00:00:00 ◼ ► Let me start by saying that I have started work on the show by title ordering but it is not done [TS]
00:00:07 ◼ ► and I apologize for that. There was a poll request someone send you the code to do it. [TS]
00:00:14 ◼ ► but I'm a little opinionated about how I want to done so I'm going to give it the college try. [TS]
00:00:28 ◼ ► and if I can do it in basically the one time I sit down to do it then I'll take a poll request [TS]
00:00:41 ◼ ► Then remember that integration and putting your changes throughout is that's probably the better approach [TS]
00:00:46 ◼ ► but that's all right so nothing really happened this week so let's start with follow up. [TS]
00:01:09 ◼ ► when we were talking about what would cause someone to switch to android from an i Phone [TS]
00:01:27 ◼ ► Can kind of slow down your phone and make the response time to everything a lot less quick [TS]
00:01:34 ◼ ► and that's maybe why people switch. And so somebody wrote in I don't have who it was but some you wrote in. [TS]
00:01:39 ◼ ► Many people have noted the perceived slowdown in older phones could likely be purchasing an old phone. [TS]
00:01:45 ◼ ► For example buying a four S. Today which is still on store at Apple dot com Actually I think I wrote that. [TS]
00:01:52 ◼ ► The point being that you can still get a four S. Today and I would say it is presumably coming out in September. [TS]
00:02:00 ◼ ► Member in probably isn't going to run to the forest because I believe it is supported is that right. [TS]
00:02:05 ◼ ► The forest is supported on a that's correct for all the eighty five devices are supported on eight which is injuring [TS]
00:02:11 ◼ ► two there's a lot of them like if they cut off the a fire device that they cut off the original i Pad Mini which is [TS]
00:02:18 ◼ ► Exactly so there's a lot of older devices being sold that are still going to be supported [TS]
00:02:27 ◼ ► and something that would perhaps drive you away from Apple because here you get this perhaps not. [TS]
00:02:32 ◼ ► Amazing experience here what if this was your first i Phone or first smartphone when you buy a forest today [TS]
00:02:41 ◼ ► and then in a couple of months you see that I will say it is available you go an updated nods and runs like crap. [TS]
00:02:51 ◼ ► We talked about that investors who are talking about why the heck that the i Pad two was around so long they might stop [TS]
00:03:03 ◼ ► and another one of my hobby horses is not putting enough RAM in things especially when you can upgrade it. [TS]
00:03:13 ◼ ► and brand satisfaction level to skimp on RAM Even though it helps your margins because some people will say oh I was [TS]
00:03:21 ◼ ► and if the minimum is not a reasonable amount like if you just setting someone up for is a much much better nowadays of [TS]
00:03:27 ◼ ► Thought I was spinning disk was just torture to get a mac with the minimum amount of RAM [TS]
00:03:34 ◼ ► and All the apps need way more ram of the thing was always swapping especially with like fifty four hundred rpm laptop [TS]
00:03:43 ◼ ► when we talked about this the whole having it upgrade it slows down your thing I don't think any of us thought that wasn't [TS]
00:03:50 ◼ ► a phenomenon that happens I mean with it we've all actually own devices that we've either decided not to upgrade to [TS]
00:03:55 ◼ ► Iowa seven or regretted upgrading to Highway seven and all way back I mean I remember oh my. [TS]
00:04:00 ◼ ► One of my original i Pod Touches I think I didn't want to upgrade to for something and then eventually I gave in [TS]
00:04:06 ◼ ► and regretted it. Like this is a thing that happens if you keep if you keep devices long enough. [TS]
00:04:14 ◼ ► but a follow up the I guess the first one is that if you buy a device that will sell you something that they probably [TS]
00:04:23 ◼ ► And when it was so clearly long in the tooth or you end up with a current non Retina i Pad Mini [TS]
00:04:32 ◼ ► when she should have been like that's Apple's fault for selling those things and the customer gets it [TS]
00:04:38 ◼ ► and they get a bad experience sometimes this is a bad experience for the box right. [TS]
00:04:43 ◼ ► But the the idea that the solution to that is to try another vendor in some sense make sense if you're if you you know [TS]
00:04:53 ◼ ► or you bought an apple think it sucks you try a different one right. But for tech savvy people they are. [TS]
00:05:04 ◼ ► but for different reason tech savvy people are going to do it for the airline reason we're like it's a vindictive area [TS]
00:05:09 ◼ ► like well I bought this thing. I was satisfied with it and used it for a while I upgraded it. [TS]
00:05:18 ◼ ► My solution is for my next phone for my next tablet or whatever I'm going to buy from a different vendor [TS]
00:05:24 ◼ ► and that can very quickly turn into you know I just I just hate Apple not buying their stuff anymore [TS]
00:05:32 ◼ ► and enjoyed Apple products for a while is the next time they buy you know buy a higher end Apple products spend more [TS]
00:05:39 ◼ ► money on the travel would love the spend more money rather than actually to work well again it's Apple's fault for [TS]
00:05:43 ◼ ► selling these old devices to long examples fault for allowing the upgrades to go on them when they don't perform well. [TS]
00:06:06 ◼ ► Yes they get the satisfaction of saying well now I'm not going to buy Apple stuff anymore but it's like really. [TS]
00:06:10 ◼ ► You'd be super satisfied with an i Phone five S. For your next phone right so if you say you had a four S. [TS]
00:06:18 ◼ ► If you really love drive on for all that's life except for this last part which again totally Apple's fault for putting [TS]
00:06:25 ◼ ► It's like you know cutting off your nose to spite your face by saying well the next song I get is an Android phone [TS]
00:06:29 ◼ ► because that probably won't be a satisfactory experience especially if someone has a stylus or whatever. [TS]
00:06:34 ◼ ► So that's one angle on this that the whole idea of just I'm angry I'm going to get revenge at Apple [TS]
00:06:46 ◼ ► and others why I recommend people don't get an Apple device if the only one you can afford is the cheapest one they saw [TS]
00:06:53 ◼ ► Like it's true of you know it was like a thousand dollar IMAX it's like fifteen percent less expensive [TS]
00:07:02 ◼ ► and you know if you can't get the expensive one you actually are probably better off with something else [TS]
00:07:15 ◼ ► and software sort of catches up to the baseline of what the what people want to do with the O. S. [TS]
00:07:22 ◼ ► If you think about the early history of US ten where it was just super slow for two years a design was years [TS]
00:07:28 ◼ ► and years it felt gross it felt like molasses it was really slows compositing on the C.P.U. [TS]
00:07:36 ◼ ► when the resizing all the event handling just it was just slow it was crappy at a certain point the cheapest mac you [TS]
00:07:52 ◼ ► It will scroll a page OK and that sounds stupid but we went through years very concerned roll [TS]
00:08:00 ◼ ► Think Iowa's devices are very close to getting to the point where no matter what piece of crap you buy from Apple [TS]
00:08:06 ◼ ► you'll be able to score through a web page OK at a little web page OK It won't like no no as upgrade will will screw [TS]
00:08:12 ◼ ► them in the way that Iowa State is probably able to screw the lowest supported device today we're getting very close to [TS]
00:08:18 ◼ ► that tipping point where the hardware is good enough for the basics to work or not there yet though [TS]
00:08:24 ◼ ► and I think this is a painful period and the beginning of i OS like forget it you know the I O. S. [TS]
00:08:33 ◼ ► Came out you didn't want to look at those old devices anymore you could not go back [TS]
00:08:36 ◼ ► but you do eventually hit some minimum threshold of like you know on the mac menus work [TS]
00:08:41 ◼ ► when the resizing works scrolling works you can watch applications that waiting a year [TS]
00:08:52 ◼ ► and we're not quite there yet so I'm hoping that this time period where Apple keeps doing the strategy of selling [TS]
00:08:57 ◼ ► devices for a long time giving giving them a lowest upgrade for a long time will eventually work out for them [TS]
00:09:04 ◼ ► when the cheapest device they're selling meets the minimum threshold required for just the basics to not be awful I [TS]
00:09:11 ◼ ► think certain generations age better than others to like it in the case of the I O. S. [TS]
00:09:16 ◼ ► Devices where you'll have you'll have basically the old model being kept around for you know two years [TS]
00:09:21 ◼ ► or so certain certain chips and models have a lot more headroom in them than others [TS]
00:09:29 ◼ ► and so like you know the original i Pad was not kept around because it did not have a lot of headroom had way too [TS]
00:09:34 ◼ ► little ram the A five with the i Pad two at the time had tons of headroom which is why they are still selling eighty [TS]
00:09:46 ◼ ► You know sir and you know the reason I've had many you know for an i Pad These days it's kind of sluggish [TS]
00:09:51 ◼ ► but it still works. So that's why they can still sell it. But you know running i OS seven on the. [TS]
00:10:05 ◼ ► and a seven especially a seven really has a lot of headroom in it so like the current the current five C. [TS]
00:10:23 ◼ ► Internals from the i Phone five with the A six I would guess those stick around for a couple years [TS]
00:10:28 ◼ ► and it really won't be that bad. The RAM problem is going to be an issue for even for the seven devices like the C.P.U. [TS]
00:10:35 ◼ ► Apple's been so stingy with RAM they've done multiple generations without bumping the you know the Rams technique [TS]
00:10:41 ◼ ► and that is going to hurt it much sooner than like you know you're not going to top out the A seven doing basic stuff [TS]
00:10:53 ◼ ► and forth scrolling them responding to tap invents doing doing all the basic things you need that we're just talking [TS]
00:10:59 ◼ ► but if applications start using more memory because the applications become more sophisticated that a seven is not going [TS]
00:11:07 ◼ ► and you can't fit things around you play one game in a booth at all your safari tabs [TS]
00:11:10 ◼ ► and it's all sorts of you know so that's that's why I say we're getting close to to the threshold [TS]
00:11:15 ◼ ► but we're not there yet so I would think even even the most expensive fancy as I was device you can get today has still [TS]
00:11:20 ◼ ► not meet that met the minimum threshold of you can keep a device for like five years [TS]
00:11:24 ◼ ► and it will still be basically competent whereas I mean I'm sitting next to a Mac. [TS]
00:11:32 ◼ ► and Macin two thousand eight hundred photos shop I run lots of applications Granted I have created the RAM [TS]
00:11:44 ◼ ► and i Phone today in a couple years it will not be up to the task of doing running all the applications that even just [TS]
00:11:51 ◼ ► the basics of just being able I feel like every time I launch into this other thing it gets booted out of memory [TS]
00:12:00 ◼ ► I'm around this thing as well that's not something that first of all real time follow up I was wrong. [TS]
00:12:05 ◼ ► They are still selling the i Pad four which has the A six and a six X. but The same C.P.U. So my mistake. [TS]
00:12:19 ◼ ► but also don't forget if you're talking about a macro or almost everything's upgradeable [TS]
00:12:27 ◼ ► but modern Macs don't even have one upgradable part anymore it used to be you know if you bought a MacBook [TS]
00:12:37 ◼ ► and hard drive over time you could maybe swap out the old spinning disk for the F.S.B. [TS]
00:12:40 ◼ ► and Get another couple of good years out of it you can max out the RAM you know which is exactly what I did write a lot [TS]
00:12:49 ◼ ► These are so cheap but that you know that the devices we buy today because they are so not upgradeable. [TS]
00:12:58 ◼ ► You know almost every mac that sold now doesn't have replaceable RAM anymore or the same but if you buy a top [TS]
00:13:03 ◼ ► and Retina MacBook Pro today everything sealed up can upgrade anything I think that machine will be fine for the basics [TS]
00:13:10 ◼ ► but I would I would say you know if you're if you're expecting out a MacBook Pro I would say get the most RAM you can [TS]
00:13:17 ◼ ► afford up front that because the RAM will make the biggest difference over time with how well it is. [TS]
00:13:23 ◼ ► Yeah someone has asked me to try to recently if they should fail which machine the respect should I take the C.P.U. [TS]
00:13:28 ◼ ► Upgrade fro to an I seven or should I take the extra RAM and it's a difficult choice [TS]
00:13:33 ◼ ► but that they go in the ramp because again you know you know you can always do like if things take a little bit longer [TS]
00:13:41 ◼ ► Speed versus capability do you want to be able to run these two programs at the same time without swapping. [TS]
00:13:53 ◼ ► And the difference between you know eight and sixteen gigs of RAM say or especially. [TS]
00:14:11 ◼ ► Choices you have where you know for the same price of doubling the RAM you might get an extra five percent C.P.U. [TS]
00:14:22 ◼ ► For the money used to be better but these days you know can much accuracy be a money. [TS]
00:14:28 ◼ ► and you know going back to the i OS devices I think this is why you're right to to focus on RAM because that is the [TS]
00:14:39 ◼ ► and feedback from the tons of stuff with four gigs of RAM still coming a stock some of the low end so I will get I was [TS]
00:14:48 ◼ ► but I would never actually believe that this list strips on now is even more depressed. [TS]
00:14:58 ◼ ► Need need is a refined retailer and lifestyle magazine for men each month need to curate [TS]
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00:15:50 ◼ ► but it's fancier if you call it a row because it is not also a pillow is given every a throw pillow that exists right. [TS]
00:16:00 ◼ ► If you're asking me about the terms for furniture items of a British ad that's not my area of expertise. [TS]
00:16:10 ◼ ► Their favorites are the Stuart throw which might mean a blanket the shoe would sunglasses that have to be some cool [TS]
00:16:20 ◼ ► I wish I could have a British accent because I feel like saying the classic Oxford watch would be so much cooler if I [TS]
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00:18:29 ◼ ► We have some more follow up from Melissa savage the wife of one of the co-hosts of the motel's pod cast. [TS]
00:18:38 ◼ ► And she actually has her own podcast which I don't remember what it is. So I'm a terrible person. Very helpful. [TS]
00:18:43 ◼ ► She wrote in to say I thought I'd just drop you a note about screen size because illustrates why it's important to have [TS]
00:18:52 ◼ ► We are on average smaller than men meaning our reach is not so large despite we say we're getting over the bigger [TS]
00:18:58 ◼ ► The i Phone five annoys me daily because I can't quite stretch my right thumb to the left corner site of a Thousand [TS]
00:19:04 ◼ ► and One key functions for most apps this is where of course the backlog is so she goes on to say not only this [TS]
00:19:10 ◼ ► but women's clothes are almost almost never have pockets or when they do their crappy tiny ones. [TS]
00:19:19 ◼ ► Modern purses have phone slots but these are not large maybe four inches by half an inch [TS]
00:19:34 ◼ ► or if you're mad Alexander our trouser pockets are not big enough lead Are those the same things that the trousers were [TS]
00:19:51 ◼ ► We'll have to get some clarification with gender on the the underwear hierarchy. Any one of those C.P.T. Great videos. [TS]
00:20:04 ◼ ► Some random stranger in the chat room with no credibility is saying the trousers are all pants [TS]
00:20:13 ◼ ► This is very good because one of the British take our language and mess it up so badly. [TS]
00:20:20 ◼ ► So yes it's a come sort of back to point the idea is that here it is we're lamenting the fact that our trousers slash [TS]
00:20:29 ◼ ► and we actually have pockets Edred zine to fit things whereas women don't often have pockets at all [TS]
00:20:43 ◼ ► Well not just that but I mean there's two points or one is the clothing thing and the second is small hands [TS]
00:20:49 ◼ ► and reaching that reaching the corners of the screen and I you know even on the wind you know on the i Phone [TS]
00:21:02 ◼ ► when I see people out on the street with a comically large phones it seems to be most frequently women with comically [TS]
00:21:11 ◼ ► and I don't know why that is like you would think you know on average have smaller hands they would favor smaller [TS]
00:21:22 ◼ ► but my impression is that you are more likely to see really really just a really big phone in use by a woman than a man. [TS]
00:21:38 ◼ ► but the one the first one that I saw amongst my peer group was a dear friend of mine who is extremely pitied has a just [TS]
00:21:49 ◼ ► ridiculously large phone to me it looks like an i Pad many See for me like I think first of all the smaller hands [TS]
00:22:07 ◼ ► I had changed the grip I had on the phone to do I used to hold it a certain way but all the old size [TS]
00:22:16 ◼ ► and in people terms because that was last time I played sports I had to choke up a little bit to get a better reach. [TS]
00:22:24 ◼ ► and I saw they're still like certain things you got to like kind of hold it back a little bit you're going to do I had [TS]
00:22:29 ◼ ► to adjust the way I even touch it to certain corners and so I don't think it's necessarily a men [TS]
00:22:35 ◼ ► and women issue I think it's a I mean there's already even within you know within both genders is a pretty big range of [TS]
00:22:50 ◼ ► and stuff like that like they're making the interface more like a screen gesture based instead of based on tapping a [TS]
00:22:59 ◼ ► Overall helps this problem because it makes it so that you don't have to touch a very certain faraway area so often you [TS]
00:23:08 ◼ ► and I think I think this is the kind of problem that can be worked around with those kinds of decisions for the most [TS]
00:23:14 ◼ ► part I mean obviously within reason you can't really use and I've had one handed it kind of sucks but you know [TS]
00:23:23 ◼ ► or you know it's one of those things where the analysts there's basically zero evidence for the five [TS]
00:23:27 ◼ ► and a half a phony more for the analysts to operate to that are now saying well it's going to be delayed till next year [TS]
00:23:41 ◼ ► when I see people using large phones just the really big one thing you notice you're like Whoa is that a tablet No [TS]
00:23:50 ◼ ► Like they're not one handing it with a thumb on the thing maybe their two handing it may be like so I mean the ones [TS]
00:23:55 ◼ ► that have a stylus obviously that's totally other the Galaxy Note things or whatever where. [TS]
00:24:05 ◼ ► and everything the whole deal was people would would pull out the phone hold it sideways look down the keyboard [TS]
00:24:10 ◼ ► and like it was kind of like what you know in landscape orientation where you you're holding it on the side like it's a [TS]
00:24:16 ◼ ► Game Boy Advance so I'm making game references. OK landscape and using two thumbs on it with the keyboard. [TS]
00:24:23 ◼ ► But now that it's touch oriented that that grip is gone in for a while we're in the one hand thing with the thumb on [TS]
00:24:31 ◼ ► and like to hand portrait two hand landscape one hand holding it one hand tapping it like all people use remote you [TS]
00:24:37 ◼ ► know he can hold or I don't want to and then you take the second hand income from above with a pointer finger [TS]
00:24:51 ◼ ► and are choosing to against why Apple going to make a home with a bigger screen people like the bigger phones are there [TS]
00:24:56 ◼ ► and they're adapting their usage be avery to just robot as most are right then if you like to use your phone with one [TS]
00:25:03 ◼ ► hand like you know with the traditional sort of i Phone style grip you will be annoyed with along with the rest of the [TS]
00:25:09 ◼ ► people who like that no matter what your hand size the phones keep hitting bigger because I mean all you have on the [TS]
00:25:15 ◼ ► phone got taught I found it harder to reach some sections of the screen you had to do a little shimmy where you [TS]
00:25:19 ◼ ► remember we talked about that when the when the i Phone five Earth came out they get a little grip shimmy right [TS]
00:25:29 ◼ ► and you know just suffer along with everybody else you know write a little bit of quick follow up. [TS]
00:25:42 ◼ ► and one of the reasons that kind of on a sort of size of business is going to cost a lot of money to try to get a fork [TS]
00:25:48 ◼ ► a plasma T.V. Because those little cells are pits that are in plasma televisions that make up the picture elements. [TS]
00:25:54 ◼ ► If you were to you know quadruple the number of those are roughly quadruple the number of those in the same area. [TS]
00:26:02 ◼ ► and AWACS I think this is on Twitter sent me a link to say that Panasonic actually did make a fork a plasma television. [TS]
00:26:11 ◼ ► It's one hundred fifty two inches that will go that way you don't have to make yourself smaller. [TS]
00:26:16 ◼ ► It doesn't make the television massive It weighs one thousand three hundred pounds [TS]
00:26:19 ◼ ► and draws three thousand seven hundred watts. So and not cheap either. That must have a six figure price tag. [TS]
00:26:26 ◼ ► It is I don't think I remember the price but I will put the link in the shower just again it's not the fact that four K. [TS]
00:26:34 ◼ ► The technology to make the little picture elements whatever they're called in plasma smaller they would have to do a [TS]
00:26:55 ◼ ► If that does not pixel to the pixel is the is the resulting image on the screen I'm trying to talk about [TS]
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00:29:18 ◼ ► Well that was my next question was did you sleep at any point did you actually remove yourself from that. [TS]
00:29:28 ◼ ► and I had to come upstairs because I had the launch scheduled for eleven and I had it in the state [TS]
00:29:42 ◼ ► If you set it to be released in the App Store today then it'll start going on at midnight last night [TS]
00:29:49 ◼ ► and I don't want to stay up all night if they were server issues you know because that was the big question mark was [TS]
00:29:55 ◼ ► will the server stay up under under the load of however many people tried out and they won. I had no idea. [TS]
00:30:00 ◼ ► If I didn't really know how you know how heavy is each user on the server I really had no measure of that. [TS]
00:30:09 ◼ ► and get it from you know the great thing about it you see doing stuff you can just get a fleet of instances briefly [TS]
00:30:15 ◼ ► and bombard your service to simulate a load of thousands of users and I mean it cost some money [TS]
00:30:23 ◼ ► It would have been very hard to mimic the exact usage pattern of overcast users without you know having much of a full [TS]
00:30:31 ◼ ► time seven pod cast being released at certain times. It would've been hard to simulate well. [TS]
00:30:36 ◼ ► And so instead I opted to use that wonderful cloud ness of modern hosting to instead just temporarily get way more [TS]
00:30:44 ◼ ► resources than I actually needed so I temporarily a couple days ago I went from two web servers on line node to eight [TS]
00:30:54 ◼ ► and it turns out I didn't weigh less than that anyway so I was scared of what the servers would do [TS]
00:31:05 ◼ ► and then today I change the date back which makes it immediately get released at that point [TS]
00:31:10 ◼ ► but immediately released on the App Store doesn't mean it's immediately available to everybody whenever they check [TS]
00:31:18 ◼ ► and they propagate to different C.D.'s around the world different servers being replicated. However Apple does it. [TS]
00:31:25 ◼ ► So I want to launch eleven AM so I made the switch of the date at eight am figuring that by a leaven it would be [TS]
00:31:31 ◼ ► available everywhere and turned up in search results. Turns out that was too early. [TS]
00:31:37 ◼ ► Actually showed up by about ten or nine thirty even the want to play an hour and a half but I waited anyway [TS]
00:31:42 ◼ ► and I had you know all the people who had advanced beta copies that the press people I told them all you know don't [TS]
00:31:48 ◼ ► publish before eleven. So I waited and you know I didn't publish before eleven either. [TS]
00:31:52 ◼ ► And yeah so I spent the morning just looking over everything tweaking everything and then I launched it and there. [TS]
00:32:17 ◼ ► and you know this this apple downloaded by thousands of people today so the opinions of thirty especially this [TS]
00:32:25 ◼ ► relatively under Vers group are not very effective of the the Web at large so I didn't know what to expect from either [TS]
00:32:35 ◼ ► and are there any really crazy bugs that are just really edge case none of these testers [TS]
00:32:44 ◼ ► and that I'd have to like freak out an issue a quick emergency update and it turned out none of that happened. [TS]
00:32:52 ◼ ► You know I was I was so worried I haven't eaten for I haven't eaten well for like a day before this like yesterday I [TS]
00:32:59 ◼ ► was like feeling terrible all day I was just being nervousness. Now my back is a mess. [TS]
00:33:08 ◼ ► and like my lower back is destroyed today it's awful because I was really taking this nervousness inwardly but. [TS]
00:33:17 ◼ ► But it seems like everything went very well I mean the downside is I spent most of today reading thousands of tweets [TS]
00:33:32 ◼ ► I still have at the time of reading this five hundred twenty four e-mails that I haven't gotten to yet. [TS]
00:33:37 ◼ ► What are people emitted like supporting e-mails to the support address or personal e-mails to you [TS]
00:33:43 ◼ ► It's it well there isn't really a difference yet I have a support person I'm going to hire what I wanted to I want to [TS]
00:33:50 ◼ ► receive all the e-mails on day one you know first of all just from pragmatic standpoint I wanted to know about bugs [TS]
00:33:55 ◼ ► immediately so I could try to fix them. But these are e-mails alike from the apple. [TS]
00:34:00 ◼ ► You're in the application of the buttons on where you can hit that e-mails us are you talking about. Yeah yeah. [TS]
00:34:04 ◼ ► And it's it's mostly people you know with little feature requests some bug reports some tech support kind of stuff. [TS]
00:34:17 ◼ ► and set expectations for tech support very low you know I I don't use the word support anywhere [TS]
00:34:24 ◼ ► and the descriptions of all these email addresses feedback and I say everywhere I can't respond to everything. [TS]
00:34:32 ◼ ► But you have an auto responder that says please explain to me why you wouldn't want the number one podcast app [TS]
00:34:37 ◼ ► available now. Well so anyway I have a lot of e-mail to go through I don't think it's that bad of a thing. [TS]
00:34:45 ◼ ► I'll see what happens day to day like you know I didn't know if I should hire someone because you know as far as I know [TS]
00:34:58 ◼ ► and so until I know that I'm not going to I'm not going to make any decision about you know whether I'm a hire someone [TS]
00:35:13 ◼ ► and maybe a minute to respond to if I have to respond at a minute most but when you have you know hundreds [TS]
00:35:20 ◼ ► and hundreds hundreds of them that adds up quickly. So the launch went well the servers didn't croak. [TS]
00:35:27 ◼ ► Yeah I mean the database server alone everyone above Like point four plus a hard one to scale the Web servers were [TS]
00:35:37 ◼ ► Have you cranked back on some of the expanded footprint like have you gotten rid of some of those we M's Are they still [TS]
00:35:43 ◼ ► know they're all still there I mean if I keep all of these up for an entire month the entire hosting bill of over cast [TS]
00:35:54 ◼ ► When I sold Instapaper the hosting bill was about seven thousand dollars a month for more or less hardware. [TS]
00:36:00 ◼ ► Well it was more overall horsepower but not by a whole lot because hardware has gotten better since then [TS]
00:36:06 ◼ ► and why no greater other stuff like Leno's current pricing is almost cheaper than most dedicated pricing for like for [TS]
00:36:19 ◼ ► Like I was looking before this I was I was going to host limestone networks which is a really cheap dedicated host [TS]
00:36:27 ◼ ► and I had a server there for a while when I was developing doing crawling and stuff [TS]
00:36:30 ◼ ► and that server was like two hundred sixty bucks a month for what I'm what you can now get line out for about one sixty. [TS]
00:36:41 ◼ ► There's another example of hardware catching up to something that doesn't change as much so you know as hardware it [TS]
00:36:48 ◼ ► but like int for textual data in small amounts it used to be that no matter how small your textual data was if you just [TS]
00:36:56 ◼ ► want to store like an address book for people that like bounded in size only text not a lot of thing even that would be [TS]
00:37:02 ◼ ► super expensive just because heart rending caught up harbours gotten so much better. [TS]
00:37:11 ◼ ► Big Five times as big still mostly text maybe with little pictures that grows much more slowly than computing power [TS]
00:37:18 ◼ ► and stuff like that so I think the cost of like you know fast forward to fifteen years the cost of doing a similar [TS]
00:37:23 ◼ ► service overcast like podcast feeds keeping track of what I guess are all there meditator with their feed addresses all [TS]
00:37:32 ◼ ► and storage everything grows so getting to the point where it'll be like oh I run my podcast met a data service on a [TS]
00:37:45 ◼ ► when I will answer the dream is not that the dream is closer what line it offers which is like this thing run somewhere [TS]
00:37:49 ◼ ► else you know I think about this I don't know what hardware requirements like you'll be like oh it's like five dollars [TS]
00:37:53 ◼ ► a month you know unlimited C.P.U. and Memory that I was thinking actually as a temporary As a side note. [TS]
00:38:05 ◼ ► With an A seven chip to take advantage of like metal and make a new game console version [TS]
00:38:08 ◼ ► and everything I wonder about the Web Hosting potential you know it's like MacMini Colo times times two like the web [TS]
00:38:19 ◼ ► But it's not I mean for for web hosting like you got to have memory to have all this disc stuff cash in memory so you [TS]
00:38:26 ◼ ► don't actually you know you don't pull it off a disk every year just caches are all warmed up right so you need a lot [TS]
00:38:32 ◼ ► of memory for that and you probably need lots of small we course more than what are they supposed to. [TS]
00:38:38 ◼ ► Two fairly expensive course I think is still something I mean that's what the server chips are all like tons [TS]
00:38:44 ◼ ► and tons of relatively weak small core so you could be processing lots of things at the same time [TS]
00:38:50 ◼ ► and each one of those things is no longer that demanding if you're just getting and sending or again sending [TS]
00:38:54 ◼ ► or receiving small bits of textual information so apparently a similar company had to to make me Kolo anyway so a [TS]
00:39:04 ◼ ► company called a MacMini vault. They post that here and you have a page goes on an Apple T.V. [TS]
00:39:15 ◼ ► As you know have you know I guess you have to address all fans may be compact enough Apple T.V. [TS]
00:39:20 ◼ ► Isn't going to produce heat if you packed enough of them in you need something to push that heat into the aisle [TS]
00:39:28 ◼ ► Very strange I imagine like you know computing power to density ratio has to be pretty good with with an A if there's [TS]
00:39:37 ◼ ► Yeah but I mean like the MacMini So these are these are not purpose built hardware for the data center [TS]
00:39:46 ◼ ► or less the same technologies right so it's not as if you know this is the optimal solution just funny [TS]
00:39:51 ◼ ► and interesting from like imagine if you've got a bunch of these parks and you put them in a little drawer [TS]
00:39:55 ◼ ► but realistically speaking it's Google still making their own blades out of God knows what it is. You know even better. [TS]
00:40:01 ◼ ► Yeah so first they went well do you care to share how many users you have I saw you tweeting earlier today. [TS]
00:40:07 ◼ ► How many sign ups you had what are we at in in at least a vague order of magnitude. [TS]
00:40:14 ◼ ► Twenty one thousand eight hundred I was that is that people accounts are registered server side. [TS]
00:40:21 ◼ ► That is accounts registered server side number of downloads I won't have until tomorrow morning when I got the stats. [TS]
00:40:26 ◼ ► I mean you figure would be similar because it's you know you can't really use the app [TS]
00:40:35 ◼ ► But yes I would imagine the number of downloads is probably substantially higher because there are going to be some [TS]
00:40:44 ◼ ► Some people who downloaded it got to the logon screen said I don't want to create an account and deleted it [TS]
00:40:49 ◼ ► and do this so I would guess number of actual downloads might even be as high as twice that. [TS]
00:40:56 ◼ ► Do you have the fact links from that first screen that says you know I said Create an account or whatever. [TS]
00:41:04 ◼ ► and that's why it's called the skeptics faq it's because I knew people would say why don't need an account [TS]
00:41:10 ◼ ► and that's why at the very first question. No I think the second question you should keep track of. [TS]
00:41:18 ◼ ► and don't either one of those buttons the second time they launch the app you should make the skeptic's fact like more [TS]
00:41:28 ◼ ► but like you want you want there is an explanation you might well given now there is an explanation of why why do I [TS]
00:41:41 ◼ ► and I didn't know this was another kind of risky thing I didn't know like if there be a lot of people who are offended [TS]
00:41:49 ◼ ► You know who would cancel their efforts to try overcast entirely just because they didn't want to do that the reason [TS]
00:41:55 ◼ ► the accounts are there is because this is an entirely server backed applet the server has all the cry. [TS]
00:42:00 ◼ ► All in all the updating all the notifications and everything the server does a lot of the work [TS]
00:42:07 ◼ ► The server does everything and just outputs Jaison to the applicant and decode quickly natively. [TS]
00:42:12 ◼ ► Anyway and so there has to be some kind of user their vacation method between the app [TS]
00:42:16 ◼ ► and the server now if all I ever had was an i Phone app. Even even if all it ever was I O. S. [TS]
00:42:23 ◼ ► Apps that were on the same account I could I could do things the kind of hack around so I could do like you know [TS]
00:42:28 ◼ ► generate a random idea the first time you use it and then use that as username behind the scenes [TS]
00:42:32 ◼ ► and never even show the user what their user name is and you know then they could that could work just fine. [TS]
00:42:41 ◼ ► and in i Cloud in the key value store so that way you know they could launch it on their i Pad after I make an I've had [TS]
00:42:47 ◼ ► and it syncs over you know there are things that I could do the big problem with that is first of all that would almost [TS]
00:42:56 ◼ ► Second of all if I then had a way for them to add an email address and password to this account. [TS]
00:43:05 ◼ ► Believe me I know what would happen because I had similar issues with people making accounted Instapaper what would [TS]
00:43:12 ◼ ► happen is people would make duplicate accounts they would they would you know rather than associate an email address [TS]
00:43:17 ◼ ► with their current account they would create a new account inadvertently with the email address [TS]
00:43:23 ◼ ► and then you have two accounts and they email me saying all my podcasts are gone because I logged into the new one. [TS]
00:43:33 ◼ ► and it basically becomes a big issue with the with customer with perceived customer stability [TS]
00:43:40 ◼ ► and data loss because they will do something weird that makes them think they lost everything [TS]
00:43:50 ◼ ► and so I chose you know what let me try instead just require the count for right up front explain it as best I can I [TS]
00:44:00 ◼ ► Let me just show you let me use require the kind of front make it always require an email address so I can do password [TS]
00:44:10 ◼ ► Maybe that'll be fine and you know in the future if it ends up a lot of people are being turned off by that [TS]
00:44:17 ◼ ► Then maybe I can add the system where OK just starts up with an anonymous ID and you can add an email address later [TS]
00:44:22 ◼ ► but I would rather try this first because if this can work well enough it is so much easier to support [TS]
00:44:36 ◼ ► or twice before I don't know what are you exactly right so let me start with a couple of obvious questions [TS]
00:44:45 ◼ ► and then as we talk I'm sure John will start tearing apart little bits and pieces of what you're saying. [TS]
00:44:51 ◼ ► I'm so looking forward to this. Do you want to save that for probably the end if we don't get to it in the middle. [TS]
00:44:58 ◼ ► I'm not that confident in the market for a paid up front to happen anymore especially because I want to charge a good [TS]
00:45:03 ◼ ► price for it. You know I'm going to purchase the the model is in summary the app is free. [TS]
00:45:12 ◼ ► That's one purchase one time five bucks and I read all the limits so it's kind of like a trial version. [TS]
00:45:19 ◼ ► It's kind of my my hacky way of doing a trial version except that you know the entire app is an expire just certain [TS]
00:45:34 ◼ ► and voice boozed you can actually demo them without paying for five minutes like they're like a five minute trial of [TS]
00:45:41 ◼ ► those features. I actually wasn't even sure if Apple would allow that but they did. [TS]
00:45:52 ◼ ► So I'm back a minute so that's five bucks I don't think if I launch today in the App Store. [TS]
00:46:00 ◼ ► A decent but I first of all I know I got way more people as this model than I would have with that model I know that. [TS]
00:46:09 ◼ ► Second of all I know over time that would be very hard to sustain because once the initial P.R. [TS]
00:46:17 ◼ ► Is over and you know once all your friends and all your blog readers have bought it [TS]
00:46:23 ◼ ► and once everyone who's going to write about it has written about it then the sales of every app just tail off like [TS]
00:46:30 ◼ ► crazy they just drop you know if you look at the graph it was like a rollercoaster. [TS]
00:46:36 ◼ ► And in the end they settle in to a point that eventually kind of lowers more hours. [TS]
00:46:41 ◼ ► If your app is paid up front that happens faster and it happens more severely I've seen this happen [TS]
00:46:45 ◼ ► and you know Instapaper was always that model the entire time and it's still that model today. [TS]
00:46:55 ◼ ► I also know that in today's App Store in a competitive category where I don't even have the most features [TS]
00:47:13 ◼ ► and so I found a way to make free work you know I saw with Instapaper there are so many people who I would I would come [TS]
00:47:21 ◼ ► in contact with in real life even like even like family friends I would like you know because in them I'd see on their [TS]
00:47:26 ◼ ► phone they were still using paper free even though two years after it has continued. [TS]
00:47:32 ◼ ► I think there are so many people who matter how much they like you they just they don't pay for apps. [TS]
00:47:38 ◼ ► It isn't like it isn't just that they like Walt it's that they in their minds don't like they that's are something I [TS]
00:47:45 ◼ ► don't do it like that's kind of the kind of mindset it is who buys batteries Marco. [TS]
00:47:51 ◼ ► There's there's just there's a lot of people this is not a small group a lot of people who really just. [TS]
00:48:02 ◼ ► and I knew that the the biggest pod cast app in the world by a very large margin is Apple's pod cast up the second [TS]
00:48:17 ◼ ► I want to make an app that's good and free because the fact is the apple pie is not bad. [TS]
00:48:25 ◼ ► That's the biggest competition of the market and it's free and it has a lot of features [TS]
00:48:29 ◼ ► and it has some features I can't I could never have like integration with i Tunes there are alternatives here you know [TS]
00:48:37 ◼ ► but I've never seen an addon app that I thought maybe app look good you know like it's it's as an after a very [TS]
00:48:46 ◼ ► and the inventory is usually I don't I don't mind doing pod cast ads here because their advertisers are good [TS]
00:48:52 ◼ ► and because for the rest of the show you know we're giving like you know six minutes of ads out of a ninety minute show [TS]
00:49:11 ◼ ► and you know well done blog ad like the deck ads and it's a very different ratio and the advertisers are all cheap [TS]
00:49:20 ◼ ► And there are also features in the app like the Twitter feature where you know so I offer these like Twitter based [TS]
00:49:27 ◼ ► and you can get recommendations based on the people you follow based on what they listen to [TS]
00:49:34 ◼ ► and that kind of feature works best the more people you have it's a social feature. [TS]
00:49:40 ◼ ► And this is why all social apps for free are at that because this social network value exponential blah blah blah [TS]
00:49:45 ◼ ► and so this is the same way where that feature becomes a lot better if I have more people using it so I decided rather [TS]
00:49:52 ◼ ► than you know get five bucks from everybody I was going to try to try to get five bucks from us. [TS]
00:50:00 ◼ ► From a few of the people who use the app and just try to make the app as cheap as possible to host like. [TS]
00:50:05 ◼ ► And I focus on that from day one because I did not want to miss the point with where I was Instapaper where it was very [TS]
00:50:17 ◼ ► I have made every possible focus on keeping it as cheap as possible on the servers. That's why I'm online node. [TS]
00:50:22 ◼ ► That's why I have my big expanded version of the hosting we're going to be five hundred bucks a month [TS]
00:50:27 ◼ ► and I'm probably going to get away with more like two or three hundred after this is all done. [TS]
00:50:32 ◼ ► The whole point of this was cheap hosting make this sustainable that way and so the next question is which a few of R.D. [TS]
00:50:43 ◼ ► and I thought about that awhile to at my my model for the purchase I've been all over the place with that in my in [TS]
00:50:50 ◼ ► Originally I was you know I was going to do everything is unlocked and you just pay what you want for the app [TS]
00:50:56 ◼ ► and that you know I thought about that I got some input from some trusted people and that just it wasn't very good. [TS]
00:51:03 ◼ ► Is that even allowed on the App Store How would you how would you get the money from them. [TS]
00:51:18 ◼ ► but the people I could find who might be relevant to an apple I try to e-mailing in and got various places [TS]
00:51:30 ◼ ► and generally with apps Torah stuff you don't want to live on a question mark edge of a rule. [TS]
00:51:36 ◼ ► What you said earlier John exactly right which is the cost of hosting each user goes down with time. [TS]
00:51:42 ◼ ► So the only way that my if I'm if I'm responsible about how our hostess and how I manage the resources. [TS]
00:51:49 ◼ ► The only way to the cost really meaningfully go up over time is if the user base is growing substantially over time [TS]
00:51:55 ◼ ► because otherwise if the user base stays the same and usage stays the same than the cost of hosting will. [TS]
00:52:03 ◼ ► and it will be like Instapaper where people like me just have this massive backlog saving just thousands [TS]
00:52:13 ◼ ► but if you paid for I've had various roles they were people's Instapaper collections could in theory grow as podcasts. [TS]
00:52:19 ◼ ► This one working set and then after you played an episode like you're not retaining that empower you. [TS]
00:52:24 ◼ ► Well I'm retaining the the row in the database which is a row of like five integers of like you know the pod cast ID [TS]
00:52:33 ◼ ► when there's things you can turn that stuff off like you don't need to keep a record of it I listen to this episode [TS]
00:52:40 ◼ ► three years ago because it's no longer visible in the app and been visible the app for for years. [TS]
00:52:45 ◼ ► Well actually if the podcast has fewer than fifteen hundred entries it is still visible on the up [TS]
00:52:50 ◼ ► but the reality is like I mean I know I know from tumblr how these tables grow and what that means [TS]
00:52:58 ◼ ► and the fact is a table full of you know hundreds of millions of your associations like that is really nothing to host [TS]
00:53:06 ◼ ► like it sounds it sounds like a big number but in reality it like you know a table with with five [TS]
00:53:12 ◼ ► and your rows that that could be like your service could be the biggest time where the table might only be like nine [TS]
00:53:17 ◼ ► gigs you know that's really we're not really talking a massive amount of data here this is you know that's [TS]
00:53:25 ◼ ► and you are saving the text the five versions of web pages Instapaper database right because like it from I was saving [TS]
00:53:32 ◼ ► a monastery I was in the to base our budget but somewhere you are seven because you had the. [TS]
00:53:45 ◼ ► and allow everyone to see that it was a way to work with logon barriers so that you know so that if you if you are [TS]
00:53:56 ◼ ► The book would send a copy of what you were seeing to the servers we could save. Just for you. [TS]
00:54:01 ◼ ► And anyway so where was I So you know that I didn't descriptions because my costs aren't high enough where I really [TS]
00:54:10 ◼ ► need them like I can I can get all get along just fine without them I don't want to do in the future like with [TS]
00:54:15 ◼ ► Instapaper when I saw Instapaper I don't know what it is now I have been bugging them about stats [TS]
00:54:36 ◼ ► About halfway through the time I had it I launched these monthly subscription that would allow me to offer a very small [TS]
00:54:50 ◼ ► Most people who subscribe did not subscribe because of search most people who subscribe to scribes out of a sense of [TS]
00:55:00 ◼ ► and you know making you know based on given them building up a surplus of goodwill among my audience. [TS]
00:55:06 ◼ ► That's kind of my plan here is if I need more money later on to to address hosting costs [TS]
00:55:18 ◼ ► or like you know a monthly voluntary solution that does nothing I can you can make good money with that. [TS]
00:55:26 ◼ ► when I sell into paper most of those people never searched you know that was not the reason they were buying it. [TS]
00:55:32 ◼ ► So that's that's that's the plan for money is what I'm saying that I miss him even when i'm sorry to put a long day [TS]
00:55:39 ◼ ► and I'm kind of mentally fried that lasted though you're saying like the idea of having the equivalent of a tip jar [TS]
00:55:48 ◼ ► or having a subscription they already mentioned of those are both viable to like you're saying oh that can't work. [TS]
00:55:53 ◼ ► I mean because you know from experience that it can work in a resort fashion what is it about that approach that you [TS]
00:56:03 ◼ ► and go with the you know five dollars to unlock the rest of optionality thing it really is a combination of not having [TS]
00:56:09 ◼ ► a lot of faith and I could keep my shoulders to paper over a year ago and when I saw it sales were not great. [TS]
00:56:17 ◼ ► And so you know I saw the writing on the wall for the paid up front model back then and I'm not very confident now. [TS]
00:56:26 ◼ ► Part of it is also that now is a different model you know in cheaper had basically one and a half competitors. [TS]
00:56:42 ◼ ► I was going into it you know I was going to a very mature market like with Instapaper even though there was competition [TS]
00:56:59 ◼ ► and then you know we were able to grow over time in complexity and advancement with the pontiff's market out. [TS]
00:57:05 ◼ ► I'm going into it like everyone else in this market has been writing their apps for like four [TS]
00:57:11 ◼ ► or five years like these are these are now like old apps they been around the block. [TS]
00:57:19 ◼ ► I was starting late to this game so I was going to come in with fewer features by necessity [TS]
00:57:24 ◼ ► and so that's another thing I tried was that I realized that I would need I would need to do something a little more [TS]
00:57:37 ◼ ► or I think it was comparing to also launch it free but I have a you know twenty dollars. [TS]
00:57:43 ◼ ► I like Marco because he makes nice things thing that unlock some feature that no one's going to use like search. [TS]
00:57:49 ◼ ► But people would do out of the goodness of their heart like that as the model of the painter not the five dollar front [TS]
00:57:54 ◼ ► but the large in application quote unquote subscription whatever you want to call that. [TS]
00:58:03 ◼ ► Yeah the main reason why I didn't do something like that is that I just didn't think most people would buy something [TS]
00:58:09 ◼ ► that expensive and like one of my ideas was to have like a three tier system of pay what you want. [TS]
00:58:15 ◼ ► You know two dollars a year five dollars here ten dollars a year is something like that [TS]
00:58:20 ◼ ► and I was a little afraid that you know by making it complicated because those things are all kind of complicated by [TS]
00:58:27 ◼ ► Then you know I think you reduce dramatically the number of people who will do it because some of those words are going [TS]
00:58:36 ◼ ► You know I was even thinking like you know use it maybe using like the public radio vocabulary calling these things [TS]
00:58:41 ◼ ► pledges or you know if you know you could be like a supporter of the app you know. [TS]
00:58:46 ◼ ► So where would you run a telethon like once or twice a year that if I did that maybe I'd have to consider it. [TS]
00:58:54 ◼ ► I thought of all those models in various showers are taken over the last two years. [TS]
00:58:59 ◼ ► And because that's in the shower i think about pricing for my app most I don't know why. That's my life. [TS]
00:59:09 ◼ ► So I went with this model because it's simple and because it's a it's a low barrier to entry. [TS]
00:59:16 ◼ ► The price is relatively high. If it's five bucks I was tempted George Tenet actually but I knew nobody would buy that. [TS]
00:59:24 ◼ ► You know and who knows I might discount the purchase in the future you know play with the president. [TS]
00:59:31 ◼ ► I decided in the end to just keep it simple because it's simpler for everyone simpler for me it's simple for the users [TS]
00:59:38 ◼ ► this give me flexibility I can do things like you know in certain places people who can't use an app purchase. [TS]
00:59:45 ◼ ► I can like put up put up a web stright buying form and then you know sync that over with their accounts [TS]
00:59:51 ◼ ► or unlocks the app like theirs by keeping it simple I have many options. So that's that's really it. [TS]
01:00:00 ◼ ► By fracture fracture they sponsor us a while back I think in May They wanted us fracture is great fracture prints [TS]
01:00:08 ◼ ► photos directly on glass in vivid color it's really interesting so I have a bunch of fresher printer in my office [TS]
01:00:16 ◼ ► because they're good I mean I you know it started out obviously they were a sponsor that's how I learned about the [TS]
01:00:23 ◼ ► when I'm not being sponsored by them I have on multiple occasions bought fracture prints at full price because I like [TS]
01:00:38 ◼ ► and it's really the pictures printed directly on a thin piece of glass that's amounted to a thin piece of foam board so [TS]
01:00:47 ◼ ► These these prints are relatively lightweight like you don't have to worry about them like falling off the lawn you [TS]
01:00:55 ◼ ► They're they're they're very they're just immensely practical because what you get is a really nice looking glass print [TS]
01:01:07 ◼ ► You don't need to then we get a picture frame and compared to getting a picture frame. [TS]
01:01:12 ◼ ► It's an amazingly good value so I have a bunch of these things I have a couple of big ones showing on various nice [TS]
01:01:18 ◼ ► pictures I've taken and I have these three that are the smallest size they have you believe is five by five inches [TS]
01:01:24 ◼ ► and I use those to print out app icon pictures of the apps I've worked on so I have this row hanging in the wall of my [TS]
01:01:32 ◼ ► This row of app icons that I've worked on is kind like a trophy collection for the things I've done in my life because [TS]
01:01:42 ◼ ► and it's so integrated like the five if I print it just twelve bucks so it's really no barrier to entry here if you [TS]
01:01:51 ◼ ► want to get a couple of app icons made you know you spend twelve bucks is no big deal anyway. [TS]
01:02:00 ◼ ► In the box you know they give you a little picture anchor thing if you get little. The desk version. [TS]
01:02:09 ◼ ► Presents are just twelve bucks for the prints they're very reasonable even the big ones are really reasonable. [TS]
01:02:14 ◼ ► And every fracture is handmade and checked for quality by a human being in their small team in Gainesville Florida. [TS]
01:02:26 ◼ ► and the best thing is you can even get fifteen percent off with a coupon code. A T P So please use coupon code A.T.P. [TS]
01:02:39 ◼ ► To you Ari Me dot com fracture Me dot com Thanks a lot to fracture for sponsoring our show. [TS]
01:02:54 ◼ ► Let me ask another obvious question then I'll get into one or two that are less obvious. What took so damn long. [TS]
01:03:00 ◼ ► I started writing this in October twenty twelve and that was when I still own the magazine. [TS]
01:03:14 ◼ ► but didn't really have time to to make a full pocket separate at that point I had a project then you know that actually [TS]
01:03:21 ◼ ► other projects went away and I had time so I worked on them and didn't you know let my last fall [TS]
01:03:27 ◼ ► when my announced overcast XO XO last September. So almost a year ago. But it's when I went downstairs. [TS]
01:03:37 ◼ ► or five months of my that I really thought I was almost done because as a typical programmer of the car. [TS]
01:03:49 ◼ ► Find two months that turned out not to be the case. It's just a pod cast apps are so. [TS]
01:04:00 ◼ ► Credibly complicated and I didn't quite fully appreciate that at the time you know I didn't [TS]
01:04:11 ◼ ► and everything else like you know edge cases there but just the interface. There are so many screens in a pod cast. [TS]
01:04:19 ◼ ► I have read some of those briefly a couple weeks ago on the after show so you know it's it's just so there's so much [TS]
01:04:31 ◼ ► and forty five emails in my inbox at least half of which are asking for features that I haven't even done yet. [TS]
01:04:44 ◼ ► I thought I was launching with a lot for a one point oh turns out for the most part. Yeah people are fine with it. [TS]
01:04:52 ◼ ► But there's a lot of people out there who are really demanding more a lot more even from day one [TS]
01:05:01 ◼ ► and so I didn't want one player I anticipated some of this so I didn't want I didn't want to disappoint people one day [TS]
01:05:09 ◼ ► one so I didn't want to leave like massive gaping holes now streaming is a big one [TS]
01:05:14 ◼ ► and in a video it's a medium sized hole I don't ever plan to support video because it's it's kind of a different medium [TS]
01:05:21 ◼ ► and it demands different things I would be able to use my audio engine and any of the effects [TS]
01:05:25 ◼ ► and they're all so I could use that I could use a compressor but I couldn't I couldn't use smart speeds really weird [TS]
01:05:35 ◼ ► and the whole interface had to accommodate video and then you know you have the question of like I will. [TS]
01:05:43 ◼ ► Like do you start playing video podcast episodes right in the middle of audio What if you're in the car like those [TS]
01:05:50 ◼ ► weird beings with supporting video that I don't think are worth it because I don't think a video pod casts are that big [TS]
01:06:00 ◼ ► Jordy a park has listeners don't listen to any video podcast is just such a different medium in video I think was it [TS]
01:06:14 ◼ ► and I think also most videos move to You Tube these days so I was going to say like our video blog as even a thing [TS]
01:06:20 ◼ ► anymore other than You Tube channels more or less replace them but I mean I suppose they're they're still out there [TS]
01:06:26 ◼ ► If I was into video I guess I would want to have that was built around a video podcast because the right there are [TS]
01:06:32 ◼ ► different and I suppose you could make one super apps does both audio and video but that's a tall order [TS]
01:06:36 ◼ ► and like I would be perfectly having separate applications for video audio pockets I mean you know [TS]
01:06:43 ◼ ► and people use the You Tube application if they're watching You Tube channels and stuff. [TS]
01:06:52 ◼ ► Basically the reason I don't have streaming is not because it's some oversight that I just forgot to add it as some [TS]
01:07:03 ◼ ► That's not why the reason I have streaming is that all my audio processing stuff is done using RAW low level Core Audio [TS]
01:07:10 ◼ ► A.P.I. Eyes that don't inherently automatically provide streaming support the other apps use A.V. [TS]
01:07:18 ◼ ► Player framework is higher level the downside of the players it removes one of the control that you have there is a way [TS]
01:07:30 ◼ ► and If you do it that way but you can it is possible to voice boost with a B. Player. [TS]
01:07:39 ◼ ► and I've thought about lots of it with the thought of a lot of different ways to maybe attempt to hack smart speed into [TS]
01:07:45 ◼ ► Player and I just could not come to anything that was that was remotely doable and reasonable [TS]
01:07:52 ◼ ► and not like the ridiculous horrible pile of terrible fragile hacks that would break immediately. So you know. [TS]
01:08:03 ◼ ► and I thought smart speed was a good in the future to make that worth adding months to the relevant time [TS]
01:08:10 ◼ ► and making me have to reimplement things that everyone else gets for free with every player including streaming the [TS]
01:08:16 ◼ ► other thing is when the other apps that do streaming they have to do in a limited way because A.V. [TS]
01:08:32 ◼ ► but it seems that the reason why is because of H T V live streaming and its D R M and expectation thereof. [TS]
01:08:38 ◼ ► You can't save a stream and you can't turn a download into a stream you have to either stream something or download it. [TS]
01:08:50 ◼ ► and you definitely can't convert a stream into a download like you know just stream it [TS]
01:08:54 ◼ ► and just say just save what you're streaming until it's done and then say that of a file you can't do that. [TS]
01:09:01 ◼ ► when I do add streaming which is I'm going to begin work on Naturally once one point stuff settles down. [TS]
01:09:11 ◼ ► Doing that well in the background download system requires new capabilities that are in Iowa state only so it made [TS]
01:09:19 ◼ ► sense to wait until I was eight came out and do it then and so that's going to do with streaming. [TS]
01:09:25 ◼ ► So I ask a genuine question why is streaming such a big deal not from a development side from a user side like there [TS]
01:09:32 ◼ ► have been times I've wanted to listen to a show and it hasn't been downloaded and so I just wait for it to download. [TS]
01:09:44 ◼ ► Most of most of the benefit stream and I think has been removed with background downloading and I was there seven. [TS]
01:09:50 ◼ ► I really think that you know for the most part most people are going to have things downloaded [TS]
01:10:12 ◼ ► and so for that instance like oh I want I just discovered this episode of the show where we start playing this right [TS]
01:10:18 ◼ ► now. You can't women not you personally but you can't wait like literally sixty seconds. [TS]
01:10:23 ◼ ► Also the chat room saying storage space I mean I know I shouldn't be arguing with anyone I just I didn't realize that [TS]
01:10:29 ◼ ► people were running within like fifty or one hundred megs of the limits of their device. [TS]
01:10:35 ◼ ► I'm surprised to hear that you got all the gigs free I just try to upgrade my I seventy one to which I had forgotten [TS]
01:10:44 ◼ ► Well every time I try to have a grid I was nothing tells me No no space only one point four gigs are available so I got [TS]
01:10:49 ◼ ► to go delete stuff and you know getting in a lot of room just for the for even small upgrades. [TS]
01:11:00 ◼ ► Yeah that which is what the chat room is now telling me is that I'm spoiled by L.T.E. [TS]
01:11:09 ◼ ► That themselves don't on the files very quickly or can't in the files very quickly. Yeah that is a big problem. [TS]
01:11:16 ◼ ► but life with my bae touches with the background downloads every time I pick up my i Pod Touch [TS]
01:11:25 ◼ ► Everything's already downloaded because it's just been sitting there my wife by all day. [TS]
01:11:31 ◼ ► when I said No I actually I want it like you just want to get this episode I do the thing you just said Daisy [TS]
01:11:36 ◼ ► and I go to download it and I look at that one percent two percent you know I go all know exactly and I [TS]
01:11:42 ◼ ► and for me I can say well I'm going to get in the car and drive away anyway so that leave my house to download stuff. [TS]
01:11:51 ◼ ► I think there are two use cases one of the people like me music streaming you think of people like just wandering [TS]
01:12:01 ◼ ► but I think the other use case is I just I don't want to have to wait for the download to finish [TS]
01:12:07 ◼ ► and I want to be able to start listening if that's like can't because presumably the service can send audio data fast [TS]
01:12:21 ◼ ► when Apple first added podcast i Tunes I got all excited when the podcast got a subscription [TS]
01:12:28 ◼ ► and so the downloading BOM Likewise in a play is not going to play until I finish downloading this is ridiculous you [TS]
01:12:35 ◼ ► Web browsers if you go to an audio file a video like of course it starts playing the whole thing downloads it's not you [TS]
01:12:43 ◼ ► and by the way a lot of people in the chat room have mentioned lots of other pod cast outs that already do this I think [TS]
01:12:48 ◼ ► the market was saying is that the framework Apple provides don't give you a convenient way to do that so if you want to [TS]
01:12:58 ◼ ► and one market say if you want to wait until I was eight because their frameworks that make that easier. [TS]
01:13:05 ◼ ► and they've already implemented their own way to do all these things centrally I think what it comes down to the [TS]
01:13:10 ◼ ► screaming is for streaming. You gotta pick what's going to make it into one point oh and that one didn't make the cut. [TS]
01:13:14 ◼ ► I mean if you had added streaming you'd be waiting many more months before thinking about where [TS]
01:13:18 ◼ ► and specifically what what they do and they need you know this is no big top secret. [TS]
01:13:24 ◼ ► What they've added any is the ability to basically use streaming on the same download that can become a background on [TS]
01:13:32 ◼ ► that if it has to even set in if you want to do a background download on the Apple isn't running order. [TS]
01:13:39 ◼ ► You kick off the request and it says all right and then it can tell you progress updates [TS]
01:13:45 ◼ ► but if you can't get to the data until it's done so there's no way to stream that So if you were offering before you [TS]
01:13:53 ◼ ► had to offer streaming in a way that well and you also can't convert any other downloads into a back or download. [TS]
01:14:00 ◼ ► So you'd have to offer streaming in a way that if you were streaming hit pause and you know the app got terminated [TS]
01:14:05 ◼ ► or got background and that would get canceled in failure and you start over again with a back or not [TS]
01:14:10 ◼ ► and if you want a file where what they've added in eight is the ability to convert a streaming data download into a [TS]
01:14:19 ◼ ► background download so that sort of that use case can can continue and you can do that well. [TS]
01:14:28 ◼ ► What about the dev process surprised you the most was it just that there are that many screens [TS]
01:14:34 ◼ ► or was there something else I was most surprised at all this audio stuff worked on an i Phone And that's actually [TS]
01:14:40 ◼ ► pretty good answer really because it was like oh my god the amount of processing I do on every sample that goes through [TS]
01:14:54 ◼ ► or if you're a stereo pod cast eighty eight thousand two hundred times per second the amount of like just processing [TS]
01:15:06 ◼ ► When smart appears on least and he wants more speed is off to render the little peak meters animation E.Q. [TS]
01:15:12 ◼ ► Animation I'm looking at every sample I look like I'm doing an F.F.T. On every sample. [TS]
01:15:19 ◼ ► That's crazy talk to it like in like thinking about that like just logically that shouldn't be so fast on an i Phone [TS]
01:15:27 ◼ ► It's it runs at thirty frames a second i Phone four. Like I end without messing up the C.P.U. [TS]
01:15:33 ◼ ► and To answer people in the chat talking a battery impaired and everything. I was concerned about battery impact. [TS]
01:15:42 ◼ ► and the battery impact is fine it's fine like it's it's not what hits the battery the hardest is playing shows faster [TS]
01:15:52 ◼ ► and So to some degree smart speed does that because the reason why that's so hard is that you're then asking the [TS]
01:16:05 ◼ ► It's going to process you know sixty whatever frame frames per second so it's going to [TS]
01:16:10 ◼ ► when you're playing faster than one X. It still has to like decode the M P three read all that data. [TS]
01:16:22 ◼ ► That is what makes a big battery impact if you look at the C.P.U. Usage meter as you're running one of these things. [TS]
01:16:28 ◼ ► But that's true of all the pod cast apps including Apple's like they all have that problem because that's just the [TS]
01:16:36 ◼ ► and process it more quickly so you have to do more of it and costs if you time you're not doing the evil eyes [TS]
01:16:44 ◼ ► If if there isn't one on screen or the screen is off or the app is not foreground then it does not do anything right. [TS]
01:16:52 ◼ ► What's your favorite feature which may or may not be the one you're most proud of. I'm different. [TS]
01:17:07 ◼ ► and it's crazy because I really wanted this particular feature which is I didn't want to have to distinguish between a [TS]
01:17:14 ◼ ► manually organized playlist and a smart playlist the way you know most like i Tunes or the ballet. [TS]
01:17:21 ◼ ► I want it all to list to be smart and mentally organized. So that's how I did you know in Africa. [TS]
01:17:27 ◼ ► So you can set your criteria for your playlist and you know what should be included. [TS]
01:17:32 ◼ ► But you can always just drag it around to reorder it and then when new things come in your order is preserved [TS]
01:17:39 ◼ ► and it just tries to you know it tries to obey the filters in a reasonable way and the priority settings [TS]
01:17:49 ◼ ► Given your reordering you know when you first told us about overcast you know that was quite a while ago [TS]
01:18:00 ◼ ► Trying to include in it and you had told us about your playlist ideas. Possibly it was underscore and I doubt it. [TS]
01:18:07 ◼ ► In South Carolina but regardless of when I'd never use playlists ever in any park has staff ever used and so [TS]
01:18:15 ◼ ► when you gave us the beta I tried to do a playlist for things that just aired and I listened to. [TS]
01:18:21 ◼ ► Which is basically just Tyrrell talk and everything else and every time I started fiddling with the playlist settings [TS]
01:18:30 ◼ ► or perhaps reordering the playlists like you were describing it was very quickly apparent to me that this was something [TS]
01:18:36 ◼ ► that I've always wanted in my life I just didn't know it yet and it's really really well done [TS]
01:18:41 ◼ ► and I am not surprised that you count that as your favorite feature I think my favorite is probably smart speed because [TS]
01:18:51 ◼ ► Yeah I mean smart speech I think is deafening what I'm most proud of because you know smart speed is it's a big it's a [TS]
01:18:56 ◼ ► hard thing to do look at it like one of my one of my formulas for my own happiness [TS]
01:19:01 ◼ ► and intellectual happiness as well as success in the app world is it's nice if you do like one hard thing [TS]
01:19:11 ◼ ► That's a really good balance to have because if you do it one really hard thing that makes it harder for competitors to [TS]
01:19:27 ◼ ► Like they don't they don't bring it isn't a must have feature for customers so you know be careful what you pick. [TS]
01:19:33 ◼ ► But like you know I talked in the last half a show about how I work so hard on the Kindle feature for Instapaper [TS]
01:19:40 ◼ ► and in reality it probably wasn't worth all the effort I put into it because it was hard. [TS]
01:19:48 ◼ ► Smart speed is is a very hard feature to implement Well you can do it badly in a few easier ways [TS]
01:20:00 ◼ ► That said there isn't anything stopping of the other pocket of developers from doing it. [TS]
01:20:04 ◼ ► So you know like just time and dedication and you know possibly having to rewrite a lot of code. [TS]
01:20:11 ◼ ► It's not like it's going to be closer to me forever like I'll be lucky if it's closer to me for six months you know. [TS]
01:20:17 ◼ ► But anyway and yes I know R.S.S. Radio already does it to print any so it was of today. [TS]
01:20:34 ◼ ► Meter's animation thing actually works because the whole reason I did that is because Apple in their music I have an [TS]
01:20:42 ◼ ► Iowa seven like the the problem I was trying to solve with that was how do you indicate in the in the list of episodes [TS]
01:20:52 ◼ ► and the way Apple handles this is they have a little pink animation in the music screen that is like a tiny version of [TS]
01:21:03 ◼ ► or something like that it's tiny version of a few meters you know what drives me crazy about it is that it's fake it is [TS]
01:21:12 ◼ ► and down it is not actually reflecting the music that is playing. So me being a smart ass and being arrogant. [TS]
01:21:24 ◼ ► And so I tried and I let you know and further that I'm probably have to use Open G.L. [TS]
01:21:32 ◼ ► On a trans loosened blended layer that's going to blend into the rest of you I care that's not easy [TS]
01:21:37 ◼ ► and I really didn't want the overhead of doing G.L. Because I don't want to spend two weeks on this one of the future. [TS]
01:21:42 ◼ ► What made you think you know we're going to use up in jail for it just to get information fast enough or you know [TS]
01:21:48 ◼ ► or for battery reasons like you know like maybe I could do it with with quick draw or whatever [TS]
01:22:00 ◼ ► Not so much the you know coronation will be run through of a job of like that you don't want to have to draw the little [TS]
01:22:05 ◼ ► lines with core graphics thinking that would be you would be able to get sixty venturous I can out of that I was [TS]
01:22:14 ◼ ► During the background pressing on the second like what is that going to do to battery life for a living and G.P.S. [TS]
01:22:19 ◼ ► G.P.S. and They're waiting to run your D.S.P. Functions on it. I thought about that but also the C.P.U. [TS]
01:22:26 ◼ ► Versions of it works so incredibly well for for the for the scale I'm running them on I don't I don't think you'll make [TS]
01:22:33 ◼ ► The libraries they have those what are they called the arm extensions the arms and extensions neon [TS]
01:22:38 ◼ ► or something like presumably Apple's libraries are you know using that behind the scenes on the C.P.U. [TS]
01:22:44 ◼ ► To support it so it's kind of like you get your own you know like all tobacco all over again. Exactly yeah. [TS]
01:22:52 ◼ ► Functions which I'll do as I as far as I know they all think they'll use neon when when and whenever they can. [TS]
01:23:05 ◼ ► and it was originally only going to be on like just overlaying the artwork on the table cells. [TS]
01:23:16 ◼ ► and I also added to the main playing screen first of all because it will cool in a cynical way is to have it on like [TS]
01:23:25 ◼ ► And also because I thought it might help like if you look into a pod cast on your phone [TS]
01:23:32 ◼ ► but you know if you're you're not doing something else if you're like sitting on the couch looking at your phone like [TS]
01:23:40 ◼ ► or you know something that you want to signal to other people that you're listening. [TS]
01:23:44 ◼ ► Now I want to well first of all it is nice that it has a feature like you know a lot of a lot of other acts of the only [TS]
01:23:49 ◼ ► way you can tell they're playing is you know if the time is moving basically and you know [TS]
01:23:56 ◼ ► or you know the simple change on the play button but like it's it's these are pretty subtle signals. [TS]
01:24:08 ◼ ► Like just something to keep you visually entertain a little bit so that maybe just maybe you'll for a few seconds more [TS]
01:24:19 ◼ ► So it was kind of like a political statement as well like let me give you some reason to stay in this app [TS]
01:24:23 ◼ ► and something to use lock your visual tension so that you can pay attention to the pod cast rather than switch in [TS]
01:24:29 ◼ ► and you know zoning it out so while you mirror all the bars Johnny I thought it looked better that it was better. [TS]
01:24:37 ◼ ► Simple as that there were there were a number of good reasons why the number of bars had to be nineteen eighteen [TS]
01:24:48 ◼ ► nineteen. Yeah there were a number of reasons the number had to be no greater than one nine hundred like that the F.T. [TS]
01:24:53 ◼ ► Window size it would like it would've been really difficult and more a much more complicated and much more C.P.U. [TS]
01:25:04 ◼ ► and so not not always it was better to have the shape be symmetrical the bars form rather than just being like a big [TS]
01:25:17 ◼ ► and thin relative to you know not being with these you know big fat ones you know interplay between the parser [TS]
01:25:27 ◼ ► All right so I've got two more questions and then I genuinely like to hear John destroy your future. [TS]
01:25:36 ◼ ► Firstly what do you hope people appreciate and perhaps you feel like you've already answered that. [TS]
01:25:41 ◼ ► But as an example of something we haven't really talked about yet is the link to other athletes to do it before we made [TS]
01:25:49 ◼ ► or do we have any other topics we want to get now I don't want to I don't want to take over too late to be done of the [TS]
01:25:55 ◼ ► topics but they'll keep till next week. Yeah and if you can the way many because I keep asking. So it's my fault. [TS]
01:26:03 ◼ ► So what do you hope people appreciate what I was trying to say was an example of this that I've seen a lot of positive [TS]
01:26:18 ◼ ► Maybe that's your answer maybe it isn't but what do you hope users of the app really appreciate. [TS]
01:26:23 ◼ ► To answer to answer the question directly what I hope people really appreciate is a smart speed [TS]
01:26:27 ◼ ► and the voice boost because these are the things that that just were the hardest they took the longest like [TS]
01:26:35 ◼ ► These are features that they don't immediately scream oh my God must have to do a lot of people. [TS]
01:26:42 ◼ ► Some people sure but not not too probably the majority of people. But once you try them they're incredibly valuable. [TS]
01:26:51 ◼ ► and some people don't some people never play poker session one ex they don't want you don't see the point [TS]
01:27:05 ◼ ► and you don't ever want to appreciate the amount of work you put in anything that's you know the amount of work you put [TS]
01:27:10 ◼ ► into something does not correlate to its value. So that's fine but I but I hope people appreciate that stuff. [TS]
01:27:19 ◼ ► and so that's that's a show that had to get to the question that you kind of asked about you know why did the the link [TS]
01:27:27 ◼ ► I basically have a section settings that links to all my competitors for all not all them like this all my competitors. [TS]
01:27:34 ◼ ► Probably the biggest one the main reason why I did is that it was kind of it was kind of a What the hell moment it was [TS]
01:27:41 ◼ ► like you know what I don't want to do this thing and I think it would be pretty cool. I was afraid that it was a risk. [TS]
01:27:48 ◼ ► I saw it as a risk in two reasons one small one big the small risk was that Apple rejected it because they have pretty [TS]
01:28:03 ◼ ► and if you read the rules OK Mike Well this might qualify as might not like it it was a little bit vague [TS]
01:28:12 ◼ ► Not yet at least so we'll see you know future updates. We'll see if this feature will smith so far they don't care. [TS]
01:28:19 ◼ ► The second concern that Americans are because if they say I can't do it fine I take it as resubmit no big deal. [TS]
01:28:26 ◼ ► The second reason though was I was afraid that it would my my goal was doing this with linking to my competitors was [TS]
01:28:35 ◼ ► really well meaning it was really to just like you know some of these people are my friends this is a small business [TS]
01:28:43 ◼ ► these are all indie developers like me talking like I'm not linking to like major corporations with a V.C. [TS]
01:28:49 ◼ ► Funding who were trying to crush everybody and put it right out of business like that's and that's [TS]
01:28:53 ◼ ► and that's not this business this is a business of small independent of elders who are very similar to me [TS]
01:28:59 ◼ ► and I want to kind of show solidarity with it almost like just kind of be friendly with the business rather than being [TS]
01:29:10 ◼ ► and again some of these people are friends of mine which made it even easier to do it I was afraid that it might be [TS]
01:29:15 ◼ ► perceived as like me looking down on these people like oh you don't like my apple fine just take one of these you know [TS]
01:29:25 ◼ ► and you know like that's I was I was worried about that perception happening but it didn't [TS]
01:29:33 ◼ ► I don't I didn't see a single person who seemed to think that having that feature in the app I think has gotten me more [TS]
01:29:41 ◼ ► and more comments more e-mails that are all positive than anything else in the app including like all my future smarts [TS]
01:29:55 ◼ ► According to what people are telling me about what you are posting on Twitter people love it. They rule. [TS]
01:30:00 ◼ ► Of it I was going to bring up the one Jericho I saw who is who was yelling at you about that on Hacker News I guess you [TS]
01:30:06 ◼ ► but anyway rest assured that the Internet having to read through all of her going to redact in a strand I want to get [TS]
01:30:12 ◼ ► all upset that you cling to your time like it takes a special kind of determination to dislike somebody if you're out [TS]
01:30:20 ◼ ► of the way that someone linking to his competitors in a respectable way from his application is somehow you know shows [TS]
01:30:37 ◼ ► So my last question which I think you just answered seconds ago was what was your most surprising response [TS]
01:30:41 ◼ ► and it sounds like linking to other people's apps was that. Yeah definitely that and a combination of both. [TS]
01:30:51 ◼ ► and immediately cared about it in a positive way so that's number one number two I was really just overall very [TS]
01:30:57 ◼ ► pleasantly surprised at how positive the reactions generally were I didn't know until this launch I had no idea whether [TS]
01:31:06 ◼ ► anyone would care about the new cool stuff I did because I have because I you know I don't support the i Pad The MAC [TS]
01:31:19 ◼ ► I don't have streaming I don't support videos like there's all these limitations in overcast pretty you know those are [TS]
01:31:29 ◼ ► I only listen on my i Phone I didn't really feel myself that all these other platform clients were important to have on [TS]
01:31:38 ◼ ► day one. Not as important as launching you know a year earlier saying all right so there is there is that. [TS]
01:31:45 ◼ ► I also you know I never want to be a pod cast because I always listen to podcasts in contexts where I can't look at a [TS]
01:31:51 ◼ ► screen so I don't use video podcast and streaming as I said like I'm going to add streaming. [TS]
01:32:00 ◼ ► So important to hold back the release from the three months while I did it and wait for I was like that. [TS]
01:32:06 ◼ ► So that's that's why. Overall though I didn't know how many people out there thought like me on this. [TS]
01:32:17 ◼ ► I didn't know how many people that would anger and offend and turn off and who would just say useless one star [TS]
01:32:25 ◼ ► and it turns out there are there are a few Of course it is always going to be a few [TS]
01:32:29 ◼ ► but it's a much smaller percentage of people than I expected. Yeah that's awesome. [TS]
01:32:33 ◼ ► And I should to back up just a brief moment I should point out that I was curious how you were going to handle ordering [TS]
01:32:42 ◼ ► the pod cast apps that you were linking to because one could perhaps unreasonably construe that [TS]
01:32:49 ◼ ► or whatever you put at the top is clearly your most favorite of all your competitors [TS]
01:32:58 ◼ ► but you found a way around that which I thought was very clever I just randomize the list every time you open the [TS]
01:33:03 ◼ ► screen right. But once I saw what I thought was that was a very clever idea and a really good touch as well. [TS]
01:33:09 ◼ ► Yeah I do the same thing for the same reason with the directory categories like that the category list itself is [TS]
01:33:15 ◼ ► ordered intentionally but the DE pod cast in each category are randomly ordered every time you look nice. [TS]
01:33:22 ◼ ► Same reason because it's like you know I don't I don't want to like I don't want to have to rank these like you know [TS]
01:33:26 ◼ ► one through six in this category like I don't I don't care that much that I don't want to be like that too alphabetical [TS]
01:33:35 ◼ ► but then you have like a triple A tech show if people are going to be gaming your particular i Pod i Pod get up with it. [TS]
01:33:45 ◼ ► Well that like your listens to Casey it's like you want to add that security now or later. [TS]
01:33:53 ◼ ► So yeah that's that's why I did that that way and also by the way another risk that I thought the only. [TS]
01:34:00 ◼ ► A developer who was in that list who knew about it beforehand would underscore David Smith he's a friend of ours is in [TS]
01:34:05 ◼ ► the beta so a pod Wrangler bonus for David Smith that was the only app on there that knew about it beforehand. [TS]
01:34:14 ◼ ► and this could still happen that one of those developers get really pissed off at me for including them on that list [TS]
01:34:19 ◼ ► and would demand removal. If that happens I can do it server side it's no big deal. [TS]
01:34:31 ◼ ► and all I don't know they don't want you to link to their app I don't. I thought it was a risk it was. [TS]
01:34:37 ◼ ► but I was worried like what if one of these competitors gets really upset with me putting them in here. [TS]
01:34:45 ◼ ► but I concur with you Marco that that is something I would worry about as well if I were you I mean keep in mind I've [TS]
01:34:51 ◼ ► been kind of over overly sensitive to what of this thing I'm doing that I think is well meaning and and harmless. [TS]
01:35:04 ◼ ► or said here has been attacked with that kind of standard recently so I have to be very careful like to just try to [TS]
01:35:10 ◼ ► think in what ways can this be totally misconstrued. That would cause problems for me or other people. [TS]
01:35:19 ◼ ► when I first saw this is like if you had put things from a corpse in there they would be like you can use our trademark [TS]
01:35:27 ◼ ► Technically maybe However it's their app on which I'm loading from the App Store using it to show their app pig so that [TS]
01:35:37 ◼ ► or move them it's no big deal like I said I could do it server side and by coming out one line in a raid [TS]
01:35:42 ◼ ► but still it gets rather I'd rather avoid conflicts rather than like invite them and then try to escape them. [TS]
01:35:49 ◼ ► But overall based on the on the response from that competitor's list I think it was the right move. [TS]
01:36:07 ◼ ► and perhaps in general could you give us just a quick blurb on how you handled the directory. [TS]
01:36:21 ◼ ► That's a that's kind what I thought I'm not sure what they're looking for you to say [TS]
01:36:28 ◼ ► or it's like oh this is a Tech podcast is that how is that term is that meditated in the broadcast of that you're just [TS]
01:36:33 ◼ ► saying oh this is the tech part again these are all hand-picked in my admin panel like I can create categories [TS]
01:36:40 ◼ ► But so it's not it's not exhaustive I have no browser just like here's a project I guess. [TS]
01:36:45 ◼ ► Yeah it's it's meant to be a starting point so there's every category has in it a subscribe to all button [TS]
01:36:52 ◼ ► and the idea of adding this like I want one of my beta testers asked you know is this here because a lot of people need [TS]
01:36:59 ◼ ► to do this like it is a common request while there is grabbed all button taking up a whole table row in the directory [TS]
01:37:07 ◼ ► and the reason why there is not because anybody has ever asked anybody for that feature as far as I know it's because [TS]
01:37:12 ◼ ► it's kind of an opportunistic like well let me give them a chance maybe somebody will do this. [TS]
01:37:21 ◼ ► and to give people a quick way if they have if they subscribe to nothing if this is their first time ever using a punk [TS]
01:37:26 ◼ ► ass that they don't know what is ascribed to go pick category had described all you have you know enough content to [TS]
01:37:36 ◼ ► So that's basically it it was like the silly little mini collections like little mini curated collections of you know [TS]
01:37:52 ◼ ► and this was this is a hedge I don't know if the directory will prove to be the most important part here. [TS]
01:38:03 ◼ ► and Twitter to find their stuff so this is kind of a hedge where I have this I have you know like a medium strength [TS]
01:38:11 ◼ ► Twitter feature a basic directory and a good search and I think a good search you always have to have. [TS]
01:38:19 ◼ ► But between with the twitter of the director really which one do I focus more time on the future that will be [TS]
01:38:27 ◼ ► You're going to amp up your directory as people start using the application because then you can do the stuff that [TS]
01:38:32 ◼ ► Apple does it store them assuming you don't have access to Apple's meditator right like your new node where the top [TS]
01:38:41 ◼ ► or pretty soon you'll know what what are the popular tech podcasts not just from your list [TS]
01:38:49 ◼ ► or scrape categorisation plays a large portion of the broadcast you have data to know this one even you could rank them [TS]
01:38:55 ◼ ► by popular like you know what is the most popular comedy podcast and brought out one of the top. [TS]
01:39:08 ◼ ► Spec that almost every part has featured Here's two so they could be listed and items and [TS]
01:39:19 ◼ ► So if I wanted to do something with that I could I don't I'm not convinced the value of that if you if you browse [TS]
01:39:25 ◼ ► around with the i Tunes topless like once you leave the editorial areas of i Tunes like the editor's picks [TS]
01:39:31 ◼ ► and stuff if you go to the site the raw top top things in this category list I don't know how useful that is I'm not [TS]
01:39:42 ◼ ► Do most people find their pod cast by present directory or by searching for them by name [TS]
01:39:46 ◼ ► and the social one is probably the most reliable even though it seems like the weirdest in the way it is though I gotta [TS]
01:39:55 ◼ ► or people you follow with us like the top list if you ranked by popularity like just. [TS]
01:40:00 ◼ ► The same stuff ALWAYS IS LIKE THIS AMERICAN LIFE is going to be the number and you know it's spoiler. [TS]
01:40:04 ◼ ► That's what's going to be the number one thing right with this really super bowl and but [TS]
01:40:07 ◼ ► but who hasn't heard of This American Life and in some respects is like well that's a good target. [TS]
01:40:11 ◼ ► People you know there's a high chance to just an average person picked out of a hat will like this pod to gas because [TS]
01:40:18 ◼ ► But with this park with a curated list then it's like well if your taste is like Marcos then you will you may like one [TS]
01:40:26 ◼ ► of these takes more than you would LIKE THIS AMERICAN LIFE BECAUSE IT'S JUST egos it's quirky as your particular thing [TS]
01:40:30 ◼ ► with us whether the social one is actually the best because you have to find someone who has similar taste to you [TS]
01:40:36 ◼ ► and then follow their recommendations to the super popular one only works if you are not an individual [TS]
01:40:43 ◼ ► but are rather the average human being because then you're like oh yes exactly I am the average human [TS]
01:40:49 ◼ ► and I like the best things you know it's I find I pod cast people are most excited [TS]
01:40:53 ◼ ► when they find something that may not be particularly part of the show for example I may not be particularly popular in [TS]
01:40:59 ◼ ► the grand scheme of things on This American Life that level. But exactly speaks to their particular interests. [TS]
01:41:18 ◼ ► and that's I really think the social features are much more useful than the directory from us really I think the role [TS]
01:41:34 ◼ ► and in these little categories that's fine but you know once you get past give me a few things in X. [TS]
01:41:40 ◼ ► Category the browsing experience is terrible the usefulness of the rankings is off you know that's why I think you know [TS]
01:41:47 ◼ ► this whole social thing is the way to go. I don't know. All right John. Do your worst. [TS]
01:41:55 ◼ ► Thanks a lot two or three sponsors need Squarespace and fracture. Or and we will see you next week. [TS]
01:42:38 ◼ ► and I want it should be an after show this is just I mean like I was on the beta so it's not like you know saying [TS]
01:43:14 ◼ ► but every time I went to the beta feedback thing and I read it I read everyone else feedback [TS]
01:43:18 ◼ ► and like you know they're getting all the stuff to help my you know people would say I think yeah good someone so that [TS]
01:43:24 ◼ ► are it out and did something you had a lot of debate a tester so they covered everything more or less. [TS]
01:43:28 ◼ ► Although you know I mean I have a few things like it's rather some isn't already been said [TS]
01:43:33 ◼ ► but the berthing on the show. What did they cover in sufficiently one insufficient. [TS]
01:43:37 ◼ ► So I talked to you about this once in an after show before like things are revealed but. So let me just start with me. [TS]
01:43:53 ◼ ► and not so much application as I switched over to like you know wirelessly playing it during my commute. [TS]
01:43:58 ◼ ► Just when I believe it's the Yeah Yeah. But the other part of this is the other part. [TS]
01:44:02 ◼ ► I'm one of those people who does not care about smart speed I don't listen to things that more than one X. [TS]
01:44:06 ◼ ► I don't need a volume booster so all those features you spent a long time ago are meaningless to me [TS]
01:44:11 ◼ ► but I would not be using your application at all but I have other pod cast apps that I purchased right. [TS]
01:44:18 ◼ ► but it's because what I was doing with my i Pod Shuffle besides cursing at it I was bringing bringing it back to i [TS]
01:44:26 ◼ ► and various times I would either with my old i Pod Shuffle I would manually drag individual episodes onto the i Pod [TS]
01:44:38 ◼ ► when I got a new i Pod Shuffle didn't let me do it that way and I had to make a playlist [TS]
01:44:41 ◼ ► but it was still just a manual playlist I would drag individual episodes into a manual playlist [TS]
01:44:49 ◼ ► when I dragged him into playlists that I was like All right here's the order that I want to listen to that I don't have [TS]
01:44:53 ◼ ► a screen on the i Pod I can play on it in the car and he's going to play in exactly in the right order. [TS]
01:45:01 ◼ ► and so I would say Oh well as soon as an episode of you know whatever Radovan lying comes out I want to listen to that [TS]
01:45:06 ◼ ► right away even if I'm in the middle of an episode of some other thing that I was alluding to I want to run it on [TS]
01:45:12 ◼ ► landing on the top but you know I want I want to do these three episodes in this order [TS]
01:45:16 ◼ ► and I wanted them as a block I was it was like priority order but with manual adjustments [TS]
01:45:20 ◼ ► and that sounds familiar it's exactly what Obama has done and that is probably maybe the one [TS]
01:45:27 ◼ ► and only main reason I use applications because the playlists allow me to make an arrangement is exactly what I was [TS]
01:45:33 ◼ ► doing manual before the difference is now that I mean you know it's it's on a server somewhere it's synchronized so [TS]
01:45:40 ◼ ► like I did I'm stalled overcast on my i Pad two now that I get a lesson from there. [TS]
01:45:44 ◼ ► It keeps track of where I am I don't have to have the problem of like switching off different environment of I don't [TS]
01:45:49 ◼ ► have the shuttle with me rarely do anything that deny us device will know where I left off whatever so I was on with [TS]
01:46:00 ◼ ► One of the terrible manual process I was doing before. So that's why I use the application. [TS]
01:46:05 ◼ ► But as to the supposed to be complaining about it I mean this is a great complete what I'm trying to explain here is [TS]
01:46:13 ◼ ► that people said oh well you know people on Twitter are arriving as like as many debates one off for me saying that I [TS]
01:46:20 ◼ ► It's less you care about exactly the things that the same things that I care about that doesn't mean this application [TS]
01:46:31 ◼ ► and I don't like that it's a whole different set of priorities as are you getting it with all the people the feature [TS]
01:46:36 ◼ ► If you do have a pocket of is useless to you if it doesn't use video podcasts you have to like that because under video [TS]
01:46:44 ◼ ► and so the same reason that I really like this application is like a reason that someone else might reject it entirely [TS]
01:46:52 ◼ ► The demands people have applauded as applications are so different that hearing just to go like well John recommended [TS]
01:47:03 ◼ ► or in the case of video that it's probably never going to have that just because I recommend it doesn't mean that it's [TS]
01:47:15 ◼ ► I can't be the only one who does maybe I'm the only one who did it manually because it's just too much of a pain [TS]
01:47:20 ◼ ► but once people can do it without the pain that I was going through like Dubai is dragging this time around I think a [TS]
01:47:25 ◼ ► lot of people will find that feature I mean like you were saying your favorite feature I think that is the killer [TS]
01:47:30 ◼ ► feature even though it's like I know you but you have to reorder stuff on the table do you [TS]
01:47:43 ◼ ► When I went to try to say OK Well Marco has applications as a player stuff let me I did first want to have faith that I [TS]
01:47:49 ◼ ► was going to just make a manual play us out as manually do stuff like I was done before even that would be an upgrade [TS]
01:47:54 ◼ ► because manually dragging tracks on the i Pod shuffles a nightmare compared to doing it on the screen as a previous. [TS]
01:48:00 ◼ ► But shuttle owner using an i Pod shuffle in any way other than playing a random selection of music tracks is horrible. [TS]
01:48:11 ◼ ► but the voice over thing where it tells you like if you happen to have you know music [TS]
01:48:15 ◼ ► and podcast you gotta make sure and you're in the right realm before you start playing. [TS]
01:48:18 ◼ ► Oh wow that was that was added after my shuffle time I had the very first shuffle and I think the third one. [TS]
01:48:24 ◼ ► Yeah I've had a series of them and they're not my friends a lot of it is that i Tunes being crappy too but [TS]
01:48:30 ◼ ► when I was trying to make my first playlist I saw that it has this priority podcasting [TS]
01:48:37 ◼ ► and then I remember you talking about the manual we are in with the priorities I don't understand why a priority [TS]
01:48:43 ◼ ► podcast as a thing our concept in the application like that there is two kinds of pontiff there as a priority podcast [TS]
01:48:53 ◼ ► Why not just make all the pop is the first thing I do when I make any playlists is I say select priority park guests [TS]
01:48:59 ◼ ► and I select them all because they all have a priority like nope there's no tail be Enron like OK this is my top five [TS]
01:49:05 ◼ ► Everything else is just exactly equal because what I find myself having to do is go into the thing [TS]
01:49:14 ◼ ► and that's that feels like it doesn't need to exist like that concept of a priority in a nonprofit upon seems like a [TS]
01:49:19 ◼ ► complication that could confuse people into thinking they can't get the players they want really they can it's like oh [TS]
01:49:27 ◼ ► and other people really do want to say I have three Party Podcast and everything else I don't care [TS]
01:49:34 ◼ ► I want I want all of them to be proud to get because I know I mean there's not that many are in a read of my mother [TS]
01:49:46 ◼ ► It's not as if I am confused about anyone to the Bahraini people in chat rooms saying they just want to protest [TS]
01:49:56 ◼ ► and then it frustrated me every time I had to go make clothes because I had selected. [TS]
01:50:00 ◼ ► and even now I want to add a description with a five hundred caught up like they couldn't even put core intuition on [TS]
01:50:04 ◼ ► here yet when I go out that I'm going to have to remember to go into my playlists and market is a priority podcast [TS]
01:50:10 ◼ ► and sort it rather than it just being becoming the last party podcast or whatever or the first one [TS]
01:50:26 ◼ ► when i type of thing before it switches screens before it starts playing I don't know what it's doing during that pause [TS]
01:50:31 ◼ ► but it's not playing the audio it's for already downloaded stuff you have any idea what that ye know that's that's real. [TS]
01:50:36 ◼ ► Yeah that that is like I have to I have to think that basically like the A.P.I. For reading audio files. [TS]
01:50:48 ◼ ► and What I would love to do is have a lower level access to the file so I could like whatever it's doing for uncertain [TS]
01:50:55 ◼ ► files were actually pre load something or pre read something to get from zero to playing I would love to do that [TS]
01:51:10 ◼ ► but I don't have a I don't have a kind of access to the eyes and maybe I can go lower level somehow [TS]
01:51:15 ◼ ► Some kind of like Amazon Fire predictive like if I've just added a podcast or if I've just downloaded it. [TS]
01:51:25 ◼ ► and make it perceptually faster by changing screens before the playing started right. [TS]
01:51:34 ◼ ► The right answer is I have to like kick off the screen load and then have to give the screen like it [TS]
01:51:46 ◼ ► and then take off the load of the file isn't going to say so I have to do that it's on my To Do list for you know one [TS]
01:52:01 ◼ ► and cherry picking individual episodes having it put you back out to whatever screen it sends you back out to like it's [TS]
01:52:06 ◼ ► not as easy to just go through I want that up sort of that I want to sort of that you have you get sent back out to the [TS]
01:52:13 ◼ ► I've been frustrated by that a few times and this one I know you got to play about this too [TS]
01:52:19 ◼ ► but I'm over your answer for was if you are unfortunate enough to hit the end of a podcast before you realize you've [TS]
01:52:31 ◼ ► Like I don't I don't know what the solutions are you're saying like maybe you could have a holding been for several [TS]
01:52:36 ◼ ► times I've either action I scrubbed at the end of the podcast which is easy to do with the fats on the little scrubbers [TS]
01:52:40 ◼ ► they were never or it has run out when I have like you know it's not playing and I took my earphones off [TS]
01:52:48 ◼ ► and at the end of nothing is gonna have to read downloaded what is read in about that one. [TS]
01:53:01 ◼ ► Almost all of them are storage management of some sort like a lot of people are like one request I keep getting which I [TS]
01:53:21 ◼ ► or either that you know that you haven't played in deleted so like there the active state of the item [TS]
01:53:34 ◼ ► and deleted those are the three states not to be a bit like a pre download like who will be downloaded. [TS]
01:53:40 ◼ ► Q I know that what people are asking for is they want items that like on certain devices just are never amount to [TS]
01:53:52 ◼ ► Yeah it's a new item that I want to keep those newly keepers unplayed but don't have the after a download [TS]
01:53:59 ◼ ► and maybe I'll start. It's not a time you know so there's and that's a very common request so far in the mail. [TS]
01:54:05 ◼ ► Again I was not expecting that at all in general like looking at the state of episodes like [TS]
01:54:10 ◼ ► when I'm going through any list you know it's not always easy to tell like is that boy what state is some kind of [TS]
01:54:18 ◼ ► or visual element to say if you have a state in your head like is this Does this need to be downloaded has it already [TS]
01:54:27 ◼ ► or is it one of those weird things you describe where it's not supposed to be done on this device. [TS]
01:54:34 ◼ ► but other I mean I guess is the main other application of use I forget what it's iconography It's like a little green [TS]
01:54:45 ◼ ► or some I don't even know the hell you spell like some visual way to look at a list and [TS]
01:54:49 ◼ ► when I look at this list mention before like my nervousness about going on a plane fly to the very same thing. [TS]
01:54:54 ◼ ► I don't know if all the podcast I want to listen to our downloads or not I can glance at the app [TS]
01:55:04 ◼ ► but like some sort of visual reassurance of our knowledge of the state of each episode see [TS]
01:55:13 ◼ ► You know the pod cast apps you know I don't want to stream you have absolutely downcast I think I catch [TS]
01:55:20 ◼ ► or is like this where they just have tons of customizable settings for everything that comes in a pretty big cost of [TS]
01:55:29 ◼ ► interface complexity and you know I'm trying. This app is trying to be a mass market. [TS]
01:55:41 ◼ ► and stitcher like that's that's what I'm looking at I'm not trying to compete with downcast and pocket cast [TS]
01:55:47 ◼ ► and insta castling But this isn't like a twitchy feature this is like this simple like a visual I mean I guess it's [TS]
01:55:54 ◼ ► like visual clutter you're trying to not have like you want to you need to convey a certain amount of information [TS]
01:56:03 ◼ ► and dials all over it telling you like obscure icons that you like what does that mean it's like a lollipop in the red [TS]
01:56:08 ◼ ► circle has a line through it and there's a thing that looks like a could be a progress bar. [TS]
01:56:13 ◼ ► But I think that state information about which one was just playing which thing is currently pausing it like you said [TS]
01:56:24 ◼ ► but for all the other states like has this been downloaded. Is this going to be downloaded. [TS]
01:56:31 ◼ ► and by the way some of the chat room mentioned a reasonable solution to the what happens [TS]
01:56:40 ◼ ► and delete from that after some period of time so if you actually scrub your way through an episode you can go to the [TS]
01:56:44 ◼ ► reason I played was I don't I don't know that it's looks like the reason the reason I didn't put a lot of these unlike [TS]
01:56:49 ◼ ► the date if you back is there was no I can't so obviously you need to do whatever because I would try to think well how [TS]
01:56:56 ◼ ► Like it's there's only so much room for buttons there's only so much room for visual clutter [TS]
01:57:00 ◼ ► and you have a navigation hierarchy that you mean you don't want to break out of that [TS]
01:57:04 ◼ ► and start going like three dimensional chess for like you know when you're like right to left [TS]
01:57:07 ◼ ► but you cannot assume in an out and it gets confusing because like you said with a lot of screens right [TS]
01:57:12 ◼ ► and the question with all these features you know it's OK I want I want a way to do X. [TS]
01:57:18 ◼ ► I want to way to toggle the state without affecting the state so I want to do state of this I want to do option to do [TS]
01:57:25 ◼ ► and what do you do in the interface which you know you know is that hidden behind a gesture. [TS]
01:57:30 ◼ ► If so how does it explain to anybody is you know is it is it behind like an Info button where do you put the info [TS]
01:57:40 ◼ ► and how they can sense we like the apps I mentioned I like the ones I have a lot of option I doubt it has [TS]
01:57:44 ◼ ► and I guess they have like six different pages in their settings screens because they have like all these settings that [TS]
01:57:50 ◼ ► people the quest have to go somewhere and the you wise for that can be pretty clumsy and cumbersome [TS]
01:58:00 ◼ ► I'm trying to balance this like you know I'm trying to balance between trying to give people what they want rather than [TS]
01:58:11 ◼ ► and trying to be a mass market appeal app you know I don't want to add a million features I'm never going to win that [TS]
01:58:22 ◼ ► but secondarily I don't want to you know if you want tons of fine grained controls over all that stuff I think you'll [TS]
01:58:31 ◼ ► be better off using downcast just like just use them test you just concentrate on adding making it they figure you [TS]
01:58:38 ◼ ► already have the features that are already there making it clear to the people using those features. [TS]
01:58:48 ◼ ► but a lot of them like you said like might be had like for you to give another example I'm looking at the app now on [TS]
01:58:55 ◼ ► the little download icon has a badge it says five I tap so I don't know that badge means I soon that means it's five [TS]
01:59:02 ◼ ► or whatever I tap on the little five I see a list of five episodes they all say download paused underneath them [TS]
01:59:14 ◼ ► and like this is this is an example of you know the mysteries of overcast sometimes it does things that are understand [TS]
01:59:21 ◼ ► when it's best working best when it's like you're in the cycle now you see where three download is the best [TS]
01:59:31 ◼ ► or just like I didn't do anything application I had set up my subscriptions I had set up my playlists. [TS]
01:59:37 ◼ ► I wake up in the morning all my particles would be there and exactly thought or that I wanted them [TS]
01:59:42 ◼ ► and I would just play it like that's you know that's that's how you want to work it's like I don't have to touch the [TS]
01:59:50 ◼ ► when something does go wrong I want to do something weird like oh you know someone recommended this is before the [TS]
01:59:54 ◼ ► Twitter recommendations but someone recommended that I should listen to that sort of like your chatter was. [TS]
02:00:00 ◼ ► So I go on the surge front like you shot up on the episode like well how do I get this into my thing [TS]
02:00:07 ◼ ► and I subscribe to like your shadow now did I just am on the one episode is a going to download all the rest electric [TS]
02:00:14 ◼ ► shadows it was a no I just got that one like these are pictures that already exists like you can do all these things [TS]
02:00:18 ◼ ► but I was unsure whether I was using the app in the right way to do them you know what I mean [TS]
02:00:23 ◼ ► and like that I think rather than adding features of them the ones you think you have to add is probably the place to [TS]
02:00:29 ◼ ► contrary specially for mass market because Apple already does tons of stuff and already has tons of features [TS]
02:00:33 ◼ ► but it's not always clear to the inexperienced user or the new user that those features exists [TS]
02:00:44 ◼ ► Yeah you're totally right I mean that's I agree they're not going to argue with you there I agree there. [TS]
02:00:54 ◼ ► and a lot of features that are that are kind of hidden that you know probably shouldn't be you know it's one point [TS]
02:01:02 ◼ ► So file a bug or less a problem like if I had all the good suggestions I did because I knew exactly what to do [TS]
02:01:12 ◼ ► or not like oh it's just a lot of times it is use an application you're like oh this is obvious you should be doing [TS]
02:01:25 ◼ ► That's a technical thing you can tell the person that you want to work and it's fine but the U.I. [TS]
02:01:29 ◼ ► Things it's like so what do you add what buttons do you add what buttons the remove what you know you're We've already [TS]
02:01:34 ◼ ► got swiping tab where else are you going to stick with other thing that's why I keep thinking visually like I don't [TS]
02:01:39 ◼ ► know what the design would look like I don't think I think you could get something that fits in a theme [TS]
02:01:43 ◼ ► but that they have a concrete suggestion for it like some kind of visual indication of the states that already exists [TS]
02:01:54 ◼ ► when you try to cherry pick up those not getting chucked back up again you've heard most all this feedback before [TS]
02:02:00 ◼ ► On the pod cast other people can know that you've heard this feedback you should just make that you should just make [TS]
02:02:04 ◼ ► the beta board public and say that people have said all these things before Take a look. [TS]
02:02:09 ◼ ► and on how much of this stuff people are asking for a should even offer I would much rather favor good default behavior [TS]
02:02:22 ◼ ► when you can get away with that you know sometimes like if if people are really divided on something it's like you know [TS]
02:02:30 ◼ ► Neither of them is clearly better than the other just like a difference of preference like then you usually have to [TS]
02:02:35 ◼ ► The I think you need a setting for the at the end of the episode it immediately gets deleted [TS]
02:02:39 ◼ ► and you can't find it again because they displace people probably want that people who are like oh I want I want to be [TS]
02:02:45 ◼ ► done immediately but if you if you if you just put them into the recently played Episode thing [TS]
02:02:52 ◼ ► and got rid of them after five minutes the space people wouldn't care about the I actually went to the end people kind [TS]
02:02:58 ◼ ► of like the I.X. Did you mean to scroll to the top or having a status bar do you not really an Instapaper. [TS]
02:03:05 ◼ ► But sometimes people do it accidentally This is a similar situation like it's a frustrating situation [TS]
02:03:12 ◼ ► Even on our own episode I was trying to listen to something we were saying in an after show now is trying to scrub [TS]
02:03:16 ◼ ► around near the end of the thing to find to go back as I had missed something because you know I've been distracted for [TS]
02:03:35 ◼ ► but it's much worse to actually try to scrub back here something that Casey said actually go off the end [TS]
02:03:48 ◼ ► but I was I have find myself speaking going off the end at the end of back to work I don't like listening to the same [TS]
02:03:53 ◼ ► stuff and it starts playing I want to be done but to make the episode go away I have to manually. As far as I know. [TS]
02:04:00 ◼ ► Manually from the scrubber to the end to make that episode you know the mark displayed where as far as I'm concerned as [TS]
02:04:06 ◼ ► soon as a little music starts playing I'm done with the answer I get hit I get hit fast forward like three times which [TS]
02:04:11 ◼ ► and I just believe the cell phone goes the step of insulation that I'm what I'm saying is like the things that happened [TS]
02:04:21 ◼ ► and fighting with the little you know the behavior of should it go away sometimes I want to go immediately. [TS]
02:04:25 ◼ ► Sometimes I don't want to go accidentally And so but I think just like like the you know recycle bin or trash can [TS]
02:04:32 ◼ ► or whatever having having some sort of buffer zone for things to stay in for a short period of time without any [TS]
02:04:37 ◼ ► settings related to that just as the behavior of the people who need the space will just you know just tell them it's [TS]
02:04:47 ◼ ► Yeah I mean that that's worth considering but then then I have to have a U.I. For. [TS]
02:04:57 ◼ ► Yeah I mean like like you have playlists right so I would just keep using that metaphor like these are smart playlists [TS]
02:05:03 ◼ ► that are built in you know to me it's I don't know if I there's enough cost to that feature that I'm not sure it's [TS]
02:05:11 ◼ ► worth it like and then there's also there's like there's like the cognitive burden that you put on all the users. [TS]
02:05:18 ◼ ► or three different ways then if you're in the user trying to figure out a way I just did this then you know where is [TS]
02:05:26 ◼ ► or do I have this file like you claim you said earlier that you were you know you want to be sure if you get on a plane [TS]
02:05:34 ◼ ► One of the reasons why I've kept the storage model so simple is to provide that assurance to you know like OK if if the [TS]
02:05:44 ◼ ► if there is no number badge or frowny face on the downloads icon then I have everything that's like that's it. [TS]
02:05:51 ◼ ► If the damage icon is not showing a status I didn't know that that concept is clear to you [TS]
02:05:56 ◼ ► but I didn't know that that service that I've got and I know that so I will look at that and. [TS]
02:06:00 ◼ ► That's the Malia but that model that's the you know the programmer model that's in your head [TS]
02:06:06 ◼ ► That tells me that that issue that that should be the case that the only way I can know that I'm safe is I just look to [TS]
02:06:15 ◼ ► and you have burned in the beta because I change halfway through the beta earlier on when it first hit you [TS]
02:06:26 ◼ ► If the download gave me a file and the download completed successfully I said OK it's exceeded done and I moved on [TS]
02:06:39 ◼ ► and I would say up can I go to the file I don't know I like that that that that era means that opening the file in the [TS]
02:06:47 ◼ ► and often that was because it was a bad download sometimes it was like it was not actually audio file it was like [TS]
02:06:53 ◼ ► somebody is five a three page that when there was a server error like so what I do now in the download [TS]
02:07:05 ◼ ► As soon as the files download there's a brief pause where it seems to freeze at ninety nine percent [TS]
02:07:11 ◼ ► and the reason why is because it's loading into the audio processor right then to see is this a real audio file [TS]
02:07:18 ◼ ► And you know it was there and I need to get any information you get from this that we want to download it [TS]
02:07:28 ◼ ► If you consider that a failed download and then showed in the U.I. and Maybe try to retry later or something like that. [TS]
02:07:33 ◼ ► So now with that you can be pretty sure that what you're getting you know as soon as it was downloaded it was tested in [TS]
02:07:48 ◼ ► and I think you'll get it again maybe you know why you got it from a couple of people in the beta. [TS]
02:07:53 ◼ ► Maybe you can check your emails Eva comes up more often but I still say that scrubbing around in a down. [TS]
02:08:04 ◼ ► when you're done playing the episode having to be automatically deleted is pretty much what people want to do. [TS]
02:08:11 ◼ ► or even hitting the fast forward button should never cause out of the hundreds of I am on the plane everything is [TS]
02:08:18 ◼ ► and at the beginning of the episode they make a reference to something at the end of like hour how I want to get to the [TS]
02:08:24 ◼ ► when I go see at the end I guess deleted like I want to listen to our podcast nominal playing with NO I find I can't. [TS]
02:08:29 ◼ ► Like scrubbing using the scrubber does not seem like it should be something that causes data loss. [TS]
02:08:37 ◼ ► but you know that you just wait wait wait to see what the feedback is like maybe I'm the only one there was like three [TS]
02:08:42 ◼ ► two or three other people who had similar comments in the beta and I've had it happen. I've had it happen. [TS]
02:08:46 ◼ ► I mean just you know if it's a far it's a problem you'll find out because right now I'm going to people download [TS]
02:08:52 ◼ ► or so you'll find out what the real percentage is one thing I did about in one of the second [TS]
02:08:58 ◼ ► or third beta I change the scrubber so that before it was continuous as soon as you would drag it around it would see [TS]
02:09:09 ◼ ► It would just it would eventually see you hit the far right edge then delete the pod cast the way it's released now in [TS]
02:09:20 ◼ ► or rather so like you have to touch down drag around as you driving around it doesn't actually seek until you release [TS]
02:09:27 ◼ ► it and so in order to hit the ending delete the file on the scrub or you have to drag it to the end [TS]
02:09:37 ◼ ► Like when you're trying to get to like the last thirty seconds of a two hour pod cast [TS]
02:09:43 ◼ ► and you can't really you know it's easy to accidentally even released him just to take a look over the timestamp is [TS]
02:09:51 ◼ ► I mean what you're identifying is definitely not ideal the question is whether the alternatives are worse. [TS]
02:09:59 ◼ ► Like weather. Turn it of complexity is actually overall worse and I don't know the answer to that. [TS]
02:10:10 ◼ ► But you know like adding this whole different state of episodes of like this like Purgatory state which would be [TS]
02:10:18 ◼ ► confusing a lot of people would never even realize they could go back and get them [TS]
02:10:26 ◼ ► and more complicated I mean more weird bug edge his potential So like the orange people would never know. [TS]
02:10:31 ◼ ► Anyway you can always you can always make it a setting in a case five minutes you do it in fact five minutes the other [TS]
02:10:42 ◼ ► but like I wanted to show my wife the directory today and I had to think now where was the directory [TS]
02:10:48 ◼ ► and said look at the top it's I found it really should be given Marco stubborn down low and I am now [TS]
02:10:59 ◼ ► I think that the icon work is a perfectly nice icon I'm just saying that it is the symbol for settings anyway [TS]
02:11:07 ◼ ► and I had to think like well it's not going to be under downloads because it's a directory. [TS]
02:11:11 ◼ ► The little Plus thing with a document I had to keep reinforcing to myself then that means that playlist right. [TS]
02:11:20 ◼ ► By a process of elimination it has to be the plus to see the director make sense because you're adding a pod aghast [TS]
02:11:26 ◼ ► kind of like it's like I expect it to be like the search but it's also the directory. Anyway my search for A.T.P. [TS]
02:11:36 ◼ ► Well it's probably somewhere in my it's now my five hundred ninety e-mails some time I mean you know someone tweeted My [TS]
02:11:45 ◼ ► and send it to Marco you can use buckshot put a big red arrow Beside I think she actually did email you about it [TS]
02:11:50 ◼ ► but anyway that that has to do it like we have to put it to be somewhere in our meditator description [TS]
02:12:00 ◼ ► You know what your option is when you want the application to have a gigantic big subscribed. [TS]
02:12:06 ◼ ► Well it's already in the in the directory it's it's in the tech category which is the top left category [TS]
02:12:17 ◼ ► So the important thing here is that I shipped before fast text for I was seven. I cannot believe I beat you. [TS]
02:12:25 ◼ ► I've to be honest I've worked on fast and it's like once maybe twice since I was seven came out [TS]
02:12:30 ◼ ► but that doesn't negate your point which is that you wrote what three quarters of an application in the time that I [TS]
02:12:43 ◼ ► The I'm so happy when you when you first joked about that it was probably six months ago probably [TS]