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00:01:11 ◼ ► least but then German double talk about it would I would just call you and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/71">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► talk alone without jobs that would make him so angry so funny I guess somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/75">TS</a>]
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00:01:28 ◼ ► would you do I mean honestly you'd be so upset I would think I would I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/88">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► actually write a blog post about the angry of a drive you to write a blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/92">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► post now I be so motivated as some of the things I want to write about but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/99">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► it's like a time gotta gotta gotta go back to fretting about my review that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/103">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► true how's it going I'm fretting about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/109">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► well this is not July now I that's why that's why I know that I am writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/112">TS</a>]
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00:02:08 ◼ ► and also thinking maybe to be really short this year I don't know I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/128">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► changing less and less in each release as as their least time has it gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/133">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► shorter right but like I don't know why I have to say I thought I think it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/138">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► be shorter I think that's been the trend because they have been doing last but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/144">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► you never know when I often somewhere tangent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/148">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► yeah maybe knowing you you're probably not going to be the reviews sure I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/151">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► just give you more space and time to expand on things that you would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/154">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► otherwise not gonna not not a time to get to attempt six review I thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/158">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► was going to be super short because like Apple come out front 0 new features like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/162">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► this is gonna be sure of you and it was but it wasn't as sure as I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/166">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► was going to be like you know a few thousand words less it wasn't like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/170">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► whole lot and that's what I think will be sure still below say I don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/174">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► its quantity is not that I just quality I wanted to be interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/178">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► good so concentrate on that assuming I ever finish reading and start writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/182">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► and speaking of shorter things this might be a short episode because we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/186">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► a laundry list of miscellaneous topics but I know how much will actually get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/191">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► you now that I've stated it's a shorter episode were gonna go for two hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/194">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► several buckle up anytime and John and dam would say I'm just going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/199">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► short one of hypocritical I would always immediately take out my phone from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/203">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► know walking the dog and just look at the time stamp and just see how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/209">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► sand it's always like you know a hundred and ten minutes remaining or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/212">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► and I my listeners did a good job and did like statistical regression analysis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/215">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► to see that it was going to be a shorter show it did not in fact make the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/220">TS</a>]
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00:03:51 ◼ ► the statisticians arguing amongst themselves about there was significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/231">TS</a>]
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00:04:29 ◼ ► a new Apple videos that were shown Monday on the keynote Monday they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/269">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► both Monday and the first one was the one that was at the very beginning of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/275">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► the keynote itself and I don't know if it has a title it probably doesn't am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/280">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► not aware of but it was a fairly abstract black-and-white kind of almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/285">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► essay about what Apple does in order to design products and to my recollection I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/292">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► don't remember them ever having started with a video I think we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/298">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► this briefly what upsets ago but they actually started with a video this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/301">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► and I thought was a very interesting video that basically said he listened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/305">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► and the way I interpreted it was you know this is how we do our thing and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/308">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► you don't like it tough nuts and I was curious what you two had to think I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/313">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► to say about that start with another Mac PC ads they start a couple keynotes with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/317">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► those didn't start last year's keynote know the guy at the guy walking in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/323">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► woods who has blocked it was like lights dim everyone you know gets ready to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/328">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► something instead of a person walking out on stage they just play video and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/335">TS</a>]
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00:05:54 ◼ ► where this was not going to share on television but those characters come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/354">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► with a different about this one is it wasn't it wasn't fun wasn't was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/358">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► funny and it wasn't an advertisement using known properties are showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/362">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► progress something it was more like a mission statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/368">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► kind of a statement of philosophy or whatever and I thought I i said i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/373">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► im in the first then the pockets but it right after the keynote that that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/379">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► like ok this is gonna be something big like like when the video begins with in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/383">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► the course of human events like I got Apple is star opening Apple Store on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/389">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► moon and they're like it's going to be something momentous are significant for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/395">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► the company or that maybe they were buying Nintendo like something at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/400">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► level and what followed in the Keno did not live up to that lofty goal and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/403">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► then in hindsight the video was beautifully produced very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/407">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► and contains a lot of you know accurate content about how Apple sees itself and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/410">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► how we see Apple comes off as pretentious because what what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/416">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► released was great and awesome but damn video should have been saved for when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/419">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► do something so you did or did not like I thought as beautiful as nicely done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/427">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► like you understand what he's saying but I feel like it was out of balance like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/434">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► you can't you can't start with that I got my god what is it going to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/438">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► what it is is great but not like you know I don't know maybe when could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/445">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► gotten away with that they get away with it at the original Mac intro and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/450">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► probably the iPhone and that's about it you really think was overblown I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/454">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► think was overblown at all it was a slightly over but not ridiculously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/459">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► overblown but I don't know I wouldn't say I wouldn't say that either end and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/463">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► by the way I should point out the chat room is saying that last year the Serie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/466">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► kind of comedy standup video that was the inter last year wasn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/470">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► yeah they did like little garage man bit like his play well it was like a rimshot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/474">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► series comedy act thanks for that that was the interest anyway I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/478">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► this year's intervideo was overblown overstating the case at all i think im [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/488">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► looking at looking at the keynote as soon afterwards we were all excited and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/494">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► as you said that you know we we all thought was pretty great now you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/499">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► it's with some time for it to sink in and get a little bit less shiny looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/502">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► back on it I still think it was awesome I still think it was a really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/505">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► great keynote was one of the best ones I've had for years and and there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/509">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► there was a lot not only was the energy really great and and the showmanship was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/513">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► really good with the exception of that weird car demo but besides that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/519">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► everything was great what they showed us was also pretty great you know you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/521">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► this this revolutionary change in iOS is this a nice update OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/527">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► mediocre video for scale improvements but you know a nice update and debating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/535">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► with iOS and then like this surprise Mac Pro which most people doesn't matter but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/542">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► to a few people including the three of us it's really interesting and and an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/545">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► extremely surprising plus you know better Air MacBook Airs you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/550">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► it was a really good he know if you can explain your philosophy like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/555">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► that the price they introduced four not out of character for the company or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/560">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► shocking or or like going to knock the industry on its ear or anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/564">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► that and so that's why it's out of bounds a little bit maybe I S seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/569">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► might I think it would be better if you if that video if the video is just on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/573">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► their website it will be fine but using it as a lead-in to introduce a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/577">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► products that more or less everybody expected and you know like that aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/581">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► there are like that the original niagara the iPhone we're just like nobody saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/585">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► that coming and it was a tough field and its parks be these expectations and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/590">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► don't think it's crazy out of bounds just a little bit up and I do think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/594">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► keynote was great I think overall the announcement was great I think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/598">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► very impressive again except for the car thing but you know it's tough to pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/600">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► that off like because you want all the things they said you want to say those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/605">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► things as difficult to save them without sounding a little bit full of yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/609">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► you what you're telling them why you're great and you have to do it in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/614">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► that is insulting and it's very difficult to pull that off and go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/617">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► you can do I think different is kind of similar where think different kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/620">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► pulled it off because there was no attachment wasn't lead into a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/623">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► price just like pure like this is a philosophy of the company and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/626">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► didn't sound pretentious that sounded foolhardy perhaps because like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/629">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► almost went bankrupt you've got nothing what the hell you think you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/633">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► make it to your computer so what right and in hindsight it looks right but here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/636">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► this is just in the context of using that as the lead in there they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/641">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► put anything in there that video you could have you know like johnnie obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/645">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► where he tells you about their philosophy are more product those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/651">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► focused and would match up better with a bunch of product announcements vs like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/653">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► the philosophical thing with something revolutionary that you know if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/658">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► going to do business or something maybe I can see that but I like the video I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/662">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► watched it again every time I watch it I'm impressed by whoever made this video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/666">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► did an awesome job it's very clever and nice and tasteful and I do like it when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/669">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► you also i mean the video also sets the stage for iOS 7 specifically like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/674">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► it specifically about you know clearing away everything starting over again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/680">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► you take away with the necessary like they have their own IRA 7 interview he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/683">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► was also very good but so much more product focus in kind of hit some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/687">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► same hearing this this is like laying the foundation for the iOS 7 video later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/691">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► on expand more for us to accept that they were that the Iowa 77 design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/697">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► decisions were correct an inevitable that video was deleted or I think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/702">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► lead-in for the era where this is the first big party fairy Tim Cook's newly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/707">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► rearranged apple and what they can do and that I mean it wasn't stated as such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/712">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► but in hindsight it looks like if you had to say what was that video about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/718">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► wasn't about a new Mac Pro and I think it was kinda about iOS 7 2007 but he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/721">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► more about that it was it was more about its like Tim Cook's think different not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/727">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► really but like he's here we are with the new Apple to forestall as Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/732">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► against the New Tim Cook Apple with something new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/738">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► showing that you know we really can move on from all the things that Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/741">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► created just do something great in his absence i didnt foreseeing didn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/745">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► hand in hindsight I think that's what the video will match up best with what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/750">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► think I think what the video did for me was you know Apple hadn't said anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/756">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► since 1 October November someone that was a typo in many release that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/762">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► last Apple event right so this was 22 me a kind of set the stage for years here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/766">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► Apple I know we haven't said anything for almost a year now eight months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/772">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► whatever the number was here scott let me remind everyone this is how we roll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/776">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► and this is what we do and we're gonna keep that mindset while we show you all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/781">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► the school crap with the exception of the weird cardamom and I think it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/786">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► really nice way to set the stage wasn't overblown I mean I don't think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/790">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► but I can see your point john but I think it was it was all about setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/795">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► the stage for you know this is Apple this is we are Apple this is what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/799">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► care about and if you don't like that shut off but this is this is how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/802">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► rest of the next few hours are gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/806">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► that's what I thought I guess what about did you guys watch the video that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/808">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► did not show during the keynote which is called making a difference when the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/814">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► but it was something like that I was like an eight-minute video or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/820">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► interminable along with it seems long in ATL deal but it is I watched all his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/826">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► heartwarming but it really depends on your own good will towards Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/837">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► accept the connection between Apple and all the good things they're showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/842">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► happening in there they are good things but are they necessarily related to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/845">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► Apple like technology helps people in all sorts of ways and all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/850">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► companies are beyond this technology and it's good that Apple technology helps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/853">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► you feel that way but I don't think it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/856">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► I don't think it's a it's distinguishing characteristic that makes Apple standout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/859">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► unlike the design video which shows you know this is what they put in a design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/866">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► video are the way that Apple is different than most other companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/871">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► whereas I think any company that makes a technology product that can be used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/875">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► help people could have made a video like the one that made their although these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/878">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► shows that Apple Care is that this is how their products are this this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/881">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► they're thinking when they're making the products they want to see this type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/886">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► outcome but it's easy to be cynical about it and you know like Monsanto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/888">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► gonna mean the same and it would have been like damn damn this is not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/891">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► what my center is like that but it's kind of an appetite but on the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/895">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► hand what technology company Microsoft video their their products are helping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/898">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► yeah I I really liked it part of the reason I liked it was because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/904">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► featured charlottesville virginia which is just an hour west of here and I used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/908">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► to live there but beyond that I thought it was really touching a heartwarming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/911">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► much like the blind hiker guy from last year to last year's keynote I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/915">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► thought it was well done and you're right that you know anyone could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/920">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► made a video like this but I i love that Apple cares enough to not only make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/924">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► video that's like one or two minutes but they mean like eight or nine minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/929">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► video all about why why and how their devices literally improve people's lives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/932">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► they even pay lip service to that being a priority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/940">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► whether or not it is a priority although I would argue it is given all their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/943">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► accessibility priority work and things of that nature and our market would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/947">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► thing we didn't see the videos nevermind I don't know what I mean like the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/951">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► I think it's because Tim was there during the intro and afterwards talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/956">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► about to say to say this is not just a heartwarming video let me tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/961">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► personally from my heart in a convincing way that this is what makes me get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/965">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► of bed in the morning this is what I'm trying to do with the company and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/970">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► the CEO and like that that makes out on land more as having this video is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/972">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► of out there is a corporate statement it's nice and all I think it's fine but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/977">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► I don't mean specially 10 minutes long like if you're going to use it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/982">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► something to represent your company watch that video very few people except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/985">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► you mean apparent certainly not yeah I have so many Apple videos that I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/991">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► watch all the things I still have like eight or nine sessions that I wanna walk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/997">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► chance to see so that's another thing I'm doing celebrating the entire plane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► ride home was watching sessions and even like the day after I got home watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► sessions and seen a member of talking before about how you know once you once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► you leave that week like it's no longer your job to do to be in the sessions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1015">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► so you never got around to doing it well I'm seeing that now and I have a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► sessions that I really want to watch but like to do it I'm assigning it to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► it's your job since you don't have any other job and you're unemployed what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► else do your friends and after something but I'm saying now that's the job starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► in a few weeks this week your job and then give then give John the cliff notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► or anything related to myself I know you do there were a couple other videos I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► want to briefly touch on the first was i dont member they showed the strain the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► keynote I believe they did at the very end but the new commercial about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► and this kind of ties in with the one we mentioned at the beginning and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► at the beginning of the key know where they said at the end of the video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► something along the lines of its only then we signed our work and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► flash up designed by Apple in California and this other video they show people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► just using their products and everyday things and everyday scenarios and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► again at the end it's designed by up in California so one of the things you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► easily see between these two videos that literally bookended the keynote and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► OS 10 Mavericks which was in the middle by the way still hate that name and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► of this is Bill California a California California and one wire when did they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► get so excited about California not to say that spanned before we get a zillion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► angry californians but when did this become a thing that's been on the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► of our products may be sure but I mean it seems like there's a new emphasis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► behind it and I don't well it's not about California and more about made in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► the USA at this point I think I mean you know that the California pride is always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► been there and you're right that was that was like a lot jobs are out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► but I think at this point this is them saying it kind of responding to all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► all the Chinese worker controversy to kind of things in the last year saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► you know what know we can bring something to the us- and now this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► something they can say like to see what the Mac Pro now they can really say like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► you know look this is like a whole us' computer right here as long as you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► check where the where the hell yeah I mean like he was a 60 per user a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► manufacturing taxes they are but what about all the flash and the deer am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► Casey just said about like he liked the video because it showed up part where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► lives like this this you know the silly notion that we have of attachment to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► play some sort of you and you know extension to like jingoism and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► nationalism of pride in countries really pretty much nonsensical if you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► about it for more than 10 minutes but it is definitely a real things I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► blame them for playing into it but I like the cynical view is alongside you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► give you is damage control for the Chinese factory things are never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► pride in california is no more or less ridiculous than pride in the United [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► States is probably no more or less ridiculous than pride is making homemade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► on earth like doesn't really matter where it's made or where you're from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1196">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► that is it a good product is not a good product are you treating workers well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► you're not treating workers well you know our country needs to have a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► economies of keep the business in our company not just else country because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► imaginary lines or oceans or whatever like that you know i i find that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► what my design California bothers me a little bit like who cares what is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► about count what is it about the borders of California or that exists you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► historical reasons that have nothing to do with anything that makes you proud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► that the people who made it here in California when they made it and perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► live somewhere else now and perhaps were born somewhere else in the chatroom I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► so ready to join Starfleet apparently I was like I don't know what their I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► think the by I think the by california takes away from the message but they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► as they're proud that we made this thing and this thing is good in these ways in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► the show the people using the products and having fun with them and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► it's also beautifully shot all the people are beautiful and you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► that part of it is illegitimate message like hey we made something nice and our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► products enhance people's lives so thumbs up right guys its advertising its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► fine I Q tu CA nun madman but the geographic part of it I find a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► off-putting the probably other people don't look california is itself also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► part of the advertising and you know it's not like they chose California just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► for this but I think they're using it to their advantage of their at their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► california has a reputation among I think most most people most americans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► especially being this this like really nice place and and kinda school place in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► this kind of liberal hippie but cool great weather place like and not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► we're leaving out a you know I like there aren't that many states in the USA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► with that great of reputation and we're like you can say oh yeah we're we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► from minnesota and you're gonna have like everyone from everyone in the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1315">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► Minnesota they made that Minnesota that's so cool like it isn't this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► like a major effect or a major part of their marketing branding efforts but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► is a small contributor and especially in the wake of both the Chinese worker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► thing and the wake of Samsung become a major competitor this is i'm saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► know don't support that Korean company this is awfully like thats Sharon starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► to get into you know anyway I think it's fine I get there are politicians have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► end everything with god Bless America but like you can see why they do it send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► email to Marco please I think the California thing that to my knowledge my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► memory came in around time jobs came back again and it stayed throughout and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► it's shorthand for we're proud that we did this and they need someone to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► identify themselves and they are a California company founded in california [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► and so that's what they've chosen because their employees coming go there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► executives coming go a lot of the people who work there weren't born in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► California like they don't have much to hang their hat on but insofar as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► corporation can be seen as an entity with the place apples places california [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► so that's the shorthand for trying to refer back to themselves and their tribe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► as a collective entity known to that end I mean when you think of health warning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► you think the business other than hollywood and perhaps music what's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► first thought when I look at it was alright nevermind then know what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► when I think of a big big business in California I think hollywood I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► music and I think Apple and and i would i would think that most Americans would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► agree there's one of the video wanted to ask you guys about and then perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► Marco you can talk about something that's cool but the other one I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► to ask about his today which again is quite a long time before most of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► will actually hear this episode the trailer for the Ashton Kutcher's Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► did either of you see this two-minute trailer please tell my dad I did watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► it didn't I thought that maybe this is the other Steve Johnson who you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► good one because the film festival and everyone Pandit like a year ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► well sorry no I think said mixed about it he said was honored if memory serves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► he said was entertaining but not great I never had high hopes for this movie in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► the trailer did not change my mind about that I don't think I even bother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► watching so our friend Brad that while john you've never met him but when I and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1468">TS</a>]
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00:24:39 ◼ ► had commented on Twitter that the music Bowl selections were just terrible music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► lighting was terrible and I think he's right but I actually think the trailer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► was bad i mean it is clearly taking a lot of creative license with the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1489">TS</a>]
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00:25:24 ◼ ► realm of fiction it's so overblown wherever it's just screaming and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1524">TS</a>]
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00:25:32 ◼ ► time right because again people they don't understand what was important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► about the Apple 12 what was important about the macro wasn't worried about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► that they have no idea like no clue what kind of like the Steve Jobs biography [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1538">TS</a>]
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00:27:03 ◼ ► trailers for any D Steve Jobs various things just anybody just let me know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1623">TS</a>]
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00:29:30 ◼ ► bit on the emotional side and a little less on the racing side but there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1770">TS</a>]
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00:30:19 ◼ ► are you sure you read this book series would be like ok whatever I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1819">TS</a>]
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00:30:31 ◼ ► series of that took place over the course of my entire life from you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► from nineteen seventies and it ended in the 2010 but an audio they have every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1834">TS</a>]
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00:30:56 ◼ ► to read a book multi-housing page a pic like Dark Tower and it is we haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► done the encounter a podcast about the series that we will eventually I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1861">TS</a>]
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00:32:03 ◼ ► other homework what do you what do you suspect people will do what I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► we've touched on this briefly but what do you suspect app developers will will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► do with regard to dropping support of old versions of iOS when I was seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► comes out I feel like we've glanced off the outer outer atmosphere this topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1937">TS</a>]
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00:32:27 ◼ ► everything that you own and let's suppose you still had at least one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► and to something else or Instapaper whatever what what do you think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► would do i mean you've said another podcast in the 300 other podcast here on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► this week that you're probably going to stick with I was 7 for this new thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► definitely but what do you think you would do if you had not had a successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► existing iOS app that's a really good question because he obviously I think if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► you think if you're making a new apt and you have no legacy to support I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1976">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► make a brand new one and and and require I was seven period not question you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► can't say no question was so so you're saying EA you gonna release a game for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► now as well as dependent developer like one or two person job making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► applications and especially I am also referring to applications where they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► custom making most of their entire interface like you know a game has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2008">TS</a>]
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00:34:11 ◼ ► their new I was offices not all that impressive if Microsoft Office came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2051">TS</a>]
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00:35:24 ◼ ► to lose all those like free users like that that would hurt the bigger product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2124">TS</a>]
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00:35:37 ◼ ► Phone app and and even a Windows 8 app just to get you need to be everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2137">TS</a>]
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00:36:16 ◼ ► least not yet or are you might not be able to be aggressive with it so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► know that that will depend on your client and your business needs but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► you're in the second half of developers like what I usually do which is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► you know in some form whether it's whether it's the magazine with a net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► purchase or something other than a purchase or whether it's a few bucks up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► front for the applicants per Instapaper you know that kind of stuff if you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► that business we need to make money from the app and you're better off having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► better after people will talk about it i think is worth money and you're better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► off targeting people who will spend money on a nap then not only does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► weight you more towards newer devices and people who have great quickly anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► but then you really can stand out by as you said you really can't stand out by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► having a really really nice iOS 7 app from early on in in at Oasis release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► cycle so if you know if if you're in that kind of situation and obviously I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► think it's very important to recognize whether you are not but if you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► that kind of situation where you can benefit from having a really great app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► for the new OS and you're targeting people with money then I think it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► safe to require it within about a month of the launch I think one thing everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► can agree on is teaming up with a more accurate and I have no reason to doubt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► them is that it's probably safer for everyone if you're making a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► application to drop iOS 5 oh yes because six their 93% like it doesn't matter who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► you are that's safe right at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► her in the iPad then a little bit less safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► yeah because you have an aptitude specifically targeted to people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► likely to have called iPads but it is not getting any safer than that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► it's like when you can have a higher number than that in adoption as a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► people are pointing out and where should I have maybe one person I cannot cue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► track very these things like I was seven probably won't be like that because iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► 6 stretched back pretty far like a surprisingly farm-out down to like lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► grab your devices as I was seven draws the line a little bit closer up and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► will probably will have to wait for the soul devices day job and will probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► be a long long time before that's 7 or greater that's not true they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► specifically of my credit iPod touch that runs iOS 6 and totally shouldnt the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► 3ds is the other example like the run I was six but for now but when 27 go down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► to it goes into the iPhone 4 it supports everything the six does accept the 3ds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► and that iPhone four chords Touch and iPod Touch except in the most reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► right the one that was based on the iPhone 4 internals it does not support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► that but it supports all the recent ones and everything is good for the cheapest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► one until two weeks ago only the only iPod touches of course is the absolute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► most recent one right it doesn't but that's a little bit distorted because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► attacks which as you know view of things is in my view of things also skewed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► because I'm an iPod Touch household so it seems to me it's like it's it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► if they can have them with maverick's in the only connects it ran on her like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► absolute latest model is there still currently selling each product line and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► you know but the proof is in the pudding how well it how well does it run is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► really matters to you know i i wish i had not upgradeable Touch iOS 6 music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► teacher fucks you know and so yeah it can run it and I was like initially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► happy that it was supported and I guess I'll probably still on because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► probably better apps for iOS 6 only if I can run them but it is not happy at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► yeah yeah you know i i think i think seven cuts off about the same number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2395">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► people probably a six dead and I don't have an iPod touch as well but if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► iPad user cut off nothing so that balances out anyway yeah I I'm not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► worried about about cutting off new devices 47 because I don't think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► substantially different than every other OS release in that regard so yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► don't know at and I think we are going to see some people holding back because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► they don't like the changes just like some people held back because of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► heat they heard about maps reveron 640 or their jail breaks don't work until a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► certain date afterwards or something like that that does all those are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► gonna be like small slices and they're all going to add up to something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► significant but its that's there are going to deteriorate over time in jail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► break out for 47 if there isn't already but what you know once once a jailbreak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► out then one of those big slices goes away once there's no end to various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2455">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► degrees of tethering for the jailbreak then everything changes once most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► get a little more comfort with the idea of how it looks then another slice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► starts falling away once a new device comes out that replaces something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► was old and unsupported like maybe when the next generation of iPod Touch comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► out possibly this fall who knows maybe then some of the old iPod Touch users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► who can't run the new one maybe they upgrade and so then that price falls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► away so that's always what happens with every release there's always a TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► segments of people who either can't or won't run the new OS for a little for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► limited amount of time until either they change devices they're all device dies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► or some conditions changes that was all in the back so we're talking almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► sounds like if he still had Instapaper you would make it I was seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► well no Instapaper still doesn't require a six I Instapaper III was set on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► requiring five for a while I forget when I started requiring five but it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► was before six was out but not by that much i think you must be 46 came out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2516">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► you know with the magazine I was able to require six because I just didn't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► and I want all the new stuff and wanted to use a venir next without having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► pay for trial was five but but again you know I think this beautiful factors here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► right obviously if you don't need tons and tons of people necessarily if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► just need good app sales that's different if it was a brand new app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► being released today I would probably require well today require six but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► don't know I think if it already required six and therefore if it had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► already cut off all the iPad 1 people then I wouldn't have that much of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► problem requiring 7 within about two months of 7 release also you also have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► to consider that the the fall back the the looking for but in order to support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2574">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► both I was 7916 it stands to reason it's a lot more challenging than than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► six and five you know what I mean so another well not necessarily depends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► right the magazine supports seven with a very very small coaching it's just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► you know it it it's hidden under the status bar accidentally change that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► that's it it's a very small change and you can conditionally do that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► when it's 17 do this otherwise do this you know if there's enough of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► conditions that manageable I think the big problem with three quick with trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► to support 796 the same time isn't necessarily the code complexity cuz you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► can make that work you know for the most part you can deal with that the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► problem is by not fully adopting sevens new interface stuff your Apple look old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► and feel right that's the big problem is it's not about code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► well it it would be about code if you actually need to rewrite if you write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► two separate interface than it is about please don't do that let's you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► if it just about you know we have to work on both then what you're gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► is an iOS 6 out that happens to be compatible with seven and it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► look and feel like an iOS except for the most part really like the new bar styles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► once you compile it for seven and stuff but it it won't get you won't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► of the new navigation stuff and it'll be it'll be a lot harder for you to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► that in to an existing code base that has to also run sex all the time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► there's a potential pitfall in this though in the you could also end up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► to use it was technology and application with full address to remember those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► before the draw as an artist and yeah I can to 10.32 is it was like one of one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► of their flag pole UI elements that said here's my goal is 10 and it's got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► thing called sheets to come down from the window that was a new thing called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► also got this thing called runners and the mail application after application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► originally featured roar and everybody said all of these jurors I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► applications of any kind of application that would they have a sidebar and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► drawer and resin is up to being not such a great idea and so all these people I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► got going to be a native application and I'm not going to carbon application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► we're young music it's gonna be cocoa and use drawers and all the stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► looking at him and then there was like you know not so much in the drawer thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► and then you're stuck without occasion withdraws you know how I gotta changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► to a sidebar so we don't know what is the equivalent address if anything maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► there's no good one of drawing I was 70 I would have done it might be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► might be something in there that's like that that seems like a good idea never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► jumped on the bandwagon in systolic is nominated for real iOS 7 application and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► then everyone goes who actually not so great and he then you're forced to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► rewrite parts of you I because that entire enterprise element or some aspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► of it is falls out of favor or is determined to not be a good idea not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► that argues against doing you really should go whole hog and Iowa seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► because you know something's gotta find out if there are any drawers to continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► to talk to this analogy lurking don't know where you're going to find out its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► people make real applications using the system that Apple has devised and we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► find out what works and what doesn't write you know I think if I were to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► wager a guess I think will happen is a lot of these big gaps say like Evernote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► maybe that's a little too big but take Instapaper for example maybe the maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► they'll try to dance the you know will still look like iOS 6 for the most part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► we're not gonna look like the fancy new iOS 7 thing and I don't think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► going to work for very long I think that even your average customer's is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► say why does this look so old why doesn't it look better and I suspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► that people will hedge and in the direction of not requiring requiring I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► was seven and Marco I think you'll end up right that people will quickly end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► requiring it after just couple months and also you know it's gonna take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► little while for developers to realize what they should do under iOS 7 you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► this is why like i've i've said like as soon as we get a tattoo is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► might be before the spices released but as soon as we get a tattoo on his domain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► phone because I need to start learning it and I you know I have done this for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► us but I hardly ever use the Force training data plans its peace talks but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► I have an iPhone so it's never my pocket I'm never using it like I need to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► immerse myself in iOS 7 has a user understand how my app should be and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► it's gonna take develop a while too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► to get into that I think to the 2004 US in the five have the same size same I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► don't remember I'm not sure I guess I could pop over if they do that's what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► was gonna say is if it were me I mean I don't have a full screen screen is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► the ones gonna kill you before design better than the five design in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► like an object they had the short screen you like if you can't go back once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► get the tolerance gonna be the same way when the iPhone + comes out but it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► description that actually no they're not the same sympathize with anyone have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► suffer through this message and you in mind that my carry phone is a for SU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/2886">TS</a>]
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00:52:14 ◼ ► maker yes there's a 2.0 version it might be out by the time this podcast airs i i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3134">TS</a>]
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00:52:24 ◼ ► to make sure it's stable and everything like that so so yes there's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► this big 2.0 version that makes the software even better and and gives you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► lot of the conveniences that the Dropbox integration software does with things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► like finder integration and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3156">TS</a>]
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00:52:51 ◼ ► service you know you by the enclosure and and then just the pressure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► enclosure covers lifetime service from their servers to do like the relay and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3175">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► coordination of the handshaking and and the DNS stuff to say it for your apt to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► build a fire under your transport and everything so there's no monthly fees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► you could buy it by the enclosure up front and you're set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3189">TS</a>]
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00:53:29 ◼ ► like Dropbox are things in the cloud don't have to worry about storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► tomorrow then these people want to sell me a hard drive in a box like to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3212">TS</a>]
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00:53:43 ◼ ► learn more about the product looked at it like I would I do if I fast forwarded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► my mind like 10 20 years and what the border these like what got me watching a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► video on their site with a show like you know always in these videos that show a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► nice a nice house with transport is all over and everyone's work desk as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3236">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► never said you think of these things are already pretty small like you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3240">TS</a>]
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00:54:06 ◼ ► be like similar capacities but now that his eyes of a drive and like they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3246">TS</a>]
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00:54:22 ◼ ► its back under whatever you have a complete a real truly completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3262">TS</a>]
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00:54:36 ◼ ► control of their own database they control so I put these three at home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3276">TS</a>]
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00:54:43 ◼ ► own day that you get all the benefits of a cloud where you can get it anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3283">TS</a>]
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00:55:00 ◼ ► storage pods instead of relying on a single company to do your cloud hosting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3300">TS</a>]
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00:55:10 ◼ ► to be WAY cheaper than having two terabytes of s3 storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► have to pay for every month yeah I was actually be faster to Dropbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► occasionally gives me data rates that I know we're not anywhere close to maxing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► out my files connection and you know I don't know if they're throttling it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3324">TS</a>]
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00:55:36 ◼ ► upload to you they're not going at the speed of my upload connection whereas if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3336">TS</a>]
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00:56:50 ◼ ► and Jason Statham the new season he is he is in so many bad entertaining movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3410">TS</a>]
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00:58:15 ◼ ► picture of the counter showing the month of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3495">TS</a>]
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00:58:28 ◼ ► seven and even in the Keno they talked about it about reno clarity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3508">TS</a>]
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00:58:41 ◼ ► 17th you look at the screen you can meet the final day today is not like a subtle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3521">TS</a>]
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00:58:54 ◼ ► very clean the numbers are laid out there but to me it happens me lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3534">TS</a>]
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00:59:13 ◼ ► current data shows no no I don't know what the current month especially when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► it's time for a month boundaries I every crossed over something and if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► paging through your not in the paper today what month by month by looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► that it's super important that is likely most important piece of content on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► page with the possible exception of with today's date is but even today's date 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► months and look how we treat the month in the month you on the counter you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► where it is in the screenshots I'm looking at the old counter app on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► phone next to this to see for comparison and the old one it's it's it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► there's a second title bar below the main bar then he just hasn't big bold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► this one says John not say June has been three-letter abbreviation and like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► the content on this page should be just gigantic and fold and not abbreviated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► and also its gonna change position as you flip through the months of the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► yes because it because it's like I was asking people on Twitter why in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► world like this so in conflict with their stated philosophy like they taught [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► me I think they even brought up in the talk about the possible deferred the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► content the content is king really just wanna see people just want to see their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► contact info is likely want to see your photos here I want to see what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► friggin month is like I was not so important what we're gonna previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► biggest more important for us to test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► attaches right above the number one in the month and you're right that it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► not only that small not only is it not emphasize like it even less distinct the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► backbone for crying out loud it's going to move on every single page because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► the first day as a Friday or there is there Wednesday its gonna move around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► and continue to be abbreviated and that it's so what they made so within one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► choice that is counter to what they're doing and I thought it would be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► yeah they made a bad decision in one application those guys will fix it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► be argued is even worse with the weird letterpress style in the inset shadows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► and suffered a big deal to make nobody's perfect have a philosophy they're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► this is what our philosophy is ideal ok we failed to achieve it but as time has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► passed it continues to stick in my craw that understood like having them up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► there showing this application and saying those words like you'd want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► hide this one you gonna be like I don't look at that one without one we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► doesn't conform to our philosophy don't show it and say is this beautiful nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► no its not as John you know it it's bothering me more and more I am so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► know everyone is talking about the icons on the home screen and are they going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► change those I don't worry that the bailout plan time to refine this is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► is what i'm looking at it as my bellwether because this doesn't require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► you redrawing of much of a conscience just require someone to go you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► the month is a pretty darn important thing in my view it does not deserve to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► be abbreviated it should be bigger it should be bolder and that's the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► just you know dissenter it put on the same line center at looking spell it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3716">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► plenty of room for German month names which I assume for much longer than ours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► whatever faster yeah it and I'll tell move over to the right when you come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► here and I expected after the keynote to see in nineteen people slamming this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► because it is like the most obvious example of like you know do what I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► not as I do and yeah well you know people have been having pointing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► out a lot and not just bought this is the first I've seen the counter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► complaint with the people you know people included have pointed out lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► you know lots of just design flaws and iOS 7 so far it's important to consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► that you know similar to how Apple the company they always look out for you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► people think they do everything whatever is whatever the best for you that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► quite true they do what's best for Apple first and then secondarily what's best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► for users and and if those priorities are ever challenged what's best for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► similar to that I think we all think of Apple is this company has really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► design sense and they do mostly but there's always been this company this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► kind of competing interests at Apple of what looks cool and what looks cool i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► think is more important overall then what's a great design to them in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► instances and especially in software hardware they can they can often find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► the right balance in software they often don't and I think this is one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► examples a lot about iOS 7 for example I think using the super thin font [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► everywhere I find that the extremely thin font extremely hard to read and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► fact of the fact there is that a just legibility setting to just make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► final little bit thicker that alone says like you know they know this too in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► somebody's fighting about internally you know there's always things like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► with Apple software almost everything they've removed from like the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3835">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► quotes Kumar fix stuff from like desktop calendar and stuff like that like almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► all these things are things that were put in there because they look cool and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► high enough up people oftentimes Stephen the past high enough people thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► looked cool enough to push them through even though people knew that it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► as good of a design or it wasn't as functional it wasn't as usable it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► is legible so in the case of John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► the cool thing of their preserving which many people pointed out and which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► think is wholly not a justification for about his possible explanation is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► when you go from the month of the year view like they wanted to the transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► it looks like you just do me out and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► and in the year view the months are abbreviated I think they're kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► makes sense because you can do the abbreviation a much larger fun you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► three big letters you see it to left there you know like you know it will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► harder to read September spelled out on the year ruby you make SCP really big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► for September and so they want the damn transition that John to go right into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► the Little John on the year of you in a transition and like all see it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3897">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► it's perfect just like how the the title slides over with the back button to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► become the title of the previous page and all that stuff like it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► perfect right and some was so married to that perfect transition that they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► not bear cross fade into j'ai une right you know I mean like a cross fade from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► your view and two months you where the three-letter abbreviation cross fades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► into the name is not the end of the world but something was like no this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► this is the transition no crossfade that's got to be its kind of feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► it's a real thing and that's the wrong call because it's better to sacrifice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► the purity of that transition to conform to your other supposed purity which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► clarity and deferment to the content and what is important and just so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► important to the user but its own but what if something is almost as usable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► and looks really cool they will always up for that every time it's just a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► call is just back home one out it's not a big deal but like that's my that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► canary in the coalmine I'm gonna be watching to see when I'm watching to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► when the default font a sticker I agree but going to the calendar i do think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► was very cool and John you touched on this briefly the way the transitions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► worked and I don't have an Iowa 7 device here but my my memory tells me that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► you went from the debut to the monthly you kinda zoomed out in back towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► your face of them that's a terrible description but you kept zooming outward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► like you said John we went from a month you in the newseum dubbed the year of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► you and then the way the transition for the home screen is when you hit the home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► screen from the year of you when you get home but from here view you met again in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► to springboard and I just thought that was really well done really cool but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► before you said crossfade I was thinking to myself you know that's weird why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► didn't they do across paid from month to year so not able to you know real zooms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► think about all those things like I think they are good and they are they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► really need to see but all the previous versions of iOS have pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► demonstrated that the conceptual model of home screen application like that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► level of like you're either in your home screen people get that even with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► transactions that are not as beautiful and perfect is there I was seven because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► like you said if you tap on it and and I was 7 counter in particular BC icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► looks like you could simply zoomed in on you know the debut and a month calendar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► is just all I go I'm just pushing back pushing back zooming in Deming NM just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► one smooth continuous experience that's great and all but it's like it's fixing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► something that wasn't really a problem because everybody very quickly Crocs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► screen with a bunch of icons you're in a period that but you go back to school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► with the money I contact everybody gets that that's a simple it's not super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► duper you know even ignoring folders with people still also kind of get but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► just that model like you're either on springboard are you in a nap and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► you're not gonna get the springboard to hit the button you don't need the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► transition like the genie effect to say where the hell to my window I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► is still necessary because people click a button on their window and it went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► disappeared they will not notice the little square P open lower right but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► think everybody even 20 transition rocks the model eventually and certainly now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► just like oh I I get it now on the Napa but now I'm back on the screen with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► icons I guess how those two things are arranged and so this marriage this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► particular transition is like it's too much it's killing a sledgehammer like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► we get it we understand how do you get to and from the home screen and so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► I don't say you shouldn't do it it's good it's nice and everything but do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► sacrifice aspects of the application for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► yeah I think it's gonna be a lot like like you know what like when I when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► made the magazine 1.00 my goal was to have no setting screen and then that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► actually turned out to cause a few other bad design decisions because I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► trying to try to reach that one goal and I had to end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► reality interfered you know I had to compromise in other ways and I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► return to the wrong decision I think we're doing a lot of cases like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► night was seven where they're they're trying to preserve something about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► appearance or the or the structure or their principles are trying to say what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► do we turn this choice because of this principle that we know that this is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► of our goals so therefore you know because this animation is going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► certain way they never looked best to have John there's a June and so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► what we're stuck with and this is the right thing to do and eventually they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► going to start refining and cutting back on some of these things I think or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► are finding new ways to satisfy both like they've got principles they laid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► out and some of the principal sometime coming conflict and its ownership which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► one wins and you know picking the right winner is just as important as picking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► the correct principles who don't agree with the principles of the transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► should be smooth an obvious and also we agree with all the content should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► emphasizing that the chrome like if you're on board with the Iowa 7 idea run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► for both of those and it's like okay when they come in they coming conflict [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► with navy don't agree with picking the transition win over you know the content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► you know or are deciding that their entire treatment of texts also clashes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► with someone be able to look at this thing at a glance and all they see is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► the content like what they want they want to know is there and not distracted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► by the interface and if people are having trouble reading these spindly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► little funds then some other aspect of the philosophy has stopped on the one we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► think should be more important right now we really that surprised either that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► Apple when creating this new is bank thing has favored the new is bank thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► over what is arguably right in other words I don't think it's surprising that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► they're choosing John over doing something that doesn't really fit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► whiz bang as well but is really the right answer and that's putting Junin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► that doesn't make sense but they pick these these tenants like they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► hammered on deferment deferring to the user in the content and emphasizing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► content over the Carmike thats Van Noten spring that on them like that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► not burdened with that they've chosen that is a tentpole of Iowa 7 and up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► them to figure out like they give us all these philosophies and tenants of Iowa 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► they have to figure out how to reconcile these in a pleasing way and if they it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4257">TS</a>]
01:11:02 ◼ ► seems to me that they're picking the wrong ones that like the one the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4262">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► people could be on board with an example most people are on board with this ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► good no more weird led there in Felton stuff like this not impose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► it's distracting we just want to see the information shown me my counter show me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► what the month this show me what today's data show me if I've got in the car like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► I just want the information don't distract me with fancy looking buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► and stuff I i think thats the one that we all agree is a good idea I was seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► and the other ones they latched onto about their particular treatment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► typography and how things a transition like those are good and everything but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► like we really we really like the one where you are you emphasize the content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► and the girl and you know they're prioritization of those this tendency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► tennis they chose seem to be different than everyone else's despite what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► all designed for all at every design is is a whole bunch a series of choices and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► most of them are not easy choices and with those put those principles they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4315">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► have almost none of them are you can just say alright well you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► should behave well organized as for all three of those things perfectly and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► everything great budget doing this one option here they every time you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► designing something developing something you're always having to compromise on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► those things and good design is about figuring out the right compromises [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► there's always going to be lots of conflicting rules and principles and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► factors and everything like that and that's what makes a good designer a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► designer is having great judgment there and then also be able to look back when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► they've been wrong and say you know what that was the wrong choice this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► overall better to do this either way we got I guess we could I think we're good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► alright will thanks a lot to our to show sponsors audible go to a podcast dot com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4369">TS</a>]
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01:13:05 ◼ ► now the show is over they didn't even mean to be in accidental accidental John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► cuz it was accidental and you can be a team Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4398">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► I i forgot the blessing of the personal chat room you'll never get credit on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► show tells grandchildren they used to do that on the show I do kinda like I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► like John Siracusa now but I don't think that really make sense in the grand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► scheme of things I feel you don't know what it feels like it's not even that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► lead we've had some fun reviews lately really I don't even read them I always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► forget the better thing I can go check them any reviews we should have like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► banking for people to reviewers because I remember the dates listed recently too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► and I i usually check them pretty obsessively but I had a long spell I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► didn't see it interruption I went back and there weren't that many new ones to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► go back to that section to show we make everybody just curious what the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► is that it they're not in the theme song that there's no there's no call out in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► the theme song in a way to Twitter followers are sites to ensure a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► idea to call the theme song but every once in awhile you mentioned if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► a lot of use all reviews are good and most of them do their thing about having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► a show with three people on it is the most reviews your chances of them saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► something nice about your good like this review is always something good about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► two or three people and certainly someone has turned into the bus yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► true that's mostly true however I cannot remember seeing a bad comment about John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► ever and if there's a bad comment i'd say it's two-thirds about how much for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► Marco is and one-third about how stupid on my bed in my bed comment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► only severe but usually what it is like the shows in Vegas hypocritical like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► this which is which is not actually a compliment to you I know but the bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► thing they say is that my performance in the show is lesser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► and it doesn't satisfy their need for whatever they like that so I i'm getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► off with least bad reviews but those things like most of them to his refusal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► to this is something nice about yeah but some of the content of unwanted to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► interesting market is so full of himself but John makes up for the mall seriously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► a good listen i mean that's pretty that's pretty standard now it's a man I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► feel like nobody really insults UKC they get back in there I would love to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► off the only bad KC-one who's this guy you know I know you don't like it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► middle of a very long review I think armand certeza feel that they need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4615">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► moderator of sorts to keep the show moving I agree but they picked the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► guy they picked a friend rather than someone with the requisite skill set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► Casey is in over his head I would have been too but I would have declined the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► first of all that's where you're wrong we did none of us like Casey suppose his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► entire premise is true do you think anybody could like rain arson were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► taking member when John Marable talking forever but something like it that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► an impossible job I don't know how to approach this diplomatically and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► delicately and some scientists say you to impossible something actually this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► was legitimately good feedback and actually to be fair made me try to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► on something that I do think it's an issue I cases diplomatic to the point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► plan is always tempering his point of view as if to not upset anyone ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► which continues I miss hypocritical but having to answer keys on any podcast is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► better than and I actually think he is that that was a reasonable point I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► morning us time no not Marco nothin chat rooms but I have to work with their god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► I thought I question whether I should preface that with ago have you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► heard that visible eye consultants like you guys heard of Star Trek like you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► be like I'll come on I can start I don't be stupid but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► nevermind the chat room is catching up in there are they all hate us now so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► although I will say to go back a step Enright said I still think he's as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► marcos imaginary friend us on trial in arkansas thing anyways like what we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► here with the three of us together is just not evenly distributed so it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► someone Marco self-confidence to go into Casey and ability of the shop is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► on to me and Marco then we would have the ultimate podcast host can be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► lonely and identity is right we all thought he was imaginary friend around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4735">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► yeah I like 10 seconds but we did meet him by the way this is real and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► spectacular show it we have so many great show interest I don't like save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► them up we might have to do it after the evening or whatever a subsequent to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► year before midnight I should find some bad reviews and paula creamer and read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► them all the people aren't like really mean like you know i mean like no for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► the most part there are a couple that actually stung but genuinely the truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► but people aren't you know being like go read some reviews other podcasts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4791">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► you'll see the problem like nobody hates us enough to read a really funny bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► review that they only had enough to write like kind of mean reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► discerning intelligent and attractive people even though even the ones who had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► us are articulate enough to leave a reasonable review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► now that I think the only one that stung by a dozen sites on the one that I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► about me pledging to much that was that was absolutely valid and it kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► stunned but more was like do I really do need to work on that one of me being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► over my head cover the premise Thursday is not that I don't think people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► understand that your programmer for a living with a good just some guy off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► street but I don't know her most of the time he writes pearl how are you people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► that people think I'm like an iOS arrow estate developer and no actually inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4855">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► forgive me for starting mutual admiration society but you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► about Objective C and cocoa and Cocoa Touch for someone who never does any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► this I know he says but it's also the non-programmers don't understand is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► a certain point and we have a certain level of experience in programming the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:21 ◼ ► mysticism of different API in languages falls away and you just kind of realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► that it's all marlys the same stuff and like that's all the employees like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► to like once you've been a professional programmer for five years certainly for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:36 ◼ ► ten you can see me you've been keeping your skills up or whatever you couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► learning languages it's like ok well what's the equivalent of whatever in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► this language and I get like conceptually you understand everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► is known as just a matter of Centex the same thing with API using API that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► all these concepts and terms of you know callbacks and notifications and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► event loops and background process like although conceptually understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► concepts and I was programmer you'll never understand OS 10 or you'll never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► understand on it like it's all the same stuff like this very rarely some new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► revolutionary idea that you came in grottoes just a matter of the details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► I'm going back to our design discussion I think it's something worth like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► know most prevailing wages don't come out and do like radically totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► they're all tradeoffs and it's a tradeoff you know like what are your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► priorities for what you're doing and therefore which had a tradeoff is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► best for you to use for this you know like there's like it that that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► it's so hard to say that one languages quote better than another because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► have made different tradeoffs an era and I think I think there is a thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► if someone uses one language in that language doesn't have like anonymous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► functions closures occurring or pick yer whatever feature then you will have seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► that concept and if some of the language is heavily based on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► not rocket you'll have to first graphic concept as well as saying like if you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► been in the industry for a long time use lots of different languages eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► you know you didn't spend your entire time and see if you run across a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► language that has these features you know even if Justin Langer never had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► lexical scope and you don't understand how that works or why my beautiful like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► but I feel like just especially in today's development like the Weber you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► count like 79 what is wrong with application you get all the concepts or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► whatever but I think for non-programmers listening they will sign your expertise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► in a particular realm and decide that you can't possibly have any intelligent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► comment on the other I'm so because cases a.net program like what could he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► possibly have intelligent to say about 10 miles like you know it's it's not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► involved that's totally fine I can't possibly understand what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► there like you know talking to a database from foreign language talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► to a database of used in Orem before well we have hard times here to view is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► just as long as we can all agree that PHP does everyone everyone agrees there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5034">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► is no there is no better or worse language except PHP which is worse are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► you feeling ok this joke languages that are worse right like brain that's worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► you know if there is that there is levels to go down further but yes I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► actually here's an interesting question here we say for a show which is a worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► language PHP Javascript and PHP no contest that's i think thats I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► there that's so much fewer moving parts so you think all those parts injury [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► could worsen the part that PHP PHP has so many freakin part-time job as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► browsers you know I don't know why I think the language we just hung with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► language the language if you're talking about moving parts were talking about in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:52 ◼ ► practice here no I mean like the language of the size of the API you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5092">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► this is everything I think about how much it is not accessible from the API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5097">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► you know I don't know I don't think that's crappy but you know at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► small any PHP might be worse and JavaScript but I would really have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► like you know me in person or something like really think about it really way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► because I really do think they're not I i think they're bad news is is is closer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► than you might assume the same thing with the page we discussed on my way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► back when it's like i'm what i'm talking bout just a language in the abstract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► like terms of here the keywords his sin taxes the concepts and body then not any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► of the past two interns 123 the Packers turns into its other things come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:38 ◼ ► threes like JavaScript the language is better than PHP as a language but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5138">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► may say developing a real application and JavaScript houses where you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► like then you when I'm talking about the language I always talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► language in the abstract like your language designer you wanna make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► excludes there are no real concerns at all yours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5155">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► sign language they may you design it written language syntax here the nouns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► and verbs and here's how it's structured and you know the whole nine yards I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► wanna pedal with some of the server side script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► you're so it really is we should just bank this for the next time one of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► isn't around but anyway I want to screw around with OJ as one of the new hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► dance so two years to have her I live in the.net well isn't that note on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► server I think that's right yeah I think so it's really interesting that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► whatever I see about node.js it looks like it's probably really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► right now but when you're when you're like me something you don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► spend a ton of time like on the nuts and bolts of it you don't really want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► interesting you want something that was interesting five years ago so I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► think like node.js like whatever probably start five years from now I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► probably use it then his ideal project something like notice on experimental be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► something like like Manresa stuck tweet marker type service where conceptually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► again there's not a lot of moving parts like you're gonna be storing offset our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► position for people in some sort of serve a canned and what what your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► service offer acid was like basically accept a request maybe some minor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► authentication and in like gettin store number for somebody you know right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► crap like the icons library sucks for this then you can write that in no time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► like my first node application like the ones that love writing an echo server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► but you get all the advantages that are supposedly in odz ok does this scare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► really awesome they can is a super easy to deploy and I can run everywhere and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► can you can you can really you know talker tested and say like ours I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► have written anything because the amount of course i three pages of code for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► the server part of it not the storage part not the only you know just what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► weather out part and that's a perfect opportunity to try out something new be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► like if it doesn't work on his rewrite it in you know pick your favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5277">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► language and it won't be a big deal but if it does work maybe I'll get all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► manage their runs about note you know what I think we should do is we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► should write web websites and just straight see because that sounds great I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFD7Aw/5288">TS</a>]