And although the market is surely smaller than the millions upon millions upon millions of i Phones that are sold in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► Yulee it's still not a bad set up especially since I would assume the markup as we spoke about earlier is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► Yeah it's worth reiterating again that we keep concentrating on the high end just because this type of product is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► different for Apple this type of fashion product where the price is so crazily out of whack. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► But they're you know volume wise they're going to sell. Apple hopes tons of the cheap one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► And so such a small it will be like the mac pro such a small number of these expensive watches are going to be sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► that I doubt first of all I doubt Apple will break it down for us because they never do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► but I think we can probably you know or if they do or somebody will do the math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► and try to say it's reasonable to assume that percentage wise you know ninety percent of Apple watches over the cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► one and then ten percent of the super expensive one and yeah you do make a lot of money of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► but like really this is the thing about this this type of market is Apple wants to go all the way up to the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► and it's maybe it's about exactly I'd love to see the breakdown of like how many macros are sold versus how many you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► know of the reasonably priced Macs I think will be even more extreme with this expensive watch we're just obsessing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► over because it's just such a novelty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► and we just can't figure out how it's going to work within Apple's current business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► and customers in the way they sell things and everything else. Or sponsor this week is a new sponsor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1195">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► But they are new to me. It is mobile lux. Oh all right. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► M O B E L U X mobile Lux mobile us is a product team for hire. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► Since two thousand and eight they've been designing and building apps for i OS Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► and the web with an emphasis on shipping awesome mobile experiences. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► So I've actually done this because for a while let me give you some of the stuff they've done here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► Mobile is developed the precision I was eight interface for circle news three which is shipped today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► Circa separate the Circa app it's really popular. I've heard of it I've not tried it yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► Yeah it's very very popular William a mobile apps did their to their new interface for the version that ship today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► which is huge. They also designed and built the responsive web platform logo and identity for friends at need. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► In the addition dot com Those people need the mobile apps built a lot of that for them they built all over the identity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► of the web platform whole bunch of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► or need they also make their own products to your ship one called Best dish which is an ongoing user judge competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1255">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► that celebrates and rewards the best dishes around town and across the country. Your sponsored D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► Mobile works can help with everything from identity design to building full stack Iowa social networks they also have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► one of their own products called elixir E L I X R And it's it's kind of like Instagram for drinks it's pretty cool if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► could that's a very good description of mobile X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► You know so they have their own products you can hire them in a higher capacity they've worked with many great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► companies including i Home unique low Marvel and even Tumblr which is where I know them from initially. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► They've built everything from firmware delivery systems to Ward winning recipe apps. Everything top to bottom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► Now the reason of them from tumblr is because the original tumblr app for i Phone We did actually have an i Phone app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► for a while until we were too busy to make one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► and we didn't have enough staff to you know just hire just have smells do it. Mobile apps actually made one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1313">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► Called Tumbler ed and it was there were a few out there by the people that theirs was by far the best. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► So Tom we just bought it and we paid them for years to maintain it for us an upgrade and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► That's how I know them and then when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► when it came time for me to need someone to build my paper app for Android I went directly to them because I knew them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► I knew them for a while I knew they were good people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► and because they really are like I would not a trusted that actually just anybody you know you know how much I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► working with other people. I went to a mobile X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► Knowing that it would be a good fit because I already had them before and knew they were very good people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► Both you know both easy to deal with and nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► and also really talented like their I can't say enough good things about their work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► They're just really good and really easy to work with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► So they built the Instagram for Android and it was just I had to do almost nothing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► I didn't even give them source code I don't even give them assets even just pull assets out of the out of my i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► app for me when it was stuff where they made their own because they have their designers there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► I give them almost nothing to work with except some very loose A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► Documentation and they need the whole app and they didn't have to bug me for anything. It's so easy to work with them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► Anyway for more info about mobile works or to get them involved with your next project check them out at mobile X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► Dot com Thanks a lot to our friends at Mobile ox for sponsoring really I cannot recommend it enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► All right let's keep talk about Apple Watch. Do we have to. Yes we do. It isn't even out yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► I know but that doesn't that doesn't stop us when we come up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► We've got several more months of this and we have months of follow up. It's never going to end. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► Another thing that we had a lot of discussion about why is how do you sell a ten twenty thirty thousand hour watch in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► and an anonymous Apple employee wrote in to say many existing Apple stores have private business preaching rooms with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► the entire product line not tethered to tables. They exist as a space for Apple to meet with businesses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1434">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► Discuss deals and how to integrate Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► These spaces are a perfect place to showcase high end watches to customers who would like a private area away from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► crowds. All I really want to know is how do I get that kind of sex. Because you gotta buy my prose. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► You are but little is all about you are evil. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► but you're evil because there are Apple store our local Apple store just moved in a few spots down in the local mall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► and now it's actually a belt the right size for the area in which we live. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► But goodness before it moved it was like a locker room in there no matter what time of day you went in so I did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► know this was a thing but apparently this is a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► and I'm assuming if you're coming in looking like the kind of gentleman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► or woman who is going to buy a thirty thousand dollar watch. Not about how you look at what you were just asked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► I would like to see the Apple Watch edition they say well you have to come to the back with us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► This as Marcus said the last show I think it's clear that Apple's stores are due for a redesign or an overhaul [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1493">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► and presumably someplace where you could sell really expensive gold watches will be part of that overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► but in the meantime whenever that happens to land in the meantime the fact of these rooms apparently exist that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► don't know about because none of us except for Marco would ever be invited into them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► It's nice to know that they have been out for some existing stores at least. Exactly all right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► There was a tweet from Scott McIntyre He noted that something that I had not realized that the Apple Watch edition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► which is a terrible name but it's the expensive Apple Watch you think is worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► The Apple Watch edition edition or the Ferrari La Ferrari the La Ferrari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► but only by a shade I think Apple Apple Watch edition is worse because the Ferrari the way better than I watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► and you can forgive a lot of you can forgive a lot for a Ferrari isn't just a Camry with a gold coating here it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► going now it's just a fee it with a gold coating right. They still know you're on her feet. Federica is going. Tell me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1552">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► Anyway so by the way just while we're on the topic of Federico certain or a pattern I was interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► So there's rumors that there's going to be a twelve inch quote i Pad Pro coming out like possibly next spring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► or something and I'm not sure I believe that but assuming that even if it does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► On a recent episode of what's new protocols connected I was with the names. So the new product called connected. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► Reason ever heard of that Federico mention in passing is that he said he wouldn't buy that i Pad fro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► and I was thinking like if this thing is real if Federico Verty she does not want to buy an i Pad Pro who will. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► I would very Only I penned by was my thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► However I will never talk about i Pad Pro since like before that I was really sad that was me saying all that stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► Yes I will buy it I think I said the line obviously Well the way I use my i Pad is not as a you know I use it like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1610">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► I like large foreign magazines I didn't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► when Edge magazine shrink to the small truck to the small from I think next gen also shrunk with no magazines going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► downhill and they shrink to the Wired magazine I like that big format. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► I want big not not twenty seven and she no but like a twelve inch I think that's fine and I want to be faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► and I'm multitasking and a split screen and all sorts of awesome stuff like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► We talked about this stuff remember I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► but it just I think I tried to force myself to forget that if you want an i Pad that in almost no way resembles an i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► Pad Now it's still a big screen that you hold in your hand it to resemble a knife always except it's slightly bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► that's it and of course it's faster inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► and you know as more RAM involve a ball blog idea totally resembles an i Pad And anyway did we even finish this tweet I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► Finishing a tweeting about it I was saying and they look round matches the strap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► and yes I knew that I thought everybody knew that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► but he was offering it as an idea of saying well that means maybe the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1674">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► The straps are interchangeable like they showed in the video that the straps coming in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► and out of the major selling point of the logic can't believe some people saw them well you can swap it now because a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► little bit of a crown is color coded so what so what you look at the little cut little crown is red. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► Can you only get red bands now use black ones you can use white ones I don't know any about fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► but I know that it's the right right look at the cases for the i Phone five C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► You know the half of the point of all these different colors was that you can mix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► and match them remember I think was Schiller talked about oh you can have you know a blue phone with a red case for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► this mood in a in a white case for that mood or something like that if you know exactly what he said but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► but you're exactly right that it was they were talking about flipping things up in into liberally getting clashing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► colors to be in so everyone can be their own special snowflake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► and if you don't want that buy get one with a neutral call your over the Blackground as I'm sure there are that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► have I think the only color grounds I saw was like a maroon ish red that went with like the dark red band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► and then a black one but you know the fact of the Crown's bass does not mean the straps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► and I could be interchangeable they're totally interchangeable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► All right moving on this was my addition to the follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► Speaking of a friend of the show Jason Snell I was reading his apple watch edition review should we just call this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► Apple Watch Apple like the Ferrari La Ferrari so anyways he said in his review Yes there's a special box it's covered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► Inside is a magnetic charging cradle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► and on the back of the box space is a slot into which you plug a Lightning connector. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► That's right the Apple Watch edition is so fancy that the box is its own accessory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► and I bring that up for a couple reasons firstly I didn't know that that was a thing and second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► or secondly that how what how is this that how is that something that Apple considers the right thing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► and if you're going to stand here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► and tell me that oh a ten thousand dollar watch is way too expensive look at what they're doing for the freakin box I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► wonder the minute. Doesn't come with a charging cable is that yeah I can understand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► Basically a doc like you know a member of the i Phone has become a doctor and the original came with a doctorate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► and I remember and I think that's right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► But anyway they used to sell docs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► but it seems like if you buy the Apple Watch edition it comes with essentially a dock which also happens to be the box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► which is a nice place for you to put the watch when you're not using it which also charges it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► But I'm sure Apple will sell the little charging doohickey thing for all the regular people who don't buy the edition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► edition and so you know it's all the same charging amongst all the boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► but this type of luxury thing of like how can we make this as fancy as possible they do that with all their products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► like the boxes are so beautiful when you open them up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► But it's all disposable stuff you throw away the cardboard box you throw away the little plastic pieces that you peel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► off and everything. This I assume you won't throw away because it's actual accessory. What else is in here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► Oh a lot of feedback about Chip and PIN. You want to cover this John because I'm going to stumble over it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► I don't understand Also we're getting glimpses of what payment is like in the rest of the world from individual people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► via mail so these people are wrong I'm sure we'd all right in tell us so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► Martin Gordon wrote in to say you think it's worth clarifying that the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► Won't be getting to pimp anytime soon and said we're moving over to the next year chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► and signature our credit cards will come with chips but we won't be issued a pen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► nor will be will we be required to enter a pin during transaction so that's kind of crappy will have chips in our cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► but we'll have still have to sign a name on a piece of paper for transactions that require that type of thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► Doesn't surprise me but if this is true as disappointing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► TOM PHILLIPS tennis so two thousand for over the last year or so in the U.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► We've had the introduction of contactless debit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► and credit cards Coakley called just contactless you pay a chip unable to MIL's are dedicated contactless points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► or anything under twenty pounds and I have no idea how much that is a real thing if Apple Pay were to arrive in U.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► But I do wonder whether it would succeed to our payment system isn't as archaic as the US with contactless becoming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► relatively. Well established popular are the benefits of Apple Pay had cracked enough to get people to switch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► This goes back to Tim Cook's big thing about it's not just that you get a wave in front of a thing to pay for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► stuff it's that you get to not have to bring your wallet with you you don't have to bring are going to be undergoing i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► If you want to go out and you want to have a way to pay for things you can just bring your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► and I guess you just hope the battery doesn't run out before the bar tab comes at the end of the night anyway is right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► Apple Pay is a lot a lot easier to sell at sort of the dawning of contactless payment here in the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► Than it is in other countries where contactless is already well established. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► Yeah I don't I don't know I was going to do there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► It seem like all the deals Apple announced that the people who are accepting payments the suction of like McDonald's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► that was international but a lot of the other stores look like they were US only. So since we live in the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► You know we probably be fined if you just left him in the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► Because everything here is so horrible but you know I don't know how I was going to do it in other countries. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1976">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► Some more Apple Pay. Dave Copeland wrote in to say in the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► The fraud policy of the banks heavily favor the card holder card total colored card holder can pretty easily have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► charges removed by calling the bank who issued the charge in the U.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► In Europe the banks are not so lenient with the card holders and it's much more difficult to have charges removed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► and PIN is so prevalent across the pond that's why waiter brings a charging device to you rather than whisking your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► card away to the back so that's another you know differences in the different pain environment of who who accepts the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► who deals with fraud if something goes wrong who has to pay for it in the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► We're all used to this is one good thing about the rest of us from consumer's perspective sort of kind of is that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► someone steals your credit card to make so much bogus charges with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► or some sort of fraud happens we all just zoom over call the credit card company notice take care of it like a creditor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► coming to eat all that because they make so much more money having huge interest rates on everyone doesn't pay their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► bills on time which is why they still make tons of money in the U.S. But and so the toll. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2035">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► I'm going to eat all the other charges we just had yet another one of our credit cards stolen online a couple weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► back and we're just like oh no big deal yeah they bought a bunch of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► but we know we're not going to pay for that well apparently in other countries it's not that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► and so there is a demand to be more secure and not just have you know to hear hear your way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► or take my credit card walk away with it I don't care where you go if you skim it or buy something with it online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► or whatever I'm just going to have those charges reversed and they'll send me a new card I want to pay for any of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► But that's not true in other countries so they have much more secure payment systems that's interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► And his final point is something I've learned firsthand at one of the first e-commerce sites I made I guess about ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► years ago now twelve years ago a long time ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► Is that a lot of these things you see on websites and in payment processing things like the C.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► Code where you have to enter those little three digit number to pay for something with a credit card or signatures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► or anything like that. That's entirely at the discretion of the person of the company selling something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► So when you do credit card transactions online you send the information to the payment processor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► and they send you back a score that says here's how trustworthy this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► and you can decide I'm going to go forward with scores of you know above whatever value so well they'll send you back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► Well you know the card has a middle name but they didn't enter middle name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► and the street address doesn't quite match [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► but the everything else in the address matches do you want to perceive this transaction if you say yes you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► and a credit card processor there is some relationship there over who covers what percent of fraud or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► So it's up to it's up to the merchant basically to decide how how you know how flexible do you want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► and I could say as someone who's implemented this you tend to be motivated highly to be very flexible believe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► or not because if you are super picky and like well their address says you know one two three Main Street [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► and the credit card address on file has one two three main S T N S T is not the same as street [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► and our process just to stupid to figure that out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► and so doesn't give it a perfect score a match on that we want to go forward if you can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2156">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► Only went forward on like the highest possible score you would never make any money because you know you would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► accept anyone's credit cards you know they got the code almost right or they got it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► but didn't add like the plus for the end of it do you want to go for everything lowers your score if you know exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► right and so you have to decide what risk you're willing to tolerate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► and usually you're willing to go forward even if they miss tons of stuff like if they're slightly off on their address [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► don't quite get the name right didn't enter the zip code but the card number is right and don't have a C.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► Is like just go forward because ninety nine percent of time it'll be fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► and the other percentage of the time you will see that in the workout so that's something else to keep in mind with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► of this secure payment type stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► Individual that's why that's why I imagine I don't know this to be the case that's why I imagine a lot of places now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► don't require you to sign your name anymore is because the risk environment has changed they felt like they were not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► getting any additional security from having somebody scribble something on a piece of paper for their five dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► credit card purchase orders you know swipe the card and let's go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► All right George tell me about streamlined Apple Watch shape ideas you know that was not from last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► and remember what I was thinking of I know the fraud topic was member of the first avalanche I was saying I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► disappointed that it looks like a little lunch box on your wrist just like a little rectangle with straps coming out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► it I was hoping that they would do something to blend the strap into the main part of the watch in a way that was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► forward thinking like well now it's got to be a big chunky thing in your US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► but five years from now won't be quite as chunky and it's best to go with an aesthetic that will seem natural then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► but didn't they didn't try to mask out at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► and there are lots of ideas about from listeners about what they could do with a more streamlined shape if they had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► sort of a taper from the big thick part with the battery in the screen to the strap they still have removable strap the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► strap sort of how to incorporate that paper somehow or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► but people are full of ideas of what they could do with that extra volume one of the most popular ideas. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2274">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► Why don't they fill that place with a battery. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► Well those little wedges belief in the fat part of the in part that's just another opportunity to shove a battery in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► I don't like that idea because one I don't like the idea of having battery out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► or my around my wrist because looking at my own batteries can get very hot and catch fire and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► and I guess it's also true of the wanted inside the watch but that's inside metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► and I feel a little better about that into I don't think working on batteries take very kindly to being bent which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► means that the taper would have to be sort of a one to make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► Once you make the taper stiff then that is the number of different risks that it can fit on is drastically altered just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► like you do not want like it's better after you've got the stiff little rectangular part right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► If you made little wings hanging off of the thing they were also stiff because they contain battery. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► Then they would sit very awkwardly on people with either make it so it it's OK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► and people with very large respond then it looks ridiculous some people small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► or vice versa so that I think is a non-starter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► or it would have to I don't think there's anything useful you can do with that paper other than maybe put some sensors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► in and if you want to have like the pulse sensors off centered or something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► and there are like seven accelerometer in there but I don't think you can use it for battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► and I don't think you can make it Stephan anyway is not the direction Apple went in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► I think that's all I was thinking about this one line fall by them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2350">TS</a>]
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00:40:14 ◼ ► and shipping is free on almost every order I think it's over ten dollars for each so pretty much almost every order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2414">TS</a>]
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00:40:23 ◼ ► It's fifteen bucks for a starter set and you get a raise or moisturizing shave cream and three razor blades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2423">TS</a>]
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00:40:37 ◼ ► or something like that if by bunch so a package is fifteen dollars a sixteen pack is just twenty five dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2437">TS</a>]
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00:40:59 ◼ ► Strip but I'm a I was a big fan of fusion before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► and I would say Harry's blades are just as good if not better for the shave. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2462">TS</a>]
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00:41:21 ◼ ► and if you do your own comparisons you will see the Harry's blades are roughly half the price of high end other blades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2481">TS</a>]
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00:42:41 ◼ ► For five bucks off thank you very much to Harry for sponsoring the show again. OK so we got a lot of feedback. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► Well I thought about the casing of the text watch what are we still talking about the watch. Yes I am. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► John insists that we got to do all this follow that along is a quickie is Robert Thompson prob something I thought was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► funny like are we talking about the small caps thing with the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► and I said well you know with the little apple logo in front of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► and it's kind of silly you know we just write out Apple Watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► but they would use the little symbol on money doing slides like what we've got a president with Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► Where they show a little apple logo and I'm like well of course T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► Is always capitalized it's you know short of television or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► But Robert Thompson points out that when they do happen T.V. and I'd forgotten about this they do lower case T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► So so much that I think they did a little apple and the lower case T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► With a little care on the bottom and anyway there's no rhyme or reason to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► or so we thought until Jim sent us something that says reference is a classic vocabulary with the all caps like Omega [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► and that other things are said to be that I'm not going to pronounce probably they do auto case in their name brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► Well so maybe I was trying to go with that and again I think it's crazy to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► and just use the word watch it is like. Really parody of a Rolex Omega. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► Also watch All right let me explain this to everybody. Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► Is lower cased in the marketing logo worth the Apple logo followed by lower case T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► Because somebody thought it looked good at the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► when it's built in a marketing way with the Apple logo followed by the all small caps watch is that way because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► somebody thought it looked good that way most likely because it's written very small on the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► and very small lettering looks great when it's in small caps. That is why it's that way. It is marketing reasons only. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► It doesn't matter if you think you are going to put the little apple logo on the watch next to the word watch like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► Apple logo watch. Yeah. Didn't they already show that they are doing that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► I don't know I have I know they put it up on the slide when they introduced it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► but that's another going to have it on the watch itself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► We've seen pictures of the back in the video so I'm pretty sure that does it doesn't matter it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► Either way it doesn't matter. They thought it looked good that's why they're there was not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► I guarantee you there was no thought put into oh well it's different from the way we capitalize Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► I guarantee you no one brought that up and no one cares you can change the capitalization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► and you can change whether you pull out the logo but it's going to be hard to change the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► and the name is still watch and I guess the name is still T.V. To Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► Somehow sounds better to me than maybe I will get used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► but I feel like I still have not gotten used to mac book so I just I think I can hold a grudge against this one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► Mac book is permanently awkward I give you that power because such a great name and MacBook was so awkward. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► I also for whatever it's worth I did think Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► At first was extremely awkward and I got used to it and didn't care anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► But also to talk about that much because who cares. The Apple T.V. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► All right and then John would you like to defend yourself regarding. I watch no I.Q. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► and I think I'm not doing it on purpose. Trying to get better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► So in the follow up Nathan Watkins Jr sent us that Microsoft paid the N.F.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► Four hundred million to use the surface and a couple of commentators still call them I've had. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2756">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► And so I assumed that you would place that in the follow up strictly to defend your erroneous I don't know that an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► interesting story like talk about watch being a generic term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► but no name that you pick can be defended against whatever the term is for likely an X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► Where the name brand becomes genericized into mean you know you have a Kleenex for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► or God forbid if you live in the south and someone says do you want to coke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► and I say Yeah what kind of give me a sprite. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► I know I never anything to be generous of anything you're not defended against that by picking watched by picking i Pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► it little tabouli things are so defined by the i Pad product in the same way I guess tissues are so defined by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► Kleenex brand that the commentators in these N.F.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► Programs couldn't help but say all of those guys in a silent holding i Pads are not their Microsoft Surface tablets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► but i Pad is the word that is the placeholder in lots of people's minds for a tablet thing even more so than any i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► Phone is for a smartphone because that I think you know Android sells more than the i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2816">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► but Apple was so far ahead in the tablets they were only company made any tablet that anyone cared about at all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► was and it worth a damn at all for so long like it was a year or two years before I guess the Amazon tablet came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► or whatever that in the public consciousness if you were holding a thing that looked like a disinvite screen it was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► i Pad So now providers have paid four hundred million dollars to get service into the hands of only going to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► and the company which is called the my i Pad in the same way they might call a tissue Kleenex even those not Kleenex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► brand so I feel bad for Microsoft here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► but I mean point putting isn't is that no name you pick even if it's Amy you totally make up like i Pad or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► or Kleenex or anything else you're always at risk of being genericized indeed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► and then another piece fall out that I put in a while back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► There's more I know you know hey I was trying to curb it but we're we're almost on fulfilling time for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► but they told us he decreed that we will do all of the F.-U. Anyway so I like everyone else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2872">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Hey if Steve were alive I can say the word I'm looking for but but retort I guess for lack of a better word. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► But but trope thank you that is that is a much better word for it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► But somebody posted a little while ago a really really really great write up about how the Apple keynote announcing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► six the six plus the watch perhaps would have gone different gone differently had Steve done it in the typical Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► style and if the whole if Steve were alive thing also really turns you off just forget that and just read this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► This page which will put the show notes just as a general alternative approach to the Keynote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► and there were certainly some like maybe not factual things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► but there were some little idiosyncrasies about this that I didn't totally care for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► but overall I do think that this approach to the Keynote just sounded better in principle to me than the keynote we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► and I don't know if either of you to read this or had any thoughts about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► but I definitely think it's worth those of you listening to to read it at your convenience because it was very good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► GIGOT e dot com And this is really my person in John moon cam and I'm positive I mispronounced that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► I saw this being spread around and I thought as probably many listeners thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► when he first saw it I thought oh God it's going to be you know it's going to be somebody complaining that Tim isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► Steve basically and and I for some reason I eventually read it against my better judgment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► And it really did surprise me with you know I thought for sure again like I did that I thought was going to be just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► complaints that Tim is not Stephen because tim tim can't be Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► and he's not trying to be Steve he's trying to beat him. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► but I think we've seen over time from other tech companies people who try to imitate Steve Jobs's presentation style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► always fail and it's really painful. But if you see like when's October. Did it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/2995">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► Jeff Bezos tries to do it but God knows everybody from Samsung Tresidder. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► It's painful and you know if you just try to be yourself it's a much better idea anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► and there was a lot in there that I was like you know actually that's a really good point why didn't they do it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► way or yeah that would have actually been better liked and they plausibly could have done that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► and I you know the main focus of it I think is like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► and we've heard that we've seen other people talk about this to our friend Ben Thompson talked about this a lot as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► You know we've seen it in the presentation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► Tim basically introduces the watch not by saying here's why this is necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► but just by showing it just be like here's this thing we've got this really cool look and there it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► and there's the planet and the sun rises above the planet and then this watch comes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► and you see all the cool light reflecting off with an easy watch of spinning around for five minutes and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► and then Johnny hides in his white world talking about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► and it just really it assumes the presumption of the video was this is really cool and you need to buy it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► And here's this is going to be really big as opposed to the way Steve would usually introduce a new product categories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► like the way he did with the first the i Pod and then the the i Phone of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► and I've had here introduce it kind of first by saying why it needs to exist why we need to want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► and then showing it to us and then saying you know here given all of the things I just said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► and why you should want this and why this device need to exist here it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► And Tim really didn't do that with the Apple Watch introduction I was at I watch Tim didn't really do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► He just showed it and said Here it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► and we're kind of left to our own devices to figure out well OK this thing is cool and it looks cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► but why do we want to wear a watch especially for the many. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3116">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► Give us for whom we haven't been wearing watches since we got cell phones because cell phones made watches unnecessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► for almost everybody except for fashion reasons and even then it's not that common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► and especially among younger people so he didn't do that so I think there is a lot of valid criticism to be made about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► the way this was introduced in the presentation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► and this article on dot com was really good I thought it was you know parts it was like a little bit over the top a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► bit contrived but overall I'd say it was very good and way better than I expected from the premise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► Completely Curry I don't really like this article. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► I think I think what it leaned on a lot of is two things One the fact that we all miss Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► and lean on that it's like hey when I was still alive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► Yes it would and to is played fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► and loose with the actual things that they were announcing it made Apple announced things that Apple didn't actually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► announce and boy wouldn't it be cool if Apple had said X. Y. and Z. and Did X. Y. and Z. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3175">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► I agree that Steve Jobs would have presented this better than Tim Cook. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► I don't think anyone disagrees that Steve Jobs is a better PRESENTER The root of it is most likely in that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► particulars of the person in that Steve Jobs has excited about different things than Tim Cook is excited about for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► price I think Tim Cook really is excited about the watches but in the stew hands in the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► and shaking his fist like I really believe he is excited but he's excited about different aspects of the product. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► And Steve Jobs is excited about the same aspects of the product that we're excited about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► Cool technology ways to change your life with with technology particular small features you know the little Genie go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► and out of the dock like all the things we want to about Steve Jobs also would not attempt is excited about different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► So to me the less relatable PRESENTER The main value to the articles providing what Marco got out is there was no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► there explained to us in the way that Steve Jobs felt like it was necessary to explain to us why we're doing this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► Tim tries to explain why or has other people come in stage do. I speak in it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3236">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► It's more kind of like they speak in generalities or in sort of corporate speaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► and big picture speak where Steve Jobs would break down a much more primal level and say here's a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► Here's what we thought about this before about that here's a solution we think you're going to use it for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► and there's been good Steve Jobs vision balance the reason I like this article is that like Wouldn't it be great if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► this guy you really love is still alive and he announced things in a super dramatic way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► and also now some cooler things than were announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► and that I feel like it's just it's cheating I think you know this is not this article is not a guideline viable can to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► present a better presentations unless they can do cooler things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► and resurrect Steve Jobs so I would have rather seen this article. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► I mean I have yet to see the article it says Steve Jobs was alive X. Y. and Z. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► and this continues that trend sort of better explaining what was wrong with Tim Cook's presentation you can compare it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► to successful presentations by Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► and I think if his actual presentation happen the way they said it would be overblown for what they actually announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3294">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► you know our personal universe company Apple if Apple to the ones they do and it was Steve Jobs it would be ridiculous. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► So you did not like it as much as you guys did but you know it was not perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► but I think it did it did make a lot of very good point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► and it did it did show a lot of things that Apple could have done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► Plausibly and differently and and they chose not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► and it also depends on like the context I think a couple I mean this most recent probably like this most recent I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► thought was not a Steve Jobs presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► but was really good like this is the type of stuff that Steve Jobs wouldn't have known how to describe in interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► way all of the the new language the development tools the showing new versions of the O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► and developer tool stuff was presented by people who knew about it in a style that is different Steve Jobs style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► and I thought it was one of the better keynote for the audience that was given to maybe not to the press or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► but for a roomful of developers. Everybody was just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3357">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► You know it was jazz that ever had something to be jazzed about in that area you see presentation I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► but only been to work for them in person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► or whatever I think that was extremely successful compared to the last job study there are these even in very bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► health there but he didn't have the type of stuff to announce that he likes to announce. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► So the watch room is definitely him. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► Steve Jobs is wheel house but there are other presentations than that are in the current Apple's wheel house. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► Steve Jobs is always very bad at hiding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► when he didn't feel that strongly about something he did he was very bad in hiding that I think Tim Cook has kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► different problem which is Tim Cook is really excited about certain things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► and he doesn't you know he doesn't understand that he needs to kind of lead us to that point before just telling us how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► excited he is or he doesn't know how to lead us to that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► or he's excited about things that we're not likely I bet he if he presented to like the organization of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► manage supply chains whatever their name is like he would be super excited about the details of those things you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► like he's he's excited about different things I don't want to hear us talk about finance or supply chains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► or making deals or like they have an example if we ever get to it the Charlie Rose interview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► and the interview that Tim Cook has given show the things that he's excited about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► They just happen to be the same things as Steve Jobs excite about he's just a different person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► and said that that article struck in the Steve Jobs fan section I think that is a reasonable approximation of what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► is and if you like Steve Jobs and direction then that's a good example of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► but it was not in the mood for Steve Jobs and fiction I would say that. Let's let's turn to the Tim Cook. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► Charlie Rose in it because we're talking about it anyway. That was first of all very good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► It took me a second I had to downloading it from somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► and watching it with quick time player at like one point five six is not a fast speaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► and it got a little bit slow times but so I had to I had to get through it twice before I really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3472">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► Appreciate it at the first going out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► Switch to other tabs and do a thing and all that's right up play in the background. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► Anyway so I want to pay attention to it it really is quite good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► It does show like it shows him getting slightly at ease here and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► and you could tell like the real Tim is coming out when he's slightly off the cuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► and you can tell he doesn't really go off the cuff ever like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► and this is probably as far as he ever gets you know because he's of he's a very very controlled person in public he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► you could tell he says things very deliberately very thoughtfully. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► But just seeing that a little bit more of his personality in this was I think extremely positive and interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► and I want to see more of the Tim Cook that we saw on Charlie Rose like I think he should let more of that come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► because what we saw there was Tim really caring very strongly about certain things like privacy where like he came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3533">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► so hard in privacy We'll talk about that too I guess. Like Tim is not just some boring paper pusher. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► He has a very strongly principled guy and he feels very strongly about certain things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► and I feel like so far he has not let a lot of that out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► You know possibly because it wasn't you know he didn't think it was the right time because there are some so much so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► many eyes on him everyone looking for him to like mess up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► or you know do something do something indicate he's not fit for the job or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► or whatever so you know maybe he's been going into it slowly but the Tim Cook that we saw on Charlie Rose. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► I would like to see more from the hear read that was at a Bloomberg interview some lengthy interview with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► and got into it was with those covers by the way what was that. Yeah well I think those are real. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► Yeah I thought they were fake for the first several tweets to go in the game and reverencing fibrous they were real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► and I join them in their surprise about in their flesh. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► After I had forgot that was a paper magazine had a cover and I was just on line anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► but I think it was Boomer I'll try to find a link for the show notes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► There was an interview that was like a condensed version of what I thought were the most revealing parts of the Charlie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► and I get sad what what Tim Cook really cares about beyond the things beyond obviously his job which is managing a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► Is usually tend not to talk to the public about aspects of their job because who cares about SEO That's why I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► saying if Tim Cook was talking to a group of other C.E.O.'s of other people who have similar jobs managing large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► organizations he would have a lot of interesting things to say to them but not to consumers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► and then there's the technology part which Tim Cook appreciates and understands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► but is not a geek about like Steve Jobs was right he's not obsessed with one particular software feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► or one particular hardware feature and just marveling over it everything you can tell that when you're the C.E.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► You can imbue the company with some aspects of your personality and like Mark was saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3653">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► Tim Cook has been hesitant to do that so thus far kind of like just being the sort of guy behind the scenes like he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► been for so long but I think maybe in the mac pro you know what was that twenty eleven twenty twelve that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► when his personality started to come out a little bit more where he was starting to become willing to use Apple the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► company as a vehicle to achieve goals that are personally important to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► and those goals as expressed on Charlie Rose and his interviews are about the environment privacy and human rights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► and diversity topics. Very little to do with Apple watches or IMAX or anything like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► and saying I'm the leader of the biggest company in the United States may be the biggest company in the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► I want to use that power to achieve things are important to me because I think they're good ideas. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► They're not the goals of the company Apple is not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► Turning into you know an organization that just deals with the environment and human rights and privacy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/3720">TS</a>]
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01:14:07 ◼ ► Know totally how I don't know how you're doing that because it's what I'm used to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► I forgot to watch you more closely next time I see you didn't seem like the most precarious way to hold this thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► I don't have my i Pod touch with if I did the reach test on the i Phone six to see what I can reach with my normal grip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► and I thought this was everybody's number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► but hearing you just described that that is not the way I hold the phone I have with the corner sort of nestled in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► I can reach everywhere across the face of the six of my thumb except for the farthest corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► and the farthest corner like maybe half an inch in most. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► I'm missing from this without me shimmying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► or moving my palm at all just palm anchored in my all four fingers wrapped on one side of the phone the other car the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► and my thumb sweeping the thing I can reach the top right corner I think we should bottom left corner I can reach the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► bottom right corner top left I can't quite reach I would have to guess my grip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► but that's more than I thought I would be able to reach I was in visioning may not be able to reach any corners except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► You with the bouncing on the pinky with your pointer finger on the Apple logo I don't know what you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► and put all four fingers inside of especially now that they have the power button on the side you can hit it with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► Yeah and to be honest I think you're probably right that I just need to give up several years of a habit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► and it just is that's reasonable but it'll be more secure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► Saying this other grip even with the five size thing that grip is better with that one you're less likely to drop it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► No I'm less likely to drop it because I have my pinky blocking it from being dropped No that's you're just making this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► little bounce cradle from and just handle flipping out of the things you know actually gripping it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4536">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► You're just sort of balancing it on it's like sheet music sitting on the sheet music stands on the center of going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► tumbling off mine I'm actually holding in my hand now in Casey's defense I hold it sounds like the same way as Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► and it is it is a quite secure hole if you if you just hold it like with you know the thumb and you know your thumb. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4553">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► Whatever that's called on one side and then all four fingers on the other side across the middle then it can fire up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► and down whereas it's like if you take if you just hit the pinky and you bring it down on the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► and you're anchoring the bottom right corner exactly right. I thought that's my son moving anywhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► Can't go down because it's literally in the palm and it can go up because I'm gripping with all four fingers on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► and the side of my hand like I have it in a vice grip it's not as if I don't have to daintily hold it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► and have it sort of nestled in a holster shaped like my hand I'm actually holding it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► So anyway we could observe also causing intending issues as well because I'm holding it wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► Anyway I do like it if you leave aside the one handed use which I still haven't come to grips with be that my fault be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► it the phones fault one way or another I haven't come to those upon haven't come to grips with one handed use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► but nevertheless the screen itself. I do like I do like it being a little bigger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► I do think it looks better although I don't I think there must be in my head because the four point seven inch screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► is pretty much identical to the five S. Screen isn't it. No better viewing angles better. Better color depth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► And what about the current glass I love the curve that is in the glass love it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► So here's the thing about the curve glass when I first got my phone and I did not have a case for it yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► and the most awesome part about the curved glass to me was the swipe from the left edge to the right which is a back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► and also an unlocked jester although obviously don't use that too terribly often with Touch ID it makes that gesture so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► much nicer than it was on the squared off five S. but I had a apple leather case for my five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► and It was far and away the best case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4676">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► Ever used on any phone I had had bumpers before I came in we would use like battery cases of them at a conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► and I loved the leather case in the five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► and the problem with the Apple weather case for the six is that the way it melts it it kind of covers up the nice bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► of the edge of the curved edge of the glass and just kind of ruins that feel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► Yeah I am worried about cases on the curve thing that's what I was thinking about I was holding it how are you going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► put a case on this and preserve the things that are good about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► and I don't know they they don't really work like I actually got to hold Casey's phone I had the exact same problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► with it it's like once you have the case on it it really does ruin that curve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► and so I don't know what to do because I am enough of a klutz that I often bang my phone into things because I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► paying attention what I'm doing. Not gone well there's no new wood nearby but knock on glass not found bent aluminum. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► Yeah exactly not convents a limb I haven't dropped a phone ever to the point that the screen shatters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4734">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► But I'm so scared especially since the back in the sides of the singer so darn slippers slippery or sleepy or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► I'm so scared I'm gonna drop it especially since I can't anchored on my pinky ahem rip it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► or drop it if you did you buy that did you buy the extra insurance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► I did not expect a boxer at seventy or eighty isn't it now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► I'll probably buy it just because it's still cheaper than getting like I don't trust myself not to drop it we've got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► Course that means she hasn't dropped them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► but I just feel better buying in the grand scheme of things I worry less about it so my policy on that is I stop buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► Apple Care and various protection plans and warranties a few years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► and my current policy is the first time I really need one and regret not having bought one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► I'll start buying them again. So far it hasn't happened I'm coming out way ahead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► Yeah I tend to agree with you but remind me of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► when I take a case of I don't buy it on my Macs I've never really bought IMAX because I was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4792">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► Like they're not going to be in a harsh environment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► But once I'm carrying something around I have dropped my i Pod Touch many many times just so happens to have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► broken and you have a case on if I can find a case that I like for the six assuming I buy one that is like this. T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► You Delkin case I have a my Pod touch is I really like this case and in this case totally annihilate the curve. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► But if if the I just feel like this i Pod Touch case was does it's got like a five C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► It's like a little bath tub like a squared off bath tub. Fine I'll be fine with that I like the how the five C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► Feels as well I think the sex is great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► Without a case to see what it's like with cases as I would like the result of my trying the fix in person is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► think the six is not too ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► and now I'm doing just waiting for the October event to see if there's any i Pod Touch action happening there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► So are you implying that if there is no new i Pod Touch you're going to finally get an i Phone. Probably. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► Wow this is like I'm really I'm guessing there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4857">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► I'm guessing if there's a new i Pod Touch it would not have these bigger screens. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► I'm guessing it would be like you know basically a five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► or Less because I think I think the bigger screens really require that harbor display scaler which is probably only in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► the I don't mean a plus I just mean the six size like but no I don't simply put also an A.C.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► or Put in a seven and it doesn't have a scalar and it sure doesn't. Yup sure does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► It's not scaling up anything it's just a higher resolution. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► It's still that the apps when they aren't made for the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► or the display of there's only perhaps that aren't updated for the sex right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► Yeah but either way I'm pretty sure the scalar is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► and I'm pretty sure that they would not have a device with that size screen in this day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► and age without that scalar which probably means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► and they also probably wouldn't make like a custom part for the i Pod Touch and nobody buys them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► but they made a big deal about the scale of a my i Pad three can run you run double the i Phone apps on the i Pad for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4912">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► They're not going to do it until they can put it in it are things like this not the big size because that one that's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► think you would need it in there to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► but to make a great i Pod Touch like that size screen for you know for a kid for the kids thing where you know want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► give your kid a phone but you want to be able to play I.O.'s games then it's got a bigger screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► and I bet they still feel like an i Pod Touch thing they want to make I think that size a natural fit the bigger size. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► Not so much. That's an interesting point I agree with you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► and to get toward the six plus a couple other quick thoughts about the six the apple in their case no longer covers the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► bottom of the phone which looks a little jank here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4960">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► but is actually kind of convenient because there's no real headphone cut out anymore that you have to worry about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► And additionally there's no lightning port cut out anymore because I found that I think it was the Amazon lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► cables were too thick at that the head in order to get into the little cutout for the lightning port on the five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4977">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► So I do kind of like that and I do love the feel of the apple leather cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► and it makes the protruding lens not be an issue anymore but I don't know sitting here now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► I love I think the phone looks good I like having a little bit more real estate more than I thought I wouldn't fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► however every time I pick up Aaron's phone and she's staying with the five Best Buy your own choice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► I think to myself what the first thought is holy crap this is tiny. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► The second thought I have is my goodness it feels so much better in my hand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► Now what do you what do you think Marco first of all let me let me address the cosmetic angle. Both of our friends. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► C G P gray on the most recent episode of hello internet which I highly recommend It's a fantastic pod cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► but in the Senate see G.P. Gray went on a nice rant in the last episode of hello internet where he basically said he. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5032">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► Believe how unbelievably ugly the i Phone six is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► and also our friend Virginia Robert's blog post I believe it was the other day we'll put that in the sentence as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► Making some similar complaints about the appearance of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► So so should you be great main complaints were the rounded glass first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► and I think we're going to complain about to be around a glass I think I think they're right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:23 ◼ ► It doesn't it doesn't look as good like if you see the way the light reflects off of it it doesn't look like a plastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5063">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► covering it it does not look as good however I think it feels so much better that it I think is worth I think it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► good too like the ugliest Phone design is five and five S. Design and if I had maybe the three G.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► Comes close but I really didn't like the the five five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► As I thought it was just terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► and always it was a super boring sharp edges no no interest where is the curve glass like that the whole thing is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► but it's actually made of glass you know it's not the first one to do a ton of the tons so the hundred people are right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5096">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► and yes we are aware of many many Android phones about curved glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► and all sorts of curves in every different directions with the first Avalon fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► and if they had like it I like that one of the Android phones that like it was on the front I like that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► but I was on this because it's glass and it's hard it's not some squishy little thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► and especially the joint that it makes with the rest of the thing you know tight panel gaps Lexus the relentless pursuit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► of professional ball bearings accent neutral anyway all that's what I think it reflects well on the device I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► understand some people being annoyed by the antenna lines on the back yeah that was that was the other thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► when I think Virginia does does Well I think the antenna lines are indeed ugly I think the backs of these phones are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► I wouldn't say it's as severe as as with Gracie ripping I do think though those internet bands are indeed ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► and I wish I didn't have them however I will also say that I have noticed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5155">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► Significantly improved Wind Fire reception from the five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► There are a number of areas in and around my house where used to be like right on the edge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► and sometimes a drop the connection with why far. And with every previous phone up to the five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► and Then the six that I've had for the last few days has not had a problem like in the same area as it has like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► I reception and old connection just fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► and is able to transfer data just fine so whatever it's worth the wife eye is definitely better reception in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► current design and whether the due to something about something that requires the Baron's who knows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► but if that's what it takes to Goodwife I reception on edge areas of my house I'll take them all with the bands there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► They have the same decision like first of all that metal is not radio transparent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► and they want to have metal for like they have a classical on the five C. I think it's great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► but they obviously want to have a metal on that you can have the hand as you have that something that plastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► or some other material at the ready waiting it out so they decided We know we have to have a plastic part we don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► to make plastic panels top and bottom we don't want to make glass panels from bottom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► We don't want to do all the things we've done before. We can shove it all through a little glass apple logo. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► We have to have these plastic parts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► What can we do to make them attractive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► and what they've done with them is like like the curved glass interfacing with the aluminum. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► They're showing off their ability to manufacture to tolerances by making the plastic exactly flush with the metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► If those strikes were like slightly indented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► or you can catch your fingernails on earth they ever become that way like after you know a month or two months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► If they start to get on even an expanding contract at different rates or become warped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► or whatever that will ruin the effect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► But you know these i Phone six is that we've all seen that are brand new from the factory. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► I think them showing off again like panel gap though I look it is like one seamless material isn't that amazing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► grieve that from a distance looking at it like why those ugly stripes all over it but in the details close up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► I appreciate the craftsmanship. Like it's kind of like when you do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► I figured I'd call it would inlays where you someone I would have would work in the chat room anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► Like do you know where you cut out pieces of wood to precisely fit inside next to other pieces of wood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► and you're partial to guess what looks like one continuous piece of wood. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► That's kind of what they've done they've got an antenna inlays they're not ornamental they're fairly straight forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► but I think that it's it's I think it's a nice look for a necessary evil. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► Again I think the forest design is still the best one because it took on a sort of evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► and incorporated into the design by making entire back glass entire front glass we all know the problems that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► but as a piece of sculpture the forest wins. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► But as something I hold in my hand and probably won't ever see the back of it like the six yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► Honestly I think you know I totally agree with with some of the concerns that it is indeed harder to reach things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► the SEC's like you know going from the forest to the five. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► So certain things on Scheme are hard to Reka specially if you hold on the bottom in most of us do the upper corners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► became much harder to reach with the new one the four point seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► and the five point five that that it takes it in bigger directions you know it even more things are now harder to reach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► without like an awkward regrip or reach over kind of thing. No question that part is worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► However I think overall it's overall the sixty feels way better in the hand even with the awkward reaching needs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► Now have you noticed improved battery life because you granted these are new devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► and Stephen Hackett took me to task on that in Naturally any new batteries going to feel a little a little better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► or feel like it lasts longer than an older battery but that being said that and I'm making up numbers here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► when I got done with an average work day with my five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► I would be at something around thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► or forty percent I don't have a battery percentage on my on my status bars this is all just visually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► but I feel like I'm coming home from an average day at work with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5396">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► Ten or twenty percent more battery power remaining on my six than I ever did on my five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► and I was curious Marco if you seem to have noticed similar results or if perhaps I'm just crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► I guess it's better and I don't have a regular schedule so like every day I treat my phone weirdly differently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► Yeah I know I think it's it's close enough like you know we're not talking about twice as long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► No no no no no you're talking about maybe twenty percent longer so it's I think it's close enough that it's within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:31 ◼ ► realm of like every day variances of how it's being used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5431">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► or the age of the battery being one year newer things like that that I don't I don't think we can draw the conclusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► from that. Enough that the biggest one of batteries is when you get a new device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► Your old one has a way of least a one year old battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► and I think that it's always that if you had just simply gotten a new version of the phone you already had you'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► well this battery is better that's just a fact of life with with the mind batteries even more severe laptop so you only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► get a new one every four years. Yeah and it's even it's even bigger than the Hey I just saw the new version of the O.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► but it's just because I rebooted because the battery thing is real measurable difference even just from a year old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► battery use your phone every day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► Yes the new new battery is always such nice big when I mean I see we got my son and i Pod Touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► and like how old is that I bought that's not three years old two years old whatever it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► When he got a brand new one is better is way better than mine and I should have given a mild one but I didn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► Right so let's Any other thoughts about the six and then I'd like to talk about the six plus. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5488">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► Well I think some of them I bridge the two is software thoughts like what it's like to use apps they're just bigger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► So in that case you and I have used the six now for about a week or whatever will live in a week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► It's weird because you know obviously a lot of that aren't updated yet which is unfortunate because they really do look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► awful when they're not updated and I really I hope developers listen into this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► If you thought that an update was something that you had to like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5517">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► Maybe kind of casually get to and you haven't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:02 ◼ ► and you haven't even submitted it yet I know there's a long submission so you know if you're stuck in this mission Q [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5522">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► but if if you're a developer who's like well we'll get to it sometime soon you should reconsider that position you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► should really get on because not none of the added apps really do look awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► and most importantly they don't work very well if you ever bring up the keyboard because the keyboard a scaled also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► which means that everything on the keyboard is slightly differently sized than the native keyboard as in every other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► app on the phone. And so you may come to typos because you like your it slightly off from what you're used to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► So definitely get your get your ass updated as soon as you can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► Anyway for apps that have been updated including all the built in ones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► An example of third party ones I think it's kind of like you know so on our US it's like every Windows always maximized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:56 ◼ ► or whatever a West-End calls zoomed or different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5576">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► and I was it's like everyone knows always maximize the way maximize means on Windows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► Everything is always full screen edge to edge unless we get a crazy i Pad resizing apps thing but we'll see about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► And so when you get a bigger screen you know you don't just have you don't have more room to put apps side by side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► All the apps just get larger they get more space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► and so some of the apps I think are suffering from not knowing how to use the space very well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► It's you know even looking at something like mail like I even I mean this isn't even I'm not even talking of the six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► plus even just on the six I'm having this problem with mail where it just kind of looks like they don't know what to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► with the space yet like it looks like you've maximized a window on a on a new bigger monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► and everything just spread out more and you know it's it isn't proportionally scaled it by accident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► or I sent over cast out for i Pad exactly you know a little less severe than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► but if it is that same kind of effect where it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5636">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► This was clearly designed for a differently sized screen and it's just being scaled up to to this new one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► but it was obviously designed for a smaller screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► and it kind of looks ridiculous to an extent I'm getting that feeling all over the place with with this with the six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► the six plus I would imagine is probably worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► I did getting both my six plus was right a few hours ago so I haven't had a lot to understand that the reason I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► both is for developer purposes you know I think we developers have been lucky in all previous years for developing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► the i Phone or i Pad in that we've never really had to buy extra ones for him if I gave this rant last week I forgot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► but I live here on Twitter. You know we've never had to buy extra phones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► If you're an Android Developer the center take your developers generally have to buy extra phones beyond the ones they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► would normally get from the cells. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► Just because you need more stuff to test on people if you just bought a new i Phone every year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5692">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► This was the first time I really felt like I had to buy an extra one because the six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► and six plus are very different from each other not to mention all previous i Phones I think if you're a developer it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► very clear it goes from you know just looking at the sales numbers even though they're combined. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► Looking around seeing what is selling I even I asked a guy an Apple store today you know what roughly this is the sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► mix between the two and he said well you know they're getting a lot fewer of the six pluses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► but if they had them both in stock they probably Sun about equally because every since so many people asking for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► So I think this is very clear like we're not going to have one of these being the massive majority winner over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► other one. We're going to see the I think both of these are going to be major selling devices. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:51 ◼ ► It's important for developers to be able to test on both of them because they're different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5751">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► The six plus is not just the six but bigger it has different size classes it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5755">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► Please make sure I've had interfaces and landscape it has a scalar and it runs at three X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► and Like the entire screen runs differently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:08 ◼ ► and the way you hold is different the ergonomics are different where each controls might be different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5768">TS</a>]
01:36:13 ◼ ► It's these are very different devices from each other and from past ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5773">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► and so I think it's important for developers to have both. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► So what I did was I got my regular eight hundred eighty one for the small one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► and the big one I got an unlocked one at full price in the same capacity same color black sixty four so that I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► swap the sim into it and so what I'm going to actually do is I'm going to switch to the big one for like a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► or there just so I can get a feel for what it's like to use one so I have some idea of what I should be developing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► it like where should controls go how should things work like I think it's important for developers to familiarize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► ourselves with both of these devices because they're huge not in size Well that's two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► but they're going to be huge in sales and influence. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5815">TS</a>]
01:36:59 ◼ ► Anyway all that being said I think the six plus is going to have this problem even more of having apps just kind of be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5819">TS</a>]
01:37:06 ◼ ► scaled up and not like in like the old unupdated way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5826">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► but even after you have that your absolute OK you make your apple run in this in this banding rectangle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► It's still not really redesigned for it until you do something special for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:20 ◼ ► and I think is going to be a while before developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5840">TS</a>]
01:37:24 ◼ ► and Apple with its own apps really know how to use the space well enough I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5844">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► And so income it was what I said last week where I think in a world where the Apple Watch is commonplace I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► five plus the six plus will make more sense because a bigger phone is hard to take in and out your pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:46 ◼ ► or wherever it happens to be stored. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5866">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► If you have a watch to check out of occasions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:51 ◼ ► and to do minor actions on you don't need to take out your pocket as much so I think next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5871">TS</a>]
01:37:57 ◼ ► and in future years the five to six play. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5877">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► US liner that the large size line will be more compelling for more people because it's mostly sitting in your pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:06 ◼ ► and you're just not going to watch all day and you're using it when you have to handle vailable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5886">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► This year I think it'll be it'll be very successful but a lot of like us won't be switching to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:18 ◼ ► That being said it's going to be big and I think it's going to take us a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5898">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► or two to even figure out how to use the space. I think you're right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:31 ◼ ► We actually saw each other Marco and I this past weekend and I had gotten a few friends together over the weekend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5911">TS</a>]
01:38:39 ◼ ► and one of my friends Phil actually had gotten his six plus that Friday this past Friday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5919">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► and so I got to play with this i Phone six plus for a little while. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► And my initial impressions about it were firstly Oh my God enormous second. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5933">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► Secondly it was it was just it just felt to me a little bit wrong like the the six still feels like a phone to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:10 ◼ ► Granted I just spent a little while earlier telling you I do think it's a little too big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5950">TS</a>]
01:39:14 ◼ ► but maybe over time I'll adjust the six pluses indisputable e freakin huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5954">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► and huge to the point that I almost I think mentally associate it more as a very small i Pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:29 ◼ ► and then I do a very large i Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5969">TS</a>]
01:39:32 ◼ ► Oh yeah I think I think if the if the i Pad was the better selling device they might have called this the i Pad Nano. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5972">TS</a>]
01:39:42 ◼ ► I did briefly use it in landscape mode in mail where it had the split view going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5982">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► and I actually really really like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:51 ◼ ► and I really thought that was really nice to have that extra bit of context as you're going through email. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5991">TS</a>]
01:39:58 ◼ ► And so presumably that would apply. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/5998">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► To many other apps that will eventually support the split views but overall it just felt completely wrong to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► and i even if I was bumping into battery issues constantly like Mike earlier as I would be hard pressed to want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► carry something that large all the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► To me I have my phone when I on the go and I have my i Pad when I don't need to create a lot of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► but I want something with a little more breathing room. I was the i Pad Mini I should say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:36 ◼ ► But you know I have my laptop if I really need to sit down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6036">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► and do work I don't personally see were six plus fits in my life. But I mean apparently a bunch of people do think so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► But man it's just so you know the more I think about the six plus but I still haven't even seen in person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► but the more I think about it in the abstract the more I relate it to my beloved still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6054">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► but similarly trouble of the i Pad three in that it just seems like a compromise device. The three X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► Resolution scaled down I know some people say that you can't tell and doesn't matter and it looks great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► and blah blah blah. But I'm pretty sure I will be able to tell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► And even if I can't tell it's just such an awkward like what am I gaining out of that like four hundred D.B.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► A scaling down that's not gaining me anything right that is not it's making the hardware work harder. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► Render at a higher resolution and then taking away throwing away a lot of that information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:39 ◼ ► when it scales it down I don't know if they just couldn't hit the target you know they couldn't get screens that actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6099">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► Bothers me because I don't care for three resolutions or multiple to sixteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:52 ◼ ► but I do care that they're evenly divisible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6112">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► and I guess they all use was moving away from pixel perfect design who cares [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6114">TS</a>]
01:41:57 ◼ ► or whatever like why why make that compromise. You don't have to because they can't do it for X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6117">TS</a>]
01:42:02 ◼ ► That's why it's three X. Four X. Too much they can't even do Native three X. Three X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6122">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► and Scale down just the whole thing seems like a transition point toward something else because we had one X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:13 ◼ ► and We had two X. and It was a clear like we waited a while to us when we got it with a clean win three X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6133">TS</a>]
01:42:18 ◼ ► Scale down is not a clean win big or two X. Fine for X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6138">TS</a>]
01:42:23 ◼ ► Which we're not there yet fine but this just seems like a way station in between where we are now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6143">TS</a>]
01:42:28 ◼ ► and where we might like to be. Or maybe we can just decide the two X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6148">TS</a>]
01:42:33 ◼ ► Is enough and there's not any benefit to going to four or three X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6153">TS</a>]
01:42:36 ◼ ► but just the plus as a as a hardware device mostly defined by a screen because both are just one big screen I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6156">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► I think your opinion might change if you see one you know academically I get your points about how the scaling is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► No question but in person it doesn't really matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6174">TS</a>]
01:42:58 ◼ ► and the screen just looks really really good you know you don't see the hairline showing when you scroll. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6178">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► Single single native pixel lines basically hairlines scroll down what you can see them shimmer I think I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► Now voted your attention oh yeah there it is very you have to be scrolling the table you know extremely slowly to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:20 ◼ ► Also I mean I it's not so much it is really in the like in the idea that this this hardware is is compromised like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6200">TS</a>]
01:43:28 ◼ ► because they couldn't do for X. but They didn't want to just do two X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6208">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► That size so they were because they wanted to get higher D.B.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:33 ◼ ► So this is all this is the compromise and I'm only in the same way that I sit there and just wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6213">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► and don't buy any new hardware until the hardware comes out that I was right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:43 ◼ ► I kicked off a network well with the i Pad I waited until they had a retina model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6223">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► and even that I got compromised because the very first retina wanted if I cared about like three performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:51 ◼ ► or whatever it would be which I don't but even just things like scrolling order like weight to the thing you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6231">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► and I didn't buy an i Pad despite what I thought I knew I would love one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6237">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► Still when REDMAN I don't regret that decision. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:02 ◼ ► I'm sitting here with this two thousand and eight macro not buying into until it's just the right thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6242">TS</a>]
01:44:09 ◼ ► The plus is not the one like in turn you know I know where they're going they're not there yet this is a transitional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6249">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► We will forget that it ever existed and you know the correct one that that is a better better fit between C.P.U. G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:25 ◼ ► Screen and resolution three X. Just I don't think I'll ever be happy with that. I don't. 3. X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6265">TS</a>]
01:44:32 ◼ ► Itself if it was if it was native to the panel I don't think that we have problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6272">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► but I mean first of all I think you're holding the too high of a standard you know the way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:40 ◼ ► Oh you know regular people don't care is this is me personally no one else has those values I totally understand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6280">TS</a>]
01:44:45 ◼ ► Like if your phone is subsidized by your carrier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6285">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► and you can get a new one every year for every two years for like three hundred bucks you don't have to worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:54 ◼ ► like you know your macro decision is am I going to be OK for the next five years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6294">TS</a>]
01:44:59 ◼ ► Your phone decision is am I going to be OK use computer for the next one to two years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6299">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► It's esoteric like I just have specific demands of the heartbreaking people came into retina versus not right now this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:08 ◼ ► However I don't like I'm just not I'm talking about me personally like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6308">TS</a>]
01:45:11 ◼ ► when I look at the arc of the hardware if you are a hardware afficionado there are certain machines that are just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6311">TS</a>]
01:45:17 ◼ ► that was just the right time just the right combination of the all the parts were in harmony no part was unnecessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6317">TS</a>]
01:45:23 ◼ ► compromised by being in a transition between an old one and a new one right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6323">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► Like the retina screen likely didn't do much with the screen they didn't change resolution that in changes size until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:33 ◼ ► they can go retina knows just such a big leap such a clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6333">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► when they could have been compromised in between by tweaking the resolution increasingly be after they didn't this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:42 ◼ ► three X. One just smells to me like we couldn't do for X. Y. and You know we had to do three X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6342">TS</a>]
01:45:50 ◼ ► and We couldn't even get a screen that so we had to do three X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6350">TS</a>]
01:45:53 ◼ ► Scale down and here's your device and maybe the only hope this gives me is that maybe it means a plus size I thought. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6353">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► Such actually is in the works because if you going to give a kid something to play games on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:04 ◼ ► or watch a video on the back of a car and you don't want to give them an i Pad plus size i Pod Touch would be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6364">TS</a>]
01:46:09 ◼ ► and maybe it's like well we could have had the super high end screen on the i Phone six Plus if we had another fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6369">TS</a>]
01:46:15 ◼ ► bucks but we knew we were going to use the exact same screen and the plus size i Pod Touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6375">TS</a>]
01:46:19 ◼ ► and so we had to go with this crazy compromise but I'm just making excuses for them now does not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6379">TS</a>]
01:46:27 ◼ ► or hardware level none of that has anything to do with how successful the product will be in the market. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6387">TS</a>]
01:46:31 ◼ ► I think also you know you you're calling this a compromise device you know similar to the i Pad three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6391">TS</a>]
01:46:37 ◼ ► and I think by that let me know if this is fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6397">TS</a>]
01:46:40 ◼ ► and I think you're saying like design compromises had to result in something mediocre. Is that a fair characterization. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6400">TS</a>]
01:46:48 ◼ ► but like like River setting a dog he saw like a couple animation to look like him out of started a little more on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6408">TS</a>]
01:46:55 ◼ ► That's something that a consumer could notice that it is smoother on the six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6415">TS</a>]
01:46:59 ◼ ► but even though this is the more expensive model the I think the compromises on this are a lot less significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6419">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► and less obvious than what you might be thinking like the three X. Divide. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:12 ◼ ► Again I think you're I see what you're saying about how it's offending you like on a nerd level that I get I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6432">TS</a>]
01:47:20 ◼ ► overall device looking at it I'm holding one of my hand now looking at this device like I think this is rather than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6440">TS</a>]
01:47:27 ◼ ► saying it's a compromise device I would say it's more like a seventeen inch Power Book. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6447">TS</a>]
01:47:31 ◼ ► Remember that or a macro for a I was also compromised by the ridiculous keyboard floating in the giant sea of aluminum. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6451">TS</a>]
01:47:39 ◼ ► Of course you have a problem with the use of same keyboard on the on that thirteen inch Power Book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6459">TS</a>]
01:47:46 ◼ ► Well that was all of these are I think I call a feature too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6466">TS</a>]
01:47:49 ◼ ► but no I didn't really know that these are just part sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6469">TS</a>]
01:47:51 ◼ ► but you know it was nice to be consistent with you know your fingers you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6471">TS</a>]
01:47:55 ◼ ► and you know I can certainly let standardize on the worst keyboard. Oh John are you ever happy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6475">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► Anyway I like the six plus does benefit from having I would assume exactly the same fitting tension cool designing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:10 ◼ ► and everything like that all the things I say I like about the six of them do it just they are like I'm not saying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6490">TS</a>]
01:48:15 ◼ ► hardware is just the balance of the the internals in the screen seems off to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6495">TS</a>]
01:48:21 ◼ ► I think like the seventeen inch Power Book People are going to love this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6501">TS</a>]
01:48:26 ◼ ► and not maybe not all people maybe not even the majority will see it in the majority and how they might go for this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6506">TS</a>]
01:48:32 ◼ ► Either way it's a radio people care about anything that says that they have this is totally immaterial Mazal has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6512">TS</a>]
01:48:38 ◼ ► battling all they care is the bigger screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6518">TS</a>]
01:48:40 ◼ ► and said For them it's price you know do I want to under dollars more for the bigger ones as I said I think the six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6520">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► It's so hard to tell now because this exposes are so incredibly supply constrained that there are we sold out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:51 ◼ ► everywhere and they could fool fool people into thinking that they are the more popular model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6531">TS</a>]
01:48:54 ◼ ► but they're not it's like the gold iphone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6534">TS</a>]
01:48:57 ◼ ► but I think like you know if if they made a retina seventeen inch MacBook Pro today for my next for my next laptop I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6537">TS</a>]
01:49:08 ◼ ► might buy that because I'm almost always limited on what I can do on my laptop by the screen space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6548">TS</a>]
01:49:14 ◼ ► and yes it has a scaling mode but they make these really tiny and it's hard to see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6554">TS</a>]
01:49:18 ◼ ► I would almost certainly by a seventeen and try to map a pro if one was available. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6558">TS</a>]
01:49:23 ◼ ► The seventeen year old macro pro and power book didn't sell well as far as I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6563">TS</a>]
01:49:29 ◼ ► but it's sold because if it was like if that was your only computer and you only if you only had a laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6569">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► and you were a power user and portability was a little bit less important then no screen space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:41 ◼ ► and being able to you know use as much as you could in one thing because you had to be very productive on just a laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6581">TS</a>]
01:49:46 ◼ ► humid no external monitor. If those are your needs. That was a fantastic computer and those were granted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6586">TS</a>]
01:49:54 ◼ ► Education needs. But that was a really great solution to it now I think there's a parallel to draw between. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6594">TS</a>]
01:50:00 ◼ ► That and your i Phone being your only mobile device if you don't have a tablet and possibly your primary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6600">TS</a>]
01:50:07 ◼ ► or only computer if you don't even have a P.C. or You don't use one anymore you hardly ever use one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6607">TS</a>]
01:50:14 ◼ ► So many people use their phones as their only or primary computer these days. It does make sense to have a big screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6614">TS</a>]
01:50:22 ◼ ► It's basically have as big of a screen as you can tolerate carrying around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6622">TS</a>]
01:50:25 ◼ ► and using in your hand because so many things on a computer are better on big screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6625">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► and so I think from that point of view this actually isn't a compromised device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:36 ◼ ► It's simply another option for people for whom this is their primary computer I think is a compromise implementation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6636">TS</a>]
01:50:42 ◼ ► a device that everyone knows that there's a demand for which is a big honking phone I'm saying except that a big hunk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6642">TS</a>]
01:50:48 ◼ ► of phone is two levels of Commerce One cut categories big honking phone you're consciously choosing a happy medium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6648">TS</a>]
01:50:55 ◼ ► between all the other devices that you're not going to get to just can have one phone fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6655">TS</a>]
01:50:58 ◼ ► Once you establish that type of thing you want to make how do you make a really good big honkin phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6658">TS</a>]
01:51:02 ◼ ► and the answer is not render three X. and Scaled down to H.D. With a G. View they can barely handle it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6662">TS</a>]
01:51:10 ◼ ► I'm I'm I think in the back of my mind there's like a forty percent chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6670">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► or so that I'm actually during my trial of the thing I'm actually like a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6676">TS</a>]
01:51:20 ◼ ► and switch to it full time because like I'm exactly the kind of user who would like this like I feel like a big phony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6680">TS</a>]
01:51:27 ◼ ► like I'm not saying you know again that category of thing if it turns out that you want to big phone this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6687">TS</a>]
01:51:32 ◼ ► the only big i Phone So really big i Phones This is your only choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6692">TS</a>]
01:51:36 ◼ ► and it's fine like this is not just it just bothers me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6696">TS</a>]
01:51:39 ◼ ► and I get what it looks like is something that if they if they had a choice they would have done it differently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6699">TS</a>]
01:51:45 ◼ ► but couldn't for reasons of parts availability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6705">TS</a>]
01:51:49 ◼ ► or you know just like something didn't work out so well it seems like to me. Yeah. Again that's fair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6709">TS</a>]
01:51:55 ◼ ► I just think in real world use it doesn't really matter now. No it doesn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6715">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► Just just bothers me I mean my i Pad three is exactly the same deal gets too hot it's big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:04 ◼ ► and it's take it's got a thirty pin connector the G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6724">TS</a>]
01:52:08 ◼ ► and I was happy with it because I was holding out for as long as I possibly going to get a retina screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6728">TS</a>]
01:52:12 ◼ ► and retina versa non-relatives totally worth it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6732">TS</a>]
01:52:14 ◼ ► But I also recognize that of all the Retina i Pads This one is the bad one right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6734">TS</a>]
01:52:19 ◼ ► Someone like fairly direct and the four came out so quickly after I had four of lightning part right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6739">TS</a>]
01:52:26 ◼ ► Yeah but anyway the many many parallels and I say this is like I'm still using my i Pad three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6746">TS</a>]
01:52:32 ◼ ► and this is part of Apple's curse that like I have not seen it is a hard I'm going to get replace it with an air of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6752">TS</a>]
01:52:37 ◼ ► actually two but I've watched generations of i Pads come and go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6757">TS</a>]
01:52:40 ◼ ► and every time I said you know my pedestal pretty darn good the screen looks good I use it when I'm on my couch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6760">TS</a>]
01:52:46 ◼ ► and in my bed and it's just fine and I can go to three years getting a new i Pad and i bet Apple hates that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6766">TS</a>]
01:52:52 ◼ ► but that is a testament to the longevity of even the worst Retina i Pad they've ever it was a compromise device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6772">TS</a>]
01:52:58 ◼ ► and I don't feel like you want to get one because my hands are always cold. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6778">TS</a>]
01:53:03 ◼ ► Well like to me like on a personal level for a minute I think I would say now in retrospect now you know having seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6783">TS</a>]
01:53:12 ◼ ► both the i Pad air and now big phones I would say the i Pad mini is kind of a compromise device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6792">TS</a>]
01:53:19 ◼ ► The non retina ones just get rid of that. Well that way. Yeah I wish. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6799">TS</a>]
01:53:23 ◼ ► Oh God I hope they stop selling that next month so we can stop supporting a five chips anytime soon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6803">TS</a>]
01:53:27 ◼ ► The i Pad Mini doesn't fit in most pockets unless you unless you carry a larger bag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6807">TS</a>]
01:53:34 ◼ ► or a big jacket you know the i Pad Mini it's it's not always with you like a phone is also not as specious in feel as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6814">TS</a>]
01:53:42 ◼ ► the full size i Pad even though I notice same resolution but it's also that that is just much nicer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6822">TS</a>]
01:53:46 ◼ ► and also the fault of I've had a just a higher end device you know the the retina many because it's unsubsidized like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6826">TS</a>]
01:53:53 ◼ ► all the like all the i Pads It really is a very low end device it is. It is similar to the i Pod touch in like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6833">TS</a>]
01:54:00 ◼ ► The quality of components that it that it will probably usually end up getting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6840">TS</a>]
01:54:03 ◼ ► I think the current one was a fluke in that it had the same a seven as the big one the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6843">TS</a>]
01:54:07 ◼ ► and the same capabilities and the same I think it even had the same cameras [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6847">TS</a>]
01:54:11 ◼ ► and everything like it was just you know slightly clocked lower and lower quality screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6851">TS</a>]
01:54:17 ◼ ► Well looking at the i've had ere now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6857">TS</a>]
01:54:21 ◼ ► and having Oh now the retina Mini I think if I if I buy another i Pad will of course I'm going to buy that I bought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6861">TS</a>]
01:54:27 ◼ ► at some point whatever I've had I buy next. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6867">TS</a>]
01:54:30 ◼ ► I'm almost certain I'm going for the full sized one is I think the full size i Pad is a better i Pad like it's a serve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6870">TS</a>]
01:54:38 ◼ ► and i Pad like role for for the kind of things I would use it for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6878">TS</a>]
01:54:43 ◼ ► Which is not to bring it around as my as my portable device anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6883">TS</a>]
01:54:47 ◼ ► but as like a small tablet in the house like a small tablet to be next to my bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6887">TS</a>]
01:54:53 ◼ ► or next to the couch you know browse the Internet at you know on furniture. It's great for that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6893">TS</a>]
01:55:00 ◼ ► I think for portable use the big phones are just going to eat lunch because they're just so much better at portable use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6900">TS</a>]
01:55:07 ◼ ► they're so much smaller. They are always with you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6907">TS</a>]
01:55:10 ◼ ► and their higher end devices there's way way more profit in them so they can afford to have better components better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6910">TS</a>]
01:55:17 ◼ ► And they're always going to be higher end devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6917">TS</a>]
01:55:19 ◼ ► and they're always going to have cell plan because you already have a cell plan like you don't to worry about in the SO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6919">TS</a>]
01:55:23 ◼ ► their i Pad having a separate plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6923">TS</a>]
01:55:25 ◼ ► or pulling with your just in one like it's just such a more compelling argument for portable use to have just a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6925">TS</a>]
01:55:31 ◼ ► bigger phone and to have no i Pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6931">TS</a>]
01:55:34 ◼ ► and then have the i Pad if you're going to have a I've had it all have it be the in your house portable casual tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6934">TS</a>]
01:55:42 ◼ ► in which case the telling side I think is better than the mini you know my brain knows that you're right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6942">TS</a>]
01:55:49 ◼ ► But God do I love my my retina i Pad Mini and I having had a third generation i Pad and that's Aaron's i Pad now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6949">TS</a>]
01:56:00 ◼ ► I just don't see myself ever wanting to go to a big i Pad again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6960">TS</a>]
01:56:05 ◼ ► But you know teach our own that's what makes walk around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6965">TS</a>]
01:56:07 ◼ ► when the twelve inch comes out the ten one ten one little bit of it maybe going been some some i Phone self I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6967">TS</a>]
01:56:16 ◼ ► know I don't like we're over two hours are we really going to keep going. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6976">TS</a>]
01:56:20 ◼ ► We'll do it in the after show thanks but we're three sponsors this week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6980">TS</a>]
01:56:23 ◼ ► Mobile looks Harry's and hover and we will see you next week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6983">TS</a>]
01:56:30 ◼ ► Now there's still a silver to be accidental accidental death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/6990">TS</a>]
01:56:51 ◼ ► and you are now sitting on the train as it says to that list and the team Michael. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7011">TS</a>]
01:57:30 ◼ ► So you're bending your i Phone already you have even gotten one yet now the i Phone thing this reminds me so much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7050">TS</a>]
01:57:36 ◼ ► our you know the court screen in testing and scratching with glass and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7056">TS</a>]
01:57:40 ◼ ► and I'm only I'm only going to slam this one video that is the only one I saw that was the one featured on Time dot com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7060">TS</a>]
01:57:45 ◼ ► that everyone linked to the guy bending it a guess is the guy bending his i Phone six Plus. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7065">TS</a>]
01:57:53 ◼ ► So it's one part if you're going to make a video of this obviously you're sacrificing a piece of hardware you like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7073">TS</a>]
01:57:58 ◼ ► going to see it was kind of like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7078">TS</a>]
01:58:00 ◼ ► Like I was doing with the with the screen I'm going to stab her with a knife I'm going to this is like a torch to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7080">TS</a>]
01:58:04 ◼ ► what can this device stand out if you're going to go through all this tub trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7084">TS</a>]
01:58:08 ◼ ► and destroy a multi hundred dollar device it's like the U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7088">TS</a>]
01:58:16 ◼ ► when she spent some time since it's such a big deal like this guy who's going to use a million devices this video is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7096">TS</a>]
01:58:21 ◼ ► going to cost me hundreds of dollars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7101">TS</a>]
01:58:22 ◼ ► Let me think for five minutes about how I can how much value can I get out of this device of bending this device how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7102">TS</a>]
01:58:29 ◼ ► much value can I get out of standing the screen with a knife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7109">TS</a>]
01:58:32 ◼ ► and I think you would have to say like you just bending this thing or submitting it to a stress test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7112">TS</a>]
01:58:38 ◼ ► or even if you have a really complicated you know Dr drawing metal stressing machine they'll be like digital readout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7118">TS</a>]
01:58:46 ◼ ► and where the folk are MS And also there's like you have to compare it to something otherwise we have no idea if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7126">TS</a>]
01:58:51 ◼ ► better or worse than the other ones you have to bend the five S. You have to but you you can't just do it in isolation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7131">TS</a>]
01:58:57 ◼ ► So he takes upon he bends it it's really hard it bends like so what does that tell me you bet your phone for hundreds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7137">TS</a>]
01:59:02 ◼ ► of dollars. You didn't tell me. Well I've been to five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7142">TS</a>]
01:59:05 ◼ ► and It was harder it was easier it was like we assume it may be easier you know again doctoring to tell us exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7145">TS</a>]
01:59:11 ◼ ► equations that you know how much more leverage you get on a longer phone and every extra millimeter gives us X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7151">TS</a>]
01:59:17 ◼ ► Amount of force because of printing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7157">TS</a>]
01:59:18 ◼ ► and where you put the focus you have to compare you have to say stamp this screen with a knife stab the old screen with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7158">TS</a>]
01:59:26 ◼ ► Just this is basically my asking of the scientists here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7166">TS</a>]
01:59:29 ◼ ► but if you had to strap on the main thing we want to know is is this big giant phone more susceptible to bending then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7169">TS</a>]
01:59:37 ◼ ► Don't just assume that because you can bend a new phone you have therefore in part of the information that like OK well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7177">TS</a>]
01:59:44 ◼ ► and the only stories about the new phone therefore the new phone is worse no Ben the old phone too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7184">TS</a>]
01:59:53 ◼ ► but as for bending it the only interesting information out of the vending was one that looked really hard to bend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7193">TS</a>]
02:00:00 ◼ ► Ben as they point out in the video event in the weak spot in the side where the volume buttons come through because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:05 ◼ ► that's the part the little you know semicircular curve is the most weak because it's got you know it's got holes in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7205">TS</a>]
02:00:13 ◼ ► All that said I completely believe the story that someone had an i Phone six Plus in the front pocket of their pants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7213">TS</a>]
02:00:21 ◼ ► and the reason I believe that is because cloth is very strong surprisingly strong especially to the strength of the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7221">TS</a>]
02:00:28 ◼ ► know like pulling on it's not going to tear apart that's why we make pants out of cloth right they don't fall apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7228">TS</a>]
02:00:36 ◼ ► So it can and you know big big man's thighs plus a bunch of really tight fitting dress pants pasta phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7236">TS</a>]
02:00:42 ◼ ► and a pocket I can totally see them imparting enough enough force on a large phone to bend it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7242">TS</a>]
02:00:50 ◼ ► But it's still that doesn't you know that doesn't answer any of my questions which are Is this a problem unique to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7250">TS</a>]
02:00:55 ◼ ► six plus or could he also has bent any of the past models would he also have bent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7255">TS</a>]
02:01:00 ◼ ► and I've had many who knows we don't know. So I feel like this story is still an open question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7260">TS</a>]
02:01:07 ◼ ► If the i Pad is more subtle bending because it is larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7267">TS</a>]
02:01:10 ◼ ► and because you get more leverage on it maybe a little bit of this responsibility can haunt apple in that if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7270">TS</a>]
02:01:19 ◼ ► making a device slightly larger people still might try to use it like an old device by putting it in their pocket is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7279">TS</a>]
02:01:24 ◼ ► half a mile from a pocket is a little bit bigger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7284">TS</a>]
02:01:27 ◼ ► This it's in our pocket I'll do that too whereas I think no one was ever trying to shove i Pad Mini into their pockets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7287">TS</a>]
02:01:33 ◼ ► and if they did they would be just as bendy or even more bendy could get even more leverage on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7293">TS</a>]
02:01:38 ◼ ► Anyway I don't think this is as big a non-story as everyone else does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7298">TS</a>]
02:01:41 ◼ ► but first of all don't put your devices in your pockets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7301">TS</a>]
02:01:45 ◼ ► I think going to put on a show I can believe that she put in her pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7305">TS</a>]
02:01:48 ◼ ► and she said Why take it out before I sit down don't sit on your vices. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7308">TS</a>]
02:01:51 ◼ ► Don't put it on the front part of the pants because just because I think that it's possible to put it in the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7311">TS</a>]
02:01:56 ◼ ► pocket your pants and bend it you still feel that like you saw a feeling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7316">TS</a>]
02:02:00 ◼ ► Your leg the amount of force you need to impart on these metal things to bend them is substantial and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7320">TS</a>]
02:02:04 ◼ ► when you feel that happening in your front pocket God my God like I put my tiny little i Pod touch in my front pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7324">TS</a>]
02:02:09 ◼ ► sometimes and when I sit down on a couch I feel a little bit of tension if I over till I get my back up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7329">TS</a>]
02:02:14 ◼ ► and you know just don't do that don't think it's indestructible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7334">TS</a>]
02:02:18 ◼ ► I disagree with your statement that people should not put their devices in their pockets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7338">TS</a>]
02:02:22 ◼ ► Yeah but the six plus like it's not so much to put don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7342">TS</a>]
02:02:25 ◼ ► when you talk about like like for your back pocket like no one is no one's putting like their their phone in their back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7345">TS</a>]
02:02:30 ◼ ► pocket and sitting down in concrete right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7350">TS</a>]
02:02:34 ◼ ► My very limited understanding of these matters is that a lot of women do precisely that because their front pockets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7354">TS</a>]
02:02:40 ◼ ► simply aren't large enough to handle even a five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7360">TS</a>]
02:02:43 ◼ ► but You're cracked the screen like just from like plop in your butt down something there's not enough cushion between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7363">TS</a>]
02:02:48 ◼ ► the glass screen especially if you have no case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7368">TS</a>]
02:02:50 ◼ ► and a thin back pocket of your pants on the concrete you'll end up chipping the glass on a screen while you put you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7370">TS</a>]
02:02:55 ◼ ► the screen side towards the butt or the legged screen so I didn't get it on are you if you had it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7375">TS</a>]
02:03:01 ◼ ► Well here's the thing with putting the screen side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7381">TS</a>]
02:03:03 ◼ ► and if you try to do that your front pocket he got a little fake pocket where the i Pod Nano goes there's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7383">TS</a>]
02:03:07 ◼ ► metal thing poking out of that so he put the screen in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7387">TS</a>]
02:03:10 ◼ ► when you go into that pocket you'll be putting that melting against your screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7390">TS</a>]
02:03:12 ◼ ► Well that's why your left pocket is made for devices because the the little change pocket thing is always only on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7392">TS</a>]
02:03:19 ◼ ► right side. Yeah but that's only for lefties I agree with John. No you guys are wrong anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7399">TS</a>]
02:03:24 ◼ ► Like putting in your pocket is like you can have in your pocket as long as you don't get that feeling like Oh my God [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7404">TS</a>]
02:03:29 ◼ ► I'm now crushing the thing that's in my pocket. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7409">TS</a>]
02:03:31 ◼ ► Right you know you that feeling when you when you sit down with it in your in your pocket the wrong way or it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7411">TS</a>]
02:03:36 ◼ ► when you're standing up it's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7416">TS</a>]
02:03:38 ◼ ► when you start putting it under tension like you're going to feel that you if you put enough force with your pants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7418">TS</a>]
02:03:42 ◼ ► pocket on a device to bend it you will feel that happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7422">TS</a>]
02:03:45 ◼ ► and you feel it happening going oh it's fine I'm sure it's an instructor nothing will happen to it that's that's on you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7425">TS</a>]
02:03:50 ◼ ► But this gets back to what we just talked about with the watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7430">TS</a>]
02:03:54 ◼ ► If Apple had made the i Phone six plus two millimeters thicker and strengthen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7434">TS</a>]
02:04:00 ◼ ► So it was heavier and got better battery life. Were people have thought that was the worst of us or a better device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7440">TS</a>]
02:04:06 ◼ ► I think a better device personally but that's not what Apple wants. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7446">TS</a>]
02:04:10 ◼ ► As you've said several times I go the other the other angle is well why do they keep making a thinner Could you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7450">TS</a>]
02:04:16 ◼ ► get too radically thinner in one big jump you have to get there by a little increment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7456">TS</a>]
02:04:20 ◼ ► and if you don't keep getting thinner every year you're never going to get to the end point and someone else will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7460">TS</a>]
02:04:24 ◼ ► and so I understand Apple's philosophy behind this I think there's room in their product line for one device that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7464">TS</a>]
02:04:32 ◼ ► I think overall they still need to keep going thinner because that's that's that's making progress I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7472">TS</a>]
02:04:38 ◼ ► moving toward something that is radically better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7478">TS</a>]
02:04:41 ◼ ► But what all along that path are allowed to be bumps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7481">TS</a>]
02:04:43 ◼ ► and if I was going to make a bomb I would make it with a big honkin sic i Phone six Plus we are moving towards a world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7483">TS</a>]
02:04:49 ◼ ► in this in the first year where there's been more than one new i Phone the five c I don't think counts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7489">TS</a>]
02:04:54 ◼ ► This is the first year it has been more than one radically new i Phone And so you know if there's going to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7494">TS</a>]
02:05:00 ◼ ► obviously the only new i Phone of the year is not going to be some big think battery monster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7500">TS</a>]
02:05:05 ◼ ► but there is room in the lineup as you said for multiple entries and if they had say a third entry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7505">TS</a>]
02:05:11 ◼ ► and it was a six plus plus ninety nine where it had an extra battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7511">TS</a>]
02:05:17 ◼ ► and everybody has in the back of that would be fine. That said we all keep saying oh yeah we want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7517">TS</a>]
02:05:24 ◼ ► We'd love that you've made a little thicker have more battery and battery twice as big or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7524">TS</a>]
02:05:29 ◼ ► but I'm not entirely sure that is what we would actually want like you know we we haven't held a device like that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7529">TS</a>]
02:05:36 ◼ ► don't know batteries are so frickin heavy that we don't know how that would actually feel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7536">TS</a>]
02:05:44 ◼ ► Apple has most likely tried this. They have labs they try lots of things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7544">TS</a>]
02:05:48 ◼ ► They've probably tried that you know let's see how big we can make the battery and balance that they can it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7548">TS</a>]
02:05:54 ◼ ► and I don't think they're bouncing in that way I think they had their design goals are based on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7554">TS</a>]
02:06:00 ◼ ► And thinner than last year as thin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7560">TS</a>]
02:06:02 ◼ ► or thinner than last year I think he killed them to do the three with the extra back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7562">TS</a>]
02:06:07 ◼ ► and I think Jason snow also had a good point in his new show once a call I remember the number of things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7567">TS</a>]
02:06:12 ◼ ► Agreed yes on a great episode I believe it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7572">TS</a>]
02:06:15 ◼ ► and one he was talking about how like it seems like Apple has like a like a like a target battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7575">TS</a>]
02:06:22 ◼ ► and I don't really feel the need to give more battery life then. Roughly what we have now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7582">TS</a>]
02:06:27 ◼ ► Well it's a minimum like it has to be as thin as last year or thinner and I think it has a good battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7587">TS</a>]
02:06:33 ◼ ► or better and or better and Orson are always good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7593">TS</a>]
02:06:36 ◼ ► but if you can't you know if you can reach those goals I think a barrier you can't be below that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7596">TS</a>]
02:06:41 ◼ ► and they get they had to compromise for the first round and make it a little bit bigger than the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7601">TS</a>]
02:06:46 ◼ ► and that was all for them but you got to do what you gotta do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7606">TS</a>]
02:06:50 ◼ ► The thickness is mostly as new battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7610">TS</a>]
02:06:52 ◼ ► but the way to where you're going tomorrow is the key point to someplace on a chair on the C.C. One M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7612">TS</a>]
02:06:58 ◼ ► and you know that it still bends that's why I mentioned not just making if they're going to put in more room for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7618">TS</a>]
02:07:02 ◼ ► battery but also being willing to make it heavier. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7622">TS</a>]
02:07:04 ◼ ► Have your what do you do with the heavier you could have your strengthening materials in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7624">TS</a>]
02:07:07 ◼ ► but the bottom line is all these things are bendable they're made of aluminum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7627">TS</a>]
02:07:11 ◼ ► and glass aluminum Benza does not spring back like plastic does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7631">TS</a>]
02:07:15 ◼ ► or breaks apart like you have you have to just not apply enough force on these things the bend I could take my i Pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7635">TS</a>]
02:07:22 ◼ ► put half on half off the table and lean on one end of it and break it like you know or bend it or damage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7642">TS</a>]
02:07:27 ◼ ► and in some way and that's why I think pockets in the pocket ability of this becomes a factor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7647">TS</a>]
02:07:32 ◼ ► or at the very least awareness of what's in your pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7652">TS</a>]
02:07:35 ◼ ► and what forces are being applied to your bike just because you can kind of barely fit in your pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7655">TS</a>]
02:07:38 ◼ ► and then you sit down on concrete and you feel a bunch of clunks or you feel that stretching in your pockets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7658">TS</a>]
02:07:44 ◼ ► Like don't ignore that feeling that it's not that they're not main made of adamantium or unobtainium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7664">TS</a>]
02:07:50 ◼ ► or any other made up metal this is indestructible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7670">TS</a>]
02:07:52 ◼ ► They can bend and they can break and we know they can break when they drop them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7672">TS</a>]
02:07:57 ◼ ► We just you know we try to avoid dropping them we know they can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7677">TS</a>]
02:08:00 ◼ ► And when you plot the force in them don't put them in a pocket that's going to apply a lot of force to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7680">TS</a>]
02:08:04 ◼ ► Yeah I think it's important to keep in mind two major factors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7684">TS</a>]
02:08:09 ◼ ► When Whenever anyone brings up a problem with the new i Phone which happens every year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7689">TS</a>]
02:08:14 ◼ ► Number one if you have to ask yourself Does this happen to every phone you know it's a problem with every cell phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7694">TS</a>]
02:08:22 ◼ ► that comes out and you know therefore it's kind of you know probably unavoidable or at least somewhat reasonable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7702">TS</a>]
02:08:28 ◼ ► Number two you have to consider that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7708">TS</a>]
02:08:30 ◼ ► when the new i Phone comes out if you can show a flaw with it you'll get tons of attention you'll get tons of page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7710">TS</a>]
02:08:39 ◼ ► views you'll get tons of ad money from those pages. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7719">TS</a>]
02:08:42 ◼ ► You have a lot to gain by pointing out a major flaw in the new i Phone and this will happen every year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7722">TS</a>]
02:08:50 ◼ ► And people always try to figure out what that form might be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7730">TS</a>]
02:08:53 ◼ ► First it was the antenna thing on the i Phone four antenna was a much more solid case than bending because the antenna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7733">TS</a>]
02:09:00 ◼ ► was like you don't need a weird use case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7740">TS</a>]
02:09:01 ◼ ► I can just round it like that and they're going to get with like well so that's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7741">TS</a>]
02:09:06 ◼ ► but show me with other phones which is essentially what Apple did when they did their video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7746">TS</a>]
02:09:09 ◼ ► They didn't just say hey here's all the videos were here's my phone to let me wrap my hands around the denigrate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7749">TS</a>]
02:09:15 ◼ ► way I look at this no signal as like OK well then show me you know last year's i Phone or previous ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7755">TS</a>]
02:09:20 ◼ ► and somebody was eventually to do that but that's the key. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7760">TS</a>]
02:09:22 ◼ ► Like if you can just do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7762">TS</a>]
02:09:24 ◼ ► and say in this bed you have to compare it to something that we either are familiar with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7764">TS</a>]
02:09:29 ◼ ► or find acceptable which is why you know no one complained about bending with every single other I.O.'s device before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7769">TS</a>]
02:09:34 ◼ ► Maybe all of the previous I was devices were more bendable than the current range. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7774">TS</a>]
02:09:39 ◼ ► We don't know because the comparison has been made all people care about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7779">TS</a>]
02:09:42 ◼ ► Well I can bend this one if I try will hard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7782">TS</a>]
02:09:44 ◼ ► Well try to bend all the other ones or don't bother telling me anything but bending is a crazy right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7784">TS</a>]
02:09:50 ◼ ► Find other giant phones like you know try to bend the Samsung ones right of any age to see one such a couple of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7790">TS</a>]
02:09:56 ◼ ► older they develop like they built someone Benz N S four and you can see it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7796">TS</a>]
02:10:00 ◼ ► Comes the parts of the seams because it's not you know it's plastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7800">TS</a>]
02:10:02 ◼ ► and then eventually the screen cracks because the plastic allows more bending the aluminum does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7802">TS</a>]
02:10:07 ◼ ► and once you bend the glass a certain amount of shatters you know you're right that it's all the sensationalism as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7807">TS</a>]
02:10:14 ◼ ► know this is from being the highest profile not the most popular in terms of sale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7814">TS</a>]
02:10:19 ◼ ► but certainly the most popular in terms of like what people care about celebrity essentially i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7819">TS</a>]
02:10:24 ◼ ► and i was devices or the celebrity devices. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7824">TS</a>]
02:10:27 ◼ ► Yeah that you're going to get a lot of interest in the story the show something bad about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7827">TS</a>]
02:10:31 ◼ ► but as a consumer there is an actual consumer angle here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7831">TS</a>]
02:10:33 ◼ ► and the consumers want to know is this something I should care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7833">TS</a>]
02:10:36 ◼ ► or is it just one of those things in the way you do that is by saying how does it compare to products I previously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7836">TS</a>]
02:10:41 ◼ ► owned that I know you're with and the best way to do that is to compare to previous i Phones or previous i Pads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7841">TS</a>]
02:10:47 ◼ ► or something like that to say is it better worse or the same. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7847">TS</a>]
02:10:50 ◼ ► Does that give consumers actual information and then they can choose to ignore it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7850">TS</a>]
02:10:54 ◼ ► or not not based on the whole idea of like oh we're always complains about Apple stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7854">TS</a>]
02:10:58 ◼ ► and so I should not pay attention or oh that darn Apple they're always doing bad things so this is terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7858">TS</a>]
02:11:03 ◼ ► Let me know. Is it worse than a five S. Better than five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7863">TS</a>]
02:11:06 ◼ ► Are the same is by using information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7866">TS</a>]
02:11:08 ◼ ► and I can say this person did this comprehensive test that compared against all your things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7868">TS</a>]
02:11:12 ◼ ► and it turns out that the i Phones are no worse or better than any other one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7872">TS</a>]
02:11:15 ◼ ► Then I know I can ignore the story but I haven't seen that story and I get into arcs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7875">TS</a>]
02:11:19 ◼ ► and like I stick it into my pocket and sit down with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7879">TS</a>]
02:11:21 ◼ ► but if that's the type of thing that you do you should be looking for a story that tells you whether this is a concern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7881">TS</a>]
02:11:26 ◼ ► So titles and it's a load bearing finger his critique actually where's your holier on Kasab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7886">TS</a>]
02:11:34 ◼ ► or the low bank fingerless because I disagree with Casey's holding technique and I think he's right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7894">TS</a>]
02:11:40 ◼ ► Oh my God you know it's funny to me that both of you are the self declared official arbiters of everything of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7900">TS</a>]
02:11:48 ◼ ► things your horizon is now I know I'm waiting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7908">TS</a>]
02:11:53 ◼ ► You're holding technique based on the things that you would measure a holding technique on one of the discomfort. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7913">TS</a>]
02:12:00 ◼ ► One has to be clearly like this quite already around is arbitrary because you do it it's bad we're trained the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7920">TS</a>]
02:12:07 ◼ ► What qualities of a of a way that you hold the phone are important might consider in which way of holding on is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7927">TS</a>]
02:12:13 ◼ ► I don't even know what to say right now it's not the way you evaluate anything as if you know what are not you do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR2ARos/7933">TS</a>]