00:00:00 ◼ ► So how does the Six Flags the other day. Hot was it water or not water. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/0">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► I guess not water we went to the water park [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► but I didn't go in the water pry was the pack mule for the man I was carrying carrying a backpack with everyone's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/7">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► you know I'd bring food and the like you know water bottles that we sold in the park [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/15">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► and towels for the lawyer things in it which is fine I was willing to be the pack mule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/21">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► and seven hours just walking around on hot black asphalt it wasn't like it was in the ninety's what it was like super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/27">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► but it doesn't matter is wears you down like I was I was hunting for shade I was like there's a dumpster that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/35">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► Crouch in the shade while my kids wait on this you know to our landing on a roller coaster. Now you would. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/40">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► Oh no you're not a religious person to the emotions like never mind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/47">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► Now Brokaw says I'm not a teacup person teacups of the worst drug work because that is repeated motion the puke your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/49">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► brains out right wrong cause over ninety seconds doesn't matter what you can do to you ninety seconds you're fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/56">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► So the surer you do you like roller coasters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/61">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► I don't like them in general because I feel like I've gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/63">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► and I've experienced everything there is to experience on a roller coaster from a thrill perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/65">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► and how the risk reward ratio is way down and on his ride run by teenager is that where the risk of death someone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/69">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► Experience that I've already had before like it's not anything new that is the most Johnny answer I'm ever heard I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/76">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► he needs the show somehow I don't like my family going on a visit here just when you think they're not well maintained. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/81">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► Six Flags is not Disney and you know actors happen all the time it's like there's a tiny risk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/87">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► but then for the rewards like why am I doing this like it's not you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/92">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► So anyway my kids go on them they can have all the experience that you have I feel I haven't done all that is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/96">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► anything at an amusement park that you are amused but I like the roller coasters I enjoy the ride [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/101">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► and on a good roller coaster but I just always think about like oh I can do is I look at the machinery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/107">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► and I look at the twelve year olds running the thing like it's not. You'll see I mean it was Wendell Adams old enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/112">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► On the things you be like he's like oh I want to go on the road cause you be like really want to go on it because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/120">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► I'VE EVER SEEN the people running it like it's just there's no adult supervision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/127">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► and the maintenance on these things is not great like it's not really that I'm sure I'll feel the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/132">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► and so I could start driving but you know something goes wrong a rollercoaster runs on that or save you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/139">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► Yeah except for like quadruple the redundant systems that are keeping you on the track. Oh there it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/147">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► That's what they tell you you know these are just ancient wreck the best thing was that my kids wanted to go on like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/152">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► that have a row cause they're called the cycle on which is the name they were used as their six legs as a wooden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/157">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► coaster and it was closing July twentieth. So I was there was like four or five days ago or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/162">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► So that's what they were closing their eyes like will be the last one to ride it and look like it was peeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/169">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► and watching the road course to go around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/175">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► and seeing the things swaying been no i go it's supposed to sway invents a wooden coasters do it like no thanks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/177">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► They were going to write it right before everyone decides it's no longer worth maintaining for safety reasons. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/183">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► Exactly and I was like Well today it's fine but tomorrow because I was there is in today and tomorrow exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/187">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► Well anyway we all survived and you know how they're going review. So tired of that experience. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/194">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► Do we want to talk about overcast for a little bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/205">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► Do we have to go I had this one this one that I wanted to answer the question if you want but you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/208">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► and I want to like totally make everyone sick of this. Now you had your moment. You're done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/215">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► Exactly you made me have my moment I wasn't I was going to give it like ten minutes on the on the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/219">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► I know I'll just give you our time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/223">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► All right so there was one thing a writer a listener named John wrote in the same kind of curious if you could talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/226">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► about how weird is that you have to do so much server side work to do a podcast client the reader guide is not to deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/234">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► with this. Stuff is a whole group of web based R.S.S. Processors that people can use for sinking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/239">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► It seems wasteful to each developer has to reinvent the wheel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/243">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► and what they're different cells on usually has nothing to do with the server side work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/247">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► but the client features so what he's asking about is things like how we have to have Google Reader as a big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/251">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► service. Before that everyone just crawled their own feed from their R.S.S. Readers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/257">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► After we were readers deaf we now have things like feed Wrangler and feebly and stuff like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/261">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► and so you don't have to if you want to write a feed reader you don't have to write the whole server side yourself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/268">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► In fact you probably shouldn't write any service write code you should probably just use the sync services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/274">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► and so you know basically why isn't there one of those for pod casts and I think there's a few reasons for that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/278">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► First of all there's I mean I'm sure you could go to underscore David Smith [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/286">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► and say hey I want to make one of these based on feed Wrangler and I'm pretty sure that's possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/290">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► Either is already there or you could just ask him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/297">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► and he'd be like OK sure like I'm pretty sure most of the sync services if they don't already support that wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/299">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► have a problem with you doing that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/305">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► I think I think the bigger question though is I think a stupid question here why do it yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/309">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► and why use a server side model at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/315">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► and I think it was a very questions I mean why do it yourself is a political to lots of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/319">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► and you know the number one answer to that is because I am me and I don't trust anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/324">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► and I don't like their partner tendencies much to a fault. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/329">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► The simple fact is you know when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/333">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► when I make things I make things with the intention of them lasting a long time whether they do or not so the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/334">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► but I want them to last for a long time you know and I look at like when I first started Instapaper in two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/338">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► TIME What if I want to base on some of the service what service would that have been in two thousand eight hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/345">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► And if I would have like you know based the whole thing on the original like Facebook app platforms are things coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/354">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► out around that time. We would that be today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/359">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► You know stuff like that I like the whole you know basing yourself on someone else's entire service. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/361">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► What if your entire business was making Twitter clients this is the route very real thing that's happened to our people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/366">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► in our industry and you know so you know you can say oh one hundred dollars on X. but Over time X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/371">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► Will go away and or or change in a way that makes it impossible for you to keep doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/379">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► and the question is do you plan to still be around at that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/383">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► and something you make now might be around longer than you think I don't think you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/386">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► when I was starting Instapaper in two thousand A Don't think I thought it would still be around in two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/391">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► but I'm sure I'm sure that was not in my mind at the time of I better make decisions now that will last at least seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/399">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► years or whatever you know six years I can't imagine one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/405">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► but so you know you have to if you realize like the ground shifts constantly in this business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/409">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► and if you can find some stable ground to stand on you probably should. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/416">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► And and so that means building mostly your own stuff on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/420">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► I'm just on very like stable long standing boring things that don't shift around things like you know Linux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/426">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► and your own servers like you know things like old languages like P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/433">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► and Python these are all like well established languages like it's a pretty safe bet to write something in Python [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/438">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► and host it on Linux and have the database be posed to all these days it's a pretty safe bet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/445">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► So anyway that's one reason to do it yourself and then the second question is why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/451">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► Why do a server side based infrastructure at all. And there is it isn't a clear win with that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/458">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► It's a design decision basically and but like a technical design decision there's a lot of advantages to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/468">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► There's a lot of this again I guess to it. I chose to do it because I was OK with the decision. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/474">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► She was a disadvantage of course being you have to write the whole thing first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/480">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► and you also have to support servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/484">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► and there's a whole class of problems that you then have to deal with whenever you support a service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/487">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► or website service and that's even if you run it on something like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/493">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► or as Or you can you still have to support all of that in some way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/496">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► Maybe you don't have to support the servers go in and out of a time or these abstract platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/501">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► but you have you still to support like oh well they made a change and all the sudden requiring this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/506">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► or all of Azure is down for the next twenty minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/510">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► and you can't do anything about it like I'm not saying that you know not to pick on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/513">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► and that happens to S three all the time that happens if you two all the time like this that happens to be the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/517">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► cloud services where the entire service has a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/522">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► or like a quarter of it will just go down an Amazon data center will just be unreachable for twenty minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/525">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► and there's nothing you can do about that but it's your problem. It isn't your fault but it's your problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/531">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► And so anyway that's this is a diversion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/538">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► but all of the like any kind of service that you have if you don't go to service you might rely on something like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/541">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► Cloud to do your thinking. Well that's a service like that it's just not yours. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/548">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► You still have all those problems to deal with you just can't do a thing about them anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/553">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► Doing it so all those problems I'm willing to accept. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/558">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► I've done it a lot before I know what's involved in hosting servers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/562">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► It only gets easier with time so you know I was fine doing it eight years ago I'm even more fine doing it now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/565">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► It's even easier and cheaper than ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/572">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► and in the advantages of what is was a do is not only things like have a web where you know the obvious stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/577">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► but things like fix crawling errors without shipping an app update. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/582">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► Like if there were certain a few that wasn't parsing correctly to these crazy mime types one of them use an X.M.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/586">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► Header that left at the M. So it just an X L document and I'm so sick of that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/591">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► There's all sorts of crazy stupid stuff people do and feeds and I've been crowing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/595">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► How I guess feeds for almost a year but they're still like once I had a real user but they were there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/600">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► They added way more feed than what I had and so they're still like new. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/604">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► and I didn't have to ship an app update fix them so how do you handle the one off the exceptions for lack of a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/610">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► word I don't mean like you know a code exception what I mean is well the people in A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/619">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► They don't know how to make an X Mel file so I need to handle specifically the field at this U.R.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/624">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► Differently like you have a series of this if else is a switch statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/630">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► or do you do something a lot more clever than that I would assume the latter use. You assume wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/633">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► So far I'm doing very little about this. So the X.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/640">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► Field I have not fixed yet because that's like I'll get in its face for this problem of what do you do do you special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/644">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► cases do you just have a list of conditions in use do a string in place of a question mark X L version equals one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/651">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► to say that's the right thing like you know what do you do. So far I haven't quite figured it out yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/657">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► What I haven't said most of the problems were people using Crazy wrong content types for the enclosures because one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/662">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► thing I do I don't support video and so I have a I have a white list of these are the content types that I support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/668">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► and I map them all to whether this is generally M P three or M P four format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/675">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► and certain people mark their enclosures as text H.T.M.L. but They're not there like M P three S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/680">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► but They save content type text him now and they expect it to work and so I had to do crap like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/687">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► But for that I just have like you know a list of content types that I accept anyway that just I know aren't videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/694">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► and stuff like that anyway that doesn't matter. So service I let me do stuff like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/699">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► It also lets me do things like keep the app code very simple you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/704">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► and there's all sorts of benefits for things like having to pull a whole bunch of feeds all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/708">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► and then you know use a bunch of data and battery life on your device stuff like that. Fast updates told me that once. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/713">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► For me one of these benefits is like my my apt is I have to know X.M.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/721">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► and How to parse feeds the server can just can crawl everything in all of its crappy condition. Normalize it all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/725">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► Strip out the stuff the app isn't even need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/732">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► and then send the app small normalise Jaison blobs you can decode very easily so it lets me do more work on the server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/735">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► side which means more work in a higher level language that allows you to do things like string processing much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/741">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► easily and has all sorts of built in normalization. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/750">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► Like I have the whole power of icons and so I can get even character sets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/754">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► and solve those kind of problems server side very easily. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/758">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► So it's it's more of a division of labor it's not that the app wouldn't need all this stuff it's still like you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/761">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► put a lot logic somewhere and I've chosen to put much of it on a server where it's easier to update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/769">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► and in some cases easier to write and then I then then the African can focus more on the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/774">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► and Not have to deal with some crazy new fee that's a one off exception here that totally makes sense to me I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/780">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► didn't know if you were going into like some crazy design pattern whose name escapes me where basically each of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/786">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► one offs is perhaps in capsulated in a class and you just run through a series of classes to say this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/792">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► Does this little one off care about this particular feature and you could go totally crazy down that road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/799">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► or you could have like the if else chain from hell and that's a different way of approaching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/804">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► and I was thinking about this earlier today I was curious how you handle that sort of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/808">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► and yes it's the same sort of problem I'm sure you had it Instapaper with really weird Dom parsing trying to find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/813">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► bits you cared about which that you used taxpayer after new for I went through a few things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/819">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► The very first text parser was actually an X.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/827">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► Document and because my previous job in Pittsburgh we did crazy things that I could sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/829">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► and I knew it extremely well and for the purpose of like parsing. Through a Dom and outputting something as a result. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/835">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► It's really good it's a specially suited language for that task. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/842">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► Yeah if you said The past is very good it does things that if you just have like a domino face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/845">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► and programming language like there are certain entire classes of problems for which a cell is just way way easier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/850">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► use and in many cases really fast anyway so yeah it's favor that I did a dumb thing that I did X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/857">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► Past and I ended up with like a big dumb crawling parts of it like it would like to step through the DOM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/865">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► and tag everything with scores and then it would have X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/870">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► Path to do things with special rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/873">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► and so I had a thing where you could like you could say OK for this site this is the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/875">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► Path for the title this is the X. Path for the body you strip anything matching this X. Fat stuff like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/879">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► Obviously it feeds a lot easier. I do I do run through the show notes that are in pod cast feeds. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/885">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► I run those through a bunch of parsing actually to try to normalize them so to do things like like if there isn't a P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/894">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► Tag around the text put one around it you know something just have one little quick don't wanna text as their show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/900">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► notes I put a P. Tag wraps that way it renders the same way the things that use P. Tags do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/906">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► On the client side I also strip out inline style tags and certain like inline javascript things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/910">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► and you know things that just wouldn't mess up or possible security holes on the client side. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/916">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► Strip all that out and normalize stuff or move empty paragraphs or move like the one pixel gifts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/920">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► and then the paragraph around them because it's now empty stuff like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/926">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► Anyway we're talking about if you find yourself writing Alsip chains to handles variations in input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/931">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► and you're not writing a parser you're probably doing something wrong. So the solution is always right you're an X.M.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/938">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► Parser not ours I am saying like if you're doing a parser and you're switching based on the token [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/946">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► but if you put it in this case like it you should never like don't even get to the point where you write in the code if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/950">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► it's a speed do this or that if you do that like especially when you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/956">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► So what you're going to be doing is parsing feeds in the world of feeds is large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/960">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► and the number of special cases is large and probably just do a series of associated with each feed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/965">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► and then you have a series of things that you run in order before you get to the default parser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/974">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► and so then you can reuse like of the text H.T.M.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/979">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► Thing is a common problem one of your things is that one of your rules is fix broken mime types [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/982">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► and another rule is add the em back an X X amount right and so you just apply those rules. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/987">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► when seven hundred feeds have the bad MIME type you can use that one rule to fix all of them if one has the missing M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/994">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► An X.M.L. You just do one moral to that but I'm not out of chain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► Oh yeah of course it's like a sick as he was offering that is like if anyone's listening. Don't do that please. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► I would know I wasn't being serious about that for God's sakes I would definitely do something probably very similar to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► But but I was curious because Mark tends to kind of do the down and dirty approach occasionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► and here he is what you chose especially early on I was thinking of the day thinking about the handling between stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► and like if you have access to I don't know if you do if you can get access to the i Tunes catalogue I suppose you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► could but like green scraping i Tunes or doing whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► but a good exercise for your feed parser would have been I am going to parse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► and normalize every single podcast available items [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► and then you know make sure the results conform to something reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► and then you would have found many many exceptions I just don't know if you have access to that corpus of data we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1052">TS</a>]
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00:18:07 ◼ ► and then if they get rid of pre-orders they ship them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► and they print them in the ship which is great because nobody wants to deal with T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► Shirt sales in other ways like having to like get a bunch of T. Shirts printed with your own money up front. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► Get boxes of a thousand churches to your house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► and then have people like that have to do in order fulfillment for them for yourself you know if you have like a pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► casting my sell T. Shirts it's a pain in the butt nobody want to do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► Cotton bureau is in their words of the Internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► They came out of a group called United pic's workers have a few of their T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► Shirts actually and a desire to help their designers and partners make and sell T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► Shirts in the past they worked with dribble with three B.'s so it must be a good deal already has these are do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► Stephen Rotella see it he's never show about streaming music services. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1130">TS</a>]
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00:19:05 ◼ ► and gimmicks that some sites use to create demand they require only twelve pre-orders which is the minimum necessary to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► cover their costs to print a shirt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► They're brutally honest about what they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► and why as you can see on their blog N.P.R.'s previous work includes tab bots the incomparable real mac Pacific helm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► Nevin Mer gone Buzz Anderson and more great as owners need to shake a stick at all selling T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► Shirts featuring everything from coffee and bacon to sports pop culture and goofy animals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► and I had to go through their stuff and earlier today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► and it's really nice you can tell this is like this is the site that designers like it's very clear from the past with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1177">TS</a>]
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00:19:51 ◼ ► but you donate all proceeds to archive that org And even by the time this is published later this week they will even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► have a can about T. Shirt and come. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1196">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► Soon the cotton Bureau they have coming to us from the incomparable maybe even a by honesty possibly because Matt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1200">TS</a>]
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00:20:16 ◼ ► And they might maybe hint hint possibly have a writer on the line tshirt coming in the future but I cannot confirm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1216">TS</a>]
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00:21:26 ◼ ► Anything else about overcast there a couple other bullets here that I didn't write. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► Well I think Marco should go through the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► Changes he made or is making if you want to talk you talk about them on Twitter anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► and I will talk about your reasoning in more than one hundred forty characters weren't so basically I'm trying to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► the stuff useful to more people besides just me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► and people who want to hear about everything overcast so please forgive me as I try to stumble through generalizes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► be more likable to possibly the work that you the listener are doing anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1313">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► One of the first in that it was I got a few notes and looking over the data a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► but I didn't pay enough attention to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► I'm going to few notes from people saying the font is too small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► and I run everything through an appearance manager class where I set all my default of OK this is the main font name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► and I have all these methods for things like you know the preferred font for first you know because like you know i OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► seven has all this dynamic text so it has like things like preferred fun descriptor for style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► and you can say you know if you I found textile body headline caption one caption too I have an appearance class that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► it accepts the same arguments look at the system then dynamic text setting to get to you it's a good idea for like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► know how big the system thinks this tech should be and then returns to the caller. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► My fonts are based on the system font settings and based on those styles and so I can do things like specify OK it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► when you when you fetch the font style caption to always return the small caps font [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► and the default color for that font should be this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► and here's the size forward based on the system size etc And that's why I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► That's one reason why overcast so easily support damning text because I wrote a script I was having a mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► I also had a master fun adjustment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► and I had set that to negative ones so that any font you know checks through the system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► Mechanism and if the app requested a fourteen point five X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► Return a thirteen point five because I was testing out various fonts a year ago last summer trying to figure out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► my file would be and I was trying to normalize the size between a certain fonts like they kind of look bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► and I'm sure there's official terms for this and you know things like the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► Height stuff like that but I'm not an expert on that kind of stuff but I can tell you certain fonts look better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► or bigger than others and so it's hard to make direct comparison so I like normalize them all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► and so for this fine I settle on negative one being its fair comparison size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► and then design a whole app that way shipped. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► That way everyone saying hey you know what this is kind of the you know this it's a little bit too small. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► You know let me fix this so I increase the font size I want pixel by changing that negative one to a zero. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► Now everything looks better and so that's fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► I realize like it sucks to lose the extra one or two characters on each line a title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► but I realize that the fans were a little too small before and it does look better now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► and it is a little more accessible now anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► Secondarily I replace the skip back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► and skip forward button icons with the standard apple number in the circle with a little back forward symbol kind of on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► the tail of the circle. If you listen to any process I have ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► No actually it's not sure if you listen to Apple's podcast looking control center or even even happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► when the icons on the button didn't even know. Anyway I don't know either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► It does no one no one is that the biggest picas up in the world by far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► I think they do that because I recognize the icon somewhere else but I've seen them. Right exactly so anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► Apple has established a standard icon for Skip back and skip forward by X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► Number of seconds that is different from the double triangles slash double triangles with the bar at the end kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► thing that tape players and CD players did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► and I had been using the double triangle icons on overcast now playing screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► and I decided to change that because a lot of people were confused as to what those did a lot of people were writing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► asking me to add thirty second skip button to the app even though the I've already had that feature they had never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► tapped that button I got tweeted that I was doing tech support for gas are able to afford [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► and I'm as I'm doing the reply I'm like you know this came up during the beta too and you said yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► but the arrows look better and then nobody pursued it. They're right and the arrows do look better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► You're right they do but I mean it's always the but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► Right exactly in the beta you can see five people say hey I can't tell how far back or forward thing is going to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► or I forget or I don't know if it is there and you answer those five ten people. Done and done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► when you release of the app to everybody it becomes clear very quickly that there's more than five people you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► explain this to and so I said I had to explain to some people. So that's that's where I draw the line. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► Yeah I mean I had multiple people tell me that they they had never touched those buttons on the plane tree because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► assumed they would like you know fast forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► or skip to the next track which no one ever wants them honk like overcast actually has no control. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► That means skip to the next track or skip the previous track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► or the horrible annoying behavior of the previous track button in pod cast apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► and usually which normally in most pod cast apps including Apple's I think I think this is the case if you push the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1613">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► previous track button it does what C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► when you put a previous track button which is before it goes to the previous track on the first press it just goes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► beginning of the current track where you lose your position in a pod cast which is horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► and I decided there was no place like control the podcast app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► and so I guess I have those controls anything like if you have a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► but like fast forward fast rewind buttons any kind of integration the headphone click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► or anything that normally triggers a previous track next track action in overcast does the second step buttons instead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► Yeah I noticed today when I was driving around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► and listening to the tail end of the six hour debug epic with the dude from Apple that was on the I was happy team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► whose name escapes me when he weighs anything an otter. Yes Thank you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► when I saw that there were six hours of this I thought to myself this is going to be painful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► and I'm probably not going to listen to any of it. Mike. Yes they're incredible they're definitely worth listening to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► Anyway the point is I hit the little button on my steering wheel to either fast forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► And sure enough as I'm doing that I'm like I hope this doesn't I think it does I think and then it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► and it was wonderful so I don't know if that was a deliberate move on your part I assume so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► but it was a great great great call. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► Yeah like I told you like there there literally is no code in overcast that can respond to a button click with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► track or forward track like there is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► That's doesn't exist because I hate that behavior that you can make an argument for it to the next track I can see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► argument there but the previous track feature I think is awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► and it's the next track thing like I was talking to someone about it I'm not sure if I want to use names so I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► default to NO and you know he was trying to argue for a next track button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► and I can see an argument that like like a show comes on and you know you're in your car you're driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1734">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► or something like that and you don't want you know you can easily play with the controls. The show comes on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► It's not what you want to hear at that moment. So you want to get to the next one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► I get that but the question is if I add something like that where does it go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► I'm not even talking on a screen the screen figure out I'm talking about if you have a headphone clicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► or a car control or control center buttons when you only have like the seat back seat forward Spock's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► or rolls in a control where where is a track where the next track button go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► and you know because I would want to replace the skip forward thirty seconds but it's a very frequently used. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► So where does it go. I don't think there's a good answer to that. And so for now I'm not going to do it. But we'll see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► All right and then finally priority podcasts again was written in the show Notes document I assume that's John. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► Yeah last show we're talking about parity podcast and how I thought that I didn't need to be a thing a separate place. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1793">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► and go to a different place after you've done that to order the part guess that you have to like this parody podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► and I was on the multiparty part has a lot of people don't know what that means as they've been tweeting at me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► doesn't mean that all podcasts of the same party it's not same thing is not selecting any basically So I think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► what's confusing. Liking something is a priority podcast merely means that now this pontiff can be ordered. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► Now you can say this is my number one this is my number two for for upon Kaspar to participate at all in that ordering. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► You must say it is a priority podcast and I'm making quotes of my fingers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► And so I always want all of them to be pirated podcasts because I want to set an order for all of them some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► don't want all of them to be part of that is what one two or three to be party party gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► and the rest of them too I'm assuming they sort by whatever you pick the order like whichever has the newest heralds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► Whereas you know your number one podcast low is be your number one podcast regardless of what new episodes come out in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► your non-party Pod Yes I want to revisit it because the last show we were just talking about the whole concept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► and who would want to party non-party turns out a lot of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► Now I just wanna go back to the root of the problem which is why do I have to go to the sever place to elect things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► be sure to spin the party Parvez and I was trying to think of a U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► What i ways we want is to select the podcasts that are part of a playlist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► and write in that scene around scream rooms like in the podcast be able to sort them out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► and if I don't sort them they stay in sort of the unsorted bin the bottom never do sort them they thing the sort of to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► and there's not really good analogue of that I could think of kind of like the Netflix queue which is kind of like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► know and that's like Steve you they're all parody podcasts where there's like a dividing line with the non parody ones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► It's difficult to come up with the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► For it but I think that would be clearer to people like this concept that we've talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► and forth about I'm not sure how many people understand all the nuances of how I mean I certainly didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► and people tweeting the questions are there all the nuances of how priority a non-party partisan. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1915">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► Which other if you just had one screen that showed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► when you're making a playlist here's all the podcast they can participate in this playlist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► and some of them are sorted by priority and some of them are not and here they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► and you could drag between those two regions in a big list or something I think that would make more sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► and would save me a trip into the separate region for electing. Before I go back to the the region for sorting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► Yeah I mean that's that's a fair idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► There's a big question mark there are still you know how do you do this as you said I mean it's it's a hard problem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► solve. I'm not sure it's a net win. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► Like if it's the current price the current problem is a combination of if you know what you're doing already. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► If you already understand these features then you get kind of annoying to have to go to different places to do to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► this thing you know to add a new show to a pod cast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► Wasn't there making a priority and put it in order to get a priority. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► but the other problem is you know for people who don't already know this feature this you like it might even add more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► complexity to it. I think the current division makes it harder to understand what the app is capable of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► That's what I'm getting at like the feedback I've gotten Twitter's of evils that they're not. People won't discover. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► I think they have a show I think the playlist creation stuff is the most important feature of the application to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► and I think it is not as discoverable as it could be because people don't understand that process go over here like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► these things now they're eligible go over go over the other place an order of them and what that all means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► and the resulting The resulting sort of workflow of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► when podcast come in where do they where they fall on my list of things that I'm playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► and the fact that they can essentially set up almost any reasonable ordering that they want by a combination of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► priority non-party partisan playlists that is powerful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► It's the question is how do we how do you show people that that's possible without some crazy tutorial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► and right now I think a lot of people don't know that they can do that with this after they already have because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► and from the interface because I can't think of any other analogous interface with this elective. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2035">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► Then you go back to a different region with things you like to do are now able to be manipulated in new way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► Oh yeah I mean and the whole concept of playlist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► and overcast is is a challenge for me to sell people on because I hear from so many people who all say I've never used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► playlists before my podcast I don't see the point I don't see why I need to use this and it's hard to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► And in some cases people on the beta said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► and I told them hey you know what here's how I use them I want to try to see if you like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► And every time the person has come back saying oh my God I love this like now use playlist now I get it you know now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► and it's hard for it's hard for people to realize that that's one of the reasons why as soon as you subscribe to at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► least two shows I create your first playlist for you as soon as you need to do another shows where it would matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► I create the all episodes playlist for you server side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► and I could sing to your can you can edit it you can delete it you can do every want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2097">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► but the first time you do that I create that for you to kind of force you to maybe use maybe click on at one time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► see hey what is odd So that sounds convenient. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► And you know I use the word playlist because that's what everyone else uses because that's an i Tunes users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► and people are people are used to the idea of playlist. I would love if a different word would solve this problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► I just don't think a different word would solve this problem of not a playlist of the problem because people think like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► why would I want to manually arraign it sounds like what I used to do if i Pod shuffle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► and the whole the whole idea is like this is a hybrid smart play with regular players [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► and the best of both worlds combined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► and then within the realm of these playlists How do I define it like I use the all episodes playlists like I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► modified it because it's I mean it's very close to what I want minus all the privatization and exclusions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► and stuff that I do and the manual reordering. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► It's just a question of once they understand the playlists are good why what can I do with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► and they get into that setting screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► Which is probably one of the more intimidating setting screens on the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► and then you know understanding how can I get the result that I want because I think like I again I I don't people say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► they only have one or two or three priority projects if we force them to order all of them when they have trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► or you know are there such as are a second class citizen type of show where they never want to bubble up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► I feel like if you told anybody to say rank these all of your pod casts are how much you like them you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► when you get out of the bottom it's weird but I feel like people can do a ranking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► I got I don't even know if you need to reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► but again people have disagreed on that I just I just think that if you force everyone to sort everything they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► have a very similar experience of the current one with a sort of one or two or three and everything else in a bucket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► but either way an interface that makes it clear that you can do one or both of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► or makes it clearer that you can do one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► or both those things would help a lot of people because like you said I think a lot of people think that playlist means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► more work for them when it's the exact opposite it means less that means almost no work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► or means that let the thing do the work for you and all you have to do is want to happen it play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► and it wouldn't go through the park. And exactly the sort of the you want to hear them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► I mean it's like I thought of the word like the word filter or something like that like some other kind of word but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► but again it's overall like I still think playlist is the best word for this feature and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► and the fact that even even after people know playlist you know that they still often are less is using to they never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► have used them in a podcast before I think it was the kind of thing where I'm going to have to do my best. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► You're right that the screen is definitely not intuitive I definitely have something they can improve their. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► No question there but I also I recognize the inherent complexity in this in this concept and these capabilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► and I don't know that there is a way to make it easy enough to do to win over some of these people but I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► and I'll certainly play with it. Right so I want to tell me about some That's cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2270">TS</a>]
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00:40:49 ◼ ► So we should probably briefly touch on the Sapphire i Phone six screen that may not be sapphire at all it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► off the hook. I think it might be. It's possible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► So we talked an episode or two ago about a video that somebody that we weren't familiar with whose name I forgot again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► That's why there's a link in there. So we give you credit this time. Thank you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► It is Marcus Brownlee as they are out of prison. No idea. M.A.R.Q. Yes I'm going with Marcus hopefully I'm right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► He put up a second video which was actually I like the first video but I thought the second one was even better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► and basically he used a little bit of science to explain why the screen is not actually made of pure sapphire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► and I don't know if you guys have any commentary on that will link in the show. No it's but it's worth checking out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► It's it's a few minutes it was really good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► Yeah it was really good I think I think a little bit of science is the correct modifier for the mission however. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► Well so so what he did was basically So in the last video he had he had this this leaked part that was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2513">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► And i Phone six display cover glass and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► and he showed in the first video all these crazy stress test of a taking a knife to it bending it so it was almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► All this crazy stuff and it would not scratch or crack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► or shatter it was just it was just perfect even after bending it in the you it still would not shatter and heat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► and you know the knife testing everything would not scratch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► and so the problem is as we as I've learned another thing most people of learn if they will look into it at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► Pure sapphire crystal is extremely strong but it is not flexible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► That right is a match where you guys have found that that's what my understanding is yes so it was based on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► incredible flexibility of this panel is being shown in the video it made it pretty unlikely it was pure Sapphire. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► There's also some concerns people have brought up who are more familiar with manufacturing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► and stuff like that that all sapphire panel of that size would also be pretty expensive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► And so it makes it less likely not not totally ruled out but it makes it less likely that Apple would use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► and also fire panel. But so so what this guy did Marcus I hope I'm present name right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► But anyway what he did was he he took he took the panel again after reading these you know people saying hey that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► not be sapphire and Sapphire has a very high hardness on the night that that diamond hardness scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► and so he took sand papers of materials that should be able to scratch or not scratch sapphire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► and showed it actually scratched up. I feel bad for the i Phone five S. U. T. I Phone five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► That he actually he took sandpaper to a five because the five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► We know has a non sapphire glass cover on the screen but a sapphire home button cover over the Touch ID home button. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► That's pure sapphire and so he took the same papers to it and showed that you know they would trash the glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► but they would not scratch the sapphire Touch ID cover. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► So and then that same thing would scratch this new leaked part but not quite as much as a scratch the F one five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► So it appears as though the part that he has is not pure sapphire because it scratched more easily than the Touch ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► home button but is much more like the much more strongly against resisting scratches. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► Then the glass currently on the i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► and for the reason I said he was getting a little bit of science this test a couple reasons. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► First the sandpaper he was using. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► I'm not entirely sure that one hundred percent of the particles glued onto that piece of paper are of the material [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► I have no idea where the quality control is on sandpaper things I know that kids who are allergic to nuts can eat food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► that is manufactured in the same factories not which makes me believe that there is a large possibility they could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► part of other than the ones advertised on those pieces of ham paper so right away it's not a particularly controlled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2694">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► test for hardness. You know scientifically speaking. Second the idea that the Touch I.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► Sensor is somehow purer sapphire or a solid sapphire that is the only material that's made out of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► I'm not sure where that's coming from in the way he tested it by kind of digging his finger into the little thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► the sandpaper and trying to scratch it in the other little region. It's not it's better than not testing it at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► But it's not quite the same thing as being able to rub the sandpaper on the giant service of the five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► Because it's kind of down in a little divot and you don't really have enough room to scratch back and forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► and it was hard to tell if he was making any dent at all in that thing there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► The most clear test obviously was the same piece of sand paper five S. Versus this new thing new thing better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► That's what we're missing in the first video because all these impressive things he did with it with it in the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► The question was always all right fine so how would a fire how would an existing i Phone screen Pharaoh's that same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► test maybe it exactly is thirty and what he was basically saying when he talk about the harness. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2756">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► Yeah probably regular i Phone screen probably would have fared just as well because he was using soft metals that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► going to scratch and even glass right away so this was a much better test. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► Still him tell us you know what we want to know is is this really the the i Phone six thing in terms of the pureness a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► or full sapphire whatever as I said I'm passionate was it seemed obvious that if they're going to make something as big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► as or is going to have to be a laminate or use some deposition process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► and if we can't tell which one of the things they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► but like Marco said the idea of it being solid one hundred percent sapphire all the way through would mean it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► much too bright all the things obviously non-parental So it's just a question of how thick is that top layer of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► sapphire or is it just you know atomized and you know heated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► and then deposited on there through some process like sort of coated with ID is it a separate thin layer of sapphire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► that's bonded to it in some way are there multiple sapphire lately you know we have no idea what the manufacturing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► I'm sure if Apple wants to brag about the show as a cool slide and maybe some robots building something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► and some layer sandwich things who knows what they'll say but this video was more informative didn't last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► and I was kind of disappointed to see two we thought about it for a while I mean disappointed to see how easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► sandpaper scratches even the new ones because it wasn't him rubbing that hardness like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► and only one point of it he said unless you have a high quality same paper your pocket you don't to worry about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► well you know one thing that does go in pockets sand you have sand in your pocket and so the idea is like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► This I thought was indestructible I don't have to worry about anything unless there happens to be you know I maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► because I'm from Long Island I just expect us fans don't like calling faggots but I still think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► and they could I have one in my pocket with Santa can even know what's makes them in any way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► I look forward to the day some day of being able to get a caseless i Phone that is basically impervious to scratches in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► any normal condition. Looks much more sturdy than the five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► By a long shot but I was kind of depressed to see how easily you could scratch even a new one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► Step one should be should get an i Phone at all and then you can worry about it scratching as well. Baby steps again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► One six looks like it but I could get one it's conceivable In fact I wish I had one right now for Yosemite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► and after things on this take my wife's five S and upgraded to Iowa State which I've still still not done yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► You want you want to get better right now whether you will get one. I'm a bet no. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► So yes I think like fifty fifty you want to bet I don't I'm going to bet it went by betting on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► Why would first of all why would anyone take a bet with me when I control the outcome. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► Because you don't control the outcome. Your neurosis does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► No no that's not not accurate the amount of money I will bet you for nothing just just betting to be right I will bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► that you won't get it. Oh I don't know hands I will say I think I'm going to go on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► I'm going to abstain from them and now it's just all right well we'll find out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2936">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► I mean we also don't know what the product looks like this point you don't even know whether you're getting the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► giant one of the regular ones so we have to just wait to see what's what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► I'd also go back to the video for Just for a second. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► I still maintain that we don't actually know whether any Sapphire is involved with this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► and all this could be another type of material you know so maybe something new from Corning you know the maker of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► Gorilla Glass Maybe it's like you don't know this well so they could have some sort of mass spectrometer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► or something to to actually tell you what elements are on the same leg. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► If you know I want to go for Dr growing on this like I have the technology we can actually find out what exactly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► the screen is made out of if we cared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► but you know it's just people doing bending stuff on You Tube The only thing that we know that people are basing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► on is that Apple has built this giant sapphire plant in Arizona right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► or vested in it whatever they've done they're involved in a big sapphire plant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► but that might not be for this that might be for more Touch ID sensors they might be for a potential I watch cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► or something like that that could be first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► Many other things besides the i Phone cover glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► and so I really don't think that we can assume yet I don't think there's enough information to assume that Sapphire is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► being involved at the screen and all that is it is a bit early. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3010">TS</a>]
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00:52:07 ◼ ► So last week when Marco was so selfish about the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► and refused to move along from overcast there was some actually legitimate news about Apple and I.B.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► and We didn't get a chance to talk about that last week we should probably talk about it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► and so what happened was Apple and I.B.M. Announced a partnership to I guess. So I.B.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► Is going to kind of sell in push Apple stuff in the enterprise is that what's a better summary of this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► You got it all right. So so a lot of people were scratching their heads on this one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► And for me it was particularly interesting because my dad just retired from I.B.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► After a long long time just a few weeks ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► And unfortunately even after pushing he either didn't have any insider information he could share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3173">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► or refused to if he did have it. But this is certainly an interesting partnership and interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► I don't require hundreds of a couple of companies that have been kind of flirting with each other on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► and off for forever I don't know. John what did you think about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► So in past shows and past podcasts I talk a lot about Enterprise entanglements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► and how you know you're honest I guess are a defined enterprise software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► or software where the person by who buys it is not the person who uses it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► So the people make are motivated to satisfy the buyer of the new user and that's why the software is crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► and enterprise in tandem is about a company starts deriving a lot of its profits or revenues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► or both from serving the enterprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► and then it becomes beholden to the small number of people who determine whether software is satisfactory to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► and private enterprise rather than the large number of consumers who might buy a product you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► So it is worse to be beholden to a small number of companies and to a small number of power people in those companies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3233">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► If your products worse and then you get tied to them like you know it's a golden handcuffs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► That's where you get most your money on this happened to Microsoft lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► Some companies immediately just go completely off the deep end on this like S.A.P.'s Oracle that's all they do is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► you know that they don't sign a contract for less than five figures and you know you want them to be six seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► or eight figures most of the time and they have a huge sales force that goes out there to sell these contracts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► and the software they make is terrible and everyone hates it but they say it like that's the worst case scenario. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► So Apple's at the farther end of the spectrum in Iran to do the stupid enterprises they don't want to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► companies like that they don't want their software is to get worse that they don't want their their agenda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► or their product the features that they need to do to be dictated to a small number of people anywhere except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► inside the company obviously And so for all this time where we talk about Apple do this thing with the i Pods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► and they're pressing computers all this time it's like wow Apple doesn't want to get into that business for you so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► Exchange servers and there was a brief Dowling's with the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► Serve and was ten server that as mail servers and stuff like that but their heart was never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► and they were never willing to do enterprises want they want service contracts that example have value added resellers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► but then they have their own official channels they have their business layers on like you could tell that Apple's is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► never willing to do what it takes to serve the enterprise and talk to anybody does I.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► In a big companies like my you know my customers my users essentially the employees of the company want Apple hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► but it's such a pain in the ass to support and Apple's tools aren't that great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► and getting anything from Apple the pain and depending on what reseller you go through he goes directly you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► and Apple does what it has to do if the Enterprise develops doesn't like highways three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► or whatever it was to integrate with Exchange servers and to be better with with the Enterprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► and they have Enterprise after plan for their app stores like they do it's not a do nothing it's not like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► but in general their reputation in the enterprise is not good that other companies do more for the enterprise than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► Apple and it's always been a thing well tough luck. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3356">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► Didn't doesn't want its company to be reshaped by contact with the enterprise because contact direct contact with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► Enterprise will reshape the company and so we're just kind of of this impasse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► Apple doesn't want take this business Microsoft currently has the business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► but it's not an interesting business to be in like nobody even Google's kind like half hearted Well there's Google Apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► You could use that instead of office and exchange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► and like nobody wants that business is a crappy business like you know except Oracle and I say be in sales force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► and Microsoft and Apple isn't going to take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► and so we've been languishing in this place this weird place where nobody wants blackberries anymore everyone hates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► but that's what we all use because no one is saying oh I want to take that business from Microsoft I want to pervert my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► company to the needs of enterprise I.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► It's just it's poisonous if you like if you like companies like Apple and don't like companies like Oracle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► As every right thinking person should. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► So this deal is basically Apple finally the important thing here is Apple is my only thing I will take that business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3414">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► but we don't want to touch it directly like it's now it's too big it's like you know there's nothing we should just let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► Microsoft have this business by default it shouldn't just go to Oracle and I.B.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► and Say why did they just get it by default. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► It's a big business the people who work at these companies want to use our products. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► We're not willing to do what it takes directly to to change our company to be an enterprise company. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► But now we are saying we're raising your hand saying all right we're going to go after that business. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► So no longer do all the companies get it by default because Apple is just no good at this and they've kept I.B.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► At their lucky partner to say we're not going to touch directly you touch directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► but we're going to sic you on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► and say Go get them go make every single company you know make them happy to use our products right. You sell them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► You have the sales force out there doing the last thing you do all those icky enterprise deals they can play. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3475">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► You make the special and you know applications so they can integrate i Pads with their business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► and do all this other stuff or whatever. We don't want to do that and so when that when the customers complained I.B.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► That you know sort of the relationship between ita inventor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► but I feel like well you know we don't control apple does that their O.S.'s like I will tell them we'll tell them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► don't like it when they upgrade too fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► and screw over yours will tell them that you want them to keep making the i Pad two forever like whatever you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► but like well what can we do they're not you know it's not us they're Apple right. And so I.B.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► and I've you know of course gets you know gets the money off the top of that they get more business because now they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► are I think is that exclusive relationship there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► They're the exclusive gateway into the enterprise for all of Apple's stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► I'm not quite sure how this deal works in terms of the existing value added resellers of Apple stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► and existing in a retail chain in his relationship or ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► but theoretically at the time of like the press release announcing it looks very much like Apple is now finally saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3532">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► that it wants in on the enterprise business in the way it is found to do it without ruining its own you know running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► the company Re everything's good about the company is having a go between do all the dirty work for them or you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► You do realize that there is a Apple sales force directly targeting enterprise right now you know yeah you can I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► it's better than it was before like they will sell you know they'll build your volume just announce it like this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► whole enterprise enterprise outscored think they'll do the service you know to bring your stuff into that used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► the bring your stuff to the Apple store to give X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► Now they have you know their But the more you get into business like they're sort of dipping your toe in all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► things and going Well Apple has that level kind of has that but they're not really good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► They're not really engaged in in the way these other companies are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► and so your choices were become engaged in it make this a big part of your business get serious about the enterprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► or don't do that have someone else do that for you and can and that sort of lets Apple continue to be Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► and be sort of wild and fancy free and run with flowers and tear through the fields. So well I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3595">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► I V M S to be they're signing these contracts and doing the support stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► and writing the custom applications for the big companies and I guess what I've been doing anyway right. So I.B.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► Is more than happy to take this business. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► If it works it is a very clever solution to get some of that money that has been going to these companies with quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► unquote worse products for just decades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► and without you know without it changing what Apple is without changing all the good things that are good about Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► for consumers and stuff so I don't know if that can work it just does adding a buffer make it make it OK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► or is there more to it that is it that Apple will always be defeated by the companies that are actually willing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► to do what enterprises want directly and maybe I.B.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► Will not be able to convince people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► or not be able to do enough on its own to make Apple more palatable to the enterprise like the Pastor Hagee was what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► does make your stuff so good that ID can be taught to choke down whatever we do will do a little bit to support them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3655">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► But we're never going to do with it other companies do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► What I don't understand is I don't see how this can really make a big difference until the support strategy changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► And I'm looking at the press release and it says and I'm quoting mobile service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► and support Apple Care for enterprise will provide I.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► and end users with twenty four seven assistance from Apple's award winning customer support group with onsite service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► and I can tell you that I work in pretty small firms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► and most of the reason that I've ever heard for us to buy Dells which all the companies I've ever worked for almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► exclusively generally favor Dells over anything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► and the reason was the primary reason was either that they were very cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► or if something breaks the next business day there is a Dell repair service person operative whatever hinting office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► replacing what's broken or just handing us a new computer. And without that. End of just immediate service. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3715">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► I don't know if this will ever really take off. Well as nobody has read that I.B.M. Source to provide I.B.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► Provides onsite service because like that's exactly the type of thing that Apple as a company is not equipped to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► provide that for all of the enterprise there is not built that way. But I.B.M. Is built that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► They'll send a guy that's what our human has is guys to send right and that's the that's what I'm kind of asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► and we don't know the answer was a semi rhetorical question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► but until this apple care for Enterprise gets more concretely defined I don't know if I really see this making a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► difference unless it really is doing all the things that these Dell you know Tiger Team people come in and do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► But yeah I mean again we're at the press release stage so we have nothing concrete to go on here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► but at the press release that it's like I.B.M. Is not unfamiliar with doing all the things you said the Dell did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► Like that idea is exactly that kind of company for this type of stuff as just I would have to assume the whole point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3773">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► Is going to do all those things that all the things that Apple either wouldn't do or wouldn't do as enthusiastically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► or wouldn't give the same guarantees about an I.B.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► Will make the you know the contract that you signed and specify exactly what this stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► and let you pay through the nose so that you can get a laptop repaired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► or replaced with one business days notice if that's part of your service contract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► or whatever like all these enterprise things that I mean because it takes so much to do that so much hand-holding so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► much salesmanship so most relationship dealing with a relationship with these big companies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► That's just not Apple's forte that's not what the company is built around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► and having some else do it for you goes a long way towards making it possible you still left with the problem of OK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► well what about service and support an O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► and all of the stuff that Apple general paternally apps to busy running for we can't we can't look back I don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► what we're breaking we're just running forward as fast as we can because that's how we win the race in the consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► space and ultimately where we were and everything. So this is probably not going to slow our. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3835">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► All down from that race but at least only someone left holding the bag and it's I.B.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► Having to apologize rabble explain things and I.B.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► Perhaps to bend over backwards and make things better for the people who are having problems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► All right well scum Marco you don't have any thoughts about the enterprise. Nope not at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► I think I think going to be a good time for me to give everyone a break for me. Fair enough. Anything else going on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► We don't. There is a real time follow up on sand. Oh OK thanks a lot to earth response. I mean cotton Biro back please. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► And Squarespace. And we will see you next week. Now this show is over. It was accidental accidental. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► John thank you for sitting on the learn from this sister that can live with a veil have all been saying one of the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3892">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► throes of my have my own sense Tory that they had told before this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► When I brought my aluminum powerboat key for to an Apple store to the Genius Bar and they guy slit it like two inches. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3951">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► Across the Genius Bar to himself and there was one grain of sand underneath that laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► and went just some was talking about sand is mostly made of softer materials like it doesn't take much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► It takes one grain of sand in the wrong place right in the wrong way to make a little scratch nobody cares about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► but that the worst thing that can happen like my Abah Thunderball display I've been back to the Apple store three times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► to fix various problems and is now fully functional but those three trips to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► and from the Apple Store have the scars on it and the people that have left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► or are super careful compared to people like Best Buy right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► But they're not as careful as I would be careful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► and even I would accidentally damage it eventually as just you know big heavy things being manipulated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► Aluminum is not as hard as Sapphire let's just say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► and a scratch like that no one will take you seriously if you explain that it has a few as well you can barely see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4015">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► but I mean I maybe made Maggie's friends and do you care the laptops get stretched. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► Oh absolutely I used to care a lot more I mean like my first mac was a parable for aluminum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► and I sold it after about three years of using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► and it looked brand new like if it didn't have the keyboard marks on the screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► Like so many of them did because I read early on that if you put it like in a back pack facing out vs facing in then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► wouldn't get the marks of the screen wasn't because squeezed in that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► and in the even like I had I didn't have a dedicated laptop bag I just had like a backpack that was just like a general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► and so I kind of fashioned this big felt pocket that I like in sort of this be like still sleeve into one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► pockets and made that a dedicated laptop pocket and only ever had this big thick black felt it with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► and so this thing was pristine it was per And even when I was using it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4075">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► It was usually tended to keyboard mouse or monitor so the keyboard wasn't even worn away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► or all greased up like it looked brand new when I sold it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► Since then though I've I've only used laptops for like travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► and stuff which is happening more now as I'm you know an adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► and keep doing family stuff so now my machines don't stay that pristine and it kind of makes me upset. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► They're still very good. I would say they are still far away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► Like you know the top one percent tile of condition for for age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► but that doesn't mean much these days because people I see something ridiculous like that it's not like that's what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► worth about like a thing I don't monitor it's supposed to just be sitting on a desk in theory it comes to your house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► you unpack it it's perfect at that point you hope you put it on your desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► and then never touch it again it's a monitor maybe you touch it to adjust the angle every once in a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► but in general it's like a desktop monitor it's not going anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► and so to have that that big heavy thing makes three trips to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► and from the back of an Apple store it's inevitably going to come out with little nicks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4136">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► and scratches that you won't see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► No no one will see them no no they're there you just look at the picture on the screen right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► but I know that I know where they are to just you just try to forget it could be worse it could be like the bad old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► days of the apple twenty to twenty two inch Cinema Display with a big clear two little feet and dead pixels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► and then you know that's just like yeah I still remember that tickles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► or I could point to them right now on my screen at one point it's also it's not great to live with the current Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► The IMAX I think assume its less of the same thing where the construction is such that like with yours they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► probably working on like the logic board that has like little peripherals and stuff plugged into it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► They weren't like working on the panel but like if you're working on my mac the way you work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► and I could you take the screen off like you suck the glass off of the suction cups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► and then you like you lift the whole screen out to get to the inside. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► That's how you get into these things and so the chances of you putting that screen back exactly right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4193">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► Now when a scratch but leaving no dust anywhere and like no dust getting between the layers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► and getting in there like there's the chances of that goal and purposely are pretty remote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► I think Apple stores have special rigs just solely for that purpose to vacuum out blow out any dust because I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► and every single time those glasses come off every single time they've separated the glass from the like you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► get at the inside they weren't touching that part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► but you know there could have been dust every single time every time I got it back I would dread looking it in things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► They have not done that but the little nicks on the aluminum thing like I mean these are really tiny. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► That again people think you're crazy for saying you even noticed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► but you know if you're if you're the type of person you have to put it on your mind then pictures like what you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► out there's nothing you can do about it you're not going to complain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► and say I want to new thing because you put his microscopic neck on it right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► It kind of reminds me of the worst experience I have like this is when I was a kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► and I had my mac SE thirty which was my favorite mac ever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4256">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► when I first got it the power supply had a whine like a high pitched whine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► You know I don't know if it was a transformer or whatever it was that was causing the noise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► But I remember I was coming off a plus at that point which has no fans in it as a great machine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► One twenty five twelve an A plus didn't have fans in them the SE thirty five pretty sure had a fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► but also that the power supply one was the dominant noise and it had a fan I have to look it up anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► and it was loud enough that I complained about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► and we brought it back to not an Apple store because they didn't exist to our Apple retail store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► and said hey this thing makes a high pitch why noise and everyone at the App Store claimed they could not hear it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► and the thing is I believe them because when you get older you lose like the high frequencies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► You're right you know and so they probably couldn't hear it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► but here I am like whining to my parents in that people like this think Trust me I know you can hear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4313">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► But I can because I'm twelve years old and had two really annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► and I just could you just replace the power supply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► and just they never did anything about it we took a different place which is also taking a different Apple store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► They did replace the power supply and it was silent and I was happy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► But for awhile I was like as I was being gaslighted like I was going insane like no one else can hear this noise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► but you can hear it in my computer's on it was it was a mix of no one else can even see you insist that they are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► and further you insist this is the problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► Well that's one of the benefits of getting used car because you know the B.M.W. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► I bought used and it had a couple of very very very minor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► and that has some amount of freedom associated with it because the car's already been making air quotes tainted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► and so if something appears it's it well OK it's already been nicked here and Nick they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► and it's not the end of the earth and that's actually been to some degree a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4376">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► and a little bit of a nicer experience now with that said I still parked in the furthest most corner of the parking lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► like a jerk but at least I do it in only one spot away until you have kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► and you get chocolate ground into your seats like I just found when I clean my car this weekend. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► I got new car like I was also kind of putting off getting a new car until after the kids were out of like big car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► backseat destroying car seats right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► They don't like the little booster seats that you know they just raise you up to the left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► but he called the shoulder harness doesn't go across your neck right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► And those don't strap in and it's like Oh this should be no problem here but food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► and other crap finds its way between the little booster and your actual seat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► and they get the ground into the fabric some They're trying to get that stuff out this weekend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► and then of course then put in their muddy dirty feet all over the back of your of the front seat of your car kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► could destroy cars is no way around it so if you have that to look forward to yeah I'm looking forward to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► I mean the good news is I mean Mikey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► It is like two point two five ish right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► and you know he still was old enough to destroy the car he can't reach the back of your seat is not kicking you in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► back while you're driving it right he still real he still rear facing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► but he could be getting to the point where he's kicking the seat back not your seat back together while he's able to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► that but we don't notice and I have this like cover over it so you know it's no big deal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► Yeah the covers those covers are expensive and I almost got them several times sort of like fifteen bucks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► Well like the big fancy ones like you buy I like the big branded ones like the B.M.W. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► or the hundred branded for what you don't get those little full back seat cover well there goes my brother has one like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► they the full they're fitted to your car they're super thick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► but I'm just always worried about something it caught between the cover and the seat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► and then that's just like you know recipe for disaster goes to John things are rubbing it again grinding it into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► actual fabric the bra problem yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► Without a tan lines all you people get talents not to to bring out how much you get into the cabin of the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4495">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► It's not optional it's mandatory but that's fine because you know a problem I sort of anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► Well see I actually like to have both like I was able to sort by most recent so I can troll through the most recent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► ones. Yeah and vote them up as like as the show goes on otherwise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► Now we have a rich get richer problem I can make a like so hard to tensioner Chrome extension that just throws the J. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:26 ◼ ► Crew data tables at this table and gives some sort of how he's done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4526">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► If one library sort of all you know worst like the arrows though I thought you might like the arrows of that I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► this on was I going to put them in a circle around to wreck something from you know your name for a skinny little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► button my personal opinion was that what the carry on the thing I'd say it's like moving to magic empathy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► I'm going to I'm going to make these damn errors like seventy two. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4556">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► New points why he's going to have the clicker is not bad the cougar is not the with of the Arrow it's a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► wider but if you if you highlighted the quick area when the little cursor went over anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► and there was a line up with the numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► or less lines that of Caroline So like the one in thirteen is right above the age an eight whereas the age of eighty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► three only from for the complaint about I posted in the chat room in the beginning when I first loaded the page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► and there was no titles on it the the headings votes title author time said it was like titles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► but I don't often time like it was a sentence because they were all scores together I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► and then there was no man with them anyway. U.I. Is hard. I'm fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► Must have some sort of client side issue because occasionally the two tables kind of decide to mate with each. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► Right now I have I have links in the titles table that kind of I don't know why they keep happening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► If you refresh the page it'll straighten itself out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► but I will definitely work on a fatal crash very first of all set up a bit. Stop it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4615">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► You had your moment you're done that was kind of funny about it like that only with a good title. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► If you do that when you can use a semicolon of the title I don't like silicone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► Well you can use a comma comma splices is Hauser a moving around of the sort with misheard. IOW what do you want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► You only get to pick one. Now I know you have both you can have sorting and you just have manual refresh. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► That's really what these Web sockets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► Now it's no longer a feel you've eliminated the whole point music website it's in the first place so I judge they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► accused of setting out a preference that's what everyone tells me to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► Just had a setting for everything in the a pause button to pause a bit and then resume them later. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► You gotta figure out which of those things you want. I like it's always the but that is pretty good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► Actually I do like that one I don't remember that was that I thought you said you did say it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► but I remember a lot of what I say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► So we do the chat room records of four of them after me for my e-mail account for the listeners paying attention to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► what I say in different pod casts is currently one hundred twenty three unread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► but I answered about two hundred of them today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► So I had crossed two thousand there's a couple of people on Twitter really tracking the order in which every quarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► the various products as I've been on as I keep saying like oh I have three hundred messages in the know I have not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► heard of a message isn't the number keeps going up that time over him you're never answering answering any of them I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► I mean the fact is they're coming in fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► and I mean from them like my my my strategy was rather then spend like three days just answering email. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► I would instead read many of them read all Twitter and fix as many problems I possibly could by shipping update. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► Like so actually writing the update testing the update and shipping the update to Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► and then start tackling the email inbox so I can then tell people rather than I'm working on this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► I can actually tell people I fix this you know and actually give them useful news and update isn't out yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► but I can only say I fix this in the update that submitted to Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► and should be out soon like some people I meet will say that so I have a whole bunch of tech spender shortcuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► and I'm going to the email now and some people get text pandered some people get a custom thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► Support person and yeah I know I'm I'm bring on support person but I wanted to get through the initial batch myself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► I don't do it that time terms learning is keep but I am to give over the hands. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► Ever ever I don't want to while you hit send. Didn't the animals free ride it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► How did you know you have you been watching a halt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► and catch fire whatever the hell that thing is called You know you don't talk about I know I was talking about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► show looked terrible to me. It's amazing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► I've no I've never I've not seen a single frame of it in any capacity and I've heard it's great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► I've seen all the ads and I was like I know the show is about I know a lot of this history from reading it in books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► and they'll make it sound like it's like oh well the actual story is not enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► and they're probably right Dexter isn't enough unless you're a nerd. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► and it's like no that's not that is not what computer work is like that's not what engineering is like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► That's not what's exciting about it. Parable what isn't the story of Compaq a clean room cloning the I.B.M. P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► Oh yeah there's T.V. Show movie. Yeah it's like a series or mini series. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► It's supposed to be like in the Mad Men vein of like oh it's a period piece is right in the reverse engineering thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► that I mean it was dramatic and technically interesting it changed the industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► but not in a way that anyone that regular people would be interested in so they have to make it all exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► and the nerds are super good looking and exciting and it's dramatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4853">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► and everything happening in the dark instead of just like these pudgy you know pale losers with acne poring over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4856">TS</a>]
01:21:03 ◼ ► technical manuals and programming because they don't want to see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4863">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► but that's how it is actually done I don't want another sausage is actually made. Look I'm Val is actually pretty good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► Now it is not. I finally want to I really enjoyed it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► It is not well first of all we can all agree that is not representative of anything related to technology second. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► but it's I think it's funny in a Mike Judge kind of way the way you make fun of Silicon Valley I think is really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► Yeah but it's making fun of it's making fun of a caricature of Silicon Valley doesn't exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► when there's plenty of legitimate things you can make fun of from the real Silicon Valley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► and that's what I like I think Beavis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► and Butthead was funny I think King of the hill is failure to pick two more Mike Judge properties this is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► funny but he obviously was more incisive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► I would say this is like between Idiocracy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► and like a like a king of the hill in it it is it is a social commentary on this part of our culture. No question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4911">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► And a pretty good one at that yes it is exaggerated and ridiculous but it is a pretty good social commentary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► and it's also pretty funny I don't know if the total exclusion of human females is supposed to be a commentary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► or just accidental. I believe that's intentional. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► It's hard to top of the case when it is there on a woman for two seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► but I'm pretty sure that's intentional as a commentary. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► That's I think it's pretty clear I'm just disappointed because you couldn't show there was a lot farther [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:27 ◼ ► and a lot funnier than actually actually made fun of the way things really are because like they started with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4947">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► and they say in this character you're funny let's make fun of the caricature is like well yeah it's like a straw man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► Nothing is ridiculous ever existed so of course easy to make fun of something that ridiculous the reality has plenty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► things that are ridiculous about it as well but I guess and nuanced ways that people wouldn't understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► or you know like you probably can't base a lot of the stuff on real on real people for various legal reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► and I also think that my judge doesn't really know anything about computers which is a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4977">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► but like it's not he's not this is not his thing is he's been a media person for ages he knows a lot about being a jerk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► you know teenage boys abuse and but it was really knows a lot about people in Texas. He's from Texas. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► Right so that worked out and he may work as a pro for a little while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► but adult lives essentially been said been making television programs so I think he does not like office spaces is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► and the job the use of office space was I mean I think all the spaces good it didn't go too far over the top like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► lumbered with a little bit over the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:38 ◼ ► but everything else about it just like the office environment like it was a male didn't you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5018">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► So the other the holographic tube in the crazy headquarters they really have that is more over the top a space with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► actual cubicle office building right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► And there's enough ridiculous about an actual cubicle office building it here out of you don't need to make it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► impressive than it actually is. Should be an incomparable Toba sort of like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5034">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► You could be the lone voice of dissent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► I was some people so I think this is now still watching and I'm letting them pile twenty vocational washing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► and it's only eight episodes in my twenty minute walk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► I never like I want are never on so I'm not engaged in the story so to speak so if I just want a couple of gags here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► It's just like my judges other shows where it's not the best show in the world but it's a good show and it's funny. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:23 ◼ ► Like if you if you if you take it you know take everything with a grain of salt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5063">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► and if you look at it not as something that's trying to be accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► but some it's trying to be funny that's difficult for me with tech shows like that I like hoping catch fire again a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► It's also getting better we used to like if I knew something about like the advertising business maybe Mad Men would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► bother me a lot more than it does right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► but I don't so that bother me is my whatever whatever liberties are taking with the advertising that is I'm willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► accept whereas any time you touch a topic that anytime you touch tech Basically it's like there's not a good history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► or accurate isn't a chanson especially like the older I question the I do find tech industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5096">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► and I think a show that did tech write would be interesting but only to me obviously. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► If I was what should you be watching if this one is funnier than Silicon Valley and shorter and more interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► Sure than a twenty minute episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► and I guess of the same length so I just I think with reviewing to get through an episode of it I think the present [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► hours and Showtime or H.B.O. All right but the kid so I'll talk to Thursday. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► Yeah editing schedule tomorrow I am going to the lake. Oh now they're tough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► and I don't it's like there's like thirty times Instagram from like yeah actually two I'm going to leave because I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► my back up royally and our friend up there is a massage therapist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTQ6u8k/5148">TS</a>]
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