00:00:00 ◼ ► wanna put more bad music I have lots to choose from actually the high have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/0">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► nothing to complain about any more than music was fantastic I have something to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► complain about like turning on their their radio like top 40 radio in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/8">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► nineties that's not attractive thing about that idea pro I put that in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/12">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► just to make a second second run at this because after flashover talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/23">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► this and the after show and hearing it back I'm not sure I successfully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/28">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► communicate what I was trying to say was I listen to myself I don't think if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/32">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► didn't already know what I was thinking I would have understood myself as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/35">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► thought it start by asking you to see if you can summarize what I was trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/39">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► say about the iPad program when you fail to say what is in my head I will try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/42">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► clarify wow did that happen like a week ago and I i have some idea give it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/47">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► shot like what was it like like why does anyone ever on iPad 4 I'll try to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/59">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► you the reason why I think I larger more capable iPad is an inevitable thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/63">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► will happen someday try to explain why I think your reasoning for why it had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/67">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► be larger was that is that look as the OS gets more advanced and allows more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/73">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► advanced types of usage that you will have to at some point have some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/80">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► multiple window kind of arrangement or the possibility for multiple windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/85">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► whether it's split or you know whether it's like a fixed set up or or flexible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/89">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► set up but said it was something I was nearly about it has to get bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/93">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► because it will get more advanced and more advanced need more windows-based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/97">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► just like the secondary thing we ended up talking about what would be the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/101">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► thing I think I'll take a shot of here the meeting was trying to get a majority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/106">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► got back to it circled around back to it a little bit of the end but thinking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/113">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► it in terms of like in the days of the DAS days before the graphical user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/118">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► interface with aggressive graphical user interface came along it was clear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/123">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► you guys are better for people meaning that yeah the command line with unit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/127">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► sandoz and all the things that preceded is good and powerful you can get stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/133">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► done a lot of people can use it but overall you look at the good look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/136">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► command line say the GUI is better for people to use more people are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/140">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► be able to successfully use a computer with the go it's more pleasant to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/144">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► its easier and it was maybe you haven't lived his number the debates but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/147">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► were real debates about whether this whole Google thing is a useful idea over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/152">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► there's just some silly diversion what you mean we didn't live through this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/157">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► live through this you were you were very young maybe you're still fighting now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/160">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► but they don't like it we were alive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/165">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► you are alive they were also in preschool well no that's not true I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/167">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► well maybe 410 in 1984 we were barely human but I mean if you consider the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/172">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► both of us were were PC guys you know we we're around release I was using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/177">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► computers before Windows had really become a thing I remember using windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/182">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► three one thing he was a piece of crap because well it was a piece of crap and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/187">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► I remember slinging auto exact bat files like you couldn't even imagine and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/191">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► config sis files to figure out for which game and you to mountain which didn't so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/195">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► on and so forth you need to turn this into another retro podcast I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/200">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► saying I was around for the transition in my own way on a industry level but on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/203">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► a personal level when you were when you were that age they probably weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/208">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► thinking about what it means for the future of the industry you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/211">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► that done that type of other people who are writing articles in magazines about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/215">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► whether this was a good idea or not but in hindsight it's so clear movies are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/219">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► better for people right and there was a big debate about it and and took a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/223">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► time and eventually all computers all computers it goes I don't know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/227">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► not going to comment on my act like now the GUI you know the good took over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/230">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► because it's better for people to use iOS I think of in relation to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/234">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► regular Windows now spider-man use when piano [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/240">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► interface I think of iOS as not as big step for Macmillan degree certainly not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/243">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► but as another sort of discontinuity in that type of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/248">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► iOS and that have a touch interface is better for people and having a mouse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/251">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► windows and menu bars and right clicking and dachshunds test bars and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/256">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► stuff their regular Windows type interfaces their Mac type interfaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/261">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► used today I was better for people you see it yourself and like how much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/264">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► willing people are to use iPads and iPhones and all these technology devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/271">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► that people use that same people would be much more intimidated by like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/277">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► according to a real computer the good and again doesn't mean that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/281">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► traditional Windows menu point their interfaces going away for the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/285">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► we still have the command line today will you know for the similar period of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/290">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► time but in general the iOS interface touch interfaces are better for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/296">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► right and when I see that that makes me think there's no fighting against at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/301">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► interface is better for people like it will eventually become the most common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/305">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► way that people use computers if it isn't already if you can't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/309">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► smartphones computers and everything right and when I say that I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/311">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► can't be the thing that most people use for computing and remain as limited as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/317">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► as it is now because otherwise you know many people today continue to have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/322">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► use computers because they can't get what they want to get done on this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/327">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► thing and so my logic is the thing that's better for people to use here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/331">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► it's not quite good enough capable enough to subsume enough of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/336">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► functionality of things like 10 Windows Phone sucks you couldn't do it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/341">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► anything the things you can do on das Ohr use command-line we're not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/344">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► close to be possible in the GUI but eventually the GUI became good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/348">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► and subsumed enough of the functionality of the command line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/353">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► get the command line was relegated to a very small window in the same operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/355">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► system you know it's there it's Sarah we can use them we want to it's important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/360">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► for developers and stuff like that but a regular person who buys America's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/364">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► use the command line and some data be true violator radio version of iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/367">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► device doesn't have to use a Windows mouse pointer doing so it's just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/372">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► simple logical progression if that's going to be the progression it's silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/376">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► to think that this next thing that's better for people won't pass to become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/380">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► more capable and take on the mantle of the thing that it's replacing in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/384">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► respects that's that's what I was trying to get a bit and you can disagree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/389">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► that I guess you could say well I don't think I was is better enough or I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/393">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► think I was really better for people or I think I was will not have taken any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/397">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► the capabilities of the magnetic will stay exactly the way it is and I Russell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/402">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► has gone into the future and it does enough for people as it is but I see all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/405">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► the people who use a Mac every day and I'm like that's not the number of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/408">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► use the command line every day is really small the number of people you the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/412">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► everyday is humongous those people will want to move to the thing that's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/415">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► for people to the Iowa style touch interface eventually if that device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/420">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► becomes capable enough for them to do their work on it how many of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/425">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► people can you bring along how many people have to be stuck using a Mac was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/429">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► probably similar to the proportion of people who are stuck using my life is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/432">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► command-line everyday certain professions and contacts will require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/435">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► the use of a plain old go to the same way they require the use of a command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/440">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► line today but there's tons and tons more people who use a Mac whenever using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/443">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► command-line those people will be using something like a terrible type form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/448">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► factor that's much bigger and more capable many years in the future when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/452">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► becomes possible to do so so let me play devil's advocate for a second so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/455">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► everything you just said which sounds reasonable but everything you said is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/460">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► based upon an implied or stated assumption that the way that we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/466">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► touch interfaces and tablets now is better for people then the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/472">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► desktop and windows and everything else what if that's not the case so so here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/478">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► some things to consider so first of all there's a few things about a worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/483">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► I think we can pretty much all look around regular people and us and we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/489">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► see that text input is definitely worse on tablets that on laptops done clue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/494">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► that at all because there's no reason that you wouldn't have a hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/499">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► keyboard well okay so I like that I want to talk about mainly is a menubar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/502">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► windows with little window which assigns sliding around on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/509">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► you know clicking and right-clicking having a mouse instead of a finger like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/513">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► all that is what I'm getting at the text input it is a is an artifact of the form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/516">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► factor you know I mean like like that that the small tablet you expect to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/522">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► carry with you versus something would sit at your desk and I'm not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/526">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► people gonna tablet into walking around them if you are in designer some field [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/529">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► began abusing this feature thing I envisioned you having something as big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/533">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► as your mind about like laid down like an architect's drafting table with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/536">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► keyboard in front of it or something so that you can get your work done that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/540">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► well ok so let's say this comes true let's say you you have a keyboard text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/544">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► input to solve for you you have easy ways to reach the interface from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/552">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► keyboard and some kind of relatively ergonomic way so you know it wouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/557">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► like a taboo on a standard having to reach your hand up and touch the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/560">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► constantly so you have to address that somehow some kind of some kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/564">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► precision pointing of some sort more precision than a finger whether that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/568">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► pen whether it's a mouse whether a touchpad kind of thing whether it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/574">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► a giant touchscreens the tux targets are small enough relatively speaking that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/578">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► they can be precise who knows but it would have to be a stylist I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/581">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► imagine finding creative fields there people already using styles it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/585">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► ok so and I actually enjoyed the experience of being a panel that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/590">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► use one regularly but I do ms more but I think a stylist is a perfectly fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/594">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► solution of that if you know out of everything that we have so let's say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/598">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► you've added all this you have advanced which really get more work done whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/604">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► the reason why there's there's this this idea out there in people's heads that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/609">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► the iPad and everything is is easier for people whatever the reason why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/614">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► because it can support all that stuff it can't do complicated workflows and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/619">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► much more attention to speak of an and also the stuff and then what if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/624">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► process of adding those things to to enable people to cook get more work done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/629">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► on iOS makes it more like traditional PCs and therefore remove that hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/634">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► manage that it supposedly had by being so much easier and is it possible to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/640">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► all those things without having side effect and I'm not sure it is it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/645">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► the closeness of you know I was in the gap between the GUI and the Mac is huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/650">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► and the gap between the Mac and iOS is much smaller but I still think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/654">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► significant and in the case of the you know the command line to the GUI and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/659">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► with almost not possible to bring over enough command line stuff to negate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/666">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► adventure to go in Windows tried by basing it on das and by having you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/670">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► into das and having so many things to instill involving doesn't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/674">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► doubts underpinning for so long and how to get in your face and exposed to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/677">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► but that wasn't enough to kill them if you want to kill iOS you could do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/681">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► by bringing over all the bad things from the Mac but I think that you don't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/688">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► to bring over too many of them too many complexities from the Mac to make I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/692">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► more capable and I don't think anyone would make the crazy mistake of bringing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/697">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► over the worst things about them act like I don't think anyone would ever say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/700">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► I've got an idea one and we have a bunch of Windows on your iPad screen with tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/703">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► little widgets in the corner because if you ever seen anyone do with a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/707">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► overlapping windows it's just too much why don't you bring over the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/709">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► because we know how well people deal with navigating through folders and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/713">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► files when we just have a big house an expose on the iPad again I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/715">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► that would ruin it you're right but I don't think anyone would do that at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/719">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► least I don't think Apple would do it maybe it would do it if they are to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/722">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► it is possible to run it because it is close enough to close enough maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/729">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► not seem like a big you know our break for example bring over a mouse pointer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/733">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► and make use the mouse pointer for everything like that all the sudden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/738">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► things aren't responses such controls what are the uses happens expect you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/740">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► have a mouse pointer to work with the little window which said whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/743">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► I I don't think that Apple at least would be dumb enough to bring anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/747">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► that Apple has been very reticent to bring over any of the more powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/752">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► things and they bring it over very very slowly and there's just no way they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/755">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► going over those horrible things in the most adorable thing something about her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/759">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► things people don't want to deal with like sewing printer drivers like a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/762">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► from the ancient world but kinda party dress that with AirPrint saying we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/767">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► not doing the printer driver 3 anymore it's your problem or in a higher power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/771">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► to speak you deal with it which is going to get rid of printer drivers and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/774">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► filesystem I don't think I was going to bring that back you know dealing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/778">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► apps the old way I don't think that's coming back anyway as better deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/782">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► dealing with Windows Apple has to come up with something but I don't think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/786">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► would bring over plain old windows that would be pretty stupid so it's possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/789">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► to run it perhaps I'm like it isn't agrees case from the command line but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/794">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► think it's unlikely that they'll run it and I said last show the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/798">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► alternative is rather than making I was more capable wanted to make the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/802">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► simpler and I think it's easier to make I was more capable than it is to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/806">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► the Mac simpler especially since the complex's the Mac have to live on to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/811">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► some people will always need them the same way some people always knew the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/815">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► command line well but they are making the mac simpler mean isn't that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/818">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► things like gatekeeper and launch center pad thing whatever you call it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/822">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► what that's all about but you can't get rid of the overlapping windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/827">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► you can run on apple screen but just adds complexity as we talked about last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/830">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► time now you have yet another mode you have to worry about if you've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/835">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► people deal with the Windows screen doesn't help them because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/838">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► trapped in some oh they don't understand it's it's very difficult to take away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/841">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► complexity from the Mac to even get it to the close to the level of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/846">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► friendliness that I always has raised you add capabilities to iOS it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/850">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► remain friendly to the people who don't want those advanced abilities in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/854">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► same way that if you don't wanna enabled multitasking gestures that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/856">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► bother any people if you don't know how to get to the multitasking you can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/859">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► at home but you like the home screen every time it still works for you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/864">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► it's simple mode they've added capability without adding complexity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/866">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► taking a long-term like it gets tied up and there's nothing I think about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/871">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► gets tied up in like will Apple announces iPad with protein [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/875">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► the end of its name this year and will be bigger like who knows who cares I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/878">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► guess not what I'm talking about is no I'm not talking about an upcoming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/881">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► product or Apple's plans for the next year too or what Iowa State is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/884">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► be thinking long term and it and you're right market the entire thing is based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/890">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► on the premise that I was better for people and it's inevitable that many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/893">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► many more people who currently can't use iOS to or anything like iOS to do their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/897">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► job will have to be served by this better things like that's that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/902">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► tide that's coming because if there's a thing out there is better than better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/905">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► for people and people use it all the time and I think most people would agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/909">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► that using their phone or their iPad is better they'll want to use that to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/912">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► more stuff and that they can't label you know they'll want more capability out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/917">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► another assumption that might be worth questioning is whether whether iOS is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/922">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► simplicity today is overall easier for people because you know as we discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/927">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► last episode with the with the storage limits and when people hit their stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/934">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► limits and it's kind of crappy is to figure out where that's going and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/938">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► how to recover from that you know I was a simplicity a lot of times will create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/942">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► the question in people's minds of how do I do this or how do I fix this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/948">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► limitation and a lot of times the answer is you can't or it's so complicated that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/953">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► it's not even worth doing like simple things that on a computer might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/956">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► accomplished by drag-and-drop or by having you know hitting the open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/961">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► dialogue but none in an apt to open a file from somewhere else from some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/965">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► app stuff like that that people in attaching files to emails stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/969">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► people generally know how to do on computers you know after not that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/974">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► using a lot of those kinds of things are still even more complicated and iOS than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/977">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► they are on a computer because of its design because of its limitations you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/984">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► think more people be smart successful attaching a file to an email using a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/989">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► then they were doing the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/993">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► definitely no question no I don't think that's the case then I wish you can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/995">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► it from the email but I don't know if that's the way to think about it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/999">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► just because that's the way it works and desktop applications are used to it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► know I think people are just as likely to hold your finger on a picture is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► great but it could just as likely to figure out the holding down your finger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► on a picture or hitting the little share icon I mean they're still it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► completely intuitive but there I think it just like they do come to it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► that direction and the main problem with attaching an email MCA's drag-and-drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► forget the people who matter to people you can drag a little picture onto the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► just that's i think thats outside the realm of most people's experience they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► did not adequately little paper clip icon and when they could hold a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► paperclip icon whatever their mail application is they get an open save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► dialog box and then you're just talking that we'd like 50 50 whether I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► know what the hell to do with that on this baby hope that they know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► click on the link that takes into the desktop nothing up on the desktop is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► where all their files are because it's the one place I can use that the running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► out of space I think it's another thing with like there are limits their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► hardware limits tiny piece of hardware and when you run to those limits at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► point you like that's when the reality of the computer snacks the user in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► face and you can't do anything to protect them from me you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► infinite space on your device may be some super clever cloud thing and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► future could make it appear as if you have infinite space but you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► don't have internet like it's kind of like how multitasking makes it seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► you have internal memory there they're trying to help you out of memory please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► quit the application seeking launch tomorrow while the combination of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► virtual memory and you know explaining stuff is an iOS application that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► people not have to worry about whether an application is running or not or at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► least try to worry less about it when you run out of space if you've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► anyone run out of space in the Mac cristobal the Mac OS 10 behaves very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► very badly when you're out of disk space extremely badly freidy things happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► it's very easy to get into a situation where the OS can create another swap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► file and it seems like you're in tireless frozen and you get those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► warning dialog boxes before that the US will warn you are running out of space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► what do people do about that like best-case scenario of a randomly start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► trying to drag to the trash that's best case and this library folder that do i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► like it so they way they made it in visit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► able I got to really get into it Library folder and start going to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► preferences folder like I don't understand what this isn't there on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► application support and support that's best case at least iOS protects them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► from doing that but you run the hardware limits that's that's one of the hardest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► problems what do I do when all the space for stuff is filled with stuff whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► that be memory or flash based on whatever you know to go back a step I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► almost think that the attachment thing is a example of the iPad I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► should say I lesson general getting a little more strong as a poor choice of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► words a little better for power users and that's because your market said well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► there's no way to attach something from an email you actually can if you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► little context menu up and then maybe a different term for that and I West but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► the little black pop-up menu if you go like 35 levels deep in that past bold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► italics underline all that you can actually insert picture video believes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► that is the terminology used liberally yeah and you can copy and paste but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► can't there's actually a like button they're practically do that WoW I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► know exactly and that only came in the last one or two versions of iOS I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► people who like Groupon smartphones though it's more natural for them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► start from the picture that they want to send to somebody and then ok send this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► picture to sue instead of sight from the email application computer message to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► sue and then insert the picture I gets totally a desktop computer users mindset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► it it absolutely is and as someone who grew up on a desktop computer that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► what up until whenever it wasn't that they added this feature every time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► wanted to send a picture to someone I'm just so hard wired to start an email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► sent it to Aaron let's say and then wrap I gotta start from photos and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► gotta leave my email start from photos and lost my email that I've written a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► must I copy and paste etcetera etcetera and so once I discovered that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► actually kick off the picture chooser picture and video chooser from within an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► email that actually helped me a lot because I'm so hard wired that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► internal mental workflow is to start the email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► and then go get the attachment I think the most likely scenario for what I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► described the iPad proud not coming to pass is that it turns out that for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► people who are currently using Macs and Mac like systems to get their work done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► iOS the advantages of iOS are not compelling enough to make them leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► behind all the things that annoy them like that they would prefer to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► iowa's they do prefer sitting on the counter their iPad in like browsing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► through the web and their off time or whatever but all of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► annoy them about the Mac and multiple windows and in with multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► applications and dealing with low 50 things you don't deal with an iOS don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► annoy them enough to be willing to put up with what is the inevitable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► transition period when it is not quite capable enough and like there's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► the middle period where who's gonna be the first person to try to get their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► work done and I always do you kind of see it now at the people bravely trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► to use an iPad when they should just be using a MacBook Air just for the novelty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► factor of it but that's a very small scale large-scale you need to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1316">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► people who were using their computers like they do for the good people use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► their computer real work with there are some people have to say I'm actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► gonna try this Windows thing this Mac thing even though I'm not even sure how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► only be able to get my job done because I do everything in physical available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► and I'll try this new Excel thing and maybe that'll work out I'm not sure so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► that that transition period could prevent iowa's type interfaces from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► taking the mantle the personal computer in our lifetime that's not i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► most likely Sarah for not happening you know I can't help but wonder if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► three of us are participating in one long troll of the teaching in this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► what he is like an outlier if you're like me you're living right about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► technology and all those people who keep trying to do it like out see what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► like to do my work I do I need a laptop on the new leave the house without a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► laptop and just take my iPad and see how it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► we're all trying to experiment to varying degrees if you have a laptop and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► iPad sometimes you might just take the iPad to see how that goes and you learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► whether it works or not and why it doesn't or does but I'm thinking of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► the people who just spent all day at work in front of a computer and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1385">TS</a>]
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00:24:29 ◼ ► you can download and host yourself and your own service if you want to or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1469">TS</a>]
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00:25:20 ◼ ► know I have to say that somebody in the chapter 22 speared out that Sool Sool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► peen and whatever they said max will be armed within the next five years it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► logical next and as someone who relies on a Windows me I'm in order to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► their job done on a Mac I surely hope not know or I hope that I could switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► my career into a different into a different segment because it if unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► I'm missing something if mexico arm that's going to make virtualizing x86 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► really stinky just like they used to be before Max were in town so I'm just came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► out with their work and their new server platform Minnesota defying the platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► for the data center trying to make a common platform for arm style you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► personal computers more or less I don't think that you know if you wait long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► enough in theory if the arm destroys everything comes to pass then the Mac be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► the last thing the switch to our member that point everything is running arm of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► the dataset is running armband all your servers are running armband personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► computers around the next morning I was a UB virtualizing like Linux on arms and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► Windows on arm inside your virtual machine on arm and everything would work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► out but yeah you don't wanna be the first one to go there and have everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► else on x86 and then you lose you lose your ability to do that virtualization I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► mean I'm like I think what I realize why versions of Windows cause I have to her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► stupid work things cause I still use windows and that is that it actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► legitimate concern about the future of computing apple doesn't want that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► business the business being selling your company like their mail server and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► Google kind of wants it they want them to use like Google Apps but it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► difference between having your own software then doing everything through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► the cloud especially Google's glad I'm not even sure that's a good fit so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► cool is it a good fit for that business Apple doesn't want that business who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► gets their business and if the answer is Microsoft keep it forever then maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► will forever be stuck running Windows nvm so we can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► works email thing because I don't know yet but that would be so much slower I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► got on that I remember even as a non Mac person I remember many many many years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► ago that you could get some sort of card that was basically a PC on an expansion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► card and you could virtualized within last 7 89 on even know by using this PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► on an expansion card you would know more about this do you think about 46 on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► card to use them for the Mac else even see could run like Windows software on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► your education computers inside your school I know the cards are talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► about the better now if you like virtual PC which was you would emulate x86 on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► the power PC and it would barely sort of but it was super slow and that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► why my lovely Mac Pro is a dream machine runs everything natively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► UNIX Mac and Windows one of the reasons why the Intel switch was so easy for Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► owners for the most part is because switching to Intel came with a massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► performance boost also and so and so when when combined with be awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► emulation by Rosetta it was it was almost penalty-free to emulate stuff on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► Intel or PowerPC if we went to arm though I don't we wouldn't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► kind of headroom in all likelihood we would probably be taking a step down in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► CPU performance at that point and so it would be really inconvenient to have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► architect change that did not come with a giant performance boost also where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► you'd you'd have to emulate this stuff to some degree if you wanted to run it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► and it would it would not be pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► if you wanted a big boost like the reason Apple got the degreaser going as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► a six two things one their past CPU vendor stopped making them good CPUs so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► I stuck with the GeForce in the in the power box because IBM wouldn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► anything better to go in there and and even on the g5 IBM's you know what Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► said there were any of the three guards in the year whatever whether IBM said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► that or not they sure as hell didn't and we were stuck with the g5 for way too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► long and it was an improvement so you have to have the superior on stagnate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► and doesn't seem like that's going to happen if we stand x86 like that it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► there be a pure win x86 stagnates doesn't seem like that's anywhere near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► second thing is not only that the CPU apples on stagnate the CPU they moved to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► you got out of a Rutgers the CPU they're gonna move to was like in the network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► architecture of his craft and apple has sold on x86 by i buy intel showing them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► look here's the core architecture and trust us is gonna be awesome and lo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► behold the core architecture was awesome so that's a combination of two factors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► are almost certainly is not going to exist again where the CPU Apple is using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► stagnates and gets crappy and the CBO they're gonna jump to make the huge leap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► over where it was because it's not like Apple switched from you know the awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► newly introduced you know PowerPC g5 jus the Pentium 4 like that would not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► given them and giant boosting performance the chief I was reasonably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► competitive with contemporaries but when they did make the switch that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► you're right they were able to hide the Rosetta things under the carpet of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► this two-sided advantage to make it so that they could do a Power PC software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► included a reasonable speed let me ask you both and I have a feeling it this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► a future her poor audience for this question but would you trade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► somewhat significant in performance especially when virtual assets assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► that non virtualized performance is roughly on par with virtualized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► performance crummy would you trade that in favor of dramatically improved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► battery life and I'm making this up at you know arm tends to be a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► more power struggles let's say that phantom MacBook Air that runs on ARM has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► twice the battery life of whatever the modern Intel MacBook Airs battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► is so thirty hours instead of 15 10 seriously I mean let's just suppose as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► fun thought experiment would you trade would you make that trade even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► Windows virtualization or any any ball anything you know x86 virtualization is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► let's start with you john I don't think that that's a that's a hypothetical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► scenario that will never come to pass because I don't believe that armed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► the performance of intel and offer double the power efficiency and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► fair and even even if harmless fad by and I don't think you do that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► as if intel has a easy doubling of you know it's like a g6 is worth killing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► your performance you get twice the performance of the overhead of x86 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► crummy as it is is not you know 50% reduction so I don't think that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► ever happen and i also think that Intel's already good enough that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► once you get your battery life into the long enough to last the entire waking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► time of human 15 hour battery life on a MacBook Air granted then I read that yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► it's going to take it when they go right now but I think intel is already in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► ballpark so I don't think they can that will ever be offered and if they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► offer it I personally wouldn't take it because I would like a kiss would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► battery life is already all day long enough and it's only going to get better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► by small increments I give me the speed please you know what I'm like speed so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► would not personally take that and i also dont think they could ever offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► that that's what about you marker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► larious they are asking us to two people who not only want speed but hardly ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► use laptops I that's exactly why I knew this audience was not the right audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► alright so I mean for me i think you know i i wouldn't be that excited about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► such a product because I'm not currently having battery life laptop issues that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► the modern laptops especially if I'm gonna go buy a new one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► the new ones have been better battery life and the ones I've had before and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► even the new Intel ones are really just awesome and they're gonna they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► only going to get better as we go through more process shrinks them or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► more like circuit shut off technology steps and stuff like that it's only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► gonna get better so I it's not really a problem that I have that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► already I have an awesome laptop that's two years old or new year and a half old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► that is awesome and has great battery life and it's it's never a problem for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► me I never have not enough battery left my laptop for what I need one you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► when I am using it full time so that's not really early for me I think you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► you can maybe judge the market for such a thing by how many people are walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► around all day with with dead MacBook Air batteries basically the MacBook Air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► 11 inch where there's not nearly enough room in there for a big battery so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► think if you're walking around with an 11 inch MacBook Air and your batteries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► over 25 percent and dying you gotta stop using your computer to plug in for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► while then you're the market for the sort of things you actually really need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► that you're pushing the boundaries but as as the boundary keeps getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► expanded to have you know six hour battery life and are better left 12 hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► battery life we keep pushing us forward but pretty impressive margin over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► last few years so I think the need for making a dramatic battery from proven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► and laptop is is shrinking certainly you can you can imagine some uses for it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► I don't think it's a mass-market use anymore if the 11 inch air I think if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► you had Broadwell and low-temperature polysilicon or whatever that is the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► energy-efficient LCD Broadwell plus the better LCD would give you acceptable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► battery life YouTube you'd be up to the point where I don't think many will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► walking around with a dead battery in their care anymore and that's like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► like next generation you know a year or two from now it's not like way over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► horizon so the window for when armed would make any sort of sensor battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► purposes has to be closing but there was a CKC your laptop guy you make the trade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► you just offered it depends on whether or not I'm still using Windows almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► and if not I probably would assuming that the performance penalty was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► egregious which is funny because to be honest I accepting going to and from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► work I for the most part treat my laptops like that stops well my personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► MacBook Pro which is unusable because as a platter hard drive is effectively a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► desktop my work MacBook Pro like I said other than moving it to in from home I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► generally speaking just treated as a desktop and so it's kind of hypocritical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► of me to say that yes i'd love tremendously more battery life but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► considered that this is a a prereq 2011 MacBook Pro so I only get three maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► four hours tops of battery life as it is and it has dual GPUs anytime I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► VMware Fusion running that absolutely toast my batteries so I'm coming from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► place of soreness if if that makes sense but I would make that trade if I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► need to worry about virtualization and the performance penalty was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► absolutely egregious I would love to have a laptop with wherein I didn't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► to worry about the battery effort and actually we need to buy a new laptop and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► you'll have that the current system like the the retinas have insane battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► I know they do and we're issuing those at work now but i wanna three-year cycle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► i think im on year one and a half who cares you're you're famous you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► somewhat that I've heard that I've heard that our work as an eighteen-month cycle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► and my Mac on my desk is like five years old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► exactly can you maybe trade that credit for Casey I'm saving that credit to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2213">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► trade up to a fancy iMac when the time comes but I'm not ready to give it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► yet but it's funny because I upgraded my iPad situation from a 3rd gen retina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► full-size iPad 2 iPad retina iPad Mini and I don't know if I I wouldn't say I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► in but I don't know if it's just my particular iPad Mini but I feel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► battery life is not nearly as good as the retina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► pad and certainly not as good as my original iPad and I find that to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► really frustrating and end this is the world's biggest first-person problem but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► I don't know I feel like I'm charging my my iPad a lot more these days and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► it kind of puts us fear in me it's the same reason I don't put the battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► percentage of my phone cuz I know if I see it dropped 2% I'm gonna start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► stressing about it come to think of it I should turn it off on my iPad but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► nevertheless I i feel like im getting to the same point with my iPad as I do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► my computer where from without an outlet for more than a couple hours I start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► freaking out and and I bring this up because even what is probably a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► small difference in battery life in this new iPad has created an unreasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► amount of stress in my world which probably says a lot of help me as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► person but you know having a lot more battery life in my laptop would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► really tremendous I think you guys are completely right that perhaps just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► brand new laptop today would be enough but the thought of an armed laptop that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► that's enticing he was also at the massive game that we had with has well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► in the last cycle that did not that was not part of it I shrink so what when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► they when they do a process shrink with Broadwell this coming fall or whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► that supposed to happen to him delayed but probably no late this year abroad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► will shrink and maybe even better I mean like that my at another hour if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2335">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► a 13 14 hour battery do you think that would relieve your stress and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► like you know this is like the BS battery specs that we used to hear back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► in the day like all the tests back this up and will reduce usage backed up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► you know if they if they say 12 hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► undervalued probably get ten yeah it's pretty it's pretty good pretty close to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► what they say you know I do you think like how how far do you think you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► need to go for you to have that stress relieved or you always have that stress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► because you grew up with very scarce battery is like a laptop battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► absolutely right and I think to some degree I always I will always have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► stress but I think this is gonna take all the wind out of my home sales but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► think if I had complete confidence that under whatever you define as regular use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► whatever I defined as regular use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► I could go an entire work day like an eight to 10 hour work day without even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2395">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► thinking about whether or not I need to plug in that would be enough to make me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► happy and end the way it is right now I absolutely cannot do that even without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► VMware Fusion running and kicking on the discrete CPU I would probably only be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► ish and so to be able to go a whole entire work day without even blinking an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► eye and if I leave my power adapter home a while that would be that would be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► liberating for Broadwell them because even with the current crop you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► make it through most of the work day if you're nice to VMware but like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► include like 12 hours you're not going to make it working hard you'll come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► close and you have much less stress and if you just plug them in your backyard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► escorted away from Broadwell to get you into that type of thing where you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► not have a charger work not bring a charge from home and still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2446">TS</a>]
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00:40:53 ◼ ► VMware too much have you considered solve his problem spending 80 bucks on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► second power adapter and just leaving it at work I do I do I absolutely do I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► one power adapter at my desk at home and one at work and the real cure to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► or the real secret to happiness is having an additional one of my laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► bag so I never have to move the network to the one at home but i dont transport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► the power adapter to and from work but nevertheless I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► I wish I didn't have to even think about it and to go back just one quick second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► a lot of people in the chatter seeing what the reason your iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► iPad's battery life sucks cuz you're using it more and that very well could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► be but I feel like the battery drops the battery percentage drops quicker than I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► remembered having done and another iPad they should have made them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► many thicker her they didn't buy some tiny amount of forget how much but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► like imperceptibly thicker but the iPad 3 was perceptively thicker than the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► 2 and so when the many when written in order to get the symbol you know to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► to maintain battery life they probably should have made the many larger than it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► currently is more battery in and then I think you would have been a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► happy with it I would also check as you also got to the same around the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► time as I was seven and background apps I would check this background that doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► something stupid that you're not aware of and also to delete is off I will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► that but you could be run background apps I don't think after my head I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► think there are any that are on there that would be running other than you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► know I was just picking on general what I mean is that it's not like pot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2540">TS</a>]
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00:45:43 ◼ ► again I would be happy with that actually have a gold sure no I don t [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► shirt but it is believed that was my gift for you put up for sale by thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2751">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► John see your gift was the opportunity to buy a special show you would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► it's a gift of the number of people email me and said you should still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► answer is no doubt hypocritically wrote a post about the 30th anniversary the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► Mac yeah I should have put that in my account I knew was coming up like three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► or four days at a time like I should write something about that and I tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► to write something about it when i when I started writing it into being exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► the same thing is what I wrote when Steve Jobs died because I guess 2222 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► Steve Jobs in the Mac much more so than i think most people who came to Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► stuff later so you had to put the shots not that exciting the reason I put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► there was because it was doing a podcast but they were collecting short like five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► minute remembrances from people who use the neck but it wasn't like a live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► podcast with the people they want us to pre-record stuff and I'm terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► recording things and that's all I had to bail I couldn't do but I did think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► something I want to say about the original that can after hearing Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► caresses Mac new business on the talk show I figured that was the most epic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► troll to you know now there's lots of people that lots of people will care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► actually friend of the show was not happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► yeah and he's like your age maybe he doesn't know how old he really is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► it's the beard he hiding so here's my here's my brief little remembers thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► was gonna do from a car but didn't know about the original Mac I think it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► be good for young people into thinking I was going to say that I remembered about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► the Mack III original Mac in 1884 was what it was like to walk up to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► computer and turn it on which sounds weird but they could have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► foundation or not we'll find out so the power button on the Mac was on the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► and use your left hand to reach the back of the computer inflicted it was a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► rocker switch that tilted up and down and the Mac itself is very upright and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► people must know what kind of like a vertical rectangle in front of you with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► a little square screen near the top seed to reach around the back left side and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► flip the switch and it was a big mechanical flick a switch like you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► see like a seventies mixing board something this is not some tiny little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► button you know a circle with the little power symbol on the depresses three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► millimeters in this was a big switch that made a noise you flip that switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► the CRD c'mon you think made a beeping noise in the startup beep pretty loud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► not like cool court music but a beeping noise and the reason this motion of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► walking up to this vertical computer reaching around behind flicking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► switch and sitting down the chair at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► sticks in my mind is because you did it so often you didn't put the computer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► sleep there was no sleep for the computer you didn't leave it on all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► time because that would be crazy if you like leaving your TV on all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► line all the time when you want to use the computer you walked up to you turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► it on and used it and boot up and take forever to boot up off the floppy disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► and you know you do whatever you can do with the computer and the second reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► that powers the power switch things on my mind was because when you're done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► using the computer you reach certain the back of it and you turn the power switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► off right in the middle of what you know there's no there was no shutdown command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► at the bottom of what was then the special mania no shutdown nothing there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► when you were done using a computer you turn it off and we'd like to think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► the computers are using today are just like fancy versions of the Mac that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► back then I go to do it in the menu bar something users in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► you know file added you know the special menus gone but like the Apple menu is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► the corner of the head windows with wages and resizing that's crossing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► same thing right but the incredible distance between that and now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► represented by like how he treated a computer be treated like you treat the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► television set when you want to use you turn on when you want to use a you turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► it off there was no software interconnect preventing you from telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► you when it was safe to turn it off or preventing you from turning and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2997">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► oftentimes you back in time you are now holding the power button for 10 seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► like it gets hard frozen or whatever but clearly that power button is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► mechanical interconnected you know the computer had no control over you flip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► that switch electricity stops flowing to the computer that was it and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► turned on electricity start and so that is my one of my lasting memories of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► computer that I think most people who are not around back then using Peters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► can't relate to become a bit like I turn on my comp Commodore 64 that way that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► how you might argue that I use many innocent people I think like to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► that using their current PlayStation stuff not knowing those buttons are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► software buttons to just tell them to shut down because you can't turn off a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► real game console like that without consequences most of the time but back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► then it was just it was a good computer that looks like what we have today but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► it behave like a toaster flip the switch on you flip the switch off that I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► not know that that seems really wild to me oh and also there were no lights no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► indicator lights telling you drive activity on this PC is used it for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► long time pieces were still like that you like how do I know when I can push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► the eject button to get the discount I'll wait for the laptop is done but no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► one will blink blink like I was crazy making as well no light on the front of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► the Mac so how did you know like what if you were what if it was in the middle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► writing data to a floppy disk turned off while you probably just hoster so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► was the case but like there was no light I guess because they wouldn't have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► stupid things like there was no eject button because they wanted the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► to control that you still had to unmounted Escanaba drag it to the trash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► reading injector whatever and it would safely ejecting the disc but when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► presumably you're not in the middle of saving and you know don't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► outstanding stuff you just reach beyond hit the switch that was the best thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► is that wonderful an intuitive design right from the start of 0 to eject a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► disc you do the same thing you do when you want to delete data here is the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► thing about that person that was a shortcut like the way you do is you at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► the same way you would do anything you selected and then select an item from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► the menu is like that you'd select the now and then select the verb for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3116">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► menu so there was an injector thing you could get a discount but the best was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► there was only one floppy drive and you couldn't get much done with 1 408 floppy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► you could inject the system disk that you booted from and they would remain on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► the desktop is a great out floppy disk icon and then you would put in say your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► MAC Paint disc application on a separatists put that in the back pain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► would appear on your desktop as little as I can but not great out and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► you know launch back pain it's an honor to ask you about this back and forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► eventually get to the point where the system disk is back in you've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► great icon of the neck pain is gone there and make painful but this is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► your hand right then you would drag the ghostly image of the neck pain floppy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► disk to the trash and nothing would inject discount the disc with just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► ghost disk would disappear with a very strange metaphor for what am i throwing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► out here I'm not ejecting the disc is in my hand up the full image in the image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► does disappeared that i erase everything on the disc but how could I ever reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► everything just gets in my hand but nothing you directed so I was injecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3177">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► very very confusing of course I made totally intuitive sense to you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► eight-year-old nine year old me because like a thing you learned of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► ghost images work for discuss yeah kids dont question but it was very strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► and the terrible illness of of the the disc and new virtual disk and goes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► disk image kind of metaphor continues to this day when you still have max offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► those look great out but yeah you like where's the desk is it was like what i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► saying is the image of disk disk images entirely different thing that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► you're talking about this whole thing with Mike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► complicating the disc metaphor yeah it's late that's that's it was one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► weirdest things but imagine the thank God they've mostly dodged it now at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► App Store by pushing people to do that as the as the installation method but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3233">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► years at least 10 years right so for a decade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► like the way to install software on a Mac beautiful I tell your parents are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► you down on this disc image amounts it's a virtual does it on a real kiss you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► look for the discs are in the computer and find this fake disc is downloaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► don't running from there though you get a movement to your real disk and eject [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► the fake does nothing will actually just my computer and then you go to delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► this file represents us take this win this game it is existed before I stand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► before us 10 the way most software is distributed putting stuff adore you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► expose yourself as a resource for a short period of time or any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► compressed file format and what you would get when you decompress that is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► you're lucky you get an application if you're unlucky you get installer there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► was a series of bad installers doing their installer thing but yeah probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► disk images is not so much that the controversial disk image but the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► concept of mounting on demand and discs with their virtual disks real disunited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► mounting and unmounting is beyond the can of regular people well you see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► but it's actually beyond a lot of people so this past Friday I was at a work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► meeting and it was all of the developers at my office which is only in 10 to 15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► of us I'd say and developer that that doesn't typically use a Mac ended up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► using my bosses Mac in order to do a quick power point presentation and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► also involved using Safari or Chrome web browser of choice was in order to show a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► few things that he had worked on Jan firstly he had a really hard time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► figuring out how to scroll because there was no scroll bar which in and of itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► I thought was kinda funny but made sense I mean I can't fault him for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► secondly he fell under the same trap that Aaron falls under any time she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► which is it for most power users after assume that they have hot corners and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► they have gestures set up and if you're not familiar news to that it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3356">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► off-putting because you do you feel like you haven't touched anything and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► suddenly random crap happens it makes no sense anyways the reason I bring this up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► is because he had had his presentation on a USB key and when he was all done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► what did he do you wanna take a guess john yang Tao like they do in the movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► just like they do with windows and just like they do in the movies and so he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► just yank that bad boy out of course instantly my bosses macros whoa whoa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► whoa whoa didn't you do not amount that bad why I'm even know what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► with that thing and it was it was interesting to me because jokes aside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► here someone who writes code for a living and he knows what he's doing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► because he's not familiar with OS 10 didn't even cross his mind to unmount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► the the USB key why would you think the thing I like you on Windows right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► and so it was just interesting to me even on Windows like you might dance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► which is why so many USB keys have little lights on them because you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► you get on a Windows but if you hang it out in the middle when the little light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► is blinking your USB keys now has garbage on it so congratulations which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► by the way when I first got my Mac my first Mac and I think was 2010 one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► the things that I found extremely disconcerting was there were no hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► drive lights or anything like that and to this day I still have ISTAT menu is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► running constantly I don't have a chilling hard drive activity but I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► have it showing throughput through my network card and CPU load because I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► I can I don't know why but I feel that you're one of those people who would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► have bought in the back of a day there was a program for the Mac called disc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► light that we put a little blinking black and white thing in your little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► black-and-white menu bar to make it's not actually about disk usage but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► bothers me if something is happening slowly which to be fair on my work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► MacBook Pro with its SSD is not terribly often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3476">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► but if something's happening slowly or if my jet plane I mean my fans are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► spinning I wanna know why in so I run ISTAT menus which is absolutely the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► 30 or so dollars are spent a long time I look at my little menu widget whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► that thing is called and I see my CPU usage right there and if I click on it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► can see the top 50 most expensive processes and and I don't know it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► freaks me out not having that there and I keep telling myself to get rid of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► like for example I've gotten Renault don't well and I've got rid of my memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► meter but I still have CPU and I still have internet through you should get rid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► of it because it's kind of the quantum uncertainty principle of computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► performance that by observing it you are necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► behavior and I always wonder how much and I'll three and by observing I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► leave Activity Monitor open-air only top running in a terminal window and run the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► ISTAT menu things unless I'm curious if I'm curious about something it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► turning on all the instruments are running in a running instruments in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► Xcode sometimes you want to fire up to see the people who run it all day every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► ok well tell you what I suppose you're buying a new Mac Pro what CPU do you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► a laptop so careful desktops laptops do you do you get a 13 inch with only a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► dual core do you go fifteen-inch with a quad-core laptop already getting out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► that I would want a more powerful computer no I'm sick so I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► running ISTAT menu is also forever I ran there were some other thing that did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► same thing before that it was worse than the news and I don't ask me for five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► years ago by now and I've been running for a while and just like Casey I used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► to have the the hard drive indicator on there I was just as easily removed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► because it was pointless at that point but I I still have the CPU in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► network ones are the network once first of all very useful if you want to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► like my currently uploading tons of stuff on podcasting that's bad and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► can go check our Dropbox check back please and in the CPU meter is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► because it gives you an idea of how much CPU power you're actually using with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► and where you're heading bottlenecks and what kind of bottlenecks you're heading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► so that you can make intelligent decisions about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► upgrade and then what to buy off your next computer I still think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► activity you could do and you're curious about that when your computer is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► take a look at why it's slow when you're interested in and whether this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► application takes advantage of how many cars fire it up but it don't think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► need to run all day is now looking at it all day it's mostly just in the corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► animating distracting your idea not looking at it to gain information from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► during that time I glanced at a lot that's another reason to get rid of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► it's like looking at it like looking at the time on the clock and look up just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► take the clock way considering what you doing and i'm looking at the clock I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► think basically whenever whenever I'm being made to wait for something at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► my computer usually I will glance that to see like Mr Nice Guy CPU before I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3655">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► a disc that it helps a lot to know what what your performance needs are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► generally speaking so I I know now how much of my stuff is going to benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► from having more course and how much of it isn't and how much of a benefit to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► having like one super fast core rather than you know more cores that are slower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► the guy I have a good idea of what I need because this for years and because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► it's it's always running and so it's kind of glance up there so I I know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► much stuff behaves in and what needs actually are whereas if you don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► this kind of thing you're kind of buying blind or you need your computer slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► with its ok I guess I'll add some RAM or something but you don't really know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► is slow because of XY or Z and you're kind of guessing I don't know how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► conclusions you get from just looking at that was it like my computer is slow I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► diving and i got right either go to the command line usage FSU's agency for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► and my not as fun but I know I just know oh there's a lot of i/o going on how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► many cops are there and activity monitor what is the data throughput I wanna know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► who is using the houses and what are they doing with it what files of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► out of ice that's why I want like the usage but the white output for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► filesystem type to get that information you not get that from my statement I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► the main reason both your ice time he was it's probably the only reason you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► should run ISTAT menu is because you like blinking lights and pretty things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► and that's that's a reasonably legitimate reason to like a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► people running for example transparent terminal windows which make things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► their terminal window is harder to read but I liked it cause it looks cool see I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► disagree I really do think that I i everything Marquez said I was shaking my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► head yes in that if there's any delay on my computer particularly might my asst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► MacBook Pro I'm looking at that CPU meter to see what's going on and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► there's a spike that I don't expect then darn it on a click on that CPU meter to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► see what the top processes are and if airmail or if CrashPlan is going berserk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► and then I need to investigate why that is and additionally that's why to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► back in the episode that's why I said I would probably trade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► less powerful Mac for a map for one that has a much better battery battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► actually would Mavericks came out I did crank back the update frequency from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► like one second that but anyway the reason I'm so willing to make that trade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► is because I know generally speaking my CPU usage really isn't that much now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► when I a VMware running ok then it's not too awesome in in that I'm using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► probably a third of my CPU all the time but accepting when VMware's running most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► of the crap I do my computer I really don't need a very powerful CPU force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► that's why I think I would be willing to make that trade and that's why I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► marco was onto something with it gives you some kind of passive feedback on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► where you're bottlenecks are and if you're burning power unnecessarily like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► if you have a fork or machine and you got some runaway process burning a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► hundred percent of the time they get stuck on something you might you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► not notice that four days because it's it's really affecting you at all and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► that time then your battery life is getting worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► your sis morning a little bit too warm for the fans are running a little too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► fast if it's a process that's that's running log files like I had this weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► problem LA times I don't know if the hijacking set up with his wife's dream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► and I just problem recently where iTunes agent some some kind of iTunes Arab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► airport agent crashes repeatedly in the background and it burns up a CPU for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► while and as it's doing this it's it's dumping tons of crap to the console log [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► like hundreds of megabytes of texts to the console and the only way I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► really tell you about looking up there and seeing oh there's that courts been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► running for a while I wonder what it's doing and clicking the icon is chosen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► ones doing or my terminal to start taking forever to reach the login prompt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► and then go to the directory and find the back into the does that but like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► you don't see if you can't see those kind of indicators like if I didn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► turmoil for a while that would take days and I and i wouldn't notice it I'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► sitting here burning power and running too hot and filling up my dismay of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► crap not even noticing but the difference between you and I Mark Owen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► and john is that we are not one with our machine like he is he can feel the menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► meters what it was called many meters if you don't notice that something is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► taking an entire course you don't notice that something is dumping a hundred megs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► do your thing then it's probably actually not a problem I know it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► problem that you shouldn't be doing that but like I I'm mostly content to wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► until my machine is not performing the way I think it is investigating why that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► vs if something like that happened and like accurate itself or just never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► noticed it again I'm not using a laptop on plugged in I don't notice the fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3956">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► going up I don't notice you know maybe I'm using slightly more power or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► whatever but I think for me if something was made up of hundreds I would notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► that and I would go and investigate like that you don't have an SSD it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► definitely be here the hard drive going to take things there many things that go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► off and you don't notice and I'm perfectly content to let them let them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► be below my notice if the only reason I would notice them is because of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► that you know I'm going to StatCounter thing then thats like drawing my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► attention unnecessarily right like intellectually yes I would like to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► that thing is crashing and see if I can investigated do something about it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► practically speaking if I would not notice if it wasn't if it was not for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► I just as soon not notice it does your laptop that's very true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► the laptop I would say at least at least just like decrease the upgrade frequency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► like everyone second is too much I really hope that people make iced out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4015">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► menus get religion about the the Mavericks power saving South because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► you're gonna make it happen like that they're probably a lot of things you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► do to your app itself to make it more power efficient even if the same update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► frequency know usually Django its BGAN geo I believe I'm probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► mispronouncing it I'm sorry but they're usually pretty pretty on the ball with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► with getting the latest I don't want to say transit sounds dismissive but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► but getting those newest features supported yeah they're pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► citizens on the platforms that's that's a much better way for hey do we have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► other new sponsors this week by chance we have one more new sponsor this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► it is our friends at cards against humanity 2008 what ya cards against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► humanity it that awesome game that you and I have played and it's fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► it's possible according to many but they asked us not to read an ad and to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► enjoy the show with that that was it the whole thing is I'm not at all surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4074">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► by this but that's ridiculous they anyway they didn't ask us to tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► but its cards against humanity dot com they're just awesome thanks a lot to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► guard against humanity that that was a big moment I been so excited for them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► maybe possibly Monday sponsorship and that's what they decide to do I'm both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► like a little sad and overwhelmed with happiness it's pretty awesome thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► yeah we should play that we should do that on there sometime that'd be yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► well we might lose our clean rating if we don't just honoring their the motive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► all right let's get back to Lenovo bought some things recently do we care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► do we have time to care about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► now we've done our only our show could could spend the first you know almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► hour and a half today of all days all the stuff in the news happened today we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► haven't talked about any of it but even a bit but it's not like is that is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► news is there anything that we really care about if you don't care about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► the metagame company versus company and and who owns what and stuff like that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► don't know there's much about the industry that any of these particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► deals change other than continuing existing trends that everyone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► familiar with yeah I mean I know it seems like Lenovo's basically just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► becoming IBM's hardware and i know im still does big big hardware big server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► hardware but you know they took the PC business and i know im very hipster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► about all this but they killed the ThinkPad and and now they're taking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► x86 server business and apparently motorola's well well there there in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► economy that's like up-and-coming in a way that the US economy is not like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► they're us many many years in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► kind of makes sense that businesses that are not interesting or profitable are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► profitable enough or have enough growth potential for us could have enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4196">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► growth potential of them be more profitable for them more interesting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► them so they would like to make a phone they would like to sell PCs they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► happily sell PC class server hardware with us at the low end server hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► low-interest means x86 which is the basis like the server hardware that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► almost everybody buys not a bad business that I mean like I know you're upset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► about them but they did your beautiful ThinkPad but Lenovo took IBM's PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► business and didn't screw it up at the very least you given that they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► screw it up if they had to have a pretty good record of that of not stirring up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► the things they've bought too badly i mean i i think even most people who who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► are ThinkPad fans would agree that that the Lenovo tradition really didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► change much compared to like well as compared to Google buying Motorola [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► described her immoral camp preschooler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► that's not fair but I want of time someone will require company and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:02 ◼ ► like he won't be able to figure out how to make any money within the products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4262">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► will be worse under you and it will just fizzling people might say that leno was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► products are worse in some ways and IBM are lost some of the specialist at IBM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► are is interesting is there are under IBM but it's still an ongoing business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► and like I was my fear when they bought the museum who'd ever heard of the Nova [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► when they took you know IBM's PC business that like in two years you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► be able to buy Lenovo PC sales del not be able to make it go this is allowed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► the just won't be successful but you can still buy Lenovo PCs laptops and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► not as special as I think bed with a butterfly keyboard but you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► they're reasonable PCs like what would you rather have Lenovo laptop or a Dell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► Lenovo and HP laptop slim pickings there is an option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► fun fact my dad has worked for IBM for probably about 30 years years and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4315">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► vividly vividly remember seeing the ink pads floating around the house when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► was really little because the ThinkPad in case you know is named after these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► pads of these to hand out to the employees just said the word think on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► the front that was it and I vividly remember seeing this all over the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► and so I grew up on on on ThinkPads and I grew up using a TrackPoint pointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► device and if you've never seen the xkcd about this go google and check it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► but I still I still miss that i genuinely do in Apple trackpad czar are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► as good as they get their touchpads whatever they're called they're as good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► as their as those sorts of things get but I still miss and prefer the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► I may be on the only one which actually I meant to ask you guys do you guys use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► the Magic Trackpad now know what you crave my thoughts you but a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► people I know are starting to start to get really excited about the track that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► Modi suspicious of somebody when they tell me they prefer a trackpad to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► amounts I tend to track that I know but I know people who use that I know people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► who use trackpads at their desk with their desktop computer and I also know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► people who prefer the track the centered track pad underneath your keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► laptop to using a mouse on the desktop and those people should be allied with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► great suspicion it so we don't really care about them buying Motorola and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► Google unloading my motorola is it's like a terrible failed I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► I mean they got the patents are keeping the patents that when they bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► Motorola the only interesting thing about that acquisition like that the a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► story that okay they're just gonna they're by tomorrow the pants like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► but I think they might be buying them because they're gonna make their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► phones and Motorola makes harm and that turned out not to be the case you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► admitted as much in their thing we originally bought them for the bed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► I guess there was a chance that have more roles new phones took off Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► would say hey wait a second weekend so the OS two other people but they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► be with them by making their own hardware sales in huge numbers of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► Nexus which cell in smaller numbers I would imagine but turns out knowing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► the Motorola Sony there so it's not it's a shame because the most recent Motorola [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► phones are pretty decent like they're they're interesting they're nice looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► they work pretty well for Android phones like they're not they're not terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► phones I'm certain Lenovo will continue to make them make not terrible homes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► of them and you know who knows they're they're well positioned to do well in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► China you know so that that business starts picking up there gonna be right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► there ready to sell cheap Android phones thought tryna do you think it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► anything to do with a with a possible Google Samsung future partnership of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► getting Motorola out of the way you know like Google couldn't buy Samsung the too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► do you think that you know the news came out today also that that Google has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► apparently pressured Samsung to stop doing they're incredibly different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4497">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► interface on their tablets they were working on and possibly in their phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► as well I don't know all the details of it but you know clearly Google is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► kind of pressuring Samsung to work more closely with them what if getting motor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► out of the way it besides being you know financially wise they kept losing even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► more money on every year they kept it would have that kind of help that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► mean I don't know it it sounds like a stretch but you never know I'm honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► all this makes me think that the way to the way they bought Motorola kind of out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► of the blue and then spent way too much on even back then everyone said it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4536">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► supposedly it was maybe four patents but not really be worth anything and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► that the patents are worth something not too crazy billion dollar numbers they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► giving there but they're definitely worth something they're they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► worth it in that you're gonna be able to sue everybody else for violating your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4556">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► pants but I think having that big stable it's like it so enough uncertainty and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► you're in the people who are going to come at you with their stupid patents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► they like well we have a lot of stupid patties to and you're not sure and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► the few they've used have lost to court but it's a hell of a lot of patents and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► they're really stupid so I think it serves its purchase as as the mutually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► assured destruction sort of black bag of crap it was overpaid for that but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► better than not having it at all and as for like this that pressuring like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► Samsung saying all right you want us to do more stock Android appearing you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► to get rid of the Motorola I don't think Samsung was threatened by a number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► crap even though they were selling and I don't think Samsung was in a position to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► bargain like that they shouldn't have been if Google if if they made that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► threat and Google believed it and and acted based on that threat being an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► actual thing they should be scared of that was stupid because that's an insane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► threat like it would be basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4616">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► will do your default android appearance thing but you have to do this thing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► us and Google say why do we have to do that well if you don't we're not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► make our phones use the stock Google appearance and we don't need no stinkin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► maps and we don't need no stinkin gmail will do everything ourself and going ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► good luck with that I don't think Samsung is in a position I mean how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► Apple was barely in a position to not use Google Maps I'm not sure Samsung is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► in a position to do away with with all the things that Google gives them their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► Android vendor for crying out loud you know it's hard they could do like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► Kindle route where you like Amazon like we're not really need anything from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► thanks I don't think that's a viable strategy it's possible that Samsung is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► diluted enough that they think that's a viable strategy for them that they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► need we don't need your Google any second we could go off on her own will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► be just as successful without you i think thats trade you would work like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► year and then Samsung would realize they're not Google so I'm not sure but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► I hope Google didn't give any credence to that but I think getting rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4676">TS</a>]
01:17:59 ◼ ► admiral is the right move because if you're not going to use my role as your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4679">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► hardware wing and become like an Apple style like we make the hardware this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► offer if you're not going to do that what the hell point is there and having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► a phone maker also do is make your relationships with all the people you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► license or west to more fraught with banks that it needs to be and yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► paid twelve billion dollars were but no country losses so who has the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► leverage between Samsung Google d still think it's Google and I ask because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► seems to me like most of the phones that I see that are that are Android phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► and I i wont even wager a guess as to the percentage but it seems like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► over half our Samsung phones so is Google getting to the point that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► getting behold into Samsung mean what you just said made me think know but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► do you think so because like Samsung is making all the money and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► Android Market and Google hates and so late but they're not beholden to Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► they just want Samsung they just want a Google needs to figure out a way to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► money from Android and be the the power of Samsung is making them more difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► they're making the money and so that's that Google in MN to say yes to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► mortgage default Android experience is them trying to say what we want is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► undifferentiated see people shipping on our way on commodity hardware they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► to go back in time but unlike their Microsoft installing Windows every PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► vendor and Samsung doesn't want to be a PC vendor they want to differentiate but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► it's not as if Samsung like if Google already not making most of the money in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► the Android ecosystem what is Samsung taking away someone's already reaping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► all the profits from Android right there are they've already done that to Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► so I don't see how Samsung has any leverage over Google say well we'll just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► change everything to Windows Phone to stop using and we weren't making any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► money off you use an Android anyway so it's sure their relationship is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► they're not too happy campers next to each other and I don't know what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► know Google least as a stopgap of like well this whole Android thing was silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► we're gonna switch to Chrome OS for everything I think it's it's even you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4796">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► know you can look at the relationship between Apple and Samsung with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► lawsuit stuff but just with with the but the hardware manufacturing deals that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:10 ◼ ► they have where you know Apple still need some Sun for all four so much of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4810">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► complete manufacturing especially the more complicated processors and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► and it doesn't look like they're gonna stop using samsung in the next few years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► you know maybe there'll be little slowly work towards that by bringing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► different fat and stuff but there you know there's gonna keep tabs on as a as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► a manufacturing partner for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► component partner for a while and so you know a Samsung and Apple you could tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► they don't like each other but but they they keep working together because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► Samsung will take the money cuz it's a lot of money and Apple needs their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► capacity and and their their chip manufacturing so I think similarly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► Google and Samsung kind of need each other to you no good bye bye having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4855">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► Samsung is is making a killing and Samsung in a personality wise it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► pretty hard to get a read on them and in much detail but it does seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► personality wise like they're not like a stubborn principled company if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► there's a way to make money doing something they're going to do it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► don't really care what do they think they're not going to like hold a grudge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► against Google and say oh well you're you're kicking ass around so we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► stop using Android so they won't they might make their own additional line of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► phones or something else on it but then stops on Android phones they don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► if they can make money on her phone number of phones and a lot of money and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► Google needs them because you know you said that there's not really a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► other people making insurance stuff that that serves Google Amazon song good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► amount of it but that's not really helping Google very much and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► there's other manufacturers like most original ones I can China and India [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► there's manufacturers that also make a ton of Android stuff but that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► have very much does doesn't mean a lot of our services or any of the Services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4917">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► so Samsung is one of the is probably the only company making a good amount of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► of Google serviced connected Android things I actually saw them a worldwide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► and so you know they can or can't afford to to have animosity toward each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► that you know I think you're right Google wanted with Android I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► expected there be all these manufacturers with a diverse ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► prodding healthy competition and in reality everyone else has died so I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► really good at it and and really bad at it and so there is you know it totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► is dysfunctional to have like one giant manufacture making making them the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► majority of your stuff well and not just the number of manufacturers they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4960">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► expected well we're gonna make the software part of the margins on software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► massive so we're gonna make a huge margins on the software we sell and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► those poor suckers making the hardware gonna make tiny little harbour martyrs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► Samsung's making the bulk of the Prophet and what you would define as the Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4976">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► Market because they make way more profit on the phones they sell than Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► makes on the licensing of the OS to samsung and so that's that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► imbalanced data like all the money in the vast majority the money the Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► manufacturer and ghouls gonna be like but doesn't software have higher marks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► that's how we're not making money and you know and so I think Google trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► go back to his bread and butter and saying it seems like no matter who's out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► there even if they were 15 hardware makers the accumulated profit made by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► the 15 hardware makers that evenly divided the market but still dwarfed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► the license fees that we get it doesn't seem like they were going to make money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► you know because the magic of like subsidized phones in the USA and getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► all that money for giving you a subscriber her long period of time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► the hardware itself has reasonable margins and they're not making enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► money off the Android itself so I think they want to go back to their old style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► just alright we're gonna make money by people using Google services and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► why they switch to never mind all the profits up let's just make sure that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:58 ◼ ► people who are selling Android phones continue to continue to be a great way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5038">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► to get people into our Google services so we can't run the rule ads and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► information about them in Google+ and all the things we do think we're done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► thanks to our three sponsors this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► help spot Squarespace and cards against humanity and we'll see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► now the show they didn't need me to begin because it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► it was accidental and you see a team Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5078">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► I seem to recall may be hearing about this summer on the Internet in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► defense Parkville some people saying people who preferred to play first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► person shooters at the trackpad instead of a mouse what why it's it's a reaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► out of the people who prefer to play first person shooters for the thumbstick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► instead of a mouse but the whole thing but I pretty sure I've heard of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► ones playing for a certain tract is just like people who grow up the track pads I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► don't do something wrong with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► kids these days with their input methods like it would be fine if they if it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► actually better like it was more if you could make if you make a challenge where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5156">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► there was like a series of dots on the screen and they were you know your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:02 ◼ ► challenges we're done with dinner and location of the click on it as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5162">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► you click on another dot appears their objective ways to to measure how how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► efficient you are with your input device and go ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► trackpad people going on against the mouse person same thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► first-person shooters auto aim has been credited her generation of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► think they're better with I'm sticking them in the mouth when in reality the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► game drawing their fire to the enemy because they have to be somewhere near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► there were there are swearing in the chat that he or she is much better with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► the trackpad which means he or she is or using auto aim and not realizing it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► not want to admit it but I was playing with it like a PC and Mac game is not at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► all it doesn't know you better think it's all because using a track that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5204">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► maybe people don't know how to use a mouse I don't know maybe it's like grade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► inflation liking to you what you wanna just like make everyone feel better like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► they did better even though they still suck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5217">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► hey you you hit him or call it a hit everyone's a winner here one thing we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► should talk about it some point is what what will we reflect on in 20 or 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► years as being the clear sore spot in computers today and in before bending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► desks I was going to say exactly that so let's let's assume that we've already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► that spinning disks are hurting the past and we can't use that as an answer what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► because we aren't we all have gigs and gigs and gigs of ram we generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► speaking half big enough hard drives and you could make an argument that the SSDs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► being considerably smaller because they're they're much too expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► otherwise I would allow that as an answer but if not if not those them what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:45 ◼ ► what's the what's the bottleneck on writing the screens are you also put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5265">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► that in the past now I would allow that I think that'd be fair I would say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► would say having very short laptop battery life because you know that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► in talking about it you know if we're talking about like this year that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5277">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► not but even just like three years ago in that era where almost everyone at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► that point was buying laptops that they were normal person hardly anybody bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► desktops even as of five years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► you know so laptop so I took over in the last decade so strongly and but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► weren't very good they were so I think having that was being very hot and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► shorter battery lives and maybe big and heavy also but that that fit itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► towards the end of the decade I think that that might be a member they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► talking about moving from desktop nineties two laptops in the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► thousands if you already fast burning his passes this season Retina screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► sort of thing is kind of fair because if you just start from like the best of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► modern computers and say that's the status quo going forward like a baby is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► born and they never see a spinning disco era of their goodness or so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► babies born today will probably doing it for phones that break when you drop drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:57 ◼ ► them if we're lucky could cause I mean that's a tough call because you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5337">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► sure if there's going to be material science breakthroughs that lead to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► but always now I know you brought you drop your phone on Sunday you like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► it's gonna break maybe is not made it was good thing but like it's it's weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► if if there's a material science breakthrough that allows that not to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► something we have to worry about so much it will look ridiculous that we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► these things that were so fragile that cost so much money that we carry around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► a dozen as I called you dropped it and cement that was over it like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► saying to someone today if you drop your keys on cement when you're going through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► them to do you know to get into your cart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► keys to get the car that way is the hallmark of proximity but anyway the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► idea that if you drop your drop your keys on the ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► your keys are still fine right what our phones you dropped on the ground not fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► anymore and I feel like it's possible in our lifetime there could be a material [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► science breakthrough that makes that seem ridiculous when the same way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► there could be a battery breakthrough and also is worth pointing out to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► you know we in the same ways that like it's kind of irrelevant to us what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5395">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► happens with mainframes these days I think our kids are not going to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► care what computers were like when you know in today's era they're going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► talking about what mobile phones were like in today's era and and so from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► point of view maybe battery life is the thing as bad as we said earlier is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► getting pretty pretty solid to the point where most people don't really run into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► issues that often anymore with with the newest models and it's probably keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► going in that direction whereas with phones its use account about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:31 ◼ ► standstill where the industry is still so competitive moving the hardware for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5431">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► making everything more powerful making the screen is bigger and brighter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► higher dancing all the stuff so we can about battery stagnation where and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► of the worst where you know as everything it's more complicated and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► more advanced and more powerful and bigger we're still getting like about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► day of casual use and less than a day of heavy use and we've kind of been there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5453">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► for a while now hopefully by the time are our kids might give a time he's old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► enough to care join your kids are already care but that's kind of my kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► old enough to care maybe you know maybe having a multiple day about her life on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► a phone will be the common case phone batteries are tough because you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► transmit that's the killer I think on phones like you can make the thought you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► could make the phone consumed zero energy for its green and CPU but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► have to transmit so that some tower and I guess I guess you know whatever a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► successor to LTE is able to use even less power but I will I worry that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► that's the limiting factor that's like you are physical distance and you must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:37 ◼ ► you must have quantum entanglement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5497">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► convey information without transmitting radio waves but look at how softens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:47 ◼ ► overtime overtime cell phone towers gotten more dense so you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5507">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► transmit less distance they have been more crowded noisy about two separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► issue but they've gotten closer to you most of the time and we've switched to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5515">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► lower power and faster protocols like the old analog phones had to use a ton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► of power to reach some tower that was thirty miles away cuz there are a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► lot these days we have these nice festival networks that are much much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► lower power the tournament side and as the network faster it it's like the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► sleeping on CPUs you can like you know keep the radio on for a shorter time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► finding more data and then be done to go back to sleep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:23 ◼ ► yeah like I don't think evidence that you know eventually will become the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5543">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► limiting factor because the other parts can progressive sort of the pace of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► technology but the radio parts compared only progressive there at the rate of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► infrastructure you know like how long does it take to build a new towers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► convert the networks to do all that they move so much more slowly anything if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► current trends continue that will become the dominant factor in power use whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:46 ◼ ► right now it's not the dominant factor down factor now is if you have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5566">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► apple tree in the background all time it will kill your phone before it gets a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► chance to waste all sentient cell phone talking to cell phone towers right to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:56 ◼ ► get there but I think but I'm are you know our kids are up that especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5576">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► given the way infrastructure that's the glacial pace than infrastructure changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► over in the us- talking to the cell network will be the dominant power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► source if we're lucky I guess I mean I guess I guess they can continue to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► what you had to say was like well they never spend their energy on better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► battery life there we spend a ton better features and CPU speed and stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► just maintain parity and battery life and thinking about that with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:24 ◼ ► dumbphone I almost think that multiday battery life is a little bit of a curse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5604">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► as well as a blessing because I forgot to charge my phone visa last like six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► and a half days on a charge right and if you have to charge your phone every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► if you have eighteen or twenty hour battery life you're probably okay but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► once you get like 50 how about you forget the charger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:47 ◼ ► yes that's true actually like that's how I like how I was with candles when I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5627">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► them more candles is like I would not charge my Kindle ever and most of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► wasn't a problem one day of every two months maybe I'd go to read and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► couldnt do is dead so I plug it in and then I wouldn't care for two months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► yeah I mean to that that's extreme case I think that is acceptable to my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► my wife was complaining because my phones not charge him why is it not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► charged because there's no I don't need to charge it every day or every other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► day every three days like a series like maybe once a week I need the charges but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► I need to like remember you know it's not one that we could like every five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► and a half days or something so you know it's it's it's interesting to me trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► to pick out what is what is the obvious downfall of stuff today and the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► thing we haven't really mentioned that I wonder is will home broadband still be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:39 ◼ ► thing and I'm not sure because if you think about it you know as i've said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5679">TS</a>]
01:34:47 ◼ ► Ltd even in reasonable speeds is quicker than my broadband at home five years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5687">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► granted five years is a long time but you know Ltd it burst like ridiculously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5693">TS</a>]
01:34:58 ◼ ► awesome speeds is almost as quick if not in some rare cases as quick as my fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5698">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► my beloved files today and granted Marco yup the super baller fires but for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► regular humans you know it's it's almost on par and if it wasn't for bandwidth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► limits then there's an argument that maybe we wouldn't need home internet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► I keep thinking back to like AOL and back when back when you would have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:26 ◼ ► limited amount of minutes you actually were talking about this on the talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5726">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► when you have a limited amount of minutes and it was like three thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► dollars a minute to be online and then eventually everything became a limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► cuz even ISPs had that if memory serves a lot of ISPs took that approach of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► time did you only get so much time in months and so on but eventually it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► race to the bottom right way of phrasing it was a race to unlimited and I wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► these these cell phone companies will eventually Raystorm limited kinda like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► what's printed supposedly doing and I don't know I mean there are places where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5755">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► that won't work of course we're here in the middle of nowhere but actually there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► I have some friends at work that you live in the middle of nowhere and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:07 ◼ ► quickest in turn the internet they can get is a verizon mifi or perhaps just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5767">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► make their phone a hotspot because the only other option I have is DSL so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► sometimes in some certain circumstances being in the middle of nowhere that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:22 ◼ ► makes broadband cellular internet the best option because even in the even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5782">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► more distant future because anyone who writes sci-fi book doesn't involve like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► wires going to people's houses the sci-fi book like the superfast network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:36 ◼ ► that connects all the computers on the on the super advanced planet is always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5796">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► wireless right and I think the main thing that will make that happen for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:44 ◼ ► is the inability of us to do infrastructure projects in this country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5804">TS</a>]
01:36:47 ◼ ► in a reasonable amount of time running wires everybody's house it seems beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5807">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► the capabilities of any private company or government or the combination thereof [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5812">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► is this something combination of eminent domain for the wires and the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5816">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► owning the existing things like that so given that incredible screwed up fitness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► it's right for someone for wireless to get good enough and say we don't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► do that stuff we don't need to dig trenches and run wires and deal with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5830">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► government stuff we just need to get this deal with the other for spectrum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► but assuming they can make use of the spectrum is already available that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► already have that's definitely ready for it to happen but and and it seems more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:24 ◼ ► sci-fi like but I think if there wasn't for our complete inability to run wires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5844">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► to people's houses in a reasonable fashion that the wired with still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:33 ◼ ► maintained its hold because as fast as wireless is ever going to get again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5853">TS</a>]
01:37:38 ◼ ► unless you go with some crazy quantum entanglement you know superb advanced i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► buy thing if you have the technology to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► think of the technology you have for the wire less and even though you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► think of a use for a hundred times faster than Ltd now a thousand times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► faster if you had it you would come up with the uses for it like it's not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► who knows about holograms and her olympic bar future whatever so maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► think it is inevitable for us because of our inability to run wires but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► if if you know if everything was even keel and you could get the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:15 ◼ ► people's houses that will continue to be a thing just because it's so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5895">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► capable well but Wireless has has a pretty big problem where it has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:24 ◼ ► ceiling at which it slams into limitations of spectrum and space and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5904">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► density where wires like wires can can run in a very very dense area in a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► dense arrangement and doesn't really affect them it doesn't really matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► that much you know they have some challenges are some of the big you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► bottleneck piping points of the backhaul but not you know not major problems and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:50 ◼ ► most of the time that can also be salvaged running more wires whereas if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5930">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► you're in like a dense city area and the radio spectrum is just jammed full and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5933">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► and it's still not enough capacity and there's no more spectrum to be had its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► available for a while or wherever that's a problem with you hit this hard ceiling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:10 ◼ ► with wireless well but wireless is a wired system like in cities Wireless is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5950">TS</a>]
01:39:15 ◼ ► a wired systems all you're getting rid of his dad left in the last mile bike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5955">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► all but in an apartment building at the last two hundred feet you know because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► your your your cell tower could be connected by a fiber-optic cable to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► backbone or whatever it's just that your house isn't connected to the cell tower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► by a kind of cable you connected to cell towers in specially in cities where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► you're building would have some you know some kind of cell tower in it but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► building would be wired to the backbone so it's just getting the last mile but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:45 ◼ ► what it means is that you don't have to have some wire to your house that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5985">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► pay for that you're paying for this amorphous service that exists everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:51 ◼ ► in the air and the case is getting out likenesses broadband goes away you mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5991">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► right thing I pay for the goes to my house is instead you just going to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5995">TS</a>]
01:39:59 ◼ ► for access to the air over the entire country and you're not paying for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/5999">TS</a>]
01:40:03 ◼ ► one white house but the wires are also gonna be there is just a question of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► dense can you get the towers like that and that's what I was saying about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► limitations yeah that's why having a wire going to your house in awhile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:13 ◼ ► fiber-optic think it's always gonna win like it's it's better to not have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6013">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► send signals to the air i'd have much more capacity there's the question is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:25 ◼ ► the difficulty of running those wires to people's houses gonna make it so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6025">TS</a>]
01:40:28 ◼ ► wireless just comes in you know disruptive old-fashioned disruption I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:32 ◼ ► call you guys are busy over there arguing about cable packages in fiber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6032">TS</a>]
01:40:35 ◼ ► optic and last mile crap we're just going off this year everybody for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6035">TS</a>]
01:40:38 ◼ ► at already paying for an important to say hey it's good enough to be your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6038">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► broadband it everything and we went I think it matters more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:46 ◼ ► and rural areas where you already have issues getting getting you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6046">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► high-speed cable high speed DSL and certainly you know fiber that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6050">TS</a>]
01:40:53 ◼ ► question in rural areas where you know where wireless covers them way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6053">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► easily by areas so you know it's it's gonna be a lot like you know having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► having having well water from the city pumped you versus having to pump your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:06 ◼ ► own water or having you know having natural gas pipeline to your house where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6066">TS</a>]
01:41:10 ◼ ► they haven't used liquid propane like there is going to be like you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6070">TS</a>]
01:41:14 ◼ ► city hookups the main in fresh look ups are probably always going to be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6074">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► if you can get them but the advantage is that you don't have to get them in a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:23 ◼ ► of places and wireless has had as you know started covering rural areas much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6083">TS</a>]
01:41:28 ◼ ► more slowly than than cities but it's covering them you know more slowly than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6088">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► you can get out to you in Manhattan but a lot faster than you can get FiOS in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:39 ◼ ► yeah although I want to go back to step yo John you had made mention that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6099">TS</a>]
01:41:45 ◼ ► will be some new things like for KTV or maybe even holograms that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6105">TS</a>]
01:41:49 ◼ ► necessitate a really fat pipe coming into your house but I don't know I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6109">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► I remember vividly trying to download an mp3 from some weirdo FTP site that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6114">TS</a>]
01:42:01 ◼ ► surely installing a thousand viruses on the Windows PC and I remember doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6121">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► over dial up and thinking to myself I can tell even as a teenager at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:11 ◼ ► I can tell that this is not going to be as painful future and then once it got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6131">TS</a>]
01:42:16 ◼ ► to the point that I could download an mp3 with some quickness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6136">TS</a>]
01:42:20 ◼ ► dan I would try to download a video and I could tell you know what this is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6140">TS</a>]
01:42:25 ◼ ► to get a lot better in the future and I think that maybe you're right maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6145">TS</a>]
01:42:31 ◼ ► it'll be a hologram or something like that but I was saying that that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6151">TS</a>]
01:42:35 ◼ ► silly like we're not going to be like you know increasing the high-resolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6155">TS</a>]
01:42:38 ◼ ► video that's it that's a silly extrapolation of what we have now what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6158">TS</a>]
01:42:42 ◼ ► but if you want to take some of that we have now there will get worse in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6162">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► future they will need more capacity as we talk about it all the time its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:49 ◼ ► backups and not from a backup perspective but just like we if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6169">TS</a>]
01:42:53 ◼ ► produce all this digital content in your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6173">TS</a>]
01:42:55 ◼ ► video you create the pictures you take that's only going to get bigger up two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6175">TS</a>]
01:42:59 ◼ ► point you know this is the point we're getting your taking for k videos on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6179">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► cellphone does need to be much better then maybe twice as good whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:06 ◼ ► over a lifetime you will build up a lot of that and I still think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6186">TS</a>]
01:43:10 ◼ ► ridiculous to make people accepted that did that stuff can go at any time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6190">TS</a>]
01:43:15 ◼ ► you don't really own it into disappears so if there were some way to sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6195">TS</a>]
01:43:18 ◼ ► like again I get back to the transporter add if if there is sort of this series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6198">TS</a>]
01:43:23 ◼ ► of little devices at home at work and all your friends house and you did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6203">TS</a>]
01:43:27 ◼ ► could be pushed among it so that when your house burned down you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6207">TS</a>]
01:43:29 ◼ ► would lose all your data like that's the ultimate extension of the internet but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6209">TS</a>]
01:43:33 ◼ ► to do that you need massive bandwidth between all these notes that he liked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6213">TS</a>]
01:43:36 ◼ ► how is it feasible to move lifetime's worth of information amongst these nodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6216">TS</a>]
01:43:40 ◼ ► and real-time like can I move video as fast as I can grab it on my phone of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6220">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► course you can but if you have these gigantic pipes going to and from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► many interesting things are happening out so I think like we don't need 10,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:51 ◼ ► times the bandwidth we have but if you go to someone ok picture that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6231">TS</a>]
01:43:55 ◼ ► 10,000 times the bandwidth can you think of something you knew you can do it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6235">TS</a>]
01:43:58 ◼ ► those type of numbers like water by magnitude increases open up things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6238">TS</a>]
01:44:03 ◼ ► the realm of possibility that were not even a twinkle in anyone's I but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6243">TS</a>]
01:44:06 ◼ ► like ok boo you have it now what can you do and that's you know downloading video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6246">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► over the Internet to watch movies in high def [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:13 ◼ ► if you had proposed that to someone in 1962 of they would have probably thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6253">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► of that there was a while have that kind of been with I can send moving pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:20 ◼ ► depende lo and behold you can and like how did we get from point A to point B [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6260">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► as I like you need to build a network you can send movies and it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:27 ◼ ► will we need to send movies you need to build a network they kind of go hand in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6267">TS</a>]
01:44:31 ◼ ► data backup and moving away your personal data amongst this big cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6271">TS</a>]
01:44:35 ◼ ► that would require massive bandwidth to rethink cities that sammy is the best if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6275">TS</a>]
01:44:45 ◼ ► I got that right now I think that makes the most sense of backups makes the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6285">TS</a>]
01:44:49 ◼ ► sense because that's something that you're right I can tell today that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6289">TS</a>]
01:44:54 ◼ ► that's too slow and it shouldn't be that slow and it probably won't be but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6294">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► wouldn't call it back ups like that would not be a backup that would be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:01 ◼ ► the up there bebe bebe up that we're backing you know there is no back of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6301">TS</a>]
01:45:07 ◼ ► course of course all our information is just there and of course it is redundant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6307">TS</a>]
01:45:11 ◼ ► and separated and travels with us and synchronize between these things whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6311">TS</a>]
01:45:15 ◼ ► it's because we buy these little you know some size Transport Act things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6315">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► spread them around or whether there's some sort of cloud storage solution that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:25 ◼ ► lot of data that we already make we are ready to make this water updated too big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:29 ◼ ► for us to do anything with you can barely we can barely have one primary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6329">TS</a>]
01:45:32 ◼ ► location than one like backup to be put it to let alone having it instantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6332">TS</a>]
01:45:35 ◼ ► synchronized everywhere just does not enough bandwidth for that we've talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6335">TS</a>]
01:45:38 ◼ ► about many times and that's just with current generation video and currency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6338">TS</a>]
01:45:42 ◼ ► you know revenues will increase but then I think so resolution will create a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6342">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► little bit more and think of people have a lifetime the stuff forces people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6346">TS</a>]
01:45:50 ◼ ► start taking high def video in 2007 about people who start taking video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6350">TS</a>]
01:45:54 ◼ ► identity in 2007 and their eight years old and they do for their entire life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6354">TS</a>]
01:45:58 ◼ ► how much data they gonna happen the end of it maybe they don't want to keep it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6358">TS</a>]
01:46:01 ◼ ► all but it seems like you want to keep some of it somehow make sense before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6361">TS</a>]
01:46:07 ◼ ► leave the thought of when I get back to the easy one of the spectra cases saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6367">TS</a>]
01:46:10 ◼ ► what's going to look weird to our kids the easy one even mentioning is that of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6370">TS</a>]
01:46:15 ◼ ► course all crap is gonna look humongous and ridiculous like of course it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6375">TS</a>]
01:46:19 ◼ ► same way when you look at like full-height hard drives or not your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6379">TS</a>]
01:46:22 ◼ ► fault light tower PC case are like even our Mac Pro cheese grater the mention of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6382">TS</a>]
01:46:26 ◼ ► everything he looked gigantic you carry this around like I have a Newton on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6386">TS</a>]
01:46:31 ◼ ► desk now looks ridiculous next to my iPod Touch right of course that's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6391">TS</a>]
01:46:36 ◼ ► laptops phones well will it now I'm not so sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6396">TS</a>]
01:46:40 ◼ ► laptops and phones have both reached the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6400">TS</a>]
01:46:43 ◼ ► and and not even recently they've both reached the point where they're pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6403">TS</a>]
01:46:47 ◼ ► much like as as small as they can be and still have the screen size of a half in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6407">TS</a>]
01:46:54 ◼ ► the case of laptop still have a keyboard says they have a day there's not a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6414">TS</a>]
01:46:58 ◼ ► lot of room to make them a lot smaller and so keep those keyboards if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6418">TS</a>]
01:47:02 ◼ ► iPhone 5 looked as I could like it does but it was the thickness and weight of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6422">TS</a>]
01:47:06 ◼ ► your current iPhone 5 look ridiculous compared to it that's true but we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6426">TS</a>]
01:47:10 ◼ ► talking about such a small scale at the differences are so much smaller and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6430">TS</a>]
01:47:15 ◼ ► some parts of computing and gotten bigger I mean look how small that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6435">TS</a>]
01:47:17 ◼ ► original Mac looks you know it turns out things that are good to get bigger we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6437">TS</a>]
01:47:22 ◼ ► gotten bigger screen size like even if you just look at the thickness of my 23 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6442">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► and Apple Cinema Display in front of me now compared to the thickness of an iMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► which has a whole computer behind it that that is thinner than my monitor it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:34 ◼ ► doesn't have to be that big of deal if I compare my current iPod touch to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6454">TS</a>]
01:47:38 ◼ ► first generation iPod touch that looks ridiculous and the differences like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6458">TS</a>]
01:47:42 ◼ ► millimeters but it just you put it in your hand like how do you ever use iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6462">TS</a>]
01:47:45 ◼ ► Touch like twice the thickness of the you know it's not that big of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6465">TS</a>]
01:47:50 ◼ ► difference but that tends to be glaring to people in retrospect how big and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6470">TS</a>]
01:47:53 ◼ ► thick and heavy things are not think that's a good point but i i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6473">TS</a>]
01:47:57 ◼ ► Marcos also right that in terms of width int height I'm not sure that that most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6477">TS</a>]
01:48:02 ◼ ► devices are gonna get that much smaller I think you're absolutely right in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6482">TS</a>]
01:48:08 ◼ ► message pad has a small it's similar probably similar screen size to an iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6488">TS</a>]
01:48:13 ◼ ► Mini but thicker and heavier and so that's what stands out it's not so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6493">TS</a>]
01:48:16 ◼ ► that like the width and height it's it's different proportions and an iPad Mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6496">TS</a>]
01:48:19 ◼ ► but the area is similar but it because it's because it's like a break then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6499">TS</a>]
01:48:23 ◼ ► feel like oh well you know this if the old you know it's funny this bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6503">TS</a>]
01:48:28 ◼ ► attention from our tension tension of attention of changes but on this show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6508">TS</a>]
01:48:33 ◼ ► exactly I got for Christmas the Apple leather case a black one for my iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6513">TS</a>]
01:48:40 ◼ ► 5s and I didn't typically I had a bumper on my for us for a long long time at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6520">TS</a>]
01:48:47 ◼ ► least half the time I have before us and I liked it but my favorite but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6527">TS</a>]
01:48:51 ◼ ► trust myself not to have a case at all which I don't really argue is the better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6531">TS</a>]
01:48:56 ◼ ► and I wanted to try the leather case for the 5s because I felt like it would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6536">TS</a>]
01:49:02 ◼ ► really nice compromise it didn't seem to add that much thickness in it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6542">TS</a>]
01:49:07 ◼ ► seemed to be pretty nice and I've had it since Christmas like I said I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6547">TS</a>]
01:49:11 ◼ ► really really liked it a lot and it's the first real case I've ever had not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6551">TS</a>]
01:49:18 ◼ ► bumper anything like that and I really really really like it I got the black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6558">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► if it's faded I can't tell but it doesn't add that much thickness which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:30 ◼ ► what made me think of it I don't feel like it adds that much thickness having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6570">TS</a>]
01:49:34 ◼ ► come from a for us not that long ago it doesn't add enough thickness to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6574">TS</a>]
01:49:38 ◼ ► feel like it's real in the phone and I really really like my now I'm not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6578">TS</a>]
01:49:42 ◼ ► that case is right for you Marco but John you don't believe in iPhones for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6582">TS</a>]
01:49:47 ◼ ► yourself but I do really like it I often wonder why it seems that it is it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6587">TS</a>]
01:49:53 ◼ ► me and saying this is somebody who doesn't buy a lot of cases is it just me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6593">TS</a>]
01:49:57 ◼ ► or is there basically no competition for Apple's cases for the iPhone and iPad in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6597">TS</a>]
01:50:05 ◼ ► in it how how small and thin and light they tend to be and also how high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6605">TS</a>]
01:50:13 ◼ ► quality get him to feel and look like it seems like every other case i've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6613">TS</a>]
01:50:17 ◼ ► the height there are high quality ones but they're substantially bulkier and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6617">TS</a>]
01:50:22 ◼ ► end all the ones that are super small dinner like you know silicones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6622">TS</a>]
01:50:26 ◼ ► crappy things the aged feel like crap it looks like crap Marco how quickly we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6626">TS</a>]
01:50:31 ◼ ► forget the iPad one case oh that was a disaster or the current the current like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6631">TS</a>]
01:50:36 ◼ ► non led their the wrap around the back of the iPad cases those are not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6636">TS</a>]
01:50:41 ◼ ► be there I have one and actually I don't particularly care for the one on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6641">TS</a>]
01:50:45 ◼ ► iPad Mini in fact I take it off quite often just using the iPad because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6645">TS</a>]
01:50:50 ◼ ► damn magnet that holds it to the back of the iPad is nowhere near strong enough I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6650">TS</a>]
01:50:56 ◼ ► feel like john you've said this in the past somebody said this in the past but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6656">TS</a>]
01:50:59 ◼ ► having the case has been minimal though I'm not sure if there is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6659">TS</a>]
01:51:03 ◼ ► competition for example for the leather one think a lot of that is because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6663">TS</a>]
01:51:09 ◼ ► like they wanna feel like they're they're spending money on something big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6669">TS</a>]
01:51:12 ◼ ► like it seems like if you're going to get a case you wanna feel the case and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6672">TS</a>]
01:51:15 ◼ ► if you buy something and it's barely there then getting any so maybe that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6675">TS</a>]
01:51:19 ◼ ► why a third party is there more market that but I mean if you've seen my iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6679">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► touch case right and everyone who sees the iPod touch case takes a double take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:28 ◼ ► I think doesn't have a case on yet or or is this what the back of the iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6688">TS</a>]
01:51:31 ◼ ► touches like and it's just you know the mill Belkin plastic case but because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6691">TS</a>]
01:51:37 ◼ ► appetizers so incredibly thin with the case on it feels like almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6697">TS</a>]
01:51:41 ◼ ► there's no case there and it's very tightly fitting and you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6701">TS</a>]
01:51:45 ◼ ► made of some loosey goosey material and stretch around the edges and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6705">TS</a>]
01:51:50 ◼ ► in the buttons you know lineup with all the things that feel nice when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6710">TS</a>]
01:51:53 ◼ ► pressing them in that way like the leather case it made me think of them as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6713">TS</a>]
01:51:56 ◼ ► always got that red leather case for 5s in the same way we like well you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6716">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► pushing buttons through the case or whatever it can be done well reasonably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:04 ◼ ► well and I think there are case makers who do sort of competing around if only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6724">TS</a>]
01:52:08 ◼ ► on the iPod Touch in this case but it but there's something out there for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6728">TS</a>]
01:52:10 ◼ ► fire ice well but mostly when I see people of cases they are comically huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6730">TS</a>]
01:52:15 ◼ ► and people love them that love him although I will say very quickly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6735">TS</a>]
01:52:20 ◼ ► Achilles heel of this case is absolutely the lock button the lock button feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6740">TS</a>]
01:52:24 ◼ ► considerably more machine than it did when it was tasteless the silent bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6744">TS</a>]
01:52:29 ◼ ► someone but yeah the one of the top D sleep wake button whatever it feels a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6749">TS</a>]
01:52:37 ◼ ► lot Moshiri and and I was told that I think it's true that it would get better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6757">TS</a>]
01:52:41 ◼ ► over time and it has gotten somewhat better over the last month or so but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6761">TS</a>]
01:52:44 ◼ ► it's still not as crisp as I would like you mean you mean the power button the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6764">TS</a>]
01:52:49 ◼ ► the one on the top the one on the top I'm thinking of the one on the field the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6769">TS</a>]
01:52:55 ◼ ► one on the side they've had a cut out for you stick your finger now and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6775">TS</a>]
01:52:59 ◼ ► you switch it to ring that's what I was talking about that one is actually they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6779">TS</a>]
01:53:01 ◼ ► don't cover up because they couldn't do it but yeah that this question of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6781">TS</a>]
01:53:06 ◼ ► unhappy right doesn't quite feel like in that case I think my cheap Belkin case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6786">TS</a>]
01:53:09 ◼ ► for my pledge feels better because it's more of a positive kind of cliquez it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6789">TS</a>]
01:53:13 ◼ ► it's a material with less craziness than leather leather itself is gonna give so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6793">TS</a>]
01:53:17 ◼ ► it's harder for them that's why I think they should have a leather case will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6797">TS</a>]
01:53:20 ◼ ► three buttons that would have really nice high quality rather than it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6800">TS</a>]
01:53:24 ◼ ► cost $80 probably for ninety the leather case it was a gift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6804">TS</a>]
01:53:31 ◼ ► wanna say was forty or fifty dollars I think so much that I remember you it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6811">TS</a>]
01:53:36 ◼ ► it was expensive enough that I didn't wanna buy it for myself and it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMq5BI/6816">TS</a>]
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