00:00:00 ◼ ► russia both her fans should have a sweat lodge thing with me more subdivisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/0">TS</a>]
00:00:03 ◼ ► that'll be the best music ever it is indeed the Friday 9th and 9th of August [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► and we are recording early because one of the three of us is disappearing for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/10">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► week again but after this we should actually be recording on a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/14">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► schedule and everyone keeps bemoaning the fact that our schedule changes a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/19">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► and I don't really blame them and everything people ask why why why don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/22">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► you have the schedule on the on the website and the problem is 99% of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/26">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► time it's Wednesdays at nine eastern USA time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/31">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► well that's not entirely true because we're only 25% 27 now and there's been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/34">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► lot more than a quarter of one episode that's been on schedule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/39">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► you know what I mean I'm going to fall Wednesday night so when it's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/43">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► summertime and when everyone's not going crazy vacations all the time well spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/47">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► went two of the three hills are going crazy vacations all the time of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/51">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► life is crazy vacation yet thank you thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/57">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► thank you from Apollo Zach in the chatroom want you to comment on the beta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/64">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► Instapaper web redesign USC this yet I'll into it earlier today I saw that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/68">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► existed I haven't looked at it and I know what we have we haven't had enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/73">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► reviews telling us that this is the market share I know really keep going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/78">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► well you guys are helped me out right now it has nothing to do with Marcos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/82">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► somebody else's product now this is the first time that I don't have a new after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/86">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► riding on now by the end of something another new one no I did the big lad I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/93">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► was working on a very solid week working on a doing a whole lot of of a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/100">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► stuff and you're done with the low levels while there's more I was done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/107">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► Instapaper beta yeah I knew they were moving everything to AWS and now looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/115">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► at what they've done they've been doing a heck of alot more than that and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/124">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► really happy to see this I mean I i this is way faster than I expected for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/128">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► this level of of work and so they they unveiled today a beta thats I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/131">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► about it looks on the surface I haven't had that much fun to poke around with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/140">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► but it looks like it's probably about two thirds done and for three quarters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/144">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► done even and it is really really good and it's it's just the web interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/148">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► right now they say updates for the for the absurd coming and I believe them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/155">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► because I see this and they really delivered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/159">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► I mean this is really good and the web interface as soon as I read my little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/161">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► post about the web interface was always my biggest embarrassment about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/165">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► Instapaper because I knew it was terrible it looked terrible it worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/169">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► pretty poorly but not only am i terrible web designer and in most cases but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/174">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► also was not motivated to ever improve it because the short version is all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/181">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► money was an iOS and I always used IOUs and so for something that made very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/186">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► little money directly with just the web interface and and web interface I hardly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/192">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► ever saw I just was not motivated to really ever improve it and that's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/198">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► know one of the problems when you have a one-person company one of the problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/205">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► is like if that one person isn't that interested in working on something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/211">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► general doesn't get done and so now it's multiple people doing what's right for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/215">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► the product and what's great for everybody instead of just what they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/220">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► to work on and it's really looking good thing I think it looks good I will say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/222">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► can only imagine how much of a better word than a relief or perhaps a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/230">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► vindication debt this is the first major change that I'm aware of to Instapaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/235">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► and how good was that must that make you feel that you now have a data point that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/243">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► says they're not going to ruin it and not to say that I expected better works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/248">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► too but now you have empirical evidence that says they're not gonna ruin in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/251">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► it's already getting better and that's gonna make you feel really bad pun but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/256">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► like a million bucks you know it must make you feel really good that that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/260">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► is already trending up a totally because you know before it when I was in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/264">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► process I thought I talked with us in the show's I'm not going into too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/270">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► depth here but I I thought the worst that can happen really is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/273">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► neglected but I'm neglecting it and I've been neglecting it for like a year or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/277">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► two so the worst that can happen is that they just keep neglecting it so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/282">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► that bad was obviously I've been doing it for a while it's been ok and now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/287">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► analysis concrete evidence that they're not just letting it so like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/292">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► wouldn't it was the worst case scenario now you're right it has you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/295">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► everywhere to go now it's going to go up that doesn't make sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/298">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► apply the appropriate metaphor John would you like to absolutely destroy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/302">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► now that we've both been talking positively about it I didn't mind the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/310">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► old web interface that much was it wasn't anything nice to look at like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/313">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► was just there and didn't really have much pizzazz or style but it did what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/317">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► was supposed to do a time and I use the web interface a surprising amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/321">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► because it's a lot of stuff that I would Instapaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/325">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► things that either I didn't want to watch on a phone or couldn't watch on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/328">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► iPad involved flash or it was like I 1080p trailer for a movie and I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/331">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► see it on my big screen and so I did spend a lot of time with the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/336">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► interface consists only thing that really know about the web interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/339">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► including problems like to lay with the hat on happily with a hat on top of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/343">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► you know wtf a thing that's barely escaped but remember whose fault it is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/349">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► think I complain about Marco couple times but other than that was in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/355">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► title role i remember i problemi title but the web interface is nice it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/357">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► of it's a little bit like if you you can kind of see you know I don't know which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/363">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► technology using those look like you know under these bootstrap for that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/368">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► I think I've seen an icon set before and you know but all the animations and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/373">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► solve it depends on the fact that the purpose of luck was kind of black and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/377">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► you know they you know it it's easy for them to come with a new design but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/383">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► didn't have to do all sorts of like a lot of vision graphics and custom images [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/387">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► of wood at high resolution for you know things like it if there had been a paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/392">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► style wouldn't you know it more difficult here they could go with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/397">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► straightforward design with nice typography with black on white and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/400">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► only fits with the brand so I get thumbs up to the website and give a thumbs down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/404">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► to all the instability that has gone on since he was told this thing and another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/407">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► is because of the AWS move or whatever but I had read later or tap that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/411">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► held down on an ordinance different places that I do it and gotten you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/416">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► it I really really really long pause or a timeout or a service is not available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/421">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► way more between the time you sold it now than the entire rest of this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/426">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► because they're moving into a double your ass but that made me sound like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/430">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► reading something and it's the papers down even if he's down for five minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/434">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► now I gotta remember five minutes from now to come back and you know it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/437">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► same link so I hope they get through with that instability and we can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/440">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► back up to the old marco level stability which was very rarely down and only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/444">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► occasionally slow yeah I don't I don't know why I asked him about that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/450">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► only had a problem once in this time and maybe it's just like when we're hitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/455">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► them I don't know why I would imagine one of the differences among us that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/459">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► fully wake up a lot earlier than I do and so that they might put you in like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/463">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► different usage but by I've only had a couple of problems one problem over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/467">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► whole course of it but as far as I know it's no problem there probably because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/474">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► they were moving at AWS and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/478">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► I mean I'm sorry I'm really surprised how quickly they were able to to to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/481">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► that move and and how well to gone because like so much of what I'm running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/486">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► servers is about knowing like the intricate details of exactly how much I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/491">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► can get away with performance wise on in certain characteristics are uncertain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/497">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► service run in certain software and by shifting things to AWS you dramatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/502">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► change the foundation of what everything is like something like that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/507">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► assumptions you made about characteristics like my database servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/511">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► were mostly SSDs as far as I know if you are still doesn't offer that do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/514">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► wouldn't know why I don't know either but but certainly I know that it if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/520">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► do offer its probably it probably isn't simple or or maybe complete but so I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/528">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► would make assumptions like this service going to have always had this much RAM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/536">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► their servers going to always be 64 bit this server is going to always have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/540">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► really fast desks and doesn't always gonna have tons of CPU cores and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/543">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► i've I was I was making all these assumptions all that time and to shifted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/547">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► to a system that works completely differently is is a heck of a thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/554">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► do and I also had like I think about 11 servers when I sold it and has 11 pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/559">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► high-end servers the number of AWS instances required to replace them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/566">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► has to be more than that and so that I can imagine the scale of the work that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/570">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► is the reason they did it was cuz they host all their stuff on it they know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/578">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► really really well and you know that that's a very good reason to do it but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/583">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► dont really shows how good they are they were able to do that kind of move so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/590">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► with with so little downtime really for the four what that is I mean moving to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/594">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► not only a different host would like moving all agree that only that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/599">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► moving into a different type of host that's that's a big job search still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/602">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► doesn't work in the beta 2 just gives a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/608">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► 502 era something I looked up there but the search works in the old ones like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/610">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► search is down entirely I don't know if this is accurate or not somebody on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/614">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► Twitter said that their rewriting it in Python and I know that I know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/622">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► somebody had mentioned the possibility of that to me once and I said you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/627">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► whatever you wanna care but they might be doing that also why I haven't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/631">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► asked them again cuz I don't really care honestly have really ask them but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/638">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► might be part of this like me maybe maybe the beta is all a python engine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/644">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► and the old site historical PHP code I don't know certainly don't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/649">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► problem with that because I respect python is a language I don't know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/653">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► very well but I've always said that if I was going to learn another web scripting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/657">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► language today would probably Python so good for them I don't really well it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/660">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► like a small application that it's not crazy to think of rewriting it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/666">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► like how many screens and oh yeah and it's and it's hidden be unlike any PII [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/670">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► web interface as long as you maintain the same sort of you know hed bien [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/674">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► points in the same you know protocol between them and they're redoing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/678">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► native apps anyway but the point is like it's it's more of a team who knows how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/682">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► to use these technologies well now like I know exactly how I do Instapaper an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/687">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► hour which aren't everything and how would you know when all the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/690">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► services like for things you can do with it you read later gotta text parser you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/693">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► got this is that like there's enough pieces are you can study can hold it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/696">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► in your head it's not like somebody said you know that this operating system in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/699">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► Java you know not that level of of undertakings I think it's a reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/703">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► thing to do especially if that's what they have the expertise in Liberty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/708">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► exactly and also the web code base the way the way I had it off the web code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/712">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► bases really really simple and if I had often kind of a messy stakes I was kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/718">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► of halfway transition between two text parser there was like the old one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/724">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► the new one both coexisting in various different places and it was kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/727">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► mess so i i sorry to anyone over there if you're listening if you had to clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/730">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► that up but but but yeah I mean the web could be really is not that complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/735">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► and so if they know they can write in whatever they want and it doesn't it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/742">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► not that big of a deal the iOS App of course is where most of the code is but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/747">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► you can't rewrite that anything else except I guess Cameron it it's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/752">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► times you know it's funny hearing you guys say that oh yeah you can rewrite it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/761">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► no problem because I keep flashing back to Swansea's article from years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/764">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► years ago about rewriting something and how no matter how simple you think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/768">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► will be it always ends up being a terrible disaster and I'm hugely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/774">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► paraphrasing of course but it did it keeps reminding me of that and the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/778">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► thing I keep wondering are thinking to myself is I don't know if this was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/784">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► worthwhile topic or not but at what point do you choose familiarity over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/787">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► something anything else so in other words they may be more familiar with AWS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/793">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► and Python but no matter how you slice it they bought it works bought something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/798">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► that was successful and functional and is is familiarity more important to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/804">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► their team which it appears it is or is keeping what works more important and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/811">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► wrestle with this a lot when I write code and you can also extrapolate this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/817">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► to be is writing code in a clear way better than writing code in a clever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/820">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► perhaps maybe not succinct is the best word but you know if you could take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/828">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► hundred and fifty line function lets say and do some really clever stuff and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/832">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► it down to 50 lines but it's a lot harder to understand is that really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/837">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► net winner not and in to me as the older I get the more I think you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/841">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► familiarity really is important and really is worth fighting for and I found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/847">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► that I'm using less clever tricks in my code then I would have in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/852">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► because I don't know if I'm gonna remember what it was I was thinking in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/856">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► month let alone a co-worker who have any idea what I was doing in a week I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/860">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► if you guys have anything interesting to add to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/866">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► but you're buying when you're buying a company or product or whatever like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/868">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► you have the intention to go forward with their products to make new versions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/874">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► of the project features and everything you have to make sure that you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/878">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► ability to do that so if you buy something in PHP in Objective C and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/883">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► have nobody who knows PHP and pictures and nobody knows I was a kid I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/888">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► probably not a great idea to purchase that be like you need to do want two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/891">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► things get people those expertise or change it to something that you people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/895">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► are dead expertise in like Marco said but the iOS app they're going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/899">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► people who are familiar but I was when they probably already happened like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/904">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► can't change language basically maybe they can change it to shop online that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/907">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► but in general that decision is made for them we bought an iOS app we gotta make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/910">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► sure we have people who understand the OSAP eyes and they probably already do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/914">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► so we're good there and on the web side they bought something that was written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/917">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► in PHP but I guess that's small enough and simple enough it is not that big a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/920">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► deal they could get expertise and kids being go forward to enhance the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/924">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► application PHP but I bet they already have people who know how to do web stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/928">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► done really well and you know they have to do something so that the people so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/932">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► that they can add features an advanced application and it's probably more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/939">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► efficient for them to rewrite the whole thing in Python because I have like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/942">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► army of people who know Python and they think they can be ready really quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/948">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► with a problem like like market as he's got his framework for web applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/951">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► not like that he's got a box of tools in PHP someone comes time to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/954">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► on the web it's much faster I'm just take out a tool box with the tools it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/959">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► has worked on and put something together so they probably have to box will Python [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/962">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► things now familiar with various frameworks now their own in-house things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/967">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► when I was like oh I know exactly how I do in September and it was this that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/970">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► the other thing and it's gone after they can do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/973">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► the journal article was kind of one of those things where he won despite all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/976">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► the reasons why you might not wanna write something and he did pretty well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/981">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► todd has as time goes on and and memories fade or whatever it becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/985">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► like oh that's the article but he said you should never ever ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/991">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► which of course any sort of absolute position like you should always are I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/994">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► turn every right it's not going to be able to argue with it and that's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/996">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► to be the strong man if they're going to disagree with I think he did a good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► of highlighting why like the value in old code but every situation is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► different and you have to decide given your situation the parameters and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► requirements that are put upon you and what you actually want to do going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► forward but you know what you're going to end so I think he is an example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1016">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► netscape being rewritten to become Muslim everything and no one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► netscape is a simple application like many web browsers those are complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► right there have been no prob like they knew there was complicated but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► twenty-twenty hindsight you can say look that code base that all netscape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► codebase was not going anywhere if it was basically going to be a dead end it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► would not exist today no matter how much work they put into it and even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► there was tremendous value in like look at all the stuff we get bugged and look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► at you know all those little tricky things we did to make sure that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► worked with weird you know mail services there was an alkaline built into it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► how it works at NTP and all these nuances of talking to news servers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► dealing with the web as it gets in 1993 that had value but the value by now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► either gone or pointless because you know the web browsing engine world's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► gone so far at the Henry written it they would be completely irrelevant now as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► stands there probably aren't you for another be right or something because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► their engine you know get everything is kind of like looking like the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► grandfather next to WebKit and blank and all these fancy new things so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► people saying now Joe you read that article but look at they hadn't driven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► everything they'd be completely irrelevant and almost around and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► even though he did rewriting so you know that this time the time comes when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► need to cut your losses and move on but i i think they value in that article is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► explaining why there is yr old code has good qualities that you might not see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► when all you could see how disgusting is definitely like a very common programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► immaturity that you see where you'd like a programmer is assigned to take over a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► project where they were hired in like a new a new lead on it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► they're looking at someone else's code who you know was previously they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► almost always young performers want to rewrite it their way and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► generally a pretty immature and and inefficient position to take you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1135">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► it's it's easier for you to to to start poking around 20 this whole thing is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► mess this is not going to work it's terrible this previous previous prisoner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► this was an idiot and we gotta rewrite everything scratch and you know it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► the real world like the article is pretty good advice most of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► obviously there's exceptions to everything the example use of netscape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► was of course a very extreme example netscape is a and was a tremendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► absolutely tremendous doing so many things and so obviously running that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► it was a pretty big ordeal rewriting a pretty simple web service that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► do a whole lot on the web service and is not that hard you know I mean I wrote I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► remember the first version in like one night and you know built on a from their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► part time but it was never the website was never really have the time so be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1195">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► writing that is very very different from rewriting netscape so two quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► questions for you in a very qualitative and and off the cuff way would you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► that it it seems clear that the Instapaper website you would say is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► very complex and and I'm thinking mostly about text parser that strikes me as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► would be pretty complex but it seems to me like you're waving at office not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► bad is that fair to say that experts are really isn't that bad it's really not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► that complex you you would be surprised how easy it is to do a pretty good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► person about to text and then with that in mind how much code smell would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► say the codebase had like you said you were half 8th between major rewrite and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► that obviously induces a little bit of stench if you will but would you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► that generally speaking was in pretty good shape aside from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► the text parser was in bad shape but everything else was pretty solid as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► as I remember honestly I spent a little time working on the website I barely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► remember the code but it was we can tell you one thing and one other direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► and I'll take this conversation briefly is there is great article I posted a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► few lines ago by James Hague and I'll put a link in the show nodes and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► beat algorithmic wizardry and he was first talking about like you know all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► the crap about about brain teaser tech interviews which are terrible and he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► his has one line that I love when it comes to writing code number one most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► important skill is how to keep a tangle of features from collapsing under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► weight of its own complexity and she said you want to say to a great extent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► the act of coding is one of organization refactoring simplifying figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► to remove extraneous manipulations here and there and it's it's a fantastic bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► of wisdom there because so many times what makes me want to rewrite parts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► my own code or modules or even entire apps which is pretty rare but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► what makes me want to rewrite stuff like that is friction optimizations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► complexities that I have implemented forever ago and have since forgotten how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► they work and you know it's like you're competing with like yourself from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► future and it's really really easy to you know you see something here that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► could do the school thing if he's a little bit of complexity here this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► little weird hackear that it's not pretty but it'll work in a school thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► within six months from now you get to that you see that and you see oh I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► think I messed up the whole thing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► cases question from before about doing clever things in code or whatever like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► think most programmers go through that phase of where you don't understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► everything that you do understand everything you start to invent your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► clever things I try to get myself away from looking at the code at that level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1374">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► because what I found is that the most important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► I have to ask about the like the blocker the method or the whatever the module [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► that whatever its class time Lohan or whatever is what is this code supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► to do that question should be like that phrase do some very clever flowery way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► and put into big giant poster shoved me like the old IBM Think poster because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► almost any time anyone is having a programming problem aside for me having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► to teach them how to debug works which is surprising i dont no not another get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► their jobs done is that question what like so you're in there you got this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► clever bit the dust some clever thing and it's got some groups and some lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► and some variables if you know what the function at says doing like I know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► purpose of this function either because documented or is named well or both or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► just know what it is because he wrote recently the job as long as it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1436">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► this and put it gives you this out but you know I know what his job is I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► where it fits into the whole block diagram of my thing and that of course I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► know that I always know when I was looking at the couple lines along my car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► ever but as you work for a long time especially constantly thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► this you will find yourself in the function and someone will ask you what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► is it like it just does that doesn't matter gets called and then I'm in here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► and a half of the state like what matters you know it doesn't matter like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► this just gets called when this happened then eventually you know I'm very deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► in the cost I just think it's called in to like this job was supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► doing it what is the job of this function as I will usually it just takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► this and put it there and processing turns in that flips out on but sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► if if this thing is also on me like you can't explain to me what this function [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► does and it's like what it does is affected by global state and it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► lots of conditionals and behave this way and it's deeply intertwined with other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► things and it's it's all mixed in with the GUI and it depends on the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► the state of the database or orientation and devices and you know you like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► function as well that you lost sight of this new beginning maybe was a simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► function but to make your application work you continue to screw up to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► point where now asking what is this function do you have to tell me a story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► so it's not the clever lines are you doing some sort of been asking and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► sort of clever thing we're here you know sharing some variable and and trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► reuse memory from previous incarnation or do some caching that's not your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► your problem is you know that the function does if you know what I did but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► then by all means do the most crazy clever awesome way that you could do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► and that have an awesome unit tests to make sure that crazy clever way works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► exactly the same as the boring you know that you're fine then go nuts but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► data fine is the problem that's the function of this class about how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► these things that interact with the relationship between these things in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1548">TS</a>]
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00:25:56 ◼ ► assertions you can make about them about what states they should be a statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1556">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► like those are the questions that you have to keep in your mind and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► broader you can get that picture nail down the simple it is I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► you have any experience maybe if I with a really simple application or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► where you have or maybe an application to read like a hundred times more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► writing courses have this weird like I'm going to do like a canonical pet store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► example or something if you have a design that really is the correct the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► beginning Cody itself becomes mechanical almost boring is all you're doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► like I know exactly what I gotta do what you have to do is not complicated I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► gonna write it it's pretty straightforward maybe there's a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► of nuances in clever ways to do it but who cares and just it just falls out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► your premise falls out of you because if you have designed correct implementation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► is trivial you know once you know any language more less or any API that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► really the case usually the design done to that level especially during some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► the first times you keep having to go back and revise revise and if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► constantly think about what is this thing supposed to do what is this class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► that was as function to what is not to do what does its job and the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► isn't simple enough to justify I know exactly do they have a problem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► that's why I think Marquez text parser is a reasonable thing to fiddle with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► because we know what his job does it takes a web page and it gives you back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► taxes doesn't have all the crap like he can write a fancier explanation but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► simple input-output operation what happens in there can be extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► complex cool and interesting or whatever but you know it in the grand scheme of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► things that's a pretty simple function of the very few side effects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► and you're right you know what I'm talking about competing with herself in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► the future and understand what your road and and you know but under complexity I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► am talking about I'm not talking about the you know how you know how you shift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► the bits over here within this function that you're right I don't care I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► talking about the ball at the crazy you never these at the global stately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► things that are weirdly intertwined that have we are dependencies that is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► you know it works in your head while you're writing it because you know all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► that stuff it sits in your memory but then as you know in a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► you're gonna forget how that works and somebody's gonna be breaking in a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► way or you gonna have to add something to it and that's gonna break in a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► way and you have no idea this whole system works you just want to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► work like when you know when you get in that state you like I just want to spit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► the bun and see that they appear like I just wanted to work right and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► putting code you just putting the code wherever you need to put code to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► work you do you land someplace some very important said you put the code right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► there to say something very right here without thinking you know like is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► the place where I should be doing this because everything is everyone gets it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► reaches a threshold like so close to this thing working if I could just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► I just put a conditional their thing would work is that the right place to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► put the conditional why you going to do that check as you know like to ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► questions i just want to see they want to click the button they want to see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► thing up here and everybody does that to some degree and it just you multiply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► that by the number of programs and the complexity of the problem and if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► not constantly revising your view of the world and constraining your code is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► the right place this code may be there is no right place this code which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► reflects a problem that are designed that we didn't foresee some time to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► back to the giant block level and say okay maybe we need to redo these blocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► and nobody wants to think about that you like but I'm so close off if I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► because I'm so close that will be fine and up to comment on the top of Anubis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► finally that's why when other people when you look at you know well as other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► people's code when you look at someone else's code you like to be written it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► because that person maybe didn't do such a good job of keeping the handle on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► things that you look at these functions just ten different things and the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► has very very tenuous connection with the content of the code and it makes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► want everyone to know you know it's funny the way you're describing things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► unsurprisingly agree with everything you said it's almost like the five whys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► developing code you know why did I write this method ok why is this method part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► of this class why is this class part of this namespace a part of this module and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► so on and so forth in and you certainly make a very interesting point I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► that intrinsically that's what developers tend to do but doing it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1796">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► explicitly and and deliberately certainly can't do anything but help ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► there was an army had never ever going to have a critical was like what makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► good programmer in this article that Marco through the Lincoln for us is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► similar to it and my contention is more touchy-feely but one of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► there's lots of times what kinds of good programs right and there are you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► the classic good program like John Carmack whatever just like you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► genius really good at math can do very clever algorithmic things like that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► we think it was like oh he's an amazing program right and there's definitely a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► place up in another kind of very good programmer is always a touchy-feely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► things but like people motivated by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► to you know to avoid things that make them uncomfortable right and disorder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► makes you uncomfortable that will be a strong motivator for you to you know to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► make things harder to people people who are discomforted by you know things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► are messages are they usually like people say obsessive-compulsive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► personality the wrong word for it so I don't know what the right word for it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► but you know they have websites where they show like a line of pencils or one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► pencils poking out the type of people who are annoyed by that pencil talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► and I want to push it back down everyone's annoyed by by a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► but some people are made much more uncomfortable that pencil broke out than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► other people are the more you have that feeling the son of you know that like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► makes you physically uncomfortable for your books on your bookshelves not to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► aligned or like things to be out of place and you know they can ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► wondered what some people have to do a higher degree that is another kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► good programmers you find someone who is really really uncomfortable when things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► are unintended properly you would think like I what makes me good programmers my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► I'm good with our growth and I know but user interface but really entire class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► of prayer is what makes a good program is their complete inability to tolerate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► things being out of order and that extending all like this class cannot be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► that's not the responsibility of this method to do this at all that states [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► should not be touched by here there should be an abstraction between this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► nation should reach into that to go that you know every single one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► things once you get some knowledge of programming becomes like that pencil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► poking up you just cannot tolerate it all way down to the simple things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► inconsistent indenting like I know program we have no problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► inconsistent and ending spaces tabs random curly brace styles like a giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► mess that's not common I think programmers are more towards the can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► stand it when their books are lined up on the shelf but that skill like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► it's not a skill like that sort of personality disorder I don't know mental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► impairment that you know being physically uncomfortable to a degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► that's outside their room of the norm by disorder makes you a better programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► probably ticular kind and since you know it's usually don't think people want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► think they're super hour's drive from like they're amazing strength or super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► speeder intellect don't want to think that the thing that makes a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► programmers that thing that handicaps them and the rest of their regular life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► like not enough to a debilitating degree but that's obsessive compulsive is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► entirely different thing I don't know what the thing is I'm talking about over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► the realtor missed but some of them like that it's like turning you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► silver lining in things that are mentally wrong with you and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► definitely the case with me I don't like disorder I think it makes me better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► programmer and I think every program has to to some degree I definitely alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/1999">TS</a>]
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00:36:17 ◼ ► that actually have to wear contacts and I'm not gonna get into the specifics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2177">TS</a>]
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00:36:24 ◼ ► the home Tryon thing and one of the great things about the home tryin thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2184">TS</a>]
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00:36:32 ◼ ► go out of our comfort zone and you know said Parker send a pair of glasses that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2192">TS</a>]
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00:38:34 ◼ ► with nothing in them or their clear whatever these had actual sunglass you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2314">TS</a>]
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00:38:40 ◼ ► see how they would look on you as sunglasses which was nice I so I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► pick the you know three pair that I thought I would like to exotic rare and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2324">TS</a>]
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00:39:55 ◼ ► pairs of glasses and you didn't pick any order a pair of glasses and you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► take any of the eight your own age you picked him up of the two things correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2399">TS</a>]
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00:42:08 ◼ ► have sunglasses and stuff but I already have like three pairs of sunglasses like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► another one and she actually really needed glasses cause her existing ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2532">TS</a>]
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00:42:46 ◼ ► didn't have too many of those problems the iOS App Store afraid might because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► it on so many came in this paper iOS apps in the App Store on day one so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► first bit of code written for IOUs to and most of the current code was written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► for iOS three and I've matured over time you know to add features here and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► but the core code base pretty as a city there's still some view structure in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► there for iOS three and there were some modern features I never took advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► of things like child view controllers do control containment all that stuff it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► was interesting I think five I never even took advantage of that and back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2604">TS</a>]
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00:43:54 ◼ ► built up quite a lot of those for various things and a lot of it was to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► its great advantage things like like the iBookstore pagination there was an API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► for that but the structure of it made it almost impossible to use any reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► way with a WebView and of course actually an iOS 7 I think they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► instead of one of the slides the nation to web use a flag you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2657">TS</a>]
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00:44:30 ◼ ► trying you know over time that really made into papers iOS codebase pretty big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► and there there are a few hacks in there that are pretty uncomfortable and so now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► working on this new big app and it actually gonna be a Business Insider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2681">TS</a>]
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00:44:53 ◼ ► to do in the UI is avoid those kind of hacks as much as I can like it rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► than like if I want a certain really cool feature rather than saying oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► invest two weeks into making this tremendous pile of hacks that i'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► hate in six months we have to go back and change something and it have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► these weird side effects because I just have to do that one feature rather than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► doing that I'm trying and this is actually pretty hard I love doing those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► who create the house at the time but I'm really trying to to lean more towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► just doing the eighty percent solution doing like whatever the UI affords me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► the ability to do easily whatever the API allows an easy way just do that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► don't get into this giant pile of hacks style of like gotta keep this one crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► future by doing this big pile acts but I don't know what do you think I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2746">TS</a>]
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00:45:55 ◼ ► a it was cool being oppressed and see it was a huge competitive advantage so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2755">TS</a>]
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00:46:04 ◼ ► can avoid it makes you stand out like you know it maybe there's a brief [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► honeymoon period Iowa summer merely just doing the standard your iOS 7 is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► enough for like the day when launched but all those things and Instapaper did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► that made it different you know its branding it's raining here application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2776">TS</a>]
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00:46:24 ◼ ► appearing and there's no way to do that well if I make it a totally different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► element ever do something with custom car animation layers said refusing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► you know navigation controller that you know does whatever it wants to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► will just add that little little bit of difference there and those little things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► add up and make your application stand out as oh this is not just a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► standard controls in wages interacting in exactly the same way as they would in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► some demo application it's got a little extra and yet to find a balance between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► a little extra letterpress right so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2813">TS</a>]
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00:47:15 ◼ ► just maybe you just want like the just one defector elementary transition that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► I can't get that are going to do in a fancy way in it and it's something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► people will see a lot of nowhere to stay with my application but I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► hold off on being like but I really wish that I could get that thing to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► but oh well the thing that it does now is fine I really wish I was a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► different but I'll just use the regular clashing class and class doesn't display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► you know doesn't reshuffle their show the title the way I wander wouldn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► be great if the title could fly you know all that stuff is gonna know you about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2862">TS</a>]
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00:47:48 ◼ ► sort of grin and bear it and pick your battles and maybe pick one or two places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► in the first version read defenses stuff and then just wait like this like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► said if you wait long enough you know maybe it'll get built in and the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2876">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► who waited until page-turning was built in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► they had a baby had a competitive disadvantage but there are other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► instances where people didn't have a competitive disadvantage that has waited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► for you know some sort of you know navigation controller future to appear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► and you had acted in version too and it appeared in version 3 that was maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2893">TS</a>]
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00:48:21 ◼ ► know fancy behavior when it's also about where you're making these fancy hats so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2901">TS</a>]
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00:49:18 ◼ ► to make these custom wild things happen that are kind of supported or maybe just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► do some really wild stuff with coordination that isn't that isn't off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2962">TS</a>]
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00:49:31 ◼ ► are designed to have this flexibility than maybe that will prevent some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2971">TS</a>]
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00:49:40 ◼ ► something fancy in your view but that and that is probably more maintainable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► and then saying the thing that controls these news that's where I'm going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/2984">TS</a>]
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00:50:19 ◼ ► exact same way to it was actually pretty black boxy so it wasn't really a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3019">TS</a>]
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00:50:33 ◼ ► and lights and anything you know you have used anything I want to populate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3033">TS</a>]
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00:50:42 ◼ ► have to do so you can make your gridview work you're not on the hook to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► general-purpose collection view that works in a million different context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3045">TS</a>]
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00:50:53 ◼ ► bigger hacks came from things like transitions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► and especially more on the iPhone with the iPad I was doing a lot more of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3055">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► own custom UI a very common practice though for programmers making iOS stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► is generally stay with the new I get four for a lot of uses but then you hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► some kind of weird limitations edge case probably its annual bar button item had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► some kind of edge case and you like well if i if I want this to do this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► then I have to like not even use UI toolbar or a dream that my own button or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► something you know something on a pretty large scale like that and if you say yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► even a couple of those things it starts getting kind of insane and then if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► start if you start saying things that involve multiple views and multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► controllers like navigational structures or transitions then you can start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► getting pretty hairy pretty quickly and everything that comes out this becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► easier to do in a in a supported or at least a cleaner way you know I S seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3117">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► supports all sorts of cool new stuff to make this to make a lot of these hacks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► either unnecessary or substantially better and more maintainable and and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3124">TS</a>]
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00:52:28 ◼ ► thing those right to hard things and thereafter with a bunch of easy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3148">TS</a>]
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00:58:17 ◼ ► they have a Java multi file downloader thing and that that hasn't worked have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3497">TS</a>]
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00:58:46 ◼ ► some kind of weird session stuff and are now does it say it's all indicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► because it's just a great grab your cookie jar and I'm done it many times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3530">TS</a>]
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00:59:18 ◼ ► top of that and make a series of scripts the process yeah actually with it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3558">TS</a>]
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00:59:30 ◼ ► talk about John I know you had an interesting topic he wanted to bring up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3570">TS</a>]
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00:59:46 ◼ ► on their phone just not really so much but i wanna talk about don't talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3586">TS</a>]
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01:00:10 ◼ ► they think about their own a phone right and the taking pictures but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/3610">TS</a>]
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01:22:58 ◼ ► your friends and making videos and all that stuff is going to be gone in start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► the clock because this not doing anything to help you like protected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► long-term and maybe they think you're not supposed to protect him maybe you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► just supposed to like enjoyed in the moment look at it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► and let it disappear when you buy a new phone you drop in the ocean but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► don't mention that in the commercial I cannot show that experience like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► time we went to parrot look at those pictures out of those three phones ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► house anymore we're running long should that be a good one more thing it is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► the kind of thing you'd you'd think Apple would tackle I mean this is a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► webservice big data back and maybe that's been good at it but like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► good at like saying that looking beyond the way things are done now to do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► like cases the five whys and get all way down to the root problem like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► don't want to deal with any of this stuff let's just saw their actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► problem that actual problem is I want to browse the web I want to send email and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► iPad can let them do that without all sorts of complications and concepts that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► existed on the Mac complicated that they're good at cutting through that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5036">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► stuff and so this is another case where you know well backup is difficult and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► always problems and how we gonna pay for this and we're going to store it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► made people to have a blog bandwidth caps or whatever and you know like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► time machine was a good step in that direction but that's like the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► century step even the time she was in the last century Apple's the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► company who has the margins and the control of hardware software and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:25 ◼ ► usually the vision to not worry about the technical details and just figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► out what people want to make it happen that's why I think yeah but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► forgetting that so much of this hypothetically relies on really strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► Internet services we've all discussed ad nauseum that is not apples I know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► they haven't liked the heavy like really even attempted it like it also depends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► on like deep technology like Core standards in like building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► infrastructure which is also not good at especially when it comes to data storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► so many of Apple's blind spots but I I thought I would have rather seen them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► like three years ago come out with like Apple's new cloud file system it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► everywhere at once and it would be a terrible problem not work but at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► they had the right idea of like we are going to completely abstract storage on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► all levels knew this crazy multi hierarchy thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► understand it as a core OS feature not as like a GUI feature like a major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► version of iOS iOS 10 it has to be like a feature like the kernel or the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► system has to be at that level where are the web service level never even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► attempted that they haven't made any run at like photostream is the closest I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► come in that's like one little appendage hang off a couple of applications on iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► and Mac that's kind of weird and you could only recently delete things from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:38 ◼ ► that and understand how it works and it's not clear people at the mental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5138">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► model is and it sure as hell doesn't apply to anything some of the photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► that you mention those particular applications like they're not done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► anything going for the big solution and failing there just maybe they maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► know their limitations and it just like we have to nibble about that this from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► the edges I still don't know what photostream backs up doesn't like it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5154">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► just assume it backs up nothing that's what people do like I remember for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► six months photostream to show me black rectangles in iPhoto like they were my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► photos because they were the right number and i can tell from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► orientation is the addition of my house but they were just completely black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► well that and then like you do you have the full resolution copies and forestry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► and where is it have smaller I think it's ok all right let's wrap thanks a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► Warby Parker and igloo software and we'll see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► now this show as they didn't even mean to begin it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► Casey it was a joke and you can be a team Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5208">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► say this I think someone posted it again in the eye of some things talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► those people who are actually listening to this it's the STU does design studios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► I was not its to design our Stan Everex concept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5276">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► basically a OS iOS 7 style redesign of Mac OS can have a big better and hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► this is not this year I actually don't think it's terrible though I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► the menu bars totally out of place given the rest of the screen I have her ex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► thank you sam the geek that makes more about this I don't like but overall he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► looks fine I do you think Apple will go on an iOS 7 like direction with don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:34 ◼ ► see why the Mac us to look anything I can see it being redesigned but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5314">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► see any reason it has to look anything like I always liked it did did the max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► buttons ever look like I was as buns maybe they came close to a certain point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► but like they were like recessed like the iOS 6 buttons bar with like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► shadow on top of them they were on on top you know i mean i i would say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► OS 10 never believed that much like I wasn't my first yeah I mean you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5336">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► redesign the redesigned to look exactly like your other thing you can just be no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► but familiarity is never a bad thing especially new high design yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► section review about that topic but you know you don't need a space thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► this right before the Iowa 7 1,000,000,000 the keynote was like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► night before or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:23 ◼ ► about how you know people people are trained on how to use interfaces these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5363">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► days and you don't really need something to look exactly like a button for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► to figure out the bun stuff like that and some of this like you know you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► need ten to have the same visual style as iOS four people to know how to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► just give it like a similar behavior like oh there are things you can click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► on that behave like buns there are labels there are no lists and structures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► and you know other ways to present data and to deal with it you don't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► look at the same you can have its own totally different visual theme and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► people figure out a hot dog stands 3.1 is to forget how to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► that said though like a straight up exactly I 007 style redesign I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► like because the I was seven style like there's not much to it right you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► like it might like to look at look at the notification thing we're showing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► notification like dogs got buttons like the iOS 7 concedes that the buns go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► ahead instead of being in the buttons like that's fine you know the window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► controls being lot line services thanks I mean that locals together but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► like these details but it doesn't look like crazy and looks reasonable but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:49 ◼ ► not I'm not saying oh I don't look at me and I can tell you that I would like any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5449">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► kind of cool redesign but you know this right so even though it's only been two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:59 ◼ ► days has a review I wish that I wish the OS would work better so that I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5459">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► review it is the review I don't know what their schedule is like because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:13 ◼ ► putting out bills and things don't work out how can I write about them if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5473">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► don't work well just 25 everytime you touch something at any touch interaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► running 10 naps it logs and debug messages to the console on a truck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► solution just increased the program counter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:37 ◼ ► like to patch over fprintf doesn't obviously the shipping as bad as out on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5497">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► some kind of you know minimal testing or at least less testing schedule like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► you know it there if they ship that out leaving this this this extremely common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► debug print statement in there that's annoying every single iOS developer this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5517">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► week obviously you know what else are they leaving in there and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:05 ◼ ► at the start but I had a Cisco VPN client downloaded from the official [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5525">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► Cisco website not a bad I'm not anything like that on OS 10 that would log like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► like a base 64 dump of the data it sends and receives all the data center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► like I installed it and I'm on the VPN and doing things on the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:23 ◼ ► hard-driving tick tick tick tick tick on the console login my son's memory before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5543">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► just log change the database format anyway and there was there was all data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► so it's like well when I'm kind of the VPN is going to just abused my hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► drive at any time by writing a little bit today that eventually gets flushed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:44 ◼ ► to disk things people will ship but works I want to write about iBooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5564">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► yesterday and today but it is not in a state where I can use it to do things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► write about today I spent a long time trying to purchase a book like it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► like and how cannot so now I'm in this annoying uncomfortable state where I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► and I'm terrified to make screenshots of anything because like you know should I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► go nuts taking screenshots of everything now and then have to redo the mall or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► should it wait until like the very last minute and just do them in a scramble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► this time like 70% done with the writing which is not done with the with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► production of this thing then naturally can we make the opening soundbite I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► spend a lot of time trying to buy a book just that good now I have a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► important question was tipped listening live in another room and came running in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► at the eleventh hour was she actually hearing only one side of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► conversation in the office for like the hour we spent before the Warby Parker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► spot neither of those when I when I knew this was coming up I sent her a I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:58 ◼ ► saying come in now expected about 25 minutes and that was about 30 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5638">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► and that was pretty good morning that I was like 30 35 something like that so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► sent a message saying hey come on announced that she was here she said she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:13 ◼ ► watched me listen to John for about 45 seconds and then I passed over her so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5653">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► she could take not true man what i've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► not a lot of feedback about the last episode since it's only been out for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► few hours but everyone is sad I got circles around I wanted in my ears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► immediately followed that was not granted there was like it was it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► was like you know we're still looking back on a bad experience wow what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► Randy like randy is when I talk about TiVo or file systems for educators show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► the show on file systems and heard that everyone was mentioning you put into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5695">TS</a>]
01:35:01 ◼ ► covered on the same ground but then went forward more past what I have talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5701">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► about my talk about a hundred more things have transpired although not much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► in the Apple world what's going on anything it was two days ago nothing now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► done things different now somebody's going on vacation all next week yet John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► back to back to the grind yeah so he doesn't know where we're going tomorrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► she knows we're going but she doesn't know where it should be fine but we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► see how this works out on scared she's extremely easy going so it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5736">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► fine but I'm scared you guys back by not being here the entire fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► be doing what you'll be doing you have no job you have nothing to do pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:51 ◼ ► much almost every weekend in September or October I'm doing something like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5751">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► crazy those months are insanely booked for me on Wednesdays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5755">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► findings I think I'm only gonna be like one Wednesday it's really not be easiest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:08 ◼ ► vacations get two for the show might be a problem trying to actually ship my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5768">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► apperance I'm most definitely not going to see you don't think I'll be there on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:16 ◼ ► day one I will I would give that like a 20 percent chance of this point maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5776">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► even less I really the more I do with it the more I want to do with it and i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► im gonna obviously have that problem of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5787">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► taking forever never shipping version one but the bigger thing is I'm Way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► behind on even getting the basics done and some of its going faster than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► expected some of its going slower than I expected and so i dont im still too far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► out to say you know whether I will be able to get out there for day 1 like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:47 ◼ ► whether it's even possible but I'm guessing looking at it now it's not cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5807">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► you know what if what if day one is like late September that's what six weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5812">TS</a>]
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01:37:33 ◼ ► so the reality of me getting this out there in any kind of ship but 1.0 state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5853">TS</a>]
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01:38:20 ◼ ► a very very bitter today you're probably going out there for day one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5900">TS</a>]
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01:38:36 ◼ ► wanna get out there for this fall I don't again I don't know how realistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:40 ◼ ► it will be to hit any particular month and thinking october november is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5920">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► probably more reasonable for the holidays people get their iPhones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:52 ◼ ► iPads for Christmas they can store up here but you have a busy October for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5932">TS</a>]
01:38:55 ◼ ► sure I'm involved with I know half of your October I'm going so between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5935">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► September and October I'm going to two conferences that are that are very far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:05 ◼ ► away each I'm going to anniversary trip is it it's our 5th anniversary this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5945">TS</a>]
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01:39:17 ◼ ► like four major trips yet for major trips within two months where you goin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5957">TS</a>]
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01:39:26 ◼ ► stated a little sort that we like yeah we want our wedding night excuse so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5966">TS</a>]
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01:39:44 ◼ ► to do every week it's gonna be a rough rough rough early fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:51 ◼ ► you know by by November so I should have an easier schedule in time for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5991">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► holidays and all the family travel goes along with that I can help you out about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/5997">TS</a>]
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01:41:30 ◼ ► sometimes you can be working from home and sometimes you can't depending on how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► sick the kid is taking to the doctor and limited vacation days it's like RTS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/6093">TS</a>]
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01:43:13 ◼ ► got every Lego known to man I guess that he does have those those are his but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSSJsww/6193">TS</a>]