00:00:00 ◼ ► Well live stream right now there are ones freaking out about what up Kris Allen found out when I live here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► and we do have some follow up something happened a few hours ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► Thank goodness because otherwise this would've been a short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/11">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► but yeah we do have some follow up so John Mitchell to tell us about how people do or do not play games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/16">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► Yeah last week I mentioned the average age of gamers and none of us knew what it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/22">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► and if someone wrote it in the chat room I didn't notice so I apologize for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/27">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► but I looked it up so you know it's on our to find this information so here are the stats this is in regards to both of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/32">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► you saying that you have grown out of playing games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/38">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► and me saying that's ridiculous because most people who play games are even older than your adult. Wait hold on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/40">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► Neither of us said we grew out of games that that's going to get some feedback which already has which is not accurate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/45">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► I don't remember the exact quote but it was something like you just felt like you were out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/54">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► or anyway everyone responding think that's what you said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/57">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► Obviously the miscommunication and you can feel free to clarify because I keep saying I agree with K.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/60">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► and Marco I also grew out of games like we're seeing those responses again that doesn't mean that's what you said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/64">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► mean what we both said was was that we didn't see games that we didn't see games as like a juvenile thing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/69">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► would grow out of but rather we play games for a long time and then we you know in recent years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/78">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► or weren't you know after we left college or whatever we just didn't choose to spend our time playing games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/84">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► or didn't have the time to plug into anymore so it's not necessarily a growing out of it because that implies that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/89">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► not like a juvenile thing it's it's more that we just chose not to spend our time doing that anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/95">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► Yeah I would agree that our priorities shifted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/99">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► It's like the same result but with with a different reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/102">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► and with with less judgment in the reason nationally one of you said I don't know I guess I just grew out of it I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/105">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► bit of a joke and yes later you did say that these markers are that you didn't think they were juvenile or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/112">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► but everyone latched on to the growing up thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/117">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► Here is the information I was trying to get across is that the average age of gamers and none of us knew what it was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/120">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► The average age of game players according to the Entertainment Software Association which is trade association attracts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/125">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► the type of things video games is thirty one years old. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/130">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► This is this is the United States that only I think the only US anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/134">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► The average age of the US population is thirty seven point two So yes the average age of the people in the United [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/139">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► but I think that makes sense considering video games were introduced partially into the lives of many people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/147">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► alive today so you don't have a sample you know everyone alive wasn't born when video games are introduced the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/152">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► The ratios are fifty two percent male forty eight percent female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/158">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► and out of the most frequent game purchases the ratios are exactly even fifty fifty male female they say fifty nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/161">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► percent of Americans play video games. And here are some stats and breakdowns. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/168">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► Women over eighteen are thirty six percent boys eighteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/172">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► or younger are seventeen percent so twice as many women twice as many adult women play games as juvenile boys do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/176">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► Homes have given out so and there's an average of two game console in each house that has any. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/184">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► So like I said most game players are more or less our age. I'm older than thirty one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/190">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► You guys are also both older than thirty one right. I am thirty one you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/194">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► So you're exactly the average age of a gamer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/198">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► and I think it makes sense because our people your age mark on my age are basically like video games were invented more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/201">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► or less when we were young by the time we were old enough to play them. They were popular. We played them. We grew up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/207">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► Whereas people who were you know thirty years old before the Atari twenty six hundred introduce are much less likely I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/215">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► think to have gotten into it so we are sort of the first generation of people to have grown up with games in a make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/221">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► sense that we continue to play them whereas the people who are sort of ahead of us may have never gotten into it at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/225">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► and I think I made all these points and show people talking about growing out of games and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/231">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► and tweeting about it and so on and saying well I do it I don't do it as much now as are you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/236">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► Still you may grow out of the games that you played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/240">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► when you were a child in the same way you grow out of the books that you read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/243">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► or you don't read Little Golden Books anymore you don't watch a Hanna Barbera cartoons they were like there are many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/246">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► things you did as a child you grow out of but a Video games are a medium and they're fairly diverse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/250">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► and so even though you of course you don't have the time to play games that used to be you know time to do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/256">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► enough time to just pick any any sort of leisure time activity you do for him or time that when you're a kid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/261">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► But as you get older you will like different games just like you like different movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/267">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► and different television shows and different books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/271">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► and that I think is natural I think a lot of the people who say well I grew out of games you know all I do now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/274">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► and then they insert like the three games that they play but I barely have time for that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/280">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► Well yes of course you barely have time for that if you're still playing games like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/283">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► and you didn't really grow out of games just grew out of the games that you played as a child. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/286">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► It's true that some people never go out of the game they played as a child maybe they're plates of murders a child they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/290">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► love tomorrow to this day and they keep playing it that's fine too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/294">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► Same thing with books I mean how many adults out there really young adult books as like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/298">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► and love them like the Harry Potter series is a good example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/303">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► or a lot of these things even like the hunger games I like that a lot of these books are technically young adult books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/305">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► that many adults enjoy them today not to grow out of that should they have grown out of books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/310">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► and they have grown out of those specific books I don't think that's an important distinction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/314">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► but the idea that games are something that most people played when they were a kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/317">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► and don't play anymore I think is not borne out by the statistics at least in the United States. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/323">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► Do people count as gamers if they just have like Angry Birds on their phones versus like a console game or a P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/328">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► Game like is there a distinction should there be a distinction and maybe the answer is no. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/336">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► But should there be a distinction between like people who have a couple of casual games on their phone versus people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/341">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► who like you know own dedicated gaming hardware or have bought like a forty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/347">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► or fifty dollar game before I don't think they're making those kind of distinctions I think they consider all games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/351">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► games and so what I like I don't. If you cycle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/357">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► when you insert some I was game that you obsessed we played every moment of spare time like yeah you play games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/361">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► They do add information on console that you would consider the like that's not casual right I don't know if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/367">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► and the thing is a fifty one percent of homes have a game console in them somewhere in those homes as playing those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/373">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► And so you know it's not like well thirty one percent on the game console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/379">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► but the only only Google Play game console are the seventeen percent of gamers who are male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/382">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► and younger than eighteen like that seems unlikely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/386">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► but anyway I count them all as games like there's plenty of legitimate games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/389">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► and I us I mean maybe they're not counting like solitaire and minesweeper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/394">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► but I think maybe these days those sort of fallen by the wayside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/397">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► but I don't I don't think there's a useful distinction between it was not a real game as like I am that's not a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/401">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► book that's just a I don't know mystery novel romance novel do those not count as real books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/406">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► or something it has to be Tolstoy game as a game as a game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/411">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► Fair enough I actually do have a question for you does Tina get involved in any of the video gaming around your house. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/416">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► She plays games on her phone a lot and I think that's where she plays a majority of her games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/423">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► but at various times she has been very into as an adult very very into both console games and computer games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/427">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► But these days any time I have I don't want to reveal her dirty gaming secrets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/434">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► but so many certain I was games that have the ability to get their hooks into people have gotten their hooks into her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/439">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► and so she is very susceptible to that and I don't approve of most of the games that she plays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/446">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► but she definitely has a place for your kids because I know your son. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/450">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► Last I heard is really and Minecraft is that still the case. You know it's Minecraft it destroyed his life and ours. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/456">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► Here we had a very diverse gaming education up until the age of you know I guess nine sometime in his ninth year of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/465">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► life Minecraft came and destroyed everything else having to do with life. He is obsessed with Minecraft. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/473">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► As he played any game other than mine recently I don't think so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/480">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► He's totally obsessed and neither your son or daughter got into the way you very much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/484">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► Well I mean that's when his friends come over he plays the way you would his friends giving us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/489">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► and you know Minecraft is not as much of a social game. So he does still play that and I assume then the next. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/494">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► Recently I've been playing games that he can't play with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/500">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► but I'm assuming the next game that we can all play together comes out hell play with me like been exiled a game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/503">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► or a body clock I can't remember the name anymore because the last guardian of that ever comes out he'll play that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/507">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► me but he's not clamoring to play those games we have all the game console hooked up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/514">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► and I've been playing games on more than he has. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/518">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► But yeah like it's like it's natural for kids is age to get obsessed with things like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/521">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► and just as Marco says Total Annihilation units [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/526">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► and everything you do have a certain point you get really into one game like yeah you like lots of games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/528">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► and then a certain certain game comes and absorbs you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/533">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► and this is happening with my grand my daughter I keep trying to get her to play games many many times on many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/536">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► different console than on the computer should play a little bit of kind of casual games and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/541">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► but she's just not into it and I want to really push it but I keep I keep putting them for an error [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/546">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► and I actually had a play Monument Valley in that I think was about her speed someplace. She just turned seven. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/550">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► and have not even opened it like now ever since I was six I believe added the new badge on apps so that you could tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/559">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► if you have an app you've never launched before I've really been shamed by those badges on my phone because it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/567">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► games and there's like there's probably right now my phone probably had like seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/574">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► or eight games that I bought in the last six months that I haven't even launched yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/578">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► but I want to be a gamer in theory but I never decide to spend the time doing that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/584">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► And Monument Valley is actually a great example of an application that takes advantage of retina. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/589">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► If they go to the matter for games who cares after those a low rez three doing scaled up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/596">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► But this minor value has graphics that really benefit from from the retina resolution because they're just such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/600">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► beautiful little finely detailed things it's not it's not like a typical three D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/607">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► Game or stuff flying all over the place it's just you know it's very precise and it looks great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/612">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► and right now I think the game itself. I think it's more of a casual game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/617">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► I think it is very beautiful and interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/621">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► but it's way too easy for anyone who's actually you know experienced gamer and plays games a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/624">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► and as a little bit short I really care about like there's like I'm buying it for the length of it was short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/631">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► and so I feel like I just should have a little bit more there in terms of the the overall expect maybe if it was harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/635">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► but I recommend it for lots of people who you know who find the games that I enjoy too challenging so I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/644">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► why I had my daughter play is like well you'll be able to play this you'll be able to to do well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/650">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► and it will challenge you a little bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/654">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► I think you'd be bored by Margot but you still just want to just look at the graphics because like I said it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/656">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► It's the rare game that I can even imagine on a non retina screen being half as nice looking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/661">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► So you said that it it's probably way too easy for an experienced gamer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/669">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► So now a little concern that I won't be able to handle you well if I think I need to try it I haven't bought it yet I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/674">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► keep forgetting about it any time I'm sitting in front of my phone or i Pad just goofing off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/682">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► and so I need to get it although I may I don't know like maybe my things are skewed as I have seen tweets from people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/686">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► talking about like not so much getting stuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/692">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► but having difficulty I can't tell if they're joking so maybe my idea of what's difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/694">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► and what's not is totally skewed so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/698">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► when you should just play it like just play through two levels will take you five minutes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/699">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► Just tell me it was not like there's almost no choice like it leads you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/702">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► It's it is very linear there's not many places that you can go wrong and the same could be said of journey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/707">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► but like it's different you know. Anyway try to do homework for you to try to first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/714">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► A levels and it takes me thirty five minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/720">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► and I not admit it will not that of the first level to get thirty seconds to tell you about two minutes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/721">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► One more quick theory about about gaming and losing interesting game in overtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/727">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► and maybe this is just me I don't know and John I'm sure going to have a good explanation for this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/734">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► I've found that one of the biggest factors I think that got me out of gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/739">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► and maybe just coincidence because it overlapped my age progression in my work progression. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/744">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► But one of the things I think got me out of gaming is so many of the types of games that I enjoyed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/749">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► I fell out of favor and you know we would get almost none of them made anymore so for example I love to T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/755">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► Platformer games sonic Mario any of the good to the performers I love those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/762">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► But almost nobody makes two platforms anymore and incorrect. Well hold on hold on. And I did put it also want to X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/767">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► Box Live. Shadow Complex I think is cool. I did put out one and loved it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/773">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► And so you know for a while and maybe maybe now the indie scene is getting as back fortunately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/777">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► but for a while like once the three D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/784">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► Systems came out the Play Station the N sixty four the Saturn it became like two the platform is basically one extinct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/787">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► for a while and the same thing happened with R.T.S. Games where I loved R.T.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/796">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► Games as you mentioned I told my Lucian phase earlier love their P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/802">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► Games through my through almost my entire teenage hood and that's a word and. And then R.T.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/806">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► This kind of stuff being made very well after maybe two thousand three thousand four ish like supreme commander was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/813">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► was like a big one it was awesome but nobody bought it and then they kind of went by the wayside as fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/821">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► and M M O's kind of took over. And so if that kind of bothered me too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/826">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► And and now like Iowa and I also I also love turn based tragic games but those are very few and far between. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/832">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► and now with I.O.U.'s like some of the best casual games is you know are they used to be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/842">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► and I want to get in for like five bucks and they were awesome and now they've all been ruined with freemium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/849">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► and so I wonder like you know is this just me am I am I just kind of missing the new stuff because I stop looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/855">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► or Is this like is this a legitimate reason why I've been kind of kicked out of gaming for a while. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/864">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► I don't know but there's two things there one there are John or has that become more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/871">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► and less popular time to think of it in terms of movies like murder mystery movies where the whole plot of the movie A [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/877">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► summer is murdered you had to figure out who it is you don't see a lot of them anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/883">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► Used to see some of them but like that that genre has become less popular it does happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/886">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► and it comes in cycles you know what's popular now may not be what's popular fifty years from now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/891">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► and goes around circles on that front by the way there isn't a setting correct for the two to games that right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/896">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► there's a massive Renaissance into the platform research on a particular like because I'm not into treaty platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/901">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► but they're all the place and not just in the game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/906">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► Intend to bring out a brand new team Marielle games that I enjoy way less than the three D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/908">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► and there's just a constant stream of them in those are not in the things those are like you know they're their flagship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/915">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► titles and tons of indie ones so if you're into two D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/921">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► Platforming like you cannot throw a rock without hitting to the platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/924">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► But one of the gunners you mentioned real time strategy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/928">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► The type of real time strategy I'm talking about like I symmetric sprite based you know two D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/931">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► Map kind of thing like before the age of three D. Hey wait hang on a second. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/938">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► Put on my leash and it was none of those by the way go ahead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/943">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► All right I don't know what that into your real time strategy games are but yes they eventually went through anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/946">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► They became less popular a lot of the reason they became less popular is because computers became more able to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/952">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► So once first person shooters start to take over the entire universe and you could do any John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/960">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► or in first person perspective so there was first person everything real time strategy games became less popular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/964">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► They're still out there I mean they're still Starcraft they're the things that they've kind of you know that same type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/971">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► perspective you see not that you know the album is not a real time strategy game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/977">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► but a similar perspective in that you're looking down on I well it's like a little board and clicking on people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/980">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► Yeah if you get really into a particular game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/986">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► and a particular genre in a pretty particular implementation of that genre because people like oh I like real time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/990">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► strategy games but I don't like they want to do X. Y. and Z. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/995">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► Only like the ones that like what I was I think it was a myth on a Paschal about how much I liked him so different now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/997">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► Games if you're into those specifics you may have to wait for another one of those things to come around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► but what I would say is that the things you like about that type of game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► and you shouldn't really be married to the genre like if you just like watching Murder Mysteries It's like what it what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► is it that I like about murder mysteries. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1018">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► Do I like the fact that someone gets killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► and I get the same thing out of a Harmon we do like the fact that this is Spence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► and I could get it out of a different kind of thriller or am I just looking for a puzzle that I have to solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► and I'm on movies with a stupid twist I mean like what you were getting out of those games are things you enjoy systemizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► things micro-managing things you know do you enjoy like working the tech trees there's a lot of games you can play now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► perhaps like a role playing game with a big crafting trian like character development you may be able to get the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► experiences out of different types of games or maybe that you just really like real time strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► and he does the wait until something like that becomes popular again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► and he says the same thing in every other medium you know what kind of books are popular now what kind of movies are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► kind of T.V. Shows I mean look at T.V. Program a lot of you are totally into for me like half an hour sitcoms. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► They're so hard to find out just like everyone has to have some sort of twist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► or angle in the one hour drama is you know hugely popular now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► The one hour drama was like an aberration you know twenty thirty years ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1076">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► Now it's like everything has to be this gritty one hour drama like to make a show about Sleepy Hollow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► and it's like this big gritty thing you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► And whereas like the old sitcoms aren't they used to be everywhere now they're very rare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► and each one of them has some weird twist about them so I think that's part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► but I guess that gaming is not as broad as books movies or T.V. Is not yet anyway but it's getting close. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► But there's probably something out there that you would get the same type of enjoyment out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► and who knows like maybe really go they don't make murder mystery movies anymore also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► and you start going to see like you know goofy comedies you may find out. I never watch T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► but I really enjoy them so there's a lot out there you know the funny thing for me is to take this aside just a smidge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► is that I find that I get really into certain games but only for a very small window of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► and most recently it's been I.O.'s games but the I think I mentioned last episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► or it might have that I played Metal Gear Solid through the whole way through I still love the Zelda games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► Well I played a green of time and I don't think I ever had whatever it was for the week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► But I'll find these games that I just are IM obsessed with some looking at my i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► and i only have a handful games on there but like you know right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► when the i Phone came out I played the crap out of flight control for forever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► When the incident came out I loved that letterpress loved that tiny wings ramp champ by the icon factory which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► much better game than anyone than a lot of people gave it credit for three days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► when I came out recently saw all these games I just kind of madly in love with them and I'll play them to death. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► Not only what I do when I find a song I just never looked back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► So I haven't played threes in like a month and I was playing it non-stop for two or three weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► and maybe this is my personality but I know it's just the way I've approached seemingly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► You're in the middle of the letter President me as me K.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► So any time you want to move six months I was that's a I've been hoping that that happened forever in fact it is bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► like I still do enjoy it when I open it but I just never think about it anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1195">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► And I think I heard Marco say that you're the same way like I get these obsessions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► but then just as quickly as I get the obsession then it's done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► That's why I like with my limited time as an adult and a parent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► and all the other stuff the type of game that I gravitate to are two kinds one is the kind I can to spend for a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► of minutes of fun like whatever else is asynchronous turn based games like what aggressor or to friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► and three's even a single player you know it's like yeah whatever just some quick fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► and the other type of game I like is the kind kind of like the like to detective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► or than the new popular thing of one hour dramas that have a season long arc that that ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► and then the cast changes as a couple shows doing that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► and that I think is a good model because people like I don't want to invest in the show that could go on some X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► Number of seasons I might not have a satisfying ending or whatever like where I met your mother or how to measure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► but if people don't have a lot of time let's make it a one hour thing a one season arc that you will consume as a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1251">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► and so the video games that are the non casual video games that I play are ones that are going to give me an experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► for a defined amount of time and it's not going to be open ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► and I'm going to play through it I mean not a side of their story based games whose journey is not really a story based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► game that's two hours a game play in an out like that is the perfect you know it's cheap I can get a little download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► amazingly enjoyable who may love two hours done and even something like The Last Of Us I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► I don't memory I was bored I may be sixteen or eleven or twenty and I remember what the stat was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► but it's a single player there's a multiplayer aspect that I don't care about single player game with a story I play it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► has a beginning middle and end I'm done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► It's not like I feel guilty like I never go back to yeah I finished it I played the game like there is a it is a unit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► of entertainment it just happens to be a longer unit than a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1305">TS</a>]
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00:24:24 ◼ ► So we have T. Shirts available for sale. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► We're recording this on the last day of April twenty four teen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► and they are going to be available for purchase until May eleven is that right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► Unlike that we had today they have a little over a week so we'll talk about this one more time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► and only one more time on the next episode. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► Near one thousand dollars they have basically a stylized version of our show art on the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► and a little surprise on the back and I don't know if you want to talk about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► or you want to leave it as a small surprise that's up to you Marco. I think you should check it out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► I think you should go to the family or other thing is T. Spring dot com slash accidental. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► However we made a little shortcut in case you don't know how to spell T. Spring if you go to A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► Dot F.M.'s flash shirt it will redirect you to the A.T.P. Dot F.M. Slash shirt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► You must buy the shirt within the next roughly ten days or so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► and after those hundreds of comes out in the eight days so hurry up and buy the shirt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► We've already sold a lot past the goal so this is awesome thank you very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► and so these will definitely be printed and made they will make it in time for the U.S. For W.D.C. Probably. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► Internationally it depends on where you live. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► We've heard reports of some of them coming right before some of them right after so we can really guarantee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► internationally but in the U.S. They should be there in time to be ready See and. And yes so check it out. T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► Spring dot com slash accidental or A.T.P. That F.M. Slash shirt and keep in mind that. Since we are so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1554">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► The thought of it over us to pick a design that we like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► If we have shirts next year it's very likely that it will be a different design. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► So even if you are some are living internationally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► or can't are going to see it all anyway don't worry so much about whether you're going to get in time for this year's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► day see if you order now you'll have it for next year and next year. Share it if there is one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► Will very likely be different so this may be the only time to buy the shirt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► You can decide whether that's a good or bad thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► but please do keep that in mind because tons of people keep asking me if they want to order a hypothetical shirts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► and I did have a girl here at the ready and I'm not sure I'm doing them again any time soon if ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► and those people should've ordered when they were available herself I don't do this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► Haven't you order something they're available for sale. You know I also wonder for those who are international. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► I have not tried this myself obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► but I wonder if you could arrange with your hotel hey would you accept a package for me. And so on and so forth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► So you might even be able to get it delivered to your hotel. I know that is a possibility. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► So I mean the hotels usually will charge for that. But I know I notice possible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► I did that one year to get a shirt delivered to convert to a hotel conference. But look into it anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► Spring is kind of like Kickstarter where they have like you know the buying period for a limited time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► and then they do the whole run at once. They print them all and that's it. You can order them after that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► So it is very unlikely I think that we'll get our act together and make a new design that we like in the next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► or so. So definitely if you want if you're anytime between now and next May you could probably buy this one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► OK so we were actually I was a little nervous about not having a lot to talk about on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► and then just today Facebook decided to try their own hand at X. Callback U.R.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► Which was surprising for me anyway so they came out with Facebook app links and I should. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1674">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► We point out I guess it's the polls. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► So what is it like it's not a subsidiary of Facebook it's enough milieu with what poll says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► but I guess it came from there do you guys know what that is. OK good talk right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► So apparently some like subsection for lack of a better way of phrasing it Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► and they came up with appling says and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► when you guys put this in the show notes it's probably for the best if I read this very quickly quote This is from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► their web site with uplinks Facebook wants to standardize deep linking to native apps by using special metadata. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► attached seizing added via H.T.M.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► The basic premise of Apple Inc is that if the user taps on a link on a mobile device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► and that link belongs to a Web site that in turn offers the same content in a native app with better features than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► web view the link could automatically redirect the user to the app if installed on the App Store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► With support for deep linking to content inside the app the goal according to Facebook actually considers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► According to Facebook is to provide the best experience to user who clicks a link on a mobile device with features to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► control what happens when a link is clicked on i OS Android or Windows Phone seven Frederica's right up actually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► Yeah I think OK so this I pasted in this paragraph like first light I saw this Facebook appling thing like fifteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► minutes ago so show stars I know very little about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► but I pasted in this thing because it sounds like something I would never ever want the idea that I'm on a Web site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► and I tap on a link and it shoves me takes me out of the web browser puts me into an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► and shoves me into some deep thing in the apple example the video is like so you're on a Web site you see a movie like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► human over the plain toward you tap on and the launch of the movie app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► and takes me into there about like I know example that gets annoying to have to go back to the home screen launcher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► taken by an app do the same search you just did on the web but like if I'm in a web site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► and I found the thing I would like to buy it there on the web I hate being I hate that little band that comes down says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► hey I know you're looking at our Web site the did you know we have a happy you could try that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► The whole idea that like the app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► Could provide better features than the web you look on the phone going to web browsing I'm doing stuff I want to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► on the web I got nothing that native apps don't have a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► but if I'm never getting around the Web The last thing I want is to be chucked into an application deep linked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► or otherwise so I do not like the idea of this thing like I'm assuming people commenting on this about like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► Internet communication thing that maybe I was told to do something about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► I was able do something about or whatever will people talk about that and I can show in the future I'm sure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► But that's about native apps talking to each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► and cooperating you know multiple native apps coordinating to get a single job done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► and yeah I guess the web browser is one of those of the native apps but if I'm on a web page like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► and I don't like unlike those two things being an I don't like switching between those two things I don't care how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► coordinated they can be about where I jump back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► and forth I question whether jumping out at all is ever the right thing to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► Well generally speaking I would agree with you that if I'm in the browser it's probably a deliberate action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1854">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► and I want to remain in the browser in the api enters whatever they're called at the top they just get away in a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► annoying especially in the case that the app is ready installed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► Maybe less so if you're trying to like advertise that you have an app in any case the one time where I think this makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► a lot of sense is if for example for some reason I've browsed something in Safari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► and I end up on some really heavy media app lets take Spotify for example. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► I'm probably going to want to listen to whatever the song or playlist or what have you is in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► Spotify is app rather than in mobile Safari so for things like that it makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► but other than that I tend to agree with you John. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► I guess it's not the capability of it's bad so much as just as I see the potential for abuse in that if I was if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► was a big badge that was like open it up in insert name of native app here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► and it was clear that's what it was going to do it sign. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► But these Web sites these companies are so desperate to get you to install and use their apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1915">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► I don't know why they're they just you know you better engagement with our Mike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► and uncle's voice Brynn's like it's just annoying it's like I rather do you just make your website good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► and I'll use your app if I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► but like now if we give them the ability to make every single link a potential minefield it's going to take you out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► into some native app. I'm not enthusiastic about this. Yeah I think definitely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► I totally agree that this has nothing to do with X. Called a U.R.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► or An affirmation really that that's a different problem. I think there's a couple problems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► I agree with everything John said so far which is that you have you know there are probably some some conditions where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► this is what you want what you want as a user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► but there's also probably just as many if not more where it's not what you want as a user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► and yet you could then prompt the user to ask what they want and that's more clunking as more complexity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► It's one of those things where I have a feeling the solve the problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► Facebook thinks they have and they assume everyone else has the same problem but it doesn't really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► There's probably not a good problem to be solved in a good way here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► Furthermore I don't know how they could possibly get this to work very well because very effectively in the real world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► because the most common little browsers are mobile Safari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► and chrome is the one that are actually you know used for web browsing instead of sitting in a drawer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► or playing videos and I don't see you know Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► There's almost no chance in hell they would ever implement this in the safari so that's out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► Any chance of like you know a plugin architecture a mobile Safari that would enable plugins for this is probably also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► Google is winning this in Croom maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► but Google hates Facebook so I don't know if that's going to happen either you know what's in it for them probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► Does this require browser support I mean reasonable to know where the requires browsers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► or well in the documentation I read through all the documentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► and I didn't like it I don't think was very good I thought their examples were you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2034">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► Examples are always contrived but these are crummy they were just crummy examples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► but the way I understood it is if you tap a link in or if you end up on a page in a web browser including like a U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► Web view in say tweet bot for example then if you see all these meditates made attacks whether called at the top of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► of your document you can say oh I can build a U.R.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► Based on the information in these meditates and make a check you know with the with i O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► West and say hey does this U.R.L. Is this a U.R.L. That you know about and if so just quietly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► Well I guess not so quietly actually redirect into the apps a salmon Tweeple I land on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► I'm using a browser in twee part I land on a Spotify page then tweet but can say Oh I see that there's this Apple Inc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► and I see that Spotify is installed on Casey's phone so much punchier to Spotify that Marco did you read into this at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2094">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► No I actually spent about five minutes for the show looking at this because I think that is it for them so I could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► Yeah I think that's the way I interpreted it and hopefully will either get a lot of e-mail saying I'm right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► or a couple emails of the diagram on the site is the one it's like it works across you know Windows Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► and Android and i OS and like right away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► Well Apple has no interest in this and the thing is of Apple has no interest in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► and I think as Rene tweeted us with a link to Rene and pressure no it's like doing this right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► See there there's a reasonable chance and I'm going to say a good bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► but there's a reasonable chance that Apple might have some similar type of thing having to do with maybe like a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► version of X. Callback You're really something. Whatever Apple decides to do this it remotely in this area. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► That's what Apple's going to do that's what they're going to support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► and that's what everybody on the highways platform is going to support making a cross-platform standard is so hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► when one of the vendors Apple is just going to ignore you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2157">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► and might potentially do its own thing because if Apple does don't think people will do whatever the hell I.O.'s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► supports because it is still by far the most popular platform for games where people actually give you money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► or for applications not just games but anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► Yes I totally expect Apple to ignore this and of Apple ignores it it's a non-starter for the app platform anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► and that means it's never going to be cross cross Plus I know it's not been standard involves a lot of good looking out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► assignment that like your best bet would be to get the support of Leica W three C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► Standard Zabol does support those but something coming from Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► and trying to solve their cross-platform development difficulties. Apple is just not interested in that at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► That's not to say that any Apple is the one who had that stupid annoying dialog box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► and I complained about the dialog box says hey download your app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► but before they did that every individual Web site doing something even worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► and the client side javascript to do the same feature. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► So really I'm mad at everybody who keeps trying to make their app out all Apple adding the feature to standardize it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► and makes it like it doesn't slow down the browser as much because it's no longer terrible client side jobs running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► but it's no longer a model dialog box or some something they like animate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► but they wouldn't use this accelerated animation so it would be like you know javascript redrawing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► It was bad yet so reading more on the teaches article quoting again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► Apps that implement appling so be able to scan a link that's been tapped by the user in a matter of seconds understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► weather can be opened inside a native app to deep linking fall back to a web view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► or offer a way to download the app from the App Store so this corroborates what I was thinking earlier that you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► tweet buy you land on some page it looks at the page's H.T.M.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► and Says hey is there something I can do with this or not and then can handle it and dump you into the app in question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► but to both your points without Safari supporting this I don't see how this is going to be that fantastic by the way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2272">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► There's a page fetch a requires it for eight let's say you've been an open Lincoln tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► but it requires people to first fetch the H.T.M.L. Of the page. Parse it for these. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► Look for these tags and then possibly offer you the option to redirect into an app for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► Yeah the reason I put that quote in there that one they just read was not to give information about because I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► shame the copywriter who wrote it was like it's a little bit like Apple inks will be able to scan a link that's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► and comma in a matter of seconds comma understand whether it can be over in a matter of seconds I sure as hell hope not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► but like the copywriter is like this the wrong order of magnitude for how long it's going to really take this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► cancelling thing you know is it really does take seconds there is a serious problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► when even the wording there scan a link that's not really true it's you know fetch the contents of a link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► and then look at the contents to see if maybe you can open it I mean that's that's a different proposition. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► I guess I don't see this being why they don't you know John as you said like if there's no chance that Apple can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2334">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► implement this which I'm pretty sure that's the case then how much of a standard you know Facebook has a lot of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► like platform itis going on and they always have this is nothing new. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► Where Facebook always comes out you know that Facebook and Apple both have their And Google for an Amazon of everyone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► They all have their own their own breed of arrogance and Apple's arrogance is well known and well documented. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► Apple's arrogance is rushing to make their own thing in that you can make the standard if you want to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► Facebook's arrogance is we're going to launch these platform the standards are going to be useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► and implemented by everybody even when that's almost never actually the outcome to what they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► and almost always just serve them at best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► and even they often abandon the things they make so you know it's I think this is this is a nice sounding story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► but I don't see it being implemented by almost anybody important and certainly not widely enough to matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► You know Facebook is not a trusted actor in this relationship right here because it's you know yes they're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2393">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► But it's so clear that it's it is designed to solve a problem that Facebook has which is how do we deploy our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► application on all the different platforms Apple does not have that particular problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► or at the very least has it in a very small version if they still make ideas for Windows beyond that they do not want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► to deploy their software on every mobile platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► So this isn't a problem they have and it's like why would we but we get on board with this thing that yes it's open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► and trying to be standardized but it clearly exists to serve Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► and will probably evolve to continue to serve Facebook. If we're not sure that I you know that's of the three C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► and even that is just like these big companies are all you know on the whatever in these in these working groups for to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► really see at each other's throats trying to fight for the little details of you know what image elements going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► used for multi resolution images on the web and whether we should support canvas and all of those stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► and so that is a form in which they feel like it's a moral level playing field where all the big companies are are at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► each other's throats trying to deal with web standards and whatever gets through more or less Apple implements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2456">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► but Apple also does the thing where it proposes a standard then implemented and shipped it to millions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► and millions of people and says well we already can implement to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► and everybody does that help you go I think maybe you should adopt it as a standard like it's not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► Yeah that's how standards work in the real world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► The sort of you know combine that around the campfire I think we're all going to get along type of thing I call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► Facebook really to an open standard everyone should use it now. That's never what it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► So what is what is benefiting from Facebook by having a standard way with which to deep link into an app because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► the essential premise behind this is not only that you can launch an app which everyone knows how to do reasonably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► But here's a standard by which we define what data you're passing to that app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► or that needs to be passed that appen order to get to the exact content you want. So what's the play for Facebook here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► Well it's pretty obvious it's for Facebook app it's so that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► You know if you look say you know Facebook obviously encourages sharing all their crap as much as possible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► Let's say you share in Lincoln something that goes to a Facebook property they want to be able to launch one of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► apps directly into that so that they control the whole experience on your show on their web page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► or it goes right to their app and they get more information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► or that it's faster for the user so they don't have to go to the web first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► They clearly want this for themselves I mean that's what they did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► Then Facebook just have I've seen tweets about it and they have like their little developer P.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► Thing or some kind of that's called fifty eight hour God I didn't think of it that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► Anyway like I did not watch the speech thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► but from what I've seen from Facebook in past months I'm going to pretend that I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► and pretend this is what they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► and I imagine that this is all part of the strategy that they have to stop being a single thing called Facebook which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► is a Web site the you go to or more abstractly an application that you use through the web browser and other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2574">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► and start being a series of more special purpose applications circling around this giant hub of information they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► about everybody and so I I think like things like paper paper didn't replace the Facebook app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► It just kind of augment that I think what they want to make is a fleet of mobile applications for fleet of neighbors in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► need of mobile applications that all cooperate in interoperate with each other and with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► and with the Facebook website to make one single unified Facebook experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► and that's why they want to deep link from paper into the official Facebook app from the Facebook website into whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► other app they come out with like the idea that they're transitioning into all their anywhere a platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► and they want to be a different kind of platform where all these different pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► and all these different platforms can all talk to each other and you know sort of cooperate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► or in some ways it is kind of like indirect communication but they're all their data is on the web and in the cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► and so they have to do their version of indirect communication is a way to basically deep link from one application to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2633">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► It Out of the web so it makes sense for from what they wanted to why do they think they want to do it as an open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► That's tends to be the way they do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► and I think they would be happy if it became commonly supported because then they would have some assurance that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► OAS or the Web browsers or whatever wouldn't change in a way that prevents their standard from working you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► and I guess I don't know it just at first I was like oh percent actually no this doesn't sound that after all it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► like a cool idea until you think about it a little bit or try to implement it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► and start thinking about the realities of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► and how Apple will never support a noble safari in everything I just it kind of falls apart under scrutiny I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► that's a very good way of phrasing it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2677">TS</a>]
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00:44:46 ◼ ► I still pronounce into my head as backup was a I think it sounds fan. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► Anyway they're awesome so Backley is online backup for five bucks a month. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► It's a mac native app and I have five bucks a month gets you unlimited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► and throttled uncomplicated backup you know we've talked a lot about the value of online backup here before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► and in one of John's your response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► or reads If you don't use this you're nuts I mean on the back it was amazing there's that there's an entire class of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► problems hazards events where if you have a local clone a Time Machine backup like sitting in your office next to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► computer plugged in things like power surges lightning strikes floods fires that there's all sorts of of bad things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► that can happen that would affect both the main computer and a backup if all you have is the one in your house and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2730">TS</a>]
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00:45:39 ◼ ► and a whole bunch of other problems it's a fantastic solution I've been using it myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► and I've been using back plays for a couple years at least now very happy with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2743">TS</a>]
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00:45:56 ◼ ► right through the web interface. You also have an I.L.S. App that you can use to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2756">TS</a>]
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00:46:10 ◼ ► or two weeks that you know you saying all right this is the status here back here that we have we have this computer we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► have this many gigs this is the last time I checked in it cetera so you can you can always you know be confident what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► it's doing and you can of course also try to restore anything on the web whenever you want to to confirm that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2781">TS</a>]
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00:46:35 ◼ ► It's a new year a System Preferences those little menu bar thing it's pretty nice natively on back and I'm Mavericks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2795">TS</a>]
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00:47:14 ◼ ► Thank you very much to that place from Georgia. So God help me but I'm about to bring up comics. Skip skip skip. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► I actually don't really have that much to say about the comics ology Amazon thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► but I thought I should at least ask you too if you had anything to say to me it seems like everyone is acting selfishly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► as expected and there's nothing here to real nothing here. No but what do you guys think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► I think Merlin covered a very well on back to work this week so it will be useless in that he did a really good job of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► covering the the nuance of this problem I mean my I had a quick blog post about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► and I'm not going to rehash it here basically my opinion is that Amazon as the new owners are coming solid going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► doing what they always do the kind of. When the always do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► It's not really a surprise to anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► and it shouldn't be a surprise anybody the Dems on that in a way they always do and it kind of sucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► but they have their reasons and that's it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► Whenever we talk about tech topics where there is something that upsets you know basically you know people who aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► into following the tech industry and they get angry about it on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► and there are blog posts of like that of this a couple different reactions that I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► and that are you know sort of reaction types. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► One is easy one where people like people are part of his her particular company if they're like one company I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► like another company whatever happens they're going to find out why this proves that Google is evil why this proves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► that Apple is evil like whatever like that they have their favorite company they have become if they don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► whatever happens those people come out of the work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► and do that so you have people who are really the Amazon fans defending Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► and people who hate Apple's thing it's Apple's fault because you know that a straight up the other way as people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► trying to figure out what's really going on and saying well it's really nobody's fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► and it is kind of sort of trying to do the middle of the road type thing where they don't want to assign blame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► and just like well just the way it is because everyone just has to be selfish kind of like a said before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► and my reaction to it is always a little bit I don't know if it's it's less common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► or people have my reaction just not read about it as much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► I kind of like a parenting angle where whatever company I like the best like in this case will be Apple right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► I know something bad will happen and I will decide that I'm very disappointed in the company that I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► and thumbs down instead of the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► and then taking out that is something I don't like it like oh well you know you are the company I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► and this is your fault instead I will say what is it that my company did to cause this to happen you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► disappointed in my child like that I hold that I hold my children to a higher standard right is I don't care what other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► kids are doing. Why were you involved in so I mean maybe that's not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/2995">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► Real origin of the thing was just you know like the way I was thinking as I got my first reaction is always to blame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► Apple is it because I dislike Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► No it's because I expect more of them you know I mean like that I have a high standard I'm disappointed in them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► Yeah and we should point out by the way what we're talking about in case anyone was living under a rock this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► and didn't realize what happened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► Comics ology the popular comic buying app for i OS especially i Pad It was bought by Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► and then like within a month they was on did basically just with the Kindle app does which is they removed the ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► for comics ology to purchase for a new comic issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► and that even our term comic issues I'm sorry my comics person so anyway I'm not sorry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► and so now you have to like go out to the Amazon Web site separately by early cause all you have sight by is on by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► comics there and then go into the app and download them exactly where the Kindle app works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► and that's almost entirely just to avoid paying Apple to thirty percent on the net on purchases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► and Apple has a couple of rules that you know that you have to you know given the thirty percent on an emperor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► and also that if you have a way on your site to for people to pay you without going through Apple for something that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► digital you can't advertise that in the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► and you can't link to it from the apps so you can't for instance like you can just have an app like a link in the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► that kicks you at a safari first second you enter your credit card stuff on on your site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► and then kicks you back in the app that's that's no longer that was that was only allowed for two weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► So the issue is obviously you know comics ology under Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► and as I did not want to keep paying Apple thirty percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► and many people are blaming Apple for this including John I guess many people are are blaming Apple saying well they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► shouldn't be taking thirty percent or they shouldn't have that rule that you can't lie to your store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► and that's certainly. You know something worth discussing and a lot of people are mad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► How much algae because they're ruining the experience here making it much more clunky to buy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► and probably losing a lot of impulse buys because what would happen I guess from what I've heard is that you get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► end of a comic and it would ask you to buy the next issue and you could buy right there in start reading it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► and you can't do that as easily anymore so that's probably going to impact sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► and only explain why blame out of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► and have planned out before it ever since to do the same thing with the Kindle app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► and it's not about the takeovers it's about the big picture in the big picture is the technology exists to provide an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► experience that customers like and not only just the customers like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► but that actually is beneficial to the people selling the goods as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► Like you said the ability to just write in the app impulse purchase comics every comic I've ever purchased in my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► with the exception of I think one flimsy paperback and I'm a comic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► Back when I was fifteen years old has been through the comic ology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► and why because it is so ridiculously easy I'm not even in the cult I don't even like comics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► but I've got the columns are the app and if you read one issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► and ever put the buttons that you want to be the next one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► and put little present in whatever you tap the button like that the whole killer that is the killer app of the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► Store the fact that you can with your thumb go and the game goes you know it goes awry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► and I mean it's that they don't think that the barrier to entry so low so technology exists for sure to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► and the experience is really awesome for customers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► and it's usually pretty good for the people selling the stuff too because they sell more stuff because the barrier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► Anything that prevents that from happening anything that says yeah we could do this and yeah it would be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► but I don't care what the bodice is about like well they have to get thirty percent of its there then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► when I have a flat I don't I don't want to hear about the reasons. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► All I know is this is technologically possible it is not financially infeasible but it doesn't happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► and so you say Well Apple's us through Amazon is choosing not to follow them it's Amazon's fault for doing that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► This is not just one occurrence I mean I guess Kendall is also Amazon as well but like a lot of the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3235">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► Don't have thirty percent to shave off to give the apple and he said well they used to pay way more than that brick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► and mortar retail store if that's true as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► We're supposed to be getting better over time in that like the the value you're getting out of being in the in the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► Store is that we're thirty percent of the relationship you have with a retail establishment even though they took more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► off was much more complicated in terms of the English you know for books in the case of books being able to ship things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► back and dealing with them in Torreon having remainders market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► and like I would think that we would be having more efficiencies in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► and I'm not saying they should charge less than the thirty percent not saying they shouldn't charge their percent on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► saying that it is in Apple's interest as the platform owner to figure out what they have to do to make it so there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► good experience that is that is definitely a win win out over the win win win to use the you know the business beacon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► of if everyone's going to be at least two of the three parties here are going to be happy with this they need to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► out a way to make it happen and the second thing that annoys me about is the strategy tax thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► and that oh by the way did you know that Apple has a bookstore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3297">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► and they pay themselves they were sent Don't worry it's you know that that seems like is that the reason they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► doing because they want to promote my book so I don't think I haven't seen sells comics are probably on this case been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► the Kindle Store really burns me that you know candle can you know it kinda want to sell their books inside out which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► everyone who uses the Kindle app would love. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► They've got to give Apple thirty percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► and really there is just I don't think this thirty percent hanging around to shave off of these things right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► and so they I think it is crank up their prices by thirty percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► but then they have to match a store on the web store like all these rules that Apple set up are made to introduce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► inefficiencies in the system to sort of force people to really use their system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► and therefore not be able to offer people a discount for going to the Web site or don't use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► and people are choosing not to use it and you can say well they're playing hardball now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► Amazon's fault but at this point I think it's clear that Apple strategy of just holding the line at thirty percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► and saying nope are never going to you know that's going to be this way for everybody and that's it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► It's not working it's not making people it's having the opposite effect people aren't saying well what choice do we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► have I guess we just got to do it because we want to get. Our customers a good experience and we get more sales. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► They're just opting out and if they think they're calling Apple's bluff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► or whatever I think Apple called Apple needs to do something about it because we want to have you know I mean there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► so many other things that are as good an android. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► But and really give you the option of not paying Google whatever percent if you use your own payment processor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► Right yeah. So on Android you can if you use Google they they charge of their thirty percent just like the others. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► But there's no rule against using your own so you can build in your own mini a big upset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► and I want to point out also Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► when they sell something they also tend to usually charge at least thirty percent on digital good session like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► smaller publishers for self published people they actually often charge more than thirty percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► and so this isn't like you know Amazon wants to give more to the authors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► It's more like Amazon just wants that thirty percent for themselves. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► Well the others will get more but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► nor in very knowing how Amazon splits up its money because that is a whole separate issue of yes you can definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► complain about Amazon they're not great about it you know like they want all the money for everything they want to sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► and give you nothing for they want to give your thing away free like Amazon does that's just talking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► and everyone else because that's where the dysfunction is like we get if we could address this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► and we could buy things inside the thing then the secondary disfunction be like OK well how much of this purchase price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► after Apple gets its cut goes to the creator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► or whatever so I think that's a little bit of a side show in a lot of people like Well this is better because some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► that thirty percent will go to the content creators and that's probably true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► but that's not why I like Don't hang your hat on that is the reason we should be able to buy things I and I.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► SAP It is an artificial situation brought on by a platform owner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► and someone who wants to be in a platform butting heads and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► and we are the loser the customers are the loser in this situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► and in the beginning it was like let's see how this shakes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► but now after all these years I think Apple needs to do something different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3476">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► I don't know what that different thing is everything you buy Amazon you know brain is a different thing you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► You lower your percentage you come up with a different kind of deal like because consumers are suffering for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► and that I think is the primary response addles like oh we just care about making great products. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► It is not a great product when I can't buy cando book Inside the Kindle app is just not well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► So yeah I disagree on this point on that the idea that Apple has to do something that Apple is somehow you know losing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► here or they have to mean there's there's one side of this that's untitled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► and argument I don't think is entirely fair one side of this is you know well we should we will do whatever we want on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► this computing platform because we're able to do whatever we want on Macs and P.C.'s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► but the reality is like you know I.I.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► Is get it's mostly like a computer platform and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► but you know there's no third party software that doesn't go to the App Store unless you jailbreak So that's literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► But this isn't a technical issue this isn't a safety issue this isn't a technical issue this is an ease of use it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► like it's a capability thing that we know is possible it's a bit it's an artificial business constraint. Well sure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3537">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► But OK so this is this is only a contentious issue because Iowa is the dominant tablet platform for people who buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► things and read them on tablets that they also use for anything else in the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► So what if the dominant portable computing platform was you know what if it ended up differently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► What if the dominant tablet or the dominant portable computer platform was the Sony P.S.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► or What if it was the Kindle you know then you look at the Kindles. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► No one ever had apps on that I mean they had a quick little Katie Katie thing that died thank God it was to have data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► best. You know you could make after the Inconel Apple could not make i Books for the candle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► Apple probably also could make i Books for the P.S.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► As a game console game console work very differently similar to how the app store works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► Although probably on worse terms of imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► and so you know there's you look at other types of computer vices that aren't just P.C.'s and Macs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3593">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► Other Other times you can hear devices that are you know owned by one company that are kind of vertically integrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► etc They don't they work usually the same way that Apple does with the same kind of rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► or more restrictive where they take bigger cuts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► and including one of Amazon's own platforms it is very very popular because the Inconel platform so I don't really think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► that it's that Apple has to do anything here or that the necessarily unjustified or there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► or that they're being excessively greedy. I really don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► So your argument is that because other people do bad things Apple is also entitled to do bad things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► No my argument is that you as as Company X. or As individual X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► You are not entitled to access Apple's customer base on your own terms that you dictate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► But it's not it's not there it's not the Amazon that has the entitlement I'm having the entitlement of the customer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► I'm supposed to be the one that Apple is serving like they're they're reducing the value of their products to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► through this fight that they're having with Amazon over this like the Amazon is certainly certainly not entitled to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3656">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► access Apple's cuz that's the whole but the whole fight is over like those two companies are fighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► but we are the losers we are caught in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► and a certain point us being the losers affects Apple more than it affects Amazon than as I can go anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► and selling to whoever them of the UN cares much less about who the winner is in that whatever space than Apple does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► because Amazon will promise us we'll try to get you to buy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► Yes they have their own platform too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► but that's not like they're shunning I.O.'s Android they will still sell where they want to sell it's us losing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► and I was willing to give it a couple years like to see how it would shake out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► But if for example Apple had become ridiculously dominant like they were had ninety percent market share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► Maybe Amazon What a loss this one maybe they would have gone back to selling in the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► but it didn't work out that way and so I now I think it's time it's time to readjust. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► I see I just don't see that pressure being that strong an apple here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► I think Apple is not fulfilling its responsibility as a platform owner to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3715">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► It's products the best they can be for its customers in the long term not just the short term. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► Well I guess that I was willing to give them a year or two to play hardball and see how it went. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► But it is going badly for them and I blame Apple because they're my child I will disagree that it's going badly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► but also one more thing I think Apple could probably look at this from another angle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► and say you know you can't if you're proposing a change to abstract policy you can't just look at it as what with what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► would like good implementations do with that what would good people do with that you know how would that be used well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► if they also look at it as how would that be used terribly How would that be used by scanning people by crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► companies like King like how how would that be used by terrible people and terrible companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► and if allowing other purchased systems that Apple does not run would also introduce a huge risk of an erosion of trust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► in the payment system by bad actors like you know big game companies with purchased scheme stuff like that like bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3775">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► actors having their own credit card and put things in their apps that then behave badly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► But who is suggesting that though no one is suggesting that. Well so also that's you know one of the options. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► There's a couple options to solve this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► One of the options is to reduce Apple's cut let's say they've cut in half to fifteen percent do you think that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► I'm guessing not let's say all the rules are the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► but the cut goes down the most feasible option for feeling like what's a practical solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► when you actually want them to do two things one on it I think aside they should make it possible for someone with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► where the catalog volume the size of conduct ology let alone Amazon itself if there's any limit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► Amazon is going to hit it with like you know an Amazon dot com for example you know like that sells everything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► Milan sells because their catalogs mess. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► But anyway make sure that's all set make sure you have a system in place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► and then what I would change about it is it's ridiculous that they have this hard line thing where it's got to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► seventy thirty with everyone cut a deal with them with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► I think it's not insane like oh it's unfair why did they get a special deal because they're Amazon dot com You're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► Amazon dot com You get a different deal I don't think that's unreasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► and Apple seems so tied like it's seventy thirty and never changes every street equally is not nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► It stops being a ten of a strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► when your consumers are made to have worse experiences because of I don't know what crazy principle that you want like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► you know each individual apple developer to feel fair I don't think it's unreasonable to cut a deal with them about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► The terms that you don't even need to be public I don't care what Amazon and Apple have to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► or with each other behind closed doors deal to happen. Just do what you have to do. If someone complains. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► Hey Amazon getting a special deal when you get to be the size of Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► and then you'll get a special deal too like is that crazy in my my breaking secret rules of the App Store by suggesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► this insane idea. Well it would be breaking with a lot of precedent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► Historically Apple has generally very consistently enforce the same rules for everybody big and small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► and much of the big companies chagrin and a lot of cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► but they generally do not negotiate major exceptions to rules like that even with companies big in Amazon or Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► or the New York Times very point that they really have not done that and I agree they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► and I think it's only that they haven't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► See I don't know I mean there is you know a lot of the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► and a lot of its problems honestly are because of this this kind of like almost sort of mostly democratic system that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► or it is in a lot of respects like the top list is you know famously minimally filtered you see like crabby scam out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► there all the time because they're not really monitoring it that closely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► and you know it's worth arguing whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► But but most for the most part the app store is run on a pretty level playing field. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3953">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► Where big companies are not allowed to break rules that small companies can't also break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► but not breaking a rule if you if you have a deal like the anger in the chatter about this is a dress a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► things then to me says they really think that of Amazon is given a better deal they will automatically pass the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► to the counting prints Not course not I didn't say that down that anyone said that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► Again we're not talking about Hamelin demise of the money there's a whole separate issue that's totally not what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► talking about I don't know what Amazon would do with a probably not because that's not how they work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► and then people feel like comparing it to like bribes and corruption. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► This is it's a business relationship when you win when Apple is buying parts from someone who makes like screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► or widgets or whatever. They negotiate a deal to buy those screens. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► They get a better price than you do if you want to buy ten of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► and corruption is just how business works you get volume discounts if you're going to drive a certain amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► I don't think that's corruption or bribe that's that's just that's just how business works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► and no one else is entitled to see how much sense I'm paying you for screen that would not entitle to see that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4016">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► Like that's individual contracts with businesses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► Someone's bring up anti trust Apple doesn't have the market share in any market to be even remotely considered trendy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► trust except of the crazy people who are going to say that Apple has a monopoly on Apple computers I love that one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► never gets old if you know it I understand why you want to have uniform rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► and that's a good idea right up to the point where it seems like there's some sort of problem here there is definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► And like maybe they could never come to the like of a can come to a deal they can come to a deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► but as far as any of us are aware they've never even considered this is an option I mean another example is they hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► they held the line on I imagine a lot of the rumors about like Microsoft in office and why isn't Office available. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► Michael doesn't want to give Apple thirty percent of its software sales right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► And so that went on for a long time till vengefully Microsoft blinked and produce office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► but they found a way to do it without giving up a cut because you have to sign up for office three sixty five. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4075">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► I thought they were giving up on the car if you bought in the app for the for the subscription you mean I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► was a little of both I thought that the way that Microsoft hopes you go is you already have an office three sixty five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► subscription you got on your own accord. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► But I believe Marco you're also right that there is an inapt purchase of some capacity that Apple does get a cut of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► like the thing I was talking about early on was Microsoft Office will be available for the i Pad will be ninety nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► dollars Apple will get thirty percent of that and that's not Microsoft it's not what happened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► You know like they have the subscription model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► and they're free right to free download it so that that is you know it's a different mind elation strategy as opposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► to simply selling office at a premium price and giving ample time to send it right off there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► and like in that case there would be no way to get office without paying Apple thirty percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► and now there is a way download a free app go to Microsoft's website where they offer you the same price as you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► purchase and even that took a long time to figure out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4136">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► I think customers didn't really lose out on that one and I think Apple kind of won that battle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► but the battle over an application through which you naturally want to buy things and consume them right in them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► Apple's not winning that battle for whatever reasons and I think something should be done about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► and I mean thus far because Google is so incompetent and Varia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► and has not been able to penetrate the market people are like will screw up on was going to get an android because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► you're not like I think I've had to go back. You know again I think it's apples still. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► Maybe that's what they think they're like we're still in the driver's seat eventually will win this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► but there's a lot of years of suffering have gone on already with the Kindle app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► and it's just going to the comics ology is is a drop in the bucket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► and we just see a lot of it because you know we know people who read comics and are angry about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► but I think it is a way of a type that will continue coming up until someone figure something out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► So what about this as a proposed alternative. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► So the Times in which we all get bitter about the thirty percent seem to be as so far as I can tell. He's selling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4192">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► So Amazon or comics ology is reselling the the comics in their app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► What if Apple announced that hey if you come to us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► and can prove to us that you're a reseller then we'll drop the fee to fifteen percent or something like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► And so for things like games where you're not really reselling anything and then you still pay the thirty percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► and you can't just make a shell company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► and say yes I promise that the shell company isn't me you have to actually go to someone in Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► and prove to them by whatever means they want that you are simply reselling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► and you are not providing your own original content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► and thus it's not it's not reasonable to give Apple thirty percent you will give them the lower tier cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► but you don't need to think that hard about this you can do think if you're so stuck on doing uniform rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► or you just like volume discounts if you sell X. Amount of dollars we get X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► Percent and if you know ten billion dollars I mean like there are plenty like it which Microsoft does that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► These are not like new technologies in the world of business like this our business is work forever is just of the apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► Can we apply this uniformly to everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► and not have any variability for volume so that if you sell three in purchases for virtual coins versus thirty billion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► in purchases you get exactly the same percentage and I think in being endeavour and you know the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► and it's only a problem until like it's making your platform worse to deploy applications on the Kindle app is worse on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► i OS in this respect than it is on other platforms that allow purchase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► and comics ology just got worse because the previous company that owned it was going to bite the bullet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► and give the thirty percent surely shaving its margins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► and potentially also showing how much money go to kind of creators [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► but who cares they were willing to do this because that was how they got traction they got enough traction the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► bought of Amazon from a Sun doesn't need traction Amazon is Amazon dot com So yeah they take with everything because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► when I was on does it's not like I'm saying Amazon is the scorpion here it's like well it's in its nature it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► do that like I think I was on those play evil things too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► On thinking about it why is the platform that I use on my tablet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4317">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► Getting worse for me to do things I like to do on it and I just want it to be worked out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► Marco before you jump in I just like to point out I understand the scorpion reference I said I'm going to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► critical and you listened you know John you're you're assuming that Apple needs to address this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► and you're in your position you're arguing that it is an assumption you're you're arguing that Apple needs to fix this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► and I just don't see the urgent need and I think the Kindle app being this way for so long I mean it's been what four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► or five years to probably three or four years of the going to have been this way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► That's been there long enough and it doesn't seem to really be affecting Apple sales or customer satisfaction. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► You know overall it doesn't seem to be that that you know Apple's really like being held to the fire here that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► I don't I don't see the big push I don't see why they would have to do any of these things why they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► and by the way I think lowering their cut too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► Anything would not please Amazon I think Amazon wants to own the whole experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► and the whole processing of anything that is potentially right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► But then but at that point I could stop blaming Apple and say Well Apple offered them my point or one percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► and it's all rejected it's like all that viable holding. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► Yeah I mean honestly I really do think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► and if I want to own the entire customer process not just that commission they want they want everything to be going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► through them only and so they have full control and full access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► and I really don't think that a rate cut would do it for them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► Well the idea that like they don't need to do it because like well they've been doing it for years and Kindle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► It's difficult to tell or hasn't heard them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► but like the one thing I would point to that like a metric to say well maybe they would have sold more i Pads of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► could have bought they like a hard to prove like rarer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► but the one thing you can point to is gold Tim Cook's favorite customer sat kind of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► or sat around people who read comics has suddenly gone down I can tell you that and I think customer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► and didn't have a deal like customer sat on people who use the Kindle app would go you know WAY higher for their i Pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► that they could buy things trip you think about that like some people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4436">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► They consider their i Pad like it's my comic reading device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► and like that's what they use for I bet there are people out there who can settle their Kindle reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► and if suddenly those people could buy the things like they got to the end of series one of the book series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► and it was a little page at the end of the Kindle day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► and said Do you want to start writing the next one tap the button you tap the button a little spinner pay for two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:17 ◼ ► seconds and you're reading the next book. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4457">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► Their customer sat with their i Pad would go up like that is a metric that you can track that they talk about a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► Is it causing people to not buy pads I don't like maybe Customer satisfaction is disconnected from their bottom line in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► but they do care about it because that's their whole thing is like we're trying to make great products that make people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► And here's a case where they're intentionally choosing not to do something that they know make people happy because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► a fight they're having with a competitor about pricing and I so I guess that it's OK to do that for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► but the way it shaking out doesn't seem like Amazon is going to budge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► and you know customer satisfaction with these experiences they're still not going up to the level they know it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► or going down in the cases where applications of the backslide. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4497">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► So assuming that there's no rate change that could get Amazon to actually accept that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► and do everything directly through apple assuming that the only thing that would allow them to offer an app purchases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► on Apple's platforms in a way that Amazon would approve would be to do a Google allows which is to just have their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► payment processing in the app that you know an apple would just remove the rule that you can't do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► Do you think the net gain from that in overall Apple ecosystem customer satisfaction assuming that anybody else could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► do that same thing assuming that you had said earlier like assuming that you know King could put their own payment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► system in candy crush to make thirty percent more and that any random After put their own credit card system in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4536">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► but you keep you keep going back to your own payment system No the suggestion that I would never suggest that people be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► able to do their own payment systems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► So you're basically putting forth the idea that Apple should negotiate a lower rate with Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► and then Amazon would probably accept a lower rate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► It's not just Amazon like Sam is on a hard place hardball like we will give you a red cent. You'll never get any of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4554">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► Thing I think if you don't you know if for example Amazon's policy was if you don't let us implement our own payment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► and then I would say that Apple interest not to say well you implementing your own payment system would make it worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► for our customers so it's not actually we're not going to be a customer so I news ever get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► but then that would mean like Marvel unlimited knowledge other like comics knowledge you had white label versions are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► absolute people going to work out now that I was on to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► but there's a potential for other people in the market to say well we'll do a deal for the people who own these comics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► and we will sell comics electronically and we will let you buy them from within our app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► and you would see the people who are into comics they will screw comics all the I'm not using them anymore you can even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► buy into the app I'm going to this other thing I'm going to description plan like those ones where you pay a monthly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► fee and you can read X. Number of comics like a competition. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► Hopefully in the realm of comics maybe not in the realm of books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► or anything else would make it so that other people would spring up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► and say well you're not willing to pay Apple two percent but I think two percent of the reasonable transaction fee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► and we're going to pay it and now everyone going to come to our unknowns going to buy three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► or think of it I want to go to a Web site to buy stuff I'm looking at you know just what effect these kind of decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4615">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► would have on the entire ecosystem and on all developers who and all users of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► and I don't I don't see a scenario here where Apple could make a change that would be that would dramatically improve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► the situation with Amazon stuff and would would be a net benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► and you know wouldn't have too high a cost in users as I think you know even ignoring the money Apple would lose on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► I don't see this is being a net when I see you know bad people taking advantage of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► and an erosion of trust in buying i OS apps and paying for things i O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► Which should reduce customer satisfaction but that people do it with a reduced rate based on volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► or otherwise you get a reduced rate that's that's something that I think would probably only negatively affect Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► but I also don't like I don't see Amazon taking that deal and you're right maybe someone else will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► and maybe you know maybe that'll be the situation but see I just I don't I don't see the big. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4675">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► Need for this I mean you know people or people are mad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► This week they'll be over next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► and even now most of the anger is going to comics all Juda Amazigh Apple's not even getting hit by most of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► but the customer satisfaction with their i Pad goes down they're less satisfied with their product I mean like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► it's like that doesn't reflect on Apple maybe they blame comics ology But what if they next time there they need to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► By then they have long since heard that this isn't a problem on Android and they read you know comics there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► and can buy them right in the app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► Maybe that will change their decision like it's small but you know these little things add up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► Books I think is bigger the Kindle app is bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► and they cannot have the advantage that I'm pretty sure you can never buy them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► and so the collapse was not going to be was ever taken away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► but if people find out that oh if you get a Kindle Fire you can buy was in the app that may attract them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► or to rekindle fire especially if they start using a tablet mainly as a Kindle device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► and you want to said this earlier because the I for me was Mark because the i Pad is so much better than everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► else on the market I don't think that customer sat will be influenced negatively enough to level the playing field. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4734">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► I think you're probably right and that's what Apple is counting on to build these little things add up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► and I was going to send you a chair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► and says that the white label versions of comics ology are keeping their in that purchase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► but like I said now that Amazon owns them I wonder how long those white label versions of comics ology Apple are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► to be in the world at all but clearly the people who are currently using them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► I think the companies that put out the comics themselves actually white label them those people are highly motivated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► get away for a people with I O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► Devices to be able to easily buy their comics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► and apparently there they have been willing to pay a thirty percent I assume they will continue to be willing to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► and that could be a way that Apple quote unquote wins this one by basically saying well no more you can't college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► anymore we'll still get thirty percent and thirty percent from these other people instead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► That's that's potentially true as well. Like I'm just tired of the game of chicken. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4789">TS</a>]
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01:19:56 ◼ ► and I don't want to see I don't want to see ads coming on to the platform and just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4796">TS</a>]
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01:20:03 ◼ ► website and like a little some can look at going to ask me Grampa why why can't I buy things inside applications. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:10 ◼ ► They well ten decades ago three decades ago I wrote I can't do math anymore than old Apple decided that they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4810">TS</a>]
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01:20:21 ◼ ► and Apple still makes the best tablet that we have to do this because of a fight between these giant corporations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4821">TS</a>]
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01:22:14 ◼ ► So we done in the comics thing that we don't have anything to say about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► I didn't listen to the Back To Work episode yet I'm still behind so I don't know if Marilyn had to say about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► but sorry if I repeated I mean the stuff that he said he mostly took the kind of middle moderate ground of like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► all more complicated than we understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► and you know we kind of shouldn't be making assumptions like we understand everything going on with these big companies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► OK Well yes we did overlap although we did talk about like you know I tried as glamorous as far as we know because who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► knows like what overture is any one company is making the Apple who knows what response Apple making to them we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4960">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► know these people are out publicly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► and what they end up doing I don't think this is this issue is going to be resolved in time soon between you know Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► with their thirty percent rules and they're no less Journal payment processing rules versus Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► and their desires versus customers and their experience I just you know the Kindle app has been this way for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► and neither side has budged at all so I don't I don't see that changing for a very similar applet the same parties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► involved that has a much smaller audience. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► I just don't see it changing the volume discount thing has the advantage that it lets everybody pretend that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► didn't budge because Apple can say well we still apply the same rules to everybody. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► People say well we were going to do a but we got Apple to change the rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► and now you know because what the what that encourages is you're encouraged to drive more business through Iowa sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► tons of crap because the more stuff you sell the lower percentage goes and so that would let everybody save face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► and like you said maybe it wouldn't bring out of them back to the table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► but even if you ignore Amazon if they're going to be buts about it then fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► Tons of other people be like oh now I am much more highly motivated to figure out a way to sell goods through the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► store because I like if I just saw a little bit I find if I sell tons of them as a percentage that gets taken goes down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5034">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► Only the people selling the most for the app store are you know companies you mention who are using existing in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► purchase system to sell digital coins to people who are busily into dollars and write well and they are to like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► There is pretty much like besides Amazon one of the one of the major examples are there that would have enough of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:23 ◼ ► impact that that that are in for meeting customers enough and and are bad enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5063">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► and we know for customers that Apple would be more pressured to act beyond just let's just keep thirty percent of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► You know you got to convert potential things like if Apple wants to be able to buy things to arrive pads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► and I think they should because I think that's a great way to buy a lot of content that can be digital. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► And I think it should use a single unified system that Apple controls for an aperture so everyone isn't like all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► things about it that we like. If there was more of that it would be better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5094">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► So anybody who's going to sell that could potentially find its way through the invisible airwaves to your i Pad should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► Some of the Sharon brought up like I had look where the revenues coming from of it's all coming from the big guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► and they wouldn't change the rate because then they basically Apple would be losing money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► Like why would i will ever do get a volume discount of all their income [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► or a huge amount of their income is coming from the big guys. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► Yeah Apple will make less money like this is the problem of this whole thing is that people you know I go out will run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► the i Tunes Store break even and that's not really a profit center and I know the App Store is like take up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► It's really just enough to keep the lights on but it is always been like apples and know their secret strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► or whatever but it has been pretty clear like you could see Apple five years ago rubbing their hands ears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► and yes ignore our break even businesses they're totally not there to make money just to make our devices more valuable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► They know that it is you know this is what you want the type of system where we don't have to do anything more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► and we magically get money like the people can drive more and more money through our systems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► We like that the margin is better than having to make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5157">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► Metallic when to sell somebody it's much easier to December let someone tap another button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► and send get another thirty percent cut of a transaction is going to our system and lo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► and behold years down the line suddenly Apple's business is like i Tunes is not the roads are going to break even I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► started to make some significant money in the App Store same thing like oh it starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► and it's just enough for us to cover costs or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► but I have a feeling that Apple would like it if these businesses stop being breakeven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► and start making some serious money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► and while people aren't paying attention that's where they're going so any potential planet says we're going to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► you less revenue because of your volume discount. It's like Apple might be thinking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► I know we've always kind of pretended this is like a break even the we're going to this it might actually be a break in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► business and we're not Amazon we don't we actually want profit so there are forces against any idea like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► but it's almost like I wish it would hurt them more because you're right that it's not hurting them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► and that it's clear that they have to do this are going to be out of business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:55 ◼ ► or they're doing that's totally not the case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5215">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► It's just like he's just like a little thorn in your side where you know it could be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5217">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► and some day you are going to have to explain to your mom who got a Kindle Fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► when she gets her i Pad the i Pad It's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► but I'm I can before I could buy the books on the thing you will have to explain that to her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► and good luck making it sound reasonable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► It's impossible to not reasonable Apple product is worse in this one small way and it galls me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► or I should just get a patent just buy things and i Books. That's a fate worse than death. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► Thanks for two or three sponsors this week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► Fracture back plays and new relic and we will see you next week after her and she is going on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5248">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► Yes he was said for that skill list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► and the director you want talk about this weird test flight thing that we've been putting off forever it's really old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► news now. I forgot what it is now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► So Bursley was acquired to do we even know like is there any actual confirmation that apple of the acquire the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► said so and I think even that is is not definitely not confirmed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► but test flight basically just like very quietly shut down like it stop accepting new new applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5335">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► or new customers to beta test the apps with it and it's just like quietly shutting down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► and they never made an announcement about this they never explained it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► They just like a very very quiet shutdown and so the theory is that Apple bought them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► and they're probably going to integrate you know maybe first party. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:23 ◼ ► Maybe Apple might actually integrate test flight like functionality into the provisioning portal for A.O.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5363">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► Absolute we could stop doing the stupid U.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► ID dance with with things like hockey and test flight another beta testing type things but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► but I would love it to be the case I would love for the story with test flight to be that Apple's building something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► like this in and that's why it's showing them. But first it was also a big mobile ad company right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► Was not or analytics one of those things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► So Apple might have wanted it for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► and has little side project they had that wasn't making any money travel just you know made them quietly shut down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5395">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► If you could be any of these things I would put money that they're going to do the thing a test I did inside Apple just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► because it makes so much sense that I mean any time you see a bunch of third party sites popping up the developers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► using like water developers using hockey outlasted Alvarez using test flight. Apple hates that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► Yes I think there's something that you know third party developers need to be done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► There should not be a thriving ecosystem of companies that serve these developers needs to do these things if the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:31 ◼ ► they're doing is something like and it's common. So Apple wants to eventually have a solution to do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5431">TS</a>]
01:30:38 ◼ ► and this company did that I would say it's almost guaranteed that what they're trying to do is get something in-house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5438">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► that is similar to the thing that they did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► Seattle and probably this is probably just like you saying nothing ever get better in the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► Yeah it's some kind of psychological barrier that I have where especially in areas like this like the provisioning of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:58 ◼ ► ID limits you know beta testing being such a pain I can't fathom Apple actually making a major improvement to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5458">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► and I guess I will be proven wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► They're probably still give you a list of ideas that only rotates at a certain level still be plenty things to annoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► Like just general experience of provisioning and the ability of people to easily download betas and distribute. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► Like I'm assuming they will fix some of the annoyances but I guarantee there will be more there remain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► Just don't worry code signing will still be terrible so you'll have that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► I don't I mean like I've heard rumblings here and there from the rumor sites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► and everybody that like you know this might finally be the year where where Apple like really makes things better for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:40 ◼ ► developers in the App Store so you know the tools that the Xcode has fantastic been improved a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5500">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► Good to see the language has been improved a lot and all the tools there are really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► but then you cross over into like the provisioning and i Tunes connect and the App Store rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► and the pricing mechanism and you know upgrade. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5516">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► and all that stuff the developers knowing forever I have no faith that Apple will ever improve that stuff because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:10 ◼ ► Biggest have it like the App Store has been running now for what six years five years and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5530">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► and this stuff is almost not changed at all. They've been very minor changes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► But then to think they have been kind of in the middle of a multi-year arc where they've been adding lots of stuff so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► fast that they haven't had enough time to essentially make it work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► Yeah I mean like that the whole I mean the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:32 ◼ ► and there's like they've been doing a lot of stuff to code signing provisioning profiles and betas and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5552">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► and sandboxing in the sandbox bookmarks on the macro opening up like they're adding all sorts of things you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► and revving their compiler children like they've kind of been out running themselves leaving a trail of crappy half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:50 ◼ ► Hopefully at some point they will get to where they can circle back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5570">TS</a>]
01:32:53 ◼ ► and say that's what I hope they're doing by buying test lies like we're OK We had a way to do this before the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5573">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► sucked for years now we finally have a chance to take a breath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► and say let's go back instead of adding a new capability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► but merely make it less incredibly unpleasant to do with something that you could previously do you know I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► and I'm hoping that they're at that point I mean I I say it may be a move in that direction as well no there were over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► the seven hundred you know so I will say yeah maybe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► I hope you're right I don't have high hopes I don't have a lot of faith but I but I hope you're right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:24 ◼ ► It might not be this year could be next year. We have made me an asshole. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5604">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► Nope I quietly Bre launched my website that's not on tumblr anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► but one of the your L W W W directly to a stock car really inventive and that's my that's my second crack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► or third crack if you will and I don't really have a name for it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► What do you what is the directory called for the project. It has to have something it does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5630">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► It's camel CA M E L which is my kind of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5636">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► Where support man you know how to pronounce a word but you see it on Wikipedia all the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:05 ◼ ► It's a mash of my first middle names. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5645">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► But anyway so that's all written in node and everyone's probably breaking it now and that's OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:13 ◼ ► So what's it going to take to get you off of the using your last name of the pond thing as an impossible task. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5653">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► No I mean I couldn't think of a good name and I was so that's so in many ways it's kind of a mash up of underscores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► and your two sites both in terms of inspiration for C.S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:31 ◼ ► Inspiration for layout things of that nature and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5671">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► and so I I look to underscore site after I had decided to call this thoughtless and he just calls his David Smith [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► and obviously there's hypercritical there's Marco dot org I don't like A C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► List dot com I don't have a fancy pants name like hypercritical that I've been using for forever so I don't know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► is the first thing that I came up with that didn't make me gag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5697">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► but I'm not in love with it either so didn't you read that whole post that you wrote about not doubting yourself you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► should not have the title of the thing that says that your thought was I did I was coming that's why I was like if I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:14 ◼ ► not in love with what we've got here but. But that's right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5714">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► I've never seen you use the the list last name pun in a way that wasn't self-deprecating. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► Well you know that's kind of my schtick because it sounds like the last thing was on a lot of goodwill. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► Wait less and whatever but this is node [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► and I've been piddling with it a little bit lately I only do a clock on it four hundred five lines of code. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:44 ◼ ► Basically the way it works is there's a series of markdown files in a dream directories that match the directories you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5744">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► see in your roles and then there's a header and footer markdown file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:56 ◼ ► and so if you go to any of these any of these your L's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5756">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► And during fireball silence he put out M D at the end it'll show you the source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► and so I have a little bit about it in its top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► and then other than that it just processes the markdown files throws on a header or throws on a folder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:13 ◼ ► and so it's four hundred five lines of node using several packages because I haven't yet been horribly burned by third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5773">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► party software and I'm pretty proud of it I like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5783">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► Not enough lawless but I like I should call flawless that's why should they go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► Finally you figure one out that is not so temperately all because that has flaw in it is like the flaw letters with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► flowers. It's like you can use the last name of the I know I know I got to think of a better name. That's pretty even. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► Even your brag had had if I had offered and he was marked down I might replace mine with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► but it does so I want what's wrong with mark down your appearance right on your everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5814">TS</a>]
01:37:01 ◼ ► Again I find that for me I find it better hope that I don't want to go there no translation. I going to publish H.T.M.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5821">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► I know I read it stem out I write it. I publish it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5830">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► No I don't have to say how I was going to transform I don't need to do it like a transformation it's just not the tower. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► I don't say that every of us do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► but that's the way I do it in a way most people seem to like markdown until they make Ollie that's the work of markdown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► and if you don't he's marked as well what it's worth marked how much I want to phrase this wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:31 ◼ ► but the markdown is H.T.M.L. Now that's the other way around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► Yeah I know you can just write as you know mark until it's like once and that them without the police. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:38 ◼ ► Well so what I'm saying is with the. So if you look at any one of these U R L's and put the dot M D I did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:46 ◼ ► Shirts one as example as an example you would have to have the AT and then you know the couple meditator entries. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5866">TS</a>]
01:37:52 ◼ ► but everything below those. Everything below that can all be straight H.T.M.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5872">TS</a>]
01:37:57 ◼ ► This looks I know but like this looks like my thing like I have the same. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5877">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► Format only don't have at out that have met it in the top.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► I just use the email format with the first blank line in the Header section and then I have the H.T.M.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► Yeah I do something similar because I have I have like header format on top. Keep talking all show you one of mine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:18 ◼ ► Mine's weird but it makes sense to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5898">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► So in this that's what this is about it made sense to me I wanted to try something that I hadn't done before which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► and I didn't like the code I don't love the code a part of me wants to throw it on get her been embarrassed myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► but I really want to fix a few things up for I do it like for example it's a good thing I only have to post on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:43 ◼ ► because if we go if I go past the No ten it's going to look ridiculous because I don't see pagination at the moment the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5923">TS</a>]
01:38:52 ◼ ► and I actually already have a plan I just haven't implemented it yet I'm going to do like the world's worst pagination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5932">TS</a>]
01:38:58 ◼ ► which is kind of a loose pagination want to get it worked out maybe we'll talk about another after show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5938">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► But yes I'm I'm pretty proud of it look it's white not because he always says white it's white because I can figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► a background that I wanted to like it of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► but I don't know if I felt like I needed to spend all this time like working out better C.S.S. Because I suck at C.S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► and I for a brief moment like I thought about copying the Marco you know one color at the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:25 ◼ ► and then everything else blow and then I looked at it the way it was and was like you know it's good enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5965">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► My wife asked why fuss over it so I'm pretty proud of it as simple as it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► and maybe I'll open source it may be along if you're even thinking about showing this code to anybody it is a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► better than throwing because I would never show it. I don't like looking at it myself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:45 ◼ ► If it's bad but it's not awful there's definitely a lot of places where it could be cleaned up in and spruced up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5985">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► and made a lot cleaner I'm repeating myself in several places. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5993">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► But by and large I don't think it's terrible I mean to be honest. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/5997">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► How bad can he really screw up four hundred five lines check the scripts Leaving aside the fact that a transcript in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► lot of bad jobs you know it's definitely possible when the other thing is this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6005">TS</a>]
01:40:11 ◼ ► And I'm looking at the source that you paste in the chat Marco This is not a link blog I have no I have no support for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6011">TS</a>]
01:40:20 ◼ ► like a link post vs a regular post but so it's just a block but I don't want to get so far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6020">TS</a>]
01:40:27 ◼ ► Yeah I don't have any support for playing things either another ever post them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6027">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► but I mean if I did I would guess I would go ahead support whatever the risk is the real problem is that he likes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:36 ◼ ► everyone is already used up all the obvious characters for indicating things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6036">TS</a>]
01:40:40 ◼ ► and I completely agree one hundred percent agree the one hundred percent the problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6040">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► Well you could steal my arrow afterwards is there after her before your hour everybody uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► and verifiable use of the star for none. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6050">TS</a>]
01:40:53 ◼ ► A lot of other people you that everyone use the infinity for permalink sinners just like there's no more glyphs So game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6053">TS</a>]
01:40:59 ◼ ► over. But what's wrong with just using the standard glyph that everyone else uses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6059">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► If you want to be different Marco you want to be your own special snowflake that he won't want to be a brand where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► can't be your own special snowflake That's Dr Dre The real problem with with Link blogs I think is that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► Number one is is like what the feed items link to the letter which option you pick people will be upset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► and confused to different people you know that's true. So that's that's one problem. There's no good solution to that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► The other problem is when you're when you choose a title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:35 ◼ ► and a length of the post it's confusing as to whether you wrote this whether that's your title of your post or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6095">TS</a>]
01:41:42 ◼ ► and then like some people will get to get to your link post permalink page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6102">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► and not realize that that big title at the top is a link to something else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:52 ◼ ► Well I mean you can avoid that by not making that the title to be a link to anything on the page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6112">TS</a>]
01:41:57 ◼ ► when you're viewing it and I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6117">TS</a>]
01:42:01 ◼ ► when you're viewing just the page it just shows that story the title is not a link everybody thought the title is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6121">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► link and then you have to choose where you want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:08 ◼ ► but I would say you may go to that you know I don't know it's like where does the link go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6128">TS</a>]
01:42:13 ◼ ► and only post on a bronze from it I would say goes the story like I like the idea of linking from the text that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6133">TS</a>]
01:42:20 ◼ ► write to the thing you're talking about and not relying on the title to fill that role than kind of redundant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6140">TS</a>]
01:42:26 ◼ ► but then I don't like that the big problem link blogging is that all of these questions like there's no clear good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6146">TS</a>]
01:42:33 ◼ ► solution like whatever you pick is going to have to pick one of people and people have to get used to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6153">TS</a>]
01:42:40 ◼ ► Yeah there is that's one of the worst but most people don't think either of us any more these days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6160">TS</a>]
01:42:44 ◼ ► Kind of takes care of it so I just use both I have an alternate feed of my footer that that has the other link style I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6164">TS</a>]
01:42:51 ◼ ► just noticed that earlier today which I had never seen before obviously the other thing I wanted to talk about briefly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6171">TS</a>]
01:42:56 ◼ ► about this was how I'm hosting it which is to say that I'm put I put it on her Roku because for anyone where I know as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6176">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► they call it it is absolutely free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► and I have from what I can tell this didn't get absolutely crushed under the load of live listeners. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:13 ◼ ► But but what was unique to me was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6193">TS</a>]
01:43:19 ◼ ► when I went to deploy to Heroku having never used Heroku before I looked at how to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6199">TS</a>]
01:43:27 ◼ ► and what it amounted to was I needed to add a proc file to my source which specifies that it is a Web site not like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6207">TS</a>]
01:43:36 ◼ ► worker's anything like that and it's a node [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6216">TS</a>]
01:43:40 ◼ ► and which node file to run I needed to clean up my package Jason which defines what my dependencies are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6220">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► But that was it and then I pushed to a get repository that they set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:53 ◼ ► and suddenly I had a website I now know their system anymore because I thought it was generating static files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6233">TS</a>]
01:43:59 ◼ ► but I forgot that. Actually using a code runs when you know I got a static. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6239">TS</a>]
01:44:04 ◼ ► Well in so basically everything is generated on the fly leisurely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6244">TS</a>]
01:44:09 ◼ ► but once it's generated it's held in memory for some amount of time I don't recall. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6249">TS</a>]
01:44:14 ◼ ► So you're right it isn't static but nevertheless I would assume that it should hold up to some pretty heavy load. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6254">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► Well you can do the the credit thing which I considered before I decided even this was too much work with make a system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► a demo here it's web pages and is Croyde yourself to create your static pages and upload the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:35 ◼ ► or maybe someone in your ignorance coming through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6275">TS</a>]
01:44:38 ◼ ► but if I have everything in memory how is it going to be that hard to answer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6278">TS</a>]
01:44:43 ◼ ► Because billion requests like it's all there it's rendered H.T.M.L. In memory. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6283">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► I just gotta look it up from a hash and dump it to the to the to the requests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:53 ◼ ► or to the response object so what else is there to worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6293">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► but the thing with with all the static blogging systems static blogging is is really great but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► and I use it on my site but you can get almost all of the benefit from just caching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:11 ◼ ► and we can start a blog you have to change a few things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6311">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► If you do static want to main things is you have to serve the same markup to everybody in the same seat like you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► to serve the same content for every hit you can do server side browser detection or device to action. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:26 ◼ ► Altering what you send in a mobile way out separately like you have to serve everyone the same market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6326">TS</a>]
01:45:31 ◼ ► but with responsive design and with the removal of comments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6331">TS</a>]
01:45:35 ◼ ► or even outsourcing comments to other services like discussed where you just embed a static javascript link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6335">TS</a>]
01:45:40 ◼ ► and the thing works. You know if you really all dynamic functionality to javascript embeds or to C.S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6340">TS</a>]
01:45:48 ◼ ► With response Bisan then it works now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6348">TS</a>]
01:45:51 ◼ ► You can do that exact same thing either through a static system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6351">TS</a>]
01:45:54 ◼ ► or just just put like a caching proxy in front of your server and put like you know. Varnish or our engine X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6354">TS</a>]
01:46:01 ◼ ► In caching mode you know put those in furniture we're just have a cash every hit for one second. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6361">TS</a>]
01:46:08 ◼ ► That's it cash every pay your service with T.T.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6368">TS</a>]
01:46:10 ◼ ► Of one second you'll be able to tolerate almost every possible flood of traffic you will ever get. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6370">TS</a>]
01:46:16 ◼ ► Even if the thing to be generated from a database on every hit that actually gets through it's a static point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6376">TS</a>]
01:46:23 ◼ ► and it does offer high performance but it also just offers a pretty strong degree of simplicity for deployment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6383">TS</a>]
01:46:29 ◼ ► So the again I like I'm not doing it for performance reasons doink isn't cheap. Hank is there anywhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6389">TS</a>]
01:46:35 ◼ ► SUPER to like I don't need anything to run any code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6395">TS</a>]
01:46:37 ◼ ► and that's like it's not just people like you have the most options like it will literally work everywhere there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6397">TS</a>]
01:46:42 ◼ ► you don't need to run anything you don't need to have any in software there is no software like that's static blogging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6402">TS</a>]
01:46:48 ◼ ► is not underarms reasons it's just mostly for just you have all the options in the world it's going to work everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6408">TS</a>]
01:46:54 ◼ ► on every single hosting thing you can possibly imagine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6414">TS</a>]
01:46:56 ◼ ► And yes it will also happen to be performant and all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6416">TS</a>]
01:46:59 ◼ ► but that's not really why you're doing it like it just keeps the whole Ana there is software they just move it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6419">TS</a>]
01:47:04 ◼ ► I mean that's what they like you said there's no suburb unless you're actually writing H.T.M.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6424">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► Pages which most people are not doing. There absolutely is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:11 ◼ ► Software involved and it has to be maintained and has to run somewhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6431">TS</a>]
01:47:14 ◼ ► It is running on your computer like the thing that generates the files. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6434">TS</a>]
01:47:20 ◼ ► but you control that like it's not your deployment options are unlimited you can move from one hosting provider to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6440">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► another you don't have to worry if they if they don't it's a board no day as sir. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► DEVORE different version or make something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:31 ◼ ► or complicated thing you need a different point it's like it is arcing file somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6451">TS</a>]
01:47:36 ◼ ► and that's you know if you have a site that actually gets traffic then you don't worry about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6456">TS</a>]
01:47:40 ◼ ► and find write some code to play I don't like my site doesn't get in traffic I want the cheapest possible thing I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6460">TS</a>]
01:47:45 ◼ ► possibly get and that ends up being static hosting and you know if you get what you pay for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6465">TS</a>]
01:47:50 ◼ ► but US That's why I did it static [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6470">TS</a>]
01:47:52 ◼ ► and that now because I was looking performance like Occasionally I do get traffic Burress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6472">TS</a>]
01:47:56 ◼ ► and it's nice that I don't have to worry about them because again stay on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6476">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► But it is super staggers and some people like well it's static [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► but I use like you know some server side include system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:07 ◼ ► or something to put in headers No one hundred percent static Yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6487">TS</a>]
01:48:10 ◼ ► and that's the thing is that admitted Li this is dynamic the first run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6490">TS</a>]
01:48:14 ◼ ► but like I said you know as soon as I've parsed the markdown for any of these pages it's held in memory for at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6494">TS</a>]
01:48:21 ◼ ► half an hour if not more than that until I either deliberately toss the cash or you know at times out of whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6501">TS</a>]
01:48:28 ◼ ► So this isn't a challenge or anything like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6508">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► but I I feel like I should in principle be able to understand it to handle a crowd or the traffic without crumbling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:39 ◼ ► Yeah like years of static in the respect that really matters for performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6519">TS</a>]
01:48:42 ◼ ► and that you're not like talking to it you're not talking to a database. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6522">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► Sample the files that you're reading are static they just happen to be some of markdown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:50 ◼ ► and you do a little bit of post processing in memory and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6530">TS</a>]
01:48:52 ◼ ► and it's not like you know it is a single process like event driven right you know the same thing over others that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6532">TS</a>]
01:48:57 ◼ ► don't you know the worry about your cache getting divided through a patch you children [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6537">TS</a>]
01:49:00 ◼ ► or some other concern that you might have some fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6540">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► and really just like me no one's going to read your blog so we're both except really really no one's going to read my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:12 ◼ ► and nobody reads Here's where you can compete you'll be surprised if you could will read my blog where you never post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6552">TS</a>]
01:49:17 ◼ ► which says that exactly if you know imposing nobody read another works and admittedly I'm not good at that either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6557">TS</a>]
01:49:22 ◼ ► and I'm hoping this will make me better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6562">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► but I don't know yet I just it was a lot of fun it was a lot of fun to do I'm still I'm still very impressed with how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► unbelievably simple Heroku was to deploy to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:34 ◼ ► Because truly I had heard of it but never really done anything with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6574">TS</a>]
01:49:38 ◼ ► and it must of been well under half an hour maybe even under fifteen minutes between the time I said you know what let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6578">TS</a>]
01:49:43 ◼ ► me just see if I can throw this on her Roku and if it'll work and the time that I had it not only up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6583">TS</a>]
01:49:49 ◼ ► but I updated my D.M.'s to point to it. It was unbelievably quick and easy and that that really is awesome. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6589">TS</a>]
01:49:56 ◼ ► But at the five dollars a month if yo dollars a month. Yeah yeah he's beating you up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6596">TS</a>]
01:50:02 ◼ ► Yeah I guess that's true but then he's stuck the point some places for snow days you know they also support P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6602">TS</a>]
01:50:08 ◼ ► Now what sort of one of the limits like Wendy's had to start paying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6608">TS</a>]
01:50:12 ◼ ► I have no I honestly don't know I mean basically if I had more web front ends then that costs money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6612">TS</a>]
01:50:19 ◼ ► but in terms of like bandwidth or you know I don't know if it if after thirty gigs used or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6619">TS</a>]
01:50:25 ◼ ► or you're not going to have a band with limited IP like C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6625">TS</a>]
01:50:28 ◼ ► Time or something we need to do is get one of your stories to go over like Hacker News [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6628">TS</a>]
01:50:31 ◼ ► and like a bunch of other sites simultaneously saying The Daring Fireball link and Marco a link it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6631">TS</a>]
01:50:37 ◼ ► and we'll see if you get into the pay czar because I like the part even though I don't have an ending my blog post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6637">TS</a>]
01:50:43 ◼ ► every once in a while some random story will land on some social media site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6643">TS</a>]
01:50:46 ◼ ► and all of a sudden I'll have a spike it's not a big spike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6646">TS</a>]
01:50:49 ◼ ► but it's big enough that I would worry that I would go out of the Free Zone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRLxSEg/6649">TS</a>]