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00:12:18 ◼ ► be on local machines as a caching and forestry and everything we're still not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/738">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► sure so I think Apple may be making progress here or maybe they just changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/743">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► the upload limit throttling thing I don't know but it's kind of one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/748">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► things where all the incremental steps don't really matter until they get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/752">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► the point where they just say don't worry about it simple we got you covered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/755">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► and here's how it works and here's how you can feel secure knowing that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/758">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► worked because right now I don't think anyone feel secure in their knowledge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/761">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► exactly how photostream works with all the devices I know I certainly don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/763">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► know I don't either in this did you know I was thinking as you are now reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/767">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► all this is feel so Microsoft like you know oh well it's this except one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/770">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► and then there's this except one that's another thing and just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/777">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► blurry and weird and it's so not the way Apple usually is and just like you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/781">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► it needs to be simple and one thing I don't have the peace of feedback handy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/787">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► but somebody sent us some interesting feedback with some back the napkin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/791">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► calculations as to how much data storing every iOS users pictures from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/796">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► beginning of time would really take up and I don't remember the answer from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/804">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► head and I'm not even sure that they were right but suffice to say it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/808">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► metric crapton of data that they would need a hard drive space they would need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/812">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► in order to store all of these pictures from everyone under the Sun so perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/816">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► what made ever picks even mildly doable was simply that they weren't trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/821">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► do it for everyone they were trying to do it for thousands or tens of thousands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/826">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► of users and I i mean the start I guess search for individuals especially I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/829">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► maybe the sharing seven something like that but there's not the type of its not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/834">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► a type of services like Twitter Facebook where everybody seeing everybody else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/839">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► stuff where the complexity and difficulty really ramps up as you add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/843">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► more things you can kind of silo this if you can support you know ten people you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/847">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► can just multiply that out sport thousands and millions yes it cost tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/852">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► and tons of money but if it's profitable for whatever you ever had a be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/855">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► profitable like 20,000 people will be profitable 20,000 presumed still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/859">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► probably forty at 60 and 90 and thought i cost so much money look at all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/864">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► storage costs lots of money has billions of dollars maybe you have to have my top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/867">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► 10 best but it's profitable 20004 this little thinking company hopefully Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/871">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► at 400 million it could still be proper least break even or maybe it's even a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/875">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► little bit of a cost center but you know I guess that it may be just the cost of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/880">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► doing this is eventually and the photostream stuff is kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/882">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► bargaining it's like a disguise how about we will store your pictures and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/886">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► separate rooms are way better than it used to be for sharing photos I use them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/891">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► all the time with my family because it's it's easier than it used to be and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/894">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► don't have to do anything in them and I was device if I put a picture of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/898">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► shared photo stream it appears that they can look at it right there and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/901">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► better than emailing the pictures that even better than you know in the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/904">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► days making a dot Mac website and giving him to europe the website they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/908">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► I like photo streams but I think Apple was hoping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/913">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► if we make this constrains service and we put these numbers up to 9,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/917">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► pictures while we don't have these crazy storage demands to maybe this will solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/921">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► the problem and I think it helps but it doesn't you know solve the problem and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/925">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► that is an even bigger investment with more stuff and yet the number of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/931">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► terrifying when you have four hundred million but almost anything you do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/934">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► for people to think about the email they get in there even a big email provider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/936">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► like spam that they get a i klout.com mac.com email addresses loan is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/940">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► terrifying and that is one of those things that like gets worse as the line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/946">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► with a PC get targeted by spammers and stuff so it's not pretending it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/950">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► small problem but if anybody could do it it's the company with billions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/955">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► billions of dollars of catch and this really is kind of a a service that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/959">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► read mostly like iTunes you're not sharing the same files for everybody but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/965">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► it's not that complicated this file story it's not computational or a web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/968">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► application that's all sophisticated it's basically like a big bucket of busy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/974">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► you get back in an efficient manner and all that good stuff so well but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/978">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► more than that I mean it's its replication its its backup and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/982">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► deduplication is really not an issue but there's nothing to be gained from it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/986">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► certainly backup and replication and scalability and uptime and access speeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/991">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► and archival and all that stuff that's already under that photostream all does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/997">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► that mean thousand pictures are still not small change in here if you multiply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► that by 54 fifty thousand pictures for each person is 50 times harder in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► of historic and 50 times more money and like all things in it right and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► probably can't charge for the times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► the price or whatever but it's fun to stream itself is already hopefully all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1016">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► those things you described they already have a solution for its just a matter of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► ok well now we just need to put more money and I hope we find someplace to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► get more money out charge more money for use this for don't don't give it their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► own for free maybe maybe make it $100 your service $50 your service like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► things you can do you know again factored into the price of the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► things spread that $50 over the cost of all your other products who knows like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► the money stuff I feel I can be worked out the technology stuff they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► have all the stuff already in place and they don't have the stuff anyway just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► the important thing that companies in the technology sector gonna have to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► some point future so anyway they're not there yet they seem to be making motions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► in this direction because that document did have a recent modification date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► saying that the upload limits were lowered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► I don't like it will know it's happened because they'll have a slide up that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► says you know that they showed about photostream said $1000 blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► this line just has a single word in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► says unlimited are all your photos or some crap like that like will know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► when it happens I don't think it's going to arrive at the secret Knowledge Base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► article where some neighbors know my limits yeah that's the kind of me wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► brag about that that's a pretty big deal and also they would want people to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► that they're doing I mean if they just start quietly backing up more than your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► last text photos they're not really getting much of a benefit that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► customer wise PR was customers don't realize they can now put everything then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► we'll use it differently will think about it differently so I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► important for them to to be very loud about it if they ever do that and also I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► don't recall if I mention this in the last time we talked about other pics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► which thankfully that was so quick when we did because that gives us time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► talk about it now but gonna kill you just a really quickly if Apple did take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► the sign imagine how much of a selling point that would be for your normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► human that they look at it and they they know enough about the landscape to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► that well Windows Phone series Mobile 7 Series Metro not Metro doesn't do any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► the fancy photo things we want the Android phone that everyone is telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► them to get well that looks nice and all I really like that big screen but I tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► you what this iPhone will back up all of my pictures for me automatically not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► worry about it why would I not get that so I take pictures of my kids grandkids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► dog car whatever i know i will never ever ever lose any of them now would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► a real selling point but again it's it's really hard to do and to get right so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► know a lot of people have been telling us about Google+ and have a backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► player stuff and some people you mentioned Dropbox and Google Plus I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► think it's worth addressing because I think Google is signed up like a will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► save all your photos of great stuff for you and the reason it never is on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► radar for something that I want to do is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► Google+ and the whole stuff associated with it is now almost everything he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► is a is a social network it's a social sharing service and I would never take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1195">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► my family photos and give them over to a service this is social service like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► wouldn't if Facebook said hey we'll take all your photos and preserve the forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► I wouldn't do it and same thing with Google+ because the whole purpose of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► those services share things with other people and my photo collection is by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► default something I don't want to share but all I wanna do is selectively pic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► maybe a handful of pictures and share them with selected people like i doin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► photostream I never want to take here's my entire phone jamming up to a social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► network service even if it has control that say oh yeah I know it will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► everything you upload won't be shown to anyone unless you explicitly say it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► don't forget the check the childlike even have all the defaults write even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► through all the heart is in the right place it just doesn't make me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► comfortable sick all my photos and put them on a social network like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► want to share them with the world I'm just looking for somebody to store and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► I saw him briefly I know I saw a lot of ppl just use Flickr and i actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► engage with somebody was like oh yeah but they default to sharing all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► pictures no no you don't need to file sharing all your pictures but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► completely agree with you john that's inherently opposed their motivations are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► inherently opposed to my motivations and and that's just not good so we can move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► on from this photo stuff and let me ask John if you were Stephen Elop and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► were trying to discuss without actually discussing what you do is the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► Microsoft CEO what would you do with Xbox and I didn't actually read all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► these articles about it was a bunch of leaks from presumably firm you lots camp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► about what he would do if he took over Microsoft and if you analyse stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► that like I assume the idea was to leak things that people would say that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► awesome get this guy he said he's gonna do you like to like to make public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► pressure you know his surrogates or whatever like suddenly that be pressure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► from the press from the public from Microsoft shareholders even get a guy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► there because he has some amazing ideas you guys are a bunch of bozos but on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► ideas put out some terrible and everyone seems to think they're terrible I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► like I don't know you know I don't know this isn't intentionally gambit was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► maybe they thought these were great ideas but I don't think they're real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► ideas and I don't see anybody else making their real ideas I mean maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► they're scary and radical not survive he's gone for like he's ready to shake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► stuff up there no sacred cows or whatever but don't get rid of the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► thing that is a cut the one price microsoft has probably the most loved by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► customers you can take the most successful product because they had you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► know was that multiple billion dollar right down because the red ring of death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► on 360 isn't it lost money for years and it's hard to break even improbable I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► think recently but over the entire lifetime still hasn't decided to hold it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► took to get there but people like people like the Xbox and that's the world to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► Microsoft's it's not easy to say that about much of anything these days so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► getting ready getting rid of that only makes sense if you decide that Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► is not going to be consumer company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► anymore just gonna become like Oracle with a different logo and I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► that's a win scenario for anybody now would you try to kind of pull the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► opposite or maybe similar thing to what they do with windows and brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► everything that everything new perhaps Microsoft does with Xbox this next box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/1397">TS</a>]
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00:35:19 ◼ ► time Intel platforms stand-alone DND package from a ghost and Intel pot farms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► web deployment package from a ghost and Intel platforms all of these are the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► version number despite the note in the top saying that you want at the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► version number I don't know what he wanted tips to on VPN a PID wanna do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► stand alone DMD package on web deployment package like no instructions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► easiest way to file I want was to search for the version number string on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► page to a page in browser you know search for the thing cause then I found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► like way down and said if you scroll past hundred of these things for Linux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► or Windows versions of Windows different platforms different versions eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► I found the one that I want and the thing I guess the US and this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2155">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► next time you're on some web developers now some some developers website and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► what platform Iran and gives you a gigantic shiny red glossy button with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► download link for the latest version of their software for your platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► appreciated because like you know when you go to website and like that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► they want you to have you want to go to some IndyMac development is just jog at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► the button says download now download right here even if a link to the Mac App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► Store them take you right to the thing underpriced offer you have to hunt for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► the download link decoys like all those one that is red and yet the note fixes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► and I don't you know not selection of the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► a bunch of his heart disease to just throw in a range for the non-tech savvy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► they find it I find the download link that I want i click it and no I get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► message saying after login right so I figured that would be the case then i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► can download their software is crazy like Marco said you have to register an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► account so I register I create an account I check my email for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► confirmation message the message I click the confirmation link that I attempt to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► log into my new confirm Cisco account and I get this error message I N word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► your login was unsuccessful for one of the following reasons you entered your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► use your idea and our password incorrectly please try again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► that's a bulleted items the second bullet I do you recently registered or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► reset your password our systems are updating your information please try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► God its slave flag that actually nervous so so then we come to enterprise all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► resumption number three what works and the rest of the world and the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► the world if you create an account and the email you confirmation link and go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► through the whole of course you can log into my account you just confirmed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► time you can even partially log into an even if you haven't confirmed but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► know to sell you have confirmed your right but the enterprise world merely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► creating an account and clicking the confirmation you can log into it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► so yeah so I wait five minutes right same error I wait 10 minutes America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► I'm thinking maybe I missed my password and then maybe I mistyped it twice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► during the account creation process is possible to capitalize on some crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► things like that right so I reset my password but thankfully they have forgot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► your password link or not they go on to another round because sometimes I forgot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► your password thinking like call somebody or something i reset my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► password reset type in your password I try logging in with my newly reset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► password and what I horse again is that same error message that says you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► your User ID and our president correctly pasar grin as one bullet item or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► recently registered to reset your password and I did recently reset my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► password and I realized like that's not going to help me because I get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► error message again this message was unsuccessful for one of the following [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► reasons and it gives two possible reasons one user ID and password [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► incorrect to you just recently registered or reset I did just recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► recently actually for reasons to believe points please try again in five minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► five minutes wait ten minutes fifteen minutes wait a whole day you actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► did a whole day who knows it was like maybe like you said maybe it hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► problem maybe like some person has to read down on Form and like many graphic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► put into magic to let her know how things get into the real database enter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► into an Excel spreadsheet and son prince that Excel spreadsheet and then sent to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► pick off as an office is entered in their COBOL system and I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► I gave it a whole day same error message and this just makes the assumption of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► three works in a restaurant doesn't work and enterprise create an account you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► login to reset your password you can log into it so now I'm in desperation mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► email like the support right now you know some fun on the website something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► like technical support the Cisco website right here seem tired text of my email I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► can't log into my account cisco.com I give the user name as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► I tried resetting my password each time it has succeeded but each time a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► password still does not work I think it's straightforward I know what else to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► tell them like I gave them my username I i said i cant login and their first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► thing is gonna be like oh maybe you forgot your password you should probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► resent it so I felt like I should tell them i reset my password several times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► actually visited several times and each time it says yes we reset your password [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► but each time I try to login again my new the reset password doesn't work at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► all I said I didn't have to go into this big rigmarole about the weird messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► and stuff like that I figure maybe something weird on my counter I'm locked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► out of the should be able to see on their end failed login attempts or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► something who knows I got a response I'm at like 12 hours later which is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► darn good and I'm not being sarcastic about this in terms like customer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► support for for any company 12 hours it pretty good turnaround time on a support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► email but especially were becoming like Cisco master reply there john thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► for contacting Cisco by adding Stardust cisco.com to the Trusted Sites you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► able to login success how to do it question mark AMA follow these easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► steps period just steps are labeled with a capital A . click the tools button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► then click Internet be click the Security tab see now click Trusted Sites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► they click on the site's bundy goes to the instructions for Internet Explorer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► adding start as a trusted site because I guess the assumption is my problem is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► can't login is not addresses I didn't say anything about residents in the many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► rich green johnson didn't mention platform but this is the response I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► its ok forget about that time the creative I know I didn't do this earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► but I made an incognito window and chrome of deleting cookies like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► start with a fresh slate and I go to college porn motifs are the kids I go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► login form enter my password it works i login I'm the top of the page like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► username I go to My Account on my game I count it works everything works great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► and so I get to the download link I click on it and asked me to login and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► now I read the message the message that it's that shows you when you try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► click on the link the message that was there the first time but they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► finish reading because of impatience and down the software you must login [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► either linked to login and the first time I encountered this problem I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► either click the Login link and it went through you don't have an account create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► account blah blah but a message continues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► you must login and have a valid service contract associated with your Cisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► enterprise software some new number for sometimes despite all the terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► things that are terrible bad press off where it's at least partially your fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► if I had read that message the first time I probably would have stopped this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► process I don't have a valid service contract associated with my cisco.com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► problem I don't have a cisco.com program instead I read the software you must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► login login with blue and underlined I clicked on it and I went off so I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► every other user doesn't read all the messages just gets the part that I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► to get too so i cant get this offer myself I don't have a service contract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► over how long between the first time he saw the Login link and click did and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► realization now that you needed to read the rest of the message as you mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► at least a 12 hour wait right in my god I try to Monday and went through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► whole big thing and then it kept asking me to its final wait till tomorrow night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► ride second day and and then did the email thing coming up in my backpack is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► the third day like I'm not like sitting there hammer in this is another run at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► it and by the way I think the prob with the incognito window thing is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► probably could keep me seeing that he was trying to get the destination acts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► but before you get there we understand you often this tangent create an account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► login to it I think what happened was I went off and attended credit account and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► everytime onto the login form is trying to sell me his mission to get to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► every time I logged in you'll probably accept my offer authentic Asian try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► send me the destination then bouncing back and say oh you can't get it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► you have long been sending back to login for the error message doesn't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► anything about that in their message was terrible anyway I was in one of the four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► yeah now it's like while clearing cookies while clearing cookies allow me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► to get login because it sent me just tell me on the home page then write so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► couldn't get this offer myself so I figured let me try to get in the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► that my work says I'm supposed to get right and they're in their instructions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► which I've done before obviously cuz I have the existing version this weekend's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► make sure you're not on the VPN Sep 10 which so he struck mister and rain rain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► go to some special URL login with my special where credentials below to Java [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► applet tragedy check my platform and send me the file and most of the time of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► some light line credentials work then sometimes bouncing back to login page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► and then the whole browsers Friday need to clear cookies are quite the browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► and relaunch it and have a chance at a job a blowout load for the Java applet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► hang their platforms i try Chrome and Safari try Firefox I can try in my VN [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► other text platform and if it works in Windows but then gives you the Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► version of it right though I was fine with us I'm used to it eventually get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► downloaded look at of course it's still the old version right now I just have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► work late for work to update its old versions and this kind of the stadium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► and now it was like I can't get this offer myself I have to wait for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► office up to the version software I told him you know I told them I beginning of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► this process before I started any of it I sent a support ticket said hey can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► have the version of the video that works in every small ball but I know turned on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► a really long and that so while this was going on it was pretty well let me try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► to get the thing myself and the question is I guess why does this have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► downloader like why does it require a service contract what why are all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► things that are happening why are they there why isn't this bpm installer just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► a download link that says website why isn't as I just wanna share my work but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► I guess it comes down to control like I T departments and offices want control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► because they don't want to just let anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► install any software they want they have to qualify it to determine that it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► well the other software that qualified to work in the company or whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► it makes sense from their perspective because it's the best way to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► predictable results when you're supporting hundreds and hundreds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► people have a set of approved software nothing new goes in that setting to its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► testing to make sure it works with all the other proof software and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► just let users download where the hell they want installed on their computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► like the opposite of I T supporting you know didn't do a whole nuanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2771">TS</a>]
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00:46:41 ◼ ► people who really really don't like Apple like period they just don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► Apple and they don't like Mac in all capital letters and I have to wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2805">TS</a>]
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00:46:58 ◼ ► companies have been among them the percentage of them who are the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2818">TS</a>]
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00:47:14 ◼ ► don't like it they don't respect it and I think it also applies to enterprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2834">TS</a>]
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00:47:33 ◼ ► enough to actually pay any attention whatsoever to the betas or two or to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► prioritize the releases that fix horrible bugs that that only affect Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2857">TS</a>]
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00:47:57 ◼ ► that's definitely a Mac in all capitals bug and that's that's on our bug that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2877">TS</a>]
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00:48:37 ◼ ► new build up then you know in weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/2917">TS</a>]
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00:53:15 ◼ ► well now I'm tempted to know now finally fix all the typos I'm a condition to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► give me the login credentials and talking to John here it is doing way too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► much planning as evidenced by last segment so that's a lot like preparation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► and notes to me like once this process started and like I need to write this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► stuff down because the details are important the exact error message if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► just said trying to do something it was a bunch of errors and stuff it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► like you really need to get the details on that John let me tell you you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3220">TS</a>]
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00:53:58 ◼ ► unacceptable I'm just lucky now you're you're on notice so earlier KJ healing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► in the chat said think of it this way people who develop Minecraft mods as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► children grow up to be enterprise software authors as adults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► minecraft model there is way more enthusiastic in their enterprise people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► they totally wanna be there like as soon as a new Minecraft version they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3259">TS</a>]
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00:54:27 ◼ ► the betas works with the second beta of 1.7 1.7 official comes out you can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3267">TS</a>]
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00:54:34 ◼ ► and if you count all the prerequisites that they don't mention that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3274">TS</a>]
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00:54:49 ◼ ► college for a couple of years was writing enterprise software and and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► was a very small company but but we our customers were very big companies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3293">TS</a>]
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00:55:13 ◼ ► nobody ever asked for that when I would when I would actually get to spend some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► time doing it and I will work on it for like a month no one cared no one said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► anything anymore sales it probably didn't result in any benefit to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3320">TS</a>]
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00:56:03 ◼ ► well that's mostly true so as someone who has kind of a leg in both universes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3363">TS</a>]
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00:58:20 ◼ ► it's actually starting to be more more prevalent for even non-technical people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► like the executives at the company to use Macs and I thought that was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► now with regard to the enterprise software specifically so we work with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► all different size clients we work with extremely small clients and we work with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► pretty big clients and measuring pretty big that generally speaking tens of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► thousands of employees and if there's anything I've noticed is that it firstly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► the the group that were specifically working with 10 in large degree make or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► break a project so if the team at the client that we're working with is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3537">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► enthusiastic and really excited and really wants to build what's right then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► we can play off of that and we can build what's right there are other times that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► will be working with a group of a group of the client that is not enthusiastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3553">TS</a>]
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00:59:24 ◼ ► search engine company it even if we pose the most amazing solution to a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► it's usually men met with nobody's gonna care and and i think what that comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► from years I've noticed in big companies across a couple of jobs now because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► gonna consult for a while then really be companies it seems like what I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► define as middle management so people that are not peons but are not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► that important either they all go firstly there's a million of them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:59 ◼ ► they all deep down inside realize that they're kind of expendable and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3599">TS</a>]
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01:00:10 ◼ ► mission to prevent anyone else from knowing that they're expendable so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3610">TS</a>]
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01:00:19 ◼ ► Susie into me and Johnny and and Sally and everyone there all these middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► managers need to have their names now of course not but all of these managers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► need to speak up in let it be known I said something interesting and I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► this was my idea and because of that nothing gets done because everyone has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► to have an opinion about everything and nobody can agree on everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3643">TS</a>]
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01:01:00 ◼ ► but what's almost worse is is when you have a group that's really excited and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► really interested in really cares and then they're met with so much inertia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► that's really or so much I guess non inertia in other words the company that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► around them is so stagnant that there's nothing they can do to move it and I and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3678">TS</a>]
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01:01:27 ◼ ► knew them average was coming out and wanted to go to WWDC in really cared at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► all this was happening but everyone around them just didn't care and didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► let them take action and that's what you see in corporate America and it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3698">TS</a>]
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01:01:47 ◼ ► very small portion of corporate America it's mind-boggling to me that this works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3707">TS</a>]
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01:02:25 ◼ ► startup selling the services to another EC funded sorry it was like it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3745">TS</a>]
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01:02:52 ◼ ► error on real cheap and the building owners are pretty well too high rents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► vacancies was a problem yeah but like so many companies that presumably they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► some product or service they got itself entrenched it really does make money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3784">TS</a>]
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01:03:20 ◼ ► keeps running as you keep our money and because you didn't put money in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3800">TS</a>]
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01:03:25 ◼ ► something else would happen but if everything's going well you guys get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► play this game of basically you know internal office politics was ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► without worrying because the money is coming in just jockey over who gets the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► credit for which amount of money came in and do a source of an efficient internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► things at the scenario for imagining and Cisco scenario I guess like companies to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► reactive enough that I will sign when the customer complaints that flooding in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► that is a that's an input to the company that's a metric that someone's tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3830">TS</a>]
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01:04:02 ◼ ► billion dollars at Cisco and he has Mavericks and he wants to be into work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► then it's a fire drill and everyone all hands on deck and maybe that little unit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► that Casey was hypothesizing you know like how we've been telling you that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► a week like an okay now you get to do it because it's it's a fire drill and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► there's something to it but but like many many scenarios like this could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► possible I just don't know what's going on inside and like and think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► enterprise software is like it exists for a reason that is mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► understandable like the people in my company or do I T like marco was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► about the the NIT people who have the Mac I've had those I D people I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► have the now my company has a good idea department wants to do the right thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► and in fact are usually enthusiastic about Max and are trying to support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► their deficit is maybe they don't experience and so they don't deserve a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► nobel gonna figure it out but their requirements are like enterprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► software is made for them again the customers that could make improvements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► to the enterprise software and no one would care of the customers won't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3896">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► using the software Genet enterprise software the customers people buying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► I think they care about a very different like in our company where we're now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► supporting max more or less officially like I was the first night into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► company like 45 years ago and now their Macs are everywhere the officially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► supported but to give an example the masseter officially supported have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► run PGP whole disk encryption and if you're a Mac user like why would they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► that while in the design file to its awesome everybody loves it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► well because files software meaning it doesn't cater to the needs of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► enterprise more the needs of the enterprise for like my company feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3929">TS</a>]
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01:05:36 ◼ ► the ability to report that not just install whole disk encryption all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► machines but proved in whatever way this ID proof or whatever auditing purposes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► that everyone has an installed in PGP whole disk encryption as enterprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► software sales in the Enterprise IT SEZ teacher check box on the back of the box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3948">TS</a>]
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01:05:54 ◼ ► can report that it's enabled on all such and such assistance right by Walt to is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► not enterprise software doesn't have that feature may be out for remote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► desktop does or some other piece of software that the enterprise but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► just get a new Mac incomes at Mavericks and you click the check off the firewall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► to check box and enable at all whatever there is no reports central reporting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► structure to know and they need to do that for complaints so of course they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► gonna buy the software package that says hey I T manager we know that you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► do these stupid reporting things is because your legal department tells you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3980">TS</a>]
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01:06:37 ◼ ► would have to buy these third party product we just thought to its awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/3997">TS</a>]
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01:11:08 ◼ ► don't like the six looks just icing on the road I would have gone to it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRuHA_g/4268">TS</a>]
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