00:00:00 ◼ ► 20 the accident car podcast four-minute sure pretty please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► we had a big week last week is a good week it was it was a huge week for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/6">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► everybody for the show more John Siracusa for everybody who matters it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/11">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► was a big week it was aight I had such a great time at WBC and i know i speak for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/16">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► both you guys and saying that any was especially peculiar for me having kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/21">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► of been that guy that hangs out with Marco and John for the last couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/26">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► years and now getting recognized occasionally it was the trickiest most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/30">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► flattering and an awesome thing that I don't even know what to make of it I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/34">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► still at processing yeah I told you that would happen when we started this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/39">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► podcast has told Casey look just so you know if you're on a podcast and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/43">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► listen to it next year at WTC everyone is going to know who you are and sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/48">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► enough that's exactly what happened people are coming up you know John and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/53">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► you know people people have known who we were at the BBC for a few years a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/57">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► bit but Casey oh my god he was the star everyone I love you on the show everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/61">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► was so thrilled nobody give a crap about us ever was so thrilled to meet Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/67">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► list that is a very flattering boldface lie but there everyone is excited but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/71">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► think it was like Oh your case America and your jonbenet was extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/77">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► flattering and and many thanks for everyone who who had the guts to say hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/82">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► I know we talked about it a couple days ago but it was still it was still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/87">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► extremely cool to to meet all of these people that I perhaps would have had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/91">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► opportunity to meet other wise cuz we would have both been just faces in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/95">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► crowd so many thanks for all you guys and gals that said hi and had nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/97">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► things to say no less we only had a couple complained verbal complaints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/103">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► about neutral not consider that a moral victory I was impressed with anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/106">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► actually listen to neutral who come to us that at that time and we did have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/110">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► few fans who really wanted to spring back yeah which which was also weird and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/115">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► the quickest I drove in three today it which generation was that ninety nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/120">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► alright yeah it was it was really cool it was like my car + 10 15% it was fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/125">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► new podcast by car sometime maybe I think anyone like that he'll now getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/131">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► better pricing on the m3 is not your car + 15% it's not it's not but in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/138">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► ballpark 3 these days I think a well-equipped wanna something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/145">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► seventy or eighty right I mean I think it's likely the Seven News I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/149">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► I never and I mean my car my car + 15% have been out now you're right my car + [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/153">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► talk about nerd nerdy stuff that's not cars what did you guys think it wud say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/163">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► about this last time well be about a lot has happened since then ok fine we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/172">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► we can ignore things in the notes the notes the actual market and largely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/176">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► ignoring the notes but I do have them up so with that in mind how we've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/185">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► chrome up and you don't have your chrome jail John would you like to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/188">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► any of the Metro details we've learned a little little macro follow up so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/194">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► talked about it at length on the last show and their two things that I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/200">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► talk about the first one is about this article I wrote a while ago called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/206">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► case for a true Mac Pro successor and there was me arguing the point before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/212">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► knew what the fate of the Mac Pro was that Apple should continue to push the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/216">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► envelope and desktop computer performance for all the same reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/221">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► that car manufacturers make these ridiculous cars that nobody by that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/225">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► that are not practical and their costs way too much money and they lose money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/230">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► for the company's all because they want to push the limits of our technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/238">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► deep deep down because the people who work at those companies love cars and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/244">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► that's why I make you know supercars are hello Karzai called them and so when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/248">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► new Mac Pro was announced last week I thought I had addressed this unless we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/254">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► show but apparently not clearly enough to last me so is this is this a true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/259">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► does this could meet the criteria laid out in the case for a dramatic person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/265">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► says there are you still disappointed in the fact that last time I was saying how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/270">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► this doesn't quite look like it's a machine for me so on and so forth people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/274">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► like oh I don't see how this isn't a true Mac processor as well so to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/277">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► clear and spell it out yes this is definitely a true Mac Pro successor it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/281">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► completely fits the mold of you know the supercar type things it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/286">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► ridiculous it's crazy it does not look like a normal computer we don't know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/290">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► price yet but I assume it's going to be really expensive certainly more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/293">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► expensive than the other things there it has compromises that most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/297">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► wouldn't you know expect like the dual GPU that are going to big honkin GPUs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/300">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► that maybe everybody doesn't need but at the same time it doesn't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/305">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► internal spinning disk storage but it's kind of like a super car that has like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/308">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► 900 horsepower but a truck that fits one little tiny bag and it right and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/312">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► hoping I'm assuming Apple hopes that they sell way more pros than people sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/316">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► their top and supercars but this computer despite or perhaps because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/321">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► the fact that it doesn't satisfy all the practical needs of various provision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/326">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► stuff definitely fits the bill so despite the fact that I was disappointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/331">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► in the last week for various personal reasons as I thought I expressing last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/335">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► show i'm i'm happy that Apple continues to innovate use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/340">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► shelters part in this area and to continue to chase the high and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/346">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► second thing about the Mac Pro is that my opinion of it has softened a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/351">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► bit from my own personal use since last week's episode and it since then I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/355">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► learned our backs have been reminded I should have no I didn't think of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/360">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► last week that the gaming performance thing that this really been holding back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/364">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► to spend all this money on this machine and compromises with no internal storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/369">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► and everything and I'm gonna get a machine that's not going to fill one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/373">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► my main criteria which is to be able to play PC Mac games really really well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/376">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► because it's got these pro GB using them and to people who aren't familiar with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/382">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► that the market or maybe people who are familiar with and I was that sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/387">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► crazy but like all these are super high and GPUs is not great for gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/393">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► gonna be you know like they're just like $2000 GPUs and shouldn't you be awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/396">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► game performance on this and if you look at like Windows benchmarks and stuff for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/402">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► his pro GPUs are you feel like adding 3d programs and they test Windows games on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/406">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► the gaming performance issue appears this terrible news how can I spend $1500 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/412">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► on a video card and get terrible game performance and the answer is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/416">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► drivers the drivers are made to run or AutoCAD or whatever other programs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/421">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► the figures for professional design and those programs demand precision and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/427">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► repeatability and reliability they don't demand all in all sorts of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/433">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► performance tricks the game GPUs you so you'll see a GPA of the cost three times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/438">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► as much as another one not promise wanna game and on the PC side on Windows you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/443">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► when you buy one of those high and GPUs you get the special you know certified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/448">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► OpenGL drivers to be used with whatever software you bought it works and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/452">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► you buy just like a gaming video card even a super high ranking you got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/457">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► totally different driver and that one is optimized to make sure you get really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/460">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► high frame rates in Crysis 3 or whatever because they too in the driver for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/464">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► cheating is a und OpenGL spectra says response to do this and that in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/467">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► like line precision NDLEA saying or what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/473">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► occlusion or whatever but we found that in this game we can detect when this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/477">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► game is running that some of the old days they would detect which specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/481">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► game is running in and perform some opposition to the new wouldn't cause any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/484">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► noticeable graphical glitch in that game just to get more performance out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/487">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► and that's why I was disappointed all-pro GPUs that means crappy game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/492">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► performance like the worst of both worlds expensive video hardware in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/496">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► crappy game performance but on the Mac that is not the case I'm going back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/499">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► historically Apple has shipped that use the same driver for the pro cards and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/503">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► non-pro cards and in the past that's meant that Apple's game performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/510">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► sucked equally across all the GPUs because they always optimize the drivers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/514">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► for correctness there it's ok let's do exactly what they open just access and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/517">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► correct mister I'm worried about speed later all tied to read it and so on so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/521">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► forth but over the past summer releases starting at 10.7 Apple has really tuned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/524">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► their video drivers to actually a decent performance out of games for working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/528">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► with companies like valve and stuff to do all those cheeky little things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/533">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► can do to make it performs better but at the same time those same drivers were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/536">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► also driving their high-end cars so it's my expectation when I get this new Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/541">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► Pro which i think im going to get now it's going to use the exact same drivers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/545">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► as a macro that had a high-end Radeon like a previous generation macro like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/549">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► it's not going to be a special slow down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/554">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► high-precision driver just these things are going to use the exact same drivers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/557">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► again video card with you and that means it should have pretty darn good game for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/560">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► me at least as good as you know as it would have had a big game car now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/564">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► doesn't quite help me that much unless Apple also the drivers boot camp so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/570">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► if I reboot into Windows I don't want to be forced to use like the windows slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/574">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► drivers from this project or whatever but just having to use a Mac gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/577">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► performance on the thing that makes me feel better so I i think im definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/582">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► getting one of these genes now I have to ask for your priorities as you know high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/585">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► performance but also significant gaming now that we know what the compromises [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/591">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► are for the next Mac Pro least we know we know most of them I think why not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/596">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► video cards on those things are there not desktop some of them might be his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/602">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► laptop GPUs but now they are actually pretty good these days I mean it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/609">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► like a $400 desktop card but could there not powerful and they're not replaceable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/613">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► so I couldn't even upgrade them down at the gym user in the neck profile by many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/622">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► ways but with the with the very fastest GPU the senate so that I can use it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/627">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► five years or whatever and at the end of his five years or so because like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/632">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► bought the highest and non pro video card that I can get with my current Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/635">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► Pro and to this day I can still play modern games on it the full resolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/640">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► of ice cream with the settings are normally given up on high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/643">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► so I just wanna get mileage of the card you know and that would be the energy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/646">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► tea yeah but think of it game-by-game a reason why I'm the wrong person to ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/650">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► but I am I'm surprised that he is now like what five years old I'm I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/656">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► surprised given the pace of a video card innovation I'm surprised that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/662">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► still do that with a five-year-old I can't play the very latest games I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/667">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► playing the very latest on portal 2 came out I could play it just find full frame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/671">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► rate for resolution anti-aliasing everything alright and that was only a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/675">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► couple of years ago the most recent game I played was walking dead which is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/677">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► graphically intensive game but it ran fine Diablo 3 when I came out ran fine I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/682">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► mean this is all going to be impaired by what I hope will be my retina screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/687">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► online night bro right so than that video card maybe won't last quite as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/692">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► long because I don't know how many games will take advantage of their writing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/695">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► resolution going forward but that's what I want to especially in a machine where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/700">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► it's not replaceable I get the most mileage so wouldn't want to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/705">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► something that's you know ok performance like tommy said anything about is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/707">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► be 500 duty right but I wouldn't want to buy an iMac with a sort of mediocre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/712">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► desktop GPU is not too much of the year ended last me three or four years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/717">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► then you know I would have to not play PC games anymore think about upgrading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/723">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► its in a special counsel a bar in IMAX screen over the last 35 years easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/728">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► because I would probably hold out for an iMac right and there would be like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/733">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► don't get rid of the screen the only things wrong with this machine is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/736">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► stupid GPU that I can't replace you know so better to get a machine where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/738">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► everything is maxed out too ridiculous degree and then the whole machine will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/742">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► age sort of together right so I had a thought about the displays and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/747">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► the scuttlebutt aw BDC was Jesus didn't release and retina display for the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/752">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► Pro I mean they they made some hand wavy talk over this supports for k screens by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/757">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► three of them in fact from a mistaken and but they never renounced an actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/764">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► Apple display and one of the things that occurred to me when the three of us for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/768">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► dinner one night was if the Mac Pro is this black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/772">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► I believe its aluminum anodized aluminum whatever it is it's black so if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/776">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► release a Retina display of Apple releases a Retina Display is that also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/780">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► going to be black in this is the first time that we have not aluminum coloured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/785">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► aluminium aluminium devices from Apple that our computers I should say in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/790">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► long time that are injured iPods right right that displays are anti-black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/795">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► though like the part you can see when you're sitting in front of the foot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/799">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► Silverbell like they've already changed the surface of the things to be black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/802">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► like the frame around this time not alter egos edge-to-edge alright well not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/806">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► a mile high res MacBook Pros I mean your point is still like the external ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/810">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► they changed the extra monitors to be to be black when they're facing you with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/815">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► exceptional the foot and I think that still matches with the black computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/819">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► you know I'm thinking I don't think that clashes I think that's their neutral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/823">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► tones so I notice place then i dont no I mean they haven't decided what they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/827">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► do have decided pricing I mean well my theory is and I don't forget whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/834">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► such as last week or not that it's it's interesting that has well is out for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/839">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► laptops but they only mention the MacBook Airs and the only updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/845">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► there's so much theory is sometime later this year in quotes probably alongside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/849">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► the Mac Pro launch they will potentially also launched new Retina MacBook Pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/856">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► with has well with the Honorable to and alongside those they will launch retina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/862">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► displays and only then the new Mac Pro and the new house bill retina MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/869">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► Pros will be able to drive them to you know if that that's a possibility has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/876">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► well and chipset support Thunderbolt to thunderbolts who from what I know which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/881">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► you know I think the best person to ask you this would be an awesome p but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/888">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► sorry for the pronunciation if I got that wrong with you probably got at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/895">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► least some part of it I believe that the Thunderball to chip or chipset or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/897">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► whatever it is that does it is separate from the main motherboard chipset ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/904">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► can be installed or integrated into any modern Intel board I think says it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/909">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► I suppose that's enough to know the dates and that I remember vividly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/916">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► remember the code names of the two different chipsets I think only member [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/921">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► of the not the current one but the next next 1000 region something but any right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/923">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► to die think that's the next next one next one is something else Ridge anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/927">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► that is a reasonable reason why they those things could have been delayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/934">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► that they're gonna run Thunderball too but it's a weird that they didn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/938">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► any mention at all and end at those chips are ready like any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/941">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► explanation is maybe the Intel can deliver the CPUs in volume that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/947">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► possible that's certainly a more boring explanation for for the delay doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/950">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► use the same thing that Google uses the ultra low-power directors big package [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/956">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► thing which is totally different and apparently is enough of those to say hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/960">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► the MacBook Air shipping today right and actually I would expect those would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/963">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► like the better be in part because those are the ones that can run at super low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/967">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► voltages right I mean like you would think they can deliver those that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/970">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► probably deliver the big ones thanks I think the recall Thunderbolt to ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/973">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► that thing could be the delay our competitors have excess inventory of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/981">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► retina MacBook Pros they want to get rid of her something or they're just holding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/983">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► it back until they can launch the Mac Pro which is at least Q-three cause the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/988">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► Mac Pro CPUs aren't out yet and so if they can do like a big bro lunch where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/992">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► they they satisfy all the pros ones with a Mac Pro new Retina MacBook Pros and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/997">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► Retina display that would be a nice little event and you know maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► coincided with a minor update to you know final cut ten or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► something like that it would it would make sense to to combine those timers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► into you know stick to coalesce those times into one thing that holds at home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1015">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► Mac Pro announcement was just really weird to me is acknowledged to be weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► in the Keno like we normally don't do this like you normally don't do this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► really off in the distance but we know that people are going to freak out if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► don't say anything about it you know it's it's almost as if like last year W [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► ABC they said I know you're awake for Mac Pro now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► and he hears these ones that aren't really that new but trust us next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► we'll have a good one like him in the kind of did that by having a public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► statement or another public statement an email response from Tim Cook saying oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► yeah next year the nice but like renouncing products it's just crazy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► I guess that did it for damage control because they didn't we already come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► and that's why none of us expected impact on us when we were joking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► it feels like we knew it couldn't possibly be ready because we knew what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► kind of CPUs it would have to use and those aren't ready to turn up those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► aren't ready but what we're gonna show anyway here it is again but for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► we won't even tell you monitor smartphone pricing but it's here it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► shaped like a garbage cans coming I think you could point to QRS in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► chatroom said aperture for maybe something to consider here the new Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► Pro has this pretty lopsided design where it has only one CPU socket so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► had it can get a good amount of CPU power in there but then it has this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► insane amount of GPU power at the seams from from the word in their views and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► and and what's on their site it seems as though the dual GPU setup is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► optional that it looks like all the Magpies will come with the same GPU set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► up and if that's the case and I and obviously that's that's gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► potential cost implications but there is a really lopsided power balance of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► get some CPU power but you really want to buy this thing for the GPUs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► what's interesting you know I see no I seen a few places report that only one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► of the GPUs is going to be used to drive displays and that the other one is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► to be used exclusively for OpenCL type computations and so you're gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► this ridiculous amount of power that today only a few apps really make any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► good use of right I mean I don't think it's very widely supported yet and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► maybe Apple's pro apps are gonna be substantially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► shifted over to put a lot of work into OpenCL maybe you know more than they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► already are and I think they're already doing some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► a majority is the GPUs like crazy and it's not so much that one GB was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► dedicated to OpenCL it's that only one GPU is connected up to the Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► ports so what's it like this are both available for OpenCL like you could see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► both of those GPUs is available as you know whenever they call them like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► know computing resources you see one G one CPU and GPU you can use both of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► missiles that only one of them is connected only one of them has placed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► you can plug in a display so the other one is never going to drive a display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► but even when one is driving display you could run OpenCL stuff on both of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► right okay and what's interesting about that is that now you have this this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► Mac Pro that for other reasons it probably is going to be a pretty bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► deal like it's probably not gonna be a great value for the fourth CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► performance it's not going to be a great value for its RAM sealing the universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► all these different things you know I speak the same to cost like three or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► four thousand bucks base and it but if they if if Pro users are using these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► certain software packages that make really great use of OpenCL then this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► machine is gonna pull away the entire rest of the Mac lineup is so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► well I think about what those people would have to pay before like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► during the lunchtime demo with your pics are up their program and saying how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► great it was alright if he wanted to get the equivalent GPU power and another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► machine like even to Sakura Mac Pro it would probably cost him the price of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► new Mac Pro just about the video cards because there's a ridiculous like $3500 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► for the video card and that's that's nothing on the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► I was thinking about pricing yet we do this at Dr wave this week where we both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► came out of the market when I came out of the keynote we've all said like 2999 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► $999 was our guest for the base price of thing but now I think I've changed and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► think they could hit 2504 the lowest I was saying that I think the way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► could do that is the AMD FirePro GP-one line comes in a lot of different sizes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► and if they if Apple decides to offer anything other than the super duper high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► and one that they could reduce the price lobby whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► yeltsin there is relatively cheap like this not as many moving parts just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► Intel CPU with that cuts like 500 bucks off the price right there which is nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► I was gonna have a crazy margins and their stupid pci-express SSD thing I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► sure whatever the RAM handling and if they can get you know the quote-unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1316">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► crappy fire perot GPUs in there with much much less VRAM set of the maximum I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► 26 gigs each sixties each success combined for 16 GB Hermes and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► gaming video cards this point have two gigabytes of urine like the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► expensive game cards of 60 each re no its not gonna ship with a base trim of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► the whole machine of 12 gigs like they're gonna have more RAM than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► main machine I think the basement be 16 gigs but anyway if they have a cheap out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► on on the GPUs you couldn't they could have an entry level model that no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► wants to buy including me for a trial so it sounds like both both you guys are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► for one there are going to be one of every room in the house double as always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► but I i think probably by one but I i'm not the big two questions about whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► the price is going to be and whether there'll be retina displays like if this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► ends up being one of the only machines that can drive around the display and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► may be the only one that can do really well when when those eventually come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► then I'll by 10 question because I really want a desktop size retina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► display and surely the only one that's gonna be able to play games plan know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► how important it is to you I don't care about all I would feel kind of like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► idiot buying this computer that has these two ridiculous high-power GPUs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► using the most of the time to display like text made and perhaps that's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► Xcode as usual I'm doing on asked on Twitter today won't text editor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► developers and the people who write Xcode now change their applications to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► take advantage of those dual GPU yeah i cant im having trouble think he seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► that kind of GPU power in your text either unless all the text was like made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► 3d and flying through some kind of world as you type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► the matrix text editor minority report says that all on the Mac Pro I guess for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1434">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► now we really don't know much about it yet that's the big at the big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► until we know pricing and options and and you know possibly read no question I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► I think it's gonna be hard to make any other really great statements about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► just because we don't have it yet and there's so much we don't know there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► another piece of follow-up that I think mostly John want to talk about the maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► we can do sponsors so Johnson about the new Xbox just came out today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► yeah this is the obvious joke sometimes you wonder like if if these stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► happen because there's a perfect name for it like he just couldn't couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► resist note the show note and the nine headlines Xbox moneyed which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1487">TS</a>]
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00:25:19 ◼ ► like the idea of having to check in the fact that you couldn't sell games game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1519">TS</a>]
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00:25:31 ◼ ► DRM and so if you bought a game store and get the disc selling that distant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► friend was pointless because if they put the disk into their machine would do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1535">TS</a>]
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00:25:40 ◼ ► have the rights to it according to our service and game companies were allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► to not allow the games to result even in digital form and so all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► pissed off gamers and 83 Stony hammered them in their presentations and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► their presentation was all about look at how much better we are the Microsoft and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► Sony was gonna like standing ovations for standard features of game consoles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► like oh my god it's amazing I combined is going to star in the south to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► friend so Microsoft Word file again hammered like someone online poll Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► or some other site like hey guys who's thinking about getting one of the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► generation consoles through the just ps4 vs Xbox one biggest now with the Wii U [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► and normally those polls like on the dawn of a console generation launch are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► always like 50 52 because all the fanboys from both of the council's go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1591">TS</a>]
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00:26:48 ◼ ► have been a bunch of Sony fans who knows but like you never say I've never seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1608">TS</a>]
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00:26:54 ◼ ► Microsoft than what they did which was kind of gutsy but also kind of lame and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1614">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► weird or whatever just reversed everything it's a never never mind it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► exactly like the Xbox 360 go to store you buy discs and that's just like 36 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► the end they also eliminated all the good features of the Xbox one where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1629">TS</a>]
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00:27:16 ◼ ► you liked up to 10 people in your family could play the games have you bought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1636">TS</a>]
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00:27:23 ◼ ► didn't have to buy to get you to have the shipping the discs and digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► downloads now it's just like the 360 where you can do this all download but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1647">TS</a>]
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00:27:51 ◼ ► got rid of those online things you have to set up your Xbox one but after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1671">TS</a>]
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00:27:59 ◼ ► have internet connectivity to run then you're fine so it's kind of a mixed bag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► it's good in that they reverse their stupid decisions it's bad and they got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► rid of all the things that might have been cool and I think it's bad like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/1690">TS</a>]
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00:36:36 ◼ ► the hands of a young child and it just made a bigger was like comically I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► I had to be one of the things but it was it was ridiculous like an iPad Mini and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► there's a bunch of things I was seventh at that light itself to this deal does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► that feel like a lock screen with the gesture for swiping where you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► to swim in particular reason you also have been aware the icons on the home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► screen bigger so I mean anything by it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► anything they make bigger like all this will look more normal a larger size even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► in the navigation bar the the texts in the buttons that would say the word back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► yet over the backbone that text is larger because i dont have borders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► around and it's like anything that they make larger you think ok well when this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► is a larger phone it will fit in better there it's not going to complete a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► stream because they do have the adjustable text sizing that they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► hope so I just broke but whatever the adjustable text sizing doesn't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► alter the size of things like navigation elements that would force people to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► our metrics are all I think permanent right but but but noted I said the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► button text is better so they're trying to strike a balance that I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► everything to be bigger business will look around on the smaller phone I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► everything to scale because that will make after the nightmare but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► combined with larger icons combine with bigger tax on the navigation but with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► the same now bar sizes and all that stuff it's like a man has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► discussing in the first couple of ATP we don't expect a humongous Lee bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► phone just a little bit bigger and bigger in in two dimensions and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► think I was seven is perfectly suited for an ever so slightly bigger iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► that's both has a slightly higher resolution and also like a lower dots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► per inch because then you could you know those two factors combine those two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► relatively small factors combine give you a phone that is bigger than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► iPhone 5 but it's not comically large friend and I you know before when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► whenever that was like five months ago or whatever that was I would you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► had my theory about well they can keep the same resolution just make everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► a little bigger and ever will be fine with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► now I'm not so sure that's the case you know now I think you're right that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► could just increase resolution a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► and and just you know make the panel you know get me give us you know what is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► give us maybe like a five-inch 144 even four and a half inch would look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► substantially larger and and I think they could do that and and even just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► stellar evolution of proportionally if they really want to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► I think now they're they're obviously preparing for non fixed resolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► iPhones if that makes sense or rather you know it from multiple sizes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► iPhones I i think that I think the pieces are in place now that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► the tea leaves turn to line up to say this is probably where they're heading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► and still doesn't quite address the issues we discussed that for themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► the reason he loves and red zone with larger screens it's not just that its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► larger which i think is at least half of it but there's another part of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► that Android phones when running on larger screen Android software running a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► large screen phones put up more you I am in it like a man and a miniature version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► of what I paid for the iPad version of got all the spacing of a totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► different you I was slightly bigger phone if it's bigger enough maybe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► have room for it to a bar before you didn't maybe have room for one more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► toolbar button like there are things you can do to actually give you an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► application that isn't doesn't just give you more viewable area for content which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► is great and everything doesn't just have barter exercises in larger buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► but also this is true for a little more information and maybe a feature that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► didn't fit on the phone can fit there I don't know if Apple's full movie bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► enough to even give you one more toolbar icons for the space or one more tool bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► word in the new world of Iowa somewhere like to use words sometimes that of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► icons but it's possible it's possible that applications like you got optimized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► for iPad right in the centre totally different application basically under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► the covers it might be very similar but the UI can be very different and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► you have your iPhone 5 size version of it and then you have your iPhone 6 plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► or whatever when you get one more to borrow or you didn't have it or not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► do or you have another little road things on the right side or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► like that I would really be interested and that's the last piece of the puzzle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► I don't think it's necessary I think simply making a larger screen is plenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► bigger resolution larger everything people still love that but if if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► possible to optimize your app for the apps to do that to provide a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► more you I'm features I think that will be the icing on the cake and we'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2455">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► what happens I just thought it was interesting that that all the signs are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► pointing more towards yes and that gesture I don't know why but for me it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► really made me think you know what this this iPhone plus whatever they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► to call it that that really could be a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► the other thing that's been yelling at me all week since I left the keynote was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► there talk about iOS version adoption and the general gist of it is that ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► everyone upgrades to the latest version of iOS immediately you know of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► immediately is defined as a few weeks or whatever the case may be but it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► people upgrade to the latest version I was very quickly and that's generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► true especially on point releases but what occurred to me was I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► reading david smith's I was version stats in seeing that adoption of iOS 6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► was not that quick at all because everyone's freaking out about Apple maps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► well so that's that's actually not supported by the data that's a very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► common theory but like he was OK when holding back because they don't want iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2516">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► 6 maps etc and then the theory was that once Google Maps app comes out then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► should see a big bump in six adoption and you didn't like there is almost no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► change in the rate of adoption when when Google Maps app Google Maps Afghan out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► for iOS and so it it looks like that probably was not the reason I mean for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► me i think the biggest reason why I was 6 adoption you know it I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► climbed at a relatively normal rate and then just kind of peaked at like 92 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► whatever percent that it is now and if you look I was 5 adoption like I was for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► adoption has shrunk proportionally as you'd expect I was 5 adoption is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► law and my theory there is all about the iPad one that you know granted apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► sold a lot more devices that run everything else than the iPad 1 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► there still are a lot of iPad ones and use and the iPad one was sold until like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► what two and a half years ago it wasn't it wasn't that long ago that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► still sold and people were buying this like 500 + dollar computer type device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► and so the end and it's not a contract not subsidized so they expected to last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► so there are still a lot of iPad ones and use the camera 906 and I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► you know how much of the percentage of people still on five that represents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► probably not even the majority of it but I bet that's like a big solid chunk in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► there that just is not going away anytime soon and you know what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► probably right I just know whether or not it was dated back to nine maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► made that up but certainly anecdotally I know a lot of my mildly nerdy friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► had said oh I can't get that new Apple maps think it's it's terrible I won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► have it and either way I mean that I was trying to build up to the arts of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► question that argument of what do we think about I was 7 adoption do we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► it'll be quick to think they'll be really really slow by comparison to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► other versions of iOS my inclination is I feel like it will be kind of in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► middle I think it which is of course the worst hedging ever but I really think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► it'll be less quick then a lot of the less remarkable major releases but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► don't I think a lot of people are gonna really like it and I think that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► it'll be alright but I'm curious to hear what you guys think you'll probably be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► driven like a lot of these things are there they're driven and aided by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► fact that Apple continues to sell more and more phones now grab the growth rate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► has leveled off a little bit but assuming I was 7 launches with a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► phone like the new phones gonna come at seven and people very quickly stopped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► buying the old one and so you get this immediate boost from just like all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► the iPhone 5s or six or whatever that is especially if it's an iPhone 6 of it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► they don't do a 5s and it's actually a different form factor and it was like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► bigger one or something that will give Iowa seventy huge boost out of the gate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► and skew the statistics but after the adoption will probably be about the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► as it was 46 if only because like that thing where they push the update tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► you I know I was gonna have automatic updates and same firm average and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► that rule drive adoption going forward even more but even just the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► model where they're like hey there's a new version of my restaurant upgrade and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► people had a button and then it does it that's what's driving all this adoption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► it's like you know that jeff Atwood post from I guess years ago this point of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► infinite version Google Chrome is the best one of the pioneers in this where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► you don't do anything you don't have to make any choices you use it and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► don't if you don't know anything about if you use it and quit that program and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► relaunch it is updating itself unbeknownst to you like they'll put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► little color arrow or whatever in the toolbar and if you notice that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► never like it used to be more entries are now just like look we're gonna let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► you go chrome there's nothing you can do about it i mean there is some way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► stop but the defaults are you gonna get updated version of go home you're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► who knows the latest and that is they know the idea that you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► versions of software that you get comfortable with like where you buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► 2002 car sorry for the car if you want on your driving it was replaced with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2777">TS</a>]
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00:46:27 ◼ ► seat fabric was nicer in the radio controls are you just get used to when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► you have a software in the past has been like that when you get to know Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► you know version 3.0 you like WoW players this is awesome and this program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► is great and then 4.0 comes out you're like oh that's just weird and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► shouldn't 2.53 busy as a maybe you do maybe like channel operations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► players but anyway you get used to a piece of software and and you say okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2807">TS</a>]
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00:46:56 ◼ ► would ever want to change and if it changed underneath you like whoa what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► the menus change in the keyboard chunk of change they changed all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► things about this program I would happen them out working on that one back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► because you think of software as this one thing that you get like a physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2825">TS</a>]
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00:47:14 ◼ ► trained not to think of software that way if you use Chrome the program you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► using now is not like the one you were using several years ago and you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► do anything about that you could have just never touched me but never said yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► to any updates updates itself can you come in today and for the most part is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► different it's faster it's better to more stable has more features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► but also a change of stuff like all the menus are different and that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► preferences are different things kept moving into the into browser tabs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/2856">TS</a>]
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01:00:10 ◼ ► Warner show notes this up on medium site which I don't really like the or else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► from because you can't read them but i right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► he responded and Evans fast explaining how wrong this is not really applicable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► in cases of design because you know you need to talk about it in context and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► fill the roles not a piece of art is not just mostly pleasing to the eye as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► functional aspect and so on and so forth and so both those not so much but my man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► reaction to Nevins thing was and I think I think people are gonna call myself an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► artist but I did do a lot of our related things early in my life and still have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► that bent believe it or not as a programmer and one of the things I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► found myself doing when I was doing you know visual are working even visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► design stuff is trying to prevent myself from giving in to the feeling that never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3655">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► has which is when you make something and you and your sort of artistically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► inclined you can look at it and see that it's not quite right and if you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► little more experience a little more skill you can see there's not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► right and know what's wrong with it and fix it so that's what he did with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► App Store icon doesn't look right to me and actually go for that I know why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► doesn't look right it's because the the space around the circle is not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► right if I change a circle decide now is more pleasing to me in a sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► intuitive sense that you have a gmail is worried about intuition being data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► driven process running on a machine with thousands of years of evolution behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► her something to that effect but you look at it you just feel that's wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► and so what you can do if if you're making a piece of art is just keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► changing it into you feel happy with it doesn't look quite right and if you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► what it is about this wrong you keep moving it more and more towards that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► idea until you look like now that's it looks beautiful right and some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► just don't have that they can look at one logo in the lower down there about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► the same know the person one logo with the circle that's five percent bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► totally wrong and other one is like all that's the one right but if you are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► if you give in to that feeling when you're making something if every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► aspect of it you just use the use your intuition when you end up doing is sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► of painting the entire design with the sort of sameness we're especially in web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► but even assuming you're doing you know drawing picture something when you step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► away from you like oh now I have made this entire thing pleasing to the eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► and all aspects and it looks bland and boring and so one of the first impulse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► as I can remember having when I was taking our lessons as a kid is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► sometimes when you're drawing something for designing something you take some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► aspect of it and you intentionally make it look wrong not not wrong in a sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► of ugly or anything but you you pushed the limit of you say this was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► perfect and write a nice and beautiful and you know you like the golden ratio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► and it looks like a beautiful woman it would look like nature and it would look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► like a fractal and it would just be so pleasing to the eye but i wanna push it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► slightly more along one axis because it creates a current of visual and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► emotional tension you can't do them all aspects of things make some things right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► the heavy take one aspect of it you press it a little bit sometimes with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► purpose but sometimes just because you feel like you know what this will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► more interesting if I make this one aspect of it not conform to this ideal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► of beauty that I have my head and your knowingly doing that I'm not sure that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► what I was seven is done but when I look at it I think there are parts of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► design that is unsettling for some colors are usually easy to be like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► circus-like yes I saw them and they look too big to me as well but I thought like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► they know that these circle seem too big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► perhaps it's for readability at you know the icon needs to be readable instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3835">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► you know just visually pleasing to see if you made it smaller would look nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► but it also could be the design where everything is made to conform to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► beautiful ideal is more boring and lacks character and I'm willing to believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► that some aspects of Iowa simes design were done with that in mind that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► design that is beautiful in all aspects and and purple uniform store ideal of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► beauty is boring and I like it to push push the envelope in some aspect because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► that's more interesting alternative there that maybe johnnie I was not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► graphical design which is a lot less interesting hit-and-run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► I mean it's true there are more boring explanations they made them bigger so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► the more readable and they're gonna shine in my area and the colors are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► harder to go by but the same kind of thing colors like sometimes you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► especially if you've done art for a really long time it's like you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► burned out on just everything being beautiful and perfect like sometimes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3896">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► make something intentionally on something and I think there's a tension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► in that kind of design that tickles the brand nether regions of artists to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► at it and they find that nicer and that's something that's polarizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► regular people probably don't care about the colors which will probably people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► probably likely but I think these icons and everything else about it will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► refined over time but I hope they don't I hope they don't do a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► revisions you see like I'm sure every design I was somehow it's better this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► way and they're just a sameness to them if like just making everything boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► and and and beautiful unconventional ways like the saturating the caller is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► making it all like you know beautiful and low contrast and pale and grayscale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► and lots of other designer II tendencies that if applied on mass to an entire OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► make the whole thing boring you know I don't know why I think I think it's too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► early to say whether like they're just bad at this right now whether this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► like intentionally along one side I think time will tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► I'm certainly interested to see what the fallout is from all the complaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► about the icons are they going to do a Microsoft Xbox 180 or they just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► forward and see what happens I mean like Microsoft designed windows 8 was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► we had this bold direction but try to like in terms of shapes i guess im not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► in terms of colors try to make things you know recent like there there are no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► comments on this icon to the two big circles in Windows 8 that i've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► right they they fit things inside the boxes with you know crack spacing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► margins and nothing is uncomfortably too big or too small within the borders of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► where you know where some of those icons like the grid itself mean that that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► outer circle just too darn close to the edges of that round wreck right and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► sits uncomfortably close for people with design sensibilities and surely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► everyone inside Apple design sensibilities knows but but never put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► there that that doesn't that isn't the most pleasing visual arrangement but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► can think of lots of reasons why they would intentionally do that I will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► alright thanks a lot to our two sponsors this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► Squarespace and an Event Apart and I guess we'll see you next week now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► show they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► death was accidental and you can t be L and Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4059">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► for the lifeless as we should specify that the second show this week will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► an early recording I know you kind of early recording because john's traveling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► next week so we're recording next week's episode this Friday so in two days from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► now hopefully Apple and i buy nintendo on Monday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► what the hell I'm thinking of a story that it would kill me not to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► talk about and in a timely manner and then we should be published the show for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► next week and it would not be about one you tend to like what the hell well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4134">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► Marcos your number money command was introduced by Nintendo yourself you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► sell it yeah I've gotten good at USC this this Mac Pro benchmark that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► leaked like an hour 50 minutes after we stopped talking with my bro I clicked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► the but we had done by then I didn't I don't get the reader but show me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► number that's why I was so annoyed about doing it again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► don't compare the new Mac Pro the old Mac Pro we all agree the old micro socks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► well there's always a few things that are interesting about this benchmark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► first of all it is the first time we've seen as far as I know it's the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► time we've seen any benchmarks of the Xeon if I V two series right i mean this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► is giving up its possible I don't even think this is the first time that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► particular Ciani five model has even been leaked so now if this is correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► now we know there will be a model called the E five 2607 it'll be 2.7 hurts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► of course that's as far as I know that's all new information but beyond that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► performance here is really impressive it's obviously very impressive to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► deep bench overall score of 24,000 out of Woonsocket testing like less than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► one-third of the transistors in this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► while they were there were some more tests and stuff but I mean like two GPUs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► the most power devices in the GPS is stressing this is more of a CPU I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► or maybe has a different mode for I don't know but yeah this is mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► GPS it also I'm guessing it's all so it's kind of like it's like we're it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► like you know a good car analogy like bench benchmarking benchmarking the gas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► mileage of the Veyron it's an interesting benchmark but maybe not what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► that cars designed to do in like it's basically a bunch of GPUs ramen has dado [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4256">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► by the way CPU type thing to run it all in terms of like transistor count and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► maybe like as Morgan that perhaps in terms of ran counter to what I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► sad part is like it what they they've ever pull off this really great score [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► that with Woonsocket blows away the previous 12 core by something like 10 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► 15 percent that sucks but imagine if they made it to soccer vs then you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► hire 45,000 keeping score well you can you find software that uses twenty-four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► course that's pretty difficult video script that you wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► way back when I remember seeing the flyby went during your time of day when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► you were trying to code centralized yeah it's me and there's like I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► like an hour an argument for XRD something with those roughly the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4313">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► you know 25 you know what annoys me when I went ahead at the show is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► mp3 encoding is not is not well paralyzed apple and because there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► this bit reservoir something I don't know they're there some reason I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► looking I was looking into it while at the lame encoder is not just single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► threat it's lame yeah you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► any any compression scheme the data depends on the day via becomes both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► before and after it's not easy to break it up into chunks big chunks are related [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► so insanely CPU intensive that I would imagine they were designed from the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► beginning to be more parallel they have the same thing like video codecs have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► the thing we're like the current frame depends on the past frame in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► for and so like obviously these are paralyzed but there's blocks there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► like to be frame or something and then there's the block and you like you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► pass one block to a different thread paralyzing but it's not as simple as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4376">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► something like you know just copy data up into pieces have those pieces process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► independently reassemble the results which would be like strictly linear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► parallelization right exactly I don't know I think what concerns me about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► of course I wonder I wonder if we can get a comparison between the like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► single-threaded tests of this versus my current 3.33 gigahertz two generations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► old this might be slower and something certain things cause I could have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdThuF5c/4409">TS</a>]
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