00:00:00 ◼ ► It's all stalled by saying the show bodies back for how long. Probably not much longer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► There's been a few poll requests from a couple different people who as usual I don't have their names in front of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► because I'm a jerk but we can all laugh together when this goes down momentarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/12">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► when we're laughing with you not at you and I think it's both but I don't want me laughing at your show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/18">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► but with you there's no known vulnerabilities left right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/24">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► but I'm sure that they never see reads our own boobs you know as our bugs know that we can count that as the pop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/31">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► culture reference the show if you'd like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/38">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► Because I kind of pop culture kind of program or I'll put it in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/40">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► and then you know guys will know it means probably still won't follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/43">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► Last week I think it was last week we talked about Google's material you will either demo to the Google I O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/50">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► and I mention the one of the things they showed in the keynote that I thought was neat was that they want this U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/57">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► To be the same on the web and on their phones and so they had a web version of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/63">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► and this is a web site I don't even know if it's an official website but it's a Web site and you can go to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/67">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► and view the web version of a lot of the controls that Google showed in their presentation did you guys check this site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/73">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► out preferably in Chrome I suppose you have an increment now but I have not looked previously. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/80">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► Now click around and see what you think I mean it looks like the stuff you saw up on the screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/86">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► Immediately on this there's another thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/92">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► Swanson Where's that biggest unloads he sent me this on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/94">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► and then I read tweeted a bunch other people responded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/97">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► and of course all the people who follow me true to form jumped on the fact that you can't click on the labels to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/99">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► activate the check boxes which is quite egregious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/105">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► but in the web world it could just be that didn't do the label you know for Eagles idea the checkbox thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/108">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► or these could be entirely custom with girls I haven't even looked at the source to see if there's actually any. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/114">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► So anyway I don't blame those that most of what I'm looking at is does this you I feel you know for lack of a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/120">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► word snappy and I think it does I think the animations are smooth here but if they take too long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/126">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► Well yeah but that's not a performance issue that's like a decision that's kind of like you know and I was seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/132">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► or I have the transition things turned out even though they were taken a shorter zooming effect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/137">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► That's like they're deciding how long these things go it's not like they're taking too long because they're slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/142">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► and remember Iowa seven point zero. Things did take too long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/146">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► Seven point one they fix it they will they improved it they never you know been it said we made everything faster which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/150">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► they did by you know tweaking to values but you know Apple didn't really get as perfect either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/155">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► On step one and there are still a few areas where there is like unnecessarily long animations and in the last ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/160">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► Well there's like and you know I get mentioned with turning off the reduced motion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/167">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► or whatever word doesn't reportedly does not change the duration at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/171">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► but it feels faster because it's a crossfade instead of a zoom or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/174">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► but other things you can do perception wise to handle that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/179">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► but this interest also shows off the big honkin like ripple effect things so you can tell where you clicked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/181">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► or the buttons having a ripple go across them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/189">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► I'm still not a fan having quickly around in it but I am reasonably impressed with the performance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/191">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► I wouldn't complain if I was cooking around on this like it doesn't look like a native control doesn't feel like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/198">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► edit control but it doesn't feel slower clunkier So every This is all my complaints not technological ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/203">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► but to design complaints which I think is a reasonable achievement like what they're looking for as this should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/208">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► exactly the same on the web and native I haven't tried the native one but I can imagine it being any more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/213">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► or less responsive than this and so then you're just switch over to complaining about the actual design decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/220">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► but it looks to me like they've achieved reasonable parity of performance in the platforms you know I don't like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/225">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► and I'm looking at the raised button colored raised button where the kind of ripple effect is most obvious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/234">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► As far as I can tell I don't like that it doesn't look like you're depressing the bottom like you're going to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/240">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► raised button it should it should get pressed when you tap it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/244">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► or click it right if anything because the shadow gets larger as you tap it so it looks like the button is being raised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/249">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► up off of the page for a moment. But the but it's not moving. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/256">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► So it just kind of looks spatially wrong you know the index thing is weird like if I understand what Casey saying about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/260">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► the depressed thing. But wouldn't that be like when that changed the Z. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/266">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► and then like momentarily it would be putting I don't I don't know I'm trying to figure out there forget metaphor Yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/271">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► it is this is what they've chosen to do it like you're not pressing the button down you're merely activating the button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/276">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► and so shimmer goes across the button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/282">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► but the button does not move because like this touch sensitive buttons you guys are trying to remember this started way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/284">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► back when on televisions my grandfather had one of these they had buttons on and did not move in and out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/290">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► when you press them they're like touch sensitive buttons of like a metal ring with a metal contact in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/294">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► and you just touch them with your finger and it would activate to change the channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/299">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► but it would they would not actually push down and these rules on the television and on the remote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/302">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► and it was amazing technology and whatever year was one nine hundred eighty six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/305">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► but that did not catch on for obvious reasons because people want buttons that press down like the home button on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/309">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► i OS device. Yeah I think we're good and like this is the kind of thing it's hard to tell in a demo here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/315">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► You know in this in this artificially created demo on a web page which is not the intended use of this man oh it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/321">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► way you can use these things but it's obviously this is made for touch devices first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/327">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► and you know this is the kind of thing where we're you know we're just not going to be able to really know how good it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/331">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► is because none of us use Android full time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/337">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► but we got a few people complaining about the way that we talked about Google last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/339">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► and I you know I think it's worth pointing out and time telling ourselves as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/345">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► I thought the world of tech is really big and no individual person or even small groups like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/349">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► It's hard it's hard to get like good you know. Adequate coverage of everything in detail. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/357">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► We like to talk about things in great detail we're all extremely focused. Well for the most part. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/362">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► But we are three hundred at least. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/367">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► And so we we will go into depth on on crazy topics to Creese levels of detail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/369">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► and that has to necessarily be at the exclusion of others. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/376">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► You know like it's like like nobody can be an expert in all programming because programming is massive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/379">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► Maybe in the seventy's you might have been able to become an expert in almost everything that was out there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/385">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► Now that the industry is simply too large you can't be an expert in all programming because there's just there's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/390">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► out there than you have time to even look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/399">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► or learn you know you have to at some point you know reject certain things implicitly just because you're choosing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/401">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► focus your attention on something in particular I don't think we should feel like we're barred from talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/408">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► things that we aren't experts in anything that sounded like we were doing that last week was our mistake. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/414">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► You know I don't I think I was I was doing a pretty reasonable job of disclaimers and being humble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/419">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► and giving the benefit of the doubt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/429">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► but that's been a very unpopular opinion of me recently apparently I don't I'm not doing well in almost everything I do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/430">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► And and so I you know I don't know if it's my problem or everyone else's problem it's probably some of both honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/438">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► but we can't be expected to be experts on everything and we don't need to give everything equal time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/444">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► and I think that's very important for all of us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/453">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► You know both us and the audience to understand and to be on the same page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/455">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► and to be in the same parking lot about we I mean there aren't we I mean look at me to drive into the parking garage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/459">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► level two and you know get one little ticket that you pay on the way out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/467">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► You know I we need to have take your co-hosts to work today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/472">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► How long you'll last how long until your co-host gets fired from the job he didn't even have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/480">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► and I think it's I think it's simpler than Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/486">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► and you are I think you're looking too deeply within yourself to figure this one out at the time it comes down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/488">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► talking negatively about something that is clear that you don't know a lot about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/495">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► and that's the easy attack for people who are sort of on that team is that I don't like you saying bad things about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/500">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► thing that I like and by the way you go also don't know as much as I do about the thing that I like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/505">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► Therefore you're stupid for saying that you don't like the thing I'll take which may be true maybe if you knew better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/510">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► But just as easily it could be that you know enough about it you know that you don't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/517">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► and that's just an easy avenue of attack so when you dismiss Android or i call Android phones crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/521">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► or whatever if you're on the Android team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/528">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► and you care whether other people like Android which is some other thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/530">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► and of itself then you're going to say well if you just knew it better that's when I switch that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/534">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► and then on time way to say you guys know nothing about Android you should not talk about Android because if you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/537">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► know you say bad things about it but it's clear that you guys don't even have Android phones. So stop talking about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/543">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► But that's not doesn't bother me because the people who are on teams like the partisans the people who care whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/549">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► other people like Android stuff or or Apple stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/554">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► or anything like that does a million of those you're not going to change those people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/557">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► What you would do want to be fair to the stuff like that and not because anyone's on any particular team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/561">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► but you don't want to misrepresent anything I think the criticism we got that I think was not fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/566">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► but it was coming from a good place was that we didn't for instance mentioned that Android has more market share than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/572">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► Apple and we didn't mention it because we assume everybody already knows that not because we don't know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/579">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► or not because we're trying to deny it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/584">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► but I can understand if you're coming out of not having that background sort of you know if if you don't share those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/586">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► assumptions with us then you could say they're misrepresenting Android making it seem like it is the inferior lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/590">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► selling phone platform in reality. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/597">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► Which we never say I know you have about but it's like we all know what we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/600">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► and a lot of our regulars know we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/603">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► but if you're a new listener you may be thinking these guys are making it seem like Android is a loser when really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/606">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► and or it has the biggest market share I try not to get too bogged down in those things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/610">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► Anyway most of most of orders Jamarcus like I just go into X.M.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/614">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► The point why do you think it's probably worth addressing because you know it's going to keep coming up here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/617">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► and there where you know somebody gets upset that we didn't cover X. Y. or Z. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/621">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► or That we didn't consider their team when discussing topic topic X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/625">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► Because we covered somebody else's team and they perceive that as a slight to them and it's worth a disclaimer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/630">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► when we talk about Android none of us use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/637">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► but I don't think that removes our our ability to talk about it intelligently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/639">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► I think if when we have to consider when we're talking about it intelligently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/644">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► but I think we usually have we shouldn't be afraid to talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/647">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► or you know banned by our audience from talking about it as long as we keep that in mind as long as we keep in mind you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/651">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► none of us use it so we can't really say in great detail about these things but it is a major force in our market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/657">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► and it would be it would almost be stupid or negligent of us not to ever talk about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/663">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► The give me time to right click on that little demo page and I do not see an input H.T.M.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/670">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► and a check box with all of the canvas styles were just fine like I was just wondering if they if they had tried to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/676">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► and then enhance them maybe they have these I didn't spect element I don't know what was in the source code before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/684">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► javascript got ahold of the DOM but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/689">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► when the job was done with it all left with the divs soup in some canvas elements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/691">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► and some inline style so that some crazy stuff. I like the slider I like the three D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/695">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► when You grab the little what do you call that not another thing or handle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/700">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► Whatever Tom Tom That's what I was looking for thank you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/705">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► Anyway when you grab the thumb I think it's a little too much zoom I think it comes at you a little bit too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/708">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► but I like the light coming at you it's getting bigger every came out through the shadow would increase go to the Z. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/713">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► Index thing at the bottom like shadows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/717">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► Thing it shows distance you know the index so that the thumb is actually getting bigger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/720">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► OK Well either way and I also like that it becomes colorless. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/724">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► At the left edge although I do think if you're going to do that game it should be more of a gradient as you come across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/728">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► But now they're doubly some good ideas here it it feels a little unnatural because it looks different than a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/736">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► things I think mostly like this layout where you've got that page card thing that kind of goes over the head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/741">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► or that that feels weird and different and uncomfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/748">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► but I think just because it's different not because it's bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/751">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► but it isn't a web page like imagine it on a phone imagine that you're using it on a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/754">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► and one app was a web app because the whole thing with Google's But their new O.-S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/758">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► Is they're trying to you know the tabs are mixed in with apps in your task which are in everything in a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/763">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► supposed to blur the line between what is a mobile web site and what is an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/767">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► and so you few are using a Google app that use this U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/771">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► That happened to be a web app and using google that happened to be native they want them to look and feel the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/774">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► and I mean if the whole rest of the O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/779">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► Looks like this you'll get used to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/781">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► and then if you happen to use a little mobile web app like this it won't be as shocking as it is for us to loads up you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/783">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► know on our Macs in a little demo thing inside a chrome and well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/788">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► or it'll be like an uncanny valley problem where it'll get you know it's like like one of those sites I mean obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/793">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► we're more advanced on this these days but when all the blog templates and everything started making when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/798">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► when the i Phone first and sort of making like mobile layouts that looked like an i Phone navigation controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/803">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► and so they have like the other big gradient bar which of course he did really well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/808">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► but they did not perform like it's considered like that they had to do the simulated jealous of scrolling way back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/814">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► when because they couldn't even do the real you know G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/819">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► when he did like a navigation where you'd had an element I would try to do a slide it was all stuttering like that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/823">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► not fooling anybody I would like to see actually in a blind test between you tell me is this a web page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/827">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► or is this a native app. I guess you'd say I was an example just like this like a control gallery. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/833">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► So someone makes a native app and on Google. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/837">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► Two operating system of these controls and so make the web equivalent and doesn't tell you which is which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/840">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► and you have to feel around with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/844">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► and guess like two devices which one is the Web And what is that would be interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/845">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► That's the true test I suppose that's the Pepsi challenge. A B. X. Testing. Let's take it serious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/849">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► Anything else on this I share one else's opinion for the most part that it looks on first glance to have way too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/856">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► animation. But again we'll have to see how that plays out. All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/863">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► Do we want to go through this bio medical follow up stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/868">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► Yeah I think we should have been before Apple comes out with an i Watch and becomes less relevant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/872">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► but are you going to clear out the space of a document. Yeah exactly yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/877">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► So this be at the back a while back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/880">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► when we were talking about wearables probably before they'll be releasing the first bit is from a biomedical engineer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/882">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► named bed grateful and the second bit is from a doctor. Name just one someone who you sacrifice yourself not it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/888">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► He actually put in his email to try and pronounce that So is he just like taunting us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/897">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► and we did not live up to his challenge. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/901">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► His first name is the first name is P R I'm going to go with her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/904">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► and his last name as a capital over two dots on top of it and then it just goes on from there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/908">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► I'm going to grin I think that sounds reasonable. That's accurate enough. It's probably not that far off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/912">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► So the biomedical engineer is responding to our questions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/918">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► Several shows ago about like what do you need to get vitals from people what kind of hardware do you need. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/922">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► And he says getting a good heart rate requires at least two sensor attachment to the body actually saw someone running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/930">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► with one of those he was one of those bands that goes around your chest. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/936">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► Yeah yeah like forgetting your heart rate I assume that's a summer thing right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/939">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► Two centres Otherwise why would a rapper in your whole body. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/942">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► So having it having just the wrist thing might not be great for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/946">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► and oxygen sashes saturation if it's feasible with current tech but like the other person has now not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/951">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► Then to pronounce again as his main issue is what do you do with this information assuming you even can collect it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/960">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► when dealing with any of this data you're faced with a couple problems one is that most people's vitals are stay within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/970">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► a reasonable range assuming they're healthy so it's not that interesting that if you were to charted are you going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/975">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► see big fluctuations because if you do you should probably be in the hospital because it's not you know certain things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/980">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► like blood oxygenation should not be radically out of bounds he says that if your pulse action level blood pressure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/985">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► should only vary within a few percent of the boring graph so I assume you could zoom in on the axes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/992">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► and exaggerate the differences but he says when dealing with data points in my work context is everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/997">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► Is that pulse rate normal or not depends on the context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► and goes with fever blood pressure etc taken out of context there is nothing to analyze [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► and the idea is that the most important thing the doctors do is get a context for the readings of the numbers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► isolation without a trained doctor to look at them are meaningless certainly meaningless to like an untrained person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1015">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► just looking at these numbers and trying to know what his information is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► So I mostly agree with all of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► and a lot of people in the medical field are nervous about this stuff ever being used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► or anything remotely approaching medical purposes like I'm sure the things I've become of this glamorous like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► not for you to self diagnose this is not for there's not telling you when you're sick or healthy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► This is NOT tell you whether you should or shouldn't go to the doctor or the hospital. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► Like I don't know for entertainment purposes only and I like that you know like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► but is safe because it's you know steps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► and not even really steps just how many times it has a way gold in a step like manner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► and that's kind of like a game of fly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► but once you start getting to things start looking like things that you might measure in a hospital. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► or any other company that does stuff has to be careful in saying this information is not diagnosing you with anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► it is not a doctor consult your doctor before blah blah blah blah blah. I think all that is true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► I also think there is a reasonable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1076">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► Entertainment only game a fight a version of this that could come into being in long term for people who do have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► chronic illnesses and stuff you would imagine like their we show this in the demos from the eighty's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► and ninety's I'm sure they're doing it today with a million devices that are people who e-mail us about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► but like if you have a chronic condition that requires monitoring having technology to have a device that does mine of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► misinformation are related to your actual doctor so that you can have sort of not twenty four seven care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► but like redundant monitoring by health professionals of your actual vitals. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► Because as part of some conditions you can imagine imagine if there was a way to constantly get your blood sugar level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► for people with diabetes without pricking your finger you just put on this wrist wrap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► and then like your doctor would automatically have like an entire medical staff somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► but automatically have your blood sugar and could notify you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► when you're over doing enery minute to you know take your insulin shot before you go off to bed or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► That's like the future world technology there we show a firm of medicine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► and I suppose the silly entertainment stuff like that that is like a little miniature step along the way to that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► But I way it was it was mostly a pessimistic view of the stuff that front from the medical professionals. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► They think it's not as useful as the fantasy scenarios make it out to be and I'm inclined to agree with them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► Well maybe this would provide context to a doctor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► I think you're right in that it could never be used for serious medicine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► But you know maybe you could say maybe this app or healthcare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► or whatever could say well your heart rate generally falls between this and that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► And right now it's at two beats per minute C. Might be dead you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► So maybe that maybe will provide that context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► or you wouldn't have otherwise had because you don't normally walk around with a monitor strapped to your body. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► Oh yeah this last that I want to get to in this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► Anyone who has spent any time in the hospital recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► or ever recognize that it like talking about the existing automated devices. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1194">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► Rolls for tracking vitals and how many of them have warnings or alarms that go off and how often those warnings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► or alarms mean anything on T.V. Shows there is something with a little buzzy beginning goes off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► Doctors run around and it's something serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► and dramatic music starts playing in actual hospitals the stupid buzzy warning things go off all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► and the staff there knows whether it's serious or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► and there's tons of false positives in the thing that differentiates a false positive from time for doctors to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► You know on fire is that trained medical professionals who know what can be disregarded and what can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► and what's an equipment to function and what's the sense of the just slipped off and what's a serious situation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► You know and I guess that spent a lot of time a household [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► but I spent enough time to know that big things going off in the beginning started freaking you out until you realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► that they didn't go all the time and only some small percentage of the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► Does it mean anything and what it does mean something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► Hopefully you know the doctors and nurses are on it but the rest of the time the doctors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► or nurses are resetting the thing turning the thing off recalibrating thing reattaching something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1255">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► and that is goes to show how much humans are a factor in this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► and how little automated devices even hospital grade automated devices can do on their own. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1265">TS</a>]
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00:23:35 ◼ ► Aperture and i Photo are dead and being replaced by cloud photos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► Any thoughts on this from somebody who actually pays attention to photography which I am not that person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► What do you guys use. Let's start with that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1426">TS</a>]
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00:23:52 ◼ ► but I felt like even from my photo collection pre children although it goes back to like two thousand and two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► or something like. It was really slow. Like really really slow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► And so I tried to buy into using that as my photo management application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► and then it took me all of a couple weeks to revert back to using the file system that system is not going to scale. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► Once your child gets tired of using these views I thought oh an aperture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► and I think I had a demo of Lightroom installed for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► and I always had going back I thought of this by the fact that it's gotten worse and worse over the years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► and drives me insane for two reasons one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► I invest a lot I have invested a lot of time in adding method is my photos in i Photo any I know aperture shares [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► library and all that other good stuff but the features that I use most frequently either aren't in Aperture now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► Years ago when I continued on this path like face recognition came first I thought Oh is that even an aperture yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► I believe they brought over all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1497">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► and like like a point one update the photo books the slide shows all the silly consumer grade things they put in I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► photo we use them not frequently but every once in a while it's nice to have them there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► and again with that with the library sharing it's probably not that big of a deal basically we've just sunk so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► hours and so much time and I've got all my photos are not a photo they're organized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► and they're they're rated mostly keyword did all sorts of other stuff and I just don't do any adjustments of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► and I have no idea what I'm doing in aperture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► or Lightroom my photos aren't that good quality anyway because I don't really have a real camera. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► So yeah I have been i Photo for ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► and that's where all the coaches are so I've actually used all of these things before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► and spend it like beyond just like using it for like a day or two. I started out with all i Photo. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► Then I tried aperture. I was all i Photo through my my first S.L.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► Phase for three or four years and I switched over to light room. I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1553">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► Tablature first for about a year and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► or two years then Lightroom then back to aperture then back to light room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► and each one was like you know a six month interval there at the end. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► And now I've been a light room for a couple years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► and they've all driven me crazy in different ways none of them are great solutions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► and you know the situation is not great either. You know Guy was situation pre eight with the Photos app on i O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► Being as kind as browser that could do very little on the camera. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► Being kind of half integrated into it and then the separate i Photo aperture. I don't know anybody used by for an i O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► S. I tried it briefly and it was so so clunky and terrible to me that I I couldn't stand it but on the desktop. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► These programs have all had issues. They've all driven me nuts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► I Photo was by far the least aggravating for the longest time in that if you want to do pretty passive management of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1612">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► your photos like you know what I don't I don't want to create albums and sets and tags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► and keywords I just want to import everything I'm able to browse quickly that's it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► I know this is not maybe as common as as other people think I don't know. I've never use meditative features at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► I tag all the faces and i Photo when that came out and I never look at them again so that was a waste of time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► I Photo has always been the simplest because it didn't require much organization and you could browse quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► Aperture has always had the by far the worst performance of any of these things even like even on a macro even with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► Average or performance is always been much lower for me then Lightroom or i Photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► and even like in a fairly recent update like two years ago which for apertures recent because no one ever works on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1673">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► But in a fairly recent data aperture they even did the thing where you could merge the library where aperture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► and I sort of could share the same library which is an interesting move. Even that didn't make aperture fast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► It Like It's always been very very slow just browsing through collection of stuff and it's also been very buggy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► and I tried a lot of different versions of aperture can ever knew it would come out all the after fans say oh they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► finally made it better. So I go back and try again and it was never really that much better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► It's like desktop Linux everyone always says it's better now go try it again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► and it never really is like this not not meaningfully enough to people who don't use it every day to really see that of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► oh no this is still annoying the crap out of me and having these weird bugs and we have performance issues. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► Lightroom has by far the best performance and the best stability compared to other apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► and although honestly I found Abner's interface clunky as well even I thought it likely that while I was still trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► and I spoke about you occasionally it does seem like every release was worse than the last one they did something a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► like the thing they do to try to make it easier. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► Usually end up making it clear which you wouldn't expect but that's that's been the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► and so I've tried all these apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► and only the Apple apps have the integration with the i OS devices so if your if your I WAS device user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► and you want nice sync between all these things only aperture and i Photo have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► and Lightroom has they were recent to their own same platform for Adobe's had a weird history with us first a launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► Adobe rebel about two years ago I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► and it was a good idea in fact a lot of a lot of the stuff that that the new photos cloud thing is doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► but it was a weird it was a weird combo with weird limitations that was never very well marketed it was very clear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► it was not a top priority for Adobe. So then Lightroom cloud was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1793">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► Or the current wiring public or mobile whatever their labor release to sink a product like two months ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► and you could you had to manually drag over things that were saying it would not sink your whole library it wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► even let you sink a smart album so you couldn't do a trick we say I will just sink everything for the last six years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► you know couldn't even do that you have to mentally select what got sent which kind of ruins the way I want to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► and what I want is what Apple is giving us now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► I am sad that aperture is going away in the sense that there's going to be less competition for Lightroom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► but there wasn't that much to begin with because aperture was so badly maintained by Apple it hardly ever got new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► releases. It rarely got new features. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► Didn't I know this is probably some people consider this minor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► but does it even have lens profiles for cameras like remember that a couple years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► and it's such an incredibly good feature because you don't realize how distorted your camera is until you click on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► checkbox that applies the lens for if I who like oh I people say No didn't get it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1854">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► Lens profiles give kind of a shame that like now that aperture define the category with an avatar essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► popularized a category of application that previously was only used by professional photographers it sort of prosumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► because Is that like when we were talking about aperture and Twitter and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► and everyone was traveling in with the names of applications I never heard of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► Probably because they're used by pro for TOG reverse and aperture was like prosumer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► Oh here's an application like the one the president was probably nicer because it's made by Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► and doesn't have any weird you know it's not made by some weird company that sells a small number of companies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► will it's going to be friendly it's going to be prosumer but it fulfills the same role [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► and then Lightroom said that's a great no apple but here is how you actually do it up and make it so right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► and an aperture was just relentless in its updates and like new cameras we come out with crazy new raw formats. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► I mean yeah yeah obviously like new cameras that would come out creating new raw formats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► and Lightroom would be aperture to support it all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► Every single one and often by like weeks or months it was often a pretty big pretty big difference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► And and just you know that the processing engine like I always liked and I was torn. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► One of the reasons I can switch back and forth. I always liked the results I got from aperture editing and aperture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► I added some of my favorite pictures in it but light room and editing controls are better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► I was really very very impressed with the output of aperture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► but I hated every part of getting their work of light room. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► It's now like the tools are much more advanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► and they've slowly like made it a little bit more artsy rather than like you know analytical and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► and so that they're improving on that front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► but the biggest problem with these apps that's always been the case with Aperture and Lightroom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► and I know there's other apps out there like my wife uses bridge in fact Casey for the same reason for she she likes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► the file system approach we have a kid we have many pictures of the kid and she's in the file system John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► but because Bridge is a come to photoshop and it's basically light rooms editing controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► or rather light rooms really bridges and drills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► but regardless it's light rooms editing controls all the same tools even the same name just with a different skin in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► way that operator up in the file system so it's more of like a fancy image browser that just browse your folders on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► your desk but can do these operations to them anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► The problem with these apps is that you have like the professional workflow stuff like if you're doing shoots for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► clients these are not your personal photos you don't want to keep one giant library of every photo you've ever shot for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► Merge them with the photos of your dog that's you know that doesn't really make sense doesn't it work differently scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► and so Photoshop and I mean Lightroom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► and aperture were both built to address this market of professionals who do shoot with these big you know these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► collections these big sets you have to bring into your library and manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► and I mean a major story can different create. You way isn't everything that's what they're for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► There's also this entire community of people like us people who might buy an S.L.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► or A fancy camera and want to really advance editing controls for making our photos look good after we take them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► or you know fancy raw controls or you know things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► or are handling rather And you know a lot of editing controls. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► There's people like us who want that power the power of those editing tools who don't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► or necessarily even want that crazy Frova toggle for workflow and storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► and collection management that these apps bring and kind of force you to use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► I've photo actually has a very it has always had a very small amount of raw options in the way it used to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► and please check correct me if I'm wrong with a new version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► but the way it used to work the first editor off OTOH you would actually have lost us raw controls there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► and you could make great judgment that it wouldn't really indicate that it had a little raw badge in the corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► but you were doing it like it wasn't like importing Japan operating on that you were actually working on the raw first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► But as soon as you exited that first edit it would it would write the changes it would bake them into into the J.P.G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► Preview and you'd never have a lot of editing on a file after that unless you totally reverted back to original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► and reprocessed it and so i Photo had these like half assed RAW editing controls. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► It looks it looks through almost all of almost all the hints without almost all in for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► and if you look at the articles that reported on the apertures being discontinued they all came with this additional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► screen shot of the Photos app that we haven't seen before that wasn't in the queue No the show's controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► and things that weren't in the keynote and it looks a lot like aperture and Lightroom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► It looks like it has a ton of editing controls in the right hand column really advanced beyond what you normally get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► I photo and looks like the same kind of stuff you get an aperture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► and Lightroom it sure looks like what they've really done here is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2155">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► Now we will have the simplified management of my photo and all the convenience of the files being sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► and being part of our official photo library on our Macs and i Phones and i Pads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► and it looks like they've finally given they've finally given i Photo or the new photos after other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► but they finally brought those prolife editing tools into the consumer level photo management app which is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► we've never had before you know as in i Photo used to have kind of half assed version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► but it sure looks like they're giving us exactly what people like us want this is not would prefer talk refers really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► need but it certainly is what people like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► and you guys need you know where it's still a consumer app it's going to have simple management I'm sure probably very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► similar guy was photos but it has all these events controls and that to me. I'm very excited about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► I don't think I'm going to stop using Lightroom but I might like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► It looks like it's good enough that I that it might be it might be good enough for me drop Leitrim entirely of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► editing and trolls the big thing they were sharing in the keynote was you know not just prosumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► but going down to consumer level when consumers are faced with the actual controls available in Aperture labour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► and they have no idea what to do. I don't know what to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► Like it's just too complicated there's too much involved you're never going to get anything right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► So that's why I thought it has a big red button called enhance that tries to do something reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► and that's got a few tweaks for you know a few other minor controls the photo that was trying to make a father it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► like we're going to sort of kind of expose all the crazy controls you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2247">TS</a>]
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00:37:33 ◼ ► or a slider that says please make picture better now into along some axes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2253">TS</a>]
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00:37:51 ◼ ► and they know this is a big red enhanced button is also the other end of the spectrum. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► It's not good enough they want to give you some with all these pictures a little bit to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2276">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► This picture was a little bit underexposed like if you can get a few basic concepts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► and then grab ahold of one of those sliders. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► They will do sophisticated stuff behind the cover that involves adjusting a hundred flyers to try to get you something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► nice and this is moving farther and farther away from professionals and towards the realm of consumers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► But trying to make it useful you know like if we give a speech to a pro they can make it look better than you ever will. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► But how close can we get you without teaching you really anything but some basic concepts about photography. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► And did you see the larger screen shot this on put in the chat room. Yeah yeah confirms I think pretty much everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► It's hard to see in this picture but actually almost looks kind of light roomy in terms of like the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2316">TS</a>]
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00:38:46 ◼ ► But it so I made I made a list of pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► and cons for the Photos app that's going to be replacing this from my perspective because despite all the editing stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► you just talked about I think most people don't edit their photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► and most people I mean at the big red enhanced button I bet most people don't even crop their photos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2337">TS</a>]
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00:39:13 ◼ ► and i Photo is the reason I had all this meditative is for organizational purposes so that I can do things like as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► have so many damn pictures so I can do things like three plus stars featuring my daughter from Long Island in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► and that will give me like seven photos if I wanted to make a calendar page for printing out a family calendar a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► pictures of my daughter from on the beach in that time and how do I get to do that out of my thousands and thousands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► and thousands of photos because I rate every single one of them because I keyword them because I make sure the face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► recognition works so that I can do smart searches and smart albums that very quickly give me the seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► or eight good pictures out of the hundreds or thousands that I took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2389">TS</a>]
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00:40:07 ◼ ► right solution I'm saying that's what I've done but I get what I think actually before I get a member of the cons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► and I think the correct solution for the Photos app is dump all the photos into one big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► and give people like me the ability to like not the I was a you can use Facebook's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► but I think that's something people do. People take a bunch of photos. People can go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2420">TS</a>]
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00:40:28 ◼ ► want to look at the pictures they took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2428">TS</a>]
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00:40:34 ◼ ► all that's a good one and if they had a little button that would you know dude like or star or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► Then at the end of their vacation one percent of their photos or two percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► or depending how how kind they are to themselves have little stars in them and then in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► when they want to show me all the good pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► and a vacation that I want to go through thousand pictures to show me the ones that I said were good that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► binary good bad type thing where you don't say bad to just say Good maybe the bad option to I guess put in the trash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► or whatever is their parking lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► but the thing is so let me use myself as a quote unquote normal in so far as I take pictures only with my i Phone We [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► have no point and shoot other than that we have no S.L.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► I know that all probably change when sprouts here but nevertheless as it is today we only have our i Phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2472">TS</a>]
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00:41:26 ◼ ► and I think that I might want to capture that moment and it goes into my photos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2486">TS</a>]
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00:41:33 ◼ ► and then every couple of months I remember that I should probably take this off my phone I hook up Image Capture I hook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► it up to the macron image capture dump everything into one folder and never look at it again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► And these programs that are going to stream Lee important to me yet I never ever look at them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2506">TS</a>]
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00:41:53 ◼ ► People are going to want to see pictures of your child and that you're going to be faced with the problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2513">TS</a>]
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00:42:09 ◼ ► and you want to distribute them so you will be faced with some kind of sorting problem because you have way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► pictures then you have of yourself in your way because you'll take a million pictures your kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► and the people who want them. But people don't want to million they just want that one or two good ones right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► So you will be faced with that task eventually of of having vastly increased volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► but also having the task before you to come up with two or three good ones and you going to want to visit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2548">TS</a>]
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00:42:35 ◼ ► but I think if it's again sitting here now very ignorant because I don't know what it's like to be a parent yet I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2555">TS</a>]
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00:42:48 ◼ ► When did sprout look cute. When do I remember taking a good picture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► What day was that he building his memories going to work after the child gets here so honestly I think that's what most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2573">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► people do I think most people they did they just browse on a timeline that's that's all I do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► Yeah the time the family gets big I mean like I said I don't I'm not saying people need to be reading each individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► on a cropping and I'm saying even like when people put stuff on Facebook people like other people's photos on Facebook. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► People say yes that is a good picture No that is not a go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► but just a binary that little binary thing because every picture on Facebook gets one or two likes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► But individual people don't like every single photo they see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► So too with their own pictures if you look at them at all ever is not too much to ask oh oh that's a cute one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► And just a quick little thing like people fave tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► or growl at the same thing you know to people who read all the tourist we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► but sometimes they see one of my favorite I think that is the appropriate level of granularity for sorting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► but then I'm with you in the funny thing is I actually believe in having the meditator which is what I did in that two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► months that I spent or whatever was with I with i Phone and i tried to create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► and generate all that meditating so I could do exactly what you're describing in the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2636">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► Thought of being able to say Oh the picture of Erin that I liked when we were at some friend's wedding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► and getting there instantly. That sounds extremely appealing to me it really does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2645">TS</a>]
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00:44:17 ◼ ► to action as an example I was using keyword in the very basis action is assumed to keyword each of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2657">TS</a>]
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00:44:26 ◼ ► Aaron in them to face that action will narrow that down for you it's not going to be a hundred percent effective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► but look at all the work it's you don't have to categorize pictures of having iron in them or not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► Program probably got to the point where it can favor things for you in terms of framing and composition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► and whether it's in focus or not. You know that that's that's where they're trying to get there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► Well what Apple is trying to do is make it so that normal people can have the photo experience that I have through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► diligent work that I put into my photo Larry I don't think that's it I think they're I think they're trying to adapt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► from a world of people hoping to use it like you and usually not and failing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► They're trying to adapt from that world to the way people actually use their photo libraries today I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► but they want them to have the they wanted to have the advantages that I have without the work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► Same thing same thing with the editing they want them to be able to edit photos kind of sort of like a pro without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► knowing anything the pros know they want them to be able to find their photos quickly the ones they like without having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► to put any work into organizing them and saying which ones are good and putting them into the albums [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► and doing all the stuff that's that's about all there things are toys they want you to have powerful features without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► All right so what do you pros and cons for this from my perspective I was is an eye for a user. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► So we already touch a lot of these pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► but just to go on Lester so full cloud backup of everything assuming you pay enough money that's the point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► but they seem to be saying is all your photos will be everywhere will take care of the all the in the cloud they'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► full resolution Assuming you pass enough money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2757">TS</a>]
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00:46:03 ◼ ► and the pricing is not outside my price range I would call that a pro because right now I have to roll my own solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► for that whereas in the system I would need to know one device has to hold all your photos so if my mac isn't big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► enough to hold my photo library if my phone isn't picking up the home I felt a lot better to me it doesn't matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► They don't all need to be in any one device. They're all in the cloud. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► Some subset of on them is on your devices you don't worry about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2784">TS</a>]
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00:46:33 ◼ ► phone if you scroll back to you know ninety ninety six you should still be able to browse through there even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2793">TS</a>]
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00:46:43 ◼ ► whole promise of the system getting us out of individual applications of like that presumably at it show up everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► and so if you crop a photo on your phone if you crapped on your mac if you crop it on your i Pad wherever you do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► work to it that it will show up everywhere you know I cropped it on my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► but the version on my for library isn't cropped or the one in photo stream is crop of the one of my library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► and I go also these all these were things like that presumably would show up everywhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► And also presumably organizational changes that show but if they have a concept of an album [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2826">TS</a>]
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00:47:20 ◼ ► when your i Pad You know that's that's the dream of this arrangement of being divorced from a program that lives in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► place that has a library that's in a folder or in some big you know bundle thing or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► Now on the console I had the one I mean I think of it how do I make a backup of this how do I make a local backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► because of all my photos are on my mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► and all my photos are on my i Pod know my photos are on on my you know i Pad What if I want to have a hard drive in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► house or even just do a like my own online backup to back later whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► How do I do that how do I make a backup of this or am I out of the picture on that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► and I'm sorry you're not allowed to have a backup. And that leads into the second con which is what's my recourse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► Pictures disappear so I buy into the system. Upload all my stuff all my pictures are in the cloud. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► Some subset of them is all my devices and I try to go back to some pictures from you know two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► and four that I know you know we took a beach vacation and I can't find them or they're there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► and they're all blank white they're all scrambled over what is my recourse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► I don't have a local backup remember and now they're all screwed up or were they all spun duplicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► and have three of every picture I have to go through manually delete them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► What is my Reset How do I start over if I don't have a local backup. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► This is like reliability basically saying do I trust Apple to be the cloud storage for all my photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► and I clearly I don't. How severely will the organizational tools that I happen to use be curtailed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► I presume they will curtail organizational tools because you know like I said most people don't use have any tools why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► would they include them in the Photos app ratings keywords albums faces events like all these things all these concepts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► of the DIS and I thought Oh I imagine almost all of them would be gone in photos and that's fine for most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2935">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► but it's not good for me because I put a lot of time and effort into those and what happens that data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► when you know how well I import my existing our photo library into the system will there be a way for me to do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► Even just saying stuff like crops like I spent a lot of cropping pictures that I like like that's not a big complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► at it is that something to lose all my crops are going to be gone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► Will there be a migration path from my photo into this thing that maintained as much as mine that it is possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2962">TS</a>]
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00:49:39 ◼ ► but if some of these cons can't be addressed I don't know what I'm going to do because I I mean particularly about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► backup thing I want to have an out if this thing gets flaky or screws up my pictures in some way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2983">TS</a>]
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00:49:56 ◼ ► doesn't run anymore. Try to maintain two copies of everything one of my phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/2996">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► Our library when this cloud thing and I am I'm very nervous about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► Well why can't you just do image capture like I do and put that somewhere that gets backed up everywhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► But then they wouldn't be in the cloud thing like how if I want to buy into this this photo's thing like I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► idea of having access to my one photo library everywhere without having to have like literally five hundred gigabytes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► of photos attached to every Macin my house and on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► and you know I can't fit it on any of my US devices like I want to see my photos from everywhere I want to have one big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► shared library that everyone can see or at least the same Apple I.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► and Every system can see this getting the family sharing thing that drives you nuts but we're not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► I'm with you I'm saying maybe even just leave the pictures on your i Phone if you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► or the I don't know I don't know what you would do with an S.L.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► but In addition to whatever the normal procedure is for the new way to handle photos also take all the pictures dump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3047">TS</a>]
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00:51:20 ◼ ► Pegs Yes that also has all the associated meditator with all this stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3080">TS</a>]
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00:52:31 ◼ ► I think these are my pros and cons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► but like even for things like contacts contacts that the entirety of people's contact is probably the size of one photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3152">TS</a>]
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00:53:01 ◼ ► available in all places contacts are less precious than photos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3181">TS</a>]
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00:53:10 ◼ ► or anything else just the concept of I've taken a photo exists or doesn't exist and it is accessible everywhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3190">TS</a>]
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00:54:15 ◼ ► into stuff and then you know photos maybe some documents here and there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3255">TS</a>]
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00:55:18 ◼ ► and that's something that people almost always but that's their number one regret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► when I have data loss they lost their photos from you know X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► Time interval or this entire kid's existence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3325">TS</a>]
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00:55:33 ◼ ► times we all want this we all want we all want it to be to someone to take care of photos what I'm saying now is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► that I think it's a bad idea for our photos to be in a cloud is that I want someone to take care my photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► and I'm not sure that Apple is the one that I trust and even like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3343">TS</a>]
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00:55:52 ◼ ► your photos but they I was not in trusting my first ever pics because I still had by I photo lab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3352">TS</a>]
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00:56:01 ◼ ► It's the scariest of saying not only is Apple volunteering to take care of your photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► and not only do you hope Apple's going to do this right but your photos won't be anyplace else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3366">TS</a>]
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00:57:11 ◼ ► they're even doing this at all that they're having the guts to say they're putting all their eggs on the aperture gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3431">TS</a>]
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00:57:22 ◼ ► and I think I totally agree with you that it is very important like how they implement the mac client things like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► Is there an option somewhere to say always store my entire library on this computer so you could do things like have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► like maintain your own backups because you know look I mean it's important to I as much as I put a lot of faith in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3458">TS</a>]
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00:57:50 ◼ ► and I wouldn't use a photo system the didn't give me that option to easily and reasonably do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3470">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► Very important and I hope Apple knows that when they are implying this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► and this may be one of the things where it might get worse before get the better you know maybe Version one might not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► have much of that visibility or might not have the right limits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► or the right options rather well like you said like the people who care about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► and I wouldn't blame Apple for never having that feature in there is just that they just they need to get it right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► the rest of it like they're the big thing is there needs to be some recourse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► Say something goes we'll all your pictures are black like mine or in photo stream for a while. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► Or like you just get a bunch of black squares that are the right aspect ratios in the right sizes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► What do what do I do in that case that I just stare at it and hope to do I'd like to leave the photosphere install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► or do I delete all my log of those and rethink them like I have very credible things and I kept coming back black. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► What do I do at that point and if that was the only place my photos are I'd be freaking out right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3527">TS</a>]
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00:58:58 ◼ ► or give people some kind of tool to fix it when it's not getting it right all the time is preferable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3538">TS</a>]
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00:59:20 ◼ ► computer the the way I would always do it would be to actually move the entire directory over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3560">TS</a>]
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01:00:06 ◼ ► or just hold down the option to you when you launch a photo if you don't know about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/3606">TS</a>]
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01:13:19 ◼ ► replied that oh how often do you plug unplug things who really cares. It's not to hard to wedge your fingers in there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► If they rotated ninety degrees it will be more expensive in all sorts of other things like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► And I mostly didn't pursue these avenues except for the most expensive more expensive ones so I look at I really want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► to I think to tear down to see what the heck was going on inside there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► And that's another link in the notes and it turns out that the ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► but should not be surprising anybody who has seen one of these towers or the new macro. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► The ports are already at forty five degree angles coming off of the printed circuit board. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► So there are obviously expense is not this is not like what's the cheapest way we can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4435">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► These ports pop out of this board dishonor man they're already coming out of the forty five degree angle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► and they're coming out of the forty five degree angle with the contacts running I don't know how to explain this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► The distance from each contact to the printed circuit board is different so the contact closest to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► when you're looking at the printed circuit board flat is much longer than the contact closest to the board because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► and I know that way if they were rotated ninety degrees as suggested it seems to me that if anything it would either be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► or cheaper to mount in that way because then all the contacts from the connectors have equal distances to the board. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► But who knows maybe the same process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► but the point is that this device was not designed with cost concerns you look at how it was constructed it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► like the mac pro unlike the hard drive on an angle in the middle with the fins in Mercer a chimney type effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► and it is it's a very fancy design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► and is not made to be the cheapest possible thing to manufacture inside it looks fairly expensive so I'm not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4493">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► You're back to write so if it's not of course isn't there why are these things vertical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► and I really do you think it looks better when they are vertical. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► It's symmetrical if you were to divide the device in half vertically if you were to draw a straight line down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► middle of these ports and split in half. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► and left side whereas at the ports were sideways the rest of the device to be very clear symmetrical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► but then the ports would not be one half would have the little flanges one F. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► Wouldn't have it and this is not that big a deal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► But it's emblematic of the line that I think the modern apple crosses many other times I put a couple examples other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► examples to show notes that I've complained about previously on the show. The MacBook keyboards. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► This is a little bit economics too so you can throw Tim Cook under the bus for this one as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► and why did back in the day the seventeen inch one have the exact same keyboard as the smaller model. Makes no sense. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► There's no reason that the current fifteen inch MacBook Air can afford size Archy's Oh there's a reason because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► want to use the same. Exactly where they do on all the other mac books and on the areas that matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► There's an economy of scale there but it's also making the larger product worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► Most charitably to save money and lease charitably. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► Because if you put forth as our piece in the keyboard would be symmetrical any more and it looks ugly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► So that's why I didn't have false Isaac He's the little inverted T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► Would be on one side but not in the other or any sort of key type arrangement to try to get a reasonable inverted T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► In there would necessarily bump out somewhere or push another he's around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► or otherwise be awkward ports on the back of the IMAX. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► It's great being able to plug things in the front of my old style power macro universe have to bend down a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► when you want to plug something in quickly is great the I'm a little bored in the back because it's prettier every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► you want to play something you can dig around back where it is not comfortable it's not a good experience. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► That's actually one of the frequent annoyances that the new macro is that there isn't. I don't have to front U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► Ports anymore and I use this all the time on my old macro and and the new one if I want a U.S.B. Port. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► I need to turn the thing around and go to the back and get fingerprints all over it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► and it's not nearly as useful as having them right there on the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► but I recognize that it would it would not look as good if it had U.S.B. Ports on the front side. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► Now that's a little bit of a size constraint to that machine so much smaller that so many things become O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► The answer is that I have a breakout box and so you could have a little break out U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► and stick them on your desk somewhere like that's always the answer for that tiny little macros all you can fit inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► and you can fit it on but you can connect the cable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► and then have a peripheral I give it a little bit of an out for the sizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► but it's similar in your mentioning how weird it is to try to plug things into the back of it like are the ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► aligned along a line that goes through the center of the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► or are they I don't even know the answer that you can tell me are they are the ports parallel to each other in the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► rows or are they all perpendicular to the horizontal surface of the. It's perpendicular to a tangent of the circle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4673">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► I don't think you mean However the the surface that the ports are on is curved with the case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► Right but what are the ports like our other two U.S.B. Ports parallel to each other. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► If you would extend lines out along the U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► Ports would they be parallel to each other with WOULD THEY lines intersect they would diverge two U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► Ports are pointed in different directions yet because they follow the curvature right so that you could make the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► Ports both exactly like flatting going forward instead they both go towards the center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► and so you have to sort of calculate the angle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► when you're pulling in back there are two cables jut out of it at angles instead of driving up stream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► and other parts feel the same to you have like you have to turn around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► and look because like all the ports are almost the same size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► and all feel the same like you have your THE for you as B.'s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► and the six hundred volts right next to each other everything is very close to each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► and so it's not made to be done blindly I want to share I'm saying the U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► Ports are parallel we're all using the wrong terms I'm visualizing the right thing in my head about it anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► What we're saying is that if you took that U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► Port and put a really really hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► and just tunnel through the device in exactly the direction of the port it was at the center of the mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► and that's true for both of the ports and they would in effect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► That's correct yes and if you plug in if people didn't you cable to them that were not flexible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► or were just straight rods they would form diverging line right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► and so everything from parallel as the other option that could have gone with this of the U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► And if you were to extend cables out from them forever perfectly stiff they were never at each other that's what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► talking about. Anyway I don't know that's a compromise for aesthetics but you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► The ports in the back of the IMAX stand out because they are making such a massive machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► and it's supposed to be a home machine it's the type of thing that people might plug and unplug things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► but they had to be and I was going to Cuba that's kind of a low blow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► Where are the portraits not only on the back but underneath on the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► and it was super hard to get those because they look better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► and the final I put in there was Iowa seven buns I mean they got rid of the button outline because. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4794">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► Look nicer but then it wasn't always clear whether something was a button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► and I'm not saying these are like fatal flaws in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► or that they're always over this line I'm saying there is a line and you have to decide where in that line you fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► and I feel like my opinion of good design is closer to usability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► or at the usability side of the spectrum in that in the challenge in the tension between aesthetic amusedly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► appreciate the aesthetics I like that they are pretty but I'm not just designing them in a lab and looking at plans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► and looking at the beautiful Polish fingerprint for a thing on a pedestal and saying My work is done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► I'm using the things every day and that's where the aesthetics start to fade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► and not so much as I don't want some ugly P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► Tower like I like the aesthetic I like having beautiful things on my desk they make me feel better to have nice things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► like a marker you talked about looking your little macro makes you happy to have that thing there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► but there is that there there's a line between that and use a billion fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► and how much do you value that niceness over difficulty of getting of the ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:59 ◼ ► and you know on the other one I want to mention that the edges of the mac books that used to be super sharp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4859">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► when they were university things and you're not supposed to rest the rest please everybody if you're resting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► or rest on something when you type do not rest your ass but the dominant people do occasionally restaurants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► and it was way too sharp and why because it looked really nice it really did look very elegant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► but there's a line there and it's like that I mean it took the edge off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:21 ◼ ► and later models it is OK with not quite make it that show I still think it's a little bit over the line in terms of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► looks like a beautiful piece of sculpture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► but it's not quite as pleasing to handle as it would be if it was a little bit more rounded over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► But anyway these are just a couple examples I'm sure people come with their own I did feel like that this balance that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► we have a difference of opinion if I ever got to interview Johnny Ive this is all I were talking about is how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► manage a tension between as statics and usability and why are you so wrong in all these cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► and would be a great interview you would love it. I think everyone else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► No never talked to him about design it's a shame we're going to get interviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► and they just talk to him in a way that he can speak in generalities No never I mean that's not an interview. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4916">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► So I'm a terrible interviewer like an interview if you let the interviewer talk about things you don't have an axe to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► grind with them but anyway yours is an interrogation you're more of an interrogation style less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► and this is why I don't give you people but anyway I think I would enjoy it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► I think honestly most people would enjoy listening to interrogation of those who would not enjoy being interrogated I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► think it would be a fruitful discussion because I'm sure he has reasons behind all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► and it's not like one is like totally wrong and one is fully right is just where do we draw that line and why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► And I mean maybe I'm alone in thinking that that I have is a little bit farther on the aesthetics towards the aesthetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► spectrum that I think most people are like we all love aesthetics we all love beautiful Max We all love our beautiful i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► OS devices we obviously value aesthetics probably way more than the average person we're willing to pay all this money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► for it like in just the hardware the software everything like we place value on this is just that there is sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► just seems to go a little bit too far and in the end one little tiny area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► and you feel like I would give up that little aesthetic lurch I would give up perfectly symmetrical ports just turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► ninety degrees even if I don't unplug unplug the things that three times a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► when I have to reach back there to unplug something it drives me nuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► and I salvage I just kind of rotated ninety degrees. I never look at the back of the thing anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► It would make life so much easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► and he would be tasked with defending the beauty of the symmetrical arrangement of something that people don't look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► and doesn't give them as much joy as say a super shiny mac protest. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► Well also like oh Johnny could you maybe add more than three Eastern ports like really on the top of the line wireless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► router I don't think he's taken that I'm not going to blame him for the number of parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► but it's like you know like you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► and this is part of design you have to consider design in practice in real life what people actually do apply design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► and the reality is if you only have three even at ports a lot of people are going to ruin your awesome design of putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► a big fat ugly switch right next to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► Similar thing with the MacPro like if you don't build enough stuff people use or enough storage capacity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5035">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► Enough things enough capabilities you're going to have this beautiful metal cylinder next to the crappiest blue L.E.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► Hub and ten thousand Thunderball enclosures and drive enclosures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► and all this crap that ruins a design like that that the To me that's actually a design flaw if you're making a design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► that doesn't account for real life and in a real life it will be it will simply become worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► and they want to think of these designers desks I think has even mentioned one of the John absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► but here's someone else when I think of their desk I think of them arranging their beautifully designed products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► and the number like that they would buy special white cables to exactly for this they would arrange just meant they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:40 ◼ ► would just have their their mac book and they would probably not even have a cable to a big display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5080">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► and maybe like these two beautiful little speakers like what they would do is say if this doesn't have enough ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► and it doesn't have any items then I don't want it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► Because having that item would destroy the aesthetic purity of this static value not purity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► but like just that that this is a beautiful arrangement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5096">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► and I would really like it if I could have an extra hard drive or more U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► Ports but I do not want that feature enough to take an ugly U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► and shove it on here you know that's that's where they're drawing the line they say maybe it would be nice to have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► U.S.B. Ports but I'm willing to forego the U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► Ports to have a nicer desk arrangement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► and I make a different value judgement for my desk I will say I would rather have the U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► Port despite the fact that I can't stand how ugly it is like you just said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► And at that point then you revisit and why doesn't help so if you use the ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► or why does it have to view them as far as maybe that's a cost thing maybe it's a feature thing or whatever like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► but those are the trails even given the size of a lot of the mac books like this fifteen inch Retina MacBook Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► probably had room for one more U.S.B. Port on the side it would really make my life easier. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► Again you can't tell if that's caused concern or space constraints inside there whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► but some some issues are more cut and dry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► and I think the keyboard on the fifteen inches they is probably my biggest issue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► Economics aside this is an expensive piece of hardware. Give me for size Eric you give me a different keyboard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5154">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► Well I can also see that see the benefit there of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► As a user that all the keyboards and all the Apple products are all the same keyboard like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► or they're close enough rather than rotating through my my fleet of Apple devices how many laptops to people have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► know and I'm willing to say when I'm on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► when I'm on the thirteen inch one I'll use the compact keyboard I went on this is the ones I want the expense of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► like me at that point want to just have all of your Macs have whatever the small screen any of them have because on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► your screen your engine will always be the same it's all right we should probably end the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► Thanks let two or three sponsors this week Bigloo hover and Lynda dot com and we will see you next week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► Now this show is over. It was accidental accidental. John thank you for time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5201">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► Now sitting here as I said to that list and Michael you guys. Oh you're still here. My show but still up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► My father said it died I saw a message in a chat room like an hour ago that said it was down there crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► and it didn't have any did it and then there is a just like they're empty. No it's real. It's their marriage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5276">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► You don't give me any respect I am loading the page now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► but I'm going to see that we're connecting in a really big font. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► We're going to matter what I was going to see the loading animations of sorry sorry does of communication where I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► try to load a page and it makes me think that it thinks the O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► Is that a file descriptors for the Michael why is it waiting. This site should be fast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► Why is not opening I know the system is not out of out of scope is manifest in a different way that I've actually run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► into situations where the system has been at a file of scriptures because I run local databases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► and that happens sometimes if you don't adjust your kind of parameters and will just be sitting there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► and in the time that I'm waiting for the page to load I will copy the out of the address bar go over to crow make an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► attempt then load the web page loads instantly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► and I'll still be way anywhere now it's as list as more the blue gradient in a safari address bar is about a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► less than halfway. I still see nothing underneath the little have little now bar still waiting for it to work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5333">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► I agree I'm going to do right now I'm going to take I think this text I'm going to go over to Chrome paste in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► U.R.L. Load it says connecting titles have loaded boom done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5346">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► Let me go back as far as you know it's doing OK It's finally loaded people wonder why I want to run both Safari Ingram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► all day this is why. So now that it is survived an entire show because even if it craps out now I'm counting it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► and that's exactly what I was about to say is I think the next step is sort of what it means is No sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► but what the point of the show bought a business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► or buy votes because I wanted to make sure the show bot could leave John. I wanted light to find a way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► Can I complain about the layout again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► You can't because I don't remember I took notes on a couple of them and I did change it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► I like the Not centre line anymore but you have you have a number. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► Then sometimes you have a blue plus or minus thing that I can tell there's a control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5392">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► or something then you have a title then you have author. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5397">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► And time to the time fine whatever author seems to work the titles are OK a little bit close to votes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► but I have no idea what's in the vote come I see a number in the blue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► What is the blue plus one sometimes therefore it's to vote though this is the Johnny I have again I could not tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► but do you because you made the text blue I'm supposed to surmise this is a button I suppose I can mouse over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► and see the hand cursor as well but that is not obvious to me as a control at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► So you'd rather see like an affair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► or something I dunno something looks like a control I mean that's that's the challenge I could use to be the way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► made similar controls you drew a little puffy fake three D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► Mal and you know like you do something it was raised or bevelled or she did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► or seem to be raised you know let you do something to look like you could President [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► and in the Iowa seven thing is now just change tack scar no border needed doesn't need to be raised does need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► anything that's where it looks like based on my list and I've not yet looked it graduates list laughing at your show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► but with you has the most show about lives as number one you know it's not sordid story over the working title for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5456">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► and you'd have to have so I think we're going to have those earning as the first thing you do is buy votes no the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► thing you do is keep them here. It's like speeding correctness a new one for speed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► No I went through the thing that doesn't self destruct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► That's what I went for it so your program here really festive is not correct in your show about can be up all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► but it does not start by titles the first thing that we want to use a show bought for it doesn't help anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► Congratulations on it staying up like I said all it is our boobs. I gotta go find a few of the show notes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► Oh no it just died. Oh no really. Yeah connecting that through an error I know now it still counts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► Well I did make it through the whole show we were actually able to use the data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► Just all I'm doing this I don't know what happened it says. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5517">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► Basically try to do something on a socket that apparently was not open. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► Oh my God I had a hell of a week now it's going to I'm I'm almost ready to ship. I was going to say sold over gas. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► Where did you say heated you say you're almost ready to what now. Ship. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:19 ◼ ► OK yeah sure the pop market but he started he started the party creating it you know it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► No I'm afraid of that speaking of Yeah well it's one of those things that has to happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► Yeah I know it scares me i do it for the eighteenth birthday. Yeah. Cokie figured it out and that tends not to work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► My experience you know I think what happened is I think it was a race condition where it actually germy Banks's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:50 ◼ ► pull request God I love open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5570">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► and looking at it not having seen what he said in his poll request it looks like it was a race condition where perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► a socket disconnected but it hadn't been removed from my internal list of sockets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► Looking at the show but there were six. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► Take your co-host to work day is probably is the number one of the actually the usable I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► and not it is it isn't about the show being up there you know to show that system is not going to scale that a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► But was that in reference to what you said to Casey reference to his his photo non-management technique. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:24 ◼ ► Yeah I guess if you never look at your photos any system scales permanent trash I mean I think I like it if you never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5604">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► look at them even one time after you took them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► Why bother putting them into day to organize photos that I like the idea that you think you're going to remember like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► the year let alone the month or week that some memorable event happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► and then you're going to go to vote that you're going to go right to that folder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:47 ◼ ► and find the picture that you are that is a fantasy scenario of a young person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5627">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► I bet there's a lot of people who say they have an easy vote a man who is scheme for them right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5630">TS</a>]
01:33:58 ◼ ► Beautifully rendered trash. And then your doc. Well that's that's kind of that's my strategy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5638">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► So I have one of these scan snap scanners that everybody bought five years ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► What I did do and and so any kind of anything any paperwork I get in the mail I scan it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:13 ◼ ► and I you know I deal with it I scan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5653">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► and I shred it so I have I was I was really trying to like make this folder system where we're going to let your bills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► or go in this folder and the gas bill goes in this folder and everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► and I gave up on that like within a couple weeks now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► and since I got this thing in since a few weeks after I got this thing my system has been. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► I just scan everything into one giant folder and the filename timestamp based you know just date but it does O.C.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► The like isn't the whole point that it O.C.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► Them so you can just type the name of your gas or electric company know follow it and find them a dozen O.C.R. Them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:47 ◼ ► It doesn't by default and my mind is the five ten and it's a pretty old I think about it like two thousand and seven. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5687">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► It's pretty old and and the softer the software it came with was very very slow to O.C.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5693">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► and Was this whole separate after launch and I would quit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► and so it added too many steps to the process so I stopped doing that to a now I just have the images [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► and my my strategy is they all just get scanned into this one giant folder sorted by date. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► If I ever have to find something I just go and flip through it I flip the flip with the other keys in quick look. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► Presently the volume is lower there like the number of photos taken years lower the number of bills you get in a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► and that is where you're looking for years to an IRA comes in are you enjoying stuffing twenty thirteen you want data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:32 ◼ ► organized everything from twenty thirty and here you go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5732">TS</a>]
01:35:34 ◼ ► Right but I'm saying it's we're going to think we're like it's mostly a write only system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5734">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► It's right it's right most of the time read very occasionally and so it's so right to be quick and simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:48 ◼ ► and so it's a similar kind of thing like that's how most people I think treat their photo library where you have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5748">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► able to just add to it without any effort whatsoever even if that come. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5755">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► At the expense of if you want to find some particular one it might take you a few extra minutes because you haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► spent hours over the last few years building up this giant system of meditating and sorting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► and organizing Wilson said that actually the Iowa state has a little heart on every picture that you can just kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:16 ◼ ► going to Instagram style to save right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5776">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► and I think the next step in that would be it could be that they now don't think they have the wrong default for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► kind of in the messages were like and I was saying you have to say that you want to keep them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► What if I decided that if you didn't pay for i Cloud Storage it would still be doing the ones that you didn't hard you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:35 ◼ ► know like your pictures I mean I don't think that's the right thing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5795">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► but like because so few pictures come out well or ever need to be looked at again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► I bet most people's photo collections could be reduced by like eighty percent without any sentimental loss because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:50 ◼ ► just the huge volume of garbage pictures that people have in their collections [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5810">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► and it's like what they really care about is one or two or three good pictures of their kid every age that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5815">TS</a>]
01:37:01 ◼ ► or a particularly memorable event but not the hundreds of pictures that people end up taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5821">TS</a>]
01:37:06 ◼ ► and you know just seven shots of the of the same person within a succession like burst mode stuff like real cameras I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5826">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► mean real I mean real photographers you know have to discard that stuff because they can't keep all of it forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► and they respect I want to do good with a lot of the aperture Richter was was about based advertising I go here's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:23 ◼ ► you can pick your seven good shots out of the eight hundred you took right regular people are not that severe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5843">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► but the whole idea that you can take a lot of pictures most of them are going to be crap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► Put the little hearts on the one of the you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► and that's your tool later for if you want to thin out your set of photos. Ditch the ones with the hearts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► Oh yeah I mean totally like the few times I'll occasionally be in the mood. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:47 ◼ ► You know my photo library and I'll go back and like other that lead to whatever pictures from like a year ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5867">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► and I find this tremendous fall around like why why do I keep like eighty percent of these and I'll go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5873">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► Like hours to go through like a year with photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:02 ◼ ► and delete all the crap the blurry ones that the alternate takes that ended up using a different one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5882">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► or that you know I took three different photos of the same thing and I picked the best one to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► but I forgot to delete the other two and I can I can cut down a year photos down by eighty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:18 ◼ ► or ninety percent without really losing anything of value. Jeff I do nap but even that most people don't even do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5898">TS</a>]
01:38:25 ◼ ► I hardly even do that you know and I just talked about it like it most people never do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5905">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► A great cross-eyed scripting attack just popped up on T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► Show bot which is funny because I literally just fixed my website in like two seconds ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:40 ◼ ► A little a little alert just popped up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5920">TS</a>]
01:38:43 ◼ ► and says Page at triple W K two S dot com says you should follow me on Twitter at Jeremy banks I post rarely so much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5923">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► OK Good job Jerry banks now going to tell you that if your name wasn't likable I would take too much effort to cuff him. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:58 ◼ ► Also you just tax cases for show but he kick and I know it's down don't know I don't know if you had it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5938">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► Well it was an issue and it wasn't really a hack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► but he has survived because he's been actively trying to fix these owner abilities rather than just find them in you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► know if you can hear it I'm assuming you just paste the javascript into the titles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► and then you have to give really rendered javascript into the domino software go skating What's that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► So we got slightly side track so overcast you're pretty much ready What's the hold up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:29 ◼ ► The hold up was well you know what the hold up was Who's your on the beta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5969">TS</a>]
01:39:32 ◼ ► but I basically had a pretty sizable feature that I really decided that I wanted to add last minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5972">TS</a>]
01:39:39 ◼ ► and so I probably I had some it was almost one point of a few days ago and then I realized you know what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5979">TS</a>]
01:39:45 ◼ ► This feature I was going to lay until you know some time where I actually want to have it in one point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5985">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► So I bumped it up and I did that in a few days and so I basically only have I have probably two more betas to ship. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/5990">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► I have the next beta which is going to be like the feature complete one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:04 ◼ ► and then after that is going to be like the release candidate in old Windows problems I don't want to still using R C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6004">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► one R C two or is that only an old Windows thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:13 ◼ ► Still windows things far as I knew although I don't really keep up with that very much anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6013">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► Anyway yeah so that's that's where I am I'm I'm I'm like the build before release candidate probably going out the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:24 ◼ ► couple days. Release Candidate probably coming out later this week and then. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6024">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► Then I'll probably submit next weekend or early in the week after that I don't know and I'm very very close. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:38 ◼ ► Did you ever find that bug. Someone reported about the U.I. Showing up grey like tentacle are all gone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6038">TS</a>]
01:40:43 ◼ ► No I have been experiencing it way a plea. Yeah I I should some one time trying to find a workaround. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6043">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► You probably if you've ever used an Iowa seven device you probably are into this at least once maybe in mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► or some other like standard after use of the tint color where the tent color gets stuck as a great because what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:06 ◼ ► is when there's an alert box popped up or something like an alert box any kind of system ovulate that U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6066">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► Kit you know usefully changes the tint color on the on the background window to gray so that we all like all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► controls that have the bright color for their tint color fade into gray in the background so they don't so they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► louder than not just while looking at the solar boxes in front of them and then when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:32 ◼ ► when you cancel you cancel that box out then it goes in puts the color back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6092">TS</a>]
01:41:38 ◼ ► The problem is it doesn't always put the color back then and under certain conditions that I haven't quite figured out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6098">TS</a>]
01:41:45 ◼ ► Your team color will get stuck at Grey and not all controls will will update or it's a mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6105">TS</a>]
01:41:53 ◼ ► and it happens occasionally in overcast and it drives me nuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6113">TS</a>]
01:41:56 ◼ ► and then it doesn't recover like it if it loses if it misses that chance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6116">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► Do it like you know hang out and use a great U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:02 ◼ ► For a while like it's not going to last you like mine it's always you know waking up from sleep so you already have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6122">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► get have a second chance of doing that it's pretty to sleep again to go to another app switchback to achieve it so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:11 ◼ ► know switch back to orange. Yeah it's driving me nuts and I can't I can't figure out what to do about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6131">TS</a>]
01:42:18 ◼ ► I mean because I want the behavior I want to behave your of the Defiler radar. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6138">TS</a>]
01:42:23 ◼ ► No actually I don't think so I said I don't think the ghost of Jerry will haunt you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6143">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► Well it definitely seems like it's U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:29 ◼ ► Kit bug and I could try to work around it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:33 ◼ ► but I'm not willing to do too much of a crazy hack to do that that's that's one thing I decided early on with it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6153">TS</a>]
01:42:41 ◼ ► and so far I've stuck to it for the most part with Instapaper I would try to use crazy crazy hacks to work around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6161">TS</a>]
01:42:50 ◼ ► limitations or bugs in you I can use the limitations usually not actual bugs but it was so hard to maintain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6170">TS</a>]
01:42:56 ◼ ► and it wasn't really worth it like I would work around it to achieve like a certain transition or animation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6176">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► or feature that I that like you weren't supposed to be able to do in the A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:06 ◼ ► or You know to try to try to mimic built in apple behavior in a way that wasn't publicly exposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6186">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► and it just was never worth it even even some of the big stuff like pagination. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► Oh my God pagination was such a pile of hacks because until I was seven there was no A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:22 ◼ ► To patent a web user you had to do it manually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6202">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► and I did it a few different ways they all were horrible hacks they all work but they were all horrible hacks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:29 ◼ ► It really dramatically complicated the code and it took tons and tons of time to write and maintain all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6209">TS</a>]
01:43:36 ◼ ► and the end of the day like it wasn't that big of a deal it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6216">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► and that makes your a feature it like I thought it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:41 ◼ ► and it really wasn't so with overcast early on decided like I'm just going to avoid most of those things that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6221">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► Kit with appearance customization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:50 ◼ ► but still I'm not rewriting my own navigating intro if I'm using the built in stuff I'm hardly even doing custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6230">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► transitions anywhere I don't know if I have any cost. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6237">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► Anyway it's mostly you I could stuff because first of all one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► and I didn't want to get too bogged down all it's up to the turns out turns up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:08 ◼ ► Pod cast apps have a lot of screens and stuff. It's it's a lot more than I expected. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6248">TS</a>]
01:44:15 ◼ ► This is a this is a much larger act than Instapaper. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6255">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► That's one of the take me so long as there is just so many screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► and so much functionality that needs to be built in Considered to get what I think most people would consider like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► bare minimum nest necessary functions of a modern podcast app and so it's just tons and tons of code and interfaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:38 ◼ ► and screens and designs and strings and localization potential and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6278">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► and so I didn't want to also have this big pile of hacks that would that would make all that more complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:49 ◼ ► and it would take time that I needed to to do all the stuff in a recent time if you ask me if I ruined the surprise of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6289">TS</a>]
01:44:56 ◼ ► your color scheme you showed the gigantic icon at X O X O like a year ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6296">TS</a>]
01:45:01 ◼ ► Yeah and it's also on the Twitter bio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6301">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► and on the web page the web page even has the font I mean yeah it's it's pretty it's pretty obvious by looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► preview page you have for it on the Web site roughly what the outlook like no big deal anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► So that's where I am I'm very close. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:22 ◼ ► And I recognized by the way that this is completely ridiculous to rush to ship an app now as opposed to waiting for I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6322">TS</a>]
01:45:29 ◼ ► was eight and I've thought about this a lot because I'm going to require I was eight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6329">TS</a>]
01:45:34 ◼ ► As to there possibly can be pretty much as soon as out I'm required the reality is that's still a few months away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6334">TS</a>]
01:45:41 ◼ ► probably and we don't we don't know exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6341">TS</a>]
01:45:43 ◼ ► In my piece of timber might be October that's still a few months out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6343">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► and I really want to ship before the night you know I I'm already embarrassed it took this long I would have liked to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6346">TS</a>]
01:45:53 ◼ ► ship months ago but oh well I didn't. Now I have I'm I'm now to shippable point so I don't see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6353">TS</a>]
01:46:01 ◼ ► You know I am going to require it immediately which means that it is going to be awkward phase of I'm going to support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6361">TS</a>]
01:46:08 ◼ ► the i Phone four and the all i Pod Touches for like two months and then the cut off support for these people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6368">TS</a>]
01:46:15 ◼ ► but I I don't think there's a better way to do that while also taking full advantage of what I was a to offer so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6375">TS</a>]
01:46:23 ◼ ► You got that you just explained in the end the beta thing how you're handling that to not disappoint users correct I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6383">TS</a>]
01:46:31 ◼ ► don't want to reveal too much but yeah I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6391">TS</a>]
01:46:33 ◼ ► and I'm going to I'm going to anger people anyway I mean like there's no question why people are going to be annoyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6393">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► that that I have this app that supports these devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:42 ◼ ► and then like two months later I start to bring those devices you know that is going to annoy people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6402">TS</a>]
01:46:47 ◼ ► but I rather get it out there sooner. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6407">TS</a>]
01:46:49 ◼ ► And because right now I haven't even started I was eight stuff yet on it like I haven't written a single line of code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6409">TS</a>]
01:46:56 ◼ ► for it. I'm not even using I was a DK to build it I have I have the top of my laptop. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6416">TS</a>]
01:47:04 ◼ ► and do my main development I don't really have installed yet I haven't written any swift yet I haven't written. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6424">TS</a>]
01:47:10 ◼ ► I haven't done anything I haven't done anything with the rotation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6430">TS</a>]
01:47:13 ◼ ► or the size class stuff you know the sort of replace rotation I'm delaying all of that until I ship the IOA seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6433">TS</a>]
01:47:21 ◼ ► version and then after the seven version ships and is reasonably stable then I will start doing the version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6441">TS</a>]
01:47:28 ◼ ► and you know and try to prepare time for eight one hundred I know I know it's coming close and make it quite on time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6448">TS</a>]
01:47:33 ◼ ► but you'll be spending all your time doing the making of the U.I. Handle different size classes for the big arrival. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6453">TS</a>]
01:47:40 ◼ ► Oh yeah I mean that's totally yeah I can but I don't I don't tend to actually have like an extension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6460">TS</a>]
01:47:45 ◼ ► or anything on on day one of the most of them really sure what an extension would be immediately like there's obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6465">TS</a>]
01:47:52 ◼ ► a can do like a like an add to overcast kind of thing but I want do that right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6472">TS</a>]
01:47:57 ◼ ► And so that I'm probably not going to have it on day one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6477">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► I'm going to ship it soon is that the very short version of this very long story that goes nowhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:05 ◼ ► Now whenever you submit and you can choose not to answer this question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6485">TS</a>]
01:48:10 ◼ ► but whenever you submit are you going to hold the release for some big marketing push or just like a day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6490">TS</a>]
01:48:16 ◼ ► or two to get your stuff squared away and then let it rip. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6496">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► I'm going to set it on hold release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:22 ◼ ► but once it is releasable I don't think I would really hold back for much of anything unless like like an apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6502">TS</a>]
01:48:30 ◼ ► going to feature it they might ask me to hold it back till Thursday or whatever but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6510">TS</a>]
01:48:34 ◼ ► But I don't know that's going to happen or not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6514">TS</a>]
01:48:36 ◼ ► I would guess of time I have probably not obviously because most apps don't get featured on launch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6516">TS</a>]
01:48:41 ◼ ► Chances are I'm going to have to release it when you know when I'm ready to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6521">TS</a>]
01:48:45 ◼ ► So like I want to do something a little more on the web site I want to have like a marketing page on the site so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6525">TS</a>]
01:48:50 ◼ ► going to have to like while it's scimitar I'm going to have to write that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6530">TS</a>]
01:48:53 ◼ ► and you know if that's not done I might wait until it's done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6533">TS</a>]
01:48:55 ◼ ► but I'm not going to more than a few days to need help thinking of three things to put in the standard bootstrap our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6535">TS</a>]
01:49:01 ◼ ► layout of product marketing page three boxes. It's like powerful simple orange that's my suggestion. That's fantastic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6541">TS</a>]
01:49:13 ◼ ► Yeah I've actually I've considered marketing from the very beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6553">TS</a>]
01:49:17 ◼ ► and I have in my giant task paper document that I that's kind of my my to do list and forecasts for this app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6557">TS</a>]
01:49:25 ◼ ► I've been considering marketing the whole time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6565">TS</a>]
01:49:27 ◼ ► and so I like I've even I've even considered like what features go into one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6567">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► or don't want to want to know based on how they support my overall like strong marketing points and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:39 ◼ ► and I know I know to talk about marketing for developers is weird and sometimes even taboo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6579">TS</a>]
01:49:43 ◼ ► but it shouldn't be because it's it's kind of stupid not to consider these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6583">TS</a>]
01:49:47 ◼ ► and if you can consider these things and you can play to your strengths why not do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6587">TS</a>]
01:49:51 ◼ ► and so I have I've been considering that very strongly from the very end I'm I'm pretty sure we're going to put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6591">TS</a>]
01:49:56 ◼ ► these it's just a matter of doing it and yes this is a bootstrap site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6596">TS</a>]
01:50:00 ◼ ► We'll do the same from people one of those but it's probably going to have boxes featured in them and has a review. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6600">TS</a>]
01:50:11 ◼ ► So much I mean like I think now finally I have the outline like I have I have it all in my head of what's need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6611">TS</a>]
01:50:19 ◼ ► and you know actually not true this is the swift section I'm still trying to decide how I'm going to make it not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6619">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► ridiculous I'm trying to focus on a few things I have one of the things sort of an idea of what I'm going to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:33 ◼ ► I'm just putting off for now but the rest of the stuff they more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6633">TS</a>]
01:50:37 ◼ ► or less know what I'm going to right now I'm just thinking about like I said bother taking screenshots swayed of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6637">TS</a>]
01:50:43 ◼ ► I can't do a lot of the testing with the hand off stuff or if they're going to support the dark U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6643">TS</a>]
01:50:47 ◼ ► Like they said they were going to I just need to write I need to plow forward bravely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6647">TS</a>]
01:50:53 ◼ ► I got through the introduction though so that's good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6653">TS</a>]
01:50:55 ◼ ► They That's something it is because you have got the facts to accept it with seven I was really hoping you were going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ_wpEQ/6655">TS</a>]