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00:01:04 ◼ ► when complaining about the confusing bundle pricing as a way to do upgrades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/64">TS</a>]
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00:01:18 ◼ ► but you only want people to build upgrade from version one for two dollars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/78">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► So his strategy for this is if you reduce the first version to four dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/82">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► and make the bundle price of both of them together six dollars if someone actually buys the old app it still only cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/86">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► them a total six dollars to buy the new app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/92">TS</a>]
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00:01:44 ◼ ► and actually buys the new out for six dollars then they're out four dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/104">TS</a>]
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00:01:59 ◼ ► bought one only. For them to complete their bundle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/119">TS</a>]
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00:02:10 ◼ ► there you know it they they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/130">TS</a>]
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00:02:16 ◼ ► one for the same price you would've paid for if you bought it individually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/136">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► but they still the full price new one out there lurking is a problem with this whole thing is around about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/139">TS</a>]
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00:04:49 ◼ ► Which sounds a lot like the show but you get that you know that practice makes perfect right. Are games movies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/289">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► All right is there going to give the spoiler so I need to go away again because I genuinely honestly did not listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/298">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► that part of the show it's not going to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/303">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► Well it's not a bad journey it's about the whole is Apple said to disrupt Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/305">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► and Sony in that all conversation we had lots of people tweeted about that I know there was a whole podcast about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/310">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► that it in my queue but I haven't yet listened to that features. Ben Thompson who wrote that article. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/315">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► A bunch of the people that live in that yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/321">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► but the thought that occurred to me after we finish the show because of course I want to talk even more about the topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/324">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► that we talked about forever anyway because I like talking about games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/328">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► Was are are video games more like apps or more like movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/332">TS</a>]
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00:05:42 ◼ ► Although we didn't bring this up in the show specifically the whole computer Personal Computers are like trucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/342">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► metaphor that has been discussed that I think Steve Jobs wrote up many years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/351">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► and that you know people don't need a mac pro to post to Facebook and. Three Web sites and check your e-mail and stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/355">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► Despite the fact that the macro does all these amazing things they're probably not going to use them like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/362">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► They're the amount of technology we have in the features available far exceed what any person is ever going to want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/368">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► and that's what I say is it like apps like where I mean if it is like a computer where we know a person computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/374">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► technology is available now that is far beyond the needs of what regular people want to do with computers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/382">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► And I'm comparing that to movies where movies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/391">TS</a>]
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00:06:38 ◼ ► and bounds if you compare like a blockbuster movie if you look at it could take like even the crappiest blockbuster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/398">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► movie like Transformers or some crap like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/403">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► Back in the time back in time fifty years in show it to somebody they would not have on first viewing they would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/405">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► have been able to compute how terrible the movie was because they would just be amazed at the visuals because they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/412">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► like This is magic I don't understand where this came from this must be like an alien artifact because they wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/417">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► understand how we close this is on a screen and I think in movies anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/422">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► The mass market appetite for increasingly amazing things is not satisfied it's not like well you know once we can do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/428">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► reasonable practical facts like Raiders of the Lost Ark that's all we ever need. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/434">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► There's no upside to making a better people don't need the MacPro of movies they get by perfectly fine with the IMAX so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/438">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► we'll just leave you know stick with the feature set that develop on Raiders the Lost Ark. No need for Jurassic Park. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/444">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► No need for you know it masses in C.G.I. We have today no need for like all the C.G.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/449">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► That's used in television shows to do backdrops and stuff. Sets are fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/453">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► We've pretty much got the set I don't think that's the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/457">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► and it's not like the only people who care about just more features more technology more amazing stuff are the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/460">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► who are super into movies and the casual moviegoers alike. I don't need to practical effects are fine with me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/467">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► I think the appetite is essentially unlimited for amazing visuals and movies you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/474">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► Things on the stupidity of scripts and all the other stuff that have always been the same. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/480">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► It's not as if movies got good enough and people like now you don't need to improve them anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/483">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► and they keep trying to prove they don't mean everything they do to improve them is better three D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/486">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► Is an attempt to improve it and they may not be better maybe you don't like that higher frame rate same deal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/489">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► High Definition Television I think that's an improvement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/494">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► People do say yes we like that better than the standard that's good enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/496">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► I'm not I'm not a power user of television I don't need high definition television standards now so you see I have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/500">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► you know I go to that old saying we want a new thing and the question about video games one of them or like them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/505">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► or like the P.C. Where increasing power is like nah I don't really need that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/510">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► Or is it more like movies where there is a seemingly infinite appetite of the mass market for making them better in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/515">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► ways that involve technology and money and I think for video games so far I don't this will always be true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/522">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► but for video games so far that seem a lot more like movies to me and that any time I could will think what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/528">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► when a pocket of Pavel's Playstation for them are all set right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/534">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► No because people will still want the power that the Playstation five or six offers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/538">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► Like why will they want that well because they always want that because their appetite for better games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/542">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► and better graphics and things you know more power can do is unlimited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/546">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► and it's not like a computer where it's like you don't need all that technology in that macro you just want to check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/550">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► If you could have a vast fully realize realistic looking city with amazing draw distance is an amazing physics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/556">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► and I think people want that they don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/562">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► or care how it works they're playing the game it's much different than using the the computer to do something so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/563">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► is a factor they didn't articulate the last time we discussed this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/570">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► or that I think is definitely in play here with games in that I don't know I don't know if the appetite is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/572">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► inexhaustible but I know we haven't exhausted it yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/580">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► and that's why I think a lot of people who are saying oh you think that now but what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/583">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► when the wind park is a star of the Play Station four then it will then they'll be no more market for four hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/586">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► I think the reason we people keep buying for underdog game things is because their appetite for better visuals. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/592">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► Better gameplay and better physics and just you know better games period is insatiable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/600">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► It is not satisfied we never get to the point where games are good enough and then it just stops and stays that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/605">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► There's always something more you can do you just first tutti John written stuff like that you can always do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/611">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► more with more technology with more memory with more centers and more you know who knows what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/616">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► So that more than anything I think is going to keep the four hundred boxes alive for much longer than I think people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/621">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► think. I see I'm not so sure. As an example. So we have a forty inch T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/627">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► At home and we need it does support anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/633">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► but the difference to me between seven thousand nine hundred eighty is I think I can tell I can tell the difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/637">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► between four eighty whatever standard def is and seven twenty or four eighteen twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/643">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► but I can't tell the difference tween some twenty nine hundred eighty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/649">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► and I know what's going to be different because it's not a film it's it's something that's been created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/651">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► and so I do think you're right that it will always we always seek for more clarity better better better more polygons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/656">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► etc but I don't I don't know of anyone that buy games that that needs that latest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/661">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► and greatest system specifically for the best graphics except people who generally like self describe as gamers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/669">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► So for me I don't really care about games very much and if a new system comes out better graphics cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/676">TS</a>]
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00:11:26 ◼ ► self described Amer's care about this and parts on it but there's enough of them to stay in the market. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/686">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► Right we already established like this generation grew but there's enough of them to sustain the market right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/689">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► But for for everything else as the technology increases new types of games become possible kind of like you couldn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/694">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► live action Lord Of The Rings without computer effects. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/702">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► You just couldn't film that like you could do with with puppets maybe or people in costumes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/705">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► but it would just not have the kind of appeal and you don't need to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/709">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► or care anything about the technology involved in making that to appreciate Lord Of The Rings. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/712">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► Right and so it's not going to happen like that. High def vs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/716">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► It's what's on the screen you can do different kinds of things if you were to take any current game developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/720">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► and say What if I gave you one hundred thousand times the memory the band with the whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/726">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► What could you do they wouldn't just make their existing games with more polygons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/732">TS</a>]
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00:24:58 ◼ ► and it was just pretty terrible cause it was a it was pretty bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► and the new the newer fires from want to hear are better I haven't actually used them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► but the newer ones are supposedly better but anyway the big reason people bought it was because it was so damn cheap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► And the fire phone doesn't have that So my question is one of the major things this offers above [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► and beyond something like a high end Samsung [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► or H T C phone like if you're obviously it's the same price that everything has an i Phone like you know you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► little bit less of the i Phone for the same price but most people are not going to care. It's close enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► So you're going to two hundred bucks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► Either way two hundred bucks on contract for this phone so it's not cheaper than an i Phone It's probably not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► have much if any presence in phone retail stores which is going to really hurt sales and you know why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► It's going to be limited in certain ways like all the Google services it doesn't get it is not as far as I know correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► me if I'm wrong anybody but all of Amazon's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1556">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► So far like it doesn't get the Google seal of approval doesn't have to do a play store as far as I know it doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► Google Maps Google Now all that cool integration you get on officially you know blessed Android phones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► So there's there's a lot of downside to this the upsides are you know it has some Amazon integration with some of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► stuff it has some some store integration where you can like pointed at some things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► and scan stuff to talk about than a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► but I'm kind of wondering why why people are really going to buy this in any significant numbers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► Because I don't I don't see the appeal if it was really cheap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► Maybe if it had the full Android experience plus Amazon stuff maybe but I don't see I see and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► when people want to get an officially license Google blessed Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► and i see i Phone are sticking with their i Phone So I'm I'm kind of missing the point of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► and I was on kind of like the new Microsoft but only with hardware. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► You just have to assume now whenever Amazon enters a market with a hardware product just wait until their third try. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► Right yeah I mean he mentioned that the they can Delphi or tablets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► or whatever just forget about the first one second one you know like it's going to take them a while to get it right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► and I just had a thought while you were describing the phone is that phones are kind of like P.C.'s now used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► and that it's no longer a novelty that any company with a reasonable pockets can make one like back in the day if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► you know if you're a company technology Haven't you had a lot of money you can make a P.C. Like you buy the C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► As your men tell you buy a motherboard chipset possibly from Intel puzzler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► and someone else you buy a hard drive from someone you make a plastic case you put a power supply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► and put a screen on it you know you make a P.C. A lot of people did it was tons of P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► Companies back before you know consolidation all fell apart. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► These days it doesn't seem like a big deal for anybody to basically you know build your own i Phone like smartphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► Amazon went to all the vendors and people are making all these parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► and the phone they made looks I mean if this in phones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► I had come up for the i Phone we fall over selves to say how amazing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► but now it's you know many seven years later it's not so mazing now it is just a fairly straightforward thing to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► Yeah we can make a phone that looks like a smart phone that has a good C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► That has memory has a life so much as a result battery life as a couple other little features. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► and obviously it's not quite as easy to make something as good as the i Phone on your first try so we're going to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► Amazon three tries to do this or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► but I guess it's just it's interesting that phones used to be this amazing thing in only amazing Apple can make a smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► phone like this and now they're basically like P.C.'s If you want to make one you can make one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► And so Amazon is making one I don't know if this is a good move or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► but Mark also mentioned disruption of the beginning Lego hope they would do something with pricing to try to disrupt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► I think Amazon it's a problem of the word disruption like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► when they did that with the tablets they sold the most out of at cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► or possibly at a loss certainly not making big profits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► and undercut everybody like Amazon would give you a nicer screen and more storage for less money than Apple it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► It's kind of weird to call something disruption before it has disrupted anything you could say in attempted disruption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► but ever wonder says Oh Amazon disrupt the tablet space by selling their product at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► or below cost as far as we all know because Amazon doesn't tell you sales figures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► but as far as we all know from sort of just like walking around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► and how much Amazon is touting things they haven't disrupted the tablet space that much right I mean it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► because they priced in so low all the incumbents who make a profit on their tablets were put on their heels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► and said what we can handle this soon were our market share is shrinking Amazon is stealing all our customers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► My impression is that that has not happened so their attempt the disruption with that pricing strategy with tablets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► didn't work I guess they could have done more and say the real problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► If we didn't we weren't radical enough with the price we'll pay you to take and take one of these phones right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► But instead there were no directions that are right. Obviously that strategy did not buy our way into the tablet space. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► Let's try the more conventional strategy of making money by selling things at a profit with subsidies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► and so that's what it seems like we're doing with the phone I don't think there's any particular reason to favour the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► stone over the best Android phone you can find or an i Phone and there's many reasons not to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► But to Amazon's credit they did of these try to differentiate I mean again it was a version one product assume this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► going to be a stinker just like the version on Kindle Fire was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► but it has interesting things in it you know the multi camera thing in that silly depth perception the parallax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► and you know the thing for scanning things to buy them on Amazon the Amazon Prime in America listed all the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► that's way more differentiation than the average crappy Samsung phone has and Samsung felt like crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► So it could be again like the P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1857">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► Space that all you really need is to pass a minimum threshold of like if we get a C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► We got a hard drive we got memory we had a case of the kind I said we have a couple of differentiators or reputation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► or a connection with a brand that you like or franchise that you like or whatever and again in movie parlance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► and that's enough to become a player in the space. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► I think that's sort of an Amazon game plan is not to rock the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► but just to try to be part of the conversation the same way all those P.C. Makers were like hey we're part of the P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► Market we sell P.C.'s will pick our stripes on them because I was gay way for two thousand and nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► and our names will never actually reach that year I got my first computer and it came in the catalogs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► and it was awesome. Maybe maybe someday we'll have retail stores anyway. That's how I see Amazon's entry here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► And so I'm I'm not for or against it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► I like more competition in the phone market I don't know what the long term odds are better wake me up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► when they're on their third phone. I'm guessing a big part of it might be as as weird as the sound I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1913">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► Probably didn't spend much money on us like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► and I'm sure they continent they contracted out the even hardware design to somebody else who definitely counted had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► the manufacturing I think D.C. Made it for them right. Yes So you know they didn't. I didn't invest very heavily in it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► I'm guessing the main purpose of this is just like all the other hardware it's just to use Amazon sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► and one of the things that this will do if they can get a big presence in the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► and tablet market you know they're already probably there with tablets maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► but if they can if they can if they can get enough of a market presence everybody who develops an Android app will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► forced to put their app and Amazon's Android app store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► And as far as I know this only works at the answer unless you go the no download if you Kaizen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► but I think for the most part you have to have things in an answer because there's no the Google Play Store on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► please correct me if I'm wrong chat but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► So you know if they get if they get even you know ten percent of the market then it would be pretty unwise for Endor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► developers to to not develop which not to put their stuff on Amazon asked or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► and then I'm going to take a nice cut of you know any kind of money flowing through Android apps not theirs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► historically to hold up but you know there are people that that adds up now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► and you know there's also the other factors there's four for all of the reasons that Google wanted to make Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► and kind of had to make Android the main reasons why were that Google was threatened by by the possibility of somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► or Microsoft dominating the phone space in a way then than they could like lock out Google services from working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► So Google kind of defensively had to make Android to to give themselves a place for their services to live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► and thrive so they couldn't ever be locked out of a dominant phone platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► or so they tell themselves anyway yesterday so I think Amazon has a similar goal here in that Amazon wants to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2031">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► Make sure that none of their digital services get locked out of their physical services are probably fine everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► going to keep buying you know their shampoo from Amazon it's no big deal I don't think Apple cares to interfere with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► that but it certainly is a risk that that you know maybe Amazon's bookstore or a video store or music store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► You know those kind of services could easily get locked out of future eyeless and Google blessed Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► and so I think I think they kind of strategically thought this is this is a good idea and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► and I'm sure I'm sure they'll make enough on it to justify the probably minimal investment they put into it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► Maybe but it doesn't need to set the road on fire to succeed you know. Sorry yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► It you know it doesn't it doesn't need to sell extremely well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► It would be nice if it did I'm sure they would they would appreciate having the extra margin to play with because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► don't have a lot of margin on most of the other stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2096">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► but the reality is I don't think this really is that important for this to sell well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► and I don't think it will sell well there and it's the I mentioned in passing earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► but it's definitely worth retiring this is also US only mostly because most Renaissance services are still U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► Only or at least very limited outside of the U.S. And so as long as this is U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► Only it's going to extremely limited its market share especially since it is actually in price in the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► I think it is a good idea I mean don't you you said you know whether this is good I think it is a good idea it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► good idea for it was a good idea for Amazon to make tablets. It's a good idea for them to make a phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► I mean despite the fact that I guess I don't think the tablets are really tearing up the charts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► Again we don't know for sure give them a lot of like to release numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► but I think it's a good idea for them to make a phone because because it is like P.C.'s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► and now I want why shouldn't they have a phone why shouldn't they have a tablet Why should it's part of their ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► they sell they sell you things you can consume on that tablet so it's good to have a tablet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► They also sell you things that you can consume on the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► and you can use both of those devices to buy things from the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2157">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► Physical store they have a cohesive story around these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► and I think it was a good idea for them to develop it because I think this was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► or less the right time where they can just you know put it together out of off the shelf parts and some innovation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► and I think it probably didn't vest in it because I think they you know it makes sense for them to have these pieces of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► and not rely on other people for these because it makes sense for their business not totally out there like they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► decided to make you know self driving cars or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► Yeah but I still think like it was a good year for them to make this no question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► and since they were already making tablets an argument in the SO S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► I'm sure there's a lot of shared development resources there anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► but I'm sure they are most definitely spent way more on software development and harbor development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► and they can probably use most of that in their tablet effort. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► The difference here is you know phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► and tablets are very different markets as a lot of people have found that over the last few years especially most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► the early attempts at Android tablets on this it's a very very different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► These two are very different markets and what works in phones doesn't necessarily work in tablets and vice versa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2216">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► and was on was able to break in the tablet market by being extremely aggressive on price. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► Nobody was buying the Kindle Fires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► and still today nobody's buying the Kindle Fires because they're the best tablets because they're not they're certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► better than they used to be but they're still not the best habits. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► People buy them because they're cheap and they see them promoted like crazy on Amazon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► This phone is going to be part of the creation Amazon fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► but it's not cheap it's cheap though I mean especially for people who are using the i Phone right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► But when people are shopping for Android phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► and anyone is willing to pay two hundred dollars for the same for phone shops this two hundred dollar phone to get any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► competitive two hundred dollars phone assume they're not going to buy an i Phone because they're not in that market at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► all speculative and feature wise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► This compares favorably with any with the of that with another two hundred dollars Android phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► and I think that's the big conversation they're trying to win they're like oh we're not going to be with people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► shopping for an i Phone because this is the ecosystem the cache. No the apps like we're not there for get it right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► But there's tons of crappy Android phones and I mean you look around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► Mostly what I see is people with i Phones or people with a huge menagerie of crazy are going to Android phones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► That's that's the jungle where the phone is stalking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► and it's got a nice screen it's got a lot of RAM It's got a fast C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► Got crazy has cameras that are going to impress people in a demo somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► when they see someone who has one the camera is pretty good right like it's got all sorts of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► or the tilt scrolling in the parallax reminds you of the stupid crazy features like in the Galaxy S five that no one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► ever going to use that track your eyes when you close your eyes the video stops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► and you know how to touch the screen like that. People go for that crap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► and even though it's not super cheap it I think it compares like it compares favored to the i Phone Let's put that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► in terms of pricing and specs and I think they're going after the people who care about gee whiz features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► and also the people who care about stupid number specs not against the i Phone or no one cares about the specs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2335">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► when they buy an i Phone They're buying an i Phone have an i Phone and to buy into that whole system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► You know what if you are living not near family members and you really want to smartphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► and your family members that live nearby that are really good with computers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► So your family members that are really good with computers don't live nearby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► and you feel kind of all in your own little island and you want something that you know you can get help with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► and maybe you don't live near an apple an apple store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► This made a thing I'm fairly surprised that the Mayday in the tablets hasn't made more waves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► and I could very much see like say my grandmother for example who is fairly computer savvy especially for a woman that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► is not terribly young but she lives near no one in terms of her family members that are good with computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► and so I can absolutely see her wanting this if nothing else for the maybe feature so she knows within fifteen seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► she can have. Oh and I can see that as being very powerful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► That's a clever use of Amazon strength because their strength is like physical logistics. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► Having a human being on the other end of a phone is a physical matter it's not a matter of software or servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► An Amazon does it all the time and they're all about people and physical things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► and managing things that are ridiculous scales. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► So they were wise to bring to bear the skills they have from their retail business on the phone the same way Google is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► wise to bring to bear all of its great assets like you know it's really you know good maps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► and driving directions and their server capacity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► and all their web apps like everyone is bringing their best stuff to the table you know I think this does make sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► and I don't think this will necessarily like if you were to buy this phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► I mean maybe it has nothing to compare it to wouldn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► but I don't think experience to be that great this is version one and Amazon in my mind I try to tweak this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► but I can figure out a way to tweet out a tweet in a way that would express myself so I'll try just by rambling here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► Unfortunately my perception of Amazon now whenever I think of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► and I think of Jeff Bezos surveys us like Glenn you got to tell me how to pronounce a name I don't know up on the stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► is Amazon has a really good demos and everything they show is much crappier in real life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► I got another tragedy not getting that impression but like after several of these demos feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► and sometimes they're OK In real life like you know the Kindle Paperwhite really was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► or less like what they showed but like all of their Fire tablets and now the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► and a lot of the Kindles they've demo they do really good keynotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► and you look at them like wow I can't believe Amazon pulled this off they've got the features they've got the specs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► they've got the design everything is amazing when you see the actual product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► and it's like well you know if you like we could pull the wool over your eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► and that's the reputation they're getting in my mind so much so that I'm kind of tuning out the what are very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► presentations and fairly polished and like you know not thing to say in the Steve Jobs file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► but obviously you know in the post Steve Jobs presentation world adding their own twist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► But now I'm just starting to write though that that's a tech person type thing but anyway right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2515">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► Well you know going to know what their presentations are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► but I feel like real people once they get them will be like the same way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► when they get the Alex a Galaxy S five like you play with a little with the features that you're never going to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► again in the end you have kind of a crappy ugly phone. The river after two years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► See but what makes you think that anyone would find it to be crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► and ugly because on the surface especially if you don't have something as well designed as perhaps modern Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► or certainly an i Phone if you like you said if you don't have anything to compare to then how would you conclude that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► it's not crappy. The Samsung say it's crap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► I think I think the Amazon's industrial design is better as ridiculous as the original Kindle Fire was in terms of size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► Industrial Design is not bad like it was you know pleasingly shape that made it to the power buttons are in the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► place. We all know that but like that they have rubber parts in the right spot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► I am of the UN is the head we had really great screens. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► The problems of course are in software and ecosystem in kind of using the devices not as wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2575">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► and magical as you would expect that they miss on a lot of the details like well you can have an amazing screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► and a quad core G.P.U. and Twice the RAM of any i OS Apple device please Apple fix this place. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► when you click the scroll it's jumping like how did you jump you got twice as many cores we had twice as much ram. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► It's like it takes a lot of effort and coordination between hardware and software to make all that come together. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► You know how can Apple get away with having half as many choruses the top and Android phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► and yet it still feels faster and does things quicker. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► That's where those guys can compete and that's what I mean by like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► I think compared to fine but once I go into an Apple store and start looking around on an i Pad or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► And i Phone I think even pressing a bit like oh my my thing doesn't feel like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► Well I'm going back a sec to Mayday. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► I do think that that's probably Amazon's best feature if it even works half as well as the demos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► That's an amazing feature and that will win over a lot of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2636">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► Especially people like us who are possibly in the position of buying the phone for someone else that we don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► You know that's that I can see I can see the benefit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► but there's also the other side of that which is made they can only help you with problems that involve the phone being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► able to boot and show the screen contents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► and going to say I like the comparison as I like to tell people the Apple stuff because then if they have any problem I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► Exactly and that's a thing like you know maybe well maybe as great as long as the phone can boot the screen works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► and it can connect to a data network or wife I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► All of those things has feature and that will solve a lot of problems no question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► But there's also a whole class of other problems that people routinely hit with their phones that may they won't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► able to solve or want what they want they will access it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► and there is immense value in Apple having this giant network of retail stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► and in being able to walk into like an A.T.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► To the store with your Samsung phone that you bought there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► and you know get some help there like there's there's a massive massive value in in being able to go to a physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► place and get service and you know in the case of you know the phone network stores aren't that great about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► but in the case of an Apple store you could walk out of there with a replacement like you could go to your phone could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► You could go to the Apple Store at lunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► and if there's not too big of a line you can walk out of there with a replacement in a half hour. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► And that's something that Amazon can can approach that they can you know they can have you be able to call them up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► and then they can overnight you a new phone maybe you know maybe we'll see about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► but that's still a very that's a very different degree to very different kind of experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► or to talk on the phone to somebody who need to talk them through the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► and then Amazon has to decide whether to send you a phone and send you a phone that arrives the next day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► or by drone later that day who knows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► But it's still it's a different it's a different problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► and there's just such immense value in having those retail stores there now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2755">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► Now granted there's also a whole class of problems where like you might just live with it like if you're somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► doesn't know the technology very well and you're like oh well for whatever reason you know my mail is all blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► but it's not really worth going all the way to the Apple Store for that well maybe you know on it's on the kindle thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► maybe you would you know hit the media butt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► and say hey why is this all blue can you help me change this back you know so there's you would be able to get better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► help with a lot of small problems like that using Mayday But you know phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► and those are even more so than tablets phones get carried around people so phones have a lot of hazards happen to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► in a lot of things that are weird that break and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► and so I see that being a problem for Amazon people what you're not considering is that both of you are taking a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► completely myopic North-Eastern view of the world because the nearest Apple Store to like half of Virginia is either in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► another state or easily two hours away. I mean I'm lucky in that there happens to be an Apple store in Richmond. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2813">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► But outside of Richmond like let's take Charlottesville for example which is an hour west of where I am. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► You can either come here to Richmond or go two hours north to D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► and Charlottesville Zay not small city I mean it's Virginia classifies it as a city. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► Well OK you can be all the smog in Miami because you live in the northeast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► The look of the population of Charlottesville [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► and save it for the larger than the population of where I went to high school and perhaps it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► but I think you're way way overselling the utility of Apple stores because if you're lucky enough to live near one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► Yes you're absolutely right. But most of the country doesn't and beyond that most of the world doesn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► So that's wonderful that you guys have forty four Apple stores within a ten minute drive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► and if I lived an hour away it would be an hour drive to get to the nearest Apple store an hour drive maybe in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► busted assed car that can barely get up the highway. I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2876">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► I'm being a little dramatic but my point is Apple's retail footprint is really consequential. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► Now this is where you would say well there's one thousand nine hundred foot print [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► and yes you're right about that eight hundred He's a lot more stores we're not going to get the same level of service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► and repair it in one thousand nine hundred or that you would have an Apple store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► So I think you're grossly overselling like yourself are body bags I said I was going to say Apple Store is the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► case scenario but leave Apple Store aside normal people get their phones the quote unquote phone stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► and they're everywhere in every strip mall probably even in Charlottesville. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► And those are not a great place to bring your phone back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► but it's still a place to bring a phone back to his once Grandma gets that phone from Amazon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/2912">TS</a>]
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01:01:09 ◼ ► or you have will ban with caps that's fine you are you are kindly excused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► but everybody else you should really be doing this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► There are so many backup problems that this can be a nice safety net for things you know things are going to happen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► your house if you have you know just your computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► and Time Machine drive put into it then like electrical problems fires floods that all sorts of crazy stuff water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► flooding from the apartment above you like all sorts of crazy this can happen that can take out all of your copy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► your data if it's only in your house so really you are also back up and back which is in my opinion is the best one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► Go to back please dot com slash A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► and I think the backplate has going for it is that they get to use the word unlimited which takes away the stress from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► but from certainly from high capacity like high demand users you don't want to know is there a limit am I going to hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► the limit to do I had to wear red. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► And even casual use issue if there is a limit they may not have any sort of conception of how much data they have likes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► of like do I have that much data. How much is a gigabyte. Will I had that much data in five years I doesn't matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► That totally never going to reach the cap if they don't understand that it can cause them hesitant so unlimited gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► rid of that anxiety of like I don't have to worry about how much stuff I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► and then the only job you have to do after that is make the financial arrangement both attractive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► and this Amazon arrangement is not easy to understand I would never have guessed that only the photos taken by phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► count or the limit of the five gigabyte cap maybe I can buy stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► and going to import my existing for a collection of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► but it's already too complicated you know back places we charge a fee per month it is a small fee. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► The average data stored by our customers is enough that we make money at that price it's easy to understand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► Five dollars a month unlimited something like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► For photos it doesn't have to be we'll star all your photos for free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► Unlimited doesn't mean free and unlimited just means you know more anxiety about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3776">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► but what about these photos boy about those photos I take here what about my existing stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► but will you keep the rose at full resolution will you downsampled them is there a thirty day window is there like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► that crap and anxieties to go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► and then the company just needs to find some way to pay for that whether by charging a reasonable monthly fee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► or incorporating it into some other service or subsidize the river [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► and so we were all briefly excited by the Amazon thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► Now we're all on excited about it it's just another solution that is too complicated and too weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► and it's going to leave people in situations where they're not sure their stuff is safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► and where in reality probably won't be safe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► All right so I actually if we if we have the time Jesus will permit me I would actually like to talk now about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► continuity and I think it plays into some of the sort who were just talking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► So continuity is a feature during the keynote of the demo where between your sanity and i O S nine and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► or eight yeah I was eight and now apparently possibly even the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3834">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► There are features where you can for example start doing something in an app and one of these devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► and then go to another one of your devices and pick up where you left off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► or do crazy things like take a phone call on your mac and stuff like that or tree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► and transfer to an e-mail as you're writing it between your phone or your computer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► All these different things that involve basically passing off tasks from one computer to from one computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► or device to another one seamlessly and one of the reasons I think this is smart you know this one of the theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► or one of the themes where Apple tends to not do so well and this this doesn't actually apply just Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► and not do so well is trying to go past what they're good at trying to do a really big new project in an area that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► And so one of the best examples of this obviously is maps where you know maps of the kind of area where Google is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► really good at the at the at the kind of like Big Data Integration massive scale data collection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3895">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► and resolving conflicts between different sources of data and ranking things and and finding relevance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► and Google is really really good at that kind of problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► And so when Google tackles that kind of problem they can do it very well and very few others can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► Apple tried to tackle the problem with maps and i O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► Six five six six and and famously did not do very well at it and it's certainly better than it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► but it's still not to Google level of quality and honestly probably never will be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► And so you know you can look at things that you can see are these are kind of areas where where Apple's weak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► and I mentioned right before the pre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► or before last topic how I thought it was very good of Amazon to recognize one of their strengths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► and do something in it made a do something that the other people kind of can't do in the business can't or won't do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► And so what Apple has done with continuity I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3955">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► Is the same kind of strategic thing where continuity is the kind of thing that Apple actually can do very well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► Yes it uses i Cloud but I think it mostly actually is a local networking I think it would use a Bluetooth L.-E. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► To do some of the initial handshaking and probably probably doesn't go over the network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► or over the the LAN with it has to so I think to jump in my recollection of the video I watched was it negotiates over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► Bluetooth Ellie and then it did the amount of data you can send back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► and forth is like the State of the world is almost non. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► So it it stablish is proximity using the truth Ellie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► and then you have to use some other mechanism of your choice including a stream that I believe they can open between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► devices actually that might be over Bluetooth as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► but anyways by some other mechanism you have to establish like What the crap is you're working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► but the proximity awareness bit is due to selling in this is freakin terrible for me because both of my Macs are late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4014">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► twenty Levon Macs and they don't have political energy and I'm very sad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► Don't worry though they'll eventually be replaced inabilities those cool stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► and said no no just talk to any macro owners in the last few years who ever had to use airdrop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► and realize they can't do it because of the NIH proas sold anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► So this is the kind of thing this involves you know local networking with high end ran New controlled hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► and passing around the Internet. Very small bits of information in very large volume. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► That's what push notifications are that's what I message is that's a kind of Apple is already doing this stuff at scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► Most of the time and so like this and it requires a very deep you know top to bottom integration of the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► and the software and the services it requires people who buy multiple devices from the same manufacturer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► and who actually keep someone up to date. Casey did. So you'll have it'll be cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4076">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► And so this is the kind of thing where not only is Apple really good at this sort of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► but only Apple can really do that if you look at you know Google you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► and group are a big thing about only Apple is really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► and I was I was I was kind of hoping to be more about this when I saw the title. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► He touches on this but other people are more into it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► You know Microsoft can't do this because they don't sell any phones really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► And even the computer sales are not doing that great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► and they can't you know they have this massive their bevy of hardware to contend with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► and you know what percentage of Windows computers have Bluetooth low energy and what version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► and all this crazy stuff that they have to do that they have to contend with that Apple doesn't who can't do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► because nobody's buying computers and even their tablets are pretty weak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► and they're also the similar issues of hardware diversity. Michael don't go can't do it now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► They'll be able to eventually Apple can do it first so that only Apple can do this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► Now it's important qualifier because eventually everyone will be able to do this and they will. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► Well the direction that that these various companies markets and products and strengths are going. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► I don't I don't see a future where nobody else can do this really well I mean like if it's a useful thing to do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► catches on all the other players will develop some kind of open standard for doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► and eventually all the hardware will catch up in many years and like it the same thing with everything else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► Only Apple can make the i Phone one but today Amazon can slap the other a phone that essentially looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► and behaves to a regular person's perspective like the I thought of one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► Hopefully maybe a little bit better for you but maybe not wealthy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► but you know I mean like there's a big lead time Apple has an advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► but it's mostly a temporal advantage not a qualitative advantage ever and it will eventually be able to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► So yes this is just about what you'd be doing doing the things that they can do before anyone else can do them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► they have more control than ever else and even Apple is kind of in the in Congo situation was like pork. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4195">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► So you know you got to have a new ish Maggie because the chipset needs to do whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► and you got to have a device with a lightning connector you sorry i Pad three users like me and you know all this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► There are other even even with Apple's world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► and how fast they get everyone upgraded everything there is like the strength of Apple is doing it to centrally as soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► and will see if this feature is like a killer feel like that's what you need if this is a feature that people really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► Then everyone else will eventually copy if it turns out to be something that's kind of OK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► but maybe not important enough for the other guys to go through the effort to copy then oh well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► but Apple has will have the advantage of the first mover advantage that it so they like to have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► Yeah I think really ultimately this is the kind of thing that Apple is going to be the only game in town that really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► does it in any effective widespread way for the foreseeable future I really don't see that change anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► I also worry too a bit like when networking is turn to the next is I agree with like devices and hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► and software just on those devices. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► Apple that happens we'll house but once you get anything involving the network I just have bad flashbacks I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4257">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► and like messages which I've been using much more lately because you see everyone's using messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► and I was you know I guess last year I was doing it to maybe use messages way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► and I kind of I'm still using it I've been using Mars in space this is my wife got. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► Maybe the i Phone five that she had before us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► but anyway I find myself using messages on the mac I find myself using it on my i Pod my kids via message account so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► use them to talk to them on their various i Pods and i find the program maddening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► Like it doesn't fill the basic function of writing text box I can type in do it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► and now having a massive shop somewhere else some absurd percentage of the time it says not delivered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► and they are there to do is tap the exclamation point to try again and it says not delivered. Why is not delivered. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► Will it ever work sometimes I just have to delete that message and send the same message again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► and that will work I have no idea what it's failing on a basic level so I really hope continuity doesn't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► involve the Internet or any of Apple servers I hope it does ad hoc wife I like airdrop. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4315">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► I don't have to involve internet stuff either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► and I'm out of the net stuff it screws up I mean just today I thought we'd my time line someone said on one device I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► had a phone number another device had to lead to the phone number. Now neither device has their phone number. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► Thanks I like those like stuff like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► or whatever I'm just saying like that is outside Apple's still is outside Apple's So I really hope continuity only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► involves like the airspace and hardware and software that within my arm's reach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► and does not involve any servers anywhere I know push notification does better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► but I don't know I haven't I haven't tried it yet so we're all just hoping it will be good there is a potential You're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► right that potentially this is something that is right in Apple's wheel house. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► If it's outside it is not very far outside of just you know I get nervous. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► Yeah I mean that's that's certainly fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► but I I really think the people give them a hard time with stuff like i Message weirdness but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► but you know if you look at things like i Pod key value store push notifications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4374">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► and really most use of my messages I'm message most use of my message I think everything works great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► and there are these there are like you know the fringes where things fall apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► but the I think the bar the bar is low and I message though I could just text like I'm not asking for the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► and not sending gifts like Katie is like I'm just just axed and like here's my fallback like in these times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► when I'm frustrated I can send a message and it's frustrating. I launched a G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► Mail app and I send that they send that message as an e-mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► and you know I sent every frickin time every second time I send the email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► and email if I have an internet connection could send the email every single time it has never said could not sent it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► has never failed. If I have a network connection and that it's tough to compete with that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► Like when I find myself going to the G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► or maybe even Apple's own mail app like I going to be if I use Apple's Mail I would have gone to that I message still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► angers me greatly. Thing is funny because I actually don't have any. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4435">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► Normally she's with i Message I occasionally get like a message failed to send. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► I only get like either time shifted message or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► but maybe nine percent of the time I have no issues with my message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► and so it's so weird to me to hear that you have a ton of problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► and you're not the only one that you have you've had to fail to send what is that mean what does that mean failed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► send I don't understand what it's probably like I would like an error message. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► I'm thinking it means that the thing that it tried to send didn't send you I don't like why you have it with a server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► and I respond like I am not that I'm saying I need the details of like intellectual curiosity I wonder what it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► is not going to be like here's what I would want out of a thing like OK so you can't connect the dots for whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► or maybe there's a legitimate reason like some time to think maybe the phone like if their phone is rebooting cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► send this message like this some sort of like they want to show me the delivered message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► and it say there the phone with everybody can possibly be delivered because you know there's nothing to receive it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4494">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► but even if that's the case which I think is ridiculous by the never really catered to be store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► and forward like most other I.M.C. Systems are like a Google talk or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► Even if that was the case it should be the job of the software. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► Just say I'll just keep trying don't don't don't worry about it all I won't say it was delivered like a lot to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► but you don't have to keep getting the explanation point to try again I'll eventually get sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► and want to really be a store and forward like e-mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► or like Apparently every other I am message like going on a movable talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:26 ◼ ► or whatever if someone is not on line of all their computers are turned off I can still send a message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4526">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► and the next time it's either the service or turn on one of their devices they'll see my message right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► Like that's all I'm asking for it's not it's just tax man. Thanks a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► Two or three sponsors this week needed need a lifestyle dot com hover and back please and we will see you next week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► Now it was accidental. Until you're sitting on the scene and it says to that list and the mighty titles. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4549">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► Did you survive I saw you yelling at the people in the gyro. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► But right now I want to be bitter and angry and say I'm just not bringing it back but that's immature. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4614">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► So problem this time. So the problem this time was somebody decided to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► So I guess web sites may have been a poor choice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► It's actually a technically sound choice for the problem is it's not very obvious skated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► And because well I guess I could like you know be sixty four and code everything that andare of obfuscation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► So the problem was that somebody decided to run a loop of voting for every possible ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► and I.D.'s are in a church because I guess it wouldn't be because why do you need a grade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► or something super complex for an idea. You need any throttling is a defense against an out of service. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► You don't have any you like there's no I guess the problem is because you know the state to account for what you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► you can keep it a memory I mean like whenever it whenever I've done a great limiter in the application layer I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► doing them cash because it's just it's quick it's easy it's like way I know it's fast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► and if you if the if you hit the application consists only of launching your you know getting your. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4674">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► Back up to the controller level and you firing off a meme Tasha read Norman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► and then catching commander other I didn't even get a single process. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► You know yet if he could just keep it in a way that's the thing though is that well there's two problems one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► I mean I'd have to do this all by hand because this is a raw socket to the server by definition that's what a website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► is and she was the I was the other one was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► I realize that vote double vote prevention was totally borked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► and I it took me a few minutes to realize that all of the votes submissions were coming from ten dot X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► Addresses which can't be extorted for a year to notice things exactly like it was like a mini web bootcamp for you my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► girl cause them with how to make a web. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► No it's just it's funny because so far abstracted from all of these things that you guys I guess have somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► or another had to worry about but somehow or another by writing web apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► No it's not it's just experience is just the same way you learned all the stuff you learn writing fast X.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4737">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► You didn't know before about how to write and I was up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► Well there's a different set of things you need to know for web apps it is more fun when you're doing them publicly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► and it and this can be a whole series of a graduate school for Casey and Web ads just every week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► You'll try you'll try and every week the chat room will educate you on something that you didn't account for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► or didn't do correctly and then the next week you can fix that and you can get a new problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► Well in this thing if like I write web apps for a living which at this point probably sounds like I make a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► living but the thing is it's so much of it is abstracted so far away from me that I never have to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► but I've also heard for Internet's right not exclusively but generally yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► I've done some public face and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► but I like things that aren't a target like basically you survive because like there's not people now we have a PA gas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► and it's a fun little game to target your things so it's fun for them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► Just think of how I just think of how incredible your thing will be when forged in the crucible of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4793">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► By the end of it it will just be completely hardened shell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► Unlike so many other crappy things where someone writes a little web app and put that up and get up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► and says Here you go and then some poor sucker runs that and use it for something really popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► and then it falls under the lower your ISP will be battle tested I guess. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► Or dead one of the battle tested it not ever sitting standing here now actually I feel like just murdering it forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► more. But that's very mature of me so I will lick my wounds. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► I am well I will put bandages on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► and I will take another stab sometime maybe next week I had to limit myself in the chat room for like half an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► though because not only was it distracting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► but I wanted to murder all of them you just need to like for all these things right like failing test cases for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► them write a little test for denial of service to test your throttling write a little test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► or duplicate voting to have you know like do everything that is done to you turn into a test case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► and so that you'll know that your future changes don't regress and you know blah blah blah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► but the thing that that for us that's frustrating about it is this is a box of record votes for the chat room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4856">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► suggestions and votes for the challenges just titles like why am I having to go through all this like why can't we all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► Why can't we all just act like an adult or act like adults and behave. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► But oh no not this crowd I'm wondering what the heck could like you know twenty people in the chat room due to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► down no J S How. Like I've seen the code it's not that complicated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► Not going to bring it down that is writing an infinite loop and he's got no throttling end of the Nile virus right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► Well I think what happens is at some point actually might be when wraparound like Brent was talking about way back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► when but anyway there is no way they're making enough requests to make a fifty three bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► and it's a wrap around in twenty minutes when I WILL IT. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► Today the issue was they were just incrementing the idea in trying to place a vote for every successive ID number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► and eventually that did piss it off and make it fall down you know the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4914">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► What the hell that are you know there's an acronym a wasp. Yes they do over open web application security products. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► Oh W A S P as like a list of you know common vulnerabilities and web apps and empty the list every year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► and you have hit several of them already one of them is exposing your internal ids to the outside world if you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► what it's called the some snappy name for it and that's the one with people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► and command number to try to guess your ids. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► Well that's what they do but I mean here again like I did conceptually know that many of these things could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► and probably would be problems but I was perhaps too sore maybe just stubborn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► but I didn't think that I would need to write like ten thousand lines of No to prevent the chat room from being a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► of balls and as it turns out I'm going to need to do that or just give up on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► and will rely on Brad showed through all the great winter slash Brad set up there is in the package a note that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► a simple rate limiter and stuff like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4977">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► Well there is but again because I'm using web sockets not so simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► but there's probably like a website its wrapper library that has a rate limiting parameter that you can you know many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► of the receiving end of your socket you're not going to have a sending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► and it's all going to be the receiving end that's the thing is I don't have to write my own rate limiting I did a quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► cursory search to see if there was anything and I didn't see anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► but I did know what thirty second search that tomorrow or some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► when I'm less bitter about it all then I'll have a proper think on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► Not that it matters for her show bout or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► but realistically speaking like for the people who are actually web developers and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► and are listening to this this type of thing where a bunch of people are just intentionally attacking the Zap I go I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► glad the app that I'm doing doesn't have that problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► That's I mean you may luck out there but really what you're saying is my app is going to develop an add features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► and become important in the Central to the people who are using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► and then some person is going to stumble across it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► and break it because it doesn't mean your application is not burnable to the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5037">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► All will never experience these it just means that if if it's if it's not going to happen now it's going to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► and later it's going to be worse because you want you want the stuff that if the stuff is ever going to happen in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► lifetime of the app you want to happen early because it's not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► It happens when the app is been deployed for six months and the entire business relies on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► and then some piece of malware or bought or whatever stumbles across your thing or wiped off the face of the earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:23 ◼ ► and that's a much bigger problem when your whole company now relies most after you have millions of customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5063">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► Then it would have been if during the early development of this app it had a bunch of jerks attacking it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► and major harden it again not really relevant to a show bot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► but I like it is relevant to people building a real app it's like don't stick your head in the sand with everybody get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► hit by one of these eventually and if you don't and you just you're the lucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► or you never got popular enough to be noticed but even if you're not popular just this malware that scans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► and just you know forces its way into everything and so eventual every web app will be a victim. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► You know that's the thing is that I had thought since this is a controlled audience which I had assumed were all well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5097">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► behaved I didn't think I needed to do a lot of the things that I would have otherwise done in in my real world in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► job world and I just took a lot of shortcuts because I thought well we're all friends here it will be OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► and by the way I know an apology too I think it's Adam Kearney who is already actually quite a while ago put up a pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► request on get her because accidental but isn't there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► but a couple requests to fix an unrelated small issue that we discovered during the show about not refusing titles that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:38 ◼ ► are too long and that is the appropriate way to behave not if you didn't break it that's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5138">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► but through Throw me a pull request man. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► Did he submit the source code change as a very long title and hope that that would be funny. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► That would be the best way to do it but in a persistent so you would never see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► and that's on the list is that I'll probably have to set up like some like no sequel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5154">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► A vase or something just to stuff this in a renowned snuff school case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► and whatever just because well it's actually in a perfect world I would never need it because the darn thing I'll never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► but well I'm still how how did this take down a note instance this is this is either the worst ad in the world for Heroku [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► small instances or the worst ad in the world for no good or my code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► but to be honest like like you said this code is pretty straightforward. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► I mean I don't know I really don't know because I've survived a couple of a couple of links from your site which proved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► as far as I could tell some pretty serious traffic we talked about that in the past in an Hiroki like us in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:43 ◼ ► reach out to me and said Oh yeah that was nothing like you your your diner was good to go cruising at like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5203">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► and here they said it was like under a third C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► Usage bandwidth usage your throughput is cetera so I dunno if it's my code if it's the fact that its website gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► something as weird as the connection limit on the website could layer somewhere it could be I'm not aware of one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► but it certainly could be I mean there are so many only submit so many port numbers but I can imagine that's the issue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSJrpn0/5226">TS</a>]