00:00:00 ◼ ► Well not the right environment. Other people talking you know what's going on. How's overcast going great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/0">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► I talked for two hours about on debug last night. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/10">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► Go there to hear more because I know I want to for our show too much too late so I flooded their show instead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/14">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► And a guy asked me to be on the blog a while ago and I kept delaying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/19">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► and I kept saying oh I'll just wait until I reserve a cast that we talk about and I can promote it and whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/23">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► and I've been putting it off because that was probably back in February that I said that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/29">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► And so putting it off for quite a while. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/32">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► So finally I went and and talked about there for a while with some of the more low level tech stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/35">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► and social stuff like how do you break into the social crowd a break in the business stuff like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/43">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► I'm pretty happy with how turned out so we'll see I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/48">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► when to post it will say I haven't heard all of your overcast Torah so maybe you talked about this already you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/50">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► but I think it's no one has asked What are your conversion numbers like if you want to share that I don't even know off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/58">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► top of my head but they're there they're pretty good I would say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/64">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► I don't even know what percentage would be because I just know like dollars and I don't want to share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/70">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► but they're going to ask just to be a jerk but anyway you're happy with it it's more or less what you expected. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/75">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► Yeah I mean the thing is like it's so early right now that you know because it's all it's only been out now as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/80">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► and so it's still on its launch high you know it's still feature in the App Store I think today was the last day so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/89">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► was featured in the App Store until probably midday today it might be featured somewhere else this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/96">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► but I probably not unless they do two weeks in a row for anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/102">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► and it had all that launch press so I really have no clue what what like the resting point will be like what's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/106">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► what's going to be like the common every day income from it you know it into paper. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/114">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► That number and you know it wouldn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/120">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► It wasn't always the same but you know it would be the same for like a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/121">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► and it was it was always in the same ballpark. It would gradually go down over time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/125">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► If I didn't do much you know with with the app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/131">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► But it was it was pretty predictable for the most part and so I don't know what that level will be for overcast yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/133">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► and I won't know until probably like a month or two from now you know what really what that is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/140">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► I can tell you that I've had something like one of the exact time or something like a hundred thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/147">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► or hundred one hundred sixty thousand downloads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/154">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► and of those a little more than half have actually made a user account and that's an interesting ratio. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/158">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► The problem is again that will be more interesting later like will be more interesting and in a few weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/164">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► or months once all the stuff is settled down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/170">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► I wasn't sure it like you know because the whole thing about needing to create an account to use it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/174">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► That was a decision I made for various reasons that I think aren't from somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/180">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► but they're they're pretty boring reasons but that was a conscious decision. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/183">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► I know I could you know just generate a random idea and use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/187">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► but there were lots of reasons I didn't want to do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/190">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► Mostly involving sync to new devices and people forgetting that they have this account and create and duplicate N.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/194">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► Accounts and that is a support issue and I think a lot of the data. It's a bad scene anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/199">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► So you know roughly a little more than half right now have actually created a user account. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/206">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► I don't know I'm not doing any analytics yet in the afternoon like how many of those people who didn't make the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/210">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► account have even launched the app yet you know like it could just be people download the app that was featured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/217">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► and they haven't even launch a still has a blue dot next to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/222">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► and so on springboard you know it could be many of those it could be people launch the app if you the logon screen it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/224">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► out I want to create an account and then they close the app and never watch it again of the delete it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/231">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► I'm sure it's probably a mix of both. I don't know the ratios are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/235">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► So anyway that's probably something I should put in a Linux in the apps or could know of a decision going forward. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/240">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► But right now Matthew Palmer asked an interesting question in the chat have you been paying close enough attention to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/245">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► when the peak was the peak of just like server activity in general was a few hours into launch day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/254">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► As far as I can tell the being featured in the App Store does not cause a big spike. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/262">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► It causes like a general rise in the whole week because people aren't all checking the App Store at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/268">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► and so that like that that I just like lifted the average for the whole week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/274">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► and I expect next week's average to be substantially lower. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/279">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► But I don't believe I'm not going to really know that again until you know a couple weeks now when I can look back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/283">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► and see see the pattern see the data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/288">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► As far as I can tell not going to need all eight of my web server that I created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/292">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► but I haven't killed any of them yet because I want to do some experiment stuff doesn't matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/296">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► Anything else you'd like to share about over test. I don't know I don't think so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/303">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► I mean I don't want to bore people who already heard me talk about it for about six hours now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/307">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► But I guess if you have any specific questions write it and we'll we'll see if we can answer them but I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/311">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► John any other questions regarding overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/318">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► and know nothing except for like Tech Support question a lot of you know Marco on attitude. Fair enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/321">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► All right so we've heard we've heard something that is possibly follow up possibly not depending on how you classify it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/329">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► and it's been in the show notes for weeks now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/334">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► But we had more important things to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/336">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► and it's about the e-mails that Ed Catmull from Pixar had written long ago that were recently revealed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/339">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► And John I think you're probably most qualified to talk about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/346">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► Do you want to give us kind of the World Wide Web and I was trying to remember and get a link for the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/349">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► It's a passion where we discuss the Apple Google sort of not really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/353">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► Wait fiction but the little agreement they had to not put each others' employees. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/360">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► It was more than just them it was it was a lot of big tech companies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/363">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► Yeah Apple and who are they were the headliners because they're you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/366">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► and they had their emails it was part of a court case that's why we got to see emails from Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/369">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► and we were I was incredulous about the Google sending me emails talking amongst themselves. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/373">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► We want to hire this guy but Steve Jobs might not like it so get his Ok first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/379">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► and then Steve Jobs says No I'd actually rather you not hire this guy and they don't hire him. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/383">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► This story is about a I think the same thing for a courtroom case where that's why we're seeing these internal e-mails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/391">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► and that's why this information is public. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/398">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► This time involving digital special effects companies or some of them anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/400">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► One of the stakes are over the other one it was a Sony was the one who was not playing by the rules it was poaching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/405">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► people from Pixar and Pixar was all cranky about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/410">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► And Catmull is heavily featured both on the witness stand and in these e-mails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/413">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► and the last time we talked about a camel was about his book creativity and which I really liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/417">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► and talked about on the incomparable episode we did just on that topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/422">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► and these e-mails show that he was involved in this wage fixing you know what I call we check some of the best way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/426">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► describe this needs fixing. Waitressing is the result. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/434">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► It's it wasn't quite the action they took but that was definitely the result of the actions they took. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/439">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► Anyway I think the same thing that the other tech companies were involved in all these companies like the heads of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/445">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► these companies are like it's best for all of us involved if we just promise not to poke each other's employees in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/450">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► cold call our people at their desks if you get their number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/456">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► and say hey come work for our company we do a similar thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/458">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► and we'll pay your money just don't do that to each other because it's just a hassle for all of us to have to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/461">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► about these people leaving and so on and so forth and it's the exact same situation with Apple and Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/465">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► and Google and all these other tech companies in that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/470">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► The result is that the marketplace for these people skills is not as competitive as it should be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/474">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► Guys are essentially agreeing not to pay the people what they're worth just to make their lives easier. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/480">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► Head to the companies and as much as I admire Ed camel he's doing the exact same thing here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/485">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► and seeing this both in the case of Steve Jobs who I also admire and camel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/490">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► and takes on his company he just have to think about what is it that makes these people think that this is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/494">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► appropriate thing to do especially a camel makes a point in his book of specifically highlighting instances where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/499">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► did something for the for moral reasons even though you know like not taking advantage of employees not working them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/506">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► death not doing all the strategies that other companies in the tech business do not because it's bad for business not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/513">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► because it's immoral because you'd be exploiting your workers exactly is as immoral I don't think like what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/519">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► what happens to you that you get into a space where you believe you're being you're doing your job well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/526">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► and you're also a good person and these are the decisions you make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/532">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► Do you think you came down from jobs that he maybe didn't want to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/536">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► But Steve Jobs said you have to this is the way it is things like I mean it's kind of a Masters of the universe thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/540">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► And despite all the things I say in creativity Inc And one of the things that Cavil talks about is it's very difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/550">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► to know when this is happening to you so the relevant part of creativity is when they're having these meetings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/555">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► and they want to have these meetings where everyone could have a voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/560">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► and they didn't want there to be said he sort of class structure and they were invited everybody these meetings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/563">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► and you know we're all talking either they were intentionally trying to make it don't feel like you can't speak up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/568">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► because you just got hired a week ago and you know I'm the president of the company everyone's input is important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/573">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► but I forget the details but it was something like that's all well and good but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/577">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► when you came in the room they had like a range seating so the important people got the good seats in a place where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/581">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► everybody could hear them and other people had to be like sitting on the radiator in the corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/586">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► and of course they never felt like they could jump in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/589">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► and they did this for a long time until the executives realized the reason other people aren't jumping is because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/591">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► you know we are the executives and we get the good seats and it makes you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/596">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► We're marginalizing them unconsciously and so they abolish the assigned seating let people sit wherever they want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/600">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► Executives are automatically get the good seats or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/605">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► and you know again creativity is all about you're not going to see that that's happening you're going to think you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/608">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► doing everything in ACT little man and you're not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/612">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► And this seems like an even worse case where he's on the witness stand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/614">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► He doesn't seem you know like he's apologizing for this. He doesn't even seem regretful or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/618">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► He's just sort of stating the facts the way they are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/623">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► When you're running a company like I'm doing a good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/626">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► and I like this kind of churn of employees going from place to place that's bad for everyone's business like we want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/628">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► just you know I'm going to treat my employees well and do right by them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/633">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► But it's no good if these employees keep going to better offer from one place to the other if you know that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/636">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► that's just too much churn and maybe it is inhumane for the people who run these companies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/642">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► But that's not if you're the head of the company it's not your job to dictate the lives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/647">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► and job prospects of the people under you. Right. It's not indentured servitude it's an employment at will. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/651">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► You can fire them never you want they should be able to leave whenever they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/657">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► and you buy illegally colluding with other people in the same industry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/659">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► To say don't give that guy a better opportunity a place else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/663">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► If you read about I'll agree that fewer people would risk people are people we don't have to pay them what they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/666">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► How do you square that circle like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/672">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► and I think it's more like you just you just feel like you're doing what's best for the company you're doing your job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/673">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► well and you're trying to make your people happy like OK. No one is hurt there and you don't see that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/680">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► You're essentially deciding you're controlling people's lives in improper way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/684">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► and I think as you as you move up in the executive ranks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/689">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► and I've seen this in many places to varying degrees you lose touch with the rest of the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/692">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► You start to think you are different people even in the sort of egalitarian company where they don't like having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/696">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► science eating in meetings but most companies are not like that. Most come in like I am big people your little people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/701">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► I make a salary that has more digits than your salary. I drive a nicer car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/706">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► I have a personal assistant I have a secretary. I don't get my own schedule. I get to come and go as I please. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/710">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► You know like all these things just build up this sort of image of yourself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/716">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► That you are different than the other people and even if you're magnanimous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/720">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► and you know you know you like I'm the benevolent dictator you're still the king. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/722">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► But I love my study said treat them well but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/726">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► and it's really difficult to fight against that even apparently even if you read Catmull No no analytical engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/729">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► style brain is apparently enough to completely reverse that although I'm sure there are exceptions I can think probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/735">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► John that would never happen to John Carmack because he has too much energy in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/740">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► and not enough of those things to ever get him into space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/744">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► and I also mentioned to me a story about John Karr Mike doing something similar and I'll trust him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/746">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► but I'm sad to hear about you know my personal hero is making a mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/750">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► and I'm sadder to see that as far as I can tell from you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/755">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► when to stand us the money which may not be representative of his lawyer probably advised him just to just stick to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/757">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► facts that you know your heroes our flaws too and they make mistakes and this is a bad move and it makes me sad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/762">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► You know it reminds me of the episode of Top Gear where James and Mary drives you knew I had to go there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/772">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► and wear jeans major I can tie everything we want to do you've ever so true it's kind of sad but anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/780">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► James drives a coon tosh which is his favorite car when he was you know growing up or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/787">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► and he realized that this is fantasy car was not a piece of crap because you can't get into it can't get out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/793">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► It's impossible to drive impossible to park and it's awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/800">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► and he said you know we kind of wished he had never driven it in the first place because it ruined it for him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/803">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► and I'm not saying that this is a perfect analogy but it reminds me of it nevertheless how I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/809">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► when I finally played a say to Saturn you know the king of terrible analogies kings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/815">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► and terrible announcers I mean like none of that I thought anymore as part of like Steve Jobs is the perfect example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/820">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► anyone who knows anything about Steve Jobs you can marm all you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/825">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► but there are so many terrible stories about him that no one is ever thinking you see jobs as perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/827">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► and parcel of the reputation whereas Catmull reputation is just so much like everything that's bad about other high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/833">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► Not bad about this guy because he's you know he's the you know the nerds in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/840">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► and he's the engineer he's able to not fall victim to all of the things he's not a jerk in the way those guys a joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/844">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► he's soft spoken in a thoughtful and he look at his great book he wrote and look at all these talks he gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/849">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► and although this doesn't take away from all that all that is good just as much as this thing is also bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/853">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► Right and so and you know it just it just goes to show that everyone makes mistakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/858">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► and like the worst thing about it like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/863">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► or does he think like well if if we didn't do this it would have been you know years about the rest later that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/866">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► didn't do this it would have been worse for our employees because of reasons X. Y. and Z. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/871">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► but and You say well the laws against collusion I don't agree with them I think those laws shouldn't be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/874">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► and therefore I'm breaking unjust laws it's not a big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/879">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► but I would hope that in any sort of extended conversation a topic you brought around to the notion that is so clear to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/882">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► all those of us who are the piano workers that this is a terrible thing to do to anybody to collude with other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/888">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► companies to limit the employment opportunities like that's not how you keep your employees by just making sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/894">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► they don't have other job prospects even if you treat them super well which by all accounts they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/899">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► Doesn't matter you don't get to do that you don't get to say because I'm so important not only will I be here not spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/905">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► but we're sort of making sure that you don't have any better prospects elsewhere despite the fact that if we didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/912">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► have this deal you know like Sony who wasn't on Israel's like we'll offer you more money will put you in charge of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/916">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► entire movie called our company and you know employees would leave in it like oh we don't want that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/921">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► Well if you don't want that pay those people more make them happier that's called a competitive marketplace. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/926">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► It's it's disappointing it's sad it makes me angry that this happens to people because you know not that I'm in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/931">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► digital animation field but if if the similar thing was going on you know and I was looking for a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/937">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► or you know not just looking for drugs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/944">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► If I had a job and I knew that some other company wanted me to work for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/946">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► but they had an agreement with my company that they wouldn't vote for me now because I would be too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/949">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► And marketers know what that's like. So tell me about something that's awesome. This week we were sponsored by a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/954">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► Friends once again. Hover hover is in my words to make sure that is actually good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/960">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► There are many do a mega stars that are not good in fact I would say pretty much every other one I've tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/967">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► and I last time I was very certain demands looking to leave the what say the elephant in the room. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/973">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► I got suggestions from all sorts of people about whatever you know whatever a show they use basically is where people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/982">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► ignore him and like when you ask people for recommendations on anything but they just tell you what they use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/988">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► and I tried a lot of them actually and I really didn't like any of them very much and hover was definitely my favorite. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/993">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► It was the one that it was not only the only one I really liked but clearly the best in the bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► and I don't even use most their features honestly because they have all sorts of cool stuff like the basics hover of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► course lets you register to me names you guys know what that is I'm not going to not going to explain it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1015">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► You can raise it remains you can you know get a host I think I don't know if they offer full on web hosting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► and you know all the domain stuff you need D.N.A.'s all the stuff that you think should come with it does come with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► that you have privacy. Who is privacy built in for free for any field that supports it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► Some of them have wi restrictions don't allow anyone to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► but most of them support it covered no charge they have amazing support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► and they have a beautiful interface you know managing the stuff is all they decide whether a face of amazing support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► where not only can you go online of course they have those options but you can even call them on the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► and a human being picks up the phone they have a no hold no wait no transfer phone policy so you call this number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► during business hours and you talk to a human immediately who can actually help you. It's really quite amazing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► They're running a sale right now so we have all these new domain extensions things like you know dot plumbing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► and all this all these all these crazy to me extensions. Now they're running it until until September first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► These are half off. And over time I don't know what sail it but they're on sale. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► I believe there are I believe they're pretty deeply discounted so all these new domain extensions of come out over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► last few months that are mostly useless because a couple of good ones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► All of those are on sale now at However through September first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► or until September first I believe this is a doctor greater than or less than operator and swift for this range here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► So until September first these are on sale. C.M. Learned Swift I told you I would learn it or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► It's a new and learning language guys give me some credit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► I even pay attention when they change the syntax like oh you see I read I read the Internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► So going to head over to hover dot com see the full list of all these Krishna domains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► or you can buy any old ones they're fantastic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► They have also this great value transfer service one of our friend of the show Joel Housman was telling me that he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1134">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► a transfer and I don't know I don't think about to go into all the details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► but he he had to do a pretty large transfer of many domains into hover and he used a valid transfer service for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► and it's a number that I you know I would I would assume that if hover had some asterisk somewhere saying we won't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► Domains I would've assumed this number was above that but they did it and it worked great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► and they did this whole transfer of many domain names from the old record. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► If you choose to you can you basically just give them the log in to your old registrar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► and they will move it all over for you if you don't have to of course you can move it yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► but moving them a name such as you got to make sure you got the D.N.A.'s settings correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► and you know don't drop anything on the floor otherwise than your server goes down for eight hours. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► New things propagate anyway go to hover dot com It's just a regular That's good basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► and that's that's quite a feat in this industry. I use it lots of people use it. Check it out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► Go to use our promo code. New this week promo code. I hate you so much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► Maybe one of the one of the host of the show might say that frequently. I think ever could that be something like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► So go to hover dot com and use promo code. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► I hate you so much and that will get you ten percent off your first purchase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► and tell them that you came from us which we can to sponsor our show make us keep making shows. So everyone's happy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► Thank you very much to hover for sponsoring our show once again. Excellent all right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► So today the day that we're recording this which is probably roughly a week before we release it is the first day of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► the public beta for Yosemite. And I haven't even registered for it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► You should it's cat is kept to a million people here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► but a hurry so I guess I would assume they were all just taken at as soon as they started. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► But I don't know it's been outstanding thing about it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► when I heard there was kept in a million like to a million people really want to run a beta beta app maybe even a beta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► Like I thought you know you got to do the whole installation procedure and it's all different and weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► and I don't think a million people are probably equipped well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► Man I guess maybe they're equipped in terms of having Do you think a million mac users have good enough backups that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► they install the assembly bed and immediately race their entire discreate would be fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► No definitely not but they will make it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► How many I mean what is the base of mac users I don't know I would guess in the maybe around one hundred million range [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► So like one percent of you think about one percent of people I think one percent of mac users might have good backups. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► But with time machine everything eighty millions as a chat room style base of mac users I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► Anyway it seems I mean we know that most of the people who stole this bit are not going to have good backups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► and chances are they'll be fine but like you know people are people their own worst enemies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► and people just like to be daring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► and as with magic kids like I mean I know if I was like yep uninstallers on the family computer right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1315">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► No question I mean like I did with Windows two thousand when that when I came out here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► when I tweeted about this I was like look I don't generally talk about on the show I don't generally recommend people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► install data as a beta means it's not finished means there's going to be bugs have backups blah blah blah the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► It's best if you could do it on a spare machine if not that on a spare hard drive all like all the stuff went of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► oh you're being too conservative or whatever I'm like you know I mean like I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► when I was a kid I would just what I'd done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► But like that's why I kept screwing up our computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► when I was a kid as part of the learning process I don't tell people they can't do it but if someone installs this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► and you know this is going to happen no matter how many disclaimers you give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► and there's some bug that causes data loss they're going to be super pissed like how dare the apple like you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► You know even the version like is always going to be bugs like every piece of software comes with that big giant all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► caps thing that says the software is not useful for any purpose like whatever the hell that text is the you have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► It's like a warrant ability something with disclosure of disclaimer are going to build these with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► and not suitable for any purpose. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► Yeah no matter what you think the software is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► but we're saying nope we do not save the software is good for anything even if even if it directly contradicts what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► on the box. Right like you know if we put on the box the software can add numbers here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► Nope we're not promising anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► If my just erase your disconnect it anyway so you know people just have to use their own conscience and like kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► and adults will make mistakes people will lose data that's life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► But just because Apple releases something publicly doesn't mean it is of the same stability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► but it actually does have a meaning and it means not done yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► So you know go for it use your conscience as your guide so that I mean that's why I thought million is maybe not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► there are a bunch of like as a million people may want to do this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► There's probably a million kids who and saw it on a parent's computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► and have an Apple ID so that there's your million right there. Yeah I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1433">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► The real question is not so much who's going to start and how are they going to go I was going to go for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► but why is that we're doing this. Yeah now that's a very good question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► I would you know I wonder if it has to do with the I.B.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► Thing I wonder if this is about enterprise stuff you know how so like giving like giving enterprises being able to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► and say look we're becoming more open we're now doing public betas to make our stuff a little more palatable purity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► and I don't think of him that I think of arms if he if you remember they did public betas for a ten nine three in ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► nine four and you remember that probably not because most people know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► But they actually did do probably it is August and the ten one three releasement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► and Ivan who cares to have a public bit of a point release because like there's nothing you know it doesn't look any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► different really they probably pick some driver issues of lever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► I don't even install the point releases you know I even though I'm on an active program to get all the emails about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► but this is a public beta of ten one hundred ten and four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► and I was sort of the warm up around for you know the public beta of these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► and I think Apple got good results from the ten wondering to inform is again the debate is like why why bother going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► the public especially with tend not to be really careful like regular non developers download ten one three is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► getting you any information that you're not already getting from developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► and the answer is yes the answer is that different a different class of person use downloads this type of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► and they use it in a different way than developers use it develop really probably using it to test their apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► or to test whether their pet bug is fixed but regular people don't have apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► and they don't have maybe they have pet U.I. Bugs but they don't have like penne A.P.I. Bugs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► Right so they're going to they're going to start and use it like a regular computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► and find things that developers wouldn't find and that's I think why Apple is going with the larger beta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► Yes of course there was there were there were ten public beta as in before ten point zero if anyone remembers way back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► when that you had to pay for the privilege of installing is like thirty bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► or something I think I saw the box sitting off to my right here somewhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► And that was a similar type of thing in that they had had a Developer Preview releases a voice ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► but it was probably some schedule pressure to say is this a real things people can buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► and be having a wider test group is is a good thing so it's good to buy something then it was good about thirty bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► and the knowledge of that it exists and now it's created by this million people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► or whatever the public beta has a public feedback application that it's right in the docket isn't solved all the beta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► read for the show it's a little purple icon right in the dock with a nice looking little app where you can send your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► and I guarantee you they're going to get very very different feedback from people type in little application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► and they would get from developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► and they've made it as easy as possible soon as you launch a public beta throws the feedback in your face explains what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► it is it stays in your doc says quick big giant button click here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► and start typing stuff if you think you've got a suggestion or a problem or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► So I don't think there's any particular downsides to this except for the poor suckers are going down the road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► and then encounter some bug and be sad. But for Apple it seems like all upside. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► I don't think that any reputation that they get from people who download a beta find a bug get said about it is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► to really hurt them especially since they're capping it and especially since those people will probably get over it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► I wonder if one of the big driving factors for this might have been the ten nine O G email issues because that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► was like this massive issue where you know we were mavericks Dato had and even I think that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► and two that the first few average releases had many issues using G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► and that's the kind of bug that you don't tend to find in large numbers among developers because they're usually not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► making it their primary machine like moving into it and bring their e-mail over and everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► Developers who were testing you know just testing out their apps are probably you do a clean install on some external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► drive or some or some different partition and testing their app and that's it. And so and that was a pretty severe and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1672">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► Bug for Apple to fight a lot of people and a lot of you know everyday users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► and it definitely should have gotten caught in the betas but I think that's a weird one because I did put my real G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► Mail account into Apple Mail and that thing as I do with all those ten things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► and the reason I didn't notice this thing is because G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► Mail never has worked for me you know like every time I do it I go to like first latest Triton the default config like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► you said steam Apple now you just do the right thing and it doesn't you know doesn't work right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► I move things they go back to where they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► and things appear in one place not in the other it's not in sync with the Web you while such things then I go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► and say Google do you have any updated advice on how I'm supposed to configure Apple Mail the work thing another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► release different under fault I configured bagels and it still works in crazy ways. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► I think that's not a tenable configuration. I'd never would recommend anybody if you have a G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► Mail account do not use Apple Mail that the only thing that works if you have a G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► Mail can you money that mail it to pop which G. Mail still supports pop your mail that way which is terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1735">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► but at least that works in a understandable consistent fashion so I you know I feel better for the people who have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► problem but I feel worse for these people have been you seem hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► and Apple Mail for years like maybe they sort of got to a steady state where they understood the foibles like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► you know the civil or just don't you know hide all mail from the label for my mouth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► and do all the things you're supposed to like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► Whatever recommended guy that they read this year last year the year before because there have been many many guides of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► how to get Apple Mail to work with G M L First of all those guys are different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► I go back through the years and find a different guides all the guys are different they can't all be right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► Apple Mail may have changed behavior that may be updated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► Eyes but anyway they get something that they sort of understand that works the way I think it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► And yet there were legitimate bugs in here that apparently were worse than they were before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► but there still have to be crazy idiosyncratic behaviors that I mean there was when I was testing it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► If you can't use it is now quiet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► I can't trust that it's going to do what I want and the web interface to G.-Mail when I move something Mark. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1794">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► As Read archive something label it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► or wherever it works it always does what it was supposed to do it never undoes itself there's never any mysteries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► or anything like that. An Apple Mail I never know if it is completely up to date. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► If my actions are going to take place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► when I think rise of the web you will I know the stuff so I think that is kind of a lost cause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► but you're right that if there are complaints about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► Like if suddenly people's existing Gmail Apple Mail set up that they were used to like the set of bugs they're used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► shift to a different set of bugs or add the worst bug people will tell them about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► and they won't miss it so I think that you know if they had done this for mavericks they would have caught that bug as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► well I'm just saying it in the specific case of this bug. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► I don't recommend anybody use Apple Mail with you though not in this release not in any future release until like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► think I think pretty sickly ever because as much as email want to support I'm out I'm out has a different model than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► the G. Mail model and I don't feel you can ever bridge those worlds without some compromises. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► and also from what I understand you know I'm after is a pretty complicated standard And also Apple Mail apparently is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► I'm app client like it takes some liberties like I was playing with a problem earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► and some guys on Twitter told me that he wrote on app server once and dealing with Apple Mail was hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► and I have heard that I've heard that before throughout history from a lot of people I suspect that the Google attitude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► like if some kind of behavior in mail that is not quite doing what kind of spec says is correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► or ideal if something like that is causing issues with G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► Mail Google is exactly the kind of company to say well we're not going to fix up Apple's problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► Well a global does seem like it wants to work with Apple Mail because they do publish the detailed guide to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► screenshots of how to configure Apple Mail to work at G M L Like I think there is an effort there on Google's part to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► make their web service work with Apple's not quite mostly because I think a lot of people who use Macs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► and like to use Apple Mail. You think they use Apple Mail in corporate and Google Yeah there's Macs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1913">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► All over go and I can imagine every single person in the web U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► There and you're not like there's a lot of people who just don't like to use whether you are from L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► I would love to hear from somebody who works google to confirm or deny this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► Well you the way I think that Apple is actually more apt to be like where screw those Google guys G.-Mail doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► really try to map the way it should which is up for debate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► but you know they do that label thing they do all this weirdness into lead is actually archiving screw those Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► guys we're going to do it our way which is the way the spec says we should maybe and it's actually Google's problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► I think that's much more likely than Google being bitter about Apple not handling things right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► I also imagine that Google does not care that much about getting all the details of my map exactly right you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► Yes You know if this is their problem like I mean I said on Twitter a while ago that I suspect a Google map is is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► I really don't think Google gives a crap about I am that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► and that shows throughout history with how bad it's been hasn't just been like client side bugs actually been like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► server failures frequently and stuff like that like Google I map you know and that has always sucked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► and so I have to imagine it's just not a big priority for them because it doesn't serve any of their any of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► and they probably just look down on it like some kind of crappy compatibility layer they have to have for certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► stubborn people who won't use the web at. That's the that's the attitude that I get from them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► They still support pop though in the same way you know like they support pop in the way I support I.E. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► Six but they support pop correctly like a pop is not a complicated protocol. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► They support it why would they still have pop around who in the world who are using POP for their G.-Mail than me by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► the way the reason I use I use pop for G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► Mail and outlook and the reason I do that is that is my backup of all my e-mail you know I pop everything from G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► Mail down and you know just get siphoning to a big bin doesn't you know get filtered after that you know what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► but that is one hundred percent reliable and there's no way I'm ever going to launch my app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► and it's going to synchronize with G.-Mail unduely all and they always are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► and they get confused about the world because of things the prefix is different it's going to be like oh I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► but I've always local files let me just delete them all for years never going to do that with Pop Pop is like it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► and after you get it I don't care what the hell you do with it I'm never going to touch it again unless you delete it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► locally I'm not going to you know so it's just so much simple so much simpler so I hope they never do get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► popular centrally how I have my real time backup of my G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► but yeah I don't know who you are I'm not I don't even know if I'm out as one of those standards where there's like eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► and there's no like official one so you can argue about why I'm complying with the standard is an arse is there an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► or is it just a million different weird implementations caused the Web used to be in the battle days I don't know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► sure I do know it is a very large complicated protocol that can do a lot of things like I no can do calendar sending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► note saying all this crazy stuff that almost no clients actually set out how to use it for notes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► and so I would imagine the kind of thing where like every client supports a different eighty percent of spec. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► Yeah and then Apple Mail does those weird stuff about like where do you want to put the deleted messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► and then I'm happy I like is that am I putting that in a place that also exists in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► or opening in the local one it's like I'm always fighting with Apple Mail to get each account to keep track of its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► where to put my drafts folder of my deleted messages wherever my sent mail in a sane way because it's just so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► confusing which is why I recommend everybody uses e-mail who is not technically inclined should just use the G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► and funnel all their email there because the Juno web interface will never be out of sync you can send to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► and from any kind of account from there and is like the Rosetta Stone of the mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► and I get your punishment is that there was some of the exactly wrong analogy don't send me email. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► But if you're going to Sherman is that you have to use a web U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► and I came to get my own parents to do that so I am unsuccessful in this campaign to try to get my ma. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2154">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► Other insists on using Apple Mail and she insists on having multiple e-mail accounts one is for spam she says. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► Anyway it becomes more complicated much simpler if you don't put the R.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► In a chat room for I'm out they say it's R A C thirty five o one so maybe there is a spec [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► but yeah like like Marco said there was a long history of all this on maps are very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► and the service doesn't end like in G. Mail you're totally right there is no I have a server it is G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► Mail and someone put some sort of I'm out like adapter on front of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► and had to decide OK well what is the closest analogy in the way the GMO works to this operation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► and I'm out I may just have to make choices and it's weird. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► So as riveting as all this email conversation is can we go back to the assembly beta because I have a couple questions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► We are sponsored this week once again by Lynda dot com at L Y N D A dot com Go there slash A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2207">TS</a>]
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00:37:18 ◼ ► They work directly with software companies to get new new new versions and new betas In fact I guarantee you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► when the dot com is definitely working on a new seventy video right now because now that there's a beta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► and then as soon as it is released they'll have videos to support it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► Lynda dot com They have people at the top of their field professionals who work in these fields making these videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► and diagrams everything is very high production value video it's not just like some crap thing you find in You Tube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► or you know some guy yelling in front of a computer. It is way better than that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► I view Lynda dot com videos myself to do things like learn how to better edit pod cast using logic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► Some things with Garage Band you know like I can't play. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2276">TS</a>]
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00:38:23 ◼ ► Twenty five bucks a month that's all it is so I mean really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► Hey I say Sanford seventy trial and see how much you can fit in a week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2307">TS</a>]
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00:38:36 ◼ ► but I I start paying attention to that part so they have a new app at least for i OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2316">TS</a>]
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00:38:58 ◼ ► There's a transcript on the side you can follow on the transcript you can click to a different part of the transcript. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2338">TS</a>]
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00:39:24 ◼ ► Anyway thanks a lot to Lynda dot com on the dot com slash A.T.P. Thank you very much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► Right so I have a couple questions about this year some of the data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► If Apple really wanted to appeal to the enterprise I don't recall which one of the two of you said that wouldn't do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► think there are better levers to pull than just issuing a public beta for example was a new John that it that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► complained and moaned and justifiably about the Cisco V.P.N. Client or whatever V.P.N. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► Client was that didn't work with Mavericks for forever or am I making that up. Still doesn't because I didn't try to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2391">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► Yet they built in Apple built in a bunch of you know capability to work with a lot of common VBN clients using like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► whatever the open protocols are for secure IP and so on and so forth. And for a little while my company used to be P.N. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► but it's basically the fault of the company saying well we can't have that we can't have just built in our support for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► We need to innovate and so we need to make a new protocol of this so it doesn't support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► and then make every install the world's worst software which is like you know V.P.N. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► Software from random and vendors who don't really know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► or care anything about the mac it's gotten better over the I still feel a little be using it to give an example of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► type of thing that really makes no difference but just makes me feel bad about V.P.N. Software when I launch my V.P.N. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► Software it has a little dialog box to the connect button on it that little window that the first window that appears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► appears in just some location like the top of it is jammed up against the menu bar by the right side is like an inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► away like it's an arbitrary position I don't understand how to position a spect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► If I move that window doesn't matter next time a launch apps can be right back to the spot I don't know where it stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► that window location every time it launches I feel like I have to move it. It's taunting me anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► Yeah it's not going to appeal to the enterprises [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► and I don't think this move has to do is a way to do it because it is so clearly focused on the public as in people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► If you've heard both of you to go through the process like sign up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► and go through the process it is so consumer like aimed at a consumer super friendly big giant tech screen shots. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► When you try to sign up for it's like here's what you can do back up your computer you can do it this way you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► the other bit like it's a step by step and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► when you download it it makes you go through another big long list it doesn't even show you the download link so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► can't rush through quick stuff you have to read text and then eventually like it is so consumer focused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► and same thing with installation put in the feedback thing right in your face. This is for regular people now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2514">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► People can do it as well but I see people they would just sign up for a MAC developer account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► and have access to all that have seeds anyway and they would probably be using it more like a developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► and they have specific apps or specific you know things they're testing compatibility with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► but they're not going to install on the person morphine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► and use it every day for their work they really just install it on a test machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► and try out all their supported software and report bugs to whoever is appropriate for the stuff it doesn't work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► Right now that's my point is that a public beta doesn't really help with this moron and V.P.N. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► Company what helps with with enterprise adoption is getting these moronic V.P.N. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► Companies like Cisco that insists on having their own god awful clients to actually support new operating systems I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► just feel like if though if what they're trying to accomplish is enterprise adoption I don't feel like a public beta is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► the right lever to pull to get there. Yeah it was in there. Then we go through the whole thing with the Cisco V.P.N. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► I'm not going to call them ironically as again their software works hasn't crashed hasn't caused kernel cracks unlike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► some other companies Symantec antivirus please kill me. It's just the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► Wise look I think last time I was it more or less that they had an update but sort of a release train [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► and they couldn't get their update to support Mavericks onto the release trainer will be out soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► or they had to get it out on the lawn later you know I think that software like that that is essential. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► Should you know you get a long time to test with the assembly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► Whatever long it's been since June and into the fall like it should be available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► and they want to say something about the O. S. Some bug in the O. S. That Apple has and fix that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► That you told them about an issue is like well we can't go until they fix that bug I don't you know do has a way a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► couple weeks is that a big deal. Not really it's better than not being supported for years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► Again to be an example of that from my passes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► when Oracle didn't have a sixty four bit client library for O S ten for literally years like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► and it was just you know that's just inexcusable neglect Cisco was just behind by a week or two whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2633">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► Great but there's a range of stuff here but the public beta is not even on the radar I think of these I.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► People unless they're worried about their individual employees know about the public beta and trying to install it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► Right and then that's kind of my point is that the public beta may do a lot of things for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► but I don't think it helps with enterprise adoption. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► The other question I had which I don't know the answer to this would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► but where did these what did you call the thing that was on the dock that lets you submit feedback whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► feedback app is what it what is the output of that internal to Apple like oh those radars. What is that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► I bet it's I mean they probably use everything is probably all goes into radar eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► but I'm sure they're tagged as coming from public that in some way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► and a couple other people friend of the show Daniel Jack in a few other people right around to be to be D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► Time were coming on back and forth about well is any real utility in filing radar blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► and this is not exactly a forgive me apples to apples comparison but nevertheless much kind of wonder. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► I just kind of wonder if this is going to radar that sounds just freaking terrible because I got to imagine they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► overwhelmed with radars as layers I hope. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► Well you'd be able to feel like if it is going to read I would only be because that's the only bucket they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► but it's not as if it would be suddenly cluttering up people's in boxes because there's got to be a process whereby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► someone you know there's a first level three eyes of sorting through the giant avalanche of crap because it's coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► through the feedback agent to find anything actionable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► and then throw it off into an engineering bucket like I don't think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► Suddenly after this launches people who would normally troll the radars for bugs have a big flood of stuff has got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► be layers of processes before it because so much of it is going to be like you know someone just put in the chair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► and I think the new Finder icon is ugly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► Well maybe that was not you know not really actionable in the cemetery ten ten zero time frame. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► Right and I mean I think you're right that the smart money says that it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2756">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► If it is radar it's just radar with some sort of tag or whatever indication that it comes from the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► but currently I mean if we thought that that radars were black hole before all of this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► Well I got to imagine going to become an even bigger black hole after. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► But like you said like they're not doing this just for their health. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► They really believe that they're going to get I mean they have been ten one three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► and four found things that they wouldn't of found otherwise for the developer stuff with the developer using it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► really believe that this way this is the only way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► and the best way to get to find the bugs that they're just not finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► when just developers are using it so they're not going to let it just all sit in a bucket the whole point of this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► that they're mean it's you know it's a little like system for gold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► but they're going to sift like they're not just going to let it all set there they're going to set for that gold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► and hope to find like a one or two weird things or someone with an unexpected configuration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► and they're going to look for the big ones crashers data loss kernel panics all all that good stuff. Right right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► And then my final question not because I would actually advocate you giving advice of this capacity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2816">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► but I know we're going to get a million e-mails of already seen quite a few tweets if you were to recommend a backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► strategy that is the minimum viable backup strategy in order to safely install the assembly beta What do you think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► or a time machine back up to a different Dr I think is what you have to protect yourself from is some catastrophic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► So there's a problem the install process like it doesn't even install successfully now you discus unbuildable you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► shouldn't be sad because you just clone that entire disk superduper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► and you just take out the bad disk boot off the super duper disk immediately clone from the super duper just back on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► and you're OK But here is the thing that I could not fit in a tweet that people should understand there is still a risk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► and it seems to work fine for long use if you use it as your main machine that there's some sort of problem like oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► use that for like a week and everything was fine but then there was some kind of bug. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2876">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Thing became unbelievable and I don't know what to do even if you have a super duper backup from a week ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► There's a week's worth of work and maybe just a day's worth of work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► or an hour's worth of work there's always a chance a day lost if you did something somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► and that stuff is not backed up and people can be just as pissed alike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► but I wrote you know two thousand words of an article yesterday. You tell me the two thousand words are gone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► Like uh well you know you just did a back of yesterday should be fine no that was a whole day's worth of work like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► Sort of not in proportion to the amount of data that they lose it's just an emotional thing like all that was super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► important or their restore from backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► and go oh I didn't realize that I was actually writing a draft locally in my email client a draft is gone you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► Or like you you can lose data even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► when you have a back up because if you keep using the computer you're producing new data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► and if you're not backing up everything you produce every second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► and nobody could possibly be backing up stuff every second you get I mean this is a learning lesson I guess maybe we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► should let people go ahead learn learn better about like if there's no such thing as I am instantly backed up all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2936">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► time and I never lose any data. Not yet anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► Like I mean maybe with some crazy redundant realtime synchronous RAID system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► or something you could have some chance of you know zero data loss even that you could you still could end up in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► situation where it's insisting on disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► but it's still meaningless because something was in the middle of doing something on a kernel pack anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► Yeah so to remember a time machine and you're still not entirely protected. You're never entirely protected. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► Even you using a non bedo ass when you're working if something bad happens and the oldest goes corrupt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► or you have a hardware failure you're going to lose everything that happened between your last backup and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► and nobody backs up every three seconds so that's you know that's life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► and half what else is good these days Mark better than not backing up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► It is equal I mean I was typing this month this week. But instead it's a clue and they're pretty cool too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/2994">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► You actually like and I mean so first of all they have some important let me tell you quickly they didn't include this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► Internets are terrible usually theirs is good they have all these great features it's built by people you know who care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► and that's saying a lot for an Internet company. That's that's unusual in that market. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► A Lucent has a it's free for up to ten people who check it out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► Now they have a super exciting release coming this summer called The Unicorn. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► We talked about you know corn on the show before it has a ton of new features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► but the best integrated task management that will change how you stand track with your work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► It was a task can be assigned a different way depending on the work you're doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► So one of the coolest ways to use task is you can create them directly on your content. So why do you need this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► Let's say when requesting updates on a graphic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► or a text correction in a Word document you can create these tasks right on your content so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► and your team stay up to date on what has to be done next and it's all right there in one place. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3055">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► When you're viewing content universe a blog event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► or form topic Insider it will because it will support all those cool things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► These tasks are right there informing everyone of all types have been completed or some need additional work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► You could assign these tasks to yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► or a team you can comment on these tasks you can keep all your changes all in one place and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► when you're the one who's been assigned a task. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► but all your tasks show up in a unified dashboard within your igloo as far as I know they don't have to stay in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► They are all unified dashboard with due date clearly marked making it super simple to manage your day to day work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► and clarify your priorities. Unicorn is a free for all it will customers coming this summer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► Once again igloo is awesome their Internet is free for up to ten people check it out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3100">TS</a>]
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00:51:49 ◼ ► Thank you very much Lou software once again for sponsoring our show they're really good. All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► Anything else on the beta. John you said you installed it so what one has to install it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3114">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► Well I mean I don't have to visit the bill that's one of the first events like we discussed this way back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► when we were first discussing the bit I think was after that and I said well they're going to do betas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► but I'm sure that the developer releases are you know it's going to be a couple of data is like milestone wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► but in between it is going to be dead releases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► and that is the case then the seeds will if you're on the mac developer program they will continue to release seeds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► Yosemite every two weeks or so they're going to have bigger gaps for the beta. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► Mostly because you don't expect regular users to be subject to that kind of churn like regular users don't want to even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► just doing through software update don't update their oh I said with that frequency so the public betas are going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► and in between there there's going to be smaller releases of developer use which means essentially public betas may not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► necessarily correspond to any particular Deb release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► and I believe that is actually the case with the public beta where on developer preview release four I can tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► that to all the pre-release four is different than the public beta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► and developer preview release three I think was also a different build. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► So anyway those are just two different trains all pulling from the same source repository [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► but that is a difference in the program so developers you're not really missing anything by not being in the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► and seeing that experience the reason I'm doing it is not for development reasons on developer for journalistic purposes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► just to see like what it was experience like and what is Apple doing there they have a big fact on the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► and interestingly in the fact I was wondered how they were going to handle this like how do you like come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► and if you want you know if you decide you don't want to know what are they going to tell them like Oh hi try this beta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► I don't like it I want to go back to my old thing that's in the fact it says if you need help returning your mac you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► shipping version of O S ten and we started from a time machine back up which they told you to it too early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► or you can call Apple Care to speak to a support specialist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► or reference online documentation so they're basically saying look if you join this program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► and you decide you want to go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► and you can't figure out how co-op of care I suppose that's something to the same Apple Care rules as everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3234">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► Yet whatever ninety days free after they charge you but I suppose you could also shop at an Apple store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► and say hey I joined this is seventy beta and I don't want any more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► Probably back to mavericks and then a lot of people are going to have a conversation and the person on the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► or the genes are going to say OK so where's your backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► and you're going to go the what's my what I guess is what you guys get paid for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► but the thing that Apple's essentially saying you know we will we're here for you if you want to like if you want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► this really complicated thing anyone about out of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► but really if you just want to wait a little bit longer eventual Yosemite will be a shipping version of worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► and at the final interesting point I want to make is that Apple is explicitly promising that if you get this beta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► and you just continue to run software update you will update right through to the retail version which I tweeted about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► that and people like oh you've always been able to do that like more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► or less most of the time you've been able to it's not a software update to the release version certainly install on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3294">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► but this is the first time that I can recall that Apple is explicitly saying this train of pre release software will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► lead right into the really software. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► It's a completely officially supported is not like you know you can get away with it and it will probably work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► but you might have some weird like POS files left over this is a configuration Apple is supporting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► and that they're going to presumably test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► and make sure it really works of there's no weird left over turds from the pre released old screw with the release one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► so that that is the technical term that some people are afraid of the like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► Some preface file will have changed format that it won't rewrite itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► when you install like the retail version of the O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► So you'll be left with the profile from the last build blast of building every time that launches it'll crash because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► that you know some crappy thing like that that is eminently solvable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► but just never came up in Apple testing because they'd never they didn't really support you taking the last day of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► building and trying to install the retail on. Part of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3357">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► Without like first erasing it or whatever but here they're giving it their blessing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► and saying you'll be fine which I mean they have to do obviously you have to tell these people OK now erase your desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► and you know or restore from your backup and install the retail they just want people to get the beta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► and of keeping software updated that will carry them right through to the release build. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► Well that's convenient I still don't really get the motivation for installing a beta less like on like on my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► when I was a developer for that that made sense. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► I still now I am a developer for the phone and I still haven't sold the I was a beta. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► I keep I keep planning on it on the beta for but I keep having other more important things to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► but like on the mac I would I would never install a beta less on my Mac. I'm like that's where I get my work done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► Well yeah you would if you were trying to hand off the overcast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► No I wouldn't even thought of a megaphone phone unlike a laptop. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► Oh yeah our developers have lots of spare Macs or whatever you like installing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► Most people only have one MAC That is their main value of the whole thing was like That's why I don't think most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► are going to back up so installing a spring in my spare macaroni max three is right of course developers developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► have a million of them and hoarders like me have no hit home or not it is never throw them out or sell them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► but regular people don't act that way so I mean I don't think there's going to be lots and lots of spam X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► or If you know they didn't have spare mags the spare ones are going to be old and I don't like I thought the old one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► or the spare Macs exist for some purpose if the kids computer is ongoing or it's you know it's a MacMini on the T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► or Something like that. There's a server in the house is something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► Usually there's some kind of purpose for people to have multiple computers so fun fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► when I was a kid I don't remember how old I was but like twelve or something like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► Dad brought home a box full of three and a half inch diskettes from work I want to say it was like thirty of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► And sure enough that was the I was to warp beta which I installed from three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► and a half inch disks which took went down and a half and that crap was awesome. Then work was great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3473">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► I miss those days. Me I'm dying wish I think we're the only ones and miss it I miss it. Who ever used. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► Also true that eventually T.M.C. That was it that it. We good things. Oh thank God we're three sponsor this week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► However Linda dot com and igloo and we will see you all next week. Now this show is over the weekend. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► It was accidental accidental John and you are now sitting on the thing itself to that skill list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3509">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► and the did you guys unfolding right into now. No want to do that. Yes you so nice I can listen I still read. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► I have I haven't been testing some new headphones but of course you have a rich person headphone rental service. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► I don't I would think they would have a thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► I got of the whole thing about being a rich person is you don't rent the headphones to just buy them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► Well these headphones require a special amp and to buy them both. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► I'm sure they do like regular amps don't even like the Cell phones are so ridiculous that a regular amp doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► enough power to power them. Once you connect the speaker terminals of a speaker amp. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► My goodness is that the one I read your big heads on poles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► and you said you mention one of the headphones that you didn't that didn't have the power as a new different pair of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► This isn't this is not mentioned that pose this is the paramount in the footer saying I would love to try these on time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► but I don't know I don't know where I could try to find them and then email people email you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► Yeah exactly and so I But you know to buy the headphones and the amp would be like three thousand dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► and for that you pretty much can't try them in person anywhere you know you can't walk into a Best Buy They don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► they don't have things that are the specialize you know because they come with a single directional oxygen free crystal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► enhanced cables are now you know that's a most of that crap is what the after market people in the hobbyist do the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► ones that come stock even on the fanciest cables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► or even the fan his headphones the stock cables are like pretty low on the B.S. Meter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► Like you know the they they're balanced cables which means they're four pins that are three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► and a huge giant axle are plugs Minette that's that's to provide some kind of benefit I'm not quite sure on the on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► rationale there but. So these headphones on a girl I mean come on their amazing. Yeah yeah they're shockingly good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► That's that's that's the gist of it but I don't I'm not crazy about the amp it's giant and the volume knob. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► It's one of these things this is really ridiculous I feel bad for even talking about this rather than a typical pot on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► a volume knob because just like I believe there usually goes like a variable resistor right potentiometer that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► Well headphone nerds don't like regular volume knob pots because they apparently they're imprecise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► and they maybe affect the sound quality somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/3703">TS</a>]
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01:09:00 ◼ ► John do you remember this tweet that you tweeted at men a couple days ago as a new Did you get a Playstation three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► or four so I borrowed a Playstation three and I bought a Playstation three specifically to play journey Lou [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4148">TS</a>]
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01:10:11 ◼ ► So let me start by saying that getting journey on to this Play Station is so fucking annoying that it is a testament to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4211">TS</a>]
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01:10:30 ◼ ► Playstation points so you don't have to give Sony a credit card. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4230">TS</a>]
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01:10:50 ◼ ► Plugging in this Play Station and trying to use it again it's a Playstation three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4250">TS</a>]
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01:11:05 ◼ ► Yeah that's true and it was a first gentleman that's even worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► Yes it was very early on I don't know anything about Playstation three Zor really video games at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4269">TS</a>]
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01:11:35 ◼ ► Well the first problem I had was when I borrowed it from mom and dad they didn't give me controllers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4295">TS</a>]
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01:12:21 ◼ ► Of course I need to do a system update that work. I don't remember something like half an hour an hour fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► So then I need to go to the Playstation Store I assume so I can buy journey time. Go to Play Station Store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► Well you need to do another update. Are you freaking kidding me I just did a system. No you need to do a store update. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► OK well now I have to download the sixty five make update and install it that hook easily and I want to have two hours. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4361">TS</a>]
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01:12:55 ◼ ► I have thirty five thirty five Internet I have no idea what the brain is a bad piece in this chain was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4375">TS</a>]
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01:13:08 ◼ ► Yeah the Playstation three is an update machine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► or three hours after I connect the Playstation to the Internet which I should say before I connected it to the Internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► I did a lot more stuff and was a lot more fiddly than I wanted but it worked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► I plugged in I put a Blu ray in the drive it played it and I was happy but then I connected it to the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4404">TS</a>]
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01:13:47 ◼ ► and such credit card which was my parents' credit card. Well I don't want to do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► No I don't want to do that so it says OK well you can't buy the game again if you had talked to me first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► and told me you're going to tell you you can buy journey out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4437">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► An optical disk and then you were stuck in and the drivers are playing it probably wouldn't at first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► but still it would have had to ask if that would ruin the surprise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4444">TS</a>]
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01:14:19 ◼ ► eventually I give up and ask Erin who is sitting behind me to go ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► and just Google how the after you've change your credit card number in the Play Station one why is that the fallback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► frustration when you just buy it and give your parents fifteen bucks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► OK That was the other thing I didn't mention that I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► but whatever the credit card number was which I called my dad and confirmed was the correct number. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► He indicated that the Play Station would not accept which might have been an expiration date issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► but I couldn't even change that so I didn't know what to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► Eventually I tried to get into or I find that I need to go into like my account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► or dad's account I guess I should say go into its like Account Settings and billing settings. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► Well even though I'm already logged in as my dad and it's happy with that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► When I go to go to the billing settings it says what your password so I enter the password that my dad has given to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► Doesn't accept it. He goes to the Web site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► This is from his house I'm at my house he goes to the Web site enters the exact same password Oh everything works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► magically So we do that whole dance for like half an hour trying to figure out how the crap to get me in to the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► that I can just update my payment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4529">TS</a>]
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01:15:41 ◼ ► So eventually we figured out eventually I can buy journey eventually it downloads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► and I think did so quicker than the damn store update even though journey was like half a gig in the store it was fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► or sixty max by the way is why I recommend forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► and I thought the play journey dedicated to installing it did not play it on the same day that you download. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4555">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► Just take it day like and again this is all happened so this is all happening last night. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► I didn't know if I would have time to do all this tonight I have a serious urgency because I really want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► it today because I figured it would be a little bit of a shorter show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► I am freaking out and also because I'm high strung and ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► but anyway eventually I finally get to the point that I can start journey and I played it and I liked it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► I do not think everyone will switch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► Not yet I've totally recommend staying they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► and the reason I recommend people take a day is not so much because like oh the Playstation always takes a day to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► install anything is because the people I'm tying to play journey if they haven't already played it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► They're probably either not gamers or don't have a Playstation three which means they're going to be to borrow one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► Which is worse when it's like someone else's account and as you were being honored as your dad's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► and measure of someone's account you weren't related to those issues. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4615">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► If you have a Playstation and use it all the time yet still those annoying updates and still frequently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► when you turn around I want to do not date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► but you don't have like seventeen of them queued up like my Playstation three right now is completely up to date with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► and a place to store I go right into the store I buy it everything's all set up I have money in my play there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► Boom boom boom wait for the download refuse to take that long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► and play so the experience for people who haven't used a Playstation three all the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► Still not ideal but it's much better that used to be to give an example way back in the early days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► The Playstation three can even do background downloads so you beast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► Different thing would be paralyzed by downloading something like Oh just like the store was yesterday well that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► more of an update on thing like you just buy a game has like was down on the game I'm going to play something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► and be like nope you're going to sit here and are going to progress bar. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► and Playstation four is even better in that you can start playing the game before it even downloads because one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► big features they tout because they're you know they have learned their lesson essentially all the things you complain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► about on the Playstation three. Every one of those has something address. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► Play Station four to make it not be that terrible. This is STILL have a giant loud fan all the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► Oh the fan is so bad. Yeah I'll handle that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► The fan even on the slim one there and I haven't tried the current model which is the one even smaller than this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► but people say on that one the fan is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► but you can hear the optical drive more originally not a problem with a lot of games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► but like they made it so thin like the sound of the little mechanism is loud. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► You know all these things are are not great noise wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► but I mean the update issues are still a problem in that there are frequent updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► and no matter how smooth you make the update process an hour quickly it downloads if you're doing an O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► Level up that you have to reboot the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► and it's frustrating if those come out more than if those come out more frequently than you play essentially every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► you turn on your Playstation three there will be an update. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► and that's what happened with this one is my my parents definitely use the Playstation as a Blu ray player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► and to my knowledge when it's in their own house it's connected I to be even better there or their wife and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► but they never do things like go to the store for example to buy anything. The Playstation Store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► So you're exactly right that in my case I was set up for a complete and utter pain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► and suffering because they don't do the sorts of things that I was trying to do even early on there was a place just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► for the Blu ray player functionality. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► I mean that sort of settle down and you know you didn't keep adding updates that the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► and general I like I would rather have more frequent small updates than have to wait till I get to our thing every once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► in a while because I don't play the games on it that often these days I don't even use it for its like media streaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► capabilities because I have all sorts of other solutions mostly involving the phonology to do my media streaming I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► and there's an update factored into the time I'm going to play I don't say OK I'm going to dedicate a half an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► and you know I assume is going to be there because the last time I turn the thing on was like you know three weeks ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4786">TS</a>]
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01:19:54 ◼ ► but for example my Tivo I know the new version if you go so far out but the update I keep going you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4794">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► Updates like they roll it out slowly I want the update now so I like software updates. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► This is one of those things that like I think it contributes substantially to game consuls now being so unappealing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► the mass market like so it's like there are to really enjoy a game console. You have to be extremely dedicated to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► This is one of the reasons they've lost casual gaming as like a main market because like if you're a casual gamer the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► experience of using a modern game console sucks way worse than if you don't time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► Well I know but like it's still way better than a P.C. Which is like the you know the it's all a spectrum. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:36 ◼ ► Oh sure but you know compared to like in the olden days if you hadn't any answer Janice's you turn around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4836">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► and you start playing the game and if you can turn on a form of Doesn't matter is just Arthur [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► but the thing is like there's benefits to offset that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► and the benefits are that if you bought an original Playstation three when you first got it it was crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► and it got better over time through software update it could do more things right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► and it was you know like that that is a phenomena when you had your any acid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► and getting new capabilities two years down the line whereas you got your Playstation it did get better over time so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4857">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► What I got I got the memory pack thing for the in sixty four I thought and he asked at the end sixty four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► and that's a hardware upgrade not a software upgrade but like I mean I'm just being silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► and then sixty four had no fans and their controllers didn't get their hands ugly Well that's debatable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► but let me read parts of that here your your thoughts on the game not listening to this section of the after dark if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► you have not played journey because we will spoil the spoil the entire game for you all Journey spoiler conditions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► Marco is allowed to listen because he doesn't care to be seen as wife play both played it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► but if you have not played journey did not listen to this part of the after dark. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► OK So the first impression I have won't let me back up just a smidge I thought it was like some sort of side scroller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► which I'm sure you know I know that I'm glad you thought that I know that's extremely ignorant of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4912">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► but I just really don't care. These sorts of things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► So I lie would lie would rather have you be a great I wish you knew nothing about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► So the first couple of impressions I had while the first thing I wrote down was that the soundtrack was good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► and then by the end of the game I upgraded it to incredible because I thought the soundtrack was on believe that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► can buy an i Tunes It is one of the best soundtracks ever made Haas and wintery is amazing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► It was really incredibly incredibly good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► The second thing I had written down in was basically my second impression was that it was visually very big especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► when you know what it was going to be a side scroller the world in which you play is quite a bit larger than I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► expected it to be and and I really was impressed by that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► The other thing was I was within about five or ten minutes I started seeing other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► and I wasn't I wasn't one hundred percent sure if those were what is it what is the term N.P.C.S. or For actual humans. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4977">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► But the way one or two people I'd seen they behaved in such a way that I I couldn't really tell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► And so most of the game I was having this debate with myself whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► or not they were actual people on the other end of those characters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► And this is despite the fact that you knew that there was a possibility you could see other people in the game. Yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► And so I thought like the background knowledge I had made me think these were actual people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► But I tried to look at it objectively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► and there was at first there was nothing that I saw that convinced me that this was a human being. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► I think people who don't play games a lot have much more faith in computer control players than I don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► anyone who plays video games all the time can immediately distinguish a human from an AI because they are just so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5034">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► No in games. Yeah well you know I mean it's been a long time since I played these sorts of games but in any case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► So I went through I don't know the first I'll call it level which I don't mean that dismissively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► but I went to the first level or two and eventually I got well firstly I realize that this was a puzzle game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► and to me having played Monument Valley before this it felt vaguely similar to Monument Valley although clearly a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► And again I don't mean that to be offensive I apologize to you John if there isn't anyone else that really likes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► but that's what I thought I was you know this kind of Monument Valley there's puzzles there kind of self-explanatory I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► did by the way I really like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► The only sort of tutorial or help was occasionally a little outline or kind of overlay of the controller came up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► and told you to either push or hold something. But anyway after a couple of stages levels what have you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► I ended up kind of going through a level with somebody and I didn't pay close enough attention to see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5095">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► when they spoke if you will if that symbol was the same symbol I saw two or three levels later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► when I was still kind of playing with somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► and what I did find however was that I I really wanted to see where this was going and be cooperative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► and the indication I got from kind of body language for lack of a better description was that this other person also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► and so there were a couple of levels like one where you kind of got an A not to describe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:38 ◼ ► but there was like a center column and you had to go around different pedestals around the outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5138">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► and you had to climb I know I know the level. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► OK And so I don't I don't look at it move on it at one point we kind of got separated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► and I you know I was sad about that and then it occurred to me why am I saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5153">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► Well I think I have no idea who this person is I'm not even one hundred percent convinced it is a person I think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► Your motion ship was activated by motion ship had indeed activated it because your you know it's because your Play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► Station has the Emotion Engine That was a Playstation two. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► Exactly Emma he has the P S two hardware you know that I'm right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► Finally I made a reference that you bombed on her you know I don't buy monitors this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► and it was not the right generation of capital. You were just wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► No I was saying it was because he is known in this fabulous weather has had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► or is that it might have hardware is a part of we never he didn't know you just can't be wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► Act like I finally got you wrong on something. Anyway let's concentrate on the facts here. But you're right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► So anyway so I realized I was kind of sad about it and then eventually like a level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► or two later I wound up being next to another person and it very well could have been a totally different person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5214">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► but again because I wasn't paying close enough attention to the little symbol that that came up when they spoke. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► I told myself this is the same person all my buddies back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► and I was like all excited about it I was really happy again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► and it just after the game was over to occur to me that that is a really peculiar reaction in motional investment I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► from something that I wasn't even unequivocally convinced was indeed a human being. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► Well now you can read my article on here and if you haven't already. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► I don't remember if I have I want to say I have not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► but either way I was I was really taken aback by how emotional I got about trying to get through this with my buddy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► So when when you got to the underground level were you with somebody you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► Yes I believe so but we got separated for a long time and I don't know if we finished together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5268">TS</a>]
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01:27:57 ◼ ► and like companionship becomes more important. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5277">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► and it's like if you're with someone in the early kind of playing around levels then you know that's that's one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► but like Later on I go I could be more important to be with somebody. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► when those like creepy shooter kill you preacher guy things came that scared the piss out of me and I wasn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► I'm still not sure can you like can can you get actually killed by these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► or does it just take away like your ability to fly or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► Now you should also listen to the after dark with Tiff and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► and the what he called the incomparable observer talking returning as we address these very issues that's the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► thing about the game. You don't know there's no life meter There's no heart right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► There's no like well but you're your scarf got smaller right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► but there is no there is no established gameplay mechanic where you are where you're sure can I die can I not die. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► Does one hit kill me if I have you know the only thing you have going for you is like if I fall from a height will I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5335">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► get hurt and they sort of train you on that early on that you sort of flowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► and you have the butterflies of pretty much are not going to die from a fall but everything else is up for grabs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► when something does threaten you the game has not established up front rules that make you confident that you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► much life do I have are you know can I can I get hurt or can I die. OK it was my abilities. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► and I should also go back I forgot to mention I was looking at my notes that developing some sort of like a language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► between you and your body is an odd odd odd experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► and I'm not sure if we really succeeded in developing a you know making air quotes language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► but it was weird like does just saying it like just just just hitting what is that circle to like do a momentary ping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► if you will is that a happy thing is that a sad thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► If I mash on the circle repeatedly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► and so on like blabbering is that happy is that said if I do the hold the circle thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5394">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► Do the like really loud shouty thing is that happy yours. Did you figure out how to sit down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► You probably saw your companion sit down perhaps I want to be fair at how you yourself could sit down at like the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► Now I didn't know that they are like at this point if you see someone in the game chances are good that it's someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► who's played the game multiple times before and they're playing it again and they would know how to do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► That's something you can do one of the one of the you don't have a lot of choices for actions the game that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► move you can press your little circle button you can you know you can sing you can fly you can also sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:33 ◼ ► and just you know sit next to somebody and hang out. I don't know that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5433">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► So anyway so I get to the snow area and again the way they any time I play a game which is rare to begin with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► and discovery is how they teach you to play the game and I feel like Monument Valley is a great example of this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5446">TS</a>]
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01:30:57 ◼ ► and you have to stand behind a little pedestal things that was really neat because it was hard enough that it took me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► second to think about what am I going to do here but it was easy enough that it was pretty quickly obvious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► Oh tell you idiot you have to stand behind these like stone things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► Journey is not a puzzle game where you're going to get stuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► and if you do it like that's why I feel bad like if you get stuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► and you get frustrated like then you're not you're not like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► The game has to meet you at your level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► and journey is at a low enough level where there's not this big expectation of gaming knowledge to get through because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► you don't want to interrupt sort of the flow of the game the point of the game is not like a text adventure like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► know where you're going to be stuck on a super hard puzzle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► and figure out something really obscure to you know like the Hitchhiker's Guide text adventure like the whole point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► I game this game is supposed to you're supposed to be up to flow through it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► and if you get hung up on things that have to do with the game even if it's the puzzles in the games that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:47 ◼ ► interrupting the flight it's not that type of game so I'm glad like that's you're looking for a little bit of challenge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5507">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► but I think more of the challenge should be you know emotional investment in your relationship with this other thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5512">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► Until like they put it up right in front of the beginning of the game they show your big friggin mountain with a light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► and they've got a title it's pretty clear what you're doing in the game like that so they never had to ask you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► when the game started was it clear to you what you were supposed to be doing in the game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► Yes with an asterisk at the end it was clear to me that I wanted to step into the light which made me wonder is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:18 ◼ ► like a post death journey pardon the pun but well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5538">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► but I remember like you know in the beginning of the game you just start the game up like does the title sequence like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► I guess the game is called Journey so you're obviously probably going to be going on a journey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► But other than that do you know where you were going maybe not why but where I figured I was going towards that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► Yes Now right now what I will say though is at the various like checkpoints within a level where you look at a mural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:44 ◼ ► and the like cut scenes where the exposed more of that tapestry looking thing I totally missed the point of all of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5564">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► and was not paying close attention to either of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► That's a shame because they're trying to tell a story I mean that's the thing about well that's what I realized late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5575">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► when I had already missed like two thirds if not three quarters of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► Well I mean not just the tapestries that you find it likely that the cut scenes between levels where they show more in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:08 ◼ ► tapestry style I guess that you mentioned earlier that you know they're just in the very beginning like the control on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5588">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► the screen or whatever to tell you how to play. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► There's no text in this game and you don't notice unless until to point out you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► but there is no text which is great for localization but you're not going to say that the reason they did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► but it's an awesome like extra bonus pool yeah right nothing to localize. But there's no text in the game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► Everything is explained through I mean the note you can't type to people you can only do a little thing with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► The cut things don't have subtitles there's no no one speaks at any point of the murals tell the story through pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► so do the cut scene so does everything in the entire game until the very end and the great sequence right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► and so the one question was other than can you die or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► but the question the biggest question I had was Does everybody die. Yes Why.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► Just like life just like life because everybody dies K.Z. All men are more and that's that's fair. But a great game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5636">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► I mean that's part of that's part of that's part of your journey right. That's kind of you know I mean I did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► Did you feel like you had failed at that point because I think yes I think that I think that is an intentional natural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► feeling because if you are not spoiled and don't know this captain happens you feel like boy haven't gone astray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► or any advantage by the way did you get through the underground part with your scarf interactive did you get you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► didn't I guess we got bitten once or twice but I believe it just took a section of the scarf. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:31 ◼ ► Really Were you trying to hide with your friend with you anywhere you both trying to hide. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5671">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► Together we were trying to hide together for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► and I think we both made it through although I definitely had more scarf than he did at the end of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► but it wasn't very clear to me the correct mechanism to hide I just kind of ran away from a little spotlight anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► in a hope that I was far enough away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► Yeah I mean like what they try to do with the jump scare and the underground level like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5694">TS</a>]
01:34:58 ◼ ► when the thing first comes out they want to establish that you know I mean it's like a little kid that why should I be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5698">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► scared of the things well because they jump they startled you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► That's why I was very scared and they seem menacing it's dark it's scary music or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► and the evasion mechanism is basically run away from the scary thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► Don't worry there is a system as you go back through and play and you can see that they have they're activated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:19 ◼ ► and become aggressive under certain you know like whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5719">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► but like the whole thing is the jump scare a supposed to be like we don't have to explain how this game works do you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► Scary things are scary avoid scary thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► and the two things you have in your head is I'm going to journey I have to get to this place. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:34 ◼ ► Therefore I know which direction I'm traveling in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5734">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► but the levels kind of guide you like look I came from here I'm going to their big scary thing is between me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5736">TS</a>]
01:35:41 ◼ ► and there I have to get there without big scary things seeing me so it's sort of a hide and seek that game right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5741">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► It is not rocket science and they're just trying to sort of at a base level let's let you know what you have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► and let you understand that you want to do that in a way that does not bring you in contact with the thing that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5752">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► So eventually I died and then I followed the light and then I made it to the game and then the big reveal happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► or what I consider to be the big reveal which was a new I don't recall the words that they used you probably do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► But these are the people that you encountered while you were playing the game and there were like five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:16 ◼ ► and that was an aha moment in so far as I realized OK that was definitely a real person that I had some modicum of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5776">TS</a>]
01:36:28 ◼ ► but it was also an aha moment in so far as oh that might not have been my one body that I had that I thought I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5788">TS</a>]
01:36:34 ◼ ► playing with for most of the game that might have been three or four or five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5794">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► or six different people that I was interacting with for most of the game companions met along the way by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:42 ◼ ► and when you see a large number of those frequently frequently it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5802">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► when they first before you sort of team up with somebody chances are good that you caught glimpses of other people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► you didn't team up with and a lot of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► when you see a long list of things is not that it was a different person every single thing is that you encountered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5816">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► many people before you to sort of decided to team up or decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► and that was a thing only way to know for sure is to get looked a little symbols which do vary from game to game in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► Yeah which I realized once I saw that screen and I started to wonder like Have I seen that same symbol or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► but my memory's so crappy that I couldn't remember with certainty whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:23 ◼ ► or not that was the same symbol I had seen on and off for most of the game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5843">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► After you died and the screenwriter whatever to doing the game was over at that point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:33 ◼ ► Yes and it was clear that the game was not over what do you think was going on there. I wasn't really clear like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5853">TS</a>]
01:37:41 ◼ ► So here's the thing. I never had done well in English class or with movies at looking at deep symbolism. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5861">TS</a>]
01:37:47 ◼ ► I'm a very surface level kind of interpreter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5867">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► and I knew that it was like the big white guys right now I don't mean that is a racial statement I mean the white the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► people dressed in white clothing. Did they like kind of save mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5876">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► Shoot me through the tube to like a happy place like this and I don't suppose. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:06 ◼ ► Not this not deep symbolism here and it's not complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5886">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► and they don't think they're like you can understand that I think entirely on a surface emotional level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► or whatever like that it's open to interpretation of what's going on there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► Like I know what I took from it but like how did you put it this way nor who cares like what you think happened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:24 ◼ ► How do you feel after the game continued after you died. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5904">TS</a>]
01:38:29 ◼ ► I'm happy for the most part that I didn't actually fail because I knew for several reasons one I didn't want to admit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5909">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► to you that I didn't make it to the end too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► I didn't know I knew I wouldn't have the time to like play it over and try to do better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:43 ◼ ► But also I felt a little bit just because I was like man what the hell I thought that I was actually dead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5923">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► And now it's like I'm not which is by and large a good thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:52 ◼ ► What the hell does a bit of events where were you with were you with a companion in the snow now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5932">TS</a>]
01:38:58 ◼ ► Not a tap not it in the beginning yes but they eventually they eventually collapse before I did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5938">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► But no but you're with them going up the Big Hill just a day. They collapsed before you did. Correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► And so when you when you got into the after part where they were still with your no no. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5949">TS</a>]
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01:39:18 ◼ ► and came to the end of the game. You're by yourself at that point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5958">TS</a>]
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01:39:36 ◼ ► but it was at this point that I was starting to reflect on what had just happened in the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5976">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► and the other thing I will note is I don't remember if it was before or after death I want to say it was after death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► but there's some point where the screen eventually goes white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:51 ◼ ► and you have to keep walking forward for like a freak an hour and I was I was really confused whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5991">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► or not the game it Hong if I was doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/5997">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► Right Thing if I'm just an impatient jerk or what the crap you're overthinking the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:04 ◼ ► and here are thinking it's all a game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6004">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► and I encourage you to play it again in a more mellow environment it is not a lot of blood pressure so much pressure I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► know how much you think highly of it I wanted to make sure I got everything I want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► Well I know that's the problem with things being hyped up like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► or whatever I mean if they had issues on her for her to play through as well anyway I get it it's never going to be for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:28 ◼ ► and for a lot of other people it just because like it's like if you see a movie you never heard anything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:32 ◼ ► and you love it and then everyone hypes it up for like six weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6032">TS</a>]
01:40:35 ◼ ► and you go see it like it's not going to be the same because you've heard all these people talking about it ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6035">TS</a>]
01:40:38 ◼ ► and had set up your expectations change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6038">TS</a>]
01:40:40 ◼ ► and like versus just being like this is a new game just came out that I let me give it a try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6040">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► and being you having your socks knocked off and even if you play this on day one like as I said to make you go play it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:51 ◼ ► You only get one chance for a first play through of this game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6051">TS</a>]
01:40:55 ◼ ► and if you have a first play through where you either don't meet anybody or meet people who come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6055">TS</a>]
01:41:00 ◼ ► and go like that's a big risk now because by how the game is about for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6060">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► and like you know all those chances are good that people are going to be sort of coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► and going versus trying to play to play through it as someone go who's going to stay with you how well they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► do how how much you're going to bond with them over the gaming experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► and in general how you're going to take the whole thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► I can expect this game to hit people the same way it hit me because the way I played it in the environment I played it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► in and my mindset and just the way I take in games like this is very different than people don't play games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:32 ◼ ► but you were more cerebral definitely playing through this game than I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6092">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► and I think then if you can get yourself to be less cerebral you can have a different experience of the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:42 ◼ ► but you're never going to have another first experience of the game so that this was your first experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6102">TS</a>]
01:41:47 ◼ ► Yeah but I will say I very much like the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6107">TS</a>]
01:41:50 ◼ ► and certainly I was struck by how emotional I got about being friends with my buddy and I and that may sound you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6110">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► It's if a condescending I don't mean it that way at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:02 ◼ ► Like I was really into hanging out with my buddy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6122">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► and I really wanted the two of us as a unit to get through the game together. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:09 ◼ ► And when he or she eventually collapsed in the snow I was pretty sad about it and I was really happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6129">TS</a>]
01:42:16 ◼ ► when I saw that what it was what did you say companions that you met along the way or something like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6136">TS</a>]
01:42:21 ◼ ► When I saw that knew for a fact that that was a person that made me really happy. I definitely really liked the game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6141">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► I feel like the best analogy I can make is that I feel the same way about this in that I did about the movie Inception [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:36 ◼ ► and if you give me a second to explain I saw the whole I don't like that movie I know I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6156">TS</a>]
01:42:40 ◼ ► but no hold on before you jump all over this coffee reminds me of Starbucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6160">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► and what I mean by that is I really like Inception a lot and we can argue another day as to whether or not I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:51 ◼ ► and that's fine but take it as fact that I really like Inception. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6171">TS</a>]
01:42:55 ◼ ► The problem I have with inception was I didn't see it until like a year or so maybe even two years after it came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6175">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► and everyone I knew was like oh my god inception is the best movie ever walks up to the inception of the best movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:08 ◼ ► ever You've gotta see it it's so good and I was coming or whatever guys I don't I don't care. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6188">TS</a>]
01:43:13 ◼ ► And so I actually went into an inception kind of wanting to dislike it which I did not do a journey well despite the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6193">TS</a>]
01:43:20 ◼ ► fact that I wanted to throw the Playstation out the window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6200">TS</a>]
01:43:23 ◼ ► but I wanted to journey just kind of wondering what the hype was about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6203">TS</a>]
01:43:27 ◼ ► and with both of them I knew that they were kind of overhyped. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6207">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► But with both of them at the end I actually really ended up enjoying them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:35 ◼ ► and I enjoyed journey enough that if I happened to come across a couple hours of spare time I probably played again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6215">TS</a>]
01:43:41 ◼ ► just to see see it all over and pay a little closer attention to like the murals or tapestries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6221">TS</a>]
01:43:45 ◼ ► or what have you that I would say if you do it again go into it in a lesser evil mindset. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6225">TS</a>]
01:43:49 ◼ ► Go into it more as a sort of motional sensory experience and worry less about the ciphering the plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6229">TS</a>]
01:43:54 ◼ ► or worry about anything like that because really I mean you've got the whole campaign ship thing like that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6234">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► Big part of this game you got at least fifty percent of the people making this game we're trying to educate the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► part is sort of the journey aspect of it like that you could get just playing by yourself even if there was no other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► players this is other part of the experience that they're hoping to bring you through. But with the campaign thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► Speaking of the mechanics are made out of cared about or picked up like the sitting when you were in the snowy bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:25 ◼ ► and you're kind of scarf was freezing and stuff did you realize that when you touch each other you sort of glow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6265">TS</a>]
01:44:31 ◼ ► and light up and that fights off the cold and it sort of urges you to huddle together over that mechanic not clean now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6271">TS</a>]
01:44:37 ◼ ► No I knew that you glowed when you were near each other but I didn't put two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6277">TS</a>]
01:44:40 ◼ ► and two together in the snow section because that that becomes later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6280">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► when you're going uphill in that you're like if you have established I had had it with your body. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:49 ◼ ► I've now essentially physical closeness of like being a way to ward off the frost which robs you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6289">TS</a>]
01:44:54 ◼ ► or your scar does that eventually laid eats away at your scarf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6294">TS</a>]
01:44:57 ◼ ► and can you know I mean discuss go entirely in the finals no you are right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6297">TS</a>]
01:45:01 ◼ ► but just you know that the whole freezing textures encroaching on your outfit if you stay close to each other you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6301">TS</a>]
01:45:08 ◼ ► when you're going up that final hill with that established pattern you will be huddled up close to each other because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6308">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► that's what you've been doing for the whole snow levels like oh guys really cold we need to huddle together home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:18 ◼ ► together eventually stops working on that hill that's you know eventually just freeze to death and die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6318">TS</a>]
01:45:25 ◼ ► when you have this established sort of closeness type of thing that has been we've been saving each other thus far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:33 ◼ ► and now saving each other isn't working and you have got the same thing with you were separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6333">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► when you saw him go down it's like you felt bad about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:38 ◼ ► but like it you missed out on that flight small part of the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6338">TS</a>]
01:45:41 ◼ ► but it's like yeah I would say you would think this is a game does not reward repeated platers because little surprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6341">TS</a>]
01:45:50 ◼ ► it has to give you like solutions to puzzles or just the game itself or the plot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6350">TS</a>]
01:45:55 ◼ ► It's all true now right you know everything's going to happen and yet as I think to fool a test. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6355">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► It does have a place through value so I would I would give it a try. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:05 ◼ ► Maybe not immediately maybe let it stew for a while I would definitely buy the soundtrack because if I have I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6365">TS</a>]
01:46:10 ◼ ► video game music I like video games on track even if you don't throw a pick one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6370">TS</a>]
01:46:15 ◼ ► or two tracks on the soundtrack thrown into your random i Tunes Next see if you don't mind when they come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6375">TS</a>]
01:46:20 ◼ ► and here are finally my final question about the game and faithfully proud of me. Did you watch the credits. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6380">TS</a>]
01:46:28 ◼ ► Yes I mean they were on but I was talking to Aaron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6388">TS</a>]
01:46:32 ◼ ► and my sister in law who happened to be over at the time not the right environment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6392">TS</a>]
01:46:37 ◼ ► Other people talking you know I mean I had sort of kind of paid attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6397">TS</a>]
01:46:43 ◼ ► but I would not say I read them read them now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6403">TS</a>]
01:46:45 ◼ ► Yeah I do not do if it does I don't watch the credits in theater mostly because I want to get out of the theater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6405">TS</a>]
01:46:51 ◼ ► and it's not like you have to because a stupid scene is the end of the credits which drives me nuts and credit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6411">TS</a>]
01:46:56 ◼ ► and the credit usually aren't that interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6416">TS</a>]
01:46:57 ◼ ► but for video games I always watch the ending credits because videogame credits unless that's just a bunch of words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6417">TS</a>]
01:47:03 ◼ ► going were black but even then I'll see if there's any new and credits in general are not interactive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6423">TS</a>]
01:47:10 ◼ ► but an extension of the game experience. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6430">TS</a>]
01:47:12 ◼ ► So next time you finish turning I mean I encourage you to watch through the entire menu muster because you saw the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6432">TS</a>]
01:47:19 ◼ ► but if you watch the whole I mean it's if you just like the traditional thing is to show you all the places that you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6439">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► been to make you feel like you've accomplished something are going to time is amazingly good at that to show you all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:32 ◼ ► the people you've met all the places you've been the effect you've had on the world journey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6452">TS</a>]
01:47:35 ◼ ► It shows you all the places you've been in reverse order all of them in different environments with other people in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6455">TS</a>]
01:47:41 ◼ ► environment reminding you of the things that you're doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6461">TS</a>]
01:47:44 ◼ ► It's got great music during the credits nicely composed with the text you get to see the names of the handful of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6464">TS</a>]
01:47:49 ◼ ► who made this amazing game and then at the end you get taken pains and along the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6469">TS</a>]
01:47:53 ◼ ► and I transitioned into the menu again. Oh yes start a new journey or whatever you know the one thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6473">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► That I wanted to say that I'd forgotten which occurred to me when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► when you mentioned the credits is that I noticed in what I had been programmed by the late ninety's to think of as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:13 ◼ ► when bridges were forming out of the like big stars for lack a better way of describing them I realized I could still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6493">TS</a>]
01:48:19 ◼ ► jump in move in see my character jumping in moving like you know the Nintendo sixty four era that we're going to cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6499">TS</a>]
01:48:24 ◼ ► scene which was not interactive but by the magic of technology. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6504">TS</a>]
01:48:28 ◼ ► Now you can like still move around while that's going on which I was pretty impressed by that I'm sure for you that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6508">TS</a>]
01:48:33 ◼ ► like completely unremarkable but I was like oh I'll go and press by the larger world and journey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6513">TS</a>]
01:48:40 ◼ ► I mean the same things happened to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6520">TS</a>]
01:48:41 ◼ ► when I had tried the N sixty four because I had not played a console since like the Nintendo Super Nintendo things had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6521">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► If you're impressed by the large open world in Journey rest assured that actual open world games are just WAY bigger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:54 ◼ ► You know so and so yeah I really did like the game I would play it again if I could find a couple hours to do so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6534">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► Sorry Marco for boring you to death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:05 ◼ ► and now the only problem I have is that I need to read basically everything you've ever written on the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6545">TS</a>]
01:49:11 ◼ ► and listen to basically every pod cast you've ever been a part of in order to catch up one short article is like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6551">TS</a>]
01:49:17 ◼ ► pages long it appeared in the magazine it's on my site you can just read it right there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6557">TS</a>]
01:49:21 ◼ ► There's a pod cast which is shorter than the one we're doing right now and then and I love them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6561">TS</a>]
01:49:27 ◼ ► and I think that's about it. Just and then the after dark thing with depth which is even shorter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6567">TS</a>]
01:49:33 ◼ ► So yeah which I'll need to go back to as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6573">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► Q I'm up it's not that long you know in this time I have run an ALTER TABLE sixty three bugs sort of support e-mails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:44 ◼ ► and paid my electric bill. You're welcome. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6584">TS</a>]
01:49:48 ◼ ► So the punishment for not playing journey when you when you were able you were all set to play journey for so long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6588">TS</a>]
01:49:54 ◼ ► and just wouldn't do it. So now you had to listen to several of the conversations about another once but twice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6594">TS</a>]
01:50:00 ◼ ► Actually didn't didn't even listen winter was I guess you couldn't because you know that one's at sea now and K.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6600">TS</a>]
01:50:04 ◼ ► See your reward for doing your homework is John telling you to do it again telling you you have to tell test to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6604">TS</a>]
01:50:12 ◼ ► again but she did and she enjoyed it so there you go making people happy market what are you doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6612">TS</a>]
01:50:21 ◼ ► Yes I think the top rated title not suitable for any purpose is pretty darn good. I do like that one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6621">TS</a>]
01:50:28 ◼ ► Marco you're the want to chase market we need to give your middle course on title casing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6628">TS</a>]
01:50:33 ◼ ► I would say about to make fun of the person who put one is for spam about their inability to Title Case I look to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6633">TS</a>]
01:50:38 ◼ ► right author Marco you know what the title cases I can give you command line scriptable turning out to go to hide OK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6638">TS</a>]
01:50:45 ◼ ► and it'll give you you don't just capitalize every word I know there are confusing rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6645">TS</a>]
01:50:49 ◼ ► but like if you don't know them just run through machine I am aware of that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6649">TS</a>]
01:50:53 ◼ ► However I'm following precedent that we have always capitalized every word for all of our titles. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6653">TS</a>]
01:51:01 ◼ ► If you know the one the dives in the titles that we not only not lately usually see lately it's not it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6661">TS</a>]
01:51:06 ◼ ► precedent as the people establish our style guide to be established early mistakes not just because we didn't read well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6666">TS</a>]
01:51:13 ◼ ► No time like the present to be correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6673">TS</a>]
01:51:17 ◼ ► I also just you know just to do like this that we're going to subtly drive you crazy over time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6677">TS</a>]
01:51:23 ◼ ► You're punishing yourself it's going to be when you go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6683">TS</a>]
01:51:26 ◼ ► and look at the Instapaper one point of screams out so I go God how did I even ship that these titles to be like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6686">TS</a>]
01:51:31 ◼ ► Later in your life you notice who Joe underscore underscore underscore underscore who suggested not suitable for any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6691">TS</a>]
01:51:37 ◼ ► purpose. He didn't capitalize the word for you knows what's up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6697">TS</a>]
01:51:42 ◼ ► That looks weird to me like why isn't any then lower case doesn't make sense Don't argue just follow the rules. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6702">TS</a>]
01:51:49 ◼ ► but the rules about like you supposed to put the period inside the quotes at the end of the U.K. Versus the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSaip4g/6709">TS</a>]