00:00:00 ◼ ► Lenders the i Mac. I was on a pedestal the G. Four G. Four Q. Came up from the floor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► Still Sharp had to jump onto an airbag. That's real power. So we got some e-mail from an Apple Store genius. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► Yeah last week we were talking about i Cloud who buys more storage for i Cloud And I think I said that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/15">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► I imagine that people would go in not knowing whether their message on their phone means saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/23">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► It says something and about i Cloud blah blah blah fix it. Mr Genius present at the bar. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/28">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► And what they would assume they would do is say you know that James would tell him always I could really give us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/33">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► or my storage for free you've run out of that if you are more you have to pay Paul Blon the customer be pissed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/39">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► I don't want to pay more money for this type of thing whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/44">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► but I figured they would eventually just pay because they just want to keep using the phone the way they used to use it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/46">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► And then at the end of that I joke that it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/51">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► or I guess they can just turn back off entirely if they think nothing will ever happen to their phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/53">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► Well according to this Apple store genius has been there for two years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/57">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► People do come in with the message they don't understand what I mean is that not enough storage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/60">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► And he says the customer service reaction not to pay for something they don't understand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/65">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► They just turn I call back up often never think about it again. So there you go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/69">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► That's so painful but I but that's extremely believable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/74">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► So the other thing is or they don't understand how to turn the prompt off and we just hit OK Every morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/77">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► when I come back it was a time that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/82">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► So like that that that's their new way they use the phone is like every morning this is dialog box on the head OK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/83">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► and it goes away doesn't bother me to the next few days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/88">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► and has there are very few people who have actually paid for i Cloud storage in recent memory the only people I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/90">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► think of that bought it. Are people that assume i Cloud storage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/94">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► Will increase with the size of the phone storage capacity. And we talk about that before like how. Ideally you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/98">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► Whatever they're going to do with i Cloud Storage it would match the size of subtle some size of the devices you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/105">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► or whether it's fear whatever it seems like as you buy more devices your storage expandable should somehow build that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/112">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► into the price of devices or build that into the price of i Cloud but they don't they give you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/117">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► It's freemium they learned from the App Store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/121">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► They give you a little bit for free and then you would ever Louis reach reach the limit and you get it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/123">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► But some sad thing of people going Oh I know how to fix a photo start I thought backups off done and done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/128">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► If the problem is I get this box every morning that's annoying. It does fix the problem in quotes. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/133">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► I don't know. I think this is the more the more we hear about these these stories of how regular people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/139">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► Hit these walls. On their i OS devices. Of this photo storage wall unlike what to do at once you hit that wall. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/146">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► It's just so sad and really it's tragic. How many people lose their photos that they've taken. And you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/154">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► Keep on a lot of people their phone as their primary or only camera. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/163">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► And you know they could be taken with the only pictures they have of their kid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/167">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► You know and like actually I know somebody who does happened. So you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/171">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► These problems really are affecting a lot of people in very big ways and I have to imagine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/176">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► You know what we have now with i Cloud. Photo back up this. This can't be like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/182">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► Like this can't be the solution to this problem period there. Apple really has to address this in a more serious way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/188">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► And you know we've talked so much in the past I don't want to go over too much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/195">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► We talked so much in the past about the challenges of things like upstream bed with and uploading all your photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/198">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► and especially what the heck do you do with videos that are that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/203">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► That gain space on the device way faster them to the most could upload them to a web service. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/206">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► But I think there's such a huge gap between the ideal of backing up everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/211">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► And where we are now backing up kind of partially some things to very confusing I think a lot of middle ground between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/218">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► those two. That we can still achieve today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/225">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► You know that Apple gets village chief today if they wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/228">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► and just seems like either they can't get their act together on that yet. Or it's not a priority enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/230">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► Yeah I actually have some sort of related follow up so last episode I lamented the fact that I had. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/236">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► What I thought was multiple gigabytes of messages data on my i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/243">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► and it was so much that it was preventing i Cloud from backing up my i Phone because I was running out of space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/248">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► and I hadn't paid for any extra it's under ten or so I don't remember if I had hard facts at the time we recorded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/253">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► but I can tell you I'm looking at my i Phone right now. And I have three and a half. Gigabytes of messages data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/258">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► As per the settings than a believe it's general than you suggest generally the new usage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/265">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► And so I was I'd concluded that I really need to get this off of my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/270">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► and as much as I love my animated gifs I can find them elsewhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/275">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► And so it's a night I paid thirty five dollars for I Explorer which used to be known as i Phone Explorer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/279">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► and I'm sure someone will write and tell me No you idiot you should have done it this way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/285">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► Here's the secret hack to get to these things. But nevertheless I paid for this app and it will let me extract. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/289">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► S M S's from an unencrypted. I Tunes backups I had to do it on encrypted itunes backup. Well anyways. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/295">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► It will do many things it will save P.D.F. Severe i Tunes of your messages it'll save. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/302">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► See a season it'll also save text files and. I export did. Just my conversations with Aaron my wife. And as a P.D.F. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/308">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► Which does like the little chap bubbles and everything it was two hundred seventeen Megs. As a C.S.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/319">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► File works nothing but text it was still two megs of messages. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/324">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► And that's because I haven't deleted any To my recollection since I got my three G.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/328">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► In what did a two thousand or twenty time I was get that wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/332">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► So anyway so the point is there idle lot of messages on my phone and I don't view this as something abnormal and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/335">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► In this is something that I feel like a lot of regular people do. And I'm really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/343">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► I'm surprised that Apple hasn't found a better way to handle this. And it makes sense because. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/350">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► In Apple's perspective it stands to reason they wouldn't have to handle this because maybe normal people do delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/356">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► their messages but I would assume that not all normal people do and certainly I think of myself a slightly normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/361">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► and I didn't. So this is kind of a bummer and hopefully after the show I'll be able to go through in delete L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/367">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► And all of the animated GIF cinema G.'s that are so she added with them and hopefully reclaim all that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/375">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► Three and a half gigs and then be able to use I clap for backups again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/381">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► So I guess you don't need this new romantic Matic application. Then over this no so native application. I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/384">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► I think was great Nasir somebody I know from the incomparable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/393">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► Oh is this the thing that like pings you reminds you of yeah nice text messages to your significant other it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/396">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► you're all set in that regard. And I could've been a fast text feature. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/402">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► It could have been he doesn't need it obviously. Clearly not which by the way I have a new icon for fast taxed my. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/406">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► My internet friend Jacob why that has been working with me. Poor guy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/414">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► And I have a new icon I haven't quite finished the update to fast text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/418">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► but I don't need to hear any more complaining for him from John and Marco about the icons soon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/423">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► I really complain that the new one doesn't if he doesn't have feet. No sorry. But the icon is so much better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/428">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► Oh my goodness it's so much better. No feet no sale. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/436">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► Going back a sort of a photo thing I did the messages thing to this is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/442">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► It's one of those problems where I.O.'s has this kind of idealized picture of of conditions of usage and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/447">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► This is been a problem with a lot of Apple software you know the the photo storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/457">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► and an organization methods Itunes etc. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/462">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► There's these these idealized situations that I guess the designers at Apple figure this is how people use the thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/465">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► And they try to hide the complexity of dealing with computers and the reality of computers and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/473">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► When you get to something like the photo storage and backup issues and I.O.'s. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/481">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► And even things like you know messages taking up a ton of space. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/485">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► I think the big problem is that you're hitting these these places where it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/490">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► You know to use a joint software term it's a leaky abstraction. Like you can't hide. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/494">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► The realities of computing devices have limited storage space and photos and video shot by good cameras are huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/499">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► and upstream Bam with in most places it's not great. And on and oftentimes not free for very long and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/507">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► And like there's all these kind of inconvenient truths in the in the reality of using these computing systems that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/514">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► I.O.'s either. Ignores or berries so deeply that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/520">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► You know people do have to deal with the problem of storage space like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/526">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► That's a that's a reasonable thing to expect somebody using computer device to do is like well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/530">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► And you had your trying to store more stuff than it holds so you got to make some decisions here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/537">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► And I.O.'s really make that hard you know it Merlin talk about this a lot to like it makes it very hard to know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/541">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► the storage is being used it's very hard to to control that to to delete things intelligently to make space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/547">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► intelligently. To know what's being backed up somewhere and what isn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/554">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► You know a lot of the blame for those lays on the design of I O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/558">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► For for trying to pretend like these realities don't exist when in fact they're extremely common. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/561">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► And I would love to do the thing where like you know the usage screen where I spend a lot of my time because I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/568">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► always by thirty two gay guy with devices and I can barely fit. My stuff on them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/572">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► So I'm always right up against the storage limit because like movies for the kids another random things that I put on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/576">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► You know video is pushed me over the edge so I spend a lot of time in the user screen look into that stupid scrolling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/581">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► list and expanding into seeing it and. The solution to your. You're out of room is. Look at that big list. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/585">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► Find the application that like that big that you don't think you need or whatever and delete the entire application. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/593">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► Can I just delete a couple of the things in that application in some cases you can like video you can do the individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/600">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► videos for the video about the case but in other cases. Applications are not designed to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/605">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► Hey I'm application form and here's all the list of the data that I'm storing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/609">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► and it you want I can purge my cash as I can delete these old things that you haven't seen in a while I can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/613">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► You know just some way to manage the date in the application the only solution is.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/618">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► You know hold down going to little note at the little X. Nuke the whole application. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/622">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► I recently had to do that with Instapaper because I was up to like one point two gigs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/626">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► Instapaper was one point two gigs as a paper doesn't have any way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/630">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► Like within it like trim it stayed there whatever I could have gone through the individual. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/633">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► Things and deleted them off or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/637">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► The easiest thing for me to do because a likely Instapaper is has a service I can point it was to delete the hell up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/639">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► And there was an make we know loss and functionality but whatever the hell Instapaper was keeping around was gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/645">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► and it's the paper shrunk back down to its normal size and. I'm sure it's slowly growing back up as I go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/650">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► I mean that's that's an extreme case of whatever but you know same thing with the S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/655">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► and I think you could have gone through the S.M.S. App and deleted individual messages if you wanted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/658">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► But nobody after certain once you hit that limit is that's a method of so many people of at this limit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/662">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► And I was no one's going to go back and delete individual messages. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/666">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► And there's nothing in the message that location that says. Delete messages older than X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/670">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► Delete messages from you know do a like a something to do something complicated to like a search query final is it like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/674">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► There's not a lot of good solutions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/680">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► and you can't delete the messages avocations far as I know so I was trying to simplify things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/681">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► but that ends up chunking into the big immutable blobs of data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/686">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► And people are forced to make choices like should delete this entire application. I guess is my only choice I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/690">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► And so I think maybe they don't even know that you can go into the video and delete individual videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/696">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► but difficult situation it will kind of be better if. When Apple does a storage shift. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/699">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► Because I think most people can get away with like a sixty four gig. Device and be pretty sloppy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/707">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► But lots of people buying sixteenth and that's just not enough for anybody to use for more than like a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/712">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► and not run out a room. Well in either way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/716">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► If you have the sixteen gig device and if you have sixteen gigs of legitimate data on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/719">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► That's not going to get back up to i Cloud much you pony up some money. And this is where like you guys had mentioned. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/724">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► Earlier in Bradley Chambers I think was the first place I've seen this said Well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/729">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► The the amount of i Cloud backup you have should be the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/733">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► The cumulative size of all of your devices associated with that account so if you have a thirty two gig phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/736">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► Then as far as we're concerned the size of the of the your i Cloud allotment should be sixty four gigs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/744">TS</a>]
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00:24:04 ◼ ► I find it to be sufficient because I've never really used a Tivo. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1444">TS</a>]
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00:24:14 ◼ ► but I don't see why you need anything more than that in my menus if memory serves our Nicci how much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► Programming can you fit on your. I want to have the faintest idea we don't want enough T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► To ever get that close to me I always I always avoid the stuff you know I had I had a D.V.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► Box from the cable company for. You know for a few years and then I then I I you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► Was one of those people cut cable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1480">TS</a>]
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00:25:38 ◼ ► and stuff like that it's not going to work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1538">TS</a>]
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00:25:50 ◼ ► what if the thing missed start time by five minutes because something changes the last second. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1550">TS</a>]
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00:26:06 ◼ ► In this far better way. That's usually cheaper and has all these other advantages. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1566">TS</a>]
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00:26:16 ◼ ► Future and so the idea of buying a really decked out D.V.R. For me seems like investing in the wrong future. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1576">TS</a>]
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00:26:30 ◼ ► There are some advantages even if you're not every T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1590">TS</a>]
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00:27:31 ◼ ► Is in the age of cable card as they make it so you don't have to have a cable box if you think you want to have cable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1651">TS</a>]
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00:28:04 ◼ ► Thank you good bye I said life when you become a vampire. When I got my first Tivo alike. Nine ten years ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1684">TS</a>]
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00:28:21 ◼ ► All that totally gun point of like the best decade of my life television is like go in front of my television. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1701">TS</a>]
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00:28:31 ◼ ► and it's so happens that Tivo is filled with all the programming that. I want to record. And you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1711">TS</a>]
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00:28:44 ◼ ► when because we know we'll never have to see a commercial that way. You don't have to do with H.B.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► Shows the can watch them real time to they have no commercials. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1728">TS</a>]
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00:28:55 ◼ ► or No cable boxes are disgusting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1735">TS</a>]
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00:29:00 ◼ ► and the harbor remotes they give you never want one of those things in my house at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1740">TS</a>]
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00:29:21 ◼ ► It is better to have one of the smaller tivo D.V.R. Then take their cable box. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1761">TS</a>]
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00:29:52 ◼ ► and probably hundreds of immeasurable ones as well. But to me I having never had a D.V.R. Before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1792">TS</a>]
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00:31:17 ◼ ► The D.V.R. I don't recall if I'm renting the router it stands to reason I am. But. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/1877">TS</a>]
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00:34:26 ◼ ► Are there expected financials are projections [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► and they're forecasting a two hundred forty million dollar annual loss because the way you is not selling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► And they're cutting the forecasts and how many we use they think they're going to sell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2075">TS</a>]
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00:34:45 ◼ ► Is even way you games they cut that from saying they were going to sell thirty eight million who are you game saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2085">TS</a>]
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00:35:23 ◼ ► Number three D.S. Isn't big. But compared to how dedicated gaming device is selling now three D.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2123">TS</a>]
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00:35:57 ◼ ► We're going to keep supporting the Romeo. But it doesn't really it's a lot of double speak to basically sounds like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2157">TS</a>]
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00:37:12 ◼ ► or shouldn't do whatever is that as long as there's a market for dedicate a gaming devices. Nintendo can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► And Magento has a way to thrive and to. You know to be successful and to be the Nintendo we want to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2239">TS</a>]
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00:37:34 ◼ ► There is a way for an intended to to win. As long as people are willing to buy hardware that mostly just play games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► If people stop being willing to buy her brother just buy games. Intended can't play anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2262">TS</a>]
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00:37:51 ◼ ► dedicated came consuls software stack. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► They can't make something based on Android they can't make their own IO as they can't be a platform they can't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2274">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► just can't do that they don't have the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► The people do that it's very difficult to do so as long as people keep buying dedicated gaming devices all intending to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► do is make really good dedicated gaming devices with really good games that people want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► but that's it does sound easy doesn't it. Well. If they don't make game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► Hardware The people want to buy games to be want to buy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► They can still fail under that scenario but at least immobile I called out of the question they can't like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► I think there's nothing they can do to say we're going to make our own operating system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► And our own app store and our own general purpose platform to does more than games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2308">TS</a>]
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00:39:07 ◼ ► but they do have fourteen billion dollars in the bank. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2347">TS</a>]
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00:39:11 ◼ ► when this came up in the first round of Nintendo Well it's like they just need to like reset. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2351">TS</a>]
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00:39:30 ◼ ► console they can't run modern games and has very few. You know is not selling a lot of units. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2370">TS</a>]
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00:40:31 ◼ ► When it launched against you I know the Game Cube was not a huge success was it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2431">TS</a>]
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00:40:39 ◼ ► but I am assuming they have much more money in the bank now than I did back then because they write the Game Cube. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2439">TS</a>]
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00:41:09 ◼ ► Is doing well now but nothing about a D.S. In the Game Cube. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► Was seen as a failure because it was a third place console then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► but boy what Nintendo would give to sell a game cube like members of were you at this point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► So if you take off your Nintendo fanboy and I mean that a good way hat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► You're the only one of us that has we you and when. When we visited I played it for five minutes and it seemed nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2486">TS</a>]
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00:41:38 ◼ ► I know what you just said about it being not very powerful but just in general is it good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► The games and intend or will make for the way you. And that they already have made. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2503">TS</a>]
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00:41:54 ◼ ► and kinds of games on the way you that you can't have in any other consul because of that weird second screen thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2514">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► Doesn't mean that they're the most amazing games in the world but there's experiences you can have other places. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► And like than tend to land the thing that demonstrates like here's the in different ways you can use our combination of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► hardware some of them are fun some of them are but out of that big. You know collection of many games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► There's three or four in there that are really interesting and novel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► That can't be matched anywhere else and so if you're in. If you're into games and you want to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► Show me a new way to be entertained instead of just another first person shooter. Intended. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► Is showing you that kind of like on the X. Box. One on the X. Box three sixty would connect. Microsoft said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2546">TS</a>]
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00:42:35 ◼ ► That's a new way to play games try that deal like is it fun. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► or not that's something you can experience on the other consuls because they don't have the connect you know they may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► have the I Tory and the other things the cameras or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► but they're intended does have something novel with the way you and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► So that's one aspect of the second aspect is Nintendo makes great games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► and their games are going to be on the way you know that games are not going to be on any of the other council So if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► you're interested in playing the next. Velda game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► There's only one place to do that and maybe the next building game won't take advantage of any that we use features. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► Unique features at all but it'll still be a great game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► And it's kind of the same reason I got a Playstation three to play a class Guardian which is a lot and released. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► But you know journey is an example. Journey was and is not available now. Any other platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► I would buy a P S three just to play journey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► Journey could be on any platform doesn't use any unique features like analog stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► and buttons it's not like you need to connect bars like you need a second screen is a very straightforward game it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► could be a P.C. Game. Helical probably even exist an I O. S. God forbid. But it was only on the P S three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2611">TS</a>]
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00:43:41 ◼ ► And I continue to think that you know that's the way forward for an intended was make awesome hardware the people want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► that third parties are willing to support themselves in big numbers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► And also make your very best games and put them only on your hardware. That's it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► Just simple as that in general I don't see what the problem is just going to make awesome games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► and hardware that people love in order to win you have to do well geez. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► I mean like this people keep talking about structural things like oh. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► They need a different strategy even intended itself saying you know what to look at smartphones and do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► and do that it's like. I don't think that's a winning strategy for Nintendo because I don't think intend to can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► Can do what it does it you know people keep making this analogy and saying like not apt or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► but there's enough aspects of it that I think our app that's worth revisiting the thing about again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2661">TS</a>]
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00:44:29 ◼ ► And people are saying Apple has to get out of the hardware business and just put MAC OS on on Windows P.C.'s right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2669">TS</a>]
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00:44:57 ◼ ► software just your hardware the nobody wanted. Why don't you just put on generic X. Eighty six hardware. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2697">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► And now you're out of business you should listen to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2703">TS</a>]
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00:47:00 ◼ ► and you're right about the lag like there was no good way out for Nintendo in those areas I think Me Tender should pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► no attention to the smartphone space. Because they can't be a player there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2825">TS</a>]
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00:47:45 ◼ ► on each day you're doomed well they weren't so doom there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► But yeah I don't think they could pull that off second time and they didn't. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► I think part of the part of the problem with that is that the we was really successful because of this fad that that it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2872">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► You know it is totally not a fad a fad is something that like you know comes and goes quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► and as has no lasting value the motion control. I would say that is that what you said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► Coming goes quickly and has no not. No lasting value. I bet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2891">TS</a>]
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00:48:26 ◼ ► modern console has motion control coming out the butt but it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2906">TS</a>]
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00:48:35 ◼ ► The Macintosh lost the Windows does that go we thing was just a fad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► And yet now every modern computer has a good about it they're not a Macintosh So I guess the whole do thing was a fad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► motion control was not a fad. Well that's not a fair. That's on a fair assessment. I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2923">TS</a>]
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00:49:12 ◼ ► and eventually goes away like a computer needs software so if you've got a Macintosh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► and people to start making applications for it and do most enough for the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2956">TS</a>]
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00:49:25 ◼ ► Like I played the few games that I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► and I used to the software have all the new applications are coming up for Windows so I put the Nikon claws [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2968">TS</a>]
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00:49:35 ◼ ► Like it's a platform you do need software to be release for it and making it standard definition didn't help. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► And Nintendo's relationship with third parties didn't help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► and eventually the only thing available on the way were terrible crappy shovelware ports of like ancient P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► Games or last gen console games. And all the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► New titles people want to play Warren available of the we had also what do you need to keep playing we sports for eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► years because you're not going to go into the closet it's a platform right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/2996">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► But you can't say that the Welsh in control with a fad and it went away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► and that's why it's because no one made new games for it no one made new exciting popular games where were everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► else wanted to play like you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► Mass Effect and the new hello games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► and even of an exclusive jazzy multipart word Grand Theft Auto Call of Duty Modern Warfare like all these games came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► out their vailable for P.C. Three sixty and P S three P.C. Via three sixty or P S three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► Never the way because the we can't play because it was too weak. It just aged out. No no one made no software for it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► So what you're saying is I was right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► No it's not it's not just the motion control was a fad you're saying like oh I didn't say that much control as a fat I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► said the way it was a fad. It's the way it is not a fad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► The we was just a console didn't have a good third party support the Game Cube a similar as the games you've got older. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3039">TS</a>]
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00:50:49 ◼ ► and intend it was really bad about third party support because it's caught between what we can support our own platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► And what we kind of want third party games to round out the platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► but we don't really care those guys make any money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3058">TS</a>]
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00:51:20 ◼ ► It was like is like this when I had twenty six hundred the Atari where eventually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► Everybody was making twenty six hundred games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► and just devalued the entire you know concept so we as a product was a good idea and a good product. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► The relationship with third parties was terrible and they didn't support it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► and it just fizzled out I mean any console can do that like if any of the other console makers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► Had the same problem that they put out hardware that was too weak to play modern games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► and didn't have a good relationship with third parties they would fizzle out and die too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► If Nintendo would simply made a Playstation four with a second screen on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► And had Sony or Microsoft level of intelligence about third party support. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► There we would be selling like hotcakes because who wouldn't want to P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3116">TS</a>]
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00:52:02 ◼ ► and eat it too is no reason you have to choose you know two things. Except for price. But Nintendo has always. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► You know said what we want to keep it as cheap as possible and we think the work great in a did with the we kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► but even that ran into their stupidity about third party relationships. Well. The reason I brought up this thing that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3134">TS</a>]
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00:52:26 ◼ ► It's always a flawed strategic flaw in business if you. If you don't really recognize. Why you are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► You have been facile in the past or the present. Because you know if you. If you attribute president past success. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► To the wrong factors. Then you'll probably do the wrong things on your next project in Europe coming. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► You know direction. And so I think from intended to say. You know. Oh well the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► The we sold really really well and therefore we have to keep doing. Gimmicks like this. It's not a gimmick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► Well hold on. So this is kind of been intended M.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► In the last few generations of consuls where you know it used to be in the olden days of like eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► and sixteen bit into any even the N sixty four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► and tender was basically doing the same kinds of things as everyone else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► And in some ways they would do they would do things better. And they had these awesome games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► To carry them and to really be that the foundation of their business that we was this new hardware gimmick that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► Excuse me this new hardware method that. That was very successful in the market. Briefly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► You know it met at least in that one generation and years and briefly for eight years well OK. Regardless. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► It was very successful be and I had this new hardware thing. This new kind of thing. The. D.S. Had these two screens. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► But is the reason it was very successful because it had two screens or because Intel made really good games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► and they happen to make the best portable game system. And it happened to have two screens. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► You're right there Miss attributing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► but it's not that mess education because the like that we sold an amazing number of that because it had a novel input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► to write your problem and here's his Nintendo's problem is that they competed with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► You know Sony and the original Playstation one in ten sixty four that was kind of the turning point was for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► and a little bit of the as any US as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► And they didn't do as well as they thought they should it we have a great product we have a great. Games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► Why are we losing to Sony this newcomer into the market why are we having trouble with Sagan there you know Genesis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► and stuff like that we should be crushing them where Nintendo we should do great out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► And the Game Cube really brought the do ahead with likes the game he was in it's an amazing piece of hardware. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► It was the best console of that generation Harbor wise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► And we should really be killing these guys why don't we made this thing and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► And we came in last place why why don't people want to buy our stuff is our nor games good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► And so when the we came around the like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► We keep failing we need to do something different and they look back at why they had failed and I said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► I think we fail because we're not giving people something different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► We're just trying to make the same thing as everyone else and they said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► Here's what we can do mill like something different to how about we use motion drone they're actually think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► motion control for the game he was well demotion to troll and they couldn't figure out why they kept losing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► and they're losing because they're just obstinate about third party relationships with other developers like Sony one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► because it was nice to third parties intent always want to screw them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► Because intent was that we sell our first party games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► and you pass through the nose to for the privilege of being on our platform and another company came in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► and said we won't be such bastards to third parties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► and intend to continue to refuse to believe that that's why everyone is crushing the was not because they make better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► hardware. It's sure as hell not because they make better first party games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► It's because the not jerks a third parties and Nintendos bills want to hear that and. Unfortunately the idea that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► Here's what the problem with the problem was we didn't make something that was there was interesting enough we're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► doing the same thing there are no he doesn't mention that work for them they said Aha See that was it wasn't that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► that stuff people saying about us not having a good relationship with third parties was just because we want to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3357">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► when it came time to make that we you they said we could do that thing again where we make something new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► and so they made something new and it is new and interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► It's just not as interesting as motion control is coming from a previous you know. World Without motion control. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► And they kept having that we card where. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► And it fell on its face because you know they continue not to realize that the reason they keep failing is because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► don't have good. Again. If you could buy Nintendo console and had all the modern games on it. All of that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► You know ahead Grand Theft Auto had called duty had everything it looked at it looked great it was competitive Are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► Any third party game here off the neck that you should be sure it will be on the new Nintendo console it was just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► the three sixty or the P S three sometimes on the recently sometimes on the P S three. It's probably on the P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► Intent was not even in that conversation for multiple generations now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► And if they can't be in the conversation the only people are going to buy Nintendo console are people who just want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► for the first party games. And it's their stupidly limiting themselves. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► I was wonder if there's a parallel to Apple here in that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► Apple is getting more and more anger directed at them by third party developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► and we've we've gone through the ratings kerfuffle thousand times and the review kerfuffle a thousand times and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► I was fiddling with with certificates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► and provisioning profiles last night for fast HAXTON I want to throw myself off the roof of my house and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► I thought I'm definitely reaching here. But I can't help but wonder if. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► Nintendo and Apple both were were or are in a position where they had the ability to be smug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► and to act like the king of the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► And eventually what we've seen with Nintendo is that didn't last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► and the more friendly to third party developers up starts came around and eat their lunch and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► I'm being overdramatic but I can't help but wonder if that's the future for Apple if. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► If they don't start improving things like i Tunes connect improving things like developer relations and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3484">TS</a>]
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00:58:14 ◼ ► but I don't know it just it strikes me as a vaguely parallel path. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3494">TS</a>]
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00:58:27 ◼ ► and is just like is that carryover kind of more like Microsoft. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► Where they were in a dominant as long as Michael was but they were as dominant as Microsoft for a brief moment in time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► And that's their image of themselves. And even a change of C.E.O. Is like the change of C.E.O.'s at the old guy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3516">TS</a>]
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00:58:52 ◼ ► and something Tendo is back on top of the Consul heat but again. They're on top like they were. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► They didn't recognize their previous problems they just happen to find something else that would give them a turbo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► but they kept all the old same old attitudes like the expectation that you can make a new console. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► And do it just like that we again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► and think that everything will work out fine because you know to be that much more amazing that everyone else like it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3548">TS</a>]
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00:59:25 ◼ ► or whatever like you just get an image in your head of like where Microsoft where the king of everything obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3565">TS</a>]
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00:59:46 ◼ ► To the other developers with almost like if you look at Apple's developer tools for writing. Apps for i OS. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► Yeah we may complain about them and everything but compare it to phone development. Before the i Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► Like you know using X. Code to write applications for i OS is so far beyond. Using whatever the S.T.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► To write Nokia phones. Nokia apps or whatever. It's like night and day. And so no wonder. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► Suddenly Apple has tons of third party support for applications in every other phone platform just goes away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► Nintendo is not that bad compared to their competitors but Nintendo's strength is not making developer tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3616">TS</a>]
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01:00:28 ◼ ► and intended same thing with online X. Box Live in the Playstation Network. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► Again they're not great at it but intend it was terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► And so it's kind of like intended was the king a long time ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► and that everything worse than all the competitors now except make fun games. And does those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► You know it's that stuff is coming home to roost. Do you think some part of it also is. You know back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► Back in the sixteen bit. Era. I mean it actually even thirty two slash excuse for era. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► The first one that back then the best games for a platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3656">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► The both both the best critically acclaimed ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► and the ones that would sell the most were usually first party games by the platform vendor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► And that is no longer the case these days far as I know it seems like these days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► The big blockbuster games are made by third parties who have really no reason unless they have some kind of big pricey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► business deal. The really have no reason to limit themselves to just one of the consuls. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3680">TS</a>]
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01:01:27 ◼ ► or the latest Madden football you can learn anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► And it's in their best interest to put out the games for all the console then so it's a lot less of an advantage to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► have the strong first party library as it used to be because most of the games people are buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► and getting excited about are available on the platforms. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► It's so expensive now to make a AAA title that people can afford to have a Swiss is like. If you're going to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► If you're going to be A or something you're going to Madden. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► And someone wants you to make a schools have to their platform is going to like you realize how much money got the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► to do that because in a sort of even horse race between one. When you know between two or three competitors. It's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► Are you going to pay for all the copies that we could have sold on the X. Box. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► You know if the subjects only wanted to be exclusive or pick any game like that like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3729">TS</a>]
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01:02:19 ◼ ► have to pay you to make helos because of the X. Box we bought your whole company. Make for the X. Box only right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► And even that bunch you found a way to rebuild the way out so it's next game could be multi-platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► It's just so expensive it's the only people who can afford to make a game it was who do a platform. Are like gaming. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3748">TS</a>]
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01:02:37 ◼ ► and they'll take whatever cash payout they had to go exclusive or you know. First parties. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► I don't know if there was ever ahead A where the first party games are always the best. I guess maybe in the ne S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► Days I mean intent was always his first part against I've always been you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► Among the best on on any platform anywhere. That's easy one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► Sega I guess they had sonic in the Genesis days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► but was that really the best games that Nintendo the only one who's been so dumb figure out a lot I was a say a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► back then they had a lot of really good games in the and sixteen but era. Even I would even say. For the Saturn. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► You know we didn't sell well. Well. Yeah that was the only only game so to say yes sure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► Even that generation I think Sega have the best having incident. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► I think intended had by far the best and sixty four games. Playstation change the like that was their deal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► Like what think of the first party Playstation as like Crash Bandicoot. You know me well I'm the first the first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► The P.S. One games really were not that great. The P.S. One mainly succeeded. Because the Saturn was a bomb. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► I mean the Saturn. Kind of made space for it. And then sixty four wasn't out yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3813">TS</a>]
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01:03:46 ◼ ► and everything like well it was really bad it's a different intent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3826">TS</a>]
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01:04:00 ◼ ► when the other stuff. You'd have to pay an intended to make your cartridges for you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► And they intend to charge profit on that it's likely like free money like why would he rather we let you make a ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► cent CD. When we can charge you for these are. You know this cartridges. But you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3850">TS</a>]
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01:04:30 ◼ ► but they could be the like with the games your proof that they could be because the Game Cube. Hardware wise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► Was more than a match for its competitors like there's no reason that they can't be because they don't make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► You know they pay a fee I had I.B.M. or Whoever makes you know that like. Yes for an X. Box one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► Is that I am they both have a name D.C.P. Used to. You know like they could. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► Into know can go to the same vendors just like they were the Game Cube. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► You know the Game Cube was even more extreme because I.B.M. and Eighty i were also in the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► Box three sixty S I was like you know there was right there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3899">TS</a>]
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01:05:07 ◼ ► They just chose not to compete in that it's not there's not something structural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► but an intent of that prevents them from making a console they can host all the modern games. As a business choice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► Well I don't know it because it isn't just about the hardware now it's about these online services. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► Integration with cable boxes and stuff like that like it's all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► and intend to really has never shown any interest in doing something is terrible that to and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► There have been slowly like Microsoft the only company that knew anything about online because like you know their P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► Company they know about platforms they know about networking stuff like that Sony didn't know anything about the Sony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► stuff sucked and they slowly learned in a tender stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► Has always sucked continues to sockets like slightly more than Sony. But like it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► It's a it's not outside I think this is something that attendant can do intend it can make online games they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► intended can make like social media. Lobby type things they have done that they just do it badly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► Sony also doesn't that they Microsoft does it less badly but there's nobody who's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► I guess maybe Microsoft is out ahead of both of the other ones but Sony's pretty crappy of that too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3962">TS</a>]
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01:06:10 ◼ ► and again you have to like now it may be a little bit too late but that's so many years like X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► Box Live came out so many years ago. Intended. If they got their head out of the by the reset. Are we suck at this now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► Let's get good at it slowly over many years this works is what Sony did and Sony still terrible at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/3980">TS</a>]
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01:09:17 ◼ ► Well I just want to briefly add and then John all I ask for your two cents. There is somebody tweeted in output. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► A link in the show notes and in the chat and this may not be the originator. The original instance of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► But somebody tweeted a really interesting graphic that basically said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► Hey if you want really fast Netflix that's an additional ten dollars a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► and if you want really fast blah blah blah that's an additional fifteen dollars a month and it was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► It was extremely interesting and a really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► Ominous sign of what Net neutrality could mean or the loss of Net Neutrality could mean for the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► and it was a really clever way to hammer home that if not all traffic is created equal that could lead to some very bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4193">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► things and it's very frightening and just like you said markets very very potentially dangerous for the industry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► Also I thought the Fred Wilson post was really good too Fred Wilson is a good you know know he's a he's a big investor.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► I actually know me really nice guy and his blog is a V.C. Dot com because he is a V.C. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► He had this great post on it. Basically just like these these scenarios. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► Of these the a radical future investor meetings where he's meeting some some you know young. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► Startup founder who wants to. You know get some funding and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► They're describing like oh well I I had this great idea for this new music startup where this is like a new streaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► service going to have these differences no streaming services and he's like sorry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► We can't take that because Apple it already. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► Oh and Spotify and beats of all paid all the telcos to get their transfers not count toward your data allotment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► And you won't have that power money so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► No isn't a buyer service because it's going to count against their data so we were not going to fund you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4253">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► And I it's and that's going to happen with that kind of thing where it's not going to affect everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► and transmitting text all around it's probably not be big enough to to matter get throttled like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► but you know you don't know and there's there's all these other. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► You know dramatically affect any kind of large transfers. Definitely would affect pod cast no question about it and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► And so that that hits home for me certainly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► And it showed for you if you're listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► and so there's there's that aspect is also one that I like a lot was met drench this piece on Apple outsider. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► Where he also you not only does he go into all these other good ones the also says like you know there's also a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► of privacy where now like yeah right now your I.S.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► Can look at everything passing through and where it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► but there's not really much of a reason for them to there's no business case for it so they probably aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► There's not you know they didn't really have motivation do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► but with this they would have to look at everything you're doing and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► And they would have business reasons to do it and so there's massive privacy implications for it as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4315">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► and so there's all these all these problems with. You know what. What a lack of net. All. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► And you know the arguments about free markets and everything else. And you know the regulations benefits in some cases. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► Don't really apply because there's not a lot of competition. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► In most broadband markets and mobile the rules are different and I got enough about this to really talk at length [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► but the rules are different for mobile networks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► And you could look at that and say Well mobile is competition for the broadband which it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► But you know as long as mobile data caps. Can be burned up with like watching Netflix for an hour. I don't think it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► I don't think we're in the same league here and so you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► Home Broadband still has a big role for a lot of people and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► As the cable companies and phone companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► and these home program companies as they add things like phones her HAS TO THEM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► and THEIR OWN on demand video as people start cutting cable service to say oh well. I don't need to pay for your T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4376">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► Service because I just buy everything online those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► I a speech are going to have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► and more really big business reasons to do evil crap like this to do things like throttle. Netflix throttle Skype. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► You know all these all these you know I mean look at what happened with Vonage forever ago if that was one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► first cases. They're going to have reasons to do all this stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► Big business reasons and so you know they're going to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► It's not like they have morals and are sitting around saying oh yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► You know you know we're Verizon we're Comcast reversion to be nice to our customers no they're going to screw you every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► chance you possibly good I mean come on these companies. They have it in their D.N.A. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► To be complete to everybody that's every company that's how companies work that's you know that's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► If there's a business case to do some big thing they're going to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► And so it would be foolish to think that if these companies were permitted to do stuff like this that they wouldn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► and where you're going to turn there's nowhere to go there's chances are you know most people have at most two options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4435">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► for their broadband at home. Usually. Usually you can choose between one cable company a Monday cell company in the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► and I don't I think in the rest of the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► Some places a better some places are worse I think overall it's not that much better on average [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► Generally speaking you have between one and two broadband companies choose from in the U.S. And so. You know if and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► It most places those one or two at the same one or two like there's not that many bias P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► There's like five or six big ones in the whole country maybe and you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► So it doesn't take much like at Comcast over eyes and say OK we're going to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► You know we're not doing this thing that's going to affect like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► You know a quarter of the country or something it's a big number. And so this is a big deal and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► We need regulation like in the role of government regulation is where the market. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► Can't do the right thing for whatever reason where where it's dysfunctional. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4496">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► or completely impractical for the market to do of things that are best for the people for the best for the overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► industry. That's when government regulation is most needed. And that and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► That's definitely case of broadband broadband there is no competition. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► And we need the government elation and it's not happening and that's really scary. As a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► The problem of net neutrality and experience this problem myself with trying to explain to my mother. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► And for all the people are going to complain that I refuse my mother is an example. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► And that's insulting because who's to say the mothers don't know stuff about technology I'm using my mother example as. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► In this case and in many other cases because she's the one of my parents who is most interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4536">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► and knowledgeable about technology. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► So she's the one who's actually willing to entertain discussion with me about net neutrality. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► Not because she is less competent. So let's get the mother as it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► It's not a hypothetical it's my actual mother and actually sponsor and that's the reason I explained to her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► and now my followers I follow doesn't care doesn't know about it doesn't give a crap about it anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4555">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► I try to explain that a trilogy to her. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► And it's difficult in that image that Casey was talking about but showed the big price sheet of like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► So you wanted access well for next five bucks you get Netflix or ten bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► and my impression was not that you get fast Netflix is like Oh so you on Netflix with the Internet that I'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► hijacked and Ahlers Oh so you want to have you know. H.B.O. Go with that that'll be ten X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► Dollars or you want to go on Facebook that'll be twelve extra dollars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► And it's made to look like it does when you buy cable now. You want cable T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► OK Well here's the base price if you're on E.S.P.N. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► It'll be this price and if you want to be a part of our premium package that's twelve dollars like buying a B.M.W. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► You know you've got to get the. You know. The problem with that image as terrifying as it is to nerds. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► Is it a regular person like oh well thirty hired by T.V. and It's not that bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► Reich No it's terrible when you buy to be don't you understand and the television. It's terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► In some ways but on the other hand it also subsidizes a lot of channels that are good things about bundling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► If you go from a situation like it's different because those are services that are being a bundled together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4614">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► and a package of things that you have to pay for and all the things that the pay for this is basically thing a wire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► and saying we're only going to let certain you know it's a negative instead of a positive only let certain things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► write else you want to slight Netflix traffic and pass this amount of money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► And now what Netflix traffic go through your house. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► That's not an Internet service provider anymore that's I don't know what that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► but that's not that's not selling providing access to the Internet that someone preventing you from having access in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► the Internet to varying degrees based on how much you're going to pay them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► or how much they're going to pay the companies or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► The problem with that image I think is it looks too familiar to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► and it won't be terrifying to be able because they don't realize the implications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► and this is the difficulty I have trying to explain. Net neutrality to my mother or to anyone else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► Is that it's very difficult to in part on them like the thing that we all know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► when our Got to like this is the end of the Internet as we know it if you don't have an internet. Interconnected. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► Network of computers they can all talk to each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► but instead have an interconnected series of toll booths that you have to pay money for for information to get one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► birth you know that defeats the entire purpose of the Internet. And you know I speak don't want to be dumb pipes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► And we all want to be dumb pipes and that's the constant tension it's there between us and them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► and the role of government regulation like. In any free market type system. It's not like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► When companies can't do the right thing it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► The incentives are aligned for companies to make to maximize their profits. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► And if those are the only incentives in the system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► Then yeah the companies will go off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► and do those things that will cause incredible damage in the long run because that will make the most profits the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► know. Become monopolies we have anti-monopoly laws and you know if. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► If they will and net neutrality be they will make them more money we need to counterbalance that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► and the counterbalance can't be other private market companies like the something someone said to me on Twitter. Well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► If I a speech do this won't other net neutral as pieces crop up to compete with them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► That's that's an interesting fantasy scenario but unfortunately with the exception of wireless. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► and fiber optic cables going to be able to house is is the barrier to entry to say OK well Comcast is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4737">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► and Verizon is terrible. And they're all not neutral anymore. Longer start my own eyes P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► Great Well let me know when you run wires to everybody's house in the United States. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► That's that's a significant barrier to entry or even for wireless let me know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► when you pay for all the spectrum you plan to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► and again the regulations are different about divvying up spectrum between people in common carrier stuff in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► thing with the wires this summer Galatians this area ready. But you can't rely on the private market. Not to to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► Told the room that neutrality because they will make them more money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► and if their companies they're trying to make more money that are not trying to be magnanimous or advance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► Civilization they're trying to make more profit so there needs to be a counterbalance that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► and that's why all the nerds are helping the government fulfill its role as being a counterbalance to private industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► to prevent private industry. From doing what it does like those machines are aligned in a certain way to make money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► and do that right to the point where they start causing damage in the needs to be a counterbalance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► And it's just it's too esoteric and weird. And nerdy and even even if it's small the happens. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► Like it's it will just happen in pieces one of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► and everyone who was happening to were to simply accept it as the way things are until two generations from now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► The Internet could be dead as we know it and no one would care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► and no more never put up a fuss is one of those type of things like you know a slow moving type of disaster where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► have to kind of be a little bit chicken little and say The sky is falling to get people's attention. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► Otherwise this terrible thing will slowly happen to them. And you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► And they'll they'll accept it like they want to even wake up one day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► and be induced hope you know just like was just the way things are just the way things have always been a well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► You know I'm glad we don't have much say about this. Yeah let's talk about some of the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► Well we weren't talking about the events regarding that a tragedy in general that concept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4842">TS</a>]
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01:21:20 ◼ ► Make my living on the Internet in the same way that say Marco does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► Obviously still indirectly make my living on the Internet because the consulting that I do in my day job is all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/4884">TS</a>]
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01:25:21 ◼ ► I P V six will be a topic for another show and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5121">TS</a>]
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01:25:41 ◼ ► Marco talked about it before the Ninette neutral internet has been the largest driver of free market like capitalism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5141">TS</a>]
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01:26:38 ◼ ► and to destroy that just so I speed can make more money it's so insane. And again this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5198">TS</a>]
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01:27:06 ◼ ► to the right thing here. You know like it's it's it's terrible it's too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5226">TS</a>]
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01:27:21 ◼ ► understand that he did such a thing that unlike Nope still don't get it. I need. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5241">TS</a>]
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01:27:31 ◼ ► Well with that let's wrap and I thank flood two or three sponsors. Lynda dot com. Harvest and fracture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► And we will see you next week. Now the show is over. They didn't even mean to be good because it was accidental. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► It was accidental. John didn't believe Casey would count because it was accidental. It was accidental. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5271">TS</a>]
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01:33:27 ◼ ► Tenor I.O.'s whether we'll have an Intel or an ARM processor whether has an ARM processor that runs. Oh S. Ten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5607">TS</a>]
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01:33:42 ◼ ► but the problem is that the size of the i Pad is not really what the hell what's holding it back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5622">TS</a>]
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01:33:57 ◼ ► The size of the holding it back there are uses of the i Pad where people want to bigger size like I had asked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► Twitter a couple of weeks ago when this for a first came out like. You know what. What a bigger I've had even solve. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► You know who's really asking for that. And the most common responses were either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:14 ◼ ► Nobody I like my many or it was of course really you know a bunch of geeks follow me so now. It was that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5654">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► but it was also a lot of people who do music production in particular said that they would love a lot more screen space. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► And so that and there's a few other. You know. Verticals like this where you know. More screen face would be nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► On the i Pad and would be worth the extra size but for the most part I truly don't think it's mass market and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► The problem is that. The size of the screen is not holding back. Pro usage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► What's holding back her usage and this is what they were talking about the prompt. Is I.O.'s. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► And the structure of the restrictions of violence. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5693">TS</a>]
01:34:56 ◼ ► And this is not an easy problem to solve this is like the multitasking system is really extremely rudimentary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5696">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► and I.O.'s and very limited. Document. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► Models and file storage and sharing data between applications and all that stuff is extremely primitive on I O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:16 ◼ ► and Says so limited. That's really most of the problem and if you're going to make a quote pro I.I.S. Device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5716">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► I.O.'s itself needs major changes and that's not going to happen quickly or easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► and many of those changes would actually make I.O.'s worse. At its core functions and so they probably aren't like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► I'm guessing that this kind of pro i O. S. Is probably not really happening. And I think. I think the pro. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5736">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► The the i Pad Pro The pro. Super compact mac is the math book air. Super Committee. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► Apple device I think it's the MacBook Air. I think. And we ran it about this before which I got some flack for but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:56 ◼ ► But action a process that's funny on the prom Federico was arguing with with a point that I didn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5756">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► and he clarified that of the very beginning but most listeners I think missed that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:07 ◼ ► And so they were telling me oh he was he was ripping you a part of the problem he actually wasn't actually agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5767">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► most of us that I think. But anyway. You know if you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► If you're hitting these massive barriers with the i Pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► and having to jump through all the different hoops of balancing between ten different apps in these weird your all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► schemes that are kind of have to gather and and try to share data and weird. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:30 ◼ ► Weird methods because you can't share it directly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5790">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► If you're if you're doing jumping through all these hoops and doing all these weird hacks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► Maybe a MAC is really the better solution for you and for pro work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► If what you want to do does not fit comfortably in an i Pad and eleven X. MacBook Air is really not that much bigger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► And it's not that much more money than a reasonably well equipped i Pad and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► And it will last longer probably And you know it's. It's just like. I think the border is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5814">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► If you're if you are needing to use a keyboard. On the i Pad frequently like a ha. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:06 ◼ ► If you're if you're buying a hardware keyboard. And using it frequently. You'll probably get a better served by a mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5826">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► Say I want to say this for a regular show but you know our job it was the sole law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► and I thought I knew this would be quick I figured I'd burn it. I mean I have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► I have I actually have a quick thing to say about it as I think I'll sentence that again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► and say that I'm pretty sure I'm the first person who I recall. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► Like I didn't hear anyone else say i Pad Pro when I talk about a hyper kind of up so dear is ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► I don't remember how it came up but I mention that I'm very interested in a larger more powerful i Pad and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► You know I don't know if i said i Pad probably did because the obvious name for it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► Years and years ago I were you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► Basically as soon as the first i Pad came out it way to blow before there was a mini. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► I wanted a bigger more powerful I pet. You know and i Pad Pro. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► And I said no it's not going to happen anytime soon but you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► And Marcus question Twitter reminded me of this because he was like Who the hell's asking for a bigger i Pad because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5876">TS</a>]
01:38:02 ◼ ► Mark was old now and he had forgotten or not listening that upset hypercritical right as far as I'm asking for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5882">TS</a>]
01:38:07 ◼ ► And the reason I'm out and I'm also a mini user but anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5887">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► The reason I keep thinking about and I've had pro in the reason I was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:13 ◼ ► when I probe of years ago if you turn your two. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5893">TS</a>]
01:38:16 ◼ ► and has nothing to do with these rumors bitched as many people point out could just be you know the new twelve inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5896">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► MacBook Air form factor whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► You can screen size rumors like Apple is ordering screens of excise there are four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:29 ◼ ► and then every product they could possibly fit that screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5909">TS</a>]
01:38:31 ◼ ► and you know like it's been a new retina MacPro they're going to put seven of those screens together anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5911">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► Ignoring like that. Why do why do we care about and i Pad for a Why do I think this i Pad Pro thing and it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► I US is in their user experience in the macro most people think everyone would agree on that which probably means that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► I.O.'s or something like ice is the future of computing and if I was the future of computing or something like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► That means that anything we can do on our mac today. Will want to do something that's more like I was in the future. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5936">TS</a>]
01:39:03 ◼ ► And that will mean that I was devices need to get bigger and more powerful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5943">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► Just the hardware Yes also the software is a simple logical progression. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► You're going to want to do more stuff with I was devices because I was the future. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5951">TS</a>]
01:39:15 ◼ ► I rest of Ice's are going to have to get both bigger and smaller probably not much smaller than they are now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5955">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► They're going to get bigger and more powerful someday that it's not all probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:23 ◼ ► but some of the things we do in our mac. That we can't do and i Pads today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5963">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► We will have to be able to do and i Pads because they're the future. So they're going to think a bigger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► They're going to have to get more powerful and yes they're going to get more capable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► and that's it that's that's the calculus is you know how to say they're going to come out now or this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:37 ◼ ► or next year and I can't come out before until software changes of course all that is true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5977">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► but like that all the things I was getting rid of that we don't like anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:45 ◼ ► They're not coming back are not going to be a new device that comes out this more complicated than the Mac like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5985">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► going. It's the other direction right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► I was going to have to get more capable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:54 ◼ ► and hopefully not get as complicated as the Mac like the whole Continuum I was someone I and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5994">TS</a>]
01:39:59 ◼ ► and Max On the other where they meet in the middle what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/5999">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► but that form factor tablet form factor is going to become more capable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► You're going to be able to do more stuff with it so the have to have a bigger more powerful one someday. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:11 ◼ ► but I continue to wait for it because it's in there you see I asked to see the tablet I was shocked Well I can barely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6011">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► do anything on this thing now. But. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► I can imagine a future where I can do way more with this thing and that way more is going to require a bigger screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► and more power. And so that's that's that's my simple explanation for the i Pad Pro because it has to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► It has to assume some of the mantle of the Mac. Eventual e. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► It will assume some of the mantle the knack of actually or will just go away and be replaced by something different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► but it has to do you know tablet form factor has to do that and so it's going to bigger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:43 ◼ ► You know but that doesn't any Nothing you just said imply a difference. So when. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6043">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► When i hear i Pad Pro with that indicates to me is that there's going to be a clear delineation between i Pad regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:55 ◼ ► and i Pad Pro be that much larger screen size which to me is a weak line and a dash line if you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6055">TS</a>]
01:41:02 ◼ ► or much better much better processor much more RAM or a much bigger. It's got to have a bigger screens us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6062">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► But see I just I don't see why because one of the things that a mac can do that i OS devices can't do is a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:16 ◼ ► stuff at once and a bunch of stuff at once means. The thing you're doing probably can't take up the entire screen and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6076">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► If you're going to divide the screen up in any possible way you need more screen. That's it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► But I was the sum of the beauty of I O. S. Is not being able to do more than one thing at once. True. All true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:34 ◼ ► Like I'm not saying that's going to go away saying well you wouldn't want to divvy up you like imagine giving up an i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6094">TS</a>]
01:41:40 ◼ ► Phone screen now you have to i Phone app side but know this too small right. And even a full size current i Pad screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6100">TS</a>]
01:41:47 ◼ ► I don't think you wanted to be that up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6107">TS</a>]
01:41:49 ◼ ► But if you're going to be using a tablet device to like development like the new version of Xcode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6109">TS</a>]
01:41:53 ◼ ► and twenty twenty seven only runs on I O. Us right. You could want to see more than one thing at once. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6113">TS</a>]
01:41:59 ◼ ► And you need more screen space to do it the same reason we all have multiple windows on our Macs now we're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6119">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► be a multi window interface like that's too complicated right. But that's a continuum and you can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:09 ◼ ► If you want to do more stuff with i OS you need to see more things I want and you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6129">TS</a>]
01:42:12 ◼ ► And it's not a smart idea to get this thing screen size and chop them up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6132">TS</a>]
01:42:16 ◼ ► So I think it's inevitable that a certain point you need more screen space to do otherwise it was saying maximum to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6136">TS</a>]
01:42:21 ◼ ► around forever and that is nothing you can do on a mac today that you can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6141">TS</a>]
01:42:25 ◼ ► and I left that ever going to jump ship to like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6145">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► Well previously you couldn't do that and I was but now you can appreciate all you needed to mak do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:31 ◼ ► but now you can actually get away with it and I was we've already seen that happen in small degrees. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6151">TS</a>]
01:42:35 ◼ ► Eventually we're going to reach a point where you say well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6155">TS</a>]
01:42:37 ◼ ► The only way we could ever do that and i OS is we need to be able to see more than one thing at once. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6157">TS</a>]
01:42:42 ◼ ► And we can't do that on existing screens eyes that we need a big screen and a new O.-S. and A new. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6162">TS</a>]
01:42:46 ◼ ► You know paradigm for how we're doing that whether it's the Windows eight way with Devean half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6166">TS</a>]
01:42:50 ◼ ► or like they've got to come up with some of that because the need to do more than one thing at once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6170">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► and see more than one thing at once is not going away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6174">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► Well but we've had throughout puting history we always had specialty devices that could do less. That were. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6177">TS</a>]
01:43:06 ◼ ► That still had a place in the market but they never took over so things like game console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6186">TS</a>]
01:43:10 ◼ ► or probably the best example of this. Where you have like no one with ever saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6190">TS</a>]
01:43:15 ◼ ► Eventually game console are going to be so good they going to replace computers. You're forgetting the goofy again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6195">TS</a>]
01:43:20 ◼ ► It could do less than the command line. But it took over the problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6200">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► The problem I see with with trying to make tablets replace computers the biggest problem by far is the same thing I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:33 ◼ ► On my blog which was horrible in two thousand and nine as Basically there are always rumors apples in a make a tablet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6213">TS</a>]
01:43:41 ◼ ► And I wrote a few articles that were. The gist of it was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6221">TS</a>]
01:43:45 ◼ ► Apple's going to have to solve the input problem because the biggest problem with tablets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6225">TS</a>]
01:43:51 ◼ ► and the reason they have taken off before. Is because of input. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6231">TS</a>]
01:43:55 ◼ ► And because you know you have this weird thing where like you know it's it's trying to do computer tasks but keyboards. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6235">TS</a>]
01:44:04 ◼ ► For tablets have always sucked. Unless they've been full on laptops or that do the convertible thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6244">TS</a>]
01:44:10 ◼ ► In which case they're big and kind of crappy tablets. And so what are they going to do to solve this. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6250">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► And in fact. They didn't solve it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:20 ◼ ► He just punted they basically said you know what version to keep the onscreen keyboard that we have in the i Phone And [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6260">TS</a>]
01:44:25 ◼ ► that's going to work OK. And they did and it does it works OK. You know it's it doesn't work amazingly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6265">TS</a>]
01:44:34 ◼ ► And there's a lot of things that people are demanding real keyboards for for very good reason because real keyboards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6274">TS</a>]
01:44:39 ◼ ► work way better. And so they didn't solve the problem the i Pad. That doesn't mean they ever will doesn't mean that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6279">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► Multitasking on a full on a full computer kind of requires good advanced fast input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:54 ◼ ► and so you not only have to solve the keyboard problem of say an i Pad Pro wouldn't have a keyboard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6294">TS</a>]
01:45:00 ◼ ► Well so OK so maybe well so the bigger problem is. What do you do with the mouse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6300">TS</a>]
01:45:06 ◼ ► Because i OS doesn't and there was a discussion on a talk show this week about this too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6306">TS</a>]
01:45:10 ◼ ► I.O.'s has is not built for a mouse cursor. A mouse cursor doesn't really. I mean you could. Like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6310">TS</a>]
01:45:17 ◼ ► Were you can do it in the simulator but it kind of sucks and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6317">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► It's very clearly not made for that the experience of using a hardware keyboard with an i Pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:25 ◼ ► and having to keep reaching up to the screen with your finger to touch things. Is really terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:29 ◼ ► And so there's there's these major major problems I.O.'s that they would have to solve the eval I mean it's a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6329">TS</a>]
01:45:37 ◼ ► Only in the sense of trying to make it. Replace computers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6337">TS</a>]
01:45:40 ◼ ► When trying to replace compares it is trying to take take some of the functionality that currently are cars computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6340">TS</a>]
01:45:45 ◼ ► and allow it to be done on the i Pad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6345">TS</a>]
01:45:47 ◼ ► That's like this the history of I.O.'s and the i Pad things that previously required a computer and now feasible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6347">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► On I with devices. Well yeah but that like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:56 ◼ ► That's always been the case that Iowa has always been you know expanding its reach a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6356">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► but there are these major barriers that it doesn't really easily cross. Because of things like input and multitasking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:08 ◼ ► Yeah I mean the multitasking problem is not technically difficult but you are wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6368">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► but like I think it has to happen because the alternative is relegating the human race to have to use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6371">TS</a>]
01:46:17 ◼ ► Windowed personal computers of the type of that we know now forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6377">TS</a>]
01:46:20 ◼ ► and they're just too complicated very ill be able to use like they're just the window to interface with file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6380">TS</a>]
01:46:25 ◼ ► access and folders and like. We all love it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6385">TS</a>]
01:46:28 ◼ ► We all think it's great it will always exist for expert users but humanity has voted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6388">TS</a>]
01:46:33 ◼ ► And they want things that they can touch that are not as complicated. And so we are tasked with you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6393">TS</a>]
01:46:39 ◼ ► We have to find a way to make more things possible with the things that people actually want to use that are harder to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6399">TS</a>]
01:46:44 ◼ ► screw up like that's just progress like make it so it's not so complicated as not so much knows it's harder to break. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6404">TS</a>]
01:46:51 ◼ ► Like we've done that with i OS we've done that by shedding almost everything that you know that you can do with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6411">TS</a>]
01:46:56 ◼ ► present computer goes to how much of that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6416">TS</a>]
01:46:57 ◼ ► Can we get back without compromising the complexity and if we screw it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6417">TS</a>]
01:47:00 ◼ ► and bring too much of the computer stuff over die us. And. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6420">TS</a>]
01:47:04 ◼ ► Will need another reboot and let's try this again and start over with a different paradigm. Sometime in the future. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6424">TS</a>]
01:47:08 ◼ ► But I think this is a. What's going to happen is our opportunities to take it to make I was more capable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6428">TS</a>]
01:47:15 ◼ ► The include putting a keyboard on it maybe it does maybe a dozen maybe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6435">TS</a>]
01:47:19 ◼ ► You know what can you do without a keyboard are you do we need a mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6439">TS</a>]
01:47:21 ◼ ► and we not need a mouse we don't like to reach up for the thing like you want to have an on our lap they want to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6441">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► better virtual keyboard it is like. I don't know what the solutions are to these things but like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:30 ◼ ► Baby baby steps would just be you know Windows eight is already doing it with like if you've got a big enough screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6450">TS</a>]
01:47:35 ◼ ► Sometimes you want to see a Twitter app on the side by your working other app or something you want to copy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6455">TS</a>]
01:47:39 ◼ ► and paste from one after the other about doing a switch type thing like larger screen being able to see more in thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6459">TS</a>]
01:47:44 ◼ ► and once it is a small step in that direction. And if done well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6464">TS</a>]
01:47:48 ◼ ► Can open up lots of functionality that I haven't listened to the start of the podcast or talking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6468">TS</a>]
01:47:53 ◼ ► But it could open up a lot of functional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6473">TS</a>]
01:47:54 ◼ ► and I soon they're complaining about us like look I just want to do a simple workflow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6474">TS</a>]
01:47:57 ◼ ► or I've got like a graphic get it or in some links in a web page and I'm writing text like you know. Just blogging. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6477">TS</a>]
01:48:02 ◼ ► How much easier it is blogging on a Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6482">TS</a>]
01:48:04 ◼ ► But you have all those things kind of in play at once versus trying to do and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6484">TS</a>]
01:48:08 ◼ ► and you feel like you conflicts watching stuff that as a semantical barrier with some clever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6488">TS</a>]
01:48:17 ◼ ► and just keeping with our fingers just being able to like do a simple blog post synthesizing from some graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6497">TS</a>]
01:48:23 ◼ ► and text and links and stuff. That's like. That's our next step. See I don't think that's the next step. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6503">TS</a>]
01:48:30 ◼ ► These giant and I know everyone's been beaten this to death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6510">TS</a>]
01:48:33 ◼ ► but just in better interact mean occasion because if you look at what the T.G. Is doing with X. Callback U.R.L. and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6513">TS</a>]
01:48:40 ◼ ► And your Else Keams and chaining just ridiculous things together. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6520">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► I feel like if that was less user hostile in it will probably always be a power user sort of thing to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:54 ◼ ► But just a less user hostile way of doing things like whatever the Android does or like Windows phones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6534">TS</a>]
01:49:01 ◼ ► Contract whatever they're called the something right word for it I forgot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6541">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► It is now but as it is intense on Android I think in contract and when is a right. Oh it isn't OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:09 ◼ ► That I think you're right now they say that it doesn't matter that you get the idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6549">TS</a>]
01:49:12 ◼ ► I would love that and eyeless a write in it would be so much nicer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6552">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► But it would enable us to do a lot of things like if you're doing a blog post yes it would be in a perfect world nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:22 ◼ ► to look at something that your comment or writing a post about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6562">TS</a>]
01:49:25 ◼ ► On the left hand side of a landscape screen and your your editor window on the right. But to be honest. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6565">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► You know using your four fingers on an i Pad has to shimmy back and forth between apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► and do the fast apps which NG that's sufficient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:38 ◼ ► and I don't most rather have the hurdle of swapping between apps to see blood. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6578">TS</a>]
01:49:44 ◼ ► To see something that I'm commenting on and then comment on it and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6584">TS</a>]
01:49:48 ◼ ► I'd rather do that then have some crazy scheme of having our No two i Phone app side by side or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6588">TS</a>]
01:49:57 ◼ ► You know or something or something where the screen a split in half if it seems to me like that would be not not fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6597">TS</a>]
01:50:04 ◼ ► but we're talking about the same things that the plumbing that would have done printer been all this display issues are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6604">TS</a>]
01:50:09 ◼ ► kind of. Neither here nor there because again the same the same ability to do more than one thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6609">TS</a>]
01:50:14 ◼ ► Like to have more balls in the air once. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6614">TS</a>]
01:50:16 ◼ ► Would still probably exist on the full size I thought even though they would probably never want to split that screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6616">TS</a>]
01:50:21 ◼ ► Like it's the plumbing that makes it work it's just that when you have more screen space. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6621">TS</a>]
01:50:25 ◼ ► Like think of think of this way America. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6625">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► First got like twenty four inch monitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► or twenty one inches under the monitor is there a way bigger than a preview better like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:33 ◼ ► You know you had a fourteen shells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6633">TS</a>]
01:50:34 ◼ ► and you got twenty one is you need see the Windows user their new twenty one inch monitor like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6634">TS</a>]
01:50:37 ◼ ► This is awesome to have a gigantic monitor and then they would take the notepad window and zoom it to full screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6637">TS</a>]
01:50:43 ◼ ► Fill their entire screen there would be like a text to be a little call never left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6643">TS</a>]
01:50:47 ◼ ► and the whole Bestival be an expanse of white it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6647">TS</a>]
01:50:49 ◼ ► I think you're missing the advantage of having a larger monitor it's not so you could take all your good thing window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6649">TS</a>]
01:50:54 ◼ ► the making huge because I mean people would eventually learn if it wrapping wasn't on that trying to read a lot of text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6654">TS</a>]
01:50:59 ◼ ► that gets two feet wide. Is not comfortable. Like there's a comfortable with for a column of Texas you can your. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6659">TS</a>]
01:51:05 ◼ ► And then once you've made it narrow What are you going to of all you can put something else in that space like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6665">TS</a>]
01:51:09 ◼ ► And that's why I'm game night i Pad probably not that is what everyone's going to use instead of a P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6669">TS</a>]
01:51:13 ◼ ► or Not that everyone who has an i Pad is going to get one. Just that they will exist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6673">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► Kind of like the mac pro of the i Pad line that will exist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6676">TS</a>]
01:51:20 ◼ ► A tablet type device for artists for graphic designers maybe even for code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6680">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► or is if like you put a keyboard in front of the next code like. Instead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:27 ◼ ► Imagine architects drafting table with a keyboard in front of it where it's all flat you're not reaching up at a screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6687">TS</a>]
01:51:33 ◼ ► Like there are endeavors that you might be able to do worry like this is less complicated than a mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6693">TS</a>]
01:51:38 ◼ ► and I can get all the same things done and once you get a larger screen like that you know like well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6698">TS</a>]
01:51:43 ◼ ► You know all the plumbing is there I could do this with a forefinger swipe or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6703">TS</a>]
01:51:46 ◼ ► but I've got this gigantic screen it's like one hundred twenty inches. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6706">TS</a>]
01:51:50 ◼ ► And it's beautiful touchscreen I can do these amazing things with and everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6710">TS</a>]
01:51:53 ◼ ► But sometimes I just want to see more than one thing at so they have to come up with some solution that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6713">TS</a>]
01:51:57 ◼ ► and the solution can't be a bunch of windows that sucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6717">TS</a>]
01:51:59 ◼ ► and we're just making the same stuff come back that we had before so I don't know what the solution is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6719">TS</a>]
01:52:04 ◼ ► But I think that's that's inevitable. If we ever want to leave behind the crappy things the that our computers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6724">TS</a>]
01:52:13 ◼ ► But still get some of those advantages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6733">TS</a>]
01:52:15 ◼ ► and some around that will still be the all the single screen phone that will still be the regular size I present all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6735">TS</a>]
01:52:19 ◼ ► people use. I'm just thinking of and that's the reason the pro is the name. The the i Pad Pro used by three D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6739">TS</a>]
01:52:27 ◼ ► Modelers graphic designers people doing page layout of pages still exist anywhere maybe a few people doing web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6747">TS</a>]
01:52:32 ◼ ► development maybe even people working in Xcode doing i OS devices. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6752">TS</a>]
01:52:37 ◼ ► Hell maybe you could have one of the other windows could be your simulator. While you do real time updates and X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6757">TS</a>]
01:52:42 ◼ ► Code and it can recombine as your stuff in read time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6762">TS</a>]
01:52:45 ◼ ► and you watch the the changes take effect in real time on the other things like you had it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6765">TS</a>]
01:52:48 ◼ ► and then a programming language but not really going to what be very cool. But doesn't the. The move for O.-S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6768">TS</a>]
01:52:55 ◼ ► Tend to be more. I O. S. Like most specifically around full screen windows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6775">TS</a>]
01:53:01 ◼ ► And how that that support is gotten a lot better in Mavericks. And it's actually kind of usable now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6781">TS</a>]
01:53:11 ◼ ► Some sort of windowing system isn't the right answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6791">TS</a>]
01:53:14 ◼ ► and I know I'm harping on something that I really shouldn't harp on but I just don't see how any sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6794">TS</a>]
01:53:19 ◼ ► when doing is really the right answer I think it's something else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6799">TS</a>]
01:53:22 ◼ ► It can't be that kind of Windows system and with the stand again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6802">TS</a>]
01:53:26 ◼ ► Like O.S.'s trying to become my more I was like and I was just trying to do more things that previously only O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6806">TS</a>]
01:53:32 ◼ ► Attend could do. And I don't know who will. Lurch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6812">TS</a>]
01:53:36 ◼ ► and how that will go one like it I think my impression is that it's harder to make a macro is ten simpler Austin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6816">TS</a>]
01:53:42 ◼ ► simpler than it is to make I was more capable so I would imagine that's why I think the future is making I was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6822">TS</a>]
01:53:47 ◼ ► capable and not. We can simplify us ten till it's just a simple virus you'll never do it nor should you ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6827">TS</a>]
01:53:53 ◼ ► It would just be a disaster better to start with what you were so smart to start really simple and I O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6833">TS</a>]
01:54:00 ◼ ► It's probably not going to be Windows like full screen mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6840">TS</a>]
01:54:02 ◼ ► and Austin is a great example to go like now we've made it simpler No you've actually just made it more complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6842">TS</a>]
01:54:08 ◼ ► because it could be left all the existing ones because you can't get rid of the existing windowing system and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6848">TS</a>]
01:54:12 ◼ ► But now you have another mode to go into and I us to have the opportunity to do something better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6852">TS</a>]
01:54:19 ◼ ► and I'm not sure what it is or how to work but it can't be like less than Windows. So it seems like the kind of jobs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6859">TS</a>]
01:54:27 ◼ ► Forestall dynasty. Was pushing for this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6867">TS</a>]
01:54:31 ◼ ► For the mac to become more or less like for us to you know get better but for the most part.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6871">TS</a>]
01:54:36 ◼ ► The you know the that era of Apple was pulling pulling the mac towards I.L.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6876">TS</a>]
01:54:43 ◼ ► And it seems like you know now in the Tim Cook era. And the restructuring of the divisions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6883">TS</a>]
01:54:50 ◼ ► It seems like Apple is has become more confident in keeping the mac. The MAC and not trying to make the mac. I O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6890">TS</a>]
01:55:01 ◼ ► and John you've you've kind of been on this to like all this talk about these two like you know merging eventual E. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6901">TS</a>]
01:55:08 ◼ ► Has this built in assumption that that would be a good idea and that's inevitable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6908">TS</a>]
01:55:12 ◼ ► And I would question both of those things. I would say that you know. We saw what happened when. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6912">TS</a>]
01:55:20 ◼ ► When Apple tried to make the mac. More or less like. It kind of sucked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6920">TS</a>]
01:55:24 ◼ ► And everything you're talking about about what I.O.'s would need to become more pro. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6924">TS</a>]
01:55:32 ◼ ► A lot of ways that would make I less worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6932">TS</a>]
01:55:34 ◼ ► Well I mean it's it's like I said the mavericks of you with picking the right things what they what the forestall jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6934">TS</a>]
01:55:39 ◼ ► thing was like they were picking the wrong things to make the mac I.O.'s like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6939">TS</a>]
01:55:43 ◼ ► They pick some of the right things like the right things they did pick. We like for example. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6943">TS</a>]
01:55:49 ◼ ► The App Store is a better way to deal with you know ignoring like the policy stuff just in terms of the mechanics of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6949">TS</a>]
01:55:55 ◼ ► like installing applications. It's better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6955">TS</a>]
01:55:58 ◼ ► The app store away than it used to be where you go to Web page download a D.M.G. Amount of all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6958">TS</a>]
01:56:02 ◼ ► That's a simple the case in that came from my it doesn't necessarily have to look like I was a work the same way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6962">TS</a>]
01:56:07 ◼ ► finder is need to be replaced with. You know Launch Pad Mini with little shaky icons and excellent did that too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6967">TS</a>]
01:56:13 ◼ ► But the key feature is dealing with installing applications is a pain in the but it's not a pain in the butt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6973">TS</a>]
01:56:19 ◼ ► and I.O.'s can we bring that simplicity to the MAC and they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6979">TS</a>]
01:56:22 ◼ ► and they brought a bunch of other crappy baggage with it right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6982">TS</a>]
01:56:24 ◼ ► It's just about picking the right thing so if you're going to go the other direction say we want to make I was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6984">TS</a>]
01:56:29 ◼ ► Don't pick the crappy things that just make it is complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6989">TS</a>]
01:56:32 ◼ ► and evil is the mac you got to find the right things like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6992">TS</a>]
01:56:34 ◼ ► It's not like you're bringing a feature over your bring a capability. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6994">TS</a>]
01:56:37 ◼ ► Can I can I instruct someone over the phone on how to purchase and install an application on a Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/6997">TS</a>]
01:56:42 ◼ ► Previously you could it's. Now you can write a good job on install. Not great right. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7002">TS</a>]
01:56:50 ◼ ► The like is just a tiny little bit like it's what I keep talking about falling off the Russian rough edges of all US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7010">TS</a>]
01:56:56 ◼ ► All the parts of it that are like complicated in ways that normal people shouldn't have to care about need to go away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7016">TS</a>]
01:57:02 ◼ ► And you've got and just do that part and not try to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7022">TS</a>]
01:57:05 ◼ ► and we need to make this application look like an address book as it looks like that and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7025">TS</a>]
01:57:09 ◼ ► and it's like no that's not that's not the important part of you know the important part of like seamless data sinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7029">TS</a>]
01:57:14 ◼ ► through the cloud and blah blah and they kind of screwed that right but yeah it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7034">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► It's difficult it's not saying it's an easy job that's what they have to do pick the right things the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:23 ◼ ► capabilities to bring over some of them can't be carried over some of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7043">TS</a>]
01:57:26 ◼ ► Shouldn't be carried over in some of them have to be done in a different way on the target platform. See. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7046">TS</a>]
01:57:32 ◼ ► I would disagree that it's even possible to make a good combination. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7052">TS</a>]
01:57:38 ◼ ► Like the problems that these two very different platforms solve. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7058">TS</a>]
01:57:43 ◼ ► I think there's instrumental differences in attempting to merge I mean look at Windows all you know you're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7063">TS</a>]
01:57:49 ◼ ► Yeah I'm no one as I don't think anyone's argument you're going to both of these will go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7069">TS</a>]
01:57:52 ◼ ► and they were replaced by one thing like that's not going to happen because if you didn't replace it by one thing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7072">TS</a>]
01:57:56 ◼ ► would have to be one thing that has so many different modes that it access to different things like what's the point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7076">TS</a>]
01:58:00 ◼ ► view and have you have Windows eight or exact like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7080">TS</a>]
01:58:03 ◼ ► I could you could just right now make up a new brand name and apply it to both of us ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7083">TS</a>]
01:58:07 ◼ ► and I was a hey we're unified It's one operating system just when you install it on your MCE looks different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7087">TS</a>]
01:58:12 ◼ ► and behave totally different. You're right it's exactly like Windows eight weathers the desktop version. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7092">TS</a>]
01:58:16 ◼ ► And then this metro thing over there. And that's that's not useful to anybody. I think if. If both platforms. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7096">TS</a>]
01:58:23 ◼ ► Maintain their confidence and there they're both OK being themselves. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7103">TS</a>]
01:58:28 ◼ ► I think everyone's better off the platforms Apple the customers. Regular people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7108">TS</a>]
01:58:32 ◼ ► Nerds power users I think everyone is better off because I don't think. Trying to merge these two platforms together. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7112">TS</a>]
01:58:39 ◼ ► Is possible to do well you know. But I think it's the in the things they're doing now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7119">TS</a>]
01:58:44 ◼ ► Of making the max employer and making I was more capable. Is the right thing to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7124">TS</a>]
01:58:49 ◼ ► Carefully cautiously in the right ways. They've already had false starts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7129">TS</a>]
01:58:53 ◼ ► Some thought they tried to make the next employer in ways that were not appropriate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7133">TS</a>]
01:58:55 ◼ ► I mean and the jury's still out on a lot of them like autosave and stuff like kind of the right idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7135">TS</a>]
01:59:00 ◼ ► Kind of not the best implementation but like. In general I. I agree with their motivation and what I owe us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7140">TS</a>]
01:59:08 ◼ ► Thumbs up right the most asking what your was not great is low but better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7148">TS</a>]
01:59:11 ◼ ► and i OS seven right like they're doing it in a little bits and with and with some dead ends and you know like copy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7151">TS</a>]
01:59:17 ◼ ► and paste was a good addition right. As Make I was more capable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7157">TS</a>]
01:59:20 ◼ ► Kind of you know you did that right but there was something you needed like. Baby steps. Sometimes that NS retreat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7160">TS</a>]
01:59:27 ◼ ► Figure out what you did wrong try again. And you know the big reset with i OS seven is another opportunity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7167">TS</a>]
01:59:33 ◼ ► If and when they come out with something like an i Pad Pro and try to enhance I.O.'s to make it a worthwhile product. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7173">TS</a>]
01:59:39 ◼ ► They'll screw up something about it. They'll make it more complicated than it should be the have to. You know I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7179">TS</a>]
01:59:43 ◼ ► Like the multitasking switch or it's like. That wasn't a great multitasking switcher. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7183">TS</a>]
01:59:46 ◼ ► And it's gone now and I don't think many people miss it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7186">TS</a>]
01:59:49 ◼ ► But the idea that you would want to switch applications and that someone could be running. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7189">TS</a>]
01:59:54 ◼ ► or back around apps like that concept was good they just had to figure out the right time to do it the best way to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7194">TS</a>]
01:59:58 ◼ ► it maybe the current implementation is not great but like they're going in the right direction. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7198">TS</a>]
02:00:03 ◼ ► In small pieces and that's look. I look down the line at that. And you're right in there I never see one zero S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7203">TS</a>]
02:00:09 ◼ ► Going on on everything because it doesn't make any sense they would have to be such an incredibly capable as to scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7209">TS</a>]
02:00:13 ◼ ► from a phone up to a P.C. Doesn't make any sense probably in our lifetime. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7213">TS</a>]
02:00:17 ◼ ► But these two products should evolve to adopt each other's benefits to the degree that it's possible an appropriate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7217">TS</a>]
02:00:26 ◼ ► And we actually done now. Marco want to put this topic in the show called Marcos fault. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7226">TS</a>]
02:00:33 ◼ ► God is so mean you just wait until I talk about A.V. Receivers have a time of it all just when we doing that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7233">TS</a>]
02:00:44 ◼ ► Why not good you guys a Google fireworks factory now you probably didn't know what the hell he's talking about on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7244">TS</a>]
02:00:50 ◼ ► right to make another sim Simpsons reference. Yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7250">TS</a>]
02:00:54 ◼ ► Not all my pop culture references from The Simpsons but ninety percent of them are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7254">TS</a>]
02:00:59 ◼ ► I don't you know I have tempted to start software. Methodology. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7259">TS</a>]
02:01:05 ◼ ► Kind of to troll myself and I do really like Romeo and Syracuse yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7265">TS</a>]
02:01:14 ◼ ► What the hell was THAT WERE was I when that happened. There was no instead of the facility I kept a title. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7274">TS</a>]
02:01:19 ◼ ► That's all the compliment the accidental hypercritical pod cast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7279">TS</a>]
02:01:22 ◼ ► It's a terrible title but a great compliment this is not an accident. It was no accident. For somebody X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7282">TS</a>]
02:01:30 ◼ ► and To get that one. No chat rooms you see what I'm dealing with here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7290">TS</a>]
02:01:36 ◼ ► I need some time to commiserate times have you said that I don't they just boggles my mind boggles my mind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7296">TS</a>]
02:01:41 ◼ ► This should totally be part of their drinking game like it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7301">TS</a>]
02:01:44 ◼ ► Yep my part it's this should be on everyone's bigger boards. Do you see what I'm dealing with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7304">TS</a>]
02:01:48 ◼ ► When I when I get mad and become crazy because you guys don't know like the most. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7308">TS</a>]
02:01:55 ◼ ► I mean not that much older than you as you have no excuses no excuse. John. Trolling you might be my theory. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7315">TS</a>]
02:02:05 ◼ ► Thing the world. I mean. I love you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7325">TS</a>]
02:02:06 ◼ ► If you start trolling me it would work because like yours your actual Your actual lack of knowledge about pop culture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7326">TS</a>]
02:02:12 ◼ ► It's like impossible parity that time I've actually seen that movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7332">TS</a>]
02:02:17 ◼ ► but I lie just to annoy you was like well it's no worse than the ones you haven't legitimately seen so it's not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7337">TS</a>]
02:02:22 ◼ ► letting that effective trolling through. But it is there movie you can pretend to not have seen that is more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7342">TS</a>]
02:02:30 ◼ ► That is more implausible to the movie of actually not seeing Forest Gump. Part. No one likes Forrest Gump. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7350">TS</a>]
02:02:39 ◼ ► Speaking of the number fresh listen to Marco he was saying that he had seen the stars it was like Marco was in Star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7359">TS</a>]
02:02:44 ◼ ► Wars I was so proud of you. Yeah. Course although I have not seen any Harry Potters and a lot of the Rings. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7364">TS</a>]
02:02:50 ◼ ► You're not missing anything on the Lord Of The Rings I'll tell you that right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7370">TS</a>]
02:02:52 ◼ ► No Star Trek's I was never a Star Trek guy so. The Aerostar tricks and your. Yeah. I've seen bits and pieces the T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7372">TS</a>]
02:02:59 ◼ ► Show here and there but never never liked that not only watched it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7379">TS</a>]
02:03:03 ◼ ► I see I was a religious next generation San next generation excuse me I'm already making myself some terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7383">TS</a>]
02:03:09 ◼ ► Already controlling. I know I'm showing myself. And John. And then. I watched all of the movies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7389">TS</a>]
02:03:16 ◼ ► Up through like the second or third next generation one if you know which one it was that was the last one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7396">TS</a>]
02:03:21 ◼ ► But I know enough to know that the even so the goods and the journo good. Debatable you should watch the J.J. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7401">TS</a>]
02:03:28 ◼ ► Abrams Star Trek movies they're following sorry I have seen the new ones those are those are very good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7408">TS</a>]
02:03:34 ◼ ► I was talking about like the writer it was Star Trek Generations I think his last one I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7414">TS</a>]
02:03:39 ◼ ► and then there were like four that were the next generation. Cast staff whatever you wanna call him. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7419">TS</a>]
02:03:45 ◼ ► And I missed those last four or whatever was missing too much. And I didn't think you watch the T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7425">TS</a>]
02:03:52 ◼ ► Series sections so you can imagine that crew was not really cut out for action movies. Now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7432">TS</a>]
02:03:57 ◼ ► I mean I love the show Don't get me wrong. But A You're right they're not going to fraction. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7437">TS</a>]
02:04:01 ◼ ► All right some titles here. Sorry yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7441">TS</a>]
02:04:04 ◼ ► So I'm going through the the podcast by Lex and damn morn cult not playing where they go through. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7444">TS</a>]
02:04:12 ◼ ► They go through movies that like everyone has seen that Lex and then more and have not seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7452">TS</a>]
02:04:16 ◼ ► and they like watching for the first time in recorded commentary track. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7456">TS</a>]
02:04:19 ◼ ► Well they did manic and I don't think that the movie ever. Yeah I haven't seen OK I'm looking through here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7459">TS</a>]
02:04:25 ◼ ► So Beverly Hills Cop I've never seen that hard won I don't think I've seen that you've seen some of the recent one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7465">TS</a>]
02:04:33 ◼ ► U.H.F. I did see U.H.F. You're going to drink from the Far as I write it I hated it but I did see it. Field of Dreams. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7473">TS</a>]
02:04:41 ◼ ► I pretty sure I have not seen I might have seen bits and pieces on T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7481">TS</a>]
02:04:44 ◼ ► Here and there but I haven't seen the whole thing I think. I've never seen a mannequin definitely not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7484">TS</a>]
02:04:49 ◼ ► I think I saw that when I was a kid and had inappropriate feelings about it if memory serves sort of LAX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7489">TS</a>]
02:04:55 ◼ ► and Lethal Weapon definitely not lethal weapon I've seen. All I've seen on lethal weapons all the Beverly Hills cops. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7495">TS</a>]
02:05:03 ◼ ► Once the field of dreams never seen you in your Jeff I don't think I've ever seen of course of seen Die Hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7503">TS</a>]
02:05:08 ◼ ► and come on. I'm not now. And that's it I guess. Titles people cannot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7508">TS</a>]
02:05:14 ◼ ► And I don't know how this is how John strolling you commonly off the titles try to think you know that you are the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7514">TS</a>]
02:05:20 ◼ ► looking through the playing I haven't listened good. I don't listen to the capital and under the commentary and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7520">TS</a>]
02:05:25 ◼ ► I don't see any amazing titles. So whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7525">TS</a>]
02:05:29 ◼ ► I'm a big fan of Romeo and Syracuse yet although it will have to as deliver mail correctly which. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7529">TS</a>]
02:05:34 ◼ ► Was people's but I had to look it up and I tweeted about excited made a guess and I was wrong. Stupid name. Not a word. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7534">TS</a>]
02:05:43 ◼ ► And I think they were roaming it's on your do you leave your room and you can roam over your house and the Internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRBFVrs/7543">TS</a>]