00:00:00 ◼ ► I saw the the Ashton Kutcher Jobs movie finally because it was free and flicks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/0">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► I did as well and it was actually well you go ahead you go ahead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► It sounds like you're about to give it a semi decent review I think one of the most frustrating things about it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/9">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► even if you ignore some of the some of the little inaccuracy that ends it seemed overall to get the big stuff right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/15">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► Even if you ignore all that it's not even a good movie because it takes like two hours. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/24">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► And right towards the end in like the last fifteen minutes they have this eight second montage that covers the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/31">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► time span from when he was fired from Apple to when Apple bought next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/42">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► and so not only to the gloss over a pretty significant part of Steve Jobs his life and career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/47">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► but it was also like here's the big gloom and doom Apple is failing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/55">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► It showed all of that into eight seconds to mount a show like it appears chronological it like as you're watching a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/61">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► movie it's like here's Apple here's the big villain Apple firing Steve Jobs because they think they know better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/67">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► And then eight seconds later Apple's you know on the floor dying and they need him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/74">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► and they beg him to come back somehow and he somehow save them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/81">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► You know like they it's not even good storytelling because they just kind of like snap their fingers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/83">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► and all of a sudden everything's fine again. It clearly was done down which is as you would expect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/90">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► But given that everyone handed in said it was like the worst thing committed to film ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/97">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► I didn't think it was nearly that bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/103">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► As someone who has a reasonable amount of Apple history in my head I thought it was mildly enjoyable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/105">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► and the one thing I will say that was extremely positive was I feel like Ashton Kutcher just nailed Jobs's walk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/112">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► and I didn't even know the job title. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/118">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► Nick walk and film watching Ashton Kutcher pace around the stage and whatnot and I don't know why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/120">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► but it just really reminded me of the one W.D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/126">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► I saw where job or jobs was there and he just has this weird like gate to him that I never noticed before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/130">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► I agree that the movie was not as bad as I thought it would be based on what people were saying about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/138">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► But back when it came out but to be clear it was not good but it was not terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/144">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► It seemed like they worked so hard to get overall details right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/149">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► and then just blew some of the really easy ones that they could've gotten right you know with no additional cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/152">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► or anything that they could have got these things right and they didn't but you know more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/157">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► Moreover I was just kind of annoyed that it was just weird so weirdly paced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/161">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► and that you know they if they want to tell the story in detail they could have you know glossed over certain parts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/167">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► or you know added ten minutes to the movie to you know to get it to get a little more detail into the story as to how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/174">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► these things happened you know that whole middle era you know maybe do a forty five second montage instead of an eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/181">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► second montage something like it just seemed like there was a lot of low hanging fruit that they could have grabbed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/186">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► make to make it a better movie and the and for whatever reason they didn't. Now John did you see this movie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/192">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► No nor do I plan to but just got the Sorkin one left to endure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/199">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► and then to clear this for a little while this is true and as K.G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/203">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► Points out Tom Bombadil is an even esteemed Jobs movie. It is totally unacceptable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/208">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► Who is well I don't even know if you were just going to keep going we got one of those every show guys that may have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/213">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► been the one for the show. Good job so do we want to do any follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/217">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► We do we always do we always do John would you like to do some follow up care for a spit a far post from Mike the eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/224">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► roll or from last week. He sent an e-mail with some clarification a bit from the e-mail. Here's a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/232">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► Things you mentioned the bar is set to hide you know everything about gender issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/240">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► or anything else you guys talk about that aren't core expertise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/243">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► but that's exactly what I was trying to get out of my feedback. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/246">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► If to hide any sort of knowledge about gender issues beyond what is observable in our lives then yes I set the bar too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/248">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► high. I don't think any of the three of you would accept that in any sort of technical field. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/253">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► Women in the workplace is probably one of the most studied sociological topics of our generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/258">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► and want to learn about it just like they can learn about C.P.U. Design. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/262">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► I think we very much agree on this topic I was just trying to point out this doesn't need to be some sort of nebulous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/266">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► idea that can only be solved by talking through it. There is data supported answers out there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/270">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► Basically I thought his first email about the eye rolling we start to talk about this topic was that he thought we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/277">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► met whatever bar he was setting as I go boy you go you guys go start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/284">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► and talk about this thing they don't know anything about and not to speak for you too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/287">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► but I certainly pass the test of the bar of having any sort of knowledge I have read tons about this all over the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/291">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► Blogs articles flame wars for years and years like I have I feel like I have read a lot of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/297">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► but that's all informal like you know just on the internet but I've definitely definitely crossed that bar. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/302">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► and as for like the the whole idea that like we don't need to just talk about it as sort of vague concepts like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/309">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► and there's things you can learn stuff like that during the whole conversation of sexism of the past two shows I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/317">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► been intentionally avoiding vocabulary that I know is sort of that are sort of you know terms that are common within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/322">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► this topic right now for two reasons one the people who are familiar with those terms I didn't want to use them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/328">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► using them sort of slots into people's brains in certain areas if I say certain words they mean they think they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/334">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► that we're on the same page we may be talking about different things so by entirely avoiding those words I was forced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/340">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► to explain myself you know in sort of plain language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/345">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► or from first principles of the out relying on jargon that we may or may not agree on the meaning of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/348">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► And two was if I use those words a shorthand jargon then I'm not communicating with the people who don't know any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/353">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► I had to stop myself many times from saying the words that all the people into the conversation probably expected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/360">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► and maybe some people heard that interpreted as these guys don't know the talking about they don't even know the vocabulary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/366">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► I definitely didn't have a cab there but I was consciously avoiding it I don't know if that was a good move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/372">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► or a bad move but it's what I chose to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/375">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► and I think I think it's for the best because in a topic like that where there's less expectation that our listeners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/377">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► have the same background I get we can use terms about C.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/383">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► Using an Apple jargon stuff because presumably people know more about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/386">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► but this topic was a far afield that I want to just talk about it using you know just regular vocabulary to describe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/390">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► things and to be honest I'm not even familiar with what vocabulary you were dodging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/396">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► but I would hazard a guess that it is probably for the best that you did indeed force yourself to explain yourself the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/402">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► entire time you do you know about as a handle I get I mean I didn't say the word ally I didn't use the word privilege [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/409">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► like you know those like any of them are going to get it all sorts of even fancier terms but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/415">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► when you say any of those things people people sort of click into whatever little slot they have in their brain for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/420">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► those terms and then sometimes you get out of whack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/427">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► and I think it's better to just explain things the second bit of follow up is that after talking about Oculus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/428">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► and Facebook buyout my glabrous should we also mention the passion is now working for Oculus instead of valve which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/434">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► kind of a bummer for valve because they were working on V.A.R. Stuff as well but hey what can you do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/441">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► So now it's car McNabb rush back together again trying to change the future of course. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/445">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► People get excited about that is like all those guys they did so much together earlier in their careers like now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/452">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► and it's kind of like what me expect next revolution run by two young men another begrudging the old man as of being an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/458">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► old man myself like you know hey we can still do stuff we saw stuff in us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/464">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► but it's kind of weird that like these people who brought us the revolution of three D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/468">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► First person you know hard work so I read it three games are now trying to bring it to the next red revolution as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/474">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► Well instead of it being the next generation you know what I mean so that's I think is a testament to these two guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/480">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► and it's a little bit weird like you know I expect that was the thing with like scientists there is I go you done all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/485">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► your best work by the time you're twenty or thirty you never have a second big breakthrough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/492">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► or whatever the cliche is I don't know that's true in technical field open Steve Jobs certainly had two very big acts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/495">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► in his life one very early and one much later so maybe this is the new normal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/501">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► I think it actually could be really nice to have people with a lot of experience and wisdom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/506">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► and who are real experts in their field which these two guys. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/511">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► By all measures are to be tackling the problem because the art has been tried so many times in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/513">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► and it has failed so many times in the past that like the league they were around for all those failures in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/521">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► ninety's and beyond like they were they saw all those things they might have tried some of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/526">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► or started developing for some of those things and they've seen all of these failed attempts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/531">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► and so having that wisdom in people who are working on the new thing rather than just some twenty year old is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/536">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► recreate all the same mistakes over and over again like Unix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/543">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► and Lisp that it's that will benefit the effort I think tremendously. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/546">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► It's kind I think lot of the guys result oversea doing go like they have the experience. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/552">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► I think my favorite thing both about go and about like Oculus stuff is that these guys are Russian comic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/557">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► They're not like the C.E.O.'s are like they're not building like a team or like comics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/564">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► and they're writing code like you doing the same thing I mean I was in a slightly higher level but more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/568">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► or less doing the same thing he's writing code he hasn't like just travel up that like now I'm big powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/572">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► and I run the company I'm a venture capitalist and I'm a master of the universe is there in keyboard typing code right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/577">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► Mike average is going to be Don't like they're going to be writing code they're so refreshing to see that you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/585">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► have to like the only path is like you have the beginning you write COBOL and you move on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/590">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► and you do you become like the C.E.O. or The C.T.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/594">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► I mean I think the titles probably are something like that but I do. Do you John Crumb I could be writing code. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/597">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► That's why he's a hero to so many programmers that you know even now is an old man he's still getting it done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/601">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► and then what else about Oculus and Kickstarter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/609">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► One more feedback feedback from another person in my call probably only get feedback from people in my from Michael now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/613">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► which is fine you know if I thought I was going to be were talking about the Oculus and Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/620">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► and so as you guys are explicit almost exclusively characterize the outcry as being from jilted Kickstarter backers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/626">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► Maybe I'm an edge case but many of my friends who don't share my extreme privacy concerns were also not backers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/633">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► and were nevertheless saddened by the Facebook news as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/639">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► So what are you getting out of so you don't think we talk enough about people who don't care one way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/641">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► or the other by Kickstarter backers or you know feel like they've been betrayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/645">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► but just basically people are creeped out by Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/648">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► and are worried that now I don't I don't know that I guess they're worried about like Facebook ads being in their face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/651">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► and I'm not going to buy any product that's associated in any way with Facebook was Facebook Facebook is not careful of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/658">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► my personal information I feel like they're invading my privacy I mean maybe Marco can address this if he is afraid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/664">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► that I Google is constantly invading his privacy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/669">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► Well I mean what is there really to address I mean Facebook now owns a company that has a lot of potential privacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/672">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► invading stuff in the future. What else is new. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/679">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► I mean the fact is you know it's it's going to get increasingly more difficult. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/681">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► It already is very difficult now to try to live a life online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/686">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► and use modern technology without having your stuff be in some giant creepy company's database. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/691">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► That's just the reality of how we live you know you can you can go as I previously for two hours the full Stallman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/699">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► route which is you know increasingly like Albany to live in the woods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/703">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► and be off the grid like there it's it's becoming increasingly more disconnected from the rest of the world technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/707">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► if you want to go that route. And so you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/715">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► If you want to try to avoid Facebook stuff Google stuff Apple stuff you know there's Amazon stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/720">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► There's only so far you can run really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/728">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► And so you know my my philosophy with these things though it has been as I said on the on a previous show used to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/730">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► a healthy distance like not to be totally off these things not to be totally invisible not to try to conceal my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/735">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► identity from these companies but that's mostly a waste of time they probably know more than you think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/741">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► Or they can infer what you don't tell them based on your other behavior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/745">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► but you know I think it's important for people to be healthily skeptical of these companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/749">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► and critical of these companies and to point out things like hey you know what X. or Y. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/759">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► Is going to really give them a lot of information about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/764">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► or they're going to use the information they have a need to do X.Y.Z. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/766">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► and Those are all kind of weird and creepy and maybe we don't want that that's fine but I think we have to admit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/770">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► and realize that's just the world we live in and that that's going to happen and we just have to keep tolerating it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/776">TS</a>]
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00:25:41 ◼ ► but it's kind of like it spreads them thin air whereas Apple's us like what we're going to make sure it's the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► and We're going to make that available on your mac and on your phone on your tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► and on whatever else we come out with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► And that's tough to compete with that big ecosystem because I'm I'm going to I still want an i Pad instead of a Kindle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1553">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► Advantaged for me to get him is noble it has integration with a kind of farm I don't care about that you know I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► Doesn't have Kindle Fire integration I don't and is not going to make me buy this to get you know so I feel better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► when they try to show that integration because it's like not a selling point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► but a couple of different other differences between the same empathy that I think are worth pointing out both good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► One is that this does have a warrant apparently at the power supply is not internal so you have to have another one as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► big plug shoving into the big power strip that's behind your entertainment center which is kind of annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► or kind of a shame since it does look like it's actually a little bigger than Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► We're just lucky to even include the AC adapter in the box. Yeah the R.F. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► and embarrassing the Apple still does not have that you know I think it has no fan inside it someone's posted a link to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► an exploded view from the presentation it looks like there's no place for a fan in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► and it makes sense if it's using like you know cell phone caliber parts that it would need to fan the box is plenty big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► to have you know passive cooling for the for the insides there but I think the whole reason this box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► It's Apple's fault for not making apple he better fast enough like the whole thing with Apple's i go they keep you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► proving their products incrementally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► and before you know they're so far from where they've gone just look at how much more amazing the i Phone five is than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► the original i Phone. Sure that's for the products they care about but for these hobby products of Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► Has stagnated like crazy like it's ancient hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► and the software features like this is worse than like I was one point no one there oh you got a big grid of icons that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► and we keep adding new icons to it kind of sort of like think of how much better could be we should have search across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► Voice support all these things that we see an apple all the apples other devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► and I'm not asking for a thumbprint center on a remote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► but give us something like There's nothing that that Amazon a Roku has done that Apple couldn't have done years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► they just didn't and I don't know they're just not prioritizing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► or if they have some other grand plan that is yet to be revealed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► and it will make sense that they've been you know like they're going for such a huge jump over what's come before it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► but they have not. Incrementally made Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► Better at a rate that is they've let competitors catch up to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► and pass them in so many areas for for no good reason other than just not putting the resources toward that no good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► reason that we know of yet again if they come up with some like and here's our grand plan for T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► and It's likely to unbalance beyond that it's like OK well it took them a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► and that's where they were considering all they are right now just like they are letting people catch up with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► and letting people do things that they should have done a long time ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► It's you know whether or not I buy one of these devices it's making me less satisfied with my Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► To know it's like come on Apple everyone else is doing this you've got your stupid you know. I.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► Remote no voice command telep terrible interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► and occasionally as Merlin will point out occasionally I see the stupid little spinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► and it gives me an obscure our message and I have to go unplug lamp T.V. and It annoys me and it makes me sad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► So you love your Apple T.V. Is what you're saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► It's still my favorite Netflix clan I still go to internet place because it has no fan in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► and because it's better than that sucks client built into my television which has to be on so that's its competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► it's got to be on anyway so I could use it as a client [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► and it's second place because it has no fan so what you think about this controller the game controller. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► I mean you can't you can't tell without holding it but it does not look good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► and the history of non gaming companies making game controllers is not good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► So I'm assuming the game controllable not be all that wonderful at their gaming ambitions that kind of reminds me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► remember that thing the kick started Android based console used on that thing also apparently had a terrible controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► but like it's tough to break into the game business like especially We just want to go casual like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► You'll get like it's like being a mac gamer you get maybe if you're lucky you'll get a pop. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► The most popular three games from a couple years ago and other platforms that all real gamers have already played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► and maybe it'll be OK for you kids to play them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► and I know I am of the hired a bunch of gaming people to write games for their platform or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► but I think I did something similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► and it's like it's really difficult to to get critical mass in gaming you really need to be dedicated to it if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► to be like in like you know AAA papa. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► Again if you just want to be the kind of casual games then you competing with the i O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► Ecosystem or you know like cell phone games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► and stuff that's difficult to do to the controllers are forty bucks each if you buy two controllers you're almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► doubling the cost of the entire thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► and they're not that appear not to be very good controllers from looking at how they're shaped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► and I can imagine shape aside that Amazon's first controller is up to the standards of a good controller from Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► but also I mean it's a type of thing where it's like if they didn't do it it's just like Apple I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► and the Amazon way is like look we've got the hardware there you can play games we can still sell for ninety nine bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► why not I think it's a good move Dad and I think it's smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► and it takes off fine if it doesn't then it's just another little thing that your T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► Can do like there's so many things that are devices or go to our T.V. Can do like my T.V. Can do the T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► Not anything else but just held in a cell can do like Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► or Netflix I can stream from my phonology I can pull things from my mac like it does just the television does that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► everything everything is Netflix built in tuner you can have Amazon Video built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► and everything is as support for a deal on a server as it just is just a question of which box you want to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► and it's it's just you know who who has the exclusives well i Tunes stuff is only from Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► and Amazon seems to be pretty permits us but something like something like H.B.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► and it's just like it's enough already like they're not I'm glad there's a little bit of competition here to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► keep Apple honest and try to make their puck better get a really needs to be improved sometime soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► but having more little pucks to connect to my T.V. Is not really solving my problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► Yeah and that's that's the frustrating part is you know because honestly this is a lot like cable T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► Business always always has been and still is you know we we ask these tech companies Oh please come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► and save us from bad T.V. Companies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► But they're just doing the exact same thing which is company A has exclusive content X. You know Company B. Has it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1912">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► Platform why. And all these things make it so that there is no like one good solution for everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► It's just it's annoying because you know these problems are pretty much doomed to happen you know because these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► business models because of just what happens with publishing content owning content you know making ecosystems on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► ecosystems it will never be in any these companies' best interests to make something that is actually good for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► because they'll make it because somebody will have less control or make less money as a result of that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► Well these cable companies like who you got your cable home for so you had a few choices but everybody offered to H.B.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► but you get you going to be an everywhere like there's no way if you lived where if you cable T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► You couldn't get like H.B.O. Showtime E.S.P.N. M.T.V. Like you can always get those things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► This the exclusive her money more like the game console space where like if you want to love to get a magazine console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► it's never going to be able to sell so you know Microsoft owns them right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► Or pick whatever you know Mario and and oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► and Sony games it's There was you know exclusives to try to bring to the platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► and it would annoy like real hardcore gamers who have to buy multiple consuls just for the three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► or four games that were exclusives because they were good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► but there's a constant battle to see how many big players in the game console space can can be sustained. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► You can have fifty of them there's just not enough people are going to buy fifty console so the numbers seem to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► Connected puck market we had apple and Roku basically and a couple of the people coming here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► and there so maybe it's going to be Amazon Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► and Roku I think you could probably sustain them with them jockeying for exclusive content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► but then you've got companies like Netflix that want to be everywhere that also are trying to get exclusive content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► but then they're selling house of house of cards to Comcast for on demand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► and it's it's a weird weird situation that hopefully going to resolve itself sometime in the next decade or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► but right now it is everyone is jockeying for this and I think people better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► Your position as hard as they can because if you don't you're slow I google it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► Google doesn't have a pocket about Chromecast may have got their fibre T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► Thing but they don't seem to be in the POC market at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► and it could be that by the time the dust settles they are just fenced out by whoever the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► or three big people who won that race are oh yeah I don't see that Google being present in this in this race at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► because it's always been like you were not always obviously this is everything in tech is pretty young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► but it's been pretty obvious for a while that the online media market of you know video video content mainly is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► a two horse race. It's Apple versus Amazon you know Microsoft has their own deals with like X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► Box Live they used to have I don't know if they still do they probably do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► and you know Google has a couple of things in the Play Store and stuff or Google's got You Tube though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► and you would think like you know you choose not the same thing You Tube is just a bunch of videos there's not T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► but the amount of like video that my daughter now watches it's You Tube I think it's long since clips television she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2093">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► she watches you tube instead of watching television I don't know that's a trending thing and it will go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► but You Tube can't be discounted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► And I mean Amazon basically I mean Amazon and on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► and on Google is trying to do Google Video remember that before they bought You Tube Well they made their mother said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► yeah never mind we're going to we're going to buy You Tube but I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► and You Tube is everywhere You Tube is available on my T.V. Is available on my Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► I'm assuming it's available on Amazon things so Google kind of as a worthless race [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► but not a hardware thing they don't have a talk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► Well and it's probably not in Google's best interest to ever withhold You Tube from a platform and they had Google T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► Like they did make they were the only people to actually try to do my own Everest boxing and I did a bad job of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► and it was never going to work because everybody entire industry hates the idea of such a thing even if it worked well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► which it didn't so that kind of went away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► I don't know if they'll make another run at it but they were early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► and they were early with like a big giant platypus awkward thing and it didn't work out for them till they were done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2154">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► Try now I don't I feel like all of this is really about licensing and I say that because the Amazon Fire T.V.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► Isn't available outside the US right. I don't know that Amazon is historically very bad at non-U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► Media availability precisely and so if this isn't available anywhere else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► and additionally I think you're right John in saying that we're just kind of running in circles around just getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► In different ways but the only way I think there's going to be a monumental shift in how T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► Works is if licensed licensing deals change so for example I can go online and order a league [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► or a season pass for getting the New York Giants on my Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► and May be off to pay for that and that's fine but I don't need to worry about whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► or not they're playing the Redskins or what blackout situation there is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► It's just I get to see the Giants always Or perhaps you know you could buy a season pass for How I Met Your Mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2214">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► which obviously just ended but just for the sake of discussion you have met your mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► and you can get those episodes either as they are live or moments after and I think without probably sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► and if not sports more widespread stream a ball traditional T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► or Game of Thrones is another great example of not seen it but I understand it's wildly popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► and you can't get anywhere but the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► So without fixing them I don't really feel like any of these pucks are really going to make a tremendous difference in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► our worlds but fixing that as you said John is just a total bag of hurt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► Well the pucks to the pucks are important because the pucks give you something they can get better at a faster rate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► than your television and that is extremely important as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► and one of the Apple four is like they have that advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► and they're not taking advantage of they have three generations of the puck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► or maybe only two generations of the little Black Hawk before they went from the big giant crazy thing like of Iowa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► space Apple T.V. and They haven't made it better at the same. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2275">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► It's like the slowest moving i Pod Touch I complain about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► It's been like five hundred days since an update but like Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► The ten update wasn't that long ago but it was like a nothing update and they keep channels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► or the i Phone come in that same distance this obvious features that their competitors are getting I mean an hour mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► Voice Search notion U.I. Games support anything like all these things with there for the taking and not taking it like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► And so I'm glad to see the parks out there trying like a broker who has improved its hardware and software by leaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► and bounds of the same period Apple has not and this is Amazon's first go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► but these little parks give the market an opportunity to churn. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► You know it's cheaper now you know about that you can buy a new one of these every two years not feel bad about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► and you're not going to buy a new T.V. Every two years unless you're me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► It lets it lets them chase each other make the tech better make it faster maybe maybe it is more fun to game consuls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► maybe they don't like maybe these things get better than the T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► but like getting a better new television like the worst thing that could happen at this point because you want these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► and aerated iterate to get through this awkward beginning period just to kind of settle down to like the feature set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► and you know if they end up being gaming devices they can never settle down because games we always need more power for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► like you'll never say well this game consuls good novel uses the next twenty years you will not it will not be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► enough for twenty years like do you want the newest thing eventually so I'm glad these parks exist as an external thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► but like it's not going to be some consolidation coming and I think is going be a long way off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► You mentioned sports with a local blackout that's probably not going to go away in our lifetime just because of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► huge amount of money in local television that's going to take forever to get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► and so there's so many barriers to actually you know if you can just wipe the slate clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► and say we have the internet pretend there is no pre-existing video let's make a system built on it you could build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► something that's nice and even and gives consumers choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► and as competition never get every content they want for a reasonable price but we don't live in that world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2394">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► We're going to transition from what we have now to take a long time you know I completely agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► but is there someone is there a sport that like Team Mobile where they're just seriously desperate to get viewers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► and it's like I think the A M L B is done this and also N.H.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► To some degree I guess from what I'm told I'm not a baseball nor hockey fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► but from what I gather they're there streaming apps and plans and so on and so forth are actually fairly good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► and I think there are still black outs for sure but they're relatively future looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► and I'm wondering obviously the N.F.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► Never got to this point but wellness all this stuff about concussions actually people pay attention to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► but anyway you know maybe maybe the young L.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► For the sake of conversation get so desperate that they're like you know what screw the local channels let's just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► I'm always going to be the last one to divert from OK maybe I was a poor choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► but you know what I'm driving at right is there any sport like that yellow there's W W E which I read an article by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► recently that's a sport Well you know I get it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► and they embrace the Internet as a way to get their content to their viewers because they couldn't get a challenge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► trying to get like a channel or wrestling channel on cable naked getting a rebuff so they go on the Internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► There's also e-sports which is watching people play video games for people who don't know the terminology I think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► getting it right that's what I call e-sports anyway. It's wildly popular in other countries. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► It's somewhat popular here. That's a natural medium for the Internet Twitch T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► and All that stuff incredibly popular among a certain set of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► Yeah there's an opportunity for for sports markets that aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► or in any way to send a video to people that don't have a president regular television aren't entangled in these crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► relationships for things like baseball and football and you know in the rest of the world I don't know that there are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2512">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► The world is like for soccer and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► but I suppose if you wait for the current generation of people to all die maybe two generations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► and for people to die then people won't care about watching things on local television anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► and I'll just be so incensed that they can't watch their local team on their i Pad that it will just have to change. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► But certainly for the people who are alive today you got to wait for pretty much all everyone who was an adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► when the Internet came into being to die before we can get like a local television out from the local television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► markets for things like baseball because like how much money the Yankees make from selling exclusive rights to local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► television broadcast their games is just enormous. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► Yeah I know you're right I'm just I kind of hope for some sport that's the sporting equivalent of T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► Mobile to be so desperate to just shake things up to just say you know what screw T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► Let's in I think W W E was actually very good example where you just say Screw T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► Let's do it our way and see what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2577">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► and I don't think there's going to be anyone that people care enough about kind of like T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► Mobile to really get a groundswell to push the N.F.L. or M L B or whatever into being more progressive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► See what happens with the mobile first strategy seems to be employed Altucher point for point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► Nigga still he's doing things that that at launch sound like oh my God this is this is really going be a big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► and then ends up just not really being a big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► but because there are I mean there are barriers infrastructure it's like you know they would never do that if they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► the cell towers that horizon but if they had the cell towers that Verizon has they wouldn't you know need to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► and it's just it's a chicken egg thing so I think it's good that you have you know competitors who need to do more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► but it doesn't it doesn't solve their sort of structural weakness like suddenly your signal doesn't get better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► depending on where you live you know you just there's no getting around physical structure the wires to the old houses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► or cell towers. Thanks because cell tower that put piece somewhere way down a topic that we happened to get to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2633">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► Here sponsor this week also once again by our friends at Pixelmator also known as picks on the tour. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2640">TS</a>]
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00:46:31 ◼ ► Consortium people have decided they would like a lightning connector you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► and we actually talked about this back before they had an idea what it would look like back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► If announced that they would be looking into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► and creating a new kind of connector that would be small reversible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► and you know non sucky because everyone agreed to the U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► Three plugs suck especially the many ones which are ridiculous. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2816">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► So they went off and I were going to buy one of these is going to come out soon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► So this what's new now is that we now have a rendering of what it might look like from the U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► If so I'm not sure if this is actually news or not what I think of News of it if it's accurate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► Yeah like if they ran the rendering is not just fantasy but just like this is what we planned to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► and we haven't built it yet but it's going to look like this when we build it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► That's my impression of what this rendering is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► Yeah pretty much and you know the rendering basically looks like the halfway point between lightning and mini U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► when we first talked about it I think I said that like it has to look like a lightning connector because what else can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► you do in anything that small it has to be like Oh I think that trees are so darn small Certainly you can't make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► like a shrunken version of the regular U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► Connector will work at those sizes which is why lightning looks like it does but then a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2875">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Bill said I think you guys about it like well lightning is expensive to make and you can't be as precious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► and beautiful Lightning connector has to be cheap for everybody to make I just think they can come up with a connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► and also not pretty much exactly like a lightning connector like a solid piece of metal with contacts side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► and looks like from these drawings that they've somehow decided that they're going to make it the size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► and shape of lightning connector but still have it be hollow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► So the in the connector slot is a little more must be a microscopic extremely thin little thing with contacts on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► that goes into the hole in the connector in a grand and it fits both ways and it should be pretty easy to line that up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► But boy I'm worried about that in terms of durability like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► but once you get down to that size the lighting had to make so much sense it's like it's going to be so small anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► you better make it solid for the kind of from the outside. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► I can't like I don't I will have to see the real I guess is conceivable that it could be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► but I'm super worried about having to shove a little tiny thing inside a little tiny microscopic hole even if it fits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2935">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► Yeah I think about too that the Jack side of it is going to be on phones which means we're going to be in people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► and the hat like to have the tolerances be so small like you know we saw some of this with the old thirty pin dock an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► actor which had a similar kind of design but it was larger of course was way bigger way bigger than this look. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► but you know you can see like OK if you have a really really thin you know flat car type you know connector on one side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► and then like you know a jack on the other side like you know cable doesn't get in there it's going to have weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► contacts going to have weird you know pressure issues it might snap it or bended or whatever like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► and that was at that thickness for the dock connector that that actually happened didn't happen a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► but it did occasionally happen. At this this is an even smaller connector by a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► It's narrower sibilant there's less area to bend and it just seems that looks like if they can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/2992">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► Old us off it's going to be great it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► and not as lightning because of that because of that you know more complicated physical design in the connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► but if they actually pull this off great good for them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► I just have doubts that they will be able to or that if they do I have doubts it'll be very durable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► I'm going to go around everyone's laptop or our Smart roll on these connectors on a stick by fingernail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► and there you go snap you know you can actually broken right interesting region there with different email snap every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► one of those who wants a little printed circuit board snaps that like it's such a small opening and dust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► and everything. The stopping small of any way that I think dust might might even be a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► People who keep their like i Phones in their pocket now I don't know what gets shoved to the Lightning connector. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► But at least you got the full width [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► and height of that connector this year less than having it something's less than half the width of that connector can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► get jammed in there because jammed between the internal tongue and the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► or bottom that's you know that's a small margin there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► and what could that time be made out of such that it stiffen up to go into the little hole in the line up correctly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► But not so stiff that I can break it off with my fingernail. Right and U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► Also you know as we discussed previously one of the reasons why the U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► Centers were always so plain and bland [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► and crappy is because one of their design goals has always been to be very very cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► and that's one of the reasons why U.S.B. Has become universal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► Why live a little to its name because it was really cheap to implement and the harbours are really cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► and the connectors Rob really cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► and there are you know the tolerances were pretty big in some of these things that you could make a pretty whacked out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► connector or cable and it would still work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► And obviously as things get better faster more advanced that you know the tolerances are going to have to shrink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► but this I am I'm afraid to see how this will be implemented badly because it will be everything the U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► Standard becomes implemented badly among a lot of devices that are out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► and you're going to buy like a ten dollars card reader or a fifteen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3116">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► Our external drive enclosure or something like those are going to have not the best quality connectors on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► and if this becomes a new standard which you know if it doesn't it's kind of pointless. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► You kind of want to become the standard. All those super cheap U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► Devices out there that work that are part of what makes us be so great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► Those are going to have some really dodgy connectors I think I think about this I think about this is the present Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► devices which I think we would all agree have extremely precise cut outs for the connectors on them like a laser cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► things that usually line up pretty darn well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► But Apple also has a tendency to you know design it's things without regard to connectors so for example on the back of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► a twenty seven inch thunderbolt display or any of those curved displays they have U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► Ports on the back but the back is curved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► but the ports obviously have to be you have to plug the plugs in perpendicular to the connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► and these are big chunky full size U.S.B. Know the a type connector like you know regular U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3175">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► Connectors very often I find it difficult to plug in the connectors because you're not sure what angle it supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► go out and I've seen Apple displays where people have done that struggle like trying to get the thing plugged in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► and not that they've suddenly bent the little plastic thingy that's inside a U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► Connectors to make makes it even more difficult to plug it in because now it's kind of like bend in the wrong direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► he had to kind of get past that little threshold to go in and these are the big humongous chunky U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► Connectors that they have they haven't broken. But they're knowing to plug in because you have to line something up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► And by people struggling with it they've made it worse by bending something in the wrong direction this is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► that same problem on Apple devices anyway multiplied many times over by the way I know this is a ridiculous thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► complain about but try having a cylindrical computer it's actually substantially worker. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► Oh you have if you had to guess what angle they have to go and I don't like you deserve it. I do you're right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► If you're having trouble with this when you can get it. It's under my way whether or not your hand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► But like the beauty of the Lightning connector is that if you can find the hole just start shoving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► and it will align itself like there's nothing you have to line up it within the hole you have to get the metal thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► into the slot and just press and it will it will light self up which is not true of U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► or Firewire eight hundred even worse like five or eight hundred connector needs to be burned with fire I guess. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► So hard to plug things into they have so many little details that have to be lined up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► Try pulling on one of those in the back of an apple Thunderball display most of that is Apple's fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► but I'm just saying like a connector that can tolerate that type of environment is best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► We're also sponsored this week once again by our friends at Warby Parker where we park a believe that prescription [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► eyeglasses simply should not cost three hundred dollars or more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► They should even be affordable enough people to accessorize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► and have multiple pairs if they want to worry Parker bypassing the traditional channels. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► They sell higher quality better looking prescription eyewear online at a fraction of the price starting at just ninety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3297">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► five dollars. Go to Warby Parker dot com slash A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► You know I actually we did a sponsor last week some people in the chat were pointing out that I didn't realize it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► and almost every company is owned by like one big company like looks like I think it's in any way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► It's like I didn't realize a quite how much consolidation there is in this business but worry Parker is independent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► and this is why to be able to bypass this tremendous distribution system by this conglomerate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► I didn't say that in fact I hope I don't get in trouble for saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► but that's why they're able to do this because there's a huge monopoly power there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► and they're just bypassing completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► and passing the savings along to you so they have these great vintage inspired designs with a contemporary twist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► Every pair is custom fit and it comes with anti-reflective anti-glare polycarbonate prescription lenses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► and every pair comes with a hard case and a clean cloth there's no like weird at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► and they don't start jacking up the price. If you start adding up the things you actually need. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► There's no like well you can get the base price model which sucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► or you can get the one that you actually want it won't fall apart in two days for you know six hundred bucks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► Buying glasses online sounds like it would be risky so you know how would you know where the fit or how to look on you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► Well they had you covered with these two pretty impressive things so number one it is tools on their site where you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► You take a picture yourself you can take an overlay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► and it can show you exactly how the glasses will look on you right from the webcam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► and then they have this even better thing which is the home try on program. So here's how this works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► You go to their site you pick out up to five pairs if you don't pick out all five they'll send you five anyway they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► and they will send you the frames you can try on for free right in your home heating for a couple days if ever you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► decide decided home askers living another walk around asking people to work whatever you want to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► Decide on whatever these frames you want and if you don't like any of them that's about decision too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► But I bet you like one of them at least. So take out the one you want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► Send them back the box and then you can place an order to have that with your prescription in it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► All that is free there is no charge for the home Tran program they pay they pay to ship it to you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► All that very very simple very very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► and you can do a couple of these if you want to if you don't find what you want the first time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► Get another batch but I bet you're going to find what you want they have a great selection. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► and non-prescription polarized sunglasses which I love personally if you have if you only ever had a non-polar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► or sunglasses Trust me you don't know what you're missing so good where we park a dot com a RB why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3452">TS</a>]
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00:57:48 ◼ ► Thanks a lot to worry Parker for sponsoring our show once again so we should probably at some point talk about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► employee poaching thing. That seems to have started in the valley but spread quiet a long ways away from there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3476">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► So what this is about is Apple and Google especially seem to be pointed at the most. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► But many companies I think the number was like twenty or thirty companies something like that were accused of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► and from all accounts seem to have tried to avoid hiring from each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► and made agreements that they would try to keep wages the same not hire from each other it really is extremely crummy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► And so this is false it's in trial now is that correct. Neither of us have been a no I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► I I don't know enough about this. Do we know for sure the articles I've read which admittedly have not been enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► I keep seeing it being referred to as a wage fixing cartel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► but I haven't actually seen anything about the way things have seen anti-poaching agreements which you know might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3533">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► but is there actual were they actually agreeing to like keep salary levels at a certain range [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► and the same thing has been labeling with a secondary effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► but it's all it's all the same thing you can agree with a bunch of companies all can't agree with each other. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► and you want higher for me in that way we will have to pay our people more like us the implied secondary effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► and it's actually even worse than that if you saw some of the e-mails I think it's going to be in trial now because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► don't want to be seen as a one of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► One situation that was detailed in these it was either a deposition or e-mail or both. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► It was like a bunch of people left Apple and went to work for Google So Google didn't post them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► They left apple of their own accord and went to work for Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► and Google wanted to set them up I forgot the skills group be able to set them up doing something in an office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► And before they did that they were in touch with Steve Jobs and say hey we've got some people here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► and they want they want to set them up in an office here is that OK with you Steve I know you were close to these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► people whatever it is I want to make sure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► And and they're like well you know they were talking myself I was one of those and I work in an i Phone stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► or whatever I bet it will be OK with Steve like. So first of all the whole premise that you have to call the C.E.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► Of your competitor to make sure that you are allowed to hire his employees who left of their own accord. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► It's crazy and then saying well we can we can hire them make sure they're not working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► and you know make Steve angry so we can have them work on mobile phone or anything like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► But surely if we agree they're not going to work in a mobile phone starts they will be OK with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► Steve Jobs then so I said I would prefer you don't hire those people and so he didn't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► and they didn't put in the work and that office they were going to set up for them like that is that's crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► That is super illegal and terrible handy competitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► and just like what's going through these people's heads these companies are that this is the way things should be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► that you know that you would like get the OK to look at what your employees are going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► or whether you're going to hire people from your like your fiercest competitor obviously this is maybe before they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► already tell this throat but it just make you sick to your stomach to think about that like these people's lives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► and careers are altered by the whim of like a person who runs the company they don't work for anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► Right and the other thing I saw was that apparently Facebook basically said screw that tough no B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► and Because of that apparently Google decided Well a lot of our people are going to Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► and since we can't get Facebook to agree not to poach our people can we do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► We should probably try to convince our people to stay although we could pay them more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► and so they just they gave everyone I think in the entire company a thousand dollar spot bonus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► I'm almost sure that's right it was in one of the links open the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► but yet because they weren't poaching I'm sorry because they were poaching Facebook was poaching Google people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► Google suddenly realized we should probably pay our people more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► So markets your point earlier you know even though it may not enjoy saying this even though it may not on the surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► sounds like wage fixing the net effect was wage mixing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► and this is totally like I mean this is not just an apple problem as many companies involved will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► and many others like them go get it is the most famous and they're in the headlines right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► but like regardless of all the other companies involved this is one hundred percent a Steve Jobs thing to do because in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► his mind like he's like look I'm trying to do great things here and I need great people do great things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► and you stealing my people piss me off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► and makes harder for me to do great things so why don't we all captains of industry get together just agree not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► steal each other's people because it'll make everybody's life easier we all hate it now finally we can get back to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► which is basically putting Steve Jobs desires a desire to change the world Apple above the lives of all the employees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► of all these companies like we don't care if you can get make more money or you can move to a different city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► and get equal you know tech job like or a different country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► or whatever because I don't care about your mobility in your life I just care about doing great things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3773">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► Are trump all these employees and this is the way it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► and like someone in the chair asked why on earth would it would do go ask Apple if it was OK if they're legally in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► when they just hire the person like the whole point googled in one apple stealing it's people Apple did my Google thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► it's people who think that churn turnover the problem for both companies a raise they would have to raise all their all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► their payroll to keep the people that they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► and they just like look at these are for both of us if we just agree that still it has people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► and Facebook didn't agree to that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► Mostly people think because most people want to go to work for Facebook alias maybe they're that point they're like pre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► Shares or it was there was more upside to Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► or like Facebook was stealing people because they were offering more stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► and Facebook's like we're not going to Grizz because we're stealing all of your people you and I still in our people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► and the reason I think Facebook was stealing all their people because they offered the more you have attentional to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► richer if you come to work for Facebook like they were younger company maybe you'll get some pre I.P.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► Shares maybe you'll get some shares of that much bigger upside than these more mature companies will pay you more it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► more exciting maybe your boarded up or Google or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3836">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► Facebook was hiring people the old fashioned way and stealing people from everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► and of course Facebook's not going to great with their whole strategy is we're going to steal all your employees by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► offering them better stuff which like Casey pointed out made Google say well I guess the only until we have a retention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► against Facebook is to pay our employees more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► and in a competitive market where people of these skills are in high demand they're supposed to get paid more the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► companies aren't supposed to collude to make sure that these people can't be mobile in their careers it's this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► and I totally see it as like the the worst it's kind of like the good side of Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► or you just want to get the job done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► but the worst side of the jobs is he doesn't care you know what kind of damage he leaves in his wake to get what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► wants and neither do any of the other companies as well not to Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► and all the other people who agreed to this it's it's a terrible attitude just makes me sick reading this whole story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► John Gruber's been doing some great commentary on this because it really does show like this is the kind of thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► you know Apple is not worse off in every way with Tim Cook. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3895">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► There are there's a few ways that they're better off with Tim Cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► and I think this is one of them where I don't allow out of people I really don't think this would have happened with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► Tim Cook at the helm because he's it's not really his style he's very careful he's like he's very pragmatic he's he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► very kind of unemotional about these things he seems he's also very cutthroat So I not sure about this because he he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► very demanding and cut throat. Thus far it's a good bet like this from the outside. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► The image that Tim copra Trey's we all have trouble seeing him doing stuff like this where we don't have trouble seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► Steve Jobs but I think the jury's still out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► It's not quite accurate to make this all about money and wages because he's for all the companies involved. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► Like I don't think Steve Jobs give a crap about what he was paying his engineers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► and whether this to keep their wages down. I don't think that has anything to do with his end of it all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► I think his and if it was all about like vengeance and control and he didn't want to boil tea right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3952">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► Didn't want to lose his people to like to this evil company Google that was stealing his products from him like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► it was probably it was almost certainly like this emotional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► and controlling thing from Steve Jobs not at all about salaries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► and salaries were simply a side effect of it that he probably didn't even think or care about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► Well that's a thing he thinks you should stay there because you want to like he's like I shouldn't have to pay you more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► you should stay here because the working rapport you had to work for the best company in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► and it's insulting to me that you expect me to pay you more money to stay here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► But at the same time he also didn't want to lose those people who is like well it's a he's Of Two Minds who thinks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► you should be should be staying here because you love it so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► but I'm going to make sure that even if you want to leave you couldn't because you wouldn't get anything better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► anyplace else you might want to stay so being crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► and you're like if you really want to be able to stay here just pay them more money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► Well no see no that's the problem that's the other flaw in this argument is that engineers especially people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► out on the West Coast you can choose between many very well known tech companies to work for without really uprooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4013">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► It's like these companies get employees they get talent because of what they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► and what they're you know what's interesting about them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► Engineers are famously not as motivated by money as you would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► and generally speaking if somebody is thinking about leaving Apple for Google say giving them ten thousand dollars more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► an apple is not going to really change that decision that for that long or at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► It's really it's not a very effective way to keep people if you have people like looking around because they're bored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► Money is a terrible way to fix that because it just doesn't work that well in the individual level maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► but in the grand scheme of things it does like that's why Facebook was able to grab these people like Apple is a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► exciting place to work than Facebook you're going to work in more interesting things that are more appealing to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► average engineer than you with Facebook like that's not even that depends on what kind of engineer your team your site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► I think like even even if you get to be unlike the glory team where you get to like make the new cool paper app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► and everything like that there's equal glow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4077">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► and probably if you really care about your thing being used in a long term buy a lot of people you have to put your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► money on Apple like you design the next version of i O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► Is probably going to have more longevity in impact than design even the very tip top flagship cool new U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► Thing like paper or the Facebook Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► or whatever think like you know Apple has the Apple has the projects to offer people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► Facebook should never be able to steal people from Apple except on the server side which obviously that's a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► And you get retention there is probably not just money but all I have heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► and I know so little about what goes on in Apple but everyone I know who has work there like we see people coming go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► and they go not because they don't like apple anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► but dislike because you burn out on it like it's tough to work with an apple is a hard job it's hard work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► There are crunch times kind of almost like a game developer you know like this this sort of crunch time that everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► except they're going to exist and you just do what you have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4136">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► and that can really bring you right after we're on someone you just want to relax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► and also you want to just do your own thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► and within Google I think there used to be more latitude to do your own thing and less of a crunch time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► There's a lot of factors that contribute towards you know deciding whether you want to stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► but this type of agreement doesn't allow you the mobility shuts out all of those because they all agree not to hire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► Like then you don't have to worry about making your employees happy or is in any way giving them more money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► or giving them more flexibility to do interesting projects on their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► or not not subjecting everyone to the massive crunch times. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► All those tools like it's like oh we don't worry about that anymore because where that where the heck are they going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► go we have this agreement with all the companies in the area. Yeah. So you go back a step. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► This was all happening in two thousand and eight. Well all these e-mails that are coming out and Facebook I.P.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► Was in twenty twelve. So it actually Facebook being able to poach all these people may have been. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4193">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► and additionally from the pandal Daily article that put the show notes the combined work force of just these eleven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► companies I'll read in real quick the second totaled over seven hundred seventy five thousand people in two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► and eight. Those companies are Apple Comcast doubleclick Genet Genentech I.B.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► Illuminati excuse me illuminate Intel Intuit Microsoft ugly V W P P and Google. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► So that was nearly a million people in two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► and eight that were all at least in some capacity being shrouded beneath this do not poached agreement thing that's off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► Yeah I mean there's nothing about this that's that's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► or encouraging about these companies at all it's likely Johns I just it's kind of a growth story it's just it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► and it shows a lot of arrogance on all sides that like this is I mean obviously this is illegal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4257">TS</a>]
01:11:02 ◼ ► All this collusion is obviously a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4262">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► and I'm I'm very surprised that any of these companies were stupid enough to do it especially by email for God's sake. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► Yet To that end I was just going to read this. So this is a quote from an e-mail from Eric Schmidt C.E.O. Of Google. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► Quote I would prefer that omit do it virtually since I don't want to create a paper trail over which we can be sued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► later. Question mark. Not sure about this two periods. Thanks Eric of course is a two period guy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► He means a literal paper trail I guess but I mean do you not realize as the C.E.O. Of Google. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► It is delicious delicious irony that this president doesn't care about anyone else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► and this is the same guy who was like oh privacy doesn't really matter it's not a thing nobody will really have privacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► anymore. God so ridiculously arrogant. Yeah I like the whole fact that they are in the thing I was talking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4313">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► Where the trying to talk about this Steve give the OK Can we hire these people and it looks like those can be OK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► but in Steve Jobs and the rack one of his tours emails I prefer you know highs people I also want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► or we can't we can't do it then like that's all happening over email too like it's almost as if not the ignorance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► the was a defense but if you read this you know do you guys not know that what you're doing is both illegal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► Back Like if you going to rob a bank don't email your fellow bank robbers back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► and forth about it for the months leading up to it like that then seem like a good idea like so we're going to a bank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► right OK I'll send you an email as a new tech start like you know like I said it's just they're so casual about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► and they like they communicate to each other you mail so casually about is like it's almost like they must not know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► it's illegal because if you did know. No email. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► It's just so incredibly incriminating isn't like they were secretly taped there anything they're e-mailing each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► about it and they haven't they didn't delete the emails like it's just mind boggling and it really is ridiculous. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► The more of the story is don't work for any of these. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► As you point out this was in two thousand and eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► and I imagine that even this collusion was in effect once the big falling out between Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► and Google like you know post i Phone like those agreements were off like last one Steve Jobs is saying to everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► you know we're going to bury Google and they betrayed us they backstab those or whatever I imagine he also said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► and forget it we're approaching other people like you know delay your T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► Broke the law and if there's a paper trail in electronic form you can get screwed for it anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► It's kind of a shame that like Tim Cook is left holding the bag in this type of deal like whether he knew anything knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► about it was part of it you know then maybe it's fitting but if he didn't know about it and or wasn't a part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► or disapproved of it now he's the guy holding the bag on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► and so whatever I mean I'm assuming will be a risk because it's always a risk lap of these big rich companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► Yeah I don't know I'm guessing it says I think I read somewhere that apparently a lot of the companies involved is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► already settled. I'm really surprised that Apple didn't like the it seems like that with a pragmatic approach here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► Just settle this just take whatever it costs settle it quickly and quietly as well as weak as you can at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► and just get it get it past you because you had this is obviously like is obviously a thing of the past for most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► these companies because of the relationships that have changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► and especially as I really can't see Tim Cook wanting to be a part of this because he's he's too smart for that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► the whole thing just grows the revenue Apple generated while we were discussing this would be enough to pay for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► settlement. So they're all set. Anything else. And we good. When I have a short one this week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► All right well thanks a lot two or three sponsors this week to check out Pixelmator and Warby Parker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► and we will see you next week or so and you are sitting on the learn from my sister that skill list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4488">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► and the team are actually what we should talk about is to be able to see theories you have that that should be pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► quick for now. OK so I have an insane. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4557">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► Theory so if you go to the Moscone schedule let me find a link and stall for a moment while I'm doing that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► There's a meeting in June that's the American Association I believe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► And that goes on from the Friday that everyone expects it talking seventh or tenth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► or fourteenth through thirteen through seventeen. I first the previous week June second or sixth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► OK that that corroborates my theory is your thing that has the Friday included. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► Does that involve Moscone West because there's three Mosconi Now that's the thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► So here you've hit the nail on the head so I see that I actually saw a few weeks ago that the American died of diabetes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► The American Diabetes Association seventy fourth lines of accessions that is in Moscone north south [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► and west from the thirteenth of June which is that Friday through the seventeenth which is the following Tuesday. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► So there you go at the previous week. So. Well but no it's not quite so simple because what I know the D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4615">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► Ends on Fridays and it ends around midday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► and so let's assume for the sake of conversation for just a moment that maybe they could flip it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► or perhaps maybe the rest of the time the eighty eight needs west [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► but they made some agreement with Mosconi where they don't need it Friday. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► So I go digging around to look at what is the American Diabetes Association. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► Seventy fourth scientific sessions and I'm trying to figure out OK is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► or is there not anything going on in Moscone West [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► and I'm looking at looking at all sorts of things I'm looking at vendor maps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► and I don't think that was West I'm looking at schedules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► and they say well on Saturday there's absolutely something in Moscone west [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► but there's no real talk about Friday in Moscone west until I find what I just put in the chat special opportunities. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► World Cup viewing room since Scientific Sessions will once again fall over fee for World Cup matches will set aside. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4674">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► Miriam us in Moscone West so that attendees can catch up on the latest action without leaving a conference center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► and I'd seen a convention center. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► So with that in mind one's World Cup start and I didn't verify this myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► but I was talking with underscore earlier earlier today and he said it starts on like the twelfth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► or the eleventh I forget exactly what day it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things with the point as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► So if you put all of this together that says to me that Moscone West is going to be clogged up on Thursday on Friday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► the thirteenth of June so that eliminates the week of nine through thirteen the following week it is still covered by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► the same eighty eight meetings so we've got nine through twenty all booked up which leaves twenty three thru twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► seven which is already been booked for Google I O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► Which means by process of elimination it's the second through the six or eight in August. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► If it's in June and if it's still it must go on and I think that's I mean that's a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► I think being at my schooling is a pretty safe bet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► Just because there's you know where else they gonna do it there's talk of this before so that it's almost certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► still at Moscone. It doesn't necessarily have to be in June. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► It's just very likely it will be because that's how they've done it and it works out in a number of ways. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► I suspect it'll just be the first week June second through sex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► but it doesn't really matter where the dates are because then we all assume they're going to preannounce the dates in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► the tickets and everything but he's not going to it's not going to be a surprise anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► It's like it's the only question now is like is there going to be like last year is there going to be a lottery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► or whatever but I really doubt they would ever go back to the thing where it's like oh here it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► and go by like it's always going to be pre-announced So we just sit around and wait for them to preannounce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► and say tickets will be on sale at X. Date and hears them are going to use and then we just all deal with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► but it's nice to try to figure out what what the schedule is for example you know I was thinking of flying Arun out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► meet me late in the week and then we would spend some the following week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► Go out there together but yeah I looked at both the plane tickets and hotel fare a little while ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► and bad so well the prices are terrible the one hundred thirteenth they're almost livable the second to the six AS Per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► Yeah I saw the park fifty five hotel is almost exactly the same price now as it was last year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► Downs as I look at the last of us I was looking it was like a hundred bucks more per night. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:27 ◼ ► It was like it was like in the high hundreds like one hundred ninety two hundred ish like in that all that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4827">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► Now that's yeah we will see effort for the second to say it was substantially I was talking underscore over to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► and he and he suggested to let you know maybe we'll do a lottery this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► and I think honestly you know the more I think about the more I think that's really the only good option at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► like anything that involves everyone rushing at this particular time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► That's going to always be problematic you know if you want think if it was like are going to open at this time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4852">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► and it sells out in ten minutes so everyone has ten minutes like you can do YOU CAN A lot of people can get in ten minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► but if it sells out in like forty five seconds again like it did last year before being short of breaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► That way you know it's what you want is for all the people who really really want to get in to be able to get tickets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► But there's not enough tickets for that anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► Like there's there's too many people who qualify for that who people who really want to go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► There's just too many of those. And any system you make is only going to have a random subset of them effectively. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► So you might as well do it in a way that feels fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► and make it a lottery it's not truly random anyway I like the idea of people being really rewarded for their enthusiasm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► for buying tickets available could just make a web application doesn't die. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► Then you could in theory give people tickets on a first come first serve basis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► and then like the people who are sitting there hovering over the button as a second stick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4916">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► On there you know synchronized clock they will be rewarded for their crazy enthusiasm for getting tickets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► and they will be more likely to get tickets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► and the people who stroll in thirty seconds later I know I know it's a small window and it's crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► but if you could eliminate the error a lottery is truly random like the people who just like I guess I'll put my hat in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► the ring and they do that like three days after they were announced. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► They have an equal chance with you who is like their you know the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► and I don't think I like seeing some weight given to people who are more enthusiastic about going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► and there's no way to express that enthusiasm if there's a four day window for you to put your hat in the ring for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► lottery for a ticket. I completely agree. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► So I would prefer to think it is merely make a web application to work correctly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► and have it so out in ten seconds is fine with me ten seconds is more than enough for him to like all the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► are there you know trying to get him that ten second window. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► Maybe it's all that in five seconds and three seconds like if they had to get an application that wouldn't break. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► You could get you could reserve people spot and then a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4977">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► and so your spot of reserve you have five minutes a checkout and then the application won't fail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► and you've got you know like there we have somebody has technology perhaps not Apple. Yes the problem here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► You're asking Apple for like a really complicated web app to be super reliable and fair and you have it right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► Right the whole thing and like it doesn't seem like how many people could there possibly be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► Let's say there's a million people who want to go to a really see I think that's way too big. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► I feel like with with Apple's budget it is possible to set up a bunch of servers that serve like text only no images [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► just like a button and like click this button to reserve your ticket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► when it's like I feel like I could write this thing for a million people or be ugly but it would work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► Give me give me Apple's budget and a couple months to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► and I can make a fair system for reserving your spot for to be every see that me like gives you a token [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► and it sends you off to the real checkout process during which we checked in you know like it's not rocket science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5033">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► You know the store checkout process or whatever that's not used to this kind of onslaught [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► but well I mean I think I think the reason why it broke so badly last year is that Apple really didn't seem to do it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► They've basically is trying to wedge it into their regular checkout process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► and it just was not designed will work whatever system whatever backend stuff was involved with those tickets in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:23 ◼ ► particular just they didn't put enough effort into it you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5063">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► In short they half assed it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► and Apple half ass in the web service especially one meant for developers is nothing new at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► and there's no signs ever from Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► There's no sign that their priorities have changed in such a way that making a really amazing web service for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► developers a sort of the really important thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► So I don't see that happening at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► and that's why I think if you assume that it's going to be no better than last year if there's a big rush point like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► they say Our show up at this time first come first serve. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5096">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► Just like last year I don't have any reason to believe that reasonably speaking it will be any better than last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► Well last year was terrible in a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► and I say that because I'm still grumbling about the fact that I had major ticket acquisition issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► But that being said how come we don't have the same problems with the last one or two i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► and i Pad pre-orders like if I recall correctly the five S. Did not have an online pre-order is that right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► Way more capacity though like the I don't think you have the the emphasizes rush because people know that there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► There's five thousand i Pads value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► and people knew there were five thousand i Pads available who would be the same disaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► but you know the millions of i Pad felt sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► and it spread out over you know like even people like waiting up till three am or whatever and getting through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► or maybe your shipment date moves out if you're in the first five minutes or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► but it's not like this is so much more capacity to such a limited number of tickets for this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5155">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► Right but what I'm saying is let's say there's fifty thousand people that really want to go in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► Obviously I made that up at a thin air. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► Don't you think there'd be a lot more than fifty thousand people trying to pre-order a new i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► or i Pad on the moment at three am that it's available. Well but they have to make that work really well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► They have I mean John I think you're right that yes the demand probably is a little more spread out in that it isn't as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► urgent that everyone who wants one get there at second zero. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► But I also think that Apple puts a lot more resources into that and into testing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► and deploying that because it's way more important to them think about how much of their revenue is directly from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► process on those couple days or even that night. But there's a lot of money that's a huge very important thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► If it fails also it's a major P.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► Blunder that they will be raked over the coals for all the tech sites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► and everything saying how they're doing because they can't keep a store up for their most important product Meanwhile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► if developers get you know a couple of their pages and everyone everyone's carts timeout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► and there's always errors buying data about the conference. The Wall Street Journal doesn't give a crap about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► but I guess what I'm saying is if they clearly have conquered this for i Devices Couldn't you use some of the same either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► servers or tech or something for W W D C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► and also consider that from everything we can tell from the outside it seems like it was a pretty labor intensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► aftermath last year when everyone got half cooked on their orders and then people from Apple had to either email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► or call everyone in fact I thought they called a lot of people saying hey we see you got halfway through this order do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► you want to finish it and that is not something I would assume they expected to need to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► and if that's a ton of people you know it's a few thousand I mean a few thousand if it's only two interns doing all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► calls for the sake of conversation. That takes some time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5276">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► And I remember hearing about these calls happening I would say at least a couple weeks if not a month after the tickets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► Well all of this argues in favor of Apple doing the lottery because if you think about it from Apple's perspective a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► lottery is the best for them it makes them not be embarrassed about having a crappy thing that falls down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► and avoids all those work for years ascribe K.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► and The third advantage that it gives Apple is that it lets them cherry pick like they can you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► Oh yeah it's a random quote unquote but behind the scenes Apple has the ability to go in that one and that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► and that one and now an OK And then you do the rest of them random and they do that anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► Oh they were they were doing that with the people who had problems like a lottery is by far the best from Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► perspective because it solves all the Apple's problem to does not solve all of the customer's problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► and I don't think it's more fair than the system I described [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► but if you just go about like what's best for Apple a lottery is it so if you if you want to take the easy bet it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► like Will Apple do the thing that's best for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5335">TS</a>]
01:28:57 ◼ ► or will they care about how developers feel so it's you know we'll say well with Cabot that the thing is best for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5337">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► require them to do a little bit more work on the server side which makes a lot less likely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► Well the thing the thing the bus route doesn't require them to do any more server is really easy to get a little sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► up form and is connect the name to collect the names and send out the emails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► and you know say oh congratulations you've been selected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► and check out at your leisure with a special token code that you know like it's so much easier for them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► Oh didn't they do that the last iphone pre-order I did which I did the five S. In line but I believe for the four S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► or Maybe it was the it doesn't matter for something I got a kind of sort of token it basically said OK we see that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► want an i Phone and we know that we can't handle it right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► but we have reserved one for you we will email you a link and let you finish the process later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► when we think we're good and ready. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5392">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► Do you remember that Marco I don't although underscore said earlier that he thinks that how tech talk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5394">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► Were were done that tech talks were done by a lottery where you just like you enter your email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► and then it is there I will let you know if you can come back out to have a system for us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► Even if the system is simply will take provisional orders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► and will just like cancel the ones that we don't pick somebody within the bounds of like it is there's no time you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► it's like for ever and get your tickets in over the course of the next week no rush. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► Doesn't matter when you do it like they have no problem supporting this and using whatever system they decide to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► and it definitely makes their life easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► and I think the extra control of them being able to cherry pick like the people who they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► and who they don't want they're just like they must be like yeah that's great we're going to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► and so I fear that's what will happen this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► but I mean like like Marcos the realistic alternative is a repeat of last year because none of us believe that they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:49 ◼ ► or have the guts to make like a simple text only no javascript really tiny one button click this thing to reserve your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5449">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► ticket you know like they would never do that because it wouldn't be the Apple way it would look all pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► and like have check shiny about Clinton even the problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► I mean that the way you can solve it with C.D.'s I mean that's that's not a problem can you apparently Apple can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► figure that out I have to have the pages during my check out last year had no C.S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:16 ◼ ► and I just blindly plowed all I'm going to help. That's exactly right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5476">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► I just I can't you know as a developer of systems that handle these kind of traffic in the past I can't imagine like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► the kind of like weird ancient limited infrastructure they must put in this task last year that caused this problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► Unless there were like millions of people hitting at once. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:37 ◼ ► But there weren't because I mean the total demand has to be under a million half the total demand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5497">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► You know they have five thousand tickets they saw very quickly how many people do you think are actually trying to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:47 ◼ ► those tickets. Ten thousand twenty thousand fifty thousand maybe at most like how many could there really be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5507">TS</a>]
01:31:54 ◼ ► How long ago was the first sellout Wasn't that like twenty and twenty eleventh's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5514">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► Thing like that I think it was earlier I think was like No nine but it was it was like a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► and a half after the ticket months right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► So you look at you know the for I think it's twenty twelve was the first one that happened really fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► and that was like ten minutes something like that yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► And so I can't imagine we went from twenty nine let's call it where it took a month to sell out to twenty ten where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► was quick. Can I refuse to call it twenty nine. Yeah. Well while this is accidental you know that's the way this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► Anyway the point is in two thousand nine hundred twenty twelve it was really uncomfortable and quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► and then twenty thirteen it was just unbearably quick I can't imagine that means there's more than fifty thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► people and even now I feel like it's pretty aggressive that are there looking for tickets. What do you think this year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► Knowing what happened last year knowing what people did last year will you be going if you don't get a ticket. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5571">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► I probably won't because like the videos are are so much you know the real time video that we didn't know were coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► last year that Apple surprised us with assuming they're going to do them again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► That's probably enough for me to like I don't and I'm not sure if I need to be there for a minute. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► I guess it depends on what gets announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► and like if there are things that I would want to talk to people you know sort of behind the scenes about our in person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► or whatever that that that experience. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:24 ◼ ► I can't get with the videos but depending on what the nouns that experience may be less important. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5604">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► Yeah I mean it's not always about the sessions like like if I don't get a ticket I think what I'll be most disappointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► or not is the socialization that happens like in the common areas in Moscone during the day between the sessions I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► so many people there I talk to so many people. I've made deals there like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► That's a very important thing to me is like that community engagement like had being around people of you know of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5630">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► industry and media. New people like being in the building to be there for all this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:03 ◼ ► If you just go and go for the social elements and you know drinking at the bar his friends afterwards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5643">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► but it's not nearly as much rain in that's the thing is that I feel like I want to go for at least maybe two thirds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► the week even if I did never take it but oh my goodness. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► Telling them work I like you know if I told work hey all funded from a financial perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► but can I I'm kind of not work for a week and not have thinking isn't that going to be a tough sell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► I don't know if I mean for me like I'm trying to just justify a large expense of the trip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► and everything as part of work on you know a ten radio so that's like it's like a business trip I have to take off from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► work from my real job that just you know it's vacation from that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► But like am I going to spend a week of vacation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► and also spend all this money to do this thing that has to be in service of some things I need to like I can just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► like oh I just want to hang out my friends like yeah if I was it if money was no object [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5697">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► and I didn't have any other responsibilities just go there to have a fun week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► Right but even if even if I didn't have to take it which some people did last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► but I don't I don't think I have that luxury around and I'm fifty fifty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:14 ◼ ► Knowing me I'll cave and go but that's a tough sell but it sounds like Mark or you'd almost certainly do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5714">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► I would definitely go but I I would really be I would probably end up being really bored during most of the days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► So supposing it is last year they release the videos what was it like like the evening early the next morning there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► were the videos in the previous day it was it was like it wasn't real time was it was pretty soon afterwards I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5736">TS</a>]
01:35:42 ◼ ► you're right I think it was within twelve hours. Yes I'm like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5742">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► So you could like you know you could on any given day you can watch at the previous day's videos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:51 ◼ ► So yeah maybe I could do that but where am I going to do that. In what context. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5751">TS</a>]
01:35:56 ◼ ► My going to sit around in another teller Malone watching videos all day like that's going to suck. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5756">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► On crummy wife I write that well you go meet people for lunch and may be able for dinner but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:05 ◼ ► but yeah there is a time to be sitting in a hotel room or in some coffee shop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:08 ◼ ► or something trying to stream that is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5768">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► and that sounds that sounds like a pretty miserable week honestly so you know if that's the alternative that's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► bad if people if there's a lot of people who are in this situation who are all going in the you know then maybe you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► try to organize something a little more reasonable than that for the day times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:28 ◼ ► and you know for the night doesn't matter the Moscone after after four P.M. Anyway but what do you do from nine A.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5788">TS</a>]
01:36:36 ◼ ► That's that's a big question and and if you want to and if you don't watch the videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5796">TS</a>]
01:36:42 ◼ ► when do you watch the videos like that like if you're one of the great things about being there is that your job during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5802">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► that week is to go to the sessions so you will go to the sessions maybe not all of them about every slot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► but you'll go to the sessions you have nothing else to do that we do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► Whereas if you wait until after that week if you're say Oh well I want to sessions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► when I get home we know a lot what sessions later in the year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:06 ◼ ► You'll just probably never do it because there's never a time where it's your job to watch that session right there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5826">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► old D.C. Last year which from everything I've heard was actually very very good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► So you could presumably go to that in spend your time there during the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► but I agree in the other thing to consider is that despite San Francisco being this hotbed of Internet everything the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► hotel wife in any hotel lobby ever stayed in is just crummy as every other hotel anywhere in the country. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► Right so what do you do to get the videos even if you could get them I mean you'd have to go to a market you would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► go to Starbucks to get the videos also I would probably just ask like MacWorld [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:47 ◼ ► or an office that's nearby that we're friends with I would preach ask them if I go there often use their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5867">TS</a>]
01:37:52 ◼ ► or their internet connection at least and also that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5872">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► and that might be the answer right the answer might be you know small groups of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5876">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► All who know someone in San Francisco get together in various people's offices or apartments and have little parties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► or gatherings or you know wife I download sessions there I mean it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► But the problem is like that's not really that's not really like a big community event. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► It breaks up into smaller communities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:16 ◼ ► and it also makes it much harder for people who don't know anyone yet if you know who are new to the community who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5896">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► don't know anyone who was here we don't know anyone who is big companies it makes it much harder of a sell for them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► do it to be any part of us really and that's that's a shame. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► And so you know it's you know it's one thing like you know we can go out there and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► Yeah Jason cell already said we can use their office so we know we know we went out there we have somewhere to go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:43 ◼ ► But that's not going to apply to everyone and that's right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5923">TS</a>]
01:38:46 ◼ ► It just it just it just it's unfortunate situation that it has to be limited like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5926">TS</a>]
01:38:50 ◼ ► but you know unfortunately it does like there are there are no bigger venues there are no you know there's even if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5930">TS</a>]
01:38:59 ◼ ► can find a bigger venue like you really want to convert twenty thousand people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5939">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► and you know we've been to the South by Southwest is is giant and it's terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:07 ◼ ► No it isn't spread out over all of Austin I've never been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5947">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► but my understanding was it's like a good zillion different locations all around Austin is that correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:15 ◼ ► Yeah pretty much spreading out to like in that now you have to take buses across the river to go to some weird hotel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5955">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► It's so it's so weird I mean like that's the problem is that this it's like forms like discussion forums have certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:32 ◼ ► sizes above which they just do not scale very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5972">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► and once a community gets beyond that size there's kind of no turning back there's no rescuing it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:45 ◼ ► and you know its conferences are a similar thing is there are certain natural sizes after which it's just really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5985">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► hard to make it good and to make it work. And and I think they definitely have reached that point with D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/5990">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► How it's very hard to get into a lot of the sessions because there's lines out the door you can't even get into so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► of the like it's so it's already bursting at the seems like they can't really make it bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:13 ◼ ► and have it be the same kind of thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/6013">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► And there's lots of you know they can try to split it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► and various ways with that kind of ruins other aspects of it as well including some of that some of the community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSFJhek/6017">TS</a>]