00:00:03 ◼ ► Well Twitter itself the service is still mostly OK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► but got decisions to make Carol you know I've noticed lately by the way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/9">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► Maybe I'm just waking up to five years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/13">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► but I've done a couple of searches recently for hotels like for to be able to see and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/16">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► and I was looking at Facebook recently and they were putting in ads for the destinations I was searching for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/23">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► when I was not even anywhere near Facebook at the time which is an extremely creepy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/32">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► Well that's that's the new Internet that's that's the modern privacy economy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/39">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► So now I'm extreme so the net effect from that is that if I do look at Facebook I look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/44">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► and I log the hell out because I feel like that makes a difference even though it probably doesn't it doesn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/50">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► Yeah I mean you know it's this is just like the boil the frog analogy it's like you know at some point we we all say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/55">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► we can't do this this is too creepy and then you know six months later that's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/62">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► and then move on to the next creepy thing and Facebook and Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/67">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► and all these companies that make money based on how creepy they're going to be will always get more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/70">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► and more creepy over time because that's how they will keep making money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/75">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► and keep staying ahead of each other in the competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/78">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► and keep their numbers growing every quarter it's a whole business built on how creepy Are you willing to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/81">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► and if you take small steps. It's pretty easy to justify pretty much anything anyway new under some follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/87">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► Actually let me since I've brought it up let me interrupt you by saying we should we have recorded this on Monday the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/94">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► nineteenth of May and we did that because our schedules over the next couple weeks are a little wild. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/101">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► But regardless of when we release this if anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/106">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► Q wild something like that regardless of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/110">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► when we release this it's something we say sounds really really stupid because of some news that has just recently come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/113">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► out. It's because we recorded this on Monday rather than our normal day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/119">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► And clearly that's why we sounded stupid and it couldn't possibly be because I actually said something stupid right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/123">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► and that would be the only reason why we ever say anything stupid it's only because we record the show a couple days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/131">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► before we post it usually that's the only reason we ever get anything wrong. I'm not going to bring up finals. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/136">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► So I had so last week I kind of defended Apple's supposed acquisition of peace which we still don't know anything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/145">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► and we still have no confirmation about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/151">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► But I defended it basically saying that beats is actually a really strong headphone brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/153">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► and that their headphones while while they're not what audio files want in a headphone they are very appealing to a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/159">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► And well anyway so today I actually spent the most time that I've ever spent with beat headphones because I had to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/168">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► back to the Apple store. You know what's going on this is anything worth sharing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/174">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► No the the i Phone five sleep wake replacement program I want to get my replaced because I want to have a very long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/178">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► That's OK so anyway so I went to pick it up today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/186">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► and you know everything you do in an Apple store these days this is probably good profit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/190">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► but everything you do in an Apple store these days takes like forty five minutes because there are certain things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/195">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► you can't really make appointments for like picking up your phone from repair there are other things that you can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/200">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► appointments for if you're willing to make an appointment seventeen days ahead of time and you get there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/205">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► and doesn't matter you made the appointment because they are already backed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/209">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► and it still takes forty minutes before anybody will see you like a doctor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/212">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► and they do this weird thing where you go to the person first you go to the person at the front door who seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/216">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► doing nothing and they tell you to go back to you know I've been in the back or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/223">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► and go register if I've been back there with a lot of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/227">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► So you go in the store and you think you get in somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/230">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► and there's a big line of people behind some guy with an i Pad and eventually you get to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/232">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► and you tell me all right here stand here. As table and wait and will have you know Jerry come out and talk to you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/237">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► So then then you stare and then you're like All right well you know five ten minutes in like kind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/246">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► Can I move from this table like what will happen if I go look at the laptops over at that other table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/251">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► or go start playing with the headphones at the table over there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/256">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► and he's going to have to sit there standing around like waiting in planes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/260">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► Maybe I'll just go over there and listen for my name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/264">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► and look for someone walking over there it's it's a really weird experience that I don't like the feeling that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/266">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► retail stores are not only having trouble keeping up with the customer volume that they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/273">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► but not doing a very good job with the solution they've come up with so far with you know creating good experience of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/280">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► the people I no longer enjoy going to the Apple store it's getting closer and closer to going to the D.M.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/286">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► In you know experience quality and things I would try to avoid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/293">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► But it's really because you're an East Coast or in Word to I don't know organized and we like order too much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/297">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► Lines we like the lines exactly I don't know. Apple Stores are to me like the epitome of California. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/306">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► Hey man it's cold just leave it here for a while we will be awesome. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/314">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► I've never enjoyed going down to star aside I want to get in I want to get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/320">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► and it just if they make it impossible it's like at the game you just have to try to get served. Good luck yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/324">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► Seriously though I will say that the the Apple Store app that lets you still buy things that is really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/330">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► but everything else about the experience is pretty pretty crummy these days you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/338">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► Anyway so I I had some time for my pick up that's supposed to only take five minutes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/344">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► I had probably a good twenty minutes in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/349">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► and I went back to the headphone tables I mentioned last week I figured well you know it was only it was only two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/352">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► tables away from my designated. But we're supposed to stand but it was nothing. So I figured you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/358">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► Oh well I'll I'll see what goes on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/362">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► and it turns out they did find me it wasn't a big deal so nice top tip for all you life hacks out there so I got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/366">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► chance to try all of the headphones they had I made it a point to try every single one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/373">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► and it was probably a total of I don't know maybe twenty sets some like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/378">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► And the good thing is this time there was a song on on most of the i Pod They were the Foo Fighters walk which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/382">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► great song from a great album from a great band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/394">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► and the good thing about this song is that I actually knew it normally I go to the i Pod in the stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/398">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► and I don't know any of the songs on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/403">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► and they're all like you know crappy modern pop songs which makes it very hard for me to judge sound quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/405">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► and I'm always afraid to plug my i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/410">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► and the headphone cable had some kind of security attachment on it as well so I never I'm never willing to plug my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/412">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► and use my own music so anyway so I was able to compare the song that I know very well I know how it supposed to sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/419">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► on good headphones and and it's a pretty rockin song it has a lot of bass a lot of a lot of everything really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/426">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► It's a very you know all over the spectrum kind of song. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/432">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► So it should give me a pretty good idea of of how things sound and I tried every headphone they had that worked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/435">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► Which is another problem about about a quarter of them just didn't work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/443">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► A lot of them like they weren't they were plugged in maybe or they had noise cancelling the batteries were dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/446">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► or whatever the case doesn't matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/452">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► Most of them I was able to try and the beats had such an incredibly distinct sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/453">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► and by that I mean it was all bass like all days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/461">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► It was shocking like in a true fighter song in order to turn I had to turn it down far enough that it wasn't blowing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/464">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► my ears of bass but at the Vaal at like the highest bass volume I could tolerate for a sustained period. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/473">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► You could barely hear the words that were being said like the base was so strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/480">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► and the midrange is like tucked down under everything you could barely hear it and it was really strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/485">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► and so I looked in a few other you know I tried a few other sets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/490">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► and verify that you know they didn't just have a crappy version of the song it wasn't some weird E.Q. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/494">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► Setting on the i Pod settings area or whatever it was just that the Beats headphones really sounded bizarre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/498">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► and I don't know why you know I I said last week that people do like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/504">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► and that's true I mean I guess this is a lot of the same opinion I have when I drink Starbucks coffee but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/511">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► but man it was rough it was and I tried every other set they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/518">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► and most of them you know they tried all the Bose ones that Bose has a new line called like accurate center something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/524">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► which is comical because it doesn't sound accurate at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/530">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► And there you know it all sorts of all sorts of like other you know luxury brands there's a Bang and Olufsen this B.M.W. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/533">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► and Not B.M.W. B.M.W. and All these other things and and please B.M.W. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/540">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► Never make headphones and he would probably be terrible on it that would cause a conflict in my mind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/546">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► So generally when I got the opinion you know if you ever go into a Bang [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/551">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► and Olufsen mall store they will it's you get the feeling it's it's like a Bose store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/558">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► Times ten where like they have all these things around that like you know this crazy expensive speaker dhat crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/564">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► expensive headphones crazy expensive speaker tower fan thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/571">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► and all these like weird bizarre boutique electronics that are ridiculously expensive and you know kind of cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/574">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► and gimmicky Maybe but probably not worth those prices. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/582">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► That's how the Apple store is getting with all that audio stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/586">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► and system which has always been this way you know the Apple Store has never been a place where you could go buy audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/590">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► file great headphones or anything but that that is. That's how their entire headphone department is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/594">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► It's these like two to four hundred dollar boutique fancy fashion he marketing heavy brands that are not very good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/603">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► By most measures but is cost a lot of money and are fancy and I wonder. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/614">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► I hope I hope this is wrong but I am a little scared this might be a future direction that Apple takes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/621">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► or makes a mistake a bigger push into with their retail efforts like becoming this like fancy upscale boutique thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/631">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► and other things like you know Apple has always had a reputation for being expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/638">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► and overpriced compared to other computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/645">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► and we all know because you know we're not we all know because we're informed in these matters that Apple computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/649">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► really aren't that much more expensive than comparably priced other computers certainly have the kind of low end that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/655">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► You know Apple Apple would just pretty much has the mid mid range [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/663">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► and high end of computers federally just the high end these days. And so Apple Computers are not overpriced. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/666">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► They are expensive but they are. It's a good value. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/673">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► You get your money's worth for them all the headphones they have in their store are not that way they don't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/675">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► same like. OK well they're pricey but it's worth it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/683">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► They're pricey and it's not worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/687">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► and it is just overpriced you know kind of almost sham marketing she prints of it all the stuff that other fans accuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/688">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► us of for being like you know Apple sheep or fanboys or whatever. That's all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/697">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► Like people who like the kind of headphone brand that Apple sells. Those accusations are a lot more accurate for that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/702">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► And for the headphone business that Apple's doing now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/709">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► And so I hope that Apple is not going to go further in that direction because it scares me because I think that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/712">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► actually damage their overall brand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/717">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► Because people with heart associated Apple with even more so with like overpriced stuff that's not actually worth its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/720">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► price and for the rest of their product that's not the case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/728">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► But people like those headphones though like people see the value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/731">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► and be ten phones because they're cool right whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/735">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► when you show them your macula you like well I like it because of you know such as operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/738">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► and build quality and whatever and the like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/743">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► But you showed me the beat headphones they don't care about the sound quality like because they're cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/747">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► But it's like those hundred dollar pair of jeans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/751">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► or stores it's a hundred dollar jeans trying to convince someone about a hundred dollar pair of jeans that your twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/753">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► five dollar pair of Levi's is just as good if you won't it's a different type of mine seven experience I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/757">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► advantage that beats has is that you don't you don't have to convince a regular person that the Beats headphones are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/763">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► worth that you do have to try to convince the regular person that your mac is worth more than three hundred dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/771">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► dollar top because they don't see that I mean we see we see the differences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/777">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► but they don't I don't know if that's necessarily true though I think that most people that don't have Macs would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/780">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► probably buy one and spend the hundreds and hundreds of dollars that they think extra you know that if a comparable P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/790">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► Is five hundred dollars the equivalent mac in their minds as a thousand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/800">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► I think a lot of people would spend that extra five hundred dollars and so to speak. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/803">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► But the thing is it's a thousand dollars they're spending to get this mac unlike spending just a couple hundred dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/808">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► on a pair of headphones a couple hundred dollars is a lot of money Don't get me wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/816">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► but it's a much more approachable luxury price point in the same way that there are probably many people that would if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/819">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► they could buy either German luxury car or perhaps an Italian sports car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/827">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► But as you keep going up this up this ladder the jump from agreeable to really nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/833">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► It is tremendous and more and less and less and less affordable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/840">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► Think about Air Jordans when we were kids and like yeah eighty's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/844">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► and ninety's they were a hundred bucks in the eighty's that's easily the amount of the ten pounds that were Air Jordans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/847">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► better then a half bath water the cost half as much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/851">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► Probably not without the Reebok pump like I wanted some of those so yeah you know you want them because they're cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/856">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► They got the charge a ridiculous premium form and they were similarly priced to be Ted on today just in for inflation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/862">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► Depending on what you know particular model you are getting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/868">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► I have incredibly sad real time follow up this is the saddest thing I have ever seen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/873">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► It's been though you had phones you know. Yeah there actually is a pair of beads B.M.W. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/877">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► Headphones officially made by beads licensed by B.M.W. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/884">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► Wow I can't even imagine the level of do Shittu required to wear those in public. Wow Wow. But if it's just the B.M.W. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/888">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► Logo that adds that beats by themselves or just beats once you have the B.M.W. Logo two it's like that's too much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/900">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► Yeah that's that's rough. That Wow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/905">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► Well they have those Porsche Porsche Design did like a hard drive enclosure for Alessi at some point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/908">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► Oh please Porsche in Ferrari are the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/915">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► when it comes to licensing their their logo for use on everything under the sun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/918">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► but it wasn't a logos like they designed I think I think it had a Porsche logo on it was like a car type thing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/923">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► Porsche Design Studio They did a laptop like that to them in the bed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/927">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► Anyway those be ten phones just logo branding all the Davis stamp a B.M.W. Thing on there and probably triple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/932">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► Well it's on sale right now for only one hundred fifty dollars. You couldn't pay me to wear those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/939">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► Before I get Miserables well anything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/945">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► and now I think I think that's just at the Apple Store is a terrible place to buy headphones I will say by far the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/947">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► comfortable pair of headphones there it was night in day difference. Most company. Had phones by far was the B N O X X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/955">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► Those like tan ones that the White Cups in the tan whether you're cups extremely lightweight very very comfortable that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/964">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► they were in a class of their own for comfort. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/971">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► Unfortunately there are like three or four hundred dollars and they didn't sound that good but they those were great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/973">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► and all the other ones like people have as you know do you try like you know the P five P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/979">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► Seven yes I did all the new Bose the quite comforted in the new you know accurate whatever which is whole other areas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/985">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► Everything I tried sounded weird and disappointing to me in some way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/993">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► or another a lot of people have asked me what they should buy instead of these things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/997">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► I don't have a I don't have one solid answer for that because it depends on what you're doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► I saw right out of my sight some time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► and then the challenges that a lot of times a luxury these luxury overpraise marketing brands will be better than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► better sounding ones in some of those factors like comfort or convenience noise isolation or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► or at the clicker on the head like the i Phone click there were some of the big ones won't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► So it's tough like I can just give like one song recommendation I would say in general there's like five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► or six solid models I disagree with the wire cutter on a number of them but but for the most part like five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► or six good solid models like like you know the a K.G. Makes a bunch of good ones. Sony makes some good ones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► They are dynamic or biodynamic However you say it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► I love their stuff the D T seven seventy's would be a really good pick I think which he's wearing right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► There's there's a number of really good ones that are that are not that expensive and are very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► but you know it depends on you know do you need to be portable it's reportable if you're going to be walking around do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► you want to be folded up and pocketable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► I haven't found anything better than the Sennheiser P X two hundred two I which is unfortunate because it's mediocre in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► all the Regards except portability. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► But it destroys everything else and portability like everything that's not in here but it's a way it's way better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► But anyway if you can wear in ear monitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► or your buds without a lot of discomfort like what I have by all means do that because they are way more practical you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► can fold up put it in your pocket everything I just can't wear those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► So you know I'm stuck with for those phones but oh well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► Anyway before I move on to anything else we should talk about our first sponsor It's a new sponsor this week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► It's called Dash it's the dash dot com slash A.T.P. That's the dash dot com slash A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► Dash is run by a really nice guy who I who I met last year and I can tell you why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► but it was he did a really nice thing for me anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► So this is the dash dot com Now he's a paying sponsor and his site is even better now than it was last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► and it's really great and a lot of good work here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► So dash is real time dashboard for your web site your business your life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► It's it's an online dashboard and all these little widgets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► It's almost like a like a more deluxe more robust hosted version of panic status board as like a web app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► And so it's really it's really quite good so go to the dash to accomplish it if you see what I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► They have a bunch of different widgets pre-built for you can build your own which is they have they integrate with lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► of third party services you can do things like you know watch your server statuses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► or watch the weather watch the news analytics kind of things for your services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► or for your products whatever you can get. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► You can also set up you can set of variations of your name to get like vanity searches your product name your company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► name you can search Twitter Google News all sorts of great stuff they also have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► You can customize all these widgets they had they support Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► To look at their look at on a chrome cast if you know if you airplane or senator chrome cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► and all this stuff is really you got to just log in and try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► and the good thing is you can logon for free you can sign up with just an e-mail free counts you can get one private [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► dashboard and you can also create public dashboard it's kind of like get hardware. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1195">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► and then if you want private ones like fear internal company use that you want to keep private. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► and if you have a if you have a pro count for just ten bucks a month you can have unlimited private ones if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► but everybody gets unlimited public dashboard so check it out go to the dash dot com slash A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► Really great thing here and check it out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► Great guy behind it and I've tried it it's pretty fun to play around with and you can make some pretty cool dashboards. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► Thanks a lot to dash at the dash dot com slash U.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► For sponsoring our show him a dashboard on that pay to take a look go one for each one of us this looks really nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► Yeah that sounds like awesome. Yeah yeah I mean he's a fan. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► He's actually bought a few sponsorships I think for the next three weeks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► So yeah he's he's a fan of the show is a fan of he's been following us for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► and so we thank him very much this is a really cool stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► You know I love that for each of these dashboards there's an image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► and for John it's I believe the correct toaster that is the correct one. I was going to say for my eyes it looks right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► The attention to detail for mine it's a white B.M.W. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► As well me that could be silver but it looks white to me D M W for yours. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► Picture if you went there at the commentary on what the three of us think is important. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► You know this guy's such a fan thank you I need it is that a hypercritical Dakota my service status which looks really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► nice I was well you can try for free if you want to. We should move our download stats to this anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► All right so we have a little bit more follow up about net neutrality. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► Yeah this is just an article today that reminded me of our past discussions of net neutrality by these guys is All [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► Ben Thompson SR to carry guy or Esther tech or if you've given up on Saturday but I still extra to carry it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► It's about neutrality and touches on some. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1315">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► Other things we mentioned in the last show about how there are tech companies that are lobbying Washington for their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► interests and then debate and then there are the I S P's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► and all the other companies lobbying on the other side of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► and they're spending way more money than the tech companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► and it's article basically says that we shouldn't all be as cynical as we are about making changes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► Don't assume oh we're never going to win over never because if we do that it's a self filling prophecy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► and I don't want to ruin the whole arc of this article kind of short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► but you should if you read it he describes his personal experiences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► and he said how he says despite his personal experience this is important for all of us in the tech community not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► give up on this not to be like well you know nothing's ever going to change so why bother. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► And particularly how it's a phenomenon of us doing that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► Well another is going to change why bother and then waiting for some terrible bill to come up over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► and some terrible thing to be proposed then everyone gets angry all the sudden on the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► and like fills out this little petition forms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► and I do this as well like you know this tries to rally people on Twitter and use hashtags and do whatever you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► and write your congressperson and call them to try to stop whatever is like as a last minute write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► and comparison is like that's what we're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► and the other people have been lobbying Washington steadily for ten years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► and so our strategy of waiting to the last minute and get all angry it becomes less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► and less effective as everyone gets bored of our anger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► You know so I I mean I'm I'm actually even a little bit more cynical than this article in that I think that even if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► all have the right attitude the bottom line is if we don't have the same number zero as before the decimal point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► and the amount of money that was very important and it doesn't really matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► So maybe that's the theory of the next little cynicism that he has to take me out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► but I thought it was a good article I think everyone should read it. I will put in the shots. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► All right so something we didn't get a chance to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1436">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► Talk about last week and perhaps even a week or two before that is that Nintendo is not having a good time. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► This keeps floating around the notes I don't know if there's that much to add I mean I think the reason I went there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► because they announced some financial results which were bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► and they made some projections about how many we you can sort of think you're going to sell this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► And that's causing everyone to think about and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► and I don't think anything has changed other than knowing now that the things that Nintendo has tried to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► and seems to be trying to do aren't working early start working yet I wrote something about this on have a kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► like oh a while back about intended in crisis. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► I went back and we read that and I think it basically that's still my opinion it doesn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► The thing is change the content has the ability to get themselves out of the funk that they're in because the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► thing was based on a premise that if if there's no longer a market for devices that mostly play games then tend to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1495">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► screwed but if there is a market for devices the mostly play games then they have a chance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► And so there definitely is a market for the things that just play games because the Playstation for a song like crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► So I'm pretty well as well though they're kind of changing their strategy to try to keep up with the Playstation four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► Isn't doing that terribly but that we use doing terribly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► but anyway the point is that it's not as if no one is buying things that mostly play games people are still buying them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► Intent has the ability to get themselves out of their current crisis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► but it's not doing it so that you know you're necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► but not sufficient again as a precondition for them getting out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► And so the question is what do they do at this point that they just keep trying to release games so that we hope that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► some game catches on if you buy them like they're kind of in the classic death spiral where they don't sell a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► consuls which means that third party developers aren't going to bother making a game games for it because that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1553">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► If you sold two hundred percent of we you owners which are never going to do there would still be a small number. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► And because there's no third party games people have less and less reason to buy or where you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► and just goes down down down. So I don't know what they can or should do Mary card it's coming out soon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► America is getting great reviews Everett says is a great game. Is that going to sell more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► You consul's Probably not I mean the same choice they have before either to make games that make people buy where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► cancelled and if you if third parties want do what you gotta do yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► or figure out what your next thing is I think and then to know has enough money and stamina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► and corporate will to weather the storm of the terrible E.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► Sales and figure what they're going to do next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► and hopefully hopefully by the time they make their next move within the next console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► or a vision of that we were never we haven't passed through the period of time during which game mostly our game only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► hardware is something that people want to buy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► So if you were Nintendo What would you do if I go back in time to a time machine and if you took over today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1611">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► and you had enough political power to to push through any change or initiative you wanted to. What would you do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► I will start working on my next console which will be comparable in power to the competitive councils [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► and I would do basically what Sony did this generation which is look at what you did in the past generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► and hated you for what developers are pissed off at you about what their partners first offered you about get all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► people in the room have them all tell you what what you did wrong and how how your actions have hurt them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► and then sort of like an intervention and then take that information and fix all those mistakes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► Sony did an amazing job with the Playstation foreigners a Playstation three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► and all sorts of problems it was late it was expensive it was a weird architecture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► Third parties didn't like it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► and so for the Playstation four they brought all those people together to just tell us what you think we should do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► They actually listened instead of being like Oh we know what the best thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► and that's one of the reasons a place has or is doing so much better and it was relatively inexpensive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► They didn't commit a lot of money to a motion troll accessory. Dubious value like Microsoft did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► They made the architecture is much nicer for developers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► They worked on their tools they were nicer to third parties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► and their reward is there the clear leader in this generation of candles so intent on needs a console that is on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► same hardware level as whatever its competitors that's going to be that's the that's the price of entry where you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► say OK then the very least we can convince you to give us you know the next iterations all its games like you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► make it make it a no brainer for people to pour to you like well we're making it a cross platform game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► It's easy enough to port and do whatever the new X.-Box is whatever the new Playstation is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► and whatever Nintendo's counselors and for two generations now they've been out of that conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► and they're getting farther apart a conversation whenever you're going to make a new game a game like well we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► to make it from Microsoft Council Sony console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► and then maybe like a year later will think about making some terrible cutdown port to go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► and those council last generation they didn't need third party support because of the the magic of the we mode in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► waggling your wrists and we sports and all that good stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► This generation they didn't pull it off their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► and their novelty with the Game Pad was not enough to get people on board in there and sort of a death spiral. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► So the next generation that I got to make competitive hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► and if they can't make competitive harbor this is an option for them as well they should get out of the high road is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► or decide they're not going to be in the hardware business I guess they should partner with somebody like this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► but I think about this a lot like if this is not in in ten years we'll oust ever do hardware anymore you know go over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► and say we really like what you've done with your hardware how would you like it if we teamed up on the next console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► and made sort of a joint Sony Nintendo console we're going to there are some influence on the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► and it was you know amazing great hardware that had lots of power as an expense of an innovative and maybe had a V.A.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► and Said over and over and then all the Nintendo franchise will be exclusively on that console. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► Again I well I don't put that as my first choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► but I spent a lot of time thinking about it because I look at the Play Station four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► and say how great would it be if I knew that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► Intend it was right now working on a Zelda game for that console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► and they're not the working out of the wheel which is going to be all enjoy it as well and it will be interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► but it's kind of a shame that they're going to be that constrained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► when the contemporary consuls have so much more power. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► So that's what I do I would get working on the next council and make it competitive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► So if Nintendo gets in a really bad place they continue marching down the hardware path [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► and that continues to go poorly and now they're legitimately starting to to you know circle the drain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► Does Apple buy them now I have it be like terrible I would not want Apple to buy them because Apple doesn't dabble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► but what if they want to be you know if you can you know it's it's part of the part of your culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► or it's not like I said Apple doesn't get games but you know it's like the what he called the terrible King [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► and I think he's just not that into you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► and I know that Apple in Game two is Just Not That Into You like good apple just not that into games like that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► like them on the platform the fun and everything but all the other gaming companies Microsoft Sony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► and tend to have people in positions of power who are really into games who love games who live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► and breathe games like that is the same thing with any movie studio yet is going to be a bunch of bureaucrats in suits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► and movies there is this is also going to people who love movies and movie studios. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► You'd need to have that not everybody is going to be stuffed shirts now having them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► and you need to have people send them with car companies the car guys who just love cars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► You absolutely need to have them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► And thus far I'm not convinced there is anyone high up in any position of power that that has that passion for games at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► Apple which is fine like Apple doesn't have to be a game company but it's not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► But I would not want them to buy Nintendo. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► Yeah I think it's pretty clear that not only does Apple not only is Apple not caring about games I don't think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► respect games like that like I said this before long time ago but it's all just go to the quick version basically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1913">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► Like if you look at Apple's history of how they treat games on their platforms both but on the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► and I alas you're on the mac to basically said we're never going to do anything they really make games easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► or possible to bring this platform and in a competitive way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► IOW less games came there anyway for other reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► and Apple found themselves in the position of all of a sudden being in or in a really pretty powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► and pretty important position in the in the gaming world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► and the way they've treated it since then has really just been kind of patronizing like Game Center is is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► and just like the the mediocrity of the game center is together with the design that it had first instilled with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► and stuff like every game that I have in the game center integration it makes it worse like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► when I play the better I'll get a notification letter press and someone's moved and then I will you know swipe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1973">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► and letterpress will be the from us app like I'm not so I the only notification I'm to swiping to reveal at a press of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► the front was up and I get to there and stare at it and like oh well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► So there was a move but I don't see yet and my solution is always you know the home button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► and then go back into letter press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► and then may do a lot of the moves like stuff like that it's like no progress indication long waiting times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► and notification comes through but the game doesn't know about it yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► I mean it's great that Lauren didn't have to write all this code himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► and it probably really helped him get out a game that was popular and so it's good for developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► but as a player I hate it when the little games and a banner comes down and causes a hitching frame rate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► I hate it when Game Center tells me there's a move but I launch the game it doesn't show the movie me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► and I have no progress indication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► and there's so many games with integration like this that I can say well just because a developer didn't integrate with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► games that are properly it just makes games worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► Yeah it's always been it's been like this I get the feeling that Steve Jobs might have been like a Steve thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2031">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► Would use like cheesiness and kitsch to kind of patronize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► and then like to pay lip service to things they didn't really care about that that that they were being forced to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► or you know for some reason like they would try to appropriate you know the success of gaming to do their job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► What's this fun little game center really like. Everything kind it's hell like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► And not only was their heart not in but they don't really like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► And it just it I don't know if it resulted in this attitude that that was very clearly like obviously Steve doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► give a crap about games and that shows in the product right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► and it seems in all the changes in Apple you know in the last few years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► I don't I haven't seen anything during games change for the better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► I think they're trying it's just that like they don't know the right things that it would be as if the music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2094">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► application or whatever the thing that you play music on your on your i O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► Device as if it had a theme like a music room and there was like a little bit tons for conducting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► and there were as you know those little musical staff and a little guy with a tuxedo as the conductor. And then like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► And they understand they understand it so much more like it's it's not just the theme it's the idea that there needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► be this kind of window dressing like the games are a diversion and like you know almost every happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► or here is the photo op is more serious like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► Enter Sam like photos are important things we were not going to sort of put like a weird photo theme on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► and I was on this help of that a lot like the old ones were a little bit more skeuomorphic and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► but it's just the whole idea that gaming as a realm needs to have some different treatment because games are this other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► thing and no one is really seriously Indian whereas music is like oh you're really into music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► and you would never want to screw up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► We want to show the album our day we want to have a nice efficient application because music is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2155">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► When you write to be powerful and have you know increase the capability to get your music anywhere enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► and show people enjoying it and games it's like I mean there are there are casual gaming companies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► when they show people playing games they're like you know shaking their i Pod Touch around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► and some kid is playing some little game well look at that car room room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► but Game Center itself doesn't doesn't acknowledge how serious and one important part of people why that's not right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► I think i Books kind of an acknowledge how important books are in people's lives because they're kind of like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► bit of that with the old version of I look any way a little bit of the you have to feel like you're in an old musty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► library or the wise books on count one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► and you know it's Game Center it's very much about compartmentalization it's like let's let's take this world of games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► that's happening all around us accidentally and we're going to we're going to clean all this mess up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► and just kind of show in this drawer over here that all you game think you can stay in here we don't really want you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► you know seep out. Same thing with NEWSSTAND. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► NEWSSTAND is exactly in the same position if not even worse because you know it's you know Apple's like OK well we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► this you know we will benefit of magazine and newspaper people but make their apps here instead of making websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► and you know will benefit from that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► and you know we want to we want to like you know look good for our platforms we're going to make this little news stand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► there is exactly the same thing like this like this like cheesy kitschy like condescending skeuomorphic ism that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► started out you know in previous versions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► and then in seven it really didn't get a lot better it just it actually in many ways NEWSSTAND is significantly worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► and I and just you know that there's no more wouldn't shelves but it's now it's like even more invisible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► And it's like Apple just like takes the things that they don't want to really see that they don't want to to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► prominent and creates areas for them to be segregated and tucked away and hidden. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2275">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► Because they don't you know to them it's like this is the slick sloppy dirty juvenile or you know evil world of games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► or magazines respectively. Yeah and I was not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► It is a platform for certain kinds of games but it's not for the kinds of games the Nintendo does well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► and those are the type of games I like to play like you know console games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► and how games are games that are really deep really rich that after sickle controls that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► and the arguments me may be a separate thing entirely because that's the industry is to experimenting with the are now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► And Sony's got their own headset coming out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► and intend could possibly do something interesting in that direction we don't know how well that's going to work out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► Is Apple going to have headset support for as I was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► Maybe they will maybe that'll be the way you know games are going to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► but for now all eyes games are things where you tell your device you touch your screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► and that is a fairly narrow range of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► and the games that have traditionally been attendance on the market all platforms are still really popular Just look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2334">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► the sales numbers or the Playstation four X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► Box One people still want to play them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► and you can't play them on i OS devices so it's like why should Apple be interested in getting that serious about games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► when it doesn't have a hardware platform you can play them on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► I mean someday if they wake up in the side turn Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► Into the M Council maybe they will have something going on there but that hasn't happened so far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► Well even like last year they added the the game controller framework Tyla seven which lets other. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► It's like they they could have just like gone the extra step made their own official controller attachment for their i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► Phones or and i Pod touch is like why didn't they do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► and the answer I think is because they just don't care that much or they weren't that confident the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► or you know whatever the case may be they didn't want to bother with that they didn't want to like tarnish their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► product line with his Cheel game controller attachment they want. OK we'll we will make an A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► That will of course you know if you want to make your own you can and of course you have to pay us to make your own. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2394">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► But that's another thing entirely and of course the reality which anybody could told them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► Anybody who has ever played video games ever in their life could have told them if the first party vendor doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► like an official hardware add on nobody will buy it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► Even official hardware add ons like the connector like Usually those fail like that like you know there was like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► like was touted as the third to excell Sega CD The Jaguar CD attachment the turbo graphics CD attachment all these like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► all these hardware add on things in the old console world that almost all failed. Well not all of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► The little most memos the memory pack for the nine hundred sixty four effort without all that came with Perfect Dark. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► Yeah but they bundled over the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► and the same thing with a rumble back then bonnet bun bun over Starfox the like I mean even the connect the connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► you know the original connect that had a pretty pretty good sell through for peripherals like people made gains the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2454">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► support of the Connect which is fairly unprecedented like you know that was remarkable and very unusual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► and what it was you know third like dance games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► and stuff that you couldn't do without the connect they weren't bundled with the connect you have to buy to connect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► them by that a lot of people were like I think Apple would be overjoyed if I can crawl out of there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► But anyway it would be Have you ever seen anyone using one of those controllers that had shown I was I was I've still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► never seen one in the wild and so that makes me think that they're not selling a lot of those devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► and the long games that like require them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► or take advantage of them like none of those are really like I don't even know if it's financially feasible to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2492">TS</a>]
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00:41:43 ◼ ► and then the other problem is the economics of the App Store are such that I mean there's lots of that could be a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► a whole show of discussing the problems of economics in the App Store for developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► but in this particular area one of the problems is if you make a game that requires a gamepad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2514">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► You've cut down your market size so substantially that you know I suppose one percent of of i Phone sold in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► year. You know one percent of those have also bought the pads. That's probably extremely optimistic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► But the numbers nowhere near that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► But let's say it was one percent well that means you're also cutting your audience down you know by ninety nine percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► by making it requires it in a market where the only way to make any money at all is through massive volume. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► That's that's a terrible it's a terrible situation it's never going to catch on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► It reminds me of the other story that I learned to really know if you have heard about that Microsoft has unbundle at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► making a version of the X. Box One that you can buy without the connector. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► Yeah I've heard that and that's kind of a shame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► but it's kind of a man in the face of Sony's sales I guess they thought they had to do something I believe they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► still keeping the skews that have a bundle but they want to make a cheaper one without it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► Bottom line is not a lot of games are coming out that require the connect that are compelling enough for someone to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2575">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► want to pay an extra hundred dollars for the council. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► They're like all right well here's a version of us shave some money off the price. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► You don't have to buy the connect with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► and it's kind of a shame because I think that the Connect was an interesting idea I think the second version of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► and you could do interesting things with it it's just that because they are selling so much fewer consuls than Sony is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► they feel like they have to make this move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► and it's really like I don't I don't know how I feel about it because in many respects like if they had just launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► in every country instead of launching in Sony's away more countries now I think think Microsoft like thirteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► and something like fifty or something like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► If they roll out to be an equal geographically maybe the race would have been closer in terms of sales numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► and they could have stayed the course but instead because they're behind they they want to have a way to catch up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► But once you open that door once you say that. Possible is any X. Box one out there without the connect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► Forget about in this generation having some game that some of going to tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2643">TS</a>]
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00:44:11 ◼ ► connectors because like Marco said Now all of a sudden you have to look at the ratio used to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► I could sell it to one hundred percent of the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2656">TS</a>]
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00:44:19 ◼ ► and I was like most ninety nine percent ninety eight percent ninety seven like depending on how that's Q. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► Sells without the connect the numbers probably is going to go down and down and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► and also in the console world it's very important to be cross-platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► You know these games having such massive budgets to be competitive. If you can't be on Playstation and X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► Box It's going to hurt pretty big time. That's going to hurt a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► Well they can I damn sure are trying to be the exclusives like you know yeah of course you can pour the same please no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► one else has the amazing connection same thing with Sony was V.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► If Microsoft doesn't have a V R headset and Sony does Sony gotta get people to make our games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► or ports the airports of games and those are not going to be able to be on the Microsoft counts on the Sony. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► Again if you sell the most hardware you're in the power positions like who cares if you can put your game on my cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► are going to turn those consuls we had sold X. Number of million councils you're doing fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► Nintendo can't even get those people answer their calls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► and Microsoft tries to make that same argument for the connectivity like we look at how well connected himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► and to the previous generation and the current plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► and it's not just about addressable market it's about the fact that no one has found a way to make a game that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► sell millions of copies for you know they can act like I hope Microsoft keeps trying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► I hope what they've done can combine with the our stuff can combine with the Game Pad stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► The Nintendo's done like they're the makings of a great next generation gaming experiences down the line with old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/2737">TS</a>]
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00:50:04 ◼ ► and we'll talk about the ones that we think are worth not worth talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► and then we'll just blow by the ones that we don't think are very interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► So with that in mind in the yes column health book monitor heart rate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► and the ode to level I'm not sure why it's VO to I'm assuming it's auction level isn't a virtue unless unless it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► fat fingered C O two level anyway. Hydration levels sleep in steps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► What do you think I mean I think there's been enough smoke around the health book thing that it's probably correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► I agree you know the details of which things are included I mean steps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► and sleep can both be tracked by motion that's easy you know hydration hydration to a heart rate that would require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► some kind of extra sensor that we don't know about yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► So that's that's probably a question mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► or maybe not we know about it it's going to be the ear buds that I know I know I'm kidding as opposed to this e-mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3056">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► which is in fact a lease or if there's a random person to type things into a feedback for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► Yeah exactly that for the record I was kidding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► and you know it's funny because I would say the health book thing is plausible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► The details of it we don't really know for sure but it's certainly plausible to talk about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► and to think how one of their strategies to get them out of the funk was going to be health related apps which seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► be everyone seems to be doing this these days the fact that we have the knowledge of the networking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► and the last piece we need is the sensors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► and Fitbit has been sort of the spearhead into this into health monitoring for individuals it seems to be reasonably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► popular and have positive results are people so Apple getting into it doesn't surprise me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► and of course of all seeing all the screenshots of the health book looking appen stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► This is just an I with a wish list so we can talk about whether Apple's going to have a device like this where they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► going to launch this kind of like the M seven without any. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3116">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► Accompanying hardware it's like Oh well our phone has this they need the eyes and so on and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► and third parties will make sensors for it or they can integrate with the i Watch later or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► but I think it's a pretty sure bet that some health monitoring stuff is going to be in Iowa state software wise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► I agree and I'm very curious to see what sensors if any will be provided for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► and by the way real time follow up V O two is apparently a Robet capacity Thank you Katie Healy friend of the show of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► it's for volume right so thank thank you Katie Healy. Next transit in maps in the maps app in the Apple Maps app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► I would suspect this would be something they would do because they got being done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► or that they continually getting done it but I think we talked about maybe it wasn't us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► but somebody talked about on the podcast I was into about how hard that is because to normalize all this disparate data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► across a gazillion cities across the planet is not an easy task [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► and given that Apple does so well with normalizing all the data on their maps themselves. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► Really too confident they're going to get this right but it seems plausible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► I think that's something that they want to do whether they are ready in time like I think they're more cautious about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► rolling out something half baked at this point but specially in maps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► Yeah on the on the maps effort Apple seems committed and they did not have a good initial showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► and hopefully they're learning that the only way to do this is to do a Google does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► You're not well in the ocean but you're blowing pretty darn big lake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► and that's where they have to end up doing you've got to put bodies in the ground you've got to put resources towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► this. It's a super big pain. You can't half ass it you got it. There's no there's no shortcut. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► So and the trans is like oh the shortcut will be just have third parties do is a third party opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► and people like No we don't like that shortcut. Google has strengths. You don't you suck so. So I really hope. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3231">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► That this is true that they're working on transit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► As for whether it's ready in time for it to see an ounce meant I'm not sure yet on device Siri that I would love to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► that so I assume what that what this means is that the dictation would take place on the device which Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► and Windows Phone already do and so do Macs actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► and just not I was devices yet there's still no way to do it in Iowa. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► That's right as far as I know however isn't the download on O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► Ten something like a little shy of a gig Yes like a hundred megs so given that Apple is ridiculously obsessed with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► and sixteen gig devices really I mean that seems like that be a lot of space to take up on some devices that really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► Well it would probably be an optional download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► and just like that it just like it is a mac because I like how many people actually would would care enough to use that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► but for those people it would be really nice to have you can need to concentrate on getting their server side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3297">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► implementation up to snuff before worrying about adding another embolization to the mix. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► Like the problem a series not that O. Does everything of the Never. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► Because for from people like that the size of data that is transfer is not that big as the server is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► responsive. They have to be available they have to respond quickly you can't you know talk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► Record something sent to the server wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► and get a response to say oh yeah forget it we can talk to the server sorry about that try again later. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► and so I don't think that experience of going to a server it would be all that terrible if it just worked reliably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► So hopefully that's where they're concentrating their effort I don't use Syrian have to know whether it's getting worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► or better or whatever but any time that fails for one of those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► Yeah you said a bunch of stuff and we recorded it but we couldn't connect the dots. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► Yeah I know you have a net connection just didn't work out sorry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► Any time that happens is bogus and I'm not ready for them to say well actually we have a second implication. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3353">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► All on device and you know I do worry about the network in just the way about memory usage and storage area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► and whether this on device thing works against another area where Google's had a Google has on device stuff working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► and their servers respond faster. So this list reads more like a list of areas where Apple needs to improve. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► I guess as a wishlist like every area where the need to improve. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► They should improve in all those areas but by that I don't see them going for on device Siri. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► I would rather see them address the server side stuff because I don't think it's that crazy for phones anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► That aside yes it's also so I don't worry about it it's you know we'll get the data through it's not a lot of data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► We'll just make sure our servers are all available on fast. Yeah I mean it's really it would be nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► I mean I would prefer they dig us both really having having on device dictation like you know have the servers still do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► the smarts of like OK we know what you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► but then what do you mean by that like that's that's obviously an area where the server side of the structure could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3417">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► benefit a lot from from continue to be server side with those resources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► and with you know just updating the information that it has and and learning and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► and that's that's very much like a big data problem then you begin to do it the actual dictation while dictation does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► benefit from the big data approach you can also do a pretty good job just having something local. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► As you know by using using all the Dragon stuff. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► Any more RAM for that as I think as you point out like that's hardware wise I mean the excuse is always been well more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► RAM requires more power and it's a bad thing and blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► but she's like forget about the storage would have already complained about sixteen thirty two sixty four eternal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► You've already got around these devices you got like people it's just sun acceptable one gigabyte is not enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► And so having more RAM and they can deal with the battery stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► I think that would open the door for on device we're talking about one device like I'll just figure out the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3475">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► The text version of what you said and it's an attack stuck to a server which is even lower bandwidth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► and it can do the smart stuff figuring out what you mean by those words right next notification center revamp more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► cereal like Google Now and less a list of notifications. Boy I would hate this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► So where does the list not of patients go. Yeah agreed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► The last thing that a vacation center needs is for Apple to be more clever about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► They need to become less clever about it simplify it just give me a a just straight list of notifications would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► better than what it is now without the confusing like all vs missed and then something's going to disappear forever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► No you don't know how many times does a notification appear on your device and you do so whatever the wrong thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► and you say what did the notification say again like oh sorry sucker you're never to see that again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► Try to find the notes because there are no is it in Mr No he didn't miss it you saw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► and then it went away you know it's not they can be clever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► but try to explain to somebody like I saw a word appear on my screen but now it's gone where is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3537">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► and it's a hard problem like I you know it's trying to be smart about it like I just think they can it can't be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► well it's the kind of thing that it sounds cool on paper it'll make for an interesting keynote as you know as you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► and with Cortana like you see the other platforms doing this in practice it's really hard to make that right all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► time it's you know the classic AI problem is like it tries to be smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► but a lot of times that that's not really what you wanted and it's very frustrating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► and it's transparently against notification overload because if you did just do the dumb linear list like a very close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► and people would start ignoring it like they're trying to strike a balance between just show you what's important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► and get rid of it when you've already seen it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► and don't ever present like this humongous list that you have to scroll through to look because sometimes you look at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► lot of notifications and like that that's how I would do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► Like if you look on the mac on Anakin of Haitian center it groups by application similar I.O.'s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► but like they can just stick around forever until you can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► It's very annoying actually and you can kind of see like OK well that's that's one approach that's kind of weird. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► I think what would actually be best if unification center to just be one combined timeline of notification so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► whatever order you receive them whatever order you saw them in on the lock screen whatever order they came in there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► list that shows those same ones in that same order and maybe has a blue dot next to them right ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► but they're still there even after they're read they're still on the list. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► I don't see I don't I can't come up with any better alternative that's better all around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► Every every When you come up with like well it's good for this use case but it's bad for these three use cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► and it's if you just give it one big list. I think that's probably the least crappy option. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► I think they need to have that thing you're describing accessible somehow I'm not sure I need to be the thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► people's faces but we're like oh you need like streams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► or like streams that was a big trend back in the whatever ninety's maybe two to conceptualize. I once met a blogger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3653">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► Your use of a computer. It was so weird. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► By time rather than by file name or application or project or anything like that so that anything you've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► or done on your computer you just scroll back through time was kind of like The Time Machine U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► But you know it's just cross cutting across everything like web pages you've seen e-mail that you've read things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► messages that you've sent and you can just go throw back your time and see things that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► and what you're talking about is a sort of Lifestream view of your interaction with notifications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► and I think that should be accessible because if you can find some things I'll just go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► or whatever they'd come up with some buzzwords or hell they can call I stand there on it and hears everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► and just go back to it and you will see the events of the day as then folded. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► This is when the message came in and then you read it and then you know you replied and you did this you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► but I don't know if that needs to be the thing in the person's face because with the trying to do is make it so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► don't feel overwhelmed by notifications by making them go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► No way that's why they have the Miss thing in the all thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► and I think that does make for a better experience in till like the like O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► One of the things say let me just go to the life stream and look at it shouldn't they lived in with a terrible name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► But that's what that's how people use text messages all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► and it's fine like text messages are one giant chronological list totally unsorted just you know just by time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► but it's by person by person though that oh yeah OK that's fair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► But still going to so many people who like they need to get a piece of information out of the text messages like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► that's the only place it lives and they just they can just scroll up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3754">TS</a>]
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01:02:40 ◼ ► and that's like three divisive messages. Well yeah but the other category and they're right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3760">TS</a>]
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01:02:51 ◼ ► when you scroll that we just pull those messages down and you know their dream right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3771">TS</a>]
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01:03:19 ◼ ► the other devices oftentimes will receive that same new text message but generally speaking nothing does any beeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3799">TS</a>]
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01:03:47 ◼ ► and I haven't clicked back to the messages window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► but messages has actually been working pretty well for me in this sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► but I agree that in every other capacity it would be kind of new. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3836">TS</a>]
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01:04:59 ◼ ► or whatever then they could just make him prove that framework over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► and applications that use that framework would do the right thing in clearing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► Initially Apple's own I could be a private framework probably for a couple releases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► and who knows maybe they have a framework that supposed to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► but it seems crappy like we're all talking about situations where because your messages window is hidden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► or because it was it was in the front but you were looking in a different window. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► It didn't go off on your i was device then you may have. I have better luck getting messages in the web interface to G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► Mail you know the little chat messages that come up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► I have missed fewer of those than I have missed I messages from my wife likes to send them from her phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► and I'll get the first one out of the caisson center and a quick on and a lot of messages and I conversed with her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3936">TS</a>]
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01:05:45 ◼ ► and if you like what injury spawn of that one I didn't see it on my device because it wasn't there his message is open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3945">TS</a>]
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01:05:51 ◼ ► but it didn't even like about the icon wanted something like It's not they have they don't have it yet so I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► have a long way to go there. Think this item for Iowa State Iowa say will fix this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► Well not inquire not wrong unless it has a cooperation with the new version of R.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3963">TS</a>]
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01:06:11 ◼ ► Yes I would like this to make it so but it's not it's a benefit of more than a simple invasion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/3971">TS</a>]
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01:07:47 ◼ ► The sample they sent me is completely gone because it was good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► I've been very very good about milking mine so to speak. But but it is very good and very awful wall which is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4072">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► Kind of refreshing. It isn't cool company. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► Actually I should be honest my foot my sample was actually gone before we even recorded last week's show yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► Thanks for continuing this list that at this point absolutely confirms that it's a wish list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► and not a birdie telling us something they know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► Unlimited photo stream and unlimited just like unlimited bandwidth from eight hundred eighty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► Everything in tech that claims to be unlimited that's always true right. Totally. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► Well I think sometimes like think about it. Back place for instance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► Yeah that's they actually manage to do it they say it's unlimited. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► Maybe it's not maybe if I had like three hundred terabytes a song come to my house and talk to him personally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► but so far like I have multiple I have multiple terabytes there I mean maybe they're relying on the fact the you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► Is you know how long would it take you to upload like a petabyte of data it's like you know it would take a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► but so far I haven't had a back with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► but it's probably also like use like the law of averages like my mom's computer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► I back up everything I possibly can back up from that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► It's thirty seven gigs like it's like I'm paying the same for thirty seven gigs they're paying for want to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► terabyte on my desktop for the stream they don't have that same van though because I think people just keep taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► and they you know it's not like the data there's some turnover like you know you're going to I don't know with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► turnovers and data they had maybe people delete their email after time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► or I just feel like a grows nearly like maybe people aren't putting their photos and into Photoshop or whatever anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► or not yes we all want photo stream to be better we had many bad shows about describing how frustrating it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► every picks gone everything that Apple in taking up the baton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► and saying Don't worry you know how many pictures you take we'll take care of keeping them safe for a fee for not a fee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► like these give us an option at this point your options are not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4195">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► Great and no one company is ready to take care of your photos forever or even try to make that promise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► I really think this is the kind of am and you know we've talked at length about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► The prompt has talked at length about this even more so than us I think which is saying a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► I think this is one of those things like Apple has to be the one to offer the photo solution finally leads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► I actually am not that confident they will but I think I think that's what needs to happen long term. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► I really do and there are so many question marks about how they would do that and if they would do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► To me I think the biggest question mark is still video what do you do with video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► and the answer is probably just a minute from photo stream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► or severely down sample it so it fits within like the one minute sending limit stuff like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► But overall I just think like if you look at how people actually use these devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► and what people's expectations of their data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4256">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► and its safety actually are I don't see any other solution that would actually be a good long term. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► Apples have to do it and they have to find a way to to do it and pay for it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► and you know there are there are some shortcuts they can take that could substantially cut down on the cost in data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► volume like for instance just don't store you know obviously don't support Ra's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► and stuff from desktops just don't store the full quality. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► Like if you if they store every picture quality forty of almost nobody will ever be able to tell I don't like that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► don't need to store the for quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► when I wasn't really solving the problem I don't want crappy quality versions of the pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► and I can say that oh don't worry your all your devices went up in smoke in your house burned down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:42 ◼ ► but we've got a really crappy call you have it's not like they were. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► Now there's a there's a lot of headroom in the Jeep for I like it for goodness sake herders there is a ton of headroom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► you can get the quality down really small like you know not you know you're not going to bring a full you know folks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4312">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► Hammer size picture down to you know sixty killed by its or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► but you can bring it down from you know what's what's what's in and what's a payoff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4323">TS</a>]
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01:12:09 ◼ ► or five megs only that somewhere around there you could easily bring it down to one meg or less and be very. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► And be transparent almost anybody you know just like you can on a CD. Yeah you can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4338">TS</a>]
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01:12:41 ◼ ► and it's going to get more and more reasonable over time because voters are not getting bigger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► At the same rate that storage is getting cheaper at this point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► I think so hopefully this will solve of actually a more realistic wishlist item for this would be what we also talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► You know a lot of these allow it to match the size of the device for a reasonable price instead of being though you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4376">TS</a>]
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01:13:17 ◼ ► purchase help you towards I climb back up for them you know what we really need is if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► and I don't think they'd ever do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► but did a unified backup solution so you've got backups of your i Devices as big as they are used much as you want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► You know Time Machine now can refer to either a local drive and or the Apple you know Mobile Me cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► or something like that. Photo stream goes on either forever more or considerably longer than it does right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► I just I could just see how that would be so awesome and I would pay so much money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4436">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► To just be able to in one place or pay one entity to make all of these backup problems go away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► All right next on the wish list is auto downloading and updating i O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► I don't see how that would really be feasible without Doesn't it already I don't download it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► Well here's here's one problem when like my mom can't upgrade i OS seven yet isn't a free space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► and it needs like you know eight hundred megs on and she doesn't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► and what I have to tell her to get that is well if you want to do that you have to like delete all your photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► basically killing eight gig i Phone four is like no space on there then this is the one that you told her expressly not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► to buy. Yes it is. Have you reminded her of that fact. Every time I see her. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► And how is that going over for you know it's starting to not go over that well anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► Yeah yeah it's an eight gig i Phone four so it's the best of everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4494">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► Anyway so I don't see that as an that's impossible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► It would it would anger so many people to have their phones automatically update to like a major Oh S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► Imagine if i OS seven was an automatic hit like not to the meltdown of the if it just automatically installed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► or your phone is charging one night I think that's coming just not in Iowa state the distant future. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► The infinite version. Jeff I would blog post Chrome is already auto updating you have no choice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► No Jeff Atwood thing is it's going to be written in Java Script now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► or not that the other wrote a blog post about it called the internet version about the trend of software that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► dubbed it self and you just accept it because the way it works now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► and that's the way you know that's a totally apple know when that day comes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► It would happen and you just deal with it you know I mean as it happened. Web Apps but people get pretty angry at that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► So like any time Facebook ever changes anything like half the world explode I think they can make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4554">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► The default and people would just accept it like you know it and maybe that I ready for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► and I say they don't think this is going to happen and I say it but you know I was fifteen I would bet on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► All right. Separate game store from App Store. I would love that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► I think you'd be nice some of you know happen like because if you if you look at the App Store now and yeah I agree. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► I don't think of the chance of it happening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► I just wish it would happen because generally speaking I think if your browsing the App Store you probably have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► probably have one of those things in mind like looking for a game right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► or be looking for something else something non-game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► What that would do to have store browsing would be pretty substantial and it wouldn't all be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► when you know if you think about it if games had their own top charts assuming Apple's going to keep the top chart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► which I still think they shouldn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4616">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► I think the the top apps ranking lists are very destructive to quality of software and economics and so many things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► I think they're very very bad for a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► But Apple seems seems to be pretty committed to keeping them by their inaction so assuming they're going to keep the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► the topless in the store having games have their own complete topless like not just this one category with this little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► subcategories in the in the real app store have it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► If you give it like it's own entire store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► and then it has a completely different standard for like editorial you know what's new in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► or the the topless all that stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► It will have and to have more granular categories not they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► but it be nice if they would stuff like that that would be great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► And then in the in the newly separated app store with no games in it it would be a lot easier to find apps because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► wouldn't have all the charts and lists and features because of games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4676">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► The problem I think is that first of all very few people can you know relatively speaking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► Most people just visit the game store in the App Store would be pretty pretty abandoned by by most customers I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► and that might not be a bad thing anyway because like you know how many of them are actually going to be after looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► for a new game to play and ended up buying like your P.D.F. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► App like really like they're really having a lot of might but I don't know I would guess not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► And then your problem would be you know how do you like how do you enforce the difference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► Like if you're if you're an app that has like a game type element but you're a very useful productivity app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► Also would you put yourself in the game store to get more visibility. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► What Apple does allow that how would they judge certain apps that are kind of like like kind of on the borderline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► between like is this an apparatus a game so I think overall it would it would have a few problems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4734">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► Apple could overcome that if they wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► but I just think the chance of them doing this are so low because it would be a massive change to the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► and if there's one thing Apple has shown us over the last six seven years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► or however long it's been it's that they don't really care to make massive change to the App Store Whether they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► or they choose not to I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► But one of those things either they can choose not to and it's very very clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► and I'm expecting no substantial changes to the App Store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► Yeah I I don't know I feel like at some point they're going after a pisser get off the pot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► when it comes to that is not the metaphor because I mean well I'm trying to be polite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► and polite so they don't get out of trying to play fly control or get off the pot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► Next they're they're going to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► and I concurred that I don't think that this is going to be the time for that for them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4794">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► but I just I don't I don't understand why the outward all outward indication is Apple just does not give a crap that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► all of their best of all of their best third party developers really are getting out of this enfranchise this rightward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► begetting grumbling about about the ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► and friend of the show underscore David Smith had a really really good episode of developing perspective that if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► remember will put the show notes that it wherein he talks about kind of how the prevailing feeling in the community is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► very pessimistic and way more pessimistic than it's been in a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► and I agree with him completely that there's a lot of grumbling going on a lot more than usual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► and I don't know not that it all comes down to the store but you know you put a little money in everyone's pockets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► and typically everything looks a little bit better as a result. So we'll see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4857">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► I don't know how much separating the game store from the App Store is really going to help I know it'll help make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► anything other than a game stand out a little bit more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► But I think we've got much much bigger much more fundamental problems than that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► I mean here's here's the problem the way I see it that if you look at the people who are actually complaining it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► small potatoes for the most part it's people like us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► It's you know it's people like underscore it's people who are in like the like Apple geek blogger community. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► You know people who read they're in Fireball basically those people are complaining. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► But if you look at what's actually in the App Store all those people who are on those top lists they're probably go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► look we're fine this is great. Like our arc our community has always complain about the App Store from day one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► They were you know we were complaining about some different things back then but it was mostly the same. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4915">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► There's always been we've always been complaining about this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► and if they fix some of the issues we have we will complain about different ones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► So I don't actually think it's that different now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► Now there's just you know some of the some of the directions that the App Store was taking at the beginning like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► like the race to the bottom in pricing like some of those have just played out further then than they were at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► beginning but I think for the most part the same it's the same group complaining with the same complaints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► and I don't know how much Apple cares about that because you know what I was saying earlier about how how they kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► you know put Game Center stuff and NEWSSTAND stuff like they put these they like in a drawer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► and just kind of forget about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► I think that's how they see apps like the into I think that's how they see the entire third party development community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► but the same kind of feeling where it's like we're going to have this this major community here that we kind of just we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4972">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► have to deal with them because of market forces like we we have to interact with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► but we're going to try to compartmentalize it as much as possible and kind of patronize it to the degree we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► and just kind of you know I don't know just just kind of like show of all these people together in this way that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► and get them out of our face so we can keep doing our pristine stuff over on the side of the fence like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► And I know this doesn't represent everybody who works at Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► There's a lot of great people there who try to make developer's lives better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► but the actions of the company as a whole indicated that's what they think of us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► And that has been that has been the case for the entire history of the App Store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► and I don't really see a pressing need for to change because from if you look at it like from the from the super hype [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► executives point of view you look at it like from Tim Cook or from Phil Schiller who I think the absolute. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5034">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► Actually under Schiller's reign I think but I'm not entirely sure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► It doesn't matter who it was rant on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► or if you look at it from their point of view they can every you know every quarter they can point to some number like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► Look here's how much we paid to developers overall we're doing great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► We have all these apps in our store people keep buying them or people keep putting coins into candy whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► and it's fine there's no problems if that metric based approach though is what annoys me the most because they get up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► there and they say they have these numbers to say here's how many billions of dollars we gave to developers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► Here's how many apps we have in the store and let me show you this awesome app that that is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► and if they lay them all out like that you're like well be outsourced grave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► or they don't realize is the awesome at this great sells nothing all that money is from bilking a bunch of whales out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► of money for an app purchases for crappy games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► and a number of apps in the store is high because millions of keyword spam clone piece of crap things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► and like those three numbers are big on their own. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► But like Together they don't make an app store filled with awesome games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► and developers making a lot of money you know I mean and I don't know if they know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► or if they think they just look at their metric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► and say that matters could that matter to you that Matter is good therefore the App Store is good because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► when they see these games like this happen it's beautiful happy use for medical imaging or that sells like ten copies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► Known by everyone is that everyone is buying candy crush and getting their money sucked out of their pockets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► And there's so many many billions that's we have we have more apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► Yeah they're all crap like we just it's what we're all complaining about is because we want we realize that those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► things are so different we want there to be a store with lots of good high quality apps made by developers who get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► fair price for them and the customers who are satisfied by them and not have the apps that are that exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► but the individual metrics are the numbers look good right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► and I really wonder whether they are fooled by those numbers or whether they just bring those numbers out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► and say well this makes good for good P.R. but We know internally there's a bunch of problem. That's a good question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5156">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► But if we know internally there's a bunch of problems. We've had a lot of time for those problems to get fixed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► And Marcos right there's been a decided lack of action. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► So what point do we just throw our hands in the air and say you know what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► This is obviously the way it is and was have to live with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► I mean some a lot of it like if you look at the App Store it's obviously built on the same infrastructure as the i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► Tunes store and the i Tunes store has the exact same issues where it doesn't really change very often it doesn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► It's if you look at in-store today versus the i Tunes Store in two thousand and eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► when after was launched it's it has not changed much you know about the range of ninety nine dollars can put a song up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► there. The use of the same title to be on say song and trying to make money by device only buying it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5204">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► That's true but I would probably isn't that different actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► but anyway you know it's it seems like anything that involves the i Tunes Store infrastructure for whatever reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► whether it's a technical political whatever the reason is it's like it's frozen in time an Apple can never meaningfully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► improve it or they just choose not to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► And and I don't know what that like you know a front for every oh Casey our friend. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► but forever ago our friend told us a number of times that like the i Tunes store is not run by Apple it's run by some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► contractor in Virginia something like that and I don't know if that's true or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► but you know if that is true it explains a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► but either way it just seems like Apple doesn't care that much about the i Tunes store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► or they're paralyzed by some kind of technical debt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► They haven't repaid or choose not to repay it and just can't change anything about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► or whatever whatever reason they don't even think about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:45 ◼ ► They're paralyzed by the success in terms of like the volume like what some of those numbers they tried out how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5265">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► apps are there how many things are downloaded how many bytes how many songs and those numbers are so big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:55 ◼ ► and any interruption in that is so you know like you know this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5275">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► It should be something that a company can handle doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► but I think that as the biggest thing they have the biggest online thing that money comes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► and data goes out is basic app store and i Tunes Store combined right. That's their biggest thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► If your plan is we're going to totally change that thing and your organization feels nervous about your you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► and not so common about your ability to deploy a sort of web scale Google scale services you can be like my bonus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► depends on not being down on Christmas morning and letting people set up their new devices and be able to buy apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:34 ◼ ► and I do things and this works for that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5314">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► but my good friend you need to convince yourself that the safe move is it a stick with the infrastructure you having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► keep improving it by bits and pieces. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► How long can Apple keep going with their web services feel like they're running on DOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► and everyone else's in this century. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► Yeah the longer they go the bigger it gets like if they did they would have the same feelings back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► when the i Tunes to buy the apps and didn't exist on the i Tunes store was half the size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:57 ◼ ► and now just the problem keeps getting bigger and bigger over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5337">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► and the longer they wait the harder it is to you know replace it with something better that also happens to work at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► Well you know I think we're always inside of the fact that it's only a matter of time before Web Objects has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► resurgence because clearly that's what's going to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► and I don't I don't even know if exposing the objects who knows that it doesn't they are they are really there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► The boy on the back end like we can see the U.R.L.'s and the web page but that could've been legacy your girls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► and probably not none of my extremely limited understanding influenced in part by friends of Bertie's in Bertie's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► occasionally it is all mostly Web Objects as far as I know it's not always objects in the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► and I don't know I mean it probably the language might not be the problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► I think it's pretty clear the problem is just cultural with an apple it's like the for whatever reason they just do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5391">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► To modernize these systems in a in a significant major way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► or two to make significant changes to the stores themselves or the way they work to benefit users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► and developers in a substantial way. They just they just don't care that that's the reality of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► Well I wonder if part of the reason they don't care is because from my understanding of the Google Play store that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► so full of I don't know if I should call it spam but full of things that probably don't belong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► and you can define that however you'd like. It's such a it's an even worse Wild West out there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► And so since nobody showing them up and making them look bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► And additionally since so many really hot apps are still on i OS first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► You know like Instagram's a great example which is quite old now but you know take Instagram. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► What's compelling Apple to make it better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5457">TS</a>]
01:30:59 ◼ ► A bunch of whining nerds talking on a pod cast that maybe none of them listen to anyway you know I just I don't I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5459">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► see what the impetus is to really make it better from their point of view. Yeah that's a good point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► I think we would all agree that they still have the best store as crappy as it may be probably the problems are worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► elsewhere and so I Apple Apple responds the competitive pressure Android getting better you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► If you look at past past Major I O. S. Versions look at the features they've added a lot of them have been an I O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► and that competitive pressure really has you know what Apple decided what's going to go on i OS five what's going to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► and competitive things like strategic as like oh we got to do maps around because we had Google now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► and you know notifications. Why do they get those why Android hadn't for a while. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► People one of them is that it isn't like you know Apple can add lots of different features to their O.S.'s very often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► choose to add ones that competitors had before them because competitive pressure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► And so who is making the better curated more. Isn't less spam filter caps or nobody I guess. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5516">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► Well there's that what is it. Fine D.O.F. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► Indeed I go to that now until I go into which other platform like any radio maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► or maybe a Windows phone because I have a lot of absolute all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► and there are like I don't know make fun of Windows Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► Right so back to this list which is longer with how long do we spend going through it the more I think it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► actually somebody with knowledge but anyway I think at this point it's pretty clear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:29 ◼ ► Instead of going to the next item is there anything in the remainder of the list that we think is interesting enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5549">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► talk about I think the one month other delete messages thing could be interesting as we you know we talked before as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► We talked before about you know the issue of people's text messages getting so big because what ends up happening is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► somebody messages you a photo that photo sticks around your messages forever until you delete that entire conversation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► Or I think you saw an individual items but nobody ever does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► So that photo sticks around forever and just takes up space on your device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► and so having having some kind of auto delete I think is a solution I don't think it's the solution I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► John you mentioned earlier is to store those things and i Cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► and just you know have some kind of retention where you know maybe you don't delete it maybe don't plea for is after a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► month maybe you keep somebodies photos for the last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► and just keep everything like people are going to use it's all like you know people they are going to use to mail the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► file back up with an email myself things like I don't think anyone's going to exploit it by saying just just send me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► through my message all the photos could have all star there forever it's just text mostly yes there's pictures in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► and just I just bite the bullet look the battery in these I was devices is going to run out in like three years this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► They're going to buy a new one because technology the advance thing they're going to give you more money to store our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► messages forever their text and plus a little bit of. Images John. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5636">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► You clearly never exchanged text messages with me because they are way heavy on the images and way light on the text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► and in total how many years since two thousand and seven you have a three gigs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:13 ◼ ► or something I forget what it was because I've since deleted most I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5653">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► but you have like three it's not that much like if you really need to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► It really needs to be I think people are willing to pay some sort of thing of like Apple keep all my stuff wherever in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► the default could be delete after a year or two years or something reasonable like that but yeah like Barbara said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► Deleting off a device is so primitive like there is only there was some other place we could protect like every Just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► when I get to the end of the scroll thing pull them down just like basic basic cloud stuff that we all take for granted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► us like Why of course Apple can't do that voters have to delete them off their devices when they get too old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:50 ◼ ► but that's the sad part. They can't like they were shown so many times they actually can't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5690">TS</a>]
01:34:56 ◼ ► It's embarrassing it's like what went through there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5696">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► They're one of the most they're certainly probably the most influential tech company in the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► They're one of the biggest one of the most successful I mean it's there they are on top of their game in so many ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► and yet once it comes to touching something on a server somewhere they just it's again it's like they're living in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► darkest days and certain certain parts there was great like the the push notification system is really good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► Demean maybe maybe like its first few months it might have had some problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:32 ◼ ► but it's been rock solid for me the entire time like most of they have with these couple of things that are amazing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5732">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► And then everything else is just like you know half assed crappy unreliable or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► or you know relevant to this part of the session just extremely limited in ways that would seem that would seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:54 ◼ ► archaic and too limited on the Internet ten years ago or built on a framework that like doesn't acknowledge. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5754">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► Existence of servers like to build on a framework the entirely a client side framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► and into some kind of like shimmer adapter to get it like it's not it's not sort of like a web native you know I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► Even even as native as you think of like a stupid infinites for a web page that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► when you get to the end it makes an Ajax request and pulls down some more data and sticks it in like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► No no we wouldn't that's too primitive We have a framework of laws of course it works only client side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► and if you want to bog down server side there's not even any good hooks for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5783">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► but you know they try to take something like a Lego a cord [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► and it will also make your garage cloud didn't work out all that great so far either so you know I'm not saying we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:36 ◼ ► to be web first and go there you eyes and H.T.M.L. and Javascript but everything every A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5796">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► They make every framework they make for dealing with data at this point should have some acknowledgement that it may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► useful for some or all of this data not to be local and build that into how the framework works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:53 ◼ ► Yeah you know what I just thought of is I've met a handful of Apple engineers maybe two hundred five and fifteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5813">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► and every single one of these people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► Firstly they're all software engineers and they're not they're not hardware engineers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► but every single one of these people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5830">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► I can't think of any that have been anywhere near servers and it's extremely anecdotal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► and not really representative of anything real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► but I don't know do you guys know anyone that works an apple on the server side no. Are there that many of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► I've talked I've talked to some people who have done work on the you know the back end for i Cloud dot mac type stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► but I mean that we talk about the same problem so many times like that it's just if you're going to do this type they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:46 ◼ ► just look at the client side Apple does the client side so well look at the things they do there and how they do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5866">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► and look at how they make new frameworks for solving problems and extend those for him or can support them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:55 ◼ ► and fix bugs in them and replace old ones with new ones and they build an infrastructure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5875">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► From the compiler all the way out for doing client side stuff very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► and they just you know it's just constant improvement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:06 ◼ ► Improving the language improving ID for in the compiler making new frameworks on and on and on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5886">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► There's no quibbling to that on the server side or there is we don't see it at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:16 ◼ ► Versus Google which does exactly that equals on the server side they have tools for storing data for synchronizing data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5896">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► tools for managing their data center on the hardware side. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:25 ◼ ► This is constant revision constant improvement every piece of infrastructure from the bottom up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5905">TS</a>]
01:38:29 ◼ ► That's all they do all day long all year like the whole company is built around that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5909">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► and Apple does that on the client side it's just that Apple doesn't invest in infrastructure on the server side in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:40 ◼ ► way that is visible to us on the outside it could be that they do all exactly the same things that Google does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5920">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► internally we just don't see it because why would anyone outside need to see these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► but I think that's part of the culture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:50 ◼ ► Why do we know about spanner and big table and produce because Google told us about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5930">TS</a>]
01:38:55 ◼ ► and shared their knowledge expertise in open source this stuff and protocol buffers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5935">TS</a>]
01:38:59 ◼ ► and like all these you know even Facebook with all its different projects in the H H B M and scribe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5939">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► and all of the stuff like that culture doesn't exist at Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► and I don't see how they're ever going to be competitive with those companies unless they get some of their religion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► I think it's like what I well I think summarize what I see from the outside. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► It's that Apple completely lacks muscle in the entire category of web services like you see like Apple is like pulling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:29 ◼ ► the industry forward when it comes to hardware design forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5969">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► and a lot of the software design as well if they're dragging the industry for that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► Look at how awesome we are we're going to force you all to keep up with us in hardware and software design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► and then it comes to things like was Services and the rest of the industry is doing that to Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:49 ◼ ► and Apple is just like being dragged along kicking and screaming like fine I guess I'll do the bare minimum. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5989">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► That might solve your problem in a web service. And it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/5995">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► They are they are only doing what's required not often not even that and just putting no similes to the front. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► Putting no heart into it no substantial effort. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► and beyond their just like to them it's just a checkbox like fine I guess we have to do something with the web service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► eventually Here you go there's no hustle there we don't see like there's never anything where they launch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:27 ◼ ► and then all of a sudden everyone else has to scramble to keep up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6027">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► You know Siri might have been one of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► but even then they got they got you know laughed pretty quickly after that it was like they they just completely lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► that hustle on the services and where they have it in other areas of their business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:46 ◼ ► but you just don't see that at all for services whereas then Google and Facebook and Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6046">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► but especially Google they're I think they're the best at this by far. Google just nailed that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► Google will destroy anybody with sheer server side hustle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► They're so good at it they just have like infinite server side engineering resources to to just beat everyone up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:14 ◼ ► with web service capabilities and advancements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6074">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► and new expectations have by other people by customers because of how awesome their web services are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► and you know Google does web services what Apple does with hardware design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► and Apple just seems to not want to close that gap at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► Someone on Twitter asked why we don't use a shared pages document for charlatans that we use the Google thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:39 ◼ ► and that's because I don't like the pages thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6099">TS</a>]
01:41:43 ◼ ► Like I looked at it again just to make sure that I still didn't like it when he did that and I quote Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6103">TS</a>]
01:41:49 ◼ ► and the pages created document open a new window resize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6109">TS</a>]
01:41:52 ◼ ► and it looks like a big you know word processing window from the one hundred ninety seven and I said Nope. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6112">TS</a>]
01:42:02 ◼ ► and you know I don't even notice that even support all the like you know somebody that it kind of multiple people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6122">TS</a>]
01:42:07 ◼ ► editing a document the same time a different colored cursor is that we take for granted in Google Docs which is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6127">TS</a>]
01:42:11 ◼ ► how old now I think it's supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6131">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► but I don't know that that's like that's it that's an example of like those apps may be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:19 ◼ ► but you know mind share wise I'm not doing a concert of them because I assume they're not great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6139">TS</a>]
01:42:23 ◼ ► and I assume are not reliable and interface wise they're trying to imitate a desktop application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6143">TS</a>]
01:42:28 ◼ ► and that that's not what I want out of a web application I want something I can open in a tab that we can all type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6148">TS</a>]
01:42:32 ◼ ► and at the same time in Google provided you know be open fast and reliable and won't do weird things in a work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6152">TS</a>]
01:42:37 ◼ ► and whatever browser I try to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6157">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► and they'll just build the creepy I mean whatever I like like that that the reason we're not using Pages I think your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:46 ◼ ► and you said you wanted I said no it's not because I hate Apple it's because I know Google Docs works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6166">TS</a>]
01:42:52 ◼ ► and it's reliable and like you know it's very difficult to gain that trust back even if you match [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6172">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► and even if you're better it's hard to gain that trust back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6177">TS</a>]
01:43:00 ◼ ► Likewise a very news Google Hangouts because because they work because it's a way that people can communicate with each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6180">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► other and Google enters this thing and has steadily improved it and people have learned that's a thing that works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:11 ◼ ► Everyone gets you know web browser if you can fit where brother works just get chrome. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6191">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► We know that all work not too hard to set up and they get the job done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:22 ◼ ► You know we'll see I don't I just at some point at some point Apple's got to take this seriously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6202">TS</a>]
01:43:28 ◼ ► and maybe they're taking it seriously already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6208">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► but they're going to show someone outside of Cupertino that progress is being made and it's not it's not Apple's M.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:41 ◼ ► To be self-deprecating or really admit things are wrong unless they're pretty sure thirty fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6221">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► but man some sort of not even STATE OF THE UNION but some sort of not that says hey guys this is pretty crummy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:58 ◼ ► But here. What we're doing here's what's coming which is exactly the sort of thing one would expect to see W.D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6238">TS</a>]
01:44:04 ◼ ► If that's if if that's a card up their sleeve but I don't know run a time on on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6244">TS</a>]
01:44:10 ◼ ► and we're actually kind of running on out of time on the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6250">TS</a>]
01:44:13 ◼ ► So let me scoot forward so your fallback was in the maybe category on this wish list that is appeared on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6253">TS</a>]
01:44:20 ◼ ► and off invaders of various versions of i O S N I have always loved it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6260">TS</a>]
01:44:25 ◼ ► and the first real problem violin music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6265">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► when I walk out of the office if I'm fiddling with my phone after my our offices on the third floor of the building as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► and eventually out of the building a lot of times my i Phone will try to cling to the office wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► and I'll be trying to peruse Twitter or something like that and I can't get anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:47 ◼ ► I don't get any response back because my phone is being too persistent clinging to why fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6287">TS</a>]
01:44:52 ◼ ► and there was a brief window of time like I said when when on a beta you could tell it you know just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6292">TS</a>]
01:44:57 ◼ ► and fall back to cellular if you not really get an answer quick enough in the multipath T.C.P. Is for I believe so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6297">TS</a>]
01:45:03 ◼ ► But now you're outside my wheel house I've heard of it but I'm not really sure about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6303">TS</a>]
01:45:08 ◼ ► And man I would love for that to come back and be a thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6308">TS</a>]
01:45:11 ◼ ► I think it's supposed to be in seven maybe it doesn't work as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6311">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► I don't know well and I think that and I'm waiting for John to correct me but I think T.C.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:23 ◼ ► but there's not supposed to be like two different you could you sailor wife I simultaneously for speed boost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6323">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► and I should look this up. Thanks love two or three sponsors this week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:32 ◼ ► Dash hover and nature box and we will see you next week. Now we believe it was accidental accidental. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6332">TS</a>]
01:46:01 ◼ ► And you are now sitting on the audience. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6361">TS</a>]
01:46:12 ◼ ► As I said to that list and he actually wrote down a couple things to look back and see if any is worthwhile. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6372">TS</a>]
01:46:45 ◼ ► So what we what are we going to do what are they going to do about interrupt indication. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6405">TS</a>]
01:46:49 ◼ ► I wasn't even on this person's wish list. He didn't care about it. You won't talk about that weird. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6409">TS</a>]
01:46:54 ◼ ► I always say it side by side and I've had thing that came up last week and I don't buy it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6414">TS</a>]
01:46:59 ◼ ► Toba next week's show will do like real predictions talk about the whole you know this is a good overview of Iowa State. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6419">TS</a>]
01:47:05 ◼ ► But we need to like you know say our announcements what software announcements you know just the whole nine yards Numac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6425">TS</a>]
01:47:12 ◼ ► and they held their last chance before they say for next week so I think we should save Iowa side by side as I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6432">TS</a>]
01:47:19 ◼ ► I think that's something that's you know well I don't know if it has any more credence than an anonymous e-mail that I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6439">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► didn't know was his name how would a nine to five Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► Yeah it's like that's the only reason he was even talking about it is it is Mark or Manhattan under five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:33 ◼ ► and he is a really good history like he is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6453">TS</a>]
01:47:36 ◼ ► He's a pretty reliable leaker of rumors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6456">TS</a>]
01:47:41 ◼ ► and that's exactly where he likes to be known as are pretty reliable leaker of rumors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6461">TS</a>]
01:47:47 ◼ ► Yeah he is pretty reliable sources and he chooses like the things he chooses to report. His record is pretty good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6467">TS</a>]
01:47:54 ◼ ► So what I'm saying is he's good at his job so for him to report this as as what seems like a pretty. Sure thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6474">TS</a>]
01:48:02 ◼ ► There certainly is some some weight to that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6482">TS</a>]
01:48:04 ◼ ► Whether it will actually ship is another story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6484">TS</a>]
01:48:07 ◼ ► but it would not surprise me if the side by side thing has at least been tested for Iowa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6487">TS</a>]
01:48:15 ◼ ► and is being considered for inclusion and I was you know I would imagine by now like you know a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6495">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► and a half from the keynote they probably haven't decide what is going to be there or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:24 ◼ ► and what it should be mentioned or not who knows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6504">TS</a>]
01:48:27 ◼ ► Yeah I mean yeah you have to think that something that big if it appears in the keynote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6507">TS</a>]
01:48:32 ◼ ► People are going to expect the ship but in the past things appear to you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6512">TS</a>]
01:48:35 ◼ ► and then just not shipped in the version of the O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6515">TS</a>]
01:48:38 ◼ ► That they've been more minor feature something this day I feel like they'd have to commit to such a talking anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6518">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► I couldn't possibly tell us about this feature I think it's not I mean maybe there's a thought of something that I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:50 ◼ ► and it's going to be amazing but I think the biggest problem with I.O.U.'s multitasking is not side by side apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6530">TS</a>]
01:48:59 ◼ ► It's it's it's the file system problem it's it's sharing the data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6539">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► It's like where do you keep the documents where do you keep files do you keep files you would assume something will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:11 ◼ ► part of this though like this I give it like I don't have a place to put a thing so this app can write it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6551">TS</a>]
01:49:17 ◼ ► and that other African region right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6557">TS</a>]
01:49:18 ◼ ► But if you have been side by side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6558">TS</a>]
01:49:20 ◼ ► and they made something like Oh if you drag it from one thing to the other then we will make some temporary location [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6560">TS</a>]
01:49:26 ◼ ► for the thing in it like that like some plumbing to make that happen I don't know if that will be part of side by side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6566">TS</a>]
01:49:30 ◼ ► apps but what I see side by side apps I mean do you think I would like to be able to drag things between them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6570">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► and if that's not part of it in version one I would hope that if they keep going down that road they'll work on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:40 ◼ ► and yes that means like the side by side part is almost making that work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6580">TS</a>]
01:49:43 ◼ ► It's whatever the underlying system is they have for having the solid application to share data between each other. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6583">TS</a>]
01:49:49 ◼ ► But even a really stupid one that's basically like copying placement with file temporary file backing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6589">TS</a>]
01:49:56 ◼ ► Even that could go a long way because that solves the problem of like where. Do I put this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6596">TS</a>]
01:50:00 ◼ ► So that when I leave this app and go into the lap you can see it and there's no putting if you drag it between there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6600">TS</a>]
01:50:08 ◼ ► Then it's just like oh well this is a single action and we have a framework that handles a single action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6608">TS</a>]
01:50:13 ◼ ► and it will do whatever needs to do to deal with the sandboxing stuff to make that happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6613">TS</a>]
01:50:17 ◼ ► Yeah that would definitely help a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6617">TS</a>]
01:50:19 ◼ ► I feel like there's some sort of interrupt communication fix that none of us can conceive ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6619">TS</a>]
01:50:26 ◼ ► and as per usual sin is Apple shows us we're going to say Oh of course that's the way it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6626">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► but I mean I don't know if there isn't any sort of Internet communication improvement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:36 ◼ ► Well first of all Federico is probably going to just quit the internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6636">TS</a>]
01:50:39 ◼ ► But I can let me just I don't know what else what else is really really egregiously broken about I.O.'s other bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6639">TS</a>]
01:50:49 ◼ ► and traded throughout the communication for a new file system any day for every one of them John Surtees all you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6649">TS</a>]
01:50:57 ◼ ► What else going on is that not really a lot going on right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6657">TS</a>]
01:51:00 ◼ ► when this is the problem with the with trying to record you know a crazy schedule of working around our travel needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6660">TS</a>]
01:51:08 ◼ ► and everything and recording basically three episodes in about eight days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6668">TS</a>]
01:51:13 ◼ ► There hasn't been a lot happening during these days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6673">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► Yeah we're going to we're going to miss the week before the very see when all the good leaks come out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6676">TS</a>]
01:51:19 ◼ ► But anyway I will have to run it was actually very Thursday. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6679">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► Yes Well it is not that we had to make sure that we go through all the things harbour nonsense offer announcements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:28 ◼ ► and not get too bogged down in any one thing like you know the split screen Iris Have you guys met yourselves for our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6688">TS</a>]
01:51:35 ◼ ► home or if we should all have that we should all have lists of things that we think are going to be announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6695">TS</a>]
01:51:39 ◼ ► and we just go through our list and then we can go back and talk about the individual thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6699">TS</a>]
01:51:43 ◼ ► OK I'm sure that will work perfectly. Totally. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6703">TS</a>]
01:51:47 ◼ ► We will definitely do our homework and Marco will play a minute value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6707">TS</a>]
01:51:50 ◼ ► and everything will be thought oh yeah yeah because you know everything that prevented me from playing it the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6710">TS</a>]
01:51:55 ◼ ► couple of weeks that's all gone now. So now we'll play it. Yeah I'm saving all of my. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6715">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► By overcast complaints for a future show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:02 ◼ ► As I look at the activity of the beta most people are hitting on most of the things that but I am trying to use it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6722">TS</a>]
01:52:08 ◼ ► I was speaking of a complaint was not your fault but I'm thrilled that you're trying to use it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6728">TS</a>]
01:52:13 ◼ ► Yeah I'm trying to use it I used it on my commute to work today or this weekend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6733">TS</a>]
01:52:17 ◼ ► and I go let me just set it up with my car Bluetooth because I'm going to be using his i Pod Touch as my podcast thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6737">TS</a>]
01:52:24 ◼ ► Yeah whenever my car is Bluetooth support but if I touch a Bluetooth but they don't talk to each other at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6744">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► Well when I turned on the Bluetooth parenting in my car and said Do you want to connect to my wife's i Phone five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6753">TS</a>]
01:52:39 ◼ ► Which apparently has been in the car before in a car is detected and is already to pair with it or does it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6759">TS</a>]
01:52:43 ◼ ► Does the car support music streaming like as I think it's because it still is but doesn't support music streaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6763">TS</a>]
01:52:50 ◼ ► or just voice. Because some cars like like I rented a Maxima when I was in Phoenix. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6770">TS</a>]
01:52:55 ◼ ► Couple weeks ago and it had Bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6775">TS</a>]
01:52:57 ◼ ► but only for like phone calls which actually led me to think about it would be a really cool feature if I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6777">TS</a>]
01:53:03 ◼ ► simulate a phone call over Bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6783">TS</a>]
01:53:05 ◼ ► but just put the pod cast through it with from my hat so that you could play it in cars that didn't have that feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6785">TS</a>]
01:53:11 ◼ ► enabled but I don't know if that's possible with this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6791">TS</a>]
01:53:14 ◼ ► It supports music streaming and handset parings voice everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6794">TS</a>]
01:53:18 ◼ ► but only with the i Phone doesn't see my i Pod Touch blues has on discoverable everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6798">TS</a>]
01:53:23 ◼ ► and no device is detected so that was disappointing some using the U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6803">TS</a>]
01:53:27 ◼ ► Adapter for which is kind of crappy been a struggle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6807">TS</a>]
01:53:30 ◼ ► Anyway I have tons of complaints I'll tell you all in you know next time we see each other and want to thank you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6810">TS</a>]
01:53:35 ◼ ► But really the beta people are really getting a lot like you're getting a lot of good feedback for the bait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6815">TS</a>]
01:53:39 ◼ ► and any time I have any complaint I just go look through the beta feedback I'm like yep that person said that I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6819">TS</a>]
01:53:43 ◼ ► with that. I like I mean I can imagine me to them. If you want me to vote but mostly they're getting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6823">TS</a>]
01:53:47 ◼ ► Yeah actually it would help. Yeah voting helps. Just file a bug and I'll mark it as a duplicate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6827">TS</a>]
01:53:52 ◼ ► I should put I should put favorites we're doing on glass ports on top a little phase next to the ones that are like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6832">TS</a>]
01:53:57 ◼ ► Can't tell what the whole downloading don't want to play when I tap on a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6837">TS</a>]
01:54:00 ◼ ► Just want to description although I call Thank you I'm glad you agree with me on that you know everyone agrees everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6840">TS</a>]
01:54:06 ◼ ► I'll give I'll give you it in full detail disclosure button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6846">TS</a>]
01:54:09 ◼ ► and then you're in your stupid menu toolbar icon still holding the line on the head. Yeah well there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6849">TS</a>]
01:54:17 ◼ ► I don't want to ruin what it is that of all complained about after you really something if you don't end up falling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6857">TS</a>]
01:54:21 ◼ ► back to the icon that you know you should use to refuse to know I'm not going to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6861">TS</a>]
01:54:25 ◼ ► but you should because it would work in ever knows what it means. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6865">TS</a>]
01:54:27 ◼ ► You're right but I don't want to use what I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6867">TS</a>]
01:54:29 ◼ ► and I want to see it's an experiment I want to see if I can get along without using it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6869">TS</a>]
01:54:32 ◼ ► I know my wife so it's like it's like you know settings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6872">TS</a>]
01:54:35 ◼ ► and the magazine is only one thing that you wrote you know like I'm damn And I'm going to hold the line on this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6875">TS</a>]
01:54:41 ◼ ► Well yeah I always put like some kind of I always try experiments in my apps and sometimes they bomb out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6881">TS</a>]
01:54:48 ◼ ► and don't work most of the time they bomb and don't work but occasionally they work really well and that's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6888">TS</a>]
01:54:57 ◼ ► And people end up loving my apps for those occasional ponder those things work like so many little features that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6897">TS</a>]
01:55:03 ◼ ► love Instapaper where those kind of experiments are just the way for the support email influx of people can't figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6903">TS</a>]
01:55:10 ◼ ► out where the hell the thing that's done that but in this was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6910">TS</a>]
01:55:17 ◼ ► and I don't want to I don't want to disclose anything about the app so we'll talk more about that probably long after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6917">TS</a>]
01:55:22 ◼ ► the be of idiocy when you start getting to the point where you want to release it or talk about or publicly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6922">TS</a>]
01:55:27 ◼ ► Yeah I don't know when the moment of release. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6927">TS</a>]
01:55:29 ◼ ► I'm thinking maybe I'm going to really give it if I had to give a date I was just waiting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6929">TS</a>]
01:55:36 ◼ ► If I had to give a date today seeing what I have to do in the next few weeks like just just like life like going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6936">TS</a>]
01:55:44 ◼ ► this conference and and family stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6944">TS</a>]
01:55:46 ◼ ► and travel stuff in Iowa say they're in for get a just yeah I always say it like I'm thinking like I'll be lucky to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6946">TS</a>]
01:55:53 ◼ ► Maybe I'll see that you Plus you've got plenty of plain old bugs and like this is what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6953">TS</a>]
01:55:58 ◼ ► when it goes from a one user up to. Like thirty years or out they find all the books. Oh yeah yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6958">TS</a>]
01:56:03 ◼ ► That's why it's amazing like how how many bugs have been found. It's really quite shocking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6963">TS</a>]
01:56:10 ◼ ► Like like in my typical you know typical me naive A D I in my initial email to the testers I wrote something on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6970">TS</a>]
01:56:18 ◼ ► lines of like I'm pretty sure this is pretty close to one point many looking for like you know focuses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6978">TS</a>]
01:56:23 ◼ ► and the like feature was never like this I was I'm pretty sure this is this is pretty close to one point oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6983">TS</a>]
01:56:28 ◼ ► and it's nowhere close it's like too close to it because if you understand the app entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6988">TS</a>]
01:56:33 ◼ ► and then you throw the thing in front of people who haven't been looking at it for months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6993">TS</a>]
01:56:36 ◼ ► and like you know I don't understand how even even to this day there's still future I don't want you to explain to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/6996">TS</a>]
01:56:43 ◼ ► like but that I don't entirely understand I'm able to get the app to do what I want which is interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7003">TS</a>]
01:56:48 ◼ ► but the conceptually there are things they don't understand at all and it's like I could ask Mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7008">TS</a>]
01:56:53 ◼ ► but other people are going to go this year that you know I mean SOB trying to like see it as the basis for aggressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7013">TS</a>]
01:56:59 ◼ ► starts to reveal itself to me but already I like it better than any other I.O.'s podcast app you know with the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7019">TS</a>]
01:57:07 ◼ ► That I've used because I can configure it to let me manage my podcast the way answering manually doing it terribly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7027">TS</a>]
01:57:14 ◼ ► painfully manually am i Pod Shuffle So thumbs up for the utility department there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7034">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► but I may go back to my shuffle after I if I get sick of like plug in the stupid U.S.B. Thing into my car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:24 ◼ ► and the problem is that like there's nothing I can do really reliably to sync with like desktop i Tunes like that's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7044">TS</a>]
01:57:34 ◼ ► like that's like a wall that like pod cast clients can attempt to let you have a mac client you can try to read the i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7054">TS</a>]
01:57:39 ◼ ► Tunes library it's kind of works. It kind of doesn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7059">TS</a>]
01:57:43 ◼ ► On on the i Phone You can like I'm able to I haven't been able to feature in the betas Yep like one thing I want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7063">TS</a>]
01:57:50 ◼ ► is like you know have an import from pot import from Apple podcasts option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7070">TS</a>]
01:57:54 ◼ ► and the problem is you can read the library through public A.P.I. Is but only actual download or not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7074">TS</a>]
01:58:00 ◼ ► It's so if you have a pod cast that has that you've listened to everything and deleted all that will show up to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7080">TS</a>]
01:58:07 ◼ ► and all I have no way to tell that you that you're subscribed to a podcast that currently has no episodes download on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7087">TS</a>]
01:58:13 ◼ ► So there is limitations that it's going to make it really really hard to ever support like i Tunes importing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7093">TS</a>]
01:58:20 ◼ ► know to a degree that people would expect it to work very well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7100">TS</a>]
01:58:23 ◼ ► Yeah I wish I could just configure playlists and overcast and they would magically appear a map [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7103">TS</a>]
01:58:27 ◼ ► and show your obsession with truffles kind of comical because it's so it's so easy I can clip it on to my clothes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7107">TS</a>]
01:58:37 ◼ ► and like you know I just the parts that are painful about it are trying to get songs on it ever which is a super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7117">TS</a>]
01:58:44 ◼ ► painful like torture and accidentally hitting buttons on a soup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7124">TS</a>]
01:58:48 ◼ ► and you know they put the play pause button in the middle of the circle trying to figure which button you're hitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7128">TS</a>]
01:58:53 ◼ ► not accidentally hit forward about like the physical U.I. It's crappy as well as many. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7133">TS</a>]
01:58:59 ◼ ► It's much easier than having to deal with you know I really need to go really just go ahead quicker headphones I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7139">TS</a>]
01:59:04 ◼ ► saying that I'm saying it for years. You know one of Apple's headphones with a little quicker than it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7144">TS</a>]
01:59:10 ◼ ► That's actually that's one of my one of my big problems with the headphone market is for portable had Sounds like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7150">TS</a>]
01:59:16 ◼ ► the headphones sound really good are all like you know the full size ones that you use your desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7156">TS</a>]
01:59:21 ◼ ► and they have like these big long cables oftentimes the cables are coiled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7161">TS</a>]
01:59:24 ◼ ► or they might have at the giant quarter inch plug on the incidence of metal things plug almost none of the headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7164">TS</a>]
01:59:30 ◼ ► sound great have the i Phone clicker and so the i Phone click or like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7170">TS</a>]
01:59:36 ◼ ► but it's definitely going to really really useful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7176">TS</a>]
01:59:39 ◼ ► It's not like you at your at your desk at your computer if you're out walking if you're on a plane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7179">TS</a>]
01:59:45 ◼ ► or you can keep the i Pod or whatever in your pocket and just have a clicker there to do all your control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7185">TS</a>]
01:59:51 ◼ ► and there are just very few headphones that are both good and have the clicker and have a good clicker I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7191">TS</a>]
02:00:00 ◼ ► Or a different liquors like Sennheiser major leaguer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:02 ◼ ► when a kid makes the worst I've ever used in my life some of the like fashion brands some of them have good ones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7202">TS</a>]
02:00:08 ◼ ► like they want to try to like some of them are good some of them are awful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7208">TS</a>]
02:00:12 ◼ ► It's and and as to she points out many headphones have detachable cords you can liken to swap one in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7212">TS</a>]
02:00:19 ◼ ► But most headphones don't have attachable cords so you're kind of like stuck either doing like a really tiny sensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7219">TS</a>]
02:00:25 ◼ ► soldering jobs going to hack your own cable on it which is a terrible idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7225">TS</a>]
02:00:29 ◼ ► or just use the cable that comes of that will eventually freeze somewhere internally and die. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7229">TS</a>]
02:00:34 ◼ ► Maybe I watch will solve this problem for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7234">TS</a>]
02:00:37 ◼ ► but like the base of the problem is I could be doing if you have to guess LATE EDITION's which is a reasonable thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7237">TS</a>]
02:00:42 ◼ ► do and your spouse comes in the room want to talk to you get officious thing out of your pocket hit the button. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7242">TS</a>]
02:00:48 ◼ ► Swiped unsolicited advice. Find the pause button and paused. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7248">TS</a>]
02:00:52 ◼ ► Compare it compared to just click on a clicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7252">TS</a>]
02:00:54 ◼ ► or just tap a little button on you know things that can become reflexes because they're physical devices there's no way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7254">TS</a>]
02:01:00 ◼ ► in hell I want to fish and i Phone or an i Pod touch out of my pocket and interact with the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7260">TS</a>]
02:01:05 ◼ ► Deposit and by the time I do that my wife is already rolling her eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7265">TS</a>]
02:01:08 ◼ ► and same way with us in the pocket you know you could do is you could just get an i Phone that comes with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7268">TS</a>]
02:01:14 ◼ ► headphones with the clicker doesn't come with it. Yes I don't think so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7274">TS</a>]
02:01:20 ◼ ► when you go into your car it by the magic of Bluetooth you don't have to plug anything in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7280">TS</a>]
02:01:26 ◼ ► Become my wife is an i Phone five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7286">TS</a>]
02:01:27 ◼ ► and I'm pretty sure there are no clicker headphones in this house so you think there is there is not a debate in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7287">TS</a>]
02:01:33 ◼ ► They're under in the box either a little my thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7293">TS</a>]
02:01:35 ◼ ► and I should get maybe I left them in the box because I had to go fish those things every i Phone has come with the has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7295">TS</a>]
02:01:41 ◼ ► come with your buds. The first one even came with a dock but that was short lived. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7301">TS</a>]
02:01:46 ◼ ► Not perfect arm of the ear buds but with the click around them. Yeah with the clicker. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7306">TS</a>]
02:01:49 ◼ ► I know if I'm going to find the rest of the show because I have not seen that yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7309">TS</a>]
02:01:53 ◼ ► Every every ear buds that those ever come with i Phones and every i Phone has come with the above. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7313">TS</a>]
02:01:58 ◼ ► They've all had clickers. They're going to. Couple generations of them. But they've all had them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7318">TS</a>]
02:02:02 ◼ ► I keep We don't know that there's one i Phone and it's out one i Phone five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7322">TS</a>]
02:02:07 ◼ ► and I was pretty sure didn't come the teams had my phone for a while I thought she had a forest in a five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT6sCXo/7327">TS</a>]