00:00:01 ◼ ► what does your application have going for a brand was that a hideous icon that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/1">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► happens to include feet following following brands like a rebranding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► effort all you've got going for you is the fact that your icon had feet and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/13">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► getting an Orange Julius icon has feet it's like like your own age you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/17">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► you're owning the feet so but what if I don't really need to worry about brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/22">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► recognition because only like three or four hundred people have ever bought the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/26">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► damn thing in the first it doesn't matter is not going they're looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/29">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► the feet that's what you've got his feet and you know I think being whimsical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/33">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► like that was your instinct that's what you brought to the application you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/37">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► feed on that terrible icon you brought that they came from you that is your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/40">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► personal creative input into the branding of this application if you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/44">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► some other creative input put it in but don't like I wouldn't just throw that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/47">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► away you wanted to feed you got feet I kept his feet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/50">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► here's one from John dark spelled with an e at the end of dark it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/55">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► awesome name of the issue really haven't eaten his first name but he brought up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/62">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► an interesting point that I think of when we were talking about the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/67">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► lightning connector and the upcoming USB connector that we don't know anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/71">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► about other than it's not going to sock and it will be bidirectional wait we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/77">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► don't know it's not going to say well it's still very much can suck it I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/80">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► I suppose but they're saying all the right things about it and when we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/84">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► about that I was saying like it's hard to think of that connect your doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/88">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► anything except for something like the Lightning connector not exactly but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/91">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► reverse with that but the contacts on the outside and a solid metal thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/96">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► instead of being like micro-usb mini-usb where it took a little bent piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/98">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► metal crap on the inside because that is very delicate and annoying and crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/102">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► and it seems crazy to me that they would make a new connector and make it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/107">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► it's like micro USB on our server ssible that's not really great for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/112">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► wouldn't be a very big improvement democracy right I suppose they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/117">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► still do that but anyway this blog post says okay so say my speculation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/120">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► being close to write and produce a connector that is in the style of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/125">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► Lightning connector but isn't obviously not allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/131">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► connector and say that Apple eventually adopt that because it's a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/133">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► connector than the current full-sized USB input in all their products and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/137">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► that stuff you would end up with the cable like the one that's drawn in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/140">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► blog posted open link yet actually read this post earlier that cable would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/144">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► kind of a nightmare don't sugary cuz it looks like lightning on one end and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/149">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► made a USB connector on the other that looks like lightning but not really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/154">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► it's a little bit thinner and the context or longer and you lose all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/157">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► advantages of the reversible capable of the new USB thing and everything and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/161">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► know consumers would have trouble figuring out which ended which because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/166">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► they look so similar and you have a linear revealed in overtime but maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/169">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► even we were messin up of bleary-eyed in the morning trying to plug something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/173">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► so that's kind of like the the curse of being first for Apple came up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/177">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► lightning connector ball the USB guys kept screwing up their connectors making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/181">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► their crappy things and not for a while now I can see Apple's get these great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/185">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► connectors on their devices and of course the big fat ugly other end that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/188">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► connects your computer is you never get a computer lightning connector right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/192">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► if the new USB connector look something like lightning Apple could find itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/196">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► in a stranger uncomfortable situation and I don't think they can go USB on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/199">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► both ends because of all this you know planning they have a lightning connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/203">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► and how it works with all their devices and how that's and change the insides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/207">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► will keep him that the characters and all that good stuff well first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/210">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► I'm guessing that the USB reversible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/214">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► to discuss calling it USB Type C as I do we have this unofficial name the type C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/217">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► thanks for the call in the thing that he likes for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/223">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► good so we can go so if this if this type C thing ends up coming out be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/226">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► reversible and resembling lightning in its general design I would guess almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/232">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► certainly it would be wider but by a substantial amount to accommodate all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/238">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► depends necessary do usb3 at a reasonable cost us money not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/243">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► Lightning country has very very tiny little contact pads and the and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/248">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► port is required to have these little tiny pins all that signatures Asian I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/253">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► guessing might run afoul of USB his desire to be super cheap and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/258">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► and to have pretty broad tolerances so that any idiot can make one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/264">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► connectors or ports and at work I'm guessing the connector would not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/268">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► nearly as small as lightning and that alone would be a pretty big pretty big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/273">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► switch also lets you might realistically speaking here like how likely is it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/276">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► the USB people are going to make aspect that's as good as lightning to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/282">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► actually easily confused with it like I'm guessing to be in some way clunkier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/286">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► and I love you proven wrong and I hope I am wrong on that but I'm guessing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/291">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► know looking at their history of how they had to do things when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/295">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► prioritize I don't think what they make is going to end up being confusingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/298">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► similar to like Apple's easy Appleby that no matter what the Kinect looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/303">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► like make the plastic gravity in thinking on the Lightning connector just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/306">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► massive so that it's like the same size as the current USB connector on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/310">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► lightning cable except maybe there's a little dinky thing so even if they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/314">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► the connectors activism size Apple since it marlys controls the Lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/317">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► connector market or the people who want to use lighting connectors could dictate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/321">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► that the end is not lightning has to be this big fat chunky thing I think also I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/324">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► am pretty sure we can safely rule out the the latter two possibilities in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/329">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► John's blog post about either Apple basically killing lightning and adopting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/334">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► USB or Apple working together with the USB foreign people to to to make one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/339">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► better standard together I think we can pretty safely pull those things out as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/347">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► very very unlikely though it up as motivation would be to standardize since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/351">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► they they love having their very own connector with their own particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/356">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► attributes they can license accessory manufacturers and all I could see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/359">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► exactly because you know that they do make a lot of money off those licensing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/364">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► fees and and I think I think more than the money I think the money is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/367">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► secondary concern for them I I think the bigger reason they do is control you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/371">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► know they love having control over what their devices can and can't do they love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/376">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► having control over what accessories can you can do how they interact with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/382">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► device and then I think they also like that if you make a lightning port device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/386">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► it's not going to work on somebody's Android phone you know all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/390">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► really benefit apple and there's there's really no motivation to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/394">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► and the best thing about it is finally Apple has found a market in a position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/396">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► in the market where this lack of compatibility with the other guys does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/401">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► not hurt them because back in the day was like whoa real keyboards and mice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/405">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► use insert connector here but Apple uses this crazy thing called ADB and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/408">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► have to buy special Apple keyboard attended by a regular keyboard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/412">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► eventually adopted USB and moralistic and a USB keyboard connected either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/416">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► computer so during the whole Mac PC era the Mac was doing that every single area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/421">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► where it didn't conform to the rest of the industry now in the portable device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/425">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► basin you know the iPod space Apple so dominated the portable music players [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/431">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► based at 30 pin became sort of the defacto standard and now in the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/435">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► market people might not buy an iPhone because it doesn't have a big enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/438">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► screen or like some other things like that but I don't think people are saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/441">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► well I was gonna get an iPhone but it doesn't use USB uses this lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/445">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► connector type thing people may still grab a lightning connector and the cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/449">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► of it but it doesn't hurt them as much as I think all their special Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/452">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► specific weirdness used to hurt and this Apple always want to have its own weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/456">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► thing but it was the negatives were not overwhelming but kind of must have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/460">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► annoyed apple now finally they have the portable device market place where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/465">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► can do their proprietary stuff and only take a min demoted in the market for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/471">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► almost non-existent and people just grin and bear it he said that though but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/475">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► grouper made a post about this week or two ago about how the lightning cable I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/480">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► think it was something he was is the epitome of the difference in perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/485">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► between Apple users and Android users and actually pointed this out I sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/490">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► this article to 100 loving friends and they were like yeah that's stupid why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/494">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► would you want a proprietary cable and man it's just to me that makes no sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/499">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► I don't need to have a really clunky cable that I have three hundred of I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/504">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► rather have one cable that works very well all the time and it just struck me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/509">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► is so weird that that was the posters right about the difference in the news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/515">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► for those users who have already made their choice or who has some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/520">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► like some allegiance to one side of the other regular people who have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/522">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► I don't care or know anything different about them like they expect when you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/526">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► a new thing nobody knew accessories that have to go with that I know people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/531">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► enough people are like well I can't reuse my charging cable then forget it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/534">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► because across Android phones maybe you can reuse the same cables are the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/538">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► charges they don't work as well it's it's not a big deal because they come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/543">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► with you no wonder two cables or whatever the iphone come with this guy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/546">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► think the experience of using lightning cable like you said Casey for regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/551">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► people is more important than the theoretical advantage of being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/556">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► reuse cables across bones that you're right we also got a lot of feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/560">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► about dual input displays because during the believe was last show we talk a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/566">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► well I saw one to eat now pay people kept waiting and saying isn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/574">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► possible they just hooked up to cable right from two cables from your Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/578">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► grouchy reminder that does not solve the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/582">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► you know do you think Apple could do this do you think Apple will do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/585">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► every variation so there were allowed to write but John you've put one specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/588">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► tweet into the show notes do you care to expound upon that the slide from Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/593">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► most recent presentation about the Mac Pro that showing the back of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/598">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► machines as next-generation video up to 34 K displays single and dual input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/602">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► displays and I don't even know what that means I remember that being on the slide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/607">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► but I guess I just forgot about entirely I'm not even sure what they're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/611">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► ready they want you want to venture a guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/615">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► well last unless we we talked about how it was going to be pretty impossible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/617">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► them to ship a 50 120 pixels wide monitor what should be a perfect to exit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/624">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► the current 27 they would be impossible because it would use more bandwidth than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/630">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► wonderful 2.0 cable will support and now back in the days when these 30 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/634">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► Cinema Display first came out it was one of the first monitors in the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/643">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► required dual link DVI and what dual-link DVI basically is is a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/646">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► bunch more D it's basically you know to regular DVI channels into in one cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/652">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► ton of tens and it requires special video card that would support this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/659">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► it was everything was very expensive and everything that was pretty much the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/664">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► idea which is like you have the standard and forgiveness wrongly please email us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/668">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► actually from going from curious but it was it was you know this the standard is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/672">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► not fast enough to support all the resolutions that have basically as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/677">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► as I know that they've basically divided the display and half logically in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/680">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► controllers and just like how you can render one-half so by doing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/683">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► similar if you could lay together say two Thunderbolt cables into one monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/688">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► that was made to handle this and the video card for me to handle this is well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/694">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► you could theoretically then have enough bandwidth to drive a 5120 pixel display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/697">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► the new Mac Pro and and doesn't the new actually at the open to that the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/704">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► Retina MacBook Pro it also has the double to right now so far the only able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/712">TS</a>]
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01:21:59 ◼ ► Twitter followers or or the people you're following on Twitter would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/4919">TS</a>]
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01:22:10 ◼ ► of that same group actually have this app on their device and that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/4930">TS</a>]
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01:22:19 ◼ ► little bit creepy but if it was all can I miss you could never find out who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► those people were maybe would be ok that's when I said that Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:27 ◼ ► application of whatever I was saying in a negative sense because that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/4947">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► privacy thing where the facebook facebook does that but like I would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/4950">TS</a>]
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01:23:02 ◼ ► they can harvest lots of good signal from these relationships in these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► activities and I don't think I should do that but there is there is a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► between what Apple is doing and what Facebook does even if you just look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► something like more like when Amazon does Amazon stuff it's basically like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► the App Store in their reviews we're just a bunch of anonymous people most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► whom were angry writing things that may or may not be true all what is Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► had one tiny extra thing Amazon ads is the ability of other people to respond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► to reviews or write a big angry view and say I got this thing home and it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► work as advertised and it is supposed to do this and it said it did that involve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5017">TS</a>]
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01:23:50 ◼ ► realize that you have to do this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5030">TS</a>]
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01:24:04 ◼ ► person correcting somebody who said something totally bogus and bad that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► one tiny step towards the direction of I see that seven of my trusted friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► have installed the Senate launched in the last day which is totally creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► Facebook stuff it is creepy but nevertheless I could I feel like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► a way in which it could be only slightly creepy but very very useful and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► actual point I was trying to drive ad is what if this is what topsy was for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5064">TS</a>]
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01:24:39 ◼ ► data that happen probably cares about if not Twitter itself is their retail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► stores and the App Store in announcing the top see necessarily is going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5085">TS</a>]
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01:25:05 ◼ ► beacons are sprinkled throughout Apple retail stores perhaps aggregating that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► data in seen speaking of being creepy where people walking within an Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► store because at that point with enough I beacons and if you have the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► presumably you would be able to maybe even know that much information usage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► data that's going through Google creepy at like you know what happened just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► tracks every time you launch an application and someone suggested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► demarco that you respond to your blog web they tracked how long you use an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5132">TS</a>]
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01:25:38 ◼ ► pointed out with the how long the use of its punishing applications to get you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5138">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► the application is sufficient that you don't need to spend a long time and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► application gets punished versus the one that keeps you inside the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► because cumbersome to use like a metric you pick is gonna have some downsides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► but there are tons and tons of venues to get some other signal in here and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► just have to be careful and how do you pick them but I think you need some more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► have to get the closed ecosystem it's much easier to gain and if you have lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► of different kinds of input that are more difficult to control like the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► Store viewer you know the sky people can pay people to leave hafez all reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► and stuff they will have a much harder time they can't what they can't do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► pay every single website that reviews iOS applications to give them a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► review that's much harder than just a one-star review so that signal that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► external signal is harder to control the internal anything that just exist inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► the App Store is going to be a lot easier to gain anything that involves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► all of us in the trick is to find some way to get useful signal from us in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► way that's not creepy doesn't track every single thing that we do it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► you know violate her privacy but showing everybody which applications were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5201">TS</a>]
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01:27:26 ◼ ► likes a police feel guess right about what those before they were going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► doing with the company when they want them you know I wouldn't have high hopes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► for Apple doing meaningful things here i mean look at how they've improved the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► the crickets sound effect well they kind of its kind of shut things in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5262">TS</a>]
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01:28:20 ◼ ► sure it doesn't get too far out of line the volume has gone up like crazy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► it's really difficult to do anything useful unless you get it exactly right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5303">TS</a>]
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01:28:29 ◼ ► cropping up all the time in the solution that would have been perfectly viable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5309">TS</a>]
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01:28:36 ◼ ► implemented in your gonna go up again and like Marco said if eventually you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► reach web-scale then this whole idea of having a directory where they can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5320">TS</a>]
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01:29:10 ◼ ► do a good job of keeping track but just like Google keeping track of not the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► first day result the people click on but the first result that I should leads to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► like a sale or a lingering on a page or whatever they're doing over there at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► Amazon the company acquired merge with you know someone please help them Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5361">TS</a>]
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01:29:32 ◼ ► reasonable system for buying stuff that people tend to like Amazon right will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► hold on though but yeah you're right about that but you're also talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:39 ◼ ► physical goods and and and audio and things like that when i was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5379">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► wondering is how is Amazon's Appstore for discovery and things of that nature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5384">TS</a>]
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01:30:20 ◼ ► phone and how long people all those stats and they get crackin on misleading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5420">TS</a>]
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01:30:31 ◼ ► web and try to block out every source of noise and gaming of the system they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5431">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► for the entire web and that's what the whole company was founded on so of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5435">TS</a>]
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01:30:43 ◼ ► they're not see the the fireplace to talk about that but we talked about last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5443">TS</a>]
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01:30:50 ◼ ► didn't ship and whatever I was talking about the why isn't anybody talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5450">TS</a>]
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01:31:06 ◼ ► half serious than I have to admit to myself like a lots of features that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► Apple shipped back to my back to my Mac feature which also has work sporadically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5471">TS</a>]
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01:31:22 ◼ ► difficult to tell whether the future is missing entirely or just isn't working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► right yet because they hide all but the nuts and bolts from you so I'm back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5484">TS</a>]
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01:31:36 ◼ ► concerned experiences the same you just it it doesn't seem to do what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► supposed to do and maybe this type checkbox for it but you know that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5501">TS</a>]
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01:31:50 ◼ ► but so far upper levels reputation has fallen so far that if anything you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► do it online people to see much it but it didn't work I mean I think App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► search you know because you know because searches such a hard problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5519">TS</a>]
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01:32:07 ◼ ► and Apple to the surprise I think this is the kind of problem that Apple will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► probably just never do that well like it's it's just not in their in their DNA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5532">TS</a>]
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01:32:23 ◼ ► of spam and Kim and everything else like it's just not what they do well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5543">TS</a>]
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01:32:34 ◼ ► priority to really put a lot of resources into it and so i dont I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► not expect the situation to change from there and before we leave this topic is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5558">TS</a>]
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01:32:50 ◼ ► happened and other responses to saying that Apple you said you can't ban the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5570">TS</a>]
01:32:56 ◼ ► dialog boxes in the zone responded and he responded back to them this idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5576">TS</a>]
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01:33:21 ◼ ► suggested ways they could add a report button or something to get to a wooden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► actually work in practice like a few if they added a report as abuse or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5605">TS</a>]
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01:33:38 ◼ ► factors and then people to stop using your views [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► think it's not that hard to write your own WAP overview like that looks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► works like a dialog box and just as action as a subview of the window and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► you know what are they gonna do it but never UIView obviously they can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► that so there's really no like any kind of like a minor offense that lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5634">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► apps will do that will appear after a preview time such as spam push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► notifications which are also against the rules but they're very prevalent anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► I was gonna say that that's a perfect example because those already are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:14 ◼ ► against the rules you're not allowed to send people push notifications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5654">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► advertisements in it and yet many of us the push notifications which things with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► advertisements right all the time and it's for my post like it's very similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5663">TS</a>]
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01:34:32 ◼ ► nation's already against the rules but it's really not enforced because unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► the reviewer for a preview get this thing during like the five minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► they're spending with the app unless they themselves get spammed and notices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► they're never going to catch it really and once it's already in the wild after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► the fact like these are such relatively minor rule violations like it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:58 ◼ ► differently if your app passes a preview and then you have a hard-coded like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5698">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► weeks later it it becomes malware somehow that would get noticed and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► would get shut down cuz that's like that really bad Developer Program whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► else fine but something like this like a minor offense like a push notification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► or write this after I like those are not major enough PR problems major enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► offenses in the App Store that if it happened after review time Apple make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► big effort to crack down on that and eliminate that it is not important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► enough to do everything else they have to do so realistically speaking it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► very unlikely that Apple would ever ban these dialogues and if they did it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5738">TS</a>]
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01:35:49 ◼ ► with the difficulty of enforcing lewis also agree with the you know like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5749">TS</a>]
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01:35:58 ◼ ► within Apple this is a new experience they don't want people to have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5758">TS</a>]
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01:36:09 ◼ ► thing that says you're not supposed to get ads and push notifications because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► Apple's decided that getting advertisements push notifications not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► the experience they wanted their phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► enforceability I think should be not entirely separate but mostly separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5777">TS</a>]
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01:36:37 ◼ ► everybody is breaking the law and then you can you know anybody over but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:42 ◼ ► this case I think it reasonable speed limit if you just put in a role that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5802">TS</a>]
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01:36:53 ◼ ► who was it bad that blog post explaining like a big system of a sort of a social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5813">TS</a>]
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01:37:03 ◼ ► their accuracy there reporting gives their reports a higher ranking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:06 ◼ ► there's lots of systems that are possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5826">TS</a>]
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01:37:12 ◼ ► is an experienced it up things you shouldn't have put it in the guidelines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:15 ◼ ► and maybe it's incredibly spread we enforce almost never enforced the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5835">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► that it's there and I think it's probably easier to enforce them to push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► notification will be split over his income from like elsewhere the rate me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5845">TS</a>]
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01:37:31 ◼ ► code to put the dialogue has to be in your application somewhere it's the type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► of thing where once it becomes a guideline that alone could push it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► into the crappy section of the absurd that I was talking about before and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► the good developers of the world applications that we all know and love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5864">TS</a>]
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01:37:51 ◼ ► willingly sending out push notifications rads either bases against the guidelines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5871">TS</a>]
01:37:54 ◼ ► and so even you know just putting in that guideline even though it can't stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5874">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► all the crap out from doing it just putting it there at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► would give a position that the protocol good guys in the App Store would follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► along with it thanks for the most part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5888">TS</a>]
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01:38:15 ◼ ► it's kind of not okay but most developers who are probably I'm planning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5895">TS</a>]
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01:38:26 ◼ ► kind of annoying to some people and it's kind of not okay but everyone else is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► and I need all the help I can get myself so and that same rationale I think would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► would still be there but that cost benefit is gonna be way different if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► it's against the rules you would never knowingly put something on this tour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► that violated a kind especially it was a high profile guideline that came into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► being under circumstances like this for now Apple releases new guideline not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5928">TS</a>]
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01:38:55 ◼ ► violate like it's not even subtle like it pops up and says please read this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5935">TS</a>]
01:38:59 ◼ ► application your violin violation none of the good developers would willingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5939">TS</a>]
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01:39:07 ◼ ► bubble block versus my app is going to be rejected or there's a chance my Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5947">TS</a>]
01:39:12 ◼ ► gonna be rejected or as soon as somebody sees this I have all those backlash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5952">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► users saying you need to get this all the storied violates here but I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► about on this website like I think all the good guys would follow you certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5959">TS</a>]
01:39:23 ◼ ► would write you wouldn't put it up now but like I think of a guideline that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5963">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► able to come up with that you would willingly flout because you think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► gave you some minor increase in sales you wouldn't you would just say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:33 ◼ ► Apple's change the rules and made like my application unviable you go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5973">TS</a>]
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01:39:40 ◼ ► functions of rules with certain not to eliminate the practice from really to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► further marginalize it and make it socially unacceptable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► agreed not to socially unacceptable but like the smart developers have a clue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► who don't plan registering new Apple IDs for the Apple Developer Program every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► two weeks to keep their business would say I can't you know I can willingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/5995">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► violate this you know something I was thinking and I know we should probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:04 ◼ ► shouldn't get into the details of how to implement that kind of rating or to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6004">TS</a>]
01:40:08 ◼ ► enforce I should say that kind of reading but it what's stopping apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6008">TS</a>]
01:40:13 ◼ ► from as part of the scan that they do for private API's what's stopping them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6013">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► from from looking for great a nap something that's passed into you I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6018">TS</a>]
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01:40:28 ◼ ► code for EO rate an appt only couple words away from each other and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► they don't unilaterally rejected upon finding that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:36 ◼ ► but maybe that you know raises a warning to the reviewers saying take a look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6036">TS</a>]
01:40:42 ◼ ► this kind of heuristics they could pull off and again this totally not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6042">TS</a>]
01:40:46 ◼ ► stop anybody wants to do it but you gotta text data from a survey you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6046">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► obviously did you know whatever but but yeah that's because more so than push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6049">TS</a>]
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01:40:59 ◼ ► chance it an automated tool that might bring up a flag on this you know and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6059">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► even if the reaction to that was just that the reviewer would contact the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:06 ◼ ► developer and say you don't have a dog bites that pop up to say rate and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6066">TS</a>]
01:41:12 ◼ ► they have to lie to you to get through them so no it doesn't have anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6072">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► that and now you got them on records you know telling a lie and you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:20 ◼ ► it would be helpful I think we're good thanks like two or three sparked this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6080">TS</a>]
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01:42:37 ◼ ► its pronounced TX 10 that would have been much better I I wish I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6157">TS</a>]
01:42:47 ◼ ► there was one other additional attack on the great thing to hear these dialogues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6167">TS</a>]
01:42:56 ◼ ► work to kick you over to the absurd to review it is they call special URLs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6176">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► wants the App Store app to particular pages and in iOS 6 and earlier it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► possible to link directly to the review form for a nap and in seven that was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► the best you can do is linked to the apps page in the App Store one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:20 ◼ ► Apple could do to me to combat this in a way that would actually be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6200">TS</a>]
01:43:25 ◼ ► effective than policy is to make it stop working now they can't make links to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6205">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► App Store lab stopped working but one thing somebody suggested on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:36 ◼ ► somewhere sorry I forgot who it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6216">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► is that what if they make it so that if the App Store is invoked by a URL for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► their app don't allow the input of a reviewer rating that's an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:49 ◼ ► point I can be frustrating from a user's perspective because I can rate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6229">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► application and then it's like what did you get that window of their from a link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6237">TS</a>]
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01:44:18 ◼ ► of also is so they have I believe this is an iOS 6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► it's at least here in seven where they have this this ability to show like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:27 ◼ ► modal sheet for the App Store look for an app within your app without kicking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6267">TS</a>]
01:44:32 ◼ ► over to the App Store app and so what if they were they removed the review input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6272">TS</a>]
01:44:37 ◼ ► method just for those metal sheets and then made it a policy that you were if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6277">TS</a>]
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01:44:54 ◼ ► would be an easier policy to enforce you can even like you know check for those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6294">TS</a>]
01:44:57 ◼ ► URLs or or even make the URL stopped working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTls5bg/6297">TS</a>]
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