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44: A Plague With Very Minor Effects

 

00:00:01 ◼   ► what does your application have going for a brand was that a hideous icon that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/1">TS</a>]

00:00:05 ◼   ► happens to include feet following following brands like a rebranding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5">TS</a>]

00:00:13 ◼   ► effort all you've got going for you is the fact that your icon had feet and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/13">TS</a>]

00:00:17 ◼   ► getting an Orange Julius icon has feet it's like like your own age you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/17">TS</a>]

00:00:22 ◼   ► you're owning the feet so but what if I don't really need to worry about brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/22">TS</a>]

00:00:26 ◼   ► recognition because only like three or four hundred people have ever bought the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/26">TS</a>]

00:00:29 ◼   ► damn thing in the first it doesn't matter is not going they're looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/29">TS</a>]

00:00:33 ◼   ► the feet that's what you've got his feet and you know I think being whimsical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/33">TS</a>]

00:00:37 ◼   ► like that was your instinct that's what you brought to the application you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/37">TS</a>]

00:00:40 ◼   ► feed on that terrible icon you brought that they came from you that is your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/40">TS</a>]

00:00:44 ◼   ► personal creative input into the branding of this application if you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/44">TS</a>]

00:00:47 ◼   ► some other creative input put it in but don't like I wouldn't just throw that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/47">TS</a>]

00:00:50 ◼   ► away you wanted to feed you got feet I kept his feet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/50">TS</a>]

00:00:55 ◼   ► here's one from John dark spelled with an e at the end of dark it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/55">TS</a>]

00:01:02 ◼   ► awesome name of the issue really haven't eaten his first name but he brought up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/62">TS</a>]

00:01:07 ◼   ► an interesting point that I think of when we were talking about the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/67">TS</a>]

00:01:11 ◼   ► lightning connector and the upcoming USB connector that we don't know anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/71">TS</a>]

00:01:17 ◼   ► about other than it's not going to sock and it will be bidirectional wait we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/77">TS</a>]

00:01:20 ◼   ► don't know it's not going to say well it's still very much can suck it I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/80">TS</a>]

00:01:24 ◼   ► I suppose but they're saying all the right things about it and when we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/84">TS</a>]

00:01:28 ◼   ► about that I was saying like it's hard to think of that connect your doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/88">TS</a>]

00:01:31 ◼   ► anything except for something like the Lightning connector not exactly but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/91">TS</a>]

00:01:36 ◼   ► reverse with that but the contacts on the outside and a solid metal thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/96">TS</a>]

00:01:38 ◼   ► instead of being like micro-usb mini-usb where it took a little bent piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/98">TS</a>]

00:01:42 ◼   ► metal crap on the inside because that is very delicate and annoying and crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/102">TS</a>]

00:01:47 ◼   ► and it seems crazy to me that they would make a new connector and make it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/107">TS</a>]

00:01:52 ◼   ► it's like micro USB on our server ssible that's not really great for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/112">TS</a>]

00:01:57 ◼   ► wouldn't be a very big improvement democracy right I suppose they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/117">TS</a>]

00:02:00 ◼   ► still do that but anyway this blog post says okay so say my speculation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/120">TS</a>]

00:02:05 ◼   ► being close to write and produce a connector that is in the style of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/125">TS</a>]

00:02:11 ◼   ► Lightning connector but isn't obviously not allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/131">TS</a>]

00:02:13 ◼   ► connector and say that Apple eventually adopt that because it's a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/133">TS</a>]

00:02:17 ◼   ► connector than the current full-sized USB input in all their products and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/137">TS</a>]

00:02:20 ◼   ► that stuff you would end up with the cable like the one that's drawn in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/140">TS</a>]

00:02:24 ◼   ► blog posted open link yet actually read this post earlier that cable would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/144">TS</a>]

00:02:29 ◼   ► kind of a nightmare don't sugary cuz it looks like lightning on one end and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/149">TS</a>]

00:02:34 ◼   ► made a USB connector on the other that looks like lightning but not really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/154">TS</a>]

00:02:37 ◼   ► it's a little bit thinner and the context or longer and you lose all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/157">TS</a>]

00:02:41 ◼   ► advantages of the reversible capable of the new USB thing and everything and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/161">TS</a>]

00:02:46 ◼   ► know consumers would have trouble figuring out which ended which because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/166">TS</a>]

00:02:49 ◼   ► they look so similar and you have a linear revealed in overtime but maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/169">TS</a>]

00:02:53 ◼   ► even we were messin up of bleary-eyed in the morning trying to plug something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/173">TS</a>]

00:02:57 ◼   ► so that's kind of like the the curse of being first for Apple came up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/177">TS</a>]

00:03:01 ◼   ► lightning connector ball the USB guys kept screwing up their connectors making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/181">TS</a>]

00:03:05 ◼   ► their crappy things and not for a while now I can see Apple's get these great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/185">TS</a>]

00:03:08 ◼   ► connectors on their devices and of course the big fat ugly other end that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/188">TS</a>]

00:03:12 ◼   ► connects your computer is you never get a computer lightning connector right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/192">TS</a>]

00:03:16 ◼   ► if the new USB connector look something like lightning Apple could find itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/196">TS</a>]

00:03:19 ◼   ► in a stranger uncomfortable situation and I don't think they can go USB on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/199">TS</a>]

00:03:23 ◼   ► both ends because of all this you know planning they have a lightning connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/203">TS</a>]

00:03:27 ◼   ► and how it works with all their devices and how that's and change the insides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/207">TS</a>]

00:03:30 ◼   ► will keep him that the characters and all that good stuff well first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/210">TS</a>]

00:03:34 ◼   ► I'm guessing that the USB reversible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/214">TS</a>]

00:03:37 ◼   ► to discuss calling it USB Type C as I do we have this unofficial name the type C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/217">TS</a>]

00:03:42 ◼   ► plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/222">TS</a>]

00:03:43 ◼   ► thanks for the call in the thing that he likes for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/223">TS</a>]

00:03:46 ◼   ► good so we can go so if this if this type C thing ends up coming out be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/226">TS</a>]

00:03:52 ◼   ► reversible and resembling lightning in its general design I would guess almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/232">TS</a>]

00:03:58 ◼   ► certainly it would be wider but by a substantial amount to accommodate all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/238">TS</a>]

00:04:03 ◼   ► depends necessary do usb3 at a reasonable cost us money not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/243">TS</a>]

00:04:08 ◼   ► Lightning country has very very tiny little contact pads and the and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/248">TS</a>]

00:04:13 ◼   ► port is required to have these little tiny pins all that signatures Asian I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/253">TS</a>]

00:04:18 ◼   ► guessing might run afoul of USB his desire to be super cheap and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/258">TS</a>]

00:04:24 ◼   ► and to have pretty broad tolerances so that any idiot can make one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/264">TS</a>]

00:04:28 ◼   ► connectors or ports and at work I'm guessing the connector would not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/268">TS</a>]

00:04:33 ◼   ► nearly as small as lightning and that alone would be a pretty big pretty big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/273">TS</a>]

00:04:36 ◼   ► switch also lets you might realistically speaking here like how likely is it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/276">TS</a>]

00:04:42 ◼   ► the USB people are going to make aspect that's as good as lightning to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/282">TS</a>]

00:04:46 ◼   ► actually easily confused with it like I'm guessing to be in some way clunkier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/286">TS</a>]

00:04:51 ◼   ► and I love you proven wrong and I hope I am wrong on that but I'm guessing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/291">TS</a>]

00:04:55 ◼   ► know looking at their history of how they had to do things when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/295">TS</a>]

00:04:58 ◼   ► prioritize I don't think what they make is going to end up being confusingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/298">TS</a>]

00:05:03 ◼   ► similar to like Apple's easy Appleby that no matter what the Kinect looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/303">TS</a>]

00:05:06 ◼   ► like make the plastic gravity in thinking on the Lightning connector just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/306">TS</a>]

00:05:10 ◼   ► massive so that it's like the same size as the current USB connector on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/310">TS</a>]

00:05:14 ◼   ► lightning cable except maybe there's a little dinky thing so even if they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/314">TS</a>]

00:05:17 ◼   ► the connectors activism size Apple since it marlys controls the Lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/317">TS</a>]

00:05:21 ◼   ► connector market or the people who want to use lighting connectors could dictate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/321">TS</a>]

00:05:24 ◼   ► that the end is not lightning has to be this big fat chunky thing I think also I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/324">TS</a>]

00:05:29 ◼   ► am pretty sure we can safely rule out the the latter two possibilities in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/329">TS</a>]

00:05:34 ◼   ► John's blog post about either Apple basically killing lightning and adopting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/334">TS</a>]

00:05:39 ◼   ► USB or Apple working together with the USB foreign people to to to make one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/339">TS</a>]

00:05:47 ◼   ► better standard together I think we can pretty safely pull those things out as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/347">TS</a>]

00:05:51 ◼   ► very very unlikely though it up as motivation would be to standardize since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/351">TS</a>]

00:05:56 ◼   ► they they love having their very own connector with their own particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/356">TS</a>]

00:05:59 ◼   ► attributes they can license accessory manufacturers and all I could see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/359">TS</a>]

00:06:04 ◼   ► exactly because you know that they do make a lot of money off those licensing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/364">TS</a>]

00:06:07 ◼   ► fees and and I think I think more than the money I think the money is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/367">TS</a>]

00:06:11 ◼   ► secondary concern for them I I think the bigger reason they do is control you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/371">TS</a>]

00:06:16 ◼   ► know they love having control over what their devices can and can't do they love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/376">TS</a>]

00:06:22 ◼   ► having control over what accessories can you can do how they interact with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/382">TS</a>]

00:06:26 ◼   ► device and then I think they also like that if you make a lightning port device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/386">TS</a>]

00:06:30 ◼   ► it's not going to work on somebody's Android phone you know all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/390">TS</a>]

00:06:34 ◼   ► really benefit apple and there's there's really no motivation to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/394">TS</a>]

00:06:36 ◼   ► and the best thing about it is finally Apple has found a market in a position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/396">TS</a>]

00:06:41 ◼   ► in the market where this lack of compatibility with the other guys does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/401">TS</a>]

00:06:45 ◼   ► not hurt them because back in the day was like whoa real keyboards and mice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/405">TS</a>]

00:06:48 ◼   ► use insert connector here but Apple uses this crazy thing called ADB and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/408">TS</a>]

00:06:52 ◼   ► have to buy special Apple keyboard attended by a regular keyboard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/412">TS</a>]

00:06:56 ◼   ► eventually adopted USB and moralistic and a USB keyboard connected either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/416">TS</a>]

00:07:01 ◼   ► computer so during the whole Mac PC era the Mac was doing that every single area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/421">TS</a>]

00:07:05 ◼   ► where it didn't conform to the rest of the industry now in the portable device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/425">TS</a>]

00:07:11 ◼   ► basin you know the iPod space Apple so dominated the portable music players [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/431">TS</a>]

00:07:15 ◼   ► based at 30 pin became sort of the defacto standard and now in the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/435">TS</a>]

00:07:18 ◼   ► market people might not buy an iPhone because it doesn't have a big enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/438">TS</a>]

00:07:21 ◼   ► screen or like some other things like that but I don't think people are saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/441">TS</a>]

00:07:25 ◼   ► well I was gonna get an iPhone but it doesn't use USB uses this lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/445">TS</a>]

00:07:29 ◼   ► connector type thing people may still grab a lightning connector and the cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/449">TS</a>]

00:07:32 ◼   ► of it but it doesn't hurt them as much as I think all their special Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/452">TS</a>]

00:07:36 ◼   ► specific weirdness used to hurt and this Apple always want to have its own weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/456">TS</a>]

00:07:40 ◼   ► thing but it was the negatives were not overwhelming but kind of must have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/460">TS</a>]

00:07:45 ◼   ► annoyed apple now finally they have the portable device market place where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/465">TS</a>]

00:07:51 ◼   ► can do their proprietary stuff and only take a min demoted in the market for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/471">TS</a>]

00:07:55 ◼   ► almost non-existent and people just grin and bear it he said that though but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/475">TS</a>]

00:08:00 ◼   ► grouper made a post about this week or two ago about how the lightning cable I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/480">TS</a>]

00:08:05 ◼   ► think it was something he was is the epitome of the difference in perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/485">TS</a>]

00:08:10 ◼   ► between Apple users and Android users and actually pointed this out I sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/490">TS</a>]

00:08:14 ◼   ► this article to 100 loving friends and they were like yeah that's stupid why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/494">TS</a>]

00:08:19 ◼   ► would you want a proprietary cable and man it's just to me that makes no sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/499">TS</a>]

00:08:24 ◼   ► I don't need to have a really clunky cable that I have three hundred of I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/504">TS</a>]

00:08:29 ◼   ► rather have one cable that works very well all the time and it just struck me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/509">TS</a>]

00:08:35 ◼   ► is so weird that that was the posters right about the difference in the news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/515">TS</a>]

00:08:40 ◼   ► for those users who have already made their choice or who has some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/520">TS</a>]

00:08:42 ◼   ► like some allegiance to one side of the other regular people who have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/522">TS</a>]

00:08:46 ◼   ► I don't care or know anything different about them like they expect when you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/526">TS</a>]

00:08:51 ◼   ► a new thing nobody knew accessories that have to go with that I know people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/531">TS</a>]

00:08:54 ◼   ► enough people are like well I can't reuse my charging cable then forget it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/534">TS</a>]

00:08:58 ◼   ► because across Android phones maybe you can reuse the same cables are the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/538">TS</a>]

00:09:03 ◼   ► charges they don't work as well it's it's not a big deal because they come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/543">TS</a>]

00:09:06 ◼   ► with you no wonder two cables or whatever the iphone come with this guy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/546">TS</a>]

00:09:11 ◼   ► think the experience of using lightning cable like you said Casey for regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/551">TS</a>]

00:09:16 ◼   ► people is more important than the theoretical advantage of being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/556">TS</a>]

00:09:20 ◼   ► reuse cables across bones that you're right we also got a lot of feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/560">TS</a>]

00:09:26 ◼   ► about dual input displays because during the believe was last show we talk a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/566">TS</a>]

00:09:32 ◼   ► or was it one tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/572">TS</a>]

00:09:34 ◼   ► well I saw one to eat now pay people kept waiting and saying isn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/574">TS</a>]

00:09:38 ◼   ► possible they just hooked up to cable right from two cables from your Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/578">TS</a>]

00:09:42 ◼   ► grouchy reminder that does not solve the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/582">TS</a>]

00:09:45 ◼   ► you know do you think Apple could do this do you think Apple will do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/585">TS</a>]

00:09:48 ◼   ► every variation so there were allowed to write but John you've put one specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/588">TS</a>]

00:09:53 ◼   ► tweet into the show notes do you care to expound upon that the slide from Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/593">TS</a>]

00:09:58 ◼   ► most recent presentation about the Mac Pro that showing the back of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/598">TS</a>]

00:10:02 ◼   ► machines as next-generation video up to 34 K displays single and dual input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/602">TS</a>]

00:10:07 ◼   ► displays and I don't even know what that means I remember that being on the slide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/607">TS</a>]

00:10:11 ◼   ► but I guess I just forgot about entirely I'm not even sure what they're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/611">TS</a>]

00:10:15 ◼   ► ready they want you want to venture a guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/615">TS</a>]

00:10:17 ◼   ► well last unless we we talked about how it was going to be pretty impossible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/617">TS</a>]

00:10:24 ◼   ► them to ship a 50 120 pixels wide monitor what should be a perfect to exit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/624">TS</a>]

00:10:30 ◼   ► the current 27 they would be impossible because it would use more bandwidth than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/630">TS</a>]

00:10:34 ◼   ► wonderful 2.0 cable will support and now back in the days when these 30 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/634">TS</a>]

00:10:43 ◼   ► Cinema Display first came out it was one of the first monitors in the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/643">TS</a>]

00:10:46 ◼   ► required dual link DVI and what dual-link DVI basically is is a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/646">TS</a>]

00:10:52 ◼   ► bunch more D it's basically you know to regular DVI channels into in one cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/652">TS</a>]

00:10:58 ◼   ► that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/658">TS</a>]

00:10:59 ◼   ► ton of tens and it requires special video card that would support this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/659">TS</a>]

00:11:04 ◼   ► it was everything was very expensive and everything that was pretty much the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/664">TS</a>]

00:11:08 ◼   ► idea which is like you have the standard and forgiveness wrongly please email us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/668">TS</a>]

00:11:12 ◼   ► actually from going from curious but it was it was you know this the standard is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/672">TS</a>]

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00:45:27 ◼   ► trying to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:28 ◼   ► interrupted by a modal dialog box that's the problem so I want to the distinction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2728">TS</a>]

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00:45:38 ◼   ► bad it's the way you're asking by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:42 ◼   ► by interrupting people in a modal right so you were writing overcast and you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:49 ◼   ► a brain fart I know maybe add too much May one night and you've put this into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2749">TS</a>]

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00:46:03 ◼   ► why would you put a solicitation to rate your app into overcast if you were there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2763">TS</a>]

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00:46:13 ◼   ► this and the reason why it hypothetical drunk me would do this and overcast if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:17 ◼   ► somehow I don't know when I have a lot of shit I i dont get bad taste if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2777">TS</a>]

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00:46:32 ◼   ► in all seriousness to borrow money or phrases I think the reason people do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2792">TS</a>]

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00:47:02 ◼   ► average star rating and it is there is a distinction between ratings and reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:06 ◼   ► you don't have to write a review TV star rating but I don't think for the purpose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2826">TS</a>]

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00:47:18 ◼   ► read the reviews and if you don't have a lot of reviews if you have a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:21 ◼   ► bad reviews and no positive ones to offset them then that'll make unless I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:25 ◼   ► thought about that that I can't argue with that is true however I've heard a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:31 ◼   ► lot of people also say that reviews are correlated with rank and I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:37 ◼   ► we have any evidence to confirm that in a couple people said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2857">TS</a>]

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00:47:45 ◼   ► who has actual evidence to support whether that's true or false or not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2865">TS</a>]

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00:47:55 ◼   ► time interval I don't think it has anything to do with with their reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2875">TS</a>]

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00:48:14 ◼   ► kidding aside line of questioning trying to lead you down is that and I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2894">TS</a>]

00:48:18 ◼   ► that to some degree underscore David Smith talked about this in his really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:22 ◼   ► good blog post today but I feel like the end of the five whys of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:29 ◼   ► conversation is that discovery is broken and if not discovery then finding a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:37 ◼   ► to pitch your app in such so that I don't need to double check your work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2917">TS</a>]

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00:48:48 ◼   ► I throw up a really nice description it you're gonna want to double check from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:53 ◼   ► real people that I'm not all of it that I'm not lying and I think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:59 ◼   ► combination of discovery and representation of the app that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:03 ◼   ► this sort of gross behavior necessary because if discovery was really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:11 ◼   ► then I would be able to find out very easily and then once I found the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:16 ◼   ► that I think I might want if if the selling of it the marketing of it within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:21 ◼   ► the app store was really good then say if we had a video for example or maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:27 ◼   ► if you had a trial and I'm not tryna go down that road I'm just saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:30 ◼   ► hypothetically if you had like a one day trial or whatever then it wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:34 ◼   ► matter what the reviews are certainly what matters much with reviews say and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:38 ◼   ► it wouldn't matter as much with the ratings are but because developers have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:43 ◼   ► almost no levers to Paul in order to improve their performance to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:49 ◼   ► performance everyone in the App Store this is only one of the only leverage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:52 ◼   ► they've got so dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:53 ◼   ► they're gonna pull on it and that's what that was the exercise the five whys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:57 ◼   ► exercise I was trying to bring you down I think this is the reason this comes up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/2997">TS</a>]

00:50:01 ◼   ► at all like the reason is wondering fireball fireball whatever is not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:06 ◼   ► much because doing things because I think the App Store has always been you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:11 ◼   ► know to america's thing from that guy was trying to run for president [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:16 ◼   ► there's the two app stores this is the one that's full of crap we just ignore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3016">TS</a>]

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00:50:32 ◼   ► up is because it's not limited to the crap out Store apps that we all like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:37 ◼   ► use every day do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3037">TS</a>]

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00:50:44 ◼   ► application everybody does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:47 ◼   ► the super high-class well-designed well-regarded we love the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3047">TS</a>]

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00:50:55 ◼   ► releases bug fixes has a reasonable prices great application all-round even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:59 ◼   ► they have stupid to rate me dialog boxes on the not all of them but it's it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:04 ◼   ► infection of annoyance that has crossed over into our world and that's why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:08 ◼   ► get someone like John Gruber saying well just gotta stop I mean I love these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:12 ◼   ► applications that use every day but they gotta get outta my face if there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:17 ◼   ► tons of terrible things that happen only in the crap out story like blinking ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:21 ◼   ► banners in your face and you know just all sorts of ugly you eyes and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:27 ◼   ► things that are motile when they shouldn't be interested in this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:30 ◼   ► crap applications we don't care what happens over there is it doesn't affect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:33 ◼   ► us because we know we feel like we're discerning and we talk to each other and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:36 ◼   ► say what the good applications are making recommendations and then we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:39 ◼   ► one is good applications that we use every single day and thrust upon the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:42 ◼   ► written down boxes boxes it's like a betrayal it's like that's not supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3102">TS</a>]

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00:51:49 ◼   ► getting my stuff like it's back to the discovery thing casey was talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3109">TS</a>]

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00:52:06 ◼   ► hundred possibly paid for five star reviews from you know Mechanical Turk or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:11 ◼   ► whatever these developers to do is take it they're scammers using especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:14 ◼   ► when you're going into an area that you not that familiar with in the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:18 ◼   ► the sort of social proof that people who you know and trust have decided this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3138">TS</a>]

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00:52:27 ◼   ► saying this is good or this is bad that you happen to know they were beaten it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3147">TS</a>]

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00:52:38 ◼   ► developer which maybe we know maybe we don't have a home interview that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3158">TS</a>]

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00:52:48 ◼   ► reviews on the idea that we have no idea so the reaction to this in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3168">TS</a>]

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00:52:57 ◼   ► asking people to one star rate this is a weird way to suggest one-star rating of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3177">TS</a>]

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00:53:07 ◼   ► suggestion of a way to the campaign to go about it but what we want to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3187">TS</a>]

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00:53:16 ◼   ► socialization of the idea that putting upgrading the dialog box is unacceptable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:20 ◼   ► in the quote-unquote good app store and that's what we're looking for you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3200">TS</a>]

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00:53:35 ◼   ► goes badly people used to like 20 and then Twitter bought them and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:39 ◼   ► still ok and they changed it now it's crap and now nobody uses the official [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:43 ◼   ► Twitter client r-iowa said they can't help it all that's an application going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3223">TS</a>]

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00:53:52 ◼   ► guidelines in you know the Mac nerd or I was in their community and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3232">TS</a>]

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00:54:28 ◼   ► dialog boxes unacceptable the problem will take care of itself because no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:32 ◼   ► wants to be that out but the problem is that somehow we got to a point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/3272">TS</a>]

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01:28:29 ◼   ► cropping up all the time in the solution that would have been perfectly viable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5309">TS</a>]

01:28:32 ◼   ► and it was small is now useless and become of the new solution yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5312">TS</a>]

01:28:36 ◼   ► implemented in your gonna go up again and like Marco said if eventually you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5316">TS</a>]

01:28:40 ◼   ► reach web-scale then this whole idea of having a directory where they can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5320">TS</a>]

01:28:46 ◼   ► they're like they're reproducing the web I guess Amazon does the same thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5326">TS</a>]

01:28:51 ◼   ► Amazon Amazon I soon will always have more products in the App Store does and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5331">TS</a>]

01:28:56 ◼   ► they managed to do better sort of searching recommendations is very rarely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5336">TS</a>]

01:29:00 ◼   ► do I type something and Amazon and not find the thing I want I can misspelled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5340">TS</a>]

01:29:04 ◼   ► it I can miss remember what it's called as long as I miss remembering in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5344">TS</a>]

01:29:07 ◼   ► same way that a bunch of other people I miss remembering Amazon seems to have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5347">TS</a>]

01:29:10 ◼   ► do a good job of keeping track but just like Google keeping track of not the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5350">TS</a>]

01:29:15 ◼   ► first day result the people click on but the first result that I should leads to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5355">TS</a>]

01:29:18 ◼   ► like a sale or a lingering on a page or whatever they're doing over there at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5358">TS</a>]

01:29:21 ◼   ► Amazon the company acquired merge with you know someone please help them Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5361">TS</a>]

01:29:26 ◼   ► well I mean who who sells out of things and make some discoverable and has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5366">TS</a>]

01:29:32 ◼   ► reasonable system for buying stuff that people tend to like Amazon right will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5372">TS</a>]

01:29:36 ◼   ► hold on though but yeah you're right about that but you're also talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5376">TS</a>]

01:29:39 ◼   ► physical goods and and and audio and things like that when i was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5379">TS</a>]

01:29:44 ◼   ► wondering is how is Amazon's Appstore for discovery and things of that nature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5384">TS</a>]

01:29:49 ◼   ► problem is they don't have a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5389">TS</a>]

01:29:50 ◼   ► perhaps no one uses it and nobody uses it but I mean even amongst the twelve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5390">TS</a>]

01:29:55 ◼   ► people they use it isn't any better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5395">TS</a>]

01:29:57 ◼   ► it may not be we've had a number of comments in the chat room during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5397">TS</a>]

01:30:01 ◼   ► show that apparently the Google Play Store is is really good about reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:04 ◼   ► and rankings and that makes sense if it's true that makes sense because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5404">TS</a>]

01:30:07 ◼   ► Google is really good at search and ranking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5407">TS</a>]

01:30:11 ◼   ► they they know how to do that well and they prioritize that they are probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5411">TS</a>]

01:30:16 ◼   ► totally not above keeping track of what every application is launched an Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5416">TS</a>]

01:30:20 ◼   ► phone and how long people all those stats and they get crackin on misleading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5420">TS</a>]

01:30:24 ◼   ► however you know and then I try to do like but that is that's because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5424">TS</a>]

01:30:28 ◼   ► what they do on the web they gather every ounce of signal they can on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5428">TS</a>]

01:30:31 ◼   ► web and try to block out every source of noise and gaming of the system they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5431">TS</a>]

01:30:35 ◼   ► for the entire web and that's what the whole company was founded on so of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5435">TS</a>]

01:30:39 ◼   ► course the same tools on a Web Start course they're gonna do better that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5439">TS</a>]

01:30:43 ◼   ► they're not see the the fireplace to talk about that but we talked about last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5443">TS</a>]

01:30:47 ◼   ► week about someone saying why isn't anybody talk about this feature they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5447">TS</a>]

01:30:50 ◼   ► didn't ship and whatever I was talking about the why isn't anybody talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5450">TS</a>]

01:30:56 ◼   ► about an angle but a lot of people were like I thought I did she buy just loaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5456">TS</a>]

01:30:59 ◼   ► in work and some people doing it as a joke but some people are kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5459">TS</a>]

01:31:06 ◼   ► half serious than I have to admit to myself like a lots of features that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5466">TS</a>]

01:31:11 ◼   ► Apple shipped back to my back to my Mac feature which also has work sporadically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:15 ◼   ► for me if Apple ships a feature that has anything to do with the net it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5475">TS</a>]

01:31:22 ◼   ► difficult to tell whether the future is missing entirely or just isn't working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5482">TS</a>]

01:31:24 ◼   ► right yet because they hide all but the nuts and bolts from you so I'm back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5484">TS</a>]

01:31:29 ◼   ► my Mac isn't working if we told you that Apple removed back to my neck from OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5489">TS</a>]

01:31:32 ◼   ► two years ago versus oh no it's always been there to work for as far as you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5492">TS</a>]

01:31:36 ◼   ► concerned experiences the same you just it it doesn't seem to do what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5496">TS</a>]

01:31:41 ◼   ► supposed to do and maybe this type checkbox for it but you know that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5501">TS</a>]

01:31:46 ◼   ► far up as reputations and tree falls in the woods and it never works for anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5506">TS</a>]

01:31:50 ◼   ► but so far upper levels reputation has fallen so far that if anything you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5510">TS</a>]

01:31:55 ◼   ► do it online people to see much it but it didn't work I mean I think App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5515">TS</a>]

01:31:59 ◼   ► search you know because you know because searches such a hard problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5519">TS</a>]

01:32:02 ◼   ► and and you look at the different apparently very well it's not a surprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5522">TS</a>]

01:32:07 ◼   ► and Apple to the surprise I think this is the kind of problem that Apple will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5527">TS</a>]

01:32:12 ◼   ► probably just never do that well like it's it's just not in their in their DNA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5532">TS</a>]

01:32:18 ◼   ► to really do research and management of this large data said you know management [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5538">TS</a>]

01:32:23 ◼   ► of spam and Kim and everything else like it's just not what they do well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5543">TS</a>]

01:32:28 ◼   ► they've never ever shown an ability to do that kind of thing well nor a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5548">TS</a>]

01:32:34 ◼   ► priority to really put a lot of resources into it and so i dont I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5554">TS</a>]

01:32:38 ◼   ► not expect the situation to change from there and before we leave this topic is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5558">TS</a>]

01:32:42 ◼   ► one one more thing I want to briefly touch on which is the reason it always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5562">TS</a>]

01:32:44 ◼   ► rains in here and here they are linking to your blog post about writing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5564">TS</a>]

01:32:50 ◼   ► happened and other responses to saying that Apple you said you can't ban the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5570">TS</a>]

01:32:56 ◼   ► dialog boxes in the zone responded and he responded back to them this idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5576">TS</a>]

01:33:01 ◼   ► the space mad the other one solution to this problem of the rating now I boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5581">TS</a>]

01:33:06 ◼   ► that Apple could just say you're not allowed to put up a dialog box at Assam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5586">TS</a>]

01:33:09 ◼   ► under a publication and you were saying you can make that religion can enforce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5589">TS</a>]

01:33:14 ◼   ► it and you are going back and forth do you have anything more than that of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5594">TS</a>]

01:33:17 ◼   ► are you putting the blog but they're not really I mean a lot of people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5597">TS</a>]

01:33:21 ◼   ► suggested ways they could add a report button or something to get to a wooden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5601">TS</a>]

01:33:25 ◼   ► actually work in practice like a few if they added a report as abuse or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5605">TS</a>]

01:33:31 ◼   ► inappropriate or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5611">TS</a>]

01:33:33 ◼   ► button to every you I'll argue that obviously is very costly and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5613">TS</a>]

01:33:38 ◼   ► factors and then people to stop using your views [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5618">TS</a>]

01:33:41 ◼   ► think it's not that hard to write your own WAP overview like that looks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5621">TS</a>]

01:33:46 ◼   ► works like a dialog box and just as action as a subview of the window and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5626">TS</a>]

01:33:51 ◼   ► you know what are they gonna do it but never UIView obviously they can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5631">TS</a>]

01:33:54 ◼   ► that so there's really no like any kind of like a minor offense that lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5634">TS</a>]

01:34:01 ◼   ► apps will do that will appear after a preview time such as spam push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5641">TS</a>]

01:34:07 ◼   ► notifications which are also against the rules but they're very prevalent anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5647">TS</a>]

01:34:11 ◼   ► I was gonna say that that's a perfect example because those already are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5651">TS</a>]

01:34:14 ◼   ► against the rules you're not allowed to send people push notifications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5654">TS</a>]

01:34:17 ◼   ► advertisements in it and yet many of us the push notifications which things with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5657">TS</a>]

01:34:22 ◼   ► things in the look alike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5662">TS</a>]

01:34:23 ◼   ► advertisements right all the time and it's for my post like it's very similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5663">TS</a>]

01:34:29 ◼   ► to that problem which is this thing already is against the rules this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5669">TS</a>]

01:34:32 ◼   ► nation's already against the rules but it's really not enforced because unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5672">TS</a>]

01:34:38 ◼   ► the reviewer for a preview get this thing during like the five minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5678">TS</a>]

01:34:42 ◼   ► they're spending with the app unless they themselves get spammed and notices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5682">TS</a>]

01:34:47 ◼   ► against the rule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5687">TS</a>]

01:34:48 ◼   ► they're never going to catch it really and once it's already in the wild after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5688">TS</a>]

01:34:52 ◼   ► the fact like these are such relatively minor rule violations like it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5692">TS</a>]

01:34:58 ◼   ► differently if your app passes a preview and then you have a hard-coded like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5698">TS</a>]

01:35:02 ◼   ► weeks later it it becomes malware somehow that would get noticed and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5702">TS</a>]

01:35:08 ◼   ► would get shut down cuz that's like that really bad Developer Program whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5708">TS</a>]

01:35:13 ◼   ► else fine but something like this like a minor offense like a push notification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5713">TS</a>]

01:35:18 ◼   ► or write this after I like those are not major enough PR problems major enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5718">TS</a>]

01:35:24 ◼   ► offenses in the App Store that if it happened after review time Apple make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5724">TS</a>]

01:35:30 ◼   ► big effort to crack down on that and eliminate that it is not important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5730">TS</a>]

01:35:33 ◼   ► enough to do everything else they have to do so realistically speaking it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5733">TS</a>]

01:35:38 ◼   ► very unlikely that Apple would ever ban these dialogues and if they did it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5738">TS</a>]

01:35:44 ◼   ► very likely would be enforced so my position on this is that I mostly agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5744">TS</a>]

01:35:49 ◼   ► with the difficulty of enforcing lewis also agree with the you know like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5749">TS</a>]

01:35:53 ◼   ► because it's difficult it can be done but I think that if if this agreement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5753">TS</a>]

01:35:58 ◼   ► within Apple this is a new experience they don't want people to have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5758">TS</a>]

01:36:03 ◼   ► they're using their application and dialog box pops up in a separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5763">TS</a>]

01:36:06 ◼   ► applications they should absolutely added to the guidelines just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5766">TS</a>]

01:36:09 ◼   ► thing that says you're not supposed to get ads and push notifications because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5769">TS</a>]

01:36:11 ◼   ► Apple's decided that getting advertisements push notifications not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5771">TS</a>]

01:36:15 ◼   ► the experience they wanted their phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5775">TS</a>]

01:36:17 ◼   ► enforceability I think should be not entirely separate but mostly separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5777">TS</a>]

01:36:21 ◼   ► from making the rules I think the rule against advertising pushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5781">TS</a>]

01:36:24 ◼   ► is a good rule kinda like the you know the the school zone speed limits which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5784">TS</a>]

01:36:29 ◼   ► are usually set like super low it so that if if they want to they can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5789">TS</a>]

01:36:33 ◼   ► every single person's goes on a ticket gives you makes it so that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5793">TS</a>]

01:36:37 ◼   ► everybody is breaking the law and then you can you know anybody over but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5797">TS</a>]

01:36:42 ◼   ► this case I think it reasonable speed limit if you just put in a role that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5802">TS</a>]

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01:36:53 ◼   ► who was it bad that blog post explaining like a big system of a sort of a social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5813">TS</a>]

01:36:58 ◼   ► engineered system we're different people could report violations and then if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5818">TS</a>]

01:37:03 ◼   ► their accuracy there reporting gives their reports a higher ranking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5823">TS</a>]

01:37:06 ◼   ► there's lots of systems that are possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5826">TS</a>]

01:37:08 ◼   ► yeah I wouldn't get too bogged down in details so that I would just say if this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5828">TS</a>]

01:37:12 ◼   ► is an experienced it up things you shouldn't have put it in the guidelines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5832">TS</a>]

01:37:15 ◼   ► and maybe it's incredibly spread we enforce almost never enforced the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5835">TS</a>]

01:37:21 ◼   ► that it's there and I think it's probably easier to enforce them to push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5841">TS</a>]

01:37:25 ◼   ► notification will be split over his income from like elsewhere the rate me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5845">TS</a>]

01:37:28 ◼   ► think I guess it could be triggered by an external server based thing but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5848">TS</a>]

01:37:31 ◼   ► code to put the dialogue has to be in your application somewhere it's the type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5851">TS</a>]

01:37:36 ◼   ► of thing where once it becomes a guideline that alone could push it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5856">TS</a>]

01:37:40 ◼   ► into the crappy section of the absurd that I was talking about before and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5860">TS</a>]

01:37:44 ◼   ► the good developers of the world applications that we all know and love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5864">TS</a>]

01:37:47 ◼   ► and use all the time would comply with the guy buying because those people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5867">TS</a>]

01:37:51 ◼   ► willingly sending out push notifications rads either bases against the guidelines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5871">TS</a>]

01:37:54 ◼   ► and so even you know just putting in that guideline even though it can't stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5874">TS</a>]

01:37:59 ◼   ► all the crap out from doing it just putting it there at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5879">TS</a>]

01:38:03 ◼   ► would give a position that the protocol good guys in the App Store would follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5883">TS</a>]

01:38:08 ◼   ► along with it thanks for the most part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5888">TS</a>]

01:38:10 ◼   ► well but there's already like I think everyone for the most part knows that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5890">TS</a>]

01:38:15 ◼   ► it's kind of not okay but most developers who are probably I'm planning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5895">TS</a>]

01:38:21 ◼   ► it because they've they've with a trade if there had been a well I know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5901">TS</a>]

01:38:26 ◼   ► kind of annoying to some people and it's kind of not okay but everyone else is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5906">TS</a>]

01:38:32 ◼   ► doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5912">TS</a>]

01:38:33 ◼   ► and I need all the help I can get myself so and that same rationale I think would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5913">TS</a>]

01:38:38 ◼   ► would still be there but that cost benefit is gonna be way different if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5918">TS</a>]

01:38:42 ◼   ► it's against the rules you would never knowingly put something on this tour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5922">TS</a>]

01:38:45 ◼   ► that violated a kind especially it was a high profile guideline that came into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5925">TS</a>]

01:38:48 ◼   ► being under circumstances like this for now Apple releases new guideline not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5928">TS</a>]

01:38:52 ◼   ► allowed to operate me you would never put up an application that knowingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5932">TS</a>]

01:38:55 ◼   ► violate like it's not even subtle like it pops up and says please read this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5935">TS</a>]

01:38:59 ◼   ► application your violin violation none of the good developers would willingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5939">TS</a>]

01:39:04 ◼   ► violet biggest suddenly the cost benefits like being kinda annoying but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5944">TS</a>]

01:39:07 ◼   ► bubble block versus my app is going to be rejected or there's a chance my Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5947">TS</a>]

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01:51:11 ◼   ► think Apple wishes they they weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6671">TS</a>]