00:00:00 ◼ ► Your new shows are good man Tom thanks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/0">TS</a>]
00:00:02 ◼ ► I haven't heard it yet so I don't have any complaints that might be the most Johnson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► or two something I've ever heard and I've said that phrase more than once in my life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/9">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► Well you know you don't keep pushing the bar forward if you want to succeed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/13">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► I haven't heard it yet so I don't have any complaints I don't even know where to go from here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/17">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► So we have some follow up mostly about lightning cables and glore really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/22">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► and that begins with an image of a lightning cable with the reversible U.S.B. Connector. John Munch Tell me about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/27">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► Yeah this is confusing if you just hear it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/37">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► but it's talking about is a cable that you have now that you used to connect to your Lightning connector enabled I.O.'s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/38">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► device so it's got a little tiny connector one and it's got a regular plain old big fat U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/46">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► Thing on the other end and they're not changing the Lightning connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/50">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► and the rumor is on these rumor sites that they're going to change the U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/53">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► and To be reversible and they do that by like if you look at a U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/57">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► Connector head on it's like there's an empty part and a part filled of plastic sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/61">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► and this sort of takes the empty part draws a line to the center of the connector and then flipped it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/65">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► So now there's an empty part on top I'm departing dollar bottom a plastic part of the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/71">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► and this type of connector is not like an Apple invention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/74">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► and it's not a new thing that's been around I don't know how many. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/77">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► For a couple years I think I've seen these how long have these things going around of us in them before never seen it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/80">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► hadn't seen it before this but someone did point out quickly after this article came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/85">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► and some other company actually has a patent on it and then they already sell cables like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/89">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► Yeah it was I think the reason I saw it was like back on hypercritical so long ago when I was talking about the U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/94">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► Connector and how it was how it was externally symmetrical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/99">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► but internally asymmetrical everybody Simulink So look at this company selling these things that are externally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/102">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► and internally symmetrical and it still kind of work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/107">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► So anyway the rumor is that Apple's going to dob to one of those I don't know how much credence to give this this rumor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/110">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► but when I think about it I'm wondering like. Will this make Will this make people's lives easier. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/116">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► Like you know obviously reversible is a good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/123">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► but if you have a collection of wires in your house some of them are reverse order and some of them aren't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/126">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► I'm thinking it will probably still make things better especially if they put the logo on both sides of the reversible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/132">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► one for us for people don't know the Apple code for figuring out how to put your U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/136">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► Connector in as long as it's not vertical and you're screwed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/141">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► Good luck Is it a little logo faces up right and so they only put the logo on one side of the U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/143">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► Connector is now on face up so this is the long on both sides. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/150">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► and be reassured Apple people will be reassured that they're putting in the right way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/154">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► and it just so happens that there's a logo on both sides you know they were both wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/158">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► and spent the last few years building up an immunity imperiled it'll work out good for everybody. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/161">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► He biased both got that can I get one if I get one that you both got not just not as funny. OK I got it all right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/166">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► Anyway I think I can I think the average experience the average frustration experience will improve with this Now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/173">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► said Is Apple going to do this they're going to pay for whatever stupid patent is on this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/179">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► Does it decrease the reliability of the connectors I have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/184">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► but I am cautiously optimistic about this if it does come to past I think I have to give it a tentative thumbs up which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/188">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► at this point it's not as high praise as you could give or would I would rather have that cool reversible U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/196">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► You know whatever connector which is much smaller than these giant things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/203">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► and you know honestly I keep looking to the sides those MacBook it's like wow now that now that the Internet is gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/206">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► the U.S.B. Is looking pretty fat on the edges right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/212">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► But I've got a slim down to the skinny one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/216">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► and two quick comments on this new connector one in this new old US be reversed because your one is that I think it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/218">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► and be reversible because I have to imagine that many many conditions in many cases possibly the majority. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/227">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► I've been a lot of people leave that end of the cable plugged in pretty much all the time and they just have the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/234">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► Other end like the end because of the phone that's the part that dangling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/240">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► and you connect the phone so if you for example if you have a charger that's always bought into the same spot on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/242">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► same wall and you just have the cable down in there and now you put the phone into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/247">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► or if you have a desktop computer or if you have a laptop doctor the same place every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/250">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► and then you have the cable is always plugged into the laptop and in the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/254">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► and is open you know so it's a little bit less important although certainly if you can get it there it's better the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/257">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► other thing is if you look at this connector if you look at those pictures that that are in this article about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/264">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► It looks like the way they did this was to leave less space for you know the part on the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/270">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► and that slides in to this enclosure so the like it is like the part they cut out to make the second side of the plug. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/279">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► Like they didn't it's it isn't the same size as the full size cutout on a one sided plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/289">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► and so I fear that if you did this I don't know how the port is constructed I assume there are springy pins on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/294">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► computer side of it that press against these terminals in here not the whole white thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/300">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► or the whole plastic bit in the middle man move. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/304">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► I don't know if it's that that's a rigid it might actually might actually move I have no idea how this connector is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/306">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► made presumably like since it's Since this is an actual product in the market presumably it fits in all standard ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/311">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► somehow does it fit with more wiggling does something move is it awkward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/317">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► or are there like weird non-compliant ports that it doesn't fit in I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/321">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► Right because she my concern would be that if it's rigid which it had probably is I don't I think making a move would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/325">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► be problematic if it's rigid then it looks like it might compress the spring pins in the port significantly more than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/332">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► and possibly like loosen them up a little bit so that regular plugs might not work as well in that same port in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/342">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► Yeah if Apple puts out presumably they will test it to death with every single one of their products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/348">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► and you know screw you if you try to plug it into your P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/353">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► or Laptop or sell your charger from I think it's more likely Apple will skip. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/355">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► After And just wait until the reversal U.S.B. Plug is official is an official thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/360">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► When until Intel chipset support whatever version of U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/364">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► That needs and then just move to that on other computers and call the problems off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/367">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► and you know put out a cable that has that I want and that's it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/371">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► Yeah Sawyer that I know I have no way to rate this rumor is just some random thing in the picture tells you nothing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/374">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► So speaking of lightning cables friend of the show Daniel jacket was sharing with us amongst others some shots of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/382">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► and how it's always framing what is the little sleeve there the cuff there I was forget the name isn't rain relief. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/394">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► Yes thank you so outside of the strain relief cough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/401">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► and split it seems like it's more of a strain to lay a cuff just move the string up the cable by a half inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/405">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► and just put all the string at that point instead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/412">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► Strain concentrator was the term Some people use the I think maybe after drying my daughter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/414">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► and so he wasn't the only one of us is a sin to be opposed to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/419">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► and we'll put the link to the tween the show is he going to look at the picture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/422">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► It's a lightning cable just underneath the strain relief the plastic that surround the wire is split open. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/425">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► Tons of people tweeted pictures of their own cables all split in the exact same spot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/429">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► Like I mean obviously this is not a representative sample in the sense one person sees someone else's picture they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/435">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► I have a mike but it's clear that this is where these things break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/440">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► and this is this is a problem with these connectors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/442">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► and one of the interesting theories I saw from somebody was that this might have to do is aside from just a bad strain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/446">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► really design might have to do with all of the harmful chemicals that Apple has been trying to take out of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/452">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► manufactured products I guess that the early valve I can think of is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/458">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► when they tried to remove lead from all their solder joints which has the potential to make the solder joints weaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/461">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► until they figured out how to do without the lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/467">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► and there's some toxic chemical that someone in the chat room will look up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/469">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► and paste sometime later in the show that they used to use for the plastics that made them sort of more resilient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/472">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► and you know they didn't crack they would bend over never but it was a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/477">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► A bad chemical and had bad environmental effects. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/480">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► So they changed to using plastics without that chemical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/482">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► and it was like a transition period where the headphones felt like some of the terracing P.V.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/486">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► I don't know but like the headphones felt kind of weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/490">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► and like that you take them a while to figure out like we could use what everyone else uses that makes the best product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/493">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► but if it's environmentally unfriendly we had to figure out a way to do it without that chemical. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/497">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► So that's one possible theory the other theory that you know the bad strain relief that it's not actually gradually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/501">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► decreasing the strain of the bin but rather saying OK well the part of the sleeve isn't going to bend at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/507">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► and will concentrate all the bending right after it and that's where your thing will split. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/511">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► You know so I saw you know a million of these pictures like you were saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/515">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► and I can't remember not one lightning cable that I've had that has broken in any way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/519">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► I have a handful of first party ones I have a couple of Amazon once I don't really care for because the lightning end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/528">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► is kind of fat and I have a handful Monoprice ones which I actually quite like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/534">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► and not a one of probably ten lightning cables that I have has frayed in any herb or split [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/538">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► or what have you in any of these ways and I don't know if maybe it's because I have so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/545">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► and I'm splitting my time between all these different cables. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/551">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► I don't know if I treat them better I doubt that I sincerely doubt that I don't know what it is maybe I just got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/556">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► but I don't have this problem I did with a thirty pin connector I tore through almost all my thirty can connectors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/564">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► but I have not had an issue with lightning cable thus far and so I'm sure on the weirdo not everyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/569">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► but man I was looking at everyone else thinking That's weird man. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/575">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► Usage definitely is a factor because I have never broken a thirty pane connector or a lightning connector like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/579">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► and you know I had tons of they're all over the house they're still all here right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/586">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► I've never broken any of them and it's not just dumb luck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/589">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► and I'm not like I've had too many cables for this to be like I just got lucky and it never got one that failed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/592">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► and these are super older into oil rigs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/597">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► No i Pod in the attic with the cable for the very problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/600">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► but that's not to say that it's these people's fault because it's clear that people are going to use these devices in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/602">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► way that breaks them and it's Apple's job to make sure they don't break when people use them the way they use them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/608">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► What are those people doing differently than I am doing probably pulling them out by the cable. Like that's my guess. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/614">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► I do that I do that all the time now pulling them out on an angle like you know I baby my hardware early on so it most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/620">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► and so you know it's not again this is not these people's fault as Apple's You help to make a product that withstand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/628">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► and the lighting cable seem to have a weakness for Normally all these people are abusing their all these people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/635">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► or children yanking them out it's just that they are not you know carefully pulling the connector out exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/641">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► perpendicular to the surface of the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/646">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► and all this crazy crap that people who are you know you know because of the hardware do so I think this is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/647">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► and I really hope it's not another one of the situations where it's like you know we could make a more robust strain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/655">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► relief but that would require those little ribs originals are ugly and it looks so nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/660">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► when we just have a little sleeve smooth and it's only a little bit wider than the cable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/664">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► So I really hope that's not the case and I hope they do improve cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/669">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► and by the way a lot of people in that same thread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/673">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► and letter are saying if you have a busted lighting cable that you just used in a normal way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/675">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► but broke there is some chance that you could go into an Apple store and just get a new one for free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/680">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► Some people said I had to make a Genius Bar appointment maybe just look sympathetic and are nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/687">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► and say boy I just got this phone a couple months ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/691">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► and I've really just been using it normally in a sting Broca's any chance you can get me a new cable bubble bloggers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/693">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► the cables are ridiculously expensive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/698">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► You know one of the thirty bucks twenty I still feel like that's way high for for you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/700">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► Anyway the point is occasional I don't think this is an apple policy it's not like it's like a warranty with a replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/707">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► them forever when they're broken it's not like an L Being type thing but if you were nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/713">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► and you talk to some of the Genius Bar on the. One maybe you get a new connector in this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/717">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► I tell everybody this is like the situation where it's not like you can guarantee them they're going to get nice free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/722">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► stuff from Apple. Maybe they will maybe they won't but enough people do that you say it's worth a try. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/729">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► Go in there be pleasant be nice explain the situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/734">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► and I swear I may do a new cable if you don't don't be all angry that I read on the internet I'm supposed to get a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/737">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► cable and I don't think so but I give it a try. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/741">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► All right and speaking of cables Let's talk about springy pants shall we. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/747">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► And John I presumed it was you to put this in the show notes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/752">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► Last week we talked about where the springy bits on the cable where the parts that we just talked about this week where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/756">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► the parts that move are are they in the cable or are they in the connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/760">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► and cable is easier to replace than than the thing that the connector inside your phone or your computer or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/763">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► and a lot of people pointed out in reaction to the last show that there is one very popular kind of connector where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/769">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► and that's the regular headphone jack one of that market you know eighth inch they called you think T.R.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/777">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► Jack or in the i Phone T R R S Well I don't know what any of that means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/782">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► but presumably somebody does because Marco tip ring sleave it's you know like the segments on the plug to bring sleeve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/787">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► and then tip ring ring sleeve is the one that has the extra pin for the headphone thing for the clicker. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/794">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► So it doesn't want to contact them as a ring entering and then what is the sleeve party at the bottom part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/799">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► That's just another point along the the little cylinder that goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/805">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► and yet it's how many you know tempering sleeve has three conductors left right and ground shared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/809">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► and then differing rings leave has a left right ground here in the remote doesn't it seem like both of the rings are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/814">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► Anyway whatever semantics so that connectors been around forever obviously maybe not so obviously you might say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/822">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► it's been around forever that has a springy bit inside behavior obviously putting a spring inside the connector is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/829">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► but then the counter to that is well how many people have a headphone jack on some device they've had. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/834">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► For a long time that's wanking now like that doesn't someone get a twist a little connector inside it sometimes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/840">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► doesn't stay in order or perhaps you have a circa twenty eleven highrise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/845">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► and declare MacBook Pro where you've plugged a headphone jack your headphone set into it just a handful of times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/850">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► and then the sensor or something got stuck between that in the infra red line out there may be fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/857">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► The optical line in any way to the point is I had to get a motherboard replaced in order to get that fixed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/867">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► Thankfully under warranty because something inside the headphone connector got totally out of whack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/873">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► and refused to play via headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/880">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► or via the system speakers in my experience the apple headphone jacks are very very stiff like if they're going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/882">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► Maybe they will maybe to spring a bit loose but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/893">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► when you plug especially if you plug an apple headphone jack into an Apple i was device that is a little quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/895">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► and there it is not just a kind of feel secure to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/901">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► Now maybe over time that will get loose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/905">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► but especially with devices like the ticking time bomb in every I was devices the batteries eventually the batteries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/906">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► Probably long before any of your ports go bad you can get the battery replaced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/914">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► but then by that point it would be like me taking my second gentle touch and go Well the battery in my second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/917">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► and i Pod touch is fried I think I'd replace Ron you know dollars but then what do I have I have a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/922">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► and i Pod Touch running lifeforce for so it's pointless but I write up everyone's Internet examples I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/927">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► but I just bring it up you know if they stop making the i Pod touch or if they just stop updating it ever again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/933">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► You're going to be that guy because you going to refuse to get an i Phone I want to you think I'm going to use like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/939">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► OS seven when I was twelve without no of course not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/945">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► If you'll turn to buy an i Phone I'll find a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/948">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► and I will have a little bit more follow ups let's power through real quickly. Local boys Sam Davies had. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/954">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► and talked about using viral case he was debating whether he should sign up for the horizon thing where they get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/963">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► Let me let me quickly interrupt and say I did I did get my seventy five seventy five symmetric internets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/969">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► and I have not yet had to sell sprouts. So all seems well in the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/975">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► KERRY Well it's not here yet but you say they'll come to a comfort but I was talking about how you can use your eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/979">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► and not use any of their crap their you know like not using their router not having the money their cable boxes in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/988">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► house not doing any of their on demand stuff not downloading their software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/993">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► and I said the only thing I had left that I was still using for Rossum is the N. S. Because if I used Google the N.S.A. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/997">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► I didn't get it didn't the content delivery networks didn't know where I was geographically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► and would connect me to a crappier server instead of the ones that are nearby. So that's why I was still using the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► but I hated it because if you type in my name that you know you typo it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► or whatever you get sent to some stupid virus and landing page with ads all over it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► and a couple other people send sent in a link to a page on the file size saying hey if you don't like that spammy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► D.M.'s redirection here's what you can do to change it and soon saw the page. I realized I've done this before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► I've been to this page and I did it and it's basically just you change your IP change the last digit of your D.N.A. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► As addresses from twelve to fourteen. The first three you know are they called. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► I'm not your first three Act that are going to be different for everybody is the whole point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► You have different in a service depending where you are geographically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► but if you just change a twelve to fourteen you will get redirected. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► And I did that years ago and I just must've forgotten about it and like in one of the OAS upgrades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► or maybe during the time when I changed to Google the N S I changed it back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► So thank you Sam Dave is going to fuel for reminding me because I'm an old man forget things to retain my D.M.'s to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► the non project one all right. Console sales that we I guess didn't get this one hundred percent correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1069">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► Would someone threw up in a tweet that I thought was interesting because if you talk about how how they're stuck on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► P.S. For doing a heap thing they're doing fine and Jeff I want to say for this cutie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► It's what I was going to say and Jeff Kelly says U.S. Sales for X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► Box One and P S four are up eighty percent compared to the first nine months sales of the last generation X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► and P S three so not only is the P S four selling faster than the P S three is not just a little bit faster than eighty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► percent faster and the X. Box One is selling faster than X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► By three sixty one so this generation is not just doing OK And you know growth wise the take was faster for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► generation than it was for the previous ones so that was I was surprised that I knew the B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► What was in there in the P S three I figured the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► Box one and next like three sixty were may be neck and neck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► but it seems like both councils are off to a pretty good start next month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► and then finally we enter the pronunciation section to follow up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► and we have the first is regarding the thing that Tivo is using that isn't flash that is spelled H A X O hover. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1134">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► Well apparently the correct pronunciation for that as per high endian is hex not hack C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► Which is I believe what all of us agreed it probably was. I went for Hicks or hacks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► Those are my two guesses but I wouldn't out of gas tax because that makes no sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► but there you go we have a new sponsor this week it is. Casper this is Casper sleep dot com slash A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► That's Casper like the ghost Casper sleep dot com sledge A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► This is pretty cool so it's a mattress and there on my mattress vendor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► and the way they do it is I think worth noting I think this is something really special here so Casper sells a premium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► mattress for a fraction of the price of most premium mattresses the mattress industry has inherently force customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► into paying notoriously high markups and you know this if you ever gone to you know buy a man. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1194">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► I hope at least some of you have bought a mattress in your life it is quite useful to have a mattress you sleep usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► every day so it's nice to get a good mattress in my opinion and I've always told people you know when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► when you want to get a mattress get a really good one because how many times you know I could buy a mattress you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► or four maybe you know not not a lot of times in your life you're going to a mattress so Casper is revolutionising the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► mattress industry by cutting the cost of dealing with the resellers and showrooms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► and passing that savings directly to the consumer they're selling direct on their site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► Now one of the ways they can do this is because their mattresses are really cool they actually like bunks down they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► come in a box like a regular size box and then you take it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► and it basically like expands into your regular mattress. Let me let me stop you there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► So so I got a Casper they were nice enough to send me a mattress and it did come in this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► and it came in a reasonably sized box I'm not going to try to rattle off dimensions because if I do it'll be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1255">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► imperial units than all the metric people are going to yell at me suffice to say it was a normal sized part what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► usually one of the mantras delivered it has to come on a furniture truck right you know it's way too big for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► U.P.S. and Fedex to want to deliver. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► Right exactly this is not the case in fact it actually accidentally got delivered to my neighbor's house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► and he single handedly like dragged the box over to our house and was not a sweaty disgusting mass one when he arrived. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► So anyway so we take the mattress out of the box and it has this neat little card with with meat diagrams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► and I think acceptable to have typographic setting up your castle. So step one your Casper's arrived Well yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► Step two Make sure don't pack your Caspar in the room a belongs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► Step Three use a handy sharp unsteady blade to unbind your Casper start in the dot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► and there's little dot on the packaging a step for unfurling or Casper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► and cut open cut open the remaining plastic wrap. Here it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► Sigh with relief and I saw this and I was like Are you kidding me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► And then sure enough I open this thing and I guess because you were like you're saying it's vacuum wrapped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► or whatever in so it's like sucking in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1317">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► All this air it sounded like it was sighing with relief it was the funniest thing I've ever seen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► So that is not a lie it is really trippy but really cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► And these mattresses so they're made of how they describe it it's an interesting combination. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► It's they call it just the right sink and just the right balance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► So you know I get sinks down as you said but you know it can bounce back up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► They use a combination of latex foam and memory foam. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► They combine these two things together for basically the best of both. They call it better nights and brighter days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► I call a good mattress and what you get for this you know this is this is a premium mattress and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► when I bought a premium mattress about ten years ago it cost about seven hundred dollars for a queen size. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► These mattresses started just five hundred dollars for twins size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► and the prices go up very reasonably Queen is a fifty nine fifty for King. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► I mean these are really really great prices for this quality mattress this is you know roughly I would say roughly half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► of what you'd be likely to pay at like a sleepy their mattress store kind of thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► So this I mean this is really quite something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► There's it's also a very you know I would worry how do you buy a mattress without going and lying on it in a store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► Well buy a cat or mattress is completely risk free they have free delivery and free returns within one hundred days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► So you can buy this thing and tried out for three months and then decide whether you like it or not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► Really quite quite awesome it's that simple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► You know because when you go to when you go to the show room you're lying on it for a couple of minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► and there's some guy standing over you with like you know a clipboard and you know that for sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► and it's it's like every stereotype of used car sales places you know it's that's how mattress servers usually are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► and you know you can actually just take this thing order it delivered in a tiny box let it sight of relief in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► house and then try for three months and you know they have this hundred day passes that's fantastic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► They understand the importance of trying it out in your own home actually sleeping on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► or actually sitting on it for more than one night and really getting in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1436">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► Really in a good feel so Casey what you think right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► So last night Aaron and I went into the into the bedroom that the castle and relax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► and we had a night's sleep on that mattress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► and I quite liked it I am not a fan of memory foam despite what most people think I actually do everyone loves memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► I don't care for it but this mattress was just the right balance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► and I wouldn't be making a big deal out of this if I didn't think it was just the right balance of a little bit of foam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► like Marco was saying but not so much that it felt like synthetic and weird. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► So yeah so I really liked it I definitely recommend it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► They're really good mattresses and just the unboxing experience is pretty neat if nothing else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► but if they are really good mattresses as well. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► From what I understand if you're if you're a mattress geek from what I understand one of the biggest benefits of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► over pure memory foam is that it doesn't have the the hotness effect right as like a lot of people don't like memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► foam to kind of make them feel hot and this supposedly dramatically reduces that or eliminate that problem anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1493">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► So go to Casper sleep dot com slash A.T.P. That's C A S P E R sleep dot com slash A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► If you're asked for a promo code or any point on the check out use promote code A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► and they do cool things are normally they have this thing where if they have a referral program where if you refer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► friend to Casper they send you a fifty dollar gift card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► and they give the friend fifty dollars off their mattress instead of taking gift cards. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► We are donating our fifty dollars to Katie's charity of choice for every bed sold they've set this up so that the city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► of us goes to a good cause. So if you buy if you are code to get fifty bucks off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► You could get fifty bucks off and then fifty bucks will go towards that cause. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► So once again check out Casper sleep dot com slash A.T.P. This seems pretty cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► I think the world you know the world needs something like this you know this is met by a mattress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► and person is so annoying and yet this is this is pretty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1556">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► All I gotta say thanks a lot once again to Casper for sponsoring the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► So what are we talking about tonight once already. I Tunes We don't do we want to talk about open source. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► You got anything to the topic file that you just know you've those old ones in there. It's late August. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► Nothing is happening. No one does anything in the tech industry in late August. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► No there's a lot of crappy stuff happening in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► but you know for the stuff that we need to talk about on the show nothing is happening. We could get political power. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► I like I can't take it anymore I'm just so exhausted from it you know it's this is this is one of the one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► times where I am happy to talk about anything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► and I'm happy I'm happy to immerse myself in anything else besides current events for this two hours this is a topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► that Casey should address on his other show where he talks about his feelings that I have a listen to part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► exhaustion is like you know that aspect of acknowledging one is it's good that we're in touch you know in real time at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► these events that we are care about because we see we see them by you know who we follow on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► and stuff like that or whose blogs who read or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► but it can be exhausting in that at a certain point you just start to feel overwhelmed with whatever the issue of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► day happens to be if you have it flooding into you on all possible streams that you consume content on the net. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► It can it can be tiring I actually unfollowed some people during this whole recent flare up not because I disagree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► them or because you know like anything bad is just typical you know I try. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► I want to read my whole Twitter stream and if you just becomes too much and I feel like I was getting anxious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► and nothing you have is you know temporary temporary or possibly permanent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► and follow a people who I totally agree with on whatever issue they're playing about is just is too much you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► So Marco you'll notice that John doesn't follow you anymore. Marco is not a high volume tweeter on this topic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► Not even I was I was a high volume retreat or I was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► Most every tweet England flight you reach we have like three things what you can eat like three things an hour every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► Well I know three an hour is low volume compared to some of the tweeting going Fleishman onions if you follow him it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► like I know I know I had done fog went to I THOUGHT SOMETHING ABOUT IT WILL TAKE A He was like I will I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► and every following him because I have unfollowed me fog Well maybe I'm just one of those things you have to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► couple times a person or you have to unfold when Fleischmann and then maybe you fall again and then you don't fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► and you know he told he tells people go to the casino that he tweets way more than most people can kind of read that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► the other day I actually now I'm totally crossing over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► but the other day I abandoned being a completionist on Twitter because I had like four hundred tweets from a not very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► long amount of time and I just went all the way to the top and it was a very traumatic experience for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► but I'm glad that I've done it. I learned a lot that I think that means I went crazy right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► Yeah I guess so because you're still completionist right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► Yep I mean I am ninety nine percent of the time but I was gone for like two hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► and suddenly I had hundreds of tweets waiting for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► and I was like screw this I have my problem is my favorite Twitter client has a limit on how far back you can go on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► timeline so if I fall very far behind on a busy day I have to switch to my second favorite Twitter client to get back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► far enough on my segment everyone doesn't have a unified timeline addressing think about either of these two different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► things. Far back and like mentally reenter leave them in chronological order. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► People use these clients that are I don't understand why you are unquestionably one of the smartest man I've ever met [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► have such cognitive difficulties interleaving these two things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► or even why do you even need them interleaved who cares because it's a running conversation it's a tough it's a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► honored sequence of messages that they're not random They're not two separate streamed It's one thing one person says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► one thing other person does not think just because one person put an ad in front of his message it somehow is in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► different timeline no make any sense that everyone should use unified time as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1794">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► The you know point home and makes sense if you're a completionist always. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► But like for me like I used to be doesn't have this feature which sounds like it's probably your secondary client. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► You sleep because overall I like it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► but like I don't need a unified timeline because I'm not a completion as I used to be and it took way too much time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► But even even if you're not a completionist when you're skimming though it's better to skimming unified Tang's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► when you said one thing to skim and you can you can sort of see the flow of the conversation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► These two people bantering back and forth interspersed with random people mentioning them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► or like I mean just I just think it's easier overall But anyway whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► Well yeah but I am a completionist for my mentions just not from my public timeline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► but people much at a point I do want to talk about the things Twitter is doing by messing with your timeline. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► I haven't seen it have any have any of you seen it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► I haven't because none of us I mean what is there to really say it's probably self-serving for Twitter it pisses off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1850">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► Well I explain my Explain what it is first so Twitter's decided that if you favorite something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► and Twitter believes it to be rare I'm sorry if somebody else favorites something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► and Twitter decides that that's relevant to you for whatever reason that they will show that favor in your timeline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► something of an example so John favorite some weird thing that has to do with video games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► and for whatever reason I am interested in video games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► According to Twitter that favorite that John gave to someone I may or may not follow could appear in my timeline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► and grow suddenly Twitter is taking control of your timeline which is a very Facebook a thing to do whereas as many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► people have pointed out Twitter in the past up until this change has been more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► or less allowing you to control your own timeline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► and this is doubly true third party clients where they're not doing like sponsored tweets and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► or at least not yet. So the more pairs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► It's where users are really up in arms about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► but I don't I mean it makes sense that Twitter is doing this because it's completely self-serving. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► It makes sense that I don't like it because I'm completely self-serving and I'm either going to deal with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► when it affects me and tweet pot or not and I mean I don't see that there's that much debate here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► Well it's it's a crappy thing to do though and you know it matters a lot because we're locked in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► So like you know so there's two problems here. Number one is that Twitter has now ruined favorites. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► Basically they now like favorite favoring a tweet used to be a way that you could passively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► and very subtly give someone some slight positive feedback that they might see and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► and that was that was basically it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► So I think that all sorts of stuff that you know like Yeah stuff I wouldn't read tweet necessarily because I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► want to necessarily Repos to people who follow me. But still it's like you know a nice quick pass a feedback thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► So now they've added more weight to that now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► Favorites of always been kind of broken because it was always very hard to view who favored your tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1976">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► and to be notified of everything like in any kind of scale so it wasn't necessarily you know a great system at first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► but the way they've quote fixed it now is kind of redundant because they have read tweeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► and so now they've they've made favorites basically act like three tweets in many places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► and they haven't said a further know on their on their page about how they how they're now running our timelines I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► don't think they've said it will work this way exactly forever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► I think they've just said we're going to start inserting things in your timeline that might be relevant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► and you know this is one of the ways they might determine what to insert is what's been favored by by the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► but I would expect it always work that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► or for that to be the only reason to call it to cause things to appear in a timeline that people don't fall. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► The thing is you know like Facebook the what Facebook has done with their timeline has basically made it so that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► by default hide almost everything from you and you know if you say you have ten thousand people who like your pay. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2033">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► I'm going to Facebook or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► and if you post something on your timeline on your wall I don't know how i'm sorry i'm not a Facebook user really so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► don't I don't really know how most of these terms work and stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► Basically only a very small percentage of the people who have expressed interest in seeing everything you post will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► actually see that and then you can pay Facebook to increase that percentage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► But it's it's really a pretty scary system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► and it frustrates a lot of people you know it frustrates companies who have made Facebook pages because that's where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► and then all of a sudden like their traffic to their page drops to nothing because they don't pay Facebook for for ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► to reach the people who have already said they want to be reached so that you know that's like imagine a Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► Imagine like if your tweets were only shown to ten percent your followers but the people chose to follow you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► but your tweets are only showing ten percent of them unless you do an Iran's program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► and you know start paying them for every person you follow that's what Facebook does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► That's that Facebook's current business model and so that's that's crappy for Facebook and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► and you know doesn't affect most of us to most of us are Twitter people a new way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► So Twitter doing this is is breaking the way the timeline works now they already have broken it with ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► and most of us use third party clients have never seen the Twitter ads because they don't show in their party clients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► yet and there's no guarantee they ever will. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► Twitter might choose not to just be in control like what the ads can do give them like the rich experiences that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► cars like somebody posted earlier today that you can like you know build your new Acura. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► Within this Twitter cart and all this crap you know that because people want to engage with brands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► and what Twitter is doing here is breaking the medium potentially and you can say well maybe they'll do it tastefully. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► Maybe Twitter's leadership will have some idea of why their product is so good and what's so good about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► and why people like it and what's so important about it and maybe they'll do something that is best for the product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2153">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► However I'm not holding my breath on that because their record in those departments is pretty poor so far the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► with with Twitter doing this is that all of us geeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► and a whole lot of non geeks have decided over the last few years that Twitter is this new medium where we get all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► our news and many people have replaced R.S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► With Twitter and many other ways to get news and discuss things with Twitter. Imagine if R.S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► Was centrally controlled by one private company or public company whatever by one company and every R.S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► Client in the world all of a sudden started inserting things you didn't subscribe to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► and you couldn't opt out of that and you couldn't stop that. That would make the entire medium of R.S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► Kind of weirder and not as useful to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► and potentially potentially bad long term to actually you know kill it long term. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► Certainly it would change it in a way that probably is not for the better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► And you'd have no recourse because the entire media is controlled as one company well that's what Twitter is Twitter is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► what should be a public open standard but by by various coincidences and actions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► and tech tentacle realities social realities that cetera it is a whole new medium. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► But it's just one company controlling it there is no open center for Twitter than there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► and whatever hope there was of having you know everything. Twitter killed that years ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► So what they're doing is breaking a very important medium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► and this should be a wake up call to all of us especially the geeks who listen to the show and us who are those geeks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► This should be a call to all of us to to see how important it is to build open standards instead of trying to let one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► company construct so much of their power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► and not to trust these big companies who've been Twitter started out it was geeky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► and friendly interest people with one syllable names running everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► and they were called they were in California everything's going to be great are going to change the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► Well you know what they did change the world they took it off them selves and now they have complete control over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2275">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► Run by a bunch of people who don't necessarily fit the original attitude of the founders and the founders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► and mostly all checked out. So and this is what happens. Companies move on people leave like we we let this happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► We can we let this entire monster grow. We helped it grow. We're all still using and I'm still using it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► I'm going to keep using it because that's where all the people are and that's the one place I can reach them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► You know the people who actually want to reach so we let this happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► and I think we need to be very careful in the future you know not to assume that these these companies seem like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► have all of our best interest in mind always will because you see time after time that they don't anyway so that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► when it happened like it made me think again oh you know where do we go if this goes south like it after that is gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► and tent is not like we went through this once when they were doing a bunch of things that we all hated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► and then a couple things spring up to try to replace it and none of those really worked out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► but it's like because if they went full Facebook on this like we would I don't know if we would leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► but I would be desperately looking for someplace else to go because all I need is like my little circle of people to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► and you know there's a reason I went after that like I'm always looking for alternatives is obviously I like a hostile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► environment for people like us now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► They've been walking this line where it's like well the people who really care about this are just it's just people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► like us are people who are seeing the show it's such a small percentage in the grand scheme of things so we'll throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► you a bone and give you this token system to the third party client third party clients won't have ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► and you won't get the new features the US don't care about that either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► and the same thing with this that they can continue to sort of walk that tightrope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► and say we're going to do all this Facebook crap to everyone else but we won't do to third party clients. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► We're not going to tell you we're not going to do we're not going to promise anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► but we just basically just won't do it like this will be their policy silently. Don't screw up the timeline at least. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2392">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► Small group of of not just technicians who nevertheless might have you know disproportionate influence over over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► whatever or might have the wherewithal to go and make something else right so don't anger them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► Don't tell them you're not angry in them on purpose to leave the fear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► and uncertainty there about about what's going on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► But really you know don't stir the pot too much you just kind of ignore them leave them off in the corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► and some of the strategies are working like they've been doing I'm not just things that people use the official Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► client which is like everybody else but us and I guess cable Sasser sorry cable I don't know why does he like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► And then just kind of Don't rile up the hornet's nest that is those techno ads who might try to go elsewhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► But yeah no I don't I don't like I don't like this at all I hope it doesn't happen to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► and if it does start happening I don't know what I would do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► Like it takes a pretty big critical mass of people to make someplace else viable and I have done that didn't get it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► Yeah and I think that is still strictly speaking around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2456">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► but certainly no one that I am familiar with it still uses it as far as I'm aware. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► One thing I wanted to ask each of you guys is how do you use favorites today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► So as an example I tend to come down in the Marco camp where if somebody does something that I want to kind of give a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► kind of quiet nod of approval to I'll typically do a favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► or perhaps it's someone usually guy English makes a joke at my expense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► but I want him to understand that I think it's funny and we're cool bro. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► but there are plenty of other ways that you could use favorites like a lot of people for example tend to use it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► bookmarking So Marco you kind of covered how you do it John what do you do for favorites how do you what purpose do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► they serve in your world as one tell you that I still am using after I met you know I still have a running every day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► All religions gays and people post something there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► and I see it I don't really post anything there may be our plight it's all runs in a while but I still run it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► I'll probably run it. Like the servers don't work anymore I don't know if a tree falls in the moon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► I mean right now it's really low traffic I got it I can take it like twice a day and be all caught up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► I think it's like two posts in the past two days in my timeline I was of her favorites I favorite I favored thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► things as a way to you know I like as the Little same reason I reply to people a thumbs up is like a little social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► thing trying to say I approve of what you have done here you've made a good joke that made me laugh you said something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► clever you said something I thought was insightful I could use it in that capacity which I think is like that supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► and the other way I use it is I want to find this tweet later so like a bookmark so favorite it so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► when I say Where the hell was that Twitter search still sucks balls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► and like Google you have that you know you Google site Twitter dot com type in some words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► or using your I'll try to now like it's terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► So favorite is my way of saying I don't have time to deal with this tweet now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► but either like I'm going to put it in the A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► or it's something that I want to think about a write later it's almost ten thing that a lot of kind of my notes my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► and I don't have so many favorites during the day that it's hard to go through them you know I do like a handful of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► they were today it was easy for me to find old stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► Fair enough I trying to quickly figure out how many favorites we had but you didn't talk long enough so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► but I was going to compare because I favorite constantly. I might vomit stars on Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► Yes you are you are an over favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► or like you just explained a situation that I would essentially never do a favorite where someone teases me about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► something I don't feel the need to Favorite them to let them know I'm not mad at them because I feel like that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► and you know whatever like yeah you do that like if somebody like it somebody makes a joke at you that is insulting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► Well they don't so if it's somebody that I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► and again will pick on Guy English because we all like I already tweet the Margaux speaking of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2634">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► How your behavior is ready to go up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► but I want I want guy to know that I may not be replying to this with some snarky comeback of my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► but we're still cool I'm not offended by it I'm not running away with my tail between my legs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► I thought it was funny I got a gag All right got a giggle out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► but I'm not going to take the effort to continue this conversation. But hey here's a favor to let you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► I understand I saw it and it was funny work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► or the funny thing is like do you guys ever check the favorites that you're receiving. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► I get notified on my computer but not on my phone bank notified when I got an actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► or send notification that comes my thing and that's crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► Well because sometimes I get well firstly I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► but a fraction of the followers that you guys have although over nine thousand What's not anyway so the point is that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► lot of times I'll make a really sarcastic of noxious joke that is meant in English kind of way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2694">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► Now we're now that's becoming a verb making like a guy English kind of joke. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► And I I want to know that if I'm making a joke it I don't know me Jason smells expense that he thinks it's OK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► and funny and cool and if he throws me a favorite then I know all right I don't need to apologize profusely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► and hate myself. And if he doesn't throw me if I want to just make that the default. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► Well just assume you don't have to apologize and hate yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► and assume that everyone gets your jokes unless they actually tell you that they didn't mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► or this is a difference between you and I I'm kind of serious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► But anyway now I think I think it's funny that like you know like we all seem to be using favorites kind of correctly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► Like all the people who I follow who I'm favoring. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► They probably all use third party clients and most of them have enough followers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► and get enough favorites that it might be annoying to be notified of each one and the third party client [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► but they don't really they really show you receive favorites anywhere useful because there is no good A.P.I. For it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► I think most people do what I do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► Do which is go to a site that shows you your humiliated favorites I go to right Dave start tons of people use those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► services and I think that's a reasonably healthy that's not good to be obsessed with it to be a help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► but like it's a feedback mechanism. Have you made a funny joke or not. If nobody favors it or nobody R.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► That you have you know it is less funny than are to be surprised that you said something you didn't think resonated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► but then like a huge percentage of your followers favorite or R.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► It and the ratio favor narky the something people are saving to try to give like oh you made me laugh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► or I thought that was interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► Or they are taking it in like this is something I want my followers to see as well so I defy Look at face of it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► it's like that doesn't come at me I go to fav star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► when I'm interested how have I done for today you know I mean so like anything some people who get obsessed with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► and they're in on their favorite sayings that again the fear is that I get to be ever who favored him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► but you know it's it's about that you don't you know you any site to show you the number of favorites a retreat you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► No I usually be notified by fav star that I did something that got a lot of favorites like crossed some threshold like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► one hundred two hundred of those e-mails are not just NOT biggest refining on Twitter if you congratulations on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► you know hundred starts with whatever and there have been a few times a year it's not a frequent thing that I get. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► I did recently start checking my retreats tab because that third party clients can show you know your last few tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► and you know how many recruits they got basically so I did check that boy this is boring. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► Well it's really quick real time for all of them will go to the next awesome thing I have eight thousand seven hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► fifty three faves. Marco has seven thousand nine hundred sixty nine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► John Mr stingy Syracuse one thousand four hundred eighty nine I think I have the right number. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► I live on Twitter along with you guys too. You probably think you have too many. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► Yeah that's you know I mean half of those are bookmarks or more than I do you know I actually like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2871">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► That's what we call Marco other than favorites. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2880">TS</a>]
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00:49:07 ◼ ► and drop stuff you can also go in there at the market if you want to you can inject code you can inject C.S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► We do that on our side to customize a few things but for the most part our site is one of their stock templates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► and I think it's a don't only a couple of tweaks to it that we did but it's I think it looks great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► and they there are so many good things you know you don't have to spend a lot of time on it if you don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► and if you do want to you can you can customize the crap out of it basically Squarespace a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► and you know I could make a website from scratch in some other way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► Most of the listeners of the show probably could make their own website if they wanted to but there's a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► when it's worth doing that and at a time when it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► and most of the time it isn't most of the time if you're if you're making a site for you know your blog your portfolio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► your business your restaurant your store your projects whatever whatever the case may be. Most of the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/2994">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► You don't need to code your own Web site from scratch or install your own CNS somewhere and get a host [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► or anything like that most of the time you're better off just outsourcing all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► and focusing on your business or your project or your content. Squarespace lets you do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► Really I can't I can't tell you enough how much it means that like people like me choose to use groceries even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► we could use the Web site because you know it's just not worth it to spend our time doing it most the time square gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► you the functionality that I could never build and if I want to proxy made it it would take years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► and they give it to you for a bucks a month. So pretty great anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► Elders all their designs are responsive Of course they look at our mobile they look on tablets look at everywhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► They also have commerce you can as I said you can build a store there you can sell physical or digital goods. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► This functionality is included for free with every plan really great really great feature here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3050">TS</a>]
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00:51:27 ◼ ► A better web starts with your website. All right so Mark are you running your sanity in any of your computers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► OK I am not either so I have not seen the new version of i Tunes and I'm assuming it's somebody only is Neter my crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► I know I've been assuming that like all versions of i Tunes it over be released not just for Yosemite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► but for all the recent versions of O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► Time which is why I am basically not saying anything about it in the review because for all I know it could be released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► before you somebody even comes out like they do that all the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3117">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► It's only visible unless you're seventy now but there's no reason to believe they could release that I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► and whenever it's ready it's not like it's going to be a somebody only assume I can guarantee. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► But today it's Yosemite only as far as I know I didn't have a gun looking innocent of that like I do in the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► downloads of the developer portal I haven't looked for them now in Iraq. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► All right so but you have spent some amount of time with Sergeant John is there anything you want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► Yeah I've played around with it and do you have any thoughts about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► Basho the first thing I do with every new version of i Tunes is bring up the preferences window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► and see if it's still at modal and if it is I was interested and and it's Top Model sorry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► Probably And whatever this is not the gigant like so i Tunes eleven. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► I think that was the one where they did the larger overhaul where the side bar was hidden by default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► and they are using now. I think it's eleven right and that was like well look they really changed the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► and It was different and there's lots of things that are interesting improvements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► and it's clear a lot of thought went into it it's all so weird. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► I've gotten used to it more or less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► but I did make a side bar visible so I've got to go back to the old mode the new one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► Even you know goes farther in that direction but it's not a complete rethinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► and so it's likely you're breaking my habits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► but are you giving me an application that's faster that's more stable that has you know that that does its job better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► or you just kind of like redecorating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► and I'm not going to say the current version i Tunes using is just redecorating is I think the way I know some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► hate us because of the use of the old one but like the way they handle the Up next stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► and everything is interesting if you like the old way then I can understand why you're pissed off that they made this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► But I wasn't all that happy with the old way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► and the new way as some features that I like it just it just doesn't feel it doesn't feel refreshing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► and this this topic is coming to us because part of the road and ask about like photos on the Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► We talk about is what I show you know photos going to replace i Photo we don't really know where that's going to mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► but one thing we do know is it's not going to be i Photo with like the U. Why refreshed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► Right it's going to be let's rethink how we do photo management [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► and his question was he was wondering if we might see Apple do the same thing with i Tunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► and you know runs from where he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► when we're going to do something with i Tunes either split it up into a bunch of individual applications just rethink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► what it means to do whatever the hell i Tunes does which is like play music once you buy things and watch movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► but also sync and back up your I O. S. Devices and just I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► And so that's that's a thing that's a good question. What what does it mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► What are the next gen i Tunes look like what does it mean to rethink i Tunes. That's See there's there's a lot there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► I think what a lot of people forget is that i Tunes has to run on Windows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► And the reason it has running Windows is because you know it's not necessarily because Apple needs to sell music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► and movies to Windows people I mean they I'm sure they like doing that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► I'm sure that's a significant portion of buyers but the biggest reason is that people who sync i Pods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► and i have an i Phone and i Pad people who think i Devices need something to sync them with on Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► and by keeping all this functionality in i Tunes It lets them have the shared code base that runs on both Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► and mac and handles all their Iowa sinking and media needs for them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► So I would say we're not going to see the kind of big rewrite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► and put up a functionality that that I think most of us would like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► In theory I'd say we're not going to see that until it's no longer necessary to to have a version of i Tunes that runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► on Windows. So what does that mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► So right now where where why do you think we won't see that until two thousand if anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► or make that job easier if they split it up into pieces the only piece that needs to live on Windows is the piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► or do you think you're right with devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► and that presently would be a simpler app than constantly having to keep the full functionality of i Tunes updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► or running on Windows right. Well not necessarily. First of all they you know keep my what signal I was devices. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3353">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► and I still do manually sync media over to your eye US devices because you know what i Tunes Match doesn't always work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► and a lot of times it's a lot easier to sync over a whole bunch of downloaded files that you already have on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► computer. Put it over a wire and put on your device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► Then to try to do the same thing over the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► and use God knows how much bandwidth at you know no idea how fast it's going to go and you know it's but war. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► How does the status of stuff get onto your mac like you say my home movies that you take or something like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► Music movies you know whatever the case I think all the stuff comes from the network to begin listening for us people I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► don't think a lot of people are taking home movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► and putting them into their i Tunes I like it they're on their i OS device already has they take them on their hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► but a lot of I'm talking more like you know movies that you buy from i Tunes music that you've accumulated over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► People people have large media collections that that they want to sink quickly to a device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► and a lot of times re downloading it all over the Internet is impossible or impractical. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3416">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► So there is still there is still the need for this. Also a lot of people might not a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► Some people might still back up over cable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► That's what's important is days because I think I think I've had backup is by far more popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► but either way there are still a lot of people it is now there is one other major part here which is i Pods which still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► exist they don't they're not doing that well but they still exist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► They're still for sale and are still a good number of them out there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► and you know the number is probably going down over time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► but it has a long way to go down though so I've hides most of them have no network connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► and so you need to sync an i Pod from I do there is no other way to get music onto excluding the talks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► but you know that the the non touch i Pod I'm talking about here of the talks isn't doing so hot either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► But you need to have some way to get the media on to those and manage that media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► and i Tunes are still requires that So I think we're not going to see. So I think you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3474">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► Those are very patient company especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► when it comes to big tactical shifts like this I think Apple is probably going to do what it needs to do it i Tunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► only after it can discontinue the Windows version or substantially shrink it down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► and I don't think that's going to happen until it is no longer important to be able to sync music to i Pods for Windows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► Well they have a technical debt problem though that even if you decide that every ounce of functionality with an i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► and crap like that needs to stay there because just because a a rewrite of the i Tunes application like long term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► I don't know how much of your crufty carbon stuff is in there I know a lot of their Windows libraries were based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► carbon and if the mac origin was also carbon then your diverge in the code bases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► but it's not like you're in a port Kokoda windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► and so how do you deal with that like to make the application better eventually application gets old and gross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► and you need to rewrite portion of it and I'm sure they've been doing that slowly over the years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► but depending on how long it takes to wait out if they're doing this tragic like well then she will need to know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► anyway but if they're going to wait that out it may take such a long time and really like the State of the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► On Windows is already moving on and not that Apple's been keeping up with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► but eventually you'll have to have to do something on Windows like their application won't won't fit in maybe it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► and oh Microsoft historically has been super good about making all the applications work for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► but maybe the new Microsoft isn't as excited about that. So it's kind of a game of chicken with progress. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► Well we'll keep doing this thing we keep kind of refreshing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► but we are held back by the fact that our windows compared to Windows U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► Libraries based on like old quick time libraries in carbon code or whatever and that's what we have to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► and we want to share based Kobe said to keep Usenet on the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► and i Tunes becomes this increasingly weird application both on the Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► And I wonder as I mean already on the mac where it supposedly native It's it's odd it's always been a little odd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► and windows. It's also always been a little bit odd. So I I wonder how long we can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3595">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► They can keep going in this direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► and I still think you can make a smaller simpler more purpose built app that fills all of Apple's needs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► You know like take out as much as you can but still let people think their i Pods and do their and buy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► and put them on but it becomes like the whole purpose that applications like what you said why do they need to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► when this is a companion application for your i was devices and that's all it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► And if that's how you focus the application looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► and works very differently than it does now it doesn't look like a music player that also has a little thing you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► click that changes it into kind of an. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► And I was device management application like it that's all it is is just an I was device management application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► and I would think that they did that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► That i Tunes is important enough that they get dedicated team to write i Tunes for Windows a separate application not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► be obsessed with sharing all the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► and everything to say look you like the biggest technology company in the world this is a core part of your business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► and up can't just spare a small team to write a full native I'm sure Windows people would love this a full native [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3658">TS</a>]
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01:01:27 ◼ ► other things that i Tunes does and one thing that I came up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3687">TS</a>]
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01:01:52 ◼ ► the purpose of i Tunes which is I think coming back to Todd's point change the purpose of i Tunes look at it more is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► device management than is anything else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► But if that's the case then what do you do with the store I mean I think Marco you made a great point earlier is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► Well we've got the mac app store app right which is set for those all of the things on the mac apps so came people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3728">TS</a>]
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01:05:14 ◼ ► So what you're saying is that you think it would be an improvement if Apple made more applications that are like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/3914">TS</a>]
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01:09:00 ◼ ► One little thing to say here that I'm sure will be a quick topic that nobody will argue with is i Tunes really that bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► does it really justify all or it is it is bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► Does it really justify all of the work that it would take to rewrite the whole thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► Break it up into different apps lose Windows support lose some of the you know losing one to support you're making a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► new one of those two are numbered. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► but then like you know the media is the media store still there you know it right now they also enjoy a benefit of if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► you have an i Phone and you want to sing to your computer you have to install the i Tunes music store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► and you have to look at it sometimes and so that has to drive sales to some degree if you have an i Phone you mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► You don't need you don't need to answer i Phone I was twice don't need I don't think you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► but anyway yes so some device that only the most don't I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► but the point is i Tunes works it doesn't work great all the time but it does work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► and you know is it really worth them spending so much time to rewrite. All of this all this stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4195">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► That's a massive amount of time where it would not only be very expensive for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► and would take a lot of a lot of talent away from other projects. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► But it also in the meantime probably get worse before it gets better because rewrites always have a ton of bugs at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4208">TS</a>]
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01:10:16 ◼ ► and some other weird way they didn't resolve the same problems again like it would be a massive massive job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► What's more important Apple i Tunes or i Photo that's a good question actually I'm not sure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► And they're real and they're rewriting I thought of what I'm getting at is like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4228">TS</a>]
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01:10:42 ◼ ► but eventually time runs out like you know ten years twenty five thousand years from now are going to be written. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► You know you have to do it the same thing with the new language stuff everyone does want to put it off for ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► and i Tunes is not just some obscure application it's like well you know whatever we get along with it is OK i Tunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4251">TS</a>]
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01:11:08 ◼ ► the new version crappy or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► and maybe that is why that I thought of it streams like well we screw up by thought oh it's all right we're just going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► to buy a movie a couple times and we survive that or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► but i Tunes You can never change well you can't just like never touch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► and you can't just like well it's Keep well just be rearranging the furniture was keep doing change to the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4280">TS</a>]
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01:11:31 ◼ ► But right up until you've released overcast beta I was doing it and I had to and this is just gotten worse and worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4291">TS</a>]
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01:12:35 ◼ ► and I don't know if they can wait out until the Windows version doesn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► and all the excuses about why don't I write something this critical like you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► but I think they said it about classic Macko ass for way too long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► I Tunes is not at that point the programming language I really wasn't at that point but these things take time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► or later it's got to be done you know I actually I think it does need to be done eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4373">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► but I I lean towards Marco's view on this one in that I don't ask that much of i Tunes and it does its job just fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► or download movies for you until you discuss movies that you've purchased elsewhere just for money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► No no never never consume all memory and you can do when you want it does to me No no. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► If your macro too old now I can't not buy you program and it has unfriendly bug that has tons of crap in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► and this is like a delicate thing you don't want to touch too much like as a user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► and it's not it's not pleasant it's not friendly it's not nice. C. and I for regular like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► Not super duper power user I'm not so sure you're right I think it's a drought and could be better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► Yes it could be better you think you get the job done yes obviously it functions like it does not I supposed to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► but we're arguing like is a good enough is it up to Apple standards. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► Could it be improved or are we just going to keep like has the power of the trendy and i Tunes progress like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4433">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► Every new version of i Tunes better than the previous one even if the slope is really shallow going back maybe five you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► know seven years I think the slope is flat or trending down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► and that is not a good trend for an application that's so important for Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► but there's so much technical depth there that it's moving amount in order to I know in the longer you wait the bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► the mound gets and that's true as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► I just I don't know to me I think they have bigger fish to fry than fix fixing i Tunes per side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► and I think this is a bigger slam dunk then then new programming language because new profiling of people on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► opposite side not only is Objective C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► Just fine in fact it's better than anything you can suggest so they sure as hell don't need a new language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► and luckily Apple does agree with that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► I Tunes I don't think anyone's going to say not only is itunes just fine in fact it's better than any alternative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► you're going to magine therefore you know the most you get like well I do and it's all right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► It doesn't bother me on a daily basis. It does what it's supposed to do. That's a low bar I like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► Again I don't say this is an impending crisis My attitude is now that the reason people keep bringing this up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► and have been bringing up for years it just seems like it's do you know so maybe not this year maybe next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► but sometime within the next maybe five ten years they have to they have to address is that to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► and you know maybe they'll be able to wait like marks until the windows version is irrelevant now finally we don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► our Windows version and it simplifies our transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► but by then maybe they will build up too much crap made by then all Macs will be arming there's a bunch of weird crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► I think only code and i Tunes that we don't know about and you know I mean like you were of the C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► Stuff eventually they'll have to get rid of the CD ripping stuff I would assume I mean obviously Apple still sells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► computers with up down down so I need to be resolved to go to as I do they still sell an optical drive the external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► Oddly that's Apple branded But yeah I guess you're right they don't having them often aren't. I don't think so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► Where's Hackett when we need him. I think I think the question of. Rather than argue about whether. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4554">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► I didn't need to be fixed or replaced or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► The idea of all right so fast or to whatever your arbitrary year is than again bring about the programming language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► and it was like OK I will concede that five hundred years in the future Apple will need a programming language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► Anyway writing whatever you can see that i Tunes You will need to be rewritten to redesign the refactored the question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► remains what does that redesign refactor rewrite look like does it look exactly the same as the current i Tunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► and you know it with a non model preference ballot box are you know is that you invision the breaking up of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► multiple applications disciple cations become irrelevant to some pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► and I didn't get integrated into the operating system in a way that you know that is not doesn't feel like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► but feels more like a notification center where it's like integrated I don't know those those I think your instinct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► questions I don't have any good answers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► but I think that is the most interesting line of thought about this rather than worrying about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► First of all I would disagree with your assumption that i Tunes is more important to Apple than photos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► If you think about where they make most of their money which is you know the eyelash devices and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► and then what people tend to do on the I was devices most and what's important to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► and why people might choose one mobile platform over another. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► and videos that are captured by the device handling of photos is way more important then everything i Tunes does to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► most of Apple's consumers. It's how partners Apple not how important is it Apple's consumers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► Like anything like photos obviously. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► All the stuff they do is like OK well that makes the hardware more valuable to customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► and Apple makes its money by selling the hardware. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► But like OK well what's the percentage of the value that this is in the hardware is added by photos versus what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► percentage is added by Face Time versus what percent is added by our message versus what percentage that would buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► Safari and you start carving up into pieces and yeah I thought it does contribute value to the hardware but i Tunes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4672">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► I mean when you really needed a break down of i Tunes usage inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► and outside of Iowa because i Tunes revenue is going up up up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► but you don't know is that like what is it ninety nine point nine percent of that people making purchases on their i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► was devices then that decreases the value of i Tunes to the company the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► but if there's a lot of people are still buying things on their computers and like for example Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► I think is something that a lot of magnets have. But you know I forget what the sales numbers are rebel T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► but There's way more i Pads and i Phones other than These are people buying movies and watching them on their i Pads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► and i Pods are people buying them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► and watching their computer still like we're in transition between i Tunes where you did everything on your computer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► stuff your than your handheld and I know for example that even though my daughter has access to a i Pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► and i Pod Touches and all sorts of stuff. She still watches videos on a laptop computer rather than a giant T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► By the way I don't understand that choice but it makes me wonder if i Tunes as a vehicle for both purchasing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4735">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► and consuming digital content is not as completely passe as it seems to be in our circles because we've all moved on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► you know airplay and and highway devices. Maybe your T.V.'s fans are too loud. Kids on his hands. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► I'm kind of glad because I knew not to worry about them after leaving it paused and getting burn and or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► but it is weird. Things were two or three sponsors this week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► Casper backplanes and Squarespace and we will see you next week. Thank you for your time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4769">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► As you well know access to that list and there are three weeks. I hope not because I was ten or you can kill me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► OK Well that's possible. Tao's ago and I was going to bring it up but has a gallon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► I don't care about like I go on talk about it I don't know I don't know how I'm going to I don't know how it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► happen I don't know how I'm going to finish this thing. So using time off you're J.-O. B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4855">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► Job I don't know I mean I would like to really stayed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► Eventually I hope they don't surprise me and say hey it's ready early. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► I mean doesn't seem like it will be ready early but I have too much stuff to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► and even sections I thought I knew I was going to write I get into them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:21 ◼ ► and realize I don't like I just I just started writing that's what they say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► Like to the end like I said to until like this past weekend like finally now I can do this with sex I know exactly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► to do and I don't know exactly when and right now I'm stuck in the frigates with Section who'll not cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► Well I don't know what to say about that and I'm sorry. Yeah I think this really may be my last one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► You sound surprisingly serious when you say that ten ten is a nice round number. I hope it's not but I bet it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► I hope it's not as well but we'll talk about it after I don't want to overthink it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► and I was going to get this done. It will say well you don't have to really decide on next summer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► when you know you don't want to live so you don't decide whether you have another kid right after you have the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► one from the worst time to decide that actual nose is really live like fifteenth kid so for your list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► and returns right and this this is the worst time for you to decide whether to write another one of these next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► and I know now because you sounded pretty much exactly the same a year ago if memory serves it gets worse every year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► though I do and I don't know if like you say that every year to year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► but I don't know if the reviews are getting worse like anywhere we'll talk about after this it was deciding whether to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► have another kid during contractions like the worst possible time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► And the Alpha and I still don't I don't think i Tunes is that bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► and I say that having had a lot of weird little item the problems happen over the years just use a lot for various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► but it mostly works for me it's like you can see it works for me you know just because you know I mean there are a pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► cast you should try to for like a week to try to you there are pockets like I used to. Yeah me too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4976">TS</a>]
01:23:01 ◼ ► They're actually paying attention to the podcast feature now which you think would be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4981">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► but it actually cut like they're adding features that are good like Oh I've always wanted to do that I've always wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► to be able to tell I didn't save this episode I've always wanted better control over which one the downloads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► and so on but everything is so slow and painful and everything that a different mode on a different screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► and I don't understand how to be so damn slow the recent update had at a note in the release notes it was like improve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► performance problems and podcast blah blah blah I haven't checked with to see if it's got that much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► but at least they knowledge that is the problem like I would select like five pod cast and the delete key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► and they count ONE TWO THREE like just waiting for it to do something like it was multiple seconds of writing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► happening like Come on guys I'm deleting four and be treated like I don't know what you do behind the scenes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► but you know you communicating with a server. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► Are you updating some gigantic POS file because he didn't want to make like you know that you sequelae Bakken for core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:58 ◼ ► I don't even know what they're doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5038">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► It's all part encoding stuff so I have no idea what all I know is that the experience of using application is not up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► Apple's standards you know I think like putting up a carbon credits that's almost certainly there in the model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► preferences box like I think those are really not I think those are red herrings like the model part of the box on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► That's not like I don't care the preference that's understood has a canary to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:25 ◼ ► when I go the way I will know that they seriously refactor the application because it's not important enough to address [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► But if it is change it means they did such a sweeping change that this came out of it is a side effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► and therefore they really may change so that's why I'm checking preferences not because I care about Atmel preferences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► or any I just just as an extra quick extra indication of how much refactoring work has really done it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► Yeah I don't know I think we all say that we want to rewrite i Tunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► and we say that with the implied following sentence that will solve everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5097">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► when Apple rewrites a major application all new especially in recent years that not only doesn't solve everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► but often makes things worse for a while. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► Well you know I think I'm saying myself I knowledge that I'm willing to accept like a photos is not going to be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► tight about it like how so few features will photos have an initial version and how much worse than I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► and look like you have to just accept those kind of transitions because you can't stick with one thing forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► and I think that the most confusing thing is like it's the first one I write because of huge swaths of nine U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► Related coded presently they would reviews that have nothing to do with you I have nothing to do with carbon they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► you know this just tons of code that does a thing that doesn't even know because they were doing that talking to talks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► and all that network related code if you assume that that was factored reasonably they're not rewriting that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► they've added all that code over the years they will continue to use it and wherever the use it hopefully. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5156">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► No modular way but you're mostly talking about is what's the glue that holds it all together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► and especially like the local glue of like is there still a local i Tunes database they can get corrupted because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► Is everything service I didn't move to more of a photo's model where it's like well used to be all about local sequelae [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► databases and files on disk and now it's all about some cloud thing with everything local being like a cache [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► and stuff so photos will be the first guinea pig in this area I guess although our yearly with photos they've already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► kind of done several versions of that on I O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► Albeit with a very spare interface simming the back end is going to be very similar in terms of how does how does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► photos and I want to know what photos you have and how to get little thumbnails for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► and are they all in your phone and all that good stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► So I'm optimistic that what they do with photos will be a good learning opportunity for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► when they have to do something similar to a translator that's that's a big use of when when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► when the real word might be if it's got to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► when what it's five hundred years a thousand years what are you willing to agree to everyone always wants to push it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5217">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► out in a series of those is actually a mental exercise you feel like it's not imminent it's not imminent right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► But everyone agrees that you know I long time line something had to happen or Apple be out of business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► and so it's like do you assume i Tunes last until I was out of business like what time money you comfortable with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► likely to keep shrinking it until you get a feel for where because if you can bring it down to like well i Tunes will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► be in its current form. Intel Apple is out of business I believe that will happen two hundred years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► It's pretty good bet that you are not factoring in all information available because that's a little bit crazy so just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► what do you think what kind of range you think is reasonable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► Well again I think it's much more likely that they're going to stick with the current i Tunes architecture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► and not break all the stuff out not too crazy U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► Rewrites and everything and they're going to stick with that until most of what i Tunes does is no longer relevant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► and no longer necessary and then they'll do a final cut and i Movie you know rewrite will do one of those here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5273">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► It's where they like delete the whole thing basically rewrite the core ten percent of it from scratch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► Right everyone is I haven't that's a good question you know again like i Tunes does so much I would say since there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► you know they're still selling i Pods those are still doing you know not great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► but they're still selling them you know they still have certain things I was devices that are using i Tunes I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► it's going to be there's going to be some future i O. S. Device or version of i O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► That doesn't sync with i Tunes at all I think that is going to be when they when they do this and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► I don't know maybe five years I mean I don't think it's I don't it's going to be shorter than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► and they are life they're around numbers of years as reasonable I think I was in his easy way to get rid of the i Pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► and I think this is probably if if i Pod stay around I think this will happen sooner rather than later is that just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► call the i Pod sync with your IOS devices the I was devices already have access to all your media through cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5336">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► services or whatever and they already have tons of wireless protocols [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► and wireless chips get cheap enough even if you just do it over some like hide them a version of Blue to the Possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► you get some tiny little i Pod Why in the hell should you have to think that with a Mac. You should like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► Why can't the I.O.'s device be the home base period like it's like a hierarchy like you have the tiny little i Pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► or your i Pod shuffle that can pull songs over some wireless thing from your i O. S. Device just fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► Right and then you go after the big thing with the harddrive even that like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► Eventually if i Pods they around which I don't think is guaranteed at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► but if they do stay around one way you can get i Tunes out of the picture for i Pods as having sync with eyewitnesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► with more people have then maybe more people have been P C's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► or Macs to the point that happened you know I mean I think Mark is right I think it'll be something we'll change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► external to to to i Tunes itself to make it not really requisite or not not necessary. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5392">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► It's current form and that's when it will make sense to start cleaving it to death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► and that's what we're talking about like you know the current form of the current form will become obsolete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► and you will unlike But ABOL will still want to have for example a way for you to play music on your back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► Right and so it's like well we don't need this giant piece that is i Tunes But we want you to have a music player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► and the music play should be integrated with the music collection I maybe also want to have you a way for you to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► movies on your laptop when you're on a plane. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► Is that the same as the music player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► or is that a separate You know that's exactly what we're talking about isn't different than what I'm saying it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► like just take the existing i Tunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:31 ◼ ► and rewriting Coco would have a look at that same Like as not I don't think that's you know a useful thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5431">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► I think what the way I'm looking at it is the implication of what Mark Owen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► and I agree with him is saying is that it can happen some time in the future that's not terribly near term where is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:49 ◼ ► that five years that's so close in time and then I thought and I would no I would say at least five years you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5449">TS</a>]
01:30:55 ◼ ► and it might even be longer than I got I don't know who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5455">TS</a>]
01:30:58 ◼ ► but what I'm basically saying is I don't think it's any time soon because you know the i Pods are still being sold are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5458">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► still being used by people health even bought a new i Pod Classic is probably the last person to ever have bought one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► and will probably like I bet we're going to discontinue it next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► and he will be that will be literally the last one that was ever sold. Well he's the oldest young man I've ever met. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► Such are employers of the current i Pod Nano apparently has Bluetooth I don't know if companies who stand to Haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► have enough bandwidth to get songs over them probably for a shuffle they do that they just don't hold them my songs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► You don't really want to be transferring large files over Bluetooth that is it is not made for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► and it doesn't let you forget that it just it was not satisfied by like wife I mean you know we're at the point now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► where maybe we're making a little more expensive and you could build in a little life I thing inside it certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► and I know maybe not a shuffle. I mean we have those little mother's S.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► Cards with the wife I think of the I five are those for cameras yet in the end those aren't that good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5515">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► There are and those are also extremely slow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:02 ◼ ► Right under saying in terms of like how how small can you make a life I think you can make it really small Obviously if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5522">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► you don't have to bury it inside a potentially metal camera or something like you could decide you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► Anyway we have the technology to do this now it's just like is it worthwhile does Apple even care about i Pods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► or is it just doesn't fade off into the sunset. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► but I'm saying like that's out if you want to keep selling things that only sell music that are really cheap eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► putting a little wife chipset in a tiny little thing that plays music sinks with your i was devices not with your max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► is a very reasonable thing to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► What does it need to sync for how do you get music on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► and you get anything i Tunes Match what if i Tunes Match is no longer paying right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► but you don't want the wife to be used all the time has got a tiny little batter you just want to be like that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:46 ◼ ► just have like a lady Damani around my house picking up my songs like you want to basically have the radios off all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5566">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► time except for when when you're sinking and why I would have to sync with with the I.R.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5571">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► Because it has not a screen in the case of a shovel he ended something to say what do you want on your i Pod Shuffle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5575">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► pick the songs here whatever point you know as you point and really you would want to pick like that nano screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► and even the classic screens that you don't want to use the screen on the i Pod it the screen on your soon to be a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► larger are soon to be larger anyway i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► or i Pad is a much nicer way to pick what you want even though you could technically maybe with you know turn on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► wife on your Nano and fiddle around with it and try to pick stuff to be annoying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:24 ◼ ► See I don't I don't think the i Pod line is even worth enough of Apple's attention to make that change to make it seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5604">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► Yeah I know I said I don't I don't you know so I think so either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► but if something if they wanted to keep it around that would be a way to do it without your items [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► but it just seems like they're fading away like they don't bother really updating them no one cares about them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► The sales keep going down down down. You know there looks like there is going to fade away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► Yeah and that's by far the most likely outcome but I mean you're saying the classic i Pod should be dead by now too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► but somehow content. So at this point it will be a surprise when they do kill. Like for years I was pretty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5634">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► Every event they're going to kill the upper class and they still haven't it's still there they're still selling it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► and at least one person out there is actually still buying it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► We're not even going to notice and I do it because it's not like they're going announce it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► Someone's going to go to the store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► and go hey you know I can't find the right person for just one night it will be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► when the Fed takes over a bank like just one night every Apple store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► Just be gone and the next morning just like that table just has you know more beeps on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► and it will still take a few more days and some of the notice you have another not another big honor anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► I wonder how I bet it would take a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► If you work in an Apple store and you have a flexible manager don't tell Apple headquarters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTpahhQ/5677">TS</a>]