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00:00:00 ◼   ► from relay this is connected episode 591 today's show is brought to you by century insta360 and fandera i'm your keynote chairman federico vittici and i'm joined as always by the annual chairman stephen hackett hello stephen hello sir hello hello we are the co-chairman duo the chairman

00:00:29 ◼   ► duo that's right it's all you need all you need in life are two chairmen that's right um but we are also joined by mike man of the people man of the people mike i'm just a regular guy just a pauper i'm just a boy i'm just a boy looking at the audience and asking them to love me you know that's me yeah whole thing they do love you we'll get into this but you could become a keynote chairman again very soon ah i don't know

00:00:59 ◼   ► we'll see we'll see about that we'll see uh we will get there though but first tell us uh the newest installment federico of what's happening at open claw

00:01:11 ◼   ► ah yes open claw is now owned not clear essentially the the creator of open claw peter steinberger has joined open ai and with peter open claw and it sounds to me like some of the core contributors to the team the project is now part of open ai and open ai has committed to keeping the project open source and open and independent

00:01:41 ◼   ► um but uh peter is now an open ai employee and it's not clear to me like the logistics of this like the deal the deal was not disclosed and it's not clear to me whether peter will actually work in the u.s or will work remotely uh i don't know but essentially open claw now an open ai project um and i just had a few thoughts to share about this um so over the past few days nothing has really changed in the sense that

00:02:11 ◼   ► open claw is still open claw is still open claw is still open claw is still open source and it's still you know you can use clawed uh or any other model with open claw they're not at least for now they're not forcing you to use um open ai models which i did by the way i did try open ai models with open claw they are terrible um uh and they have released updates over the past few days everything seems pretty normal but i had a few a few sort of high level comments on this just general comment with

00:02:41 ◼   ► be like it's an insanely good get for open ai and a fumble for anthropic uh purely from a pr and developer goodwill perspective i think this is a this is a masterful pr move from open ai who you know even if they paid i don't know peter i don't know 500 million dollars like i'm just making up numbers

00:03:05 ◼   ► up numbers if they paid in 500 million dollars what are we doing what is happening i mean i mean we have heard crazier numbers from the ai

00:03:15 ◼   ► industry uh acquiring people essentially over the past year so i don't know about any amount of money i think

00:03:23 ◼   ► what this buys you is attention from the community and a lot of developer good standing right now at a time

00:03:33 ◼   ► where anthropic is kind of i don't know if you guys are keeping an eye on this but like anthropic is kind of

00:03:39 ◼   ► fumbling the the the whole developer ecosystem story right now um how does that happen i feel like two weeks

00:03:46 ◼   ► ago they were like the second coming of christ with like clode code clode code clode claw whatever it's

00:03:53 ◼   ► called open cloud yeah the problem is that anthropic is more and more turning into the apple of it all

00:04:00 ◼   ► um the latest thing so first of all the fact that they sent you know the seasoned deceased and the

00:04:08 ◼   ► letters like obviously kind of made sense they had to do that you can't not do that yeah but it kind of

00:04:17 ◼   ► felt like in some parts of the community kind of felt like punching down at a guy that was just doing

00:04:21 ◼   ► something cool federico you know i get it people don't understand how copyright works but i get it

00:04:26 ◼   ► people think you could just choose not to excel your copyrights like no if you do that you'll lose

00:04:30 ◼   ► it like you're trying to get it you'll just lose it the real fumble happened two days ago where they

00:04:36 ◼   ► updated the terms of service for cloud code to uh very clearly prohibit using your cloud subscription

00:04:47 ◼   ► or cloud code subscription access with external agents oh that's not good is it and

00:04:56 ◼   ► and and they also wrote something in the terms of service that said you cannot create commercial

00:05:05 ◼   ► projects based on the agent sdk the agent sdk is something that anthropic itself makes and releases

00:05:13 ◼   ► and developers were reading the terms of service and they were like i'm sorry are you saying that you

00:05:18 ◼   ► make an sdk but you cannot build commercial projects with this sdk and so the whole mix of anthropic

00:05:26 ◼   ► first of all not getting behind this project and then banning accounts of people that were using

00:05:32 ◼   ► their subscriptions with open claw and then updating the terms of service to state that very clearly

00:05:39 ◼   ► and multiple anthropic employees on social media kind of dodging the questions from people being like

00:05:44 ◼   ► can you be extremely clear and tell me if i can use my cloud code or cloud subscription to use open claw

00:05:50 ◼   ► and they were just repeating this boilerplate text from the terms of service like it's not a good look

00:05:56 ◼   ► and I think OpenAI is doing all the right things at the moment.

00:06:01 ◼   ► They're saying publicly, yes, you can use your ChatGPT subscription with OpenClaw.

00:06:06 ◼   ► They hired Peter Steinberger.

00:06:09 ◼   ► They're keeping it open source.

00:06:10 ◼   ► They're keeping support for using external models

00:06:13 ◼   ► that are not made by OpenAI.

00:06:14 ◼   ► I just think, and these things, as we have seen,

00:06:19 ◼   ► they can shift very quickly.

00:06:23 ◼   ► So maybe I'm saying this now and in six hours,

00:06:26 ◼   ► it'll be different because maybe Anthropic will put out a message saying,

00:06:29 ◼   ► oh, we love OpenClaw.

00:06:29 ◼   ► Who knows what's going to happen?

00:06:31 ◼   ► But right now, really good get for OpenAI from a PR and developer goodwill standpoint.

00:06:37 ◼   ► Can we just pause for a moment?

00:06:40 ◼   ► Just, I was right?

00:06:42 ◼   ► Yes.

00:06:43 ◼   ► Everyone just needs to understand that I was right.

00:06:47 ◼   ► It was obvious to me, completely obvious, and it happened faster than I thought, really.

00:06:51 ◼   ► I also, like, it's interesting to me

00:06:56 ◼   ► that you say that people in, like, the community care about,

00:06:59 ◼   ► are, like, excited about this.

00:07:01 ◼   ► Because I just feel like if you really like OpenClaw, it's going away.

00:07:04 ◼   ► Like, there's, I don't see a world in which that's not happening.

00:07:07 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:07:08 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:07:09 ◼   ► If OpenAI think that this is important enough that they would spend a bunch of money,

00:07:14 ◼   ► that they want Steinberger to make something like this for them,

00:07:17 ◼   ► they're not going to use this.

00:07:18 ◼   ► They're going to have a productized version of it.

00:07:20 ◼   ► Yeah, but I think you can look at it from OpenAI's perspective.

00:07:25 ◼   ► You can have both.

00:07:26 ◼   ► Just like Codex.

00:07:28 ◼   ► So their competitor to CloudCode, Codex, is now a product.

00:07:33 ◼   ► You can download the Codex app on your Mac,

00:07:36 ◼   ► and allegedly there's also going to be an iOS app at some point.

00:07:40 ◼   ► And that's the productized version.

00:07:42 ◼   ► But Codex, the Codex CLI in the terminal is actually open source

00:07:46 ◼   ► and always has been open source.

00:07:48 ◼   ► And they keep working on it.

00:07:50 ◼   ► So they have both the open source version and the productized version

00:07:54 ◼   ► for people who don't want to get their hands dirty in the terminal.

00:07:57 ◼   ► And I think they have shown that they can sort of do both at the same time,

00:08:01 ◼   ► which is a nice return to form for their name, OpenAI.

00:08:07 ◼   ► Like, that's the whole point.

00:08:09 ◼   ► And so that actually leads me to the second comment,

00:08:12 ◼   ► which is I do think that this will eventually be turned,

00:08:18 ◼   ► a version of this will be turned into a product

00:08:21 ◼   ► that doesn't require setting up a terminal,

00:08:24 ◼   ► setting up a bunch of JSON files and markdown files.

00:08:27 ◼   ► And hopefully it's more secure.

00:08:29 ◼   ► More secure.

00:08:30 ◼   ► OpenAI will have to invest a lot in security of this thing.

00:08:33 ◼   ► But if they do believe that the capability overhang,

00:08:36 ◼   ► I cannot stop repeating this expression.

00:08:39 ◼   ► That phrase has infected your brain.

00:08:42 ◼   ► I love it so much because it doesn't make any sense.

00:08:44 ◼   ► You can just make up words at this point in AI.

00:08:49 ◼   ► I mean, that's what it does, you know?

00:08:51 ◼   ► Heyo!

00:08:51 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:08:52 ◼   ► It's the whole way down.

00:08:53 ◼   ► It's the whole thing.

00:08:55 ◼   ► If they really do believe that to make these products more useful,

00:09:00 ◼   ► there needs to be an agent that does things for you,

00:09:03 ◼   ► I'm sure they will turn this into a product.

00:09:06 ◼   ► And if that's the case,

00:09:07 ◼   ► some really interesting parallels going on here

00:09:11 ◼   ► between what OpenClaw does

00:09:14 ◼   ► and what Sky from the creators of Shortcuts

00:09:17 ◼   ► used to do on your Mac before.

00:09:21 ◼   ► I don't know if these folks are now going to work together.

00:09:24 ◼   ► I don't know if that's part of a singular plan for OpenAI.

00:09:29 ◼   ► But there are some...

00:09:30 ◼   ► And I know, I mean, Mike,

00:09:31 ◼   ► you also played with Sky on the Mac

00:09:34 ◼   ► before it stopped working.

00:09:36 ◼   ► Some interesting parallels between them.

00:09:38 ◼   ► Like it's a thing that it's on your computer

00:09:40 ◼   ► and you can work inside of apps.

00:09:42 ◼   ► Two very different approaches,

00:09:43 ◼   ► but sort of same spirit.

00:09:45 ◼   ► They're circling the same area.

00:09:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:09:47 ◼   ► Talking to a computer

00:09:49 ◼   ► and having the computer do things.

00:09:50 ◼   ► And like Sky was very much

00:09:53 ◼   ► do it for me right now

00:09:54 ◼   ► and OpenClaw feels a little bit more like

00:09:56 ◼   ► do it and let me know when you're done

00:09:58 ◼   ► kind of thing.

00:09:59 ◼   ► And those, you know,

00:10:02 ◼   ► you can imagine those two pieces

00:10:04 ◼   ► making a full whole at some point.

00:10:07 ◼   ► Yeah, because like obviously

00:10:09 ◼   ► Jason in the Discord is right.

00:10:11 ◼   ► Like there's probably no way

00:10:12 ◼   ► to really productize OpenClaw

00:10:14 ◼   ► because that's the whole point of it.

00:10:15 ◼   ► Like it's a very loose system

00:10:18 ◼   ► that you can let loose

00:10:20 ◼   ► and do things for you in the background.

00:10:22 ◼   ► And if you are a tinkerer,

00:10:23 ◼   ► if you're a nerd

00:10:24 ◼   ► and you can keep an eye on it,

00:10:26 ◼   ► it unlocks a lot of really nice features.

00:10:29 ◼   ► But how do you make that into a product?

00:10:32 ◼   ► Like are you going to tell people

00:10:33 ◼   ► install this thing on your Mac,

00:10:35 ◼   ► grant a whole bunch of permissions

00:10:37 ◼   ► and hope for the best?

00:10:38 ◼   ► And I do get,

00:10:39 ◼   ► I do understand that argument,

00:10:40 ◼   ► but maybe there is a version

00:10:42 ◼   ► to make it slightly more,

00:10:44 ◼   ► you know,

00:10:45 ◼   ► more sandboxed,

00:10:47 ◼   ► obviously.

00:10:47 ◼   ► But, you know,

00:10:49 ◼   ► have it do things in the background

00:10:51 ◼   ► and you install it on your computer

00:10:52 ◼   ► and it can do things for you

00:10:54 ◼   ► and it can talk to a bunch of APIs.

00:10:56 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:10:56 ◼   ► I just feel like there is a future

00:10:59 ◼   ► where I can see the OpenClaw terminal

00:11:02 ◼   ► that's for the nerds,

00:11:03 ◼   ► that's for people who know

00:11:04 ◼   ► what they're doing.

00:11:05 ◼   ► and there's,

00:11:06 ◼   ► I don't know,

00:11:06 ◼   ► call it OpenAI agent,

00:11:09 ◼   ► ChatGPT agent,

00:11:10 ◼   ► whatever,

00:11:10 ◼   ► that is a similar thing,

00:11:13 ◼   ► slightly more closed off,

00:11:14 ◼   ► easier to use,

00:11:15 ◼   ► that has a bunch of similar features.

00:11:18 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:11:19 ◼   ► Oh, yes.

00:11:21 ◼   ► And also my final prediction,

00:11:22 ◼   ► I mentioned that right now

00:11:25 ◼   ► you can keep using

00:11:26 ◼   ► any kind of model

00:11:27 ◼   ► that you want.

00:11:28 ◼   ► They don't,

00:11:29 ◼   ► OpenAI is not saying,

00:11:31 ◼   ► ah,

00:11:31 ◼   ► but you should really be using

00:11:32 ◼   ► OpenAI models with this.

00:11:34 ◼   ► I do expect a couple of things.

00:11:37 ◼   ► I wouldn't be shocked

00:11:39 ◼   ► if OpenAI comes out

00:11:41 ◼   ► and says,

00:11:42 ◼   ► if you use,

00:11:43 ◼   ► you know,

00:11:44 ◼   ► an OpenAI model

00:11:45 ◼   ► in OpenClaw,

00:11:46 ◼   ► you can have

00:11:46 ◼   ► extended usage

00:11:48 ◼   ► or,

00:11:49 ◼   ► you know,

00:11:49 ◼   ► higher limits,

00:11:51 ◼   ► you know,

00:11:53 ◼   ► like a promotion of sorts.

00:11:54 ◼   ► Enhanced in some way.

00:11:55 ◼   ► There's like a benefit.

00:11:57 ◼   ► Also,

00:11:57 ◼   ► I wouldn't be shocked

00:11:59 ◼   ► to see

00:12:00 ◼   ► an OpenAI model

00:12:01 ◼   ► specifically tuned

00:12:03 ◼   ► for OpenClaw.

00:12:04 ◼   ► Right now,

00:12:05 ◼   ► you can use

00:12:06 ◼   ► GPT 5.2

00:12:07 ◼   ► or Codex 5.3

00:12:09 ◼   ► in OpenClaw

00:12:10 ◼   ► and they suck.

00:12:11 ◼   ► They're terrible.

00:12:12 ◼   ► The vibes are really bad.

00:12:13 ◼   ► They're boring,

00:12:14 ◼   ► they're flat,

00:12:15 ◼   ► they're dull

00:12:16 ◼   ► and they're slow.

00:12:17 ◼   ► I wouldn't be surprised

00:12:19 ◼   ► to see,

00:12:20 ◼   ► I don't know,

00:12:20 ◼   ► maybe a new open source model

00:12:22 ◼   ► by OpenAI

00:12:23 ◼   ► or maybe a GPT model

00:12:25 ◼   ► that's specifically tuned

00:12:26 ◼   ► for OpenClaw

00:12:27 ◼   ► agentic usage

00:12:30 ◼   ► because right now

00:12:31 ◼   ► the default GPT model

00:12:33 ◼   ► is kind of boring.

00:12:34 ◼   ► So,

00:12:36 ◼   ► those are my predictions.

00:12:37 ◼   ► All right,

00:12:38 ◼   ► we'll see how it goes.

00:12:39 ◼   ► I have a couple of gamers topics

00:12:41 ◼   ► for real gamers.

00:12:43 ◼   ► Love it.

00:12:43 ◼   ► So,

00:12:44 ◼   ► GameSir

00:12:45 ◼   ► is a company that

00:12:47 ◼   ► they,

00:12:48 ◼   ► well,

00:12:48 ◼   ► they're part of Game,

00:12:49 ◼   ► no,

00:12:50 ◼   ► GameSir make Game Hub.

00:12:51 ◼   ► GameDaddy.

00:12:52 ◼   ► Yes, GameDaddy.

00:12:52 ◼   ► GameSir is a company

00:12:55 ◼   ► that used to make

00:12:55 ◼   ► controllers

00:12:56 ◼   ► and still make controllers.

00:12:57 ◼   ► They still do.

00:12:57 ◼   ► They still make controllers.

00:12:59 ◼   ► Then they were,

00:12:59 ◼   ► one day were like,

00:13:00 ◼   ► hey,

00:13:00 ◼   ► we've made this Android app

00:13:02 ◼   ► that lets you play

00:13:02 ◼   ► Steam games.

00:13:03 ◼   ► Which is incredible.

00:13:04 ◼   ► On your Android phone.

00:13:06 ◼   ► Like,

00:13:06 ◼   ► actual Steam,

00:13:07 ◼   ► Windows Steam games.

00:13:09 ◼   ► Like,

00:13:09 ◼   ► it recompiles them

00:13:11 ◼   ► and you can play them

00:13:12 ◼   ► on an Android phone

00:13:13 ◼   ► or other Android-based

00:13:15 ◼   ► gaming apps

00:13:16 ◼   ► gaming tablets

00:13:18 ◼   ► and stuff like that.

00:13:18 ◼   ► They have announced

00:13:19 ◼   ► they are making

00:13:20 ◼   ► Game Hub for Mac.

00:13:22 ◼   ► Yes.

00:13:22 ◼   ► Which should allow

00:13:24 ◼   ► you to play

00:13:24 ◼   ► Windows games

00:13:25 ◼   ► from Steam

00:13:26 ◼   ► and other places

00:13:27 ◼   ► natively on your Mac

00:13:29 ◼   ► with acceptable

00:13:30 ◼   ► to good performance.

00:13:32 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:13:33 ◼   ► This is very exciting.

00:13:35 ◼   ► It's very exciting.

00:13:36 ◼   ► We just recorded,

00:13:37 ◼   ► right before this show,

00:13:38 ◼   ► I just recorded

00:13:39 ◼   ► an episode of NPC

00:13:40 ◼   ► that is all about

00:13:42 ◼   ► Game Hub

00:13:43 ◼   ► and the latest surprise

00:13:45 ◼   ► in my arsenal

00:13:47 ◼   ► of Android hardware

00:13:49 ◼   ► for Game Hub.

00:13:50 ◼   ► So that's coming out

00:13:51 ◼   ► next week.

00:13:51 ◼   ► But,

00:13:53 ◼   ► it's wild to me

00:13:55 ◼   ► that

00:13:56 ◼   ► GameSir

00:13:57 ◼   ► is doing

00:13:59 ◼   ► this thing

00:14:00 ◼   ► before Apple.

00:14:01 ◼   ► This is exactly

00:14:02 ◼   ► the sort of thing

00:14:03 ◼   ► that we want

00:14:03 ◼   ► Apple to do.

00:14:04 ◼   ► Well,

00:14:06 ◼   ► they have...

00:14:07 ◼   ► What do they have?

00:14:09 ◼   ► The toolkit.

00:14:10 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:14:10 ◼   ► Have you played with it?

00:14:11 ◼   ► Have you ever...

00:14:12 ◼   ► No.

00:14:12 ◼   ► I'm just saying

00:14:13 ◼   ► that that exists.

00:14:14 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:14:14 ◼   ► Yes.

00:14:15 ◼   ► Many things

00:14:16 ◼   ► that Apple

00:14:17 ◼   ► makes exist.

00:14:18 ◼   ► This is exactly

00:14:22 ◼   ► what a lot of us

00:14:24 ◼   ► wanted.

00:14:24 ◼   ► Like,

00:14:24 ◼   ► it's a translation

00:14:25 ◼   ► layer

00:14:26 ◼   ► that is going

00:14:28 ◼   ► to take advantage

00:14:28 ◼   ► of the CPU

00:14:29 ◼   ► of Apple Silicon

00:14:30 ◼   ► to brute force

00:14:32 ◼   ► the problem

00:14:33 ◼   ► of emulating

00:14:34 ◼   ► Windows games

00:14:35 ◼   ► on Mac OS.

00:14:36 ◼   ► Game Hub

00:14:38 ◼   ► does a lot

00:14:38 ◼   ► of interesting things

00:14:39 ◼   ► on Android.

00:14:40 ◼   ► first,

00:14:41 ◼   ► it's actually,

00:14:42 ◼   ► if you're not

00:14:43 ◼   ► familiar with it,

00:14:43 ◼   ► it's actually

00:14:43 ◼   ► two translation layers

00:14:45 ◼   ► happening at the same time.

00:14:47 ◼   ► And I'm going to try

00:14:48 ◼   ► and simplify.

00:14:49 ◼   ► It's an emulator

00:14:50 ◼   ► that uses Proton.

00:14:54 ◼   ► So you have

00:14:54 ◼   ► the first layer

00:14:56 ◼   ► of this cake

00:14:58 ◼   ► is Proton,

00:14:59 ◼   ► which translates

00:15:00 ◼   ► Windows API calls

00:15:02 ◼   ► for Windows games

00:15:03 ◼   ► to Linux.

00:15:05 ◼   ► and then you have

00:15:07 ◼   ► Fex,

00:15:08 ◼   ► which for many years

00:15:09 ◼   ► it was thought

00:15:10 ◼   ► that Fex,

00:15:11 ◼   ► F-E-X,

00:15:12 ◼   ► was an open source

00:15:13 ◼   ► emulator.

00:15:14 ◼   ► It turned out

00:15:15 ◼   ► a couple of months ago

00:15:16 ◼   ► that all along

00:15:17 ◼   ► Valve

00:15:18 ◼   ► was actually behind

00:15:19 ◼   ► Fex

00:15:20 ◼   ► and funding

00:15:20 ◼   ► the project.

00:15:21 ◼   ► So in Game Hub

00:15:23 ◼   ► for Android,

00:15:24 ◼   ► you have both Proton

00:15:25 ◼   ► and Fex

00:15:26 ◼   ► happening

00:15:27 ◼   ► at the same time.

00:15:28 ◼   ► So they're

00:15:29 ◼   ► translating Windows

00:15:30 ◼   ► to Linux

00:15:31 ◼   ► and then from

00:15:32 ◼   ► those Linux

00:15:33 ◼   ► to Android.

00:15:35 ◼   ► It's wild

00:15:37 ◼   ► that it works.

00:15:38 ◼   ► Is it going

00:15:40 ◼   ► to ARM?

00:15:40 ◼   ► Yes.

00:15:41 ◼   ► Yeah,

00:15:42 ◼   ► so that's how

00:15:43 ◼   ► we're working.

00:15:43 ◼   ► It's not going

00:15:44 ◼   ► to Android

00:15:46 ◼   ► as such as

00:15:46 ◼   ► it's going to ARM.

00:15:47 ◼   ► So this is how

00:15:48 ◼   ► they're able to do this.

00:15:49 ◼   ► It's going to ARM,

00:15:50 ◼   ► yes.

00:15:50 ◼   ► And you would assume

00:15:51 ◼   ► they're doing this

00:15:52 ◼   ► on the Mac

00:15:53 ◼   ► because they know

00:15:54 ◼   ► they can do this.

00:15:55 ◼   ► They probably couldn't

00:15:56 ◼   ► get this app

00:15:57 ◼   ► on the App Store.

00:15:57 ◼   ► They couldn't get

00:15:59 ◼   ► just-in-time compilation

00:16:01 ◼   ► for example

00:16:01 ◼   ► to work on iOS

00:16:02 ◼   ► and also Game Hub

00:16:05 ◼   ► requires a lot

00:16:07 ◼   ► of permissions

00:16:09 ◼   ► in terms of

00:16:10 ◼   ► breaking out

00:16:11 ◼   ► of the sandbox

00:16:11 ◼   ► and installing

00:16:15 ◼   ► additional executables

00:16:16 ◼   ► for example.

00:16:17 ◼   ► Today for example

00:16:18 ◼   ► I wanted to play

00:16:19 ◼   ► Final Fantasy X Remaster

00:16:20 ◼   ► on Android

00:16:21 ◼   ► and it turns out

00:16:22 ◼   ► that if I wanted

00:16:23 ◼   ► to do that

00:16:23 ◼   ► in Game Hub

00:16:24 ◼   ► I had to install

00:16:25 ◼   ► two different

00:16:26 ◼   ► Windows components

00:16:27 ◼   ► which Game Hub

00:16:28 ◼   ► lets you do

00:16:29 ◼   ► but it actually

00:16:31 ◼   ► lets you install

00:16:31 ◼   ► a Windows

00:16:32 ◼   ► I think it was

00:16:33 ◼   ► a Windows XP

00:16:33 ◼   ► what are they called?

00:16:36 ◼   ► Registrable?

00:16:37 ◼   ► Something like that.

00:16:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:16:39 ◼   ► It's wild.

00:16:41 ◼   ► So it requires

00:16:44 ◼   ► a lot of permissions

00:16:44 ◼   ► which are obviously

00:16:45 ◼   ► possible on Android

00:16:46 ◼   ► wouldn't be possible

00:16:47 ◼   ► on iOS

00:16:48 ◼   ► but they're possible

00:16:49 ◼   ► on macOS.

00:16:50 ◼   ► so I think

00:16:51 ◼   ► there's a really

00:16:52 ◼   ► fun future here

00:16:54 ◼   ► if this thing works

00:16:55 ◼   ► and honestly

00:16:56 ◼   ► I have no doubt

00:16:58 ◼   ► that it will

00:16:59 ◼   ► in some shape

00:17:00 ◼   ► and form

00:17:00 ◼   ► the idea

00:17:02 ◼   ► of actually

00:17:03 ◼   ► playing

00:17:04 ◼   ► modern

00:17:05 ◼   ► Steam games

00:17:06 ◼   ► on your Mac

00:17:07 ◼   ► could be

00:17:08 ◼   ► finally possible

00:17:09 ◼   ► and they're also

00:17:10 ◼   ► teasing

00:17:10 ◼   ► some features

00:17:12 ◼   ► I'm trying to see

00:17:14 ◼   ► they mentioned

00:17:15 ◼   ► here it is

00:17:17 ◼   ► so

00:17:18 ◼   ► frame interpolation

00:17:20 ◼   ► multiple color modes

00:17:22 ◼   ► so you can choose

00:17:22 ◼   ► between

00:17:23 ◼   ► SDR and HDR

00:17:24 ◼   ► super resolution

00:17:26 ◼   ► this is something fun

00:17:27 ◼   ► that they also do

00:17:28 ◼   ► on Android

00:17:28 ◼   ► you can run a game

00:17:29 ◼   ► at 720p

00:17:30 ◼   ► and upscale it

00:17:32 ◼   ► to I don't know

00:17:32 ◼   ► 1080 or 1440

00:17:34 ◼   ► VSync

00:17:35 ◼   ► and multiple graphic

00:17:37 ◼   ► performance modes

00:17:37 ◼   ► this will be

00:17:40 ◼   ► really interesting

00:17:40 ◼   ► to see

00:17:41 ◼   ► for example

00:17:42 ◼   ► in action

00:17:42 ◼   ► on an M4 Mac Mini

00:17:44 ◼   ► but also as a comparison

00:17:46 ◼   ► on a Mac Studio

00:17:47 ◼   ► because you have

00:17:48 ◼   ► that much power

00:17:49 ◼   ► and that much more

00:17:50 ◼   ► memory

00:17:50 ◼   ► available

00:17:50 ◼   ► but also

00:17:51 ◼   ► what could you do

00:17:52 ◼   ► on a MacBook Air

00:17:53 ◼   ► yeah

00:17:54 ◼   ► right

00:17:55 ◼   ► it's going to be

00:17:55 ◼   ► really interesting

00:17:56 ◼   ► to see

00:17:57 ◼   ► the power

00:17:58 ◼   ► that is available

00:17:58 ◼   ► and it will only

00:17:59 ◼   ► again

00:18:00 ◼   ► just make us sad

00:18:01 ◼   ► that

00:18:01 ◼   ► gaming on the Mac

00:18:03 ◼   ► isn't more of a thing

00:18:04 ◼   ► but maybe games

00:18:05 ◼   ► will be brute forcing

00:18:06 ◼   ► it for us

00:18:07 ◼   ► instead

00:18:07 ◼   ► yeah

00:18:08 ◼   ► you mentioned

00:18:10 ◼   ► Valve a minute ago

00:18:11 ◼   ► they announced

00:18:12 ◼   ► at the

00:18:13 ◼   ► end of last year

00:18:15 ◼   ► a bunch of products

00:18:16 ◼   ► one of them

00:18:17 ◼   ► was the

00:18:18 ◼   ► Steam Frame

00:18:19 ◼   ► which is a VR headset

00:18:20 ◼   ► and something

00:18:21 ◼   ► that people

00:18:21 ◼   ► were really excited

00:18:22 ◼   ► about

00:18:22 ◼   ► was a technology

00:18:23 ◼   ► that Valve

00:18:23 ◼   ► was talking about

00:18:24 ◼   ► and calling

00:18:25 ◼   ► foveated streaming

00:18:27 ◼   ► so

00:18:28 ◼   ► if you are familiar

00:18:30 ◼   ► with the Vision Pro

00:18:30 ◼   ► you know about

00:18:31 ◼   ► foveated rendering

00:18:32 ◼   ► which is

00:18:33 ◼   ► wherever your eyes

00:18:34 ◼   ► are looking

00:18:35 ◼   ► is what is rendering

00:18:36 ◼   ► and so that enables

00:18:38 ◼   ► higher graphical

00:18:40 ◼   ► fidelity

00:18:41 ◼   ► and stuff like that

00:18:41 ◼   ► because you're not

00:18:42 ◼   ► trying to render

00:18:42 ◼   ► the whole

00:18:43 ◼   ► view of something

00:18:45 ◼   ► but just where

00:18:45 ◼   ► you're looking

00:18:46 ◼   ► so foveated streaming

00:18:48 ◼   ► was the idea

00:18:49 ◼   ► that if you were

00:18:50 ◼   ► streaming something

00:18:51 ◼   ► like a game

00:18:52 ◼   ► from the web

00:18:53 ◼   ► or from another

00:18:54 ◼   ► piece of hardware

00:18:55 ◼   ► or something like that

00:18:55 ◼   ► that the system

00:18:56 ◼   ► would be able

00:18:57 ◼   ► to deliver

00:18:58 ◼   ► just what you

00:18:59 ◼   ► needed to see

00:19:01 ◼   ► at any one point

00:19:02 ◼   ► in the highest

00:19:03 ◼   ► resolution

00:19:04 ◼   ► so it's like

00:19:05 ◼   ► taking the idea

00:19:06 ◼   ► of rendering

00:19:07 ◼   ► and pushing it

00:19:07 ◼   ► out to streaming

00:19:08 ◼   ► very interesting

00:19:10 ◼   ► could enable

00:19:11 ◼   ► a bunch of

00:19:12 ◼   ► cool technologies

00:19:13 ◼   ► as part of

00:19:15 ◼   ► Vision OS 26.4

00:19:17 ◼   ► the beta

00:19:18 ◼   ► which came out

00:19:19 ◼   ► yesterday

00:19:19 ◼   ► a couple of days ago

00:19:20 ◼   ► as we were recording this

00:19:21 ◼   ► Apple have announced

00:19:23 ◼   ► foveated streaming

00:19:24 ◼   ► as a new technology

00:19:26 ◼   ► so I'll read

00:19:27 ◼   ► from the developer

00:19:28 ◼   ► documentation

00:19:28 ◼   ► the endpoint host

00:19:30 ◼   ► streams high quality

00:19:31 ◼   ► content only where

00:19:32 ◼   ► necessary

00:19:33 ◼   ► based on information

00:19:34 ◼   ► about the approximate

00:19:35 ◼   ► region where the

00:19:35 ◼   ► person is looking

00:19:36 ◼   ► ensuring performance

00:19:37 ◼   ► applications and games

00:19:39 ◼   ► can integrate with

00:19:40 ◼   ► the NVIDIA cloud

00:19:41 ◼   ► XR SDK

00:19:41 ◼   ► to become streaming

00:19:43 ◼   ► endpoints

00:19:43 ◼   ► so super interesting

00:19:45 ◼   ► that they're putting

00:19:46 ◼   ► this into Vision OS

00:19:46 ◼   ► and there's like

00:19:48 ◼   ► if you follow the

00:19:49 ◼   ► if you're following

00:19:51 ◼   ► what's going on

00:19:51 ◼   ► with Valve

00:19:52 ◼   ► and I'm sure you'll

00:19:53 ◼   ► find this funny

00:19:53 ◼   ► Federico

00:19:54 ◼   ► that it

00:19:54 ◼   ► it may end up

00:19:56 ◼   ► the Apple beat Valve

00:19:57 ◼   ► to having this

00:19:58 ◼   ► available

00:19:58 ◼   ► just because

00:20:00 ◼   ► the Steam frame

00:20:01 ◼   ► is like

00:20:01 ◼   ► and all of the

00:20:03 ◼   ► new Steam products

00:20:04 ◼   ► they're never

00:20:05 ◼   ► coming out

00:20:05 ◼   ► they may never

00:20:07 ◼   ► come out

00:20:07 ◼   ► like

00:20:08 ◼   ► at least

00:20:10 ◼   ► never in the

00:20:11 ◼   ► near to mid

00:20:12 ◼   ► future

00:20:13 ◼   ► who knows

00:20:13 ◼   ► I have my own

00:20:15 ◼   ► thoughts about

00:20:15 ◼   ► the RAM stuff

00:20:16 ◼   ► which we might

00:20:16 ◼   ► talk about

00:20:17 ◼   ► at some point

00:20:17 ◼   ► in the future

00:20:17 ◼   ► but they haven't

00:20:18 ◼   ► fixed a time frame

00:20:20 ◼   ► for when this

00:20:20 ◼   ► will be shipping

00:20:21 ◼   ► but I think

00:20:21 ◼   ► 26.4 will ship

00:20:23 ◼   ► before the Steam

00:20:24 ◼   ► frame comes

00:20:25 ◼   ► into existence

00:20:26 ◼   ► so it'd be

00:20:26 ◼   ► really interesting

00:20:27 ◼   ► to see what people

00:20:27 ◼   ► could do with

00:20:28 ◼   ► this technology

00:20:28 ◼   ► I'm interested

00:20:31 ◼   ► to see that

00:20:32 ◼   ► Apple are adding

00:20:33 ◼   ► something which

00:20:34 ◼   ► is so

00:20:34 ◼   ► state-of-the-art

00:20:36 ◼   ► to Vision OS

00:20:37 ◼   ► I think that's

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00:23:21 ◼   ► in New York

00:23:23 ◼   ► London and

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00:23:25 ◼   ► 4th

00:23:26 ◼   ► not a

00:23:27 ◼   ► keynote

00:23:27 ◼   ► maybe

00:23:29 ◼   ► it's very

00:23:30 ◼   ► you know

00:23:30 ◼   ► they've done

00:23:31 ◼   ► some things

00:23:31 ◼   ► like this

00:23:32 ◼   ► like you

00:23:33 ◼   ► know we've

00:23:33 ◼   ► had friends

00:23:34 ◼   ► attend some

00:23:35 ◼   ► of these

00:23:35 ◼   ► things before

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00:23:37 ◼   ► when they

00:23:37 ◼   ► sort of mix

00:23:38 ◼   ► things up a

00:23:39 ◼   ► bit

00:23:39 ◼   ► Chance Miller

00:23:40 ◼   ► and others

00:23:41 ◼   ► think that

00:23:43 ◼   ► there could be

00:23:44 ◼   ► multiple days

00:23:45 ◼   ► of press

00:23:45 ◼   ► releases

00:23:45 ◼   ► they did

00:23:46 ◼   ► this

00:23:46 ◼   ► several

00:23:47 ◼   ► years ago

00:23:48 ◼   ► where I

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00:23:52 ◼   ► mini was

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00:23:53 ◼   ► them

00:23:53 ◼   ► and it

00:23:54 ◼   ► was like

00:23:54 ◼   ► AirPods

00:23:55 ◼   ► an iPad

00:23:55 ◼   ► mini and

00:23:56 ◼   ► something

00:23:56 ◼   ► else

00:23:56 ◼   ► and so

00:23:59 ◼   ► John Gruber

00:24:00 ◼   ► Chance Miller

00:24:00 ◼   ► others have

00:24:01 ◼   ► written about

00:24:01 ◼   ► this

00:24:01 ◼   ► that

00:24:02 ◼   ► this could be

00:24:04 ◼   ► a multi-day

00:24:05 ◼   ► rollout and

00:24:05 ◼   ► then maybe

00:24:05 ◼   ► the March

00:24:06 ◼   ► 4th

00:24:07 ◼   ► experience is a

00:24:08 ◼   ► hands-on for

00:24:09 ◼   ► all those

00:24:09 ◼   ► products I think

00:24:10 ◼   ► that's pretty

00:24:11 ◼   ► much what I

00:24:12 ◼   ► think will

00:24:12 ◼   ► happen

00:24:13 ◼   ► I have

00:24:14 ◼   ► I agree with

00:24:15 ◼   ► that in

00:24:15 ◼   ► theory but

00:24:16 ◼   ► I think

00:24:16 ◼   ► that

00:24:17 ◼   ► whatever is

00:24:19 ◼   ► announced on

00:24:19 ◼   ► March 4th

00:24:20 ◼   ► is a little

00:24:23 ◼   ► bit more

00:24:24 ◼   ► so I believe

00:24:25 ◼   ► something will

00:24:25 ◼   ► be announced

00:24:26 ◼   ► on the

00:24:27 ◼   ► 4th and

00:24:27 ◼   ► that will

00:24:27 ◼   ► be a little

00:24:28 ◼   ► bit more

00:24:28 ◼   ► special

00:24:29 ◼   ► because all

00:24:30 ◼   ► of the

00:24:30 ◼   ► experiences

00:24:31 ◼   ► are timed

00:24:34 ◼   ► the same

00:24:34 ◼   ► so the

00:24:37 ◼   ► New York

00:24:37 ◼   ► one is at

00:24:38 ◼   ► 9am

00:24:38 ◼   ► so that

00:24:40 ◼   ► means that

00:24:41 ◼   ► the London

00:24:41 ◼   ► one is at

00:24:43 ◼   ► I think

00:24:44 ◼   ► 2pm

00:24:44 ◼   ► probably

00:24:45 ◼   ► the one in

00:24:46 ◼   ► Shanghai is

00:24:47 ◼   ► at 10pm

00:24:48 ◼   ► now if you

00:24:49 ◼   ► were just

00:24:49 ◼   ► doing a

00:24:51 ◼   ► hands-on to

00:24:52 ◼   ► come and see

00:24:52 ◼   ► all the stuff

00:24:53 ◼   ► we've already

00:24:53 ◼   ► announced this

00:24:54 ◼   ► week you

00:24:55 ◼   ► would not

00:24:55 ◼   ► have people

00:24:56 ◼   ► in Shanghai

00:24:57 ◼   ► starting their

00:24:58 ◼   ► event at

00:24:59 ◼   ► 10pm

00:25:00 ◼   ► right that

00:25:01 ◼   ► wouldn't make

00:25:01 ◼   ► any sense

00:25:02 ◼   ► so I think

00:25:03 ◼   ► that the

00:25:03 ◼   ► product that

00:25:04 ◼   ► day which

00:25:05 ◼   ► I expect is

00:25:05 ◼   ► probably the

00:25:06 ◼   ► MacBook the

00:25:08 ◼   ► press release

00:25:08 ◼   ► will go out

00:25:09 ◼   ► at the

00:25:11 ◼   ► time when

00:25:11 ◼   ► the event

00:25:12 ◼   ► begins the

00:25:13 ◼   ► experience

00:25:13 ◼   ► begins and

00:25:14 ◼   ► maybe there's

00:25:14 ◼   ► a video for

00:25:15 ◼   ► that like

00:25:16 ◼   ► not like a

00:25:16 ◼   ► keynote but

00:25:17 ◼   ► like do you

00:25:17 ◼   ► remember when

00:25:18 ◼   ► we had that

00:25:19 ◼   ► day of that

00:25:20 ◼   ► week of like

00:25:21 ◼   ► three John

00:25:21 ◼   ► Turner's videos

00:25:22 ◼   ► in a row

00:25:22 ◼   ► yeah I think

00:25:24 ◼   ► that there will

00:25:24 ◼   ► be a video

00:25:25 ◼   ► that hits at

00:25:26 ◼   ► that embargo

00:25:26 ◼   ► time and

00:25:28 ◼   ► that's why

00:25:28 ◼   ► everyone's

00:25:29 ◼   ► attending this

00:25:29 ◼   ► thing at the

00:25:30 ◼   ► same time

00:25:30 ◼   ► because why

00:25:31 ◼   ► else why

00:25:31 ◼   ► would you do

00:25:32 ◼   ► it that way

00:25:32 ◼   ► right like if

00:25:33 ◼   ► it's just

00:25:33 ◼   ► like hey

00:25:34 ◼   ► come and

00:25:35 ◼   ► see this

00:25:36 ◼   ► thing you

00:25:38 ◼   ► wouldn't make

00:25:39 ◼   ► people show

00:25:40 ◼   ► up at the

00:25:40 ◼   ► exact same

00:25:41 ◼   ► time in

00:25:42 ◼   ► all three

00:25:42 ◼   ► locations across

00:25:43 ◼   ► the world

00:25:44 ◼   ► you would

00:25:44 ◼   ► just have

00:25:45 ◼   ► them everyone

00:25:46 ◼   ► show up at

00:25:46 ◼   ► 9 a.m.

00:25:47 ◼   ► local time

00:25:48 ◼   ► because we

00:25:48 ◼   ► already all

00:25:48 ◼   ► know everything

00:25:49 ◼   ► so I think

00:25:50 ◼   ► that's my

00:25:51 ◼   ► theory it's

00:25:52 ◼   ► not like a

00:25:52 ◼   ► big leap

00:25:55 ◼   ► from what

00:25:56 ◼   ► everyone's saying

00:25:57 ◼   ► but just like

00:25:58 ◼   ► that's I don't

00:25:58 ◼   ► think that yeah

00:25:59 ◼   ► it's just as

00:26:00 ◼   ► clear-cut as

00:26:00 ◼   ► like I'll know

00:26:01 ◼   ► everything before

00:26:02 ◼   ► the event begins

00:26:03 ◼   ► I don't think

00:26:03 ◼   ► it'll be that

00:26:04 ◼   ► way yeah

00:26:04 ◼   ► maybe we can

00:26:07 ◼   ► certainly make

00:26:08 ◼   ► guesses about

00:26:08 ◼   ► that next

00:26:09 ◼   ► week when

00:26:10 ◼   ► we play

00:26:10 ◼   ► the rickies

00:26:11 ◼   ► we did

00:26:14 ◼   ► want to run

00:26:14 ◼   ► down what

00:26:16 ◼   ► could be

00:26:16 ◼   ► announced next

00:26:18 ◼   ► week it

00:26:19 ◼   ► feels like

00:26:20 ◼   ► there's a lot

00:26:20 ◼   ► of stuff

00:26:21 ◼   ► that's sort

00:26:21 ◼   ► of possible

00:26:23 ◼   ► the iPhone

00:26:25 ◼   ► 17e which

00:26:27 ◼   ► you know I

00:26:28 ◼   ► think that

00:26:28 ◼   ► being an

00:26:29 ◼   ► annual product

00:26:29 ◼   ► makes a lot

00:26:30 ◼   ► of sense

00:26:30 ◼   ► maybe they

00:26:31 ◼   ► should have

00:26:32 ◼   ► MagSafe this

00:26:32 ◼   ► time this

00:26:33 ◼   ► would define

00:26:34 ◼   ► if it's an

00:26:34 ◼   ► annual product

00:26:35 ◼   ► like it

00:26:37 ◼   ► hasn't been

00:26:37 ◼   ► that's what

00:26:37 ◼   ► I'm saying

00:26:38 ◼   ► becoming one

00:26:39 ◼   ► makes a lot

00:26:40 ◼   ► of sense

00:26:40 ◼   ► the a18

00:26:43 ◼   ► iPad that

00:26:44 ◼   ► base iPad

00:26:45 ◼   ► does not

00:26:45 ◼   ► support Apple

00:26:46 ◼   ► intelligence

00:26:46 ◼   ► which probably

00:26:48 ◼   ► fine for those

00:26:49 ◼   ► users but I

00:26:49 ◼   ► think Apple

00:26:50 ◼   ► wants to get

00:26:50 ◼   ► everything up

00:26:52 ◼   ► to snuff to

00:26:52 ◼   ► support Apple

00:26:53 ◼   ► intelligence

00:26:54 ◼   ► m4 iPad Air

00:26:58 ◼   ► is that what

00:26:59 ◼   ► it says m4

00:27:00 ◼   ► iPad in the

00:27:00 ◼   ► notes I don't

00:27:01 ◼   ► know that would

00:27:02 ◼   ► be an iPad

00:27:02 ◼   ► what do you

00:27:03 ◼   ► think it could

00:27:03 ◼   ► mean I mean

00:27:04 ◼   ► it is obviously

00:27:04 ◼   ► an air

00:27:05 ◼   ► m4 iPad

00:27:08 ◼   ► mini that

00:27:08 ◼   ► would be

00:27:08 ◼   ► sick m5

00:27:10 ◼   ► could expand

00:27:12 ◼   ► to the

00:27:12 ◼   ► MacBook Air

00:27:13 ◼   ► we could see

00:27:14 ◼   ► the m5 Pro

00:27:15 ◼   ► and Max

00:27:16 ◼   ► MacBook Pros

00:27:17 ◼   ► this one is

00:27:18 ◼   ► I think the

00:27:19 ◼   ► second most

00:27:20 ◼   ► interesting to

00:27:21 ◼   ► me because

00:27:21 ◼   ► there's a lot

00:27:22 ◼   ► of reporting

00:27:22 ◼   ► that the

00:27:24 ◼   ► next generation

00:27:26 ◼   ► MacBook Pro

00:27:28 ◼   ► possibly thinner

00:27:29 ◼   ► possibly touchscreen

00:27:31 ◼   ► that that

00:27:33 ◼   ► would be an

00:27:34 ◼   ► m6 product

00:27:35 ◼   ► and a lot

00:27:35 ◼   ► and a lot

00:27:35 ◼   ► of reporting

00:27:36 ◼   ► says that's

00:27:36 ◼   ► the end

00:27:37 ◼   ► of this

00:27:37 ◼   ► year

00:27:38 ◼   ► and so

00:27:39 ◼   ► if if that

00:27:40 ◼   ► is true

00:27:40 ◼   ► the m5 Pro

00:27:42 ◼   ► and Max

00:27:43 ◼   ► if they exist

00:27:44 ◼   ► gotta be out

00:27:45 ◼   ► soon because

00:27:46 ◼   ► I don't think

00:27:46 ◼   ► Apple wants to

00:27:47 ◼   ► have those on

00:27:47 ◼   ► sale for like

00:27:47 ◼   ► three months

00:27:48 ◼   ► they're clearly

00:27:49 ◼   ► late right

00:27:50 ◼   ► yeah I think so

00:27:51 ◼   ► these were supposed

00:27:51 ◼   ► to come out

00:27:52 ◼   ► last year

00:27:52 ◼   ► well they didn't

00:27:53 ◼   ► announce it Mike

00:27:54 ◼   ► it can't be

00:27:54 ◼   ► late

00:27:54 ◼   ► well you know

00:27:56 ◼   ► what

00:27:56 ◼   ► I'm not gonna

00:27:59 ◼   ► finish the

00:27:59 ◼   ► end of that

00:28:00 ◼   ► sentence

00:28:00 ◼   ► but you know

00:28:01 ◼   ► what I can

00:28:03 ◼   ► say for sure

00:28:04 ◼   ► that they're

00:28:04 ◼   ► late because

00:28:05 ◼   ► why would you

00:28:05 ◼   ► just bring out

00:28:06 ◼   ► an m5

00:28:06 ◼   ► MacBook Pro

00:28:07 ◼   ► and not update

00:28:08 ◼   ► the MacBook

00:28:09 ◼   ► Pros in the

00:28:09 ◼   ► year like you

00:28:10 ◼   ► wouldn't do that

00:28:10 ◼   ► and then update

00:28:11 ◼   ► them if ever

00:28:11 ◼   ► yeah

00:28:12 ◼   ► they're late

00:28:13 ◼   ► like they

00:28:13 ◼   ► they just

00:28:14 ◼   ► they didn't

00:28:14 ◼   ► get them done

00:28:14 ◼   ► in time

00:28:15 ◼   ► it's totally

00:28:15 ◼   ► okay that

00:28:16 ◼   ► things are

00:28:17 ◼   ► late

00:28:17 ◼   ► like it's

00:28:17 ◼   ► fine

00:28:18 ◼   ► and we can

00:28:19 ◼   ► all look at

00:28:19 ◼   ► these things

00:28:20 ◼   ► and work

00:28:21 ◼   ► them out

00:28:21 ◼   ► logically

00:28:22 ◼   ► like Siri

00:28:24 ◼   ► is late

00:28:25 ◼   ► like Apple

00:28:26 ◼   ► Intelligence

00:28:27 ◼   ► updates are

00:28:28 ◼   ► definitely late

00:28:29 ◼   ► but Mike

00:28:29 ◼   ► but Mike

00:28:30 ◼   ► they announced

00:28:30 ◼   ► the dates

00:28:31 ◼   ► for those

00:28:31 ◼   ► so we know

00:28:32 ◼   ► they're late

00:28:32 ◼   ► well

00:28:33 ◼   ► I don't know

00:28:34 ◼   ► you made

00:28:36 ◼   ► your own

00:28:37 ◼   ► logic circle

00:28:37 ◼   ► I'm not really

00:28:38 ◼   ► sure who this

00:28:39 ◼   ► person is but

00:28:40 ◼   ► I'm happy that

00:28:40 ◼   ► you've embodied

00:28:41 ◼   ► it's Mastodon

00:28:42 ◼   ► Mr. Mastodon

00:28:43 ◼   ► M5

00:28:46 ◼   ► Max Studio

00:28:47 ◼   ► so

00:28:47 ◼   ► Max

00:28:49 ◼   ► Ultra

00:28:50 ◼   ► well yeah

00:28:52 ◼   ► this

00:28:52 ◼   ► so I wrote

00:28:52 ◼   ► this M5

00:28:53 ◼   ► something

00:28:54 ◼   ► because like

00:28:55 ◼   ► so you would

00:28:55 ◼   ► assume Pro

00:28:56 ◼   ► and Max

00:28:57 ◼   ► to begin

00:28:57 ◼   ► right

00:28:58 ◼   ► it's

00:28:59 ◼   ► yeah

00:29:00 ◼   ► Max Studio

00:29:00 ◼   ► comes in Pro

00:29:01 ◼   ► right

00:29:01 ◼   ► you can get

00:29:02 ◼   ► an M5 Pro

00:29:02 ◼   ► Max Studio

00:29:03 ◼   ► no it's Max

00:29:03 ◼   ► and Ultra

00:29:04 ◼   ► just Max

00:29:05 ◼   ► and Ultra

00:29:05 ◼   ► okay

00:29:05 ◼   ► but at the

00:29:07 ◼   ► moment it's

00:29:07 ◼   ► M4 Max

00:29:10 ◼   ► and M3 Ultra

00:29:10 ◼   ► right

00:29:11 ◼   ► of the two

00:29:11 ◼   ► Max Studios

00:29:12 ◼   ► you can get

00:29:12 ◼   ► so do we think

00:29:14 ◼   ► they will do

00:29:14 ◼   ► an M5 Ultra

00:29:15 ◼   ► now

00:29:17 ◼   ► I don't know

00:29:18 ◼   ► it would be a lot

00:29:20 ◼   ► of chips

00:29:21 ◼   ► to drop all at once

00:29:22 ◼   ► but

00:29:22 ◼   ► you know

00:29:24 ◼   ► the

00:29:24 ◼   ► the Ultra

00:29:25 ◼   ► surely is

00:29:27 ◼   ► the least

00:29:29 ◼   ► volume product

00:29:31 ◼   ► of all those

00:29:32 ◼   ► so

00:29:33 ◼   ► I don't know

00:29:34 ◼   ► if you want

00:29:36 ◼   ► to get

00:29:37 ◼   ► a real big

00:29:38 ◼   ► open claw

00:29:38 ◼   ► you know

00:29:39 ◼   ► that's right

00:29:40 ◼   ► put on an

00:29:40 ◼   ► M5 Ultra

00:29:41 ◼   ► yeah

00:29:41 ◼   ► if you want

00:29:42 ◼   ► to be a

00:29:43 ◼   ► claw head

00:29:45 ◼   ► yeah

00:29:45 ◼   ► but a real

00:29:46 ◼   ► claw head

00:29:47 ◼   ► claw head

00:29:48 ◼   ► new studio display

00:29:50 ◼   ► 90 hertz

00:29:51 ◼   ► as reported

00:29:52 ◼   ► on the

00:29:52 ◼   ► Relay FM

00:29:53 ◼   ► podcast upgrade

00:29:54 ◼   ► a long time

00:29:55 ◼   ► ago

00:29:56 ◼   ► yeah

00:29:56 ◼   ► it was

00:29:57 ◼   ► Relay FM

00:29:58 ◼   ► when we

00:29:59 ◼   ► yeah that

00:30:00 ◼   ► irked me a

00:30:00 ◼   ► little bit

00:30:01 ◼   ► but it was

00:30:03 ◼   ► Relay FM

00:30:04 ◼   ► at the time

00:30:04 ◼   ► was it

00:30:05 ◼   ► yeah

00:30:05 ◼   ► we reported

00:30:07 ◼   ► on this

00:30:07 ◼   ► a really

00:30:07 ◼   ► long time

00:30:08 ◼   ► ago

00:30:08 ◼   ► this rumor

00:30:10 ◼   ► is going

00:30:10 ◼   ► back a long

00:30:11 ◼   ► long time

00:30:11 ◼   ► but yeah

00:30:13 ◼   ► I hope

00:30:13 ◼   ► this one

00:30:14 ◼   ► I've wanted

00:30:15 ◼   ► a new

00:30:15 ◼   ► studio display

00:30:15 ◼   ► for a really

00:30:16 ◼   ► really long

00:30:17 ◼   ► time

00:30:17 ◼   ► because I

00:30:17 ◼   ► want to do

00:30:18 ◼   ► the shuffling

00:30:18 ◼   ► of displays

00:30:19 ◼   ► but the LG

00:30:20 ◼   ► display that

00:30:21 ◼   ► I'm using

00:30:21 ◼   ► right now

00:30:22 ◼   ► I don't like

00:30:23 ◼   ► I have a

00:30:23 ◼   ► studio display

00:30:24 ◼   ► on my

00:30:26 ◼   ► desk

00:30:27 ◼   ► on my

00:30:28 ◼   ► other desk

00:30:28 ◼   ► like the one

00:30:29 ◼   ► that I work

00:30:29 ◼   ► on all day

00:30:30 ◼   ► I want to

00:30:30 ◼   ► move that

00:30:30 ◼   ► here

00:30:31 ◼   ► and then get

00:30:31 ◼   ► a new

00:30:31 ◼   ► studio display

00:30:32 ◼   ► and put it

00:30:32 ◼   ► over there

00:30:32 ◼   ► so I'd be

00:30:33 ◼   ► very excited

00:30:33 ◼   ► if that

00:30:34 ◼   ► happens

00:30:34 ◼   ► yeah

00:30:35 ◼   ► there's also

00:30:37 ◼   ► home products

00:30:38 ◼   ► so the

00:30:38 ◼   ► home pod

00:30:39 ◼   ► with a

00:30:39 ◼   ► screen

00:30:39 ◼   ► which Mike

00:30:41 ◼   ► would say

00:30:41 ◼   ► is late

00:30:42 ◼   ► I would say

00:30:43 ◼   ► that's late

00:30:44 ◼   ► yes

00:30:44 ◼   ► and I also

00:30:45 ◼   ► think it's

00:30:46 ◼   ► going to be

00:30:46 ◼   ► even later

00:30:47 ◼   ► like I

00:30:48 ◼   ► figure it's

00:30:48 ◼   ► not happening

00:30:49 ◼   ► because the

00:30:50 ◼   ► rumors have

00:30:51 ◼   ► always suggested

00:30:51 ◼   ► that this

00:30:52 ◼   ► product is

00:30:53 ◼   ► for some

00:30:54 ◼   ► reason tied

00:30:55 ◼   ► to Apple

00:30:56 ◼   ► intelligence

00:30:56 ◼   ► and well

00:30:57 ◼   ► nothing is

00:30:58 ◼   ► shipped still

00:30:59 ◼   ► so this

00:31:00 ◼   ► product

00:31:01 ◼   ► presumably

00:31:02 ◼   ► will also

00:31:02 ◼   ► not ship

00:31:03 ◼   ► and will

00:31:03 ◼   ► just continue

00:31:04 ◼   ► sitting around

00:31:05 ◼   ► doing

00:31:06 ◼   ► whatever

00:31:06 ◼   ► it's

00:31:06 ◼   ► doing

00:31:06 ◼   ► I like

00:31:07 ◼   ► to imagine

00:31:08 ◼   ► that they're

00:31:08 ◼   ► all made

00:31:09 ◼   ► and they're

00:31:11 ◼   ► just like

00:31:11 ◼   ► in a warehouse

00:31:12 ◼   ► somewhere

00:31:13 ◼   ► yeah

00:31:13 ◼   ► now let's

00:31:14 ◼   ► see if we

00:31:14 ◼   ► can use

00:31:15 ◼   ► our memories

00:31:15 ◼   ► okay

00:31:16 ◼   ► I'm gonna

00:31:17 ◼   ► try and use

00:31:18 ◼   ► our collective

00:31:18 ◼   ► memories

00:31:19 ◼   ► now

00:31:19 ◼   ► there was

00:31:21 ◼   ► a product

00:31:21 ◼   ► of some

00:31:22 ◼   ► description

00:31:23 ◼   ► that Apple

00:31:23 ◼   ► released

00:31:24 ◼   ► where they

00:31:26 ◼   ► put stickers

00:31:26 ◼   ► on the

00:31:27 ◼   ► box

00:31:27 ◼   ► and

00:31:30 ◼   ► right

00:31:31 ◼   ► you're

00:31:31 ◼   ► remembering

00:31:32 ◼   ► this

00:31:32 ◼   ► it had

00:31:32 ◼   ► air power

00:31:33 ◼   ► on the

00:31:33 ◼   ► sticker

00:31:34 ◼   ► that might

00:31:35 ◼   ► be it

00:31:36 ◼   ► yes

00:31:36 ◼   ► and when

00:31:36 ◼   ► you

00:31:37 ◼   ► peeled

00:31:37 ◼   ► the sticker

00:31:38 ◼   ► off

00:31:38 ◼   ► underneath

00:31:38 ◼   ► it said

00:31:39 ◼   ► something

00:31:40 ◼   ► I think

00:31:41 ◼   ► with an

00:31:43 ◼   ► incredible

00:31:43 ◼   ► memory

00:31:44 ◼   ► AirPods

00:31:44 ◼   ► Gen 2

00:31:46 ◼   ► had

00:31:46 ◼   ► air power

00:31:47 ◼   ► stickers

00:31:47 ◼   ► so you

00:31:48 ◼   ► peeled off

00:31:48 ◼   ► a sticker

00:31:49 ◼   ► and it

00:31:49 ◼   ► said air

00:31:49 ◼   ► power

00:31:50 ◼   ► or something

00:31:50 ◼   ► underneath

00:31:51 ◼   ► I remember

00:31:52 ◼   ► this is a

00:31:53 ◼   ► thing

00:31:53 ◼   ► because we

00:31:53 ◼   ► were all

00:31:53 ◼   ► peeling off

00:31:54 ◼   ► the stickers

00:31:54 ◼   ► from our

00:31:54 ◼   ► products

00:31:55 ◼   ► that's what

00:31:56 ◼   ► I imagine

00:31:56 ◼   ► is going to

00:31:56 ◼   ► happen with

00:31:57 ◼   ► this product

00:31:57 ◼   ► I think

00:31:57 ◼   ► the iPhone

00:31:58 ◼   ► 10s

00:31:58 ◼   ► maybe

00:31:59 ◼   ► the paperwork

00:31:59 ◼   ► also referenced

00:32:00 ◼   ► the air

00:32:01 ◼   ► power

00:32:01 ◼   ► I don't

00:32:02 ◼   ► remember

00:32:02 ◼   ► smart home

00:32:04 ◼   ► accessories

00:32:05 ◼   ► so whatever

00:32:06 ◼   ► those things

00:32:07 ◼   ► could be

00:32:07 ◼   ► we don't

00:32:08 ◼   ► have time

00:32:09 ◼   ► for this

00:32:09 ◼   ► topic today

00:32:10 ◼   ► but just

00:32:11 ◼   ► in the

00:32:12 ◼   ► world of

00:32:12 ◼   ► hurt that

00:32:13 ◼   ► ring has

00:32:13 ◼   ► found itself

00:32:14 ◼   ► in recently

00:32:14 ◼   ► it's like

00:32:15 ◼   ► man

00:32:16 ◼   ► Apple really

00:32:17 ◼   ► has an

00:32:17 ◼   ► opportunity

00:32:18 ◼   ► to be like

00:32:19 ◼   ► we are the

00:32:20 ◼   ► private camera

00:32:21 ◼   ► private smart

00:32:22 ◼   ► home stuff

00:32:23 ◼   ► it's all on

00:32:24 ◼   ► iCloud

00:32:24 ◼   ► it's all

00:32:25 ◼   ► encrypted

00:32:25 ◼   ► like

00:32:26 ◼   ► they could

00:32:27 ◼   ► make a

00:32:28 ◼   ► statement

00:32:28 ◼   ► about

00:32:28 ◼   ► their

00:32:30 ◼   ► products

00:32:30 ◼   ► in a way

00:32:31 ◼   ► that would

00:32:31 ◼   ► be

00:32:31 ◼   ► or their

00:32:32 ◼   ► services

00:32:32 ◼   ► in a way

00:32:33 ◼   ► that would

00:32:33 ◼   ► be really

00:32:33 ◼   ► different

00:32:34 ◼   ► right now

00:32:34 ◼   ► but because

00:32:35 ◼   ► they don't

00:32:35 ◼   ► sell any

00:32:36 ◼   ► hardware

00:32:36 ◼   ► I feel like

00:32:36 ◼   ► they can't

00:32:37 ◼   ► really

00:32:37 ◼   ► make that

00:32:38 ◼   ► claim

00:32:39 ◼   ► boldly

00:32:39 ◼   ► I think

00:32:40 ◼   ► that's a

00:32:41 ◼   ► very interesting

00:32:41 ◼   ► angle

00:32:43 ◼   ► I'll ask you

00:32:43 ◼   ► two questions

00:32:44 ◼   ► on this

00:32:44 ◼   ► I'm not

00:32:45 ◼   ► trying to

00:32:45 ◼   ► shoot now

00:32:46 ◼   ► I'm just

00:32:46 ◼   ► wondering

00:32:46 ◼   ► one

00:32:46 ◼   ► do you

00:32:48 ◼   ► think people

00:32:48 ◼   ► trust Apple

00:32:49 ◼   ► yes

00:32:50 ◼   ► okay

00:32:51 ◼   ► two

00:32:52 ◼   ► do you

00:32:53 ◼   ► think

00:32:53 ◼   ► the majority

00:32:54 ◼   ► of

00:32:54 ◼   ► even

00:32:55 ◼   ► even

00:32:56 ◼   ► the minority

00:32:56 ◼   ► of rings

00:32:57 ◼   ► customers

00:32:57 ◼   ► actually

00:32:58 ◼   ► care

00:32:58 ◼   ► I think

00:32:59 ◼   ► it's a

00:33:00 ◼   ► minority

00:33:00 ◼   ► for sure

00:33:01 ◼   ► but like

00:33:01 ◼   ► a small

00:33:02 ◼   ► one

00:33:02 ◼   ► I don't

00:33:03 ◼   ► know

00:33:03 ◼   ► it's a

00:33:03 ◼   ► very small

00:33:03 ◼   ► one

00:33:04 ◼   ► probably

00:33:04 ◼   ► because I

00:33:06 ◼   ► think it's

00:33:06 ◼   ► like ring

00:33:07 ◼   ► cameras

00:33:08 ◼   ► are like

00:33:08 ◼   ► the Kleenex

00:33:09 ◼   ► of security

00:33:10 ◼   ► cameras

00:33:10 ◼   ► oh they're

00:33:11 ◼   ► everywhere

00:33:11 ◼   ► but also

00:33:12 ◼   ► it's just

00:33:13 ◼   ► like if

00:33:13 ◼   ► you want

00:33:13 ◼   ► a security

00:33:14 ◼   ► camera

00:33:14 ◼   ► oh you

00:33:14 ◼   ► get a

00:33:15 ◼   ► ring

00:33:15 ◼   ► camera

00:33:15 ◼   ► you know

00:33:17 ◼   ► and like

00:33:17 ◼   ► I could

00:33:17 ◼   ► imagine

00:33:18 ◼   ► that even

00:33:18 ◼   ► people

00:33:19 ◼   ► don't

00:33:19 ◼   ► have ring

00:33:19 ◼   ► cameras

00:33:20 ◼   ► refer to

00:33:20 ◼   ► them as

00:33:20 ◼   ► ring

00:33:21 ◼   ► cameras

00:33:21 ◼   ► right

00:33:22 ◼   ► I think

00:33:22 ◼   ► that they're

00:33:23 ◼   ► I mean

00:33:24 ◼   ► the reason

00:33:24 ◼   ► they can

00:33:24 ◼   ► help you

00:33:25 ◼   ► find your

00:33:25 ◼   ► lost dog

00:33:26 ◼   ► is because

00:33:26 ◼   ► they're so

00:33:26 ◼   ► ubiquitous

00:33:27 ◼   ► right

00:33:27 ◼   ► and also

00:33:29 ◼   ► can help

00:33:29 ◼   ► track you

00:33:31 ◼   ► down

00:33:31 ◼   ► find your

00:33:33 ◼   ► lost

00:33:33 ◼   ► Steven

00:33:33 ◼   ► I'm gonna

00:33:34 ◼   ► call

00:33:34 ◼   ► where's

00:33:35 ◼   ► Steven

00:33:35 ◼   ► that's definitely

00:33:35 ◼   ► what they're

00:33:35 ◼   ► looking for

00:33:36 ◼   ► and then

00:33:38 ◼   ► an Apple TV

00:33:39 ◼   ► update

00:33:39 ◼   ► which does

00:33:40 ◼   ► feel due

00:33:41 ◼   ► right

00:33:41 ◼   ► that

00:33:41 ◼   ► it's been

00:33:42 ◼   ► a few

00:33:42 ◼   ► years

00:33:43 ◼   ► not that

00:33:44 ◼   ► it really

00:33:44 ◼   ► matters

00:33:44 ◼   ► what do they

00:33:45 ◼   ► do though

00:33:45 ◼   ► like I

00:33:46 ◼   ► don't know

00:33:46 ◼   ► what do they

00:33:46 ◼   ► ever

00:33:47 ◼   ► I mean

00:33:47 ◼   ► I guess

00:33:48 ◼   ► they fixed

00:33:48 ◼   ► the remote

00:33:48 ◼   ► already

00:33:49 ◼   ► yeah I

00:33:50 ◼   ► don't know

00:33:50 ◼   ► what is it

00:33:51 ◼   ► like Apple

00:33:51 ◼   ► intelligence

00:33:52 ◼   ► what are we

00:33:53 ◼   ► doing

00:33:53 ◼   ► like I

00:33:53 ◼   ► don't know

00:33:54 ◼   ► people seem

00:33:55 ◼   ► to want an

00:33:55 ◼   ► Apple TV

00:33:55 ◼   ► update

00:33:56 ◼   ► and I

00:33:56 ◼   ► just don't

00:33:57 ◼   ► know

00:33:57 ◼   ► like I

00:33:58 ◼   ► want

00:33:58 ◼   ► different

00:33:58 ◼   ► products

00:33:59 ◼   ► like I

00:34:00 ◼   ► want them

00:34:00 ◼   ► to

00:34:01 ◼   ► rethink

00:34:02 ◼   ► the product

00:34:03 ◼   ► you know

00:34:04 ◼   ► like let's

00:34:04 ◼   ► make one

00:34:05 ◼   ► with a camera

00:34:05 ◼   ► on it

00:34:06 ◼   ► let's make

00:34:06 ◼   ► one that's

00:34:06 ◼   ► inside of a

00:34:07 ◼   ► soundbar

00:34:07 ◼   ► like let's

00:34:08 ◼   ► let's do

00:34:09 ◼   ► some interesting

00:34:09 ◼   ► stuff

00:34:10 ◼   ► but an

00:34:10 ◼   ► update to

00:34:11 ◼   ► the existing

00:34:12 ◼   ► Apple TV

00:34:13 ◼   ► I'm just

00:34:13 ◼   ► not sure

00:34:14 ◼   ► I'm just

00:34:15 ◼   ► not sure

00:34:16 ◼   ► what that

00:34:16 ◼   ► is

00:34:17 ◼   ► really

00:34:17 ◼   ► I think

00:34:20 ◼   ► people

00:34:21 ◼   ► view it

00:34:22 ◼   ► as like a

00:34:22 ◼   ► sign the

00:34:23 ◼   ► product's

00:34:23 ◼   ► not dead

00:34:24 ◼   ► maybe

00:34:25 ◼   ► I think

00:34:26 ◼   ► the sign

00:34:26 ◼   ► that the

00:34:27 ◼   ► Apple TV

00:34:27 ◼   ► is not

00:34:28 ◼   ► dead

00:34:28 ◼   ► is Apple

00:34:28 ◼   ► TV

00:34:29 ◼   ► yeah

00:34:30 ◼   ► maybe

00:34:31 ◼   ► as long

00:34:32 ◼   ► as the

00:34:32 ◼   ► Apple TV

00:34:32 ◼   ► streaming

00:34:33 ◼   ► service

00:34:33 ◼   ► exists

00:34:34 ◼   ► Apple

00:34:34 ◼   ► needs

00:34:34 ◼   ► to

00:34:34 ◼   ► sell

00:34:35 ◼   ► you

00:34:35 ◼   ► something

00:34:36 ◼   ► that you

00:34:36 ◼   ► can plug

00:34:36 ◼   ► into a

00:34:37 ◼   ► television

00:34:37 ◼   ► and watch

00:34:38 ◼   ► their stuff

00:34:38 ◼   ► on

00:34:38 ◼   ► that isn't

00:34:39 ◼   ► like a

00:34:40 ◼   ► real slow

00:34:40 ◼   ► messy

00:34:41 ◼   ► smart TV

00:34:43 ◼   ► Apple

00:34:44 ◼   ► yeah

00:34:44 ◼   ► the current

00:34:45 ◼   ► one has

00:34:46 ◼   ► the

00:34:47 ◼   ► A15

00:34:49 ◼   ► Bionic

00:34:49 ◼   ► so

00:34:50 ◼   ► that's my

00:34:51 ◼   ► favorite chip

00:34:52 ◼   ► it is

00:34:52 ◼   ► it was a

00:34:53 ◼   ► good one

00:34:54 ◼   ► I wonder

00:34:56 ◼   ► how many

00:34:56 ◼   ► times the

00:34:57 ◼   ► Apple TV

00:34:57 ◼   ► gets updated

00:34:58 ◼   ► because Apple

00:34:58 ◼   ► doesn't want

00:34:59 ◼   ► to make

00:34:59 ◼   ► this

00:34:59 ◼   ► chip

00:34:59 ◼   ► anymore

00:34:59 ◼   ► it's

00:35:00 ◼   ► probably

00:35:01 ◼   ► the only

00:35:01 ◼   ► reason

00:35:01 ◼   ► maybe

00:35:02 ◼   ► they just

00:35:04 ◼   ► can't

00:35:04 ◼   ► they can't

00:35:05 ◼   ► keep

00:35:05 ◼   ► making

00:35:05 ◼   ► a purely

00:35:06 ◼   ► supply

00:35:08 ◼   ► chain

00:35:09 ◼   ► decision

00:35:09 ◼   ► of course

00:35:11 ◼   ► I think

00:35:11 ◼   ► the big

00:35:12 ◼   ► possible

00:35:13 ◼   ► product

00:35:13 ◼   ► hanging

00:35:13 ◼   ► over

00:35:14 ◼   ► this

00:35:14 ◼   ► event

00:35:14 ◼   ► is

00:35:15 ◼   ► a

00:35:16 ◼   ► new

00:35:17 ◼   ► smaller

00:35:18 ◼   ► A series

00:35:19 ◼   ► powered

00:35:20 ◼   ► MacBook

00:35:20 ◼   ► you and

00:35:22 ◼   ► Jason have

00:35:22 ◼   ► talked a lot

00:35:23 ◼   ► about this

00:35:24 ◼   ► on upgrade

00:35:24 ◼   ► really

00:35:25 ◼   ► like the

00:35:25 ◼   ► last year

00:35:25 ◼   ► year and a

00:35:26 ◼   ► half

00:35:26 ◼   ► this has

00:35:27 ◼   ► been

00:35:27 ◼   ► rumored

00:35:27 ◼   ► for a

00:35:27 ◼   ► long

00:35:27 ◼   ► time

00:35:28 ◼   ► the

00:35:29 ◼   ► thing

00:35:29 ◼   ► that

00:35:29 ◼   ► hurts

00:35:30 ◼   ► me

00:35:30 ◼   ► about

00:35:30 ◼   ► the

00:35:30 ◼   ► most

00:35:31 ◼   ► recent

00:35:31 ◼   ► round

00:35:31 ◼   ► of

00:35:31 ◼   ► rumors

00:35:32 ◼   ► is

00:35:32 ◼   ► that

00:35:32 ◼   ► orange

00:35:33 ◼   ► is

00:35:34 ◼   ► not

00:35:34 ◼   ► rumored

00:35:34 ◼   ► to be

00:35:34 ◼   ► a

00:35:34 ◼   ► color

00:35:35 ◼   ► for this

00:35:35 ◼   ► but colors

00:35:36 ◼   ► are there

00:35:37 ◼   ► though

00:35:37 ◼   ► which is the

00:35:38 ◼   ► good thing

00:35:38 ◼   ► right

00:35:38 ◼   ► the rumor

00:35:39 ◼   ► is colors

00:35:40 ◼   ► but just

00:35:40 ◼   ► not the

00:35:41 ◼   ► one you

00:35:41 ◼   ► want

00:35:41 ◼   ► yeah

00:35:42 ◼   ► yeah

00:35:42 ◼   ► yeah

00:35:42 ◼   ► so it

00:35:42 ◼   ► looks like

00:35:43 ◼   ► it looks like

00:35:43 ◼   ► the colors

00:35:43 ◼   ► would maybe

00:35:44 ◼   ► follow

00:35:44 ◼   ► kind of

00:35:44 ◼   ► the

00:35:45 ◼   ► entry

00:35:45 ◼   ► level

00:35:45 ◼   ► ipad

00:35:46 ◼   ► colors

00:35:46 ◼   ► like the

00:35:46 ◼   ► yellow

00:35:47 ◼   ► blue

00:35:47 ◼   ► you know

00:35:48 ◼   ► I think

00:35:48 ◼   ► there's a

00:35:49 ◼   ► pink

00:35:49 ◼   ► but this

00:35:52 ◼   ► is the

00:35:52 ◼   ► most interesting

00:35:53 ◼   ► one to

00:35:54 ◼   ► me

00:35:54 ◼   ► just because

00:35:54 ◼   ► it's a

00:35:55 ◼   ► new

00:35:55 ◼   ► it's both

00:35:58 ◼   ► a new

00:35:58 ◼   ► product

00:35:58 ◼   ► but it's

00:35:59 ◼   ► also a

00:35:59 ◼   ► new take

00:35:59 ◼   ► on an

00:36:00 ◼   ► old

00:36:00 ◼   ► product

00:36:00 ◼   ► like

00:36:01 ◼   ► the

00:36:01 ◼   ► original

00:36:02 ◼   ► MacBook

00:36:02 ◼   ► was

00:36:02 ◼   ► plastic

00:36:03 ◼   ► and cheap

00:36:04 ◼   ► and there

00:36:04 ◼   ► were thousands

00:36:05 ◼   ► of them

00:36:05 ◼   ► everywhere

00:36:06 ◼   ► you looked

00:36:07 ◼   ► and then

00:36:08 ◼   ► the second

00:36:09 ◼   ► generation

00:36:10 ◼   ► MacBook

00:36:10 ◼   ► was that

00:36:11 ◼   ► 12 inch

00:36:11 ◼   ► retina one

00:36:12 ◼   ► with the

00:36:12 ◼   ► bad keyboard

00:36:13 ◼   ► the one

00:36:13 ◼   ► port

00:36:14 ◼   ► basically a

00:36:15 ◼   ► failure of

00:36:16 ◼   ► laptop in

00:36:16 ◼   ► many ways

00:36:17 ◼   ► and now

00:36:18 ◼   ► it's like

00:36:18 ◼   ► is this

00:36:19 ◼   ► a return

00:36:19 ◼   ► to form

00:36:20 ◼   ► for the

00:36:20 ◼   ► first one

00:36:20 ◼   ► like is

00:36:21 ◼   ► this going

00:36:21 ◼   ► to be

00:36:22 ◼   ► the

00:36:23 ◼   ► mainstream

00:36:23 ◼   ► laptop

00:36:24 ◼   ► what about

00:36:25 ◼   ► the MacBook

00:36:25 ◼   ► Air

00:36:26 ◼   ► like there

00:36:27 ◼   ► are some

00:36:27 ◼   ► questions

00:36:27 ◼   ► that this

00:36:28 ◼   ► raises

00:36:28 ◼   ► but I'm

00:36:30 ◼   ► very very

00:36:30 ◼   ► interested

00:36:31 ◼   ► to see

00:36:32 ◼   ► how they

00:36:33 ◼   ► price it

00:36:33 ◼   ► how they

00:36:34 ◼   ► talk about

00:36:34 ◼   ► it

00:36:35 ◼   ► where they

00:36:36 ◼   ► sell it

00:36:36 ◼   ► how they

00:36:37 ◼   ► sell it

00:36:37 ◼   ► it's all

00:36:38 ◼   ► very

00:36:38 ◼   ► I think

00:36:39 ◼   ► potentially