00:00:00 ◼ ► Oh my goodness. His sausages are wonderful. If I gave you a playlist of M P three S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/0">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► and It lasted say half an hour to forty five minutes would you play that instead of that god awful crap that you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/10">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► everyone listen to every week. Probably not but I would at least be willing to consider it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/16">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► Her honesty is both annoying and appreciated all at the same. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/21">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► Yeah I mean since chances are not great I'll tell you that but but I would consider it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/25">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► Fair enough but as everyone in the chat room thanking you don't know the music yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/31">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► That's a good point I mean what if it's just like a bunch of Dave Matthews Band like is that really an improvement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/37">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► I would argue not it it obviously would not be a bunch of Dave Matthews The only reason I would play a bunch of Dave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/41">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► Matthews is if I had absolute control of the live stream which would never happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/47">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► and B I did it just to troll Marco which I don't think I care enough so I would like to offer my services as unofficial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/53">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► official D.J. or Official unofficial D.J. If you will if you ever find the need arises. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/63">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► I'm actually curious John what Lluvia your playlist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/69">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► I don't know if I throw in some video game soundtracks some mash ups that I like weird things I would probably do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/73">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► not going to like play songs that everyone's heard before give us boring. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/80">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► Well that's why I play fish because no one listens to it except me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/84">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► I will say that I did find out I don't member who is you John that told me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/88">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► But somebody pointed out to me that the journey soundtrack was available on i Tunes and it was like five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/94">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► or ten bucks and I pretty much insta bought that was me of course. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/99">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► OK I thought of my venue but I wasn't sure and it is excellent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/103">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► So do you remember the transportation soundtrack was like really snazzy and snappy jazz. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/106">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► Yeah yeah it was actually pretty good. It was pretty good. Somebody eventually like made M P three S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/112">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► Because was all MITI I believe just in a different. Extension file extension. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/117">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► But really it was just Mitty and somebody took the Middies and like sampled them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/121">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► or recorded I don't know what the correct term is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/126">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► but did something with them to create like a really good sounding M P three S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/128">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► And at one point or another I had it long since lost it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/133">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► I'm sure that the community of transfer take Hoon revivalists which is quite large actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/137">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► and has I mean because if anyone out there is a fan of prints were taken and you don't know about open T.T.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/145">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► Fans have basically rewritten the entire engine of the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/154">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► and it runs on everything it runs on Macs Linux Windows some a couple he leave important i Pad here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/157">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► and there over the i Pad ports are terrible but it mainly runs on MAC Windows and Linux and it is so good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/163">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► and they've added features to the game and even proving that like improve the the path finding of the trains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/168">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► and everything they've added different features they have a whole new signals hype and they say was more useful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/173">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► Oh man if if you if you ever played transfer take who never even Sim City two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/180">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► and you're into trains at all you're going to love open T.T.D. and It's free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/186">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► Yeah it's really fantastic in fact I think we've mentioned this on the show at some point or another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/190">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► but transports Akun in Visual Basic one were pretty much how you and I became friends. That's right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/194">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► Yep the combination of those two that night in utter fear of the outdoors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/199">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► Yeah that probably could have it doesn't mean we would have found something else to do inside of your computer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/204">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► We didn't have those to the street the only time I've ever seen it was to warp those were the days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/208">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► I got English I feel like O S two needs like a guy in wish bell just like file systems and each of us pluses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/214">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► John's bell some some kind of like dull funk like you know to warp. But goodness what's going on. Any follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/221">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► Yeah I thought when I remember Salva feeling lonely just like laughed off and follow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/235">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► But I don't I qualify as well though I did it was the beginning of the show I just knew that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/240">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► when I'm going to do show no it's this makes it into the show that that I would want to look at it there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/243">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► So it's not strictly follow up I'm sorry for tainting the sanctity of your follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/249">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► We're talking about Apple Mail and Mavericks and the G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/253">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► Mail related bugs and how the public beta program for Yosemite might help catch some potential bugs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/257">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► Michael sigh I really hope I'm pronouncing that last name correctly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/263">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► Tweeted or e-mailed one of the other the other alternate theory for the G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/268">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► Mail bug it was not so much that Apple didn't catch it in Mavericks it's just that it was difficult to figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/273">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► to fix in time for the ship date and they just shipped knowing that there were bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/279">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► and knowing they plan to fix them and were working on The Fix long before maverick ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/282">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► and ship the fix as soon as they got it fixed. Considering there's a second party involved they're getting like G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/286">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► Mail on the other end over there and maybe a bug that involves Google and also involved Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/291">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► It's plausible theory and we didn't mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/298">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► and on last show so I thought I just mentioned now I don't think it's worth mentioning so in the context of those who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/300">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► are talking about the G. Mail bug in Maverick's point No And and you know G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/306">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► Mail various intended and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/312">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► and I believe John I believe you would asserted that certainly some people in Google use Apple Mail and there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/313">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► and there's enough of them to be worth them making sure it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/321">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► and I said I'd be pretty surprised if there were any significant portion of people who work for Google using an Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/323">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► Mail and I asked if anybody knew this they could write in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/329">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► and we heard from a few people who work at Google who said you know universally they all said nobody there uses Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/334">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► Mail or you know effectively nobody but they also that they've never seen anyone use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/341">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► and pretty much everyone uses email because you know the workflow that are built around it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/345">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► and everything it's like Apple Mail's presence in among Google employees is apparently nearly zero which does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/349">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► surprise me. Makes you wonder what kind of work flows to there like one of the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/356">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► I was like oh I tried to use Apple Maps. They also that Macs are very prevalent there which you already know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/360">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► Right so if it ever got Macs and one of the persons like when I came I tried using Apple Mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/363">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► but it was like not the thing to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/367">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► Like everyone was using G M L And I'm wondering if they have some kind of like plugins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/369">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► or urge email labs things like what is it about the web interface that kind of makes it so that Apple Mail isn't viable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/374">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► if you're just doing mail stuff you know fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/380">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► but I was like What is the is that just like peer pressure that everybody's using mail as it gets maybe integration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/382">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► with Google calendar or something I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/388">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► but anyway yeah I guess they're not motivated to make it work with Apple Mail. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/391">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► But it's interesting to me that there is that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/396">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► That it's that lease that one person felt like there was you know that it was not even a viable thing to do not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/399">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► but just like once you're in Google you're going to use email because the way it's done right you know it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/405">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► difficult for you to use that will melt just a bit and whether that was technical political or both. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/411">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► I think it was kind of less imagination but I'm guessing it's probably some of both. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/418">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► The weird thing about the political angle is like oh you know well it's like dog food like why wouldn't if you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/423">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► using your own mail client obviously than your own mouth white socks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/427">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► and you know like you could use your own your own things should be good enough for you to use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/430">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► But like like I said and what wasn't it wasn't contradicted by any of the e-mails. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/434">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► Macs are all over the place in Google and how is that not a contradiction. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/438">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► or why a Chromebook not good enough for everybody I mean I guess Bill doesn't really make a sort of full fledged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/443">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► computer but for developers or whatever but they're there you know arch rival Apple they're using all their hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/448">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► and side I mean they're not using the phones I assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/456">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► but for the laptops that are all mac so makes you wonder if like is Google motivated to make a sort of non Chromebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/458">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► full fledged laptop I don't know though if it would run. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/464">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► I mean throwing out windows so they're like they're internally conflicted no matter what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/467">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► and there is a whole I mean I think a lot of this is is kind of you know company culture as well like there's a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/472">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► lot of people out there. Who use a mac as their computing platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/478">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► But aren't all in on Apple's other stuff you know they use Chrome the browser they probably use G.-Mail in in a web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/484">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► or something of their mail client like there's a whole lot of people out there who function that way just fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/490">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► and willingly and happily because that's just their preference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/495">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► and I would imagine those people are more likely to want to work for Google than somebody who's all in the whole of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/498">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► So you know probably among their employees going to self-selecting were like their employees probably just want to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/505">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► Google stuff in the in its native interface because that's just their preference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/511">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► and it's one of the reasons they work there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/515">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► But even so you've got chrome as your browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/517">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► and then you have a bunch of terminal windows in which you run like emacs or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/518">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► or maybe you have a favorite text but it's and that's like the whole experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/521">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► but I'm like why do you need Apple hardware Why can't you get by with a chrome book that you know you know how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/524">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► locally compiling things and go in C. Plus plus is that why you need to have a better C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/529">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► Than the Chromebook you just want nicer hardware like you know I'm not that's not much soul searching searching about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/534">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► this because they're all that I Congress going to Apple hardware and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/540">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► when I use it I mean the all Google services I'm using you know whatever weird version of Text Mate that I've kept left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/543">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► over I'm using the area Macs or whatever so I don't think there's much of an apple in their face miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/548">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► but they're still using Apple hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/554">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► and I have to think that if Google continues this kind of Microsoft like march towards There is no market we don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/556">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► there is nothing we can do there is no reason we should rely on everybody like who really really crept up on that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/564">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► but now it just seems like if they were Microsoft like is there any business they don't want is there anything having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/571">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► to do with personal computers that they don't want to like well they're not you know they make applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/576">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► but they don't make their tools well they make a compiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/582">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► but they don't make it out you are going to make an ID Well they make all the applications there is do you know basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/584">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► office OK Well now to have a paint you know well they don't make games you look at a flight simulator game consuls like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/589">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► it was like I want to do everything and Google is slowly going. So far Google doesn't want to do P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/596">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► Hardware like the Chromebook is close kind of they're going to supersede P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/602">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► Hardware with something that's not as problematic as a P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/606">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► and Maybe they'll succeed in that someday but I have my eye on Google's megalomania. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/608">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► Certainly the apple that we just discussed last week about the Apple I.B.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/614">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► Thing is plenty of things that Apple doesn't want to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/617">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► Like it still doesn't really want to touch enterprise a ten foot pole which is why it's having a ten foot pole in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/619">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► I.B.M. Touch it for them. Is there anywhere to go from here other than some something awesome. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/624">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► Well actually before we do have a phone call I hope you have like follow up a draw like you have you CAN you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/632">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► holding you you had you know you have to get some kind of fall out. Well so the Apple I.B.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/638">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► Thing we got some feedback from people who are like you know you're too down an apple about the Enterprise actually do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/644">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► a lot of enterprise and I tried to express that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/649">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► and I showed is that it's not like Apple really ignores it like they do do a lot of things for the enterprise they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/651">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► come a long way but the question is always where are they willing to commit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/656">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► Are they willing to go to the lengths that other enterprise companies go to so that you can the feedback we got were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/660">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► one to the people saying Apple is really doing much better in the enterprise they're not nearly as bad as you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/665">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► they are and the other is are people saying as far as Apple has come they're still bad in reason for reasons X. Y. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/670">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► or like it's not they're not bolting a different Apple acing the same outfit is looking at from two to respective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/678">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► wonder they come such a long way and are so much better now than it used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/682">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► and the other is that compared to the companies that build themselves around serving the enterprise there Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/685">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► still not willing to do that all the things the enterprise wants out of them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/690">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► and that's the best that been around forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/695">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► and the question I guess I show is always what's Apple going to do about that they're going to continue to act this way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/697">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► to kind of turn their nose up at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/702">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► but do enough to sort of get a little bit of this isn't sort of they feel like they want more of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/704">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► and I think they feel like they do one more of the business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/707">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► but they don't want to change them they don't want to change their own behavior to get more that businesses want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/710">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► someone else. Augment their existing infrastructure and support to get more of that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/714">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► Yes indirectly we are sponsored this week once again by our friend Mal Xander at need need is a very fine retailer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/720">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► And it kind of came out of the biopic podcast and away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/730">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► and so you figure it has to be pretty interesting if it came out of that right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/733">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► Each month need curious and sells a limited quantity of exclusive products from the world's top men's brands. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/737">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► These collections are presented in the form of a monthly editorial built around a certain theme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/744">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► and are shot by local independent photographers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/748">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► And if I may say so myself they all look really stylish and awesome beyond clothing which they have a lot of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/750">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► They also sell coffee literature furniture and lots of other cool stuff. Need is also expanding. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/755">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► Soon they will localized to certain cities around the world the first of which will be London [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/761">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► and I'm guessing that London England or the U.K. England. I never know. Great Britain void. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/766">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► I'm pretty sure one of the leaders in England I don't know what or how to refer there as the rest of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/772">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► but it's an England sorry if I offended the entire U.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/776">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► England Great Britain continent sub continent island OK so need is only eight months old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/779">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► but they will already be one of the primary sponsors of the New York Fashion Week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/785">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► Now I actually know what this is because my wife watches Project Runway do you guys actually know what Fashion Week is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/789">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► it something in New York City where a bunch of fashionable people descend upon New York [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/795">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► It's a really good idea too to sponsor this if you're a clothing company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/802">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► and he's already doing it because Fashion Week is huge it is like in New York has all these stupid things like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/808">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► have like internet week and all this crap that they try to boost other industries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/814">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► and make them make make these like events all trying to mimic Fashion Week poorly Fashion Week is the real thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/819">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► It's what everyone else is trying to be it's such a huge deal New York need is sponsoring Fashion Week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/825">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► They'll be bring along small independent brands to show off the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/830">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► and its aspirations in the midst of the world of high fashion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/833">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► Another word in their words they want to tell everyone about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/837">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► Turning up working independently and telling great stories in the traditional world of exclusivity and brands. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/840">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► Anyway going to need addition dot com And that's not the math it's the easy addition need addition dot com Check out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/845">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► their collection and it changes every month. Seriously add this to your R.S.S. Reader. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/853">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► It's one post a month I mean come up if you still use our sets we'll get to that but I still use our set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/858">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► and I have it in my arms as reader. Anyone who places an order with need and was sent from A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/864">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► Can send an email afterwards to hello at need addition dot com with the subject line. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/869">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► New York fashion week to commemorate a special occasion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/874">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► They will then throw in a bunch of extras with those orders before they ship things like magazines field no socks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/878">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► scarves etc and then you'll be put in a list to get twenty five percent off your next order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/883">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► and I've been doing this offer for a couple of weeks now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/888">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► Eighty people are sinners if you have multiple orders where you've emailed them and gotten a twenty five percent off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/891">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► You can stack that so you can get you can collect to them and get fifty percent off an order after that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/896">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► Listeners they're really nice to us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/901">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► and most of all though the first five orders will receive one of five limited edition. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/904">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► Never to be publicly sold need branded hats. Now I don't have a lot of hair so hats are very useful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/909">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► Need produced a need Evarts field collaboration hat if it's field is the company that created the original baseball cap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/917">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► apparently these hats really worth about fifty dollars if they were sold at retail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/924">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► but they're not going to be there only There's a five limited edition hats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/928">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► and unless you have a leave you get it for free right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/933">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► Yeah they will just toss a sense of the first five orders that email them with this email Hello I need additional comma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/936">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► after you hear this with a sort of one New York Fashion Week after you place an order this is a great deal I might do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/942">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► that I might take one of these before the way in a live stream. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/948">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► Anyway thank you thank you very much for NEED going to need addition dot com to check it out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/953">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► I have a request for that ad read can you put in like Ragtime by on a commute. You know what I'm talking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/960">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► and need sponsors because I can totally mess up the entire real impetus for all sorts of my own personal crap into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/967">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► and it doesn't matter because Matt is like a friend of ours so he doesn't really mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/974">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► and it still works because people keep ordering stuff so it's both a great thing for that matter is doing for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/978">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► and greeting their listeners are doing for Matt and for us indirectly by buying stuff from his company anyway even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/984">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► when I fumble through the reply that right so I told you I had a piece of follow up that I know that's what it was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/989">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► was stalling so I could remember John house are you. That's your follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/997">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► Yes I do you're going to talk about Apple I.B.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► Stuff input here dad but no car when he had nothing now for use to go on. Slowly it's terrible for items. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► Just as like as like a dark cloud over my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1016">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► and I just feel like it's never going to get done I don't have to end up taking off time from work to get done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► and they keep changing things and thing though doesn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► and you trying to review anything has to do with the network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► and like the seeds are coming out so I go this functional is building quite work Yadin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► and all the stuff I don't mention you tried it doesn't work out like well does it not work it is broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► or is not work it's still like months from relays and I can't really write about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► and I'm going back to stuff I've already written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► and changing it because I had this big paragraph complaining about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► but then they changed that So it out of the complaint anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► Like yeah I have to have notes in my things like remember to talk about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► and then I have to go back two weeks later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► and remove that notice oh actually no change so you don't have to making progress. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► I need to plow bravely forward and just get something written and then go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► and change it even though it keeps its data and I don't know that Cheney more things than usual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► or if I'm writing too early about things that I have complaints about them. It's going slowly depressing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1072">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► So some I related you had tweeted earlier today that you had something to the order of four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► and any time you did anything you were you were in you were never using the wrong keyboard and mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► and I had suggested in from your snarky reply I assume many had suggested that you should use what is it synergy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► Yeah well see other people find you know people don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► and I'll bet you of all people should know that I know it's energy is I was encouraging you to better yourself by using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► I know all about the energy I had I don't want to don't I don't need it for this like it's just a temporary situation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► I'm not trying to create a set up where I have a system where I can use five computers once I just have to do it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► remote desktop is the worst if you can kind of keep it straight if you like for the like laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► and the Modesto Bee You got to keep it straight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► but once you bring Remote Desktop into the mix then it's game over because now like you have the same screen three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► times because I you know I've got the original screen and then the remote screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► and then my regular screen that it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► and then if road test opposite the front door then it gets all your keyboard focus so you're like quicksilver shortcut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► goes to the remote desktop not to the thing over there but it's just it's madness. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► Just quitting closing the wrong windows just for hours at a time slowly going mad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► but Cinergy would fix this for you my friend. And it doesn't take them now it would not and would not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► I mean thirty has downsides as well and it's just another layer of stuff it's the same reason I don't use screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► Like I know I recognize all the benefits I have experimented with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► but you know it's always something like a screen you like I don't want to take you know control I want you to remap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► though I don't want to have any of my keystrokes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► and you know how I get the synergy doing weird things with making using a regular computer feel strange things with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► Command key is just it's not I'm not going to try to. Plus that's not really action but it's a diversion. Like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1191">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► but I should be doing is making for a partisan interviewer not trying to tweak my setup that helps me do the review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► like I do enough of that of just sitting here and using Yosemite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► and doing experiments trying to try to figure out how I can accurately write a single sentence I spent like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► forty five minutes hour experimenting with a thing to say what can I say about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► What is the truth of this thing and then it's like well I wrote one sentence tonight and I spent an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► and half an hour. Tired need to go to bed at this rate I'll be done in ten years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► So their view is going excellently is what I'm hearing us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► Well since I've asked what's going on with overcast I'm fixing bugs basically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► Yeah that's about it really I'm fixing up the bugs the sales are going pretty well still obviously it's down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► substantially from the first few days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► but it seems to be leveling off now which is nice because now it's now only able to predict roughly what it will be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► you know next month and so far I'm very happy with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► Have you cranked back on the initial server build out form whatever you want to call it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► I actually haven't and so far I'm keeping all eight of the well heads and the reason why is so as. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► So before you know I have I have one FI drawing server that hit its entire purpose is to crawl the feeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► and it can be maxed out you know it can be like hammered at C.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► Use because it doesn't matter because that is only job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► and so what I have what I have going at launch I had these eight web servers up front to help you know take web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► and then very quickly after launch my feed server got overwhelmed with just the queue was backing up because so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► and I was already crawling a lot of people added a lot more than I expected so I started I ran additional crawling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► processes under nice on the web servers and so in theory what I think this will do and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1314">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► What it is doing so far is all the Web servers I have now burst capacity so you know when a popular show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► Like right now I mean our show is one of the is one of the top shows in overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► or something I think is like twenty thousand people or something to strive to in Africa. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► when a new episode of the show is published I send twenty thousand Push Notifications within the span of a few seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► and any of those devices that are connected to the Internet will immediately try to fetch performance in Qwest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► and so you might have you know twenty thousand devices all performing sinks within that within the first few seconds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► that request going out and so I need some kind of burst capacity for when that happens. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► So what I'm doing now is I have servers and so I am keeping the additional crawlers running on ice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► So what I think should happen is I'll have that bridge capacity when I need it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► when a new IP sort of popular comes out and all the rest of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► when that happens all those processes that are nice will be prioritized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► and will you know move the cue for other things will slow down for a minute or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► and then the rest of the time I have all this additional fee capacity so I think I think this is my original plan was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► to you know that the FI crawling on those observers are going to be temporary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► and that once everything calmed down I would eliminate you know half of them maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► and then set up a dedicated feed server to crawl more feeds that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► but I think we're going to keep it the way it is because it is in the balance of a lot less wasted capacity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► and we would said in the past that whatever the sum total of the monthly cost for these ten servers is considerably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► less than what you had last paid for Instapaper Is that correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► Yeah yeah I'd originally said it was like five forty I had to upgrade my backup server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► and our space on it so now to me more like six hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► but still yes a hundred bucks a month for for a lot of liner instances providing a lot of power a lot of computational [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► power that I don't think is a bad deal at all. Nice. Anyway that's over Gotta go into a very low. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1433">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► Well and I'm very happy and I'm facing a lot of bugs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► There still are some annoying ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► but I think I actually got to the biggest ones in this update so I'm still working on a paper. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► I'll submit it probably in a few days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► So do you feel like you're working just as hard as you were pre-launch and post-launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► or if you kind of settled into a rhythm at this point you're able to breeze. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► I am able to breeze but it is still a lot of work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► Email I'm still looking over the email I have I did I did hit bottom of the first batch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► What's interesting is what people are requesting now so I'm still getting about one hundred emails a day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► and many of them I don't respond to you know I promised that I wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► and I promised in the feedback form that I will read everything but I won't guarantee a response to everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► and I'm keeping that promise so far I am reading everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► and not respond to everything because I can't even reading a hundred emails a day takes takes a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► and a lot of them you know don't even need a response I don't even say as much you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► No response necessary and so I took them up on that offer usually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► But what's interesting is that is that what people are asking for now is different from what people ask for on day one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► even even though the main feature set has not changed since then. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► And getting you know a couple bug reports certainly here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► and there because there are still some bugs that are affecting a lot of people which I'm very annoyed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► and I'm trying to fix as quickly as I can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► But like for example Day one had tons of requests for the two because they don't support streaming and video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► It also had lots of requests for smaller features and preferences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► and behavioral preferences people wanted a different way they wanted episode management to be put a vacation option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► things like that like all sorts of different more granular options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► or different modes episodes could be in like one of the more calm ones on day on day one which I mentioned before was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► like a lot of people wanted it to be new but not downloaded and a lot of people want deleted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1552">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► So just to also show whether they have been played or they were never played. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► So you know people are people requesting these different states things can be in of course all the management of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► interface and the code that would go with that would be a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► All that was really on day one and what I'm hearing from people now is substantially less of those requests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► and the requests from getting now are much nicer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► and more like you know it would be nice if someday maybe you added this not like I can't use a pod cast at a doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► have this or I don't believe you know you shipped one point to without this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► but to a lot of the day one stuff was that and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► and I think I mean my my theory on this was pretty obvious really you know I think I think day one everyone tried it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► who was into pod cast that's who who heard about it like there was a big rush of people who tried it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► and you know probably necessarily didn't want to like it maybe on some level because you nobody wants to change their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► And also people who really do find those features like deal killers or you know anything I don't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1615">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► or that I do differently from what they want to do. That actually is a deal killer for them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► So all of them I heard from on day one and I stopped hearing from them because they stopped looking at the app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► So now what I'm hearing from who I'm hearing from other people who are actually using the app for the most part I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► you know there are new people discovering it every day but not nearly in the numbers as the first two days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► So what you're getting now are actually on some level I think are actually more important to pay attention to because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► most of those people who are heard from on day one I'll probably never win them over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► It's probably not worth a lot of effort to try to win them over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► And there's a lot of people who use the app for whom it could be a little bit better with what might be a small change. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► And by catering to those people I build goodwill I build fans. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► I build customers and those people are the ones who will spread the app to their friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► and so it's I think it's more important to make a smaller group. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1675">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► More fanatically happy about your app then to try to address the entire world with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► So John tell us about ARM based Macs we talk about this so many past life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► but I don't I don't know why it's coming up again I guess this is all we got to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► Wrote about it on his Monday note blog and then lets people link that including river [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► and people talking about it again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► Yes we'll talk about it again to I feel like we had this exact same discussion I pulled the Zach same numbers last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► but I mean you know I don't know I guess I guess we'll talk about it again I don't think it was a very good article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► because it was it was based on a lot of assumptions about the relative chip pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► and cons between our in our intel that are necessarily true or at least partially misinformed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► or not liking the notes file either I guess. Anyway so here are the stats I put in the file. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► Probably the same exact that I had last time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► Boy should Apple not use Intel C.P.U.'s and its Macs anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► but instead use arm C.P.U.'s presumably of their own design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► and everyone suggesting that it has their reasons for suggesting it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► One of the reason becomes a very often is that if they did that arm C.P. Use are more powerful than X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► Eighty six and the second reason is that Apple would be master of its own destiny because Apple really wants to own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► and control all the important technologies that go into their devices. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► Witness their design of the A seven and their and their you know deep involvement in the manufacturing process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► and of course they do all the software as well to make a last minute applications and lovable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► and originally if you want to go back really far they investigated my understanding is that they investigated for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► the i Phone project for an hour before a project can we make a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► and not do a deal with a carrier with a wireless carrier like is it feasible to do it on a wife I can we be our own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► and The endo something like they look into all that turned out not to be feasible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► but they all think they were looking and it was like can we do this with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► Out being beholden to somebody else and turns out the answer is no. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► So bomber for them so anyway this is along the same vein on the tech front though in the power thing every time I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► about the power thing I think about you know just how far Intel's come in terms of power efficiency so we'll look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► here I have stats for the current thirteen inch MacBook Air which is kind of my sort of standard bearer for Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► middle of the road laptop does not have a gigantic battery it's pretty slim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► but on the other hand is a full fledged laptop and the performance is actually pretty good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► So the current gender change MacBook Air is a fifty four watt our battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► and apples as it gets about twelve hours battery life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► when I was doing Mavericks battery testing I found that number can get even bigger if you use it very lightly like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► really are just doing like light web browsing and you know that my my battery test was very light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► and Mavericks it was like automated basically going to bunch of web pages switching tabs reloading web pages going to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► text editor typing some random text saving the text document going in I was like that's type of stuff I was doing very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► light and I was getting you know fifteen hours out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► but they were twelve hours of Apple says the i Pad Air which is my standard bearer for the i O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► ARM devices got the biggest fastest ARM C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► In it it's got a pretty darn big battery because the i Pad Air is their biggest i Pad It is a I guess the number wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► Thirty two point four one hour battery namecheck thirty two point four what our battery it is a typo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► and the note an Apple claims is good for ten hours of battery life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► They said nine hours of use cellular data so if you do the math on that it ends up that the i Pad Air is about forty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► percent more energy efficient than the MacBook Air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► and here's how many watt hours give you how many hours of usage out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► and who knows if Apple's usage things are comparable like one of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► How are they coming up the twelve hour and over the map again what kind of activity they come up with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► but the i Pad air tower that I realize it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► but still they have better wins by like forty percent better wins by twenty five percent of the include cellular data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1915">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► But the i Pad Air The name have it out so whatever. So it's like forty percent better energy efficiency. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► But then you look at you have to have some proxy for OK a twenty percent more energy efficient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► but how fast is the C.P.U. How does the eighty seven C.P.U. Compared to the C.P.U. and C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► Benchmarking is a pain I just did the French because that's what everybody does whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► It just this is the ballpark right so the MacBook Air geek bench compared to the i Pad air deep bench the navigator is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► two hundred thirty percent faster in single core and two hundred fifty percent faster multi-core. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► So an exchange for forty percent more energy efficiency it gives up two extra formants or two and a half expert form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► and so that that's a quite a gap to make up so you could say well you know arm processer more energy efficient. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► They're not more energy efficient when doing the same thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► Can conjecture that Apple switching to ARM is that they could switch ARM C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► Is ignoring the chipset ignoring Thunderbolt and or and all the other technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► and intellectual property issues that may prevent them from having this be feasible. Just the C.P.U. Can Apple make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► and make it two hundred fifty percent faster while maintaining its forty percent energy efficiency advantage right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► Because you know as you make it as as you make the C.P.U. More performant you're going to lose energy efficiency right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► It's not like the i Pad Air is forty percent more energy efficient doing the same thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► It's WAY slower it's two times slower at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► and this doesn't even get into like the relative comparisons of the embedded G P U's and forget about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► A squeegee be you and an act of pros and again the mac pro who knows what you would do with that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► So there are a lot of just unanswered technical performance questions in terms of what would be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► Putting aside the being master of your own destiny what would be the advantage for Apple to switch to arm. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► Technically speaking would you get a Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► That last longer battery wise would you get a mac that performs at least as well as the existing Macs would you get max. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2033">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► I'm better. These are all unanswered questions we don't know I was saying of the gap right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► It does not make it seem like Apple like it's a gimme for Apple sale Apple could totally make a C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► That is exactly as fast as the current MacBook Air is but is more energy efficient. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► I don't see that in the numbers I'm not saying it's impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► but nothing Apple has ever done so far has shown that it could do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► And the second aspect of this is evidently whether Broadwell delay is like bridal being delayed into next year which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► why Apple had to rev its laptop line to say well OK we'll give you more RAM which is nice by the way give you more RAM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► and lower the prices because we're not going to have new laptops until we can get them to see abuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► and see if Apple you know if Apple made its own ARM chips they would have this problem because they wouldn't be reliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► on intel and these delays wouldn't affect them because they would be masters of their own destiny. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► I don't much see that because in the in the race to say can we make an ARM chip that is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► and has the same performance for a while as Intel things if you're going to have any shot at that you have to be using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2093">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► the same process size as Intel and the only person who can do the same process as Intel is Intel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► So you'd still be relying on Intel the fab your fourteen nanometre ARM chips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► and if Intel can't get its fourteen on a meter X. Eighty six ships out the door. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► Chances of it being able to get your arm forty nine amidships out the door before in places like that a second door are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► very slim you have to get our intel to agree to feather in the first place then you have to get them to agree to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► you prayer and then you have to say that the thing that stopping in government in X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► Eighty six chips if working on a meter is just like a laziness or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► and if only you know only Apple is whipping them along so I will see if Apple's master was on Destiny would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► fourteen nanometre arms to be used for its next generation of macro care that have more performance for watt than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► Intel ones and just I think was speaking I don't see it now doesn't mean they're not going to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► or they would do it and just make some excuses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► and eventually catch up because that's kind of an apple demo it's like like with the maps thing well we just can't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► Google Maps anymore and our new maps are going to be worse and they could be worse for a long time possibly forever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► But we just had to do it. That's always an option. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► I'm not saying Apple will never do this but on paper it does not look like a compelling change for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► and this is even ignoring like the mac pro and all my set X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► Eighty six games and the ability to run Windows and all that and even the rim of the I wonder how much that matters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► My my feeling is that it probably matters a good amount still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► and I'm sure it's going down every year with how much that matters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► but I bet there's still a lot of people who run like the Windows version of Microsoft Office in virtualization at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► Yeah that's exactly true and actually I recorded an episode of mac power users last night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► and one of the things we very briefly talked about is what happens if you know Macs go arm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► or if they were certainly if they weren't Intel and that would be a showstopper for me or in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► Additionally if there was a Intel mac and an arm Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► What say they were both brand new you know Broadwell comes out but simultaneously there's an ARM based Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► I would absolutely choose the Intel based mac for work at least because I believe in Windows at work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2216">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► I mean I don't do use boot camp is boot camp even still a thing. Yeah it's still there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► OK so I do it so I don't use boot camp or use whom are fusion but my point is is that I would I pretty much live in V.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► and so for me to have really caused really bad in crummy virtualization would be a showstopper I would have to use one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► of those Dell behemoths if I didn't have an Intel mac and that's just a terrible life and nobody wants to leave. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► Yeah I mean I think you know to do an architecture transition. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► Again I would have to come with major gains and I think you know John everything you said is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► and you know looking at what they would lose with with Windows compatibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► and the cost of having all developers have to recombine you know as you said last time we talk about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► or as I said at least you know going from Power P.C. To intel they use Rosetta to try to help transition along. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2272">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► The old stuff but that also worked primarily because the inputs are for so much faster. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► There was a huge performance jump on it when they made that transition. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► And here there probably wouldn't be that same performance jump in fact it might even get slower so it would not be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► easy transition if you possible you know they could do it you know it's a different environment now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► when this isn't as important to developers in the mac app store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► You know they're using Apple's Apple's Xcode toolkit and everything so Apple has a ship a cross compiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► and make universal Viner's again like they could do it if they wanted to but it would not be a cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► or easy transition to make and so the question is whether it would be worth it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► And I've been looking at these numbers and thinking about you know John you're writing about the fab capacity issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► and I don't see it really being worth it to say I think they could actually make a pretty darn high performance ARM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► chip mostly because I like their integration like the fact that they control the compiler they control the language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► they they control the micro architecture of the chip. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► You can really get some impressive gains out of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► but you still are always in the end faced with the problem of who the hell is going to fab the ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► and if the answer is an Intel using their best process before they do it before at the same time as they do their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► flagship chips then your answer as well doesn't matter how great your chip is if you have to fab size a generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► How the hell are you going to compete on price performance with them like it is just a huge advantage to say you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► twenty two nanometers and work fourteen it's like you know like the bring of the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► Eighty six tackling all these crazy instructions like the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► Eighty six tax and then going down you know for it just always keeps going down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► and down because as the number of transistors in the chip goes up and up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► and even if you exclude cash which is a huge part of it but even or even if you screw the G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► Like the the percentage of transistors you have to spend then I say six is so small that it's not even a factor like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► it's a factor you know in terms of elegance and it's just disgusting to think about those things being there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► and it would be nice if more of them get phased out but at this point it's like I say sixty four is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2395">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► As it grows you can implement the old like sixteen bit instructions in crazy ass crap is never going to call this slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► as you want with a few transistors you might like it it's just it's a tiny blip. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► It's not the kind of blip you can build a sustainable Frohman's advantage are you know like process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► and manufacturing costs are such a huge part of this and so in DOS to be a huge part in that I don't know the ins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► and outs of the details of people been talking about this but like C.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► Was one thing when you've got chipset you've got thunderbolt you've got whatever the current version of P.C.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► Express is and all that stuff and a lot of that stuff is tied up with either patterns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► or actual intellectual property that involves Intel so I don't think you can get away from Intel unless you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► and like let you do something like that I was devised I was like oh no thunderbolt over here we don't have U.S.P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► Our own little widget it's got her own port on the side of it and we control everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► but you can't can't quite do that with Macs yet we're also sponsored this week by a new sponsor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► It is top Brewer going to top brewery USA dot com It's from a company called Scan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2454">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► and that this is interesting so Tom Brewer is a revolutionary coffee system that dispenses espresso coffee cappuccino [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► lattes filtered sparkling water cold and hot filtered water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► and other drinks on demand via Bluetooth connection with just a tap on your I a lesser Android device copier is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► designed manufactured in Denmark a lot of things that are often come from Denmark they're difficult to pronounce such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► as Joerg Jensen is a Jensen electronics brand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► I assume it was one of my tri friends that no one's ever heard of except for you know just been around forever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► Ignorantly something eighties at least right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► Also a Bang and Olufsen which you probably heard of them at least an Apple stores and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► and of course Lego which is singular and plural at the same time it is not it is Lego trademark brand bricks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► or something right so anyway leo comes from Denmark to great design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► and great coffee are also part of Denmark's culture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► Now a top Brewer drinks are customizable and can be saved as favorites. You can have this thing if you if you prefer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2513">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► Nine point five grams of pressure being the nearest restroom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► or over eight point five grams you can save your preference of a favorite and your favorite drink tap away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► He can save you know whether you like more or less foam in your cap. You know all this stuff. Now it's cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► Top Gear You probably saw the circling around like the you know look at these cool gadgets kind of sites about a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► ago when they first announced and showed it off. It looks just like a big like you know one of the U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► It is looks like a tap on a flat counter and all the machinery and reservoirs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► and everything for it are hidden in the countertop. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► It is it is the coolest like cleanest most modern looking thing I've seen in a long time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► It's all you know all the machinery is hidden away and you can see this beautifully designed silver tap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► and it's really cool. And these are commercial great component in the topper. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► Now they target both home installations as well as small offices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► and commercial settings that includes a bird grinder for the coffee which is made of even the berg grinder is made of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2574">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► cast aluminum and it alone is thirteen pounds and is really you know high quality stuff in here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► So Tom Brewer is the perfect marriage of beautiful design exquisite coffee and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► and here here's what you do you find one of these things are installed in your home. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► But first if you want to try go find one they have them installed various places around a lot a lot of cities these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► days and they're expanding very soon. So go find one of these. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► You install their app and then you can order from the app you can walk up the thing order it right from the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► and then it makes your drink right there you don't have to interact with anybody. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► So I may be the very severe I have a problem with this I don't know but you don't interact with anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► or you know give your name to they can misspell in the cup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► or anything like that you just walk up to this thing with the app and it makes your preferred drink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► and you can walk up to any of these things anywhere anywhere that you find one in any city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► and the stores that have them or you can store one right in your home or office. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► So anyway go to topic Brewer USA dot com It is top Brewer USA dot com Check it out it's really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2632">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► Sting and I think they're probably going to be big pretty soon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► All right so the other thing that's been going around the Internet over the last week to week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► and a half maybe two weeks is whether or not anyone can make money in the Iowa SAP store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► Mark are you making a funny story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► and three months of flying for Marco to field I think the the actual full version of that is it is impossible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► anyone to make money in the out start besides Marco a face with the name that's as Marco I'd like to rather be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► That's true I mean there's there's two problems really that that people face problem number one is getting noticed at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► all and ever having strong sales. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► You know so that's like you know my my reputation an existing audience gives me that kind of for free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► but in Problem number two affect me as much as much as anybody else which is once you found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2693">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► and saturated the number of people who are going to ever buy your app what happens to your sales curve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► and how do you get more people to buy it who are not finding it or who are choosing not to buy it or who aren't even. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► Who are you know looking at the category and choosing one your competitors instead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► And that's a look at a much harder problem and I don't have any benefits their over anyone else really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► and so you know the the first problem you can you can you can kind of address by doing things like you know like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► picking a category where there's less competition but there is still a market that's really hard to find though. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► You know a lot of times in a competition because it isn't very useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► or you know it's a problem that it's very useful to like ten people in the world and you're one of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► It's going be hard to sell it and a lot of things are just like you know it's kind of cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► but you know who's going to pay for it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► And if the if it isn't that compelling to pay for even if it's kind of cool it's hard to get a lot of sales there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► So you know we've seen a lot of these blog posts over the last couple of weeks on the problems in the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► and how hard it is for developers to make a good living there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► and a lot of Eliphaz share numbers like actual numbers here's what we made which is unusual you know in most places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► talking about your salary is taboo. That's a whole other discussion about whether that should be that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► They're actually really can print money episode about that recently that you can find. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► It's interesting though to see because most of these people are revealing is that they're making a lot less money than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► people might have assumed and that a lot less money that then is worth continuing to work on it basically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► And so you know this is started out by Jared Sinclair and his post about unread which is an R.S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► Reader and it ends up it's made you know that number is like thirty thousand dollars over five time over a year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► Right it's not like that you know I thought it was like forty ish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► but the point is it was in the thirty to fifty range let's say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► Right yeah so you know and so it was you know below his expectations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► and makes it hard to justify a full time work on it if you know you know if you're a programmer in the United States [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► paying for United States health insurance and everything and rent and or mortgage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► and everything else like it's pretty expensive to live here and if you're if you're making thirty thousand a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► when you have a skill that you could make easily twice that probably more so than the area that you live in working for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► anybody else. That's kind of hard to justify. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► So I don't know Casey I mean when you think about as a person I mean people get mad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► when I talk about this because they anything I say people people say oh well you can't you this doesn't apply to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► you can't say that it was work for market like people people are very mad at you when I talk about the so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2875">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► So OK you are more normal than I am and people tend to like you a lot more so what do you think of this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► Right so I think it's a tough thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► and there's been a bunch of things that a friend of the show underscore David Smith has posted both in text form in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► I think he is a good counterpoint to yours in so far as he is also successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► but he does it by way of diversification whereas you do it by way of really dumping all of your time into one app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► and both of those are perfectly valid ways of going about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► For me I don't think I'm going to ever post this in a blog post or anything but I was looking at fast text numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► and in brief the first check I got for from Apple was on the end of September and twenty ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► and I was unbelievably excited about that because I had actually earned some modicum of money on the App Store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2937">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► If we care I could go in the blow by blow of how much I earned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► but suffice to say it wasn't until sometime during A.T.P.'s run that I finally cracked in to get into profit for a fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► text and I was just tearing up all the numbers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► And if I added things correctly I am one hundred forty three dollars in the black That counts for all the profit I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► made which is about all the all the money I've made which is about six hundred fifty bucks minus five years in the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► Store which is about one hundred bucks a pop minus the forty dollars I spent on a pasty express to make the world's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► worst icon with feet. I like that. Well you know it's attracting D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► Tickets or travel or the price he paid for the inferior footless I counted replaced. Well I have not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/2991">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► I was my friend Jacob so I actually did not charge me for that icon he did it out of the goodness of his heart because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► he's awesome and I don't know if he's doing contract work anymore but if you want to get I can talk to him anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► but I don't count how do I tell you a prophet. Well yes and no. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► Of the four years I've been to see I think work paid for three of them if I'm not mistaken. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► So you could argue that that that one year would put me heavily in the red but I consider that slightly ancillary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► and we can get into a whole debate as to whether or not that's reasonable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► Let's take as completely unrelated let's assume I've never been a W.D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► Still over five years because fast text last season launched shortly after I was four came out in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► So in the five or so years that it's been out I've earned one hundred forty three dollars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► Now I've done nothing to promote it other than occasionally mentioning it here and that's about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► And to be honest especially now it's getting a little old getting a little long in the tooth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► I need to find some time to work on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► but simply because I know I can't believe it over to ship before your Iowa seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► and the really embarrassing thing is that the Iowa state is going to beat me too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► Yes I did work on it briefly two weeks ago and I What was it that you had said can't shoot the top layer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► Yes that got me halfway there but I'm not quite through yet and because I'm too damn stubborn to use Springs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► and struts. I still haven't updated it then anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► But yes over the course of five years having done no real marketing whatsoever I've earned one hundred forty three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► dollars and I'm happy with that I mean I'm certainly not complaining about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► but I certainly wouldn't be leaving my job for one hundred forty three dollars over five years. I mean that's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3114">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► That's like one nice meal. If by now you see mean Pinera bread every half year to a year if you know what I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► So it's it's a hard in in Justin Williams has been talking in his snarky way which I love but he's been talking on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► and off about that you know what business is just hard. Business is hard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► And that's that's the thing is that you've got to be a business man before woman before your a developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► and a lot of cases and I think Marco you've done pretty well with that by finding a nice Schmich nice whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► and then finding a Cutty that's not that's not terribly well served up until overcast in the case of overcast finding a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► way to make it something unique and we'll see over time or you'll see over time whether or not that's sustainable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► But I underscore David Smith by comparison has his hands in a lot of different pots and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► and that's what keeps him profitable and able to be independent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► and something mention in the chat a moment ago well yeah you know you say you didn't do any real marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► but well you mentioned it on A.T.P. and That's marketing and you know that's a fair point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► That's an absolutely fair point but OK let's assume that that's a quote unquote real marketing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► I still have only heard one hundred fifty pucks over five years you know so that's real marketing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► That means it's even more depressing than we originally thought. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► So some of it is all sponsored by fast Xed the great you know so I don't know it's I long so much I long so much to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► able to go independent and do my own thing and not work for the man and I love my job I truly do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► But it would be so neat to be like you or underscore and B be able to to be be my own person if you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► and you know it may get air quotes but in the end of the day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3236">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► I don't really have a terribly stressful job and as long as I show up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► and do decent work I'm going to maintain that not terribly stressful job and there's a lot to be said for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► and I think as always the grass is greener on the other side and I you know I have a I have it pretty easy all told. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► So so young and foolish to put the show up every day and do good work and keep my job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► After after my first child was born lost my job and a way of lots of fun. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► But Job numbers speak them or three or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► This is four and did you volunteer voluntarily leave all the previous jobs. Thus far yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► So you're a quitter you're going to have what I'm saying is chances are good that you're going to have more jobs in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► your life and if and I think it's a reasonable chance that some of those transitions will happen not by your choice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► It is certainly possible I tend to try to pick a company that from everything I can tell is stable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► and from that into the best of my ability. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► I am certainly not the most important person there but I am not the low hanging fruit if you will. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► But you're right I mean my our the company that I work for it could fold tomorrow and I could be none the wiser. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► Well if I went on the chance of an episode of quit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► but like you know the whole the whole thing is like the illusion of stability versus the non-A lose like that the panic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► that you feel in the stress that you feel about dog under my own thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► but that means it's all on me whereas like well now I'm not doing my own thing it's not on me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► but at least I have security where you really don't have security but it kind of feels like you do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► So the reality is that depending on you depending on your personality trait. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► Bottom line is do you feel more stressed are you more stressed in situation every situation be regardless of whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► the situation A and B. Are actually comparable in any way. Like just because you feel safer in a job doesn't mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3354">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► but feeling safer is like ninety percent of the battle anyway like if you if you you know if you have a personality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► where if you were to go off on your own all you do is stress all the time you know that that wouldn't be a good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► for you even if it was exactly comparable risk wise in reality it just matters how you feel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► But like all this stuff on the Web going around about the App Store viability I have to think that it's motivated by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► like if it's knows there's no point writing about this if there is not if it's on an angle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► and the angle I see a lot is someone who's not me is to blame for my difficulties and not in a bad way as ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► and I think that was like it was it was just on you you're like well I recall in case you think he's not running post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► complaining about an artist make money at a fast X. Whose fault is that that you know if I say well c'est X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► A awesome super dooper app has hundreds not has it been updated religiously to keep up with latest techno it has not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► You know it's not like you're searching for like why can I make money out you know wow you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► and make money off as that you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► and that's why you're not writing a blog post about it whereas other people like JARRETT You know they'd say like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► It embodies my own ideals I think the interface is great I think it does something useful I really like the way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► works I worked hard on it it's bug free have kept it updated to use latest technologies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► and then it's like why why aren't I successful and you're not going to turn that on yourself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► Because I made an awesome map I did a good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► but as I look at all the other apps that are out there mine is least as good as them is not better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► So you're going to immediately be looking for some reason why you didn't succeed it doesn't have to do with your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► and in most cases not really your fault like you did do a good job on the things you care about like you did make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► and I see why it is a good at but is bug free don't do something useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► but then you get all the things that Mark was talking about. All right well then whose fault is it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► Well maybe you wrote an app that has has the potential customer base of ten people they all voted already. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3474">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► Right now maybe maybe your case doesn't match other people's tastes like if you have a beautiful bug free nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► interfaced application for like you know counting oranges. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► How many people in the world need to count oranges may be just a hobby of yours or Trainspotting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► or sent some other straight like you have so much more to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► and that's where the end of the business maybe you could be going to maybe it's already crowded so it's over then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► that's kind of boring too that's where a lot of these things get to is like oh just business is hard or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► but everyone is looking for something more interesting that because just saying this is hard like that post has to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► after everyone else's post comes to be kind of like the you know let me just say the obvious thing to get us back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► The previous ones are like what is what is Apple what is the app is the app store environment getting worse is Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► not doing things that may used to be easier to make money but now it's not as easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► and I blame Apple for that because they control the ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► and I was there is an angle that because it's like if you want to make an AI with app the App Store is the only game in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► town. Likewise you want to sell more of those jailbreak stories or something which usually people don't want to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► Apple controls everything and so unless Apple is perfect I made a good app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► I think I picked a reasonable category but the App Store is harder to make money in now than it used to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► And whenever I see posts like that I think well yeah like people know about it now like it's not you know getting an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► Early of the of the of the gold rush is over the Gold Rush didn't end because Apple did something bad the Gold Rush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► ended because everyone everyone came to California like been there and here now like the gold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► and the gold's been dug out of the ground. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► When you're the first app on the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► and they want everyone buys it because nothing for them to buy you know if you were the first read later app then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► get a lot more customers than if you're the seventeen three they are bright that's just the Gold Rush means everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► rushed in and the market was filled and so now of course hard to make money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► but it kind of like what I kind of go back to is the I see this a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► and for writers complaining I guess developers too like writers developers anybody does anything creative fields in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3591">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► Element they like don't work for free we all heard that before I think I've done this complained about the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► on the talk as we don't work for free because it devalues you know the work so when you work for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► and I tell somebody that I want to get paid like law to take this guy he works for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► and don't do that because you're here making the thing that we do less valuable by being willing to do it for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► and that is one hundred percent true if the market is full of people like I will write your application for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► or I will write your blog post for free or I will do this logo design for you for free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► It makes it harder for you to charge money for any of those services because if the guy doing it for free is just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► good or God forbid better than you you you know it's very difficult to charge money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► If you're talking to your peers Hey everybody who does whatever everybody who paints paintings everyone who writes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► articles ever turned up software don't do your thing for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► or don't give your thing away because that makes it harder for all of us to make money and that is true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► but the problem with that is one of the things that you're doing is really fun really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3655">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► What if it's really fun to make apps but it's really fun to do painting sort of logo design is really fun. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► What if you can do it in your spare time like while having a regular job out of college students really like to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► and they're really smart and talented and don't really need to have a job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► Those are unfortunate facts of life about many endeavors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► and making apps is kind of fun like working for yourself is also fun all these things that make it attractive to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► and you know it's like that makes it attractive to everybody everybody wants to do that everybody wants to lead the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► good life want to do something cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► and all the people who are able to do that something cool because they don't need to have a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► or because they're in college or because they're just young and foolish or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► and like their reward is the fun of it. They take forever or else to make money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► That's like I don't know it's like that's not I don't I don't think you can blame anybody in that the people saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► that it's harder it is harder but I don't really blame the people doing it for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► or for the fun of it because they're getting their own reward out of it and like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3716">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► That's what I like to say the people who raised all of us are not entitled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► but like I'm making it seem independent of that thing of saying there is no entitlement to be able to make a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► living doing something awesome that you love. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► Right Think of all the people who are in actual real creative fields like you know people who want to be a singer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► songwriters or like painters or poets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► You couldn't but I wouldn't be great if I could make six figures a year writing poetry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► Yes that would be great good luck with that. Right like the more people want to do it the more awesome it seems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► Of course the harder it's going to be to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► and writing applications is a much more viable skill in terms of making money than poetry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► But it's a continuum and writing applications that you feel like writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► when you feel like writing them is farther towards the poetry end of the spectrum than doing what about Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► or I do which is doing something that in a status company needs you to do for money in a business that they've already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► proven is a viable business. That depressing you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► Do you John at all aspire to be independent and be that an independent consultant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► or perhaps an independent product guy do is there any part of you that that desires for that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► Oh I aspire to be retired now. That's a wonderfully John thirty's of the center of the low. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► I sparred not to have to work I aspired to be independently wealthy all these are reasons why I will never have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► things but you did ask me what I want to put what I want I want to not have to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► and who doesn't want to not have to work. Exactly so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► So except being that working in some capacity is a fact of life at the age in which we all are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► Would you eat in a perfect world do you think you would prefer to be independent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► or do you think you would be you would prefer to be working for the man and have that either perceived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► Ron Sterling whatever else does which as you kind of like you do the thing that causes the least pain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3833">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► I mean essentially So like so for me I would be incredibly stressed out if I was in any of any of these situations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► indie developers are in only men just it just is not compatible with my personality right so the only way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► Like it's very attractive the only way I could do it is if is if I could say well I don't have to worry about money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► So like that's what that's the thing of it is like if you just dumped a bucket of money I mean so here you go you never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► had to worry about money and what I would end up doing would look a lot like what an indie developer is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► but the only reason to be able to do it is because I would have no pressure to be successful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► Like I could do whatever the hell I wanted and it doesn't matter to Caesar fails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► and that's the only way I could do that without like stressing myself to death. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► Either you find of the things to stress about not like you know like this is like the remaining I guess I'm probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► stressed about health and stuff about my kids and all those stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► but you know there's always something like in terms of work the only thing I would do the only way I would ever do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► the indie lifestyle is if I didn't count like of it didn't matter where I succeeded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► or failed so I because I just wouldn't be kind of like that Marco leaves well or I needed him to developers were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► or even if your livelihood depends on you being successful by by doing something that you want to do with a skill that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► you have there be writing an application or even like writing a novel or running your own website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► or anything like that where it's just you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► Nobody else knows of course like there's the entre entrepreneurial spirit I did not have that because who appears to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► too much stress and I would be miserable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► and so I have chosen a life that avoids that stress by saying someone else worry about that I will develop my skills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► become a valuable worker or someone else to pay and that to me feels more secure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► and I don't know what number a job I'm on like six seven something like that like I I don't like that experience either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► But the gaps are longer and in between I feel like I have more stability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► and I would know things about which is why neither one of us to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3957">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► This Point in case you are Marco and Marco is Marco because he has been I think you are not willing to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► There's a big asterisk here though what a lot of people don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► or have forgotten is that I didn't take in the development full time until after it was successful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► Yes and that's true but I thought about this on and off a fair bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► You did answer a Craigslist ad for a job posting that had for a company of one employee which is something that I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► but there's no frickin way I would ever do that because at that point all of the stability I'm seeking it's not there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► because just one guy how could one guy possibly do anything right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► Many of us he was young though like I am I do that about as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► No that was a concern that was definitely concerned because I you know because of how expensive New York is to live in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► I was concerned that well if this company goes under and I thought getting paid like it takes like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► and a half months for me to have no savings left and that's it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► but I mean the main reason I did that was not because I was some like you know forward thinking maverick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► or something that was going to only had two offers that were at all even reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► and I really didn't want to be either one like the other one would be miserable and I knew that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► and David made Let me we're going to mak. So that was it like that was that was a factor that into it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► Right in that all of that makes sense with the Think of it is is that you took what to John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► but what to me what it was a tremendously risky offer even though in a lot of ways it was better it was still riskier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► So risk adverse that I really admire the fact that you took that job offer at David Hill which led to all I would argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► with led to all of these other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► and I if if I was in the same position I would have gone to whatever the financial services firm whatever it was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► were looking at or that you that you were also flirting with. That's right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4077">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► Would be and I would be freaking miserable right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► OK I would have taken a job that I had my first job out of school was like in a five person startup it was like the dot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► com days like one nine hundred ninety seven so that's what you did and if your first job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► and you don't have any responsibilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► and you figure you know like I did take that job it's just that my company didn't turn out to become a lawyer like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► you know you know I mean like this is like a drug like the thing about Marco saying well I didn't leave my job until I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► was making good money with Instapaper I guess that's the only way to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► But even at that point I would be saying well you know I did this app in my spare time it's popular people like it I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► and I would never get to that lead point is I would say you can't quit your job because you know you're making money of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► an apple or a next year and the year after that and the year after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► and you have to have some confidence like this is the thing that I can do that I can sustain this that I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► have to run a second happen a third app and I had to find ways to make money you know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► and I would never have confidence that I could do them what I would feel like I was doing it if I take time off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► I'm I'm derailing from like a career path elsewhere and if I go off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► and Instapaper goes for a few years now it kind of fizzled out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► and like oh now what do I do I gotta go back into the job market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► and I would be afraid that I can't get back into the job training how that's that is not really a rational fear because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► if you wrote into the paper and it said Phil after for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► but did really well in between you would be no problem for you finding a job doing like I was contracting around it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► like it's you wouldn't actually be a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► but I mean I was looking at the App Store at the time zone one twenty seven there was no answer and then like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► but that's the kind of feeling that like even if you are doing a side project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► and even the side projects become successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► and lucrative the truly you know sort of person who is afraid about his financial security like I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► and probably Casey is would be like oh that's fine you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► but you can't quit your job because what you can do next year or the year after that for ten years now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► or fifteen years or twenty years from now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► or do you think this is a sustainable thing you can do in your entire career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► or do you think this is something that might go well for a couple years and you have to get a real job again and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4195">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► When if you had to get a real job again anyway wanted to keep a real job you have now because it'll be harder to get. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► You know that's the that's the that's the kind of little voice in the back of my head that's preventing me from ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► doing it ever ever doing anything independent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► but you know the trick there really is quit you know that the flaw in that thinking is in assuming that jobs are stable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► and the reality is like they're they're not at all like Yeah I've made the same point before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► and I'm just saying like people do essentially what makes them feel comfortable within the bounds of their values [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► or whatever and within the bounds of my values having a regular salaried job makes the rest of my life less stressful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► As you get closer to retirement maybe that changes just like well you know maybe I go independent now because it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► like I have twenty years of career ahead of me anyway so if I end up doing something outside of my job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► or because they were successful I can jump ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► and do that because after a few years then I'm actually really I'm going to retire with all the money I saved from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► salary job during those years anyway so I think all these in developers talking to each other on these blogs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4257">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► and amongst each other is just kind of a way of each person coming to terms with their own sort of values like it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► a certain amount of guts to leap into that lifestyle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► And it takes a certain sort of temperament [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► and mindset to keep at it like underscore definitely has the mindset he has the mindset to jump into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► and he has the head for keeping doing and he's going to do what it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► and he's like you know that the full spectrum kind of business thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► and you do Margot for those that you know like you may like set one aspect more than another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► but you realize there is a spectrum of things that you have to do with the business side the marketing side choosing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► what you're going to do the technical side and you have your favorites and I'll be like all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► but you realize it's sort of a you know it's sort of like a full stack web developer you have to be forced out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► and you have to be able to tolerate the lifestyle that comes that obviously success makes it more tolerable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► but some people jump into it liking only want to aspect of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► and realize that all that other stuff is just necessary like and that's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4316">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► A problem of the gold rush is you can jump into it just being into like the one aspect of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► and just like I really like development and I made an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► and it's one of the only three of its kind in the App Store and I'm making money for three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► and then all the sudden all these competitors come in it becomes a more competitive market space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► and you're like well I really don't like doing any of the parts except for the cool part where you write the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► and if I don't do those things I can't really compete and store you've changed man cycle there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► Maybe you just weren't cut out for that just like the environment changed and your the things that you like to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► and don't like to do no longer make so they are no longer fit for success in this environment right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► and so as the environment changes the things that it's like for success change as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► and I don't like we all have complaints about the App Store when Apple does know they're all the German complaints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► but most of this sort of talking about the App Store I think has to do with people coming to terms with their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► tolerance for what the current app store environment is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► and then because some people like well I had to stop being independent I had a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4376">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► or other people are going to stick it out no matter what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► and like what you don't hear about only things like well here's my sales numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► but like Does your spouse work during that time are you still living with the parents. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► Are you independently wealthy in sort of the matter what happens here anyway because you have a trust fund like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► never know what they're actually do you live in Kansas where your rent is really low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/4395">TS</a>]
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01:25:57 ◼ ► but I've been working on overcast it really. Has it been full time I've had this show and I've had my blog. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5157">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► and so I had I didn't have zero income for the last year I had income from those two things I don't think I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► done overcast if I had zero income for a year like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► I think I ought to try to find some way of having money come in every month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► and you know we all start from a very small amount like you look at apps today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► It's similar to like putting Ad Sense on a blog in two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► and six right like I had some time ago in two thousand and six and I was extremely happy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► You know I was getting like fast techno bars at most you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► and Google had like a minimum where they would even send you a check until you had a lease of the of the hundred bucks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► It was like fifty or one hundred bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► and I only hit that twice in the entire time I ran ad so I made a total of like two hundred bucks maybe in like five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► You were as on my blog it was it was miserable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5216">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► and I was working on that frequently I was writing like probably once a week at least. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► The problem is like the amount of effort you put into something does not correlate directly to how much other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► and so you have to have reasonable expectations of you know no matter how much effort you put into an app of type X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► You're probably not going to earn more then you know a few thousand bucks in the best case scenario rather than bemoan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► that and complain and say it's Apple's fathers you know there are things Apple can do to improve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► but this is mostly not Apple's problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► I think if you look at like what something like underscore David Smith is doing he makes many apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► He tries things all the time he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:45 ◼ ► and he took on one of the shows recently I think he's made a couple hundred apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5265">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► and they aren't all still in existence in the store but he like created something like a couple hundred apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► and you know he sees what works he doesn't put a ton of time into Version want to see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5276">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► and in the ones that work he puts the time in that that they earn basically from their sales like proportionally like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► if something sells well I'll give it the attention it you know more attention to succeed more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► And if something doesn't sell that well he's going to you know he just continues it and moves on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► That's a really smart approach it's a very pragmatic approach to very effective approach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► and it's very realistic of like what the store actually is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► I saw another post from a guy who said Often I'll turn it on in the shadows I'm sorry I don't member of the names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► offhand but I'm sort of a post from a guy who said like he develops apps on the side as well as most of his income [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► but he lives a really inexpensive lifestyle and he can like go skiing with his family and be present for his kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► and he just you know lower expectations and lowers his expenses and that's and he can do what he wants. That's great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► Like if you go into it with realistic Titian's you can succeed but you have to you have to know what the market is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► and know what you're likely to get out of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► and I saw also a Justin Williams had a post saying that he doesn't think you could spend more than one hundred days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► building version one point oh because that way you know you get it out there quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► and if it's going to be a flop you can move on quickly if it's going to be a hit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► Then you can know that you can choose how much you invest in it in the future. That again great advice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► I know I just violated all this with overcast but you know keep in mind I was like that was not full time work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► It's all about limiting your risk and lowering expectations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► and then adapting to the conditions that actually happen once you put it out there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► There was also a man with I forget the name what's what's the guy who wrote the four part experiment who had an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► and he made a friend I made a purchase an app store experiment Stuart Hall. All right now I know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► OK so it's Stuart Hall and when the show notes it's called an avatar experiment there's like five or so parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► and it's really good. It's a really good read so he started out he made he made an app called. Seven minute workout. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5395">TS</a>]
01:30:01 ◼ ► It does something relatively simple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5401">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► But whether there is a market for it but it's a relatively simple app and he started out with it being a pain app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► and then it went in and purchased a free app and he's trying all these additional things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► and he's showing the results he's showing all the actual numbers the whole time of like you know here's like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► setting like every six months or so he posts a new thing using here that I've done the last six months. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► It is had and everything this is the way to do the app store you need you take an approach like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► when a person underscore David Smith's where he makes a lot of small apps first then decide what to work on you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► what to give more time to afterwards. That is how you succeed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► I think this blog discussion as it spread out from our circle we start to get into things that are different because in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► our circle this is the people who want to sort of live the life where you want to make an application that you think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:49 ◼ ► cool that does something you're interested in and you want to make it the way you want to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5449">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► and then you hope people pay for that and that is kind of the central core of our little circle of people. Right right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:58 ◼ ► And as this discussion has spread out you start getting into the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5458">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► and I think underscores at the fringes of our circle because he also has kind of the same values of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► but a lot of the people closer into this central part of the Indian life that would say yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► but I want to make one hundred apps because I probably wouldn't be into a lot of those apps or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:16 ◼ ► and like there's a person Stewart already forgot his name Stewart one of the things that they're into is the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5476">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► business part of it the game part of figuring out what do I do to my business to be like I'm turning dials here some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► those dollars have to do with writing COBRA the dials have to do with things like pricing or what job should I make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► or wish that you know that's the thing that they're into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► and as you go farther rather than sort of you find some guy was making like an I.R.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► Application that helps the reception desk at a dental office and he's making a living doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► but he's so far outside our circle he never seen any of these blog posts right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► But he's happily making a living doing that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► but I don't want to make a dental app it's not interesting to me at the cost of me about as fun anymore you know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► have to move away from the center of exactly what I want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5516">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► When I want I want to do an awesome job and I want to get paid like Yeah everybody wants that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► and if you're if your skills and interests and what you do happens to coincide with a way to make money that's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► but as you spread out people have different interests maybe someone is super into making you know applications for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► dentist office right. And that's what he wants to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► Maybe he wouldn't be in our circles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:19 ◼ ► or maybe he's just like well I'll do this because this makes money like it's the desire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► or the center of the thing is like this sort of selfishness i or to just be happy doing what you want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► and as you tell people actually you have to be farther away from the thing you're like actually you have to be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► like underscore because as I put those not fundamental it's obviously fun Berners course he's doing it right he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:39 ◼ ► actually interested in that he said but it's not fun for me what I want to make is that whatever app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5559">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► and I want to make games that's all I want to make and it's like well you know good luck Mike. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► It's not everyone can do exactly what they want to do some people are willing to get off of like America three seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► record score on the show is that like would you prefer just make one beautiful application that you really into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5575">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► or do you actually like this part of it where you try to make lots of like is that actually interesting to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► and I think like it he's always blogging about an area it seems like that aspect of it is interesting to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:08 ◼ ► and just he's lucky in that that interest him and he's good at it and it matches with the skill set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5588">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► and that allows him to be successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► and all these people who are having small success they would do what they want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► when they were doing it the best they could to just turns out that that is not a formula for making money at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► particular time and there are many things they can do to change their behavior to make more money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► but the question for them is do those changes make me less happy and is it worth it for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► or is there something else I could do that's radically different like say get it do I US contracting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► or just get a regular job or you know get a job in totally unrelated field [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► and continue to do this on the side that would give me an overall happier life again it's back to like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► centrally trying to do what's going to make you the happiest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5630">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► and picking an arbitrary goal like I want to be successful in the developer if that's not actually going to make you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:59 ◼ ► happy because. What it takes to be an individual or you should do something else you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5639">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► So in summary despite what we thought the forecast isn't as overcast as we initially believed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► Thanks a lot to our three sponsors this week need top Brewer and fracture and we will see you next week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► Now this show is over they didn't even mean to be here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► It was accidental accidental just because it was that it was accidental. Thank you for today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5673">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► and that it's not a long time workshopping that while we're talking while NOT a while since I've had an extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► cheesy joked in the show it's been like two weeks. How is your show about doing is it up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► Yeah actually somebody whose name I don't have in front of me. No not the Robbie Mick Kenny McKinney I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► Made a really good poll request which I have a couple of minor quibbles with so I didn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:56 ◼ ► I told him call it like I see it anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5756">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► I'm assuming this is a he made upon request so it will periodically back itself up to paste been well which I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:07 ◼ ► was which I thought was a very clever idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5767">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► It's complicated not the solution hits like Goldberg machine the persistence every every three seconds it prints out a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► little piece of paper then that's like a bird in the birds fly hands are there and under a lot of data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:30 ◼ ► Anyway ten foot pole named I.B.M. Don't like it it was like two seconds of the show. I spy to be retired. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5790">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► I actually was going to petition for my own title but that is pretty good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► Yeah that's my pick from what I've seen so far. Who doesn't aspire to be retired. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► You can you aspire to be retired you know Casey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► Oh I absolutely I aspire to not like full fledge like John Roderick I have to be a retired CIA director. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► Just because you're tired is fine. I don't aspire to be retired. You are retired. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5814">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► Retirement like to me the idea of not working is really boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► but it's not not working retired means you no longer have your job you would still do the things that you like doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:11 ◼ ► it's just that you don't and you're not doing them because someone is telling you to and that's your life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5831">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► Kind of a blurry line though like like I said if I thought I was retired my life would look a lot more like Markos like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► I would still probably do tech related things it's just that I'm not doing them to get someone is telling me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► or because I want to pay me to understand them because it's what I feel like doing well as an example if I was quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► unquote retired I would absolutely still write for my blog that not that many people read. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:38 ◼ ► I would still do the show because those are the things that I ninety nine percent of the time enjoy doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► I told you earlier I really like my job but I don't enjoy my job ninety nine percent of the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:51 ◼ ► Kind of in the parking lot sometime exactly as a title of mine that I was going to petition for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5871">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► but I think the other one is better with full stack business person. I think John said but I spire to be retired. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5876">TS</a>]
01:38:06 ◼ ► and I like four states as a person better than that I think it's more at the heart of the river discussing about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5886">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► having to do all the aspects of being successful not just the ones that you like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► I mean in that respect I guess like when that's not the part of Mark I like to feel like working. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► Like he enjoys I'm sure you enjoy the develop part way more of the other parts right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:25 ◼ ► but you got to do the other parts you know like that's your that's your version of that's your boss basically you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5905">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► that you have to do the parts of maintaining your business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► and doing all that crap because you know that's just part of it like you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:37 ◼ ► and you hate managing people more than you had doing yourself is going to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5917">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► and just you know deal with it right that that is essentially your boss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► but the thing is you know being retired is like well what are depending on a hobby that you pick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:50 ◼ ► There's probably some aspect of that too like for example say I'm retired I would probably still like to write things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5930">TS</a>]
01:38:54 ◼ ► and maybe I would still write like big you know interviews first I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5934">TS</a>]
01:38:58 ◼ ► and there's aspects of the writing process that I don't like to. But overall it's still worth it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5938">TS</a>]
01:39:03 ◼ ► So I would do the parts that I don't like because overall I still like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5943">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► and I would still feel like I'm retired I don't have a boss telling you what to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► but I'm still doing activities that have aspects of it that feel like drudgery because the overall I like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5949">TS</a>]
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01:39:20 ◼ ► and didn't now terror to part now you like every part of that I did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:26 ◼ ► Well I got frustrated but I did like an overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5966">TS</a>]
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01:39:34 ◼ ► negotiate for a trademark on the name for your show BOD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:36 ◼ ► or filling out paperwork for taxes in New York state like no no no no no nothing like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5976">TS</a>]
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01:39:44 ◼ ► and talk about this aspect of the independent lifestyle like I think I dislike the business part of it even more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► Marco does which is saying something I think well it doesn't. Honestly it isn't that much work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► Well as you've done and you get used to it it's kind of becomes more a team but I personally once you cross the point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/5995">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► Where you're you're finally willing to hire an accountant. It makes things so much easier for not that much money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► And yeah and you any visible who don't have an accountant. Hire an accountant. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6005">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► All the things that you've learned over your years of doing this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:13 ◼ ► Like that process of learning that I would hate like you've already done it you've learned it you set it up you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6013">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► but there was that was work to do that maybe you enjoyed it more than more than than you've let on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► but I am just not want to like things with no interest in that and don't want to deal with it don't want to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:27 ◼ ► and don't want to be good at it don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6027">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► Well but you know there's also there's there's like entire entire types of things that you have to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:36 ◼ ► and work for someone else as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6036">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► Things like commuting getting you know finding the business dealing with the office and how things are done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:43 ◼ ► and how to file for be kidding if you had a fire on a train for those by going to school over your school going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6043">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► college trains you on how to commute how to live on your own how to deal with bureaucracy how to follow rules how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► show places on time all the things the part of the working life school essentially trains you for anyway see it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6054">TS</a>]
01:41:00 ◼ ► and chemical are a good job already know how to do this are not a commute I know I do use public transportation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6060">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► and not a show place on time and do assignments and you know like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► and that respect school is a preparation for the drudgery of life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:12 ◼ ► but all this business of being an entrepreneur is likely nothing prepares you for like well depending what your major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6072">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► is I guess that starting your own business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:20 ◼ ► and dealing with like you know all the incorporation in tax goes like the part that you have to deal with having like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6080">TS</a>]
01:41:26 ◼ ► lots of employees saying we're actually going start a real year like fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6086">TS</a>]
01:41:28 ◼ ► or hundred employees is a whole bunch stuff about that that you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6088">TS</a>]
01:41:31 ◼ ► and that would have to find out if you decide to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6091">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► but you hate that so much you're just never going to do it right because I like I did briefly have a full time employee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:39 ◼ ► and it was awful. Paperwork wise and so I stopped doing it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6099">TS</a>]
01:41:42 ◼ ► Even though like awful just not like I got an envelope from paychecks every two weeks because I was paying them like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6102">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► you know fifty bucks a month to handle it all for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:50 ◼ ► and even that like stressed me out because I didn't I didn't understand it fully and that that that bothered me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6110">TS</a>]
01:41:58 ◼ ► but forgot about like H.R. His shoes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6118">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► Like if you're having a big company we're hiring fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:02 ◼ ► or a hundred people that's just you know I'm not I'm not saying that that running a company with employees is easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6122">TS</a>]
01:42:08 ◼ ► than going work for somebody but working for yourself as a sort of pride or or like a one person L.L.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6128">TS</a>]
01:42:15 ◼ ► and I would say it's it's simpler than most people who haven't done it probably think especially please for the love of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6135">TS</a>]
01:42:22 ◼ ► God hire an accountant. As long as you have an accountant and have a lawyer do the D.L.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6142">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► Papers you know you'll be out of there for less than two thousand bucks probably for everything to be set up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► The hardest part of working for yourself is the work it's making the money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:40 ◼ ► All this other stuff is very minor by comparison. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6160">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► For most businesses that we would start you know we're lucky we're not going to try to make stuff we don't need to hire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:49 ◼ ► and have like you know malpractice liability kind of insurance is like you know we're not going to make a profit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6169">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► and then we get sued over it like we're not going to make We're not trying to sell somebody something like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6177">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► appliance of a couple in their house and going to set our house on fire. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► Much harder to like start a restaurant for example. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► Yeah I think he has all of the money up front you have to take all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:10 ◼ ► or is it to be a life saving interior to get business loans at the end of every you know for money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6190">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► and you have a one percent chance of failure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:15 ◼ ► Yeah exactly I mean the kind of business is we start are are very very easy to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6195">TS</a>]
01:43:21 ◼ ► and run by comparison I mean you get that so that's why it's like how how fun is it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6201">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► And that's another aspect how little risk is they're involved. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:29 ◼ ► Yeah and you do it in your spare time and do a lot of people think it's really cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6209">TS</a>]
01:43:33 ◼ ► Starting a restaurant is a lot of people think that's really cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6213">TS</a>]
01:43:36 ◼ ► But you cannot set in your spare time what you hold on a regular job very easily like physical businesses starting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6216">TS</a>]
01:43:42 ◼ ► or starting a restaurant stuff like that are much worse which is why you know it's so many people writing apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6222">TS</a>]
01:43:49 ◼ ► Yeah because it only takes like one hundred bucks and a few hours of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6229">TS</a>]
01:43:54 ◼ ► and you have an app in the store that like it takes so little right Casey to have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6234">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► Well that would be true if I had already known I was developing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:04 ◼ ► when I wrote fast action I know your I know you are being silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6244">TS</a>]
01:44:07 ◼ ► but if I were to write fast text again today in fact I have considered rewriting it and swear maybe the fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6247">TS</a>]
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01:44:19 ◼ ► Honestly that often is the answer to whenever Apple changes stuff dramatically like I was it dramatically changes all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6259">TS</a>]
01:44:25 ◼ ► the odd overtaken stuff and like they you know they replace all of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6265">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► and starting over with a brand new app is definitely easier in some cases especially if the app is relatively simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:38 ◼ ► like fast text is it's definitely easier just to try to like carry forward this I less four codebase for five years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6278">TS</a>]
01:44:47 ◼ ► Yeah you're absolutely right on a very random note John I'm a little disappointed in you because I eat fast food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6287">TS</a>]
01:44:54 ◼ ► italian last week and you did not break me at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6294">TS</a>]
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01:45:05 ◼ ► and not recognize that I mean to look like you know the typical garden like hot dog buns with grease sprayed on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6305">TS</a>]
01:45:12 ◼ ► people that people think are bread steaks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6312">TS</a>]
01:45:15 ◼ ► but I thought maybe it was like like you had gone back to like Virginia Tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6315">TS</a>]
01:45:20 ◼ ► and like old like you know like a place a place on campus that you were into I'm like whatever like maybe it's I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6320">TS</a>]
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01:45:35 ◼ ► and certainly know the right of refugees there's always this fast food italian that is not a joke it is like a fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6335">TS</a>]
01:45:43 ◼ ► casual I think it's what they call like a pan Arab Red sort of thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6343">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► And when you're in facilities and you're dining in you get unlimited What do you call them grease sprayed hot dog buns. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6346">TS</a>]
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01:46:00 ◼ ► In the town next to where Virginia Tech is and I used to love going there and I haven't been to one in years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:08 ◼ ► and we were on our way back from the beach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6368">TS</a>]
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01:46:17 ◼ ► and there was one and I begged Aaron. Would it be OK if we stopped and she said absolutely. And it was delicious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6377">TS</a>]
01:46:24 ◼ ► I'm looking through his menu here and I'm betting all of this is microwave probably way it looks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6384">TS</a>]
01:46:29 ◼ ► Everything I found so far could be easily microwave Here's a so we're going time restaurant on my B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6389">TS</a>]
01:46:35 ◼ ► Jobs in high school and I learned very quickly that you shouldn't order things like was on your interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6395">TS</a>]
01:46:42 ◼ ► or I had that was you you know you can't you know going to make somebody a single serving. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6402">TS</a>]
01:46:47 ◼ ► Cuba's on you know when the order it that doesn't make sense it's impractical it's probably impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6407">TS</a>]
01:46:52 ◼ ► but I think the kind of time I was on is made ahead of time and put in the fridge or frozen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6412">TS</a>]
01:46:57 ◼ ► and a mini order at the microwave and service you want to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6417">TS</a>]
01:47:00 ◼ ► and you know looking at these kind of entrees they have here I'm looking at all the same like this probably all work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6420">TS</a>]
01:47:06 ◼ ► that would probably all are just like pre-made in the freezer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6426">TS</a>]
01:47:09 ◼ ► Micro if you have the particular dish I had was the ultimate sampler which I did not consume all of because I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6429">TS</a>]
01:47:18 ◼ ► have I didn't have the room but it is fettuccine alfredo meat was on E.S.P.N. He and Penny with meat sauce. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6438">TS</a>]
01:47:25 ◼ ► So Stark's butter butter starch beef butter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6445">TS</a>]
01:47:27 ◼ ► and starchy foods a problem with fast food italian like fast food in terms of like you walk up to someone tell them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6447">TS</a>]
01:47:34 ◼ ► what you want and you keep staying there until you get the food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6454">TS</a>]
01:47:36 ◼ ► or you know we started out even if you take a little number if you wear it while it's like I mean it takes a minimum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6456">TS</a>]
01:47:41 ◼ ► like you know three four five minute to cook pasta. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6461">TS</a>]
01:47:45 ◼ ► But the fast food italian place like what they have to have the Bastardi ready and it is dumped into hot water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6465">TS</a>]
01:47:49 ◼ ► and it's like you can't that's not good. Like me just forget it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6469">TS</a>]
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01:47:58 ◼ ► up and they just don't get in hot water and soap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6478">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► Like no you can't you can't have the knowledge thing is fast food passed another kind of diet would I mean the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:07 ◼ ► restaurants make a bundle of Arnie anyway and kind of for you but they make it that day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6487">TS</a>]
01:48:10 ◼ ► Not all is well you know they're going to tell us about a place I wish I were that they wouldn't even bother the crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6490">TS</a>]
01:48:19 ◼ ► The bread they serve was frozen you know bought in and it was usually better for ten minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6499">TS</a>]
01:48:24 ◼ ► and it is a privilege of warming up to the butter they would have me take the butter cups from the tables that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6504">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► half used and just pop them off and put them back up. Yes probably legal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:36 ◼ ► Yeah I and I resisted I know I would whenever I would not do that they would yell at me and make me do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6516">TS</a>]
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01:48:51 ◼ ► thing but even if you take a little while to cook and prepare I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6531">TS</a>]
01:48:55 ◼ ► but I'm I'm not into these places that you enjoyed your terrible test for Italian you know where else I was at a Sonic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6535">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► and I don't think you guys have that in NE because it's like a tour of the worst fast food restaurant in the country. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:10 ◼ ► So this is you know what it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6550">TS</a>]
01:49:12 ◼ ► You listening to me talk about how much I was there's Ollie's in Sonic is like the entire rest of the friggin world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6552">TS</a>]
01:49:18 ◼ ► listening to you talk about Phish cheesy bread hot dogs. I did not have that. I had just a cheeseburger. This is very. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6558">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► What color is that drink what is this made from food which drink any of them but all of that are shown on the Web site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:33 ◼ ► They're always like me on those bright blue it's like a purist cyan like a bright. So what are the hot dogs in this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6573">TS</a>]
01:49:43 ◼ ► She's been with cheese and bacon on top of the hot dog with cheese wrapped around it and she's on topic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6583">TS</a>]
01:49:48 ◼ ► Oh my God LOL It's only eleven hundred calories for one of these burgers. That's pretty low for fast food. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6588">TS</a>]
01:49:55 ◼ ► How is one of these cheesy. Let's see the one they're showing on the front page. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6595">TS</a>]
01:50:00 ◼ ► The ultimate cheese and bacon cheesy bread dog name where you were to get the info when attrition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6600">TS</a>]
01:50:08 ◼ ► and only five hundred fifty calories that's not as much as I would've thought from although it's only one hot dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6608">TS</a>]
01:50:13 ◼ ► presently probably one or two of them but yeah no ultimate cheese and bacon cheesy bread dogs still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6613">TS</a>]
01:50:22 ◼ ► and one five hundred fifty calories. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6622">TS</a>]
01:50:24 ◼ ► The teal cyan drink I was seeing on the home screen is apparently Powerade brand mountain blast slush which tastes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6624">TS</a>]
01:50:33 ◼ ► mountain blast so I guess only one hundred fifty calories for that saying oh wait what that's a wacky pack. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6633">TS</a>]
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01:50:45 ◼ ► Has he registered trademark symbol after it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6645">TS</a>]
01:50:48 ◼ ► Because like none of this is actually food it's all just like cot concepts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6648">TS</a>]
01:50:51 ◼ ► and marketing trends they've invented some how fast food burgers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6651">TS</a>]
01:50:55 ◼ ► and hot dogs don't bother me as much as like fess would tell you it's because you're telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6655">TS</a>]
01:51:00 ◼ ► and I don't know I don't others like that I just been like burgers and how those were always kind of fast food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6660">TS</a>]
01:51:05 ◼ ► and there's not. They're mostly soy protein anyway or we have Shake Shack here now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6665">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► I like that I've never had Shake Shack but I'd really love to. I've heard it's excellent is very good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► There is usually a big line at the one than your going to have the one that ever rolls are but it is it is very good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6676">TS</a>]
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01:51:33 ◼ ► food. How do you guys have Five Guys Burgers and Fries of where you are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6693">TS</a>]
01:51:36 ◼ ► Yeah we have them so and comparing them they're different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6696">TS</a>]
01:51:39 ◼ ► I think I think Shake Shack feels a little bit more like feel like it's worse for you in your eating it which can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6699">TS</a>]
01:51:49 ◼ ► I don't think there's any real like health [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6709">TS</a>]
01:51:51 ◼ ► or calorie difference between them like five guys feels more like it was made by you in your house or backyard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6711">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► Exactly it's more like it was made in a restaurant because I mean they used a potato bun which maybe you wouldn't use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:04 ◼ ► at home and their burgers are a little different I like them both I think five guys fries are better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6724">TS</a>]
01:52:11 ◼ ► and five has more variety in their menu but I stopped going to you know McDonald's and Burger King [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6731">TS</a>]
01:52:16 ◼ ► or whatever I guess after I graduated college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6736">TS</a>]
01:52:18 ◼ ► and I think the reason I went in there is because they were like in the food court [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6738">TS</a>]
01:52:21 ◼ ► and I could buy them with my little you know points card thing but I don't really go to those anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6741">TS</a>]
01:52:26 ◼ ► but takes much exact came I started going to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6746">TS</a>]
01:52:28 ◼ ► and I realized it was like making up for all those years that I never went to McDonald's Burger King or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6748">TS</a>]
01:52:32 ◼ ► when you're at a fast food place because now I can go to Shake Shack and pay way more money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6752">TS</a>]
01:52:37 ◼ ► and wait on a humongous line or have my wife went on a money line rather and anger burgers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6757">TS</a>]
01:52:43 ◼ ► and I mean they work at home and stuff too but ones are better than the ones that make it home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6763">TS</a>]
01:52:48 ◼ ► and probably much worse for me to see that this is a totally southern thing but we have a thing in North Carolina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6768">TS</a>]
01:52:53 ◼ ► and Virginia called cookout and they can get like forty four pounds of food for five bucks or something like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6773">TS</a>]
01:53:00 ◼ ► But but it is just like you were at a cookout in your backyard it is Yury how similar the burgers taste. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6780">TS</a>]
01:53:10 ◼ ► But my backyard cookouts aren't that good though I want better for them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6790">TS</a>]
01:53:13 ◼ ► Why wouldn't you just have a cook at a cookout is not that hard to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6793">TS</a>]
01:53:17 ◼ ► and I'm not I'm no good I'm no good at making burgers found out that a voter tried to do anything special to make their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6797">TS</a>]
01:53:23 ◼ ► home there are right but I recently decided that it's not really worth grilling burgers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6803">TS</a>]
01:53:29 ◼ ► Most of the time I get really hot dogs it's so much easier because they're precooked so you can't really overcooked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6809">TS</a>]
01:53:36 ◼ ► them and they're very very obvious like when they're done and you like it's just so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6816">TS</a>]
01:53:41 ◼ ► and then you can have two of them or you can do different things like you know you don't get awful for having one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6821">TS</a>]
01:53:46 ◼ ► Hot dogs are slightly worse for your problem and burgers fries slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6826">TS</a>]
01:53:51 ◼ ► but they know the ones that are all beef it's mostly just you know just beef [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6831">TS</a>]
01:53:54 ◼ ► and nitrates Oh yeah well they have a low nitrate one through the month of May. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6834">TS</a>]
01:54:00 ◼ ► But the whole forever I got a Whole Foods hotdogs once like they have the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6840">TS</a>]
01:54:05 ◼ ► and no nitrates baking at Whole Foods they have also it's like healthier equivalents of healthy food really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6845">TS</a>]
01:54:09 ◼ ► and they're all awful but just terrible I actually said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6849">TS</a>]
01:54:15 ◼ ► I recently discovered there's a I don't know the brand name is there's a brand of like hipster Brooklyn hot dogs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6855">TS</a>]
01:54:22 ◼ ► They're actually made in Brooklyn and it's like eight dollars for six of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6862">TS</a>]
01:54:26 ◼ ► but they're really good they're like super foot long thing and they have the natural casing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6866">TS</a>]
01:54:31 ◼ ► and there'll be if you wanted There's a commercial option which is also really expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6871">TS</a>]
01:54:35 ◼ ► but this is basically the hotdogs I buys a fair offer something terrible for me a better to tamper with the terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6875">TS</a>]
01:54:41 ◼ ► thing. Boris had a natural casing long hotdog. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6881">TS</a>]
01:54:46 ◼ ► Yeah it's very similar to the my store has those two they're very little like seven dollars for a pack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6886">TS</a>]
01:54:53 ◼ ► Yeah they're good though like it will go in there were just similar they're they're good because it only has like four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6893">TS</a>]
01:54:59 ◼ ► ingredients and you know it's mostly beef salt and casing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6899">TS</a>]
01:55:02 ◼ ► and they're you know given how rarely I actually eat hot dogs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6902">TS</a>]
01:55:07 ◼ ► I'm willing to spend a dollar twenty five unusual if I have to do that because they are really good to look that up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6907">TS</a>]
01:55:16 ◼ ► Absolutely try those ever ever on this bike I should try those particular hot dogs because I think most people bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6916">TS</a>]
01:55:23 ◼ ► and people are afraid of them because they natural Kaysing try to like them so much better than every other hot dog if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6923">TS</a>]
01:55:30 ◼ ► i don't we don't buy anything except Boris at our dog because I want to eat anything else at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6930">TS</a>]
01:55:34 ◼ ► and then you have the regular choice or is it our dogs and the four long ones and you know they're expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6934">TS</a>]
01:55:39 ◼ ► or whatever is worth trying once to see if you care about the difference you know there's a hot dog shop very very near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6939">TS</a>]
01:55:45 ◼ ► to actually across the street from where I work and don't be creepy and it is really awesome. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6945">TS</a>]
01:55:52 ◼ ► In part because the casing has set like a really awesome snap to it in Africa. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6952">TS</a>]
01:56:01 ◼ ► And parents going to chat mentions ne things with Nathan's with natural his and those are hard to find around here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6961">TS</a>]
01:56:07 ◼ ► but I think they're the best tasting ones I've had that the Nathan's that we're using for long they might have them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6967">TS</a>]
01:56:17 ◼ ► but I figure to it like you know if you're eating hotdogs so often that paying about seventy five cents to a dollar per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6977">TS</a>]
01:56:26 ◼ ► hotdog is a big problem for you I think they're eating too many hot dogs of each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6986">TS</a>]
01:56:33 ◼ ► or you may you may be a picky toddler that only had hot dogs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6993">TS</a>]
01:56:39 ◼ ► Yes that this rule exams anyone under the age of seventeen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/6999">TS</a>]
01:56:42 ◼ ► Otherwise you're going to if you're an adult and even to me how dogs than that's a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/7002">TS</a>]
01:56:47 ◼ ► and if you're not you know many hot dogs and you can afford a dollar per dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/7007">TS</a>]
01:56:50 ◼ ► or whatever you can get these good ones who they really are better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/7010">TS</a>]
01:56:55 ◼ ► Well you really need to find know in my friend Phil. He has found up in the D.C. Area. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/7015">TS</a>]
01:57:03 ◼ ► This guy what is the name of the business I don't remember but it's it's a guy who makes sausage is his name is Losar. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/7023">TS</a>]
01:57:10 ◼ ► He's like six three and three hundred pounds and he's from Hamburg and perfect or some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/7030">TS</a>]
01:57:16 ◼ ► or some like that I forget it somewhere in Germany. And oh my goodness. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/7036">TS</a>]
01:57:22 ◼ ► or wonderful in that is a terrible poll quote going to pay for it later in life that I don't like one of the now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/7042">TS</a>]
01:57:30 ◼ ► committed sausages that little fart makes are excellent and I should just stop talking now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSXROQM/7050">TS</a>]