00:00:00 ◼ ► Time was when oil users were behind one big proxy we have important follow up this week first of all if you got two T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/0">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► Shirts that is fine. That was supposed to happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/10">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► What happened was the first tee shirt had some printing problems mostly in the back where the font wasn't rendered so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/13">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► it like it like fell back to a default font [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/23">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► and it printed are monospace code in a fixed width font variable with font you mean. Yes sorry thank you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/25">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► I've missed you John and they're just taking all the feedback of readers of the slide. Thanks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/34">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► So anyway after the second one is has the fixed font issue which because also I thought the spacing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/41">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► and everything was it was really weird looking before so the spring was kind enough to reprint all the shirts at no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/47">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► and send everybody that was supposed to happen so it was no mistake if you got a second one doubts in fact it might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/53">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► a mistake if you didn't and you don't have to return the other ones that you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/60">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► or anything just you know keep them with the springs compliments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/64">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► and we thank the spring for fixing the air so quickly and fully. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/67">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► And the question is which Sheraton now is more valuable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/71">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► We mentioned in the past shows about the shipping printed if the printing on the back messes up it's like the upside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/74">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► down airplane stamps and now you have to share it you have one where the printing on the back is totally messed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/80">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► and it's like in a variable with font [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/85">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► but the metrics of the letter spacing are like the metrics of a MA The monospaced font. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/88">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► Yeah crazy amount of space it just looks terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/93">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► and then there's the one printed the way we intended which one of those shirts is better now because you could be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/95">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► I've got one of the to be sure it's for the printing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/100">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► when everybody's got one with a printing error at this point anyone who's going to need to be sure it's the same amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/102">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► of both and it will always be the same man to both because it's not like you can go order the shirt now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/108">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► and get the fix not only like it's the same quantity of both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/113">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► or if that will probably ever exist you know next year will probably have a day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/116">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► If insured and we'll see how this turns out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/120">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► But of isn't fielding a lot of tweets in mails from people asking about double sure it's just give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/122">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► and a lot of e-mails and tweets from people who said they got two shirts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/127">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► but did not notice any difference between them and that was surprising to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/131">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► For for listeners of the show don't tell T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/135">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► but there's definitely a difference once I feel like once we tell them Oh there was a problem depending on the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/140">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► and they lay them both down and look at the two backs the big difference between Yet also the A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/144">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► Badge on the front on the new shirt is a little bit lighter in shade because you know when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/150">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► when you give somebody a color to print and a shirt has to go through color conversion and become a print color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/156">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► and that entire world just sucks in every possible way the entire run of like color converting for print [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/161">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► and trying to get color to look right in print is just a terrible terrible existence. And here's to T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/167">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► Spring for a living in that world so that we all don't have to you know I was very nice and right that wrong and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/173">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► and regardless of who was at fault it sounds like it might have been a little bit of calm a little bit of calm be burn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/180">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► out in the spring was entirely OK because like I mean here's the thing like I feel bad for them it's good for has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/185">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► always been good to me and they like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/193">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► They've taken action to correct problems but it's better if you don't have the problem to begin with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/195">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► and I'm think speaking mostly from Peace brings perspective because from the customer's perspective everybody get two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/199">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► but for teens bring like Margo said it's like if you have a lot of the thing look correct in the preview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/206">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► and they printed a huge number of shirts like no human looked at them to compare them to the preview on their Web site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/211">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► Like you figured you'd print one look at it and say yep OK print ten thousand or so of those right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/217">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► So I feel like they need to amend their process because it's you know they're great company that they're eating that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/222">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► cost and doing it but on the other hand it's kind of THEIR fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/227">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► and I would feel like they would have processes in place to do a human Sandy check of runs over a thousand shirts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/230">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► or something. Yeah and in their defense they. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/236">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► As soon as they became aware of the problem they were in contact with me a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/240">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► and I had talking like three different people there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/244">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► and everyone trying to resolve the thing they want to be you know some of the original file because of the errors they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/246">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► could fix it and they told me like they're changed on these policies so I think it scared them enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/250">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► and probably cause them to lose enough money that they that they made some changes as a result I mean he bent over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/255">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► backwards for I have a critical shirt right out like they've definitely been you know like they have that part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/261">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► business down where the response of the customers and do the right thing that is going to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/266">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► and they have a part of the tip of his where you don't make mistakes to begin with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/269">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► and I mean if I want to Denmark over anything I assumed you were a blowout lions if I had known you were applauding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/273">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► text I would have advised you to upload outlines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/277">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► but in my day the essence of the issue was the they recommend you up literally P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/280">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► OK and I don't know anything about the stuff that I this was one of the first one that ever used straighter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/283">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► and less to do this and I'll blow the P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/288">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► and I checked it had the embedded font and I didn't convert to outlines I don't know that was a thing that you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/291">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► or should do so I didn't put out I just uploaded the P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/297">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► With the embedded copy of the font and every designer once I you know went to the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/300">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► and I mentioned every designer was like oh no you never do that because printer so often screw up well I didn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/306">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► that I didn't have the experience to know that and so I thought I better find it's find right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/311">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► and then the bigger problem I think was that in their image preview on the site it rendered it correctly because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/316">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► image the thing that generates the image preview has a different rasterize er than the thing that actually prints on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/324">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► the shirts and so that's kind of a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/330">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► and that's why it's ultimately the springs for like you know Marco it is the experience of not converting to outline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/333">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► because he hadn't been using illustrator since illustrator eighty eight has black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/338">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► and white I think spring things that line but you know the preview shows one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/342">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► and you get something else printed like that's the whole basis of the site is like you hope you could read about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/348">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► and you see a picture you say yes I want that picture to become a real thing you hook some more buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/352">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► and then a real shirt shows up at your house right. And in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/356">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► A defense one of the things they asked me for was a copy the original file because they said their rasterize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/360">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► or should have used the embedded font like that was not intended behaviour that it didn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/364">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► and they didn't want to require everyone to use outlines because they know you know T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/369">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► You know it's not it's not always professional two hundred using it it's often times like you know some some group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/373">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► maybe making thing making shirts to raise money for like you know their youth group or something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/378">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► and so you know they wanted to work with people who are not illustrator experts so they you know the new way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/383">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► resolved it well so I'm happy with them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/389">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► Anyway let's move on we have a lot of feedback or feedback is like fifteen pages long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/391">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► or document what is the result as I know it and I think it's mostly John because I certainly didn't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/397">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► but another really quick one. We were all obviously in San Francisco last week for D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/401">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► and I just wanted to quickly say thank you to everyone who said hi to us to everyone that what war was purchased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/408">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► and then war sure to anyone who went to the talk show into Gruber for having us on the talk show I had a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/415">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► fantastic week I think I speak for the two of you guys as well and saying so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/423">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► and so again anyone who spent any amount of time with us even if it was just to say hey thank thank you for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/426">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► and I have some more follow up on the talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/434">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► and in addition to saying yeah I agree that was awesome thank you you know the did OK to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/437">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► and I was completely wrong about how cloud kit limits work and I definitely said the wrong thing on the talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/442">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► and I think I even said the wrong thing on our show last week where the cloud kit limits are raised per user by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/450">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► something like you know one meg of data bases one hundred megs of attitudes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/459">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► but each user is not limited to that one meg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/462">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► and a hundred megs that simply every user adds that amount to your total pool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/465">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► and the resources are pool between everybody so that does dramatically change things for how you can use cloud cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/471">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► or not it still leaves a few questions like like you know we still don't really know what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/481">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► when you hit that limit and you know any anything involving like you know so you know what is there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/487">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► What happens I have one user is a complete outlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/494">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► and uses like a gig of the database somehow because they have some script going that runs around something like How do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/497">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► you how do you solve issues like that with it so there's still some issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/504">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► but it isn't nearly as scary as I assumed it was because the resources are pulled by that amount. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/507">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► Not limited per user I'm not sure that change that clarification is important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/514">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► but I don't share it changes it entirely for you know we're talking about the example of a good un to do Instagram on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/519">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► this even though the users will have varying amounts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/525">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► If it's like only one hundred megs of like blobs charge per user any user use Instagram will blow through that in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/528">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► a year if they're regular users like your average user will blow through that so it opens up a little bit to to more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/534">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► variability if you think most new users are going to use like one meg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/542">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► and a couple of people are going to use like five hundred megs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/545">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► and you're having it having it at one hundred megs to the pool for each user for blob storage is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/547">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► but anything that's involving serious amounts of data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/554">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► You mean do I get it I question I will if I start my own little Instagram after year everybody's going to have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/556">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► hundreds more than a hundred megs of photos right so then what of what happens. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/561">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► but you know if you like the means I gave on the talk show which was you know could they use this for Vesper investors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/565">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► a note taking at the ports in the blog attachments but most people don't use one of the Middle C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/571">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► Because used protection most people would have a hard time making a megabyte of text notes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/576">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► but you know so investors case like it might be a bad idea to say you can only have up to a megabyte of text notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/582">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► but I bet their average is so far below a mega byte that you know they would be OK to use it if they want to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/590">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► I would pull stats from all active users before I. We had committed to that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/597">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► You know names like see what the average find out you can find out what the average is like make sure you know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/601">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► your user data collection agreement allows for this or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/606">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► and then just see what the average size is because who knows what people are doing with Vesper. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/609">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► You know like maybe people are using it as a photo collecting up for all we know one of the discussions they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/613">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► having before they launched the sync service was you know they don't actually know because you know before there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/618">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► sync service a few weeks ago they didn't actually know what the average usage was of these things you know how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/625">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► people actually how many pictures because you know hosting pictures of obviously a lot more data than hosting Texan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/630">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► and I will how many pictures people take with Vesper in are there are a lot of image notes so there are the images very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/635">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► large and they are outliers that have just tons and tons and tons of image notes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/639">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► and you know if you don't know that like I'm facing the overcast now I'm actually getting reasonably close to launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/644">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► now and I have no idea what to expect on the server side and therefore the cost side. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/649">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► It's very hard to predict these things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/655">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► That's one of the reasons why you know Cloud Gate is very attractive to a lot of people because if you have like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/657">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► this rock in launch where you get you get way more people than you thought you would. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/664">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► Your costs are not going to skyrocket. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/669">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► Well unless you hit one of those like Master limits that's really really high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/673">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► but I think that would be quite difficult. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/677">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► You know if you're caught you unpredictable great ability of your initial cost an additional server needs is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/680">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► removed as a as a stress and pain and possible business model pain point you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/686">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► So it is very it is a very attractive option and I think a lot of people are going to use it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/692">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► I hope somebody does so that we can see if things have really improved because of like think back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/697">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► when you mentioned like if you have a really big launch you'll be happy you did this letter for a lot of press. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/702">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► What's the first really popular app to use this Apple provided cloud service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/707">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► and the case of Game Center it was a lot of press it was very popular and Game Center fell over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/712">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► Well apparently Apple's new Photos app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/720">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► and the photos sync service is supposedly all built on cloud it's the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/724">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► and you know who knows they probably have some kind of reserve capacity maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/729">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► but I don't know you know supposedly that is what they are doing so in other news we have been. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/732">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► It is currently nine fifteen and I was trying to use my show bot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/738">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► and Marco tried to tell me I'm broke already hold on the Marco tried to tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/744">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► when I was writing a show about a couple of weeks ago that people in these are my words not markers that people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/751">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► jerks and they're going to do whatever they can to mess with shoebox and I said No no it will be fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/758">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► Our listeners are great they're awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/764">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► and all of a sudden while you were talking I look at the show bot which is all run kind of real time using web site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/767">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► hits and next thing I know I see that the does Casey show but actually work title just skyrocketing in votes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/774">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► and so someone apparently has decided to make web A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/783">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► Requests Web site requests to add a vote to that particular item and then eventually crash and show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/789">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► but they're not being jerks they're being good testers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/797">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► Maybe but anyway so the point is that it lasted fifteen minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/801">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► and that that is how long the chat room can handle a new toy to play with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/805">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► and then subsequently break you're going to be a good father. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/812">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► I mention that your show but the show about has never worked for me I mean it's never worked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/815">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► It is never member I tried tried it once from work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/819">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► and I thought oh maybe it's not working as a Farokh some weird website good thing and I've tried it from home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/821">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► and all I ever see is the word connecting all I've ever seen of the show about. Well if you want you can see that now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/826">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► I just restarted. I know I am looking at it now and it says connecting so I am you know Markos. Any P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/832">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► Thing one case is no job of zero Well that's what I get for trying to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/840">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► and see what his age actually made even better as a web site if he leapt right past Ajax. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/845">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► He went to he went too far away. Something happened now it says titles. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/850">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► No something's happening that I was like seven minute load time. If you're if you're going to K.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/853">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► What I also told you is you know it would be nice if we had some kind of persistent storage that way if you don't lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/858">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► all the titles that have been suggested Up until that you know I know of the problem is be nice if you could write it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/864">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► out to a file every few seconds but that's the thing it's all kidding aside I did look into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/869">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► and the problem is because this is hosted on Heroku because I generally like Heroku the file system is a family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/873">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► and so even if I dump something a file then if I do anything that file will go away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/881">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► Like if I restart the Dyna like I just did the file will go away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/887">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► One should just make a web request to someone who is running a real web server waiting for it you know I could tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/891">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► my servers can save files that it's a crazy thing and I know it's it's it's bleeding edge brand new technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/899">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► but my servers are actually able to save data to disk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/906">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► Well and that's the thing is what I need to do is as people are recommending the chat I need to use post press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/908">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► or some other sequel or something like that hit on it do you post close the show titles like right now like a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/912">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► That's why I didn't but a but apparently her own cruise file system is all ephemeral or maybe it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/919">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► and I just don't realize it but the only reason I was supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/926">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► or that was trying to bring this up was to point out that it took virtually no time for the chat room to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/929">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► completely tear apart my show but now they're putting in script hags putting in long titles. Welcome to the Web K.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/935">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► Have you ever used a computer. Oh my God this is why you apples don't have nice things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/943">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► I quit I quit the show and I quit you. Although I'm not you to everyone else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/949">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► I love that you were that you were so naive that you didn't think this would have been you you were so you're such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/953">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► nice person K.Z. You really are. Faith in humanity and God How wrong I was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/958">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► I'm sorry anyway we can carry on understood ignore my own creation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/963">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► Whatever you big jerks you the three of us records everyone else I don't like. Anyway moving on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/967">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► All right so we have some follow up next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/976">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► but a follow up this is after a bunch of people tweeted does that mean I thought it was clever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/978">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► and I haven't actually looked into this because I have not seen any of the sessions related to this because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/987">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► but in the keynote they mentioned bundles you can sell a bunch of apps on the App Store together for one price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/992">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► and i Tunes where there's the complete this album button where you buy the rest of the song by the album minus the cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► of the songs you already bought in the album. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► There's a complete the spinal thing on the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► and I'm assuming there is because of these people who are telling me there was where if you bought one app in a two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► hour bundle you could complete this bundle by simply paying the difference for the second app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► and people are proposing this as a terrible confusing way to do upgrade pricing because what you do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► when you have a new version of your app you keep the first version of the app in the store you know there's the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► version at whatever price you want to sell to new users and then you make a bundle that includes the old version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► and the new version for less than the sum of their prices which allows people who already own the old version to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► complete this bundle effectively giving them an upgrade price which again I guess that I think that is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► but it is a clever hack of the rules as presented to me by these people who sent me that information to either of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► know if that stuff is accurate about completeness bundle I do not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► Are there any bundles actually in the store yet that we could even see there are you can make him yet if this is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► true and it actually works like this people will do this for their for their upgrades for upgrade pricing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► and it will be confusing to users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► and so that's a shame like imagine people on their Web sites trying to tell people like if you want to upgrade price. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1073">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► Go get the bundle but do complete this bundle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► and I don't know that this is like if this loophole exists Apple needs to close it now because it's terrible to allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► pricing up because it's so confusing and you know developers would jump on it in a second. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► Everyone will have the stupid instructions on their website telling people how to get upgrade pricing by buying a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► It will also I mean the biggest thing the thing could blow a hole in this is do you have to have all the apps that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► in the bundle still in the absolute by themselves because if you do that means you have to have your old version still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► for sale while your new version is for sale and that's terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► Well so the idea I mean again the terrible prose idea is you keep the old one in the store for a limited time because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► the upgrade pricing would be some windows like a couple months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► and you raise the individual price of the like the standalone old version to something crazy that no one actually buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► of course you know that's like you hope nonlife way by until someone actually buys your you know nine hundred ninety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► nine dollars happen is pissed off that all of this is just like a terrible workaround to get into a loophole to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► your existing customers a cheaper price for your new Apple has so many bad side effects they just need they need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► close this whole I don't know how they will close except they have a complete this bundle thing I don't know how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► Yeah I think it's just one of those things like developers are they're so desperate to they we are so desperate to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► ongoing revenue because you know what happens in the afternoon the paid apis the world was happens you launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► and you get this nice big spike of sales but then it starts dropping and sometimes that drop can be pretty steep. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► So eventually you know you start making not enough money from your current version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► and I go OK well now I I want to work on this new version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► or we have been working on this new version of how to release it. Gotta make more money from this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► Now in the olden days you release a new version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► and charge an upgrade price because the full price was generally high enough you know if you're charging one hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► bucks for the full price of your app and then you release a new. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1196">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► Isn't your existing customers would like it a lot if you get a new version for maybe fifty bucks or forty bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► or whatever so that you know the upgrade discount thing happened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► Well now in the in the I was apps door there's pretty much no good way to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► or the max for this room is no good way to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► and the developers are always looking for a way to get around this and to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► but the reality is all these things are terrible hacks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► and they will all anger some portion of your customers to some degree a matter HOW you do them and or you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► or cause you lots of support cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► and so it just never there is no good solution is the only solution to this is what Apple's doing with their apps in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► the App Store the few Apple apps that they still charge money for in the App Store which that number keeps going down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► but the few apps like the pro apps they charge money for you know logic aperture stuff like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► Final Cut they use they drop all the prices down to a fraction what used to be you know these things used to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1254">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► three hundred dollars six hundred dollars a thousand dollars now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► Like things that were a thousand dollars an hour three hundred dollars things that were three hundred dollars an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► You know the logic is only two hundred like they drop in their prices and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► when a new version comes out it's it's just like Apple hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► or the new version cost the same thing as the old version. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► If you bought the old version too bad you want new and pay full price. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► And that's a little more palatable now than it used to be because the prices have gotten lower it's still kind of sucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► but in a lot of ways it's you know quote fair. It's also from Apple's point of view it's also a very very simple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► The new version of the app is a brand new standalone app the old the old version is removed from the store so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► only buy the new one and upgrades are you know well you're paying less than you used to pay be happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► and so that same model applies to i OS but the prices of course are even lower. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► Instead of a hundred dollars or pain a dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► or five dollars at most you know almost no one's paying over five dollars and eyeless for anything really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1314">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► If you buy you know tweet bought one for three bucks and then next week three but two comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► and it's another three bucks. Too bad like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► That's the attitude that we have to have that their only choice really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► That's what Apple has done with their stuff they're leading the way on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► and I think people are pretty much used to it I mean people complain about are what you do if you charge money there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► always an if you will complain but I don't think you'd have fewer people complaining if you'd upgrade pricing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► and so the reality is this is the world we live in now this is you know Apple has been very clear that if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► do some kind of a grid pricing scheme figured a way of making that purchase you know the purchase is the way that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► add features to an existing app and try to get more money from them. That's that's it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► So the chat room has come through and link us to the documentation for the app bundles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► and to relevant rules from this page from Apple app contains an abundant must be available for sale on their own as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► well so you do have to keep the other old wrap for sale in the store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► and app bundles also sport complete my bundle complete my bundle provide customers who previously purchased one of more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► of the apps included within the bundle an additional discount on the app bundle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► So I don't know for the Streights attraction or price or whatever but perfect so that you can do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► Yeah and I feel people will do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► and I'm not sure how I bore react to it because if they just sort of shrug Oh well they're within the rules we defined. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► I expect there to be some confusion and sadness but it's the App Store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► If you have both versions of your app in the store at the same time they're both paid apps you're going to get so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► angry customers so many angry support emails so many one star reviews. I think that problem will be self-correcting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► It's a terrible terrible idea to have both heard in the store at the same time because people will accidently by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► old one and then be very angry that you spent money on an obsolete app that doesn't entitle them too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► or any of a discount on a new one you know in total. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► And yeah it's well the cry to me that's all they have cranking the price up on the old one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► and then just refunding anyone who likes it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► Only by that in eating thirty percent of the can't refund an Apple has to refund it's a thing we used to develop You [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► can't just put a refund but in the millions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► Sorry I correct that you have no control over that it's this is why it's a terrible idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► Developers Please do not do this it is you will regret it your customers will be upset. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► It is it is just a very very bad idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► I wonder if the people who are most likely to do this are the very few people in the App Store who still have expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► and they want to offer upgrade pricing because like you said upgrade pricing is pointless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► when you're selling three dollars apps right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► But if it's like fifty dollars one hundred dollars Are there any of those left I don't even know used to be that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► was close to that range but now I'm not really anymore these days a low or the average like eighty or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► Anyway Apple's not playing the game the shambles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► or is hobbling us I wonder if there's someone out there with like some specialty CAD application they want their offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► and then we can wait for their blog posts where they cry about their customers going to angry people being confused. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► Yeah I could see you know that the higher the price the more sense it might make to try a scheme like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► but I just I think it's a terrible idea from the start. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► And speaking of looking at web pages a developer dot apple dot com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► and reading about the money where a lot of confusion during the week about what the hell is the N.D.A. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► Because all of us were at the beginning of every session they have now third person come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► and say reminder everything under the in the session is and blah blah blah and like you know the boilerplate text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► and speech that we encountered that ws even the same as every year which is basically the keynote is public a stream to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► the world all the sessions are under N.D.A. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► And they are but the content of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► and according to various blog posts included this new clauses that oh by the way you're allowed to talk about any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► technical information you see in these things you just can't like post screenshots copy and paste text from slides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► or distribute the software or review products or something of that effect but I'm not a lawyer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► and I didn't know what that text meant so we've all been very cautious about it but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► Here I think is the kicker after coming home from the receipt I think we all realize that anybody in any web browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► can go to Apple's developer website without having an account of any kind without signing and agreeing to anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► and simply play videos from the area so you can watch videos of all the sessions of W.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► This year for free without signing any agreement with Apple which means basically that anything contained in those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► videos were allowed to talk about because anybody can see them because it's essentially public information I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► enough about Apple and days to know that if it's public information you can talk about it so that is a relief. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► In one respect in that we don't have to tiptoe around this stuff because it was in a recession. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► We can talk about it if you can just go watch the video right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► and on the other hand what it means is that anybody who cares can sit there watch everybody will have the reason to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► and review because everything everything in those videos you will know more than you're going to learn from my review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► but no one wants a lot of those videos that are probably read anyway because as long as a matter of you it is still way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1616">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► short of annoying everybody. Yeah I think you'll be all right. Anyway our first sponsor this week is a new sponsor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► They actually this is this is a relatively new product actually got the domain name automatic dot com even spelled the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► normal way not like the word press where it's built the actual way that you spell the word automatic automatic is your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► smart driving assistant for your smartphone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► So if you don't like coming into this thing and we actually we talked about this in neutral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► and I think the second to last episode or the third last episode or neutral which you talked about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► and we are probably irresponsible enough drivers Well at least that this would have probably some bad news for so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► So this plugs in it they have a little I think it's a Bluetooth done though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► but they have a little dongle that plugs into the B.D. Which ones the wrapper with the port on board data O.B.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1668">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► Yes yes except in your car that it's a you know it's like in the driver's footwell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► and it's like it's what they call the diagnostic thing into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► when you go get service they have a little a little dongle plays into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► and then that can connect to an app on your phone that they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► and this diagnostic for in almost any modern car can dump out tons of useful information from the engine like what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► know what kind of gas mileage you're getting what the engine is doing what kind of condition the engine is in if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► there's any problems with the engine if you know when the check engine light comes on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► What that really means is there is an error. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► You know it's a boolean like there's something something in your car before an error code. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► This thing can actually tell you what those codes mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► They can decode them for almost all popular car types you can go on the Web site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► and learn more about which ones are supported and everything but it's it's great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► So then they can even tell you how you how you've been doing on your gas mileage you can see of these pretty Grafton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► and you can you can like you know kind of compete with yourself you know you can see how you can do it how much fuel is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► costing around your area and how much your driving style is helping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► or hurting your fuel cost goals they can often you can also remember where you parked and you can locate your car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► and I saw a map and look at their Abbots all you know very like Apple design it's very well made. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► Right now it is i Phone only it is coming soon to Android. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► Oh one more little benefit that they will they benefit potentially if you are in a crash in a serious crash. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► They can actually automatically detect that from the O B D port and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► and they can notify local authorities automatically if you're in a crash so this thing could really help you out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► Hopefully you won't need that feature but if you do you might be glad you have it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► So anyway I thought only coming to an end or this shift in only two business days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► and there's a forty five day return policy to get it try to see if you like it I bet you will is free shipping anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► go to automatic dot com slash a cheapie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► Normally it's ninety nine ninety five and there's no description fees nothing per month for that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1795">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► So under Bush Normally you can get twenty percent off get the thing for eighty bucks an automatic dot com slash A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► Thanks a lot to automatically sponsoring our show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► when we talked about this on neutral it was sort of in the context of a car manufacturer should be ashamed of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► themselves that they're not right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► But now here we are a year or two later or whatever it's been and that's the new status quo with Apple doing Car Play. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► It's like give up on car makers trying to do something Apple just like look just let us take over your screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► and it's sort of externalizing the technology part into a part that you upgrade faster than you upgrade your car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► and never relying on the camera you've actually doing things so it's like you know with automatic There's a sport that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► has information car manufacturers have been really slow to put that information to use especially in non high end cars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► But they all have the sport so why don't we sell this thing that people can buy steak in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1856">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► and use it in conjunction with their smartphone or whatever to sort of add technology to their otherwise inexpensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► and woefully under technology technological fied that's not a word but sounds good. Car Now it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► Stuff as people have noted if you go to the video page which we'll put in the show notes for anyone who wants to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► you see videos the ones that they pretty much never really some video in my recollection are the lunchtime sessions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► which are not technical sessions presented by Apple that Apple invites in guest speakers from various places. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► A couple years ago Pixar did it J.J. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► Abrams was there one year this year the one session that I went to was presented by someone who works for Lucas Film On [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► and he was talking about the new show that the new animated show that he's working on the kind of did a big tour of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► Star Wars universe and his history with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► Those You're not going to be able to find and it's not because I don't think there's any end. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► Things just that I think there deal with the people who want to come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► and speak is we're not going to film you we're not going to release your film just come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► and talk to the people who are attending our conference as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► and I think that's probably an easier sell than a famous person to come here and we'll film you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► and then we'll sell access to your video I release it for free so you won't find a star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► or a session which is the one most nerds are interested in this year I was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► and it was good it was fun it's a shame you can't see it but oh all right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► Some amount more follow up to get through this might be a hypercritical style eighty percent follow up that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► synergies are going to say we could just do this next item [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► and then leave the rest because there's there's one might I'm on cloud and two items on medical stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► but I think maybe we mention the prehaps but I just want to read this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► This point cloud feedback because it was the first time that I had heard this information although I think one of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► This is from anonymous sources who knows amidst real whatever anyway typical cabbie out about feedback do not take this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1972">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► as gospel but here is what this person said in regards to Apple in the cloud. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► Said i Tunes i Cloud of the majority of server based interfacing are handled by a huge division of Apple that acts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► almost like its own company due to sheer size. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► They employ mostly contractors including offshore from my experience they were the slowest responding division by far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► and seem to be completely locked in politics this is like the scenario that we imagined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► and thinking about Apple's cloud stuff like it seems like the people who do that aren't as good as the people who do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► the other stuff I didn't say they were as good I said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► They seem like the one getting the resources or the priority that they need to be good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► Well so here's the next the next bit of us as a software developer outside the division is needed to work with them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► parallel to build something it's a nightmare. Imagine submitting a request to the N.S.A. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► and receiving a piece of paper saying they can't do the technical reason six months later like it's not that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► It's not just of their under-resourced that they seem to be not as responsive like they're not it's not working on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► scene. Team like within Apple you imagine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► All right we got to get the new i Phone out and we need US needs to be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► and whatever framework for these new features need to be on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► and the hardware design like it's all I ever did working together just get this job done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► and then there's this other entity far away disconnected with a huge latency where every time you have to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► them it's like a big turn around time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► and it seems like going on the same page as you are just because they're under-resourced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► or the just because they're remote I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► but this you could if this is true this would explain why their class up has such problems because it's almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► it's not Apple doing it it's like this other entity that's not that's not running the same race with them that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► sort of together on producing this big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► but you know outsourcing this policy they don't outsource your core competency if cloud is an apple core come to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► competency at this point in what it is like they need to think to bring that back in if it really is outsourced like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► this because if this is true it is very depressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► and a bad situation it's almost as if they need increased collaboration. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► Now that will just increase collaboration amongst like the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► and software guys they stop them from finding those of the people who already were working pretty well together. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► This is who knows. So again I don't know if any of this is true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► Anonymous sources who knows but if it is true it confirms my worst fears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► and presumably it is changing like the cloud of good stuff would indicate a change in that direction because it sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► seems like you know that Apple is dog food in it's own stuff and to a degree that they hadn't before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► and that cloud it looks like a much much more sane A.P.I. Than the previous ones much more like the A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► Was that everyone was building for themselves so things are looking up in this area this is a sort of a look backward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► on how things might have been if this is all accurate. Yeah and you know that that does corroborate what I heard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► That's more detail than I'd heard but also I heard from some place we had somebody else I don't oppose same person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► or maybe was around a conversation I had somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► but somebody else said that this actually was like actively changing and you know so like Federighi was now able to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2151">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► It kind of push against that to some degree and you know get stuff moving and that apparently changes were happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► and with that that's all that we know really that we and as we really know that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► But it basically sounds like it has been bad and it's it is still a little bit bad but is is making progress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► and I think what Apple is showing what they're announcing and even just how their stuff is performing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► Recently I think like the results seem to be bearing that out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► That seems like a plausible explanation of what we're seeing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► Anyway before I move on to the official topics on which punch about of the way because we were a little late to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2192">TS</a>]
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00:37:08 ◼ ► or new stuff comes out you can even use on the dot com to learn new applications for a new you know creative endeavors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2228">TS</a>]
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00:38:00 ◼ ► We moved the pressure in her head like well do I really want to learn about this thing for another three dollars you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► know you don't have to worry about that twenty five bucks a month get unlimited access to their entire catalog so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2286">TS</a>]
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00:38:15 ◼ ► but you know what you want a few minutes of it and see and then you're going to go out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► I always assumed it would be harder or oh that's how you can do this cool thing I never knew that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► So anyway go to Lynda dot com L Y N D A dot com slash A.T.P. and You can get a free seven day trial. Go check it out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► You know see for yourself. You know we've all three of us have watched stuff on there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► I learned a lot from their stuff especially with some of the pod cast production stuff that I've done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► And chances are I'll probably go in there to learn Swift or Jason or sorry note [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► or all sorts of they have all sorts of language courses you can even learn P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► If you're the only person on earth who doesn't know it yet John. And you can learn all sorts of new stuff there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► Three printing they even have three D. Printing I mean they have this crazy stuff go check it out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2335">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► These are not nicely produced professional video tutorials. L Y N D A dot com slash A.T.P. It is Linda dot com with a Y.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► When the dot com slash A.T.P. Thanks a lot Linda for sponsorship. Once again pretty sure I've written more P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► Than Casey that's possible but not necessarily true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► When I work when Aaron and I got engaged I had a old Think Pad running some flavor of a burn to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► and I wrote our wedding website in P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► and This was actually my first exposure to databases because I had always been writing client side apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► and so I wrote a web site which allowed you to R.S.V.P. Online and I was extremely proud of myself that was all P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► and I thought that went really well and still my friend who had an apostrophe in a surname went to register [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► and all of a sudden everything took a took. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► Turn because I didn't properly escape everything but like I said it was my first experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► and that was that one pretty well and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► and I didn't we didn't have to use the knot in order to do that because I know everyone used to use the Not at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► point and I didn't want to you when you really wanted to show Aaron right up front what she was getting into. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► Basically yes. Yeah and she stole your sense of that idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► You've done the right so anyway what are we talking about tonight. Marco's macro woes. Oh yes how could I forget. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► So that's fun. So what happened. I woke up to a computer that was showing signs of disk failure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► Basically it had totally locked up like you could still move the mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► and everything you could still launch party to sort of invoke commands and you know click on stuff and move stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► but anything that would cause a disk access would just freeze whatever you were using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► and you know so I tried like I couldn't even like you know launch a console like I try to launch a console app to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2454">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► if that was shown anything useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► and I couldn't even do that because that would require reading from the desk so I thought oh crap my interest is dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► and I rebooted and rebooted and rebooted and could never get past the gray spinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► and verbose mode it would stop at the how do you pronounce the F.S.E. K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► This command checking thing to spell it out fine anyway it wouldn't get paid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► It was doing that and would never finish it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► I give lots of time I I gave it an hour to feel like taking a lot of finish. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► No it wasn't it was just stuck and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► and I were sore from from a super duper clone which is by far the fastest recovery method. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► And so I did that it was fine and you know some find a backup now everything's fine. It seems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► Oh and for whatever it's worth while it was in the unbearable state I booted from the clone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► and ran Disk Utility against the damaged disk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► It appeared to have no errors if I did the whole repair verify everything reported nothing wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► In conclusion it appears as though this is almost certainly a file system related problem and you know I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► Anyway this is boring but I had an issue that caused an of destruction to make the disk on bootable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► and it seems to have been related to the files a transition which was eight of us plus doing you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► That's again a verbal son of a snail. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► Yeah well I don't have one of those crazy soundboards I can buy on a regular had a button I love I get by on it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► how it's so good but I couldn't even tell you why it's just so good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► It's it's so bad that it's so good and then I know what that's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► It's the show that it's it's like it's like no one the guy from office space like you know it's like you know the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► got fired six years ago and no one told them. And their biggest keep going in every day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► It's just this ongoing piece of performance art between two people who are very funny together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► and just have nothing to talk about because the show is like totally off the rails. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► Now it's so wonderful and it is it is comical it is such good humor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► and the funny part is you're sitting there listening thinking why am I still listen to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► and they're sitting there perusing it saying why are we still producing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► and yet it works I don't know why it works but it does work and it's hilarious and I really enjoy it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► Agree I hope it didn't pay for that spot the other much a really selling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► But why am i still listening to this as my garment. No nobody should be listening to it but I listen to it I love it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► I completely agree with everything you just said it's so good I think they would I think they would agree with me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► think they would say don't listen to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► Oh it's so wonderful because he really got it like the entire show like if you think back to work is a show of in jokes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► You have no idea. Because by our Nick is one entire show made of nothing but in jokes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► It's ridiculous and it's wonderful in every possible way. Yeah it is really quite good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► Anyway I we are talking about that how do we even get there. Dang soundboards edge of us now right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► OK Anyway so I put the link of the show to this article that a bazillion people have sent me on Twitter from this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► person complaining about eight of us plus because they had a bunch of photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► and it was like something like fifteen thousand photos stored over six years and he grins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► and check sums to compare I guess he had a valid checksum someplace and compared it to the file star nature S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► Plus and he lost twenty eight files over six years and these are images and some of them are some of these like J. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► Pegs with half loads on them alone and clearly this is what we're talking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► Rot you know that digital storage is not forever and errors will be introduced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► and at their interest in your images you may lose some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► or all of individual pictures like if the air is towards the end maybe you build the most of the picture of there in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► the middle either to the top of the picture maybe there's some clever thing they can recover those maybe the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► files Hosni just got a bunch of static or garbage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► but anyway that's a shame if that's the only copy of the picture you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► and his article talks about a trust plus now it's all that how it's crappy influence over there a lot of people some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► you think going to talk about they trust us rightly respond guy has backed me up said bus was this crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► and I didn't respond to most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► and I don't really tweet out the link to the article because this article is not really about Age of us plus being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► I already wrote a bit about each of us was incredibly in one of my reviews that is linked to in this article at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► in an addendum it's just what is crappy and it does corrupt itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► and I'm not even sure that's what having the Marcos thing because he thought he said everything was OK so it's about us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► probably didn't corrupt and that it is structured probably does think it is keeping track of everything is something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2752">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► That is sort of a separate issue where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► when data goes bad on disk the metadata keeping track of where that date is could be perfectly valid like address what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► has not corrupted itself and knows where all of your data is for everything or files that data itself is garbage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► and does not care what the content of that data just needs to keep track of it and remember where it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► and how much is available free and how much is occupied and where each piece of individual files are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► and what are they going and does fail us plus does fail in many respects in doing that job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► and that is one of my complaints about each of us plus of the second complaint of a restless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► and all sort of file systems that predate the dawning of reliability of getting religion about reliability. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► They don't care what your date is either they just cross their fingers and hope the disk storage system is reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► and the FS was the first file system to the first popular file system to get serious about saying that we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► take responsibility for keeping track of whether the stuff you wrote to disk is what is still there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2816">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► and it would do that would check sums not just check some of the metadata [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► but also checksums on the data itself which is complication expensive and takes memory and has all these limits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► but the of us would be able to detect errors in the storage system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► Sometimes there isn't the hard drive sometimes there is a disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► and sometimes there are in the driver stack in the operating system no matter where the source of the error is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► first thing was like and then data protection where if we write data and then later on go to read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► and if what we read is not what we wrote originally we will tell you that there's a problem that doesn't save your data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► it's still garbage but then you can if you have the ability to detect when something went wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► If you're using any form of redundant storage would you have us offered itself where you could store your data twice on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► disk or three times and disk you could use a multi disc scenario you could have backup so on and so forth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► The key is having the files and let you know immediately. Oh this data is bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► Ah but I know I have another copy the state over there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► and I can tell of that date is good so I don't have to guess like all this one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2876">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► There are there must be good I can also check out when that date is that let me write it back on top of this one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► Let me you know you know sort of the self healing file system not knowing whether your data is bad like this person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► manual emitted by the checksums or whatever and then compare them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► If you don't know your data is bad you won't find out that your data is hosed until that corrupt data is like spread to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► all of your backups it's been pushed to your cloud backup it's all it's you know your last three months worth of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► backups have long since been overwritten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► and all you have the corrupt data because you don't have your data going back to being a time all you have is multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► and you all know that again until like you're trying to get pictures for some of high school graduation you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► baby picture and you realize the baby picture you wanted is corrupt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► If you had a file system that had ended integrity the file system could notify that notify you of that immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► when it happened and could potentially repaired it from a good copy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► So that's I think what this this article is really complaining about that or thousands are not like the FS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► and offer data integrity guarantees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2939">TS</a>]
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00:49:07 ◼ ► and people do tweet about that all the time but that's not really what this article is about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/2947">TS</a>]
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00:52:24 ◼ ► and I did not mean the flavor of music so I am not at all qualified to talk about any three D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► Programming anything because I've never really done it and Mark I don't believe you have either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► That is not true now really I am slightly slightly a hair above completely unqualified excellent because I in college. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► I tried writing I tried writing a three D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► Version of scorched earth and I tried it in like three different languages using at least two different graphics A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► Direct X. First an Open G.L. and Something else using Open G.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3176">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► It was basically it was my way of fooling around with various threes other learning in college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► and then I used my most recent version of that as a demo to get myself my first job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► and I never was three programming again so I know enough very basics of three D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► Programming as it stood in two thousand and three and two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► and four so it's probably completely useless by today's standards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► and I would never consider myself a knowledgeable programmer at all however I at least know like the kinds of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► that little graphic A.P.I. Is do right so John want to help me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► Oh I think I know any more about it I mean I've done about the same amount of three Perris Marco alike demo apps on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► I was in college you know where you just get something up on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► and maybe move it around you're like Well that was really hard I'm not doing anymore because it's super hard to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► anything impressive about the screen especially like that but I mean I really do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► If you want to know about metal as an A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► To start listening to debug and eventually guy English will say enough things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3236">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► Because he actually is qualified to know and he's actually a real game programmer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► So listen to what he says about metal and you'll you'll learn more about this summer as well as what's important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► and we're going to talk about it from business perspective but it's like Open G.L. and Open G.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► Yes is what Apple does using previously these are open standards that are in theory not controlled by any one company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► there's a consortium blah blah blah is a very old standard that evolved over the years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► when these standards were created the current crop of three D. Hardware current G.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► Use did not exist in this form and so the A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► Even though it has evolved over the years has had to maintain backward compatibility. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► It is not well suited to current hardware not just in the particular details because a lot of those handled by driver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► but just in terms of the programming model like what do you do you you issue a series of function calls that set things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► up and then cause them to be drawn and like the the sequence of events that are presented through an open jail A.B.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3294">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► Have almost no bearing on what's actually happening with the hardware in terms of when does something happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► when do command get sent to the G.P.U. when Does the things that are going to be drawn get sent to the G.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► Use memory how do things get written back how does that affect this a lot of that happens in the driver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► but this is another level of indirection So you're there like doing things step by step in your program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► and there's like this whole other program going on behind the scenes to manage that stuff to say all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► when should I ship the stuff off to the G.P.U. So it's available in time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► Oh wait the purpose read something back from the G.P. You actually have to stall and read back from the G.P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► A preview to the G.P. It was two frames ahead of the C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► But now to see if you want to read the data back so we have to wait for it to catch up and rethink our knives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► and there's latency between C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► but If you if you don't accept a latency you might not be able to utilize in the G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► and All sorts of details come from the mismatch between this relatively high level A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► That does not acknowledge the existence of the G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► In its current form and what's actually going on behind the scenes so that requires game programmers to do all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3355">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► Sort of a boo do stuff with it like well I know if I do the sequence of events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► and do this little thing here it will force these things all the uploads of the G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► and I know if I do this my shaders will be compiled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► and will be ready for me there's nothing with open the other is Open G.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► Shader language and that sort of a high level language whereas to be compiled for the individual G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► and Whether that happens at the time your program runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► or at the time it draws a frame where you want your you want your face to be precompiled and Direct X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► Has this method with a pre-compiled I'm down to sort of a not byte code more compact form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► and then Apple's drivers had a use L V M for that document anyway it's it's extremely complicated world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► and what developers who do three D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► Programming want to do is say this is way too complicated I can't keep track of all the different machines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► and you know the Rube Goldberg device that causes graphics to go off on the screen if you just gave me a programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► model that was a closer match to the way things actually happen it would be a lot easier to get something that performs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► well I don't wide range of hardware. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► Metal is an interesting entry into that field because first of all metal right now only works on I.O.'s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► So certainly it's not helping people deploy their you know write code that's going to work on a wide variety of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► or wide variety of hardware going forward I'm sure they will expand support for it I'm sure it supports the gate now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► you know all that other good stuff and who knows little support in the future but for now is very narrowly constrained. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► But the programming model of metal does fit closer to the way things work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► It shows you here's a command buffer that share your commands up bachelor things up ship them off to the G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► In the correct order like we're exposing all these things that were previously happening the driver that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► completely opaque to you. We expose them as objects and you have a programming language that lets you construct them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► Package them up send them off you know and it's much cleaner than Open G.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► and It is a great fit for the way modern G.B. Use works today and the reason Apple thinks this is something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3473">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► That's going to help people is not because they think people are going to write their programs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► and meddle in target only a seven device a greater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► but because the people who make the game engines which they had on the stage during the keynote that's why they had you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► know epic up there with their real engine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► and they showed unity in all the other game is out there that has names like I remember like the big four engine makers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► for three D. Engines that's almost game makers use writing a three D. Engine is super hard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► Well if the engine middleware makers make a make sure their engines are able to run with metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► when they're running on the A seven then anyone who develops a game on top of that engine gets the advantage of oh if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► you play my game on a seven I'll get better performance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► So it's an interesting move by Apple to sort of try to get away from Open G.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► and Take control of their own destiny with a more modern A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► and It's also interesting that they didn't choose to do it Microsoft did which is my guess I want to keep it open G.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► Years and years ago an image Direct X. Which learned from open jails mistakes and was more modern but is not that new. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3535">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► I mean metal as much and with an open jail of course A.M.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► Has mantle which is a similar type of thing to metal as far as I'm aware I have not read a lot about Mandel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► but a sort of a closer to the metal which the missing where Apple got its name mantle as a closer to the metal A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► It's one of the few areas in computing where the A P I's are actually getting not so much a lower level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► but like exposing more of the foibles of the hardware rather than going the other direction rather than abstractly at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► all because Open G.L. Is more and more distant from the hardware then either mantle or metal or probably direct X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► For that matter. So that's the situation with metal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► when Apple announcement on the keynote I tweeted something to the effect of so is Double going to make a game console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► or what. They just made their own sort of low level game console a type three D. A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► They've got a little box that you connect to a T.V. They've got controller support A.B.I. Built into Iowa. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3594">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► It's a room kids expecting them to offer some way to put apps on the Apple T.V. What's the deal here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► Are they going to make one of they're not going to make one of the just going to dance around this until they have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► the pieces of a dentist refuse or do I think I know I could do with books for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► and years where they had all the pieces in place to be the world's dominant bookmaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► and then just let Amazon do it because they couldn't be bothered. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► And this comes up because there was a strategic Post today that says Apple T.V. Might just how adult E.M.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► Disrupt Microsoft and Sony that talks about the same issue. Have you guys read this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► Yeah I think it's interesting I mean it's different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► You know one of the one of one of Ben's main arguments there is that the official you know high profile game consoles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► out there are these very like high end hot expensive devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► and that you know that it is necessarily a kind of keeping them high end because there are these like these four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► hundred dollar boxes that you know kind of locks out casual gamers who are just not worth them spending four hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3653">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► bucks on on the Xbox. Meanwhile so many people are getting things like the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► or Roku or the the new Amazon firey box whatever it is that the Marlins felt good anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► So many people are getting these these you know little cheat boxes that can stream video or watch Netflix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► and that that model of that market is probably very likely to disrupt the game market at some point soon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► I mean basically I mean I think if you look at metal I mean metal is really interesting just because you know look it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► but it's worth asking why they made metal you know why did Apple put so much effort into something that is entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► about games because Apple historically has held. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► We were talking about this a couple of weeks ago how Apple just doesn't really seem to care about games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► Obviously they do. We were at least partially wrong on that. I don't think it's entirely about games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► Oh well because I mean think think about the games as one big aspect of it definitely. But the whole U.I. Uses Open G.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► and Viewed through the lens of I.O.'s metal sights look more like a battery saving feature where they can more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► With more precision exactly doling out the commands to it in the right order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► and having you know ten times faster draw call performance and all these things that benefits their make their U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► Snappier and has a potential battery savings because you're spending less time flogging the G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► To get your stuff done and their whole U.I. Is basically it's not a three D. Game but it's all open G.L. On an i O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► And on the mac for that matter these days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► So there is a platform benefit to it even if no game maker ever used I don't think they would have gone through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► and clearly game makers like metal because like all the big engines are saying yes we're going to support it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3775">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► and I don't think Apple had to twist their arms because this is what game makers want they want their games to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► faster. They don't like fighting with Open G.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► Yes trying to figure out what weird incantations they have to do to get good performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► and you know game makers want good battery life too they don't want people to play a game and have a destroyer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► Your phone's battery that's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► and I also I think it's very obvious that there are a number of major strategic benefits here like you know obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► you know a lot of people are saying oh well this will encourage people to write games only for I O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► And I think that's a number of people who made that decision based on metal is probably very very small because most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► people aren't writing this little code I mean you know the people people are the engines. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► They're writing code at this level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► and they're possibly investing into making metal ports for their engines that will you know they're not going to stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► You know they're still going to like the big engines out there one licenses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► or uses they're still going to have Open G.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► Verse they can keep running on Android and everything else that's not going to stop doing that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3835">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► But it will reinforce the pretty frequent idea that games while they might run on Android stuff they usually run better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► on I us and it's usually because most you know most interest if out there has a pretty wide range of G P U's and G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► Power and some of the cheap Android stuff like some of the cheap Android tablets. Historically it had very weak G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► Power compared to comparable I us devices partially at a cost partially out of other concerns who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► but for whatever reason Entergy views have historically sucked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► And yes I know there are some devices that are good ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► but I think the average is pretty bad for what's actually sold. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► And I think this is a way for us for Apple to keep that legal and for for a while longer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► You know as the Android stuff gets better hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► and starts catching up I think this is this is a way to be able to keep that lead going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► but ultimately I think this does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► They were very specific that this is for the A seven well and for the eight you assume I mean like obvious obviously. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3896">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► But yeah I mean it's a total Apple thing to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► What other company could even you know could feasibly do this because Apple has such a limited line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► and is so relentless about moving things forward and doesn't really care that this A.B.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► Doesn't apply to their old things. It's going to apply to all of their I.I.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► Devices from this time forward assessing the i Pod Touch the A seven in the future. Oh yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► Apatow if you just I think the fact that this is a seven only thirty seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► and above only probably signifies that if Apple's going to enter the game market the way they're going to do it is by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► waiting until there's an eighty seven. The Apple T.V. and Then they are right. Hey now we have this thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► Start making games for it and I think I think we're waiting until that becomes economical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► and that's why we don't have an Apple T.V. S.T.K. Yet and that's why the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► Hardware has done very little in the last few years that it has moved forward very little. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► I think they're just waiting for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► That's until they can combine this thing you know keep the same price point a hundred bucks maybe even drop it by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► twenty thirty bucks would probably keep keep it one hundred bucks and eventually put an a seven in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► and that heck that might be this fall. It would be a little aggressive but they could probably do it if they wanted to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► I think is a very good chance of that happening and that happening soon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► That might even be the big fall thing is hey you know you guys were all talking about wearables that nobody wants. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► We kind of made a game system that's going to kick butt in the market because going to sell a ton of them anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► and then you can start making games for using all of our existing infrastructure using metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► and here's a new controller so the controlling doesn't suck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► and that's it I mean that that would be a pretty amazing fall like I said during the very seeking out Apple has all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► pieces to make to make a run of this exact strategy and an expensive box with with pretty good three D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► Performance they've got you know their own. They've got their own ship they have turned G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► They got their own they've got now a low level console style A.P.I. For doing three D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4017">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► In taking advantage of that hardware. They've got the you know the A.P.I. For controller support. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► Unfortunately all those pieces the technology pieces are not the hard part of being successful in the game console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► Just ask Microsoft getting the technology right is good but it's I don't think it's even necessary necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► I don't think it's even necessary to get the tech right that we use technology was disgusting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► and they were success so the hard part of being successful in the game market is how do you get how do you get people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► who spend money on games to buy your thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► and the answer is I go they'll buy it because it's like you know it's a great T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► Puck to watch Netflix on or whatever so they have they have and it's cheap so that will get people to buy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► and then how do you get game developers to develop good games for your platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► and just ask people how easy that is to do it is really really hard and probably cost. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4073">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► The tension the billions of dollars if you want to make a run at this market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► and get all those people who are currently buying sixty other games for the P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► and we've talked about before the next generation councils announced the question was Is there still a place in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► market for big expensive devices that play mostly or only games the answer is yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► People love the P S four it is selling pretty well certainly well enough to make Sony happy Michel's console so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► pretty All's Well no I want to you because it's crappy. Maybe they're there you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► Three was this past week so maybe an intent was fortunate arise next year we don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► but this generation of consuls I would say is success and when this generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► and the next generation last the same question again does anyone actually stupid four hundred dollar boxes the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► want to visit us for a game that question will be asked again. This generation is true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► If no one wants those boxes and there's no one out there none of people to sustain that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► The potential for the entire gaming market to switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► and I'm done dollar pocks I think most gamers would consider that kind of a bad situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► and the questions are so few of those people it doesn't matter where they think they'll be said but oh well who cares. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► It's like the command line people being sad when the GUI came and took over everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► and they just went play with Linux and no one cared about them anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► I don't think that scenario is likely though even though these so-called core gamers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► and I hate that term because it makes no sense for the so-called core gamers even though they are not the majority. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► They sure as hell spend a lot of money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► When when when a game has always been the chat room and a game like Grand Theft Auto five comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► and makes a whole Julian dollars. Casual gamers are not buying that right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► Hardcore gamers are paying sixty dollars a pop for these games. They're doing it willingly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► They're happy with the results and they pump a huge amount of money into the ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► and it's not like just a few wails like Candy Crush where most of the money is made off of these poor addicted small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► group of people and everyone else just kind of use that for a little while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:54 ◼ ► or everybody pay sixty dollars to a grand theft auto and those people still. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4194">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► and that I think is the business that that Apple would have a seriously hard time getting into because as we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► discussed previously it doesn't seem like Apple's that into games if you're not that into games is no way you going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► do what it takes to woo the good developers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► But there had to have some of their own like parts I said hello and Sony's got it all it's own first party games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► and Mario and all ducking and all that stuff. I don't think Apple can be a player in that market. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► Well I don't think Apple wants to be a player in that market. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► Well that was the question I going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► and I said to Ben Thompson is like that's the things that they have are the tech going green to be a player in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► but it sure seems like Apple doesn't want to market why would you want to be part of what by all accounts is a declining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► market despite the fact that is clearly feasible now to make tons of money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► Why would Apple one in a market is that a market is taking off like a rocket ship to the sun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► and is going to be super awesome for years to come from. Doesn't seem like it right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► So why would Apple be saying we really need to get in on this market we really need to make a device that's competitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4255">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► with the P S five and the X. Box whatever the hell they're going to call it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► I don't I don't see Apple thinking that that is a good thing to do regardless of whether they could do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► but that wasn't that wasn't Ben's point though was it I thought pins point was more to grab the portion of the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► that's more like Marco and I where we don't really take games too seriously but we do enjoy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► and hey man if we've already got this Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► Box sitting of well I mean presumably a new one you know I just bought this Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► You know just to please games maybe I should give that a shot see if that's any good. And yes they may have this one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► This world class OK that might be a stretch but they may have this really really great hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► and really really great tool chain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► But that's kind of ancillary to the thought that here's a low cost box that makes for really easy consumption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► and I think that was more Ben's point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► Yeah but the Apple already has that market it's called the i Phone you know if you look at look at what they used. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4315">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► Game consuls do and you look at the direction they are going they have all decided. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► Even even the previous generation and I mean not not the P S two but that you know but the P S three the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► and the we the first week they all started adding all these media center features ones like you know streaming Netflix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► became a thing and all the streaming videos like the you know that all happened in the last generation consuls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► and they all added these features and they also give in to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► and they all with their current generation the new generation with the exception of the way you which didn't really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► this kind of stuff but the other ones move much further towards looked at media center role [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► and there's you know people who buy these things if you have very little interest in playing games you're probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► buying an X. Box One in the new X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► Box wants to the name or the four you're probably not going to think that's worth it which is what that article says. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4368">TS</a>]
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01:13:08 ◼ ► you know maybe maybe your kids want once you get a for your kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4388">TS</a>]
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01:13:30 ◼ ► Six like that was not us that was that was possibly never us it was definitely not us now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4410">TS</a>]
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01:13:45 ◼ ► to be these media boxes also they're trying to push in this direction. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4425">TS</a>]
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01:14:05 ◼ ► Here's a game controller for it and an app store you can spend three dollars to buy a game for it if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4445">TS</a>]
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01:14:26 ◼ ► Features the i had it because it's right there you might as well do it you have the hardware available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4466">TS</a>]
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01:14:36 ◼ ► and people are not going to buy the Apple thing to play games unless Apple get serious about games because well Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► will be competing with is the one thousand dollars box from Playstation which they've had for a while in Europe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► and they just they renamed and their interest in the U.S.'s Playstation T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► Why would you buy the ninety nine dollars box and Play Station that streams Netflix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► and does whatever the hell they're going to do. You know like does all the same things that the little T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4496">TS</a>]
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01:15:09 ◼ ► thing where I can play the old old P S three games I was a streaming service a place to be to games natively. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► Like it's always going to have the better games but if you don't care about games you'll buy the Amazon Fire T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► Implant rebirth or you buy the Apple one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► and play whatever I.O.'s game support to it like that bifurcation in the market already exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► and everyone thought like the i O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► Apps or was going to totally disrupt the gaming space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4527">TS</a>]
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01:15:46 ◼ ► have the core gamer market and the casual gamer market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4546">TS</a>]
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01:16:08 ◼ ► and Apple has certain kinds of games that they have locked up like you know the Iowa style games they have them first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► they have the best they run the best there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► but they don't have the kinds of games that people tend to sit in front of a T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4577">TS</a>]
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01:16:27 ◼ ► thing that people sit in front of T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4587">TS</a>]
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01:16:32 ◼ ► They would prefer to get the Playstation park for a similar price and play those games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4592">TS</a>]
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01:16:47 ◼ ► attention grab based on the fact that Mark and I both have these brand new Apple T.V.'s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4607">TS</a>]
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01:17:26 ◼ ► we if we buy a lot of stuff on i Tunes if we buy a lot of movies and T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► Shows on i Tunes We're going to buy the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4649">TS</a>]
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01:17:40 ◼ ► afford one then the other factors that go into these various media ecosystems that these things are made to play are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► going to play a big role in that decision. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4668">TS</a>]
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01:18:00 ◼ ► Again he'll choose the Amazon more of the Avalon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► but the whole the premises article is how Apple might disrupt Microsoft and Sony and it's not disrupting Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► and Sony if people are not changing their purchase decisions if you're going to always buy Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► and How games are as a bonus you are not you know disrupting Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► or Sony unless you are previously going to buy a P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► and you decide you know what instead I'm going to buy the Apple thing because that's good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4699">TS</a>]
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01:18:27 ◼ ► take your low end thing and buy that instead of the high end thing and you have to eat your way up the chain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4707">TS</a>]
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01:18:47 ◼ ► and again people thought this is going to happen in the mobile game space like oh you think these mobile games are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► crappy in casual but soon they're going to just destroy the entire market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► and no one's going to be able to like a low end disruption to these games using an Uber is a stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► and I want to play that and candy crush is dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► but you just wait in five years there won't even be a high end market because low in disruption will destroy them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► That has not yet happened. It doesn't seem like it's happening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4746">TS</a>]
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01:19:17 ◼ ► or whatever you just have to have the really good games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► and thus far Apple has not shown that it's willing to do what it takes to get the really good games to stop people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► think you know what I was going to buy but I don't need anymore. All my gaming needs are now met by this Apple device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► I get your point your point is correct that Apple will not take over the high end but I think I think you know Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4771">TS</a>]
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01:19:51 ◼ ► And with such a massive price advantage I mean you see this all the time this is classic disruption was saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► there would be no more INS lowness ruction there is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► Not that the hind is not viable the No one can be I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► and they don't have to take over land they are known to be dying it is not viable but that's what I'm saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► If this is going to happen I would think we'd be seeing it happen already. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► Like that there is no more room for I and games are not a thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► Apple doesn't have to get those customers they just have to starve the companies that make them to death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4815">TS</a>]
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01:20:24 ◼ ► and I don't think that can happen because I think enough people want really good games the kind of which Apple has has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► thus far shown it is not willing or able to get made for its platform. Me anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► I think one thing Apple has going for it is that in the realm of T.V. Connected parks. Apple has a good store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► Amazon has a pretty good store in the game console makers are not that great about having a nice convenient app stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► that regular people can use that don't suck or don't have your credit card stolen from them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► Speaking of Sony Microsoft may be doing a little bit better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4857">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► The one advantage all the Apple has is they have experience in selling you three are things like trying to clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► and people are familiar with their stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► and if they can leverage their I.O.'s advantage that you can sell you buy it here and you can play it on your T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► and all these other things like that that is an advantage they have in the gaming space for for casual gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► but the way I see it playing out unless something changes seriously is that your T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4880">TS</a>]
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01:21:36 ◼ ► and the ratios I imagine would be similar there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► and I do think it's a declining market I think the people who want to go to games is declining. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4899">TS</a>]
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01:21:56 ◼ ► its bets with its little T.V. Puck thing saying well if it's going to happen we should do it to us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/4916">TS</a>]
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01:25:01 ◼ ► Well just to be clear the likelihood I cannot play this game until somebody you'll be able to play it on your mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► and other places and talking about a year or so right now I'm going to take my headphones off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► and just watch the chat room and everything for me this is going to be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► but we need those job Zinga taking my headphones off by its a gun yes or safe. OK so where should I start. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► I guess at the beginning I've done all my homework I play the game now four times and I listen to the incomparable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► and I read your article so homework done so you tweeted after you played with in a mode not a mode you conversant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► enough to know what you meant by that emoji [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► but it was like the biting down teeth kind of like what it made it seem like is that you did not like this game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► when you first played it well the first time I played it without anything just sitting down playing it knowing nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► I didn't like it. So so explain that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► Well I thought first of all so spoiler bow I thought like the people who I was with were a I so I was like This is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► stupid this person just walking around with me I'm just doubled. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► And then I felt like it was a game that I got siphoned through so that is super interesting because that's why I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► Like I told Marco to make sure that the Playstation was connected to the network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► but not to tell you that it was a net or game because I don't want people to know that people are real people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► and it's interesting to see some people play the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► and immediately realize those are other people some people play the entire game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► or just assume their AI the entire game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► and then because there's really no like the challenge you just kind of like Who's through this world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► and you do some things and you know certain things will attack you but there are no real cause no consequences for it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► So I was just like it's just boring. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► Here's what I was hoping I was hoping that as a gamer you would realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► when the people are interacting with you that they couldn't possibly be because they exhibit behaviors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► and no way I could possibly exhibit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► Well maybe like the people that I played with were just kind of like helping me like jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► and walking around with me they weren't doing anything extraordinary. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► But after I listened to the incomparable and then realized that they were real people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► and then I started getting into like everything that you guys were talking about on that episode about why it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► beautiful game and why it was good and why it was fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► and the whole article that you wrote about people being nice to each other and all that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► That made me want to play the game again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► when I played it the second time I really felt like I got it you know I was also playing with someone who was like showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► me where things were so I can get my scarf really long so that was fun so I was like following him around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► and so I felt like that was I guess more of the right way to play the game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► Yeah you only get one chance to play for the first time which is kind of a bummer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► and I guess that I think I set an example I feel lucky that my first play through was so perfect in the way that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5272">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► As a gamer who like plays things on hard mode was that you wouldn't that you wouldn't to like realize that there are no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► consequences for failure because you wouldn't fail like that you wouldn't be attacked by those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► and realize oh in the matter HOW MANY TIMES attack I never died just my soffit scarf get shorter until a certain point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► I don't actually die at is an incomparable great thing about the game is it doesn't tell you what the consequences are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► so you don't you don't have a health meter you don't know what it takes for you to die or if you can diet also. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► So if you're in a particular mind that you might be like I don't know what's going to happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► I have nothing to fall back on I can't look at my number of hearts up on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► and know that I'm OK if I get hit once for all I know it's a single hit death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► and I don't want to die because I'm in the middle of this experience with this other person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► or even defining what kind of gamer you are even if you assume it's an AI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► and the type of person who could find themselves getting attached to an AI like if there was just a really good AI in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► the game and I felt like protective of it or attached to it as a companion I would be sad if it died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:57 ◼ ► or the like in my journey experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5337">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► when I was playing with that person even though I realize the person I would feel like they let them down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► But like when you're hiding in those little and the little pieces in the snowy part and someone pokes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► and I go now you're both screwed because you made a mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► and I just felt terrible that I did that person it was like attention for the rest of the game that I had let this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► Yeah I mean I totally get that and I specially felt that the second time through like I was really upset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:23 ◼ ► when I lost my my companion the second time I played it because he was helping me do all this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5363">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► Averaged you know on par with the Dragon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► and I was really upset I was like waiting for the mikes to give my little song in the dark like at the end like waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► and then I ended up in a second the next level with some like little tiny short scarf new black jumping up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► and down like yesterday and he was like singing and yelling and jumping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► and I'm like I can't help you I don't know what I'm doing so I did left him in the dust and I kept on going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► and then my long scar friends showed up again and so I like Joyce and longs to gather and so that was really great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5393">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► And but that was again my second experience when I knew it was a real person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► And then but the first time I played through right at the end the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► when you're going up the tower the snow tower my like a little buddy who I was with who I thought was an AI like froze [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► to death he just like sat down and was like shivering and not moving and I was like singing at him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► and nothing was happening so I just went on alone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► when I was the first time I thought like OK so I had a companion through the middle of the game I didn't have one in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► the beginning and then he kind of like froze to death at the end. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► and alone I'm like OK I guess this is just the time that I don't have a double of me that I go up with so it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► definitely the first time around wasn't as fun as the second time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► What I told my wife when she was asking so that I thought you didn't like the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► and she was asking why I said My theory was that since you are a gamer that I didn't know that you had that you thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:55 ◼ ► and I the whole time of this fits is that if you feel like you're playing a game the whole time you're playing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5455">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► and this would hurt for somebody who plays games on hard because you want like a challenge like if you were always in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► the headspace of I am playing a game it's kind of like if you watch a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► and you're always in the headspace of I'm watching a movie the movies they get you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5470">TS</a>]
01:31:13 ◼ ► You forget you're watching a movie and you feel like you're experiencing what you're experiencing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5473">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► and if your journey relies entirely on that happening because not every game does like if you're playing a first person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► shooter and super hard mode you can feel like you're playing a game the whole time it's totally satisfying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► I mean the thing about Journey was I felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5488">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► when sometimes you're going through like some of the areas I felt like I could just let go of my controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► and it would just go there for me you know like I was just being funneled through the game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► Well yeah like it is you can't you can't feel like you're playing a game like this yes if you think about it for two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► seconds you realize all the sections on rails like and like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► but it's like you know you can't you can't think that way you have to you have to think I am here this is happening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► me and why whatever one of the sections where you're sort of surfing down the hill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► and stuff the reason I found those those levels so amazing is because like early in the game you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5515">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► Well as you can slide and it's just it's just like there's no point there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► There's no you're not you don't get extra points for going through the little stanchions you know the little gate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► but that's not there like oh you have to do that you have your bonus No it's all about just having fun you had to feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► like you're there and enjoying the little sort of a dolphin things diving through the sand and going the why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:19 ◼ ► Because do you get some reward when you jump on their heads. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► No you jump ahead because it's fun and you really have to just feel like you're there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► and if the entire time you feel like you're playing a game then it's like well this game is not challenging this game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► is not interesting this game doesn't offer me anything doesn't offer me extra power up extra weapons all the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► that you would you know in a game in a game where you can be OK if you like to play a game you have to not feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► you're playing a game for this and feel like you have an experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► and realizing there are other people probably helps you with that because then it's like oh I'm not playing a game in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► Suddenly you feel like you know people like texting walking down the street [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► and the expressions on their face are you know angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► or joyful Oh yeah yeah yeah they're holy they're going through all the emotions of what's happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5575">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► but nothing's happening to them really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► And what they're using is an app that has a text box and a bunch of little text box over and over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► But their experience is like oh no no they're connected to the person on the other end of this like end journey does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► that was a give away better graphics than the messages app on i OS right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► and it can elicit the same type of emotions because like I said an article they shave they shave off every possible way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► that person can be a jerk to you and all that's left is the good and in general people are good to each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► and here they try to be a jerk it just comes off as like you know craziness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► or disinterest like they can't do anything to harm you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► So it's like a relentlessly positive experience with that with that whole argument so that's exactly why I disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► when you first play the game that someone should know that you're playing with other people because the game was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► infinitely more enjoyable for me when I realize that it was just another person with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► and said of just an AI And so I didn't enjoy the game and I thought it was a I but I love the game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► After I found out it was a real person and now I've gone back twice now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5634">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► and played it once I played under Marcuse name and I had to go get my own. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► and I didn't have a tumbler more what was it in the paper mark like you played with Instapaper market like no you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► going to have are that whoever I am I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► But like that's you know that that whole experience of with other people made it so much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► and I would have never played the game again if it was anything like the first time I played it I was hoping that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► Think there are a I initially but fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► but figured out at like five minutes because that realisation that it's another person is a fun realisation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► You know again if you don't like that that's the common experiences if they don't know it's actually think it is AI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► but then figure out that it's not the it's kind of like the reverse Blair Witch Project. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► Like if you see the movie and then you think it's real it's great the first time you see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► and then you realize it's not real and it sucks. It's the worst movie ever. So journey is reversed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► Yeah people do go back and play journey I mean do you have your white robes yet are you on the path to get there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5695">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► Well no because now I got cheated out of it out of an entire play through because I played on Marco's account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► and so then I had to create my own account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► and so I only have to play through the mind although I found like this crazy shortcut where you can jump to any level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► and I accidently did that tonight novice and I skipped half the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► and I was like what on earth the hub the hub level if you want to get the white run the white robe is the one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► that is game like in this in a storyboard multiple play through as you don't have to play a certain number of times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► or there is something that happens as you play a multiple number of times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► but you can play if you want to have the white robe Well your robe gets all like in much more intricate on the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► so right now I have like a whole bunch of intricate orange bits. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► Yeah that keeps going until it reaches like it fills up entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:41 ◼ ► but the white robe is not dependent on that filling up you could fill up the entire thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5741">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► and still I have a white robe and you could do one play through and at the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:48 ◼ ► or oh yeah i still gotta find all the little symbols everywhere because yeah I think I could do much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5748">TS</a>]
01:35:54 ◼ ► and there's not much you know the stuff the only collectible in the game of little symbols [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5754">TS</a>]
01:35:58 ◼ ► and like I said the article Like where. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5758">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► You get the symbol you're playing with someone else they get it too you don't steal from them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► Oh yeah yeah I think that that's great because then you can do that with the one for the second time I played through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:07 ◼ ► the person was showing me where everything was and helping me get them so we like both had the same length scarf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5767">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► and that was just fantastic interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► and I found like a little new person I was like Come with me I know where these things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► and then once you once you have those long scarves like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► when you get into the levels that have danger then it's like I mean even though the stakes are like like you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► can't you don't want to lose your scarf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► and you don't want your New You want to protect your new person of the someone new with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:30 ◼ ► or if you have a long scarf yourself you like look I worked for the earlier part of this game to get this I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5790">TS</a>]
01:36:35 ◼ ► to be taken from and then yeah so what do you think of the ending part where you are in the snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5795">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► and going up the mountain and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► and how that answers that all I've done I was like I don't know I thought I failed the first time I played I was I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:50 ◼ ► and my you know I like that's it it's over I need to do something again I need to go back and do it again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5810">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► but then you know I started flying and I'm such a bad sometimes and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5816">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► when you go up after you die in the snow and or whatever happens to you in the snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► and you go up to the mountain like Earth that's right into the side of the mountain of not going to the mountain of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► jumping Oh it was horrible I'm like This is supposed to be my moment numb like caught underneath the mountain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5830">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► So the for the story part of the game where you are you on board with that where you're paying attention to the cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► scenes in the first or second play through and like the decipher in the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► and then you know connecting it to the ending. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► Oh yeah definitely and like how all the little markers are all really graves and you know all this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:33 ◼ ► and I like how just like we talked about the uncovered well where you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5853">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► when you have a companion with you it shows it on the wall that there's someone else with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► and yeah I thought it was I thought it was a really nice story that it was simple it was uplifting you know like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► It moved you along and I liked it a lot. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► For my one pleasure that you know you only have one chance to make the first play there I'm so happy that I happened to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:58 ◼ ► that I played a lot in the beginning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5878">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► and then found someone that had a sort of experience with them in which I disappointed him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:04 ◼ ► but that we did end up going through the light together in the end you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► or like you get up to that final sort of snowy part where it's quiet and your scarf is gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:13 ◼ ► and the light is right there the thing you've been trying to get for the whole time I was that you had someone going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5893">TS</a>]
01:38:18 ◼ ► I'd like you know waiting at the time I waited at the top the last game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5898">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► and that's a thing waiting it waiting at the top you're like is that person going to come. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:25 ◼ ► Nobody showed up I was like like you know and no one's coming because I keep crashing into the mountain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5905">TS</a>]
01:38:31 ◼ ► when I get up there so I'm always behind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5911">TS</a>]
01:38:34 ◼ ► Yeah I've waited I would at the top several times for people sometimes I shop sometimes it up at the first time we kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5914">TS</a>]
01:38:39 ◼ ► of like I mean the first time you know you don't know what's going to happen on a snowy thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5919">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► and I was with the person going up a snowy thing we both pitch over into the snow I thought like you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► That's the end of the game because like you know I mean if you saw the ending of The Sopranos with all sorts of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► know and so and that like that's one way it could end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:55 ◼ ► but that wasn't the end like you know you were in you you end up in that in that other place. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5935">TS</a>]
01:39:01 ◼ ► And for me it was with that of the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5941">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► and we sort of like swoop to the top of that mountain together joyously not crashing to the side of the mountain while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► Yeah like because I live in you and you were saying no this is your freedom and you get to play around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:14 ◼ ► and I'm there like crash into the side of the mountain stuck underneath like this snowy bank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5954">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► and I'm I'm walking I'm like this is over that everyone else is flying is like happy music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:23 ◼ ► and the scars are everywhere in the little like the friendly little carpet dogs are like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5963">TS</a>]
01:39:28 ◼ ► when everything's happening I'm like under that mountain of like what kind of a hell game or am I just terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5968">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► The carpet dogs like I was called in dolphins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:37 ◼ ► but if you have hops around I think you know the carpet are still loyal and they come by is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5977">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► and that's one of the snow off it kills me that they had a thing called a little and you can't take it with you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► So I'm sad that your first play through wasn't everything that it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► but like you can't control like if I wanted it to be so much because you're like it's going to be so good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/5993">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► Patients really don't like this game it's just kind of like a funnel game as they call them they just want to let go of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► the control or let it happen to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6005">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► and you're like this is you need to be engaged to not like you need to not be thinking that's a possibility because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:11 ◼ ► there is no control over to Munich a troll you're walking through a desert there's no controller like you need to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6011">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► Yeah I appreciate it but I'm glad you haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► and that's why I said like an episode of a pedophile in our past A.D.P.s was a journey would be wasted on Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:24 ◼ ► Hell yeah he would just be like this is why did I just do this he's like he would be like why did I just play this game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6024">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► Because he would never get into that headspace like it like you know you're getting into runs I can play there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► you're having like the actual experience of the game or whatever you have to you have to be there in the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► and you have to like be absorbed in the story and be appreciative of a pretty desert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► and a cute little frozen cloth thing and the scary dragons and like if you're never going to get into that space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► and you're always just think I'm sitting on a couch holding a controller. You'll never enjoy the game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6050">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► and you know honestly that I would have been I would have just stopped right there if it were my first play through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6054">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► and that's what it meant but I did all my homework. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► I listened to the income book I read your article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:04 ◼ ► and that that sucked me back in so I really do like the game so what are we going next time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6064">TS</a>]
01:41:11 ◼ ► when I read it seem like you didn't like it isn't like oh all these other recommendations I had heard now I'm not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6071">TS</a>]
01:41:16 ◼ ► going to give them because if she didn't like if you didn't like Journey it's clear it's clear our taste in games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6076">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► differs not like you know some people don't like the same type of games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► and you're unlike Marco it's totally clear that you're gamer but maybe just like the same type of games that I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:28 ◼ ► or you know like if you going to recommend a movie to someone you met I recommend like a Fellini movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6088">TS</a>]
01:41:31 ◼ ► and they hate it is like well you know we like different kinds of movies it's not necessarily a bad movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6091">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► and journey I can continue your list of games that you can play I think I can be I can be very open minded with most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:43 ◼ ► games like I just and I just finished limbo because now I'm all in a gaming mood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6103">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► and then I can go like you know to the shoot em up Halo Half-Life kind of stuff again so I'm pretty versatile. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:55 ◼ ► So what are you in the mood for you in the mood for a game that is more kind of like not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6115">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► Who hard not to challenging all about atmosphere and relationships will definitely do you think a play during nap time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:09 ◼ ► and it's like my traditional thing is if you have a Play Station three you need to play ego shall the Colossus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6129">TS</a>]
01:42:15 ◼ ► and journey and the Last of Us and The Last of Us is the most traditional game straight up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6135">TS</a>]
01:42:21 ◼ ► AAA game with shooting things and zombies and all over the new thing of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6141">TS</a>]
01:42:25 ◼ ► but it's like a very well done one of those games that is one of the few as I used to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6145">TS</a>]
01:42:30 ◼ ► and like that so that if you're in the mood for that type of game that is the one to get it will satisfy you on all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6150">TS</a>]
01:42:35 ◼ ► levels that those type of games satisfy people if you're into that. Yeah that sounds good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6155">TS</a>]
01:42:40 ◼ ► and then if if you get through that maybe you will have like had enough junk food that you'll be in the mood for ego [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6160">TS</a>]
01:42:47 ◼ ► and shout across a shot of the classes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6167">TS</a>]
01:42:49 ◼ ► and I already played a Walking Dead chat room you didn't the best No no no not walking dead now now the other keys on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6169">TS</a>]
01:42:56 ◼ ► Yeah I recommend it I recommend walking dead you play if I don't I feed to see what your taste is like more so we said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6176">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► we've got one end of the spectrum a journey the last of us is pretty much on the other end of the spectrum it's not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:08 ◼ ► guess the Grand Theft Auto be the other end of the spectrum but now I know I played that one too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6188">TS</a>]
01:43:11 ◼ ► So the Last of Us is more serious you'll see that all my games are like put this way. I like one hour dramas on T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6191">TS</a>]
01:43:19 ◼ ► The games I recommend are old games you'd see recommended by someone who watches one hour dramas on T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6199">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► Well that's pretty much what we want so I think that would totally work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► Although I did watch the like a preview gameplay I go ego Hansie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:32 ◼ ► Yeah it was very like they'll be right though the asking it's nothing like the gameplay hasn't it looked like it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6212">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► but it is it is like Journey in that you have to be there otherwise you feel like this game is not hard there are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:45 ◼ ► are no exciting power ups there's no level meter on not leveling this like all those things that you can put you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6225">TS</a>]
01:43:52 ◼ ► exactly the same complaints about ego [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6232">TS</a>]
01:43:53 ◼ ► but I think it's like journey before a journey it was my like my go to like games as art place. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6233">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► Three That game is considerably longer than journeys like eleven hours is a little bit harder in terms of puzzles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► and if you have a low tolerance for puzzles you might find it frustrating or annoying but I really love it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:09 ◼ ► And then shall the Colossus is like an in-between stage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6249">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► So Cross is actually pretty darn hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:13 ◼ ► and to the point where I'm not sure that you would actually finish the game because you feel like you know what I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6253">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► seen of the timing of the challenge I see with this game has to offer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:21 ◼ ► I see how it's going to go and I don't want to grind through it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6261">TS</a>]
01:44:24 ◼ ► Especially if you hate the Playstation intro like I hate it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6264">TS</a>]
01:44:26 ◼ ► Yeah it's not the best controller you know but it has the same mood as you go it's from the same developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6266">TS</a>]
01:44:35 ◼ ► So so I would say go to Last of Us next because that is very straight ahead I think one of the best games for the Play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6275">TS</a>]
01:44:41 ◼ ► Station three for people like original games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6281">TS</a>]
01:44:43 ◼ ► and if you make it through that that should be like sixteen twenty hour something like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6283">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► Then build bridges at the artier games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:50 ◼ ► Excellent Well I don't think taking two to three hour nap so that plus some evenings I think I can plaster healthy That [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6290">TS</a>]
01:44:59 ◼ ► sounds great it will have you back on to here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6299">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► Marco has his he's just a lost cause like maybe Marco complained last honest with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:06 ◼ ► or watch you play because he's a spasm. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6306">TS</a>]
01:45:08 ◼ ► When I was well he like walked by while he's getting coffee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6308">TS</a>]
01:45:10 ◼ ► and Mike will check out my video game really good to hear then you make some like snide remark about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6310">TS</a>]
01:45:15 ◼ ► and be like Did you know. Yeah exactly. He'll put on the face and you'll disappear to the world and that'll be it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6315">TS</a>]
01:45:25 ◼ ► He's missing out on a ride for Casey is out there how do we get him back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► I tell him to come back and I do my go back to thanks for talking to me about June. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:33 ◼ ► Sure any time any time you want to kick Margraf show you can come back here that you're out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6333">TS</a>]
01:45:40 ◼ ► Ivan now I have by done by death right now. Yeah as we said it every day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWWnLk/6340">TS</a>]