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00:03:56 ◼   ► I couldn't put in the effort really deserved with the magazine it was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/236">TS</a>]

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00:04:02 ◼   ► indefinitely because it wasn't taking up much of my time but why keep a business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/242">TS</a>]

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00:05:21 ◼   ► couldn't have done exactly what glenn is doing now which is like you know so he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/321">TS</a>]

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00:05:57 ◼   ► that glenn is doing with it basically delegating to other people to do all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/357">TS</a>]

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00:06:34 ◼   ► really didn't care that much about I wasn't that motivated to do and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/394">TS</a>]

00:06:37 ◼   ► ultimately it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/397">TS</a>]

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00:07:00 ◼   ► the management in the business stuff you know that's why I do that stuff because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/420">TS</a>]

00:07:05 ◼   ► I have to not because I really loved it and so the magazine had become my role [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/425">TS</a>]

00:07:11 ◼   ► in the magazine had become pretty much all business stuff and overhead and none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/431">TS</a>]

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00:07:21 ◼   ► to our friend underscore David Smith recently a couple hours ago and Casino [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/441">TS</a>]

00:07:28 ◼   ► David Smith has lots of apps he he has a portfolio of many apps he does a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/448">TS</a>]

00:07:32 ◼   ► things I don't think I can really do that you know when when I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/452">TS</a>]

00:07:37 ◼   ► working on the magazine alongside Instapaper after I started learning some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/457">TS</a>]

00:07:40 ◼   ► of these difficulties and my my motivation our personality or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/460">TS</a>]

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00:07:48 ◼   ► time the same type you know I can do a web app and a native app that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/468">TS</a>]

00:07:54 ◼   ► that those are different enough I can do a nap a podcast and blog because those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/474">TS</a>]

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00:08:18 ◼   ► out in a couple of days and and and it does it didn't require any maintenance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/498">TS</a>]

00:08:23 ◼   ► and it made something like 30 bucks over the course of its life but you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/503">TS</a>]

00:08:27 ◼   ► didn't require any maintenance so that you know that's another that's a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/507">TS</a>]

00:08:30 ◼   ► other story but to have like two apps going at the same time that both need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/510">TS</a>]

00:08:35 ◼   ► good amount of attention on going I can't do that I I really don't work well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/515">TS</a>]

00:08:40 ◼   ► that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/520">TS</a>]

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00:08:49 ◼   ► app so you know I wanted to start a new thing and I know I could have kept doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/529">TS</a>]

00:08:54 ◼   ► the magazine but I was so not that into it already has a piece of what I what my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/534">TS</a>]

00:09:00 ◼   ► job had become that I created for myself I was so not that into it already that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/540">TS</a>]

00:09:05 ◼   ► you know i i wanted to clean place I wanted to have nothing else competing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/545">TS</a>]

00:09:11 ◼   ► for my attention in the in the app space also I mentioned last episode or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/551">TS</a>]

00:09:16 ◼   ► recently I don't know what I don't talk about mentioned last episode or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/556">TS</a>]

00:09:21 ◼   ► something like that that that I work in burst of productivity running a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/561">TS</a>]

00:09:25 ◼   ► publication doesn't really allow you to do that because there's a there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/565">TS</a>]

00:09:30 ◼   ► publication schedule so every two weeks even though it wasn't a lot of work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/570">TS</a>]

00:09:35 ◼   ► me know glenn was doing almost all of it already but every two weeks I had to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/575">TS</a>]

00:09:39 ◼   ► XYZ and doing a podcast and you know that's that's a little bit different in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/579">TS</a>]

00:09:45 ◼   ► that it's easier and it's more of me being creative and having this creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/585">TS</a>]

00:09:49 ◼   ► output publishing an issue of the magazine did not involve creativity on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/589">TS</a>]

00:09:53 ◼   ► my part by very much you know why I picked a few photos and put the cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/593">TS</a>]

00:09:56 ◼   ► image that's about it and I had to pay checks to everybody and do the server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/596">TS</a>]

00:10:00 ◼   ► push and stuff like that and he just wasn't it wasn't that interesting so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/600">TS</a>]

00:10:05 ◼   ► like having to do it every two weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/605">TS</a>]

00:10:07 ◼   ► felt like a restriction on me whereas oh and you can only take a week off I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/607">TS</a>]

00:10:12 ◼   ► show you know if we really want to we could take a week off not that any of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/612">TS</a>]

00:10:16 ◼   ► are likely to do that but if we really wanted to we could take a week off with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/616">TS</a>]

00:10:21 ◼   ► with a publication you can't so it was a lock me into this fixed schedule but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/621">TS</a>]

00:10:27 ◼   ► don't really work very well that way so that was another reason but anyway it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/627">TS</a>]

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00:10:36 ◼   ► and and be able to put myself into my next project fully and that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/636">TS</a>]

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00:10:57 ◼   ► seeing a trend that anything that's compulsory you tend to not like and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/657">TS</a>]

00:11:01 ◼   ► the case of the magazine once you know it's a trend since like 1st grade it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/661">TS</a>]

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00:11:11 ◼   ► homework you've talked about how you don't really love paying taxes which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/671">TS</a>]

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00:11:26 ◼   ► magazine to build on what you're saying before is because you had to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/686">TS</a>]

00:11:29 ◼   ► productive at certain times it's not that you hated necessarily doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/689">TS</a>]

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00:28:43 ◼   ► about this because it's not easy you can just give her like are you should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/1723">TS</a>]

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00:28:54 ◼   ► like a gut feeling or whatever what are the right settings that what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:57 ◼   ► important what isn't because we all know that you know the settings and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/1737">TS</a>]

00:29:01 ◼   ► application can make or break it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/1741">TS</a>]

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00:29:05 ◼   ► doing a lot of them it's like well everyone needs to change something can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:09 ◼   ► change things I want to change that's pretty terrible right but by the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:12 ◼   ► token if you put in the wrong settings only three seconds into the wrong ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/1752">TS</a>]

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00:29:49 ◼   ► giving a pat answer like oh they pay us to make decisions for them and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/1789">TS</a>]

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00:31:12 ◼   ► channeling Tim Cook and it's weird to see that reversed now you know when tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:15 ◼   ► is talking about financial stuff and supply chains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/1875">TS</a>]

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00:32:20 ◼   ► said it and you look at the sky speak and he has a rock I mean he he is rock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/1940">TS</a>]

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00:32:47 ◼   ► talking about the many think I think you'd see him doing a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:51 ◼   ► misstatements or kind of awkward clumsy handling of the Stevens but he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/1971">TS</a>]

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00:35:00 ◼   ► learned from other people even though he also probably understood them but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2100">TS</a>]

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00:35:12 ◼   ► were there we saw a speck on the stage of whatever but you can't feel them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:15 ◼   ► around that the Tim Cook is has the same enthusiasm and passion and he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:20 ◼   ► faking it Steve Jobs have these things I think about the time he was he was on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:23 ◼   ► stage talking about like that the blind guy using the iPad to like walk around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:27 ◼   ► the woods and he's in my season Academy award-winning actor he was not faking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:31 ◼   ► like the fact that that that made him feel like what he's doing with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:36 ◼   ► career and life is meaningful write more so than all the stuff they asked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:40 ◼   ► market share files or whatever he is really you know touched by the idea the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:46 ◼   ► things he's making your changing the world in a touchy-feely Apple you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2146">TS</a>]

00:35:49 ◼   ► kind of way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:50 ◼   ► and that that i think is his best asset as CEO Markus second-best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:56 ◼   ► second to his expertise in the job that he had before he was see is the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2156">TS</a>]

00:36:02 ◼   ► that he really is enthusiastic about the stuff and he's not he's not a bean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:07 ◼   ► counter and he's not just out there too assertive steer the ship and like he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:12 ◼   ► not just a manager from Andrew sake why you have to come back to where he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:16 ◼   ► before I you know why you know you don't sell sugar water coming Stephen change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:22 ◼   ► the world well with Tim too I think we've really seen over the last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:26 ◼   ► especially we've really seen him just developed this incredible image of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:34 ◼   ► not only being an absolute rock about everything and you know this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:38 ◼   ► definitely a guy you want running your company but you can also tell that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:43 ◼   ► not an idiot on any level like you know like to use of Steve Jobs where the he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:47 ◼   ► not a bozo at all like you can tell this guy is sharp and knows exactly what he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:52 ◼   ► doing but he's also and he has he's very deliberate in what he does you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:57 ◼   ► doesn't it doesn't feel like he's like you know there are 38 the law see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2217">TS</a>]

00:37:01 ◼   ► sticks it seems like he's really being a very deliberate about everything he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:04 ◼   ► but also he projects a very very nice personality when he speaks publicly he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:12 ◼   ► seems he seems extremely polite well-spoken in personable but still firm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:19 ◼   ► and strong and so I think he has the perfect image of what you do lawn a CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:25 ◼   ► of a of an important company to have when he's extremely deliberate in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:31 ◼   ► way he speaks as well something I wish I could be better about is taking a moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:36 ◼   ► to think about what you were going to say specially in like a one-on-one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:39 ◼   ► conversation this podcast is little bit different but if you're in a serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:44 ◼   ► conversation saying remember that I do consultant for a living so say I'm had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2264">TS</a>]

00:37:48 ◼   ► client and they asked me a question my natural inclination is to fire off an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:52 ◼   ► answer immediately and one thing that I respect deeply about him is that he will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:58 ◼   ► sit there and allows silence so he can collect his thoughts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:02 ◼   ► and make sure that his answer is a great one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:05 ◼   ► not just a good one not just an acceptable one but a great one and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:09 ◼   ► was a big Steve Jobs and Steve Jobs was just like that that pause and a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:13 ◼   ► point steve jobs that are you wanted to see pausing together his thoughts or is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:17 ◼   ► now is now is asked of a head game like he's already knows what he's gonna like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:23 ◼   ► it was a 1998 or whatever he was doing Q&A and the guy pat and they're not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:31 ◼   ► question about the United question is like it was clear that you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:35 ◼   ► what you doing here in a bit open doc or something it would never end he just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:39 ◼   ► pause after that I should time in the video it's like so long are you waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:43 ◼   ► for their response there I can think of a couple of things to say about Tim Cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:48 ◼   ► just like well compared to save jobs right and with any kind of powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:53 ◼   ► person speaking publicly like you previously had two choices you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2333">TS</a>]

00:39:00 ◼   ► guy who really truly believes what he sayin and his earnest about it and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:05 ◼   ► guy who says exactly the right thing but give some kind of hinted he also knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:12 ◼   ► that it's been good examples being at the top of the stairs the Congressional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:15 ◼   ► Ethics playing apples business everything and did nothing wrong like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:20 ◼   ► did exactly what you're supposed to do and i cant decide I actually like I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:25 ◼   ► decide for me I think it's worse to be the guy who really believes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:28 ◼   ► everything you're telling congress is the 100% straight honest truth like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:33 ◼   ► know the fact that he never mentioned why then did things overseas and how is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:37 ◼   ► a tax avoidance schemes stuff like that like everything you said was true is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:41 ◼   ► sort of an errand of omission and I feel more comfortable like Steve Jobs is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:46 ◼   ► doing it he would he would make it clear that everyone knows is BS 'cause ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:50 ◼   ► watching those its BS congress notice vs Tim Cook know we all know it's like kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:54 ◼   ► of its theater right but sometimes I think that temp the first second or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:59 ◼   ► I think the team could really believes what he's saying I'm like wait a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2399">TS</a>]

00:40:02 ◼   ► he knows what's really you know he's no dummy we're all in on this or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:05 ◼   ► but he's so earnestly like oh my god maybe he really believes that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:10 ◼   ► like now come on here and to me that's worse I would rather have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:14 ◼   ► like the guy who's in on the sort of shared delusion that were all you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:20 ◼   ► the suspension of disbelief for this theater type thing but then the true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:24 ◼   ► believer technique is it a second time cook really believes the dead everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:29 ◼   ► he omitted in discussing the apples various tax shelters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:33 ◼   ► doesn't exist then we know no trouble I mean this is testament to how incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:38 ◼   ► Ernest N R's like for a second he can you believe it he really believes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:41 ◼   ► before the Tim Cook Off things deak on topic I do want to point out also that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:49 ◼   ► lot of people have said no he hasn't really said anything here he didn't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:53 ◼   ► anything to really learn anything and I think that's all crap I I think he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:57 ◼   ► quite a lot and he said it in the Apple way and in the Tim Cook way but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2457">TS</a>]

00:41:03 ◼   ► he said quite a lot of interesting things that's criminology I mean like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:08 ◼   ► you go back to I would watch the Steve Jobs when you're all just looking to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:10 ◼   ► like it never gonna say so so there's reporters who have no idea about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:14 ◼   ► know just generic reporters like they go through don't seem like you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:18 ◼   ► anything but for people who are following every single you know there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:23 ◼   ► a bar that comes out of Apple when you ask him you know what do you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:27 ◼   ► big screens and I guess you resume tomorrow and the first things I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:30 ◼   ► mounted as well we're not making one yet I mean like best the answer like that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:36 ◼   ► that is the biggest answer ever gonna get anything like even steve Jobs was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:40 ◼   ► never that open even in his wildest days we're not making one yet but I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:47 ◼   ► now for the future whatever he doesn't say that if they don't have the largest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2507">TS</a>]

00:41:51 ◼   ► falling like in the planning stages are ready and little little things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:56 ◼   ► they were dropped everywhere about you know timeline of television time lining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2516">TS</a>]

00:42:00 ◼   ► anything with wearable its kinda reminds me of Steve Jobs Wayne like i remember i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:07 ◼   ► was way before the iPhone like five years I'm sure that when they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:11 ◼   ► talking with people were asking about PDA that was the big thing to do is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:15 ◼   ► a PDA like they tried to buy Palmer and spring or something and been rebuffed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:20 ◼   ► are now set of results secret no remorse and stuff and people kept asking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:24 ◼   ► PDA is and a certain point you know give answer is no comments have a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:29 ◼   ► point steve Jobs said to some reporter really believe that phones over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:33 ◼   ► future of this is going to be making a phone like that and that's why four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:39 ◼   ► years my friends and I really like you know what is the iPhone coming everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:43 ◼   ► called the iPhone cases the iMac iPhone coming in then we start to lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:46 ◼   ► statesman-like never gonna make a phone it's been such a long time but like back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:51 ◼   ► then like when when you make a statement like that to reporter you might as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:56 ◼   ► just come out and say exactly what you're doing I guess reporters can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:58 ◼   ► report on it because it would be you know the heating season really say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:03 ◼   ► but for people are reading the tea leaves it's all out there on the opening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:07 ◼   ► that in his answers I would say specifically he seemed to confirm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:13 ◼   ► in his hand in the Apple way he seemed to confirm that they are working on some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:19 ◼   ► kind of watch like device that includes multiple types of sensors and search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:23 ◼   ► multiple functions don't you did you get the impression that wearable stuff I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:28 ◼   ► think there might be something new that's a really interesting area one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:33 ◼   ► thing and it has to have multiple sensors and he's he's he's looking at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:37 ◼   ► place that Nike FuelBand on his wrist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:39 ◼   ► he's like describing his product obliquely at that point I mean I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:43 ◼   ► that was a very a very clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:46 ◼   ► not not even a hint that was like beating you over the head we are doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:49 ◼   ► something like a watch that's going to have multiple sites like the entering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:54 ◼   ► new product categories like and possibly as it seems the people freak out about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2634">TS</a>]

00:44:00 ◼   ► it like we did with the phone thing at the phone didn't come out like five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:03 ◼   ► years or whatever it was it was some insane amount of seemed like forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:05 ◼   ► right it doesn't mean that the water is coming out next week like us the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:09 ◼   ► with the echo chamber of the news like you know what is coming is gonna come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:13 ◼   ► out any second now but I mines in these things are huge he just read the tea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:18 ◼   ► leaves to see all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:20 ◼   ► is this something that I was even looking at because if you would ask them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:23 ◼   ► about was thinking of making the car his answer would have been not been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:26 ◼   ► the car a space is really interesting I think are made by Apple could be really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:30 ◼   ► interesting and it would have to use multiple sensors know he would say no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:34 ◼   ► we're not just a different answer right now all it does is tell you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:39 ◼   ► something that you wear that you purchased from Apple that's not a clip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:43 ◼   ► on iPod Shuffle is potentially in the future of this company and tells you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:46 ◼   ► nothing about the timeline other than it's probably not a decade from now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:51 ◼   ► but even on the timeline I think he was pretty clear that we're going to see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:54 ◼   ► new category from Apple like this fall or early next year that could have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:59 ◼   ► the TV had he not put the kibosh on that in his answers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:02 ◼   ► conference right you know like going there any calls like new category in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:06 ◼   ► every category TV which is it for a long time as a new category something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:11 ◼   ► you wear which also been removed and then fast or to the conference get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:14 ◼   ► both questions is very different answers my car and I guess it's the thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:18 ◼   ► where was it him that said that nobody wears watches anymore but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:24 ◼   ► interesting he said the live streams kind of transcribed as quickly but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:28 ◼   ► he actually said was like for something to work here you first have to convince [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:35 ◼   ► people that so incredible that they want to wear it because we're done that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:41 ◼   ► two guys are wearing watches if we had a room full ten to twenty year olds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:50 ◼   ► Henry said everybody stand up that has the Watchung I'm not sure anybody with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:56 ◼   ► standoff I don't see it ten to twenty year old I mean yeah ok so the guy deals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2756">TS</a>]

00:46:01 ◼   ► with data that sounded a lot like they did a survey that sounded like that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:06 ◼   ► a date that was data that they had looked up already like he wasn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:10 ◼   ► like that's the kind of thing that steve was just kind of wing from as you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:13 ◼   ► from his gut I think him he was talking as though they were already looking into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:19 ◼   ► this and he liked the comment about multiple sensors and glasses sucking I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:23 ◼   ► really think he was pretty clearly telling us there's going to be something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:29 ◼   ► here under siege did do lots of market research jobs like the downplayed it he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:34 ◼   ► was saying they didn't focus your design which is true but underneath example I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:38 ◼   ► can think of that is speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:39 ◼   ► watches anymore is when people were asking about is a producer is a free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:44 ◼   ► iPad is obligated to some sort of reading device or whatever and he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:47 ◼   ► nobody reads anymore and then he threw out like a couple of statistics in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:53 ◼   ► only way he would know the statistics up top of his head is from Apple's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2813">TS</a>]

00:46:57 ◼   ► market research they had done in the planning stages for making the iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2817">TS</a>]

00:47:00 ◼   ► Touch iPad which is so clearly in development then it's like by quoting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/2820">TS</a>]

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01:10:53 ◼   ► interested in what's going on there and I'm less interested in what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4253">TS</a>]

01:10:55 ◼   ► and I was and I'm sure I will be by far the more dominant focus on the news and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4255">TS</a>]

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01:11:03 ◼   ► question is what the hell is yeah that's like I'm really curious to see like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4263">TS</a>]

01:11:07 ◼   ► in the name of course which is very interesting but but what if they like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4267">TS</a>]

01:11:12 ◼   ► what will 10.9 be 4444 marketing first of all a global market about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4272">TS</a>]

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01:11:20 ◼   ► developers will there be substantial improvements to the core in any in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:25 ◼   ► significant way like you know what what is there to do and it's only been a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4285">TS</a>]

01:11:28 ◼   ► since mountain lion so you know now they're on the shorter cycle so is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4288">TS</a>]

01:11:32 ◼   ► gonna be like it's not going to be a massive rewrite of anything well this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4292">TS</a>]

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01:11:40 ◼   ► attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4300">TS</a>]

01:11:42 ◼   ► wants to focus on what they can't do everything what things that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4302">TS</a>]

01:11:46 ◼   ► prioritize you know like is that will sort of give you an idea of what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4306">TS</a>]

01:11:50 ◼   ► feel is important to do they just do things that they would have had to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:53 ◼   ► anyway because they're changes to the car as the benefit most most of us is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4313">TS</a>]

01:11:56 ◼   ► like you know with my mouth line they almost entirely focused on things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4316">TS</a>]

01:12:03 ◼   ► bring together the mental space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4323">TS</a>]

01:12:06 ◼   ► of the Mac and iOS in terms of making the application look a certain way about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4326">TS</a>]

01:12:10 ◼   ► iCloud integration like trying to make it so hey you've use your iPhone or iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4330">TS</a>]

01:12:15 ◼   ► this Mac is not all that different take a look look at the Contacts app see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:20 ◼   ► it's kind of the same stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4340">TS</a>]

01:12:21 ◼   ► autosave hate onto savings on iOS and to varying degrees of success but that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:26 ◼   ► where they are putting their energy and they weren't for example putting it into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:28 ◼   ► a new file system or make him the USPS to improving the virtual memory system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4348">TS</a>]

01:12:35 ◼   ► changing out the kernel to like all sorts of nitty-gritty things that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4355">TS</a>]

01:12:39 ◼   ► totally interesting to someone like me but that's not getting any bank for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4359">TS</a>]

01:12:43 ◼   ► bucket at like don't spend all your time working on that instead spending time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4363">TS</a>]

01:12:47 ◼   ► with his other areas so they did that with Lyon and they start of repented a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:52 ◼   ► little bit mountain lion to say where they had overreached and sort of shore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:56 ◼   ► things up then put a third panel into the stupid book metaphor app like well a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4376">TS</a>]

01:12:59 ◼   ► book and have three parts rain but then one of them has to be half no one has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4379">TS</a>]

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01:13:10 ◼   ► where do they constitute a new area this time and like fusion drive would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4390">TS</a>]

01:13:14 ◼   ► been an obvious thing that they are to be released at like fusion drive misty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4394">TS</a>]

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01:13:24 ◼   ► doing I was really just appear suddenly with some new iMacs and stuff that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4404">TS</a>]

01:13:27 ◼   ► also a good way to sell hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4407">TS</a>]

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01:13:39 ◼   ► really knows that there's no reason just utility and no one's doing it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4419">TS</a>]

01:13:43 ◼   ► except like super nerds like it for the most part like if you want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4423">TS</a>]

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01:14:02 ◼   ► sensitive to the specific mechanism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4442">TS</a>]

01:14:04 ◼   ► you know drivers and everything involved there to the point where I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4444">TS</a>]

01:14:07 ◼   ► believe that basically it's not that it won't work it's just that they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4447">TS</a>]

01:14:11 ◼   ► keep it in any configuration like the only had time and you know they like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4451">TS</a>]

01:14:15 ◼   ► aided in a specific configurations and it probably will work perfectly fine and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4455">TS</a>]

01:14:18 ◼   ► tons of other configurations like one of your SSD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4458">TS</a>]

01:14:21 ◼   ► does it doesn't support TRIM command has some other feature or end up trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4461">TS</a>]

01:14:26 ◼   ► some pathological cases they never tested for whatever so I don't I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4466">TS</a>]

01:14:30 ◼   ► blame them for being super conservative with the supported hardware there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4470">TS</a>]

01:14:33 ◼   ► like they didn't hold it for the next release because they have the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4473">TS</a>]

01:14:36 ◼   ► they want to ship they just didn't make that didn't make the OS that they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4476">TS</a>]

01:14:40 ◼   ► to make in the WBC session they hinted that there was a thing that they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4480">TS</a>]

01:14:44 ◼   ► like to talk about but can't and I was fusion drive right like it just missed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4484">TS</a>]

01:14:48 ◼   ► the release like I didn't it didn't get on the boat for that one and so they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4488">TS</a>]

01:14:51 ◼   ► out a release but fusion drive would be an awesome 10.9 features they had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4491">TS</a>]

01:14:55 ◼   ► outside NBC was like wow this is great features fusion drive but now that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4495">TS</a>]

01:15:01 ◼   ► kind of spoiled but it already being out there I mean I'm sure the sessions on in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4501">TS</a>]

01:15:05 ◼   ► the support for all be expanded and blah blah blah but I can take some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4505">TS</a>]

01:15:09 ◼   ► wind out of its Alan and I turn to you file system thing like probably not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4509">TS</a>]

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01:15:19 ◼   ► amount of Max that are not have platter drives right cause which mention the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:24 ◼   ► drive which is half platter well maybe more than half platter and also an SSD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:28 ◼   ► but the most of the lower end max MacBooks and MacBook Pros the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4528">TS</a>]

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01:15:51 ◼   ► assume it can and if it switches to all flash hard drives would that lead to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4551">TS</a>]

01:15:56 ◼   ► ease your choices and either creating or picking a new file system whereas right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4556">TS</a>]

01:16:01 ◼   ► now that kinda got a leg in two very different worlds where you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4561">TS</a>]

01:16:05 ◼   ► support both the comparatively old them slow platters as well as this brand new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4565">TS</a>]

01:16:11 ◼   ► well reasonably knew I should say flash system so if if if everything was flash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4571">TS</a>]

01:16:18 ◼   ► and that's all we need to worry about would that be easier and a corollary to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4578">TS</a>]

01:16:23 ◼   ► that would be would would I West jump to a different file system before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:29 ◼   ► windows because everything I was / is not gonna jumped off / like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4589">TS</a>]

01:16:36 ◼   ► stuck with spending drives for the foreseeable future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4596">TS</a>]

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01:16:45 ◼   ► Mac Pro like machines or something whatever you know what I'm talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4605">TS</a>]

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01:16:56 ◼   ► deep as this story is too small you won't be able to get it without an SSD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4616">TS</a>]

01:17:00 ◼   ► like you're getting fusion drive period because that is there that is their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4620">TS</a>]

01:17:03 ◼   ► medium-term solution for make it faster but also that people start their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4623">TS</a>]

01:17:08 ◼   ► gigantic libraries of stuff and that's why they made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4628">TS</a>]

01:17:11 ◼   ► adding the new no flash vs spinning disk what that that split is going to force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4631">TS</a>]

01:17:18 ◼   ► them to do if they ever get off their butts is used some foreign aid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:22 ◼   ► storage on the flash like there are lots of other systems out there to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4642">TS</a>]

01:17:25 ◼   ► type of thing you don't you don't fall sensor designed for spinning things with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4645">TS</a>]

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01:17:33 ◼   ► random and seeks really kill you and like the whole file system is laid out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4653">TS</a>]

01:17:36 ◼   ► in such a way to minimize those things are hopefully laid out in a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4656">TS</a>]

01:17:38 ◼   ► minimize and all those things are either the opposite or just completely moved on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4658">TS</a>]

01:17:43 ◼   ► SSDs because their performance characteristics are different like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4663">TS</a>]

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01:17:49 ◼   ► a bunch of chips that you're dressing but they have their own particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4669">TS</a>]

01:17:52 ◼   ► quirks or whatever so a filesystem layer on top of that is almost like me there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4672">TS</a>]

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01:18:12 ◼   ► complication for them but if they want to extract the maximum performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4692">TS</a>]

01:18:16 ◼   ► lowest overhead from flash you don't need to go with the file system not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4696">TS</a>]

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01:18:28 ◼   ► same driver interface to the higher levels of the OSI looks like a look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4708">TS</a>]

01:18:32 ◼   ► it because all the FBI's expected like that but under the covers doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4712">TS</a>]

01:18:36 ◼   ► to be right so I think they probably won't even do that but you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4716">TS</a>]

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01:18:51 ◼   ► in my various articles complaining about this and if they come up with a new one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4731">TS</a>]

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01:19:06 ◼   ► used for storage to make fusion drive out of them and hopefully we'll be happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4746">TS</a>]

01:19:14 ◼   ► will find that not like you're not worried about staying to just use flash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4754">TS</a>]

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01:20:43 ◼   ► couldn't also build that into a lot of laptops except costs and if the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4843">TS</a>]

01:20:49 ◼   ► is you know the retinas are already high priced items are already off / the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoplTw/4849">TS</a>]

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