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00:01:15 ◼ ► Mavericks or whatever comes after Mavericks comes out and your iSCSI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/75">TS</a>]
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00:02:27 ◼ ► have that kind of fallback option and also one more little bit of follow-up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/147">TS</a>]
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00:03:26 ◼ ► microserver might be worth looking at that's all I really know about it but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/206">TS</a>]
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00:03:50 ◼ ► be able to flexibly takeout drives and stick in new ones of different sizes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/230">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► haven't you know three silver and everything like if you're doing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/234">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► lose the advantage of being able to pull that drive out and attach it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/238">TS</a>]
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00:04:15 ◼ ► option like in case a time machine thing breaks with 10 9 because one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/255">TS</a>]
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00:04:36 ◼ ► more about all this research on that but it ends of people are speculating that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/276">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► might break or change the time machine things it will snow people keep asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/280">TS</a>]
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00:04:52 ◼ ► of weird enhancements to time machine to Network Time Machine backups and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/292">TS</a>]
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00:05:01 ◼ ► when Apple made to the great time machine over the network used to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/301">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► terrible and they did some sort of Procol great to make it not terrible and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/304">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► if you happen to have a third party mask device that supported the old terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/309">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► way and that company didn't upgraded to support the new way than you were sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/312">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► because even though your device typically supported time you should use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/316">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► the old terrible and I think both felt terrible and the new way for both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/319">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► buildup of that piece of my guesses Time Machine over the network to a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/322">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► capsule continues to use AFP even in Mavericks and I say that having not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/327">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► tested it all good to know and I'll be able to I think actually ours is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/331">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► to do another article about s&V to an AFP and that's going to be my excuse for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/337">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► not helping advertisers don't have this type of help I don't have a time capsule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/342">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► of any stripe available for an ass for that matter where I also thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/346">TS</a>]
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00:06:20 ◼ ► pretty comical because it is just like a giant three and a half inch hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/380">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► bay in the middle of this this thing that you know does not need one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/384">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► otherwise if it isn't a time capsule its 3.5 inches are you positive you're on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/389">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► the chat I gotta find things out to be gigantic is a bit like the amount it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/397">TS</a>]
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00:10:04 ◼ ► a little disappointed that you don't have all your cables like zip tied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/604">TS</a>]
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00:10:55 ◼ ► to Muslim public in about a week I don't know how how useful that discussion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/655">TS</a>]
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00:11:10 ◼ ► work period getting ready for iOS 7 so it's kind of a big deal but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/670">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► still selling software like there I did increase of magnitude for example the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/673">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► iTunes Store where nobody can buy anything that iTunes cells going down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/677">TS</a>]
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00:11:32 ◼ ► that we have our stuff together because as terrible as it is for the developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/692">TS</a>]
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00:36:33 ◼ ► likes you win in the old style kind of microsoft office you just have to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2193">TS</a>]
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00:36:41 ◼ ► declaration that I think I think there is something to the library I do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► necessarily think this is why Apple doesn't have a great I'm just trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► think of any any possible upside the capacity explain some reason that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► is this I wish someone write a tell-all book about like the insides of apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► not about like Steve Jobs or like forestall being fired by like about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► boring stuff like what happened the dead center downtown and what was the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► in like five people would read this book but I think it'd be really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► so in in the vein of upgrade pricing I was thinking are you guys were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► 14 / real-time found myself it is absolutely Logic Pro town I don't bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► flatulence I was going through at that moment so apologies but with regard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► upgrade pricing I was thinking you know if we look at the three groups of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► that are involved with this to my mind users apple and developers how is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► having upgrade pricing good for all three will free users it teaches them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► there's no free lunch and set some pricing expectations now they may not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► like them but it teaches us i mean i think thats good for users like any kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► of like remember to drink your Ovaltine good good like you telling you it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► let me let me finish my thought so so Apple it's good for them because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► a lot less complexity involved and that also arguably may be good for users as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► well because I don't need to worry about whether or not they bought the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► before and whether or not they can apply to pricing discount pricing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► obviously can make that obvious within the iTunes Store the App Store whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► but it it eliminates a lot of complexity but most importantly i think is good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► developers in the sense that it's more money for the people who who write great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► apps me look at tweety is a great example of that everyone at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► that was running tweety immediately instead bought 22 because why would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► Milano and complain about the $2 299 man it was like yeah I was like her whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► budget for the year but it obviously keep the system working and so I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► it's true it's an application of keeping system working in other words by users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► continually paying developers for therefore they're very hard work it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► keeps the App Store running and it keeps interesting and worthwhile apps in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► App Store and that is absolutely good free users so maybe it's it's a hop away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► from being directly beneficial to users but I can make a case and perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► someone at Apple has that it is good for users not to have discounted pricing now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► flip that around enough I put on my user had it makes me crumble little bit but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► if you're willing to take one for the greater good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► I'd rather give chalk and very few bucks every time there's a new Twitterrific or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► whatever the case may be in order to keep the icon factor in order to keep it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► keep everyone writing these great apps in and I will give Marco another dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► when buck shot two comes out even though it's never going to happen but still in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► principle I would and so it it I i would argue it's actually possibly better for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► everyone if there is an upgrade pricing but with that said I don't run my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► and my business by way of the App Store so I could be totally missed the boat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► here but I think I I think it's probably for the best to such torture that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► doesn't say anything because we're forced into these scenarios are trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► to speculate in like when everything comes about I like the tendency that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► see is people want to assign to Apple some high-minded ideals overarching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► philosophy sometimes that's the case but I think that when there is some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► idea of motivation behind it Apple articulated eventually sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► repeatedly sometimes strong sometimes weekly but eventually you get their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► philosophy behind it whereas I don't think they like their pricing has ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► been justified her defended even like in a subtle are weak way by Apple which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► makes me go right to the other possible is people don't like to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► which is like incompetents foolishness that it's a mistake and that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► mitigating circumstances that don't make any sense outside of Apple organizations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► explain why this doesn't happen enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► exactly all the reasons that make apple not look good like everyone wants to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► secret apples and therefore and because Apple makes awesome things because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► love Apple therefore the secret reason must be so and then makes us like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► you know do able to work for it and try to come up with a philosophy that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► sense in like don't you see it's because of like and we can come up with those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► possibilities and there are possible but it's not us to articulate that and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► know it's it's apples responsibly to either explain itself or not and with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► lack of an explosion I'm just as likely to assume incompetence is the reason for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► that there really are making a mistake or that there's some sort of internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► political BS conflict over the issue I always go to those possibilities but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► whenever I read on the web everyone starts from the premise that Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► all-knowing and wonderful that's kind of like one of the advantages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► being secret is that you know if you if you make good products and you don't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► anything about them and you don't talk about how things work internally people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► will assume that you are a level sudanese monks who with high-minded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► ideals who have the whole world figured out but in reality it you know it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► any other company and they're all fighting with each other and doing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► sorts of stuff in there being no office politics and being incompetent and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► making mistakes and yelling at each other and having fires in the server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► room where the hell is going on today when speaking of incompetents I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► earlier when you said and it seemed to me to be jokingly that maybe that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► the dead center was down was in order to get the upgrade pricing squared away I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► think it's pretty obvious that logic Pro 10 wouldn't have been released already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► if they were going to do the right thing I was connected in terms of things but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► you know the assumption of Apple's competence and the counter example being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► extended downtime to not be down this long and I absolutely going back a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► sector of great pricing neither of you I don't think I have really mention I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► think what the most obvious reason is because it keeps offer prices down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► we've seen David Barnard had recently released recently brought back that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► slide from Steve Jobs at like three or four to DC's ago where they weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► using I add and he said we want developers tribute to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► continue offering free and low-cost apps and and you know obviously Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► benefits substantially with a lot of basic economic reasons Apple benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► substantially by software being really cheap for their platforms you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► whole joint offer a strategy that have come out as in your compliments and Mike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► by 12 people emailed me to say Jordan invent that cause for some reason joel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► has received more criticism than anybody who writes as friendly as he does have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► anyway so Apple will benefit a lot from having all the software for the devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► be cheap because then people have a really great reason to buy their devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► because all this offers available for not that much more money and Apple takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► a ton of problems device sales they don't get they don't make a whole lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► from the App Store so they don't need to worry about making that substantially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► bigger you know it's just not it pales in comparison to what they can make on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► hardware and and then having people have a lot of apps on their devices is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► for Apple because not only do you sell maybe bigger hardware faster hardware so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► people can run these ask better hold more of them but there's this massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► lock-in effect denim once you have a bunch of apps there's more there is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► likely that I think that you're going to keep buying Apple's products as new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► competitors come out with with fewer or different apps you aren't used to wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► the don't solve your needs so WSW so if you've just dropped nearly $400 on two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► different versions of Logic Pro has just thrown across the load of money at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► same apt two or three times that's gonna make me even less anxious to bail from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► iOS or or or or you know exactly and so so Apple I don't think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► intentionally went out there and built the app stores in such a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► encourage cheap apps I don't think that was intentional I don't think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► planned in advance I think it was designed as I think the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► success has been just as much of a surprise to Apple's it has been everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► else and the skirt the scale and the scope of just how how big it's become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► but I do think that by having asked be really really cheap and having you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► upgrades not be very simple having everything about buying installing ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► be as simple as possible including that now we see like 90% of them something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► our free then from Apple's point you but anyway regardless I think we're seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► that Apple is benefiting substantially from this so even though they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► design it from the outset to lower software prices that has been the effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► and it's benefiting apple and benefiting customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► and developers just have to suck it up and that's kind of the attitude that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► Apple has with a lot of stuff to its developers its look here's the new way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► of doing things this is better for users probably and it's gonna be better for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► some developers and you can either join that train or you know whether and I we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► don't really care but here's how things are going and and you know you can join [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► us if you want to and I i get the feeling that this is this is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► going to anger some people but I get the feeling that you can look at developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► myself included especially especially my past self but even a little bit my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► current self you can look at us and you can you can say about us and our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► a lot of what we said about the music industry in the late nineties and early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► two thousands of obviously things are going in a direction here and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► developers are taking advantage of that and making a killing or you know really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► substantially improving their businesses and their products and it's great for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► people and it's great for some couple of intermediaries like Apple but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► industry is moving in this direction and developers who sit around and whine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2815">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► about not being able to charge 50 bucks for a nap anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► are increasingly turned to look like the record labels in 2002 and there's only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► so much you can do in that position you can keep whining about it and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► keep wishing things will change but they probably want all all odds are against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► that and there's nothing you going to educate users into paying higher prices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► that's not going to happen the software and services side there are different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► than the new exciting one really important when I think because when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► music's I feel like I could sell CDs for like 20 bucks or whatever anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► because people are you know game for free and then I do not want to sell for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► 99 cents attractive never liked that's that's the phenomenon the low prices but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► on the upside that's not how it goes beyond that it's not just all here's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► new way where people can get your things less expensively what's happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► on the app and the services side is that that is mutating into a worse product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2873">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► for users so that the developers can get more money the freemium model or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► thing where you know it's a free service but they sell your information it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/2885">TS</a>]
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01:03:24 ◼ ► way it's being run now it's not the feudal system but hasn't advanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► probably passed like the 1800's in terms of sophistication of the governing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSfy4Jw/3808">TS</a>]
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