00:00:00 ◼ ► do you have opinions on kidman's as by chance after your last show where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/0">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► three of us were talking about apples tick tock strategy with iOS somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► tweeted out US publisher bandurski which are probably pronounced wrong I'm Sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/11">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► Sorry public and he wrote a blog post that was actually fairly short so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/15">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► hopefully we'll remember to put this in the show notes and you can take a look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/19">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► but he made an interesting point the premise of it was you know what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/22">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► interesting is that the economic actually read this year the tick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/26">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► versions of iOS came with the US versions of the devices iOS three with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/30">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► iPhone gt3 GIS analyst 5 with the iPhone for us on the other hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/34">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► hardware releases such as such as the iPhone 4 and iPhone 5 launched alongside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/38">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► talk releases of iOS iPhone 4 with iOS 4 and iPhone 5 with I was six so now not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/43">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► reading anymore the general premise he drives a tease hey even though even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/51">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► you consider the software on a tick tock and if you consider the hardware in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/56">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► tick tock what's interesting is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/61">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► offset its like a hundred eighty-degree offset sine wave so there there's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/63">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► going to be taking always going to be a top and that's kind of an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/68">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► place to be and I thought that was an interesting point so I wanted to point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/71">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► that out what we having trouble a show thinking about which iOS release was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/75">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► like big or small electronic list off the major features like I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/80">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► I buy that theory because it just doesn't seem to me that there has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/84">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► that kind of kid stylist but it could be that I'm just not paying enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/90">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► attention but like the fact that we were trying to think about was that a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/94">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► release what was in that one either we just told him that bad memories remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/97">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► was in them but they have all seem pretty even to me at this place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/101">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► certainly none of them we're we're like a snow leopard to know you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/104">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► kind of feel like I i think im going on I can't really point to any I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/108">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► released and say oh that one was the 16 most of the problems and added a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/111">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► API's but didn't change much the user may be six but I wouldn't say it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/115">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► enough to really establish a pattern I mean at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/120">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► stan has had now to takes into talks at the white leopard Snow Leopard why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/123">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► mountain lion and that that those four releases I think a very clearly followed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/128">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► but even before that they didn't really good expert today that's why I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/132">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► we're still in that early period of Iowa swear it's like really simple not all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/138">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► the features a bunch of stuff doesn't work and then the ones that you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/145">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► get out to sort of shore up the API for public use and then some major features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/148">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► like a pretty much follows closely along with you know the temple now 10.1 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/153">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► like you know it was STK was just he was to point out yeah yeah and you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/160">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► then three four and five roughly matching with you know Panther tiger and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/165">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► leopard and six should have been at Snow Leopard but it wasn't because six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/170">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► brought you know even more features and more new stuff it was definitely not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/176">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► snow leopard cub release so I still think we're in the early part of Iowa's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/179">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► release like maybe this maybe seven will be the first like maybe something will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/186">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► be the right after seven maybe eight will be something that's more tame or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/191">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► whatever but it seems like all the rumors of seven that it's not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/196">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► be a team release even if it's just visual stuff in the global stand out in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/199">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► our mind as a lot when they rejected you I rearrange the absence and presence but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/203">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► we'll see but I would still say there's definitely no no snow leopard Snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/210">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► Leopard and I was yet know the other interesting thing that somebody on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/214">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► Twitter pointed out I don't have this at reply handy so I apologize to whoever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/218">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► you are but they pointed out that none of us thought about searing when we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/222">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► trying to think of a kind of marquee features I'm different iOS versions in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/225">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► in the three of us don't even think about Syria and I don't know what that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/229">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► says but it's an interesting observation that obviously didn't cross my mind when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/232">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► we were talking about serious because it was tied to the 40 S as a device mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/237">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► for marketing type reasons you know because it was tied this device and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/247">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► was the release like it was more like a feature of that phone and all devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/251">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► from that point forward it was less of like a ok starting with iOS 5 everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/256">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► gets this school thing that's something we haven't done in the max not like it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/260">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► lot time machine and say and if you want to use Time Machine you got a Mac the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/264">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► about this year and would not fly as much and they they pulled it off with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/267">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► the forests as a differentiator but it's it's why we don't associated with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/271">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► was the OS that seriously that was the phone that Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/277">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► whatever you think so right so one of the things I want to talk about today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/284">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► was Marco you finished Reviver well maybe not finished but at least got to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/291">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► stopping point for now on your PHP framework and I didn't know if you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/296">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► anything to share about that and if not I'm asking other probing question but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/299">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► how did that go I can't wait for the probing but title now we have we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/304">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► kind of a kind of real show but in the chat now so if the peacekeeping so I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/311">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► had this PHP framework that I've built let me know long time ago we built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/317">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► tumbler with it and before time there we built David night David Carpenter I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/323">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► built some client applications back near consultants before David decided to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/327">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► start tumblr so we had this PHP free markets it's a basic MVC framework and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/332">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► the reasons we rode our own back then were that we had tried rails and we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/339">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► tried cake for PHP and back then this isn't like 2006 we didn't I didn't and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/343">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► convince David I didn't like all the behind the scenes magic that frameworks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/352">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► did unexpectedly like some magic is good and some magic is helpful I got like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/357">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► my fear was more than I wanted the framework to be more like libraries and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/364">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► less like at the time what was trendy for quote frameworks which is they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/369">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► do so much for you and you end so it was it was hard to tell like if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/374">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► seeing like a certain header being said are certain behavior certain filtering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/379">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► or certain bugs it was hard to find where the heck that was coming from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/383">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► code and this is especially problem in Rails because of Ibiza mix ins and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/387">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► that becoming especially trendy in 2006 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/393">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► so everyone was kind of overusing them and so was very very much like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/396">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► categories and cocoa it was very very hard to find the code you were looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/400">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► to manage like what was going on because everything was there was so much magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/407">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► happening all the time with everything so my theory was I wanted something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/410">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► could provide helpful features like a library but where I knew everything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/416">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► was going to happen and what was not going to happen so it was very clear to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/421">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► ok me as the as the person writing this action of this model what is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/426">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► responsibility what will happen and what won't and so we're on our own very basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/430">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► framework with some lessons from rails some lessons from ourselves some lessons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/435">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► from cake and and we basically mature that into tumblr as time went on and on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/440">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► and it is BSD licensed but it's not just about anywhere so our clients from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/447">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► before tumblr they all have a copy a few programs here and there have a copy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/453">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► have a copy in stripper who is running on a copy and magazines gonna cut it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/458">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► does not really open source framework but it would be open source if it ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/462">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► actually got out no legally so what I did when I left tumblr I forked it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/466">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► so tumblr continue doing their own thing with it and Tumblr did tons of changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/473">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► to it because they had to cuz they grew like crazy and they had a bill in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/478">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► automatic starting support stuff like that all sort stuff I've never seen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/483">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► Instapaper I don't have to do anything to it so mostly just SAT there and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/487">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► exchanged a few things here and there but I didn't really pointing out so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/493">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► still had a whole bunch of stuff from like halfway through tumblr scaling that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/497">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► I had put in there and it was also based on PHP 5.1 and 5.2 even the most in 5.3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/500">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► the late static binding support in 5.3 that was added which makes data classes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/508">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► work and useful way for the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/514">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► yeah like I don't know why didn't have that in the beginning anyway that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/516">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► that's a little too specialized for the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/520">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► I was able to modernize the framework if I wanted to but in strippers code base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/523">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► that point was big enough that it was kind of unwieldy to do that and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/529">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► really ever worth my time to do that having just the paper though I am honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/533">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► I wanted to start being more web stuff in the future and I wanted to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/538">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► really solid foundation for doing that and I thought about using other language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/544">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► but as we've discussed in the show before much too many people's irritation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/548">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► I don't think Ruby or Python really provide enough of the benefit of a PHP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/552">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► if you add that if you're already an expert in PHP that you really need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/560">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► become an expert on one of those I think you can pick any of any of those three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/562">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► become an expert in one of them and you're pretty well said you don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/565">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► need the other ones that you know if you really want to learn a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/569">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► languages for other reasons like personal development or market value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/572">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► whatever else but if you're if you're short on time and if you don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/576">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► wanna be learning tons languages and he would rather take one master that one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/579">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► don't think you to master more than one of those three and I think the at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/583">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► alternatives things like node I would be looking at those in probably the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/587">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► but I think they're a little bit early right now so I'd rather not go that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/592">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► right now so I figure you know what PHP is great for me I know a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/595">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► hate it but PHP is very good for me I know it extremely well and I know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/599">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► scale it I know how to run it very cheaply in very easily with very little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/605">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► effort and very few 3 a.m. wake ups for the census for the system in which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/609">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► usually me and and so I decided you know there's nothing really inherently wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/613">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► with PHP that overcomes the barrier for me to to master something else to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/619">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► degree when I don't really want to be riding big web services as the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/625">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► thing I do you know if that was the only thing I was going to do that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/631">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► fine I would be very very happy with it but I would learn lots of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/635">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► languages and pick the best one and really dive deeply into that one but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/639">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► me the web service and action is a great blog post by Brent Simmons that while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/644">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► I'm rambling on you guys should read this and I'll talk about it a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/648">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► for me making web services is really a supporting role to what I really want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/655">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► do which is kinda making whole products they're mostly acts like Instapaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/659">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► pretty much was that the newspaper web service was was very low needs and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/666">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► devoted very little to it for good and bad because I really want to do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/671">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► working on the app and the Apple is that like the premier experience well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/676">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► whatever else I do in the future is probably gonna be that same way you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/680">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► I have mentioned in the past few prototypes of things that I'm trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/683">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► figure out what I wanna do next with and they all have web components and but all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/687">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► the components are are relatively unimportant compared to the at and so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/692">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► dont for me it's not worth like learning entire new Web languages and mastering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/698">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► those platforms and and learning the hard way how to scale the mall and spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/702">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► all that time and stress on that when I'd rather be putting effort into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/707">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► apps and just the website you know I don't need the website to be to be my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/711">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► experimental playground so so I decided this was a great time to modernize my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/716">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► frameworks like I had only the magazine using it and nags and code base is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/726">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► very small so I thought this is a great time to modernize it when I really need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/730">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► those a test and that way I can kind of read the test app as I modernize it so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/735">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► know what I'm breaking I know how I'm breaking it and what it needs to be and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/739">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► I can kind of play with the API's as I'm making them and as I'm changing them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/743">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► stealing ok what works what doesn't what ends up being more or less elegant than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/748">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► etcetera so my goal here is also open source framework now it's to finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/753">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► make it so incredibly different from what tumblr is running that I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/760">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► legally I could have done it already but like you know I was always a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/766">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► afraid to release the framer that runs tumblr what if somebody find some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/771">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► security problem and exploited against tumblr I would really not feel good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/775">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► about that I was always very afraid about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/779">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► that I'm less afraid but it's my own thing i atleast know that ok I'm willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/782">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► to do that to myself I'm not unless less happy by doing that to somebody else mrs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/788">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► somebody's biggest tumblr so I thought I would love to open source this and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/792">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► would love to modernize it and I would love to also write the sponsor tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/799">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► system that I've been means do for market or four months as the way as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/803">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► track my sponsors from archive.org is this giant spreadsheet that sucks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/808">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► it's so it's so human based and error-prone and it's always it always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/813">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► freaks me out what if I booked the wrong spot you know what I publish something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/819">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► from the wrong day long week what if I i think is sponsored hasn't paid but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/822">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► like you know what if I type and number wrong if I instant typo and something is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/829">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► really messed up so that I needed something better than a spreadsheet to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/833">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► manage that I also want to start addition to having sponsorships for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/838">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► show that had to manage ok we have we sell sponsorships for this at another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/844">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► property suspension for so initially started out in the table in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/848">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► spreadsheet that was very similar to the first table but then it to build on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/852">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► things like you know we all we all split the money that comes in so I had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/856">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► build in how to pick how do you know I take the money and I have to pay you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/861">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► guys out your inner portions of it so I have to you know that that's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/864">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► layer on top of this that is error-prone and could be messed up and starts really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/868">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► pushing the boundaries of what spreadsheets can do gracefully i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/874">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► they can do it in many non graceful ways but what they can do gracefully his you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/877">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► know this is kind of a bad thing for them and then what really killed it is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/882">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► wanted all three of us to be able to log in and look at sponsors and sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/888">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► sponsorships and so we needed multi-user access you can go Google Docs but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/894">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► it's just there's the more layers you add to the spreadsheet that the crappier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/899">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► that solution becomes and the more likely it is like exponentially more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/903">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► likely it is that something will go wrong at some point and that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/906">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► let's build this let's build a system and that's a perfect test case app for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/914">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► my new framework of a new version of this framework which is almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/920">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► completely rewritten turns out and its way smaller framework and my goal is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/925">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► open source both the framework and this example project of my invoicing system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/931">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► fairly soon so you guys have anything to say after that massive delay 23 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/936">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► in the idea but I'll give John a chance because I have a comparatively much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/945">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► I'm looking at your notes I know what you're gonna ask him and it's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/952">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► the same thing that i'm gonna go ahead and go for you the notes that apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/955">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► Casey and I use but Marco shot I got it was it was a micro get oh yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/961">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► where mine is so since I'm talking I will go ahead and ask by telling a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/967">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► Marco sends John an email saying hey this is up here's where you can go and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/972">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► load the URL and all I see is a text form and a button and the tax form says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/979">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► give me your email address and then login and I think to myself this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/985">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► weird I haven't created a user account or knowingly anyway I haven't given him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/991">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► a password of any sort of what's going on so I enter my email address I hit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/997">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► button and next thing I know his fancy Marquez fancy sponsorship checker says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► okay look at your email you'll get a login URL there in so sure enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► instantly I look at my email and there's a email from Marcos fancy app thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► it says here click this link and you can get logged in and that's exactly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► happened and so it was a very different and interesting way to handle user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► authentication and authorization always get the A's wrong but handle locking in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► without me ever giving him a password so in summary my question to you Marco and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► John feel free to jump in and why do you keep passwords so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► does the same thing on the magazine site which I'm assuming you did this i I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► the you know when I saw it I immediately knew the years of the same time as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► most insanely good to ya and I don't like either I complained to my wife that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► he still in this thing without password again another one of my first the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► things first interaction I had with you and your products online was when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► first signed up for Instapaper and back then you didn't need a password for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► Instapaper which was awesome and I love it not like not like this you just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► literally didn't need a password so for the first whatever was year or two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► or however long you let us not have passwords anybody could have seen my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► Instapaper leagues I don't care wasn't anything secret there I just love not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► having the password remember I just had to remember my username and there was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► answer I didn't care that was totally insecure fine go ahead I guess I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► have used that to start adding stuff to make the paper and then you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► option to edit passwords of someone found it started using it and erased all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► my side like art final a passport so I'm all thumbs up for not having a pass Berg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► but thumbs down for every time I log in sending me an email with the link is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► first of all I can you first of the magazine there was like male backlog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► nothing is more frustrating that wanting to get into something and not being able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► to because your mail hasn't arrived yet it was a long time since this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► your fault it's not on the receiving end you know it's email store-and-forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► like it could be not in your control that I'm sitting there could be great I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► refresh button trying to rate from I think the camp and the second thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► this is really mostly I was his fault of the city the environment you're in I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► the Gmail app on iOS and when the email comes to delink on it I can't tap that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► link because then that will open in the Gmail outs built-in browser and I'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► logged in there in some sort of you know right hand side navigation pane to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► Gmail app but I'm not logged in Mobile Safari and that link is now dead because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► I think you kill them off after they could use our pass right and so now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► make an email me another link remembered whole tap and hold on let me copy copy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► the URL they gonna Mobile Safari then paste under thing and then use it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► over there so I'm I do not find the user experience of this password list thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► it's funny because I don't have any problem with the password lists idea in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► principle but I T was likely to have to wait for darn email to come in and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► retrospect thinking about it more actually think by and large this isn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► bad set up and it strikes me as a and I'm not a security minded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► oil bearing nut job but it strikes me as though it's a pretty good setup the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► is it the same as using a password because if you have access to my email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► account passwords don't matter and if you have access to my email to counter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► this thing customers don't matter is that a security thing with any lesser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► well it isn't one way and that is that you can't get somebody's password cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► they don't have one the only way to login is by having access to their email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► you the password for their email address and he was moving you know moving to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► know from your site to their you know that's a little bit better this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► especially so many emails have to factor now exactly took the words right out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► my mouth should have superior support Google login and I can use my existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► yea well obviously you're probably thinking about it like this everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► always wants to solve the problem of identity on the web because it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► pain in the butt no matter what you do and there's just no good solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► everything has tradeoffs in detroit also this one or just a different set of her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► office and it but I find it particularly special for the magazine like I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► subscribe to the magazine I get in the iOS App occasionally run over wanna read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► it on the web thing and inevitably I somehow find that I'm using a browser on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► a machine that doesn't have the right cokie and I gotta go through the email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► thing just that that tiny delay makes me unhappy I rather liked you know auto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► fill my password is remember one password or use your some other means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► that I can get myself logged in to read the magazine actually telling the sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► up for the magazine subscriber you should do like no I do just show me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► causing my cookies and web development of some browsers and I'm constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► wiping cookies and doing private browsing and good I don't know maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► just have to spread maybe it's like to factor where I had to have some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► ramp-up period where I spread the little the authentication tokens to all of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► browsers and all my jars as we call them back in the day but it hasn't happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► yet again Casey I mean to be honest I don't have a whole lot air I don't mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► it nearly as much as John does but I'm not nearly as much corruption apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► I think it's it's interesting because we all hate passwords we all want them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► go away but no obviously nobody's really crack that nut on what the right answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► is an end for me since this is a site that I'm not gonna look at every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► day I don't find it as as egregious pain in the butt but with that said it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► something that I used frequently I think I would trying to just as annoying as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► john doe's so yeah I think it's a very hard problem in the magazine I i never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► to this and Instapaper the magazine was the first thing I did was publicly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► any i mean and the way it works in case in case someone is still behind us it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► basically treats every log in like a password reset where you say you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► login type in your email address and email you a link with a with a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► use hash on it and that then the apt read that has for a long until you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► logged in and you know it's like a password reset where you don't even set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► the new password is logged in and it's it's interesting it solves a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► similar to insta papers original no password [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► accounts at all it solves some problems but it creates other problems and so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► not sure if it's a net win in general I think you can look at you know where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► use of here which is kinda like an admin panel I think admin panels and kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► internet type thing where security is needed anything like that we're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► it's not the general public having to log in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► and you don't have a ton of people using the Gmail app on their phone I know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► to copy links and stuff like that like situations like that I think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► great solution I think that's why I will probably do this for every admin panel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► that I ever do again because it's it's so much more secure than just having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► some kind of admin password up there and it's it's great for that and I was what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► makes you think is more securities I can see I think it's better from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► perspective as a person running the service because you don't have to store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► passwords and if you don't have to start passwords that means the pressure is off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► you to keep security and you know all that dozens of whatever but I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► if that's better for the people who are using the product because as far as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► they're concerned it's your responsibility to make sure the password [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► version of the best result can now make sure you you know you be gripped the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1476">TS</a>]
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00:25:26 ◼ ► to do any kind of set your own password for this even if I would add two factors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1526">TS</a>]
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00:25:46 ◼ ► like having to wait for an email and click link you're gonna hate to factor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1546">TS</a>]
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00:25:55 ◼ ► delegated authentication to someone else and do what the sites do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1555">TS</a>]
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00:26:18 ◼ ► OpenID login with Google you know like you can you can limit your options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1578">TS</a>]
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00:26:30 ◼ ► those things and OpenID which is itself a massive trade record of normal person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1590">TS</a>]
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00:27:06 ◼ ► say log in with OpenID or with Facebook or Twitter the main problem is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1626">TS</a>]
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00:27:44 ◼ ► it's it's a problem that create support emails like crazy you would not believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► how much support that generation you have that kind of option but again for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1667">TS</a>]
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00:28:12 ◼ ► might be one or you might have to rely into your Google account might have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► too long since you've last time out like if you're making your cookies last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► four-year whatever that means anyone who you know find someone doesn't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► but if I log in I have to remember that if I log in a strange machine I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► make sure that I get rid of that so that that person can perpetually log in as me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1711">TS</a>]
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00:28:39 ◼ ► an external service all the management of revoking access and timing out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► whatever is on the external surface right yeah but but also like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► the extra level of complexity of dealing with someone else a service for this it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► adds almost as many annoyances and flaws and support headaches as doing it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1734">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► way I'm doing it with emails that that's what is it what is it been like for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► magazine was like this is a bad example history and whatever but it's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► magazine's many many more people i said im going to be compared to what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► haven't implemented like you know login with your Google account as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► what has that been like you mentioned you mentioned the copy and pasting from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► the Gmail app order is that just because I mentioned to do actually that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► actually I should probably use Gmail some point in my life but now with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► magazine it's it's been interesting this right I'm not sure I would use it again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► for like a big consumer facing thing at least not yet because the main problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► is that when you have a username and password you can enter those no matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► where you are no matter what Apple context you're in you can enter those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► immediately as you say you do not have an account alleged be logged in as long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1795">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► as you know the password and yet as people like us use one password and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► generate long-term garbage so for us a little more complicated but most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► don't do that unfortunately so the big problem is first of all your time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► something to email delivery which is similar to tyson to someone else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► account their opportunities to go wrong or to be delayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► aid and email delivery can be somewhat assumed to occur you can generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► assume that an email will usually get there there of course complications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► there but usually Cancino get there but you can't guarantee is it an email to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► get there quickly because there's things like greatest thing and all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► weird antispam measures and server configurations and everything that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► frequently delayed message by like a half hour or three hours from the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► time hearing from you or something so that becomes harder when you say alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► login click here to get an email in two seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1853">TS</a>]
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00:30:59 ◼ ► come to do seconds for most people and there's like the one percent that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► doesn't come in two seconds for and they get upset and and the email your support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► and there's really no way for you to do anything about that quickly and I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► entering their email address and click on the button again and again queuing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► seventeen and evaluating their previous 10 minutes right click the third one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► that came not realizing that it was invalidated when you sent the eighth one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► exactly so so it you know it's not perfect in that regard and also you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► what I this is actually one of the last building codes I talked about when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► made the magazine how in an effort of her with the goal of simplicity I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► it to have no settings in the app is no setting screen like to have everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► just be available in the interface with no gear icon with the settings screen on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► it you know I didn't want to some big long list of checkboxes are ever going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► to be very very simple and the problem was that to avoid having a setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► screen I had to make other dad design decisions like how to logout from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► Instapaper if he would logged into sensitive to it that they were there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► were other decisions ahead to make that were bad decisions in order to support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► this one thing I thought was a good decision and so that the login later the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► password to login system that uses email is it has a few of those things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► there's a there's a few weird little stupid things that I had to do to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► that work that are bad design decisions even though the email thing i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► overall a good one standing on its own so one of those things is when you when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► you want to connect when you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► think your account between the app and the website on your iOS device or when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► you want to sync your website where you want to be like if you subscribed in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► app and you want to browse it on the website on the desktop or if you decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► that you want to read it in the ass communicating between the browsers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► in the website and Apple purchased thing in these three different places when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► have a password will be easy it would just be entered this user name and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► password in the other place and you're logged in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► done the way I do it though since there's no password is like for the apt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► to register its subscription with the website I have the app compose an email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► message with an attachment that encodes budget data and then it send it to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► server the server associate that with the email is sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► which had a problem with the email that you sent that from is not your primary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► email address other problems with that I think I did that a few times I'm very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► confused on launch because I don't use the email address I use for things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► different than the email address I use as my like i club you know exactly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► thats I wouldn't say that's a common case but there's certainly enough people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► who do that that it's problematic if you if you don't support that they expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► and so there's there's that issue that you know going that way in the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► log-in the website on your device to open this link that I'll mail to you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2038">TS</a>]
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00:34:09 ◼ ► open up in the iOS app to associate in the other direction and that's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► ugly and can have some of its own problems as well so you know i i had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► this this technical need to associate these are catching these two places and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► password really would have a lot easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► always comes out with the web service API is for iCloud authentication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► response but yeah and so i think overall I I think the patent system it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► interesting and that's why that's why I did it interesting I i do think I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► going to keep it for admin panel type stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► I don't know if anything else with that as the main thing is you know because in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► fact if people were if this was like 2005 still and most people are still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► doing everything on their computers and you were looking into a website that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2095">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► would actually make way more sense and it will be fine I would probably do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► no question now with everyone doing things on all these different types of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► devices with all these different like sandbox siloed apps and everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► everything is running full screen was no good multi tasking and iOS or no clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► indication that all these problems that actually now the system is less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► practical than it would have been in 2005 and I i dont think going to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► again for the main login for something and also another problem is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► hasn't worked with people expect and because people are used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► username and password or email and password for you so that when you've put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► something up there they don't expect even if it's simple to you and your mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► even if it's simpler they're thrown off for a second leading minute how do I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► this where we put the password I get it slows people down and people make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► mistakes and the question themselves in the doubt themselves and that ultimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2155">TS</a>]
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00:48:13 ◼ ► connotations it does it doesn't lessen that like you wouldn't think that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► you're if you'd fancy yourself as the audio equivalent of the new york times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► you don't want someone calling you a podcast that's my impression but see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► Casey I just I feel like somebody linked on Twitter today to some blog post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► actually where somebody said that nerds ruin everything and I didn't even read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2914">TS</a>]
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00:48:42 ◼ ► first couple census which was basically like people who are really passionate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► about things and up over analyzing and ruining them entirely and I kinda feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► like that's what the word exactly when it comes to our podcast I just I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► see why it's that offensive and i guess im not saying I'm right I'm not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2936">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► you're wrong I just don't see what's so bothersome it's just a word to describe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► something and candidly I have never really associated that term specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► with iPods maybe that makes me hotter different or weird but i dont Associated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► specifically with iPods just like one of you guys said I just associated with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► internet-based radio broadcast what happens to any word used anywhere and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► just becomes becomes the thing it is right but these people have objections [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► their objections we're in the early stages are not there now i make us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► still still going with NetCast now because that's just what they do with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► becomes it's almost like you know the Netcare slogan from leo has almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► become like a signature brand of his networks as far as I know he's the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► yeah I think anybody else said we're doing an outcast they would think like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► defense think he was ripping off Lee genesis of that was in the beginning to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► like I don't want to be thought of as justice thing that people put on iPods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► because the things that they claim that term know what I'm doing I am I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/2995">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► be a broadcaster and I want to have it and then a certain point just continues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► but if you if you tell apart from the the world before podcast to now and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► want to start when I think he'll be less reticent to call what he does a podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► I don't know maybe I'm kind of case honestly I think the word is a stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► sounding word no question but I cast have two main problems and the 101 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► problem as dan said in his interview on something else I can do it I forgot the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► name of a dance that earlier this week how you know that one of the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► problem with podcasts is the the barriers involved in getting to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► like if you want to if someone has never listened to a podcast before and wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► to and hears about them want to get into them then they have to like first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► someone to tell them that there was no one knows about them in the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3056">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► world nobody knows what the crap podcast is and for the most part it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► pretty much out of the mainstream vocabulary and we have to find an apt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► yet you have to have a smartphone for the most part or listen on your computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► which sucks if you have a smartphone have to find an app to download or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► to play podcast have to find the podcast within that app and you have to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► time to play and have to like here it somehow you put that audio somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► maybe you're listening to headphones but if you drive your car they need to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► at a Bluetooth connection on oxygen cable or something like that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► technically accessing podcasts is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► is has a lot of barriers to entry right now that's one problem and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► everything everything is relative to the second problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► the reason podcasts are as popular as they are now is because the iPod lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► the barrier to entry below some critical threshold beyond which became possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► to be a thing that's true because before that it was like forget it and nobody is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► gonna pull this off and the iPod in general made it possible for people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► take audio from the internet and put in a context where they're actually want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► listen to it so that was like the first hurdle and dance dissatisfaction with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► the current ones like oh that's great and all it made podcast possible to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► thing that normal people can enjoy but there's this next barrier of like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► you're interested in a television show you could you're much more likely to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► have his coalition watching and tell your relative the name of that show with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► an expectation that they will successfully and maybe it maybe a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► network they will successfully be able to watch that show with no further help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► from you right whereas if you tell him the name of podcasting never listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► podcast they're not gonna make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► yeah yeah it's true I so would like something we are making progress there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► but they're still like the next leap the next leap we can see what it should not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► be it's it's great that it's possible for people to do it on XScale but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► want to go at 10 under times easier that's right still so to get there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► gets you know my second problem the second big problem podcasts is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► contest that their low quality but I think that's you know that's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► that bloggers had to wait out the internet had to wait out like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► that's something that every media has when its new that although the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► mainstream of the established and established media of the previous types [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► all assume or say or you know outright outright defamed the new thing as as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► being you know only for amateurs are inferior and mostly because a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► times the beginning they are a tell people how to do them well so I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► think the word podcast is fine if we if we could pick a new one that'd be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► but we can't it's too late and I think people like Leo hussein NetCast or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► who make their own alternatives I think they're doing a disservice to the pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► by fragmenting this term because they even like no dance intensive internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► broadcast or something like that or or even internet radio internet radio shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3236">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► and I think the problem is that she me radio exists and that's something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► you know like like streaming radio shock jock a stations and stuff like that or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► even radio like services like Pandora Spotify and Rdio I think those distort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► if you tell somebody oh I usually get into internet radio shows you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► might think of those things instead of podcast podcast has a very specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► meaning that is a very large category that is very distinct from those other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► things and can't really easily be confused with them in the vocabulary so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► I think I think we we have this word I think we're stuck with this word and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► think it's not that you know people would call them amateurish no matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► what you call them because their new still and and I think it's only a matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► of time just like what happened blogs it's only a matter of time before that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► just becomes a normal word for people and they know what youre talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► and it doesn't always have that negative connotation and it's happening more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3297">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► slowly with podcasts because the podcasting medium as a whole is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► growing explosively as blogs did but it is growing more slowly and it still is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► growing it still is seeping into the world and seeping into the mainstream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► it's just you know it's not it's not exploding in the course of two years but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► I think we just have to wait it out I think the Internet broadcasting thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► and those are the terms their stats still beats trying to corner on new word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► like an outcast do like like that even though it may be confusing trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► come up with the generic term for what you do that doesn't pigeonhole you under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► podcast still beats trying to come up with things like that cast or internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► last Thursday making up some other where'd you know that's why I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► branding for Twitter because it's like oh well this is a new word that's made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► up as for like the the popularity thing like the celebrities have arrived on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► podcast like celebrities have podcast now so that that phase of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► has begun at least you know what the professionals are here but the thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► in general they're not it's weird that they're not the radio professionals you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► know I mean it's not like howard stern abandoned his radio show to help I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► cast his own satellite radio right now so that might appear to be able see well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► I'm like the people who showed up at like stand-up comedians television stars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► people who are not trained as audio broadcasters but they're famous people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► they so then you have you can get a podcast where famous person interviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► another famous person with that name recognition stuff but the thing I worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► about pot guesses the way we all listen to them hinges on these few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► the mechanism by which they come to be like we get them under iPods or iPhones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► and that relies on software created by our phone maker and you know like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► much of the podcast right now is entirely dependent on the fact that I to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► that podcast on iTunes like say the next version iTunes come down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► podcast are no longer there . they're gone then there would be this mad dash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3416">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► to Google Reader thing to re-establish that infrastructure somewhere and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► just don't have already gone from from the app on iOS well you know me like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► can't you wouldn't be able to go into someplace like on your phone or on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► on your Mac or Windows PC are invariably any device you can go somewhere and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► search based on the name of podcast even find the right search box you can type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► in one of those facilities in a way like they were in the iTunes Store in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► was no iTunes directory for the media you had to find like a TPI them to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► this podcast and like get something that can read the field and had to use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► third-party feed reader and stuff like having that centralized clearinghouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► we rely on that so much because this infrastructure hasn't been built out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► like you said like all right fine what about when you gonna go in your car when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► I have another seven infrastructure barriers to overcome of how do I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► got on my ipod on my phone but now listen to in my car by Carter says the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► radio how to overcome that and it's it's a series of annoying barriers that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► preventing it when you really want to just be like someone mentions the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► of broadcast you know exactly when I type that name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► you type in and then anywhere you are you gonna potential listen to audio you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► thing and we are we are far from that yeah that's true I will give you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► but I think I think the key to all this is a smartphone I really do i mean i i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► devote a lot of the last episode talking about this topic in particularly I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► that I think the smartphone is the default device to listen to things on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► you know it used to be a part of your pocket they may be at work you do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► computer or you know at home may be used as some kind of steroid use disk or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► something crazy like that but you know i i think it's very clear now that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► smartphone is the new media player and not just for portable anymore and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► think it's going we're going to keep going in that direction where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► smartphone is going to continue to be the center of everything including by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► the way including the the way that your car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► not only integrated media but the layer car connects to the internet I really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► think that's gonna go through smartphone data plan that the phone is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► your your terminal and your modem and your media player to the world and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► everything will be just like Steve Jobs digital hub thing back you know fifteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► years ago whenever that was but now it's your phone and not your computer I tend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► to think your right hand something you said a little earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► implied a little earlier made me think and I'm gonna put your what you said and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/3565">TS</a>]
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01:11:32 ◼ ► so and he also points out which we should point out also this is all very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► very similar to a few systems already exist out there there seems like Heroku [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► hosting platform that is based on scalability automatically and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► that is also Windows Azure mobile services which we should disclose the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► sheet or sponsor of the show and brent has actually done promotional videos for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► them and they do almost exactly what he's asking for it without the iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► authentication and integration but I think what what do you think of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► of of this proposal do you think it's realistic that first of all I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► never will do it but you do you think this would be a good thing if they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► it I think Apple is two degrees removed from being able to pass anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► like if you think of the companies that do do it like Google and Amazon the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► first stage of getting to the point where you were even able to do this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► the company recognizes that one of the things they need to be really good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► his company is doing you know services in-house and that they can't do each one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► as it kind of custom one off special snowflake what they need our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► infrastructure tools to do that so the reason the Amazon buildup is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► infrastructures we have to run amazon.com and it's actually pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► popular website and we have scaling problems and we have these these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4376">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► problems that are here so let's build ourselves tools to do that once you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► that you're like ok well we've built these tools internally that they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► great but it's like it lets us and let us build amazon.com or let us build to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► Google's stuff if we change this just a little bit and shape it up we can sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► this as you know ec2 or as Google AppEngine or whatever that's the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► part and once you want you know Apple doesn't even have that first part yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► to they haven't yet recognized that internal infrastructure tools are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► important enough to the company that they need to be is just as important as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► like you know iOS or hardware design or silicon chips or whatever may be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► doing internally maybe they haven't figured out but that's that's what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► think is the main buried them doing this is they have nothing defend because as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► anyone who'd write services offer knows you can't just say oh you guys write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► some code will run on our service cause the first dude put in an infinite loop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► goes I guess we need some way to handle that oh I guess when you do a resource [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4436">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► usage all we're gonna run your periodic job but I guess I mean it like all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► things that you deal with that you have to understand infrastructure for running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► arbitrary jobs in a controlled environment where you limit their CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► but have error handling so you can let someone know why they think didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► complete it was using too much of this and like i mean shared hosting providers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► have to do crap like that where they're just trying to divvy up their resources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► Apple is so not equipped to do that they're not even equipped to run their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► own things in a matter of fact their farming a lot of it out to run you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► the Windows Azure stuff which is great that Microsoft good at that but the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► that Apple isn't I would not hold my breath or anything that Apple is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► to provide for you give them code and they run on their service for you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► would agree with all of that and and somebody in the chat rooms probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► laughing at me saying that cuz I get a lot of grief for saying that but i i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► agree with all that with whom do you agree but both these guys really that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► think would be awesome I don't think I will ever do it I don't think apples to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► apples capable of doing it right now but one thing I will say is that I wish wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4496">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► that we had this is gonna sound so obvious but bear with me I wish we had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► little more insight error not inside out we had a little more access to iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► authentication and iCloud in general especially but one of the things I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► been thinking about a lot in the spare time I don't have is to write a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► very very basic list not to do like a grocery list app and what I mean by that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► is my wife and I we use wonder list right now too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► organize our shopping lists 14 the grocery store 14 hardware stores it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► entertainment center and all the wonderful very good it's it's way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► heavy-handed then then I need I just need a list of things are either checked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► off or not and it one of the things I can think about is writing my own but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► the problem with that is I don't want to have to in the case of mobile services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► my understanding is you can use Facebook to log in this does this sound familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4556">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► facebook login use Twitter to login you can use Windows Live login and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► there might be other options are you can roll your own I don't have the patience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► to my own I get no excitement and no Jolly's over rolling my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► authentication login system I wish I could just use iCloud to handle that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► I know I can win on talking about doing things in their own little silo but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► dont to my knowledge there's no way for me to really sink between iCloud users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► easily and so it's stuff like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► parents talking about that I think would make it really cool and maybe make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► possible for me to make this grocery list app for my wife and I to share that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► uses iCloud is logging mechanism that I don't need to worry about the stuff I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► don't care about and apples what's interesting to me is that Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► usually much usually very good at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► abstracting away the things that I don't wanna care about improperly extracting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► them and in this case they've they've abstracted as many developers have said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► they've extracted too much and they haven't given given us any any vision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► into it and it's just this big black box we have no control over and it stinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► and I really wish that a lot of these things that separate talks about were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► possible but I agree with John I don't think that there that Apple's in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► position that they're capable of delivering it and I grew the Marco I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► don't know that they have any interest in it any way they could do the limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► of this which is they could you know like I just talked about earlier there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► no reason they can provide a web service to authenticate with your iCloud I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► like things that don't involve arbitrary developers giving up a code that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► run on their service on your behalf if they said leave ended the services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► already available through the iCloud API's but did it through you know HTTP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► endpoint and allowed it you know if you could write about this against the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► and the like which was basically apple.com you know it's taking advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► of its own as I know has gone back in time but the iDisk website had a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4676">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► JavaScript implementation they would they would hit against you know regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► set of web service endpoint to do its work and I'm assuming I club stuff to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► similar things and it's not just all talking to Apple servicemen talk to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► services behind the scenes but there's no reason they can't expose some or all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► of the things that you currently can only do from an iOS app as a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► Webb BPI's but Apple has never as I always say Apple doesn't understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► web I mean that's kind of a harsh way to say it but you know Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► someone understand the web because they they want like the results of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► restricted iowa's they're not they're not Google they don't win when more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► people here have applications are more people use the web they want people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► use iOS devices so there's not really a lot of incentive for them to say always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► look and now if you use iCloud is your you know things where you store stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► you can make your web app it to like why would they want you to go to your route [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► they think you should be using iOS application so there's no real advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4736">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► into that but that's one of one of the many many other things to keep away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► my closets locking you win you can't have it without the use of that same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► back and you can't have an Android app that uses this handbag and it certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► happened to you have an Android app anything else but that's some to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► degree is that there's no motivation for Apple to do that but on the other side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► they could put web service endpoints for a limited set of things and that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► make like make people less reticent to use it why would ever use you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► call people using I was like a new signing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► your phone is already setup with your Apple ID day it's great to not have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► sign in thing and it's perfect but if you if that's it that's the extent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► that relationship with this this authentication system that if I call but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► I also want to have a website and so now you got to bend over backwards to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► something like Marco did Blackwell new standards works could you sign in with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► your Apple ID and blah blah but they also have a website but I can't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► access to that idea so I gotta figure out some system than you know you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4796">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► before you know your email and attachments with data in them so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► also there's there's a problem here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► of I mean first of all you know I guess I can see why people in our in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► little world of Mac nerds so often talk about this problem but as a as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► developer of Web services and and again because I have a history of doing these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► things myself and I've gotten pretty good recently you know maybe I'm biased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► here or or my viewers is somehow disorder here but I would I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► don't see the big lineup of people wanting to build web services on Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► cloud infrastructure like that sound like as as a Web service builder I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► never want that because they've shown that they shun partly that they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► really care that much about reliability necessarily or about improving it to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► point where their actions speak louder than words like you know if I'm sure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4857">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► people working on it are trying very hard to to make it work but it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► seems like other company it is a very high priority and you can see that in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► the relatively little progress it's made over the last few years it just doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► seem like it's it's like a number one priority for the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► the way the way getting out a new iPhone it's like s3 you feel like that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► neutral I guess tereza bucket to put crap it's that you can you understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► the business model behind it because you pay for usage and you're pretty sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► that Amazon well maybe less sure these days that that Amazon is not you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► in competition with Amazon by making your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► application your mobile application on your website that both yesterday right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► but you know I think it got a problem with Apple stuff is that because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► doesn't seem like it's that high priority for the moment I'm it's gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► through so much flux like if I would have built before the show if I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► have built Instapaper on Apple's web service of the time when I started it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► wouldn't building it on something called dot Mac which most people don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► have never even heard of any of these days most people who use it probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► forgotten about it you know first it was dot Mac and the first it was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► whatever it was like net tools or whatever that's right tools and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► was no surf internet blast something and they there is there is that in there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► dot Mac which had like some internet service based things and then MobileMe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► which had more internet-based service things and then iCloud which has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► actually fewer internet-based and there is like Apple's own system is in such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► flux here I would never want to build on that infrastructure was going to ask you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► if you think about that but if you read if you read conceptualize all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► things you just listed including iCloud the current one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4976">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► not as a as infrastructure which clearly Apple doesn't think of them as not but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► but nearly as ways to make it easier for you develop to develop feature full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► applications for their platforms so you know if you look at it that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► MobileMe . max Inc and all that stuff was a way for you to write a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► application for you so that you didn't have to write things tough game center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► so you can write a game so you don't have to do the matchmaking you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► have to do the server-based boring stuff like this maybe you just write iOS apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► maybe you just right back out maybe you don't know or don't care don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► do the server side stuff so they're trying to make it so hey you wanna you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► wanna write a game but you don't want to maintain servers right against Game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► Center you want to write a Mac application but you don't know anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► about syncing well we have a frame or so many frameworks you know that frameworks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► do the work for you so that all you need to know about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► you know dentistry for your dentist appt a little bit of cocoa to do the URL but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► you don't even know about OpenGL to make but we shall animated stuff you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► was going to get core animation does that for you that if you look at our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► cloud in that respect it's like well hey why the heck would it work outside of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► the whole point of it is just so that you can make a cool I was out there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► lots of interesting features without having to write the server stuff and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► don't have a baby or maybe had to be in a lost it but like if you look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► that way it looks less insane but I don't like first of all it doesn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► well in whatever then you know as we talked about the length of the show's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► done even even in that respect doesn't work so I got his value even if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► narrow it just to that focus but you know the reason we're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► broadening it out to say having web services and stuff like that is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► we wanted to be an infrastructure component because lots of people around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► applications don't just want it to be easier to make a cool iOS application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► they wanted to be easier for them to run a business or something so S three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► provides that because I don't want to deal with storage but if I passed reform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5096">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► I usage I get storage and that solves a storage problems for my business product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► provided like people buy my products have some of their revenue stream that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► can put towards that whereas the iCloud things like what I cannot solve my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► problem how to ride the iOS app but ok now wanna go to ride the Android app I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► have to do something different and Alan are at the web app you know maybe Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► does it well you can enter it up and went up against the same infrastructure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► and Alba like the odd man out of like oh I gotta use icon with that or maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► don't maybe I'll just like everybody else and just use whatever their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► infrastructure thing isn't it again then Apple being fenced out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► infrastructure business like Marco said whatever trust them for infrastructure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► because it doesn't seem like that's what they're making their making this other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► thing yeah but like I said earlier tonight as you just said I think apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► apples technologies are developed technologies are so good at distracting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► way the things we don't care about a perfect example of what you brought up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► with animation I mean I don't know crap about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► anything related to an emissions or OpenGL anything like that but I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► animate the crud out of a UIView like the best to them because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► coordination API so simple and so robust and it's really disappointing that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► doesn't happen equivalent just like he said 44 what we call cloud computing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► and I don't think I would use it even if it was available tomorrow but man would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► I be like say wEDC if they announce some sort of cloud computing platform I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► be really darn excited about it I surely wouldn't be the first to use it but I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► be really excited about it I would stay very very far away from them laugh this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► is also about commitment because like you know the fact that they have turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► over if you think of MobileMe and think it's like wow that was the thing we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► you know five years ago and you wrote and soldier application five years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► when you made your money from some application and that time is over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► now we assume you're gonna write a new application and people like a bare-bones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► with your gym with like black so we've still got the old application would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► still like to keep selling because we kept updating an apple like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5216">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► that time has passed we have a new thing now so either rewrite your application I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► guess like to work with another solution whereas if you think of something is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► infrastructure like if that at Amazon decided yesterday was our first attempt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► at storage but we're gonna sunset history and we're gonna replace the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► for because that's one more right and is totally incompatible people will really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► regret starting a project that relied on history as the back in like 10 Dropbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► you know couple of small companies may be impacted by this decision and once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► you get that reputation like all they're not interested in building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► infrastructure for long-term support and especially with things like web services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► and stuff where you're not touching it with all of our network connections [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► really no reason ever to completely sunset that type of thing like you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► change how St works I'm sure has change behind the scenes change all the hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► way to install the software that runs that you just the present the same API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► endpoints the network and then you're good to go but Apple like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5276">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► making every structure is no pretense of making structural change 17 times since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► then so that's why everyone is so if Apple ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► to come out with something as they would have to explain say up front we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► understand the difference between infrastructure and the thing that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► it easier for you to write applications for three years and this is not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► other thing so trust us and then still they would have to earn that trust in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► you know do a good job and so on and so forth but there's a big gap and also it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► just seems like Apple wants to work in a higher conceptual level than that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► they they they don't want to expose the guts don't want to expose server-side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► functionality they don't want to expose low-level API eyes or or give you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► level data accident that they they wanted to be the ubiquity I cloud API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► that we expose like this and the apps and that's it and I think that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► much to their downfall really I mean there's there's a few cases the benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► from that but there's so many that that don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► and as we've discussed in one of the earlier episodes of the show like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► think that the whole concept of that is flawed and the way they would have tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► to do like i cud is a simple thing just you know get this flag and call this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► function and it works and you know it's not it's not that simple it doesn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► work and those concepts I i think is flawed but I you know I don't see Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► ever going lower down the stack and ever offering that kind of like deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► low-level access execution of arbitrary code in any language in with any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► restrictions I don't see that happening you know i i any kind of like server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► side stuff they would do would probably be in the form of things that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► initiate locally in the apps that you know maybe it may be a newsstand API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► we're like you couldn't cue a background download with a certain push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► notification or something like that it would it would be these restricted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► cookie-cutter templates it wouldn't be like oh you can execute arbitrary logic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► on the server and I just don't see that never got into the business value store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► like we will keep saying hi club but we really must talk about the core data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► value store is an example of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► limited simple functionality that does not dictate implementations just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► super limited like your preferences and stuff it's not rare like a star you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► don't hear but but you can imagine like that you like is different in like soap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► and WSDL all that two persons like rest you know you can imagine a really simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► HTTP API for key-value store right it's like it breaks itself it's it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► simple because the API so simple and no one is good because no one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► complaining the key-value store shouldn't exist right brent is talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► about is not that kind of thing makes sense because they're just having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► infrastructure so let me is the application developer worry about all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► the details I just need a place that's not here I need a place to talk across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► the network for me to put my stuff and to be able to get it back later I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► take care of the other details like the bargaining stages I know you want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► everything from making magic at work but that's not working for us so if you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► give me a place to put stuff and I can still use my client authentication which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► is really great I'll take care of the rest of it and you know and then I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► a good application which it's stepping down to say I'm willing to do more work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► to talk to your summer bucket if I can authenticate against that bucket using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► iCloud ideas already setup please Apple is just let me do that alright with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRQhjYg/5485">TS</a>]
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