00:00:00 ◼ ► When you're going to hear all the costs and sniffles and everything else. Normally we have time to take out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/0">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► It's a has nothing to do with our studio which is excellent and I'm very enthusiastic about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/7">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► but has everything to do with the fact that we want to get this out immediately. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/11">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► Meanwhile I'm watching John and Cameron and I'm trying to figure it out. OK So this is our special W.D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/15">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► Episode which we're recording at the David keynote and it is right after the keynote. I'm sorry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/27">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► Right after the afternoon session we are at the MacWorld studios. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/33">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► So thank you very much to Jason's now for letting us crash his studio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/36">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► and use his equipment in order to get this pod cast to you likely split [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/41">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► and not sound like garbage so thank you very much. Jason's now. Everyone tweet him a big thank you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/44">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► Just so his inbox explodes at J. Snow or you can listen to his podcast the incomparable on five by five which Marco. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/50">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► So so some stuff happened today. Today was a big day. And John do you have any thoughts about today by chance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/59">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► Talk about a plan of attack for this pocket because there is much there's way too much that happened today for us to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/68">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► when I was out of the bog of no doubt we will be talking about these things for many episodes the comment I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/73">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► would have been a good idea for us to have a plan of like OK today we're just going to talk about like I was just going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/78">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► talk about swiftest and I but we don't have a plan because we're disorganized. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/83">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► Are you suggesting that you did not do your homework. We didn't know didn't you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/87">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► But anyway I think that we know what he wanted to do and do a focus on particular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/92">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► Just wanted to give broad sweeping stocks we have. We want to do everything we need to have a list of bullet points. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/96">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► OK We're going to talk about this that that that and get through them all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/100">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► Otherwise we're going to we're going to dive into one of these topics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/102">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► and spend the whole show on it which I'm also fun with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/104">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► Well let's just start going down the list and if we end up going off on a tangent that last twelve hours then so be it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/108">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► So what did we see today. Well firstly on the way in we got. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/114">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► Aided by the line people which was weird I didn't I've never seen that before so yeah as you're on your way in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/120">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► So you wrap around the block a couple times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/127">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► and then at something like seven seven thirty well something around seven thirty they let you into Mosconi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/129">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► and you'd end up going to the second level of Moscone and so you go up these escalators and we hear cheering. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/136">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► We hear cheering going on and I'm thinking myself what is happening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/142">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► And sure enough they had I guess or Apple employees that had all these Apple employees lined up today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/146">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► and like oh right yeah be excited it's like seven thirty in the Morning we're all exhausted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/152">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► and jet lagged in there trying to pump us all up and I had never seen that before and it was odd. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/157">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► That's why they do it up of our employees come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/162">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► and applaud for everybody like yeah I mean it is that point people know they're excited about what's on the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/166">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► and you know we don't know what we're going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/170">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► and there was plenty in the Q Not worth applauding how do we know what we were going to see we would have been just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/172">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► well probably that we didn't so it was just a bunch of tired people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/177">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► Yeah it was it was different to say we're going to try to get a dub dub D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/179">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► Chant going which was extremely on and I was it was odd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/183">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► but then we made it into the keynote room that worked out well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/186">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► and the keynote started fairly slow I thought I didn't think it had that much speed to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/189">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► and everyone seemed really confident and really relaxed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/194">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► and I didn't know what to make of it so what was the first one was from the First off they covered. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/199">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► I didn't start taking notes until about halfway through so I don't know if you guys all right this is an accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/204">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► podcast and one of the things I noticed first was you know just like the mood of really you know Tim comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/208">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► and Tim is relaxed and laid back and this is a side of him we haven't seen a lot of if any really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/214">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► and he was kind of fiery and like he was again taken jabs at Google in Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/221">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► and seven it was it was the kind of thing you know we've seen that from from jobs in the past. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/225">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► But tim is always shown a more reserved approach to those usually and he'll put in jabs here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/231">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► and there that are more subtle in the past but I think this is the first time we. I'm really like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/235">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► Feel free to just dig in and he seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/241">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► and I think I think what we saw play out is that the reason he was so confident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/245">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► and laid back look at the same reason that all the presenters were so confidently back is because they knew they had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/251">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► kickass lineup that they were announcing and like they were very proud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/258">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► and confident in what they were about to show us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/262">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► and we didn't know yet so at the time which is a cloud that that's they seem like they're really relaxed today in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/264">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► and they didn't float very well it was it was much more put together much more seamless than I would say any Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/271">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► event in the last three years I would say that like he seemed less rehearsed not that we know they were errors like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/280">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► crazy right but in the end Tim Cook's first several keynote you could tell that he was well rehearsed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/286">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► and he would come out there and say what he was going to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/292">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► and I was like oh I can see that he is saying something that he has prescribed it whereas I mean now it was the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/295">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► exact thing this time but he sounded less rehearsed so again you know he was relaxed as of the rest of the keynote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/300">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► There was so much stuff and this came out of that whole important technologies got like a slide and five seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/305">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► and it was like wait what was that. And then they're on to the next thing because there just wasn't enough time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/314">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► And it's obvious they're trying to keep it to a two hour keynote the try not to go three hours four hours whereas other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/318">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► companies I mean Google's done that and Microsoft's going really long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/323">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► Sony If you want to go to the gaming space there been press conferences where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/326">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► when people have a lot to announce they say well we've got a lot to announce and everybody will love it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/330">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► and they just go and Apple was like we have a lot to announce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/333">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► but we're going to hold it to our schedule to keep so there was so much in his keynote that there were things that got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/336">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► one slide that are more significant than things that got like ten minutes and in previous years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/343">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► Yeah it was you could tell like you know we were what I love about this is so much of it was a surprise you know there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/348">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► were very few spoilers of any of any value here. Even like you know one of the biggest spoilers healthy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/354">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► Look was kind of wrong in you know how it's like an asterisk on the. Yeah yeah we got the health thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/360">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► Yeah well I mean it was like it was like we said the possibility of like them introducing A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/366">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► For integration with third party things and then maybe something of their own in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/370">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► and so the ball was not going anywhere near anything wearable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/374">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► and I think today it's like we have a bunch of baby eyes and a third party application can use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/376">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► and I think that'll be great guys right OK Moving on I mean it was one in the in the scope of the you know it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/381">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► minor announcement you know was really wild and I gotta say to to back up just a smidge that I loved snarky Tim Cook. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/385">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► I thought it was great I really really did and I think that the corny jokes that Apple made like during last W.D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/394">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► and I can think of the most time I had maybe it was with any Q. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/402">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► and I work and he did like the band poster or whatever it was you know I just felt like that was so corny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/406">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► and contrived in this year with the exception of the hair thing which I think we've taken a little too far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/412">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► I thought everything else was well done I thought it was the right amount of snark the right amount of humor which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/417">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► not something I'm used to seeing from Apple I mean Jobs had his own shtick here and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/422">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► but generally speaking they've been fairly by the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/427">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► and I love this slightly more casual Apple that the titles in the D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/430">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► Sessions where it was like Well wouldn't you like to know in well we had to tell you I love this new Apple i know John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/436">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► is the as the old man of the three of us in terms of Apple any age what do you think about this like more casual set up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/442">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► Think about the humor in the jokes like this to parse that one is how relaxed relaxed the people are making things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/449">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► that people seem relax because they were can think of a lot of good stuff to show and because their experience like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/455">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► when they brought out the new people when presented many times they were shaky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/458">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► or kind of like you know Craig was in the beginning but now he's more experienced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/461">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► but the second thing is the jokes were just silly and corny as they've always been. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/464">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► when you're announcing things to get the audience excited the audience is predisposed to forgive your mistakes because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/470">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► they're so jazzed up for and so that is the effect basically if you have gray. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/476">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► Things to show if you have announcements of the audience was going to love. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/480">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► They will also be in the mood to laugh at your stupid jokes and if you're showing stop it's boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/483">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► and you make a stupid joke you like not only United training you really think that I won't be making a stupid joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/488">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► and wasting my time. So it's all about. Audience atmosphere and we were you know as as there are now things rolled on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/492">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► We were all very receptive to anything that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/500">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► and I think that the pace in general seemed not that brisk in the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/502">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► but by the end my goodness it was a fire hose just getting leveled at all these developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/508">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► and this is what this comes back to what you were saying earlier about oh yeah well we've got this whole thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/517">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► Oh yeah we've got these new death tolls. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/520">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► Oh yeah we've got this new language and it was unbelievable how quick it was there was a lot happening today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/522">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► There was also at a level of refinement that we haven't seen in a while like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/527">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► and even even with jobs like this is really Steve Jobs things even with jobs there were some some weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/532">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► and the events for the last couple years Apple's events have have seemed stuffy almost sterile kind of uptight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/538">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► and any I was even worried because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/546">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► when we saw Eddie Q And Jimmy I vine last week I think it did not come off that well either I think he was a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/547">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► uptight there and so I was I was kind of worried you know that that's kind of the apple we've seen recently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/552">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► And like last year like some of these are you know some of the jokes were kind of overplayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/558">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► or stale they they ran too many videos last year another good point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/563">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► Yeah and and like they and they kept running the same video for like three events in a row like it was this year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/567">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► They ironed out all those bugs in their presentation and it was just a smooth presentation from start to finish. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/574">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► There were no remote control cars. It was it was just very very well done and I mean what they announced. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/581">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► It was just a lot lately I mean with the last ten because I think it despite people thinking oh this is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/590">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► and I was also saying this is going to be bigger and that it is visually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/596">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► This from the perspective I think it was the smallest of the things that they announced today that they thought of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/600">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► big slides can be a western Iowa State and then they have very bright developer tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/604">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► and all those three things like they lead with the small one like they always do you save the best for last. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/609">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► So I think we can dispense with O S ten pretty quickly if you want to cover that in the beginning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/613">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► Also your review was going to be short as well that might be oh I don't know I mean the thing about it as I mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/618">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► before that like a lot of the things they put in the Iowa section [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/623">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► or in the death of developer tools section of the keynote also applied O S ten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/626">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► We don't think of them that way because you know anything that shared between I was ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/631">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► and I was going to go into the Iowa session because that's what everyone cares about because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/634">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► when I hear a small platform but that's up a blast though I thought as well so I'm not entirely sure but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/637">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► and then we start with Oh as to what we thought was going to happen was a big video already fresh what we got was a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/642">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► Wasn't that big a visual refresh No I mean it's in hearing that again I was actually surprised how how radical it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/649">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► wasn't and they were what you would you expect that you can say well I expected everything to be all white and thin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/655">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► and wispy and it wasn't like it was it it still looks like Macko S ten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/661">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► Still it's not a jarring change it is an evolutionary change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/666">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► and it's exactly I think the kind of change that was warranted they didn't need to totally throw everything like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/672">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► and remember like you know Gruber is even saying like you know what they can do about shadows about layering windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/680">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► and it turns out they didn't do anything different we still live in the shadows because Windows still are windows they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/685">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► still hate Windows they're still layered it you know it it wasn't as radical of a change as I think a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/690">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► were assuming or fearing that it would be and I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/695">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► and there are a few there are a few weird issues with that that I'm not thrilled with like I think the the trends loose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/698">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► and see a difference between like the sidebar is translucent to the desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/705">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► and the title bar is translucent to the view under it within its own window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/710">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► and there it is we're layering things that are conceptually little on but I think overall it looks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/714">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► Great and it looks like a nice modernization of what they already had rather than throwing it all away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/720">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► and making something totally radically different if they were the new look like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/725">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► It's not it's not the type of thing where you're going to install the snow ass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/731">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► and all your apps are going to look like the absolute showed in the keynote because this stuff doesn't get enabled by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/736">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► default like you have to opt into it and so Apple's apps are going to work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/740">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► I got Apple's apps are going to have like title bars with a window which is right in line with them like they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/744">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► already ends up like the App Store app is like that I think and a couple other ones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/748">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► And Apple's apps are going to have a translucent side bar in Apple's apps are going to have to you know trends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/753">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► and thought about it like it's not going to transform all your apps into this crazy translucent think so for the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/757">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► part what most people that Macs are going to look like is their existing absolute different title bars different fonts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/763">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► in the menus in a different doc but everything else looking more or less the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/769">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► and I don't know if Apple will be able to get everybody on board the hey everybody make all your cyber Stranglers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/775">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► and make all your talk about strangles and talk with content underneath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/780">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► but I don't know if they're going to go in that direction so I'm trying to think about what real Max will look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/783">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► growing up seventy not what we saw in the in the keynote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/789">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► Yeah I don't know the other thing that struck me about the the visual refresh was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/793">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► when I saw Windows seven for the first time in this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/798">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► when I'd already had a mac at this point I was already all in on the West hand I felt like what do they call the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/801">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► Windows seven refresh visual refresh I can remember now it doesn't matter but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/806">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► but where everything I write something no it's not it was premature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/810">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► but anyway the point is it was all very translucent and similar ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/814">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► and I actually thought from the very first time I saw it that the Windows seven stuff looked pretty good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/818">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► I agree with with Marco especially with this odd amounts of translucence where um translates into one thing here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/822">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► but I'm trying to listen to this other thing they're era by the way if you like in the chatter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/829">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► It's what I hear Oh yes thank you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/833">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► So Arrow I thought looked great from the beginning and I don't even know if Microsoft is back pedal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/836">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► On that or not but but this is new O.S.'s can set up good but I have my reservation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/840">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► Something like I don't think your screen is going to look like that I think it's going to look like what you what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/846">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► looks like now and then like Safari might look different to mail it to her most your absolute will will look the same. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/850">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► That's for me like the whole thing with the translucency and as to what and to what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/854">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► and why are these things translate and that is always the question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/860">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► And if Apple job I think to to justify why some of them want to do this to their application because there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/864">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► downsides in terms of readability in terms of variability is this something that people want does it look really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/871">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► awesome and people like Rush metal justification is basically people think it looks cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/876">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► and so everybody made their apps brush metal whether it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/880">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► or not that was you know if you were to ask why should people do this like well people people think it's cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/882">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► and they did think it out on these brush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/887">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► and everywhere Well I don't know if people think this translucent is all that called me I was something has it as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/888">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► Is not as open so everyone can go hog wild with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/895">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► but it will really depend on whether people think it's worth adopting a thing because if they don't it's just I was ten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/897">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► But everything you know candy colored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/905">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► and I was having a fight you didn't say during the keynote that the idea was to give you some context within your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/907">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► document which I don't really I mean what is that sound I mean like previously I wasn't aware that my document [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/912">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► continued off the top of this page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/918">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► or another like the green image showing through my title bar I'm aware that it goes off of that like how does a pariah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/919">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► do any more contact than simply clipping the image of that point or got right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/924">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► and showing you know always showing a scroll bar so you can see the scroll position. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/927">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► I forget which where they were using I don't think context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/931">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► or they didn't have a talking point of like how translucency provides it like one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/933">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► One thing was like you can pick your desktop background that will influence how your absolute personality dustup back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/936">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► and shelter in your apps is that something that people want they want the personality of the desktop background showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/942">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► through in their apps that just want to use their apps like read their mail and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/947">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► and I want to see the desk you have energy and it looks like a big mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/949">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► but again these are all opt in things your apps aren't going to come become translucent Apple's obviously opting into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/952">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► and it will be interesting to see if if this is something people want whether developers think it was going they ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/960">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► it to people and people complain or developers never even ship it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/965">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► and it just ends up being a different looking back to us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/968">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► But so in anything else a visual refresh because I mean I think that's pretty much all I had to say about I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/970">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► idea of them redoing trying to constrain the icons into the into the different arrangements of having circle icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/977">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► and square icons and having all the little slanty they show them people taking pictures of the I'm extreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/985">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► but I'm sure there's more of showing all the little slanted rectangle icons all looking identical identically slanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/990">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► and everything that's a reasonably unification is a nice middle ground between people thinking oh ten is going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/996">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► around Rex rolls I can't it's not right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► There are still distinction and again I think their parties might just ignore this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► and say what's good for you Apple you can do whatever the hell you want your icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► or still making our car icons look we want so I think there will be a continued tension between what Apple is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► with your family and what third party developers do with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1017">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► and it might be a little weird kind like I was seven as were some apps just don't come all the way on the Iowa seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► trains you've got these apps that you know there I can't even change since I was six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► and there are interfaces may be different but they don't look like I was seven. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► They still don't have the I was five or the i Phone five screen size support not that bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1033">TS</a>]
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00:18:32 ◼ ► Speak of a go another like web type applications you know all the web apps that started to change their look to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► like Iowa seven after Iowa seven came out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► Hey I'm just glad that websites are still trying to like Iowa sold well that look terrible right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► But I lot of web a lot of people have either Web Components their products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► or have web apps took the hint from you know Windows eight as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► but also Iowa seven especially in the Macworld to make their websites look like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► and with the change in look of oh S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► Ten now that turns out to be a good move me even Apple is doing it like they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► but the app store looks like about the regime or the new App Store app on the Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► Looks all different like that that look like kind of like flat candy color look if you do that everywhere across your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► and now the MCE switched over to it I was that was good planning because people like that look at simple it's clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► and now it is across the entire Apple platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► So this keynote was to some degree wonderful and terrible for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► and it was wonderful because they announce that we're getting air drop between devices between between O.S.'s I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► should say between Yosemite and between I would say which is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► but the downside was was that we also learned later on that there's this hand-off thing that that where if you will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► working on an e-mail or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► and then you want to finish that e-mail you work on on the phone you want to finish it on your computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► and then all of a sudden you can just see mail through. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1196">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► The ether through them is through the air and on to the computer and that sounds awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► and I'm really enthusiastic about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► However I do think and they never confirmed or denied that that's probably using Bluetooth low energy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► and none of my Macs a beautiful energy you could be using airdrop Roberts between them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► and a supposed to be the whole idea is its proximity base so it's not it's not like they mention like oh you won't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► won't have things from your home showing up on your work computer or vice versa so could be bootable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► and could also be airdrop it uses that like ad hoc right why fine networking you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► and I think all of it requires developer support like this is not magic. So Apple's Mail. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► If you use Apple mailing or mac and use Apple now in your I O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► Device then yeah you can do that but what if you use something else on either one of those places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► or one of the things you use a developer has an added support for this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► It still seems like a thing that you have to do and it could kind of be fidgety enough that like demos really well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► Like I understand the frustration of getting out because I know when I'm doing something on one device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► and I want to just transition to it over there it would be nice everything picked up this requires so many parties to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► and everything to work for that handoff to work like getting the handoff to work could end up feeling like from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► user's perspective more trouble than it's worth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► Like maybe just better to save it as a draft then go over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► and take the draft over there like you think the old things that we used to be in them as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► and I think it's a good idea for this program skeptical about how seamless it will really be in real life so what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► think about to say I think it's going be one of those things like notification sinking between devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► and how you know we were talking last week how it seems to be disgraced period in current infrastructure we have now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► where like if you get in I message into your computer the windows focused on your phone will buzz in your pocket. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► But if you don't attend to it within the few seconds your phone will buzz and like it's that kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► and they have worked on it over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► and it has it has gotten better over time it's still not perfect it's gotten better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► This is probably of the same kind of thing where it's going to start out probably a little wonky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► and then get better over time. Actually I'm just hopeful that it is the pure pure wife I thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► I'm skeptical but I'm hopeful and we'll see what happens. But what else did we learn a West and why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► Well I mean one thing that's a very interesting I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► and I don't know where to talk with that is the i Cloud Dropbox basically yeah we talk about whether there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► backpedaled with or they just decided to show the file system or would they try to figure out something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► and this is kind of like an interesting compromise but what it seems to me is that they wanted to have their cake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► and eat it too which is they wanted to have the existing i Cloud experience which is just like there is no file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► you know to worry about that every apple in the stone files everything's and i Cloud everything is ubiquitous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► and available everywhere. They wanted to keep that because I think that's good right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► But they also wanted to add the ability for people who knew what they were doing to have something that was more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► and they didn't want to destroy one of the other so they want to make it so like if you're if you're using the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► the way you've been using for the past several years it will look the same to you but if you know what to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► and suddenly you get the equivalent of an Open Save dialog box showing you like you know the i Cloud Sidebottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► suddenly shows you documents and what I think will happen is once you put icon in a sidebar in the Finder. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► People are going to click on it people going to learn to make new folders there people are going to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► and they'll end up using it like Dropbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► and I think Dropbox has proven that if you can see it's doesn't make any sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► but if you constrain the world of the file system to a single place that they can hang their hat on like it's in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► Dropbox or it's on my desktop. People are fine with that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► It doesn't matter that the number of levels of higher given create under that are the same as they can make any place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► else. It just gives them a starting point to make them feel comfortable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► So now with i Cloud in the sidebar for people who imagine someone who gets a computer like oh you should install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► and you know they can't install Dropbox you know that it's that phrase you should install Dropbox like Greek to them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► Well I don't know what you mean I don't know how to install software I don't know is there a Web site do I do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► to download a disk image do I get it like nobody knows us just like look. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1436">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► Go your finder and the Cyber the thing called i Cloud anything you put there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► When you're you know you can put stuff there and you'll see it everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► and that is like Dropbox it's a folder the things are now i Cloud the cloud it sinks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► We hope you know I mean all this while to see how reliable it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► but it's a reasonable compromise I like that it acknowledges the fact that Apple has failed to come up with something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► so much better that eliminates all the evils of our system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► and I think we've taken less so Dropbox is like the file system is big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► and confusing that if you constrain it to this one place whether it makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► or not people suddenly are able a larger group of people are suddenly able to deal with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► Not everybody but a larger group. Yeah and I think it's is also this has a huge value in P.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► For Apple because now it you know i Cloud is always is this umbrella term that refers to lots of different things most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► of which are behind the scenes. If you talk about this and then he went in last week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► This is now a very public facing version of i Cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► and it works the way people expect modern quote cloud things to work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► It's a cloud sync service for this folder full of files that's exactly what people want form from a cloud service today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► You know for the most part you know there's this if you don't top it up but this is what people want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► and this is going to be this big thing in everyone's face uses a max And look it's i Cloud works we get it we're in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► We are doing web services and they mostly work most of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► and it comes of it it comes with your MAC a use of the i Cloud account but they make you set up when you install the O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► when you set up the device like you don't have to go to a third party where all the advantages of being part of the platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► you know all those barriers that prevented people from getting Dropbox installed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► and in fact I think there are there are new A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► Is in Austin and in Iowa so I just want to talk about the whole extensions they call extensions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► Probably that's right that was in the Iowa section but extensions applied O S ten as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► and so there are you know engines in oh S ten that will let For example Dropbox make their application better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1553">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► Saying oh i Cloud is built and will be able to do drop by if you like things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► but in fact we're helping Dropbox out here too or helping ourselves out as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► For example in not having Dropbox in memory hacked the Finder to put those little badges on all your icon to show it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► could be raining like that. They've got an official A.B.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► For that through extensions which is their safe mechanism for extending functionality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► and I think the the notification widget things are similar there are those under the umbrella of extensions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► I believe it's the i Cloud Drive thing struck me as so interesting for a couple reasons firstly it was the tangible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► manifestation of Dropbox as a feature not a product and I thought that was kind of interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► And then secondly this was the I believe the first thing we saw of a series of different features an enhancement some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► products and whatnot that are all heavily relying on i Cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► and maybe I am amongst a group of people that are giving I caught a bad rap for no really good reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1613">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► But they're like if they double down on secrecy which it appears they have they have like quadruple down on i Cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► being the sort the boss for their entire ecosystem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► And on print in principle that's wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► but that's a lot of pressure to put on a system that I'm not so sure can hand you know they were saying a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► right things like for example I forget where maybe this was in the state of being around supposed talk about over one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► one of the services they were talking about. They mention push notifications in connection with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► And as we said on past shows like Push Notifications is one of the things is under the I caught umbrella that seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► work pretty well and we're all hoping that like you know more like that less like I was born [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► and this presentation is I mean maybe says optimistic thing but like when they show these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► and like I have I'm optimistic that these new things will be more like push notifications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► and less like the things that I don't know although I messages I mean they added tons of stuff time as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1675">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► Oh and that still continues to be a little bit weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► and creepy So yeah you're right they really put a lot of eggs in this like about basket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► and basically what Apple is doing is I'm assuming forcing themselves to get better at this crap like by their fear they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► will he disastrous if they continue to from Bull and keep putting more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► and more important things into the i Cloud basket. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► I'm actually pretty confident in what they're doing because it seems like you know Casey said like you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► building a lot of this stuff on what appears to be the push notifications flash part of i Cloud And that seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► the part that is operating at probably the biggest scale and is probably the most reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► and a sign of people Highnesses problems here and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► but we don't know how much that is related to like the like the client side software it seems like the server side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► and of that in the push notification the whole push just them isn't really rock solid for the vast majority of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► and certainly recently so I'm actually pretty confident that the i Cloud part of this is probably not going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1732">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► Other parts of it you know the like the client side code might be right but it seems like the i Cloud services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► and of what they're doing you know and people you know i Cloud core data sync was it was a disaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► but that was also probably mostly a client side and design issue design of that I mean Larry you're even like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► and documents in the cloud or those like a lot of those things kind of work but had weird things about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► or you know say start of a synchronous and they made them asynchronous and there's like not a right ability and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► when it doesn't work even today like if you want apples notes Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► and you know there are notes that you put on your i was device the notes have to sit there for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► and then eventually or not show up you hope they don't like you have no recourse like there's no visibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► and that's that's why moving it like I caught in the sidebar I'm putting stuff there for documents I mean it is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► give you some visibility into what's going on but the other the other A.B.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► Sprint I mean that's that's still a problem with their cloud system they get making a better from a developer's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► perspective how developers can tell what the hell going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► but from a user perspective man the stuff that works because you have nowhere to go over doesn't you just just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1795">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► If your app is not even a busy indicator just like my stuff they're going to come it's not you know aren't they. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► But they did mention and I think this is in the Indiait session so I'll be very vague [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► but I believe they mentioned that their dog food being a lot of the stuff they're providing to developers so a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► the stuff that they're giving developers they're using those A.P.I. For their own new features and application. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► Yeah there was that was heartening Although it's like it it's helpful like that what that means is that if they did a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► bad job Apple know about it that is the best thing about it the least I know right it a bad job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► and doesn't telling me that a good job in the kind of bad if they didn't is now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► Now this grant their own services their own headline features are screwed up by their own bad guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► but presumably because they are dog footing it they'll find out that it's bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► and won't just be this like it won't we all had to wait for like developer backlash like Apple don't engineers to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► like your service I crap is broken and I can't shiplap because it's broken. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► So is there anything else it's fun and exciting to talk about before we go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► and I just want one more thing that I don't we're not done with I was ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► and they were the note of notification center sidebar on the widgets there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► and like everyone's like what does that mean for dashboard where is that word. And they didn't say anything about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► Pretty should ask were still there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► And Yosemite gazing Kanada said because well they didn't see the implication is that you should probably not get too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► You know but anyway like this is a grace period it seems like that but nothing about the future of dashboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► but anyone who knows anything about Apple will know that the future desk was not bright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► and this is not the same next year it's gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► and this is Jason just pulled a dashboard in Yosemite I'm staring out anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► But like this is not news like Dashboard has been kind of stagnant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► and just sitting there doing nothing for it for many many years that is a pretty old feature where they come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► and for something like that. Yeah some of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► It's been around for a long time I use it every day I still think it's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► but it's clear that it's not just like this year that Apple decided to kill it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► and it died of natural causes actually so desperate still there you continue to use it in Yosemite. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1914">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► I don't know how much longer it will be around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► and I bet most people won't mourn it even though I will because I think it's kind of cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► And you can't I mean it's not it's not a direct replacement like the notification center in your sidebar right that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► But third party opportunity people we're also sponsored this week once again by our friends at Warby Parker go to war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► Henri Parker is a new concept in eyewear although it's only new to you if you have a listen to our show ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► Henri Parker It was a collaboration between four friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► and he here's the thing they believe that I wear should not cost a fortune. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► It should be available and affordable to everyone. Eyeglasses should cost as much as an i Phone That's ridiculous. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► So they have prescription eyeglasses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► Very high quality and they started just ninety five dollars including the prescription lenses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► They even have a titanium collection starting just one hundred forty five dollars including preferred prescription [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► lenses. That includes premium Japanese titanium French non rocking screws and all sorts of other niceties. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1974">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► All their glasses include anti-reflective an anti-glare coatings notational cost all of the glasses come with a hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► case which is awesome and a cleaning cloth there are no additional items you need to purchase they are on trial. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► Trying to nickel and dime you it's great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► They make buying glasses online easy and risk free now you're probably afraid of getting a buying Ludlum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► when you have done it before you probably feel like how will I know how they will look on my face. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► They have a couple of ways to address this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► They have these awesome online tool you can use your webcam they will they will show they can even use looking to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► you measure in case your doctor won't give you the prescription details but you're sizing some of them are weird about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► They can even help you measure and it's very good very accurate and so you can please everyone there in that school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► but the best thing about your partner I think is that they have this home try on programs you can go online you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► pick out up to five styles of glasses that you think might look good on you or look at in the preview thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► and they will send them to you and you can try them on in your home. Risk free. They send you for free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2032">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► When the label you say that you sent him back for free you can try them on in your home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► and you can see how they look on you in person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► and then if you want to buy them you can if you don't want to buy them no problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► And not only that these people are nice enough already. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► For every pair of glasses that they sell they distribute a pair of glasses to someone in need to recognize vision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► and this is great because you know there are so many people who who lack access to eyeglasses who need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► and you know if you need glasses you need them to to leaving them in them to work in them if you're if you're a kid in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► school you them to learn to see what see what on the board you know it's it's so important to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► or don't do it's a very lesson for every pair they sell to people in need so it's really fantastic. Anyway go to war B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► To learn more and check out their awesome glasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► and that's it so thanks a lot Tory Parker for sponsoring the show once again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► I've told the story a hundred times and I'll make it really quick but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2097">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► when I got a set of Warby Parker sunglasses I put in like forced four pairs maybe three pairs of sunglasses that I that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► were my stereotypical like this is Casey style and then I put in a pair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► or two that were just completely not the sort of sunglasses I would normally buy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► And sure enough the ones that I ended up choosing were one of the ones that I didn't expect to like so it actually ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► So really quickly real time follow up with regard to dashboard I believe the quote as I was informed by Jason was we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► suggest you quickly adopt this new technology with regard to with regard to the notification center which is basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► Apple code for this is going to die. Prepare yourselves. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► Yeah and this board was like a weird one off thing where these H.T.M.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► You kind of waiters or whatever whereas their replacement is part of a larger system that spans bull I.O.'s analyst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► and its extension system and I mean maybe there's just an umbrella term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► and there's no real relation technologically we haven't learned the details yet but they're using that term to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2155">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► You can write extensions for it we just I mean people not only is another extension as we are to use that term once I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► on the mac and has bad connotations these are different and I O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► As it has a totally different thing when you get to it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► but I always say these new widget things on the sidebar are part of that system it's a way to extend the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► and I look forward to new ways to going to that is what this means that Apple has basically come up with a way for both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► I.O.'s and the mac for people to write system extensions to extend the functionality of the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► and the whole idea has been like an arrow it will let you put a mike on and then you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► but you should really make a black and white. Because we have made you know and we will if you move your eyes around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► We only do that with ours yours is going to random order to upload download bartender so I'm hoping this is the dawning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► Us is the dawning of a new age of expanding this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► and I'm hoping on the mac as well that it's a sort of a renaissance of extending the mac in interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► and Apple approved ways versus the old way which is just like third parties figure out how to get it done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2215">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► You don't think you know as a whole and perhaps this relates more nihilists than the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► but I felt the keynote as a whole was an exercise in Apple doing all the things that we never thought they'd do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► They gave us a whole bunch of foetid Well sort of gave us a whole bunch of photo storage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► They all are allowing extensions like you were saying both on the West hand which is to be expected but also an I O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► Including stuff as wild as replacing system keyboard when there are a couple of things now I'm drawn a blank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► but they were so swift they're only hire expensive thing I mean I get huge thing right there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► But these are these are all the there are all these things that we all I think the three of us everyone really have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► been saying oh they've got to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► but they're not going to do it because they're Apple they're they're stubborn they're belligerent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► but I don't think it's like a stubbornness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► or like a philosophical objection a lot of us feel like Previously there was a philosophical objection now that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► changing but with a lot of these things it's like Apple always wanted to do them but it had to wait for certain things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► And on i OS which I guess will transition to soon anyway but like this. And I was like we don't have the C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2276">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► To do that we don't have the memory right there you don't have the whatever like background and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► and because they just had parties and didn't fit into them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► and you know for the sandbox of like that we don't have a safe way to do that and so all of that was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► when We have the memory when we've come up with a safe way for you to do it we will let you do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► but not before then not like I would just add it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► I know you can get this to work look if I go to the you know the jailbreak stores I get something does this right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► but which is on a large screen it's like Apple wanted to come up with everything had to be in place in the filing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► been a place that we have to have a safe way for you to do things so you're not compromising the stability of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► system so you're not allowing malware if you're not doing all you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► or your own privacy as well because they talk about how extensions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► Very briefly they spoke about how extensions are going to be Sam boxed in this might be in the end a sessions I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► probably shut up but suffice to say they took not only security of the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► but also your information out in the charity very clearly if you like all the things they prioritize for you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► are safe using I was in these ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► and we're not going to let you do do all the things that you guys all want to do until we have safe ways to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► within the current global hardware and this and then of course it's a lot of work for them to make as a guide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► and this is the year this is the year where they finally they have crossed the threshold for all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► and the probably is a thoughtful aspect of it as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► and it has some been so much shake up at the high levels of management that you can't discount that as one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► possible reasons but you have to just look at it look at the way they're giving us all the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► and all of that is not the same way that the jailbreak stories gave it to us it is an official supported A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► That works with their existing sandboxing and prioritization stuff on the Macas well as when I was yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► So as a way to transition from MAC to Iowa last I want to briefly talk about I forget what they called it what their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► marketing term for it was but when you can send traditional S.M.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► but it's at the your i Phone does the sending you can actually even take VO as a little blue phone elite. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2392">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► Years ago right is very much in the demo you might be mistaken for thing it's like oh I've been able to do that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► Google Voice for years but it's paired with your phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► You know i Phone none of this stuff work right but I got Yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► but at the same time though I get a third party products that would basically say you've got a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► but you want to do stuff that your phone could only do on your mac screen and just connect the dots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► and it looks really nice and is very seamless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► and it's something that was like yeah that should that should work that way why do I have to go and pick up the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► or do you know having that having the caller ID Schober the notification having to be able to answer that call from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► your mac like it's using your phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► But they're all in the same house even if it's another room they're all connected on the same network why shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► this work and made it work. Now I hope it works well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► And here again I hope it doesn't rely on Bluetooth all energy I presume in the case of phone calls it certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► But nevertheless I just it's a really impressive and it's a really impressive way to leverage a platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► and really do what you would hope and expect these things to do and I'm really excited about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► So with that in mind let's kind of shift gears I.O.'s there's so much to talk about I don't even know where to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► member and I said it I was it was going to be like the Mavericks of i OS was just you know not a lot on the outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► and you know some stuff on the inside but this is way bigger than a Mavericks release. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► It's true that it didn't change the appearance that much like very little visually has been changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► but of the number of to have that changing every other part of my life is just huge. Yeah it's really surprising. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► There are a couple things that jumped out at me really quickly because the things that have been that have really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► bothered me over the years. They didn't talk a lot about it in the keynote but it seems like the four messages in S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► Amasses and things like that. It seems like all media is a femoral by default if you look closely at the keynote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► or after one of these audio clips that's I believe new after video clip after each of these it says keep. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► Yeah and so the implication I think they made a very quick mention of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► but the implication was if you don't hit the keep button in the next three days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2515">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► Or whatever the number may be then that's just going to go away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► and I especially have lamented numerous times about how I had gigs upon gigs will probably animated gifs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► but one of the other gigs upon gigs of photos in my in my messages app on my phone that I didn't really need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► and I didn't really want I wanted them to go away I wanted them to do that easily and quickly in this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► This seems like it's probably going to be the answer for that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► Yeah I mean they they did so I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► and this leads very very closely to the photos discussion I think the I mean you know this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► So to recap basically they they announced this new a few a few things around photos that basically like you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► it's basically what people wanted which is like you know photo stream as a as like a standalone thing is kind of going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► away as what it was before you started to shared socially that's more of a you know feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► but as a storage mechanism photo stream has been massively upgraded now you just have all of your photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► or are just in i Cloud and they use use your i Cloud storage which now has a couple of bigger cheaper plans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2575">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► and you know it's not we're not talking about like revolutionary president it was really it was two hundred gigs for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► four bucks a month and we get whatever was it was like twenty gigs for four bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► or are the lands I mean it's much cheaper than it was right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► But like it's still not like you know Google level you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► and we don't have enough information yet to see what this is really like but they said the right thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► when you know one of the they said that the I'm glad about was his that we keep your folder as pictures of riches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► and videos which is a posed remark I was saying in the past shows that like if Apple needs to they should just do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► little rest of they can handle arrivals basically saying no actually we can handle it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► Not only can we handle your Horace pictures we're handling your video too which seems crazy but go for it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► and then the pricing that it's like all that announcement means nothing unless they adjust the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► and they did adjust the prices have adjusted enough we'll see but the previous pricing was crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► and all unitive Well now I'm not in love with this price because it was at five gigs. For free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2635">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► Which I just think it's a little low that is reduced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► and I think it was twenty gigs is that what you're saying twenty gigs was sunny in two hundred one any good to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► like went up to a terabyte within say how much those cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► but it I mean either way we're talking you know it's it's not dirt cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► but it's not that expensive you know you know you're not paying like S three rates for this you know we would hope what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► we would hope is that say you're so you're starting off with another customer now and you're just becoming an adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► and taking pictures of it like we would hope that as you accumulate pictures of Apple's pricing keeps pace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► and comes down but for people with existing large collections of we're going to look at that and do the math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► and say Is this worthwhile thing to us and they didn't mention anything about i Photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► and I have no idea what the fate of I thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► and they showed this Photos app which is like no island you know at the ferry I was you know because the I was sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► that doesn't do anything close to this I thought oh I was too you know I mean the photograph of the highlights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► and also our photo and I think I think I thought I was going with that board. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► and use out of the same like the whole idea that you know can you take your photo collection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2694">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► and do all your photos that way I don't know the answer to that as yet I don't think that the keynote gave us a ration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► Well I think it's I think the implication is very clear you know I photo has always had this problem where on you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► it was I thought it was originally conceived in a world before the i Phone and sync and it never had multi device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► and everything else and and photo stream kind of like half assed it in there but it wasn't a very good solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► and certainly was very confusing and then and then the i Phone comes out of the i Pad comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► and they have this Photos app which is not my photo. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► These are distinctly not I have a little and it has its own way to do things and store things to manage things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► and they bring i Photo to I O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► Which is weird because they didn't replace photos with it they just brought this other photo measure program which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► thought I was in my opinion has never been good but maybe that's just me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► but certainly I don't think has gotten like a lot of style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► and how could i Photo be any good I was have all your photos are in the photo happily That seems like what they've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► has brought that same dichotomy to the MAC and I don't understand why i Photo can't be the same app it is today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2753">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► Already done the i Cloud way so I think I think the new photos up on the map they should of us coming up next next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► spring on this it is not. They said next year and so they are not tied to an O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► Release and it's not read like it got pushed basic like you did not read it it didn't make it into Yosemite. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► Right so I'm some pretty sure the implication there though is that the new photos aftermath of coming next year is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► replacement for I thought oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► but what I showed was not what they showed with the I.O.'s photos up inside a window with a little toolbar doesn't come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► close to like doing keywords and maps and slide shows and all the stuff that I will. Photos up on an i O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► Already has much I don't have the man himself but it has like the maps and the albums [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► and getting a lot of them already I'm I think the implication of where the going is very clear like I sort of go in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► We're just not I mean the giving of the from the photos in the cloud like it's what we're talking about with messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► what they're basically saying is some of these photos will be on your local device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► but you have access to more photos like I mean EVER pics that you didn't have every single foreign for a library on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2816">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► your phone just because you upload pics but you could scroll through all of them and you can show anyone of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► and Apple is doing that now saying yeah we're going to do that to all your photos can't be on your I with the AIs will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► store your photos but you can get to all of them from your eye with their eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► and you can get to them all from your mac sometime next year that's what we're looking for a unified photo right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► Right protected in the cloud. Hopefully locally cash on your Macin are big enough and some of them on your phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► Yeah and if the if the mac version is good enough and able to and willing to also import S.L.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► Pictures and pictures from from stand alone cameras then that will be amazing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► You know I don't know it I think it's it's very very clear where they're going. I think I agree. Aperture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► It's I would think if you have to continue to I think it probably does but yeah I believe the pro stuff a lag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► but like the whole idea it's what we want we want to have local fast access to our photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► but you are not to worry that if our if our computers die that we lose our photos so we want Apple to this story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2874">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Back then the cloud having to be have to be think everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► but half assed local copies an aperture at the POE out they be like well the prob people don't want their stuff in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► cloud of tubing anyway so let us have a lot of the hard drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► but you know you can't this is going to come like that the whole idea of sort of a transparent storage hierarchy where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► the canonical version is stored in a data center somewhere really safely for you hopefully not an age of us plus and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► and all your local your local versions are like just cashes out and there being a thinker and eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► and everything is fast because a local caching and it's all seamless. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► That's where that's where all storage is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► and for giant bins of data that we have in our giant bins are basically photos and video for regular people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► That's what we want for storage hierarchy that ends in the cloud and that is transparent to us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► and I feel like the photos set up that that Apple's building still grumbling about the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► but if that's the most of my complaints then we're still doing a pretty good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► and I'm really looking forward to it I'm really looking for trying it the only thing I wonder though is how we going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► get the years upon years upon years of photos that we've already taken in volume that's nothing like they came out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► a new version of I thought or of the photos up is the new version of i Photo import them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► or try to say OK now we're just going transparently make your eye for a library in the cloud of the writer ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► but you know that you know there's a path that they talk about in the keynote the cloud that cloud kit for like a slide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► or a group like ninety second I mean it was it was quick Did they mention the what you get with it in terms of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► storage limits over that only in the state of being I know they did they went over very quickly they said it was free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► with limits and you get like they were. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► We don't we can't the limits were not stated so we didn't know they were known as the documents that yeah they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► free with limits and those limits are pretty darn high. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► We could say from that as we've seen so high that I don't understand how Apple is able to give to provide the cloud get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► free with limits to the looks too good to be true to correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► They did give the limits in the presentation for like what the global like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/2996">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► You know you store whatever petabytes of data they did set up ready to tell you when you get per user right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► Yes that's interesting though because so the video of the petabytes that they're saying if you make an I.O.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► SAP and say Your I was Apple going to start something big like you know audio files or video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► or whatever for the limits are like with the free thing before you start paying any money is all you can store petabyte [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► of data for all uses of your app combined we don't know if that whether anything is per user or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► but why is it that if you develop an app you could to start from very well if you want to store your photos i Cloud you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► had to pay ninety nine cents to get like twenty gigs and three dollars to get two hundred gigs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► Only the per user what you get per user I don't I don't say but it's pretty small. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► I think it's safe to say that like it's it's you have to have a lot of use and I guess that's always limit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► but still in the bottom line is that you make some viral app like candy crush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► and you store a bunch of crappy content for everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► and you run into the pet of Apple is still going to have your data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► Well read Amazon of Microsoft originally it just seems like the pricing is still a little bit out of whack like I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► rather see Apple try to like I don't know how to rationalize that I don't know how to rationalize their willingness to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► or for an app developer while charging individual users so much more to get I mean I like the new pricing better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► but I still can't decide whether it's something that that fits with fits with their own offering for active Elbrus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► or fits with what people are going to be willing to pay for because that's all thing with us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► If people if someone gets a mac you know like oh you should probably sign up for i Cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► and do this monthly bill like that's going to be a hard sell on people you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► And same thing with the you know when you get your I WAS device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► and you run into the free storage limit you know to say oh well you have to pay money now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► and it just seems a little like a bait and switch I would rather have it be more upfront [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► and we have some assurance that this is something that regular people are going to do the wrong to take advantage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► and that is a price that we're going to deal with instead of having creep up on you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► Yeah I know and some of them follow closely the limits. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3117">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► These are are made public in a public document which will put in the show notes if I remember to which I probably won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► because I'm very hungry and tired. It is one hundred megs per user for assets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► One meg for database and then there are some translators but yet I will limit their pain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► but Apple's You couldn't build Instagram with that like that would probably hit that you know you have to have like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► wildly popular app that just save like high scores or talk up like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► but still again Apple's willing this is like go ahead try to find try to make an app that has three hundred million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► users then we will end up story upset about you but somehow that's OK with them and I think you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► and there are limits of cloud kit as far as far as we know we haven't learned much about it yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► and I have a list at the docks much of that on time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► but as far as we can tell it this is not going to let you build a website. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► Now I don't even run anything server side as far as we know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► Yeah it seems like it's all local could all client side code that tells the servers roughly what to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► but it's it's like you know factors of it's like it doesn't seem like there's a way for instance like like for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► with with overcast really underscore with with feed regularly to do this in there's a way to like run persistent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► crawlers on on their servers and have the notify you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► when new stuff comes in like that if they do have the notification thing but like the client has to pick up that data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► or generate that data to tell other clients that it's available it is like you're serious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► Right exactly and you know and so can the web version you can have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► Obviously windows are and drivers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► and so it's it's still a very limited system it's not going to replace servers for a lot of people it's not like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► not going to build next Instagram with this because the next Instagram is going to have to we're going to have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► hundred some point but it is an improvement like you can take it is a different take on one core data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► I caught you know because now we have to have a skinless database with you know queries that they'll run for you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► none of your app and that's the bucket you put your thing in but it's like it's a different take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► and I got a court date in that it's not something that started logo on my cloud it's dark cloud the whole time it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► always in the cloud and it's a very similar thing can be done with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3236">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► Both of them I don't know what the interface is the program like to the make it look like you have a bunch of objects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► and they magically persist but I mean again they say all the right words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► and it seems like this will be a more reliable easier to understand easier to debug way to do some of the same tasks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3249">TS</a>]
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00:56:06 ◼ ► Firstly do we know we don't really know anything about identification authentication that sort of thing with regard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► cloud can't write because it would be really neat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► Even if I didn't use barely anything else with relation i Cloud like say I'm Marko I'm writing overtasked it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► sensibly be really great to get the accounts system out of cloud kit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► but do everything else myself you know just get a token from Cloud kit to identify who this person is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► and then everything else take care of on my own. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► We don't know don't write you that already if you want to try cloud I guess you just sort of make yourself a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► vestigial I got a document container that you never used. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► Now what you could do is you could you could just generate like a random key. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► There are random you know generating random ID and store in key value storage and you could read that later. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► So that's the but and you know when you base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► when you base your application i Cloud you get is big benefit of they're already logged into this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► but it also comes with a lot of weird little downsides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► and complexity is that the sign out of i Cloud to like put their stuff off to the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► and get back into it to restored for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► and you know right so there's there's a number of weirdness is that now the good thing is something else that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► totally unrelated to this that they announced is the family sharing which I think yeah I think I saw a family sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► you can you can you can have up to like six people if you all have the same credit card which is a good imitation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► prevent weird fraud issues you know up to six people have basically pulled the purchases for all the you know i Tunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► media as well as apps an app purchases which is awesome because I think this will this will dramatically cut down on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► people who need to keep signing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► and out of different Apple ideas because they have like you know one idea that purchases everything that they share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► with their wife or their kids or whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► and it's I think this is going to really help anyway so that's beside the point so if you use i Cloud as an occasion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3473">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► and sometimes that isn't what users expect So like if someone signing in to different i Cloud accounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► and they launch your podcast app and all of a sudden everything's gone because you know because they sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► and they send in two different countdown a movie and they forgot about that they launch they launch your app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► and your app has no idea who they are where all the stuff is because well you've always been pretty good about giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► you a different Apple ID for each of the individual apps like I've learned that setting up all devices for my kids. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► I'm surprised the number of places they have to go hunt down my Apple I.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► and Remove them and put in you know different applet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► Oh I forgot the I message is still fine and in the Oh I forgot that you know that the App Store Asinus me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► and they're pretty good about spreading around like the big thing with the family is I mean they haven't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► finished this job they've just started this job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► but it's acknowledging that twittering thing of dodging the existence of families is acknowledging how regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► use their products that we exist in families that kids have might have their own devices that you have to get the hammy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► down devices that we don't want to buy me at multiple times. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► One of the other nonsense is that in general the family has a family collection of photos whereas individual kids might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► have individual collection of photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► but like you don't know I got to go on my wife's computer because the photo computer that's where our photos are I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► haven't gotten that point yet for them to know I laugh as I don't type of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► but at the very least acknowledge you kids want to buy stuff you don't want them to be able to sign Internet you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► notification on your device that says so and so want to buy something approve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► or reject like that's what happens in real life anyway and so the building into the O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► You know electronically which is you know they must all have I.O.'s devices in their family has taken this long to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► create a product that acknowledges how everybody knows everybody using the products to begin with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► Yeah I mean this is this is just one of those things that the the mac crap they unveiled today it's you know like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► said I said two weeks ago or last week that Apple lacked server side hustle and that's a good point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► and I think that's probably still the case in general with their online services but I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3595">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► Shows where all the hustles been spent that unfortunate word because all I can think about is the kid it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► running for you know running for with a football or trying to go somewhere for a pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► and doesn't get there in time of the coaches are a good hustle good hustle but when I have a good hustle son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► and sure they are showing hustle I just don't know if they were if they are the kid who wasn't fast enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► The coaches want to sound encouraging anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► We need we want to see like them catch the touchdown pass not just as a good hustle son well you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► and it seems like you know server a server and service side stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► They are still keeping pretty limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► but I think they're doing like what we see today what we saw today that they're doing a lot more like like the whole i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► Cloud Dropbox copy thing I did not expect that at all like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► That was like a line I didn't and they were never cross with i Cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► and it solves a lot of problems that we've talked about with things like that like the file file siloing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► and documents filing and how you know how to hang in there like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► When they first showed it the file was a right there look at the folder called keynote that's the keynote silo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► and look at the folder called pages as the pages so I mean the unification of those apps across of the unification of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► work to make them be able to have those silos in both places go though I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► and make any sense you'd have like i O S pages versus whatever right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► Yeah the silos are still all there the whole idea is that if you just want to be filed like you are now it's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► but this is another way you can look at things and the question is like when I look at that when I look at i Cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► and his keynote and pages or whatever can I make my own folders alongside them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► Yes you can do like well who sandbox is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► and is that in somebody that in the keynote sandbox is that in the whatever Semites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► and the answer is No it's not in the document it enters over their pages and over there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► but within pages on us you can add a little whatever that brings up the I was equivalent of the Open Save dialog box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► and go to someplace else is not in your document container [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► and get a document like the folder that you made called you know garage sale that's going to be your product for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► Yeah and so you like it's like having their cake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► and eat it too if you want to work the old way it still works one hundred percent the old way if you want to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3715">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► The new way you can just pretend that all we're doing this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► Just make a bunch of noise is a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► or never look in your document to parents all from like the little extension of the sandbox reaching out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► and allowing you to access the files you know I should point out I do not like to look at that quote unquote Open Save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► dialog I think looks that they never show a list here so I don't know what it looks like with a fair point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► Yeah the other thing I want to talk about really quickly about I.O.'s and maybe you guys have some other stuff too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► but the leaving and muting of group messages is one under again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► Knowledge made of how people like who is there a larger concentration of people who use i Phones and i with devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► and Apple employees they must all know what it's like to be friends with the green bubbles you can talk about the not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► be able to leave the group chats. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► You know I have to get with the message with the keep button like acknowledging that you had the wrong default like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► thought the default would be keep everything about people individually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► and it turns out that the right default is delete everything but people individually keep Yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► and I'm just so excited I'm excited that you can leave a conversation although it was never made clear to me that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3775">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► is S.M.S. and I message like maybe this that's why I think I want to clear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► Right but not only can you leave a conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► but you can also new to conversation I think they called it a different term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► but in effect you don't get the buzz in your pocket and so on and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► but nevertheless you'll still receive the message. It should be S.M.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► To because they'll just like not like it's a software thing like my already getting the S.M.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► Is there just not you know you could do it all client side essentially. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► I completely agree with you but I was never made clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► and so you know I don't I don't count my chickens where they hatch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► but I'm extremely extremely excited about that because I get on these group messages and it's like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► or two people I know and then like ten random phone numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► and of course nobody's courteous enough to just reply to the author individually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► and then I'm on these damn conversations that last two days often at odd hours in the morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► and that's the most frustrating thing in the world so I'm really excited about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► Anything else about I.O.'s that you got I think they did everything that we ever wanted for I.O.'s except for that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3833">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► Except for letting you pick a different of all the positive third party keyboards that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► when it's on the lock screen didn't do it as in the homes there that it would to the lock screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► You know being able to share documents trying applications for interrupting an occasion they just didn't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► when he's crime is my default browser I don't want to Zap Mail was my default right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► and that was I mean wishing for that was always been a stretch they might still do it somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► but I think that is exactly I think their part of the war that even more of a stretch like that is that is exactly in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► the ballpark of the things they did like they did things that are as radical as letting you change or to fall back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► but you know I mean and you know the entire extension system is just like shockingly robust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► and just changes everything I mean there's there's this it's going to take us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► I was talking about this earlier I think you know all of a sudden now for all of our U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► History for all you know for a lot of listeners of the show certainly for me people who have been working on i OS apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► all this time so far there's been this these entire categories of apps that were impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3895">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► Us entire capabilities that we lacked that we couldn't do well stupid hacks like for instance paper having to make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► stupid bookmarklet stupid hacks like that. Hell the entire U.R.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► Scheme thing that we're all that we've been hacking around now like so many of these things are totally obsolete now as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► and there's So not only do we have all these existing things we've been doing that will now be able to be a lot better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► but there's entire classes of apps that have never been possible to make before that are now possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► or entire classes of activities that before you could do what it was so clunky would never really take off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► and would never really be that much of a good product. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► Now those things can be native and can be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► and it's going to take I would say at least a year for many of us who have been doing this for a while to forget that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► we can do these things it's like cars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3957">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► Now we have something to keep building that all came at once in addition to this whole new language that we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► learn which will get to like we have all these new things that we can now do like it's going to take a while for us to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► feel to finally internalize these things so that we can start building wait a minute we can do X. Y. and Z. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► Like oh man this would be a good idea for an apple this would be great and hence into our existing app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► Now we can do this like it's that list is so long of what you can now do that this is just it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► ridiculously good for us I think long term and it's going to take a while to the full facts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► and they did the obvious invalidation like we were talking about oh what if they let you do an activity sheet thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► where you can you know have your thing like add ins to be bred the Penders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► and like well they do that in every dog his brother is going to have a little stupid icon in the things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► and he's some kind of preference you turn them on and off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► and like with the simplicity of IO as Notification Center as it was the first thing that showed like they're not afraid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► to give you a wall of check boxes or you know switches in Iowa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► and so they do that like the obvious implication is you register you're able to hand your old you let the user have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► gigantic wall of on off switch is to tell which ones they want to see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4017">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► Probably done and done like we're all saying like well you can't do that and just like you know they can do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► and the great thing about Apple doing it is like the ecosystem they're creating now is not just like one apple vendor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► and they're like oh my three apps cooperate all the apps are going to be able to cooperate so you were going to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► to reap the benefits or latch on to enhance some other app because if you can work on the same data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► and integrate with each other you don't need cooperate you don't need third parties to cooperate with each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► outside the realm of the star app developer that never knew each other. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► Can Now the user can now use their apps to work together on a single thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► and that's what it's been like in the macro is but now to be like that and i OS where it's really impressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► and I feel I feel like we're seeing a whole new owner of progressive is the right word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► but a whole new progressive Apple that's willing to do the things that we never thought they would be willing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► and I'm really excited about it now granted I'm always amped up and really excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► and jazzed after after the keynote and so on but but I I feel more excited today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4074">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► About not only what we've what they've announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► but what we can imagine in the future because all of these impenetrable doors that have been triple locked in cement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► sealed in welded shut a few of them were blown open today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► And so if they're willing to do a new keyboard gosh knows what's going to be willing to do in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► and so I'm really really excited mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► It's almost like they came out with a new they did come out with a new language that in there John. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► but I think a lot of this is you know a lot of this is decision changes at Apple even possibly it's leadership changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► but I think you know what John said earlier is very correct word like you know they were able to do all this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► because of both hardware varies with the now the ability to have you know more things in memory at once. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► And also the all the security features that they've added that they have like the infrastructure to enable the writers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► like many of these features now and now that they are doing them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► and the way they're doing them now many of them have no downside. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► Like there's there's no cost to doing this now it's you know there was always a good reason not to before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4137">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► but once you can once you have the infrastructure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► and once you know once the hardware is hard enough to allow a lot of these things like like you know they didn't give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► us a home screen widgets on spring board because the home screens always showing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► But when you pull in the Notification Center like now they can take intelligently refresh those only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► when you pull a notification center a lot of people never pulled a notification center so they never have to update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► Like there's all sorts of optimizations they can do all sorts of you know just restrictions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► and limits on where they're choosing to do these things and how to choose any of these things make them possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► and make them come with low or no cost. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► Overall the experience part of Apple secrecy thing is that like it's obvious now in hindsight how they were laying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► groundwork for all these things by laying the ground by law allowing technology to advance by the harbor getting better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► That handsome so that they're able to deliver this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► and you could say oh this is the grand plan along three years ago we were complaining about this stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► Savile couldn't say it was a secret they were doing this and we don't know whether that's the case or not but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4195">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► It seems like from the outside that like their priorities haven't changed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► Every time we've gotten a new feature it's been like now within the bounds of the priorities we set out for Iowa in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► terms of safety response and as we are now able to deliver this feature that you wanted a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► and it like gospel has changed direction. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► They've simply stuck to their priorities and waited not just waited for in terms of the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► but also said if we're going to ever do this let's figure out the steps who have to take it over a series of I.O.'s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► releases they lay the groundwork slowly slowly and are now finding come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► and I with it it seems like a whole bunch of those things came to a head of the same time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► Like fire they had the infrastructure to do all of these things and they did all of them. It's been really impressive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► So we should talk about this new language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► John what do you think I feel I feel vindicated in some ways because if you think about like you know the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► twenty ten thing in twenty ten came and went and nothing happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4256">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► and had one was revisited was that twenty twenty ten twenty ten I want to revisit a writer I write written the engine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► only twenty three years only and twenty three two thousand one hundred twenty five as you say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► Where's Jason when you know how many numbers are like anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► Like right the whole the whole the whole debate you know among stuff on the outside of Apple about like why do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► think they need a new language and runtime Why can't they just use objective seeing it and do it to enhance it and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► M When I became out with was not a continued enhancement of Objective C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► It was a new language unequivocally a new language. It all looks different. It's got a different name. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► You know the only thing they haven't changed the A.P.I. Seems to be under the covers the same A.B.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► but The way you use it is different because there are so many language features that essentially convert to a big whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► mess of Objective C. Code. So they're sort of getting a new A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► Without getting into IT guy which is very clever like they're not saying this language is so different We're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► need all new A.P.I. Is all new function names is all new arguments or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► Instead they said here's this compact way to say something that a value centrally is this big long block of not block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► but you know the big wad of Objective C. Code you don't have to write that big wad anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► All that intent is expressed in this thing and it's not a new A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► and That I think is very clever now I haven't had time to look at the language itself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► It looks a lot like a language written by people who like C. and C. Plus plus an Objective C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► I'm not necessarily one of those people but for people it should be familiar to them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► I heard you say on Twitter that it looked a lot like go in his comparison was C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► Sharp is to Java as SWIFT is to go and again not having looked at a very long that seems vaguely apt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► but the bottom line is they have a new language and they're committing to it going forward. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4376">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► It builds on everything they've done before building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► and all of the Emma builds on their own compiler infrastructure build on our ideas on our you know an arc on it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► and you know it is that the compromise talk about Objective C. Without the C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► Which was actually on a slide the actual phrases that object believe it I have I was trying to marry who originally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► came of that phrase on the Web It wasn't me it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► but it was in the discussion like one of the just keep shaving the edges of Objective C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► but you don't need pointers like swift doesn't have the friggin stars like it's not you know you can mix it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► Code there are pointers behind the scene but you don't back or you can't dereference them start doing random crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► and this is their compromise unsafe code mix with Safeco but the save code is so very clearly safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► and it's super fast to get under the covers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► It's compiling down to you know all of the M intermediary code which could optimize I mean you know it's the same. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► It's calling the same A.P.I. As some was asking when they get to the R.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► For a benchmark like look how much faster Swift is it R C four benchmark going to be I can see how could object. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4435">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► C B So slow undoing the R.C. For benchmark. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► What is it about swift that makes it faster I mean people who say OK fine so swift is justice fast good how can how can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► swift be faster I don't know the answer to that having just come out looking up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► but my guess is that swift lets you express what you want to do in a way that doesn't have all the baggage of C. In C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► Plus plus and all those other languages because they have to be so cautious about well I could do this optimization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► but what if the thing that I call actually writes this memory address and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► and swift can say I can tell you that's not going to happen because they have no way to get it that there's no way for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► them to be reference something goes over the section. Trust me it's going to believe this or that. We're back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► Trust me it's going to be safe to do this optimization because the program has expressed his intent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► and we don't have to worry about all these cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► and this easy process compiler that are unsafe that the compiler cannot make strong guarantees about you know it has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► do the cautious thing and I don't know if that's why the R.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4496">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► For benchmark is faster but that is that that's what I was talking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► What can you do with a new language it's not just syntactic sugar it's because you can allow the pervert to express [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► their intent without having all these details of the implementation of a merry unsafe language that the runtime in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► comparing says not to worry about. Yeah I think you're exactly right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► The performance gains don't make a lot of sense otherwise but but it has to be about that about optimizations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► and you know and all the assumptions that the compiler can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:26 ◼ ► and you know the often optimizing compiler so advanced these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4526">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► and the more information you can give them about what they need to do what they don't need to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► The better opt in the code they can generate makes a huge difference I think there was a big presentation by someone in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► the O.M. Thing might interest latter somebody else that was going through like undefined behavior according to the C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► Specifications he says because if you do X. or Y. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► Is undefined behavior and there are so many cases that it comes up and it ties the rating of the M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► and The optimizer in the code generator it ties their hands it's like Boy we would love to does optimization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► but according to the speed C. Spec it's not safe for us to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4557">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► And and so they may just be sitting there just waiting to unleash these optimizations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► and with swift they can define a language that is not impaired in that way that it doesn't have all these education say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► Now finally we can pause after all that the nation it is safe to do this guaranteed to do it and figure out faster. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► Yet the other thing that was really impressive about SWIFT which comes back to what you were saying earlier about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► constant priorities is that the protections around doing something stupid a great example being over running away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► So if you are a twenty items and you ask for item twenty five it's going to catch that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► and not let you do something either stupid or dangerous and it's it's going to probably fail dramatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► but that's a much better approach than just letting you run amok in memory that really doesn't belong to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► and that's just one example of many different protections they've made in order to prevent something like the Hartley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► book they didn't want to give up anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► So like compile time static analysis strong typing like you know so we can catch that you know if there was if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► was an array out of bounds error they would catch that at compile time if they could you know if it wasn't a runtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► value being put in there because they didn't give up any of the typing stuff like I saw this tweet did I don't read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► myself as I was saying in the swift swift book that Apple put out on the bookstore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► and you can go get for free right now it was saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► Swift designed to be a language that you can use to write everything from operating systems up the applications like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► single language that it's not like oh you just use this to make you fancy gooey apps when you write the O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► You have to do it in C. It seems like Apple saying we can be swift from top to bottom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► Everything we make all the software we make is apple from the operating system itself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► All we have to all of our gooey applications in theory could be written in Swiss because that's how it's designed it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► designed to be as efficient as the low level languages but even more pleasant to use than object was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► and that is an ambitious goal and I applaud them for it I'm not sure they would because I have read in them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► but I mean what more can you ask the new language you know from top to bottom fully committed to it always it always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► seems like this is one of the reasons why I don't learn languages very often much to your chagrin. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4672">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► Of technology and resources and effort to have these languages that have you know great feature X. Y. and Z. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► and Then Oh but it doesn't run on Linux or you can't use it to build you eat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► or like there's all these like the limitations that like it's not really the fault of the language is more of a library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► issue usually or an implementation or V.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► or something like you know it is it does seem like a waste to have you know to become an expert in language that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► You know from my point of view of not wanting to learn languages very often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► but I think this is going to be looking at this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► Obviously yes I'm going to learn this because I think I think every Objective C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► Programmer of today should start learning what to soon as they can because it's absolutely you know it's not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► it's not like Objective C. Is going to be deprecated or start or go away in a year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► You know look at look at how long Apple has supported the old C A P I's. All the core foundation stuff C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► Plus plus a compilation of everything like that this is going to be here for a reason to be around for a while I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4736">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► but they map to each other that's the for you thing about it like over the shoulder thing where there's that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► look at the project to see header [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► and we'll translate it mechanically to the swifter because like they didn't change the A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► Underneath that is like you could write the equivalent object to speak of the object the sequel there would be unsafe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► because you could reference anything to crazy stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► The SWIFT code is safe because what you write doesn't include in that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► and that's that's fairly genius like saying that we're going to want to make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► I mean in that respect it's like oh this is a low level language with a high level syntax in the other interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► thing to me was that as much as we all the Mon X. Code they spent enough time to make the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► Code tooling good just like you said when you look at documentation it will mechanically translate from Objective C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► Additionally they have what is a playground as I write which is basically like not quite a command line like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► It's better than that and it's gooey based and so they were showing demos of rewinding and playing animations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4792">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► And doing things that I would love to be able to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► Yeah and that's just this is just Xcode swift tooling there's a bunch of other tooling I think most of which is N.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► Aid that's also extremely impressive and they didn't just throw this language out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► and say hey you're probably going to need to learn this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► and you know we're not really going to help you just there's some documentation to figure it out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► There's the i Book that John mentioned there's this playground thing within X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► Code there's a whole bunch of documentation on their website I mean they're really they taking this seriously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► and the rumblings I've heard from from a few friends is that not everyone in Apple knew about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► but those that did have been working on it for a long time and I think that's pretty apparent pretty quickly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► and all the more impressive that was kept secret on those two absolutely I mean there are people from from what I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► gathered there are people in Apple that had no freaking clue that this was about to happen to me is just mind boggling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► Again that's the genius of the transparency they didn't need to know because it's not as if like what they saw them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4853">TS</a>]
01:20:59 ◼ ► translate that header file it's like they could translate your Objective C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4859">TS</a>]
01:21:03 ◼ ► Course source to Swiss mechanically Perhaps if they wanted to. Probably not because you have the C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4863">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► Part so they wouldn't be able to you know like I would like to do a lot of it so the rest of the organization doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► need to know because under that like it's all binary compatible that's in the state of the union thing where someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► just tweeted that you can stream the state of the Union without any kind of password so there must be public. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► They are they mentioned that they said it was going to be binary compound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► but not necessarily source compatible because what they're saying is like we don't know whether we even have the syntax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► of the thing they'll down even though we've been developing it for who knows how long internally they're reserving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► right to change their mind about the syntax before the release of a video ices that are built on it during the period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► and of course they'll go on you know swift one point I was supposed to point to like the Dome of the object to see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► expanded like crazy but Swift is designed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► They're saying it was defined in terms of itself which any Perl six fans out there the five of you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► when you know Perl six is also defined in terms of itself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4915">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► If you know the language spec was written you know the language itself is written in Perl six you don't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► mutable syntax of Perl six but that whole philosophy that swift serves and to be self posting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► and of these things that we think that are intrinsic to the language like a raisin collections [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► but rather are like its library base their part libraries are built on it so it's it's it's a modern construct of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► to build language don't just define a syntax and say this in the language forever more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► and they have different versions of the rather design a lot like L V M L O V M is a compiler system made as a series of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► Swift made by the same people the process is a language made as a series of libraries and the libraries will change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► and be added to over time and the core language itself is very very small and tight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► Yeah this is also a very wise way to do it in that they didn't replace the frameworks they didn't you know they come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► they couldn't do much work right and that's a thing only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► and that's why we were always kind of worried like well they sure do seem to be adding a lot of framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► and this is going to be a big job to ever give us tonight to new language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► and instead design a language didn't need that conversion and that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► and that's going to help us too like it's not going to take very long for us to learn Swift because we'll learn the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► syntax in a weekend and you know we'll get the bits and pieces like the fringes over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► but we already know the entire library that the libraries have not changed we know we know the entire We know all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► frameworks already and that's a huge win. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► I mean they're still they're still there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► when they're not getting which is like using some of the guys from Swift may seem silly like it other words if these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► abs are designed in a world with Swift with a guide look the way they do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► I mean even stuff like I don't know how they're going to end like Error parameters you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► Yeah they're promise of like I'm sure that there's massaging to be done there so they're not like it's the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► compromise for them but it is still a compromise in that if you were designing new A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► In a world where Swift was the beginning instead of the endpoint of language evolution your A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► Would look different but that's just not an option for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► and so this compromise like Arc kind of is is the right compromise for Apple this time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5034">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► I'm I'm just I'm just happy the only thing I really saw the like is an ally convincing anybody of anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► but like I mean I'm just happy that it happened because I thought it needed to happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► and assuming that this process has been going on for years that means I've been having conversations with people from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► Apple who knew that Swift was happening and now and could not tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► and who would talk about imagine what they must have been thinking some talk that I'm very well before you could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► with a whole new language instead of just extending objectives the and they would. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► Yeah they do they do it and then they get some point they're going to start making A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:40 ◼ ► That only work in Swift you know they like like the so many guys in previous transitions like going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5080">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► when going from carbon to cook Oh I'm sorry Exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► and yeah there are certain things that that really there's not going to certainly be there probably is not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► make if you're to see versions anymore and the amazing thing about these tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5096">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► and the way they've built the thing is that you can opt in to use with it just like you can opt in her compilation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► and so you can have an app like you don't have like I don't have to convert my entire after swift to to use any of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► I can convert one file I can just start writing new modules and swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► and eventually you know port the whole application slowly over time as I update things like there's so many. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► The way they're doing this is so immensely practical for the environment that we're actually in today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► Remember how gross the block syntax looks and looked with a carrot and all that crazy stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► I remember the Datsun tax it was like I don't know about the dot in the regular thing some people stuck with a square [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:38 ◼ ► bag in hindsight you're like don't worry about the only block syntax guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5138">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► and with little difficulty braces don't worry about the stupid dots and X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► Guys and swift it'll all be dots like every If you look backwards. The Objective C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► Answers and some of them are awkward and weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► or whatever all of them are just like laying the groundwork to get swift up to speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► and that's what makes you expect must of been a multi-year long process. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5156">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► You know it will get poetic if I think back to like this project starting two thousand and ten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► That's actually based on some things we're hearing it sound that that might be around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► when it started certainly in the ballpark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► and you think about how in the hell in this kind of effort takes anyway you know you would have to have been at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► you know I'm sure they didn't start this in twenty thirteen twenty twelve like probably you know probably ten eleven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► but you know this is this is I'm I'm so happy with how they're doing this it's just it's extremely pragmatic yet really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► and you know it's a way to to use their their strengths you know Apple Apple is really good at recognizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► when they have something good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► and being able to leverage your strengths in New in new creative ways like the death tools team especially is just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► so good I mean you know what I'm what I'm the only thing on the set about here besides I have to learn something new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► which I guess is probably a good thing that you want to set about is I finally figured out block syntax why don't we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5214">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► stop having to go to our Evan blocks or act right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► I finally don't have to go there like last month I finally got I can write block as method parameters I can run it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► I finally figured out blocks in fact reliably this month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► and now it's all I want don't feel bad Margo I know how to do profile formats. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► No nos of the five people out there to the prospects of understand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► and that that information became useless as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► Yet so today your knowledge of blocks the syntax of blocks went out the window. Marco is wearing the A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► and now all the code on the back is basically deprecated it oh yeah I was right then Swift now is that what's wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► but no it's been an extremely exciting day I can't wait to learn more about it because just like John was saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► know we've had no time today to look at this and so at a glance this all looks really compelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► and I presume that as we look deeper and deeper it's going to look more and more compelling than ever now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5273">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► The next four days bring in see what what we're going to learn about all of this I mean I notice that in the sessions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► there's like a beginner level swift advance levels with their intermediary and advancing all this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► and maybe that's under India and if so my bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► But suffice to say they're doing multi tier swift sessions on the span of a week so I don't know who they think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► going to intermediate level in the span of like twenty four hours now but I think it's like if you've never seen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► Like if you're a new developer period like me go through the basics whereas if you if you have experience with seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► languages I think you could jump right into the advance with thing and then be like Oh I understand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:34 ◼ ► Like right you know if you don't know what closures are them just showing you that in advance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5314">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► and I don't even know what it is you're talking about let alone how it behaves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► and you know what I mean like like that with a list of code and intent and double underscore weeks are strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► and you know like what is the scope of the variable how they're retaining the swiftness like you don't need to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► about I mean I'm hoping you don't need to I mean look well because it does use the arc model underneath so like things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► like weak like weak references right for doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► and thing do you need to annotate that anymore as I'm getting out like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► or is it built into the language like that there again you know there are there are certain things like you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► you can't it within the arc model you can't prevent retain cycles in certain scenarios without having the kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► and so like you know right what we've seen so far Swift is we've seen the curated good stuff that demos Well we haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► seen like the ugly stuff that like that they have to have yet you know and it might get less pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► but the fact is like I'm sure it'll be close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► and I didn't it'll be good to remove so much noise like even just with type inference are you talking about last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► was like going to get a paper and been subjected to that kind of like that was the next thing on the list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► but it's like part of the big part of the big giant language that uncovered everything you say before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► and like getting rid of the types everywhere getting rid of obviously retain at least one away with ARC you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► and I'm hoping like the silly annotations needed for the compile it if I want to do like you said if you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5392">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► probably need something to break so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► Goals but I don't know what that's going to look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► and it could be that they just have strong guarantees in the language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► and if you know it will allow you to create cycles of use the structures in this way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► and if you create them in this way you do create them there's no way to break them so just don't do that we don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► if I'm just going to look for different certain delegate math anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► but you know just you know I learned today is that I feel like I learned today that Apple was not only floored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► and so many things like there are a bunch of things I talked about with regard to layout so like if you're not doing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► and I need to learn it if you're not doing all the way out you gotta get on that on that train because you're get left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► behind if you have you know if you're not using dot syntax you've got to get on a train or get left. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► I'm getting on a swift train like Margaret I have liked learns with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► and like we should talk about that section of STATE OF THE UNION which is apparently public about what what was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► called size. What are they called. Oh no adaptive U.I. Is there either one of them or the like size modes or size. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5453">TS</a>]
01:31:00 ◼ ► Yeah it's basically you know if they were like screaming with a megaphone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5460">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► We are making a bigger I've already and also possibly thought by thought apps on that Deborah not sure yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► Yeah yeah yeah start using this stuff. I'm actually curious I don't even look at the A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► That I hope you don't have to use storyboards to get a lot of that I don't think you do I think I just like you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► do it all in code I go to the right part is the way to lay it out and it may be complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► but yeah like like we said on the previous show it could be that they just don't say anything about these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► Is about making your appearance they totally do like just there was a long section of that thing about yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:37 ◼ ► and it was extremely awkward his they were dancing all around the fact that they are basically saying there we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5497">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► bigger i Phones coming prepare yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:47 ◼ ► and even like even the side by side happenings which will require exactly the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5507">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► and like their sizes were like so big it was like a contact for tickly compact horizontally. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► Yes like let's just forget about resolution like it's all I'll tell you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5516">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► They're making a square i Phone there's a new like you can do square you know what I was the i Watch is a gigantic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► Square was like I mean this is this is another example of your android I think from the beginning I always had kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:10 ◼ ► like you I could be any size because our phones are you know we're not going to see your eye view I better adapt you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5530">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► have like a bag grid type of things where you put items in and constraints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:19 ◼ ► and Apple is just like the i Phone is here it's fixed this fixed exercises just deal with it right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► And they worked over the series of releases to slowly creep up on this concept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► and what they've come up with kind of a weird mongrel of like Aphex layout half or a layout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► and people in the transition but during that whole period they had the right product for the right time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► and now is finally the right time for an Android was that from the beginning which is like what you're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► with such a device and try to make the U.I. Looks good everywhere. Apple made a U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► That looks good in all of its previous devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► and now Apple is trying to show people how to continue to make us look good in any size device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:54 ◼ ► and not you know quote unquote any size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5574">TS</a>]
01:32:56 ◼ ► and it's a difference in philosophy because you know Android apps trying to make a U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5576">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► The scale to anything any size and shape is really hard and that's why a lot of Android U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► Is where we're especially like the stressed out apps on the Android tablets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► and everything Apple never did that at every step of the way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► Apple says we have a way of you know make awesome looking out in every possible size thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► and that way keeps changing as the number of sizes change and this is the newest way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► and one of the most complicated way but still for most cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► but I think this way is also probably like the end game of that of that path because like you know first it was in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► Springs interesting a very very basic model of scalable windows and views and everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► Then you have all the layout which is much more advanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► but the main limitation without a lead is like you know without being all crazy with that with dynamic checks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► and everything. You basically were applying the same constraints the same layout two of you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5620">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► and now you have more of a concept of like responsive web design which is like four for this size class you can use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► set of constraints for this idea last are going to just come in this way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5635">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► or you need this entirely different set of sort of concerns like that's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► That I think is like it's the end of that road and they can make it better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► but I think that's that's like the kind of system that that you pretty much need for the beginning because now all they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► have to do that size class right I mean is that it doesn't mean you're stupid until I come back or that even mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► but that they use the same constant values for the you know the numbers are of the hole they are in to keep adding size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► and then it's like well now we have the top of the works on your wall five display with the new Apple wallpaper that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► you paint on twenty seventy five and that is a whole different class. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:31 ◼ ► So we should probably wrap but what do you think Marco. Thumbs up thumbs down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5671">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► Are we are you excited are you happy are you disappointed what you think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► I'm extremely happy and excited I am a little afraid of my workload. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:47 ◼ ► but you know most the most the things they've added like I was very go into this like you know what if I always add something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5687">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► ridiculous that I must have and I have to you know delay my app until eight ships [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5693">TS</a>]
01:34:58 ◼ ► and I don't you know assuming that you can get like the widgets types in the all the all the bed type stuff if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5698">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► get that conditionally compiled the way you'd be able to do with previous versions like if I can ship an app with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► seven you know ship an app with the S.T.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► when It ships that I can have all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► but still be compatible with seven then that's fine I can still ship the Apple you know this summer somehow I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► or whenever I do have to do a lot more work to do now with with you know getting all the stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► but I'm I'm not like you know freaked out about having to get having to massively change my plans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► and the new things that they gave us are so good I mean it's the they gave us so much of what we both wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► and never thought we'd get that it's I'm just so excited to to get I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► and you know this week you know we're going to be here for the next four days and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:54 ◼ ► and learn about some of these things and sessions but we're not going to get a full appreciation for it until we go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5754">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► Home and start actually using these things and and that's and that's going to happen over the span of months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► and years and and over months and years we're all going to appreciate the scale of what we got today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► Right now it's still very new and it's still going to take a lot of thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► and experience with it before we realize the you know the full effects are you going to do the size class stuff so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► you're ready for the bigger i Phone probably I will probably do that once I make an i Pad interface that'll be part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:28 ◼ ► I haven't done that yet I'm not going to launch as far as I know with an i Pad version so that'll probably come you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5788">TS</a>]
01:36:34 ◼ ► know later fall or winter or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5794">TS</a>]
01:36:36 ◼ ► Right so John how do you feel I'm kind of overwhelmed by the amount of stuff that they've put out there. I'm not sure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5796">TS</a>]
01:36:42 ◼ ► Like ostensibly all all that I care about in this in these announcements of the last ten stuff I'm thinking about my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5802">TS</a>]
01:36:47 ◼ ► review and I still don't have that that oh S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5807">TS</a>]
01:36:50 ◼ ► and I saw in the news that I don't really know what to make of that people think oh this is going to be a big review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5810">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► but my initial impression is that it's not going to be that big is going to be small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5815">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► but I may be misled by the things that are always ten that are that are relevant to us ten that were their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► representative the other parts of the you know so I don't know yet but you're seventy it's interesting it's strange. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► The MAC was due her real refreshed I'm not sure if I like it or not yet I spent some time at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► and see all the other stuff I mean I'm excited as a user about the Iowa State so I'm excited to use all the apps that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► Yeah the take advantage of these features like really this is this is Iowa says time to time it's finally coming into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► its own and that's what I'm excited about from user perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► and of course the language stuff from an academic suspect of seems like just yeah I mean I will never ending it picking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:41 ◼ ► of swift self will begin once I went with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5861">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► but the bottom line is like they did it they you know they've got a new language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► and it may not have been the way I wanted it or all the things that I wanted out of a new language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:55 ◼ ► but merely the acknowledgement that it's not object receiver ever dissed it just. Good yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5875">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► Now like I said I'm just so pleased to see that Apple is really moving in they're moving quick in the end. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:06 ◼ ► Sitting here now I have no reason to doubt that any of this is going to work well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5886">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► Ask me about this in you know three or four months when I was a comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► and all this i Cloud stuff actually happens and maybe nothing works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:16 ◼ ► and then I regret being excited about how how quick Apple's moving but sitting here now it's a really encouraging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5896">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► and I'm really excited to play with all of this stuff in it should it should be really awesome. We'll see what happens. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► Yeah I really can't wait this is there are clearly fire and also owners and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► and you know we didn't even mention the lack of hardware updates today because the simple fact is it just didn't matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:39 ◼ ► They give us so much in the software and tools and which is appropriate for a developer conference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5919">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► They gave us so much there that you know we're we're content for a while I can learn swift on my old crappy monitor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► I can I can maybe busy enough that I can temporarily forget for maybe the next couple of months I can forget that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5933">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► don't have enough thermal screens yet and and thank goodness they didn't release a T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:05 ◼ ► In a watch for us all to develop you know come on over and yet no new category [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5945">TS</a>]
01:39:10 ◼ ► but nobody here the thing is like the harbor announces as much as I love them are a distraction from everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5950">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► because for the rest of the week at the set at the conference it'll talk about the hardware like it's all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:21 ◼ ► software this is a developer conference and we love it when there's hardware and it's exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5961">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► and you see in the last two but then they go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:26 ◼ ► and for the rest of that we are not talking about I mean maybe it's like you know their retina screens that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5966">TS</a>]
01:39:32 ◼ ► but this so much developer facing stuff like this whole keynote was still the stuff that the rest of the week is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5972">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► to be filled with. Yeah and it there so there was enough consumer stuff in there too that it wasn't like you know P.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► Disappointment for Apple today like they are on the I mean I'm sure some site analyst is saying that Apple's doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► because they didn't release you know no unicorn whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:54 ◼ ► but the fact is like I think most of the sensible places that are usually sensible at this thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/5994">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► As Will will see the value here for everyone consumers and developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:03 ◼ ► and this is just this is this is like this is just showing that Apple does have hustle is The Real Hustle they they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► have massive engineering resources that that they're just you know they're not applying to things like Street View cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► but they are they are applying to different problems that that you know you know we didn't get transit directions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:25 ◼ ► and that stuff can come in time like you know it like I'm not trying to criticize Google for you know because Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6025">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► has Google has engineering resources to spare and that shows with their weird side projects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:36 ◼ ► but their core stuff is still really good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6036">TS</a>]
01:40:38 ◼ ► This is showing that Apple can Apple cannot only still compete on Encore stuff just you know a different side of it not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6038">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► only can they still compete but they can to compete really well like really really competitively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► and the reason the bar in so many areas that that other that other companies and platforms aren't or lag behind in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6050">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► and of a low I feel like it's like they were there was a law where we were making a lot of demand building talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► all the upstart changes like we are making a lot of demands and people want things and Apple isn't releasing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► and it's almost like a whole bunch of stuff all came out of the open at once. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► Yeah we don't know how long any of those things were baking in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► but the bottom line is like they open up indoors like fifty cake spilled out like they're all already now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:25 ◼ ► and you know you may from the outside to be like well they must of heard what we complain about since I was seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6085">TS</a>]
01:41:31 ◼ ► and then all the stuff so much of the stuff you know it must have taken more than a year like these they just all came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6091">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► due at the same time so I mean again we haven't gone to new category T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► Forget about us stuff there's a lot this is a lot of like their cars they're sort of quiet period of just doing small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► incremental things that arguably ended with Iowa seven making the transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:50 ◼ ► but like man a lot of stuff came out today a lot of big things that we wanted for a long time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6110">TS</a>]
01:41:57 ◼ ► Yeah it was really awesome and I'm so stoked. So that's the way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6117">TS</a>]
01:42:01 ◼ ► So thank you so much to Jason Snell and the people Macworld for letting us still in studio for a while. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6121">TS</a>]
01:42:07 ◼ ► It's extremely kind of you so thank you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6127">TS</a>]
01:42:09 ◼ ► And we have some sponsors depending on the two or three sponsors this week Warby Parker iglu and Squarespace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6129">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► and we'll see you next week. Now to be in this it was accidental accidental death was accidental. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR8P0Zw/6137">TS</a>]