Connected

00:00:00 ◼   ► From Relay, this is Connected, episode 609. Today's show is brought to you by Mercury

00:00:12 ◼   ► Weather. I'm your keynote chairman, Federico Vittici, and it's my pleasure to be joined

00:00:17 ◼   ► by my esteemed colleague, the annual chairman, Stephen Hackett. Hello, Stephen.

00:00:21 ◼   ► Hello, Federico. How are you?

00:00:23 ◼   ► I'm good. How about you?

00:00:24 ◼   ► I'm good. I'm good. We are joined by Mr. Mike Hurley.

00:00:30 ◼   ► Oh, yeah. Look at that. Mr. and Hurley. That's nice. Sometimes I just get Mike.

00:00:35 ◼   ► Hello, Mr. Mike.

00:00:36 ◼   ► Hello.

00:00:37 ◼   ► Can you be Mr. Mike instead?

00:00:38 ◼   ► Sure. I can be Mr. Mike.

00:00:40 ◼   ► Okay. Mr. Mike. Mr. Hurley is my father. We got a lot of stuff to do today, but we should

00:00:49 ◼   ► start with follow-up.

00:00:50 ◼   ► I had asked for feedback from people about updating the digital versions of my Apple

00:00:56 ◼   ► history calendar. I got lots of feedback about that email in the feedback form. People want

00:01:01 ◼   ► it, so I am working on it, and I will have more soon tell you how to update existing ones

00:01:08 ◼   ► if you have them for my Kickstarters back in the day, or if you want a version of it now.

00:01:13 ◼   ► I'm also going to make that available, so stay tuned.

00:01:16 ◼   ► Well, how can people tuned? Are you going to tell them here, or is there somewhere else

00:01:21 ◼   ► they can go to get that information?

00:01:21 ◼   ► I think it'll be here. I mean, obviously, everyone's homepage is already 512pixels.net,

00:01:26 ◼   ► but if it's not, make it your homepage.

00:01:28 ◼   ► Did I? I don't think I've ever told you this, but if I ever need to test my internet speed,

00:01:34 ◼   ► like a connection, I always go to your website.

00:01:37 ◼   ► That's nice.

00:01:38 ◼   ► Because it always loads quickly.

00:01:40 ◼   ► Yes. Thank you.

00:01:41 ◼   ► The beauty of static side generation now is even faster.

00:01:46 ◼   ► Why did you have to mention this, Mike? Now he's going to talk about static generation again.

00:01:51 ◼   ► That's a really good point. That is a very good point.

00:01:56 ◼   ► I mean, how could you not? How could you not?

00:01:58 ◼   ► I want to get your opinions on Steve the Bear Cow, the mascot, the official mascot of the

00:02:05 ◼   ► Designed in California podcast.

00:02:08 ◼   ► I think it's great.

00:02:09 ◼   ► I love it.

00:02:10 ◼   ► Yeah, he's a good little guy, isn't he?

00:02:12 ◼   ► So this is our enamel pin design that we're doing for the podcast, and we fell in love with

00:02:20 ◼   ► him, and our audience has also fallen in love with him, so he will now just be the official

00:02:25 ◼   ► mascot of the podcast. He's going to show up in lots of places, I'm sure. But we took inspiration

00:02:29 ◼   ► from the Dog Cow, and we went with Bear Cow instead, and I'm very proud of how it came together. It's a riff on the California state flag for the pin design, but now we have a little character of our own.

00:02:44 ◼   ► Steve, okay.

00:02:45 ◼   ► Steve. That was Jason's idea. I was like, what should we call him? He said, Steve. I was like,

00:02:48 ◼   ► yeah, that's the one.

00:02:49 ◼   ► Obviously, yeah.

00:02:50 ◼   ► That's the one.

00:02:50 ◼   ► What's the deal with Evan Spiegel's ears?

00:02:54 ◼   ► All right, so, okay. I saw this going around. This is an actual tweet that Evan Spiegel tweeted,

00:03:01 ◼   ► because we were talking about the Snapchat spectacles last time, and it turns out that his ears just look

00:03:08 ◼   ► like that, like the top of his earlobe. So, okay, when I was, this to me looks like when I was a kid,

00:03:16 ◼   ► what people called cauliflower ear, but I expect it's probably not called that anymore, but I don't know

00:03:23 ◼   ► what the phrase is, and I didn't look it up, so I just said it out loud. And it's like, you'd see this

00:03:27 ◼   ► kind of thing on rugby players a lot, where like their ears would get deformed because they're kind

00:03:32 ◼   ► of like in headlocks and scrums and stuff like that. So I don't know if that's what's going on

00:03:36 ◼   ► with Evan Spiegel, but the top of his ears, the ear, like it's not even the, the top of his ear is like

00:03:41 ◼   ► larger, like kind of like ballooned, I guess. And so I think he's trying to say, that's why my ears

00:03:48 ◼   ► looked so weird with the specs. I mean, it's not the only reason, but, but, you know, maybe it's part

00:03:54 ◼   ► of the reason. So there you go. It's something new for you to learn.

00:03:57 ◼   ► I think this makes the glasses, uh, uh, media thing look even worse actually, because they

00:04:06 ◼   ► shouldn't have had him do it. They shouldn't have had, someone should have said, not only these are

00:04:09 ◼   ► too big to ship, but your ears look like this. It's really going to look like they're being pressed

00:04:14 ◼   ► down because that was the universal response to this. Someone, someone in this company is not

00:04:20 ◼   ► empowered to say no. And they should be. Well, I think, but this is, I think emblematic of the

00:04:25 ◼   ► whole thing we were talking about last time anyway, which is just like, there are so many

00:04:30 ◼   ► places in which someone should have stopped the demo from going down the way that it did.

00:04:37 ◼   ► Like, even if you take his ears out, it's just like, these just don't look right. And we maybe

00:04:42 ◼   ► shouldn't be selling them as a consumer product for $2,000. Like there are so many places in which

00:04:48 ◼   ► they should have stopped, but it didn't. Yep. It's, it's a, it's a bummer. Yep.

00:04:54 ◼   ► We need to talk about iPhone airs cameras. iPhone, iPhone's airs cameras.

00:05:02 ◼   ► I think if you say iPhones, you can just say air.

00:05:06 ◼   ► iPhones with a Z.

00:05:08 ◼   ► Oh, okay. That's why I didn't hear the Z.

00:05:11 ◼   ► I mean, uh, the accent makes it tricky. Uh, we were, I, I reviewed the iPhone air last

00:05:19 ◼   ► week. And one thing we talked about was the rumor is the iPhone air two would get a second

00:05:24 ◼   ► camera. Would that be ultra wide or zoom? There's been a, some more discussion of this elsewhere,

00:05:29 ◼   ► including on daring fireball, um, where Gruber kind of looked at his photo library about what

00:05:35 ◼   ► he'd used for ultra wide versus telephoto and pointed out as we did at the ultra wide gives

00:05:42 ◼   ► you other things like macro mode, uh, which is sorely lacking on the iPhone air. Uh, and listener

00:05:50 ◼   ► Steve wrote in, uh, this is not something I thought about, but makes tons of sense. I'd always assumed

00:05:56 ◼   ► that they pick wide versus telephoto because of how thick the assemblies are. The telephoto would be a

00:06:01 ◼   ► longer, thicker component, or now it's on its side or kind of, it's that, what do they call it? The

00:06:06 ◼   ► prism, the, um, tetra prism, tetra prism, like that's got to go somewhere. And the iPhone air famously,

00:06:12 ◼   ► like most of its guts are up there in the iconic plateau. And so you've got to fit all that in.

00:06:18 ◼   ► And that means the telephoto takes more physical space and that's difficult. And so maybe that's

00:06:25 ◼   ► one reason they also default to the wide angle. Um, I think it's a combination of all of these things

00:06:30 ◼   ► things. And if you are lacking a telephoto, you do have digital zoom, which is not great,

00:06:36 ◼   ► but you don't have digital wide angle, right? You can't, you can't digitally back out of an image.

00:06:45 ◼   ► Well, of course now you can, I guess with, with, uh, Apple intelligence, but Apple would say they

00:06:48 ◼   ► have that thing right where it's like the two X that's in the iPhone air, right? Yeah, it is.

00:06:54 ◼   ► doing the crop and they say it's not, you know, there's arguments to be had, but you can still go

00:06:59 ◼   ► from one X to two X with the, with the air as it is right now. That's right. Um, and so my guess is

00:07:06 ◼   ► that it would be the ultra wide, which I think would, would make me sad. Um, but, uh, I did want to check

00:07:13 ◼   ► in with you, Federico, cause at one point you were using an iPhone air and I think I've lost track of

00:07:17 ◼   ► where you are with the, with the, I've been using the 17 pro instead. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, as I feared,

00:07:24 ◼   ► I was missing the telephoto too much. Gotcha. That's as simple as that. Not even the battery, not even,

00:07:31 ◼   ► you know, uh, anything else really. It's just the telephoto that, that was it for me. And I noticed that

00:07:38 ◼   ► since I started using the 17 pro again, like three, four months ago, I've been taking so many

00:07:42 ◼   ► pictures with it. Uh, mostly of my dogs, like being able to catch my dogs doing something funny or

00:07:49 ◼   ► weird, uh, and, and quickly get that picture in with camera control eight X, take a photo. It's just

00:07:56 ◼   ► invaluable at this point. So that's my lock in, I guess it's the telephoto. Yep. Great concern for the

00:08:04 ◼   ► folding phone. It's yeah, it's going to be. And a weird shape. And I, and then, you know,

00:08:14 ◼   ► the rumors to touch ID. I'm really worried about a touch ID. So Federico sent a text out to the group

00:08:21 ◼   ► chat today and said, the Apple store's down to which immediately it's like, Oh, this is a good,

00:08:27 ◼   ► this isn't a good one. Is it gang? And no, it isn't. Apple have increased the prices across

00:08:33 ◼   ► mostly Macs and iPads, some accessories, no iPhones. That is the top level. The price increases are

00:08:43 ◼   ► varying. Um, but this was the thing I think, Stephen, we spoke about this in the show last

00:08:48 ◼   ► week, right? Yes, we did. The, the wall street journal article came out just before we recorded.

00:08:52 ◼   ► That's right. Um, where Tim Cook basically said they were going to do this. Uh, there was some

00:08:57 ◼   ► conjecture about when they would do this, right? There's a lot of questions about when would they put the

00:09:01 ◼   ► price increases, um, into place. Um, and I think Mark Gurman a couple of days ago said that he

00:09:08 ◼   ► expected it would happen in conjunction with the back to school sale, which has,

00:09:12 ◼   ► is what has happened. Um, but we haven't had any iPhone increases. I think we'll talk about that a

00:09:18 ◼   ► little bit more in a minute, but we want to give you the, the lockdown on the vast majority of these

00:09:22 ◼   ► increases. And of course, we're going to do this in round robin style. Um, so starting with Federico,

00:09:28 ◼   ► who can talk about what the price is, what it was and how much it's increased in percentage

00:09:32 ◼   ► terms. The home pod from $299 to $349, 17%. I guess we can also stop at any point, right? If there's

00:09:45 ◼   ► any that we want to kind of touch on, um, like that is $350 for the home pod, which I think is kind of

00:09:51 ◼   ► like what it was before, man. I mean, I guess the answer, the thing that I'm about to say is the

00:09:57 ◼   ► thing that a lot of this stuff is that ain't it. And this one really isn't it. Uh, maybe there's

00:10:02 ◼   ► somewhere it's like people will be willing to spend the money if they have to, but like, I don't think

00:10:06 ◼   ► this is one of those spots, right? Like the, the home pod have gone up to $350. Like, I just don't

00:10:12 ◼   ► think that's, that's going to work. Yeah. Um, so I'm next and I have the home pod mini is $129 up from

00:10:23 ◼   ► $199. That is a 30% increase. I have the biggest percentage increase on the list. The Apple TV 4k

00:10:32 ◼   ► is now $199 up from $129. Okay. Why? Why are they, what are we doing? Why are they even bothered doing

00:10:42 ◼   ► this? Right? Like some of them are like this, that you can't be selling that many. So, and surely you're

00:10:48 ◼   ► not making that many more. So why are they doing that here? Like, I don't get it. I don't get this

00:10:54 ◼   ► one. This was wild to me. How about the 11 inch iPad Air from $599 to $749 at 29% increase? Oh man.

00:11:09 ◼   ► Yeah. This one is bad. This one is bad. That number is real bad, right? It's, it's not even the percentage

00:11:14 ◼   ► increase, but the iPad Air at $749 is just, that is wild. Yeah. What's the, the actual iPad iPad? Oh,

00:11:25 ◼   ► that's a, I don't think we had that on our list, but that's from, that's gone up to $449 from $349.

00:11:32 ◼   ► Yeah. Yeah. A 28% increase on the regular iPad. The 13 inch iPad Air is at $949 up from $749.

00:11:41 ◼   ► Okay. Which is 27%.

00:11:44 ◼   ► The 11 inch iPad Pro is another number that feels worse than it is, but it's still bad.

00:11:51 ◼   ► It is now $1199 up from $999. When you cross from three digits to four, it feels bad.

00:11:59 ◼   ► Yeah. Yeah. I, I struggle to think about spending four digits as a starting point for an iPad Pro.

00:12:07 ◼   ► like that is, that doesn't, that just doesn't feel right. Like that feels too high. Yeah.

00:12:16 ◼   ► I mean, no. Okay. I just feel like I'm saying the same thing over and over again. They all feel too high,

00:12:20 ◼   ► but that's really, oh my gosh. I just took a look at the 13 inch, two terabyte, $2,600.

00:12:29 ◼   ► Yeah, we are going through the base pricing, but there are a couple of other things like previously they got rid of the low end Mac mini, which made the kind of middle one, the cheapest one, but also prices increase in the customization options as well. So if you want more memory or more storage, which are the shortages causing all of this, then it's even steeper in some place.

00:12:57 ◼   ► Like I've seen some people on Mastodon of like, I bought this MacBook Pro six months ago and it was $3,100. Now it's $4,400 or, you know, whatever it might be.

00:13:06 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:13:06 ◼   ► And so depending on what you actually need, it can be much worse than what we're going through today.

00:13:12 ◼   ► I mean, I don't know how much time we're going to spend on the configurator today, but I just want to give you one. A 13 inch iPad Pro, Wi-Fi and Saga, two terabytes of nano texture glass with a magic keyboard and an Apple pencil is $3,248.

00:13:28 ◼   ► Not great.

00:13:29 ◼   ► No.

00:13:30 ◼   ► Maybe slightly better for the 13 inch iPad Pro. $200 increase. So we're going from $1,299 to $1,499. That's 15% up.

00:13:43 ◼   ► That one, even though it's the same amount, it doesn't feel as bad, right?

00:13:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:13:48 ◼   ► Because it's like, you're already at $1,300. So $1,500 just doesn't have the same kind of hit, I think.

00:13:54 ◼   ► Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:13:56 ◼   ► The iPad mini is at $599 up from $499. It's a 20% price increase.

00:14:04 ◼   ► A hundred bucks more. Okay.

00:14:05 ◼   ► Maybe the most painful, I think, strategy wise here is the MacBook Neo is also up $100, $599 to $699. And the education price point also moved up $100.

00:14:21 ◼   ► I do think though that $700 is still like a good price, maybe. Like, I don't know. Because it's, you know, the thing about all of this is everything, all computers are going to go up, right?

00:14:36 ◼   ► Sure.

00:14:36 ◼   ► And so like the Neo is still going to occupy like a good spot there. And the education price still being $600 is, you know, I think it's probably stomachable.

00:14:49 ◼   ► The MacBook Air, also $200 from $1,099 to $1,299, up 18%.

00:15:00 ◼   ► So this is an interesting one. The Mac mini didn't change in price, still starting at $799.

00:15:07 ◼   ► But the previously removed 256 gig $599 starting storage model is now the new starting model again.

00:15:17 ◼   ► So you're paying $799 for the 256. That's a 33% increase on price, because they brought that one back in again, and they bumped it from $599 to $799.

00:15:26 ◼   ► That's $200 more.

00:15:28 ◼   ► I have the entry-level M5 MacBook Pro, which is $1999, up from $1699, an 18% increase.

00:15:38 ◼   ► $2,000 to get in the door of a MacBook Pro.

00:15:42 ◼   ► Yeah, and that's just the baseline M5. I mean, it's a nice computer because you get the nice display and the ports and stuff, but it...

00:15:50 ◼   ► Yeah, but what's inside of it?

00:15:52 ◼   ► Just an M5 and Dreams.

00:15:55 ◼   ► Yeah, but I'm saying, like, what do you get?

00:16:00 ◼   ► It's a standard display, M5 chip, 16 gigs of RAM, and a terabyte of storage.

00:16:05 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:16:06 ◼   ► Okay. Terabyte of storage is pretty nice.

00:16:09 ◼   ► How about the M5 Pro MacBook Pro going up from $2199 to $2,499?

00:16:22 ◼   ► So, that's $2,500 for an M5 Pro MacBook Pro with a 14% increase.

00:16:31 ◼   ► Let me do you one better, Federico, because I have a 14% increase as well, but it's on the M5 Max MacBook Pro, which now starts at $4,099, up from $3,599.

00:16:44 ◼   ► Four grand, four grand.

00:16:46 ◼   ► Pretty bad.

00:16:47 ◼   ► And I did just check, you get 36 gigs of RAM and 2 terabytes of storage as standard on that one.

00:16:52 ◼   ► You can go to 128, oh, and then we go up to a bigger GPU, and I can go up to 8 terabytes of storage.

00:17:01 ◼   ► Yes.

00:17:01 ◼   ► That's $9,699.

00:17:04 ◼   ► Woo!

00:17:05 ◼   ► Wow!

00:17:08 ◼   ► $10,000 laptop.

00:17:09 ◼   ► 10 grand.

00:17:10 ◼   ► 10 grand.

00:17:11 ◼   ► Wow.

00:17:12 ◼   ► Okay.

00:17:12 ◼   ► The iMac, look at that little colorful 24.5-inch iMac, now starts at $1499.

00:17:20 ◼   ► It used to be $1299.

00:17:22 ◼   ► Okay.

00:17:23 ◼   ► So we are now at the parts that really suck.

00:17:30 ◼   ► The Mac Studio, whatever is left of that lineup.

00:17:35 ◼   ► The M4 Max, Mac Studio from $2,499, so $2,499, with a 25% increase.

00:17:55 ◼   ► So $500 more for the M4 Max, base model Mac Studio.

00:18:01 ◼   ► The M3 Ultra version, which started at $3,999, has now increased by 32% to $5,299.

00:18:09 ◼   ► Jeez.

00:18:12 ◼   ► Now, here's what I want to do now.

00:18:13 ◼   ► I'm going to go to the Apple Store.

00:18:16 ◼   ► Yes.

00:18:17 ◼   ► Build a Mac Studio, boy.

00:18:18 ◼   ► I have the number if you want it, but if you want to do it for yourself, you should take a look at what's going on.

00:18:23 ◼   ► So, myself, I'm going to select Mac, then Mac Studio, and then we're going to have some fun.

00:18:28 ◼   ► Buy.

00:18:29 ◼   ► Yeah, let's buy it.

00:18:31 ◼   ► M3 Ultra.

00:18:32 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:18:33 ◼   ► 32-core, 80-core GPU.

00:18:36 ◼   ► That's a lot of GPU.

00:18:38 ◼   ► That adds $1,500 already.

00:18:41 ◼   ► Then, the only memory config left is the 96 gigs of RAM.

00:18:47 ◼   ► Because it used to be 128 and 256, right?

00:18:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:18:51 ◼   ► Then, you're like, ah, I'm Stephen Hackett.

00:18:55 ◼   ► I got a lot of PDFs, a lot of archives.

00:18:58 ◼   ► I need storage.

00:18:59 ◼   ► You know what?

00:19:00 ◼   ► I'm going to select the 16-terabyte version.

00:19:04 ◼   ► Hey, that's only $7,500 more.

00:19:08 ◼   ► I don't want to trade in.

00:19:10 ◼   ► I don't want AppleCare.

00:19:12 ◼   ► I want to buy it.

00:19:13 ◼   ► That is, my friends, $14,299.

00:19:19 ◼   ► I mean, like, this is what we used to do with the old Mac Pro, right?

00:19:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:19:26 ◼   ► But at least you got a cool-looking computer for that money.

00:19:30 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:19:30 ◼   ► There is one more.

00:19:33 ◼   ► Last and definitely least, we have the Apple Vision Pro.

00:19:37 ◼   ► It was $34,99.

00:19:40 ◼   ► It is now $36,99.

00:19:44 ◼   ► An increase of 6%.

00:19:46 ◼   ► I mean, so now two people instead of three people will buy it.

00:19:49 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:19:51 ◼   ► Right.

00:19:51 ◼   ► Just leave it alone.

00:19:52 ◼   ► Also, I completely forgot.

00:19:58 ◼   ► I was reminded of this.

00:20:00 ◼   ► A few weeks ago.

00:20:01 ◼   ► There is an M5 Vision Pro now.

00:20:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:20:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:20:05 ◼   ► Who knew?

00:20:05 ◼   ► Who knew?

00:20:06 ◼   ► Who knew?

00:20:07 ◼   ► So this all sucks.

00:20:09 ◼   ► This all sucks.

00:20:10 ◼   ► There is no positive spin on this segment.

00:20:14 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:20:15 ◼   ► No.

00:20:16 ◼   ► I mean, I mean, the only positivity so far is they've not increased the iPhone.

00:20:21 ◼   ► Now, so here's my question.

00:20:23 ◼   ► Are they going to increase the iPhone?

00:20:26 ◼   ► Or is there some magical world where this does enough for them?

00:20:32 ◼   ► Like, the margins that they make from everything else means that they're going to have to increase the iPhone prices?

00:20:39 ◼   ► Maybe with the MacBook Air.

00:20:41 ◼   ► It doesn't seem likely, right?

00:20:43 ◼   ► Because the iPhone is 50% of their product sales.

00:20:45 ◼   ► So.

00:20:46 ◼   ► Maybe they make the most margins out of the MacBook Air and the MacBook Neo.

00:20:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:20:51 ◼   ► Of these products.

00:20:53 ◼   ► I don't know who's buying an iPad Mini now.

00:20:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:20:56 ◼   ► Or a HomePod or an Apple TV 4K.

00:21:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:21:02 ◼   ► So why haven't they increased the iPhone now?

00:21:04 ◼   ► Why didn't they just do that?

00:21:05 ◼   ► I mean, I feel like if you were going to do the iPhone now is the time.

00:21:13 ◼   ► Bury it with all this other news.

00:21:15 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:21:16 ◼   ► And.

00:21:16 ◼   ► No one's buying them now.

00:21:18 ◼   ► No.

00:21:18 ◼   ► I mean, people are.

00:21:20 ◼   ► People are.

00:21:20 ◼   ► But not.

00:21:21 ◼   ► But not like the other times of the year.

00:21:23 ◼   ► This is the best possible time of year to do it.

00:21:25 ◼   ► Right?

00:21:26 ◼   ► This is already your slowest iPhone quarter.

00:21:28 ◼   ► So I don't know.

00:21:30 ◼   ► Unless they're just going to wait.

00:21:32 ◼   ► They're going to do it again later.

00:21:33 ◼   ► Like, they could still do it, right?

00:21:35 ◼   ► They could still do it.

00:21:36 ◼   ► Maybe.

00:21:37 ◼   ► Maybe they hope this is enough.

00:21:39 ◼   ► And they can always.

00:21:41 ◼   ► They can always.

00:21:42 ◼   ► They got time.

00:21:43 ◼   ► I mean, we've got, what, two and a half months before there's an iPhone event?

00:21:46 ◼   ► Like, there is time to see if they can pull the iPhone off at existing prices.

00:21:52 ◼   ► Plus, whatever.

00:21:53 ◼   ► I mean, we talked about this a couple weeks ago.

00:21:56 ◼   ► The foldable, we don't know the price.

00:21:58 ◼   ► And so any.

00:22:00 ◼   ► I'm doing air quotes price increase on the foldable is like kind of built in.

00:22:05 ◼   ► Because it was already going to be more expensive.

00:22:06 ◼   ► So I don't know.

00:22:08 ◼   ► I just, I really thought the phone would be included with the rest of it.

00:22:13 ◼   ► Yeah, me too.

00:22:14 ◼   ► Because, I mean, it's just, it's like, it's like half the business.

00:22:17 ◼   ► But maybe they, let's just try and wishful thinking this for a second.

00:22:22 ◼   ► Maybe they've already got what they need for the iPhone.

00:22:24 ◼   ► Like, they can get another year out of this or something.

00:22:28 ◼   ► They've got the parts that they need.

00:22:29 ◼   ► They have the allocation that they need.

00:22:31 ◼   ► And they're just putting what they can at any kind of price that makes sense in the iPhone and trying to keep it.

00:22:36 ◼   ► But also, it would be crazy for them not to increase it just a little bit, right?

00:22:42 ◼   ► Like, do it just a little bit.

00:22:44 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:22:45 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:22:46 ◼   ► This is, we're in truly unprecedented times with the pricing of products.

00:22:53 ◼   ► Like, I don't recall this ever happening before.

00:22:56 ◼   ► And they also increased prices on refurbished Macs and iPads, which I find interesting because those things were already built.

00:23:04 ◼   ► You already got them.

00:23:06 ◼   ► Well, it's all supply and demand, though, right?

00:23:08 ◼   ► It's supply and demand.

00:23:09 ◼   ► This whole thing is supply and demand.

00:23:10 ◼   ► It is.

00:23:11 ◼   ► And I think if they had not raised the refurbished price, then that inventory would disappear instantly.

00:23:18 ◼   ► And then what do you do?

00:23:20 ◼   ► So, yeah, it does, it stinks.

00:23:25 ◼   ► And especially if you don't love the reason that, you know, all this silicon, all this, the quantity of stuff that can be made is mostly going towards AI generation stuff right now.

00:23:40 ◼   ► And that, I think, brings us to Casey Newton's thing.

00:23:45 ◼   ► Yeah, so Casey Newton posted on Blue Sky.

00:23:48 ◼   ► Consumer electronics getting significantly more expensive due to the AI industry may accelerate the backlash even faster than data center build out.

00:23:55 ◼   ► That's a good point.

00:23:59 ◼   ► It definitely could.

00:23:59 ◼   ► Especially because it's like, this isn't, this isn't a thing where it's like, people don't know why.

00:24:11 ◼   ► You know, like, it's not like the prices of technology is increasing and people aren't, like, and they're just not aware of why that's happening.

00:24:18 ◼   ► People are very aware of why this is happening.

00:24:22 ◼   ► Like, people are, the technology companies are saying it and the public just know it.

00:24:28 ◼   ► And I think that makes it more likely that this is going to become a problem in that regard.

00:24:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:24:38 ◼   ► Would you like to know who wins?

00:24:40 ◼   ► Who wins?

00:24:42 ◼   ► Who's the winner here?

00:24:43 ◼   ► I am the winner.

00:24:43 ◼   ► Oh.

00:24:44 ◼   ► I ordered a MacBook Air yesterday.

00:24:47 ◼   ► Ooh.

00:24:48 ◼   ► Boy.

00:24:49 ◼   ► That's good timing.

00:24:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:24:51 ◼   ► So, I was having some problems.

00:24:54 ◼   ► Me and Jason spoke about the Sun Upgrade Plus and I was having some problems with my M2 MacBook Air.

00:24:58 ◼   ► It's really been, it's been giving me some issues for a bit.

00:25:01 ◼   ► I've spoken about it on this show before.

00:25:04 ◼   ► And I was just having a real tough day with it where, like, I had to use Daisy Disk to find some files to delete.

00:25:11 ◼   ► Then the Mac rebooted on its own at one point.

00:25:14 ◼   ► Like, I've just been really struggling and I've been doing, I've been having to do more hard work on this machine recently.

00:25:22 ◼   ► Like, more time in logic and stuff like that.

00:25:25 ◼   ► And I was just getting really frustrated with it, both from its power and the amount of storage space that I have available to me.

00:25:32 ◼   ► And so, I started thinking about it and I was like, well, I've been holding out for the MacBook Pro.

00:25:37 ◼   ► Like, if it gets a touchscreen.

00:25:40 ◼   ► The touchscreen, yeah.

00:25:40 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:25:41 ◼   ► But I don't actually know I want that computer, right?

00:25:44 ◼   ► Like, I might not like it.

00:25:46 ◼   ► Like, it might still be too thick and heavy for me because I really love how thin and light the MacBook Air is.

00:25:51 ◼   ► And so, I was kind of dilly-dallying about it and Jason said to me, it's like, you should buy it now because they're going to put the prices up.

00:26:01 ◼   ► So, even if you decide that you want that MacBook Pro later, you could probably get a pretty good resale value on your MacBook Air.

00:26:10 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:26:11 ◼   ► And I was like, you know what?

00:26:12 ◼   ► That's a really good point.

00:26:13 ◼   ► So, the spec that I bought, I got it pretty much maxed out, I think.

00:26:18 ◼   ► Like, no, RAM.

00:26:20 ◼   ► I got the most RAM, so I think 36 gigabytes of RAM and I got two terabyte SSD because you can go higher than that.

00:26:25 ◼   ► You can go four now on a MacBook Air.

00:26:28 ◼   ► So, my spec was £2,000.

00:26:31 ◼   ► It's now £2,400.

00:26:33 ◼   ► So, I will probably make pretty much what I paid for it if I was to sell it in like six months.

00:26:43 ◼   ► And now, the other thing that I'm thinking of now looking at all of these prices and stuff is like, when are they going to revise any Macs?

00:26:50 ◼   ► Like, do you think that they might hold some of this stuff up for a bit?

00:26:53 ◼   ► I think that's definitely possible.

00:26:55 ◼   ► I mean, look no further than like the Mac Studio, right?

00:26:58 ◼   ► It's got that weird combination of processors.

00:27:01 ◼   ► The Mac Mini and the iMac are still on the M4 line.

00:27:05 ◼   ► I think they hold steady for now.

00:27:09 ◼   ► And, you know, that touchscreen OLED MacBook Pro, like, it can hang out.

00:27:14 ◼   ► You know, the MacBook Pro did get revised to the M5 Pro and Macs before sort of all this stuff happened.

00:27:19 ◼   ► And so, I think they're mostly okay.

00:27:22 ◼   ► You know, the notebooks are in good shape and that's what matters a lot more than the desktops.

00:27:26 ◼   ► I think it's definitely possible we get maybe all the way through the end of the year without any other Mac updates.

00:27:35 ◼   ► I think it's definitely possible.

00:27:37 ◼   ► We'll say.

00:27:38 ◼   ► But like, but then I just, yeah.

00:27:40 ◼   ► So, I'm happy with the decision I made.

00:27:42 ◼   ► I think I'm going to be very happy with that MacBook Air.

00:27:44 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:27:46 ◼   ► And we'll see what I do later down the line.

00:27:49 ◼   ► But right now, I hope everybody has computers that they're happy with, I guess.

00:27:54 ◼   ► I think I'm going to hold on to my M4 MacBook Pro a little bit longer.

00:27:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:27:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:27:59 ◼   ► Absolutely.

00:28:01 ◼   ► Same.

00:28:02 ◼   ► I wanted to hold on to my M2 for longer than this.

00:28:05 ◼   ► But it's just, it's become really hard now to do that.

00:28:11 ◼   ► For me, you know, I've got an M4 Max MacBook Pro that's basically cranked all the way up.

00:28:17 ◼   ► And my plan was to use this machine for a long time.

00:28:20 ◼   ► And that is definitely still the plan now.

00:28:23 ◼   ► What I worry about.

00:28:25 ◼   ► That's always your plan, though.

00:28:26 ◼   ► Well, this is, other than my Mac Pro, the most expensive computer I've ever bought.

00:28:31 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:28:32 ◼   ► But, you know, I worry about now is like, what if something happens to it, right?

00:28:35 ◼   ► It's under AppleCare, right?

00:28:37 ◼   ► Like it's, I'm definitely going to keep AppleCare on it now forever.

00:28:40 ◼   ► I didn't think about that.

00:28:41 ◼   ► I didn't get AppleCare.

00:28:42 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:28:42 ◼   ► I might do that.

00:28:44 ◼   ► You can do it later, though.

00:28:46 ◼   ► You can.

00:28:46 ◼   ► I'll just do it after I get it.

00:28:48 ◼   ► But yeah, it might be a good idea to AppleCare these things now because.

00:28:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:28:52 ◼   ► And so if I, if I had to replace my MacBook Pro, like it would be, one, I would not do it

00:29:00 ◼   ► the way I did it this time around.

00:29:02 ◼   ► And I, you know, I've really had the sort of the slow realization of like, I edit basically

00:29:10 ◼   ► two podcasts a month.

00:29:11 ◼   ► I edit the membership specials if you're a Relay member.

00:29:14 ◼   ► And I'm not doing any video.

00:29:16 ◼   ► It's like, I could live on a Mac Mini like Mike does.

00:29:20 ◼   ► Or a Mac Mini or a MacBook Air if I had to.

00:29:23 ◼   ► I have both of those computers.

00:29:25 ◼   ► That's what I have, Mac Mini and MacBook.

00:29:26 ◼   ► Because they are pro machines now if you spec them right.

00:29:29 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:29:29 ◼   ► Like you don't need the pro machines anymore to have pro machines.

00:29:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:29:34 ◼   ► Like, like I like the MacBook Pro and I like the screen and it has all the ports.

00:29:39 ◼   ► But if like push came to shove and I had to replace it in the current environment, I would

00:29:46 ◼   ► get a MacBook Air and spec it up a little bit.

00:29:50 ◼   ► Oh, does my new MacBook Air support the refresh rate of my studio display?

00:29:57 ◼   ► I think the M5 does.

00:29:59 ◼   ► Oh, that will be a treat.

00:30:01 ◼   ► Who needs a MacBook Pro?

00:30:03 ◼   ► If I need to look this up.

00:30:05 ◼   ► This is very exciting for me.

00:30:07 ◼   ► I thought I'd have to wait for a long time for that.

00:30:09 ◼   ► Displays.

00:30:10 ◼   ► You have the studio display XDR.

00:30:11 ◼   ► I have the XDR.

00:30:13 ◼   ► I plugged my MacBook Pro into it recently.

00:30:14 ◼   ► And it was like, oh my gosh, it looks so good.

00:30:17 ◼   ► I'd be very excited about this.

00:30:19 ◼   ► This one.

00:30:20 ◼   ► Okay.

00:30:20 ◼   ► So compatibility.

00:30:22 ◼   ► Oh, that's.

00:30:25 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

00:30:26 ◼   ► That's all the old ones.

00:30:29 ◼   ► That just doesn't work at all.

00:30:31 ◼   ► Does this page say what you need to drive the high refresh rate?

00:30:37 ◼   ► I'm looking at the spec page.

00:30:38 ◼   ► It's somewhere.

00:30:38 ◼   ► It's somewhere.

00:30:40 ◼   ► Maybe, maybe Discord can dig it up.

00:30:42 ◼   ► The displays.

00:30:43 ◼   ► We mentioned the iPhone.

00:30:45 ◼   ► No price increase there.

00:30:46 ◼   ► The displays.

00:30:47 ◼   ► No price increase.

00:30:48 ◼   ► AirPods.

00:30:49 ◼   ► Famously RAM hungry.

00:30:51 ◼   ► AirPods.

00:30:52 ◼   ► No price increase.

00:30:53 ◼   ► And then the other accessories.

00:30:55 ◼   ► Basically things we didn't mention.

00:30:57 ◼   ► Like mice and keyboard.

00:30:59 ◼   ► That sort of stuff.

00:31:00 ◼   ► All fine.

00:31:01 ◼   ► Mac models with M1, M2, and M3 support it at 60 hertz.

00:31:06 ◼   ► So I'll be getting an M5.

00:31:08 ◼   ► So it should go 120.

00:31:09 ◼   ► Oh, man.

00:31:10 ◼   ► That's a nice bonus.

00:31:12 ◼   ► Oh, I'm going to be so happy.

00:31:13 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:31:13 ◼   ► What a treat for me.

00:31:14 ◼   ► Oh, wow.

00:31:15 ◼   ► Oh, man.

00:31:16 ◼   ► I can't.

00:31:16 ◼   ► Oh, by the way, though, I'm not going to get this computer into August.

00:31:19 ◼   ► I didn't mention that.

00:31:21 ◼   ► Oh, no.

00:31:21 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:31:22 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:31:22 ◼   ► But it's fine.

00:31:23 ◼   ► That's fine.

00:31:24 ◼   ► Like I'll wait.

00:31:24 ◼   ► But yeah, it's August.

00:31:26 ◼   ► It's the earliest delivery date.

00:31:28 ◼   ► That may speed up.

00:31:30 ◼   ► We'll see.

00:31:31 ◼   ► We'll see.

00:31:32 ◼   ► But I'm not expecting it anytime soon.

00:31:34 ◼   ► If I remember correctly, your spouse is still on an M1 MacBook Air.

00:31:40 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:31:40 ◼   ► Because she's in love with the wedge.

00:31:41 ◼   ► Are you going to force the M2 upon her?

00:31:44 ◼   ► I'm keeping the M2.

00:31:45 ◼   ► You are.

00:31:46 ◼   ► Maybe that's what we'll do with it.

00:31:47 ◼   ► But I'm not getting rid of it.

00:31:49 ◼   ► The resale value is not very good.

00:31:51 ◼   ► And that M2 is like my favorite Mac I've ever owned.

00:31:56 ◼   ► And so I think I would like to keep it anyway.

00:31:58 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:31:58 ◼   ► And you stickered it.

00:31:59 ◼   ► You returned to your old ways.

00:32:01 ◼   ► Yes.

00:32:01 ◼   ► But I have a plan now.

00:32:03 ◼   ► I think this is Kathy Campbell who suggested this to me.

00:32:07 ◼   ► I'm going to get, and I've already ordered it.

00:32:09 ◼   ► Federico has an amazing one that I've copied.

00:32:12 ◼   ► a vinyl wrap skin thing.

00:32:16 ◼   ► And then put stickers on that.

00:32:18 ◼   ► Like a D brand thing?

00:32:19 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:32:20 ◼   ► Well, I got it from Slick Wraps.

00:32:21 ◼   ► Slick Wraps.

00:32:22 ◼   ► Because they have this like retro Mac look.

00:32:25 ◼   ► Federico had it on his iPad.

00:32:29 ◼   ► And I really like it.

00:32:30 ◼   ► So I'm getting one of those.

00:32:32 ◼   ► I've already ordered it.

00:32:33 ◼   ► So yeah, I'm going to go with that now.

00:32:35 ◼   ► And then put stickers on that.

00:32:37 ◼   ► So then when it comes time to get rid of that MacBook,

00:32:39 ◼   ► I can do that and just take the whole thing off.

00:32:41 ◼   ► And it will be no sun bleaching.

00:32:43 ◼   ► I like it.

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00:35:10 ◼   ► Of OS 27.

00:35:13 ◼   ► And that means it's a check-in time.

00:35:16 ◼   ► It's been a couple weeks.

00:35:17 ◼   ► iOS 27 Beta 2 brings a couple of things to the table.

00:35:22 ◼   ► There's some Apple Home improvements, including like a new interface to update your HomePods,

00:35:29 ◼   ► which was like a weird thing before in the Home app.

00:35:32 ◼   ► You had to like really dig down and it was, it wasn't great.

00:35:36 ◼   ► That's better now.

00:35:37 ◼   ► Write with Siri also is just right there on the keyboard all the time, on the iPhone at least.

00:35:43 ◼   ► A thing I have noticed, and I don't have data for this, so I need to like, I need to pay more attention to it.

00:35:49 ◼   ► Yep.

00:35:50 ◼   ► This is the best way to have, to have things that you notice.

00:35:53 ◼   ► The, you know, like this, this, this Apple's intelligence suggested replies.

00:35:58 ◼   ► Yes.

00:35:59 ◼   ► Way better.

00:36:00 ◼   ► That's good.

00:36:01 ◼   ► Because there's been a thing for a while where you and I and some other people, like,

00:36:05 ◼   ► we will screenshot them and send them as a reply.

00:36:08 ◼   ► And I was texting with friend of the show, Quinn Nelson, the other night.

00:36:12 ◼   ► And one of the suggestions was, I view it differently.

00:36:15 ◼   ► And we just decided that's like a psycho reply.

00:36:18 ◼   ► Like no one would say, I view it differently in a text message.

00:36:20 ◼   ► Well, what if you did view it differently?

00:36:22 ◼   ► Then you say something else.

00:36:24 ◼   ► You don't say that.

00:36:25 ◼   ► Well, I had a, like, I've had a couple of scenarios where it's the, what it is giving me is the exact response that I would give.

00:36:33 ◼   ► Whoa.

00:36:34 ◼   ► And so I was like, oh, okay.

00:36:35 ◼   ► So I'm going to pay more attention to this, but I think it should be better, right?

00:36:41 ◼   ► Like it should know.

00:36:42 ◼   ► It should.

00:36:42 ◼   ► And it should be able to do a better job of it.

00:36:45 ◼   ► So I hope that it will.

00:36:47 ◼   ► But yeah, the write with Siri thing is there now.

00:36:51 ◼   ► It wasn't there before.

00:36:52 ◼   ► So like the writing tools just weren't there.

00:36:54 ◼   ► I'm disappointed with, with the writing tools because I was hoping for like comprehensive grammar and punctuation checking.

00:37:01 ◼   ► And it does some of this stuff, like it has like a new underline thing now for grammar checking, but I wanted like a user interface where I could make suggestions and it could give me the, it could give me suggestions and I could choose.

00:37:13 ◼   ► I want this.

00:37:14 ◼   ► I want that.

00:37:14 ◼   ► And it's not doing that.

00:37:16 ◼   ► So it really still is just like, Hey, do you want to rewrite this thing for me?

00:37:19 ◼   ► And it just does it.

00:37:20 ◼   ► So, so, and you know, maybe there's still more to come because they've added this in where it wasn't there before.

00:37:29 ◼   ► But right now the, the writing tools, they're not what I want.

00:37:32 ◼   ► Okay.

00:37:33 ◼   ► Again, there's a bunch of stuff that's in Apple home that I'm pretty excited about, like in the home app with iOS 27.

00:37:42 ◼   ► So Steven Robles made a video about this, but there's like a, there's a bunch of improvements to cameras and he shows them off pretty well.

00:37:49 ◼   ► You need to, you get some of them if you just upgrade to iOS 27, but to get all the features, you need to upgrade your home hub to, to, to the beta, like whatever home hub you're using.

00:38:00 ◼   ► But there's, you can view multiple cameras at once.

00:38:04 ◼   ► You can switch between them.

00:38:06 ◼   ► Multiple people can look at the same camera at the same time.

00:38:09 ◼   ► It gives you summaries of what's in the clips.

00:38:12 ◼   ► You can search them.

00:38:13 ◼   ► You can filter for types of actions in the clips, you know, like delivery, car, animal, person that categorizes them.

00:38:20 ◼   ► You can filter them.

00:38:21 ◼   ► So it's 4k video.

00:38:23 ◼   ► They're entering the camera market.

00:38:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:38:26 ◼   ► I think these are all the things you would want.

00:38:29 ◼   ► If you were going to do it yourself and they already make cameras, right?

00:38:33 ◼   ► It's like, they just got to scoop out the back of an iPhone and put it on a suction cup and you're set.

00:38:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:38:38 ◼   ► So they're definitely doing this.

00:38:40 ◼   ► I feel very confident in that now.

00:38:42 ◼   ► Like I know the rumors have been pointing that way, but they have made a significant upgrade to the, to the camera experience where any of these things would have been good, but they've done all of them.

00:38:53 ◼   ► It feels like they've, they finally started using it because they're testing it with their own stuff.

00:38:59 ◼   ► Maybe.

00:38:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:38:59 ◼   ► I know he's talked about it some, but David Sparks is all in on home kit secure video and he's been really happy with it.

00:39:09 ◼   ► Even before 27, I tried it when it first came out and it was, I think the, like the only thing that supported it was like that weird lodgy circle camera.

00:39:18 ◼   ► Remember that thing?

00:39:19 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:39:19 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:39:20 ◼   ► And it was not great in the beginning, but it does sound like it's come a long way.

00:39:25 ◼   ► And look, I'm a huge proponent of having your footage secure, like minus locally here on my Ubiquiti stuff and having it in home kit secure video.

00:39:35 ◼   ► Like that feels better to me than Nest or ring or somebody else.

00:39:39 ◼   ► And so I think they're really putting the pieces together, like you said, to, to enter this market with hardware.

00:39:45 ◼   ► But even if they don't, I think if I were starting today, like I didn't have the Unify stuff, I would look at this seriously.

00:39:55 ◼   ► And I would not have said that before this because it was kind of janky.

00:40:00 ◼   ► I like it.

00:40:01 ◼   ► Like it does, it's in its current form.

00:40:05 ◼   ► It's fine for me.

00:40:06 ◼   ► Like I have a car stuff and all of their cameras work with the home app and it's fine, but that's the best you could call it.

00:40:15 ◼   ► Now it looks good.

00:40:16 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:40:17 ◼   ► How, how fast are the notifications?

00:40:20 ◼   ► Like if someone walks into the view and you have that set to notify you, is it, is it quick?

00:40:26 ◼   ► Well, I don't, I don't, but the, like, say I'll take my doorbell because I have a doorbell camera.

00:40:32 ◼   ► Um, well it's basically, I'll get the Acara notification and then the home notification straight after.

00:40:38 ◼   ► So that is good at least, but I don't have any, um, I don't have any cameras that send me notifications.

00:40:45 ◼   ► Okay.

00:40:45 ◼   ► And unless there was someone in my home, which though, that hasn't happened to me yet.

00:40:49 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:40:50 ◼   ► The notifications coming from inside the house.

00:40:53 ◼   ► Inside the house.

00:40:54 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:40:54 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:40:56 ◼   ► I've got it on my carry phone now.

00:41:00 ◼   ► Oh yes.

00:41:02 ◼   ► I was going to hold out and then y'all just kept talking about how great it was.

00:41:05 ◼   ► And so I was like, well, one of us is talking about how great it is.

00:41:10 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:41:10 ◼   ► We'll get to Federico's experiences because it's a real mess over there.

00:41:14 ◼   ► One of us is not having a good time.

00:41:15 ◼   ► Um, yeah.

00:41:16 ◼   ► So I've got it on my iPhone air.

00:41:18 ◼   ► If you want to find a way to make the iPhone air feel even hotter, that's, that's the way

00:41:22 ◼   ► to go.

00:41:22 ◼   ► I mean, it's indexing.

00:41:23 ◼   ► It's fine.

00:41:25 ◼   ► I don't think I have anything much original to say.

00:41:27 ◼   ► It's the best developer beta to have ever used.

00:41:30 ◼   ► And I've run these things for years and years.

00:41:34 ◼   ► Um, I had it on a, on a secondary phone and I still do, but Syria, I really shines when

00:41:41 ◼   ► you have actual data on your device.

00:41:43 ◼   ► And so I installed the update.

00:41:46 ◼   ► I got access to the Syria.

00:41:47 ◼   ► I basically instantly.

00:41:48 ◼   ► And while a friend of mine is like still waiting like three days later, I don't, you know, I

00:41:52 ◼   ► don't know why that is, but I immediately opened the app and asked it a question that I knew

00:41:58 ◼   ► the answer to, but I knew it was in a text message like two months ago.

00:42:02 ◼   ► And it found it basically instantly and it had just started indexing.

00:42:07 ◼   ► I was, I was impressed at that.

00:42:08 ◼   ► It shows you, you know, this is where this, like, this is, these are my sources, right?

00:42:12 ◼   ► It's quoting its sources back in messages.

00:42:16 ◼   ► Um, I, I do stand by my feeling after the keynote where I don't really care for the

00:42:22 ◼   ► Siri, the UI design.

00:42:24 ◼   ► I think it's like too shiny and you get what's under it kind of through it at the edges.

00:42:30 ◼   ► And I wish they would clean that up a bit, especially if you have the liquid glass slider

00:42:35 ◼   ► slid to be as opaque as possible, then the Siri UI feels really gimmicky and sort of out

00:42:44 ◼   ► of place.

00:42:44 ◼   ► And I think that should be a bit more harmonious with how the user has set up their phone, but

00:42:49 ◼   ► so far so good.

00:42:51 ◼   ► It's working.

00:42:52 ◼   ► Um, and other, you know, I don't know how long the indexing will take.

00:42:57 ◼   ► I'm doing the thing that, you know, if you, if you migrate to a new phone, you often do

00:43:01 ◼   ► is like, you just leave your phone plugged in all the time, hoping that it makes the indexing

00:43:04 ◼   ► go faster.

00:43:05 ◼   ► They do say my index, my phone was still indexing on beta one and still beta two and the indexing

00:43:11 ◼   ► went away, but I still think it's happening, even if they're not telling me it's

00:43:14 ◼   ► happening.

00:43:14 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:43:14 ◼   ► Cause I don't know why that would have been the case that like now it's all done.

00:43:19 ◼   ► Unless that UI was like stuck on somehow.

00:43:21 ◼   ► Possibly.

00:43:23 ◼   ► Maybe.

00:43:23 ◼   ► Who knows?

00:43:24 ◼   ► But I had been told it would take, it could take weeks.

00:43:28 ◼   ► So, you know, I, I don't see why just one, one beta update and it's, and it's taken care

00:43:34 ◼   ► of.

00:43:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:43:35 ◼   ► But I, I, I, I said, I was impressed.

00:43:36 ◼   ► It found something.

00:43:37 ◼   ► I mean, I knew that that, like in my mind, that was going to be my first test.

00:43:41 ◼   ► It was like, I know the answer to this.

00:43:42 ◼   ► I know that it's months old and I message, can it find it?

00:43:47 ◼   ► And the fact that it found it immediately, like, I think that speaks to the spotlight stuff

00:43:51 ◼   ► being much better.

00:43:53 ◼   ► Um, I, I do have the realization that I'm going to need to try spotlight again on the

00:43:57 ◼   ► Mac, which I don't really want to do, but maybe I will.

00:44:01 ◼   ► Um, but yeah, all in all, uh, you know, it's just been a few days and I have it on my phone.

00:44:07 ◼   ► I'm not putting it on my watch.

00:44:09 ◼   ► I don't think beta two is out for watchOS yet, or at least it wasn't as of earlier today.

00:44:13 ◼   ► Um, I'm staying away from that for now.

00:44:15 ◼   ► I'll do that a little bit later on in the summer on a development watch, not my, not the, the

00:44:21 ◼   ► watch that I actually wear every day, but, uh, so far so good.

00:44:24 ◼   ► What Mac is it on?

00:44:25 ◼   ► Uh, my now premiumly priced MacBook Neo.

00:44:31 ◼   ► Okay.

00:44:32 ◼   ► And how much of your own stuff is on that?

00:44:35 ◼   ► Quite a bit.

00:44:36 ◼   ► Like you have your messages and stuff?

00:44:37 ◼   ► Like you use it as your own computer.

00:44:38 ◼   ► Oh, you got it.

00:44:40 ◼   ► You got to try spotlight on that then.

00:44:41 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:44:42 ◼   ► I, I, I, yes, I uninstalled Alfred from it.

00:44:44 ◼   ► It just has spotlight on it.

00:44:45 ◼   ► And, um, I feel like I've not heard too much yet about how Siri AI is on the Mac.

00:44:51 ◼   ► I feel like people aren't really talking about that very much.

00:44:53 ◼   ► And I would like to hear more about it, at least in the, in the places I follow.

00:44:56 ◼   ► I want to spend some more time with it.

00:44:58 ◼   ► One thing that's that I think some people will find frustrating on the Mac is that

00:45:03 ◼   ► ask Siri is basically the top of like every, every contextual menu.

00:45:07 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:45:07 ◼   ► It's in, I think at the bottom of all the iPhone ones.

00:45:11 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:45:11 ◼   ► People may find that a little tiring.

00:45:14 ◼   ► I think the reason for that is that most people think of Siri in the iPhone context because that's

00:45:21 ◼   ► where it started and that's where it has kind of lived.

00:45:27 ◼   ► And yeah, Siri has been on the Mac for a little while, but not in any way that has been super useful.

00:45:35 ◼   ► But I don't, I don't know.

00:45:36 ◼   ► Hmm.

00:45:37 ◼   ► Okay.

00:45:38 ◼   ► So Federico.

00:45:39 ◼   ► Hmm.

00:45:40 ◼   ► It's been really hit or miss for me, mostly leaning toward bad.

00:45:48 ◼   ► And we're talking about Siri AI specifically?

00:45:50 ◼   ► We're talking about, okay.

00:45:51 ◼   ► So 27 has been great.

00:45:53 ◼   ► Okay.

00:45:53 ◼   ► I think I'm having a really good time with it.

00:45:56 ◼   ► Battery life is fine.

00:45:59 ◼   ► If anything, I think it's actually better than 26.

00:46:02 ◼   ► Like it's faster, animations, liquid glass, like everything seems more refined, smoother than before.

00:46:09 ◼   ► You can see the work that went into the performance and the underlying like CPU scheduler, like both on the iPhone and the iPad, I would say.

00:46:17 ◼   ► I think it's 27 as an operating system, maybe kind of boring, but that's the point.

00:46:22 ◼   ► Like they, they really fine-tuned everything and I'm having a good time with it.

00:46:27 ◼   ► The one big feature that I'm supposed to test and the reason why I haven't done any writing yet for my iOS review, because I mean, the one feature is Siri AI, obviously.

00:46:40 ◼   ► And it hasn't really worked out for me yet.

00:46:49 ◼   ► The problem, I think, is that I'm having all kinds of issues related to the indexing.

00:46:59 ◼   ► I think Apple is aware of some of these issues.

00:47:03 ◼   ► And I think they're, my understanding is that they're working on it.

00:47:07 ◼   ► But, uh, there's other people like me who are running into these problems right now.

00:47:12 ◼   ► So, um, for example, it cannot find any of my calendar events, cannot find any of my reminders, but it can search photos.

00:47:20 ◼   ► It can find photos sometimes.

00:47:22 ◼   ► And only sometimes it can find content on Apple music.

00:47:26 ◼   ► Sometimes it works.

00:47:27 ◼   ► Other times it doesn't.

00:47:28 ◼   ► Um, it, uh, so let me see it because I just try it again.

00:47:32 ◼   ► Uh, whenever I tried searching for content in a third-party app that I know supports App Intense, it says something went wrong.

00:47:41 ◼   ► I think I, I don't know if I've had any luck trying, doing the App Intense thing.

00:47:45 ◼   ► I think that might just not be hooked up.

00:47:46 ◼   ► Okay.

00:47:47 ◼   ► With the new Siri.

00:47:48 ◼   ► Okay.

00:47:49 ◼   ► Uh, that's good to know.

00:47:51 ◼   ► Uh, I can create reminders.

00:47:54 ◼   ► I cannot, um, search, uh, reminders at all or calendar events.

00:48:00 ◼   ► I can draft email messages, cannot search for email messages.

00:48:07 ◼   ► Um, what else?

00:48:10 ◼   ► Uh, sometimes on the, on the Mac, uh, the Siri AI window just comes up blank and I cannot type anything in it.

00:48:19 ◼   ► Um, some other times I try to, uh, do some research on a topic, uh, in Siri AI on the iPhone.

00:48:29 ◼   ► And it's, uh, and I'm like, and it finds some web pages, right?

00:48:33 ◼   ► And, and I, and I'm like, uh, okay, can you give me the URL of that webpage?

00:48:38 ◼   ► And even though it's in its sources, it doesn't want to print out the, the actual URL in the chat.

00:48:44 ◼   ► Um, sometimes I paste a link to an article and I'm like, can you summarize this?

00:48:49 ◼   ► And sometimes it says I cannot.

00:48:52 ◼   ► Other, other times it says, yes, here's the summary.

00:48:55 ◼   ► So like, it's very, I guess it's very inconsistent.

00:48:59 ◼   ► I read something that they've, in beta two, they're, they're getting rid of the URL summary thing.

00:49:05 ◼   ► Like it's in the new, it's in the system prompt.

00:49:07 ◼   ► Why?

00:49:09 ◼   ► So, uh, okay.

00:49:10 ◼   ► I found it from nine to five Mac.

00:49:12 ◼   ► The release that a new section in Siri AI system prompt says you cannot access content behind URL.

00:49:19 ◼   ► When a user provides a URL and ask you to summarize, read or extract, inform them that you cannot access web pages.

00:49:25 ◼   ► Do not offer follow-up suggestions or walk-arounds.

00:49:29 ◼   ► Don't know why they would do that exactly, but that seems to be a thing they don't want to do now.

00:49:34 ◼   ► That's silly.

00:49:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:49:37 ◼   ► Unless, you know, I mean, so I think in the nine to five Mac article, they're like, this is, uh, Marcus Mendes saying, while Apple's reasoning is unclear, the rule may be intended to keep Siri AI from following other chatbots and pulling and summarizing website content without sending users to the original pages, a practice that could make the web increasingly unsustainable over time.

00:49:58 ◼   ► That might be the reason, so.

00:50:00 ◼   ► Maybe.

00:50:03 ◼   ► Who cares about web sustainability, am I right?

00:50:06 ◼   ► Kill the web.

00:50:07 ◼   ► Woo, let's go.

00:50:08 ◼   ► Uh, so I don't know, I don't know about that.

00:50:11 ◼   ► But yes, it sounds, okay, so Federico, do you have a sense for why this is happening to you?

00:50:17 ◼   ► It seems like an indexing bug.

00:50:19 ◼   ► Okay.

00:50:20 ◼   ► Do you, again, I will just ask the question now because I've was, everyone's going to write in.

00:50:24 ◼   ► Do you think it's anything to do with the fact that you're in the European Union?

00:50:27 ◼   ► No, because, uh, Siri AI is actually working for me.

00:50:31 ◼   ► Yeah, it should not work, right, would be that it should not offer it to you.

00:50:35 ◼   ► Look, the thing is, as long as, here's how it works.

00:50:37 ◼   ► As long as you have your region settings set to US and language set to English, and you have media and purchases set to a US App Store account, all of this stuff is just going to work.

00:50:52 ◼   ► I am using, right now, iPhone mirroring on my Mac.

00:50:56 ◼   ► And that's another feature that's not available in the EU.

00:50:59 ◼   ► I have the new Siri beta page in settings.

00:51:03 ◼   ► I literally have the new Siri.

00:51:05 ◼   ► It's just, and it works for some stuff.

00:51:08 ◼   ► It's just an indexing bug for some content.

00:51:11 ◼   ► I guess my main concern, and we'll see what happens when this thing actually ships.

00:51:20 ◼   ► I remain unconvinced that they will be able to get it to work with tons of apps installed on your device to the degree that I would expect them to with the current system and model that they have.

00:51:39 ◼   ► I would be ecstatic to be proven wrong.

00:51:43 ◼   ► I am very skeptical about what's going to happen when all these indexing bugs are gone, and I'm using this on my phone, and I'm asking for creating notes on a device that has Apple Notes, Draft, and Notion installed, potentially all of them with App Intents.

00:52:03 ◼   ► Because they don't seem to have any sort of system or UI in place anywhere for disambiguating results and multiple intents from the same domain or category when multiple apps are installed.

00:52:18 ◼   ► Everything just goes into the indexing, and there's not really a ton of clarity on that at the moment.

00:52:26 ◼   ► And I don't know, the difference between the system that Apple has built, which knowing Apple, you know, they like to do things the user-friendly way, everything is invisible.

00:52:36 ◼   ► They don't have a place anywhere in Siri or in settings to say, I don't want to see these connectors.

00:52:45 ◼   ► I don't want to see these apps in Siri AI.

00:52:48 ◼   ► Unless, like, I guess if you go in settings and you disable the Siri integration for an app, but then it also disappears from Spotlight.

00:52:55 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:52:56 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:52:57 ◼   ► See, I don't know, because there are no details about this.

00:53:00 ◼   ► There's no way to tell right now, right?

00:53:02 ◼   ► Like, even if it's working for me, which it is, I'm having a great experience, it's only Apple's apps it's pulling from.

00:53:08 ◼   ► Like, what happens when it's potentially every app?

00:53:11 ◼   ► Like, what happens if Instagram and WhatsApp and Slack and Discord all open their apps up?

00:53:18 ◼   ► Like, what happens then?

00:53:19 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:53:19 ◼   ► We just can't know that.

00:53:21 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:53:22 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:53:23 ◼   ► So, if this works, here's what I would say.

00:53:25 ◼   ► If this works, I continue to believe that I will not need, I don't want to say any other chat, well, maybe, I won't need, hmm, no, it needs a disclaimer, what I'm about to say.

00:53:40 ◼   ► My usage of chatbots will drastically go down.

00:53:43 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:53:44 ◼   ► Except for heavier, like, research type things.

00:53:49 ◼   ► Well, I can tell you this has exactly been my experience over the last few weeks.

00:53:53 ◼   ► Yeah, okay.

00:53:54 ◼   ► I don't use any chatbot for general questions anymore, like searching for stuff or anything like that.

00:54:01 ◼   ► I just don't use them.

00:54:02 ◼   ► And so now I'm using, like, Claw Cowork for working with files on my Mac, because that's, like, a very specific feature stuff that I'm using.

00:54:10 ◼   ► Maybe some of that stuff would be taken by Siri AI, because it can also work with files on my Mac, but I'm not installing any Mac betas right now.

00:54:19 ◼   ► But yeah, I, like I said, like, I'm not using ChatGPT for any kind of general searching that I'd used before, or like, kind of researching stuff, like restaurants or whatever.

00:54:29 ◼   ► I'm just not doing it.

00:54:30 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:54:32 ◼   ► Because Siri AI provides great results for me for wild knowledge stuff.

00:54:36 ◼   ► Yeah, and I think I will still have codecs or, you know, whatever agent I will be using then for, like, those types of heavier agent-like tasks, like research that takes 20 minutes.

00:54:49 ◼   ► Like, Apple is not making a competing product for that.

00:54:53 ◼   ► But for example, right now, I'm using Raycast on iOS, because I have a really nice chatbot experience with multiple connectors and all those kinds of things.

00:55:02 ◼   ► Once Siri AI actually works, I don't think I'm going to have a need for that type of chatbot experience on the iPhone, right?

00:55:12 ◼   ► So, I haven't had a good time yet, but I'm optimistic, and I know that Apple is aware of these issues.

00:55:22 ◼   ► So, we'll see with beta 3.

00:55:24 ◼   ► We hope for you it is just some, something got broken, corrupted, stuck.

00:55:30 ◼   ► Gosh knows what.

00:55:31 ◼   ► Sounds like it.

00:55:31 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:55:32 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:55:32 ◼   ► Okay.

00:55:34 ◼   ► That's what happens when you feed LLM Base64 all day.

00:55:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:55:39 ◼   ► Maybe it's just, it's choking.

00:55:41 ◼   ► I had it coming, I guess.

00:55:44 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:55:45 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:55:46 ◼   ► Maybe, actually.

00:55:48 ◼   ► That might be the problem.

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00:57:17 ◼   ► During WBC, we asked for potential rule changes to spice up the rickies, the games we play ahead of keynotes.

00:57:28 ◼   ► It is time for a constitutional convention.

00:57:31 ◼   ► We're looking for changes for the bonus point.

00:57:35 ◼   ► The current system was too complicated, and we lost track of it all the time, and we want something simpler.

00:57:43 ◼   ► So, I have curated half a dozen or so suggestions, and I thought we could talk through them today, if that sounds good.

00:57:53 ◼   ► Okay.

00:57:53 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:57:54 ◼   ► So, the first one is from listener Michael, not you, another Michael.

00:58:01 ◼   ► I assume.

00:58:01 ◼   ► Maybe it is you.

00:58:02 ◼   ► I have my own suggestion.

00:58:04 ◼   ► Okay.

00:58:04 ◼   ► Later in the suggestion, so it's not me.

00:58:07 ◼   ► Mike says, you get a bonus pick if all of your previous flexies are correct.

00:58:12 ◼   ► Okay.

00:58:13 ◼   ► Do you want me to just read through them all, and then we discuss, or we're going to discuss them more?

00:58:17 ◼   ► There are a bunch of flexi-related ones, so I think maybe we should just read through, and then we can maybe start picking apart.

00:58:23 ◼   ► Because, you know, there are some that are quite similar to each other, I think.

00:58:27 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:58:27 ◼   ► Okay.

00:58:28 ◼   ► Ben suggested that whoever won the previous flexies gets a bonus pick.

00:58:33 ◼   ► Ben also said whoever got the most correct flexies at the previous associated flexies gets a bonus pick regardless of the correct to incorrect ratio.

00:58:43 ◼   ► So, if you go big in your number of picks, that could be helpful because it incentivizes chaos.

00:58:50 ◼   ► So, the example would be if Mike got 10 out of 25, right, he would get the bonus pick even if I got 5 out of 5 and Federico got 8 out of 9.

00:59:00 ◼   ► Which is fun.

00:59:02 ◼   ► We had a couple of sort of blue-shell suggestions.

00:59:09 ◼   ► Jay Raff wrote, the loser of the previous rickies of the same type gets an extra regular pick.

00:59:17 ◼   ► So, if I came in last at WWDC, I would get an extra pick for the iPhone event.

00:59:23 ◼   ► Pretty straightforward.

00:59:23 ◼   ► I don't like incentivizing failure.

00:59:26 ◼   ► Well, yeah, it's tanking.

00:59:28 ◼   ► It happens in the NBA where you need to ditch your season so you get a good pick at the draft.

00:59:33 ◼   ► Yeah, if I don't have good ideas, just make, like, completely out of left field suggestions.

00:59:39 ◼   ► So, then I'm, like, I'm storing one up.

00:59:42 ◼   ► As a species, we should stop rewarding bad behavior and bad performance.

00:59:46 ◼   ► Agreed.

00:59:47 ◼   ► No participation medals in the rickies.

00:59:50 ◼   ► No.

00:59:51 ◼   ► You know?

00:59:51 ◼   ► No.

00:59:52 ◼   ► Instead of we keep electing them.

00:59:53 ◼   ► Adam had a twist on that.

00:59:55 ◼   ► I humbly suggest that the player who got last...

00:59:58 ◼   ► I humbly suggest that the player who got last at them in the previous correspondent game

01:00:03 ◼   ► can optionally add another detail to a risky pick.

01:00:07 ◼   ► No.

01:00:08 ◼   ► You gotta get good.

01:00:09 ◼   ► No.

01:00:09 ◼   ► You gotta get good.

01:00:10 ◼   ► You gotta get good.

01:00:10 ◼   ► So, I think J-Raph and Adam are off the board.

01:00:13 ◼   ► We're out.

01:00:13 ◼   ► Sorry, y'all.

01:00:14 ◼   ► I'm actually gonna strike through them in Notion so we know not to consider them any further.

01:00:18 ◼   ► Sorry.

01:00:19 ◼   ► We only...

01:00:20 ◼   ► We're rewarding winners only.

01:00:22 ◼   ► That's what we do.

01:00:23 ◼   ► Winners only.

01:00:24 ◼   ► And then, Anthony wrote in...

01:00:27 ◼   ► Winners only.

01:00:27 ◼   ► Winners only.

01:00:28 ◼   ► Anthony wrote in...

01:00:30 ◼   ► When a host loses a coin flip for first place, they should be awarded a bonus pick for the

01:00:37 ◼   ► next game, subject to the same rules as a regular pick, but worth half a point.

01:00:42 ◼   ► This reduces the likelihood of a tie in the following game, but won't otherwise change the outcome.

01:00:50 ◼   ► It feels earned both when it's awarded and when it's scored.

01:00:55 ◼   ► I don't care what we agree on.

01:00:57 ◼   ► I think we have to have this.

01:00:59 ◼   ► This is good.

01:01:00 ◼   ► When a host loses a coin flip.

01:01:03 ◼   ► So, you've won, right?

01:01:04 ◼   ► You've been good enough that you're tied for the win.

01:01:07 ◼   ► So, you're tied for the win.

01:01:08 ◼   ► Yes.

01:01:09 ◼   ► But you lose the coin flip, which sucks.

01:01:11 ◼   ► Yes.

01:01:11 ◼   ► So, you get a consolation prize, and it's a half point, which I desperately want to come

01:01:16 ◼   ► back.

01:01:16 ◼   ► Half points.

01:01:17 ◼   ► They should...

01:01:18 ◼   ► But you don't get the half point.

01:01:20 ◼   ► No, you get a bonus pick.

01:01:22 ◼   ► So, you still have to be good again.

01:01:24 ◼   ► You still have to be good again.

01:01:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:01:27 ◼   ► And the bonus pick is worth half a point.

01:01:29 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:01:29 ◼   ► This one I like.

01:01:30 ◼   ► I love this.

01:01:31 ◼   ► This one incentivizes getting good.

01:01:35 ◼   ► Marking that as green.

01:01:36 ◼   ► And it also, as Anthony says, it is...

01:01:39 ◼   ► It ensures that the next...

01:01:41 ◼   ► Well, it doesn't ensure.

01:01:42 ◼   ► It makes it less likely that the next game could also end in a tie.

01:01:46 ◼   ► Yes.

01:01:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:01:48 ◼   ► Yes.

01:01:48 ◼   ► I love this.

01:01:50 ◼   ► I think that's...

01:01:51 ◼   ► This is brilliant.

01:01:51 ◼   ► I think that's pretty good.

01:01:52 ◼   ► So, let me just quickly open the Bill of Rookies.

01:01:55 ◼   ► I just want to check one thing.

01:01:57 ◼   ► So, correct regular picks are awarded one point.

01:02:02 ◼   ► The language must be finalized, agreed upon during recording.

01:02:05 ◼   ► No partial points may be awarded.

01:02:07 ◼   ► Okay.

01:02:08 ◼   ► Well, we're moving the partial points rule.

01:02:10 ◼   ► If we do this.

01:02:11 ◼   ► If we do this.

01:02:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:02:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:02:13 ◼   ► I think, Michael's, if you get a bonus pick, if all your previous flexies are correct, is

01:02:19 ◼   ► too difficult.

01:02:20 ◼   ► I think getting all your flexies right is hard.

01:02:24 ◼   ► And it incentivizes doing few...

01:02:27 ◼   ► It incentivizes doing the minimum.

01:02:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:02:29 ◼   ► Which is no fun.

01:02:30 ◼   ► It says, like, the person who gets the most flexies correct gets an extra pick.

01:02:37 ◼   ► Because that incentivizes millions of...

01:02:41 ◼   ► Junk picks.

01:02:41 ◼   ► ...flexies.

01:02:42 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:02:43 ◼   ► That could be junky.

01:02:44 ◼   ► So, I think that's...

01:02:46 ◼   ► Well, you...

01:02:47 ◼   ► No, they can't be junky, because you've got to get enough of them, correct?

01:02:50 ◼   ► Well, what if I had...

01:02:52 ◼   ► No, it can.

01:02:53 ◼   ► What if I had, like, five good ideas?

01:02:54 ◼   ► Okay.

01:02:55 ◼   ► Or six good ideas?

01:02:56 ◼   ► And, like, I felt pretty good about them, but then I just threw in 11 crazy ones to...

01:03:04 ◼   ► Like, I don't know, to up my chances.

01:03:07 ◼   ► That feels weird.

01:03:08 ◼   ► No, you would be decreasing your chances, because your correct and correct ratio would...

01:03:12 ◼   ► But this is...

01:03:13 ◼   ► But Ben's thing says it's not about ratio.

01:03:17 ◼   ► It's about the number of correct picks overall.

01:03:20 ◼   ► Oh, but even then...

01:03:21 ◼   ► So, yeah, but then if you have five...

01:03:23 ◼   ► No, okay.

01:03:24 ◼   ► Let me read this again.

01:03:25 ◼   ► Whoever got the most correct flexies at the previous associated flexies gets a bonus pick,

01:03:29 ◼   ► regardless of correct and correct ratio.

01:03:31 ◼   ► This incentivizes chaos by encouraging more picks instead of playing it safe for five picks.

01:03:35 ◼   ► So, you still need to get all five picks correct.

01:03:37 ◼   ► So, you can have 16 picks if you want to, but you're going to lose the flexies.

01:03:41 ◼   ► Yeah, but if you think you have, like, a baseline percentage...

01:03:44 ◼   ► I mean, yes, you can lose the flexies in this.

01:03:46 ◼   ► I feel like this just opens too many doors to trying to play the system a little bit.

01:03:51 ◼   ► But the whole game is playing the system.

01:03:54 ◼   ► All right, I want to give you my suggestion.

01:03:57 ◼   ► Okay.

01:03:57 ◼   ► All right?

01:03:58 ◼   ► My suggestion is you collect bonus picks as you score points in the annual game.

01:04:03 ◼   ► So, how would that look?

01:04:06 ◼   ► So, if you make some picks in the annual rickies...

01:04:11 ◼   ► Or is that the other thing?

01:04:12 ◼   ► That's the other thing.

01:04:13 ◼   ► I can never remember.

01:04:13 ◼   ► So, the annual rickies, right?

01:04:15 ◼   ► Let's say you say something, and then it comes correct in March.

01:04:19 ◼   ► When WWDC rolls around, you can cash in a bonus pick in the WWDC game.

01:04:24 ◼   ► You kind of bank them, and you can use them whenever you want to.

01:04:27 ◼   ► And it gives something extra.

01:04:29 ◼   ► Can you explain that again?

01:04:31 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:04:31 ◼   ► So, let's say we all make picks in January, right?

01:04:35 ◼   ► For things that we're expecting to happen throughout the year.

01:04:38 ◼   ► So, just for the annual rickies?

01:04:41 ◼   ► In the annual rickies, we make predictions for what's going to happen within the next 12 months, right?

01:04:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:04:46 ◼   ► As these things start coming true, that gives us banked picks that we can draw from.

01:04:53 ◼   ► Okay.

01:04:54 ◼   ► In the keynote rickies.

01:04:56 ◼   ► And they reset at the end of the year.

01:04:58 ◼   ► Yeah, you don't get to use them in the next annual.

01:05:01 ◼   ► They don't roll over.

01:05:02 ◼   ► They don't roll over, and we can choose when we want to spend them.

01:05:07 ◼   ► And you bank them.

01:05:08 ◼   ► But you bank them.

01:05:09 ◼   ► I like it.

01:05:10 ◼   ► So, it comes to September, you could have, like, three extra picks if you want them.

01:05:14 ◼   ► Yeah, you can use them all at once.

01:05:16 ◼   ► You can use them all at once.

01:05:17 ◼   ► And it gives something extra to the annual game.

01:05:21 ◼   ► I also like this.

01:05:23 ◼   ► Because then it also encourages us, I think, as well, in the annual picks,

01:05:27 ◼   ► to not just pick things that will happen at WWDC in the keynote in September.

01:05:32 ◼   ► You want to pick some things that could happen throughout the year because you want to make sure you've got enough picks scored to get them.

01:05:39 ◼   ► So, I think it might move the annual picks away from, like, this is what the iPhone's going to be, and this is what iOS is going to be.

01:05:45 ◼   ► Like, it might get a bit weird with it.

01:05:47 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:05:48 ◼   ► Yeah, I feel like two things I like the best.

01:05:52 ◼   ► What you just said and what Anthony said.

01:05:54 ◼   ► Okay, Stephen, how are you feeling about my pick?

01:05:56 ◼   ► You're noticeably silent.

01:05:58 ◼   ► Your silence is deafening on this.

01:05:59 ◼   ► It feels really complicated to keep up with.

01:06:02 ◼   ► No, it doesn't.

01:06:03 ◼   ► It's so easy to score.

01:06:05 ◼   ► I'm going to go rickies.co right now, and I'll just score you.

01:06:08 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, I've got the annual picks up.

01:06:12 ◼   ► So, like, right now, I have round one and round two correct.

01:06:17 ◼   ► So, you've got two points.

01:06:18 ◼   ► You have one point, and Federico has two points.

01:06:21 ◼   ► That wasn't very hard.

01:06:22 ◼   ► It sounded like you did that really easily.

01:06:24 ◼   ► But then we need a way to keep up with, like, I have this many banked at this time.

01:06:30 ◼   ► Yeah, here's the thing.

01:06:30 ◼   ► We have people that build incredible websites.

01:06:32 ◼   ► I'm sure we can get them on board to have, like, the bonus pick allocation.

01:06:38 ◼   ► Yeah, you know how there's a checking account and a savings account?

01:06:42 ◼   ► This will be called a picking account.

01:06:44 ◼   ► Picking account.

01:06:45 ◼   ► You have a picking account.

01:06:46 ◼   ► I love it.

01:06:47 ◼   ► Okay.

01:06:47 ◼   ► I'm going to draw from my picking.

01:06:48 ◼   ► Okay.

01:06:50 ◼   ► I, out of the two, I prefer Anthony's.

01:06:53 ◼   ► Why do we only have to do one?

01:06:55 ◼   ► I think adding two things, like, gets us in the place where we were, we're like, this is too complicated.

01:07:00 ◼   ► But the problem is, Anthony's only happens in certain circumstances.

01:07:05 ◼   ► So it still doesn't add the blue shell.

01:07:07 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:07:08 ◼   ► Things have to happen for that to be possible.

01:07:11 ◼   ► Brainwave.

01:07:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:07:13 ◼   ► What if we merge them?

01:07:14 ◼   ► What if we go with your structure, but bonus picks are only worth half a point?

01:07:20 ◼   ► Oh, absolutely.

01:07:21 ◼   ► Half points.

01:07:22 ◼   ► Oh, okay.

01:07:22 ◼   ► Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

01:07:23 ◼   ► Yes.

01:07:24 ◼   ► Let's do both.

01:07:25 ◼   ► Let's do both.

01:07:25 ◼   ► I like the idea of something happening for the person who loses the coin flip, because it's so disappointing when that happens to you.

01:07:32 ◼   ► So if you lose...

01:07:34 ◼   ► Shall we...

01:07:34 ◼   ► Hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:07:35 ◼   ► Hold on.

01:07:36 ◼   ► Shall we do an amendment to the rules that, in general, going forward, bonus picks are always worth half a point?

01:07:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:07:46 ◼   ► Yeah, yes.

01:07:47 ◼   ► Whatever we come up with for bonus points, they should be half points.

01:07:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:07:51 ◼   ► They earn a bonus regular...

01:07:52 ◼   ► So give me a second.

01:07:53 ◼   ► I'm going to do a little typing here.

01:07:55 ◼   ► Yeah, I'll have some typing.

01:07:57 ◼   ► Where are you typing?

01:07:58 ◼   ► Can I see it?

01:07:58 ◼   ► Yeah, it's right at the bottom of the notion.

01:08:00 ◼   ► He's typing.

01:08:02 ◼   ► When a host gets a...

01:08:08 ◼   ► Are you typing it into the Bill of Rookies?

01:08:10 ◼   ► No.

01:08:11 ◼   ► No, it's at the bottom of the outline.

01:08:12 ◼   ► It's like right where you're looking.

01:08:15 ◼   ► I mean, you say that, but like, I ain't seen nothing, man.

01:08:17 ◼   ► You don't see suggestion under the Rookies changes?

01:08:20 ◼   ► Nope.

01:08:21 ◼   ► Well, that notion is fine.

01:08:24 ◼   ► Let me...

01:08:25 ◼   ► So, point one.

01:08:27 ◼   ► If a host loses first place...

01:08:31 ◼   ► Oh, there it is.

01:08:33 ◼   ► I refreshed.

01:08:33 ◼   ► Via a coin flip...

01:08:35 ◼   ► I love a good web technology, you know?

01:08:37 ◼   ► I know, refreshing.

01:08:37 ◼   ► If a host loses first place via a coin flip, they earn a bonus regular pick in the next Rookies.

01:08:43 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:08:44 ◼   ► When a host gets an annual pick correct, they earn a bonus regular pick to use...

01:08:52 ◼   ► Whenever they want.

01:08:54 ◼   ► Whenever they want.

01:08:55 ◼   ► Before the next annual game.

01:08:57 ◼   ► Before the next...

01:09:00 ◼   ► Or what if we said they don't roll over to the new year?

01:09:05 ◼   ► These bonus picks do not roll over to the next year.

01:09:10 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:09:11 ◼   ► Point three.

01:09:12 ◼   ► So, Jason Snell is in the Discord, and he has a suggestion.

01:09:14 ◼   ► I guess we could just start taking suggestions from the audience now.

01:09:17 ◼   ► Point three.

01:09:18 ◼   ► All bonus regular picks are worth a half point.

01:09:22 ◼   ► Are worth a half point.

01:09:22 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:09:23 ◼   ► This is Jason's suggestion.

01:09:26 ◼   ► I don't think the tie break should get a bonus pick.

01:09:30 ◼   ► They should just get a half point.

01:09:31 ◼   ► So, it's just you win the tie break next time.

01:09:35 ◼   ► So, you get a half point next time.

01:09:37 ◼   ► That's also not...

01:09:39 ◼   ► That's not bad.

01:09:40 ◼   ► But it takes away that you've got to be good.

01:09:43 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:09:44 ◼   ► Yeah, it's true.

01:09:44 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:09:45 ◼   ► Our North Star is that you've got to be good.

01:09:49 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:09:50 ◼   ► Got to be good.

01:09:50 ◼   ► So, wait.

01:09:51 ◼   ► There's two points to this.

01:09:52 ◼   ► Maybe we need to put this in the bill.

01:09:55 ◼   ► Because this rule is like, look, I feel for you that you lost a coin flip, but you've still

01:09:59 ◼   ► got to be good.

01:10:00 ◼   ► Got to be good.

01:10:01 ◼   ► So, maybe we need to put this in the bill, just like the two kind of tenets of the Rickies.

01:10:06 ◼   ► Was it winners only?

01:10:08 ◼   ► Winners only.

01:10:09 ◼   ► You've got to be good.

01:10:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:10:10 ◼   ► Winners only, you've got to be good.

01:10:12 ◼   ► Those are like our founding principles.

01:10:14 ◼   ► Yeah, that's it.

01:10:15 ◼   ► That's true.

01:10:15 ◼   ► That's like, what is it?

01:10:17 ◼   ► Like, life, what is it?

01:10:20 ◼   ► Pursuit of happiness.

01:10:21 ◼   ► What is it?

01:10:21 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

01:10:22 ◼   ► Is that in the constitution?

01:10:24 ◼   ► I don't know anything.

01:10:24 ◼   ► Yeah, it's winners only.

01:10:26 ◼   ► Look, we ain't got time for losers, all right?

01:10:28 ◼   ► What's in your constitution, Steven?

01:10:30 ◼   ► Does anyone know?

01:10:30 ◼   ► What is it?

01:10:31 ◼   ► No, we don't.

01:10:33 ◼   ► We got rid of it.

01:10:33 ◼   ► Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

01:10:36 ◼   ► That's right.

01:10:36 ◼   ► Yeah, it's like that.

01:10:38 ◼   ► The Rickies is a game that connected hosts play before Apple keynotes in the beginning of

01:10:42 ◼   ► each new year to predict future events.

01:10:45 ◼   ► It's made up of three rounds.

01:10:46 ◼   ► Each host makes two regular picks followed by a risky pick.

01:10:50 ◼   ► The Rickies, by design, values winning.

01:10:57 ◼   ► Winners only.

01:10:59 ◼   ► Winning.

01:11:00 ◼   ► Winners.

01:11:01 ◼   ► Winners only.

01:11:01 ◼   ► Only.

01:11:02 ◼   ► Winners only.

01:11:03 ◼   ► Shall advance.

01:11:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:11:05 ◼   ► Winners only.

01:11:06 ◼   ► TM.

01:11:06 ◼   ► Jason is obviously very invested in coin flipping.

01:11:10 ◼   ► He's got another coin flip suggestion.

01:11:12 ◼   ► Of course he does.

01:11:13 ◼   ► Yep.

01:11:13 ◼   ► If you lose the coin flip, you win the next one.

01:11:16 ◼   ► I do also quite like that.

01:11:17 ◼   ► But you then have to be in the next one, which you're not necessarily going to be in, right?

01:11:23 ◼   ► No.

01:11:23 ◼   ► No.

01:11:24 ◼   ► No.

01:11:24 ◼   ► I like just you have two ways to earn bonus picks.

01:11:27 ◼   ► I agree.

01:11:27 ◼   ► I agree.

01:11:28 ◼   ► I'm just, I'm just, I'm just reading everything.

01:11:30 ◼   ► I know.

01:11:30 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:11:31 ◼   ► You get a Kickstarter with a guy.

01:11:32 ◼   ► You're just falling in love with him.

01:11:33 ◼   ► Yep.

01:11:34 ◼   ► That's true.

01:11:35 ◼   ► That is true.

01:11:35 ◼   ► You do fall in love with him.

01:11:38 ◼   ► Um, okay.

01:11:40 ◼   ► So if a host loses first place via coin flip, they earn a bonus regular pick in the next

01:11:47 ◼   ► rickies.

01:11:47 ◼   ► When the host gets an annual pick correct, they earn a bonus regular pick to use whenever they

01:11:52 ◼   ► want.

01:11:52 ◼   ► These bonus picks do not roll over to the next year.

01:11:55 ◼   ► Yep.

01:11:56 ◼   ► All bonus regular picks are worth half a point.

01:11:58 ◼   ► Yep.

01:11:59 ◼   ► Yep.

01:12:00 ◼   ► And where's the win zone stuff?

01:12:02 ◼   ► I put that at the beginning.

01:12:03 ◼   ► So I have the preamble of.

01:12:05 ◼   ► Read it again.

01:12:06 ◼   ► Okay.

01:12:07 ◼   ► So the rickies is a game that connected host play, blah, blah, blah.

01:12:09 ◼   ► It's made up of three rounds, two regular picks followed by a risky pick.

01:12:14 ◼   ► The rickies by design value winning winners only shall advance.

01:12:20 ◼   ► Yes.

01:12:21 ◼   ► Yes.

01:12:22 ◼   ► And you got to be good.

01:12:24 ◼   ► You got to be good.

01:12:26 ◼   ► You got to be good.

01:12:27 ◼   ► You got to be good.

01:12:29 ◼   ► And Steven spell good G U D.

01:12:32 ◼   ► This is very important.

01:12:35 ◼   ► Get good.

01:12:38 ◼   ► Okay.

01:12:40 ◼   ► You got to get good.

01:12:41 ◼   ► You got to get good.

01:12:42 ◼   ► All right.

01:12:42 ◼   ► So I'm going to highlight that green for the people who see this document.

01:12:46 ◼   ► There's a lot of development time available until September.

01:12:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:12:53 ◼   ► For the, for the websites.

01:12:54 ◼   ► Well, and so here's the other thing we need to decide.

01:12:57 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:12:58 ◼   ► Do the, is this start now?

01:13:02 ◼   ► Like.

01:13:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:13:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:13:05 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:13:05 ◼   ► So, so going into September, I have two bonus picks.

01:13:08 ◼   ► You have one.

01:13:08 ◼   ► Yeah, baby.

01:13:08 ◼   ► There goes two.

01:13:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:13:10 ◼   ► Let's go.

01:13:10 ◼   ► I mean, I've kind of torpedoed myself here because I only have one, but Hey, I love the

01:13:17 ◼   ► idea.

01:13:18 ◼   ► You know, I've got to get good, haven't I?

01:13:20 ◼   ► You have to, man.

01:13:21 ◼   ► I'm going to be obliterated in the next one.

01:13:23 ◼   ► Because it's winners only, Mike.

01:13:24 ◼   ► Remember that.

01:13:25 ◼   ► I'm going to be obliterated because you two are going to roll in with like four regular picks.

01:13:29 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:13:29 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:13:31 ◼   ► Okay.

01:13:34 ◼   ► Well, I really like this.

01:13:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:13:39 ◼   ► We've done it.

01:13:39 ◼   ► Do we want to put the phrase picking account in the, in the bill of rickies anywhere or do

01:13:44 ◼   ► we not need to do that?

01:13:44 ◼   ► I think that's like a.

01:13:46 ◼   ► Implementation detail.

01:13:48 ◼   ► Implementation detail.

01:13:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:13:49 ◼   ► Okay.

01:13:50 ◼   ► Okay.

01:13:51 ◼   ► I will share this with the people who have those websites.

01:13:55 ◼   ► I like that, that Kate has said, this is complicated.

01:13:58 ◼   ► It's like, yeah, of course.

01:14:00 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:14:00 ◼   ► That's the point.

01:14:01 ◼   ► It's always been the game.

01:14:02 ◼   ► It's always been complicated.

01:14:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:14:05 ◼   ► But I feel like this is a better understandable system than the previous one we had.

01:14:11 ◼   ► Right.

01:14:12 ◼   ► Of like, you can reuse.

01:14:14 ◼   ► I don't even remember what it was.

01:14:15 ◼   ► It's so complicated.

01:14:16 ◼   ► This, this feels easier to, to, to understand.

01:14:20 ◼   ► I think so too.

01:14:21 ◼   ► I think so too.

01:14:23 ◼   ► And I will come up with a way to keep up with this in notion.

01:14:28 ◼   ► In case the website developers don't, don't get to it quite, quite soon enough.

01:14:31 ◼   ► Okay.

01:14:32 ◼   ► Okay.

01:14:34 ◼   ► We've done it.

01:14:37 ◼   ► We did it again.

01:14:38 ◼   ► We did it again.

01:14:40 ◼   ► Version 275 of these rules.

01:14:43 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

01:14:44 ◼   ► Feels good.

01:14:44 ◼   ► It's democracy.

01:14:46 ◼   ► There is actually, um, uh, like a changelog, right?

01:14:50 ◼   ► Uh, there is on rickies.co, I believe.

01:14:53 ◼   ► You can scroll back in time.

01:14:54 ◼   ► All right.

01:14:56 ◼   ► Well, I call the constitutional meeting to a close.

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