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52: Necessary But Not Sufficient

 

00:00:00   I'm drinking tea tonight I think Diggnation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/0">TS</a>]

00:00:04   it's like if not I know it's not actually the nineties but that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4">TS</a>]

00:00:08   the nineties equivalent of internetworld Diggnation yeah yeah so you guys really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/8">TS</a>]

00:00:16   mean casey you really honestly don't know Diggnation is or was I heard of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/16">TS</a>]

00:00:20   but I never paid attention to it did you use a computer in 2006 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/20">TS</a>]

00:00:25   have we not already completely established that both of us myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/25">TS</a>]

00:00:30   especially have no knowledge of anything that either view considers worthwhile I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/30">TS</a>]

00:00:35   guess but i mean you're you're least a nice guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/35">TS</a>]

00:00:37   established it was like me and then you too and in another camp over there ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/37">TS</a>]

00:00:43   dig nation was a podcast so let's talk about Facebook paper yeah I talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/43">TS</a>]

00:00:50   last week that was the start of a movie in the crash and all those bad things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/50">TS</a>]

00:00:53   and we talked for about the app itself but I haven't really used it for more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/53">TS</a>]

00:00:58   than a couple seconds so after podcast are some time in the past week I tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/58">TS</a>]

00:01:03   to use it some are footing around doing stuff and it keeps interrupting me with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/63">TS</a>]

00:01:09   Mike video and audio instructions to tell me what I should do in any given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/69">TS</a>]

00:01:14   screen like it's bad enough when you get the coach marks you know like that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/74">TS</a>]

00:01:17   the iPhoto style thing I would ever wear or sometimes on startup and sometimes at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/77">TS</a>]

00:01:20   the head of the bottom of the show sort of black magic marker kind of drawings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/80">TS</a>]

00:01:24   with arrows like someone wrote on your screen like it's a whiteboard and Comic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/84">TS</a>]

00:01:28   Sans text telling you like this is worse because its audio it's like you soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/88">TS</a>]

00:01:34   you're trying to use your thing and someone starts talking to you in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/94">TS</a>]

00:01:36   little animation come the screen swipe to the right to get to the next thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/96">TS</a>]

00:01:40   it's like okay alright whenever you don't know what to do to make it going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/100">TS</a>]

00:01:44   is no excerpt presidency it's like do I have to do is telling me but eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/104">TS</a>]

00:01:49   goes away I'm like ok I'll tell you this I go to the next screen it says you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/109">TS</a>]

00:01:52   move this up for like no stop talking to me stop its I know it's trying to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/112">TS</a>]

00:01:57   helpful but now I think it's over the line of like it maybe some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/117">TS</a>]

00:02:02   would find a startup animation or movie interesting or charming for the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/122">TS</a>]

00:02:06   first time you launch the app never see it again but if it's like this like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/126">TS</a>]

00:02:09   pause is like now you get to use the app and you start using it and then it says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/129">TS</a>]

00:02:13   by the way I'm still here this disembodied voices animations and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/133">TS</a>]

00:02:17   it goes away again and keep using the app and then you are in another new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/137">TS</a>]

00:02:20   screening nothing pops up that really really bothered me and I think that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/140">TS</a>]

00:02:24   it's trying to be helpful but it's failing it's like the worst kind of help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/144">TS</a>]

00:02:29   if I had asked for that if I asked for a guided tour sure but if I'm just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/149">TS</a>]

00:02:33   know if I think i've i've passed through the front door of the splash screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/153">TS</a>]

00:02:37   I'm really using the app and keeps interrupting me no good so I get a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/157">TS</a>]

00:02:41   thumbs down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/161">TS</a>]

00:02:42   it seems like these I mean you know we're in this area now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/162">TS</a>]

00:02:47   of these very highly progressive experimental gesture-based interfaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/167">TS</a>]

00:02:52   and so many apps really mostly on iOS let's be honest but you know so many iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/172">TS</a>]

00:02:57   apps and I kind of feel like you know gestural interfaces are are really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/177">TS</a>]

00:03:03   appealing to designers because they can look amazing they can be really cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/183">TS</a>]

00:03:08   users who get used to them can love them but it's it's really really hard have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/188">TS</a>]

00:03:15   any kind of affordances that also look good and that that are discoverable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/195">TS</a>]

00:03:20   so you end up needing things like this on any like you know people universally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/200">TS</a>]

00:03:27   I've heard people love paper this paper they're not the ideal of the other one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/207">TS</a>]

00:03:33   kind of in the lesson ever heard of but they love this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/213">TS</a>]

00:03:37   the Facebook one and a lot of that is because it has this this like new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/217">TS</a>]

00:03:42   experimental you know progressive gestural interface but if you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/222">TS</a>]

00:03:47   tell people how to use it with these things like to me that that's just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/227">TS</a>]

00:03:51   annoying its actual its actual failure of design really and I wonder like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/231">TS</a>]

00:03:59   periods in in software fashion where you can point to really tacky things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/239">TS</a>]

00:04:04   worked that kind of like where I conduct of that era like the flash inter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/244">TS</a>]

00:04:09   appeared on websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/249">TS</a>]

00:04:10   you know or in this or clipe in Microsoft Office and I wonder if this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/250">TS</a>]

00:04:16   this is that thing for our current era is like that the stupid over later you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/256">TS</a>]

00:04:21   have to show a little tutorial videos a little little interest you have to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/261">TS</a>]

00:04:25   on on gesture-based iOS apps because nobody could figure out of looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/265">TS</a>]

00:04:30   them what to do and I wonder if we're ever gonna move past that I mean this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/270">TS</a>]

00:04:33   this is a big problem in all gesture-based interfaces because the NHS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/273">TS</a>]

00:04:39   a keyboard shortcuts gestures are are just as discoverable as keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/279">TS</a>]

00:04:42   shortcuts for the most part actually in some laser little bit less but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/282">TS</a>]

00:04:47   no there's no list at least you can open the menu new can eventually some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/287">TS</a>]

00:04:53   figure out the whole thing is next to the commands tell you the keeper target [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/293">TS</a>]

00:04:56   anyway so you know I wonder I wonder if we're gonna move past this really and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/296">TS</a>]

00:05:02   and how long will it be until we look at an app like this that that is so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/302">TS</a>]

00:05:08   you know to cleverly designed for its own could almost it it's so it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/308">TS</a>]

00:05:13   different from what we have both had before that it has to have all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/313">TS</a>]

00:05:16   overlays and he's helped dialogues which we've seen in a paper for the last few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/316">TS</a>]

00:05:21   years but it just seems like a really bad hack it seems like a really terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/321">TS</a>]

00:05:25   design flaw to have to require these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/325">TS</a>]

00:05:29   papers the first one to interrupt to me like I'm used to having it be something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/329">TS</a>]

00:05:34   you go through an initial launch or having to be something you asked for on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/334">TS</a>]

00:05:37   demand not used to thinking I'm through with that part of the first launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/337">TS</a>]

00:05:41   experience proceeding to use the app and then having it come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/341">TS</a>]

00:05:45   unprompted and say I've gotta tell you something else now and then have you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/345">TS</a>]

00:05:49   away again and then having it come back like that it's it's not even so much the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/349">TS</a>]

00:05:53   audio and video that is great it's the if the idea that you're never free of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/353">TS</a>]

00:05:57   like I know how long it goes on to say keep reminding you when does it decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/357">TS</a>]

00:06:00   that I've that I know that you swipe up to do this thing or swipe left and right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/360">TS</a>]

00:06:03   to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/363">TS</a>]

00:06:04   think that that's terrible but for the gestural you eyes I think one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/364">TS</a>]

00:06:10   problems I don't think people really solves this is you really need to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/370">TS</a>]

00:06:14   some kind of model doesn't necessarily have to be physical model but it has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/374">TS</a>]

00:06:19   be a model that matches up with most of users mentally where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/379">TS</a>]

00:06:23   the motions being something can have some sort of connection and it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/383">TS</a>]

00:06:29   difficult to do that i mean you can see it in the border in paper and other apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/389">TS</a>]

00:06:33   so paper like left and right is how you go through things and that's alright so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/393">TS</a>]

00:06:38   they lined up left to right to go from side to side that's that in itself is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/398">TS</a>]

00:06:41   little weird because most of us use the vertical scrolling but it's growing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/401">TS</a>]

00:06:44   I can handle that but then they have the thing we're like folds over itself when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/404">TS</a>]

00:06:47   you push upwards to see like if you want to see more on this limbo like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/407">TS</a>]

00:06:51   little panel folds down and there's no sort of analog in real life certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/411">TS</a>]

00:06:55   not in the physical world and not many computer you eyes that would indicate to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/415">TS</a>]

00:06:58   you that that is a memorable motion for Argo push-up push down on that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/418">TS</a>]

00:07:02   that you really need to have some kind of connection to hang onto the only way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/422">TS</a>]

00:07:07   you can get away with not doing that is if it's that people use obsessively and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/427">TS</a>]

00:07:11   constantly and they'll just learning because I use it all the time and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/431">TS</a>]

00:07:15   Facebook has that going for that people can use it all time and eventually those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/435">TS</a>]

00:07:17   motions but it becomes second nature kind of like your favorite Twitter app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/437">TS</a>]

00:07:20   everybody knows is which way slide to to see the conversation is in which way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/440">TS</a>]

00:07:25   slide 2 replies and it's different in different order after whichever one you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/445">TS</a>]

00:07:28   use all the time you get used to it but it really helps to have a physical model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/448">TS</a>]

00:07:33   kind of like the webOS cards metaphor or the the iOS 7 task switcher where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/453">TS</a>]

00:07:40   can kind of envisioned them as individual entities that you can throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/460">TS</a>]

00:07:43   off the screen or something like that some kind of thing to hang your hat on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/463">TS</a>]

00:07:46   his otherwise I imagine if every app was like paper I think eventually you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/466">TS</a>]

00:07:50   confused and your thumb would be like oh I thought it was slight left but a slide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/470">TS</a>]

00:07:54   right and you don't have to think about an unconscious level and you like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/474">TS</a>]

00:07:57   is slide up in this app is that show more detailers that get rid of this item [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/477">TS</a>]

00:08:00   and how do I get back to where I was that slide to leftward I pulled down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/480">TS</a>]

00:08:04   you only have a few access to work with and especially this whole screen grab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/484">TS</a>]

00:08:08   the whole thing gestures is this really you know it's everybody fighting over up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/488">TS</a>]

00:08:12   left right and down known as the guts to really do 45 degree angle 40 bucks the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/492">TS</a>]

00:08:17   rectangle but anyway no worries have the guts to do it specific angles but I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/497">TS</a>]

00:08:21   eventually maybe that's going to come it's gonna be a revolutionary new thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/501">TS</a>]

00:08:23   not only can you fold it up and make some new panel come out and fold it down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/503">TS</a>]

00:08:26   to make it up over and pulled it left to right to make twisty slide but 45 that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/506">TS</a>]

00:08:30   folds up into little Swan and flies away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/510">TS</a>]

00:08:32   it's really difficult than I i wud contested since I use enough different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/512">TS</a>]

00:08:38   Twitter apps and app that net apps and everything that occasion I do flick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/518">TS</a>]

00:08:41   their own direction so I wanted reply but I got show conversation because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/521">TS</a>]

00:08:45   different in different apps and there's nothing particularly writer lefty about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/525">TS</a>]

00:08:49   show conversation in reply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/529">TS</a>]

00:08:50   you know physically speaking yeah what's this route metrics thing that one of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/530">TS</a>]

00:08:57   added I glanced at this earlier and it actually very interesting but their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/537">TS</a>]

00:09:01   member on the last show I think I mentioned about Google like a project to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/541">TS</a>]

00:09:06   do with all its Android phones is it could measure the you know the signal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/546">TS</a>]

00:09:10   strength in the data throughput of various ISPs in the report that back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/550">TS</a>]

00:09:14   Google so you have an idea of like if I live in his exact spot in this house and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/554">TS</a>]

00:09:21   I work in this building right here what service has the best throughput and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/561">TS</a>]

00:09:25   best reliability and you know like that type of information as the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/565">TS</a>]

00:09:29   information you can get if you have tons and tons of people all over the country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/569">TS</a>]

00:09:32   in various locations because you can't just have like one person each city you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/572">TS</a>]

00:09:36   really wanna know specific data and after mentioning the show someone whose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/576">TS</a>]

00:09:40   name I lost sorry sent me the URL this place called metrics and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/580">TS</a>]

00:09:45   apparently company and that's what they do they send people around to test the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/585">TS</a>]

00:09:49   connectivity various different ISPs from different places all over the United [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/589">TS</a>]

00:09:55   States and I guess also the UK and they said they've driven over a hundred and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/595">TS</a>]

00:09:59   thirty-two thousand miles and done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/599">TS</a>]

00:10:01   3.5 million tests you can look at their website its route metrics dot com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/601">TS</a>]

00:10:06   they're not a sponsor I read through their methodology and their claims that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/606">TS</a>]

00:10:10   it seems like they're doing it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/610">TS</a>]

00:10:12   like the not affiliated with any network as far as I can tell if they are they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/612">TS</a>]

00:10:14   hiding it very well and they they try to be objective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/614">TS</a>]

00:10:18   make sure they have enough samples to be statistically sound so apparently is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/618">TS</a>]

00:10:24   good idea in someone's are you doing it so if you want to find out I guess you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/624">TS</a>]

00:10:27   go to this website I had exploded website enough to know is this an app I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/627">TS</a>]

00:10:30   downloaded a service I sign up for whatever it is it seems like they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/630">TS</a>]

00:10:35   nap so it says that they have driven actually 540,000 miles they've tested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/635">TS</a>]

00:10:42   937 markets well I'm assuming that means they have done that but additionally you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/642">TS</a>]

00:10:47   can download their app into a test and I'm assuming that's how they aggregate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/647">TS</a>]

00:10:51   all of all of the consumer information like you were describing is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/651">TS</a>]

00:10:56   ideas all download this app ballroom all tests are reporting that I wanna meet in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/656">TS</a>]

00:11:00   C and they will add that to their database info and they point out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/660">TS</a>]

00:11:05   things they don't do user surveys asking people how they think the conductivity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/665">TS</a>]

00:11:09   is because that would be terrible and they emphasized that they have people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/669">TS</a>]

00:11:13   look at the statistics and making sure that they've achieved a proper level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/673">TS</a>]

00:11:17   significance and all the goods from from the five minute I spend on the website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/677">TS</a>]

00:11:21   look it looked interesting I'm glad someone is doing that right next I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/681">TS</a>]

00:11:27   this iPad pros listener Mike Z wrote in asking you know we were talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/687">TS</a>]

00:11:34   the iPad pro and moving towards needs of their people and everything else has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/694">TS</a>]

00:11:38   get better and Mike Z said are you sure that usability is infinitely approval [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/698">TS</a>]

00:11:43   one of computers including mobile platforms just aren't for everyone and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/703">TS</a>]

00:11:49   thought this was worth considering because it we have faced a similar issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/709">TS</a>]

00:11:53   with programming languages and programming in general where for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/713">TS</a>]

00:11:59   especially late nineties even before that really but for a while they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/719">TS</a>]

00:12:03   these efforts to to bring programming to every computer user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/723">TS</a>]

00:12:06   you know everyone can be a programmer and there were these efforts to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/726">TS</a>]

00:12:10   simpler in simpler languages added more and more stuff for you or you know had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/730">TS</a>]

00:12:14   experimental types of sin taxes and commands and and were were very simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/734">TS</a>]

00:12:19   and really made for everyone and the reason why everyone isn't a programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/739">TS</a>]

00:12:25   today is not because the Lang design simple enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/745">TS</a>]

00:12:29   it's because programming just conceptually programming is complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/749">TS</a>]

00:12:34   and even if you don't have to do that much to tell the computer what you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/754">TS</a>]

00:12:39   trying to do you still have to deal with the reality of things like the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/759">TS</a>]

00:12:43   is not going to be able to really reliably guess if you don't tell it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/763">TS</a>]

00:12:47   well or if you're ambiguous you know it doesn't really deal with that very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/767">TS</a>]

00:12:51   or if you don't really necessarily know what you want or you tell it what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/771">TS</a>]

00:12:55   want but that's actually not what you want because you didn't tell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/775">TS</a>]

00:12:59   correctly it's all these problems that that make programming hard even for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/779">TS</a>]

00:13:03   those of us who know how to do it and so i think the reality that the conclusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/783">TS</a>]

00:13:09   of those kinds of efforts is that you can make programming easier to a point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/789">TS</a>]

00:13:14   but after a certain point just the inherent nature of the inherent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/794">TS</a>]

00:13:20   complexity of doing a programming type task does keep a lot of people out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/800">TS</a>]

00:13:24   because they just can't think that way they can't do you think you think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/804">TS</a>]

00:13:29   was a nineties phenomenon you should go to the four DL Wikipedia page and do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/809">TS</a>]

00:13:33   some reading back back from when I was frustrating about programming this is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/813">TS</a>]

00:13:37   guess it goes in cycles like anything else but the other was for jails for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/817">TS</a>]

00:13:40   big big thing and they were going to make it seid until the next yes you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/820">TS</a>]

00:13:46   this is not yet this is not a new thing really but it seems like the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/826">TS</a>]

00:13:51   died down in recent years as everyone's kind of realize that you know yeah sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/831">TS</a>]

00:13:54   you're not perfect these days and there's there's always going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/834">TS</a>]

00:13:57   driven to improve programming languages but inherently programming is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/837">TS</a>]

00:14:03   complicated and there are these these concepts and realities involved with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/843">TS</a>]

00:14:07   that no matter how easy make the language it still has a built-in degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/847">TS</a>]

00:14:12   of complexity you can never fully get rid of so so you know back to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/852">TS</a>]

00:14:16   question you know where does usability fall into this category you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/856">TS</a>]

00:14:20   know as he asks what of computers just aren't for everyone and I think that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/860">TS</a>]

00:14:26   really interesting point because we we see you know I've been trying for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/866">TS</a>]

00:14:30   while now and the show we see issues that apples are into a tie less where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/870">TS</a>]

00:14:35   the realities of being a computing device get in the way of their pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/875">TS</a>]

00:14:39   abstractions things like you know we talked about storage space being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/879">TS</a>]

00:14:42   issue and managing photos and backups and stuff like that and how you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/882">TS</a>]

00:14:46   assignment walls with that with iOS because they try to make it simpler and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/886">TS</a>]

00:14:50   better for everyone but then reality kicks in at some point and and and has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/890">TS</a>]

00:14:54   problem with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/894">TS</a>]

00:14:55   and computers inherently they are kind of complex and it and it doesn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/895">TS</a>]

00:15:02   matter you know even the Chromebook which uses its Web service for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/902">TS</a>]

00:15:05   everything even that has complexity because you're you're talking about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/905">TS</a>]

00:15:11   talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/911">TS</a>]

00:15:12   complexity of data and having data having accounts that you log into or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/912">TS</a>]

00:15:18   data that you manage the concept of documents and files and where do you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/918">TS</a>]

00:15:22   them where are they when you look for them how do you copy stuff move stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/922">TS</a>]

00:15:28   how do you manage things where the stuff backed up where it's backed up all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/928">TS</a>]

00:15:32   these things I think are just inherent complexities of computers and even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/932">TS</a>]

00:15:37   you have fantastic backup services cloud services cloud interfaces great great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/937">TS</a>]

00:15:43   interface design I think the reality you're still dealing with this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/943">TS</a>]

00:15:47   computer it does exactly you tell it to and no more for the most part and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/947">TS</a>]

00:15:53   know if you tell it save this thing I just typed name at this it'll have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/953">TS</a>]

00:15:58   if you can't remember anything anymore the name you're gonna have a hard time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/958">TS</a>]

00:16:01   finding it lets you browse more than a million things to browse through as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/961">TS</a>]

00:16:04   you've been doing this every single day for the last ten years like it's theirs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/964">TS</a>]

00:16:08   inherent complexity and just having data in a computing system and managing it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/968">TS</a>]

00:16:13   some way no matter how good the system is so I think well there is tons of room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/973">TS</a>]

00:16:17   for improvement I think there is a ceiling and when we are we are we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/977">TS</a>]

00:16:21   heading out already and I think we can kind of get you know logarithmically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/981">TS</a>]

00:16:26   closer to it but I think we're never going to asymptotically closer whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/986">TS</a>]

00:16:30   you know the asymptotes in math where to get closer to it but I don't think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/990">TS</a>]

00:16:34   ever gonna really be able to break through the ceiling of you know there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/994">TS</a>]

00:16:38   this inherent complexity with these things is a bogus question because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/998">TS</a>]

00:16:42   starts off are we sure these abilities in Philly approval did any of us ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:46   say it was infinitely approval I don't think anyone said or implied that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:49   that's a crazy thing it wasn't really improve both would result in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:52   technological destruction of the world because every single person on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:55   planet will be able to do everything that every computer game ball without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:58   you know without any real effort think it think they can make it happen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:03   even just giving current technology that would destroy you know any hack into new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1023">TS</a>]

00:17:08   killer missile silos because they know that is something they want to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:11   computers are infinitely infinitely usable but everything obviously but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:17   don't know if there is some sort of you know that some sort of inherent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:21   complexity with current technology like given the hardware that we have and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:25   limitations of that hardware how usable can you make it I believe yes there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1045">TS</a>]

00:17:29   limit there as well I don't think we're anywhere near here that limit for even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1049">TS</a>]

00:17:33   giving hardware and hardware is getting better over time so I think that we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:39   always be chasing that and we can always make them more usable bit but more to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:42   the point of the iPad pro thing we already seen like maybe computers aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:46   for everyone totally for everyone if we do not learn the computers for everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:50   even before smartphones PCs proved that computers are pretty much for everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1070">TS</a>]

00:17:54   in the same way that anything can be forever and yes you have to live in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:57   first world countries can afford a computer but bravely proven that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1077">TS</a>]

00:18:02   know given the resources if you give a computer to everybody they can find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:06   something useful to do it then yes they're crappy an annoying and they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:09   have problems but saw two cars to houses for clothing so is everything else that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:13   regular people can happen smartphones forget it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:15   their computers there for everyone so yes computing is definitely for everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:20   computers can get easier on the current hardware and on the iPad pro thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:24   devices more usable than personal computers I think they are so I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:30   don't see why I kind of series getting out here but I think it's kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:34   strong man and doesn't really shed any light on the question you're asking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:37   the things we do all agree that iOS devices are easier than prosecutors how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:41   much easier whatever I think we also agree that computers are for everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:45   even if they may be annoying to prove its proven by the existence ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:50   everyone has one now almost everyone has one so I didn't find this question as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1130">TS</a>]

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00:21:34   this pricing too if you wanted to start a fun Dropbox or any of the cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1294">TS</a>]

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00:22:12   your transporter and in with any other Macs a login with and so you can kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:16   have your Mac special folders desktop photos all that stuff you can have those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1336">TS</a>]

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00:22:33   in the Dropbox folder rather than just keep them on the desktop or keeping them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1353">TS</a>]

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00:24:21   noncommittal about talking about all I added it I'm committal the question mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:26   was just to allow you guys to refer to reject the topic I don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:31   there's much to say which means net take a look at the time stamp now and we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:35   come back and say well that was good in an hour but I mean it seems to me like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:41   like a guy a kid we know how will filter is 28 or 29 something one of those I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:47   barely older so I can see kid with a kid that I wrote this tried to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:53   that people say may or may not be good but certainly was popular and didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:58   like the aftermath which to some degree I think it's very small degree I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1498">TS</a>]

00:25:02   the three of us can sympathize with well not john Kitzhaber much john but you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:06   I can sympathize empathize with that Marco and John is evident in the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:09   Store either also true so yes they put something in the App Store everyone you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:14   know went beserk about it both good and bad and then he pulled it because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:18   wanted to go back to it easy in normal world never got mad about that like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:23   feel bad for the guy I guess is what I'm trying to say it just seems like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:26   really crummy situation that didn't have to be yeah that's that's kind of why to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:31   topic I mean the game itself was basically a mean like it wasn't like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:37   one actually real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:38   he loved it as like oh my god this is the most amazing game ever they but its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:43   is it is like funny addictive game and I think it wasn't really I'm sure when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:51   this guy made this game I'm sure he did not expect to be number one in the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:54   Store and and I i checked I'm a little earlier and I and I checked using our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1554">TS</a>]

00:26:00   friends at figures do not have an account there you can look up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:02   rankings for a Japanese store so I checked to make sure and it was still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:07   number one it was number one for many days straight beforehand and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:10   number one at the moment to get off the store I mean has this ever happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:15   before where somebody who had this extremely high profile ASAP in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:20   middle of its massive live popularity close up the store for you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:25   wasn't a legal reason as far as we know it wasn't you know it wasn't like any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:29   compelling reason except that he was he just couldn't take the mirage of of hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:35   and flames that he was getting the attention he was getting as a result of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:39   being that opposition why was he getting paid in flames he so people were looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:46   like he was getting hundreds and hundreds or possibly thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:50   Twitter message is that once you figure out your name using tons of messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:56   saying like you know damn you for getting me to do this game I've lost my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1616">TS</a>]

00:27:01   life because of this game I have lost hours to this but those are but those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:05   are like supposed to be funny like those aren't really well but a lot you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:09   lot of people online are not funny in their criticism I saw when he said he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:14   was gonna pull it then he started to get the actual crazy threats but that's only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:20   because people don't understand what pulled from the App Store means I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:24   to imagine that they don't understand because obviously if they carry all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:27   they've already got it and play it from the store doesn't take away from them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:30   people understand that but it's it's a shame that people are so terrible but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:36   they are and any time you are high profile in any way you get more exposure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:43   to the good and the bad and like he this is just some guy presumably and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:50   didn't like it and wasn't prepared for it and he pulled out of it I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:55   it's i mean it's terrible but I see they can we also terrible stuff like that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1675">TS</a>]

00:28:00   the time doesn't make it better and like I think the I think the story is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:04   phenomenon of the game and the person's reaction to it is kind of like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:09   reaction lots of people have lots of people will do something online that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:13   gets a little tiny bit of notoriety and they got lots of negative feedback about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:16   it and how they react to it depends on what you said that they are used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:21   getting lots of negative feedback to strangers to have the ability to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:24   look at it and not worry about it we talked about this before about how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:28   deal with negative feedback from people and there's a scale doll is obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:32   his scales massively bigger than someone who writes a blog post if you feel free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:35   to complain about but everyone has different tolerances so the individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:39   personal story of how he handled crazy internet criticism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:44   I'm not interested in in that as I am in the story of how random game rocketed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:50   the top of the charts in the App Store and you know why that happened and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:56   Tripoli there's a Game Room interested in debating the merits of the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:59   itself but it seems like the human interest story is dominating the news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:03   these days like when you put down this the floppy birth saga I think people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:07   understand that phrase to mean you know let let's talk about this guy's feelings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:11   and terrible things that have been said to him over the internet versus let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:16   talk about the game because I think people are over the game part well I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:20   think there's there's two stories here there's a article on Forbes they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:24   interviewed him in and they claim the article he said that he took it down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:30   because it was an addictive product and that's a problem so it's it's best to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:35   get rid of it and I've read a few things I didn't have a whole lot of time I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:39   a few things today talking about you know the differences in cultures here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:42   this this is the guy in Vietnam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:44   mom and and the the culture over there about around video game addiction is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:49   very different than it is here and apparently video game addiction is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:53   actually a pretty serious problem for a lot of fraud of Asian countries and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:59   and so it's you know it's looked upon almost away like alcohol addiction is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:03   here is is like serious and so to to make something for everyone is telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:08   you they're addicted to it is is a more serious thing you know here it's a fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:12   lighthearted thing you know there's more serious that's kind of bad but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:17   one story here is the story of basically harassing this guy and and I mean it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:23   it wasn't just people saying it was addictive it was like all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:27   stories going up on major websites and like this is the worst game ever made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:32   and it's popularly just trashing the game and and it's a real it was a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:37   iPhone I actually I actually downloaded it after he said he was going to pull it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:41   out like well I might as well get it so i atleast know what I'm talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:45   but so you know one problem is the flames that went into force in the sky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:53   to take this down basically end and that's that's a pretty serious cultural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:57   problem but I don't think it's one we can really deal with easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1857">TS</a>]

00:31:00   unfortunately the other interesting story about this is why did this game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:07   get so popular and and the reactions that other iOS developers and other game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:12   developers have had as a result and I think that's potentially even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:16   interesting because like to me and I posted it to me this it's very obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:20   like a popular it's because it was like cute and charming and kinda crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:27   really crappy but it was it was exactly what succeed in the App Store it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:34   quick it was simple there was no learning curve you play at 46 seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:38   and be done to play at Natick you want to like it was and you just launched it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1898">TS</a>]

00:31:42   and for the most part is launching it goes is not a million different splash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:46   screens there's not a huge menu system like console games stupid things there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:51   not there's no in-app purchases and it's free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:54   it just has topped hardly ever even popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:56   desired as apparently a terrible federated the scale like it it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1916">TS</a>]

00:32:02   was exactly what succeeds in the App Store it was kinda retro kinda kindest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:06   you know kinda knew it was of course have succeeded and the game developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:11   are all linked so upset because they put so much more time and money into their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:18   game and that most of them don't do this well but I think what this really is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:22   kind of a wake-up call to the game industry saying look you know this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:27   is the kind of thing that does well this is the kind of thing people actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:31   play and download on the AppStore and so all you guys out there you know trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:36   to try to make like really really high budget productions need really deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:40   games trying to sell into this particular market or people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:44   trying to come up with an app purchases and and and try to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:50   psychologically screw people that way you're like that you're trying to do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:56   that in a market where this is the kind of thing succeeds and that's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1976">TS</a>]

00:33:00   frustrating to hear I imagine don't you think there's tens of thousands of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:04   games that all those criteria like I would say but there are no I know before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:10   that like i'm saying that may be necessary for a massive abscess but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:15   is not sufficient far from an interesting question and i think is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:18   did this particular terrible addictive application that has nothing to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:23   succeed when the tons of other pre-existing applications that all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:30   same criteria didn't end it's the you know this so many thousands of thousands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:34   of apps something made this particular one snowball right and it may be just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:40   you know happenstance like it was some random fluctuation of things that caused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:45   this to to snowball out of control it but like I don't think it's anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:49   about the application itself other than having you know having those qualities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:53   you describe which I do not think are uncommon I think there are tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:57   terrible short simple fast play free ad-supported games with addictive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2037">TS</a>]

00:34:03   mechanics on the App Store but this particular one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:06   happened to snowball and I'm not talking about the clones that came after I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:10   talking about three years before like the App Store so many apps tons about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:14   the Phillies criteria and so the devious stories like this some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:18   conspiracy going on here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:20   the App Store paid reviews or whatever and the more more by now story is we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:26   don't know exactly why its noble I guess it could have been any other opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:29   happened to be this one if someone could track that down to show like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:34   download tree of the individual people and how did this spiral up to be this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:38   thing but it's you know I think I think you got it right the first time you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:41   this is a meme how to means become popular there are tons of funny things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:45   on the internet time but everyone tomorrow through them catch hold are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:49   they funny or more culturally relevant or do they have qualities about them the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:53   other means not usually not usually it they're pretty much all one big giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:57   means to in any of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2097">TS</a>]

00:34:59   isolation you could say equally dumb equally funny appeal to the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:04   standard base instincts of people why is one massively popular there on the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:08   one not just it's like you know chaos theory it's it's a butterfly flaps its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:12   wings somewhere in this guy's game in vietnam goes and that's why it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:16   a tragedy that he gets always negative feedback because it really I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:21   he did I haven't seen any agency did anything nefarious to get his rankings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:24   so he was like a victim of a tornado or lightning strike and a bad way and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:29   he should he could not have had any expectation that his game would go like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:33   this because it looks on the outside before publishing this game you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:36   have found tons of games with all the same qualities that went nowhere and yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:41   his game didn't go nowhere run away to the top and its I would like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:44   understand that phenomenon but I think that I i'm more in favor of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:48   butterfly flapping its wings theory of how this became successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:53   I would I would actually say that it is very clear it's very obvious when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:57   when you sit down and look this game with the exception of the I add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2157">TS</a>]

00:36:03   occasionally interfering the top part of your view which doesn't even mention the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:06   game at all and I don't know how he's making that much money on ads because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:10   dont have a tab on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:11   but with the exception of the other I add the game was actually like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:18   impeccably implemented how hard I disagree with it was impeccably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:24   implemented to the essence of what makes App Store games addictive and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:31   people actually I think that's what is driving everyone crazy totally disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:36   what's driving everyone crazy is that they don't want to believe this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:40   the market is but this is what the market is the market is not this game is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:45   not and I understand what you're getting at but you could tap into those same bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:50   instincts and people more efficiently than this game with a better game this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:53   is not it's not a terrible game it's not like a piece of garbage gaming he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:57   doesn't deserve to have people telling him he made a bad game or anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2217">TS</a>]

00:37:00   that it's just that obviously that is so successful people want to tear it down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:04   but where I draw the line is people trying to say that this game to see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:07   because it was good because implementation wise in this game there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:10   are many points you could have a game design perspective and even from a let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:15   let's plug into the worst instincts and people and exploit them I would say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:19   terrible rip off you know clone things like candy crush are more efficient and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:24   better at and those buns because i dont can request too complicated this was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:28   simple but never again I i think you could go to the App Store and find many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:32   games with similar mechanics are very similar maybe I'm going through pipes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:38   whatever may be trying to jump over something but kind of not very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:42   implemented difficult for bad reasons very quick the reason this game became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:47   popular is because everyone was playing it and that's you know no one goes there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:50   anymore it's too crowded that type of statement makes no sense but seriously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:55   the phenomenon here is the snowball that it becomes irrelevant as larger groups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:59   of people did you were the only person on the planet and you had access to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:03   entire app store and download this game you would throw it away and not played a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/2283">TS</a>]

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00:51:05   deciding what gets to go on television they could afford to have principles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:11   about things that they all sort of agreed on so network TV news for sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:18   a loss leader but like they felt it was important to inform the public I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:23   probably actually might have been partisan FCC mandated stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:26   where they would they would make news programming that by modern standards is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:30   boring but they would tell us that things that we thought we needed to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:33   kind of a paternalistic we know best we control access of the airway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:36   waves we have high-minded ideals about what's important for you to know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:41   what is rubbish inefficiency and yeah we run soap operas during the day and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:44   that and I Love Lucy no bus stop but the network news is we're going to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:49   concentrate on this compared to today where there's tons of channels cable has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:54   eliminated that the fight for spectrum and open it up too many more networks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3114">TS</a>]

00:51:58   like CNN during use and all the other things and now this this and the 24 hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3118">TS</a>]

00:52:02   news just made it this far much more room for news and increased competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:07   law barrier to entry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:09   more news to be made has caused them to compete with each other to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:14   what is the people want what they want to see is OJ right around the white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:17   bronco and coverage of celebrities and all of those things that we also just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:22   terrible that we should be watching but letting more using television flow out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:30   has caused this to happen like it is it is freeing up freeing us from the that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:36   totalitarian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:38   the rule of those few bald white man controlling what we have on and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:42   no longer afford to have these high-minded ideals cuz if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:44   ratings you have to show the stuff that people want and it's not like I blame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:48   those people from making the content or I blame the people I blame the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3168">TS</a>]

00:52:51   who want the content for wanting it it's simply the reduction in friction and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:56   App Store has so massively reduce friction in the market of gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3176">TS</a>]

00:53:00   compared to how hard it was to get a game on a console or how hard it was to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:03   get a computer game publishers the friction is so low now that inevitably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:08   you see the exact same thing even worse more accelerated just figure out what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:12   is the people want what what what's the what's the equivalent of you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:16   the trashy 24 hour news channels just show things like Nancy Grace's stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:20   like that as opposed to like you know the daily use with ted koppel you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:24   afford to be you know more sophisticated and so the question is free ruining the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:29   game is free is ruining the game industry in the same way that cable has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:34   room news in the same way that to pick an industry that the technological [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:39   barriers one of my sooner like mcdonald's his room the food industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:42   when you remove all the friction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:45   you let everybody compete you will necessarily get a redistribution of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:48   quality whereas artificially limited and put some you know people in charge of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:52   they have the power to make it the average better but the number of much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:57   smaller when you reduce the friction the number becomes massive the average goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3237">TS</a>]

00:54:02   way down but I still think there is more good stuff so overall I think for his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:06   not ruin the game history I think there are more good games now than they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3246">TS</a>]

00:54:10   before it's just that there are so many more games and so many more games that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:14   appeal to the worse than that that's what we see because most people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:18   going to be playing the crappy games that appeal to the worst of them just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:22   lot of numbers but I think there are more better games now than they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:26   before I don't think free is running the game is just seems that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:30   wow I don't even know how I agree well moving on so apparently business happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:43   after hours or gets quietly leaked after hours late breaking Marco shared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:49   something with us moments ago apparently comcast is buying time warner because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:55   that sounds wonderful does everyone hate Time Warner doesn't everybody Comcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:59   Time Warner more not possible I don't know I think people hate Comcast see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3299">TS</a>]

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00:55:08   into time-warner areas and they've been finding no not not great but fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:13   integrate merger when we're debating who was companies more hated all these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:18   american ISPs they're all awful but we don't we don't think those who are files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:23   customers we may not like Verizon Wireless for various reasons but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:27   we're all more or less happy with my girl glad that we have FIOS with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:31   pricing is kind of around the same as what we hear from cable companies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:36   we're happy with the service in terms of reliability and speed the only one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:39   hear better things about is I don't know if this is just because it's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:43   few places they visit every year but what used to be cablevision on Long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3343">TS</a>]

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00:55:54   their that has it it's kind of crappy to me but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:56   like it's highly rated but I feared Comcast yes lots of people like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3356">TS</a>]

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00:56:04   about time warner oh yeah I've actually I had Cablevision's Optimum Online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3364">TS</a>]

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00:56:19   it was it was very clearly oversold and where I was and I and Time Warner in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:24   Manhattan I've had it in there in the office we had that briefly in and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:29   it was pretty bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:30   Manhattan has a problem we're pretty much anything that's not like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:36   thousands of dollars a month dedicated leased line to your office like anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3396">TS</a>]

00:56:41   less than that where you guys getting like files or business cable they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:45   terrible it's for the same reason everything else in Manhattan its its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:49   traffic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:50   you have way too many people in a way to small area and there's even traffic on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:55   the internet but there's too much traffic even for that so that everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:58   backhaul and pipes and everything gets overloaded in Manhattan to and buildings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3418">TS</a>]

00:57:02   are old so a lot of times you only have one choice of what the buildings even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:06   would permit already have hookups for its it's a bad scene there but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:11   know what scares me about about this this deal assuming that it's real and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:18   would assume that the subject to regulatory approval although the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:22   things have gone in the us- with the FCC and regulatory approval for things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:28   Internet companies urging I don't imagine they're gonna have problems with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:33   that I think they should but they won't and so I just think it's said I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:38   last thing that we need in the us- is less broadband competition all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:45   people in other countries have been telling us since last week or whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:47   we talk about net neutrality that I remember which countries there but some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:50   some places are currently have laws that if you own the wires you can't run it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:53   ISP and that would be an easy and easy way to do things like a common carrier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:59   things worth I call you on the wires you have to rent access your required by law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:02   to rent them out to other people and then you like grumble grumble or if I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:06   already from Apple do a crappy job of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:08   day that the Lord has to be split where one company can on both of them seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:12   much better because then the interests are aligned like the company that owns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:15   the wires in the business of renting them out and it's not like you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:19   company that owns the wire that an ISP also was forced by the government to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:22   rent them out but always a crappy job and gives the rents out the crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:26   quality of services it's many systems are better than what we have now and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:31   think preventing the merger I agree that they probably shouldn't be allowed to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:34   forward but the bottom line is like time-warner will probably get better as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:37   a result of this and it will give Comcast more power to raise prices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:41   screw everybody so it's like not allowing this merger doesn't really make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:45   things better it just stops things from getting worse in one respect and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:49   possibly better and so we need saying laws on Tekken we won't get it cos we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:53   in america [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:54   well and there is there is one thing to point out that the child is the chat on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:57   Twitter but very happy very happy right now that competition in this instance is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3537">TS</a>]

00:59:04   weird because the way US-cuba companies work you almost never had never heard of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3544">TS</a>]

00:59:09   a place where you can choose between two different cable companies in in like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:12   your house or office like usually massachusetts we have three up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:16   really Comcast fires and RCN I think that's still the case I had I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3556">TS</a>]

00:59:21   Comcast and files in the same place and RCN cable for running right to my house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:26   when I can they all did internet all day all good internet phone television 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:31   sure yet will usually you'll have one phone company and one cable company and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:36   you can you can get things they're both is FiOS for his resin files that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3576">TS</a>]

00:59:42   get TV to a 218 tease you vs them that anyway I don't have any of these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3582">TS</a>]

00:59:47   are but nevertheless I'm a rarity but I have three choices I could affect any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3587">TS</a>]

00:59:51   three of those interested only as hell I could affect all three of them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:54   pictures from the other in television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:56   want to obviously they make that you cannot be infeasible but that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3596">TS</a>]

00:59:59   rarity mostly from what I hear it's like all I can get my house is Comcast or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:03   something right usually you can choose one phone company with DSL or if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:07   lucky fiber and one cable companies and that's it and so you know time-warner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:12   and and and Comcast or not like so direct competitors are they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:16   really compete on price because they're usually not competing for the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:19   customers where I think this is bad is in consolidation of you know now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:25   gonna have even fewer major national ISPs and Comcast which is already I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:31   think it was the biggest in the country already Comcast which already has way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3631">TS</a>]

01:00:36   too much power over things like net neutrality in the you s like a miniature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3636">TS</a>]

01:00:41   out it starts going badly for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:43   comcast is gonna beat the first company to start screwing people over there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3643">TS</a>]

01:00:48   gonna jump right on that they have a terrible track record with this date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:54   they are just horrible horrible people in that company and so it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3654">TS</a>]

01:01:00   necessarily the problem of you have less competition for pricing in your area for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:05   cable it's the problem of now one company is going to be in charge of even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:10   more of the USS clinton broadband like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3670">TS</a>]

01:01:13   the number of companies that are representing the entire united us' is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3673">TS</a>]

01:01:17   shrinking and the NDC like two of the biggest ones that are now going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3677">TS</a>]

01:01:21   become one that's that's pretty bad when I thought it would be just terrible of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3681">TS</a>]

01:01:26   me not to say that I have had Comcast on at least a couple of occasions and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:35   without a shadow of a doubt I believe my most hated company other than perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:40   airlines it was terrible it was my only only reasonable option and I hated it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:48   hated it at least a hundred times more than the Mac Pro discussion I Wow heated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:53   Comcast customer service was awful it was no I would wait for an hour to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3713">TS</a>]

01:01:59   to someone who had no idea what they were doing and no matter what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3719">TS</a>]

01:02:03   fancy thing I said to them to indicate that I'm not an idiot I would still have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:07   to unplug my router [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:08   and then I would have to do this and then I would have to do that and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:11   just a freakin nightmare the service was never terribly good rates went up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3731">TS</a>]

01:02:16   constantly without any notice and without any real reason whenever I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:22   to the local office to like it returned a piece of broken equipment exchange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3742">TS</a>]

01:02:26   something whatever the case may be was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:27   5050 shot that would actually show up on my bill and I don't have to call the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:31   customer service to see ok well I returned this in person to your office I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:37   didn't even put it through the mail two weeks ago and yet you're still charging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3757">TS</a>]

01:02:39   me for this thing that I haven't had for two weeks I cannot even begin to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3759">TS</a>]

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01:02:48   talked about how wonderful files as I know no one wants to hear it but just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:51   few weeks ago when I had an issue with I forget which piece that was in the house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:57   but it wasn't the router it was something upstream from the router but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3777">TS</a>]

01:03:00   it was something in the house was like the int or something like that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3780">TS</a>]

01:03:02   anyways I said to the person on the phone while you know I would to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3782">TS</a>]

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01:03:11   and its got this this and the other thing going on and that completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/3791">TS</a>]

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01:16:23   briefed about I be consumed Bluetooth le and then we can maybe talk about coping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:29   2010 for six hours of liner notes next show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4589">TS</a>]

01:16:36   well let's let me talk briefly about by beacons and then we can wrap so I've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4596">TS</a>]

01:16:41   a little bit of time between projects at work over the last week and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4601">TS</a>]

01:16:44   half and I've been fiddling with I beacons and Bluetooth Low Energy and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4604">TS</a>]

01:16:49   case you haven't translation I've been slacking off at work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4609">TS</a>]

01:16:52   no no no I between projects it's true don't you know that you're my share of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4612">TS</a>]

01:16:59   slacking off at work don't worry they're slacking off at work and then there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4619">TS</a>]

01:17:03   doing things that are professional development when you're in between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4623">TS</a>]

01:17:07   client projects you're ninety percent I'm gonna try to be serious you're done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4627">TS</a>]

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01:17:18   what that is and I was seven Apple came up with the standard that they said they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:22   would make a standard which just like FaceTime they haven't wearing you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4642">TS</a>]

01:17:27   have over Bluetooth Low Energy a small data packets broadcast that includes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4647">TS</a>]

01:17:32   grade or UUID or good depending on how you want to quit that's how I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4652">TS</a>]

01:17:40   pronounced it anyway so strictly speaking to you idea platforms but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4660">TS</a>]

01:17:46   can broadcast a UUID a major integer a minor in nature and I believe a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4666">TS</a>]

01:17:52   bit a text as well I forgot I had any idea is you can set up iPad for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4672">TS</a>]

01:17:58   a klutz a cash register iPad and you can set it up to being over Bluetooth Low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4678">TS</a>]

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01:18:08   own on a iphone if you have let's say this is the Apple Store Apple Store is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4688">TS</a>]

01:18:13   doing this if you have the Apple Store app on your iPhone nothing not the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4693">TS</a>]

01:18:18   Store mind you but the Retail Store app as you walk into an Apple Retail Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4698">TS</a>]

01:18:24   it will actually say we see you at the Apple Store is there anything we can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4704">TS</a>]

01:18:29   for you and they took this even further WBC they said hey you know if you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4709">TS</a>]

01:18:34   about it you could use the major and minor injures to do something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4714">TS</a>]

01:18:38   specify the major in order is what store number you're in a minor in nature is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4718">TS</a>]

01:18:44   where you are within the store so you could say if it's Macy's or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4724">TS</a>]

01:18:48   like that of department store you're in the men's section and perhaps when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4728">TS</a>]

01:18:53   walk in there with your iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4733">TS</a>]

01:18:55   the app could the Macy's app if you have installed pop up and say hey we see in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4735">TS</a>]

01:18:59   the men's section did you know that ties are on sale and so on and so forth in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4739">TS</a>]

01:19:03   its both extremely cool and extremely could be extremely creepy you can think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4743">TS</a>]

01:19:08   of less creepy it uses like a museum we're talking about that museum earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4748">TS</a>]

01:19:11   where as you go between exhibits you could dig there could be I begins all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4751">TS</a>]

01:19:15   over the place saying hey we meeting here at such-and-such exhibit let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4755">TS</a>]

01:19:19   show you a screen about that rather than having to go in search for information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4759">TS</a>]

01:19:23   about that exhibit funny myself playing with this over the last week and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4763">TS</a>]

01:19:27   and really the whole point me bringing this up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4767">TS</a>]

01:19:31   was to say that that Bluetooth Low Energy apparently as a whole lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4771">TS</a>]

01:19:36   energy than I thought it did and I say that because I had my ipod my retina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4776">TS</a>]

01:19:41   iPad Mini sitting on my desk at work and then I walked across the office which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4781">TS</a>]

01:19:47   know doesn't mean anything to anyone but suffice to say it was a solid 10 10 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4787">TS</a>]

01:19:52   20 meters yards if you're an american and so polite through it was through few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4792">TS</a>]

01:20:00   walls and I could still very faintly of course but I could still pick up from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4800">TS</a>]

01:20:06   iPhone 5s my retina iPad Mini's Deacon being transmitted via Bluetooth Low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4806">TS</a>]

01:20:12   Energy a solid like 10 or 20 metres away which I just thought was remarkable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4812">TS</a>]

01:20:16   because the way it was pitched it sounded to me like it was going to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4816">TS</a>]

01:20:21   in the span of a couple of metres at most and that doesn't seem to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4821">TS</a>]

01:20:25   case at all and and I just thought it was very interesting and i will also say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4825">TS</a>]

01:20:30   that it was actually fairly straightforward to get it to work in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4830">TS</a>]

01:20:34   code really isn't that bad and I also ordered from what does it read bear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4834">TS</a>]

01:20:39   which is some company out of I believe Hong Kong I ordered a beacon be one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4839">TS</a>]

01:20:43   actually ordered three of them for the company which are basically these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4843">TS</a>]

01:20:46   stand-alone I beacons and so what you can do is you can connect to them using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4846">TS</a>]

01:20:52   an app that they have and program them with your dad / UID program them with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4852">TS</a>]

01:20:57   what Major Minor number you want and you can use them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4857">TS</a>]

01:20:59   as a physical I began in the way that the reason you can do that is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4859">TS</a>]

01:21:03   the quote-unquote standard that Apple came up with Fri beacons really isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4863">TS</a>]

01:21:08   that complex and soaps people reverse engineered a pretty quickly and they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4868">TS</a>]

01:21:13   come in they've come out with a physical hardware devices that you can use in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4873">TS</a>]

01:21:17   order to be an idea and I just thought this was all fascinating I don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4877">TS</a>]

01:21:23   know where this is going in the future but the thought of having what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4883">TS</a>]

01:21:27   basically geo location within a building where GPS isn't probably going to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4887">TS</a>]

01:21:32   very well and additionally isn't accurate enough I just think the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4892">TS</a>]

01:21:35   thing is fascinating but maybe maybe that's man do you have anything to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4895">TS</a>]

01:21:40   about that is like the fantasy of every computer every business person told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4900">TS</a>]

01:21:46   about computers the past 57 years has been hammering out a hand when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4906">TS</a>]

01:21:51   right near the cafe will tell them we're having a sale on golf it like people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4911">TS</a>]

01:21:55   obsessed with giving you just in time advertising information and every both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4915">TS</a>]

01:21:59   utopian and dystopian sci-fi movie would have some scene where the character not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4919">TS</a>]

01:22:03   used the future waters by some sign the notices he's there and tell them that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4923">TS</a>]

01:22:08   something is available for his purchase that's related to his interest sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4928">TS</a>]

01:22:10   changes to talk to him or whatever and that mostly for me that's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4930">TS</a>]

01:22:17   dystopian but I like the idea of using the similar type of technology where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4937">TS</a>]

01:22:24   it's like it's not it's longer-range the near-field if not as long range wifi but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4944">TS</a>]

01:22:32   it's almost as low power as powers and you feel obviously but but it's much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4952">TS</a>]

01:22:37   lower power like making more feasible to do something like like pipe in GPS for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4957">TS</a>]

01:22:43   example like to do the equivalent of positioning within a building without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4963">TS</a>]

01:22:46   having to use GPS but have it be similarly accurate by using LTE in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4966">TS</a>]

01:22:51   the in-store beacons as sort of a proxy for actual GPS beacon somewhere else and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4971">TS</a>]

01:22:56   I don't know what position in that building it's good because even if just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4976">TS</a>]

01:23:02   for like you're in the mall you want to find out where the heck with the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:07   know children through the Gymboree is here on my clothes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4987">TS</a>]

01:23:10   you have been in this mall before it would be nice and the ball is considered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4990">TS</a>]

01:23:14   a feature if you look on your phone and like typing Gwilym and tap on the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4994">TS</a>]

01:23:19   thing I never tell you how to get to Gymboree like wayfinding within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/4999">TS</a>]

01:23:22   buildings to find you know if that was so common that it was boring you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:26   wouldn't have that thing that we have now like it used to be when you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5006">TS</a>]

01:23:29   go on a long car trip you'd like to look up the maps and your little Atlas thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5009">TS</a>]

01:23:33   or get one of the triple-a booklets that tells you all the different turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5013">TS</a>]

01:23:36   now we just take for granted if you want to go somewhere and you know the address [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5016">TS</a>]

01:23:39   you can just operate in your car type in the address and drive there but we still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5019">TS</a>]

01:23:43   do the thing when you get into a building where you going to go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5023">TS</a>]

01:23:45   front desk and find out what floor of this place is on and what number it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5025">TS</a>]

01:23:48   and you look up on the little the sign on by the elevators to show where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5028">TS</a>]

01:23:51   have to go that's that's the equivalent of bringing the Hagstrom into your car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5031">TS</a>]

01:23:55   looking triple-a manual so if this stuff does come to become pervasive there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5035">TS</a>]

01:24:00   boring very benign uses of it that would eliminate yet another one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5040">TS</a>]

01:24:05   things that we can tell our kids that we used to have to look things up and ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5045">TS</a>]

01:24:08   to be like time people yet to go there rolodex to find someone's phone number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5048">TS</a>]

01:24:10   if they still no phone numbers are but I'm we're talking so I mostly get this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5050">TS</a>]

01:24:15   text comes up but I think people tried to dystopian things first I think those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:20   won't fly as well as something more utilitarian boring yeah I would agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:24   with that I should also mention that the idk in API with the in court location on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5064">TS</a>]

01:24:30   the iPhone 4 and iPad actually it does tell you a basic idea of whether or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5070">TS</a>]

01:24:37   you're close to any of the beacons you can see so that gives you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5077">TS</a>]

01:24:41   proximity of basically you're on top of it you're near it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5081">TS</a>]

01:24:45   you are far away from it or I can barely tell and the other very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5085">TS</a>]

01:24:50   thing about I began specifically is that you can actually have it have the VAIO S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5090">TS</a>]

01:24:56   start providing notification that you are within that region even if your app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5096">TS</a>]

01:25:02   isn't running and so for the nerds seal beacon region is a classic question and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5102">TS</a>]

01:25:08   there's a property notify interstate on display and it says when set to yes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5108">TS</a>]

01:25:12   location manager sends beacon notifications when the user turns on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5112">TS</a>]

01:25:15   display in the devices already inside the region these notifications are sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5115">TS</a>]

01:25:19   even if your app is not run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5119">TS</a>]

01:25:21   thing in that situation system watches shop in the background so can handle the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5121">TS</a>]

01:25:24   notifications which is actually extremely interesting to me because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5124">TS</a>]

01:25:28   can't think of a way in which you could with push notifications but are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5128">TS</a>]

01:25:34   ways Marco that you could just have your appt started arbitrarily in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5134">TS</a>]

01:25:37   background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5137">TS</a>]

01:25:37   back refreshed look for a particular like when you when you stumble into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5137">TS</a>]

01:25:44   spot i guess i mean you can do geofence tricks you could do like all the various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5144">TS</a>]

01:25:49   location-based API is now at the the major updates and regular updates and G [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5149">TS</a>]

01:25:54   offenses that but otherwise I don't think anything really reliable enough if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5154">TS</a>]

01:26:00   you wanted to do if you want to see this behavior with anything else you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5160">TS</a>]

01:26:03   couldn't really doing very well right now I just thought this was all very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5163">TS</a>]

01:26:06   interesting and something a little bit different that to my knowledge not a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5166">TS</a>]

01:26:11   of people have really been exploring and and I don't know how to explore that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5171">TS</a>]

01:26:16   a non retail sense because you need these physical devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5176">TS</a>]

01:26:20   beaming these Bluetooth packets in order to in order to do anything with I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5180">TS</a>]

01:26:24   deacons but I could see it being just really cool and really in really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5184">TS</a>]

01:26:28   interesting things coming from it and I agree john that there's a dystopian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5188">TS</a>]

01:26:31   version which is shaped eyes are on sale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5191">TS</a>]

01:26:34   hey I mentioned apples are on sale pots and pans are on sale or there's the cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5194">TS</a>]

01:26:37   version of hey let me tell you where we see that you're in such such location [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5197">TS</a>]

01:26:43   the museum if you'd like to look at the gallery of M cars in the BMW well where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5203">TS</a>]

01:26:47   you need to go upstairs and to the left or whatever the case may be and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5207">TS</a>]

01:26:51   think that would be really cool with a lot of this stuff reality kinda gets in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5211">TS</a>]

01:26:57   the way for me like I tend to adopt stuff very slowly in very late because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5217">TS</a>]

01:27:03   like I like I still use paper boarding passes the airport I still don't use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5223">TS</a>]

01:27:07   thing on your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5227">TS</a>]

01:27:09   the past books because usually there's there is some level of complexity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5229">TS</a>]

01:27:16   and fumbling and delay with technology that like you know if they're quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5236">TS</a>]

01:27:21   paper reducing all usually do it that way or if there's like some simple way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5241">TS</a>]

01:27:25   like I've been much more likely to look around the floor of the museum I'm at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5245">TS</a>]

01:27:31   for a directory or for a map that I am so I take out my phone and try that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5251">TS</a>]

01:27:36   like so often the stuff doesn't work right or like it's not worth the effort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5256">TS</a>]

01:27:40   to take your phone in your pocket unlock it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5260">TS</a>]

01:27:42   find the app funny thing and wait for it to connect drain your battery like to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5262">TS</a>]

01:27:47   there's all these little tiny costs that add up to make it kind of clunky and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5267">TS</a>]

01:27:53   many cases that I'm usually very skeptical of stuff and usually I i avoid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5273">TS</a>]

01:27:59   it for years after everyone else tries it and usually it dies out and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5279">TS</a>]

01:28:06   a problem and I i save myself the time of ever having tried it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5286">TS</a>]

01:28:10   museum thing I have a friend who works in museum and he had been four years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5290">TS</a>]

01:28:13   taking a bunch of old school like iPods I think even the ones of the wheels and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5293">TS</a>]

01:28:18   stuff and charging a bunch of them up and filling them with audio programs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5298">TS</a>]

01:28:22   that people would you know go use little scroll through like they were manually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5302">TS</a>]

01:28:25   making their own tour is as a sort of manually guided audio tour to you go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5305">TS</a>]

01:28:31   a certain section and museum rotate little wheel and here a little story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5311">TS</a>]

01:28:34   about something and and if people were going toi that especially museum patrons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5314">TS</a>]

01:28:38   would you like to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5318">TS</a>]

01:28:39   senior citizens and rich people like this would be a vast improvement if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5319">TS</a>]

01:28:47   can use these beacons and give a bunch of people iPod Touches because the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5327">TS</a>]

01:28:50   problem was trying to make something that was guided so that people didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5330">TS</a>]

01:28:53   have to manipulate the device and if you just walk up to something and little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5333">TS</a>]

01:28:56   thing in your hand starts playing it that's that's an improvement so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5336">TS</a>]

01:29:01   there's definitely small areas will also become influential it only it only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5341">TS</a>]

01:29:06   becomes really something that people regular people encounter if those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5346">TS</a>]

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01:32:52   TLDs not the technical aspect not whether there's a TLD that's perfectly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5572">TS</a>]

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01:33:00   com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5580">TS</a>]

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01:34:46   and maybe not hurt them all those accidental results you get on Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5686">TS</a>]

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01:37:26   register anything they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5846">TS</a>]

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01:39:30   sites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5970">TS</a>]

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01:39:51   obvious that there is no guiding authority here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/5991">TS</a>]

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01:42:57   like a candidate some delays like they weren't ready to start manufacturing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6177">TS</a>]

01:43:00   couldn't do it the name pair but surely but this point like it's almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6180">TS</a>]

01:43:03   some parts shortage or some other thing that's preventing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6183">TS</a>]

01:43:07   I think as far as I can tell the bomb that might be in tow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6187">TS</a>]

01:43:12   because if you try to buy these CPUs and not all of them but if you try to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6192">TS</a>]

01:43:17   like it should be a core you can't buy one like every whether a stock swap in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6197">TS</a>]

01:43:22   some ice Evans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6202">TS</a>]

01:43:24   to give the prices they don't tell anybody hey this is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6204">TS</a>]

01:43:27   single-threaded performance I don't know if they can't do that cuz of the PCI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6207">TS</a>]

01:43:30   Express yeah yeah yeah that's why I think the problem might be Intel but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6210">TS</a>]

01:43:37   also might just be like you know this is a brand new factory in a brand new place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6217">TS</a>]

01:43:41   at the brand new staff making a brand new product that they probably didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6221">TS</a>]

01:43:46   think was gonna sell massive volumes but it's a metal tube is it more complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6226">TS</a>]

01:43:50   to manufacture in an iPhone know but it but it's it's an experience like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6230">TS</a>]

01:43:57   like a new thing like they its new plant in austin doing this cooler is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6237">TS</a>]

01:44:01   awesome somewhere it's this new plant doing this crazy thing and you know with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6241">TS</a>]

01:44:05   all these you know just say it's lazy Americans I don't know I don't know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6245">TS</a>]

01:44:10   easy but it is americans as opposed to these places in asia who've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6250">TS</a>]

01:44:14   manufacturing things like this for a long long time and that massive volumes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6254">TS</a>]

01:44:18   whereas here we have a lot less of the infrastructure setup for that year I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6258">TS</a>]

01:44:23   like the parts shortage theory and secondarily a distant second to demand a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6263">TS</a>]

01:44:28   buddy prison believe its demand will hear about it and neither Apple tout it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6268">TS</a>]

01:44:32   and say well we sold put the new Mac Pro on sale the sales were way more than we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6272">TS</a>]

01:44:35   thought there would be no house phone number but I doubt they'll never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6275">TS</a>]

01:44:38   mentioned the number the other way to tell if you like on the earnings call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6278">TS</a>]

01:44:41   like Martin on max went up for somebody can calculate that and say like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6281">TS</a>]

01:44:46   could possibly be driving Martin's up in the Mac maybe the new Mac Pro sign in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6286">TS</a>]

01:44:51   huge numbers but parts shortages sure sounds like the most likely culprit yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6291">TS</a>]

01:44:55   if if I had to take my best guess I didn't tell the more it the more I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6295">TS</a>]

01:45:01   about this and look at what's coming and and my current setup the more I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6301">TS</a>]

01:45:06   that I should just that I should use this macro never comes in and honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6306">TS</a>]

01:45:12   if it doesn't come in in the next month I might be canceled and I mean just wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6312">TS</a>]

01:45:15   for next month's point you have to get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6315">TS</a>]

01:45:19   they've already invoice me the thing with the rare that where the starts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6319">TS</a>]

01:45:25   now I'm gonna have to call and make the move the date up whenever the AppleCare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6325">TS</a>]

01:45:30   delivered a month ago and so but yes I am definitely thinking with this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6330">TS</a>]

01:45:36   like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6336">TS</a>]

01:45:36   whenever the next Metro comes out with the the Haswell EP chips that will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6336">TS</a>]

01:45:42   like 10 15 percent faster single throw stuff I'll probably upgrade to that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6342">TS</a>]

01:45:48   myself and give this one to two for her upgrade at a family thing will make my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6348">TS</a>]

01:45:54   office much quieter people that share injustice cannot accept that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6354">TS</a>]

01:45:58   wanna game pc ISO somehow it's it's like it like a form of our against that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6358">TS</a>]

01:46:03   dont wanna again we just don't want I want different things to you can have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6363">TS</a>]

01:46:07   gaming PC I don't want it's not I don't think it say anything to get upset about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6367">TS</a>]

01:46:14   it was it just make it damn game rating get over yourself it's not I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6374">TS</a>]

01:46:18   getting over my don't think I'm too good for again I just don't want one is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6378">TS</a>]

01:46:21   thing I don't want you can wanted and you can get it but I don't want it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6381">TS</a>]

01:46:24   it doesn't get on the bus a better person than the other person if I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6384">TS</a>]

01:46:29   house where I could have a second computer setup then I would be much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6389">TS</a>]

01:46:34   interested in the game pc over there and then that coherent decide which place I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6394">TS</a>]

01:46:38   want to but which one but I don't have that i dont wanna KVM while enjoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6398">TS</a>]

01:46:42   getting KBM get over yourself I don't want to I just don't want an extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6402">TS</a>]

01:46:45   complexity of this everything I love the weakest rolled Casey into another Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6405">TS</a>]

01:46:51   Pro discussion is trying to bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6411">TS</a>]

01:46:54   arrives at his day of reckoning will come just hang of it did you see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6414">TS</a>]

01:47:07   picture of Emma underscore we had like the Backblaze mugging top of this macro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6427">TS</a>]

01:47:11   macro know that was actually that was a backless blog post but anyway you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6431">TS</a>]

01:47:21   find out if that coffee here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6441">TS</a>]

01:47:26   7,000 miles on that it would it would have been $7,000 of the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6446">TS</a>]

01:47:31   configuration but I felt bad about that I can do that here that's that's the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6451">TS</a>]

01:47:36   advantage that the Mac Pro probably doesn't have those little water detector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6456">TS</a>]

01:47:39   things inside the coffee coffee there are no you must be crazy for some reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6459">TS</a>]

01:47:46   it smells like really good coffee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ6TGIU/6466">TS</a>]