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177: How Major Life Changes Reshape Creative Workflows, With Quinn Nelson

 

00:00:00   Welcome back to State of the Workflow. My guest this time is Quinn Nelson. Quinn produces tech-focused

00:00:06   YouTube videos on the Snazzy Labs YouTube channel. And while, of course, I wanted to talk

00:00:10   to him about how he thinks about his creative work, I wanted to do something a little bit

00:00:15   different this time. Throughout the series so far, I've been focusing on how people work when things

00:00:20   are ideal for them, when they're in their flow, they're producing content that they care about,

00:00:25   and everything's great. But what happens when your life gets turned upside down and your whole

00:00:30   routine changes? How do you continue to do what you want to do? I became a parent a year ago and that

00:00:37   threw me into this world, trying to navigate a new reality of schedule pressure, lack of sleep,

00:00:43   fear of risk, and emotional adaptation. And so was Quinn. He also became a first-time father a year

00:00:49   ago too. So I wanted to have him on the show to take a look at how a creative person can adapt to

00:00:54   huge shifts in their life. But look, this episode, it is not a parenting special. It's looking at how

00:01:00   you handle an all-encompassing, systems-breaking life event. What happens when your creative workflow

00:01:06   collides with brand new, non-negotiable constraints? How do you work around and with that to continue your

00:01:13   creative output? When your time, your energy, and your attention suddenly become scarce, how do you

00:01:19   rebuild your creative life? That's what we're going to get into on this episode.

00:01:23   So Quinn, I want to start by asking you the question I ask every one of my guests. What device

00:01:29   is the most important for you for getting your work done right now?

00:01:32   You know, I'm going to probably be the weird guy and say my M5 iPad Pro.

00:01:37   Oh.

00:01:38   That is the device that I use the most.

00:01:41   Now, I'm trying to scan back through the previous episodes. I believe you are the first person to,

00:01:48   say, a tablet. Why your iPad?

00:01:50   Well, you know, I've always been a Mac guy. That would have been my answer up until,

00:01:55   frankly, the M4 iPad Pro. I did a review of the M4 iPad Pro, and it was the same as all reviews of

00:02:01   iPad Pros because this was before iOS 26. And I was like, it's really amazing hardware. It's just,

00:02:06   it's still an iPad. And I read a comment that was like, you really just need to try to use it as an

00:02:12   iPad. You're trying to make it a Mac too much. And so I did. And the reality is, is iPads are really

00:02:19   great at a lot of things, especially the things that I do, which is largely web-based and email.

00:02:24   My email app of choice is Spark, which is terrible on the Mac. It is like so slow and bloated and an

00:02:31   electron mess. And on iPadOS, it's native. And so I just started doing things on the iPad and the

00:02:38   hardware is so good with the tandem OLED display and the fantastic keyboard and the fact that it is

00:02:44   a touchscreen that I just kind of used that more and more and more. So I still use a Mac every day at

00:02:50   work and I still use my phone quite a lot to get things done. But when I'm like sitting down to

00:02:55   write or to do email or to schedule or plan, it's almost always on the iPad.

00:03:00   The Spark Mac app, when it launched was so bad, I now use Apple Mail. It just pushed me away from

00:03:08   Spark completely. It was one of the worst apps I have used for so long.

00:03:12   No, and it's not much better. Like it's one of those apps where when you do command Q to quit the app,

00:03:17   there's a dialogue that pops up and it says, would you like to quit now or quit when I'm finished doing

00:03:21   my thing?

00:03:22   Which is unbelievable. So what year is it?

00:03:24   It's so bad. And on the iPad, it's great.

00:03:27   Yes.

00:03:27   So I don't do email on my Mac almost ever.

00:03:29   That's not bad.

00:03:30   Unfortunately, I need Spark for Teams and all that stuff. We tried everything else.

00:03:33   What are you doing with the Spark Team stuff that's so important?

00:03:39   Well, so I have an administrative assistant and I am onboarding a personal assistant and

00:03:46   they're both kind of in my email. My admin assistant, she does client outreach and sales and

00:03:53   all of the weird stuff that YouTubers need to do that most people don't know or associated

00:03:58   with being a YouTuber. And she brings stuff to my attention in the inbox. We do stuff in

00:04:03   Notion as well, but keeping it all in the email because that's where it's happening tends to make

00:04:08   the most sense. And so I've found that the Teams functionality between chatting and not having to

00:04:13   CC and being able to upload media and being able to link stuff out to Notion as well is really nice.

00:04:18   We'll link emails into our Notion workflow that we have. And then when I go to like, oh, what is this

00:04:23   ad or what was this thing? I can just click it and it automatically opens in Spark. That's very nice.

00:04:27   We might talk about these assistants in a little bit, but first I want to kind of set a bit of

00:04:32   context for the listeners. So you produce videos with the YouTube channel Snazzy Labs. That is your

00:04:37   channel. How long have you been doing this? 17 years. That's a really long time. How long has it

00:04:43   been professional? Eight. That's also a really long time. I've been doing it more time in my life than I

00:04:49   have not been doing it. Okay. More than half my life. Yeah. How would you describe the videos you make?

00:04:54   What are the videos that are on this Snazzy Labs channel? This is a great question because I never

00:04:59   know how to respond. I usually just say, oh, I'm a YouTuber and people say, well, what do you make

00:05:04   YouTube videos about? And I say, you know, really boring videos about consumer technology. And that

00:05:10   usually gets them to stop asking questions unless they are interested in tech, in which case I go, well,

00:05:14   you know, we do DIY projects and we do tutorials and we do reviews. But if I had to kind of summarize it,

00:05:22   our overarching goal, our mission statement is to make entertaining videos about technology that are

00:05:29   approachable by everyone, no matter what your skill level is. And so we hope that seasoned experts can

00:05:35   still watch a video and go, oh, I didn't know that. And people that have no idea what we're talking

00:05:39   about by the end can feel like they have a decent grasp on it rather than still being completely lost.

00:05:43   And it's a hard thing to manage, but that's been our MO. Take complicated things and make them

00:05:48   more simple. I think one of the things that I really like about your channel in general is

00:05:54   the wide range of videos that you make.

00:05:59   Oh, thank you.

00:06:00   You will have videos where you're sitting in a chair talking about some new stuff and breaking it down.

00:06:05   Yep.

00:06:05   You'll have videos that are DIY projects completely, right? Where like, you know, you'll build an entire

00:06:12   thing. Like you 3D printed that Mac case recently, right? What Mac was it that you were making?

00:06:18   We did a Mac mini. So that before the kind of new M4, we tore the whole thing apart and then stuck it

00:06:26   inside a smaller case because there was a lot of room that was just wasted space in that old kind of

00:06:32   holdover Intel chassis.

00:06:33   But you also did the classic Mac though, right?

00:06:35   Yeah, we designed and printed like a 1984 style homage to the classic Macintosh and then stuck a

00:06:43   Raspberry Pi inside that does classic Mac OS emulation really, really well. I never had a 1984 Macintosh,

00:06:48   so I wanted to feel what it was like. And, you know, we didn't get to the authentic experience because

00:06:54   it uses an LCD and it's in a 3D printed case, but it was pretty cool. And it is by all intents and

00:07:00   purposes, a Mac.

00:07:01   How many people make up the team at Snazzy Labs?

00:07:04   We are three. Currently, soon to be four. So very small team. Smaller than most YouTubers my size,

00:07:11   probably, for good and bad.

00:07:12   Okay. So it's you as like writer on air talent. You've referenced a admin assistant who sounds like

00:07:18   they also deal with the business stuff, right? Like sponsors and stuff like that.

00:07:22   They do. They help me with that. I still, unfortunately, as all business owners know,

00:07:27   no need to still do the bulk of that, but she's a massive help. Yes. And then I have a production

00:07:33   guy that we always laugh, like, what's your real title again? Creative director, I believe is his

00:07:40   real title, but he does everything involving the camera. So he sets everything up. He shoots my A

00:07:46   role so that you see me on screen. And then he's been working with me for long enough that he knows the

00:07:51   system. So I write the video, I sit down, I read it on camera, and then he's basically off to his

00:07:56   devices to finish it up. He'll get all of the B roll. He edits it together. And like 90% of the video

00:08:02   production is him. I help with assets and stuff here and there, but he's great. So yeah, that's it.

00:08:08   That's us. Small team.

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00:10:00   So what I wanted to talk to you today mainly about is the fact that about a year ago we both became

00:10:06   first-time parents. That's right.

00:10:08   And there is nothing that will change your work more, I have learned, than something like that.

00:10:13   And so what I want to talk about today is how a huge life event can change your creative work and

00:10:20   how you think about it and how you approach it. But before we dig into the big questions,

00:10:24   I want to set a baseline. Before you became a dad, did you feel like you were organized in your work

00:10:32   and how was your work-life balance? Not remotely. I got much better at it.

00:10:36   I was married in December of 2020. And so once I married my wife, I realized that I needed to probably

00:10:46   better balance my time management because up until then, you know, I was a handsome bachelor. I had just

00:10:52   finished my schooling and I had been doing YouTube, like I had mentioned previously, for 17 years. And

00:10:58   so I was doing it as a high school student, as a college student, and there was no work-life balance

00:11:04   because I didn't have anybody to kind of be held accountable to. So I would do my school work and

00:11:10   then I would do a week's worth of YouTube videos in two days and I'd work till 4 a.m. And then I'd sleep

00:11:16   until noon the next day and go to my afternoon class. Like it was just a disaster. I did stuff to just

00:11:21   kind of stay alive. And then when I got married, I quickly realized that it would be more beneficial

00:11:26   to me and my marriage to have a greater semblance of a regular work day. I hired my first employee in

00:11:35   April of 2018. So they had been working for me for a couple of years, but I was not a very good boss in

00:11:40   the sense that they were working nine to five, but I kind of worked whenever I wanted because I was

00:11:45   working all the time. And so sometimes I would show up to work. Sometimes I wouldn't. And I'd just say,

00:11:49   I'm working from home and I'd write my scripts until 11 p.m. That changed kind of a year or two

00:11:55   into my marriage. And I really tried to stick pretty hard to a nine to five. And I was not perfect at it,

00:12:01   but I did a decent enough job. And that augmented substantially when I became a dad, because it

00:12:07   suddenly was to be with my baby and be with Megan, my wife. So I still don't know that I've struck a

00:12:15   balance. My balance has been neglect work in favor of family. Okay. Because that's more important to

00:12:20   me. I don't want to say neglect because I don't neglect it, but it's definitely been a change.

00:12:25   Well, maybe we're looking at a very long term work life balance here where you neglected life for a

00:12:31   while. Yeah. And so now you neglect work a little bit and over time it balances, but that's not really

00:12:37   in the kind of the micro. Yeah. You know, the first three, four or five months post my daughter being

00:12:43   born, I truly did neglect work because I just wanted to be with my family. Yeah. So I was no longer doing

00:12:50   a nine to five. I would go in a couple of days a week and then I would do stuff from home because I

00:12:55   luckily do have a job where most of the stuff that I'm doing can be done from wherever I'm writing,

00:13:00   I'm doing whatever. And much of it, my daughter goes to sleep at around 7 PM. So I would help my

00:13:06   wife during the day and then starting at seven, I'd work until it was bedtime, but I felt like I wasn't

00:13:10   prioritizing time with my spouse either. And so that was a kind of difficult thing to come to. And I have

00:13:17   reverted back to the idea that I'm at work from nine to five. And when I'm not at work, I'm not working

00:13:24   unless I absolutely have to. And the reality is, and you know this well, most business owners do,

00:13:30   you can always be working on something indefinitely forever. And so you just have to tell yourself,

00:13:36   no, I'm done. This can wait till tomorrow. It's not the end of the world. And there have been times

00:13:42   where even in the last six months, I've learned that you can say no to even people who are quite

00:13:47   important, where I've had clients that are like, we need this within 12 hours. And I just tell them

00:13:52   that's not going to happen. Sorry, we'll get it to you in 24. And guess what? The world doesn't end

00:13:55   and they still want to work with you and you can kind of define your own limits. You don't need to

00:14:01   let your clients and other people dictate them for you. So yeah. I think we're going to get some

00:14:05   important lessons learned today. A lot of that was very impressive, but I don't want to go back.

00:14:10   So unlike some other life events, things that can have huge changes to your time, attention output,

00:14:17   you don't usually get nine months of notice beforehand.

00:14:20   That's true.

00:14:22   That is luckily what you get when you're going to have a child. Did you do anything specific during

00:14:29   this period of time to try and prepare yourself from a work perspective?

00:14:34   Not as much as I should have. If I could go back in time, I would have changed it.

00:14:39   Partially because there is naivete, I think, about becoming a first-time parent. You think

00:14:45   you'll be able to manage it more than you do. And then you have a child and you go, oh, wow,

00:14:49   I suddenly respect everybody in my life who was a parent that I had no idea was working.

00:14:54   Yes.

00:14:54   So much and was so tired all of the time. So that was part of it. And then the other part

00:14:59   of it is I perhaps unwisely was doing some fairly major home renovations. And so that got in the way of

00:15:05   what would have been perhaps a time to kind of prepare my work balance. So I did not do much.

00:15:11   There is this belief that YouTubers cannot step away from doing the content, right? That you've

00:15:17   always got to be on the grind. What's the next video? That you've got to have a very defined

00:15:22   publishing cadence. And if you look at my channel, I've never been about that. There will be times

00:15:26   where we'll go a month between one video and then there's three in two weeks. And some would say

00:15:32   that's from the outset, the appearance of disorganization. And the reality is there's

00:15:36   some truth to that. However, it's also that I make videos about the things I want to talk about

00:15:42   when I want to talk about them. And so knowing that I was going to have a child and not having a job

00:15:48   that would provide me traditional paternity, I knew that to think that I would be able to just show up

00:15:54   to work was silly the next day. And I didn't want to do it because at the end of the day, the most

00:15:59   important thing is my wife and my daughter. And I knew that that was going to be the case

00:16:03   even before she was born. So I did what most YouTubers I think don't do. And I pre-recorded

00:16:10   about two months worth of tech content so that I could take a real paternity leave. And it wasn't

00:16:15   a long one. It was only, you know, three weeks full paternity. And then there was another three,

00:16:21   four weeks after that, that was part-time where I was working, you know, five, six hours a week is all.

00:16:25   But I wanted to have time in that kind of first couple of months to be with them. And there are

00:16:30   absolutely no regrets. It was totally worth it. And the YouTube channel survived. It did well in the

00:16:35   videos that I made in advance. Turns out if you make, you know, kind of interesting videos, they don't

00:16:40   have to be super timely and they can still work out fine. So that was my prep.

00:16:44   I was lucky that my creative work is with other people.

00:16:50   The vast majority of my projects are collaborative, so they could be handled while I was gone. And I had to do a

00:16:59   little pre-recording. You know, this show, we did a couple of pre-records. But outside of that, everything could

00:17:04   kind of just be handled because I also took two months, which is funny. It felt like a really long time before it

00:17:11   started. And it felt like a really long time when I was talking to other soon-to-be dads in kind of like

00:17:17   the prenatal group that we were a part of, because everybody else was just taking two or three weeks,

00:17:21   which I don't know how anybody does at two weeks. I still couldn't put sentences together properly.

00:17:25   Yeah.

00:17:27   But going back now, I wish I could have taken longer. I wish I was still off, you know, but it doesn't work

00:17:32   like that.

00:17:33   Yeah. And that's kind of the pro and con to running your own deal is that you can work as much or as

00:17:39   little as you choose to. And if you look at my 2025, it would probably be defined by, from a professional

00:17:48   standpoint, in terms of revenue, we did well. It met our 2024 performance. In terms of viewership, at the end

00:17:55   of the year, we really pulled in clutch there. But leading up to quarter four, I was down massively in

00:18:00   viewership, in revenue. And it's because I wasn't working as much. And this is probably not an answer

00:18:06   that a lot of productive people want to hear, but I just didn't care. I had enough. It was working for

00:18:12   me. And I spent more time with the girls that I love. And everything else is secondary to that. But

00:18:17   like you mentioned, that's not a long-term strategy, right?

00:18:20   Well, it depends though, right? It depends on what you're looking to get. I mean,

00:18:24   you mentioned earlier that you feel like your team is smaller than your colleagues, right? People who

00:18:30   have channels of your size. And so that lends itself to, well, there is an element of you keeping things

00:18:35   a little bit more modest than you could otherwise. But then that gives you the flexibility to not feel

00:18:41   like you need to grow year over year.

00:18:42   That's definitely true. Every time I go and visit other YouTubers, my peers, my contemporaries,

00:18:48   they're always shocked that my team is as small as it is. And the question is, why? And my answer is

00:18:55   usually, well, I have a good quality of living and I have fairly dependable income. I have a strategy

00:19:03   from a content standpoint that has proven to work. However, I have not been an expansionist. Part of that

00:19:10   has been, I'm historically fairly risk averse. I don't want a ton of liabilities from a financial

00:19:16   standpoint, but then part of it is the creator conundrum where you want control of everything and

00:19:23   you're not a good delegator and manager. I think I've figured that out in most instances. The thing that

00:19:29   I still can't delegate and I probably will never be able to is my writing because that's ultimately

00:19:34   what I think I bring to the table. And that's the one thing that I think I'm really pretty good

00:19:40   at. I'm not good at almost anything else. And so that's why I've hired that stuff out to people that

00:19:46   can do it more efficiently and more effectively than I can. But I don't have illusions of grandeur. And I think

00:19:53   that's where a lot of YouTubers and small business people in general, there is this mindset that you have to

00:19:59   keep growing, that things have to get bigger and bigger and bigger. And I would suggest that they don't. My audience

00:20:05   size has not appreciably grown in the last five years, but my revenue is greater than it's ever

00:20:11   been. My audience retention is fantastic. It's working good. And so why work for more if you don't

00:20:18   need more and if that takes more out of you? That's not my goal. And YouTube is not my legacy. I'm proud

00:20:25   of it. I think the stuff we make is good. And there's a bunch of stuff that I don't do because I think that

00:20:31   YouTubers that do or sell out. So I have my own bit of arrogance and pride, I suppose. But my life is

00:20:38   not defined by being a YouTuber. I want to be a good dad and a good husband. And that takes priority over

00:20:44   everything else.

00:20:44   Do you think that was the answer you would have given 18 months ago?

00:20:48   Probably, honestly. Yeah. Because I was already a husband then and it just, family has always been

00:20:54   so important to me that work is a means to an end rather than a kind of primary driver. But I say that

00:21:01   as a small business owner, if that were really true, well, I would just clock in and clock out and get my

00:21:06   paycheck. And I don't. So there is absolutely an element of kind of pride and wanting to change.

00:21:13   Yeah, of course. And we're proud of the stuff we put out. And there's nothing better than meeting

00:21:17   someone who's a fan that goes, I saw your video about home networking and I redid the whole thing

00:21:23   and I didn't pay anybody anything, even though I had quotes that were $5,000 to retrofit my house.

00:21:27   That's awesome. As the kind of impetus to get someone to do a cool thing. But yeah, it's not

00:21:34   everything. And I think that a lot of people that get in the, especially in the creator mindset,

00:21:39   it is. Like that's the goal. And just for me, it isn't and hasn't ever been.

00:21:45   Yeah, I think I'm still working on that balance. You know, I've been doing this for a similar amount

00:21:50   of time that you have, like 16 years. And I'm going into my 12th professionally, I think. And so

00:21:59   similarly, like to your path, right? Like I spent a lot of time kind of just like sacrificing every

00:22:03   personal relationship that I have, because what else are you supposed to do if you want

00:22:06   to produce content? You've got to find time to put it in somewhere when you're working a

00:22:10   regular job. And I think I kind of got myself into that mode for a long time. And I've been

00:22:16   also working over years to try and break some of those habits. But I definitely do sit now

00:22:22   at this point where there is a part of me that's like the most important thing is being the best

00:22:29   member of my family that I can be to everybody within it. But I absolutely still have the,

00:22:36   but I also want to be the best content creator that I can be.

00:22:41   And I oscillate between these two things. And I am absolutely aware of the fact that leaning towards

00:22:50   one or the other sacrifices the other one. There isn't really an answer for it. And I also think

00:22:58   balancing those two things doesn't work.

00:23:01   Yeah, not easy.

00:23:03   Work-life balance, I think you can find where like you're doing enough work and enough life.

00:23:08   But the idea of like, if I want to be the best dad I can possibly be, it takes away from my ability

00:23:16   to be the best content creator that I want to be. And like, and I just, I'm not sure that like a pure

00:23:21   balance between those two things, like all the time really works. And I'm trying to find,

00:23:26   all right, on these days, I will be the best dad I can be. And on these days, I will be the best

00:23:32   content creator that I can be. And that's working a little bit better for me than trying to find like

00:23:37   a strict balance to it every day.

00:23:39   Well, I think that's a good way to do it. If anything, I think you just have to,

00:23:43   and this is what I have had to do, is reframe what it means to be best. Is that an objective

00:23:49   measure? Is that subjective? I think that the videos we produce are unlike anybody else's videos

00:23:57   on YouTube, for good and for bad. But that by virtue has made it a measurable success against itself.

00:24:08   And so I don't have to compare, well, you know, my monthly view count is nothing compared to Marquez.

00:24:13   And it sounds like false modesty. It makes some people annoyed in my life when I say it, but it's

00:24:18   not. It's genuinely true. I am not a big content creator in the grand scheme of things. I am maybe

00:24:24   the largest small tech creator on YouTube. I do it profitably. It is my job. It is a career for

00:24:33   multiple people. And so I recognize the uniqueness and privilege that comes from that. That's not

00:24:39   normal. However, you know, my monthly viewership is one 70th that of Marquez's. It's diminutive,

00:24:46   it's minuscule. And so when you look at his team size, or when you look at, you know, the machines that

00:24:53   other people are running, you have to kind of put yourself in a check and go like, well, it's unrealistic

00:24:58   to try to do things the way that some of my peers do. Austin, I mean, Austin is a much smaller

00:25:03   YouTuber than Marquez. And Austin still does, I think, 15 times the number of views that I do per

00:25:07   month. It's not even close. But it's funny, because I've been doing this so long that Marquez and

00:25:12   Austin, they are my peers. Yeah. And so I kind of rub shoulders with them, even though I really don't

00:25:18   deserve to be there, other than the fact that I've been doing this for a very, very long time.

00:25:21   Quinn, try being the podcaster in those conversations. Right? So like, you guys are

00:25:26   like my peers too, right? Like you and Austin are good friends of mine. Sure. But like,

00:25:31   the YouTuber numbers and the podcaster numbers, big gap. Yeah, but value per listener is higher than

00:25:39   value per viewer. You know, you got yourself some fly. But that's what I mean is I think if your

00:25:43   metric of success is comparing yourself to other people, you will never be good enough. Correct.

00:25:48   And so you have to redefine what success means to you. And my kind of barometer of success,

00:25:55   what means that I'm doing well is if my viewership is continuing to grow, albeit slowly. And if I feel

00:26:04   that my videos are entirely unique, they can't be replaced by another creator's videos. And that's

00:26:09   what mattered to me, is being different than anything else out there. And I know that that's

00:26:14   not going to appeal to everybody, but that has made me the best at the very weird niche thing that I do.

00:26:20   And that's success enough for me to be complacent and to just work on the little things at getting

00:26:26   stuff slightly bigger and bigger rather than trying to reinvent myself or become the biggest creator

00:26:32   after I've been doing it for 17 years. Because if I try, I will fail.

00:26:36   When you came back to work after your parental leave was done, and you were considering yourself like,

00:26:41   okay, I'm back to this now. Were there parts of your workflow that started to break immediately?

00:26:49   Yeah. I really struggled with the writing element. That is a huge, not just time sink,

00:26:57   but it's a huge brain drain. And again, not to suggest that other people that do this are not

00:27:03   working as hard as me, because that's not true at all. But it's easier to look at a widget that you've

00:27:07   got in front of you and say like, okay, this is squared. These are the dimensions. Whereas I'm trying

00:27:12   to ideate an entertaining piece of kind of educational content about a subject. So I'm doing

00:27:17   tons of research, taking stuff that frankly, I'm not qualified to understand. Incredibly complex stuff

00:27:25   like silicon manufacturing and electrical engineering, and then trying to distill that down to something

00:27:31   that my dumb brain can understand, and then try to take that information and then write it into

00:27:35   something that's not just technical, but actually entertaining, that is compelling for someone to

00:27:41   watch for 15 to 25 minutes. It's a lot of work and it takes days to write a single script.

00:27:46   And I used to be able to just get into the zone and knock it out. No problem. Cause I could just sit

00:27:51   down and go, okay, for eight hours uninterrupted, I'm going to do this. It's my one day a week where

00:27:56   I'm probably not going to get home until 10 PM, but that's okay. Cause I'm going to get it done.

00:28:00   And once you're in the zone, it's easier to do. And now I have to break that up because I want to be

00:28:05   home when it's time to be home, but also I'm tired. And my brain, I don't think has since recovered the

00:28:13   full capacity operationally that I had before. So that's been tricky.

00:28:17   Yeah. The thing that you need to do to be the most creative is difficult. Like for me, the thing that

00:28:23   I have struggled with more, cause where I don't write, I do a lot of preparation, a little reading,

00:28:27   writing, show notes and stuff like that. But that just inherently, because of the way that my content

00:28:33   works can be broken up quite nicely into segments and chunks, the biggest thing for me has been the

00:28:39   presenting. Like that has been the thing that I have struggled with the most because there are days

00:28:46   where I feel like I can't string sentences together correctly. And I am now going to sit and talk for

00:28:54   two hours to someone who's not at that level. They're feeling fine. And I have to try and hold a

00:29:00   conversation. I have to try to be engaged. I can't be distracted. Like that is what I have found to be

00:29:05   the most complicated, but it's a similar thing of like your body has a different demands on it and

00:29:11   your attention and time and your sleep and your focus has changed, but you still have to go back

00:29:18   to doing what you were before. Cause that is what is expected, I guess.

00:29:21   What I will say of my videos, and I think this helps me particularly is they are fully scripted.

00:29:26   I read every single word off of a teleprompter. Now, when I've written the video, which I do,

00:29:31   I will oftentimes take kind of unscripted deviations, but in general, I would say a published

00:29:37   snazzy labs video is 95% as written. And so when I'm on camera presenting for me, it's quite easy

00:29:45   because I'm just reading the words I've already written. And I've been doing this long enough

00:29:48   that even if I'm exhausted and I don't feel very good and I'm hungry, I can fake it pretty good.

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00:32:01   show and relay. This time is a lot about prioritizing, you know, working out what's important, what's not,

00:32:07   how to handle the things, and what order to handle them in. Yeah. Are there types of work now that

00:32:13   you're less willing to do than you were before? Oh, 100%. Almost everything. Okay. Yeah. One of the

00:32:22   reasons I'm hiring a executive assistant is that there is so much of my day-to-day. It's important,

00:32:29   but it doesn't need to be done by me. And like the other things that I've hired out could probably be

00:32:36   done better by somebody else. And so I still do all of my own bookkeeping. I run payroll and I am not good

00:32:44   at it and it takes me way too much time. And I have found someone that can do those things better

00:32:50   than me, probably more efficiently. And that's the thing that I think if you heard, oh yeah, I'm a

00:32:57   YouTuber and my team consists of one guy that makes the videos and I kind of help him. And then there's

00:33:02   two people that help with, you know, ad sales and then doing all the business stuff that I don't want

00:33:09   to do. It sounds like, bro, hire more video people or, and that's normally what you hear. I listened

00:33:14   to your episode with Marquez and Marquez is still doing, to my knowledge, a lot of the kind of

00:33:21   administrative stuff that I have no interest in doing. And it's because Marquez is good at it.

00:33:26   And I think that he wants control over that thing, but he's hired out an enormous team of people

00:33:31   involving production. And you look at an MKBHD video and it shows, I mean, it's production value is

00:33:36   amazing, but I'm hiring out what I know to be my deficiencies and weaknesses rather than trying

00:33:43   to expand, if that makes sense. And so my goal is by the end of the year to be able to increase our

00:33:52   video volume. My goal is to hire two more people and then kind of, that's, I think my ideal team size

00:33:57   be done. Both of those people will be production related. One of them will be more of a kind of

00:34:03   researcher kind of preparatory role than real writing, I think. But that'll get me to the

00:34:08   point where I can do what I know I'm good at and then not have to do the stuff that I don't want to

00:34:16   do. And because I can afford to do that, it doesn't mean that the company will continue to grow and

00:34:21   revenue will 3X. I might actually, at the end of the year, be making less money than I have

00:34:26   historically. But if it means that I can do less and be happier, then it's worth it. And that's the

00:34:33   thing that I think has been the most eye-opening is all the stuff that I thought I had to do,

00:34:37   I don't. Turns out there's a lot of really skilled people in the world that can do stuff

00:34:42   generally better than you think you can.

00:34:44   We've been talking a little bit about the amount of work that you're putting out.

00:34:47   Yeah.

00:34:47   And I wonder what your focus is on it. Do you have stages where you think like you should do

00:34:53   more than you're doing, but you struggle with that? Do you feel like you should be doing

00:34:57   less than you've been doing? You know, like, do you go through periods of feeling like I want to make

00:35:03   more or I want to generate more revenue? Or do you have that kind of balance?

00:35:07   Yeah. I think everybody goes through waves of that and has to. I mean, that's the basis for

00:35:12   the famous kind of YouTuber burnout where, you know, you have YouTubers that do stuff for 10 years

00:35:18   and then they just quit. And on the one hand, you have a bunch of people who work jobs, they're

00:35:23   software developers, they're teachers, they're researchers, they're what have you. And they're

00:35:28   like, why? Like, that's just called a job. I do it every day. I don't get to go take several

00:35:34   months off. And I think that both things can be true where one creators are on one hand,

00:35:40   a little dramatic and entitled and not really tuned into the real world. On the other hand,

00:35:46   it is a machine. You can't take a week off and do something else. You've got to keep the machine going.

00:35:53   And what I will say is I think that, and you can probably back me up on this, it gets easier to do

00:36:02   content, the more that you're in the zone doing content and that content is performing well.

00:36:07   And so I think one of the easiest ways to atrophy and feel burnt out is to step off the gas.

00:36:14   Because then you take a breath and you're like, holy crap, I'm tired. And if you don't ever let

00:36:20   yourself feel that, then you can just keep going perpetually until you, you know, I don't know,

00:36:23   explode or you blow it. And I will say that it's not even just from a work volume standpoint,

00:36:29   but to give you an example, 2025 was a really hard year financially because many of our clients,

00:36:36   and to give a brief explainer, most YouTubers are not making money from YouTube. Like Google does not

00:36:44   pay anything. So I would say 85% of our annual revenue comes from our sponsors. So this video is

00:36:51   sponsored by Squarespace or the typical kind of transitions. That's where the money is. And many of

00:36:57   our clients because I'm in tech are Chinese. And last year was really hard with all the tariff stuff

00:37:03   because there was so much uncertainty about, we don't know if we're going to be able to sell. We

00:37:08   don't know what the prices are going to be that everybody just kind of backed off. And so going

00:37:11   into quarter four, we were in the red, we had lost money over 2025. And I was starting to kind of freak

00:37:19   out because I'm a dad now. I have more things to be responsible for. I have employees. I've got to pay

00:37:25   payroll every two weeks and there's got to be money to pay that. And I've never really had to worry about

00:37:30   it until last year where my bank balances were as low as they've ever been. It was starting to get

00:37:35   uncomfortable. And it wasn't for lack of trying. It was just that there was no money to be had.

00:37:40   Well, quarter four kind of turned around with the stay on tariffs. And then I think with the holiday

00:37:45   season, 75% of our revenue annually comes from quarter four anyway. It's a big deal.

00:37:49   And that's why the whole like tech-tober, tech-tember that you always hear from YouTubers,

00:37:54   one of the reasons why they say that is because yes, that's when all the new device releases are,

00:37:59   but that's also when all the money is spent. So that's when you have to do all the work because

00:38:04   of the holiday season and driving, you know, sales and conversions for Christmas and the holidays.

00:38:09   But quarter four came around and I just started saying yes to probably more things than I should have

00:38:14   because we needed money. And I oversold the inventory that I had available. And so I did have

00:38:23   a bad kind of employer and bad dad and husband moment in the month of November because we worked

00:38:29   like crazy. Don't worry. I gave bonuses to all the employees involved that were very generous,

00:38:35   I think. But it was a lot of work. And on the one hand, we finished it and we were exhausted.

00:38:40   But on the other hand, it was a lot of fun because we were making so much content volume.

00:38:45   Fans and viewers of the channel were so excited to see video after video. And because we were in

00:38:51   the groove, because we were in the rhythm, each video was just, it was hitting so good. Like

00:38:55   Marques talked about it in his episode. He said like, oh, you'll, you'll see a nine out of 10 or a 10

00:39:00   out of 10. YouTube ranks on a scale of one to 10, how videos are performing relative to other videos

00:39:05   historically in your catalog. And a one out of 10, despite what you might think is the best one.

00:39:10   That means it's outperforming everything else that it can be compared to. And during the month of

00:39:15   November, I think we had eight videos that we published. I think four of them are one out of

00:39:19   10s and the other four were two or threes. And that was only because they were being compared to

00:39:24   the other one out of 10s. So my viewership in November was five or six X what it typically is

00:39:31   month to month. And that made it so fun to write. And if you look at the style of writing in my videos,

00:39:37   like I was in the zone, but it was unsustainable because I didn't see my wife and I wasn't home.

00:39:42   And so that's what I'm trying to figure out is I think that I have in some ways selfishly wanted to

00:39:49   have more control than I really ought to have over every facet of the business. And also I think that

00:39:56   I've told myself that I'm complacent with the lack of growth when in reality, I still would like to

00:40:03   have growth. I would like for it to be more successful. And so the thing that I'm going to

00:40:07   try, and if it works great, and if it doesn't, well then okay, is to try and increase the video volume by

00:40:14   way of bringing on other people. It's not sustainable for me and Benjamin, my production lead to do more.

00:40:20   We can't. We're tapped out. But maybe if we add one or two more people, we can increase the volume

00:40:25   flow to where I think is a good amount of volume, which is 1.5 videos per week, I think is about the

00:40:33   best publishing cadence. You have two one week, you have one the other. We'll see.

00:40:37   But that's still staying way smaller. Again, at the beginning of the episode, even at that level,

00:40:44   you're still much smaller than comparative YouTube channels.

00:40:47   100%. I mean, look at Marques, look at Linus. I mean, they're both very, very successful. But I

00:40:53   also know that both of them, and I say this in the nicest way possible because I wish I had this,

00:40:59   they are freaks in the sense that they work so hard and they never stop working. And the amount of

00:41:07   contact they have with every single facet of their business is mind-blowing. I do not know how they do it.

00:41:12   It's superhuman. And I just, I don't have the motivation or desire or skill set to do any of that.

00:41:17   And so why try?

00:41:18   Well, I think even if you had it, it sounds like you wouldn't be happy with that in this mode of your life

00:41:23   anyway. Like it's not what you're looking for.

00:41:25   No. And because I know that both of those guys, and it's not just them, it's a lot of YouTubers,

00:41:30   there is no 40-hour work week for content creators. Like you're working 50 or 60 or 70 or 80 hours a week.

00:41:36   And I actually pretty much do have a 40-hour work week. And it's awesome. And I don't have

00:41:42   illusions of grandeur. I don't think that I'm going to become the next huge phenom on YouTube,

00:41:46   but that's okay. I'm past that. And I'm really happy with what I have now. And I hope that I'm

00:41:51   still receptive enough to market changes that I don't become so complacent that the world passes me by.

00:41:56   And I think that over the last three, four years, I've demonstrated that I can kind of reinvent myself

00:42:02   when needed to, to keep interest high and to keep things going.

00:42:06   Are there things that you were doing from like a systems perspective,

00:42:10   apps or tools that you were using that just don't work anymore? Like if you had to

00:42:14   rethink anything or use new tools to try and help you manage your work more effectively?

00:42:21   Yeah. Notion has been the sword by which we live or die for good and bad. I'm going to say what

00:42:27   Marquez said where Marquez goes, yeah, I'm the one that manages the notion, even though I probably

00:42:31   shouldn't. I kind of do the same. We are in a weird situation where of the four team members at

00:42:39   Snazzy Labs, two of them are fully remote. Now, one of them is fully remote, 10 minutes away from the

00:42:44   office, but she never comes in because she doesn't need to. The other one is truly not even

00:42:51   in the state of Utah. So there needs to be some sort of communication between all of these parties

00:42:59   because otherwise it falls apart. And there is enough contact between all groups that there needs

00:43:05   to be some sort of shared platform. However, I kind of am the conduit. I'm the means to the end for both

00:43:12   sides. There's the business side and then there's the production side. And the business side does need

00:43:17   to talk to the production side sometimes, but pretty rarely. However, both sides need to talk to me every

00:43:22   single day. And so Notion has been the one place where we can kind of link everybody together. But it has

00:43:28   been hard because on the production side, the production lead is not, frankly, very good at updating the

00:43:34   Notion because I think in his head he's like, well, why? Like, you're here and like, but it's not for me.

00:43:41   It's for the other people that are involved in the kind of process.

00:43:44   Well, my experience is nobody's that great at updating the Notion.

00:43:47   Yeah. And most people build out their databases to be so tedious as to like, make it like a project.

00:43:53   And that's one thing that we were super conscientious of. And we cut a bunch of stuff

00:43:57   out of our Notion because we're like, we don't want Notion to be like, we're doing it so that the

00:44:03   Notion can be actualized. Like it needs to be done so that we can know where we're all at.

00:44:07   And no matter how that gets done, even if it's not the prettiest thing ever, let's do it.

00:44:11   And so we've drastically simplified how Notion works. And then frankly, we are using more and

00:44:17   more iMessage where we'll just text each other and be like, yo, we need this right now. I'll be like,

00:44:21   okay. And rather than ping me in Spark or rather than upload the PDF to Notion and say, here's the PDF,

00:44:28   Quinn, please sign it. My admin assistant can just go, hey, I need you to sign this PDF. And then I just

00:44:33   search for it in Spark and it's just as quick and it saves everybody time and we get the thing done.

00:44:37   And so we use tools to help us save time, but also at the end of the day,

00:44:41   we communicate however we need to, to get things finished. Now, having said that,

00:44:45   we would be in bad shape without a Notion because I can go into a dashboard where I can go in and see,

00:44:50   okay, these are our current sponsors. These are sponsors that we're negotiating with. These are

00:44:54   ones under contract. This one was finished 45 days ago. They still haven't paid what's going on there.

00:44:59   And so without that, it would be a disaster. However, we've gone from performative Notion,

00:45:05   which I think many Notion instances are where you do it for the love of the Notion to like what's

00:45:11   functional and what works for us. And so it's pretty lean. And then we just fill in everything else by

00:45:16   just talking to each other and asking each other to get the things done that we need done. And it works

00:45:20   out well. Have you changed how much time you're spending in the office?

00:45:24   Yes and no. I would still say on the whole, I'm working nine to five, but realistically,

00:45:29   I'm probably in office most days from 11 to five, where one of the things that I've determined is

00:45:37   important to me is I'll wake up in the morning when my daughter wakes up and starts crying.

00:45:41   My wife is usually, she's not a good sleeper in general, and she's a mom. Being a mom is the

00:45:47   hardest job in the world. And so she, by the end of the day, she's exhausted. And so I've been waking

00:45:51   up in the morning and I'll go get the baby and I change her and I play with her for a little bit.

00:45:55   And that's like 45 minutes to an hour of time that I can spend with her. And it's just me and her and

00:46:00   it's awesome. And I love it. And I would not change it for anything in the world. And then I'll typically

00:46:05   do one or two hours worth of kind of the more menial stuff that I need to get done, payroll, checking

00:46:12   email calendar stuff, just from home at the dining room table with my wife and daughter in the background.

00:46:18   And to say that it's like a super productive hour or two would be a lie. It's not, but I'm with my

00:46:24   girls and like, that's what I want to do. And then when I get to work, then I come here and I put my head

00:46:29   down and I get stuff done. But my kind of active hours, I would say are roughly the same, but the amount

00:46:35   of focus I have during each individual segment of the day is different. Conversely, you go back a year

00:46:42   and a half ago and there were times at the office where I just sit at my desk for two hours and I'm

00:46:46   like, I'm going to play around with this and see if I can figure this out so that I can maybe do a

00:46:49   video about it. And I'm like, oh, I don't have time to do that. We got to do this and this and this.

00:46:52   I would suggest that anybody who says like, oh, I don't have time to do anything like it. No, it's just

00:46:58   the way you've prioritized to use your time is different. And if you were really honest with

00:47:04   yourself, you would probably find inefficiencies in the day that you could eliminate and or be

00:47:09   complacent that they exist. And so there are absolutely inefficiencies in my day and I'm

00:47:13   great with them. Like, that's awesome. And when I need to be productive and put my head down and

00:47:18   don't talk to me, I'm working on something and I can get that done. And that was always a small

00:47:23   part of my day anyways. And it still is. When you are at home, how is your intentionality? Are you good

00:47:31   staying focused on being present in the moment or do you get distracted? I mean, if it makes you feel

00:47:38   any better, I will say this is something I'm not as good at as I would want to be. Like I get distracted,

00:47:43   I start thinking about work, I might be checking something, you know, and I find myself in moments

00:47:50   where I realize I'm not paying as much attention as I would like to be. And it's, this has been something

00:47:55   I've been working on for years. It's now more important to me than it's been before and I'm

00:48:01   trying to get better at it, but I've definitely got work to go. How are you with this stuff?

00:48:05   I could definitely improve. I think I'm better than I was probably six months ago, but my wife,

00:48:12   and she's amazing, holy smokes, I do not deserve her because she never tells me what to do. She will just

00:48:19   do a thing on her own. And by proxy, it makes me go, Oh, I should be doing that too. And so she got

00:48:29   one of those like brick things where you scan the NFC tag on your phone and it locks you out all of your

00:48:34   social media. So she does that every day in the morning because she's with our daughter all day

00:48:39   long. And she was like, I was noticing that, you know, when she was playing with toys, I would get on

00:48:45   Instagram for 10 minutes and I'm like, okay, that's fine. Like you're with her all day long.

00:48:50   And like anybody who has a baby knows that like, there is no off button on a baby. Like they're

00:48:55   always crawling around. They're always doing something. Like I come home, I'm with my baby from,

00:48:59   you know, five to seven most weeknights and I'm exhausted by the end of those two hours. And my wife

00:49:04   does it for 10 hours a day, but she was like, I want to be more present. So I'm going to block my social

00:49:10   media out and I had seen her doing that. And I noticed while she was no longer on her phone,

00:49:15   but I still am. I have it in my hand. I don't need that at all. Like, why is this here? Is this

00:49:20   bringing me greater joy than what I'm doing with my kid and with my wife? So I have tried to,

00:49:26   and I'm not bulletproof at it, but I have tried to just put my phone in the kitchen. So like when I'm

00:49:31   home with my daughter and with my wife, it's just, my phone is not near me. I have not been very good

00:49:36   at wearing an Apple watch lately, which is actually awesome because there are things that are quote

00:49:41   unquote important that I miss because they're not that important. They can wait an hour, they can

00:49:46   wait two hours. And then once my daughter goes to bed, then my wife and I will, you know, she'll watch

00:49:51   TikTok and I'll do some kind of remainder emails. And then we spend some time with each other before we

00:49:55   go to bed. And so I still suck at it compared to my wife and I hope to be way better in the next six

00:50:01   months. But that's kind of been my main goal is when I'm present, be present.

00:50:05   I've been heavily targeted ads wise by brick recently. Yeah.

00:50:09   The ad I find kind of annoying. It's like an ad from a camera taken down low, looking up at a parent

00:50:15   using their phone and be like, is this how you want to be remembered by your child? I'm like,

00:50:20   all right, gang, let's calm down a little bit. Just relax.

00:50:23   Okay. Yeah.

00:50:24   But I bought one of those a long time ago just because I was interested in seeing how it worked

00:50:28   maybe like nearly two years ago. It's just like clever. And I know enough about screen

00:50:33   time and MDM stuff. And really, it's not what I would want to do to my phone. What I did was I

00:50:38   removed pretty much all social media from my iPhone and got a second phone and made that my work phone

00:50:43   that works for me for this stuff. So I spend significantly less time on it than I did before.

00:50:50   But my biggest issue really, it's not social media that's pulling me away. It's work that's pulling me

00:50:55   away. And one of the problems that I have is I can't work a nine to five because everybody that

00:51:03   I work with, their nine to five is a different nine to five to mine. And so that's where I'm still

00:51:08   struggling, where there are people that would like my attention at different times. I'm still working

00:51:15   my way through it. Like, you know, I've now started my work day a little bit later because no one needs

00:51:20   me early in the morning. And I'm trying to do the majority of my work when I'm in my office. But I'm

00:51:27   not coming to the office five days. I'm coming to the office three or four days a week, depending on

00:51:33   what I've got going on. And then when I'm at home, I'm trying to help out more, be more present, and then

00:51:40   try and squeeze in work when the baby's asleep.

00:51:42   If that's the way that it works, that's the way that it works. That's a good thing. I haven't even thought

00:51:46   about that at all. I mean, even this call that I'm on with you right now, it started at nine. So I'm

00:51:50   like, okay, which is a little earlier than what I would normally come to the office at, but it's still

00:51:55   within my kind of predetermined work hours. And so it works. It's easy. It's a hard thing to balance,

00:52:00   but I think you're doing good.

00:52:02   Oh, thank you.

00:52:03   Based on what you've explained to me, you're clearly a very good dad and a very good husband. And we're

00:52:07   both kind of just chopping away at making it a little better. Yeah. And that's the best you can do.

00:52:13   That's the other thing that I'll say. There are so many people, especially in the productivity

00:52:16   space that beat themselves up about like, I should be more optimized. I can do better than this.

00:52:20   And at the end of the day, it's like, we're all people and nobody's perfect. And it's all about

00:52:25   improving and being better. And it's also okay to have a bad day or a bad week or be off. And that's

00:52:33   just part of being human. And work is the thing that provides me the life that I want rather than life

00:52:39   being what provides me the work that I want. And I'm lucky enough to have both. I recognize that

00:52:43   that's like pretty privileged and not most people have that opportunity. And what I will say is had

00:52:49   I not gone through that kind of quote unquote grind era, I would not be where I am. Like, I don't think

00:52:55   I could build what I have now without having done that. So I recognize that it's like, it's part of the

00:53:00   process. However, where I am at my life at this point in time, like if I didn't have what I have now,

00:53:07   I wouldn't try to start it. I'm past that.

00:53:09   We think very similarly with this kind of stuff where I absolutely realize that I'm only here

00:53:15   because of all the sacrifice that I put in. It's not something I would have the ability to do today

00:53:21   or the desire to do today to grind in that way. And now I'm very happy with the audience that I have,

00:53:28   and I'm very grateful for them. And I would just like them all to stay around. That's kind of ideally

00:53:33   what I'm looking for. I'm not looking to be the next big thing. It was not where I want to be

00:53:38   anymore. Yep. Same here. Have you found any new meaning for your work?

00:53:44   No, I don't think so. Because my kind of overarching goal has always been make entertaining content that

00:53:53   can educate and can inform. And I don't think that's changed much. And I don't think changing the

00:54:02   size of my family or having my family really changes that either, because I have always been

00:54:07   so focused on learning and understanding why things are the way that they are. And I think way too many

00:54:13   people are complacent with just being like, oh, okay, sure. That's how a thing works. And you're like,

00:54:17   but don't you want to know why? And so that's kind of always been my MO, just to be curious. I don't think

00:54:23   that's kind of changed much at all, for good and bad.

00:54:26   Yeah, you see, I definitely feel like I've fallen into the place where I'm aware of what I can bring

00:54:33   to my family. And then when I work hard, what it can make sure that we have. Like, I'm very aware of that.

00:54:42   And I think about that a lot. Then in turn, I'm grateful for being in the position that I'm in.

00:54:48   Yeah.

00:54:48   Partly because it then helps me to reconcile with the fact that I'm not there as much as I want to be.

00:54:55   Yeah, that's fair. My wife will always say to me, and she's been saying it more and more lately,

00:54:59   she'll just say, you know, I'm really grateful for you, right? And like all of the work that I

00:55:04   recognize you put in for the family and the work, and I know it's like hard balancing the two. And on the

00:55:09   one hand, I'm very grateful. But on the other hand, I'm like, is this what you got to do?

00:55:12   I'm like, you do the same thing in your domain. And like, I hope that I'm grateful to her in

00:55:18   vocalizing that because I absolutely am. But like, it's good to thank people for those things. But I'm

00:55:23   also kind of like, yeah, well, what do you expect? Like, this is what we've got to do. So I'm just

00:55:27   going to do it.

00:55:27   But it's always nice to hear it.

00:55:29   Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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00:57:25   maybe the things that they're not aware of about themselves and what they prioritize by looking at

00:57:30   their home screens. So I asked you to share your home screen with me and I asked some questions about

00:57:35   your home screen. Okay. Well, first off, I wanted to just note that the Rivian widget that you have

00:57:41   at the top of your home screen looks really nice. Handsome, right? Yeah. Is their app as good as this

00:57:47   appears? It's very beautiful. My main complaint with the Rivian app is that, so the tap targets are very

00:57:55   large, which is nice because like it's a key and you've got your hands full and when you need to go

00:57:59   into the app, which shouldn't be that often, it's nice to have big, huge buttons and the buttons are

00:58:02   huge. But on the flip side, there is very little information density. Right. And I do like the Tesla

00:58:07   kind of has their quick five, six buttons you can hit at the tap of a thumb and I've kind of go like

00:58:12   scroll, scroll, tap. But it is, it's visually gorgeous. It does not look like an iOS or Android

00:58:17   app at all. It's like its own thing. But yeah, the widget's awesome. I leave it there because it's a live

00:58:22   activities widget. So you can just tap it and then it does its own thing in the background. Doesn't launch

00:58:26   the app or anything, which is great. That's nice. So like climate precondition and it's warm when I get in the

00:58:31   car. Love it. I'm hopeful that their push into making slightly smaller vehicles is their beginnings

00:58:39   of thinking that they will leave America, come to Europe. Right. Like not just be an American car

00:58:45   company because the, is it the R3, their little one? That car excites me. I like that one. It's sick. I

00:58:53   want that too. They did say, I saw some stuff this morning about the R2. They've redesigned the hood

00:58:58   so that it matches like pedestrian collision requirements for the EU because they did say

00:59:04   they are intending to ship the R2 to Europe and there will be markets in which it's desired,

00:59:09   but the R2 is still quite large. Well, I think it's similar-ish in size to the Model Y, right?

00:59:16   It's bigger because it's so much taller. Yeah. It's pretty close to the Model X actually.

00:59:22   Height isn't so much of an issue here, like say in London. Yeah.

00:59:25   But it's footprint. Yeah. Because our roads are small. Sure. So as long as it can fit in our lanes,

00:59:31   it's fine. Like the R1 would not work here at all. Like it just wouldn't. You couldn't drive that

00:59:35   thing around. No. It's big. Big, big, big car. But I'm hopeful that these other ones would enable

00:59:38   them to come here because it looks nice. Yeah. And everything I know and all the people I know that

00:59:42   have Rivians, they speak really highly of it. They're fantastic cars. Yep. You are the first person I've

00:59:48   seen with the Apple Passwords app on their home screen. Yeah. And I'm just intrigued for like,

00:59:54   what do you need that on your home screen for? Well, I still need sometimes to get like OTPs

01:00:02   because we do stuff all the time with a bunch of gadgets here. And I'll often log into like my

01:00:08   accounts to download a piece of software or to get a license key or whatever. And it's not always a Mac.

01:00:13   Sometimes it's a PC. Sometimes it's something else. And rather than going through the whole

01:00:16   song and dance and being like, I'm going to install the Passwords Chrome extension onto

01:00:20   this Windows laptop, or I'm going to download one password where I moved from, I just keep it on my

01:00:24   screen. And if I need to type in a password and raw text, I will. But it's frequent enough that I

01:00:28   have it there. It's for manual entry when that needs to happen, which is a few times a week.

01:00:33   What is Chore Clock?

01:00:34   That is an app that I am actively developing. That hideous icon will change before launch.

01:00:41   That's an AI generated one. But I have been very much enjoying some vibe coding.

01:00:45   Okay.

01:00:46   I have two apps that I've developed. I say that in air quotes because I've probably only written

01:00:52   30 lines of code total. But yes, the idea is, I think you guys have talked about this or Federico

01:00:58   definitely has. There's an app called When Did I? It's this idea of like, when was the last time I did

01:01:02   a thing?

01:01:03   Yeah.

01:01:03   So it's not something that's important enough to go into your to-do list or into your calendar.

01:01:07   When did I change the furnace filter or whatever? There are several apps in this category. I used

01:01:13   When Did I for a couple of years. I think they're all terrible. And so I have developed my own that

01:01:20   kind of elevates what that app is because there are a lot of things that I don't think are important

01:01:26   enough to be in a to-do list because to-dos I treat as something that like actively needs to be done

01:01:30   and something that needs to be done sometime this month. Like that's not a to-do. That's like a

01:01:35   checklist item. So this app will consist of like, when was the last time I did stuff, but also have

01:01:41   chores constituted in like time zones. So like you need to do this within the next couple of weeks

01:01:46   rather than like a specific day or whatever. And then the last thing it will do, which I wish

01:01:51   more task-based apps did. And this will sound like a crazy person thing to you probably, but there are

01:01:59   a lot of things that like I need to be reminded of that I don't want as reminders. So like take the

01:02:03   trash out. That's something that I need to do every Monday night because the trash comes Tuesday morning.

01:02:08   I used to put it in my to-do list, but then what would end up happening is because I have enough

01:02:15   things in to-do list and there's enough categories within to-do list, I'd like get into my to-do list.

01:02:19   I'm like, oh, the last three times I was supposed to check off, take out the garbage, I didn't.

01:02:23   So I have three weeks worth of the take out the garbage recurring notifications. So the thing that

01:02:30   I've implemented into this app, I'm calling presumed completion. So this idea that like it sends you the

01:02:35   notification and then if you didn't interact with it, well, it's just going to assume you did it

01:02:41   because the trash comes Tuesday morning and I either did or did not take it out. It doesn't

01:02:46   matter to me to check it off. There's no point in leaving it unchecked by next Thursday because

01:02:52   it's pointless now. I see. Yeah, that's an interesting idea. So by item, you'll be able to say,

01:02:56   hey, remind me of this, but if I don't check it off, just assume I did it. There's a couple other

01:03:01   things that I'm excited about, but it became, and this I think is true with a lot of people that

01:03:05   start vibe coding stuff. It became very complex. So I had a little bit of future bloat. I'm trying

01:03:10   to pare stuff down. And as a testing ground to kind of improve my own skills in UX design and all of

01:03:18   that stuff, I was like, okay, rather than try to do this right now, I'm just going to make a whole

01:03:23   separate app that's a lot easier. And that took me like, I don't know, four or five days and it's

01:03:28   already done and I have an icon and everything. It's a journaling app that doesn't suck because I've

01:03:32   been wanting to document my days with my daughter and funny things, but I've tried everything and

01:03:38   none of them are good. I think Apple journal is probably the closest one, but I still don't like

01:03:42   it. Day one. You'd like to try day one. I tried day one. The problem I had with day one as well,

01:03:47   and mine is probably the most similar to day one. I feel my main concern with all of them is they become

01:03:52   too scrapbooky. I'm like, I don't want to scrapbook. I want to just like put some stuff down and none of

01:03:58   them, I think make very good use of LLMs. I write all day long. And so I want to be able to type

01:04:05   something out, but sometimes I just want to ramble. And so one of the features is it's actually been a

01:04:10   lot of fun where I'll push the recording button and it uses, you can either choose to download a

01:04:16   whisper model or use Apple's local model for a speech to text. And then it actually goes to the

01:04:22   Apple foundation model on device to clean up that text and format it to then push to a cloud model.

01:04:29   So then it goes to, I have it going to Haiku 4.5 from Claude, but the cloud model will read your journal

01:04:37   entry. If you elect for it to do that, you can also do it through the private cloud compute, but Apple's

01:04:42   models are just not very powerful right now. I'm hoping that changes with the Gemini stuff, but Haiku

01:04:47   then responds with a couple of like follow-up questions because sometimes when I feel I'm

01:04:52   rambling, like I miss some stuff and it's looking for not as much like, how did this make you feel?

01:04:58   But more of like a, oh, you said you went to your grandma's 90th birthday party. Where was it? And so

01:05:04   it's asking more kind of like story building detail. And then you can respond and it will show in a nice

01:05:10   formatted journal entry. And then the other thing that I'm having it do that I was skeptical would work

01:05:14   well, but it's actually working great is it automatically pulls out kind of highlights that

01:05:20   it thinks you'll want to refer to later. And so there's your main journal screen, which is like,

01:05:25   here's all your journal entries by date, like all journal apps are. And then the highlights tab

01:05:29   is AI curated single liners that you have from your entries that are pretty funny. And I've been using it

01:05:36   for like three, four weeks now. And it's been fun tapping that tab where it'll like show you a picture

01:05:40   or it'll show me like a joke that I wrote down that I never told it to put that in the thing.

01:05:44   But like, that's the thing that it's recalling. It's pretty cool. And I'm going to make it free

01:05:48   because it took me five days to make and I didn't write any of the code.

01:05:51   That's the issue.

01:05:52   So it'll be free available to everybody.

01:05:54   Even then it's free. I mean, I don't know how you feel about this, but like, I think

01:05:58   part of the issue with these kind of new wave of software is how do you fix problems?

01:06:04   If people have issues with the app, like, do you know how to fix them?

01:06:08   Yep. That's a great question. And that's why for my real app, the chore clock one, I will probably

01:06:15   end up hiring a developer at the end and being like, can you clean up the slop and like a couple of the

01:06:21   things that I know it can't do. And maybe that's naive of me to think that that's possible. But I've

01:06:26   talked to a few developers that are like, yeah, that's possible. It's doable. So we'll see.

01:06:31   What I will say is for somebody who took a little bit of C sharp in high school and then

01:06:37   determined within probably two weeks of being in that class, like development is not for me. I'm

01:06:41   never going to be good at this. It actually has been fun kind of looking at Swift UI and trying to

01:06:46   relearn some stuff. I still suck at any level of coding, but I now feel like I'm pretty competent

01:06:52   working around Xcode and stuff. And it's been cool learning a new skill, even if it's kind of a

01:06:57   fraudulently acquired skill. Yeah. All the best skills, fraudulently acquired skills.

01:07:03   I've not seen Snapchat on anyone's home screen yet.

01:07:06   Yeah. Okay. So I've been using Snapchat since I was in high school. So I still talk to my wife and my

01:07:14   friends largely through Snapchat. Like we'll send each other goofy pictures or videos or yeah, there's

01:07:19   probably like five or six people that I send Snapchats to not every day, but almost. And it's

01:07:24   a terrible app. I mean, it just sucks, but it's one of those things where we're like, well, we use it.

01:07:30   And so what are we going to use instead? I mean, I guess like, there's nothing that we send that you

01:07:34   couldn't just send as an iMessage because at the end of the day, it's just like, it's always video

01:07:37   stuff, but it's kind of nice. Like I like that. It's not sent through iMessage because I like to keep

01:07:43   most of the media that's sent to me and that's just ballooning my iCloud size. And I don't want

01:07:49   a bunch of like stupid videos of squirrels that we send each other, but like, that's a great thing

01:07:53   for Snapchat where you watch it and that just is gone and you don't have to worry about it. And so

01:07:57   yeah, I am the weirdo boomer that still uses Snapchat, I guess.

01:08:01   And Narwhal, that's a Reddit app. I used to use this app a lot. I ended up kind of using Reddit less

01:08:08   and less over time, but do you spend a lot of time on Reddit? Are you using it for fun, for research,

01:08:13   for news? Like what is going on there too?

01:08:15   My local city subreddit is really great. So I'll use it for news and events like in my

01:08:21   neighborhood and stuff. And I live in a really fun part of Salt Lake City. I live in like the

01:08:26   historic district where a bunch of festivals and stuff happen. And so like, it's fun to be able to

01:08:30   see like, oh, what's going on? Or when traffic's horrible, I can open up Reddit and be like, oh,

01:08:34   that's why. So I use it a lot for that. And then also there are a number of communities that I kind

01:08:40   of like passively follow. When I develop a new interest or hobby, like there's always a subreddit.

01:08:46   So I'll often kind of go and add it and casually kind of look at stuff in there. So yeah, I don't

01:08:52   use it every single day, but I probably use it as much as most social media apps. And I don't like

01:08:59   Reddit as a platform. I don't like Reddit management, but it is pretty good at the thing that it's good

01:09:06   that. And I have not found anything like there's always a Reddit community and it's generally pretty

01:09:11   well indexed. And I still think forums are the best way to document and converse with people on the web.

01:09:16   Reddit, I think is secondary to that. I hate that so many communities and like documentation is moving

01:09:24   to discord. Don't put documentation on discord. Stop that. That's not a place to put like instructions

01:09:29   and manuals and, but everybody's doing that. And so whenever there's a Reddit community instead,

01:09:34   I will use that because it's just there forever. It's indexed by Google searches. You don't have to

01:09:39   like know keywords. Discord sucks. I hate it. So we've reached that point in the episode when I would like

01:09:44   to give you the opportunity to let our listeners know about things that you're excited about right

01:09:49   now. Is there anything that you're working on that you want to let people know about?

01:09:52   What would you like to promote? Yeah. It's something that has been in progress for quite

01:09:57   some time, has been put on pause and restarted many times. Nobody better steal my idea and do it before

01:10:03   me, but we have been working on putting an M4 Mac mini inside of a 3D printed and then a highly polished

01:10:13   clone of the Lumen case from Severance. Oh my gosh. So there was a reproduction keyboard that kind of

01:10:23   did a Kickstarter thing. They sent one for the video and then we've been working with a metal fab to

01:10:29   develop the stand and then the 3D print. It's a big, we wanted to make it full size. We're using a 13 inch

01:10:35   OLED where the display would be. And then we're even going to have like functional drive bays and stuff

01:10:42   too for like, it's going to be cool. Anyway, the 3D print is such a large 3D print that typically you'd

01:10:49   have to break it up into multiple slices and we'll create that for people because I do want to give

01:10:54   the files for free to any nutso that wants to do it. But I'm like, I need a bigger printer. So we got

01:10:59   this printer called the Soval Max 8, I think. And it is an enormous 3D printer. It is just colossally

01:11:06   huge. And it's big enough to print the shell all in one go. That's quite large. I think it's like 17

01:11:12   inches across. The problem with it is that 3D printers, if you think about the way that like

01:11:19   gantries and, you know, tolerances work over great distances, it's just your standard run of the mill

01:11:26   kind of core XY printer. And the larger the printer gets, the more noticeable the manufacturing

01:11:35   tolerance deficiencies. So it has taken quite some time to get something calibrated enough that we can

01:11:42   have kind of like a good first layer and have it build up and have it not jam because you still have

01:11:46   just a standard printhead, but it's this enormous printer. But that should be fun eventually. It's still

01:11:51   probably a couple months out, but we wanted to get it really polished. And then maybe even,

01:11:55   we're still trying to decide whether or not we make kits because like the stand is like stamped steel.

01:12:00   And we're like, technically, if people wanted to build one, we could make a few so that you could

01:12:05   like buy it kind of ready to go. You'd still have to do the printing, but all the other components and

01:12:10   hardware so that you don't have to source that yourself because it's kind of been a pain in the

01:12:13   butt. But then I'm also thinking to myself, that would be a pain in the butt for me.

01:12:17   That feels like a massive.

01:12:18   And it would be basically no money that I would make off of it. So I don't know that I care to do that.

01:12:23   But the reason I'm compelled to do it is there's so many amazing 3D printer projects like that,

01:12:29   where someone will be like, I made this thing. And you're like, holy crap, that's amazing. I'm going

01:12:32   to do it. And then the documentation sucks and they don't really tell you how to do it. And they're

01:12:36   like, yeah, use a screw here. And you're like, but what kind of screw and where? And by the time that

01:12:41   you decide to do it on your own, it's not worth doing, or you find that it looks really polished in

01:12:46   the unveil. And then when you start building it yourself, you're like, oh, this part doesn't fit,

01:12:51   or this was glued together. Or he doesn't mention about this not working at all, but it doesn't work.

01:12:55   Like what's the matter? And so that's why I'm like, it would be nice to have like a really polished kit

01:13:00   and be like, if you buy this and you have a printer, you will be able to make it.

01:13:04   I really hope that you enjoyed this show. I've been looking forward to talking to Quinn

01:13:08   about this stuff for months now. And I really hope that you like the different approach that

01:13:12   we took with this one. Now, while I tried to keep the specific parenting talk at a minimum in the

01:13:18   episode, I do think that maybe some parents or parents to be may actually want some product

01:13:23   recommendations from Quinn and I. So that's what more text is all about this time, a back and forth

01:13:29   list of the things that we have both been genuinely finding helpful in the last year.

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01:13:39   getmortex.com. All right. Thank you so much for listening. I'll see you next time.