615: Upgrade*
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Hello and welcome to Connected Episode 615.
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It's made possible by our sponsors, Squarespace, Backblaze, and Revenue Cat.
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I am your annual chairman, Steven Hackett, and I am joined by Man of
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the People, Mike Hurley.
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Uh I have the pleasure of introducing not the constant as he was known,
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because the constant's not here.
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It is in fact the draft champion, Jason Snell.
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The upgrade draft champion, Jason Snell.
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Hi, thank you for uh introducing me with my title, and it's a pleasure
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to be back on uh the connector program.
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I hadn't talked to Mike this week, Steven, because he was uh he was
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flying when we did upgrade on Monday.
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So it's nice to thank for thanks for sharing Mike with me.
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Let me tell you the the the temptation I had to get over to
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not put earnings talk in this episode.
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Like the we'll do a we'll just talk later offline.
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Uh we can have just have a nice talk and you can show me
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some charts and we'll do we'll be fine.
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I said to Jason, I was needing to upgrade, and it's I had that
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rare feeling of like need feeling like I needed to talk to him and
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Dan about what they were talking about.
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Um so it it it took a lot from me not to put that
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that conversation into the show, but we're not here to talk about that.
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Uh we got lots of other things to talk about, but we're gonna start
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with some Snell talk.
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I stole this from your feedback form in the CMS.
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Wow, he's just okay.
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Jack asks, does Jason miss 3D touch?
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Um, Jack, I I don't.
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I don't even a little.
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I I I never used it after I like tested it for when it
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when it came out.
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And I like the idea of kind of a right-click for touch, but it
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turns out tap and hold is that.
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Like, and it was completely undiscoverable, and even though I knew it was there
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and I never used it because I just didn't even think about it.
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So it's a nice idea.
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I do wonder a little bit if this we if we should throw this
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into the list along with the touch bar as things where like the hardware
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people are like, oh man, we can do this thing, we press harder and
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we can sense it.
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And then the software people were like, nah, eh, we're not that excited about
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Sounds like the touching bar a little bit.
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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Is I if I I wonder if this is like that, where there was
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a real disconnect between like the enthusiasm of hardware people to build uh cool
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hardware and the software people just kind of were not believers.
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Um, but regardless, it just kind of tap and hold like when they when
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they took it out and it was just tap and hold.
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I I literally forgot that they took it out.
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Somebody had to remind me, like, you know, it used to be 3D touch
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and I'm like, oh yeah, I guess, because just tap and hold seems much
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more natural.
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Peak and pop, baby.
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Do you remember peek and pop?
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I'm just sure.
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I mean, a lot of apps still use it, and the main use of
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it I it remains, which is being able to preview an iMessage without opening
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it so you don't mark it as red.
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And I do that to everyone, including both of you all the time.
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How dare you?
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Um but it's just the thing that sometimes I just want to know what
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you say, but like I haven't got the time to deal with it, and
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so then I don't leave you on red, you know.
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No one wants to prevent that.
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Yeah, because I am a red receipts person.
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I think I think that is the fair thing to do with your friends.
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So if you would like to send in a snow talk of your own.
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Just go to upgradefeedback.com and you can see that.
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And then Steven will read it, I guess.
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Stephen Steven will steal it.
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So look forward to that in the future.
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He's peeping, he's peeping in there.
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He's peeping in our uh our comment form, Mike.
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No, it's terrible.
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He's always doing that.
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Like Steven does this, like, and I get it.
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It's like he gets admin privilege, but like you upload something to that CMS.
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If he wants it, he'll just download it.
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He doesn't care.
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Oh, more than that, uh, I have access to the design of California Slack
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And at some point, Jim put like a rough edit, and I was like,
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should I listen to that?
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But I I restrained, I restrained myself.
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You don't have the Dropbox, so not yet.
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Steven, did you know that I um have I have some admin privileges to
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the relay site, and I can I think I could I can post blog
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Excuse me, one second.
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Let just let the man blog.
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User you need you need me, you need me in there because if I
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see a typo, I can just fix it.
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I hate that you do that, both of you, by the way.
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Oh, I do it all the time.
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I don't I don't want people going in and changing my stuff.
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Leave it alone.
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It's not yours.
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Oh yeah, yeah, Jason.
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You're a full admin in the CMS.
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That's fine.
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Yeah, I was trying to figure out how to create.
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We we created the design in California show in the CMS yesterday.
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And I had a moment where I was clicking around, like, I should be
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able to just create this, can't I?
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And yeah, new show.
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I guess I could have done it.
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It's right there.
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But I but I did it.
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Although so much needs to be done for this page, even though it does
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But it's how come in gang.
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It's it's on the way.
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Yeah some sometime soon.
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We're working on it.
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Google Health, the application you need for the Fitbit Air, now syncs data to
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Apple Health and Health Kit.
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So it went the other way, right?
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Where the Google Health app would slurp up your Apple Health data.
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Now it's bi-directional.
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Zach call it nine to five, uh reported on this, and it seems to
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include sleep data, steps, workouts, and vitals.
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Um, and it I mean, in my brief time with it, it seems to
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basically do what it what it's supposed to do.
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And this is what I want out of really any third-party tracker, especially Google
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Health, because that app is is pretty bad, and I don't want to interact
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And so uh they've uh they finally got this going.
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Um a friend of mine who is let's just say um well acquainted with
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Apple's health initiatives, um sent me a blog post in like 2018 or something,
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someone had written a Google uh fit Fitbit at the time was like, yeah,
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we're not gonna deal with Health Kit.
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Like, well, times change, baby.
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So just to like check what's happening here.
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So now your Fitbit Air, that's what it's called, right?
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Yes, Fitbit Air.
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Well, if you're wearing it, it's gonna sync its information to the Google Health
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app, which then will sync that to Apple Health.
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Have you seen this happening?
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I mean, it seems to seem to do it.
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Again, I I didn't have a ton of time with this.
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Um, but seems to be.
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Are you wearing an Apple Watch at the same time?
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Uh currently, no.
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Because I wonder what happens, you know.
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No, I've been um I've been wearing a G Shock for like a month.
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Because when I was whooping, when I had the whoop band, I had to
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turn a bunch of stuff off because I was wearing the whoop and the
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Apple Watch.
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Oh, my step count like quintuppled almost.
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It was ridiculous.
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It was just like suddenly I was running back.
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It's a lot of steps.
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It was a nightmare.
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I had to turn a bunch of stuff off.
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Because I don't actually think it was double, which was the funny thing.
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And and that was like with the very weird way that these things count
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information.
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It was not good.
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And so you you have to be careful with that if you do use
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multiple, but probably you shouldn't use multiple.
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And I do have the Garmin one on order.
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Um, but it is not shipped.
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So what is that?
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I uh it is one of these, but with no subscription, is that correct?
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No subscription.
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People were mad because there was some heart rate tracking stuff that they were
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gonna put in the subscription, and then they've said no, that will be free
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for everybody.
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Oh, wait, so there is a subscription.
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Yes, but it's very specific things that most optional.
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Yeah, I don't think most people will need.
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And the Fibonacci, you to be clear, you can use it without a subscription.
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The the big thing the subscription gets you is like the Google Health AI
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coach, which just vomits paragraphs of LLM text all over the user interface.
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It's not super useful.
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Hey, people like that.
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Do people want to read paragraphs of text?
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I've heard people are really into it.
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I don't know.
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That's good.
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Uh we have some long-term follow-up here from listener Steve, who sent in follow-up
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like a year and a half ago about AirPods translation, and then just a
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note this past week saying I tried AirPods live translation on a trip to
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Spain last year.
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Timely, Steve.
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My partner and I joined a brewery tour that was entirely in Spanish, so
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I put my AirPods in as an experiment.
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I followed the guide's story reasonably well, uh, though series tone couldn't capture his
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genuine excitement.
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The real problem was latency.
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I was 15 to 20 seconds behind.
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By the time he asked if anyone wanted more beer, I was still laughing
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at an earlier joke.
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So he thought I wanted a refill.
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I accepted anyway.
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Must have looked really weird if you're continuing to laugh.
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Like everyone else has stopped and you're like, ha ha ha!
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Maybe don't offer him any more beer at that point.
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What is this guy doing?
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Uh yeah, okay.
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I mean, like, I don't know how you solved that, right?
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Like, I guess there's just like maybe maybe more advanced on device models can
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speed that up.
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But I don't know how c how much latency you I mean, I guess
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you could get pretty close to it, but yeah, interesting.
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Have you guys used the live translation stuff?
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The only time really that I would have to use this if is if
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is if they had Romanian, which they don't, and I understand why they don't.
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Um, but I do wonder if large language models should make this kind of
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like expansion faster, like two more obscure languages.
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Like you give me something rather than nothing, I feel like, but I I
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don't think they're ever gonna support Romanian.
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Yeah, that's a bummer.
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This feels awkward to me.
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I think I would only use it if I felt like really kind of
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Like if I was if I was in a country where everybody spoke that
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language and I didn't, and I needed to understand what was going on, I
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would try it, but I haven't been in one of those in a while.
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So and I'm not gonna do it like the guy who was trying to
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fix my sprinklers the other week was is it doesn't speak English very well
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Uh if at all, he's very quiet.
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Um and I'm not gonna do that, right?
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I'm just not I'm not gonna say, hey, let's try this out.
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The Google Translate deal, you know, like you're just writing stuff and showing it
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to each other.
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Like I feel like that bit of people do that more and more.
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Like I've done that.
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The translation app on iOS.
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I I've I've used that in that way.
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Or in iMessage, even you can use it, which is pretty cool.
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Good news for CarPlay enthusiasts.
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It's coming to boats.
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Boat play, baby!
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It's not car play when it's on a boat.
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Why it's not a car, it's a boat.
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Yeah, so it shouldn't have it.
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That's what I think.
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I don't want to keep your car play out on my boats.
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That's what I said.
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Yeah, car play out of boats.
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Hashtag carplay out of boats.
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This is my this is my stance.
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Well, I was gonna buy this yacht, but it just has Android Auto.
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So Yeah, exactly.
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I don't want no, but again, don't put Android Auto on a boat either.
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Android Boto.
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All right, and I need someone to explain to me why this is useful.
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So Mastercraft is a company, they make lots of boats and own boat brands
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Um I didn're adding car play to some pontoon boats.
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Pontoon boats are generally like they're not you can use them for fishing, but
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they are primarily used for like family outings or parties or that sort of
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Like big, wide, flat boats.
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Party boats.
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Party boats.
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And more and more over the years, boats have had increasingly good audio video
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Like to a point where if you have like a ski boat, you have
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like giant arrays of speakers pointing backwards so the person skiing can ski along
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to ACDC or whatever.
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But the interfaces for those have been pretty bad.
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Like it's like a little Bluetooth box, or it's aux in or it's some
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proprietary nonsense.
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And now it's just car play, which lots of people know and love.
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And they are putting um or they're working with a company called, and I
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promise you this is their name, Savvy Navy.
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To bring on water navigation to cover.
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Because my question was gonna be like in this screenshot here on 9 to
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Well, that can't be Apple maps, because they don't have boat mode, boat and
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If you go to their website at savvy navy.com, those top headline is could
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they not get it without the dash?
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Do you think?
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Uh I don't know.
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It's like Google Maps for boats.
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That's their slogan.
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It's like Google Maps for boats, you know, for boats.
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Savvy Navy No Space is parked, but it's easier to parse with a dash
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Today I tried to register a domain name and was annoyed that it was
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taken and couldn't believe it, and it was taken by me.
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So there we go.
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That's where I am.
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That's so I was like, how did somebody get that domain?
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And the person who got that domain was me.
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That's hilarious.
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Uh like I've tried to register it through Hover and it asked to make
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Can you imagine if I would have made an offer to myself by the
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domain name?
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That would have been incredible stuff.
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I wish I would have pressed that button now and not really thought about
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checking the next step.
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Then you get an email and you're like, oh, that's a pretty good price.
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I can sell that.
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Let's make a profit.
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So is it which one of you's gonna trust test the boat out?
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I have I have a friend with a pontoon boat, but you know, obviously
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it's not this this has been added to like this.
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You gotta buy a new pontoon boat with a with a an infotainment system
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that then supports boat play.
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So I don't know.
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Don't think you can get some kind of retrofit system like you've done with
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cars, Steven.
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You can't sure.
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I mean, sure, I think people have been doing that, I would imagine.
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This is what I would recommend is you know, get a kayak and get
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like a get one of those in dash uh third-party, you know, OE non-OEM
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uh car play units that you have to attach to like a uh battery
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via some like little wires.
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It'll be a pr you put some tape on it, it won the water
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won't be a problem.
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And then try.
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This this could be the thing for you.
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You could do this.
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Yeah, but I have a canoe.
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That's what that's what I'm saying.
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You could do this, but you you know, you wouldn't.
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Or I can play.
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I could turn my pickup truck into a boat.
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It's like a TV show you did that a long time ago, but can't
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As we have spoken about on the pro show for eight weeks straight, Federico
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has been doing some Ethernet stuff.
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Uh and it it reminded me that at one point Jason had Ethernet cables
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running across the roof of his house.
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Which is true.
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Horribly upsetting.
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And I wanted to get uh an update on your wired networking situation.
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Well, I've got great news.
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I had an electrician come out.
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We talked about this on upgrade a little bit because big right?
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Because my electrician's name is David.
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And when I asked him if he could also do Ethernet, he said, Are
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you kidding?
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They call me Data Dave.
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I remember Data Dave.
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It's like, oh, you didn't know that about me?
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I know that I'm legendary as Data Dave.
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And so he did it.
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So what so my house does not have an attic to speak of, a
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crawl space, a basement.
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It's a concrete slab, and the and there is an there is an attic
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to call it a crawl space would not even do it justice.
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It's at its highest point, it might be like you could wedge a small
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person in there, but like you might not get them back.
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It's a one-way trip.
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It's not it's not, so you can't do stuff like that.
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Not it would be an enormous undertaking to try to wire stuff in there.
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You could also we discovered actually when we were trying to do some um
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lighting and and stuff in our living room that there's a beam that comes
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across the living room that completely blocks one side of the crawl space from
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the other, a support beam.
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Um, because we thought we had blown insulation into this one crawl space, and
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then we opened up the other half from the garage and discovered it was
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like a time capsule from 1954 or whenever they built the house.
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It was pristine.
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There's nothing in it, it.
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It was completely untouched because it was completely isolated from the rest of the
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house, which makes putting wires through it that much more complicated.
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So um the truth is, what did Data Dave do?
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You know, drilled a hole in my garage, ran three Ethernet cables out.
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They're tacked under the eaves.
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Um one goes into, or is it three or maybe just yeah, one goes
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into the living room, which is not very far.
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One goes into the back bedroom, and one goes into uh Jamie's old bedroom,
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which we use as Studio B.
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And so I've got wired Ethernet going into all three bedrooms because there was
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already a wire going in, already Ethernet going into the other bedroom, and the
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living room and the garage, which is where my fiber router is.
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So um, so I have access to wired Ethernet.
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My house is not very big.
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Uh uh the these cable runs are not particularly long.
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Um, but that means that I've got I've got wired going in.
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And that that proved that replaces Steven, your favorite feature, which is I used
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to just have a uh a hundred foot or whatever Ethernet cable that came
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out of the uh the living room and and went up onto the roof,
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across the roof, all the way to the back bedroom down in the end.
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And that is uh that has been removed and and and trashed uh because
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there's solar panels and stuff up there now too.
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There's no place for that kind of thing up there.
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So uh so yeah, that's the that's the story is data dave took care
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Um, and so now I've got access to that.
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And I do I take advantage of that?
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I don't know.
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I mean, my Apple TV has that uh has access to that.
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The the the computer in the back can be on when I'm working back
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in the back bedroom or in Studio B, it's wired.
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It's a wired connection to out here where I've got the fiber, so it's
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fast and I can connect everything, you know, without having to resort to the
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And then there's an Eero back there as well as out here.
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So I've got I've got wired Eero.
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They don't have to talk to each other via radio.
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They can they can just be on the same wired network.
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I have had a weird thing happen lately, which is I have I have
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the the Eero what seven, the fancy big one.
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And what I discovered is that I have certain devices that um that struggle
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to see it in my like in my driveway.
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I feel like there's something going on with it where it's not I I
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Some some of my devices like struggle to see it.
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But the thing is I have a second network that is in my fiber
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router that um I have for a very stupid reason, which is that my
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washing machine couldn't connect to the Eero.
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It's a known problem.
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Uh you don't need you don't need your washing machine on the network, Jason.
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What is the problem?
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Uh it's something with like the frequency of Wi-Fi or the standard of Wi-Fi
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that the Eero uses is too advanced for the washing machine.
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But fortunately.
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I'm sure you did.
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But like I've had this problem with some Eero stuff.
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You can turn on like a temporary 2.4 gigahertz mode and connect it and
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it will latch on.
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I've had that before.
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I don't know whether that would have worked, or maybe even I tried that.
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I don't know.
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I I basically said there's a whole wireless router in the fiber router that
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I'm not using.
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So I turned it on and created a new network for it.
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And now I have several kind of smart home things that are in the
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front of the house or right outside that are all on that network instead
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because I think it's dumber and older and slower, but they that like a
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lot of smart home stuff is really happy to just be on the dumb
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slow network and not on whatever the hacky hero is doing.
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So I'm not yet I've not yet crossed over into the ubiquity realm like
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uh like Steven R.I.P.
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He's a ubiquity guy now, but um Casey got him.
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It just seems like a lot of work, honestly.
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Well, and it's the classic.
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This is like an upgrade we were talking about.
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How um we heard from everybody who uses FileMaker, we heard from literally the
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entire FileMaker install base.
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Uh and we're like, how how is FileMaker still around?
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And the answer is because once you build something and you invest years into
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it, the cost of keeping it up is a lot less than the cost
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of tearing it down and replacing it with something new.
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And I feel that way about like Eero and Ubiquity.
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It's like if I started from scratch now, I've seen Steven's dashboard.
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He showed it to us in Memphis.
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I saw all the little dots animating showing where every single packet in his
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house was going.
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And I thought it was super cool too.
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I would absolutely do that today if I was starting from scratch, but I'm
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I've got a thing, it mostly works, and my washing machine connects to the
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other router, and it's fine.
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That's uh so that's it.
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I I'm I'm glad I could fulfill your um talk about networking uh fix
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since Federico wasn't.
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We'll be back next week talking about more Ethernet stuff.
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Yeah, it's great.
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Get data Dave.
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He needs a trip to Italy.
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It's not really a thing that I felt like I needed.
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I've been pretty happy with Raycast as a clipboard manager.
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I was using it before uh as my launcher before Spotlight got its upgrade.
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And I switched over to Spotlight, but I didn't.
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There was a couple of things about the way that Apple implemented the clipboard
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manager that didn't really work for me.
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So I continued using Raycast and I got very used to it.
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But then PaySpot 3 came out and people seemed very excited about it.
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And uh I used to use Paysbot back in the day.
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Do you remember when PaceBot on the iPhone used to pretend it was a
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VoIP app and it would stay constantly connected with the little blue bar at
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the top of your screen so you could send information backwards and forwards?
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That was a weird time to be alive.
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But this doesn't have this is just PaysBot 3 for Mac.
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I wanted to try it out and it solved two things for me immediately.
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And so now I've moved to Pay Spot away from Raycast.
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So one of the one of the main reasons that I use any clipboard
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manager and uh what I was using Raycast for is for copy and pasting
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text from websites into Google Docs.
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Because for some reason, Google Docs loves formatting.
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It loves it.
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If you copy something from Bloomberg, oh boy, does it want to put that
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in a in a uh a serif font for you?
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Like it just wants to, you know, like it oh boy, can I keep
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the formatting from Bloomberg?
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Let me try my best.
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And I don't want that.
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I just want to paste it in like regular plain text.
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And the easiest way that I found to do this before was just to
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uh I would copy the text and then I would open Raycast and just
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like you know, like you just use the keyboard shortcut, which I think I
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used as command shift C, and then just press enter, and it would just
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paste what I wanted because it would be the first entry.
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And so like I like that a lot.
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It was just an easy way to be able to strip the formatting out
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of something, put it into Google Docs.
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This is mostly for the upgrade show notes, right?
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Because I'm copying things from Bloomberg and pasting them in to our uh notes
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to read them, and it was just a nightmare.
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PaySpot has, I would say, more features than you would expect for a clipboard
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manager in general.
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This app does a lot of stuff.
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Uh one of the things that I really like is you can take any
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text, you can manipulate it in some way, and it well, in many ways,
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but you can also add specific key bindings to specific manipulations of text.
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So I now have a global shortcut to just straight up paste any text
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into any document, and in the middle, it's going to turn that text to
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So now I can just copy something and hit command shift V and it
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will just paste that text into plain text anywhere.
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This is very good.
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I like this a lot.
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So this is just like one of the text kind of manipulation things that
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it does, and then you can set a command to it.
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You can also bring up the pastebot menu and go through any of these
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um manipulations say that it might do to text that you might want.
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And it will show you in UI like what the text will look like
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when it's done.
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It's like something like you can take text smileys and turn them into emoji,
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So if you I don't know who this person is that that wants emoji
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but doesn't use emoji and wants to do like colon close parentheses and then
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turn that into a smiley emoji, but it will do that for you if
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you want that.
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Um so that one's great, and then there's also a second thing, which you
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can you can save your snippets into collections, so like a paste bin.
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Uh and I have a bunch of things.
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So in widget smith, we have a thing called the Inspo tab, which is
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like a things you can do in widgetsmith.
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It's like a social media feed inside of the app.
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It's a blog.
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You can say it's a blog.
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No, you think it's a blog, and I think it's a social media feed.
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This is this causes a lot of conversation between the two of us.
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It's not a blog, it is a social media feed inside of the app.
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And we it's written in Markdown, but we also use some HTML.
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And so I just have a bunch of HTML snippets that I now save
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in a paste bin so I can easily access them without needing to search
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too much for them.
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It's very good.
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So I need to dig into Pay Spot more because there's like a bunch
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of rules and commands that you can do.
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There's like a lot of stuff in this app, but I'm very intrigued by
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It's like a it's a thing that I didn't think I would necessarily want
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to change in my life, but I like the way that they've implemented it.
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I don't know if either of you have played of it at all.
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I've been trying Spotlight again.
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I tried it when Tahoe first came out and sort of bounced off of
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But I'm trying it again because in Golden Gate, you know, it's tied in
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I was like, I should I should understand this better.
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But the clipboard manager in Siri I found kind of frustrating that you have
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to like invoke it and then you have to change modes within Spotlight.
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It's a bit a bit clunky.
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Um and so like you, I saw Pay Spot 3, people were excited, and
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so I'm trying it now, and I really like it.
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I like that it's sort of separate from the launcher in a way that
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I I was using Alfred before for for both things.
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There are some things in here that I wish were better.
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Uh when you pull up the palette, which I have is Command Shift V.
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It's relatively useful, but like I mentioned to Paul on Mastodon today, is like
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if you have like code for a color, it gives you a little swatch
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showing you the color.
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Um some of the others don't do though, is it shows you not only
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the format of what it is, or like is it text?
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Is it a PDF, but the application where it came from?
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Which is surprisingly useful if you're trying to find something, you know, that was
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a while a while back.
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It's like, I know I was doing this in, you know, Mime Stream, but
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where is it?
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Uh and the search is pretty good on the uh on the little uh
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palette that comes up.
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So uh I'm liking it.
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Uh I think it's gonna probably stick around for me if I stick in
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spotlight, but I think there are some things that some some niceties that some
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other clipboard managers have that they should look at.
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I should say that um the clipboard manager in spotlight also shows the app
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that it comes from.
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Okay, which is nice.
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Launchboard doesn't do it.
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Um, but it does.
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It shows like a little icon next to it.
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And it's like if it's from Safari, there's a Safari icon.
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And yeah, I had like a Dropbox link and it's got a Dropbox icon
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next to it, which is kind of nice.
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Um Yeah, even the text thing, and it's got like a BB edit text
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icon with a slack badge on it.
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So there's a lot of information there.
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I'm not quite sure how you interpret all of that, but it is there.
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I for me, I've never used Payspot, and I wonder if I should.
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The challenge that I've got is that a lot of what it does, I've
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replicated elsewhere.
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Like I have a keyboard maestro macro that I use when I'm doing especially
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design in California research.
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It's very much like Mike's uh uh Bloomberg paste where it's like it it
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takes it to it wraps it because a lot of stuff, especially from like
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PDFs of books that I want to quote, they come in with line breaks.
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And so I have a pace bot or not pay spot, uh, a keyboard
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maestro where I type like semicolon wrap and it wraps the text on the
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clipboard and pastes it in.
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They specifically have one for doing trim white space, like a so remove leading
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and trailing spaces and tabs from each line, leaving the text between them untouched.
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Like this is like one of the little writing manipulations they have.
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Yeah, I think I so I think part part of it is going back
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to what we were talking about with uh the networking, which is like one
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of the challenges is do I rip up the thing that I've got set
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up that works fine to do something that does the same thing, but might
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be a better tool for it that I'm gonna have to set up and
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learn and all of that.
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And I think that's what's kept me out of it.
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Is I have so you know, I have so many automation tools now that
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like you see another one and you're like, yeah, but I already automated that
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with a to completely different pathway.
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Yes, even though this might be a you know, because keyboard maestro is a
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general purpose automation tool where Pacebot is really targeted on this.
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So I'll think about it because like I I I know so many people
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who rave about it, and I think it probably would be a more appropriate
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set of tools, even though I could replicate everything it does in keyboard maestro
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or somewhere else somehow.
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Keyboard maestro is really good for this.
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This is the you know, uh uh thing with a little key binding, and
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I mean I've got it ended ending up being uh uh an expansion.
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So instead of it being command shift control, whatever, it's literally, you know, semicolon
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wrap and it just backspaces and then puts it in there, which is really
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I also wonder if I'm having the a little bit of the clean shot
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response here, which is um everybody loves clean shot.
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Mike talks about it all the time.
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All the time.
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And I my response is always like, yeah, but I'm happy with the system
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screenshot utility, which does almost everything, does everything I need.
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And every time I say that, I get like five messages that say, But
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did you know that it does this?
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And did you know that it does this?
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It's like, well, okay, but I don't I I'm fine.
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And so I think I wonder if that's part of it too, is like
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it's a I'm sure it's a nice utility, but if my needs are being
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served, I'm not sure I need to go through the process of you know,
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repla replacing it's hard to replace something with something else that does the same
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Even if your workflow has evolved where you're avoiding the here's the catch.
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If you're avoiding something, or you just don't do something because your tool doesn't
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do it, you're actually cutting yourself off from having some improvement.
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But you don't, in the moment you don't think about that, right?
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You're just thinking about a one-to-one replacement and saying, why should I bother?
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So you really do need to have that moment where you think, actually, this
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could open up new pathways for me.
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And I pay spot, honestly, Mike, hearing you talk about it, it makes me
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feel a little more like I actually should explore that because there's probably more
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possibilities that I could do in terms of how I process stuff on my
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clipboard than I'm currently doing.
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They're they have like the the pre-built kind of like things that you can
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do uh really good, but then you also can kind of build your own
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filters that do a bunch of things, and like they have like you can
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they kind of give you a a manager to build them, but it's like
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you know, you can chain you can do uh custom find and replace HTML
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stuff, base 64 encode, like there's like a lot of things you can do
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which you would probably enjoy.
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But the even just like the standard things that are built in, like another
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one, uh convert to title case.
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So now I can select some text, copy it, and then just hit a
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keyboard command and it will convert that text to title case for me.
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But like I I was feeling in the same kind of thing if you
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was like, why would I why would what is this gonna do for me?
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But it was this sense of like it's not just me bringing up the
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clipboard manager and doing things with the text that just if there's something on
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my clipboard, I can now just hit a specific keyboard command and it will
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just do the thing that I want it to do, rather than me either
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ever having to bring up the UI in the middle of it all.
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That was the thing that was like, oh, that's really good, because now I
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can just save a couple of unnecessary keyboard commands that I was doing to
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be able to just like do this pasting the way that I wanted.
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It just it will just do it for me.
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So I like that.
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The business model that they've got I find really interesting.
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So you can either subscribe in the app store, it's an annual subscription.
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Uh it's 2499 a year or two ninety-nine a month, or you can buy
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it from them directly for $39, and that is one year of updates, and
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then you pay $20 at or $19, I should say, for any for every
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other set of updates you want over a year.
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So it's like they're like, Well, what if we do both of the systems?
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And like I remember a time when you weren't allowed to do this kind
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of thing, but I just think that time is gone now.
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Um but it's I find it really interesting that they're kind of like pick
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your poison.
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Do you want the old way or the new way?
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We're just gonna offer you both of both of them.
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And so I thought that was I thought that was really interesting.
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It's time for some helpful consumer advice from the connected program.
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We got a uh a couple things we're gonna talk through.
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The first one is weather stations.
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Um we've been talking about this on the show a little bit.
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I've always wanted one, but have never really gotten gotten there.
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But Jason, what should I get?
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Well, so I have had a weather station in my backyard for twenty almost
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twenty-two years.
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I'm on my second, which is pretty amazing that this is a piece of
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tech hardware and I've only had two in twenty-two years.
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I mean, I'm gonna give you the spoiler alert is I'm gonna give you
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the boring answer, which is actually I think the wire cutter pick, which I'll
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get to in a minute, is the probably the right one for you.
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Um the so you gave me some specifics, like you've got Wi-Fi that's available,
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so wherever you put this, it's gonna be able to see your Wi-Fi network,
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which is good because you do need a wireless network.
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There are sort of two ways that these devices tend to handle it, which
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is either they're on Wi-Fi or they do a radio transmitter, and then you've
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got a receiver in the house that's you know, which is what I have
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for mine, is there's a receiver in the house that's on the uh on
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my Ethernet network.
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And so they talk over a radio frequency, not on Wi-Fi.
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And then that device is the one that logs the data and talks to
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the cloud and all of those things.
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And has an API so I can query it and it talks to my
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weather app that on my Mac and all of that.
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But um a lot of them just have Wi-Fi now.
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Um power, you said might be tricky.
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The beauty of the weather station is generally, and and the one I'm gonna
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recommend has a battery option as a it's an option, but you should put
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a battery in it.
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Um they have solar panels and a capacitor and a backup battery.
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And this is how I have run my weather station for 21 plus years,
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is it's never been connected to power.
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Um so you you you know, you make sure that it's got solar, it's
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got a solar panel on it, um, put in a battery backup, and then
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um it's got a capacitor.
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So the idea there is the solar drinks in enough and it's low enough
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power that it'll get through the night and then come back.
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But the battery is nice to have for a cloudy day and in the
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winter and all of that.
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And um that worked uh like a charm for me and continues to now.
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So you don't have to deal with power, which as you might expect for
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a weather station is good because these are often in weird places that are
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That's one of the reasons why they a lot of them have RF with
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a receiver, is that you can get more distance out of RF than you
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can just standard Wi-Fi.
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I also feel like if your weather station can't be powered by solar, then
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nothing you own could ever be powered by solar.
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I I suppose.
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I feel like just at a simple level, if the thing that you put
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outside to track the weather doesn't get the sun, you're out of luck.
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If ever there was a a product that should be solar powered, it's this.
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But yeah, they're often on like a remote hillside or or somewhere.
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Mine is I've got a I've got a metal pole attached to the side
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of my house that it that it's on, but you could put this in
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your backyard, you know, you know, wherever.
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And the wire cutter pit is the ambient weather WS2000.
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The good news, I looked up the tech specs of it.
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Like you you want to have the sensors that you want.
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I think the ambient weather comes with, you know, it's going to tell you
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how much precipitation you got.
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It's going to tell you the temperature and the humidity.
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Um, I think it's expandable.
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So if you had other sensors you wanted to add that if there's something
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that it doesn't measure, you could do that.
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Um they all do cloud connecting now, so it'll go to Weather Underground and
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and some other sites like that.
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They have their own ambient weather thing that you can log into and see
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And I believe all of these things now have like API support either directly
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to the device or to their cloud service or to another cloud service that
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you're uploading data to.
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So if you wanted to have a custom front end somewhere in home assistant
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or on a web page or whatever, you could do that too.
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Like mine, um, and it's not actually the weather station, it's the little receiver
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that's in the house.
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Like there's a URL that gives me like a a JSON response with all
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the current weather data.
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And I can just parse that.
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And that's very easy to do.
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And there are plugins for home bridge and home assistant that will also do
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And so generally these days, back when I got my first weather station, it
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the the receiver was um a it was a PC serial connection.
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So you had to get a PC serial to USB adapter.
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Um, and I had to use this incredibly weird piece of software.
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Um things are a lot friendlier now, which is really nice.
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That and I also that was a Davis Vantage, which was a much more
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like a pro weather station.
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Um, but now they discovered, hey, regular people like Weather Station stuff too.
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And they they all have like apps now too, where you can like put
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you can put their app.
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I'm sure Ambient has a an app that you could put on your phone
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that would just be like your own personal weather station, but you can integrate
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it elsewhere.
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It's all that stuff is so much better.
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And then it's just a matter of what you want to do with it.
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Um and and you know, I have a whole system that I had set
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up, but it's because my system was much more complex in the old days,
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like so much we've been talking about.
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If I were to set it up today, I'd probably keep it a lot
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But instead, it's this thing that's evolved over, you know, 20 years.
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So yeah, I think I think you could read the wire cutter article.
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That there's uh a different weather station that's like easier to set up, but
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I'm not worried about you being technically flummoxed by a weird weather station.
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I think you got it, I think you're gonna defeat it.
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Um and uh the the keys are just make sure that it's solar powered
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because you don't want to deal with power issues, yeah.
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Um, and make sure that it is measuring all the stuff you want to
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have measured and that it will do proper like connections so that you can
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get at that data from somewhere.
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All right, I'm gonna make some bookmarks because I want to do this.
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And um honestly the the ambient weather one looks great.
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So yeah, it looks a lot like mine.
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I have a vantage view, which they also reviewed and they didn't like because
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they didn't think it was as accurate, which I mean, whatever.
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The Davis vantages are are are like they were the ones that were the
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standard forever until these other companies have gotten into the mix now.
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But um, you know, there's no it's very industrial and unfriendly in a lot
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of ways because it's a company that's come from the professional side, right?
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Whereas some other companies that have come from the consumer side have sort of
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stepped up their game.
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And and that makes me reluctant to ever recommend something from the other side
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because it's really kind of unfriendly and probably overpriced.
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Um, but I bought another when my when my Davis Vantage Pro died, I
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bought another Davis Vantage largely because I felt like they had built a piece
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of hardware, computer hardware, that I kept outside for about 18 years and it's
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it it didn't die for 18 years.
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And I thought, okay, you you you're gonna get my money as a thank
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you for making something that lasted so long.
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Um, but for other people, uh I would I I think the ambience sounds
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like a pretty solid.
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I haven't used it, but it looks solid.
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Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna check this out.
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And I totally get like the loyalty thing.
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I mean, uh that makes a lot of sense to me.
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I'm I'm very much the same way.
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I mean, if that one, don't get me wrong, if this one broke in
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like two years, I'd I'd be furious, but um, but I I feel like
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I owed them.
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But you know, you gotta make this stuff's pretty rugged because it like Mike
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was saying about uh if there's anything that's gonna be solar power, yeah.
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If there's anything that's gonna be rugged, it's gonna be a thing that you're
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just gonna leave outside forever.
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And they are generally pretty rugged.
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The only warning I'll give you is every so often you gotta check the
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it or some stuff from a tree hasn't fallen on it.
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Spiders love these things, so taking a little rag and wiping out the spider
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uh webs and stuff is a thing that's gonna be.
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That's a reasonable.
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Didn't you write the wire cut or optical for weather stations once?
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What did you do?
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No, I wrote a I wrote a roundup in Macworld uh um in, well,
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let's say 2004.
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What did you do for Wi-A Clunter then?
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I know you did something.
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Was it routers?
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Uh no, I did uh Smart Thermostats.
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Smart Thermostats.
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In the early days when there were only like three of them.
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Inside weather, if you think about it.
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Inside weather.
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So I've been travailing my backup strategies over the course of the last few
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And something else that I want to do now is to have proper network
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attached storage because designing California creates many gigabytes.
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Many, many, many, many gigabytes.
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I don't always like most podcast editing files, I just get rid of them
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after a certain period of time.
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I keep the Cortex episodes, they're in Dropbox, taking up a lot of space.
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But this show's gonna take up a huge amount very quickly.
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And I don't want to have to deal with basically I was getting pretty
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close to my Dropbox uh limit recently, and I was like, well, let me
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just increase it.
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And I actually can't.
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They won't let me increase it.
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They I would have to go on to essentially an enterprise plan, and I'm
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just not willing to do that.
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Um so I did end up finding some files in my Dropbox that realistically
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I didn't need anymore, so I I got I took them out.
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But I want to have a network attached storage system for this project.
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And I've been looking around and I've been thinking, I mean, going back to
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some of the stuff I was thinking about before, because I have this Mac
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that's always on, and I've got files saved on it, and then when I
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started thinking about that, I'm like, ah, well, the problem is I'm going to
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need to share things with Jason or Jim at certain points.
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And do I want to be like doing the management then of like, all
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right, so now let me upload this to Dropbox and then share the link
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with this thing.
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It's like, no.
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So what I have what I think I what I think I've landed on
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is that Synology is right for me in this scenario.
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Um let me talk about why I think it might be and then why
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I think it isn't, and then maybe you two can tell me if you
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think I'm on the money or not with this thinking.
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So something like a Synology is something that I can connect to.
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I can mount to it when I'm in the studio, but it's a standalone
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box, like it's just do living its own life, right?
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Like it's it's not dependent on any particular computer.
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I like the idea of a product that can I can do other things
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Like if I also wanted to have a Plex server in the future, I
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could do that.
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It can also, you know, perform its own backups and stuff like that, which
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I think is an interesting thing, right?
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Is it is essentially a computer, so it can do things on its own.
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Um having something that's always connected to the internet, so I can share files
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with other people and get to them from other devices too, right?
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So I can I can I know it I can't remember the name all
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this, like Synology Drive or whatever, um, so I could log into that and
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grab files over the the internet from somewhere else if I wanted to, as
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well as sharing with other people.
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I also like the idea of the system being able to have its own
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redundancy, right?
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That like I can fill it with drives and and have it do in
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some kind of RAID configuration.
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The downsides.
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So my very shallow research, I will say, uh suggests that these days, to
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get the best out of a Synology, you should be using their drives, which
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I know created a lot of controversy.
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That's just marketing BS from it.
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Okay, so to get the best based on what they're saying, right?
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Like they say, I'll say.
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They say to get all of the features that you might want from a
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Synology, you should use Synology drives.
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Now, I understand that the thinking for the people are upset about that is
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partly price.
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However, in the world we're currently in, there is Synology drives are essentially priced
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the same as everybody else's because everybody's drives are so expensive.
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So that's one thing.
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But you know, anyway.
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And the other thing is, the other I guess the other downside, which I
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think I know that two of you will would probably say this to me
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anyway, is this is absolutely going to be harder than if to configure and
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manage, and if I just had a big drive connected to my Mac.
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But the problem is I don't think it solves the main thing that I
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think I'm going to need, which is a lot of storage of which I
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can share specific files with other people very easily.
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So this is the situation that I'm in.
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Um I've I've got a link in the show notes.
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Uh this is mostly for you two to look at, but I will put
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it in the notes.
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The product that I think I'm settling on is the Disc Station DS925 Plus.
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I did this research like a month ago.
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I don't remember why this is the one that I settled on, but it
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is the one that I settled on.
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And I found a company in the UK that will sell it to me
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with a bunch of Synology's drives, like 16 terabytes.
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It's expensive, but it's kind of like what I expect to pay.
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If I if I price this up myself on Amazon or whatever, with just
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like Seagate drives or whatever, it's very much in the realm.
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And I'll say that that realm is like 1300 pounds, which is very expensive.
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But this is the problem.
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If you want 16 terabytes of storage in the year 2026, you're gonna pay
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And yeah, um that this is it.
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So what do you what do you guys think about this thinking?
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And do you think I am anywhere in the ballpark?
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I think I think you are it it it is nice just to have
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a big drive attached to a Mac.
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It's how I did it for a long time before I moved to a
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But the upside is also the downside.
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Mac OS is the intermediate layer.
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And I think for your need, and that's fine for a lot of people.
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It's fine for me for a long, long time, but it comes, it does
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come to a point where you need something that is more tailor-made for things
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you mentioned sharing, RAID, doing its own backups.
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Um when I looked at this, I know I'm gonna sound like a fanboy
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because we talked about networking earlier, but like I chose uh a uh Ubiquity
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NAS because there it is.
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I I didn't need or want my NAS to be a computer.
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Like my NAS is just a bucket of storage on my network.
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Now it can, it does back up to Backblaze on its own.
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It does have some of those simple things.
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I can also share files from it, but it's not like syncing with my
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Dropbox and hosting Plex and doing those other things.
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That's what I wanted.
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Those are the trade-offs that I wanted.
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I think for you and what you have outlined as your needs, uh, both
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here and elsewhere.
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I do think Synology is probably the way to go, even though it's expensive,
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even though they sort of stepped in it PR wise with the hard drive
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I think it being a computer is beneficial in your circumstance as opposed to
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using Mac OS to do this.
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I mean, like the thing, like I need to share this folder with with
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some people.
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Like, I mean, good luck doing that with with Mac OS.
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Uh and I'm sorry.
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It's just not, it's just not a server operating system in the way that
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something like a disk station has.
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Yeah, I I get it.
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I I still use a Mac with a rate attached as my storage.
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And I don't have the ability to arbitrarily say, let's just share this.
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I mean, I I I haven't felt the need.
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I could probably look into it, but like I I tend to put things
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in Dropbox if I'm sharing them, and then they just kind of get archived
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back on the server um later.
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And I actually have my server syncs to my Dropbox and it keeps everything
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local, so there's a local copy, and then it can land sync to the
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other devices.
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Here's my concern for Mike.
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And I I'm not saying no to this.
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I'm saying here's my worry is I think you get frustrated at things that
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are I'm trying to be nice here because No, no, no, say it because
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I agree with you.
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Just so just say it.
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Well, anytime I ever try to explain something to you that involves the terminal
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or a Perl script or a Python script or a Unix command, you're like,
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ah, no, get it away.
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And the problem is you are with Synology, you are welcoming a Linux server,
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basically, into your life where a lot of it is web UI, which is
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But it's not already the web, the UI is the great part because the
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other part is, oh, why is this working?
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It's like, well, maybe you have to open, I don't know, a terminal window.
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Um whereas if you have a Mac attached to a RAID, and that you
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know, you can do that.
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I use SoftRaid, and I have a I have a four-drive array, and it's
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Um and redundant, so like if one of the drives dies, all the data's
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still there.
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Just put in another drive and it syncs it all up.
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Um it's a Mac, which means that the downside is to Steven's point, it's
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not a server OS.
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There is usually software that can do the things you want, but you have
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The upside is everything you do to interact with that thing is in the
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context of the Mac and Mac OS and Mac OS software, which is more
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comfortable.
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Honestly, that's it.
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And when when I advise anybody about this, that's what I say is something
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like Synology, they've tried to make it very easy to use, but you are
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welcoming a Unix system essentially into your life that is tried to be friendly,
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like with web pages and things like that.
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You could probably do it.
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But my fear is you're gonna hit something and you're gonna be like, oh
00:57:38
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no, and have lots of sadness and regrets.
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The Mac is gonna be less capable, but more recognizable and understandable to you.
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So that's your decision.
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I think the Synology's come uh a pretty long way.
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I mean, uh there may be things you need to do that are nerdy,
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but it it has been designed, I think, um, for more and more people
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to use, and it has a really good community around it.
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So if you do run into something weird, um, there's lots of people using
00:58:07
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them, you can just call Casey because he has six of them.
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One thing Jason said sprung an idea uh in my head is depending on
00:58:17
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how you have your network set up and how you have this set up,
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and you can do this with a Mac, but because the Synology basically has
00:58:25
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like this like web front end thing, you can access it from anywhere.
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So if you're at home and someone needs something, you don't have to deal
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with, I mean, you can I mean with tail scale and stuff, it's easier
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than ever to Mac screen share across the internet.
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But yeah, I just use use screens, but yeah.
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Yeah, so so that that is it is maybe it's not a benefit, but
00:58:46
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it's also there on the Synology, that that sort of remote access stuff.
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Don't get me wrong, I think Synology, a Synology workstation to solve the problem
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that Mike has probably the right solution or ubiquity or whatever, you know, yeah,
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but but I think this is is the right solution here, except that you
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have to take on the idea that it is less familiar and could be
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frustrating.
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But I haven't also haven't used a server like this in a while.
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I'm sure that it's pretty good.
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I'm sure they've done a lot of work to make the web interface very
00:59:22
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full featured and friendly and not requiring people to do scary stuff, even though
00:59:27
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you can do scary stuff.
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And the danger in both of these platforms, by the way, and it's not
00:59:31
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one or the other, is there's some stuff that you're gonna want to do,
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and they're gonna be like, Yeah, you could totally do that.
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Now open up a terminal window and install this thing.
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And like both because I have that on the Mac too.
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I I'm running some stuff on the Mac that is like not friendly and
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not Mac software to do stuff, and that's the danger is you end up
00:59:49
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in this scenario where you're like, um, oh, I'm tempted to do this thing,
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and then you fall down a Unix hole and it's very bad.
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But I'm sure that at the top level, the functionality of the NAS is
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going to be better for you.
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It's gonna have built in most of or all of what you want to
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I'm just a little worried about Mike reacting badly to some of the stuff
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that it does because it will feel so foreign.
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Um, so you gotta be you gotta be strong and you gotta be committed
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if you do this.
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You just gotta go in with your eyes open.
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Your instinct is absolutely correct.
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I mean, this instinct is something that is born from exactly what you mentioned
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that you say to me, do this, and I say, I don't want to
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Can you do it?
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And then you do it for me.
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Um like even down to like uh like isotope, right?
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Like the yeah, you're like, Oh, I gotta isotope that file, and like, oh
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yeah, you should do it.
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So and then you do it for me.
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Uh to be fair, this week we had an exchange where I said, I
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said we need to make the wallpapers for design in California, and Mike's response
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was, yeah, you know, one of us could do it.
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And I said, Well, it's not gonna be me, which is fine.
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Uh well, we each have uh uh desires and strengths and weaknesses, you know,
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someone's gonna do and someone's not.
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Here's the thing my ideal scenario is that it's just a big drive connected
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to a Mac because I understand how to use that.
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But the the problem is it doesn't, I don't I don't then have like
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a good way to easily I want to be able to just share the
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file without moving it.
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I don't want to move it.
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But then the question is how often am I actually gonna need to do
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This is the thing that I don't know.
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Maybe I don't need to do it that much, and so it's actually not
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that much of a problem.
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If if you work like Jason does, like Dropbox is sort of the the
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current stuff, and then when it's what it's going to be anyway.
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And when it's done, it just gets archived off to your local storage.
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And I mean, what's the worst case scenario, right?
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So so say that you are and um you've archived something and suddenly somebody
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Well, you can remote it into that Mac and you have Dropbox running on
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it, and you have the storage attached, and you just drag it back into
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Dropbox, right?
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Like that's not the end of the world.
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No, it's not.
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And I already do it, I spent a lot of time getting a Mac
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just like that.
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It sits over there.
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Like, and so maybe maybe the best thing to do is that then.
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That I just get an enclosure, buy a bunch of drives, invest in some
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software to like do raid on it and stuff, and then just run it
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Because you're right, like it is going to be an easier thing for me
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to understand.
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And I and I am I will have less frustration, I think, if it's
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su if it is just something that is connected to a Mac, which has
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the Dropbox account on it that I would be pulling the stuff from anyway.
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And I have Tail Scales set up now, which is so I would never
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I would not have done this before Tailscale, because I could not remote into
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the studio before Tail Scale.
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I don't I don't know enough about what it does differently, but it was
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just a thing that would not work with any system that I tried.
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But Tailscale has made that work for me.
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And so like I feel confident that because I've done it a bunch of
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times already.
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Like and just go in and like do something on the Mac that sits
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here on this network now all the time.
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So maybe I well then okay.
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What company should I be looking at for just a good drive enclosure to
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put a bunch of drives in?
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Mine's from OWC.
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Which is like max sales.com, I think.
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Um and they sell them with drives or without.
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You can provide your own drives or not.
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And they also own soft raid.
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So you you get it comes with a version of soft raid that works
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with that enclosure.
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Um they're all like Thunderbolt enclosures, and you know, they make them at this
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I dream on having a uh uh an SSD raid at some point, but
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uh that that's even more expensive.
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You can buy a car, so yeah, you basically you you put in so
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I've got like four four spinning disks in there.
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Yeah, and the I will say the other the other issue with anything in
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your life that is a bunch of spinning disks is kind of noisy, yeah.
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So big enough.
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Your studio is enormous, so I I just put it far away from you.
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I will honestly we'll put it on the desk that you sat at.
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So that's far enough away from me.
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Jason, how has SoftRaid been for you?
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I've used hardware raid for so long for this stuff.
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Back in the day, software raid was like really frowned upon and kind of
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sketchy, but you've been running it for a long time.
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How has your experience been?
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Yeah, rock solid, honestly.
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Um it since I've been so I had a Drobo for a long time
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and then it died, and I I basically said never again and bought this
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RAID instead.
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And Drobo's gone.
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And they're gone, they're gone, long gone.
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Um, but you know, you can have the same thing.
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I have I have RAID five, which means that there's data on every bit
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of data you have is redundant.
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It's it's on two disks.
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So that's the thing where if one disk just completely dies, you've lost no
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Um you pull that disk out, you put a new disk in, it rebuilds
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the, you know, recopies everything, and it's but it's always the data is secure,
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which is awesome.
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And you can set that up fairly easily in soft raid.
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And then it just kind of runs.
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There's software updates you run every now and then.
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I think the soft rate driver is actually in Mac OS because it has
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to be it's like a low-level kind of kernel thing.
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And I think Apple just includes it, rides along with the OS.
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So sometimes there'll be a software update, and the OS update will update the
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soft raid driver, which is kind of wild.
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But um, it's solid, you know, and then and it will throw an error.
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That's another nice thing about it.
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Is like I got at one point, I've only had this one time since
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I've been using soft raid.
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I had a drive where it said this drive is putting it's like the
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yellow warning light.
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It's like this drive is going to fail, but it has not yet failed.
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And I got a notification and stepped through the steps of pulling that drive,
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putting in the new drive.
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It got back up to speed and and I was back up and running.
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So mine are right now.
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I have two 12 terabyte disks and two eight terabyte disks in my RAID,
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which nets out to I've got a time machine partition that's four terabytes, and
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a storage partition that's 24 terabytes.
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That's where I am right now.
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I I would definitely do four drives.
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I would not do two.
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Two two your option is just mirroring.
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I mean you could stripe them, but you don't have any backup.
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Or you don't have any I'm a big proponent of RAID five.
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I mean it's basically that's okay.
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You want a system where if a drive if there's literally a hardware, these
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are spinning disks, hardware failure, you're fine.
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Uh yeah absolutely and so you know that that does you know again increase
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But you were looking at a four drive Synology anyways.
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Synology yeah.
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Yeah I think I think if I mean I think a Synology would be
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fine, but I do think I've changed my mind a little bit in talking
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through this that yeah if if you're pretty confident like the Dropbox is the
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this you know the the active stuff and you move this stuff off then
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um yeah you do sort of have two sources and if you move something
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back to Dropbox you kind of have just like a make a mental note
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of you know what's where but again how often is that going to be
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I mean most likely if I'm gonna move something I'm just gonna send someone
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Like I'm gonna put zip file and Dropbox a little bit like it's it's
01:07:52
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not you know I think I think tail scale has a file transfer something
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to that you may be able to use where you basically tell tail scale
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draw that I'm gonna gonna use this and and then somebody can get it
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I don't know.
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I'm sure that that this is the thing is I'm sure there's a Mac
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solution to the thing you're worried about which is can I just share an
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arbitrary file off of my server with somebody at any point.
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I'm sure there is a Mac solution for that.
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Um it's just that you know, again, this is the trade-off is you will
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have to find that max solution and install it, but it'll be in a
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Mac interface, which you're familiar with.
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I'm sure Synology just does it out of the box.
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It will just be in an unfamiliar it honestly.
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This is a vibe vibes question a little bit.
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It's like, do you want to say, I'm gonna do it?
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I'm gonna go all in on Synology and I'm gonna learn this stuff, and
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I'm gonna get over my anxiety and I'm gonna do it.
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Or you're are you like, I got bigger fish to fry, I'm gonna go
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with what's comfortable to me.
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Because I think in the end it's about what what's gonna be the choice
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that make that you're more most comfortable with slash willing to invest emotional resources
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Yeah, no, I think I'm I think now I just need to find some
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I just need to find uh what enclosure to buy and then just start
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from there again.
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Back to the beginning.
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OWC has they call it the Thunder Bay 4, four drives.
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It's Thunderbolt.
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You definitely want Thunderbolt for this.
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I mean, these drives are not gonna be fast, don't limit it.
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It's Thunderbolt 3.
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What do we think about that?
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That's fine.
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But I have that's what I have.
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That's fine.
01:09:28
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I have a I have an OWC Thunder Bay 4 and it's uh it's
01:09:34
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a Canada reference.
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Thunder Bay is a city in Canada.
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Um, and that's what I have with with, like I said, the the four
01:09:42
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discs, 12, 12, 8, 8 for me, because I I think I stocked mine
01:09:45
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originally when there were only eights available, and then a couple of them died,
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and I replaced them with 12s because why not?
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Yeah, but yeah, and you know, you're starting out like it looking at their
01:09:57
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You can you can bring your own drives, um, or you can get them
01:10:01
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with what they call enterprise hard drive models.
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I don't know what that is.
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If you do buy your own drives, you want something that is designed for
01:10:11
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use in a NAS, uh some drives, um, they're designed slightly differently with the
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um the reality that they're running side by side, right?
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And there's gonna be noise and vibration and and heat around them.
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And so I use WD reds.
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That's what's in mine, and I've had very good luck with them over the
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I have seven eight terabyte in uh WD reds in my RAID, and it
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it's been great.
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Um I bought I bought those several years ago when it was far less
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Same I would not do, I would not fill all seven drive bays in
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my RAID now.
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Um if I was starting to be.
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According to Soft RAID, I have three of my drives have been used for
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about 55,000 hours, and then one for 8,000 hours.
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That's the one that got replaced.
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Yeah, but you know, they're there's they're still going.
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What did you US and digital reds?
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Yeah, that's what I'm using.
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A four terabyte.
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Four terabyte western digital red is 200 pounds right now.
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Yeah, that's rough.
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And that's too small.
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Yeah, because with because with RAID five, so you have four drives, say they're
01:11:28
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each what do you say, two terabytes?
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I said four terabytes.
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So you're gonna lose the capacity of two of them to the internal mirror,
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and you're gonna lose a little bit of the capacity of the other two
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due to overhead.
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And so with four four terabyte drives, you may come out with something like
01:11:49
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I don't know, like uh seven terabytes of storage.
01:11:55
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No, I've messed that up.
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Something like that.
01:11:57
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So I probably want to start with six terabyte drives then, right?
01:12:01
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Yeah, I'm trying to see if there's a calculator online.
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Four, four terabyts.
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Oh, RAID capacity calculator.
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Look at this.
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RAID five, four terabyte, four terabyte, four terabyte, four terabyte.
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Uh you would end up with 12 terabytes of capacity for with RAID 5
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with 4 terabyte drives.
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Oh, I think that's fine.
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Yeah, that's fine.
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If you went to six, I mean you're gonna, it'll be a big jump
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Yeah, but they're like 300 pounds each.
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Yeah, six is 18 terabytes.
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And again, you can I'm looking on the Amazon store right now, and the
01:12:36
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six the six terabyte western digital reds are right now, they're on sale, believe
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So they're only like 319 each, and the four is two ninety-five.
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Uh in which case I would totally get the sixes.
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Yeah, me too.
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Because they're not that much more expensive, but depends on where you're buying and
01:12:53
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if the if there's value there.
01:12:55
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Oh, yeah, no, I can see it actually similar.
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I'm looking at a different side.
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I don't know what's wrong with these six terabyte reds.
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They're like it's 260 for four or two hundred and eighty for six.
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And I I did mis misspeak.
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RAID five, you only lose one of the drives to redundancy.
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That's why my math was wrong.
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Um, also, I know drives are expensive.
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My recommendation is if you're gonna do a four-disc array, yeah, buy five discs.
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Yes, you want a cold spare.
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You want one that you can stick in if you have a problem.
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I knew this was gonna be an expensive project.
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Well, the cheap version is I was looking around and I was like, how
01:13:36
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many USB SSDs that are like one terabyte do I have laying around?
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And could they all get together?
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This brand, like the company that I'm looking at right now, they will only
01:13:50
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let me buy four.
01:13:52
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It's a limit of four per capita.
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You could you could also look the Seagate drive, I believe, is the Ironwolf.
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So there are other options.
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I just had good luck with WD Reds.
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I just sort of picked one.
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Because they're all gonna fail eventually, right?
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That's that's the truth of this.
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And so I believe I my my drives are even distributed.
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I think I have Ironwolves and WD Reds.
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Nice in mind.
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Oh, it's the Seagate Iron Wolfs are cheaper than uh Yeah, then there you
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Quite a bit cheaper, actually.
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The warranty may be shorter, that may be part of it, but yeah, you
01:14:31
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Warranty Schmorranty.
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That's right.
01:14:33
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Live on the edge with a raid protecting your data.
01:14:36
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I just looked the the last drive I bought was an Ironwolf 12 when
01:14:40
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I had that failure.
01:14:41
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Uh currently it's 429 for for that.
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In 2020, in in less than i actually, oh my god.
01:14:58
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A year ago today, in fact, I bought that drive.
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Happy anniversary.
01:15:04
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Well, so that's easy to calculate how much price has changed in a year
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The Seagate Iron Wolf drive that I just mentioned is one per customer.
01:15:13
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Where are you looking?
01:15:14
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Uh there's a company called Scan in the UK.
01:15:16
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They're really double price on.
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I'm trying to support you know.
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Bezos needs your money.
01:15:25
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That's true.
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That's true.
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Casey, I don't know.
01:15:29
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Maybe he's got another wedding he's got to do sometime.
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I don't know.
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It is now time, gentlemen, for some mask upgrade questions.
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I went into your form and took a question.
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Steven, I need those.
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I just took three.
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I just took three of them.
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I just took three.
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Edward asks, do you think that the Apple upgrade program will level out Apple's
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profits throughout the year?
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Um the boring answer is that I imagine the way that they will book
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the revenue.
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Because it's a lease and there's Klarna, is that they'll book the complete value
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of the phone when they start.
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And then that's my guess is that is that it will.
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And I doubt it's US only, and only a certain percentage of people are
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going to do it for any product.
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And I I just can't see that it'll make that much of a difference.
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If yes, if the grand uh vision that Mark German laid out in his
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report about this, where he's like, Apple could become the biggest subscription company in
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It's like, yeah, maybe eventually everything just becomes services revenue, but I I think
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it's a long way before we like take take all of Apple's revenue for
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a year, divide it by four and pop it into each quarter.
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I think that's I think that's not very likely.
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I don't think they want that.
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Um I don't I don't think it benefits them to have like let's imagine
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they could get into a world where they completely leveled out the revenue.
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Like I just don't think they would want that.
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I think they like the spikes, right?
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Like that that's it's fun to have these big blowouts.
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But also, yeah, I just agree with Jason.
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I I also don't if this thing became really popular and they didn't book
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the revenue like that, then their revenue will fall off a cliff.
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Like, which would they also wouldn't want to set up that way.
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Like if everybody in America buys their iPhone on the upgrade program, they would
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have terrible results.
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And I don't think that they would want to uh position it like that.
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But I also think whilst this is an interesting uh thing that they can
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offer, I don't think it's gonna be massively popular because people buy their phones
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with their carriers.
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Like that's how they do it, and they're just gonna keep doing that.
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Um but the people that use the upgrade program, I actually think this is
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a product that is better for Mac and iPad sales than it is for
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iPhone sales.
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For just they are much more expensive things that people buy less frequently, and
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so the idea of just spreading that cost out over a long, long, long
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period of time um is maybe a bit more um it makes it feel
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Um but yeah.
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I tell you, I was so happy to be away and not have to
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talk about this in any detail over the last week.
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Yeah, lucky to make one could not be more boring of a of a
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topic, really.
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And Steven, thanks for making us feel so at home here with yeah, these
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all these elements from upgrade.
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The Discord is like Steven doesn't know how to be Steven knew how to
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Steven wanted to be on upgrade.
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It's okay, you can do whatever you want.
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You know why?
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Because it's summer of fun!
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Summer of fun!
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See, there's another one for you.
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Yeah, all the all the hits.
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So playing all the hits.
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Money, money, money.
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He nearly got there.
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Hey, what are the words to that song, Steven says?
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Money, money, money, something, uh whatever.
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Everyone has some of it.
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Something like that.
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Bezos, Bezos, Bezos.
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Another Jason asks.
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Last year I put off buying a new phone in part because of the
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rumors of the folding phone.
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While I'm still interested in that, I've become more intrigued by the iPhone Air,
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even with the battery and camera compromises.
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I haven't heard any rumors about a new air.
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Is that just because all the full the fold takes all the air out
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of the room?
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Ah, or is the iPhone Air unlikely to get a refresh?
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It's time for rumor roundup, Mike.
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There'll be one.
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There is going to be one, but it's going to be next year, right?
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So there's like there have been rumors about a new iPhone Air, potentially with
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a second camera.
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And, you know, uh new system of chip would make it more efficient.
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Personally, this is like just as as someone who's using an iPhone Air, I
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really like it.
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I would be okay with a little bit better battery life and less heat
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if it didn't have the pro chip in it next year.
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If the pro chip next year can do all the Apple intelligence stuff, maybe
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that's also a way to.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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Maybe people may be that as a downgrade, but the air, I think, is
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gonna be in the spring.
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And and so for me, that leaves me in an interesting place because I
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really like the iPhone Air.
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I will have the foldable phone because I'm gonna need it for my work.
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But if I don't like You can just say you want it.
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Like it's okay to say you want it.
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I mean, look.
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Gotta talk about it, gotta run apps on it.
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It's a business expense if I keep talking about it this way.
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But if I don't want to use it as my carry phone, uh I'm
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gonna stay on the iPhone Air, I think, and then just like upgrade it
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in the spring.
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Like it is an interesting dilemma.
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And there's always gonna be.
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I mean, for the so for the regular phone, I don't think it matters
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as much because people are on longer buying cycles, and I I think there'll
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be some people be like, oh, why is there not an iPhone 18?
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It's like, well, just wait to the spring, like people will, I think eventually
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get word of that.
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Um, but yeah, the air is gonna be also in the spring.
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It'll get updated.
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Uh I don't think they're gonna get rid of it after one year.
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Um, is there an iPhone Air 3?
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I don't know, but I think there will be a two.
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The Air 2 rumors currently suggest more battery life um and a second camera.
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So there you go.
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They're gonna they're gonna if they do if they do do that, then they're
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going to quote unquote fix the two biggest problems that are perceived by this
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product, right?
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It was battery and a single camera.
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So if they find if they if they find a way to make that
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work by the spring, it's gonna be another solid try.
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But I think I think it is at this point clear to see that
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that price point for Apple is a desert.
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They have never put a product in there that seemed to make sense because
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they keep changing it and nothing works.
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I don't know why they they they feel they have to keep trying um
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when it probably makes more sense to do what they're about to do, which
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is just make a more expensive one.
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Which we've been saying for a long time, right?
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Like the name iPhone Ultra has been a we've been kicking that one around
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for a long time.
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We've been talking about it as just a more extreme, more expensive, more like
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quirks and features iPhone, right?
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Like we've been talking about it since the Apple Watch Ultra came out.
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Like, oh, why don't they make a an iPhone that's more expensive?
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Samsung does it right, like they have their ultra line of of their phones,
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and it's just here's just the most expensive one and it with the most
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amount of cameras, and it's gonna get all the big features first.
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So it seems like they're they're not gonna go about that in the way
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that we had initially thought they might, but now they're gonna give us the
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most phone asterisk ever by being a foldable phone.
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All right, final one.
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MR asks with the Mac Mini getting more expensive.
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Do you think it now makes sense for Apple to offer a Neo variant
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Something that costs $399 with the internals of a MacBook and EA would be
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fantastic as a home server machine.
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And they go on to mention like the Apple Watch SE, the iPhone S
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E now, that just the 17E.
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Um, why not a cheaper Mac Mini?
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I mean, the Mac Mini is the Mac Neo.
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They just can't make it for cheap enough.
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Remember, it was really cheap before.
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Like it it was it was a very good price for a computer, but
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they just can't make it at that level.
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I I don't think it makes sense to make a desktop Mac less powerful
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than that one.
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I think I don't that I don't I don't see why you would do
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Just wait and then bring the Mac Mini back down to 499.
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Yeah, I agree that look, everybody buys laptops three quarters of the Mac sold,
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probably at least, or laptops.
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Desktops are a niche.
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The Mac Mini is the low price desktop.
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That's like m like Mike said.
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Uh and I don't think that Apple would see a lot of value.
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Apple sees a lot of value in making a cheaper laptop because it goes
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in schools, it goes to people, you know, people who might be reluctant to
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spend money on a MacBook Air.
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It gets them up against a lot of really interesting products like Chromebooks and
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cheap PC laptops.
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A cheaper Mac Mini, I just don't like I think the Mac Mini is
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what they want to do there.
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I think that's it.
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And especially now that they have the Mac Studio.
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And I think actually the take of it would be a great home server
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machine is actually not true.
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If you look at the MacBook Neo, it is limited in I.O.
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It's got USB C, like that, and then you have like the weird 2.0
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thing going on.
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One of the nice things about the Mac Mini is that there's quite a
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for a machine so small.
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You can get it with 10 gigabit Ethernet.
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You've got a bunch of Thunderbolt ports out the back.
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Like even though, even when they shrank it down, they kept a lot of
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that that you know otherwise could could have gone, right?
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They even got the little USB C ports on the front, right?
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The iPhone chipset, at least as it stands today, isn't capable of that.
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And maybe future ones will be, but not today.
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And I think that that would I think there's a lot of people.
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I think Jason, you said this in a Mac Wor PC years and years
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I think about it all the time.
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The Mac Mini is like the escape valve for the Mac lineup.
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And it people do weird things with it and stick it in places.
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And one reason people can do that is it's cheap and it's small, but
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also because you can hook a bunch of stuff up to it.
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I I think it's more likely that Apple would if if these prices are
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going to continue for a while, I can see a scenario where Apple would
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like decontent the Mac Mini a little bit to get it down to a
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lower price, at least as a base model, and say things like, do we
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need three Thunderbolt ports on the back kind of stuff?
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Where, like, is the are there places that they could save some money?
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So not creating a Mac Neo, but saying, are there things we could cheap
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out on a little bit more on the Mac Mini to differentiate it, not
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not just differentiate it from the Mac Studio, but also to get that base
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price to come back down because it is really powerful.
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Like even I know that it it starts at what six six ninety nine
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now, seven ninety-nine now.
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But like it's a whole thing, right?
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It's got like a load of ports, like you said, Steven, and and thunderbolts,
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Um and yeah, I uh if you use an iPhone chip, it would have
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none of that.
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But I do wonder if they might look at it, the existing Mac Mini
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and say, is there a way for us to do a variant that's cheaper?
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But even then, like I I even then I question because like they want
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it to be what it is is what they want it to be, which
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is fully featured, tiny, and a low price for what it is.
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I think uh I think that does it for this week.
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If you would like to send in your own ask upgrade questions to be
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answered on a future episode of the show, just go to upgradefeedback.com and you
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can send them in.
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And Steven will read them.
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And Steven will read them.
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Even just to himself.
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I just answered them to myself quietly.
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I should go in there and steal them for blog post ideas.
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That's what I should do.
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There's loads of great stuff.
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There's a lot of great stuff.
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You guys get a lot of feedback.
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People should leave more connected feedback, you know?
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We get a little well, we get a lot of feedback because we have
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specific places.
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Like Snelltalk and Ask Upgrade just create a lot of feedback.
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Plus plus regular follow-up stuff.
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If you want the notes for the stuff we spoke about, they're in your
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podcast player.
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They're also on the web at relay.fm slash connected slash 615.
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There you can leave us feedback and follow up.
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