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00:00:40 ◼ ► net whose user name is jst but I don't know if that's the real name more and/or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/40">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► believe here and suggest you think so this is about as an iWatch follow up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/45">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► he thinks that the iWatch will be Apple's foray into identity and I says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/51">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► that aspect of the washington we didn't talk about it last show I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/56">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► and the identity problem in general I the concept is that the thing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/62">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► wear on your risk for somehow identify you to all those things that you come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/69">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► I guessed your phone if you want to pay for something at Starbucks you wave your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/75">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► risk by it or something like that I don't think of anything special about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/80">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► the watch that makes it more possible to be resource around generally them so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/85">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► phone will have phones now and if we're gonna have some sort of device be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/90">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► resource of identity it would've been the phones by now and wants people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/94">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► try to do that in various ways so this idea that maybe the maybe the phone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/97">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► too big or too expensive for the battery doesn't last long enough for you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/103">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► take it out of your pocket or something else that this would be slightly more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/106">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► accessible than to give us another crack at making this magical identity thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/109">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► where r identification is securely carried around this by this little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/112">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► physical dongle when you sit down your computer the tax that you are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/116">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► because you're the one wearing the watch it on my phone lock your screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/120">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► in when you walk into a room of plays the music that you like to put things on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/124">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► your tab when you swipe it when you buy things at stores is the fantasy scenario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/128">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► and I think the carrier said that are you know not technological there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/131">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► business-related where the payment processors camped out at every possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/137">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► place that want to give you money and maybe standards related where if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/142">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► want the same little dongle to do all these different functions charger how's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/146">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► everything you own has to be created by the same company and purchased recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/149">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► because even if Apple roll this out it wouldn't work with all the past Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/152">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► hardware probably would have to get new stuff for the very least you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/155">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► update software so I think the scenario will continue to be a fantasy but while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/159">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► nothing is actually announced this is the time to indulge in that fantasy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/165">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► suppose so this person basically just wants to enable the pictures on the wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/168">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► from the movie antitrust did you ever see that abomination I did not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/174">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► should it's Ryan Philippe philippi or whatever and Tim Robbins tim robbins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/179">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► basically plays Bill Gates and Ryan Phillippe philippi whatever is a crack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/184">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► programmer in so they go into quote-unquote Bill Gates house and as he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/189">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► goes in between rooms like the the lights dimmed to a certain level and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/194">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► pictures on the wall which are all like LCD displays show different pictures I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/200">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► think this was based on something that job supposedly had in his mansion job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/204">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► said Gates had in his mansion but the theory being that this watch could kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/209">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► of an evil that it in other words it's always on you and just like he said it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/214">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► always personalized to you and I would like to lower power than a phone so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/217">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► guess it wouldn't charge is easily so right I don't really see this happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/221">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► in that way with watches I mean it rather I don't I don't see watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/226">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► changing anything you know i i think first of all one big problem with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/231">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► is that I think there's gonna be a lot more phones and watches out there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/236">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► you know my theory from last episode was that the watch would really just be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/242">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► phone accessory and wouldn't you know I don't know if I outright said it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/248">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► but my theory here is that it wouldn't be anything but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/254">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► it's like a Bluetooth headset with no device that it would just be in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/257">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► communicating over Bluetooth Low Energy and it would just be a peripheral to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/262">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► your iPhone or maybe iPad and iPod Touch will be interesting but for all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/266">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► reasons why we don't yet have this magical automatic identity thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/275">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► these devices I think all those same reasons are going to continue to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/279">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► impossible for us to have that with watches also or rather impractical for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/283">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► us to have that with watches all the same reasons apply you have weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/290">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► privacy and security issues you have a big boil the ocean problem you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/295">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► incompatibilities in reality because it wouldn't you know it reality it wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/304">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► be one company making all these things that all work together you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/307">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► would have you know what you have now you have Apple doing pretty well with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/311">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► the iPhone but then you still have enjoyed used to have Windows Phone east [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/315">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► of all the things you have all the people who have iPhones a small portion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/318">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► them have max but a lot more of them have Windows PCs and some of them have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/324">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► iPads and some of them don't end so people who have maximum time Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/328">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► devices people who have iPads and Android phone there's there's there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/333">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► giant diverse environment things have to work in these days and for something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/336">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► like identity to work that well and to be that ubiquitous I think it would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/341">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► have to have one company so dominant in the field that it could make everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/346">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► for almost everybody and I don't think we're gonna have that for at least the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/351">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► next decade and hopefully large were better off not having that you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/356">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► is somewhat somewhat well something you said a moment ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/361">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► segue somewhat well to a post my friend Eric will endure wrote the post which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/365">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► I'm pasting in chat let me kind of take you on a little mental journey so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/371">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► talked to last episode about you know what is the thing that I was that this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/377">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► you know what's the challenge of it in the challenges that there's really not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/383">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► whole lot of input that can go into this and also not a lot of output that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/387">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► can get from it and so you know what already fixes that in Eric pointed out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/391">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► Siri could be a good answer for that and I think part of the reason I'm bringing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/398">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► this up is because I'm so excited at the thought of a dick tracey watch which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/401">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► joked about at the end of the last episode but the thought being hey you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/406">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► know syria could solve a lot of these problems of an input-output for and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/411">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► watch and the other thing that occurred to me that I didn't bring up was a DQ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/415">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► during the keynote at about an hour and 42 minutes said something about how hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/419">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► series gonna have a little more control over the things the phone can do in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/424">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► example he used I think was thing or things like brightness and one or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/429">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► other things maybe even Bluetooth which maybe wouldn't be relevant in terms and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/433">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► i watch but I thought it was an interesting idea that perhaps some sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/437">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► of really syria-based integration could work well with the watch now on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/442">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► other side of the coin to argue with myself and with Eric I don't know if a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/447">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► dick tracey watch as much as I G O can say I want it would be a really socially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/451">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► acceptable thing I think they would be a little awkward if we all walked around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/455">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► talking to our culture our risk but then again we all walk around staring down at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/458">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► our crotches so I guess it can only be but so bad I guess my problem with so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/462">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► much of this is is you know basically why don't we have this now what what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/467">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► stopping us from doing this with phones already because really it with when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/471">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► comes to things like capturing input and having sensors and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/476">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► the phone already covers pretty much all of this area that there's not a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/480">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► lot of ground that a phone in your pocket or bag or jacket doesn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/485">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► cover their end and there are you know some certainly the some things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/489">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► pedometers style things you know those things that the phone either doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/495">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► or or just can't get practically but unless you know press against your naked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/500">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► late all the time when I'm sure somebody does a lot of people behind for most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/506">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► these things that we think of as oh it will allow us to do X Y and Z almost all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/515">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► of them you could do with a phone and we aren't doing with phones and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/520">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► it's worth asking why and and looking at it with some healthy skepticism of well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/524">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► if this isn't working with phones are for not doing the set with phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/529">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► there's probably a really good reason for that and it's probably not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/532">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► change if we have a microphone or some sensors or any ink screen or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/535">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► stuck to our wrist instead of in our pockets a serious thing is weird though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/540">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► because I don't see how it could ever provide experiences this even as good as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/544">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► it is on the phone because it never have to communicate with the phone to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/549">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► serious thing so it would be like using surrender from which already is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/552">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► snappy only delayed by one more hot because it's not the phone is gonna talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/555">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► to the series service itself it's not gonna have you know 3G wireless gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/559">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► talking to the phone phones gonna be talking to syria service and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/563">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► know little game of relay back and forth and it has all the same problems as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/566">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► serious you know say something hopefully weight as you stare at it and wait to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/571">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► see how an interpreter misinterpreted what you said and wait for an answer it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/576">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► is not day a snappy experience even ignoring like the whole how do you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/579">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► type of thing I do not see people are you serious game when you're conversing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/585">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► with it and then use it for a very focused tasks rarely and I don't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/591">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► them maybe they feel like they need to do it in private but people tell me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/595">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► used to set reminders are used it to answer text messages when I'm in the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/598">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► whatever those are all times when they're not with somebody your friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/601">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► are secretly using Siri when you aren't around because they you know people feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/605">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► more comfortable talking to their thing using speech recognition 1010 me when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/611">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► do speech recognition to like read my articles with a dictation it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/616">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► comfortable that when no one is in the room hearing you say fragments of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/619">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► no oh yeah I know I would definitely say also that you know whenever I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/625">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► use Syrian public III will usually try to use it as quietly as possible and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/631">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► often I will do the thing where I pick up the phone and put it to my ear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/636">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► because most people to know that also trigger Siri with the project up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/638">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► proximity sensor and you can just talk into it like a so it looks almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/642">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► you're talking to someone on the phone while you're giving a commander [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/646">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► secretary and a very stern voice your by restaurants remind me to tell my wife I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/649">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► love her when I get home anyway so I mean is there anything really knew that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/659">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► we think about the watch now I mean one thing we initially article also by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/670">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► response I gotta put this in in the notes that lost it but somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/674">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► basically outlined what Bluetooth Low Energy does and and what what makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/679">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► possible and and white so much better and in the context in response to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/684">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► percent last week in the context of the of the iWatch and I hope it's I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/688">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► it's not called that because it the name is already starting to sound stupid in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/695">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► my head and it probably means all those trademark application and i thought i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/698">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► published it too and MacBook terrible so I really do hope that that if this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/703">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► exists it's either a very small scale thing at first like the Apple TV now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/711">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► which is like you know everyone's so excited about something for TV and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/717">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► release the Apple TV as we know it today which is like okay it's nice but it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/721">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► pretty small scale problem-solver and and so if they would make a watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/725">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► could be that right it could just be doing things that are very similar to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/730">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► what the people on the other things like that do now which is basically show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/735">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► notifications on the watch and and maybe having some minor sensors like a like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/738">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► fit better FuelBand equivalent but not doing a whole lot else not having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/743">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► microphone for Siri you know maybe maybe they had those things later on but just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/748">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► starting out with a nice simple problem said they can do really well with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/752">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► and have great battery life and not be as giant bulky thing on your wrist not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/757">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► look ugly not look like a loner convention happening on your wrist and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/762">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► and just do that really well I hope that's what they do because i dont you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/766">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► looking at everything else all the things they could possibly that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/770">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► all these crazy transformative ideas it seems like for a lot of them they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/773">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► extremely bad old practical or technological restrictions that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/779">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► really prevent them from being good yeah I think about the i watch the more I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/783">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► keep coming back to I feel like the only way it's going to be really in trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/788">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► and I still think the only way it's gonna be really interesting is if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/793">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► aggregates sensors in a new and clever way let me give you a couple examples in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/796">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► the original iPhone as opposed to having hit to hit a button to rotate the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/800">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► from portrait to landscape it added an accelerometer in order to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/805">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► automatically in order to prevent sheik dialing somebody or cheek hanging up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/809">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► someone had a proximity sensor in order to turn off the display and turn off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/816">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► touch input when the thing is up against your head and maybe that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/821">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► aggregation strictest sense but I feel like taking sensors that we have today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/825">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► like a Fitbit or something like it and taking either new sensors are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/829">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► existing sensors in and putting that data together in a new and interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/833">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► way that's what I feel like an iWatch would do that with differentiated but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/836">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► how specifically I don't have the faintest idea that Samsung would do it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/841">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► watch copy they would make it so that when you used the same site iPad equip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/845">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► you can wave your hand in front of it without actually contacting the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/853">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► to do gestures because it would have to be there to do things sort of like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/856">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► with a single device but once you have two of them yet to sort of start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/861">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► thinking like Nintendo ok 12 cents on my wrist and the screen over here and if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/864">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► wave my hand this is you know that the sensor can recognize my jesters without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/869">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► me physically interacting with the other device and use it you know that type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/874">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► thing I assume Apple would pass on most things like that because non-contact you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/877">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► nice feeling but guaranteed Samsung would do it just because it's possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/885">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► they seem to try everything is technically possible at Rideout shipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/889">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► on divisive people like me to do you know when he launched but it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/893">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► most recent one the s3 as far but whatever it so whatever the most recent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/898">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► one was a member of the end and it had the cover featured had the tilt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/903">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► scrolling and all those all these crazy things get the eyeball tracking to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/907">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► when you're looking at the video like you know if we can do it if it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/910">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► anybody I mean we heard a lot about those when it was launched I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/914">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► heard a thing about them or actually have to be awful because like it if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/918">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► were if they had many of them had passed the threshold into being so reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/922">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► that they really useful they were quickly spread elsewhere but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/927">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► don't see them everywhere else it means that the technology does not quite ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/931">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► so the eyeball thing like if that was reliable enough that it felt better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/934">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► actually having a play pause button would be everywhere but it's not because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/939">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► it's not that reliable yeah well let's go to things that are reliable talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/942">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► about her first monster today it's the transporter is a repeat sponsor any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/947">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► this response are a lot of great shows recently and so you've probably heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/953">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► about this already but we're going to play better anyway it's that good post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/957">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► about to sponsorships so at the transporter is a pretty cool device so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/960">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► the idea is your own kind of like a private cloud storage drive you you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/965">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► this physical device it's a little bit like basically a hard drive enclosure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/972">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► with some cool software network port so here's how this works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/976">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► you you buy this thing from them to get it empty for 200 bucks you put in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/981">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► own two and a half drive or you can get a one terabyte version for 300 bucks for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/986">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► a two terabyte version for 400 bucks and by the way before I forget you can go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/990">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► File Transfer dot com slash ATP look this stuff up and you get 10% off those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/995">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► prices which saves a lot you know its 40 bucks off the two terabyte 110 percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► off by using coupon code ATP in their store let me tell you why you want this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► thing we all use Dropbox and I mentioned last time that you know it really takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► balls for a company whose competing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1016">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► with Dropbox in some way to directly call out Dropbox and say look we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► you use it we're not going to pretend they don't exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► here's what here's how we're different and here's why you might want to use us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► instead or in addition so what this hard drive enclosure that they sell you they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► come to the web service that will relay traffic for you but everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► all your data is stored on that drive it in your possession it in your physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► possession all the traffic if you if you access it from everywhere else you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► do that you can have different transport you and your friend can have on you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► do it like an offsite backup with your friends house your workplace your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► parents house whenever and you can share files of people and you can share photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► of people and all of that is by invitation only you control who sees it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► and what kind of access they have everything is encrypted end-to-end so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► nobody not transporter staff not even listening in the middle and nobody can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► see what you're transferring between the two derives its encrypted end-to-end and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► all you gotta do is buy the drive and then for life you have access to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► Service that relays things on track for you so it does some really awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► cloud-like things sharing and encryption and transfer and mirroring to other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► drive if you want to all these things without having to lock the files up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► someone else's servers and deal with the security implications thereof you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► be required for instance by regulations or by client contract to keep files in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► your possession this makes collaboration so much easier in that kind of situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► so transporter it's easy it's private cloud sharing and their sewing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► you can do it you imagine offsite backup before collaboration lot of people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► I know use it to to send audio files to each other for podcasts obviously a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► whole bunch of other things you can do with it so really end these guys are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► nice they keep sending us free transporters and and it's it's awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► they're they're making this new 2.0 software features the Drobo recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► acquired them so they end and if I to track down to buy extra employees so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► they really know what they're doing historic stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► and it's really a great company to watch great product to use to check out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► transporter gonna file transporter dot com slash ATP and once again use code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► ATP and their story 10% off of their already awesome prices and really it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► it's as easy as sending an invitation to a man you want to share files with or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► you can keep your files private and have everything encrypted an awesome it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► really just a fantastic product and thanks a lot to file transporter casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► you had one of these things indeed it is really nice it really is it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► pretty much exactly like Dropbox but rather than just like you said rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► it's in my possession so if for some reason I ever wanted this stuff not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► be on the internet what not to say that it's on the internet but so to speak if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► I never wanted it to be inaccessible from the internet even by myself I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► removed the Ethernet jack and suddenly there's nothing anyone can do to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► it now granted the NSA's re read all of it anyway but in principle they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► well now I'm saying at at the before this point the NSA has read everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► but once I removed the internet jack there's nothing they can do to read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► shy of coming to my house please don't come to my house if they're already in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► your house casey Cumz they probably had sex yet it's it's a great concept it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► great device and you know I'm a big fan I've written about a lot recently I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► big fan of owning your own stuff online of being control of everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► ensure there there's a place for Dropbox but there's there's a lot of situations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► where you feel a lot better having your own stuff plus I mean two terabytes on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► Dropbox cost you know there's there's a custom pics here too and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► transporter they have they have software that integrates with Mac OS that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► provides a lot of the same conveniences as a Dropbox offer you have the folder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► integration defined integration the share links everything that all of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► but with it with a drive you control it it really is fantastic it's a great idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► for a product and I'm very very happy that they made it alright so moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► along thanks transporter John you mentioned last week in the after show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► strange ways that real people use iOS I was wondering if you could explain that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► the recent vacation to see family since the last time I visited it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► all them got iPhone 4 S's for less expensive iPhone didn't see any iPhone 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► and I noticed a little bit of the wEDC strange ways that other developers use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► iPhones but seeing how regular people use them because they don't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► that have any circle of people that to give them sort of the social norms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► how you use an iPhone and here's the thing that I noticed right away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► first thing and thus the monostable as well as I didn't see anybody filled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► their screens with icon springboard screens and up until very recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► everyone I saw their screens because your first green utility icon said when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► you read a review go to your second screen in Philly from top to bottom and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► icons and so on and so forth right and that is sort of the correct me if I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► wrong but that's more or less D the social norm of how you configure your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► iPhone and that he did you see what I was gonna say that's the normal though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► will use myself as an example of odd way and then on way that people use their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► iPhone for whatever reason and I read this somewhere and I am trying to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► out where I read this but I copied from someone on the internet that on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► first home screen only their first home screening of you what are you ok so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► on Marcos first home screen he leaves the row above the doc blank and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► know why that rang true with me but I was thinking oh that's a really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► idea so on my first and only first home screen I have the bottom row blank but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► on every other screen of which there are generally a total of three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► I use up every every single spaced and that's not something I started seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► people intentionally leaving blank rows on on on the last page and then like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► even having an on the first Asian my question I guess we're both using your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► during this is why why do you have a black robe of your doc on the first page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► well I have a whole complexity of my system also but which I was 7 makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► awesome actually but the main reason why I have always done that was that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► the very first iPhone like what version 1.0 before ABS had I believe one icon in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► the bottom row or none but always when I was used to like a nice like kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► neutral swipe area to swipe between the two screens where its Web anywhere you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► can but like it's like it's like a reliable area like you know you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► swipe their not accidental launch something something bad has happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► anyway so so so there's that there was that kind of legacy reason other than it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► looks better it looks a lot less crowded and I also the bottom was always like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► where my appt in progress which is usually Instapaper would go and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► because it at first like in the early versions of the SDK I think every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► you install the app on the phone it would move it to the default next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► application or something like that which is always right there something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► that anyway there were some reason the development of wild always have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► Instapaper and back for free in the bottom row by themselves in the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► half it was clear the other thing I do this weird that I recommend to anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► who want to try this I used to back when after first came out I would have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► these different pages of apps and it just sucked once voters came out I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► decided to do a different system which I don't like folders I think they're very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► clumsy 22 internally and actually I was seven unless because they hold less per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► screen you you at least you have pegged borders now so photos have way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► total capacity but it moved from showing what was it before 12 which are three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► I think you're right so when I was sick I believe it should be the 12 or 16 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► icons in a folder and well and are you a short phone like that anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► 16 on the right ok so is every Aug but on an iOS 7 check here just to make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► I'm get this right I believe you only get nine this is just this is not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► NDA of course yes only get nine per per folder screen and you can have multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1554">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► screens that said but it ends up that like you know getting into the folder is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► already an extra tap and so to have to a page through phone are only seeing nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► of the time is kinda clumsy have no neutral swipe area inside folders what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► that's a great question I don't know I just launched accidentally all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► but what I do is my very first page I keep configured mostly the way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► original iPhone always was configured with everything in roughly the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► spots if I have like a really awesome preferred replacement Apple put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► the same spot the apple of his two goals like for example use solver incident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► calculator and social ver is the second row right most spot for me because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► that's because it was believed the original iPhone anyway and so on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► first pictures no folders on the second page that's all the folders go and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► can have individual icons also the second page for all folders go and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► only have those two pages which is really honestly great I love having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1615">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► switched to a 22 page only standard because you always know like you always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► know where you are you on your first page you're not it's very very very easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► and all the things that you want to like dairy for occasional use can go in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► of the folders in the second page and with iOS 7 now now the folders can hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► so much more in total you can at least say like you know I used to have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► games new games new games to test like three different folders for games cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► they went off in one and now you have one and I you know I have a folder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► called like prayer and utility in a unanimous have a rare you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► there's anyway I I highly recommend it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► doing a two-screen only set up and use it as many voters you need to add a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► second screen to to do that it really is awesome in the iPad even just one page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► that which is even better just to confirm that fun to do it exactly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► that nothing thank God they moved spotlight I i love that change I seventy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► moved spotless and you have to pull it down from the top it's no longer like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► springboard page the far left I think one of the stupidest things in in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► iOS was when you were on the home screen if you tap the home button that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► a shortcut to go over to the spotlight screen and that so many times I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► accidentally did that and I've seen other people do it even more and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► joining me from your regular people experience how many times did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► accidentally hit the home button too many times I see that a lot but I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► think it's kind of like people have the home button when they want to go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► the beginning and they understand that concept if they're ready at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► beginning in the hit it again it probably means that they want to go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► backer to the more beginning her and basically like they can't find what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► they're looking for they're not just bring me back to like the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► beginning and throwing the search field in their faces like oh alright well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► guess I can type here is a kind of know what the name of the thing is I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► so it's kind of like the course of the last resort used you press this button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► because obviously you're not finding what you think you're supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► funny but we've already brought you to the place this button press takes you so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► by pressing again you're saying no I'm still not satisfied here as last resort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► but you know for me personally it's just frustrating when accidentally hit ignore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► notice I'm on the first green or something but for other people have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► wonder if it's not an OK thing and I kind of like the fact that it was till [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► after the home screen especially like the way they did but the little icons at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► the bottom of this to settle for most people with a little dot icons right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► when you're on the first page there is one more . but it's not a dot it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► tiny tiny just adorable so I can I don't look at your iOS device no no you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► right and and that that was a nice touch but I just I have personally I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► witnessed so many accidentally indications of spotlight but I double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► that I have to imagine that's not worth it at 74 experienced years or so I hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► so for people using the iPhone was not just leaving a row blank but wiping out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► every single icon except for one row for on the top and i wanna evensong one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► person's phone was one row for on the top on the first home screen page all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► folders and everything else basically deleted it wiped out and do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► fun like multiple pages where you go to the next page one row for the top maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► not all folders maybe all folders and only a couple pages maybe three or four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► pages only one of the top and of course the dock on the bottom because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► know if they knew how to get things out of there whatever and you know before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► spoke to these people I just saw their devices are saw them using them what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► why why why would you ever do that doesn't make any sense like unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► they're in the stairs following the market for Las Vegas need a massive safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► region despite but that wasn't looking for 60 after speaking to them the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► they're doing this can you guys guess before I reveal it to do think it saves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► battery life or otherwise is related to sophisticated Casey I don't even have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► the fan because they want to make sure that the space for the expanded folder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► know that's a good 100 cause yeah it's because they put a picture on their wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► paper and then one another and the pictures like the top part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► pictures just background like trees or whatever but the faces are in the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► part and people with pictures people had pictures that were purposely like my ass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► to lower parts of the people's faces were lower down to get to where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► want to see their wanna see the people's pictures that make something like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► know adding more they added an iOS four or five and ability to have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► wallpapers instead of just a black background that you know better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► unforeseen side effect of giving people the ability to put a picture in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► background is that they're gonna wanna see it and they're going to clear out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► they don't want some icon sitting on top of their kids head just gonna move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► those things out of the way and 13 left with is a screen with nothing on it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► the the bike for falters at the top of like when you only have one row of icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► use what you still want some minimum now set to be a page 10 then just shove it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► all the folders incredibly inefficient makes no sense to me but that's how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► choose to use their phones and just goes to show that features have unforeseen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► side effects and the way you think people will use your devices are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► different from the way though use it in real life because they have very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► different concerns so I was I was fascinated to see this common pattern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► and and the opening of this I could occur guess is that the people to delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► everything off the phone they could possibly because they don't know what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► is like a good that you can't delete the phone up and stuff because if you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► they would and then wonder why they can't we all know that you can't believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► you later and stuff like that may be okay okay let those go people just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► you know by now ideas for things like everything else out there so solutions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► to move a US Marine Matt I would have predicted in have seen before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► don't tell about parental controls oh yeah that's the thing with the settings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► italy did settings and I get these are the same people like one person really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► was annoyed about the weather channel on their new television service possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► you have an iPhone 28 Brazilian weather apps fine when do you like but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► no doubt about whether you'll have the weather forecast right there like even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► out something like dark sky whatever saying like if you if your home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► obsession is when it's going to ram is out like real-time radar like we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► the technology that's better than you know watching the weather channel wading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► through commercials and weather reports various for you don't live or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► happened to going to the TV room trying to TV I prefer to see it on TV I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► someone talking to me even though it involves watching commercials and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► watching whether for their towns that are not your town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► and like that's that's crazy but you know what happens I will say dark skies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2034">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► to one of those things that can blow the minds of any normal person I try I try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► to show them but it's not like not impress I want I want to other person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► and TV talking about I want that human touch anyway the Dropbox thing we do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► I think of more later but the to the two big ones where the home screen so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► can see the picture and getting all the application of the home screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► indeed totaled only being unimpressed by applications that is not just whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► been any kind of applications like things that we all know that you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► with your phone that you know you know you could do XYZ responding now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► doesn't seem to be on now did you see a lot of people force quitting apps for no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► good reason as I still see that constantly what they're really scary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► partners in seven I don't know how much this is public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► tread lightly and iOS 7 is actually a really good reason to remove apps from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2094">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► the multi task switcher now they have it in the movies you want to get in to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► them out of there so they're not in your ways you don't you know no that's not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► there is well that's i mean that's part of for some people but in 790 a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► background and stuff I don't know I don't know this public or not well let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► see anybody cares the new background and stuff and seven up here and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► background if your app has been removed from the switcher it does not do that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► you can't get back on updates which is a change since iOS 6 2006 even like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► the newsstand content available things go through no matter what but in seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► if you're after moving the switcher you don't get any background wake up types [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► you can still get push notifications at work the user by your app will not run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► in the background at all if you've been removed so there actually is a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► substantial reason to to manage or not manage things and that's what you're now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► so come to think that means that all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► well informed people who are constantly clearing out what is now they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► multitasking tray are actually kind of shooting themselves in the foot because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► now all of their apps that are not running in the background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► won't get up while running in the background so to speak aren't getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► updates and they're actually demands that they were already demonstrably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► analyzing their own experience but now it's even worse there's even more reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► not to do that or just this is all just a sliver like it's it's this that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► they're the people who knew her techniques in all the details then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► there's the aspirational technology know enough to force quit and then there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► the vast majority people who have no idea about holding your finger to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► the little red thing and who will continue to have no idea but swiping up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► to get rid of those icons because it's not there's nothing that indicates that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► that's possible just like this nothing that indicates that you can press and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► hold on the multi task switcher and I think I had to think that the vast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► majority people never use either one of those features and the phone as manager [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► for them it was just this fringe of the people who know enough to be dangerous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► there right the power users how are you saw it the most dangerous users to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► support or for anybody freights departments for developers for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► themselves they just always like the worst ideas of support because power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► users they know enough to cause trouble and or or to cause headaches for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► themselves or others but usually not enough to really fix things if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► break them or or have a really great environment and and their usual ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► that are most susceptible to superstition and and myths and when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► heard a lot of reports that geniuses quote unquote geniuses were telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► people to force quit everything under the Sun because that makes your iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► run faster which is just patently wrong even in iOS 6 that's just wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► right well and again geniuses many of them are this type of person the power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► user who like you know they know enough to have that job that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► necessarily mean that they know the details of how iOS works and why why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2276">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► that's a bad idea why that does or doesn't do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► and almost any like I T person that you're but you're likely run into any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► kind of department that almost all of them are the type of this type of user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► there's there's some really good ones that know a lot more but most people ran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► into in this kind of context are like the nose on to be dangerous power user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► and that's one of the reasons why all these crazy myths like defragging long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► after that was all that mattered all these crazy miss get propagated and live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► on because it's all these power users saying you know oh well it's easy to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► this and this and this every day to keep your phone cleaner whatever and then and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► you know it nothing bad ever happens if you do that so you can ski propagating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► you know your platform has arrived when you get one of those who had a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► sequence of them I think we're building the desktop but yet sapping the pier and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► you had all those things and then like this pakistan got repairing permissions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► and then I S I guess the first was the first one that I got was the force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► quitting out so when I know I believe so I was like one of the first things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► could do as kind of like an amateur system administrator for your phone it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► was like there's not much else you can do there is no iOS defect although there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► are you know there have been like crazy scanner app in the App Store like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► maximize your battery life and stuff like stuff like that and I i was wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► you read description you finally got well it's actually just like it's a joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► after officially or its educational only orders has like list of tips and tricks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► that you supposed to do but there's a lot of apps even in the top lists as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► lot after selling really well that are basically scams preying on this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► mythology of a napkin can pressure memory on iOS or can speed your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► number save your battery life and a somebody in the chat I shouldn't share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2396">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► this person's name just to be safe again from working in the Apple store at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► Apple Store the company would send out numerous memos reminding us that force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► quitting everything under the Sun was wrong but some of my colleagues would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► practices themselves which is kind of sad but that's the nature of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► superstition you know you can't be convinced by presentation of evidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► the whole point of superstition right and it's and it's one of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► that spread so easily into things like well if you do them nothing bad really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► happens and you can't really tell if anything good happens because its sooo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► too small the difference if it works you don't need the federal just need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► believe I think that's a reference I was in the marine years so this episode is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2439">TS</a>]
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00:41:35 ◼ ► audible but I bet you it is I was asked recently what my favorite movie is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► you bear with me for a second my favorite movie if I had to pick just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► is probably the Hunt for Red October and you can judge me on that I won't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► offended but it's actually based on a Tom Clancy book also curiously enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► called The Hunt for Red October and the book as with almost every book that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► ever been written that was eventually turned into a movie is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► considerably better than the movie so I would recommend the hunt for October if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► you're into political thrillers based in the early to mid nineteen eighties when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► we still hated russia and russia still hated us awesome thanks a lot to audible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2525">TS</a>]
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00:42:17 ◼ ► asked me if I pick you have a pic to save it for the next alright save it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► so moving along the israeli much to talk about this Dropbox thing actually I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► don't know if you're being sarcastic or not but I thought there was no I'm so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► tired of platforms really I mean do we really need another platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► well I mean its existing platform as Steve Jobs apartments feature but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► Dropbox exist as a popular in the reason we are interested in their Davis or at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► least Im interested in this story prize because it's from Dropbox people already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► have Dropbox accounts already paid for Dropbox many applications already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2575">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► integrated with Dropbox using existing API for file storage so that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► advantage that many many other things they're supposedly gonna start your crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► do not have right even you know even Google made Google com oversight ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► right but then how many applications already integrated with Google data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► stores like it's a it's a bigger hurdle overcome his Dropbox like you're already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► there you're absurd already talking to it this is basically the equivalent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► instead of just documents doc iCloud storage it's like their equivalents kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► of sort of not really cordis think we're here hope you're not just storing files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► your story something that's not just a linear stream of bytes in a single named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► entity right that's where the similarity and scored eight assists holder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► percent objects tour thing and this is much simpler this is you know basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► scandalous fields with and basically tables so table and his records records [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2635">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► of an idea that mean value pairs and you can do one small level nesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► underneath that and that's it i I look at these things i think is interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► to see how are they going to offer like they're definitely not going the core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► data room where they say just use your objects in memory and will magically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► synchronize them and it with the persistent across all these applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► and you can just the rest your application just behave as if memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► make everything work it's not quite doing you can just you know sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► speak to a database over a wire and will do updates as I guess every resident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► between they want you to be able to store records in this thing and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► notified when there are changes to the Reds his records and but they don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► you to have to implement your own conflict resolution this is where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► rubber meets the road like what if I do different things at different price of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► the line they come back to changes what do I do to sort things out and looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► at their documentation briefly it seems like your choices are minimal all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► conflict resolution seems to be automatic choices like biggest and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► smallest value wins some of value wins and that's about it doesn't help me if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► I'm trying to synchronizing address book you know those policies seem like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► local versus for most wins I didn't even seem to be any date stamping type things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► in there you could tell which one happened at a different time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► synchronization and complication that so I'm not sure what target audience this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► thing is but like any kind of service they're real proof is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► reliable is it fast and is it easy to program for in a way that doesn't block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► my application when you know the change don't come in and in that respect it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► looks like it has some advantages over iCloud coordinator wade existed in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► you don't you don't need to be online for changes to take effect locally and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► remote changes can come in whenever they want so you shouldn't be blocking as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► long as you can write your local disk and even read from your local disk so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► that's good yeah there were i I also looked at the API in the documentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► and there are a couple of things that that piqued my interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► firstly in this is outside of the documentation quite obviously dropbox is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► cross platform and let's suppose for the sake of argument that even core data and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► iCloud worked flawlessly which is a pretty funny thought just to begin with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► well it's still Apple centric and even though I speak for all three of us and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► saying we're all in on Apple platforms not everyone is like that we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► about that earlier in this very episode and so dropbox is cross platform which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► is really nice so if I was psychotic enough to want to write not only an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► app on Android app I could presumably use this Dropbox did a story epi in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► additionally like you mentioned John it's not Street sequel and while core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► data you'll get smacked on the rest if you call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► database it isn't a database just like you said some object persistence or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► object graph persistence mechanism in the generally speaking behind the scenes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► its sequel lighters SQLite or whatever crap its must be pronounced as well as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► this like you said John is his own little more flexible than that which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► obviously there's lots to that and that could be bad but generally speaking it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► nice but the other thing that was really interesting is they have a datastore web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► inspector and I glanced at it very very quickly and it appears that even regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► people not even necessarily developers can go in and inspect the datasource [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► stores associated with their Dropbox account and I think that's both very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► good and arguably maybe not so good because it allows developers to go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► and see exactly what tables and records and things are stored in their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► Dropbox but that also gives some amount of visibility for user now it is read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► only through through this web interface but it's still more visibility then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2876">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► may want now to argue with myself briefly maybe that's a good thing after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► all in the sense that if somebody storing a bunch of data that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► want them to store I could go see that and then remove that out but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► know it just freaks me out for the idea of users seen exactly how on persisting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► data well that's good because then you could shame people who start plaintext [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► passwords and stuff you know go and see it as they can see your story my whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► address book or hey this is my plain text whatever service never know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► it's interesting I reason to put that Lincoln [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► in the show notes that is interesting that they launched with that of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► of course is going to be web interface to see how do you develop an application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► if you don't have visibility into what we're doing the datastore and their and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► their Davis stories so much simpler like it is it is just very simple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► primitive compared to the amazing record is supposed to be doing for you mike is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► no schema name value pairs lists you know you're gonna get notification is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2936">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► something change will give you a list of record ideas you figured out on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► whatever like it's really primitive and things are kind of annoying to dinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► yet to write all your own logic to deal with these you know the updates and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► stuff but it's easy for developers to understand in time and again but proved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► to be much more important than the amazing framework especially doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► work right the amazing framework is awesome thanks to you versus the simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► one that doesn't do as much for you but what it does do is easily understandable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► any developer and that gives even like a novice or mediocre developer fighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► chance of using your API to do useful work because maybe the using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► inefficiently maybe they have the right kind of called themselves but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► conceptually the way it works is like you know it is simple enough they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► wrap your head around it so they never get themselves into a situation where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► they have no idea what's going on they just perhaps make an efficient code so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► you know her but look at their performance and and how reliable the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► services and stuff like that but I think they have a big layup and everyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► in movies are already all have Dropbox accounts I am I think the first five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► megabytes per application that use does not count towards your Dropbox quota so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► we just want to use the Starlight preferences or small knots estate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► information are you using this data storage that doesn't count towards a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► drop box code enforcement you go over that then you start using the person's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► drop a quarter which is great for Dropbox because then eventually if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► you're free user limit because using application customer and so virtuous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► cycle so I'm cautiously optimistic about this now what are the implications for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► Apple because one could argue that this season iCloud but according to iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► but not done by Apple and hopefully actually functional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► so does this light a fire under Apple's keister and make them make court date on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► iCloud actually work or do you think they don't care they don't care i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► there are people there who do care obviously and people who were on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► team obviously do care quite a bit and are working their butts off I assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► however you can simply look at what Apple does look at the results you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3055">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► tell that iCloud is really seen as an accessory and the company and especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► the iCloud developer API is the same KPI's and stuff that Apple themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► barely uses for their own apps you can look at that stuff and you can very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► see this is like this is not a very high priority for the company again you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► so I'm sure it's a very happy for people working on it but you can tell that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► not getting the resources it needs a second priority it needs because look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► the last year not much has really changed and the WWDC keynote didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► a section of the keynote we can talk about whether they said what their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► policy about iCloud cordero was going forward that was not in the keynote baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► was in the state of the union member well they they mentioned in the state of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► the union but we can talk about but I believe it's safe to say that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► basically said like give us another shot in as many words but I I just don't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► any we we see this with almost all of Apple's online services especially the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► ones that Apple themselves doesn't really rely on very much we see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► they just don't really put that much effort into them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► well you know even ones that are ostensibly flagship features like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► messages like that's that's apples applications and important that by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► application it obviously got attention because it was messy redesign it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► doesn't perform its basic functions in every level matters even when Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► totally using like nothing that you like or don't know what he uses but the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► is that it uses an online service that Apple informants and it is a flagship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► application and it is the stores work so that's their them using it is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► guarantee that their online services worker but it certainly helps but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► just seems like you know Apple still has a lot of that tunnel vision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► that they are infamous for wear something gets a whole lot of attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► but then everything outside of the immediately obvious first interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► thing that they're working on it gets pretty neglected for a while and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► know it's it's still a sign of of Apple being a smaller company then there than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► their success and their money and their their sales and their presence would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► indicate that they still are very small company was very small teams relative to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► all the stuff they do and so how they prioritize their resources it still is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► very much a a zero sum game with them like they don't just had a brand new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► team to address brand new things are doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► move people around and be paradise other things to prioritize certain things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► they don't just like by more people out of nowhere and they have the street [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► department all the sudden and you know we've talked in the past about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► Google is so good at just applying way more brute force engineering to problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► than Apple usually does especially the services area and I just don't see any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3235">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► evidence of Apple changing that anytime soon so anything like this that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► basically a major online service that's really tricky to get right and has lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► of substantial designed tricks technical challenges and and service challenges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► and big data challenges I don't see Apple ever doing well as a Apple making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► life harder here by Dropbox has chosen to make it simpler AP I like it it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► less stuff for you in this just simply write much simpler than I got caught in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► a far far simpler right so that gives them a fighting chance of getting it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► work correctly having a small API to developers can pick up and it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► philosophical difference between the team that is responsible for doing these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► kind of services for Apple philosophically apartment like look they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► already had carded a people already have court in applications where you gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► hey we want your applications to work with iCloud but core data doesn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► with iCloud so rewrite your thing to use something more like the Dropbox Inc API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► a tough sell back when you know I clog court it was introduced by Russell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► excited but I have a court application and they tell me more like I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► if you told them okay well you don't have to throw out or did it and use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► new API that totally unlike korda much simpler you have to do a lot more coding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► to get it to work but trust us that the telephone companies know you're a price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► have to be small simple and semantically you know easy to understand because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► that's that's the way to do it you if you try to make something big and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► complicated your API is gonna be big and complicated on on the client side and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► service going to be really hard to implement and efficient manner in scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► and all those other things so don't do that but Apple is so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► sticking to their guns and seeing where they do have key-value store in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► they could enhance key-value store over the course of a year to make we make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► matches Dropbox API and remove all their stories limits could tell you stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► really just return the data and they would have it the equivalent of this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► by all accounts key-value store doesn't work products is simpler to do less stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3357">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► for it but they know we want to we want to make it work magically over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► internet and it's a big complicated AP I would like to court cases both on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► client and the server and if anything goes wrong bad things happen and we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► more debugging tools and it really hard problem and the size of the teams to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► Dropbox date API is probably like one tenth of the people who are trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► the core data thing and yet they'll probably do more successful because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► chose it as something simpler now they the only thing that I wonder if I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► see specifically noted in the API documentation is it what about sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► so I keep coming back to my example of sharing a grocery list with my wife and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► it seems like the this Dropbox datastore epi would be perfect for it except that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► I didn't see any mention of sharing but maybe I'm mister Johnson yup notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► anything I think it's kind of like just a datastore for your application right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► it shared tonight user on multiple devices but not really great service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3415">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► that you know well there is there is a JavaScript API as well and I i haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► verified this happened I would assume you could use that like maybe from Notre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► or the other server-side JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► interpreters so you could probably run this server side with job with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► terms that you still need to like authenticate as you to get a datastore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► so if I authenticate is me and my cassini cases downstairs I guess you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► could come in on some of the service then write like if you are on your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► web service that that used this I would imagine you could you can whip that up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► you know you could just have have a few pages that they do that you know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► the authentication for you and and you authenticate your own people who's who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► gonna see what although if you go through all that you might as well just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► have your own sync service on your server yeah I mean that's what it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► like it but since they have sharing for their file AP I i mean this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3475">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► like their version one right so maybe the next version they add you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► obviously they know about sharing the to have some means for you take the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► file and shared amongst many people and revoke sharing and and all that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► stuff it seems like that would have to come for these days or so they haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► checked out in like you have a datastore datastore have tables tables have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► records they could do the sharing it probably the datastore table level and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► it wouldn't be crazy but maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► yeah I doubt it but I give this two thumbs up I think this is definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► well tentative two thumbs up I think this is definitely a good start if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► actually works I think it's a very simple yet at the same time with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► were saying John kind of robust way of syncing data that's a very low cost of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► entry both financially and in terms of effort and so I think this is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► cool and although I'm not sure I disagree with you guys in that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► it also makes me wonder especially if adoption is really high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► well but I I hope in and I wonder that if adoption of this Dropbox datastore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► epi is really high if Apple start to pay attention and really do something about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► iCloud and and iCloud in CoreData I should also say that I I know that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► was a session or two about iCloud in CoreData at WTC but I've not yet watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► know if that was just Apple groveling I don't know if perhaps I was seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► there's going to be massive improvements I truly honestly don't know but those of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► you who do have a developer account should go check it out and I should take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► my own advice on that issue I've seen those sessions and there is news to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► had there interesting thing you didn't mention to tie back to top shows what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► news reader decide to use Dropbox datastore as its sync service obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► you can use it to get your feeds for you and give you your content but just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► keeping track of which things you read and haven't read seems like a fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► ideal you know so you don't wanna make someone sign up for your own service you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► want to use the account that they already have that they pay for you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► have to run the servers you just have to store some state information about last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► red state and articles of marked read and favorited a referendum edited you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► want to keep its basically you know you make up the data story that you want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► still might need to service to federal your feeds into all that stuff but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► this other part of it for synchronizing which things are red and even just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► having the applications themselves that's the future I know thats torturous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► but in the old days that's what things you should do it how about town using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► the newswire now it's possible this is this could be a piece of people you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► reading it be I need anything more than that what if you mix that with this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► background and stuff where it could be a nice combination I agree with what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► think about the same Marco and that I don't know if that's really sustainable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► but it's a very interesting approach I might my big thing with it is that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► your gonna run if your gonna be having like feed singing and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► there's a lot of advantages to running your own service for to do that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► there's only things you can do in the background when the app isn't running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► but you can also won the biggest industries in particular is parsing them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► and and you running into people's weird malformed feeds like it you know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► can if you can adjust your partners on the server side immediately and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► that apply to everything for everyone immediately instead of having to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► unto them into an app update and ship the updater have some kind of weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► system you have like server-side definitions of what the Apple interpret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► to add new things it can do to accommodate some reason you feat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► condition there there certainly are a lot of reasons but readers in particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► 22 still have a service plus now we have like 15000 reader services and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► what I was thinking of is to say you make a reader at and you want to let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► people pick from the umpteen other reader services that are gonna do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► feat parsing for you that right but you also want to add value in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► application you and you also want so you have awesome ideas for features but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► three out of the four things that you support for you know Iration during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► don't support the speeches you need some layer on top of that to add your own you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► enhancements so I may be one of them you know three and four don't support like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► favoriting or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► well you can store information about your favorites where do you want to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► a full service now you could but if it's simple enough you could just use Dropbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► has your back and you know Dropbox iCloud or two possible options like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► value story I wrote about how much do you have to enhance that the back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► otherwise you're forced to do with the lowest common denominator of all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► services so one of the folders or something like well I guess I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► support for older kids where would I could track my fault as well keep track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► just synchronizes on iOS devices I club but i wanna have a web version blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► blah well there's the Dropbox data so that's what I'm thinking like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► enhancement layer so that your application can be better than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► umpteen services it supports maybe but then they also has a problem with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3775">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► particular there's the problem then of like you only get that benefit if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► use that application on all your devices that you browse feeds from and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► only get like it if not newswire adds features that only work in that newswire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► then you have to use net newswire on Mac and iPhone and iPad as you if you refuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► all those places to go but if you use feedback has your back and then you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► use any iOS device supports feedback and get you won't have those fancy features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► but maybe you like a different reader better on the other platforms and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► presumably you like it better you know for whatever reasons but you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► tired you're not like nursing and then you're not actually tied to the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► the basics lowest-common-denominator sinks everywhere because everyone the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► your third party service and the basics are not on particular platform you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► enhancements and if they do a good enough job with their clients maybe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► want to use those enhancements platforms like you know like basically you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► saying all have different readers into a platform that means that either the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► reader is unavailable for the platforms or water may be ahead different feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► desire someone from a different Peter desires then you don't care that those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► enhancements that using your Mac dark elsewhere but if you do care about these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► awesome features in the not quite what you want to use the iOS version of us so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► you know nothing is nothing is going to give you everything you want which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► don't give me lowest-common-denominator features give me my choice of readers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► every single platform synchronize everything between them that's never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► gonna happen because it's just not it's like it's not a solvable problem so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► have to pick and choose I think this this type of solution where you use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► common back and furloughs come down a fraction howdy and then individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► applications are free to enhance the front and using some other service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► that's that's pretty close to two ideal you know I guess that it causes weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► issues in other ways though like for instance let's say it was shipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► newswire and uses you know feat band or feed Wrangler or any other services or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3894">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► it can use them and then you're saying where it uses some other back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► whether it's their own a Dropbox whatever to add bigger things to it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► then let's say feed been freed Wrangler add to their own services that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► capability and another client sadly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► newswire than a top that because then they're removing the competitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► advantage they have over other features its relations like that if people really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► do this once we get real numbers though they'll be like look ok and its support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► for these five back end but in reality ninety percent of users use these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► back and so right away I can eliminate those in the back and some having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► support them as kind of a pain as well as different backgrounds and other two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► remaining features actually some of the stuff out including myself is available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► in both of them I think mall developers would be happy to say oh great well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► two remaining ones I support have this feature so I can shift it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► onto them but there's always a tension between how much of the value of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► application is reliant on the value with third-party service that I don't control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► and it's great that you can have different clients in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3957">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► third-party service but you are just you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► some respects at the at the mercy of that third party service like if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► take away a feature that you are relying on so it's good to have someplace to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► know either if they take away food you can shift it to your backend and if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► had a feature you can take it out of your back and if it is now part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► new lowest-common-denominator you signed to support this is just an unhelpful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► period now because people are supporting as much as they possibly can be done now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► things are going to shake out but I have to think is going to be instead of seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► of them is gonna be like two or three popular ones left standing after a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► and I think actually already seen that shakeout happening now and then I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► published my numbers earlier today from what from what I can get it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► feedly is by far the most popular alternative mostly because it's free and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► I believe it when the only 13 New Glarus second I i think is free but that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► premium features that you can optionally by end users been around forever it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► been around a long are believed it was four years it's been way longer than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► other services have and then feed Wrangler and feed Ben are basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► neck-and-neck they're they're very similar in that they're both paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► services run by very small teams I believe they're both run by single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► people and our people might have to anyway very small teams and and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► there's pretty much after that there's a pretty big drop-off like besides that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► handful like there is literally my list is feebly news blur net newswire clients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► not even using a service fee trailer and Friedman and everything else is is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► less than half of those dropped a drop off pretty quickly and so I think we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► already seeing that very few services are are showing up now that being said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► don't yet have numbers for dig reader or AOL and those are those are pretty I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► i've heard a lot of mentioning those I don't know how they are but we will see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4075">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► new entrance next year as well sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► haven't come out these are the guys who scrambled to get something ready was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► going around and in general they tend to be small people about this some bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► slower moving in today and during this field who knows when they can land [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► something that does this do if they do crazy things whole time and I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► feedly is not likely it feeling is likely to burn out I think because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► they have a very large staff and their free and I assume their venture funded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► as well as a result of all these things and generally companies that are on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► trajectory don't stand in for the long haul their chances are feeling is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► to either shut down or we're more likely get bought by somebody and possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► dramatically change the service as a result you know a year or two later or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► monetize it at some point in the decision is bound to be annoying right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► so I I'm guessing feeling is gonna is going to explode quickly and then burn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4136">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► out and then news blur feed Wrangler and feed Ben I think are all in it for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► long haul and we'll see what happens with that mean and I'm sure it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► gonna be a free option from somebody that gets popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► thats feely RA weller dick I don't know I don't know it's gonna be like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► year but I bet this March services that are run by individuals and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► sustainable business models will will last long time especially newport has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► already been around for like four years so obviously like that's a stable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► product right so we'll see I was pleased to see though that your subscriber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► numbers didn't plum in by virtue of Google Reader going away and and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► we all kind of figured that would be the case especially for for a site like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► market or well I think that there was hope at the very least and from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► archive.org which caters to nerds I think you perhaps are seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► kind of outside of the normal case situation wearing you'll get a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4196">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► subscribers moving to other platforms because we're all nerds I'm curious to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► hear for something more mainstream say like a CNN or something like that how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► things change because that's not catering to nerds its catering to normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► humans you who may or may not care that's true that's not really true like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► my wife uses RSS in a very odd indeed in a very different way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► transitive property of nerdiness his bride anni 90 regular people that use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► but your point it's it's very very frequently a nerd that even has any idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► what our senses and it's not very regular to see to hear a regular person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► talk about it I don't know I mean these numbers shirt big you know a guy I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► like RSS is one of the things that I'm sure I'm sure it's much more talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► about and maybe more actively used by nerds and certainly of course is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4257">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► whole class of applications that are powered by powered by our site and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► that use it some other way to clipboard and those tend to do way better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► anything just use RSS kind of Broadway we use it but even if it's just nerves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► there's a lot of nerves like I learned this I learned my apps like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► with the magazine I tried to be less nerdy I I tried to broaden past nerds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► and not only was it harder than I expected but I think that was actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► fatal mistake I think I think it would have done a lot better if I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► just really nail bernhard market massive market and ensure and we are the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► customers in the world because we're picky and were needy and we are entitled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► and Andrew generally smart and we think we're really smart and so we will tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► you how stupid you are for your appt doing certain things are not having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► certain things are breaking in a certain way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► be nerds are really a terrible market to serve however if you are already in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► by being a nerd and you are familiar with it and you can appease the nerve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► market in some small way there sure are a lot of them and I i've always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► served very well by serving the market and never tried to break out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► that's what I've had trouble and I can you know I've done it like Instapaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► was not was not used by all nerds I mean there were a lot that's my support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► emails show there were a lot of regular non nerd type people using Instapaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4355">TS</a>]
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01:13:54 ◼ ► think we should be careful to not not say like oh this is just for nerds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4434">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► john Kasay on RSS it's not so much that there's anything inherently about RSS or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4442">TS</a>]
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01:14:54 ◼ ► embrace web browsers and every single device you own came with a first-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► built by the vendor essential gotta be awesome news reading application people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► would love it people love to use it it's not like they don't like to read news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► but it's because they that they did we didn't get past the critical threshold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► like we did with the web like look if you blind mice better have a web browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► better be good web browser and I don't care that you don't control the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► because we'd customers demanded I would never got there with RSS seemed like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► were closer Apple's adding RSS teleport's things but if we had gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► their people to spend all day and a great way to consume content on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► like it's not that the news reading itself isn't 30 is that the protocol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► didn't break through that barrier and now we're kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► successfully marginalized it and are trying to bring us all to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► platforms to do all the similar things the thing I was going to say also going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► back a step is that the the interesting thing about her is that once you hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4548">TS</a>]
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01:15:58 ◼ ► spend some money on things that make them happy and at least that's the nerds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4558">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► and interact with which granted are all typically Apple users and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► stereotypes are true for a reason or certified stereotypes for reason and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4566">TS</a>]
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01:16:17 ◼ ► for $5 app is the cost of one of marcos beloved Starbucks coffees and so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► they last a lot longer so market catering to nerds is is a lucrative are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4583">TS</a>]
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01:16:40 ◼ ► into some kind of marketable skill right exactly and Sam McGee in the chat is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4600">TS</a>]
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01:19:07 ◼ ► appreciate the solution once they see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4747">TS</a>]
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01:19:33 ◼ ► posts on to the newest social network so you know you you cross post between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4773">TS</a>]
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01:19:42 ◼ ► unlikely to ever have and so that is gonna be limited really only two nerds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► look at something like if this than that I have TTT great site great idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4786">TS</a>]
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01:19:58 ◼ ► desires that mostly only nerves have but things like Twitter itself you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► was something we started out pretty dirty but it you know it's solved a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► problem that a lot of people had just at first was only known about by nerds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► that's the kind of thing that can break out but nothing to do with a Dropbox API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► synchronize my direct message read States ought not to use the Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4817">TS</a>]
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01:20:26 ◼ ► and they didn't actually make an API for that it right so then it's like will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4826">TS</a>]
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01:20:39 ◼ ► not cross platform and a size limitations so just you know you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4839">TS</a>]
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01:20:49 ◼ ► go to town so with regard to titles I don't think I care but I would recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/4849">TS</a>]
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01:23:50 ◼ ► iOS 7 for the new one but the question is when do you release that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5030">TS</a>]
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01:24:04 ◼ ► press attention and Apple features a few trying it out there like the week of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5044">TS</a>]
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01:25:00 ◼ ► like like an iPad launch I've got a new iPad which applications are iPad savvy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► put them on here I really do wonder also though how many people are going to hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► off upgrading 17 because it is so different and certainly there's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► a lot of backlash launches people who want things back the old way and and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► Am I wonder like I don't think it's going to be a big delay for people but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► bet there will be something like you know every every time there's a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► iPhone 4 iOS least especially new iPhone release every time there's some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► stupid Consumer Reports scandal about some part of it that everyone doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5132">TS</a>]
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01:26:51 ◼ ► perspective most kids seem to like it except for the UI change the main change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:55 ◼ ► and there are very few that don't like it so what is there one would like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5215">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► isn't the UI change is no normal 16 year old has any idea what the hell 16 year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► olds don't write articles it's grumpy old men who read our own change and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► everything low of change my blog but I don't know hopefully we're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► through the backlash now and by the time it ships have like brownies to you what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► do you want to pick a time when I do like with john mentioned in passing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► transitive property of nerdiness set to launch like it I do like that as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► you should google that to make sure you have the right word about googling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► embarrassing questions and much better to Google the answers are pretty sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► that's correct I'm pretty sure it's correct to me this is exactly everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► yeah I'm almost 100% certain that correct and yet I double check that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5273">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► why writings vigor view takes forever everything I think I right in there like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► you know five-minute diversion to check some facts 99.9% sure is correct that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► you have to prove it before you can go on and have you ever been wrong about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► anything and that's what kills me you know the one fact that I didn't check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► that I got wrong you know that name in his machine to release that they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► this thing or the prices are $5 because I didn't check because I was just going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► by memory and it just kills me here here's the problem John here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► problem you have is that that retina MacBook Pro Shop Geek bench few days ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► was running Mavericks you see why it's a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► I try to be ready by the first day of fall the middle or end of the first day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► of fall I'm thinking we have two big events we have an iOS event and we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► a Mac event I'm thinking those are separate offense the IAS event happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► later more like the November because I was 7 needs a lot of time seven is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► nowhere near done however I'm thinking that the Mac event might happen as early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► as September and that Mavericks comes out then along with the Mac Pro new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► Retina MacBook Pros and maybe an iMac refresh the Mac Pro just like well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► retina screens are ready so the Mac Pro will have more to say about that later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► in the year give back to the old they can't resist like you know it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► December 19th 2010 like like they're holding in a crowd we all hope their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► holy in with some some understood so they're not that it's like you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► screw the macro without 2012 anyway gotta hire all Americans while the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5392">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► Pro right now the can't release it now because Intel doesn't have the CPUs yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5397">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► the official delivery date of the CPUs September and at the same delivery date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► for many of the parts in volume I believe I'm not sure on that part but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► you know obviously they're holding back the retina MacBook Pro for Mac Pro also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► a story to Mavericks all these new Macs have to wait for Mavericks like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► not going to bother you not gonna bother getting them correctly with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► mountain lion cause there's no big rush enact pro-life people waited so long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► already what's the big deal and same thing with the with the redness but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► also means there were probably not talking November here we're probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► talking September planning on it I'm trying to get well october's after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► September last I checked her now begins the wild card is maybe a mad scramble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► for I was seven which is do or die that it put everybody off everything is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► and then you know and then go back to what you were doing in a versatile a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► just peace because everyone everyone was pulled off to work on iOS them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► they have like that is far from done and they have to get that done well honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► I think they're just gonna ship whatever the hell they have you know in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:16 ◼ ► mid-november whatever is like they're gonna ship it . whatever they have at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5476">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► that point you can do that with iOS 6 and five where they just cut off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► features but like they can have a disaster everyone gets their phones on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► Christmas morning and have some fatal bugs like they just can't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► problem so they have to they have to ship what they have but they also to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► make sure that what they have is stable like does not have any fatal flaws and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► it's really hard to do when you're making him its rambling well they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► already almost at that point the like like a bit between betas 2012 2013 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► is already a significant reduction and reboots and reduction reboots is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► well with three I haven't seen one with two hours about one today with three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5517">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► haven't seen any yet few days so far but I think something like so many things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► know I'm most of the bugs there remain in iOS 7 right now are just like minor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► UI problems like this label disappears or the you know the status bar peers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► rotated in the wrong way on the screen like it's it's minor UI quirks that yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► they suck and they're definitely bugs but that's you know if they ship with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► that it wouldn't be the end of the world crashes and reboots and no failure to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:39 ◼ ► some essential function like convey text messages or synchronized something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5559">TS</a>]
01:32:44 ◼ ► you're getting mailer I mean I I have no doubts that he'll be able to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5564">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► something out there that is stable and doesn't have major bugs like that by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:54 ◼ ► November I suspect that 7.0 is going to have still some weird little edge case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5574">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► you are bugs because there are so many new you eyes and so many of them are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:06 ◼ ► not quite yet but the night the kernel is fine I'm sure like springboard will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5586">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► be pretty much fine you know all the really important stuff the the common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► stuff the underlying stuff that ought to be fine by November it's already almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► fine now one plus I mean everything I've read on Twitter says the Mavericks is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► good to go immediately you know they're ready so even if there's a grant which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► means John you wouldn't say that when I come back to my Mavericks laptop that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► after a night to sleep sleep I go to bed and come down in the morning and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRAtEac/5620">TS</a>]