00:00:00 ◼ ► people treating me think that was drunk last show you didn't get essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/0">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► terrible best not to use only when your drunk like when your second people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/5">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► people crazy so what we talked about tonight I think I know I mean I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/12">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► have to talk about the Google Reader thing I think we do so let me start by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/18">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► asking to either of you guys believe in RSS I presume the answer is a resounding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/22">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► yes it exists whether you believe it or not it's all good just like Love III use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/26">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► ours is constantly lot of people have always said that the RSS is dead and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/37">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► dont use RSS I could replace it with Twitter whatever and I think that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/41">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► for a lot of people certainly but RSS as a technology is fine it behind the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/45">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► scenes of quite a lot of things and a lot of people do use it the way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/51">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► think of when you say do you use are as a lot of people still do that and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/57">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► don't really think that's ever going away because it serves water really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/61">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► functions of the problem with ours as well one of the problems are says is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/66">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► that it gives you a really really easy way to shoot yourself in the foot which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/70">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► is you subscribe to all the sites that everyone's heard of all the big like 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/74">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► posts a day blogs and news sites and everything so it's very very easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/79">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► reach a point where you're getting like 500 new RSS items per day and you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/83">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► don't you can get all that and so it piles up and it becomes this guilt in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/90">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► box that you never want to clear and so I usually that results in New abandoning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/94">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► our assessment can I can never go back to RSS too many unread items you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/100">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► that happens a lot especially with geeks and so I can totally see why people move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/104">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► off of our assessment at that point but it doesn't mean that you have to admit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/110">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► the only option and doesn't mean RSS is dead or dying it just means you're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/115">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► it badly and sure you know it it's partially the technology's fault for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/119">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► being so easy to misuse or to use an unsustainable way for you for yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/124">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► that's not to say the entire technology is dead and you can eat people at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/131">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► same problem with Twitter where they follow too many people and they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/134">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► keep up with their feed and so they they find ways around it they skip everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/137">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► is one of the top of the only look at new stuff or whatever you know that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/141">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► they trim their follower counts right you know we think alike you know lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/146">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► people saying well nobody uses are so small but obviously in our circles in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/150">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► the sort of three travel and on the net it I think the usage is still pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/153">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► widespread I was looking at you know group just we did a little before he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/158">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► treated his stats on a website but he tweeted the actual like logline 200,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/161">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► and 400,000 subscribers all nobody uses are as well apparently 400,000 people at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/167">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► least are using it because that's just from one site stats right so that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/172">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► yeah we're a tiny group of people right but you know in the circle of travel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/177">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► computer nerds is big enough to sustain a technology because this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/183">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► technologies we use that nobody else interested in a mean like how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/190">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► people use Xcode and it still viable products because it has a purpose right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/193">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► so that the net remains to be seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/196">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► you know like I mean we sustained winner for a long time just ourselves we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/200">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► discovered IRC it's not I don't think the like the popularity of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/204">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► technology its way past the threshold like it's viable right so the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/209">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► question is you know the technology is viable there's more than enough people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/213">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► want to use it more than enough people to sustain a market for the usage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/217">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► that is just a question of where do we go from here now that you know goal came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/221">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► along and pushed everybody out and then took its bomb I know right and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/226">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► know a lot of people are saying to google said that using has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/231">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► declining so it's not worth keeping up well there's a whole lot of businesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/234">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► that are not worth the Google paying attention to at their size but that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/238">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► lot of smaller companies can make very good businesses addressing those needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/243">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► you know there's a lot of things Google doesn't do i mean certainly you can look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/247">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► at some of their projects and they do everything is a major flop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/250">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► experimentation but you know if RSS is now too small for Google to care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/255">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► that doesn't mean that is too small for anyone to care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/261">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► about it's not so much that I don't think that's too small too cool to care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/264">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► about like now as if like this I don't know how much i buy the thing i wud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/268">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► declining readership it's it's almost as if like they didn't never had a reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/271">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► to get into it all anyway really like I think by the time they got into it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/275">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► clear that it wasn't going to be the next winter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/280">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► you know like ours as it was what it was and it was never gonna like suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/283">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► bust out in because it's kind of like it's kinda like using the day's news and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/289">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► stuff it ending using that was going to sweep the nation and run the world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/292">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► just become like it was already used that was already you know sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/295">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► thing that it was but you know I guess we might as well have that and them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/299">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► having a reasonable free products such a long period of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/304">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► kind of doing intentionally to crash everybody else but the the net effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/307">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► was good really good at keeping their servers up cool is really good at making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/313">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► their service fast and doing the things they were doing is actually kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/316">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► difficult and they're giving away for free so the company like NewsGator is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/321">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► something we're trying to make a business out of it couldn't do it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/325">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► like yeah we're better than Google Reader but just barely and their free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/327">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► and so you know they just SAT there until everyone else has gone out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/330">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► business in the city why are we even doing Google Reader I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/334">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► stop doing that I mean I think they kept going longer than they had to come like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/338">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► a relationship where you want to break up with somebody like just keep you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/342">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► like four years I think anyone who is surprised by this I would be shocked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/347">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► because like I've been looking forward to for years and things like why are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/352">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► they still going every day we all knew the hammer was gonna fall years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/356">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► years like even a blog post about a nightmare reading his blog postings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/360">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► angle yet Google Reader is not long for this world and yet here we are two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/364">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► later and I'm just finally getting around axing it so I don't know anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/367">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► who's mad Google tracks and understand where that comes from other than just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/372">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► frustration I totally I totally see why they're getting rid of it and your post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/375">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► the bond market you put on your website just like this finally freezes all up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/381">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► maybe do something interesting in the area that's also true but I think people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/385">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► are still bummed I was bomb because we know like alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/388">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► that the other shoe finally dropped now we have to have this period of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/391">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► where there's nothing healthy weight for something you know what I mean is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/394">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► already there is only a matter of a familiar for the do it together they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/398">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► make some clients marxist clients be posted on their blog like a very fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/402">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► after very quickly after Google+ their thing that they've they are kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/408">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► preparing for this for a while and they built an API compatible clone of Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/413">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► Reader for themselves that their clients will automatically start syncing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/418">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► Google Reader shuts down and and is already like a number i mean just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/423">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► tonight on Twitter I thought about building one there's already tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/427">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► people saying OK announcer in this new project is gonna marry the Google API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/430">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► and you can self-hosted open source or whatever or somebody else can build a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/435">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► big platform on it I do think though it was really funny that feeling in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/440">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► post they said okay so we thought it was gonna shut us down for a while so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/446">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► built this thing we built on Google AppEngine but that's the thing about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/450">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► like what do you know it's not that we're Google Reader did it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/458">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► groundbreaking it's the fact that it was run by Google which meant that it was up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/461">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► and available in there and I'm sure people are going to say oh is down until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/465">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► recently the reason having someone else do this annoying stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/469">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► operation stuff running a server keeping up keeping efficient having it work at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/475">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► even RSS like oh the declining usership the number of people are getting Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/481">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► Reader is huge compared to like you know you're some little companies ok well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/484">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► we're gonna have seven million people over tomorrow and pull stuff from it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/488">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► that you're ok with that can you scale sure it's not easy and one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/491">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► biggest challenges of designing a service like that is that Google called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/497">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► the feeds and then the client just logged into Google and said hey what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/501">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► so Google had to maintain this crawling infrastructure the entire internet right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/506">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► now so we're kind of unique position right is that better than you right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/513">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► for anyone else to do it you have to build a crawling at the structure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/516">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► has to crawl like millions and millions of feeds quickly and repeatedly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/520">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► new updates do you think that's an important part of the service them all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/524">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► yet it is absolutely great yeah because that's a that's a major thing that your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/528">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► app doesn't have to do if you're running RSS client that's a big deal and it also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/533">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► they normalize all the feeds into one particular Adam format so you only one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/538">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► partner I mean it's there's there's lots of reasons for clients to want to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/544">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► that way service against that so yeah I think any service Google Reader is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/550">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► to have to provide at least the automatic content crawling and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/558">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► normalization of the field format now that they can leave out all the social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/563">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► stuff they can leave out flagging tagging starring all they can leave all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/568">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► that stuff out as far as I'm concerned but the basics of sinking a list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/572">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► features ascribe to thinking what you have read and unread and providing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/578">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► whole crawling back end so that the client doesn't have to do it I think any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/582">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► any replacement has to do those things and why the crying part that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/585">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► basically so the client doesn't have to open up ten million TCP connections to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/590">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► ten nine different servers and pull stuff from it exactly what we see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/594">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► and we see this week podcast clients on on iOS there there is I think only one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/597">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► think only pocket cast by shifty jelly they do server-side crawling of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/603">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► feeds similar to a career doesn't RSS I don't think any other major client does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/609">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► that please e-mail John if I'm wrong I will let you know that actually but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/614">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► I use downcast my feet from my podcast client and every time you launch the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/618">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► has to update it has to crawl whatever you know all 25 or whatever number feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/622">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► subscribe to individually and that sucks and it's a big waste of bandwidth for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/627">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► things that don't implement not modified stuff like that it's very inefficient on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/632">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► like a thin client like phone we don't really want to have some massive on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/637">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► desktop we're just playing in the background who cares [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/641">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► rightists if you have some app in the back on its fine but an iOS that matters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/644">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► a lot when you launch the app you don't have to sit there for a minute and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/648">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► half all qualities feeds you know Google Reader clients are awesome because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/652">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► they only have to sink to one thing they only have to get Google and Google back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/656">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► saying here's a list of new things instead of with RSS you might have way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/661">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► more subscriptions on the podcast client so what are you if you subscribe to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/665">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► 250 feeds and most of them are updated most of the time but there's a few that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/669">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► are that's way more efficient to do the Google Reader way where the service I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/673">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► cross everything than that required the clients across hundred fifty feeds every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/678">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► 15 minutes that you launch them a transitional things like fast forward 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/682">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► years is still a factor that we still have like an awesome teen core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/687">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► processors and R&R wristwatch communicative things and bandwidth is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/693">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► really high and we just as actually faster to call crawl hundred fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/698">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► different URLs in parallel than to ask one server 40 no cause think about think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/704">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► about what you have to do you have to if you so much more did it the radios on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/708">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► longer I mean that's it that's never gonna be a more efficient it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/711">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► gonna be better to go through the intermediate and I will be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/715">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► efficient but maybe the desktop on the desktop is not as much of a factor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/717">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► because we're not worried about opening up opening up a TCP connection takes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/721">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► long time so you don't have to open up one of them it's better than having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/727">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► open up a hundred and fifty but the bandwidth concerns like assuming mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/729">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► bandwidth you know goes away and the CPU concerns of having all these threads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/733">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► going at once which is untenable on iOS device today maybe that isn't in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/737">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► future I'm just wondering if it's like one of those things where I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/741">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► back when to do any sort of are assessing the server like we don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/744">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► that for the web we don't do all the mobile web surfing through a proxy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/748">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► unless you I guess my self and non-self does that everybody used to be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/751">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► bad old days the mobile web surfing had to go through a proxy cuz it had to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/755">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► tear down the pages for you and all sorts of all things in the Amazon still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/758">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► doing it but we accept now the tradeoff is like a rather have Mobile Safari just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/761">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► go right to the website don't compress my images don't modify the mark up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/766">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► a real web browser it connects the real way and we're just gonna bite the bullet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/771">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► and go with that it seems to me that that's gotta be eventually the future so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/775">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► that's got to be the future of this type of service long-term not not last long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/781">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► but also the RSS like the access path [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/784">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► is different with RSS almost all of those requests that the polling client [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/787">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► makes are gonna be returned back with nothing to you know i three of three or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/792">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► four whenever you know nothing new so for the client after check that over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/796">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► over again is extremely wasteful so and one way you can solve this is with push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/802">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► up somehow and RSS cloud to address this push issue but pushes really complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/808">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► to implement all various ends of it the polling was just way similar sites we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/814">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► still have it but you know with RSS I think it makes a lot of sense because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/818">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► almost all of the polls that happened will result in nothing new this fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/823">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► minute interval then it makes sense to have all that inefficient polling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/828">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► happening somewhere else that can tolerate inefficiency is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/832">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► datacenter that's powered by AC power and on a battery that has a big fat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/836">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► connection to the Internet and is always running this app as opposed to it after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/840">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► launch and you have to look I S apt who knows how this will change in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/844">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► iOS apps like RSS readers can't automatically check things in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/849">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► background about 15 minutes they have to be running and so when you launch it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/853">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► to lose all that state from something right then and there are so many reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/857">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► to have that be remote based and have you know have a Google Reader like setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/862">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► where the service doing all the crawling in the client just send you one very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/866">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► lightweight request to the server which is already done most of the work and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/869">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► think the thing that that maybe we're not considering is the difference it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/873">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► at creation time and money guys kind of lightly touching the second ago but if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/878">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► was about to write a pirate in RSS client tomorrow I wouldn't want to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/882">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► to fiddle around with with trying to figure out all the different and varied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/889">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► responses I'm gonna get from all these different and varied web servers I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/894">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► something that's going to be a facade in front of that that's going to make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/897">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► nice and clean and so I can get the part of the app that i dont wanna do which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/900">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► the behind the scenes boring getting the the RSS updates and I can get that out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/905">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► of the way as quickly as possible so I can do the cool stuff on the UI side now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/911">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► as it turns out I actually am a terrible UI developer but in principle if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/915">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► do it because you have something new and exciting to do and you're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/920">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► want to bother with doing on the back end stuff you can do all the UI stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/924">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► in like you were saying Marco having one place to get all that normalized and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/928">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► a clean clean stayed is much better nazis you so much time went by before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/933">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► you compile when you're just writing the code it saves so much time and that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/939">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► don't think many people have very much interest in doing that boring stuff they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/943">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► just want to do the fun you I study also there there's a practical aspect of lake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/946">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► with with iOS apps in the App Store if there are some new weirdo feed that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/950">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► find that some weird format if it's a service I configuration of the parser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/955">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► you can update immediately and all your clients have immediately you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/959">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► to recode the apple butter a preview and channeling they wanted you might be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/963">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► the idea that I and the idea of all all rss feeds funneling into a service which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/971">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► includes a nap I see all the reasons for it but it just sits a seems like Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/979">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► Silk to me it seems like wow that was like it that's that it just smells like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/985">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► that to me and it seems like it's just a bump in the road along our way to fully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/990">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► decentralized thinking maybe maybe we need a new protocol that may be pulling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/996">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► down entire RSS feed or expecting a three or four based on some time stamp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/999">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► hopefully getting your time zone right and everything is not like me maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► there's a better product may be tapped net or something that looks similar to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► that where if you make it more efficient protocol and really decentralized it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► some way maybe it makes up for it but I mean you know the other aspect of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► not just that the content crying but the main reason the main way that I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► Google Reader I think at least a quarter of the people who are regular readers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► use in this way as as a syncing service as in I read news as you know that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► activity I do in some place and when I go someplace else a different computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► different device or whatever I wanted to know that I read that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► other thing and that is really an entirely separate thing from irate my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► feeds normalize them tell me this updates and stuff like that because now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► you're into like a state synchronization that has nothing to do with the fees as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► everything to do with you what did you read so far you know what did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► subscribe to what they do on the subscribe to and that state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► synchronization is probably harder problem you know algorithmic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► algorithmically least to find figure out what the hell the right thing is to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► that then the near operational problem of crying the entire web of RSS feeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► and normalizing them of writing a response like that and so those those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► two things that's quite a bit for any one party or multiple parties to bite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► off because that's what people are looking for you you'd never see the Guru [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► web UI some people live in it but I never even look at that news wire and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► used on various devices on various machines and I wanted to be in sync so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► want something to do that as well as like the normalization I don't see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► that's going on it's more of a development concern so something doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► normalizing doesn't aggravate and for example doesn't cash which you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► thing that drives everyone who authors and artists be crazy about careers you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► get a bomb item in their never forget another opportunity for someone coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► into this field to do it better hey give us a way to delete that crap out or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► maybe have smart caching that forgets it disappears but anyway those the sinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► aspect of it it is what I'm really looking for in some third party vendor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► to hop up and say hey we're going to provide a service for all your news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► reading applications to keep them on sink and will charge some small amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► of money in your subscribe to it or something like that yeah it snowed fever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► is that right fever response to that is what we like self-hosted and what does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► it mean but the problem is like when you ask people to sell host I can I know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► technical and knowledge but I don't know I agree some posting as that will always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► accept your audience and requiring that I mean if it's a good way to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► something you don't know about all the technologies involved self hosting is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► good learning experience for with an audience of one so you're not like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► business you know learning about suicide development but it's the you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► that's hosting is not going to explode now that Google Reader is gone but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► all wanted something to do with Google Reader did for us because you know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► I read something that it's red and everything is fast and all my clients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► work with it and you know and some people use the web interface for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► they're looking for an equivalent or better web interface I i think i I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1193">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► the web interface hopefully is is on its way out for RSS because I mean certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► RSS is being pushed pretty heavily it always was a very eccentric technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► and and while there are non geeks user I'm sure there are a heck of a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► geeks who do and so if RSS like if if the web reader experience never fully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► gets replaced I think that's fine where I think we're going to see you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► think we're gonna see to these come out of us first we gonna see you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► obviously we're going to see that the the backend sinking platform will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► replaced by a million different people doing doing basically doing the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► thing which is just marrying the Google Reader API with some kind of hosted or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► open source thing that anybody can get or use and at school and we need that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► would be kind of a shame because everything i've heard from people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► develop against the career API I've makes it doesn't help that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► undocumented unsupported breath like if you had if you had to pick an API to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► make it easy for app developers to implement same thing maybe the Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► reedy API is not ideal I understand how to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► compatibility with all the people who are talking to Google Reader but if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► was doing one of the projects I would be like ok do the Google Reader API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► mirroring to get us off the ground but let's plan like a much better ABI the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► makes it even easier for developers to you know and I can that be like version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► too often a different places like sure you know yeah I'm actually I'm sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► will happen with almost all of these where they will make they will start out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► with a pair of bootstrap it and then they'll have their own light clean nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► new API but the Google Reader API is probably gonna be the standard if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► is one like you know right now it was really easy to make an RSS happen last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► to do was give people Google Reader username password fields online login [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► that was it now I think we're gonna basically see a third field being added [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► like whatever whatever service you are using the API type in the hostname here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► and then type in your password for any thoughts you boxes I think that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► the easiest way forward for the clients and so if that is the outcome if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► what you know assume assume we have like multiple multiple services that spring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► up there gonna be like this that are going to replace Google Reader and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► some popularity if that's the case none of them will have the leverage to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► new API Google Reader likely be stuck with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► just look at the declines have already written all the code for it you know why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► why would I rewrite my client new fancy but I've already got my client working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► with red is working with it for five years now whatever you know why would I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► change of our new API's cleaner for new development you get those guys on board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► but like thats I think that would be a shame because like I said it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► people saying Google Reader is the most awesome API for sinking and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► keeping track of stuff maybe not so awesome as a funny side borrow one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► the weird little projects I did a tumblr was back back before before Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► bought Tweetie from Arbor 21 its own app and everyone loved it there is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► the very advanced settings fields was API hostname and you could type in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► host name there and it would it would use that as the basis of all the Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► API URLs so I wrote the Twitter API for tumblr enough of it so that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► browse tumblr into et just using this field to say like forever and it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► was it was interesting was it again like him like you got this whole app kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► for free by just making burgers mirroring enough of Twitter's API to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► make this work that's why that's why I'm saying like that RSS like not that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► it's just a piece of the puzzle be like our RSS RSS and Atom our standards for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1436">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► do representation but they're they're not they don't help you with the art so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► what about you might have an API that is efficient and can give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► synchronization information like that would have to be a layer on top of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► and then that larry is that ok with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► defacto that is the Google Reader API because that's the most climax ran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► against it and it's you know is the only player in town and it was free in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► an hour now that's our middle layer and you know it would be nicer if there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► a similarly open standard like RSS or Atom to fill that role that wasn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► like the the leftover droppings of a company that was once vaguely interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► yeah and and it's also worth speculating on why did this little bit more I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► thought of a new theory now I think the real reason they shut it down is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► I've heard from various people over the last couple of months as we start to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► problems I've heard that the staff assigned to work on Google Reader was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► basically between 0 and three people do you believe in how you measure so I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► heard it had basically nobody working on it and so member it had it had a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► bad outings like a week or two ago something like that I'm guessing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► happened was it was working fine for a long time and then things started to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► break and when things started to break a few weeks ago whenever that was nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► had a fix it code for years and so that's probably what made you decide you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► know what this is just easier to kill them to fix because it's not giving us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► enough value might as well just kill it rather than maintaining the real reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► but it's worth considering one conspiracy I think like crazy reason is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► when you're reading RSS you're not going to people's websites and seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► ads as I mean things they don't like about from a business perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1554">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► business reason that you can think to get rid of this thing is like look if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► only they know these numbers but how many people are using it as an API that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► they never see like how many people using apps like reader and that is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► we never and never see a single one of our ads because all they like it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► an API back at all we're doing is providing computing horsepower and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► uptime for them for 30 benefit and never Sierra the people on the web interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► they can show them as they can you know harvest their interests and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► it's just like Gmail like if everybody use the web interface and if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► everybody was a much larger number than it currently is it would still be around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► but from a business perspective i think im very large number of people don't use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► the web interface and the total sum of all Google Reader uses so much more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► like this gmail user base or whatever that it just doesn't make any sense to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► keep it right and to that end if you're going to replace Google Reader why would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► you get into that business of the whole point of the businesses was t it is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► use third-party clients and I guess this comes back tapped out an ad in the ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► well you have super nerds that are affluent enough that they'll be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► spare few bucks a month to pay for it or node 50 bucks a year whatever the number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► maybe but I wouldn't want to get into that business that seems to get back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► grouper with this 400,000 RSS subscribers that's how he makes money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► from a site you nobody has one of the ways he he sells RSS sponsorships and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► you get to your sponsoring the RSS feed which thing that the customers mornin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► I'm pretty sure the answer to both of those are in the RSS feed as well right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► so if you if you control the RSS feeds you can certain tannen to RSS feeds all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► the people there are maybe that maybe that model does not work and people hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► it but you know the apt 9 a.m. I'll certainly more direct passed a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► bit and you get to use their synchronization service and now wherever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► you read you know like that could be that service I don't think it's quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► designer for this thing exactly about you know that's the question of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► okay so Google was subsidizing a result profitable business like an order search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► revenue like that they were doing is more or less out of the goodness of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► higher-level not quite i mean they they want to have access to all the world's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► information and and this and a lot of information flows through RSS 2.0 feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► burner 47 fever is more of an ad by but you know I I think it made sense why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► they started this in the first place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► didn't even when they bought feel very though it's like i don't think anyone to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► Google had any any notion that RSS was going to grow tremendously from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► point where they bought it and it hasn't and the point where they bought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► already wasn't like everything was it was big among nerds but it was never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► like this the growth curve was never never never any illusions it was gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► take off like Facebook or Twitter was no hockey stick curb at the time that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► bought into it maybe they wanted to have it just because like there's no sense in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► other people in other people having this thing and people spending time elsewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► and maybe like the long-term evil plan is alright we gotta get this because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► is a thing is not a big thing is not gonna grow but we need to get it so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► can just kind of quietly put it to sleep which is you know the rap on Google when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► they buy companies you know John Cooper you know I don't name names of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► companies that Google is bought that it kind of like faded away you never really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► hear about them again or the you know or are they just don't improve rapidly or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► they just you know it's like if it's on Google's umbrella they have the option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► to to let it go live up on a farm upstate whenever they feel like it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► i think i mean first of all there's a big problem here but it's kind of a mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► this this has a lot of parallels to win more controversial things but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► what they did really and I don't think they I don't think they plan to this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► what happened was a Google Reader came out and destroyed a very big market of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► desktop RSS readers and web Google just came in and destroyed it was free and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► synced and none of the things did at the time and they destroyed and they held on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► to that market for eight years and now they're killing it now but now you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► I think one has to wonder how did they destroy the market for the desktop app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► apps like how do they make it so it's no longer viable to sell the absolute they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► definitely destroy the services like NewsGator newsletter is trying to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► synchronization services but a desktop out i mean what they did to the desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► apps on iOS apps even more insidious didn't destroy them they just made it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► that you know they were the only game in town for a thing that those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► needed but didn't wanna write well as writing you know and so now all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► clients not reader uses Google Reader newswire uses Google Reader and all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► you know all these things use Google Reader is this the only game in town and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► now they're hooked onto the strain the Google is not always kind of mad at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► anybody so it wasn't the sync engine that killed the stock lines it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► web interface it was it was making it making RSS reading free so you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► that took people away people stop buying a newswire as they could just go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► Google Reader website absolutely definitely I disagree I completed not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► people but I will tell you I can guarantee you there was another gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► guess like who would we go to to get that information like we could google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► presumably knows how many people use 32 over the lifetime they could show that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► growth sure I guess brent controls the growth curve like sales newswire it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► his deal with the NewsGator but I can tell you i mean just haven't lived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► through that anecdotally I saw that happen I saw I saw many artists clients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► just give up and die and the few that were left with a ones integrated Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► Reader like you had I gave a resurgence yeah it wasn't like Google reader's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► website went away and in fact I believe it worked reasonably well on mobile from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► from as early as anything more than a resurgence in suddenly like things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► reader what a creature of violence like they wouldn't have it was not newswire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► was sitting there as the once once and possibly not future king of desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► reader market and people were not clamoring to rear applications but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► the iPhone launch now everyone wants to write a news reader applications across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► all talking to you the reader you some idea of you readers dominance right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► ninety percent of subscribers to my feed are subscribed via Google Reader sank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► like that's how big this is ninety percent of my my subscribers and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► like there's like I have a hundred web interface right no they don't they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► distinguish but you know that give you some idea like if this service shuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► down not only is it is leaving a gaping hole in the in the RSS Inc business but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► this could have a massive impact on the readership of websites like I can also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► boost their ad impressions eventually have to go to the website maybe but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1976">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► one of the reasons are so great is because it allows you to very easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► follow sites that don't update frequently enough you a check every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► so before our staff came out if you had a blog posted once a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► nobody would read it and post every day so that people would go to your site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► everyday and check for new stuff and a lot of people as someone who has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► website that posts not once a month of people still generally yes but there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► great power of RSS is allowing you enabling you to follow a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► sites that update infrequently and be and doing that in a manageable way so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► because it's so easy to read them then those who had written frequently they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► have better audiences they have more reach their more influential even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► they don't write every day and you can get some of that value now from Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► Facebook and all these other crappy services please in OKC but there's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► so much of that happening on RSS as you can tell by you know stats from me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► group or anybody else a ton of that activity as an RSS so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► I think it could be really disruptive come July when the shutdown and sites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► like mine and groupers and other people who have like heavy RSS readership in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► the geeky spaces sites like this we could see major shifts in in either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► direction huh sure we could see major shifts and how people read our sites and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► you'll be able to tell the month leading up I guess I think my Google reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► supports a little subscriber numbers in long lines and everything like if those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► people disperse I don't know if all the other things they dispersed to identify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► themselves in such a nice convenient way so it may be difficult to like counting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► RSS subscribers is different than counting all you can eat there is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► someone decided this was more than enough to put in their feet and when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► their little feet thing becomes bold presuming they even look at their little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► feet thing which is not you know like this four hundred thousand Google Reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► subscribers you know how many of them actually going to look at that feed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► maybe people have stopped using google reader on but Google Reader will keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► hitting their site right and counting them as a you know it's part of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► subscription I'm not sure I'd like I'm not sure how long they will do that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► him whether it's mothers do indefinitely so like maybe the numbers are any from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► reading your site anymore or whether they like have some kind of timeout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► period where they stopped counting you after a while of not looking at reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► I'm not really sure I like Twitter followers I mean how many human beings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► who ever heard used within the last year and how many people are just people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► followed you and they joined Twitter for three days three years ago and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► web stats in viewership things are always kind of food do but Google Reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► at least gave some sort of unification to the budu in like you know you love it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► summarizes it for you it's measured the same way as everybody's using it ninety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► percent of your subscribers anyway so now we that that's going to become much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► fuzzier even even if every single one of those people who was actually rehearse I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► continues to how you to be able to detect them and track them and confirmed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► yourself that's the case is probably going to be difficult so you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► the disappearance of Google the all seen eye because it doesn't like to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► everything grudging I'm just as strange scenario is strange situation we found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► ourselves I mean this is what happens when it when a company you know I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► microsoft word to your company with some profitable business can use that profit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► to subsidize other businesses that its speculating into MIT these may or may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► not be things that we want to get into you know and I guess I think we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► never had any illusions RSS was going to do a hockey stick but it's like my house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► worth worth keeping our eye on and we should buy everything up that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► anything to do with it so that we can some said it was Marcus david Turner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► when we feel like it ended like now is the time of your life and you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► was easy because they are you had all that web crawling infrastructure in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► place that they could use so it was easier for them to do it then it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► be for anyone else to do it or not not so much like because that's that's where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► the that's their muscle that's you know their companies built on we can put up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► services on the internet that scale to any number of people including the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► entire internet like our storage does and our whole business is built around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► like we have we all section the company just works on infrastructure constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► improving it and sort of it helps every service that we do that's why whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► the bar start to like okay I don't care what you're doing before it's time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► get things we know what they were doing and even though our way seems crazy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► you let me tell you that you should rewrite travelgate indiscretion top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► our infrastructure which will delay your business for years and by the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► you're done maybe no monster product anymore but we're not gonna let you keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► running your crazy PHP Ruby thing here if we can help it because you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► need to get with the program and because our program is pretty damn good whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► other random companies you know you're starting from scratch or even if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► some other big companies like Microsoft is trying to get some days and expertise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► and an apple and like they just none of those companies dedicated maybe Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► is the only other one that dedicates proportional to the same amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► resources about we need to get our crap together service I because it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► essential part of our business yeah I know we sell things but you know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► these me to come from well as you want to sell things better and hey that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► marketable service yesterday and all those things and i think is the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► competitor who has the kind of expertise in scale and I think they're still much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► more sort of slapped together evolved over a long period of time under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► tremendous pressure with a crazy man with a weapon at their back versus sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► of Google's philosophical PHD's algorithmic strategy for indexing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► entire web anyway I don't know I mean that that kind of blew a lot of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► stuff that was being talked about me I guess we have a new pope and we now have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► one less hard cast network but otherwise I don't know what's happening in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► world of technology market don't talk about South by Southwest come on my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► veteran of that are a number of tons of useful and insightful things to say I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► so happy I didn't go this year before this or I think the year before that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► that's a bold face lie cuz you're missing out on Salt Lake man I surprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► how are in the whole conference thing of it what it what a mess that is like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► first of all what that's worth talking briefly i think is Google i/o tickets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► went on sale this morning and as usual sold out very very quickly and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► lots of like I saw our friendship own complaining about duplicate transaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► logs that it did not sell out gracefully but it did so I quickly and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► we see with that we see with WBC selling out not that quickly but at least still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► very quickly every year and there's an issue in question what do you really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► about that like what what can you do about that problem and because you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► have any state tickets are gonna they're gonna come on sale and we don't know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► know it could be anytime between now and late May that they will probably make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► tickets available for the immediacy of this year and we don't know and probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► gonna sell out within a half hour 45 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► Apple has tried different things you know different polarizations of like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► have these Tech Talks around around the country will become a mini WDC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► country and you can get a ticket to those if you haven't gone to WTC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► recently so this kind of a priority thing where if you get a lot out of one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► you can go to the other but you know they they still have this problem of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► there's just way more demand than there is supply of tickets and in you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► they can do the typical economic thing of just raised the price really high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► because that would kind of make them look like dicks and that they would get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► a lot of flak for that it would be worth it and like Google is making the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► worse because Google i/o tickets it's becoming a pattern that Google gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► everyone free hardware at their devices that's usually worth about as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► the ticket price looks like 900 bucks so like a lot of the people buying as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► Google tickets are probably just wanting the free hardware and not really giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► a crap about the conference and so that's kinda like that i think is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► really bad thing for group for Google to be doing what they should probably stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► to think what what do you think Apple could do to reduce demand for WC or to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► make it to make itself out less quickly or do you think the evening to solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► this problem is one thing they could do that like you talk about raising the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► prices being seen as a dick move well this is also kind of a dick move but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► it's one with economic precedent and its letter last as they can just do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► airlines doing over book and the reason I think this will work out with them is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► that except for the keynote which I maybe maybe including keynote like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► see how the herd thins out as head start to come into effect and it's been far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► even just like late in the day when people are just like going on fumes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► they just they just cant you know going in more I think you could probably over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► any maybe this fire codes and stuff like that or whatever but that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► limiting them but I think you could over book it and with the exception of a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► continue to be OK because really with the exception of like I know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► because I'm I'm there in every session like a crazy person you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► most people are not really things out it during certain points and so I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► they hit that's one way to get around the city somewhere tickets you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► well as many tickets as he even if you think it's gonna be crazy that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► want to be like the classroom sizes are gonna be to join whenever I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► will still work out because those rooms are not a capacity in the middle of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► week and some boring session as you know I don't know why I think you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► probably get maybe 20% more tickets sold that way not even more that somethin but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► because I'm not saying this is gonna be a doubling in size is just over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► problem is that the the the popular or mainstream sessions really are filled up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► to capacity and a lot of time and they do not have to wait on line for you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► twenty minutes or a half hour before the session starts and you get in there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► you can't even sit down and there's like only standing room of people backing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► in the back like 10 sessions like that and they duplicate them they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► addressing that was like the other one son on one day and then once I get two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► days later whatever like this is all in service of not doing the things out by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► Southwest Division I always keep going to bigger bigger venues like it that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► across the entire city right so you know you can't are just going to like even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► bigger Convention Center in a different city and just get bigger and bigger but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► can you can you get something out of the can you do something to improve things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► keeping the same conference center and everything I think you can get a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► bit more about our booking and wonder you know this year maybe just some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► paying attention but I don't think so I think this is actually happening this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► year it seems like Apple pessimism is at an all-time high of just the company's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► prospects that the effect of competition but rather the people who go to WWE see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► matter people who are selling popular apps in the App Store me da is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► still pretty darn bullish about iOS in terms of money to make money in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► you know how much money do we put into this game and how much do we get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► keep making the games he say that but it's funny I would agree with you Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► that I've had regular people who are not total dweeb like us come to me and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► from getting iPhone again when I'm up for a new phone cuz haven't done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► anything new in awhile yeah you know if your nerd you can say well what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► haven't done anything new but to a regular person I mean springboard looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► the same as always looked most of these apps mostly Liu Rui button is a UIButton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► ey labels label all these things look the same table visa tableview granted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► you have collection views now and haven't seen them use that much come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► think of it but it doesn't look flashy anymore and maybe Iowa 71 could do I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► dont know I completely agree I'm not saying is I think like you I wouldn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► it the same be able to be like still like a rectangle the screen like us are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► hovering above the desk by two inches like well there's there's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► there's like the the people who write for The Verge who knows they're never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► gonna be happy with whatever Apple does that go or actually the writers are good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► the commenters on the verge are never going to be happy with whatever Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► does its new because they're gonna complain no its not like Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► incentive enough in that segment they would they can't satisfy but like Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► I have regular people asking me all the time or talking all the time about about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► comments that make it sound like all this Apple skepticism in the media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► actually reflects what they are thinking like it there is no question that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► Apple's being significantly and severely affected by the attention in the media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► that it gets and negatively I mean really I have regular people sit like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► even a week ago I had somebody asked me how I think my getting an iPhone but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► heard the iPhone 5s is coming out next month so in a way like I here and every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► day of course every iPhone but like what you hear like you know they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► change that much Michael have you seen the iPhone 5 believe me it's a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2815">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► difference the people I even giving it a shot because they're they're hearing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► the media and on the news on the website and everything they're hearing all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► stuff about Apple being doomed and not innovating enough I hear regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► have asked me about Samsung for the first time ever in the last six months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► I've never heard anybody else with Samsung in the last six months I'm now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► and I think Apple's doing greed but the mainstream culture and the mainstream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► and rhetoric around Apple is now that they're suffering and that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► damaging them no question so I think there's only two things they could do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► to get the regular people ignoring the echo chamber people who don't even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► what the verges to get those people who still might come up there and change too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► much what can you do to bring them home cuz I think like outside outside of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► tech nerd circles like there definitely is a medium that perception everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► better but like it when someone who doesn't even remember that Apple makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► the iPhone or just kind of big windows with the iPhone does when they get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► news story like I'm their local news or whatever that there are some problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► that's when I start to get this bad feelings what can you do to bring those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► people out you can't do with new OS overall because no matter how crazy you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► change springboard about how weird you make things look those people are never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► going to know that's not how the phone always looked like they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► compared to that does not impress them that nothing you can get them he thereby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► making a new product that gets people excited about Apple again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► insert whatever product you on your television watched her board you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► self-driving car space ship anything like that automatically those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► like Apple's back at some crazy new thing blah blah blah suddenly the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► seems viable again I wouldn't bank on that happening in the capital banking on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► that happening to get themselves in the second thing I think what actually work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► and they probably are going to be doing is just make it a big screen damage is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► damage that sounds internet done that is has a big screen but done that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2936">TS</a>]
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00:49:05 ◼ ► change that a regular person has its bigger the regular programming notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2945">TS</a>]
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00:49:13 ◼ ► think it is a good idea but I think that is the type of change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► far beyond like a radical new UI or something like that that you put on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► phone which is much harder to do bigger screen I think can revitalize interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► in the iPhone biggest gainers lower-cost a combination of the two because I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► Apple is behind the screen size wars and we talked about this last time of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► resolution of the stuff what they gonna do in that area but those are technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► details just bottom line is he someone you know when the Samsung s4 comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► tomorrow whatever day it is going to be the new Galaxy phone its gonna have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► big amazing screen there's going to be bigger and more amazing her than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► iPhone 5 screen and regular people can see that they look at the iPhone 5 they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/2995">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► look at that on the phone and this label that's that's more and more of what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► want it looks better looks like Android phones that you know the big thing now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► native 1080p 120 like four hundred and sixty dpi or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► these are fairly amazing screens they're still pretty ninth in and yes they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► much bigger and heavier but like that's what I was up against here I think to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► revitalize interest in its phone line in particular it's going to have to answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► to that and I think that's pretty much all take to get people the ball back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► rolling on that and then their longer-term problem is you know what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► that I speak thing and I kinda figured that out there can do with TVs or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► watches are however Karzai whatever that's a wonder I wonder a little bit if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► some of this problem is self created in the sense that you know john even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► talking for a long time about how poor Apple is at services and if you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► about it you know well as Siri was a brand new thing and it was supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► be amazing and it was supposed to cure all of our problems and it ended up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► being fraught with problems and it was kind of a disaster but I think I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► successful in terms of getting people interested in its that phone you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► talk to it on the first day played with it and then stopped using it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► it's quite alright I it has served its purpose that point I think people come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► out of it with a generally positive like it's a positive experience I heard this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► is fun you can talk to I bought this phone you can talk to me my friends at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► all areas two days talking to it now I don't use anymore but I'm not sore about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► it like I think basically I think syria with a net positive for the iOS platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► but but it started positive it may or may not have been deposited yet Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► maps which nobody nobody I mean obviously as nerds we understand kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► the political motivations behind all this but for a regular human you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► suddenly your phone which you previously loved one of the critical aspects of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3116">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► this phone now socks and you didn't even ask for it and that's why you know I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► 6 adoption from most reports I've looked at david smith's in awhile but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► I was 6 adoption was terrible and so the Google Maps app came out well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► negative perception certainly in a lot of people holding back but in the grand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► scheme of things it was it was minimal and it hurt them PR was way more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► hurt I was 6 adoption rates I think this is another example of like the positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► a Syrian and eventually like it's like man you leave it and this was an initial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► negative but I think the same phenomena happened in initial negative instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► initial positive but eventually it's like like and now I think by people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► buying phones like its transition that hurts its transition you know like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► know or helps you in the history of the transition to series like wow amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► thing and this helped Apple get people into stores cause people to buy it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► the transition from you know that a bad thing suddenly this isn't a bad thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3175">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► and maps are bad and they're going from the maps that were better to the bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► ones are just I'm getting bad ones but that trickled off to an anyone buying a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► phone now you know even though that Apple maps are still not as good as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► Google Maps is kind of like oh this is just the maps my phone came with and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► I don't like them I can try the Google one and you know what's the big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► right so I think maybe those two things cancel each other out but I think going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► forward neither one of them are a factor except for maybe reputation whisenand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► nerds I I think like they've they've cleared they cleared the PR disaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► maps and Iran to like now that you know we got to see what the next thing is are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► we gonna have something that's going to be a big negative a big positive they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► need something for the next phone other than just like it's faster slightly but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► I know I'm not really sure that anything to do with the next iPhone although I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► agree that they need to make screen bigger for at least one of the models [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► just excited to see you know I'm not I'm not entirely sold on the cheaper one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► idea although we should talk about two and a half you saw so I've been talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► about the the the weird new CPU and the Apple TV that was just released updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► quietly and shippers has post here up it into our chat thing so that you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► it had a post up that they've been taking apart the CPU and it and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► found to my original theory we should talk about it I believe in episode one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► of the show my original theory was that what you know is originally we thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► that they were died shrinking the 85 acts and there's really no good reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► for the Apple TV is a need in a five acts yet maybe if they have future model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► that can do high end games maybe then ok but there was really no good reason for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► 10 if I backs we later found out a couple days ago we found out that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► indeed not an A five experts it's an A five that is somehow a lot smaller than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► the normally five package show again we speculated ok to die shrink so what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3295">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► gonna do with the new 85 cause the Apple TV doesn't have an Apple TVs to justify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► making a whole separate processor for it so now the the most recent news that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► have is that the processor and new Apple TV is indeed still in a five is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► substantially smaller than the regular a five but the reason why is his only has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► one CPU core instead of two it's still the same process the believe it's a 32 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► nanometer process from Samsung so it still has a manufacturing process just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► now is only one coroner chip now before with the Apple TV I believe didn't we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3337">TS</a>]
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00:55:55 ◼ ► karma them down now has got to be pretty darn low I mean I guess the question of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► like where they just you know it's inefficient use of the ones that weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3359">TS</a>]
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00:56:10 ◼ ► the case that they were trying to get things that one court didn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3370">TS</a>]
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00:56:17 ◼ ► know they've been making the ship forever so many more like leftovers for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► it but given how few Apple TVs they sell it would probably still be cheaper to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► just give him dual core working chips than it would be to make a separate I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► looking at this was the whole reason why the AppleTV CPU changes interesting is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► the theory that they make so few of these it doesn't justify a custom CPU so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► therefore whatever CPU they're using in this is probably gonna be put into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► future more popular product and so that's that's I think we're considering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► like what could they make with a small single core a five and that to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► screams low-end iPhone or low and iPad Mini I suppose it's possible it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3417">TS</a>]
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00:57:19 ◼ ► they sell and especially if they're whatever they're crazy Grand TV plan it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► keeps getting pushed off into the future for you know presumably content related [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► reasons that there may be just playing for the future of the Apple TV and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► unlike the other things that run apps and stuff there's no real reason that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► year after year the Apple TV has to get tremendously faster or they finally got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► up to 1080p like what more does it need to do like it shows video in 1080p you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► can't run apps on it it could be there selling in for the long winter waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3466">TS</a>]
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00:57:54 ◼ ► percent year-over-year growth on the Apple TV or whatever they were happy for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► their selling a not insignificant number these things maybe now it deserves its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► own chip not a big deal chip just a single for a five single Corey 544 a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► cheaper phone I'm wondering how much cheaper does that make it because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► cost of a single core fibers dual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► comes down to the area of the check out and like the big cost components in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► things like I have to imagine like the screen the battery the CPU GPU and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► case are your big cost components there I'm not sure how much shaving a tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► little bit of cost on the CPU is gonna lie is not going to get you over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► I'm not sure I'm not alone but you know if you can shave X percent off of a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► of the key components then that I was gonna say in aggregate in my piano it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3521">TS</a>]
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00:58:54 ◼ ► a low-cost phone I mean motion is not multithreaded so we can kind of look and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3534">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► see a torrid pace for animation is multithreaded ok but most of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► that are releasing that absurd doing for the most part I think we'd be fine with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► single core for a low end product I think if you look at you know if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► trying to shave off dollars and cents here to try to get down to lower price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► points for surviving the iPad Mini is probably the more obvious choice here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► than an iPhone just because the iPhones are still subsidized in most markets so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► they have more room to play with their wares the iPad Mini it they want to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► that down she ended a five is probably even with this with the smaller version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► I would imagine a five is probably still too much power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► GB using something like a watch I I don't think that would work but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► it will be fine as a low-end model 44 even the iPhone or the iPad I'll see you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► think like the iPad Mini I have problems here too because like again I think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► you know if they want to push you want to push to have any price down to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► an even lower price one where are they going to get where else they gonna pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► value out of that cheaper cameras slightly cheaper CPU they can't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► give it less battery they can't rely on the contrary if they only have one CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► core they can give it a little bit better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► like I have I have it easier time thinking that you could shave down a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► phone because it's it's subsidized that you know that you could you could work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► it out so that it ends up looking way cheaper to the customer you just have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3636">TS</a>]
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01:00:49 ◼ ► take any of its products and go backwards in terms of performance you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3649">TS</a>]
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01:01:12 ◼ ► one of you guys just inferred it a second ago what is the point of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► this chip is physically smaller Zanotti so the whole point was one of the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► point was either to increase battery volume in the same size case or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► alternatively what if we are finally getting our iPhone Nano that we've we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► used to talk about constantly and then gave up on if you really want to space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► back to you you just ranked 29 metres or get in till 2022 space back that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► way to do it you don't get your car and stick the 32 like it if space but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► know I'm more inclined to believe the cost is the reason that you take a 32 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► nanometer process that you already have your manufacturers are now have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► experience with really good yields not pushing the limits of technology to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► me one of the little bit cheaper but if you run into space back if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► drive by 49 or something you did you get this much easier to get that space but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► going through a process I mean this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► 20 nanometers seems like it's in the cards for 2013 for Apple products from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► you know Taiwan Semiconductor or whoever they gonna do that and if the Intel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► things come through maybe that's not going to happen this year maybe next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► year but if that isn't just a pipe dream but I think that's the way it space back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► will you see that that's the easiest way to get space back but it's also more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► expensive way to get space back is not right but it's a it's an expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► anyway like it's not like you're gonna stick it there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► forever like that the train is going along and like this is the year that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► were Apple all the other phone manufacturers are already at 28 or lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► the Android big Android guys already have phones that you know I have 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► nanometers quad-core things with 1080p screens on them like they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► outclassing Apple hardware in all respects with the exception of power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► consumption but they make up for it by having a bigger battery because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3776">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► have bigger screens right so you know it it's gonna happen anyway Apple's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► have to make the transition if you gonna do that you wait to put out your iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► Nano until all your components shrink down and I believe also like shrinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► we always talk about the CPUs and GPUs as well and whatever other components [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► inside there not many but there are other ones and some of them I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► Anandtech had a good article about the the process used for the cell radios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► which are limited by their various analog things that go into them but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► those could stand to be mean that's what you know the first LTE chipsets were not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► great and sucked up a lot of battery there are other places where you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► some savings by shrinks or just you know even if you had a 20 nanometers CPU of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► all the rest of your chips are family like 45 are 65 or some crazy size that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► can make you said as well so there's no bring bring all the internal components [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► of your mobile thing along on a train of continual process shrinks I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► can get to your iPhone Nano with that technique and that's this may be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3836">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► only way you can get there because otherwise if you just take the internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► exile like there's a lot of room left over in the iPhone 5 as it is and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► shrinking the screen is not going to have any that's going to hurt you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► you're in for a battery in there so I'm not sure the iPhone that it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► concept really makes much sense and if it does I think they'll get there by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► shrinking not by chopping of course thing to like just demand might not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► really be there for that I mean people want their smartphone screens to be big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► and I think I think the any Apple will very well address the marketing people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► who want to keep it smart phones small with the regular sized iPhone and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► really don't think they're gonna go big only in the product line but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► think they have to go smaller than the iPhone 5 size really I think they might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► a big only I cannot see the iPhone sex having a larger screen than the five and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► then not offering a small one except for spy still selling the iPhone 5s well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3897">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► only reason they could the only way they could do that I think would be if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► screen was bigger but not like a ton bigger and I'm not expecting that make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► phablet will but but the problem is if they don't really make a substantial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► jump that it's not gonna really served him very well in the reasons why they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► should be the big screen in the first place it's not gonna really stand up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► well in a store next to these giant Android phones it's not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► potentially replace the need for an iPad for some people are at least they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► would think that they would buy that it would stand up better in the store just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► a little bit bigger I mean is the question we talked about last week it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► like you just make it bigger the same res which is what we also I believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► we completely adequate to give them the boost they need of having something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► bigger or do you bite the bullet and actually you know whether it's 1080p or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► pick a new canonical Rezko's about the Hindu konaga residents with the iPad I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3949">TS</a>]
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01:05:58 ◼ ► company goes out of business and heat death of the universe there will be new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► resolution besides you know 1024 by 768 points and 15 phone is a need to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► the iPhone 5 as well like that will happen is just a question of when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► question now is it too soon they just went off on it too soon to that the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► generation to pump it out again but that's going to happen and I i could see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► them doing that sooner rather than later if they start feeling the pinch ya but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► if they only make one size iPhone then like a magic pill made one size laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► like what size would that be probably 13 right and then then you'll do you miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► out on the great value of the 15 in the 1100 if you look at the phones like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/3995">TS</a>]
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01:06:50 ◼ ► product design all the sales all the goodwill that would come from the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► who would want the smaller phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► 25 we have now compared to other big funds at least and people who would want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4016">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► even bigger phones like 20 phablets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► its I think ultimately as this market matures which I think it's pretty safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► to say the smartphone market is premature at this point I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► have to go to multiple sizes I was I was on my 2013 to-do list you know putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► on diversified the iPhone line and that means not just keep selling the old one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► as well as your different size so yeah like the reason I say that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► inconceivable that because that's what happens I'm over so long there is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► iPhone and there's the older iPhones the older iPhone still our needs and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► I've been saying they need to do with diversified line by not doing that by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► having you know there's actually not a one iPhone there's actually two iPhones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4056">TS</a>]
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01:07:49 ◼ ► the line we're getting a bigger screen and the way we're diversifying is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► the one with the small screen cheap on exactly which would disappoint the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4072">TS</a>]
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01:07:58 ◼ ► pain that iPod Touch users have had to feel we just want all the good things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4078">TS</a>]
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01:08:07 ◼ ► for how they can diversify their line with the just wanna do inside there also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► are trying to do it on cost them in how they come out with three of them I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► go right from having one phone to having three funds like it it's conceivable all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► these things are possible I don't know which one of them it's hard to read what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► they think the issue is we all think they need a bigger screen does Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► believe that I think at this point probably do some of us think they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► benefit from a lower cost one that I can imagine the bean counters Apple going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► you know it actually that's something that you as a customer but actually we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4114">TS</a>]
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01:08:49 ◼ ► does that mean that in order to continue to what was the Steve Jobs -ism like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► delight and amaze our customers whatever was in order to keep people talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4136">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► the iPhone is one really mean what I really mean do they not do a 5s this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► this year do they instead do either a six or do they do a 5s and a iPhone plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► is that enough to get something non ex on something unexpected enough to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► people talking positively about the iPhone again that's a timing issue I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► think like if they could they definitely would like to say that right now like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► they if they had planned enough in advance and for seeing this like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► would definitely do that like maybe like maybe that you know I just don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► that the current situation they find themselves in they planned on 23 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► out and that's the kind of planning you have to have to have to say we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► to go from you know this 404 s 55 s cadens actually we're not going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► that with the five were gonna do for for us I'm gonna do 596 start planning now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4189">TS</a>]
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01:09:57 ◼ ► they would really benefit from that but they didn't start playing 23 years ago I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► don't think big they're capable I think like they just got a ship what they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► gone and we don't know like the problem is where we have incomplete information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► so we don't know all the hard stuff like whatever whatever the heck else they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► doing this not a phone is not an iPad presumably there's something for several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► things on various burners in various states of whatever any of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► you know make this much less of an issue we got the 5s but we also got that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► hover car no one cares that it's free in five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► like whatever crazy other things whether it's watches or TV stuff for you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► new services are they buy some other company like so many other things can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► not make this an issue but if there's nothing new for this entire year and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► they just have the 5s and make all their products better in the way that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► always expected to make things better I think that will not be a great year for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4253">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► Apple in terms of their perception in the industry although I would argue that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► they have liked grover talks a lot about the concept of momentum and I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► argue right now russian reaction yet that Apple has so much negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► momentum attraction and the press or and people's perceptions of how they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► doing they have so much negativity around them right now and and skepticism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► and doubt that I don't think anything they released this year is going to fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► that I don't think it can be fixed they can release a flying unicorn watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4292">TS</a>]
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01:11:42 ◼ ► released some new product that was actually good to actually be good that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4302">TS</a>]
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01:21:17 ◼ ► like a company-wide period of like two years improving the stuff we have but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► you're right that business wise and market wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRHYamc/4883">TS</a>]
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