00:00:00 ◼ ► Global branding strategies. Could you just whip together a show but in twenty minutes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► Yeah the only thing is I can't get Ajax to work. Yeah I saw that use forms for them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► Yeah I did if I had like ten more minutes I could get Ajax working but I don't so here we are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/12">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► What did you find out your C. Code somewhere or did you actually write that too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/17">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► Oh there's no but there's no BODETT literally just a form I have no idea how to make and I receive it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/20">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► and that was probably not going to fit in my twenty minute budget to build. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/25">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► I was really starting to doubt my own self-worth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/29">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► When you said oh my Yeah I had to with this together in twenty minutes I'm thinking How the hell did he get an I.R.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/32">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► Button twenty minutes notice like the king of HAVE EVER queen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/38">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► or whatever what have you of having packages to do everything under the sun and I doubt I could get together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/41">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► and I receive a note in twenty minutes because I could download the library and instantiate it give it a channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/48">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► and then tell him what to look for like it's the library does everything for you you know I mean just a question of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/57">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► finding a library. Yeah and try to find a for P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/63">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► but code is open sourced I think you could have just one G.'s that I was racing I was reaching people in the chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/66">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► seeing who could who could finish first me rewriting it or them trying to get this installed a ruby thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/73">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► and full of dependencies and all those other crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/79">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► and I don't know how to host trivia so I figured I could rewrite it faster in my hosted for them than the time it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/81">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► take to figure out really what make fun of you so badly but I don't know crap about Ruby. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/87">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► I mean could you could you set it up in twenty minutes on service. Probably not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/92">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► Goodness All right well apologies in advance if I'm cranky tonight a little stressed out a lot a lot of things going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/97">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► in the lift household trying to keep it all under control really succeeding. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/105">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► So to make me feel better let's start by making fun of P.H.P. Yarn. You would know if you look at the notes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/109">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► Yeah just a disclaimer up front this is not my normal voice this is my I'm sick voice I've done many pun cast with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/120">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► I'm sick voice including I think like the least four of the six hours of Star Wars Pod gets an incompatibility. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/127">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► But anyway we'll get through this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/135">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► But it's kind of a shame because next week we're not recording an episode and I'll be better by that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/138">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► Oh yeah and speaking of a recording on what is today Thursday the twenty second. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/142">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► So just like we talked about last episode if we say something extraordinarily stupid it's because of time shift issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/147">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► not because we're actually on intelligence. All right so quick follow up. A bunch of correction follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/155">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► First one is that I didn't notice this when we were recording in part because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/161">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► when I listen back to a notice that Marco made some bold claims about P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/164">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► Being faster than javascript that much people wrote in to tell us that this is not the case if I had been paying better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/169">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► attention I would have tried to call him on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/173">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► but apparently I wasn't I was kind of surprised that you didn't at the time and I didn't remember hearing it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/175">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► As soon as I said it I realized that this is probably wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/181">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► Yeah so Ginger sent us the lunch links to benchmarks or put us on the show notes showing how incredibly slow P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/183">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► Is compared as nothing to do with a living language is what we're talking about on that show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/190">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► Javascript has had so much engineering resources put towards making it fast P.H.P. Less so. Yet at the core P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/196">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► Runtime seems like it's been held together by sticks and duct tape for its entire lifetime. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/203">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► And that's why Facebook is able to come and make such a massive upgrade with the end performance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/210">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► The fact is language I didn't mean to say that that that was kind of me stumbling around my words trying to say my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/218">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► actual point and my intended point which was that P.H.P. Like no one's ever really complained that P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/224">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► Being slow has never really been a problem for most people unless you're operating at Facebook scale it's fast enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/234">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► And it's not like performances have really been P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/240">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► Is problem is a thing of all these language a quote of language performance benchmarks as they always end of doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/242">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► stuff like doing like integer and floating point math right into arrays of integers and floats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/248">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► and you know calculating fractals and playing the game of life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/257">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► and doing things that no one will ever ask one of these dynamic languages. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/260">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► If you try to do anything math related [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/264">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► or anything with like densely packed structures of course the language that uses like a native ints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/267">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► and can use like the an operation on your C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/271">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► Is going to destroy the thing that every single variable is is crazy a structure with a million different things in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/274">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► Best case scenario is a big struct worst case something worse of course you can get slaughtered by someone doing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/279">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► know native operations versus that these languages are used mostly to manipulate strings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/286">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► and if you do string manipulation stuff like who can run regular expressions with you know you know code handling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/290">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► and intelligently replace things other then some of these dynamic languages even the slow ones that don't have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/298">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► attention paid to them start looking a lot better so I don't pay too much attention to these benchmarks because every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/304">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► dynamic language it slaughtered when you know Kevin fractals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/310">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► and who cares because that's not what they're being asked to do right like what matters most. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/313">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► when he's lying which is what matters most is like how much can it handle on servers in real life applications like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/318">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► much how many concurrent connections how many users you know how how much can you fit in a purse or ever per C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/324">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► or you know Paradine know if you're on some virtualize thing you know how much how much can a handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/332">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► and that's related to lots of things besides low level math performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/337">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► and it's in those areas that almost all modern languages and frameworks do pretty well at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/342">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► and you know platforms and web servers and everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/348">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► They're modern standards are pretty high for that and you know you can go like Apache versus engine X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/350">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► Versus built in servers and stuff like that and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/356">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► You can get into a lot of the degree there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/360">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► but the fact is they're all pretty fast these days because they're all pretty well designed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/361">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► and all pretty much any language you use on a reasonably hosted stack can handle a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/366">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► That's what I've noticed as an interesting fact because it's like well there's this language that we're all forced to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/371">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► use that tons of people have worked really hard to make fast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/375">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► Why don't we just use that on the server because then we can you know the javascript engine that Gould wrote that super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/378">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► fast. What it does on the servers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/383">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► but someone already did the work so here's a big Dymock language that someone's already made fast for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/386">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► and we can cut straight and do interesting things on top of that. Let me interrupt you real quick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/392">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► What you were saying about performance on DI nose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/398">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► and whatnot reminds me that I had somebody from her local reach out to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/401">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► and say hey we heard you talking about how I had thought that I'd hit some internal dashboard because of the traffic I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/406">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► got the American about the post about Aaron being pregnant. Well firstly I think I misread the U.R.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/413">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► and I do not think that that was an internal lab and people from Roku instance confirm that anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/419">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► But secondly something from Roku wrote me and I don't have his name handy and I apologize but wrote me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/424">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► and said in so many words your Dinah was well under control and not really getting taxed that badly at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/429">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► and that was when Google Analytics was reporting roughly five hundred concurrent users in the real time tab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/436">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► or fifteen thousand hits over the course of that day that I posted that So to your point in the right situation it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/445">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► really not that bad. No it is not that bad on server side so I'm sorry speaking of doubt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/452">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► Yeah talking about javascript modularization and the different systems for use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/457">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► and I said that I thought No just use A.M.D. It doesn't use its common J.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/463">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► Which is another one of those standards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/467">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► and there's also some point out to me the Eck Master scripts six modules thing of the you know Stan sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/469">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► And they've been marching on making new standards for the language well ahead of what browsers are implementing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/480">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► but if you look at the later ones there's a lot of interesting things in there including a formal language supported [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/485">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► way to do modules with I have a link here in the notes to this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/491">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► Yes six months will transpire that will write your let you write your job of using the six models intact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/497">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► and then compile it into either A M D A common data models [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/505">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► and all these things are trying to accomplish the same task you know sort of provide you know keep things out of each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/508">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► other's namespace and provide a formal interface for defining what a module is what its name to oil exports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/513">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► and all that other stuff. So yeah the great thing about standards so many to choose from. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/518">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► Right so additionally you had mentioned I don't remember if it was the regular show or the quote unquote after show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/525">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► but we had talked about i Phone ear buds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/532">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► and you were developed in your fairly devout your belief that the i Phones do not come with the ear buds Mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/535">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► and I explain the you were wrong and then you had intended to go on a treasure hunt for some of Tina's ear buds. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/541">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► What was the result of that I did find them that I asked her where the box was and she didn't tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/547">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► and maybe she didn't want to tell me on my own I found the box and in the box lo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/554">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► and behold completely you know still in the little plastic shrink wrap the whatever stuff were the earphones with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/561">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► Box I bet the ones in the forest box are still there as well because again I have never seen one in this house so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/570">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► think we've just never unpacked them so I unpacked the five US clicker and I was wearing it tonight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/575">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► when I was doing dishes and stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/580">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► I don't know if it's going to solve my problem is already with two issues I see with the the little clicker thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/583">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► Well the three one issue which is not really the fault of the phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/589">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► I Phones I think the headphones I think is that I get a little bit of like static like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/593">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► when I twist if I if I just whisper. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/598">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► All connector I get a little bit of crinkly static and maybe have some dirt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/600">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► or something inside my i Pod Touches headphone connector that only shows up with like the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/603">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► You know that like the little plug a little extra segments for the Klingon the contacts that contact might be a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/607">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► bit screwed up so that's kind of annoying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/613">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► It shouldn't be audible I believe it is uses the microphone contact for that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/615">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► Yeah I don't know what it is about is the lack of a part of my regular headphones I don't hear any cooking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/619">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► and you know this is just in my pocket I was an attention doing I took it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/623">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► and what the hell is that now I just wish that I can hear crinkle crinkle so who knows it's probably just dirt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/626">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► or something inside my connector or can you do. Could also be that ear buds are pieces of crap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/630">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► Oh would you stop it with that with your buds are not bad or not good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/636">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► This was in the pot catheters The second thing is and I understand why that is because of the microphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/640">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► and I really wish that the clicker was lower down on the thing because I don't want to reach up that high to two click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/647">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► but I was either going to make it a Mike they have to make it up higher so I can understand what it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/654">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► and the third thing is also related to where it is it means that one of the ear phones has different weighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/657">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► and different sort of you know when I turn my head around and everything one of the things is going to fly out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/662">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► and pull out more because it has an extra weight on it there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/667">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► and it makes my right ear your bottom right year start to work to way loose faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/670">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► and more aggressively than the one in my left ear doesn't whine a little. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/675">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► Well it is of no surprise to me that you have immediate complaints also I should note that your if I'm correct using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/679">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► your Pods Is that right is that what they call the new ear buds. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/685">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► Now here that we had the red ones that don't have a rubber gasket around them and it kind of like go into your ear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/689">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► or where is the four S. I believe came with the old ear buds which didn't have a formal name to my recollection. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/695">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► Yeah I like beer Pods they fit my ears reasonably well I like the idea that there's not anything that's going to wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/701">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► off on them. Well that's not true at all it just might take a little bit longer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/708">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► Well what's going to come off though there's no there's no like it's a solid piece of play to solve his The plastics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/712">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► are supposed to be the glass that could come apart but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/716">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► That seems much less likely in that stupid rubber thing coming off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/720">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► Well I mean the way the way most headphones die is internal fraying of the cable where it meets the headphone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/722">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► That's occasionally where it meets the jack and usually the headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/729">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► and almost always because that's just you know it's one of the strange points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/733">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► and the frame boots never really do that much and that's it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/737">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► and I've I didn't have the original i Pod I believe I'm the first one I got was the terrible on that the four touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/742">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► buttons on and I guess that was the third generation or something anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/748">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► I've never had a pair of Apple ear buds go bad but they all still work so I think I'm really gentle on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/752">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► and speaking of being gentle on one of the things you were suggesting to solve the problem of like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/760">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► when someone walks up to you got a fish the i Pod or your pocket and turn it off if you know how to cook or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/765">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► but I just think the headphone jack out is at a stoplight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/769">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► or yet will be of the story headphones doing that you're probably to destroy the jack to only destroy the headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/772">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► are not designed to be yanked out repeatedly so that is not a viable option for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/777">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► One thing I actually looked into as as a potential feature for overcast is to allow you to just tap the phone really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/782">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► hard with your fingers while it's in your pocket and allow that to mimic the clicker controls. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/790">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► I thought of all of that and I was going to suggest that to you but then I thought about a little longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/794">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► and I said this is a terrible idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/798">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► Yeah that's pretty much what happened I mean I tried like twenty four on a day to see if I could reliably detect that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/800">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► and it was just a really hard I don't think it would ever be good enough to like reliable enough to detect that without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/807">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► and you don't want to encourage people to be whacking their bio with devices even if it's just a finger tip because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/815">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► once you open that door you know how human nature you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/821">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► You'll tap your partner and you're going to make a remote Williams reference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/825">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► but you know you've never heard of that movie. No no finger will return the i Phone boom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/831">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► OK I'm going to wait for the kind of irresponsible is weak once again by our friends at dash. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/841">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► Go to the debt the dasher dot com dash dot com not an actual dash this is like the McSweeney's hard to pronounce email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/849">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► addresses the A G D S H dot com So it's not like a hyphen or anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/856">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► Anyway go to the dash dot com slash A T P And this is really cool it's basically allow you to build your own custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/861">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► dashboard and it can be public or private. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/871">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► And there's also you can fill it up with all sorts of widgets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/873">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► and you can customize it you can make your own widgets you can do you can do which is are things like your site traffic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/875">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► or recent tweets or you know your recent get hub commits if you're a developer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/882">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► All sorts of things social activity you know traffic to be all sorts of things if you can if you can see if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/887">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► picture a graph or a status widget for You Can they probably have it or can or will add it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/892">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► It's really great so they have a bunch of privileges for you to use. They're adding more all the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/897">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► Vanity searches all sorts of stuff you can put up there you know a lot of it like like we compare last week to Panix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/904">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► excellent status board app for i Pad It's kind of like that for the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/909">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► and in my opinion pretty pretty well expanded from that that they do a lot more a lot more comes with that really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/913">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► dashboard from dash look great on a T.V. If you want to buy Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/921">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► or Via chrome tast the pricing models really quite simple. It's a lot like her. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/926">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► So you can always create unlimited public dashboards for free if you sign up you can create one private dashboard for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/931">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► and then if you want you can just pay ten dollars a month if you have unlimited private dashboard so you can have internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/938">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► stuff kept private for your company or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/943">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► but if you want to go there play with it create a public dashboard go right ahead that's where you can even get one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/945">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► private at work for free. Really great thing go to the dash dot com slash A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/950">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► Run by great people I met one in the last year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/955">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► Really nice guy and a big fan of us as if you go to the dash dot com slash A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/960">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► You can even see the dashboards that he made for me John and Casey and they're actually pretty funny. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/965">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► So definitely check that out. Really cool thanks a lot to dash once again. The dash dot com slash A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/970">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► For sponsoring our show a couple people are asking on Twitter about different widgets who you mentioned you know which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/977">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► is the interface different services and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/982">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► and if you go to support the dash dot com You can vote on this within the next widget that they'll introduce ideas from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/984">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► the community for which they want and you can vote up the one you want to see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/992">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► So it's obviously an expanded platform and they're adding adding widgets as their demanded. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/996">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► Yeah so last week I said that I couldn't figure out how to get or I thought I didn't see my i Pod touch at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► but many people who have an accord of the same vintage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► and i Pod touch is of the same vintage that know it all it'll find it and so I took another run at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► and sure enough it's just because the interface is terrible like it's got the things that connect your device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1016">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► and then it says search for devices and it says searching and then his voice comes over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► and tells you if your device is incompatible go to ball blunder starting searching searching searching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► and I thought that was it looking for devices that apparently is a whole other feature where you had to like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► know the difference between searching for a device and adding a new devices but they're different functions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► and I don't remember how I found that eventually if I'm away to a different menu which is not searching for a device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► but adding a new device which is somehow a different thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► and it did find my i Pod touch so the next time I commute to work I will do so in Bluetooth glory. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► If you're going to see you're going to become a convert. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► It's really really convenient like that this is what I was saying last episode and this was edited out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► but being able to get in the car and just have it start playing is just so much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► and more convenient than having to plug in for any reason. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► It's it's worth not having your phone charge during a car ride just for the convenience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► and you know anything that cars do that requires. In a plug in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1076">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► I'm going to have a really hard time committing myself that's worth doing now because it's just so nice to just get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► it starts playing when you turn the car off it passes done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► I thought going to plug in my headphones for the walk from the parking garage to the office so that the little a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► bit I had to do that anymore the app on shuffle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► but yet not got the clicker for that it is that long enough to justify rocking headphones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► Oh yeah definitely down six flights of stairs on three flights there they're in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► and walked from the garage to the building. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► They don't all live in rural Virginia where your parking spot is right in front of your grandmother law office building. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► I'm going to choose not to engage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► So we should probably talk about predictions because by the time this episode comes out it will be mere days before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► big event and I wanted to start with hardware and this is a little bit of a tangent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► but there's been a lot of talk about larger i Phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► and it certainly does not stand to history recent history that will see any new i Phones during the city. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► But that being said let's suppose even if it doesn't happen during W D C Let's suppose that there are what is the what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► are the two sizes four point seven and five point point five five point five which is pretty big. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► So I want to ask Marco specifically because you seemed most enthusiastic about these bigger sizes Let's assume just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► the sake of conversation up before seven and five five are real and they exist so much anxiety right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► But let's also assume that the effective resolution is no different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► So I don't recall exactly what resolution the i Phones are today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► but whatever the size is that they blow it up to they just they they blow it up there's no more effective real estate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1191">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► Or are you really excited for them strictly based on the thought that you could shove more things on the screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► Now you know there was a rumor a couple of weeks back that I was I think this is on a ninety five map that I was eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► was going to include some kind of new resolution scaling feature possibly based on the way back O S ten does it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► If if that actually happens if there is some kind of feature where you can actually simulate higher resolutions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► or somehow adjust the size of things on screen to make everything so I mean there's universal text sizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► but it isn't that well supported yet but if this feature exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► and you can actually dynamically scale things then I would probably be tempted to go with the big one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► Or if they were actually used actually does have a higher resolution. I'd be pretty tempted to go for it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► I'm not sure I would keep it like you know the year after I might go back to the small four point seven inch size. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► I'm curious to try to never have a large screen phone and I know a lot of people say they're too big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► and you know for for how I use it especially since I don't really use an i Pad very often I use my phone for everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► that when I'm not at my computer. So I'd be really curious to try the big phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► That being said if it's only a pure scale up in the resolution and there's no X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► There's not more pixels and it doesn't put in more capability to see more onscreen with the same resolution. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► I'd have a really hard time justifying the bigger one because it's like well what am I really getting for that I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► and you're getting something like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► You could theoretically set the universal Tek size smaller and fit more on screen with text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► but it wouldn't quite have the same effect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► Having also never had a larger phone I just I don't see I don't see myself carrying a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1310">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► Urge your phone in my pocket anything over five inches for sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► and I'm not overly enthusiastic about a four point seven inch phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► but as with all things that I claim I either don't understand or don't like like Macs and i Phones and B.M.W.'s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► and many other things I'm not thinking of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► I'm sure it will probably come around on this but I don't I don't have an overabundance of pocket space as it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► and I don't even fancy skinny jeans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► or anything like that so I just I can't imagine having like a five inch plus phone sitting in my pocket all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► that does not sound enjoyable to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► I think a lot of people a lot of you know Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► and would end up getting it just like Margo said just to see what it's like because resilience people have only ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► had i Phones like they're you know they've only been buying i Phones haven't tried any other kind of phone you can try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► to just I mean I guess you will be able to tell from holding in the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► but like well I don't know if you want to just buy it own it you know you're getting a new phone next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► Give it a try and then you'll find out probably within the first couple weeks a couple months. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► but since it's a novelty in the Apple you know Iowa's device space I think a lot of people are going to buy it just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► see what it's like so Apple kind of gets out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► and there are going to regular people who aren't in this pot Cason aren't Apple because yes they're already buying big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► phones so it's not a big deal of them going big deal to people like us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► Also the screen might not be the only difference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► Obviously a larger phone can fit a larger battery and some of that battery power is going to be spent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► Why doing that larger screen but probably not all of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► If you know if they are assuming they have like the same you know a logic board motherboard inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► and it's just you know that same board plus larger battery and a bigger phone versus smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► and smaller phone you probably get better battery life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► The bigger one and it might not be by a whole lot but I bet it would be noticeable. Secondly if they do different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► and this is I thought that I talked with us on the talk show which will get back to him in a minute I thought it was on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► the talk show a while back we're talking about a big. But if they do different think Mrs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► They might have different cameras sensors and cameras sensors and phones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► Thickness tends to be the limiting factor in how good they can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► and that's why you see Android phones having these big blobby things where the camera is in the back so they can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► and put a nice sensor in there nice optics because optics like you can get to physical limits really you just need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► depth to make larger sensors larger optics you like that to make better image quality so if you know the rumors are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► that there's going to be this i Phone Air Heads it's like it's the biggest one that super thin. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► If the big one is thinner and has a worse camera as a result then that's going to be a pretty big downside for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► and I would almost certainly not get it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► I would say if the cameras are different at all between the two sizes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► and as obvious as this is assuming a lot lanes disclaim Apprentice assuming that there even are two i Phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► and by the way we probably won't hear about them. Next we will probably hear about them in the fall. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► But to me assuming that that there are two phones if there's any difference in the camera at all between them I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► almost certainly pick the one with a better camera matter what size it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► Preview real this case you put in stuff about a phone which we all things can be read in September [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► Well yeah some so I just I really wanted to ask Mark about this because sitting here now like I said I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► enthusiasm about a bigger phone although clearly the rest of the planet quite literally does so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► and I just wanted to ask real fast before we move on and before we forget. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► Speaking of the talk show so Gruber announced on the talk show today that he's doing a live show at a B.B.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► On Tuesday and we will be the guests on that live show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► So if you you know we decided to do our own live show because it's a lot of work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► and you know he's doing one hour now boogers invade his so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► So if you want to hear us unveil the talk show live at the B.B.C. Next week take it on. Right now is a record. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1555">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► But by the time we post this they will be so well we'll put a link in the show notes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► So let me so keep you know look at the show it's basically N.C. Tickets are probably going to go pretty quickly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► So go quickly if you want to come and hopefully we will see you there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► And where would people find the show months was not a song I don't know the show the song that every episode says you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► can find assurance but in the back to work conditions you have to give the full your role [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► and how do you make sure you're all you can do that can't you. Well there aren't that shore it's that F.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► Slash episodes slash sixty seven right it was number sixty seven Dan and yes it is OK And also you are lying. A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► F M F M slash sixty seven should work that does work. Oh my God. So yeah so it's a PITA. F.M. Slash sixty seven. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► Tuesday evening I don't know what time either six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► or seven six to nine at Mezzanine which is a really nice venue yet going to be a good show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► So take it out and we will all be there I will be there in person I'm flying out to do a lot of hot Hist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► We actually convinced him to do this because I did not I did not want to do a live five so if you want to see me he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► doesn't want to do a lot of thought guess he doesn't want to fly now but you know I'll survive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► So anyway all three of us will be there in the flesh. So OK Does anybody see stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► Let's start with the rest of the hardware the stuff that they actually may announce a W.D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► Do we see a Retina MacBook Air happening when they lowered the price on the current ones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► and took over a hundred dollars worth of that was a clear sign that they were making room for the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► and only twelve inch retina Air model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► but then I thought maybe it's just their preemptive move because they don't have that ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► and they just want to make these more attractive until they do have a ready and now I can't decide. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► Well I think you're right because Intel's having some issues getting the next E.P. Up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1674">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► That's Broadwell until having some issues with that getting out on time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► and so there it's basically been pretty widely rumored speculated maybe even said by Intel that they're basically not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► Models out until like December at the earliest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► and there's different to different times the different releases so you know the MacBook Air super low power C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► Might come out a different time than like the one of the IMAX uses of like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► but basically it's looking unlikely that Apple is going to have a compelling reason to update the current line of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► That doesn't mean they can't launch a new like if they wanted to do a Retina MacBook Air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► or any you know any new size of a laptop they could just ship it with the existing C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► Family it wouldn't be that big of a deal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► I don't know about that because I thought I would always assume the retina would be waiting for Broadwell just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► power concerns because the extra power needed by the screen is Broadwell a die shrink or processor and I think it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► but I'm not sure yet as is forking enemy isn't it so that does matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► Yeah so like I would imagine that Apple's roadmap was based on the assumption that they would have Broadwell in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► for a midyear you know Retina MacBook Air but with the price drop and the revisions before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► and see where you said they could go both ways could be like well you would want to keep those in the lineup because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► there are still good computers but like they revise them. Did you see the Macworld speed that's on them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► They're actually slower than the models they replaced and a couple of measures that would refuse the deed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► There was a thing that came out the first said oh my god yes these are actually slower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► and then a couple days later it came out that oh well actually there's always been variants in which as a manufacturer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► you get when you buy your MacBook Air there's always been variances in them and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► and there's the current variances are nothing new and I could be sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► but you would think that Macworld would get them out of the fastens but I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► but anyway the point is they're not the revisions of the existing models are not like oh these are so much faster than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1794">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► You know it's just it's a price drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► and performance is the same maybe a little bit better maybe a little worse depending on what your previous one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► Screens not a big change there I think so it's it's like that they're being pushed down market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► and kept on life support to make room for something and I can't decide whether doing that before Wu C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► Means they're making room for announcement of it as they are doing before the very thing means this is NOT AND WE DON'T [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY so we won't say anything at all dub it everything your result wait pro-style for us to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► out with the real replacement machines. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► I'm guessing it's the latter just because you know we know we know that Intel having his issues with the new generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► of C.P. Is so we know that this current generation of MacBook Air is has to last longer than expected. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► I would still be excited for Apple to announce the machine show it and say it's not shipping until I got Tobar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► and knocked over have a slip to December like I would because they want to see what the new machine looks like even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► I can't have it until the end of the year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► So basically exactly what they did with the MacPro last year here are exactly the you know it's like not that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► but by pushing the existing ones down it's like now the air feels like kind of a loser machine like we know there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► replacement coming in it's not here yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► So that they have been waiting years like macro people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► but still I mean we're going to any other hardware we think might be announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► but we all agree probably no phones because they're in September these days. The i Pads have just been updated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► If they're not going to show retina air do they have any hardware to announce that they're going to be easy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► Well there's always room for a new category. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► I was just thinking that and just put it in the shout outs to talk about we may do the wearable thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► I want so badly to have a clever idea as to what that would be but I cannot come up with anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1910">TS</a>]
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00:33:10 ◼ ► Thank you very much major bucks once again for sponsoring our show so what about Apple T.V. It doesn't have a D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► Either software or hardware I think the hardware is kind of like the i Pod touch hardware at this point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► Apple updates but as in no real hurry like what their single core a five in the crowd here right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► We had a strong version in a certain point it becomes like U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► One point oh it's more expensive to put on the computer than to point out everything to point out chips I mean is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► different because only Apple's making five but still at this point you can like Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► and must have worked through their their inventory of a five of the bunk or no these are now custom chips member [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► and I think it was an interactive the tear down where like as of like a year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► and a half ago they're actually making custom chips that right now are only in the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► They only have one quarter Big Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► It's not flow per se but it's certainly not a speed demon and the interface is clunky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► and no one's really talking about an Apple television set anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► We're just assuming they're going to update the pocket but we all think the park software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► and experiencing to be updated I think part of that updated experience if they ever bring it would have to be a faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► and Maybe some more memory to support what we hope is a better uy than just a massive grid of rounded rectangles that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► you navigate between that appear randomly enter things so there are an awful lot of sessions on the schedule that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► like to be announced and those all can't be like oh he's been a Rexx code or alike. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► There's got to be something I showed on account that he went to the count of how many are likely to be announced this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► Well I'm I remember last year there were a lot that were to be announced that weren't about any kind of like special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► secret thing like basically what they what they tend to do is anything that that includes energy in its name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► or description than the name of any unreleased thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► or unannounced thing does not get put in the app until he no day until after that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► and so it's like you know it might even be like a title like a session might be you know one of those could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► announced titles now and it might be like what's new in networking and I was eight you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► and that's just because I was eight has been announced yet so they mark it as secret so you can't really tell by by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► that I suppose but like I was trying to look at the categories because the Germans do have categories applied to them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► You can see ones they have tools like like you look at a day in the time in the factories to have tools like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► and like the columns like media like in a prominent slot over they have to do of a media like some new A.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► Foundation stuff and I hope not. And I'm trying to figure out that if if they did a big Apple T.V. or Vision say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2151">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► Allowing apps of some kind or making a Ford [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► or something like that they are there enough slots in prominent positions to do that I don't know I mean the apple I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► didn't but the i Pod touch down here to this God knows when they update that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► but I would like to see your vision of the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► Even as it is to a hardware bump and like a reasonable software evasion like given out for the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► Set you've given up and I'm fixing T.V. Because you know all the rumors are that any T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► Stuff they have is not this year probably I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► Again I'm trying to think about so what hardware do we get in no hardware and here is the announcement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► Which way do you think will be updated First the i Pod Classic the i Pod Touch or the MacMini. I'm going to go with Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► Many there I think I think the i Pod Touch as a tough race though they're both they're both pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► and a guy's not going to have a classic I'll tell you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► but I don't think they'll change that until they can get the parts anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► Discontinuing it would count as an update in that case maybe I really am having a hard time thing of her I guess. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► Someone put a random act of prose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► and those are the one due for an update that they could be able to what would you do to them besides reducing the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► and maybe offering more RAM or bigger faster S.S.D. Is like Broadwell's not ready you're not going to change a C.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► and that's why I don't think we're going to see any new Macs unless they are a new form factor using the old C.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► Is because there's just there's nothing new to put in them Apple does not do major updates to products without a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► Intel chipset to put in them they just don't they you know they'll do minor stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► and don't even bother with an announcement or they'll do a whole new line that doesn't need a new C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► That they can use and it was already available in a new way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► but they're not going to release like you know because you're right you know what they do it's like like I know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► OK announce a new mac pro already because there's no New Zealand yet and you can always tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► when the grants new macros will usually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2278">TS</a>]
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00:38:06 ◼ ► aren't well when one of the New Zealand's coming out that are that are the series that the macro uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► and as soon as there's news Iams within a month or two there's a new purpose. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► Same thing with a laptop you can see Intel's roadmap and Intel releases new C.P.U.'s about every year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► and so therefore I suspect it's pretty pretty it's pretty it's a pretty safe bet that all new mac watchers are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► be delayed until the winter or the spring is the perfect time for them to read the i Pod Touch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► Because because like it's so far behind that easy to like you put a six in it you know I'm not as good as Paul put in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► seven and who cares like this but it's still it's still a five yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► Oh my God I think it is a game keep track it's all they don't even remember how old is it has a tall screen rightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► their phone five probably isn't a section it I don't know someone someone look at it super slow compared to the i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2334">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► five S. Will tell you that the chat rooms as a five still. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► Oh that's terrible and another thing they're going to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► but like it's the one product that they have that they could easily provide an update to if they cared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► but they don't so whatever and they hardly sell any of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► Yeah so and as I'm saying it's not going to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► but you know they were desperate for some hardware that would be give me your own you're keeping the entire line afloat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► you're the only one by now. Lots of children. I just bought another one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► I couldn't believe I did this because like you know against my religion to buy an Apple device that's old like I bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► I volunteer my sign because you want to run for his birthday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► and so now he's got one he's like the worst time to have this thing but kids like them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► My daughter's up so that she doesn't have one now she wants one so I'm trying to resist buying a second one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► or third one I don't know how do you go i Pod touch in the south. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► Just getting a new i Phone this fall and give her your current one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► Doug and I will see about that will say within the i Phone looks like it's a big giant five point five inch thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► and it's going to look like an i Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► If you look like it's going to look like an i Pad Mini and if the rumors are to be believed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► Maybe the big one does you know maybe the i Phone Air or the the big five point five inch one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► All right the hardware with Seems like we don't know what the heck is going on here with hardware we can none of us can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► think of anything that we think is a slam dunk for our board to see if they're going to do another MacBook Air I bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► they will do it here like if they're going to do a twelve something this would be the time to do it because they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► no other good existing product updates. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► But really I think the the most obvious answer is if they're going to announce any hardware at all which is not a given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► but if they're going out any hardware at all it's probably going to be some new category [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► but you know something like watch sensor ear bud pinky ring whatever you know some kind of new thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► Because this is a really good time to do that. If they're if they're not and it could even just be Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► You know ten point or whatever where Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► Is now a full fledged platform that you can write apps for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► or something like that you know that could be the big thing this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► and some of those sessions I don't know anything about that have to do with media. Could be Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► I haven't been following the rumors that closely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► but didn't have the consensus been that Apple wearable you know center support and stuff will come and I was six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► but Apple supporting hardware would only come later in the year I haven't been keeping up human aid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► but yeah I mean I think it's tough I mean it wouldn't be unprecedented for them to have to not mention anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► and then announce new hardware in the fall that has some new feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► and then like spring on developers with like a Point One of the or the very last bit S.T.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► or Something like that that they have done that before in fact they did it with the M seven seven chip in the F one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► five S. They did that the whole thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► But something that actually like a big a big deal like a new sensor a whole new sensor type. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2514">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► and if they're going to show up help book you know maybe they might preannounce something involving that because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► kind of you know a health book as you know right now with the sensors that we that we know about now is pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► spot on or plus plus but if you if we're going to do new sensors and they're going to rival so I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► I'm I'm guessing that we see some new category be announced at the B.B.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► and I don't know what that category will be whether it's Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► Major update that's now developable or whether it's you know over a span watch thing who knows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► I bet it's going to be something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► or something something that we have not been able to develop for use before that we can now develop for use I suppose. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► Do you think it's about time for the Apple T.V. To get a visual refresh the software not the hardware. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► Yes I was talking about stopping a stupid grid around rectangles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► and start having you know a richer interface unthinking it's so dark now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► when I was seven is so bright I almost wonder if just making it brighter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► and more i OS seven like would be an improvement and additionally isn't running not a fork but kind of a fork of I.I.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► Isn't in the right so yeah it definitely does not. It looks dated. No question of looks dated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► I don't think the interface is scaling very well like as they keep adding more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► and more of these channels in the rounded oval keeps getting you know the list of those keep getting longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► It definitely is not scaling Well I mean if you just look at like look at a Roku and Amazon's T.V. Fire T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► Like what they want competition is currently doing and Apple is still pretty far behind. Although as a plasma T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► Owner I hope Apple does not go the I O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2623">TS</a>]
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00:46:50 ◼ ► Anyway anything else on wearables. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► Yeah we have in the shadows for a while we like to Craig Hockenberry thing about Apple wearables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► and I've been thinking about it as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► and might my thinking unwearable has changed over time over time of Apple doing nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► and the more I think about wearables them I keep seeing every good thing in their head like something that goes around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► your wrist that has this amazing pewters looking looking screen on it that does something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► or that you interact with by swiping or not and I like this just like you see these mock ups they look really cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► but it's like well then how would you use it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► And everything we're seeing from actual rumors from Apple or like the help book stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► and that's all about having an application on your phone that integrates information from other sensors so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► when I think of Apple wearables now I keep thinking of things that either don't have screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► or have things that are like barely screens I mean like the Fitbit have their various little displays with the ladies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► and stuff because screens are a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► Like you can't have a screen on all the reasons and things like that don't have big L.C.D. Screens. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2873">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► You can have a screen all the time the battery will run out if you don't have your phone screen on all the time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► just take it out you look at the screen you put it away turn the screen off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► but the screens on all the time it can't really function as a watch because you go to you know think of all the smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► watches that make a good little jiggle shake to turn on a tap or to turn on or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► and I think one of the apple want out of this they want more sensors and more information integrate it into your phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► Does that require a screen that's always on our screen at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► Not that I'm saying Apple wearable won't have a screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► but I think there is a there's a place in our current conception with within known information of what Apple's trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► to do with you know sensors and integration for things you attach to your person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► or clothing somewhere that doesn't need to have a screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► and it could be that they also have a device that has a screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► but everything I'm seeing out of Apple makes me think some little Terry thing that will look nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► but doesn't doesn't need to have screens I mean it's a ring like Hockenberry thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► but I think that's so fantasy I can imagine and point out awful though. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► Feel free to prove me wrong apple doesn't mean it couldn't be around your wrist maybe you could maybe get have a maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► they have some breakthrough screen technology that can be all the time I may begin to use color. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► You know that all sorts of crazy things you can come up with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► And certainly a lot of the rumors from years ago are like Apple's investigating curve flexible screen technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► or things that are go on your wrist and you can still touch them stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► but I just want to throw that out there that what the vibe I have been getting from the information available is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► and Apple's a grand conception of health monitoring it helps because they are like that for something that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► necessarily have to have something that we recognize is the I completely agree I think if Apple does do some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► wearable thing I am pretty convinced it will not have a screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► and additionally I think it will have some sort of sensor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/2995">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► Almost certainly health related that the i Phone either can't or doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► or perhaps won't have I don't know what that would be like pulse would be a great example if you could do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► but I can't imagine how that would work unless you could you know grab whatever Leyton electricity you have in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► but I see it personally I see is what the whatever they're wearable is as a mechanism to sell more phones because hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► look at all this wonderful health or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► or perhaps other kind of data you can get into the phone if you have the Apple I ring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► and I'm not sure it's going to be running obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► but just for the sake of conversation so I agree with you John I pretty convinced it was out of a screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► and will be all about sensors and sensor stuff like I don't know a lot about medical centers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► but like talking about being able to track Oku bells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► and don't the things you some kind of light they shine through your fingertips and stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► and see how to read things I know I have no idea how these things work but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► when I think of stuff like that I think of like all the i Phone Sex could have you know the Touch I.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► Sensor someplace that you put your hand but you don't know when it clipped your fingertip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► when you go through the day and you can clip something to your you know the end of your shirt or your bra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► and have that measuring your O two levels like I don't I don't even understand which parts of the body you need to clip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► things to to get this information or if it's going to be like a once or twice a day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► Put your finger on the special spot on your i Phone six type things so you know Apple has been hiring these people for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► visualizations of medical information. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► Remember those hires back then of like like there's so much smoke there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► and just don't understand what the what form the fire's going to take. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► Maybe you're right maybe it is the home button because that's something like If you think about all the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► places you can have a wearable you have like you know wrist bands but that could be on the outside of a shirt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► Now you've got a long sleeve shirt there if they could be on the outside of it you know maybe not always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► but it might be you can't really count on that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► You know rings I think you're right I think we're probably not there tied to the yet to be able to fit everything in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► something as small as a ring. Yeah but but the home button. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3116">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► You're always pushing with your finger throughout the day and so that actually makes a lot of sense. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► The wrist thing for even stuff like Pulse you would never want to risk thing that was tight enough on your wrist to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► measure your pulse like people don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► and that you know I mean it's like it's not like you'd be in a blood pressure cuff all day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► but it's like even just to take a bare poles I feel like you have to have something that is fairly uncomfortable as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► there's a reason that people don't walk around with the sensors on them all day like you were going to the doctor's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► office and hoping that you and you want to get them off you know so I mean I don't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► and the thing about wearables like we're so much focus to help give us a little nugget of information that we have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► a vague screenshot rumor site type things of health book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► and it's like well what good what good growth overall good health but how is it any different in Phnom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► or plus plus unless you have some other information and if you know where that information coming from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► and that's what we're going to like that well that's a third party opportunity Apple basically make the A.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► Eyes and Fitbit and whoever can make new devices that will feed into this A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► and The like than where is Apple now where is the apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► Where is the new category as the question we continue asking and I guess I will give this year end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► and there's nothing that you can wear from Apple and they haven't done anything to Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► Like you know something's wrong because you know him said Man new category. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► I think you're right also that you know going back a step you know with the whole screen no screen thing like whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► and I'll keep saying it every episode I would never bet against the smartphone at least not for a long time in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► current era that we are in the smartphone is king. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► and it is so unwise to bet against them as attention to that if you're thinking about having something that you're also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► It makes so much more sense for it to be a smartphone accessory then its own standalone thing of some sort. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3232">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► And the smartphone has all the power it has all the connectivity it has way more battery power than you can fit in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► quote wearable the wearable is a backpack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► and so it is unwise to try to cram a whole bunch of power sucking stuff into wearable including the screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► Yeah you could do it so it only takes power to change the kind of the screen you could do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► but it looks like crap and I can't see Apple doing that you can't touch that like they know you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► but it just takes takes more power it wouldn't respond to your touch in real time like with all the right touches like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► that you feel you can directly manipulate something and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► and all the mock ups are like some big curved glass screen looks like you're wearing like the bracelet equivalent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► Right all right I have let me just make something that's like Saw Glasper I wrestle I can bang there is a table of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► shards of glass drive anyway you know that's what I meant. But what would you do with that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► Can you imagine trying to swipe a smooth like you have a time yet and rotating it around your wrist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► and where you very wary I'm swiping Anyway you swiping longitudinally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► or like across it in like how could you use an interface like if you tried to use any of the recent i Pod Nano is where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► they have touch screens and a tiny little space is not much that you can do reasonably with a screen that size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► and if you look at smart watches that exist today that from other people in order to have any kind of interactivity on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► a smart watch it has to be pretty big and bulky and that's not cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► It's not sexy it is not appealing it is it is a wearable certainly but it's a wearable that nobody wants to wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► and you know if Apple like and these things that are catching on big time things like fuel band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► and fit that's they're smaller they're subtle you don't have to like take them out constantly you can leave them tucked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► tucked under your sleeve or clip here or in your pants pocket or something. You can leave them hidden away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► Do you like wearing electronics is is just not cool. Well they start looking like this I guess this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3354">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► Start with Lance Armstrong may have breast cancer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► and I got all the things that people would wear as showing their support for some cause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► or you know what like those little colored like the Fuel Band looks so much like the Whenever you know Lance Armstrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► bracelet things or the Breast Cancer Awareness pink things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► and we've just sort of accepted that you have a regular outfit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► and then will be the other thing that you wear that doesn't call attention to itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► and you don't spend much time interacting with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► and those were totally nonfunctional they were just pieces of rubber that that word stamped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► and them they increased awareness John. Yeah right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► And now now we have one that has stuff inside the end of the day you get to count my steps or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► and you know I just get someone here with a medical sensing expert to say that they could probably tell us exactly look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► if you want you know Paul this is the only place you can get it now if you want you know blood oxygenation is the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► and this is how to give you the answers are all out there we just don't happen to know them right so let's talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► oh S. Ten ten point ten low as a Ferrari or Ferrari. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► Yeah I feel like Super Troopers with the meow game anyway so I think we can round up the our show with which I was able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► let's start with a less and got a Marty something. I was ten ten ten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► What do you expect to me I expect some sort of this will refresh. I said I don't think it'll be full bore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► but I think it'll be somewhere in that direction I think is going to is going to have another name the police haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► heard of that I could be pluralized. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► I don't think it'll be awfully pluralized but I do think that it will have maybe will end with like a dear I N G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► I'm going to go on record and say it will be a place that we recognize even is reeling even as non Californians [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► and in a place where we aren't on vacation all the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► As much as I was rooting for the cat names to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► and now that they have I realize that with their new theme it's basically impossible to try to guess you know to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3472">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► Big cats and they started to work their way through them so it became a fun game to guess what the next one will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► but there's a lot of cities in California so forget about that a lot of places a gallop morning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► And yeah there are the prominent ones we can all think of you know your seventy's Emre just go whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► But like considering they started with Mavericks seems like they're going obscure I agree the other thing this is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► minor but I really really want and I believe this is a combination of I was eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► and I was ten I really want to airdrop between my devices and my computer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► We have the police you know I'm still you know in pictures to myself because it's faster than everything else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► It's so so ridiculous. I still you know so much crap to myself. It's really embarrassing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► Yeah I'd really like that and I'd like a male app that works properly although I like airmail quite a bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► But I'd like a like the standard out of the box mail I have to work again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► and I think in about ten ten besides a visual refresh which I think is enough you know that why we sleep be like be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► headliner feature of this release it's like now we have finally have time to revise things look all either love it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► or complain about it or depending what they do but that's not I mean that's a big change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► and it could affect applications in profound ways. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► But in terms of like the underpinnings that's not like I don't think you're doing anything out of things to enable this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► or anything so that like what is this one is always about is it just a visual refresh what features you know what needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► to be done to the chorus and what could be done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► Will they continue to just I mean I'm sure they make things better in little little bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► but like last year the big theme was power saving and I have lots of technology to support that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► This year the big theme will be visual refresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► but that was not technology to support that really I mean obviously new file system is Evergreen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► and they can bring that out any time they want but I have no expectations. Everything else about the O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► Like you can point to individual parts of us that can be tightened up and made better but Mavericks will. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3593">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► The exception of the application because well if you use Apple Mail you know I feel sorry for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► but if you have even before that I've been a fan for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► but that makes you like Mavericks was a terrible release but in terms of the core O.-S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► Very very few problems are mavericks everywhere really early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► and they just have not been a lot of weird things not even like weird application compatibility things that were only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► on point three we went ten one two and three since last year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► Yeah I would say overall with the section of my clock always being fast which I think ten nine three might have fixed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► It's really solid I mean I know I've always wondered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► when I'd always I wondered recently if it will ever be worth it for them to modernize app kit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► and maybe not replace it with you I keep a bring a lot of the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► Kit lessons back into advocate because right now if you want to write the app for i OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► and MAC there's very little GUI code you can share because abc it just works very very differently than you I get it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► and I don't know enough about it to really talk that much more about it besides this very high level overview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► but I've often wished like you know I don't how to develop for four for I was pretty well now I know you I clearly Well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► I don't know anything about app kit I just know it's very different there's a lot of things that don't work the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► way and aren't as nice or aren't a simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► and so it would be I would love it if they would bring a lot of you like it in the parts that make sense. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► Obviously certain things are going to make sense outside of like the full screen touch environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► but bring over the parts that make sense with things like how views are dealt with you know all layer back stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► you can do all that in but it's you know oftentimes it's like it's not the default or it's hard or it's different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► If they would bring some of that development framework and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► when you're doing a major visual refresh that would be a pretty good time to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► I think that would go a long way and for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► Certainly I think it is very unrealistic because it just seems like they're stretched so thin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► and the mac is not that high of a priority that would justify all those development resources if they're also having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► work on. I was eight i Pad version of it which is still terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► Plus whatever you know whatever else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► and your resources are being developed devoted to for things like new categories whether it's Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► or Something you know we we know from from hints and bits and pieces here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► and there we know that a lot of people at Apple are working on something secret that is relatively new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► but we still don't know what that is so is there something else draining engineering resources that apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► Yeah I hate that phenomenon like that as far as we can tell from the outside the happened five Apple something big new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► and that team like you know harvest the best engineers from other teams leaving them sort of with I guess the lesser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► people or the people who didn't want to move and those people go off and disappear for a while Mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► and some new thing it's like that's fun and it makes for good articles after the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► but it's kind of like one of I like the product those guys used to be working on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► Now they're just going to get fewer resources. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► But I mean I think I think you're right about like the main thing preventing like the reason we don't have parity like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► Microsoft only I was recently like how you can write a GUI app and you can write it in Windows eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► and you can run on tablets and run on phones and it's like the same app with you know minor changes or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► and things mostly just because the Mac's not a bigger platform to paradise I was like that's always that's always going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► to be the thing when you're trying to prioritize resources well how many i Phones that we saw last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► and how many Mac like. And then they are modernising up yet like make a new table system doesn't use an S.S.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► A couple years back it's not the same as like so here you go here you I get on the Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► But the worst warts get get covered over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► but like it's just the people who are left there working on apt get who are who are doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► and they don't have resources. I was a team is obviously much bigger. I mean you're right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3835">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► As part of it or refresh it a visual refresh includes like as much it looks like Iowa seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► or the visual refresh relies more on layer back and told maybe it's time to revise a few more A.P.R.'s here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► I'm having trouble thinking of KORUS feature is unless you think of something I mean not that I think it doesn't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► them. I'm trying to think of peaches that that Apple put the resources towards like the kernel in the core O.-S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► Like they could do lots of interesting things there. But what's the motivation for that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► Right I guess the motivation would be we want to do this because it will benefit you know the chorus of benefits I owe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► and know us tens of they change the kernel you know the macro does reap the benefit as you know as a side effect of doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► that but really kernel stuff and core of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► and shared frameworks you know things like you know from from his a coronation lead on to newer stuff like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► Grand Central Dispatch an auto layout like all these like these major advances that come to both platforms to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► lower level that you know that will keep that will continue. You know that will be fine but it's the high level U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3896">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► Stuff that is so radically different between the two platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► and I was as you know to some degree it should be because they're two different interaction paradigms. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► But there's a lot of stuff that could be shared that isn't only because of legacy concerns it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► but I think you're right I think the idea will never be worth it to Apple to invest their engineering resources which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► are very limited and strained which I think is a big problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► But to invest their limited train engineer resources into this platform that is such a small part of their business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► these days which is I think the shame I think that's wrong. I think that that's better parodies ation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► But that's probably going to do is we see that as much as we want Apple to have more resources for whatever reason they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► and they seem to have a very small pool of engineering ability that they selectively choose you know that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3951">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► Why that's why some of the applications that people were talking about how long it's been since average has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► updated and looks so on average are as always been dysfunctional in this in this regard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► But like it just seems like you know things that are not the new hotness at Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► Just get ignored for years with nothing being done to them for years because there's there's nobody working on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► or there's like one person responsible for maintaining it while the rest of the team is sent off to do something newer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► and more you know more exciting that you know that that's some new product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► or that's going to get them in the news again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► and it's a shame because there's a lot of Apple stuff that really could use some attention and some love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► and you like like what happened with I work having gone so long with no update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► and then what feels like a pretty rushed up date that happened you know last fall that kind of mess everything up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► This happens all over cause Apple's entire product line both hardware and software especially in software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► and you can just tell it there's so much stuff and software where it just seems like no one's working on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4015">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► and it's probably the case with Apple's team they're kept pretty small you know on the file system from the only hope I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► have file systems that is the type of thing I mean they could have been working on it for years without me hearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► but a file system is something I don't think you can develop between two major releases like it's a multi-year project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► you have to be super careful you have to maintain all your semantics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► and presently you're adding value to the new features to deal with as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► And yes Apple definitely needs a new file system but they don't see it working on it. As far as I'm aware. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► But they do have core storage and as I point out in the past I stand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► or use a lot of the things that core storage already does on Macs today are very similar to the things that a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► and so it's possible that what they've done for core storage can slowly continue to evolve its way towards a system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► whereby the disk appears to be a vast plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► but most of the actual management of blocks on disk like like it ends up being core storage with a thin veneer of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4071">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► Which is kind I mean if you've used core storage now that's not the way I don't know I don't I don't know they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► manage a layer in between those things because I said course or to keep track of where things are in disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► and manages block and does all these interesting things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► and this is actually the one of the more interesting modern file system type things that Apple has done in recent years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► to enable things like the new file vault which is so much better than the old one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► but you know this device was still sitting there still having crappy features still corrupting itself you know still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► being in its own crate still being single thread and still doing its own cranky self and so responses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► and I was there I says to him I was talking about this in the context of a Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► But you know your i Phones are running each of us as well I think they actually just restore your phone could all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► apps they run the case sensitive version of it I forget if they still do that or if they ever did that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► But anyway a new file system or a lack of a file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► or liking native core storage against NAND are something that will benefit I was devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► and so I think that's got to happen eventually because that's Apple's bread and butter right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► It's not like oh this is the mac thing it's never going to happen. No it's an entire Apple platform thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► and you know this performance to be had there are features to be added in this reliability to be improved every axis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► along you know Apple can improve in this regard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► and none of them I guess I didn't think any Democrat Well it could be more reliable that reliable enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► Well it could have better performance but the performance is good enough you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► Well we could have more features for the features we have are good enough they can keep saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► but eventually it's going to not be true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► and I hope they don't you know this is not like a new language thing where they have to start twenty years ahead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► time but this is like a three year project. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► Easy I mean we'll see what happens but there's going to have to be a time when the file system changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► and I'm a little scared that if the file system does change that you'll just quit this pod cast because you have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► reason to complain about it anymore. That seems unlikely. Yeah I know I know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► Anything else on the new Mavericks that won't be called Mavericks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► I'm really curious to see what they do with that I mean like you know besides initial or refreshed O S ten is it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► It's it's pretty mature at this point you know that the releases less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► and less generally over time at home there are so many to ask to verify that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► but it just it seems like obviously like it's a mature product. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► and smaller releases especially by speeding up to releases happening every year as opposed to before it was like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► eighteen to twenty four months. Well they still they still keep doing this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► That's the thing that with the early releases they still keep doing stuff to the internals that I think I would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► want to risk any yearly release. Like if you look at. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► That's why I'm so surprised Mavericks is on the wall if you look at they did with the power saving stuff in the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► A.P.I. It's like they're always monkeying with like you know even if it's just like screwing with launch D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► Again or like you know they're adding minor features and doing minor tweaks and minor improvements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► but there are two parts of the system that if you screw up in any way nothing works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► and so even though they're not big changes every year they do that they did it in Snow Leopard two I go you know no new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► but they screw with everything in there I mean it's good like getting the chorus theme does a great job of that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► you know what munchies there and it works but it could be better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► And let's add these features and tightens up and make it use less memory into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► and it's like those features are all down to the kernel if you mess up even the little bit of that destroys the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► stability and reliability of entire O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► and Mavericks I think they did a good job they didn't do they screw up the applications like mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► but that's like I think end users are more concerned about that like they're like oh maverick sucks because my mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► broke and I understand that perspective but from my perspective I think of the O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► and they continue to bravely make changes to the chorus on a yearly schedule in areas that are super risky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► and managed to not screw it up you know it's true. Yeah I was actually surprised like with all the Mavericks car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4314">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► Changes like changing kernel timings of things like that sounds like a pretty risky thing to do but they did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► and it seemed like it was flawless I mean it seemed like it caused no noticeable problems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► It was it was really quite solid or even even your bad clock I disagree with N T P D like a screw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► or whatever like that's the type of thing where like why did they change it was broken before both know that someone so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► they could do it they got a lot of it in terms of energy saving you know that let's do it so we can you know if we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► doing things repeatedly we had they had all these new instrumentation to see what who's waking up the C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► and Stocking like this dividends waking up the C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► and Like so they change and that's an example of where they screwed it up and you know it had bugs in it or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► but everything's up for grabs every If you run P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► Until it does in processes those are all things that they can improve them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► One of the good ones I haven't seen the stupid blurry icon bug that has been haunting or stand for years and years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► Do you guys get this one. Were all the sudden your doc I cancelled look like they're half or as M.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► All pixilated and zoomed up I've never seen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► I would occasionally get that with just what I'd want to happen be half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► or as an annex I might launch it up it may be correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► Yeah sometimes but it would spread like a virus like you know open a window and did all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► but some of them are messed up and some of them the good that bug was in the O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► For so long and from people I talk to about the Lego Mavericks will actually fix that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► Fingers crossed and upgrade to marriage I have not seen that bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► and so that makes me happy because someone you know the icon services thing you know it's like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► when they update the font demon tons of processes there and they keep improving them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► and I like that I just get a little bit nervous about it on a yearly schedule. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► One thing that struck me as a little weird is we haven't heard very much chatter about O.S.'s ten ten ten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► There's been a lot of talk about health book about all the other things that may be coming in I O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► and I know that that's that I was the darling of everyone's i hate the moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► but there's been very little talk that I've heard about ten ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► and that's that's a little scary if there's not much happening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4435">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► What kind of awesome if they really finally did double down on secrecy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► and I will say all the things you listed would be visual refresh is going to be big That's whatever you going to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► Right you I could come into the mac would be big that would be a headliner feature Hey all you IOS developers now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► suddenly you have an easy way to make a mac Apple we one encourage you to do that because you know the halo effect to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► New file system core storage stuff will be big among there it's like there is plenty of areas they could put on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► that they could put those bullet points in the website never me like wow my ghost towns also Leto's great California I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► So to that end before we start I would say talk while you guys are going back and forth for a few minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► and John you are making a couple of really brilliant points before I had the chance to make them in so I could've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► sounded brilliant. Damnit I was looking at the schedule for W.D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► and I was digging through it and looking at the amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► or the categories that each of these sessions are a part of because if you look at the schedule even the ones that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► to be announced they stop the category listed so I looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► and buy quick counters I'm still trying to pay attention what you guys are saying there are thirty five frameworks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► sessions seven hundred media session in nineteen twenty all sessions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► Additionally I thought well let me look at what's in Presidio which if you don't know is the biggest room within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► and so really important things that are going to be really really popular for everyone to hear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► Tend to be impresario for example the keynote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► So I recounted and among the things that are not yet announced so the things that are still to be announced. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► There are six frameworks sessions and pursued E.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► and Eight media sessions in Presidio and I didn't look at tools crap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4553">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► But now I think there are there are eight toll sessions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► and percent you know I did not look to see if any of them were to be announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► but that's actually it looks like at least half of them are to be announced most almost all of them all the tolls ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► that's a lot of tools and a lot of media and a lot of framework stuff all to be announced norm Presidio. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► And it makes me wonder is something big going on that we just don't realize more than just a visual refresh. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► One of the media category look at the announced in the media getting what the hell's the media category. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► but we could we could look at last years where there's going to be an out there we know over the last year because a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► or something similarly repeated you know every year are going to be stuff about you I network gain accessibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► working with media working with Safari and web technologies like the others. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► There are certain sections that just get repeated every year and so we can kind of look at that to maybe eliminate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► and stuff but I don't. It certainly does sound like media is is being emphasized here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► Oh hold on hold on I got that backwards I'm sorry there are eight to twelve sessions that are unannounced in pursuit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► you know I got my wires a little crossed so there are definitely some media ones as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► but I was told that I should have said instead of media I apologize. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► So there are six frameworks and six new framework sessions in Presidio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► and I believe there are eight new media sessions in Presidio something on those lines so it won't matter how you cut. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► Darn it I said media again tools. SESSIONS look at this right one day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► So now that I've just completely confused everyone including myself Suffice to say there's a lot of tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► and a lot of frameworks actually going on and to me that's indicative of something major and something big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► and something we're not thinking of the mills can be like Marcus that every one of the descriptions find out how to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► and oh it's ten Irvine right like I wouldn't I wouldn't read too much into into anything regarding the sessions at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► conference because it is so arbitrary The categories are so large that it isn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4674">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► It isn't like the categories like Open G.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► It isn't that specific it's you know media technologies or something or you know there's they're so broad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► and we're not dealing with a massive data set here we're dealing with how many sessions are there like sixty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► or something like one hundred. There aren't that many. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► It isn't that big of a set and just there's not that much signal to the noise here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► when you do a visual refresh like that with Iowa seven Think of all the sessions that were about like how to make your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► and Iowa seven like it was you know how to get how to get your views out from under the Status Bar Casey you can go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► a session and how to do the ten color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► and all it like there was tons of sessions because it's like it's from the outside you know it's like oh I'm doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► but from a developer it's like oh how am I going to you know if I have custom controls are going to make them look nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► Is there a new way to do these controlled how do I deal with text size changing like any kind of visual refresh has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► tons of sessions for the nitty gritty of like developers to figure out how to make their apps look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► and work right so important getting a big visual refresh. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► I would wager that well I don't know these days actually I was going to say that because I was to have more custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► controls than I was maybe I don't know like it has a lot more controls total for the built in controls like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► withdrawing their own things where you know I don't know I mean some some people aren't even using native controls at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► all like a dream they're all your own you are entirely themselves of us not a big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► but like I can imagine a lot of the the ball you know we basically know that ten visual refresh is coming a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► sessions are about how to make your app look in this new look where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► and you know Apple's design principles in this new look at it isn't just going to be you know here's a new skin if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► like last year it's like I will here's here's a new look but we also want you to think about this this and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► and you know it's actually like a rethinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► and a redesign rather than just a rescan all of those fill that baffling session from my. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4795">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► Here I was having introduced the whole session about how to make your icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► and all the example icons like super skeuomorphic like things look like they're made of yarn with grass growing on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► Yeah it was weird they actually even said at the beginning like keep making your icons the old way don't don't use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► new style that we're using this really weird. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► I remembered that I was in there I remember thinking that was a very strange thing to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► and as I think it might be I can factory greatest putting up like samples of the exco Palike you know experimentations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► and you know speculative sort of experimentations of how might the exco Python look like in a flatter O.-S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► Ten world and I did two little samples and they looked really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► but what what is the message going to be from Apple if they're going to be our although I stand I can begin to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► redesigned to be Iowa seven file or whatever the new look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► but then they're going to tell us to make our icons now I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► Anyway visual changes cause lots of churn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► and lots of things that developers have to deal with so that covers at least a lot of the O S ten side of things which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► you have dial as I thought because I was it will probably not be a visual overhaul [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4856">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► and yet I'm sure there is about I would say it right so it's coming in I would say so I really want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► and I really want in some sort of enter app communication because as I think John said last episode if you fix inner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► app communication then you don't need panes of of apps running simultaneously on the i Pad thanks so much gets fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► with better Internet communication but I don't I'm not hopeful that it's going to happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► But aren't they going to do the remote view controller stuff that's private. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► One would think they have that we don't know if they're going to do anything with I mean where I want to make it make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► it public as the usual IMO I think it's private for a while then they get the kinks worked out of they make it public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► or do you still think it's going to stay private. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► Well I think it will stay an implementation detail of the system they actually make public if they do something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► this because you can't like what you do you can't launch your own process. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► You know in Iowa that you can't do that so I would love to see them fix. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4914">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► Not necessarily what a lot of people consider interact medication I mean in Europe indication is is kind of a broad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► topic. There's a lot involved there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► They can address a nice chunk of it by doing something like the windows a contractor Leander intenser rather have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► back for that or no. But they have their own. OK something like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► One of those systems where you know apps can register [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► and say I can provide photos to anything that offers a photo picker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► or somebody else can say I can I'm a search provider I can search for things or I accept photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► and then be integrated into any kind of share sheet that that comes up in other apps like that's the kind of thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► want because that doesn't require like there was some something I think I think was on Gruber site something in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► and are saying you know the problem is if you add something like the like the side by side in that was that was rumored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► last week. If you add something like that you're also adding complexity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► And if you do something like the contract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4976">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► and intense systems you're adding a lot of power without adding a whole lot of of user complexity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► and there are certainly challenges to the systems things that you have to control and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► and possible problems could come up there's a lot of like weird you know things with like fraud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► and confusion that Apple would have to look for an app review. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► But they can do that they have all the all the tools in place to do that already like they're set up for that so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► don't think that's going to be a big problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► I would just love to see them address that even if all they do is rip off what Windows Phone or Android does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► or you know take bits and pieces from both. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► That would be amazing that would be so much going on we have now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► and that would enable so many third party apps capabilities that either weren't possible before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► and rare before like you know like right now overcast I have a thing where if you tap your old you know what do you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► and I have an open Safari activity I have an open in Chrome activity only because I wrote open in Chrome activity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► You know what if it would be better if Chrome could just say I can accept your ills. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5035">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► A thing that shares your ills and I bring up the sheet and I give it a U.R.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► and It shows me a Chromebook they already have most of the pieces in place to do that already. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► That's all that's been there since I was six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► but the whole you actively system like that that it's almost all there already and the impression I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► when poking around back when I was six was released two years ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► The impression I got a hint hint from people is that that kind of system was discussed or in progress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► and was cancelled or was delayed and so obvious and you can look at the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► To be says when you can see like OK this is obviously intended for something like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► and the support for things like a few controllers like the pieces are all there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► It's just a matter of doing a little bit more to expose it as an A.P.I. and Uncertainties challenges. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► There's like you know there's there's a pretty big tools challenge and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► and code design structure challenge with like All right well if I offer a remote view controller How do you present [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5094">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► that to the user do you launch my entire appen the background and then have me bring up a certain view controller. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► How does that work you know that I was over with memory and A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► Level and backgrounding like there are certainly some things to consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► but it seems that they've already done most of the work for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► and that you know it's it is certainly a limited form of entrapment cation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► but it's a massive step forward from what we have now and it would really be very beneficial. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► Yeah I thing I was Ada kind of the mavericks of Iowa in that from a use perspective it's going to seem like Iowa seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► point five It's not going to look all that different in a lot of the new features are going to be internal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► So while Mavericks is visually distinguishable from mountain lion from users perspective it wasn't that big a deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► but there were a lot of changes on the hood and I was eight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► I would imagine the same thing refinement of look features that probably aren't in the user space but that will slowly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5153">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► Here as applications become you know I was IT savvy use the old term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► and that where you talking about having you know activity your type thing and having it with you or else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► and having some sort of system for you to configure it like oh I don't want you know probably one of the reasons I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► might have been canned is the whole idea of like on the mac applications that would say that they can handle you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► Star I handle any application so the open with you know you see without occasion for every single file like sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► spamming the thing like what can open a U.R.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► and You see a list of nine thousand applications so you need some way to manage that as well that's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► and That's the type of thing that could make you say we're not quite ready to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► and the same thing with like sandboxing do we just load your do a load like a laudable bundler framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► but run it in the sandbox of your applications so that you have access to your document container and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► but your on screen the same time as somebody else and you have the down side by side apps on the i Pad anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► They've already got to do probably two sandbox applications access to their own containers both on screen the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5216">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► which is you know not a big deal they called Windows. Back in the old world doing that anyway this place them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► But yeah it seems like Maverick Star released with a lot of new A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► For developers to adopt a couple of new things on the setting screen it's a new application you know the help book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► stuff and everything like that but you know not knocking me like I was a messenger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► and I don't think it really needs to be I mean I was seven I was seven was really a remarkable release in that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► crammed in not only a massive visual overhaul and lots of rewriting of the built in apps to accommodate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► but a lot of cool frameworks like major stuff things like text kit and all the background refresh stuff in the U.R.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► Major major changes to frameworks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:55 ◼ ► and they fit all that into what really is I mean what I would what I would like to see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5275">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► From is you know besides the in our communications approach which is a big deal you know just take all those frameworks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► they had last year just do some tweaks here and there like there's certain limitations and U.R.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► Session that I'd like to see listed but it's mostly minor stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► The framework for getting really good you know even simple things that I was complaining to have said to go last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► that's how like you the key chain A.P.I. Is ridiculous to use because it's still one of the old C. Based A.B.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► and They haven't made a nice object to see wrapper around it I think it did more of that like just a bunch of the of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► the stuff it's hard to use like the contact and the key chain stuff like that except it still uses old C. A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► Is like just wrap some of that new classes so it's easier for people to use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5320">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► I would love just a release like that just doing a bunch of small tweaks and improvements to the existing frameworks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► and then having one or two major new features and capabilities like the interaction airing things you know we'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► and then I like the idea of you know any new category or whatever is probably and have a bunch of new frameworks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5336">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► and stuff that you're not going to care about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► If you don't have any interaction with whatever the hell if you're not running Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► Apps and you don't care about whatever new things they're there if you're not going to integrate with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► So Apple wearable that you don't care about those remarks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► but those are always you know the extras they add on top sort of like the you know the controller the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► If you're not writing support a game that I was a part of our regular You're never going to like the new IP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► but hey it's new in Iowa so right so there's always that bushel of things that can be new and I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► and with health book supposedly in there that we all who to believe is coming there's got to be a bunch of new if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► guys do that but maybe you're just not going to look at them because especially of an apple wearable tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► It's going to be so long before third party wearable takes advantage of this anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► and I'm not interested in for my pocket that I was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► or that do you think that they'll be any sort of new springboard functionality like everyone keeps calling for widgets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► in either notification center spring board I'm ex. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5396">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► Streaming I'm convinced that would ever happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:01 ◼ ► but is there anything that you can think of that would make springboard better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5401">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► Yeah how have the little icons not slide. Someone tweeted that and I thought it was a reasonably good idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► Have you be able to delete icons that all the old ones arranging themselves I mean just trying to deal with to deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► with the rearranging icons on the device is just talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► or like it's a terrible game that we all do to our that like people just don't to enjoy so hard at a certain positions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► like the lower I think that the lower right corner is torture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► Want one of the really hard to get there is a little extra lower than X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:33 ◼ ► or like as you're going through pages especially on my super slow a five as I'm going like I'm holding it against the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5433">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► edge in the things or scrolling by. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► Sometimes I get the animation takes too long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► and start it will end up shoving icons off like I'm not landing on this page I'm saying go to the last page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:49 ◼ ► and I take as I can from the first page into the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5449">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► and as part of that process I will bump icons off all the intermediary pages by the time I get to the last page. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► Two new icons are there and I've shifted everything over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5457">TS</a>]
01:30:59 ◼ ► It's maddening and like it's just if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5459">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► when I moved one the other ones wouldn't slide into it's place that would help me rearrange things with a slight extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► little bit of sanity but they're never going to that. But it drives me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► Yeah there's not really a lot of springboard changes that I would really care that much about with the exception of for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► God's sake six newsstand or give that's a way to get out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► or give users a way to take cabs out of it because it is so annoying for everybody now for publishers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► and for users like I read stuff at the newsstand and it's like on the i Pad I think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► when the phone I only did on the pad but you know you have the app you exit the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:37 ◼ ► and you have to separately then exit NEWSSTAND with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5497">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► and the tap on the home button if the wait for the animations to complete their NG in a folder right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► and it's like just I read these same apps like one of the New York Times app I read that every night. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► What can I just move out of there please just let me put it on the street. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► Please so I can get rid of the stupid newsstand graphic it's so ho. Bad I mean hell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5516">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► Let it let them all PIRA newsstand fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► but also let them the outside like no one will ever go into NEWSNIGHT like of the some place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► or just let me drive them and now I need to group the moments you mention about like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► The widgets are like in Windows ponds live tiles or something like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► That of the complication that I see Apple not wanting to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:18 ◼ ► but it may be inevitable that I am in the you know the today view that they have that shows you all the collection of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5538">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► information which is kind of configurable but not really not that good but we just have a bunch of icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► and no real widgets like opening the door to that complexity is something they definitely don't want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► when everybody else else's phone has some way to sort of customize what you see on either your home screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► or on your lock screen in ways that are beyond what our broken code allows you to customize. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► I think both is wise to not do that stuff as much as everyone else says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:54 ◼ ► but I think they're far enough behind now that they couldn't make another baby step in that direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5574">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► Would freak out if remote view controllers are a thing that they that are being used for interrupting indication. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► Could that also be used for a widget like in the home screen or a notification center. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► I mean in theory yes like in theory they could use the background refresh system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► and you can color system together to guess like you know how to periodically update something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► and you know you'd be woken up every you know you it wouldn't be free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► when you would be able to like run like you know a news ticker constantly scrolling across area you know costly changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► things maybe but maybe maybe waking up every day you know twenty minutes or something to let you put an update there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► Can you even change your icon like the calendar app is that even public No that's never that's never been a LAN [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5620">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► and same thing with your default like whatever is the default paying like the thing that comes up with very rapid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► launch you can hide in a newsstand can change its icon. But but other apps can't do either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► So like you were talking about widgets and I haven't even allowed you to change your icon are you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5636">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► Your default image the launch image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► and you know Apple Apple's allowed to change it because they're allowed to have a functional calendar application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► but no one else's life tiles you can even to be a very an icon so I guess that their nation makes them more moves in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► They don't have to go whole hog like hey you could have a view that you control to get updated every And minutes that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► on the home screen size of five icons put together like the live tile thing I think that's that's too far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► but they're way back in the prehistoric era with the limitations and lust of like oh we don't want your burning C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► In some way but that you know they've come so far in terms of background refresh and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► and with you know the hardware that we have now the restrictions on you know you can change your calendar icon to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► today's date that would take too much battery that since you know that stuff should be opened up a little longer for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► while their calendar icon didn't update it wasn't so like oh it's three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► or four like it was just it would always be showing the wrong date. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► Well it'll be shown around it most days of the month. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5697">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► Yeah yeah I you know and one thing I wonder do you think they would ever and I think my answer is no. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► But do you think they would ever give the ability to set default apps to third party apps for things like your default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:11 ◼ ► mail app your default web browser which seems highly unlikely doesn't it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5711">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► I mean to have it or know is ten but you know that's that's different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► So do you think I mean that would go a long way with the U.R.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► or With the data sharing system with the contract intense thing that would go a long way towards not only enabling a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► bunch of third party apps to be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► but enabling what a lot of users want anyway like it's it's not just like oh Google wants to invade with chrome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:41 ◼ ► and maps it's like a whole bunch of people are choosing to use Chrome and Google Maps anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5741">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► and it just sucks that they don't have full system integration. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:51 ◼ ► You know if you tap a mail Lincoln something it doesn't just open her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5751">TS</a>]
01:35:53 ◼ ► or the mail is the worst one I can imagine so Apple be like well we have to keep you on safari because the web is such. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5753">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► An important thing and only we get to use the good jobs good pension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:02 ◼ ► and blah blah we don't want people changing this mailman like there are so many good interesting mail applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5762">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► and I bet mail is the application that most people are likely to use third party one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:13 ◼ ► Somebody please chrome probably not a lot but I think the G. Mail app is probably very popular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5773">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► Yeah but your rival Chrome was very popular but I think it's kind of fading now but you know it is very very popular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► No question and then you have to like I'm setting up is I was the eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:28 ◼ ► and I kid you have to set up an e-mail account in the mail app because every application that sends e-mail is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5788">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► throw you into a stupor mail Ivan if you don't have an account configured you can't use that feature of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:36 ◼ ► applications you need some sort of little Sentinel mail application to configure an Apple Mail just a supporting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5796">TS</a>]
01:36:44 ◼ ► mailing from all the other applications that you're going to use. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5804">TS</a>]
01:36:47 ◼ ► What about services and we can see any improvement there like web services. Well like i Cloud for example. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5807">TS</a>]
01:36:53 ◼ ► Oh well no I mean there is keep making things better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5813">TS</a>]
01:36:59 ◼ ► but you know i Cloud core storage in the key values are I'm sure there'll be improvements there and blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5819">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► but I don't any new i Cloud or even just it actually working. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► Well I mean they've been making steady progress in that area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:15 ◼ ► but it's like Fundamentally it's like an architecture type thing where you're not expecting an A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5835">TS</a>]
01:37:23 ◼ ► That you just want to work within the bounds of the original design. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5843">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► But if the original design precludes it ever being adding a certain level of performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:33 ◼ ► or ever having a certain level reliability you're just like well just do as well as you can with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5853">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► and that's why I mention new A.P.I. Like a new F.B.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► That does a new thing architect differently like you talk about the push A.B.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► Thing you can imagine the back end for the you know the push notification system is substantially different then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:52 ◼ ► back end for the core data and those choices those different choices they made. Influence. All the A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5872">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► Was designed and how it performs and how well it does what it's being asked to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► and so I think a new i Pod A.P.'s have the opportunity to make something much much better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► Where is the alternative thing is just just take existing guys with existing design parameters and make them better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► and move the bugs in the future and they did a lot of that with core data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► I caught stuff in Mavericks and I'm sure they're continuing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► but that's not the type of thing is going to wow someone in a session you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► So I feel like we're being even more non-committal in hand wavy than usual. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► Like last year we knew that it was going to be a visual refresh and we're pretty confident about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► And that's about all we knew but it's a lot more and I feel like we know now we know about health book. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:46 ◼ ► What else do we really know with any sort of certainty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5926">TS</a>]
01:38:50 ◼ ► Anything the scheduling is really throwing things off because we have we have these teas from starting from late last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5930">TS</a>]
01:38:57 ◼ ► but it's too vague so we don't know what it is who it is at the pick from like they you know vague wearable vague you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5937">TS</a>]
01:39:03 ◼ ► know unknown whatever that tells us nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5943">TS</a>]
01:39:07 ◼ ► and you know the game used to be like oh mac hardware Vision's Well the sea views are delayed so it's like everything's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5947">TS</a>]
01:39:12 ◼ ► up in the air you know we feel like if you had to predict what was Apple's going to do this this year I think we would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5952">TS</a>]
01:39:17 ◼ ► have we would be more confident. It's like what will they have ready in time for June. Yeah that's a really tough call. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5957">TS</a>]
01:39:26 ◼ ► You're right I mean it's there's no guarantee that they're going to have anything mindblowing ready for June. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5966">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► It could just be like here's a visual refresh for Macko S ten here is you know a less significant improvement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:37 ◼ ► and I was eight and go for it here you go here's an exception How do you the new stuff and I was ten or macro S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5977">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► Player I was a template template template [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► and there's nothing stopping them from that just being it like there might be no hardware announcements no new category [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► announcements nothing exciting at all except the new software which you know in a developer conference that is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/5993">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► That is you know technically adequate. It also is is not unprecedented they've done that before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:08 ◼ ► And then you'd be reading the tea leaves to see like they're real. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6008">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► They're really emphasizing be able to draw your appetite for insiders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► and then you can write on it with a bigger i Phone six is that for side by side on the i Pad air like you can read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► those tea leaves and then there's the hidden stuff like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► and you don't find out about until you know the september i Phone announcement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► Then they were kind and I was so and all along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► but you know like they could do that I think I think that would be sufficient for a conference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:36 ◼ ► They were revising our O.S.'s and here's a bunch of hints for new A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6036">TS</a>]
01:40:40 ◼ ► Is but it would be quite a letdown after the past couple of fun years leaving the stuff like the macro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6040">TS</a>]
01:40:46 ◼ ► or area like that I think that was an exciting announcement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6046">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► Even if you didn't have much impact on people's lives in general it adds only adds to the Keynote experience I mean as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► and as a developer using all this stuff I would actually be really happy with just software improvements because Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6056">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► has a lot of potential software improvements especially for tackling a major refresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► and I were in in ten point ten point ten they there's there's room for this like there. They could do a lot here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:14 ◼ ► I would love if they weren't distracted on all sorts of new projects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6074">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► and could focus their engineering resources on the things that that need it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► I just don't believe that's the case I believe they are working on big stuff it is pulling resources away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► everything else and it is going to be new but it might not be ready yet or maybe will all be proven wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:35 ◼ ► Honestly it's kind of fun not knowing so much ahead of time because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6095">TS</a>]
01:41:38 ◼ ► when there is a whole bunch of leaks it kind of ruins the fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6098">TS</a>]
01:41:42 ◼ ► and the anticipation of the keynote as will stand right next week well except come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6102">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► and look into the show here recording it almost a week before we're going to publish it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:50 ◼ ► So yeah you're right because all year I like there's all the good leaks that come out next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6110">TS</a>]
01:41:53 ◼ ► and we'll find out what are you most looking forward to the very end. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6113">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► On the other one of his kind of the same question rephrased the different angles. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:03 ◼ ► If you had to choose one realistic thing that you want to your wish list thing that you want to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6123">TS</a>]
01:42:09 ◼ ► and I was like you know one to be predicting that it's going to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6129">TS</a>]
01:42:13 ◼ ► but it has to be you know within the realm of possibility. What would that be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6133">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► Definitely interrupt communication and I think it's possible I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6137">TS</a>]
01:42:22 ◼ ► but I think it could be I think it could be done as they realize that if they say something about that in the keynote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6142">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► you'll be the most excited about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:29 ◼ ► I don't know if I'll be Mike Hurley Marco's XO XO talking excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:33 ◼ ► but also healthy really excited I don't know if Marco This is so you're asking what what I think is the most likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6153">TS</a>]
01:42:46 ◼ ► or what I would want the most know is like your most wished for thing but has to be realistic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6166">TS</a>]
01:42:51 ◼ ► OK to be announced at the keynote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6171">TS</a>]
01:42:53 ◼ ► It doesn't have to be that you're predicting it but like man that's possible for Apple does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6173">TS</a>]
01:42:59 ◼ ► Yeah I think going to have to go with Eric in the chat room with a thunderbolt retina display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6179">TS</a>]
01:43:04 ◼ ► but if the if if that's not realistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6184">TS</a>]
01:43:08 ◼ ► but I think it is I think they could very much do fork over the display that is definitely realistic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6188">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► I mean otherwise I would say Katie saying that our communication and if I can't do that can start to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:21 ◼ ► Kit like framework for O S ten realistic of their own where we're saying is like feasible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6201">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► Like Apple would never announce a monitor that doesn't seem like the monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► or whatever rate enough to get I think it's a thing they could make it didn't feel like a macro whatever rate enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:35 ◼ ► get enough that I'll share with macros interesting and new. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6215">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► But anyway I like that Apple could make that right now if they wanted why are they not doing because they hate us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:43 ◼ ► but you know as realistic my thing I think it's actually going to surprise me is the reason for this question is random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6223">TS</a>]
01:43:51 ◼ ► act Beaucaire a new form factor for air with a non crappy screen that you know that's also a better viewing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6231">TS</a>]
01:44:01 ◼ ► and more interesting maybe is not paper does much maybe it's just like a like a super thin thirteen inch you know thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6241">TS</a>]
01:44:08 ◼ ► that's I guess that I think they could show it. I think they probably have it all designed up and ready. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6248">TS</a>]
01:44:14 ◼ ► They just can't ship because the most people use for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6254">TS</a>]
01:44:16 ◼ ► but I wait six months for a computer I'm not going to buy anyway. Done that before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6256">TS</a>]
01:44:21 ◼ ► Yeah I like seeing new laptops introduced I was excited when the Retina MacBook Pros were introduced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6261">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► and I'll be excited again to see what the next of Lucian of the era so I'm really hoping that they show that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► I wonder do you think do you think the need for twelve inch MacBook Air is that strong because the thirteen inch Retina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:47 ◼ ► MacBook Pro is so good it's such a great all around it for so many people it is it is not that expensive it has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6287">TS</a>]
01:44:54 ◼ ► nice retina screen it is very small it is almost air sized but it's big enough still to have a nice size battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6294">TS</a>]
01:45:03 ◼ ► In there like do you think the thirteen inch retina Mefford pro reduces a lot of the need for the MacBook Air. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6303">TS</a>]
01:45:10 ◼ ► Now because I think I think they'll have to separate from each other a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6310">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► but basically what I'm looking for is the air the air internals so forget about discrete G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► Ever I don't think thirteen of them screwed anyway but like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:22 ◼ ► But it's possible they could in that size form factor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6322">TS</a>]
01:45:25 ◼ ► and I guess that maybe will be tapered as much as the album because we got a bit more battered for the rotten display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:29 ◼ ► but it should still be if you put one in one hand one of the other be clear this is not a thirteen inch Pro This is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6329">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► and it may end up pushing the thirteen inch mark maybe a thirteen suddenly start sprouting more powerful G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:42 ◼ ► Not a discrete one where is the the air is always going to have whatever the Super Bowl tried everything on one chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6342">TS</a>]
01:45:50 ◼ ► and the thirteen inch pro is going to have the OK well this isn't the super low power one it's a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6350">TS</a>]
01:45:55 ◼ ► powerful so I think there's room in the lineup for it and I'm excited to see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6355">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► Kind of board of the form factor of the pros now that they've sort of evolved to think of the final form here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:06 ◼ ► and that if you're getting thinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6366">TS</a>]
01:46:08 ◼ ► but the errors I still think there's room for something that looks a little different than the current wedge type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6368">TS</a>]
01:46:13 ◼ ► things and I'm so sick of the screens on the current airs I really want to make it my just green on their side. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6373">TS</a>]
01:46:21 ◼ ► but i Pad Pro decades were just revised like I don't even think that's within the realm of feasibility I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6381">TS</a>]
01:46:26 ◼ ► there was not in June yet this fall the probably announced new i Pads But [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6386">TS</a>]
01:46:30 ◼ ► and I don't think it's the type of thing you know because the errors are coming that you know there's going to be no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6390">TS</a>]
01:46:35 ◼ ► progress because I'm Broadwell and it could conceivably happen this calendar year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6395">TS</a>]
01:46:40 ◼ ► I Pad Pro I don't think it's outside the realm of possibilities because i Pad Air is not that old yet but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6400">TS</a>]
01:46:46 ◼ ► when I was with I was side by side to get the guitar there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6406">TS</a>]
01:46:49 ◼ ► but I would be more excited actually for to see what the new Redden era looks like hoping that it's a different shape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6409">TS</a>]
01:46:55 ◼ ► than just another increasingly thin slate type thing I don't know I don't know if it counts as realistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6415">TS</a>]
01:47:01 ◼ ► or not the thing I'm most looking forward to is is there going to be a new product category and if so what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6421">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► What the crap is it and I would love I would love for it to be something that's surprising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:13 ◼ ► and mostly I don't know if I can even conjecture what it would be that's not my most look forward to think is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6433">TS</a>]
01:47:20 ◼ ► can't pin it down to just that and Morpheus cloud of whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6440">TS</a>]
01:47:22 ◼ ► and I'm honestly I'm not interested probably in anything wearable and T.V. Thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6442">TS</a>]
01:47:28 ◼ ► I have so little faith that anything will do will be interesting to me and a revised Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6448">TS</a>]
01:47:33 ◼ ► I'm not sure maybe I would get a good box who cares whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6453">TS</a>]
01:47:37 ◼ ► but like it it's too I don't know what it is yet I can't I can't say that I'm most looking forward to it because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6457">TS</a>]
01:47:43 ◼ ► don't just want to know like how does one Apple to do something different now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6463">TS</a>]
01:47:46 ◼ ► and see what it is if it's something awesome I love it but if it's something I'm not interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6466">TS</a>]
01:47:50 ◼ ► and yet created a new thing that I'm never going to get it so whatever random question are they going to transition the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6470">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► MacBook Pros to be. Black aluminum in the style of the macro. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6478">TS</a>]
01:48:02 ◼ ► Yeah I would love because tell you what the macro is a nice looking machine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6482">TS</a>]
01:48:06 ◼ ► It is basically the color is basically a glossy version of the i Phone five the sleek color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6486">TS</a>]
01:48:13 ◼ ► and the i Phone five a sleek color is really nice too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6493">TS</a>]
01:48:15 ◼ ► and they could definitely use that as a glossy would not work on a mac because it would look terrible O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6495">TS</a>]
01:48:23 ◼ ► but glossy metal I think would show a lot more fingerprints than the old plastic mat posted so I don't see that I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6503">TS</a>]
01:48:29 ◼ ► love it if the if nothing about display matched the new MacPro in color and finish might be a little reflective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6509">TS</a>]
01:48:38 ◼ ► but if it's on the bezel and or the Buzzell as John would say than Then who offer it in black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6518">TS</a>]
01:48:43 ◼ ► but it's a hundred billion dollars extra member and they did that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6523">TS</a>]
01:48:49 ◼ ► That was around the time I bought my first MAC I don't I just I feel like you could be a really neat differentiator to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6529">TS</a>]
01:48:57 ◼ ► keep aluminum for the quote unquote consumer grade stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6537">TS</a>]
01:49:01 ◼ ► and make everything black for the professional grade stuff so black thunderbolt display a black mac pro black MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6541">TS</a>]
01:49:11 ◼ ► Pros perhaps even a black what you call the magic now so there's no magic mouse the magic touch pad trackpad thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6551">TS</a>]
01:49:19 ◼ ► which then begs the question would you have a Black Magic Mouse and they would do the sunset the Magic Mouse brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6559">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► and make me very sad. I would love them to kill that stupid mouse and make a make a decent mouse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► Now I get to I mean I'm out a mouse is you know something like that something you hold is going to have this broad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:38 ◼ ► specter of do you like to hire a mouse or a little mouse a wild mouse or skinny mouse amounts of contoured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6578">TS</a>]
01:49:43 ◼ ► or a mouse that you know and so is not going to say this is a bad mouse and I don't like a mouth is that low. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6583">TS</a>]
01:49:48 ◼ ► I don't like a mouse is that heavy unlike a mouse's that low and so if that's the only a mouse that Apple makes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6588">TS</a>]
01:49:54 ◼ ► Apple doesn't make a mouse for me. And historically not all of Apple mice have been. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6594">TS</a>]
01:50:00 ◼ ► That heavy and that low this is a new kind of design direction. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6600">TS</a>]
01:50:04 ◼ ► I'm ready to see what the next one direction is for mice but I don't think they care enough to change it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6604">TS</a>]
01:50:08 ◼ ► and saw this continued viewing of their party mouse since since the one that was a semicircle on the bottom they came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6608">TS</a>]
01:50:15 ◼ ► with like that power Max if the one hundred at the last stop mouth using the CIA use a Magic Mouse because I am a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6615">TS</a>]
01:50:22 ◼ ► really heavy user of what is it screens that they used to call it the other virtual desktops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6622">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► and they use a third party mouse that doesn't have Multi Touch to swipe between my virtual desktops is terrible error [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:34 ◼ ► at least in any mouse I've ever tried to bring the violin music back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6634">TS</a>]
01:50:37 ◼ ► Yeah you do need to bring violent music had it's true though Apple's Apple of the touch service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6637">TS</a>]
01:50:41 ◼ ► and the Magic Mouse is so much better than the touch service another touch surface type mice that use that means that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6641">TS</a>]
01:50:47 ◼ ► you're of like Apple's trackpads can bit everyone else's trackpads like everyone else that uses whatever the cheapest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6647">TS</a>]
01:50:52 ◼ ► sensor they can put in the device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6652">TS</a>]
01:50:54 ◼ ► And Apple does now so I would love to see more bold this Magic Mouse I don't think it will happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6654">TS</a>]
01:51:02 ◼ ► but I can't I don't care for the trackpad very much I can use it but I don't care for it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6662">TS</a>]
01:51:08 ◼ ► I grew up on the track point on I.B.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6668">TS</a>]
01:51:10 ◼ ► Think Pad so I still miss having one of those and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6670">TS</a>]
01:51:13 ◼ ► when I'm at my desk for more than a few minutes I tend to like to use a proper mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6673">TS</a>]
01:51:18 ◼ ► and because of my obsession with virtual desktops it has to be a Magic Mouse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6678">TS</a>]
01:51:23 ◼ ► You know the magic mass is a beautiful piece of sculpture I love how it looks I just don't like holding it in me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6683">TS</a>]
01:51:28 ◼ ► and I just love the inertial scrolling with it because I used to before this I use the larger tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6688">TS</a>]
01:51:33 ◼ ► and next revolution that had had an awesome like heavy weighted fly wheel scroll thing that if you flipped it hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6693">TS</a>]
01:51:41 ◼ ► enough and you had their software installed it would unlock and spin freely for a while until you like slow down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6701">TS</a>]
01:51:46 ◼ ► or stop what you're going to want to become Not you again it was a fantastic mouse that was played the terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6706">TS</a>]
01:51:51 ◼ ► software and terrible support by like alternative mouse drivers on a list and then they start making it and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6711">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► It was like it was awesome when it worked and it just worked so rarely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:04 ◼ ► Now you can buy a new one and so the Magic Mouse with its tux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6724">TS</a>]
01:52:08 ◼ ► or initial scrolling kind of replace that for me because like once you get used to the inertia scrolling having the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6728">TS</a>]
01:52:15 ◼ ► like notchy type scroll wheel where you're scrolling by like a non accelerating rate is barbaric like an animal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6735">TS</a>]
01:52:25 ◼ ► And on that bombshell Thanks a lot two or three sponsors this week when the dot com dash and nature box. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6745">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► And we will see you next week. Now this show is over and it was accidental accidental. John thanks again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6753">TS</a>]
01:52:59 ◼ ► And you are now sitting on the coffee. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6779">TS</a>]
01:53:15 ◼ ► and they were really scraping the bottom of the barrel for talking about mouth revisions of the mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6795">TS</a>]
01:53:44 ◼ ► or prediction what possible hardware example has that need to be revised. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6824">TS</a>]
01:53:50 ◼ ► Well as a tractor it's pretty old now it's not in a while. Absolutely I'm going to make monitors anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6830">TS</a>]
01:53:57 ◼ ► I would like to see if they do and of doing some kind of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6837">TS</a>]
01:54:00 ◼ ► Cosmetic update with a lot of the stuff like the aluminum keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6840">TS</a>]
01:54:03 ◼ ► and stuff like that like they use that they're brushed aluminum look for so long that it might help to just do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6843">TS</a>]
01:54:11 ◼ ► refresh and that sort of thing we're going to do something like the space gray color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6851">TS</a>]
01:54:14 ◼ ► or the macro's glossy space gray looking color just you know just like a cosmetic refresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6854">TS</a>]
01:54:21 ◼ ► but not that much different of the hood. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6861">TS</a>]
01:54:24 ◼ ► and stuff that all just have Russian women I'm now saying I like the MacBook Pros like in their final form because like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6864">TS</a>]
01:54:31 ◼ ► the one they went to lumen and they slowly revise revise your boss removed doors sealed everything inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6871">TS</a>]
01:54:39 ◼ ► and now it's like OK this is the this is the logical conclusion of making a macro pro out of a solid brick aluminum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6879">TS</a>]
01:54:46 ◼ ► hauling out and shoving the insides in and out like. All right can you change the color change texture change shape. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6886">TS</a>]
01:54:53 ◼ ► Because they're not going to go away for sure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6893">TS</a>]
01:54:57 ◼ ► Well that's why I think if they were to hypothetically make a black prolonging that would be the perfect moment like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6897">TS</a>]
01:55:03 ◼ ► Martha was saying to to do this light visual refresh so it's more than just painting black on top of aluminum to on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6903">TS</a>]
01:55:11 ◼ ► retina Thunderball. Come on you can do it really seems like about Sapphire. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6911">TS</a>]
01:55:16 ◼ ► We've always rumors about where sapphire going to go I think it's pretty clear that they're going to keep using it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6916">TS</a>]
01:55:22 ◼ ► Touch ID of course and they need a lot of it to do that because Touch ID is in every i Phone five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6922">TS</a>]
01:55:30 ◼ ► and They're you know you would expect that this fall on his new i Phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6930">TS</a>]
01:55:34 ◼ ► and i Pads It's now going to be in the new i Phone and the last year's model. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6934">TS</a>]
01:55:39 ◼ ► If they keep the five us around to the going to be even more for i Phone a man hopefully they would add to I've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6939">TS</a>]
01:55:45 ◼ ► this really weird once you get used to it on the phone to not have any i Pad So you're looking at a lot of sapphire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6945">TS</a>]
01:55:51 ◼ ► demands right there versus some of the rumors say like if you're going to use it for the whole i Phone screen that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6951">TS</a>]
01:56:00 ◼ ► A massive quantity more I don't think they could make enough of it even in their new plant in Arizona [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6960">TS</a>]
01:56:04 ◼ ► or wherever like that that would require so much more sapphire than just what they have now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6964">TS</a>]
01:56:09 ◼ ► I just think the volume is is impractical. I would like an i Phone seven right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6969">TS</a>]
01:56:14 ◼ ► So maybe you know if they have if they are doing something that has like a watch face you could see plausibly OK maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6974">TS</a>]
01:56:21 ◼ ► that you know maybe that's where we'll be going you know something where you have some kind of wearable with you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6981">TS</a>]
01:56:26 ◼ ► medium small or medium size screen you need to be very very easily and it could go there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6986">TS</a>]
01:56:31 ◼ ► But this could if you one of those things were you know there's not much of a story here it's for i Phone Home buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6991">TS</a>]
01:56:39 ◼ ► I'm getting more more excited the more I realize that we don't know crap about what's going on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/6999">TS</a>]
01:56:44 ◼ ► Yeah it definitely is more exciting this way like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7004">TS</a>]
01:56:46 ◼ ► when you know there's been so many recent keynote in the last few years where almost everything has been ruined ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7006">TS</a>]
01:56:51 ◼ ► of time and it just isn't fun like you know we still go and we still pretend to be excited but it's so much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7011">TS</a>]
01:56:56 ◼ ► when we're actually genuinely surprised and so excited for me because I was have the terror of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7016">TS</a>]
01:57:00 ◼ ► when they're going to have the release date for Austin. Sure you've won the lottery for the most part so far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7020">TS</a>]
01:57:07 ◼ ► Yeah they could say and it's shipping in three weeks and I'm screwed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7027">TS</a>]
01:57:11 ◼ ► Do we want to do titles are there any Let's check this crazy show Bob we have a crazy had together show about twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7031">TS</a>]
01:57:23 ◼ ► By the way I apologise in advance for how crappy This is where you saving the data in my S.Q.L. Would be overkill. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7043">TS</a>]
01:57:31 ◼ ► What would you do if you had twenty minutes to rewrite as well. Where would you store it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7051">TS</a>]
01:57:36 ◼ ► Memory of the early years of the and I was a story as an appeal ist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7056">TS</a>]
01:57:47 ◼ ► Now this is actually it was a fun exercise because I've very rarely coded like mad under time pressure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7067">TS</a>]
01:57:53 ◼ ► and certainly haven't done it recently so it was kind of fun. It was like a fun hackathon for twenty minutes with my. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7073">TS</a>]
01:58:00 ◼ ► Self sounds terrible but it was fun it was and you know obviously there's tons of ideas used to make it better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7080">TS</a>]
01:58:12 ◼ ► But now I have something where like if I end up open sourcing this framework that I don't want to open source forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7092">TS</a>]
01:58:18 ◼ ► The test app that open source within the here's an example of how to use it as if it's not sorted by vote at the click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7098">TS</a>]
01:58:25 ◼ ► the serpent doesn't know Ajax voting because it's much worse than the sorting problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7105">TS</a>]
01:58:30 ◼ ► but around the time forms of missions the old ways are best. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7110">TS</a>]
01:58:37 ◼ ► Only you can bitch and moan about something I was with together in twenty minutes at the out of the blue and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7117">TS</a>]
01:58:43 ◼ ► and not sound like a world class jerk doing it but I think it sounds like it should take less time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7123">TS</a>]
01:58:49 ◼ ► and be less effort like form submission is the hard way to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7129">TS</a>]
01:58:52 ◼ ► You have you are going to tire form with the little field and a button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7132">TS</a>]
01:58:56 ◼ ► and it like you know how far do you think it is to make a form it just seems more heavy weight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7136">TS</a>]
01:59:02 ◼ ► and then you had the whole page to reload [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7142">TS</a>]
01:59:04 ◼ ► and use your places like you're sacrificing functionality for it like I get if you don't know the A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7144">TS</a>]
01:59:10 ◼ ► Is already pretty if you have Jake reloaded and just attach handlers and do the submission it's like super easy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7150">TS</a>]
01:59:18 ◼ ► The final form that's interesting and like that I have now lost my place who have voted for it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7158">TS</a>]
01:59:25 ◼ ► Wearing electronics is just not cool. It's true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7165">TS</a>]
01:59:28 ◼ ► No it's like these these modern smart watches they're like they're like calculator watches in the eighty's they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7168">TS</a>]
01:59:34 ◼ ► The calculator watches were sleek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7174">TS</a>]
01:59:36 ◼ ► and elegant comparisons like I don't know I don't think so I know they were are yes going to remember that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7176">TS</a>]
01:59:41 ◼ ► They're pretty yeah they were way thinner than a pebble. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7181">TS</a>]
01:59:44 ◼ ► Way smaller than a pair of pedals way nicer Templeman eyes and a calculator watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7184">TS</a>]
01:59:48 ◼ ► It is it's not by a lot but it is how the pebble looks like you're wearing like a lunch box on your wrist and ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7188">TS</a>]
01:59:56 ◼ ► and ugly lunchbox with like grommets and light. Terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7196">TS</a>]
02:00:01 ◼ ► I don't I don't think that bad but it's not great obviously but yeah I just might. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7201">TS</a>]
02:00:05 ◼ ► My grandfather had a metal calculator watch like I was like a grown up you know as a Casio I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7205">TS</a>]
02:00:11 ◼ ► but it was like the fancy you know gentlemen's one where instead of just being plastic with a bunch of little plastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7211">TS</a>]
02:00:16 ◼ ► knobs it's all metal and smooth the flush keys it's awesome. Now what else going on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7216">TS</a>]
02:00:21 ◼ ► Oh I didn't do my homework but I did play flappy golf does that count as a game. Now Cher was laughing it off though. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7221">TS</a>]
02:00:31 ◼ ► It isn't that good of a game I mean it's literally just like super segment off too with the flappy bird thing as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7231">TS</a>]
02:00:37 ◼ ► mechanic instead of balls but I know but the but the clever you know remake slash commentary on flappy bird. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7237">TS</a>]
02:00:44 ◼ ► It is a good way to reuse resources they already have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7244">TS</a>]
02:00:47 ◼ ► and I think if you had never seen super stick man golf the reason it works it works in a world where flappy bird exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7247">TS</a>]
02:00:55 ◼ ► I think it was clever. I just don't enjoy playing it out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7255">TS</a>]
02:00:59 ◼ ► Yeah I kind of wish they had that like made original courses for it to some of the some of the ones that come with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7259">TS</a>]
02:01:04 ◼ ► just don't make sense and it's kind of obvious but otherwise yeah it was it's a fun diversion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7264">TS</a>]
02:01:08 ◼ ► It's a little too easy and and there's you know zero replay value. But it's funny. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7268">TS</a>]
02:01:16 ◼ ► So anyway to put it and I was really annoyed by the games in our pop ups and you were totally right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7276">TS</a>]
02:01:23 ◼ ► and I eventually get a lot I've actually loved in the game center just because just to make it stop bothering me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7283">TS</a>]
02:01:27 ◼ ► logon to games or and things like used to be that a green felt thing would come down and spoiler application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7287">TS</a>]
02:01:33 ◼ ► and now a bubble of white thing comes down this boy like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7293">TS</a>]
02:01:38 ◼ ► when you have to sit there watching it animated in like you to sit there for like seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7298">TS</a>]
02:01:42 ◼ ► or eight seconds watching this thing show itself to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7302">TS</a>]
02:01:44 ◼ ► and it will never match anything that goes on top of because no one is ever going to make it an app to look like either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7304">TS</a>]
02:01:49 ◼ ► of the old games and or the new games that are so it's like and worried all about the visual stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7309">TS</a>]
02:01:54 ◼ ► Let me take a window from another application that doesn't match yours and shove it on top of your U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7314">TS</a>]
02:01:58 ◼ ► Like it's never going to work ever. So we love it. Do you think games. I'm guessing zero. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7318">TS</a>]
02:02:07 ◼ ► I'm guessing like literally no changes at all to games that are I would love to be in the meeting where they decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7327">TS</a>]
02:02:12 ◼ ► are we getting rid of the felt. What's a game to you and why no public polls because I mean it's not over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7332">TS</a>]
02:02:21 ◼ ► Maybe they were smoking something I don't understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7341">TS</a>]
02:02:23 ◼ ► and this is why this is why I'm like I'm just so you know that as of last week with you know getting some new blood in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7343">TS</a>]
02:02:30 ◼ ► the executive team I don't I don't know I don't I mean I think it's examining the little play games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7350">TS</a>]
02:02:36 ◼ ► but I don't know if it's they could be young people to like but I think everyone who works in a game set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7356">TS</a>]
02:02:42 ◼ ► Box Live account the you know playstation you know the esteem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7362">TS</a>]
02:02:45 ◼ ► and just like now those are great examples of interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7365">TS</a>]
02:02:48 ◼ ► but you see whatever else is doing in the realm of things to keep track of like your friends the more games you play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7368">TS</a>]
02:02:53 ◼ ► and like this is not new territory. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7373">TS</a>]
02:02:55 ◼ ► Tons of other companies do this and they all do it in a way that is more successful visually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7375">TS</a>]
02:03:01 ◼ ► and technologically frankly than what Apple does. So I get the feeling of the people doing Game Center. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7381">TS</a>]
02:03:06 ◼ ► If there have never used those things or they use them but their bosses say make it like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7386">TS</a>]
02:03:10 ◼ ► and they just do it the process I'm talking about the bosses being being you know the potential problem here like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7390">TS</a>]
02:03:16 ◼ ► you know the settings icon in Iowa seven where have all these you know these inner lined gears are these concentric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7396">TS</a>]
02:03:23 ◼ ► gears like do you think this is like how a bunch of fifty year old men view gears like Oh well how about on a bike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7403">TS</a>]
02:03:30 ◼ ► that's where it seemed years before that's what setting should mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7410">TS</a>]
02:03:32 ◼ ► and it just it seems like I don't know it just seems so out of touch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7412">TS</a>]
02:03:38 ◼ ► Those aren't bike years they're watchers have to go even better. Old men with watches. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7418">TS</a>]
02:03:43 ◼ ► How about a high end watch which like how many twenty five year olds have ever even seen a high end watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7423">TS</a>]
02:03:49 ◼ ► and has the exposed ears visible through the transparent glass like you know how how many people have ever seen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7429">TS</a>]
02:03:54 ◼ ► or you know of this generation at all I mean it's you know I'm kind of excited to see it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7434">TS</a>]
02:04:00 ◼ ► Oh us ten like new look introduction video was the best part of the I was some announcement with a little video they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7440">TS</a>]
02:04:06 ◼ ► put together the first time we were seeing i OS seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7446">TS</a>]
02:04:09 ◼ ► and it was crazy looking ahead all those animation you know you know the video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7449">TS</a>]
02:04:12 ◼ ► Oh yeah and that was actually that was a major moment in last year's keynote because it was so shocking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7452">TS</a>]
02:04:18 ◼ ► and you know I was down on them before for leaning too much on videos in the recent keynote where like you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7458">TS</a>]
02:04:25 ◼ ► think it's a very good keynote if we have to sit there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7465">TS</a>]
02:04:27 ◼ ► and watch like twenty minutes of canned video clips that were there basically commercials like you know I know the hawk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7467">TS</a>]
02:04:34 ◼ ► you know to the commercial in this in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7474">TS</a>]
02:04:37 ◼ ► but like at least you know give us the dignity of the human presentation as much as you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7477">TS</a>]
02:04:41 ◼ ► and just use video sparingly and I thought last year they went over the line use too much video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7481">TS</a>]
02:04:46 ◼ ► That being said that was a really good video and that was a good use of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7486">TS</a>]
02:04:51 ◼ ► and the difference is that in the olden days back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7491">TS</a>]
02:04:54 ◼ ► when jobs are to MacWorld keynotes everything the first time you saw the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7494">TS</a>]
02:04:58 ◼ ► Was either on a slide like they would show you elements of it on a slide or like some sort of theme image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7498">TS</a>]
02:05:04 ◼ ► and then they would go to a computer screen where he would be using a new T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7504">TS</a>]
02:05:07 ◼ ► Screen right where this was a produced sort of like what you're seeing is super high resin midges of their sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7507">TS</a>]
02:05:14 ◼ ► design document animating together showing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7514">TS</a>]
02:05:17 ◼ ► and that's I think that is a much more interesting way to be introduced to you I've been seeing screenshots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7517">TS</a>]
02:05:21 ◼ ► or seeing close ups of seeing things and so I hope overstand rates getting a similar video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7521">TS</a>]
02:05:28 ◼ ► when is that dramatic of a redesign I agree if it's like you know here's a new version of I work like that's I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7528">TS</a>]
02:05:34 ◼ ► but yeah I agree with with the major redesign It's about a new new design language for everything is how very wide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7534">TS</a>]
02:05:41 ◼ ► or really really thin you know more overlapping windows. Yeah well that's that's so last decade Zack last for decades. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7541">TS</a>]
02:05:50 ◼ ► Johnny have a go on screen explaining overlapping windows are so passe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7550">TS</a>]
02:05:53 ◼ ► Well they weren't true to the to the object's self you know you don't really have overlapping monitors that they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7553">TS</a>]
02:05:59 ◼ ► true to. The material that you're using it's there unapologetically tiled. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7559">TS</a>]
02:06:03 ◼ ► If they did that and then you would come in from the side and push Johnny office still no seriously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7563">TS</a>]
02:06:10 ◼ ► or it'd still functioning O. Us on our end of note about five or ten minutes ago I started looking into a node I or C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7570">TS</a>]
02:06:20 ◼ ► Package and I now have a show but that's at least listening for suggestions that he's doing zero with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7580">TS</a>]
02:06:29 ◼ ► The Ba'ath easy buy one get a library you may have joined a challenge you may go watch everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7589">TS</a>]
02:06:33 ◼ ► and something that is isolation but asking a bunch of stuff. You build the U.R.L. and You hit it. Problem solved. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7593">TS</a>]
02:06:40 ◼ ► and see if I can get it was my first pan module of the bought a library for making about he's going to make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7600">TS</a>]
02:06:48 ◼ ► but the bot factory factory the same day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7608">TS</a>]
02:06:52 ◼ ► Oh it was it was very Do you guys remember you know remember who you were and Max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7612">TS</a>]
02:06:55 ◼ ► but there was an application of Hotline Do you remember that. Maybe now anyway it was it just like R.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7615">TS</a>]
02:07:02 ◼ ► but It's like it was it was an application. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7622">TS</a>]
02:07:03 ◼ ► A client server application written by like a sixteen year old as a writer you know going to be awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7623">TS</a>]
02:07:09 ◼ ► and it was for the Mac only and it was used basically to trade illegal software. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7629">TS</a>]
02:07:12 ◼ ► You know like people would set up servers in their house and you could join it as user and you get an account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7632">TS</a>]
02:07:17 ◼ ► and they had files and it was all it was basically like I had design your own local area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7637">TS</a>]
02:07:22 ◼ ► but anyway it was a the protocols all binary get all the person is doing I think was a shoving like native C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7642">TS</a>]
02:07:30 ◼ ► Al Hunt of the wire I don't think he was doing like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7650">TS</a>]
02:07:34 ◼ ► and you know a lot of things that change Internet work by donor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7654">TS</a>]
02:07:37 ◼ ► and all that stuff it was just like native spewing out C. Struck on to the wire. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7657">TS</a>]
02:07:42 ◼ ► I was not documented so I had to reverse engineer it by washing washing Hexham So the network traffic can figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7662">TS</a>]
02:07:48 ◼ ► the packet format and once I had done that then I could write a library that knew how to read and write those packets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7668">TS</a>]
02:07:54 ◼ ► And once I'd written a library then you can write about and so I did and I was cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7674">TS</a>]
02:08:00 ◼ ► Your bot factory was cool someone else but now I'm in the box I mean I made the framework to make the bot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7680">TS</a>]
02:08:05 ◼ ► and then I read about what the framers had icons and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7685">TS</a>]
02:08:09 ◼ ► but would change its icon based on what people said and you could send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7689">TS</a>]
02:08:12 ◼ ► and receive files of people you could have private conversations with the BOD log things it was doing all the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7692">TS</a>]
02:08:17 ◼ ► that are supposed to do but not in Ira C. and With a few extra capabilities don't exist in our city. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7697">TS</a>]
02:08:23 ◼ ► But how I was terrible. That code is terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7703">TS</a>]
02:08:25 ◼ ► The model is terrible but there for a second module is a case in that view that you downloaded a node module is up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7705">TS</a>]
02:08:33 ◼ ► and running and you keep need to keep lab and I might actually have it posted something here in a few moments. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7713">TS</a>]
02:08:40 ◼ ► Why don't we just have Casey write the whole thing and note that's what I should do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7720">TS</a>]
02:08:43 ◼ ► and I mean it's not if I could do this in twenty minutes in P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7723">TS</a>]
02:08:46 ◼ ► You can probably can you do it only thirty seconds you just type in like you know it's a one line note plus a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7726">TS</a>]
02:08:51 ◼ ► fifty thousand line to dependencies. Pretty much yes just do that why why would I write as if you can do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7731">TS</a>]
02:08:58 ◼ ► There's one thing I really don't want to have to try to figure out I.R.C. Stuff with P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7738">TS</a>]
02:09:02 ◼ ► That I know I have to use some kind of third party code it would probably be awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7742">TS</a>]
02:09:07 ◼ ► and I'd rather not do that so I just figured out the project that you do homework rather than play again this week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7747">TS</a>]
02:09:14 ◼ ► Do this you can probably write this whole thing in less time it takes to be mine about what I already did my homework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7754">TS</a>]
02:09:21 ◼ ► though you know I know. I'm giving you my homework to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQqOsR0/7761">TS</a>]