00:00:00 ◼ ► it so you want to some follow-up we can start with handwriting recognition which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/0">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► I'm assuming is more of John's follow-up yeah I don't know why none of us thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/12">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► of this fairly because for all westerners the one thing we didn't talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/17">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► about with iPads and styluses or style I is that handwriting recognition is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/21">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► text input with a with a pen is good for people who don't write with fuhrman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/29">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► characters who have tons and tons of characters Chinese Japanese span the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/34">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► button to those with the keyboard because I had this crazy multi-level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/38">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► keyboards but you you know that one kidnap another time another work your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/41">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► way down to the actual character you want to combine multiple task to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/46">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► one thing where these people know how to draw up with you just gave him a penny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/49">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► so you can recognize that it's actually way more convenient to trying to use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/52">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► keyboard so that I mean I don't know if that's harder or easier than recognizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/56">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► harder than recognizing you know regular room characters that we have but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/61">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► definitely if you can get it to work it's definitely more convenient for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/67">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► person in putting the characters than hunting through some crazy keyboard yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/71">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► friend a friend of mine will hands he had shown me he lives in tokyo despite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/78">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► having grown up in Australia and he has shown me the Japanese keyboard I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/84">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► there's like a name poorly kanji or something like that that's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/89">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► wrong tool but anyway he showed me the Japanese keyboard which involves your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/91">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► drawing these little characters on the bottom of the screen very much like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/94">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► palm was way back in the day and as someone who has never seen it before it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/99">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► was amazing it was extremely cool and i could see how having a styles make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/104">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► that much better spent on the chat rooms telling us that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/107">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► very few people right with characters these days most most of the young people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/112">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► because everything is digital just deal with the crappy and systems so it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/115">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► be that everyone gets over this and they forget how to write their traditional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/120">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► characters I don't know I mean like we've been getting on the people on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/123">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► forums have been getting along without this for a long time with these these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/127">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► various acts of keyboards that hierarchies to them are proceeding like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/130">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► systems for you do a series of strokes to sort of narrow down and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/134">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► that's kind of like auto complete for individual characters which represented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/137">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► tire wear their ideas so we may be are already be passed as ronald was worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/140">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► someone from the Far East to come on the program and tell us whether you like but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/150">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► it's hard to say how to talk about this later when we talk about Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/154">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► earnings how things playing countries other than the United States and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/158">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► those markets really want and it's very difficult to tell how much of what Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/161">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► does is influenced by people and cultures that we know nothing about yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/166">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► absolutely I as a quick aside Marco tips car has the eye Dr handwriting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/171">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► recognition is that correct it does yes do you use than ever I tried it I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/177">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► once and I and it was it was really worth it because it was it was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/182">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► slower than just using the wheel around picking letters yet another character in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/187">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► 1908 the character anyway and it recognizes it and just be cut because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/191">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► the the leg and hearing those steps it just wasn't really any faster than using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/197">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► the wheel so I just use the wheel now when I drove her car off I mean it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/202">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► a one-to-one comparison but it was the closest that I can think of off the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/207">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► of my head you could possibly argue it's better for safety that you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/212">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► looking at the screen as much in practice that's not true in practice it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/215">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► is just as distracting as using the wheel and you start to look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/218">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► screen just as much so I just tried to enter navigation directions while in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/221">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► moving that seems like the smartest approach yeah right so we had a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/226">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► interesting email from Matt Chandler and I really wanted to talk about this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/230">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► then I thought well maybe that's mean of me and then someone else who was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/235">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► mean I'm guessing is not Marco added it to the show no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/240">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► his wife margot should look at the shadows before this question is directed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/243">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► damn oh you picked out this one oh boy ok so from Matt Chandler I listened to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/248">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► Marco on the talk show the episode now it's all floppy where he discussed how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/256">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► Apple's feedback system is quote extremely hostile quote because among [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/260">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► other reasons you get no feedback a response from Apple when you file a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/264">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► radar I was surprised by this is some of my friends and I have filed bug reports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/267">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► were overcast both your twitter twitter an email and have never received [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/270">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► feedback any feedback no formal response tweet or favourite on Twitter this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/274">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► didn't bother me as I didn't expect a response but I wondered why Marco called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/279">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► this behavior by Apple extremely hostile while he takes the same approach with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/282">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► overcast es overcast smaller but it certainly received much less feedback as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/286">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► well thanks to the great show and market thanks to the great work on a protest I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/290">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► can answer this one of you want the reason I'm here is not because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/294">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► necessarily about Marco had to answer but I feel like anybody answer Casey do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/297">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► you wanna answer Marco I know can answer and I can answer it can anyone in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/300">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► audience not answer this I mean I'd I'll be curious to hear both of your answers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/304">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► to me it seems pretty obvious that even in operation the size of overcast if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/311">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► one were to acknowledge every single bug requested report and feature requests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/318">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► that that would be a tremendous mountain of just thanks and ok and I got it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/323">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► do and its letters and I just I can see why Marco wouldn't want to do that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/330">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► mark but the difference is Marcos business isn't already feel like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/336">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► week argument but Marquez businesses in to make other people's bug reports his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/341">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► job where is when when you're providing developer tools that kind of is your job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/347">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► John what was your answer john hasn't well I think Matt Chandler knows the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/353">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► answer to yes overcast smaller you think that a little bit slower than Apple may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/357">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► be a little bit smaller than a bond that share more we have checked Marcos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/362">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► earnings for this year to see if their old in eighteen billion dollars in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/364">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► profit this quarter and sank you double check I didn't quite hit that target yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/369">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► overcast a smaller but it certainly seems much less feedback about exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/374">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► it is smaller and proportionately receives I see how much smaller than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/378">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► Apple is overcast and what proportion of this thing you know so that's one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/382">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► I was recognized one person he would spend all day all this time to stand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/387">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► apart in the second case already covered it is not a platform is not publishing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/391">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► API is for people to write code against Turkey has no developers there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/396">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► overcast Developer Program there's no Marco Arment developer program you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/400">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► people are not paying for a membership to a thing to be supported you're merely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/404">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► customers sending a report now all that said that's not to say that he shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/408">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► give responses or responses personal responses or whatever to the degree that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/413">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► he feels like he can do sort of the dangle jacket I give you amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/418">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► exceptional customer support he should by all means that is a good thing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/422">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► that but on the list of priorities responding to every single bug report [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/426">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► and giving it acknowledged that it was received [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/431">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► are probably pretty low for a one-person shop that's doing all the stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/435">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► Marco is doing so i don't i don't say it like he shouldn't send responsible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/439">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► shouldn't expect one but the explanation for why there was no response and why he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/445">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► might say it's extremely hospital for Apple tonight send response is fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/450">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► clear its hostile for Apple because Apple does not have any constraints that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/453">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► would make it have to be such a big black hole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/458">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► we know that mean look at a preview their hiring people to look at every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/460">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► Gillian apps that come in if Apple want to do this and it and it is a priority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/467">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► to have more than enough money and resources and expertise to do this so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/471">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► that's why it's hot sale for Apple because from a political choices like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/477">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► prioritization of something that we think should be much more important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/481">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► doubtful that it is and we know they have the resources doin Marcus case you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/483">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► could still be angry at him because he got exceptional support but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/487">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► one-person operation because they value support more than he does but if Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/490">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► shifts to to do support differently he's got to pull from someplace else so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/493">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► other part of marcos business do you think he should sacrifice to make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/498">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► that everybody is that the bug report gets a reply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/501">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► you know that's the user tradeoffs that he makes and you can argue whether the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/504">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► right tradeoffs whether you like that kind of company but I don't think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/508">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► should be confused about why Marco can call Apple extremely hostile for doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/511">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► the same thing he does because he's not happen they're so different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/516">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► different standards apply to Marco this is gonna be possible controversial not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/519">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► that I should be that surprised or anybody who knows me by surprise by me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/527">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► producing something about to say with that there should be good wait let me go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/531">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► make some popcorn hold that thought the the sad truth is that it is not worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/536">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► you at you plural not like you know you this guy you everybody in general on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/544">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► average it is not worth insuring your email let me go into why that is I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/549">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► say this to be a jerk I'm saying this literally as like it just simple time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/554">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► constraints and economics so so here's how this works this morning so usually I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/560">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► go to the overcast feedback email in the evening or or like before bed on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/566">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► iPad along with you a lot there because I respond to almost none of it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/573">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► almost none I respond two maybe three or four emails a day from that account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/579">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► since last night when I last cleared out I've received two hundred and seven and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/584">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► they're still three more hours today before I got a bit I expect to receive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/590">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► may be tuned and 2,250 we'll see what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/594">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► that's that's pretty pretty typical most as ever I receive between 60 and 200 I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/597">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► going to mourn out there is there some stink bugs I'm trying to squash when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/602">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► buy my amp so i'm i'm a one-person company I blogged about how much I made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/606">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► it was like a hundred and sixty thousand before expenses and taxes and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/610">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► stuff last year so you know that's really what I make it it's like it's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/614">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► developers good salary it's not stunningly great it's just a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/618">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► developer salary for the level experience I have that's not so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/622">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► that would make a lot of financial sense for me to hire a support person for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/626">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► instance like you know and and I tried I have tried outsourced support services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/631">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► in the past I've had very mixed results with them and I question whether that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/635">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► whether that was money well spent at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/641">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► I could also attempt to answer more emails by using text expander to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/644">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► make my few like form answers and just send those to everybody and I did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/650">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► for the first couple of months of overcast and I question whether that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/653">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► better than not answering them at all because and and I should point out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/657">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► they had a similar conversation as a few months back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/662">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► is is it something that you're pretty sure he is like a forum responsive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/665">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► template response is that actually better than no response at all it is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/670">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► a response that is clearly insincere and I didn't put all the time into is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/675">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► really a good thing like it that's that's a pretty bad as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/679">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► the simple fact is when you get two hundred support emails a day and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/684">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► one person and you know my job is not answering email my job is making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/689">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► product making it work for everybody and responding to emails supporting this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/693">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► responding to email is one of the least time efficient things you can do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/699">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► really like and of course invariably why you respond you know who you responding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/704">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► but in general responding to email is is an extremely inefficient use of limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/709">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► time because you are taking your time to produce something that's only ever gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/716">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► go to one person whereas if you like if I spent that time instead fixing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/722">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► bugs that everyone's complaining about them than to fix for everyone and and or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/727">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► you know or if I can make the product better in some way for everyone that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/733">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► how that's way better use of that time then responding to every email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/737">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► one-by-one saying thanks reporting looking into it or things on that to fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/741">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► the state's the next version of the universe is pending approval like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/744">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► so it's such a better use of time in an ideal world you have time to do both I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/748">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► recognize that but this is not an ideal world this is reality and reality when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/753">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► you're when you have an app that is free up front and at the most you can ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/757">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► hope to make from somebody is $3.50 before tax it's really hard to justify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/761">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► on answering individual emails and I knew that going into it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/769">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► therefore Instapaper so the entire app is designed in such a way that it sets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/773">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► expectations accordingly you'll notice in the app nowhere does it say support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/779">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► it only says feedback and on the feedback link first before lets you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/785">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► email it it shows you a page with an FAQ and known bugs and what's being fixed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/791">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► this version with it so to speak to try to address what you're about to tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/795">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► so maybe don't tell me maybe you can help yourself maybe you can save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/800">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► yourself the time sending that email certainly is the time to read it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/804">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► insert and its and it says right there I will read every email which by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/807">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► even that takes a lot more tonight that I would have expected when I wrote that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/814">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► I read every email and I sailor every man but I also say I just one person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/819">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► with limited time and so I cannot guarantee response and the results that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/825">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► is I respond to most of them it because I literally don't have the time I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/832">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► so much rather spend that time fixing the bugs and making the appt better for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/837">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► everyone then responding to one person and I know that sounds corny I know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/842">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► sounds harsh but that's the reality that's like what you're paying so little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/846">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► for apps that's kind of part of it that kinda had what you have to expect from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/851">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► that like that's all involved in this and so the reason I don't answer my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/855">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► email most of the time is because it's not because I'm a jerk as at least in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/861">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► opinion and you can make your own evaluation of that it's not because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/866">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► trying to be a jerk it's because it is really I decided it really is just an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/869">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► incredibly bad use of time and I know it's not going to please everybody but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/874">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► think it will please the most people overall for me to be doing things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/879">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► rather than spending three hours a day answering him oh I don't remember if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/884">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► I've ever told the story publicly but I feel like I have I have a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/889">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► thoughts first I remember vividly that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/895">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► when we you and I kind of got reacquainted so to speak as we were old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/899">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► friends kinda fell out of touch not an angry way just fell out of touch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/904">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► then we were starting to get back in touch and I would send emails to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/907">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► periodically and this was when number was really starting to take off and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/911">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► Marco Arment was starting to become like a thing more than it was just a person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/915">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► and I would send you emails Marco and I would never get a reply or I would get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/920">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► really really late I remember one time and I were on our way to New York when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/926">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► this was when you ended up visiting you at we were on our way to New York to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/930">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► visit and I think I tweeted about it or something like that and you were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/934">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► wait you're on your way to New York and I said yes I emailed you about that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/937">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► two months ago you said you did God didn't annoy me so much at the time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/941">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► then fast forward a few years and suddenly I'm on a podcast and weekend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/947">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► email oh did we get email in fact we even got an email about how we tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/954">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► people not to send us email which actually made some really good points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/959">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► but I couldn't help but laugh at the irony of it but anyway in so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/964">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► know how to explain it other than however email however much email that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/971">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► you the listener gets there's a decent chance that those of us on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/976">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► get more than that and marco gets more than that still and the other thought I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/982">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► had is how many shows across how many podcasts have talked about how email is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/986">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► such a problem there was that wonderful episode of hello internet I think Mike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/993">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► and I have talked about this on analog God knows that Merlin has talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/997">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► this constantly and and for good reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► the reason everyone complains and moans about email is because email is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► an inherently selfish thing that nobody really deliberately signs up for it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► just kind of happens to them and and so how you deal with that you know you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1015">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► the best you can and that's when Marcos doing yeah that's that's really it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► again I'm not trying to be a jerk by not responding to most of the email I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► it's like it's almost like a defense mechanism I have to defend the night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► time attention because if I did respond all that email all these bug fixes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► improvements and things I'm making would all take longer to come out and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► wouldn't be able to do as much you could spend their entire day just an email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► because remember that email once you respond now you're engaging with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► person and Mike from that person's perspective assist them and you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► from your perspective you're holding now 200 simultaneous conversations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► maintaining state in each of those conversations remember who that person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► is a mother said previously imagined you know you gonna do 200 emails support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► emails today if you responded all two hundred 200 send a response back then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► the tomorrow starting you know two hundred and you start responding to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► like you will spend 100% of your time conversing over email for a with people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1075">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► who have problems with your $5 application right and you were just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► person and chat rooms I'm describing a CRM says yes when you have a staff of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► people you can do that but for a small business there's one person doing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► the work if that one person said I really need to support my customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► that's all that one person would ever do they were never fix a bug never write a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► new version for program never create a program never do anything else never do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► a podcast never have any sort of extracurricular activities they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► just spend all their waking hours conversing with individuals over email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► about the problems they're having with their application and never have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► time to investigate and so it may be to say well you should expand your company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► should have one person company or whatever but like the Georgian this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► question is about hypocrisy of how can you say so angry about Apple doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► something that you yourself do different context that the conditions are entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► different therefore the conclusions are absolutely and and the input that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► email gives me is very valuable like the by by the emails alone the emails can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► help me decide if I have a few big feature that I wanna do next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► the emails decide what comes first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► and decide things like for example I've mentioned it a couple times my big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► feature plan over this winter was to do streaming and I started screaming a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► little bit last fall and I haven't worked on it since for two reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► number one is that they're just keeps the keeping other things that keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► bug fixes sync issues watch get the fight that but the number two is that by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► reading the email and by reading all the tweets which is even more even more big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► stuff coming in that way I can see very clearly that streaming is not what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► should be doing next what I need to be doing next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► which is what I am doing next is auto delete control there right now the actor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► that's how I listened and I don't care like once I'm done with it and everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► here again like that's it I'm done and I thought that's how the app could always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1196">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► work to keep things very simple with like the different states an episode can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► be in and things like that a lot of things very simple that is by far and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► away the number one request the number one complaint and the number one reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► people choose not to use my app is I don't have that control the finer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► control over over whether something get deleted or not and when it gets deleted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► by far that's way more important than streaming based on what people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► telling me what they've been telling you for months and so you know I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► have known that had it not been for the email at the same time I get I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► literally 40 emails a day about the head for a while and all them it took hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► it takes longer just to read them even that like and I said I read all my email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► I'm not necessarily sure that will be the case you see a future in which I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► I can't even keep up with the reading at all anymore but even that like reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► it takes probably probably order of magnitude less time than responding to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► it and even that's hard to keep up with that's how much you talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► that's something that's a little more positive than how much he held the Hawks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► you have any ideas Marco well it's not email it is where space Squarespace the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1271">TS</a>]
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00:21:26 ◼ ► enter offer code ATP at checkout now they emailed me something earlier today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► this is kind of cool so I guess that's coming up pretty soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► that's correct me out so that's that's football right now it's also sunday a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► day of winter there right now so so you know Jeff Bridges the dude he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1302">TS</a>]
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00:22:36 ◼ ► this is all based on Squarespace you can do all this spare space the publishing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► of the site to listening the buying this is all Squarespace you can bid on his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1361">TS</a>]
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00:23:03 ◼ ► charity so really this is not a joke this is not a PR stunt this is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► Jeff Bridges work with Squarespace to make this happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► dreaming with Jeff dot com check it out and you can watch the Super Bowl on 21 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1389">TS</a>]
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00:23:23 ◼ ► his anyway so they working Squarespace too I guess he's gonna be involved in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► their Super Bowl commercial like they're doing this report commercial again this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► year for the first time last year so Jeff Bridges gonna be in the Squarespace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► Super Bowl commercial all worked in with this streaming with Jeff dot com project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► watch the Super Bowl you can add to tell people to see the full commercial space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► with Jeff Bridges anyway check out Squarespace there it's the best way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► build a website at a much better so much in the past we'll talk about it more in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► the future they have all these new features to Squarespace 7 this whole new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1438">TS</a>]
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00:24:30 ◼ ► songs she know you should I looked at my phone on the mobile side a little tape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/1470">TS</a>]
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00:41:10 ◼ ► some money problems that throwing money out of them just will not solve right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2470">TS</a>]
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00:48:18 ◼ ► the good fight and working on things that need to be worked on but they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► get the support from above or the resources from above its kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► same problem like it is not a higher priority for the company or its kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► stuck in this weird division somewhere maybe should be somewhere else or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► know there's some like some roadblock in the middle of the hierarchy and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► making it hard for them or something like that there's there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► organizational challenges in Europe every company is gonna have problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► like this that doesn't make them non problems and and really I mean like I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► think i listened to debug it is it is encapsulated so well and even like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► when roger was was attempting to argue against this point he was proving this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2936">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► point unknowingly because he liked what he saw his point of view is that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► it's like a formulaic 681 Piper high-priority the P 16 p1 bugs and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► we'll forget about this and then they proceeded to talk about how the p2 bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► hardly ever had everybody wants to work on the p2 bugs for the hardly ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► allowed to because of the release cycle leading so little time and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► just about like is a high priority high priority we can't afford to work on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► right now and so what are so I'm not feeling well when i send feeling a lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► of quality here I'm not feeling 61 bugs I'm feeling 6,000 p2 bugs have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► accumulated over the last five years and are being dicks yeah I agree to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► the like this has had problems things that the reason you can't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► prioritization Boston AP 20 whatever the reason you think like there you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/2995">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► that's not a party is a party is because if you were to ever be able to make your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► case you would say is we need to do this because of you that all the reasons they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► would say well I don't think we do this because XYZ and you have this argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► it eventually would you come down to as you move your way up the ladder is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► well obviously my my priorities as the boss are the correct ones because look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► as successful as Apple's been in the higher you go up in the company of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► more the person can say well I understand the people below me might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► believe XYZ should be done but I believe it should be Q [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► history has shown that I've been pretty right because Apple's been doing pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► well and like it's the sort of that's the ultimate success hides problem thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► is that when you get into an argument about what people should be doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► you need more staff to test this and everybody can't be in charge again for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► the millionth time that people who are in charge and the people who are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► always have that they're back Apple's must accompany the world we make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► best products we have under percent customer center but he loves to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► billion dollars everybody's buying iPhones like they always had it sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► right behind them and so no matter what are you make based on a reason in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► end and Indian leaders may be the most successful company in the world do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► think the priorities I'm setting as as your boss or your boss's boss or your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► bosses bosses boss arrest and cook those parties the wrong priorities in what way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► look how successful we are what criteria should we be judging ourselves on picket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► criteria pick a metric we are the best and you're saying oh that's not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► enough because you can get people to bugs right that's that's excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► problems that's what you run up against and if you're one of the lower down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► people and you can't commit the uppers it's like you do you agree that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► kind of have a point and you become a company man who argue that doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► reliability problems a podcast or you leave the company and say well these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► people never gonna listen to me and whether they're right or not this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► the environment I wanna be in you leave you know speaking of podcasts that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► haven't listened to yet at least I haven't friend of the show Ben Thompson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3115">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► was on the talk show this week and one of the things that I noticed in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► notes was them talking about Apple employees have gone on sabbatical and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► then come back and and I know that both you guys to mention that a minute ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► and then with regard to the PTU bugs marco was talking about I know I brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► this up a couple episodes ago but the end he meant to shock interview on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► objective CIO he talks about that in indirectly but just talks about how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► incredible pace and the priority of just getting new hardware and other super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► prevents prevents them from working on the not as showy issues or major changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► over time right right so both homework assignments if you're bored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► anything else on earnings other than that I want the bank account numbers for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► the hundred and seventy or whatever is billion dollars haven't heard the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► call yet but I read in many places that they give a breakdown of six vs six plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► but they merely just said the six sold their their sex plus you guys read that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► as well yeah that's that's what they said that that the six was the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► seller in the line but they didn't say you know what the ratio was and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► don't usually bring on the racially so I don't think we ever get good info on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► that I'm mostly interested in some of the don't say is that it's a pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► anywhere they do say what what value is there or what would motivate them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► tell us that the 60 more than the six bus right I don't know I mean it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► I can't I can't even think of like a cynical like making out here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► competitors like maybe they just don't know I don't understand why they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► say that I think about why did you tell me that like I assumed it I i assumed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► be for the phones were really sick result in this expose your not tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► how much better so just give me any actual information oh then like six sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► more than six months but why you telling me this now it's funny I actually asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3235">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► on Twitter why wouldn't they say that because I I was having a a dunce moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► and it was like well why not you cares we're all friends right and immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► I got a thousand replies very gently telling me I'm an idiot a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► responses were well don't give your competitors anything in and that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► makes sense and and and there was one or two others that were really good but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► basically boils down to what you're saying John you know why why share that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► information what good does Apple what what benefits as Apple gained from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► yeah I mean I guess I have a break then things that it doesn't have to all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► time but like product mix is one that Apple is almost never broken and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► always assumed as lots of reasons like you said that I always assume the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► they don't break it down is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► they don't want to tell their competitors sort of like this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► a mix of demand for these products so if you're going to make a line of phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► this is roughly how many big ones this size and how many small in size you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► to have right exactly like they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► that's that's not the reason that's a reason reason I was thinking they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► actually probably even better reasons why I mean some of their answer her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► question you have to ask questions all the time says no we're not going to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► you that is doing all the time why why decide to say that the six is not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► in their name bragging about its not like I think that you're bragging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► they're not countering this story I don't think is their story out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► that I don't i cant i cant figure it out but you know maybe they just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► they decided to throw the press a bone and tell them this begin with another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► bullet point for story but I don't think it put that on a particularly good or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► bad light anyway I have listened to the call yet to see what it was really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► alright so there's been a little bit of rumblings lately which I was not aware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► of until somebody else pointed it out and in this case West start from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► Australia he or she said it might be worth revisiting the new photo app for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3355">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► Mac I remember you guys were pretty excited about it I have a daily Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► Alert for all news about it it seems Apple have been removing references to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► it from their website that doesn't instill a lot of confidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► digested I mean that's probably not a good sign in it also was funny to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► semi related that somebody Press Tim Cook on whether or not on the earnings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► call whether or not the Apple watches really going to be released early in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► 2015 because it's apparently coming out in April and him said from what I gather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► well the way we think of it is the first third of the years early the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► third is just the middle third and the last 30 days late and so sure why not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► it's still early right we're all friends and I don't know just struck me as funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► so are you guys concerned about the fact that that photos apparently may not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► the photo app may not be a thing anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3417">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► well it seems like you know reading the tea leaves here and here in a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► rumblings here in there I think the answer is not that the Photos app is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► cancelled or just late you know it was I believe didn't they say about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► initial release date was like last fall but I think somebody else correct me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► recently and said it was also really 2015 it was always next year or so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► think it was always to be 2015 sometime ok so you know if if that means by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► end of April 2015 and they're certainly removing all these references to it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► mean I it really does sound like based on you know a few things here and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► is it from what I can tell it's just too late it's not lead there it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► not canceled and like i was wonder these stories of the sort of you know implied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► those stories like will never say this means Apple is canceling it because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► quick like that's the implication but they'd only want to imply they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► want to say it right and even speculate about it because my question would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► alright if you're saying this because you think the photos after the neck is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► cancelled is it really a thing that you think would happen that Apple would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► cancel both iPhoto and aperture and aperture and there was no photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► management I mean I suppose that could be a thing like by all means make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► argument tell me why Apple does not want to be in the business of making you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► first party photo management applications for your Mac anymore I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► would love to hear that argument but they will never make that argument they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► would just say that it's being pulled from the site and let you just worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► about something so in the absence of someone making a compelling argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► that Apple no longer wants to make photo apps which I bet you know if I had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► make that are in my way I would say history has shown over the past several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► years Apple not great at making fun of management apps available didn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► any given away for free that would open up the market to third parties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► but then they'd start parties have to work with the authorities in the cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► and about 11 EPF that bob loved anyway I'm not saying it's totally ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► it could happen right I don't see anyone making that argument that is just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3537">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► what software is late right what else is new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► me take care of that site just because it's kind of embarrassing to have it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► there for a long time and not have it available and maybe you know the website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► your screenshots of something that doesn't exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► people can't get enticing them something like still selling a picture when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► canceled but that's not a good movie there and so this just seems like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► correction if the stars that the next year I don't care just make it freakin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► work that's the thing I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► gets photos on your Mac that such an important thing like that's that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► something you can like mess with like I wouldn't if if it was a beta I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► install it and even install the final version but seriously they just 22 the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► truck like I barely trust I photo of my photos and like this new system whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► it is I'm going to run in parallel with iPhoto for a long time before I trust ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► I mean like whether I use it immediately and whether I like can trust with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► everything immediately will entirely depend on whether I can read its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► directory structure if I can read it back out and I can back it up with Time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► Machine LSW talked about months ago announced this I'll be comfortable using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► it if it doesn't have all those things it's gonna be a tough sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► anyway we didn't actually get a bunch of this week so instead I decided to kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► of throw this one to two conferences that are run by our friends and our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► really nice both happening in marks both happening hopefully I consulted CGP grey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► the bottom half is anyway that's the bottom and video yeah me too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► yes so anyway you're gonna get so much email to review the two largest islands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► in the British Isles are Ireland and Great Britain Ireland has a two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► countries the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland while Great Britain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► mostly contains three England Scotland and Wales these last three when combined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► with northern ireland form the United Kingdom anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► Ennis Conference NFC conference dot com is an awesome conference that is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► light Chester I think it's Leister [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► like the boss and I'll you just kind of in the middle of get some help from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► other was a good video of Americans pronouncing bridge place names should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► find its place esther lester like a creepy dude lester yes my bed here lies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► I was so smug I thought I really nailed it but I was anywhere is that march 16th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► 18th and as conference dot com in Leicester UK speakers include some of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► friends I just launched our dinner jacket pocket fosler sabino Jamie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► Newberry and a bunch more people who are not quite as well but it's a very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► good list and I'll be speaking there as well I tend to speak at about one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► conference per year and wanted this one for a while and the schedule you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► never worked out until this year and I'm very happy to finally work this out so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► check out as conference dot com also I apologize to casey Cumz he wants to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► and probably won't go because baby stuff is hard and so so anyway it's you lol . [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► this is March 30th and 31st in Killarney Ireland speakers include lots of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► we know Jesus no guy English Dalrymple Georgia whiskas Trinity rene some guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► named John or Jonathan Gruber think he's an economist and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► go to you lol . I E that's pretty cool anyway so any conference and shout out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► of this week anyway what else so we're gonna get so much email and I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► looking forward to it anyway I wanted to quickly talk about a tweet that I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► seen retweeted by my friend Andre arco this week is by Gary Bernhardt the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3776">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► history of programming is much more about programmers unacknowledged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► emotional attachment to the miliary than it is about invention and the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► thing I thought of when I read this tweet was Marcos insistence on sticking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► up until the difference though and Marcos defenses that you acknowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► your ridiculous insistence on this ridiculous language and rather than just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► stick your head in the sand although I guess maybe I should have thought of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► John first but since I don't feel like there's any so why do you think of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► pearl is fine you know why do you know anyone with his parole is the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► language and a whole bunch of languages when go and art comes out when go comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► out and all these new language come out I read all the documentation for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► yes but the only one you really need like Marco said is pearl just dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► JavaScript where you work you'll find yourself writing jobs could have escaped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3835">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► the worst language everywhere looking rather I don't really have much to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► other than I thought the to use cool it reminded me of you guys yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► that's true not just a programming language those shoe of anything I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► again with any sort of group organization with a hierarchy where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► people are in charge there's going to be an attachment to the people in charge to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► the things that they are familiar with insist they're in charge they get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► and any attempt to change is met with resistance from the people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► attached to the things they're familiar with their specific instances and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► programming it whether it's specific language or technology or particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► code base that people get attachments with in many cases specifically with TAC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► what's required is somebody who's not tech person to make a decision and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3893">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► posted on the tech people that's how you get situation that's how you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► essentially Mac OS 10 right because Apple had also its next-generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► initiatives within its walls and there was none of them are focused enough and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► they were put under very difficult constraints they just couldn't get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► job done he only way they could break out of that with they had to someone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► is not a programmer who has no attachment to the Mac tool box or do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► anything involving classic Mac OS two come in and say we're doing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► different because none of the people who were there in the trenches were going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► do that because all those people who are experts in the current Mac operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► system and they may have had a mission is to make a new operating system but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► they certainly had an attachment to the current one who takes care of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► outsider and usually an outsider is not a tech person in this case the outsider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► was the CEO of the company who decided to purchase another company that came up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3956">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► with Steve Jobs and he did little inside-out takeover type thing those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► the people who decided that there is an operating system with built in next that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► nobody you know inside the company working on a new kernel or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► decided that next to be like there's a way out of this to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► deal with an emotional attachment you have a duty to get a decision made by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► somebody has no emotional attachment of those things and you know who I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► know it was going really old and has a CEO can you remember the CEO progression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► and Apple did not have an emotional attachment to classic Mac OS so the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► of you know using the Windows anti-crime are buying next are buying be ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► those things he's not burdened by any emotional attachment to technologies are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► language is there anything having to do with the current technology stack that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► was kind of a crisis tunity though because it comes to going down the tubes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► the person can the person in charge is empowered to do that and again the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4015">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► success has problems who and Apple is empowered to make them change their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► priorities for network services anyone who has that sort of ability like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► there's no crisis causing it to happen at this point because for all the noise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► we make talking about app on their problems like then they turn these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► financial numbers and it's like tell me again why I have to totally change the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► way we do things are otherwise otherwise what happens if we don't we have another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► well you know blackberry was doing great in 2006 I know it's hard problems right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► to the point that it doesn't write and Apple especially because if Apple missus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► this fantastical earnings by just a little bit like oh god Apple's doom the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► only made sixteen billion and and last year they paid eighteen if they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► sixteen billion this you know the same quarter next year they do know they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► sixteen billion dollars in the quarter they're fine right so it's but people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► still go crazy over it so I guess that's kind of the upside I don't really talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► about this but the upside of the crazy Apple blogosphere and the pundits who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► are like Apple is doomed to my what Apple does they they're about to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4077">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► destroyed by whatever their competitor is that has actually manufactured crisis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► it's not real phantom I don't want to say it got a real problem but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► perception that there is a problem is the only thing they ever give anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► inside Apple any sort of clout to make a you know to have a crisis that leads to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► an opportunity right otherwise if there were any other company would be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► nothing ever changes ever doing great I don't understand why I would ever listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► to you everything is fine and you know and just to put a little bit a nuanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► on this like when I when I complain about Apple's quality problems or what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► perceive as quality problems I'm not saying apples do they're not apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► gonna be fine for a long time you know Apple's gonna be even if they have a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► patch it's gonna be a little bit like Microsoft is today which is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► Microsoft is you know most of our estimations in this is there going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► through at their worst period ever right now they're still making tons of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► on their still fine and there aren't making as much money necessarily as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► could be or maybe as they were in the past I don't know about that but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► know they're still even in this state of them producing things that don't do well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► in the market and things that tend to suck a lot or fail least they're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► as a company and financially everything so fine it's not even funny and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► know Apple even if they had a colossal series of terrible moves and terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► products of flops in the marketplace which doesn't look gonna happen time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► soon even if that happened they have so much money coming in there are still so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► many people they're still gonna have such such great success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► relative to the market as a whole relative to other companies relative 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► that they're gonna be fine so I'm not saying they're doomed I'm not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4196">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► saying that they're gonna start making less money I don't know that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► who knows I do think though that as you know following the theme of success hide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► you can be selling tons and and and doing very well in profit in market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► share any kind of like you know money metric you want you want to measure and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► still not be making stuff that's good enough that is a different metric and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► and you can you can you know similar to how I said look you can lose the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► function on high ground without losing it to somebody else that you can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► lose it yourself you can still be doing very very well you can still be making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► tons of money you can still be the market leader in whatever metric you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► choose to be despite that your stuff might not be as good as it could be or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► should be that is totally separate measure that often does not correlate to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► your market success I wasn't talking about you I was talking mostly about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► like like that there's bad assumptions arkla Ben Thompson who may or may not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► in our chat room by gets the analysts who are like Apple has to come out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► the network you know or other competitors in aggression they needed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► lower price bones are going to destroy them in China like all these people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► just don't understand out below their business and they're the people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► manufacturing like the drama on the stock market with their price like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► why Apple's PE ratio is not what it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► according to almost any rational thought it was like you know is this big article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► says open the shows like Apple is eternally I think I'm gonna said similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► things really like on the edge of doom like I said like they're currently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► currently falling to earth they just keep missing it's a basic there in orbit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► right and it's not and this is from the people who matter like I'm in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► financial markets like that and and everybody hates that you have a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4317">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► websites dedicated to just like him in the MacLab all he does is just here she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► has his just take down the these people who just have no idea what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► talking about a consular talk about Apple and seemingly having people listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► to them but there is a benefit and the benefit is if that chatter gets loud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► enough it can be fuel for things to happen inside the company that otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► wouldn't have been the only other fields are marked talked about that any good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► company and especially Apple knows don't let yourself be blackberry right don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► make yourself don't miss the mobile revolution don't decide that a hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► keyboard is the way forward dammit like you can always get blindsided and had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► apple to its credit and perhaps better than anyone else has been really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► over the past decade or so about trying not to let that happen because I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► resting at like that that's what the watch is all about is the watch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► right thing Apple TV the right thing like these are things that Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► trying they don't try a million things but they know we're going to you know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4376">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► phone company forever that is not a viable strategy you end up as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► blackberry eventually number I don't you know it may take a while but eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► happen if I had to pick out something that is dangerous to Apple right now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► would pick out like we are something maybe there'll be a fluke and it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► big deal but Apple should be worried about it should have contingency plans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► should be working in like maybe it's not a big deal maybe they are comes and goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► and it's like you know we didn't need to be worried about it but doesn't they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► coming to every seven or eight years I know you don't know but you never know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► what's gonna take maybe won't take now if you'd said like tablet computers he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► better be worried about that Apple when like 10 for Windows came out like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► that the grid pad or whatever we gotta be very worried about this if you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► what were they said no we don't need to worry that stupid and then it went away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► and you like see we were told to rate the whole thing with like tablets that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► pointless no one's gonna be that's not the same appalling was at all you bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► we tried the new Numis crabby nobody wants to have like a smart device for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► the touch her yet stupid if Apple Cup having that attitude they would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► never made that the iPhone right just bien todavia comes and goes like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► said we were right now you have to you absolutely have to explore every avenue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► maybe nothing comes to but you have to be on the lookout for I think Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► that going for it that it's always going to be on the lookout for what the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► thing is gonna blind-sided trying to stay ahead of it but the more difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► thing is when you don't have anybody who is competing with you in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► product quality profits customer set anything like that what do you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► motivate you to be better or to change the way you do business because any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► argument you make about change then we do this is Ken eventually ending what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► does it do you think how can we do better in some way which metric that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► can measure would we do better and we make more money we have higher customer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► satisfaction I guess maybe you could say we have more market share but then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► have encountered at like if you lower if you saw the lower price phone you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► increase your market share in that Apple said yes but we don't care about market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► share care of making us products and making a lot of money possibly in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► alright still waiting for that Sega V our heads ok let me know how that works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► that Sony's making on the accuracy of people to get to be our headsets on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► Squarespace and lynda.com and I guess Jeff Bridges and we will see you next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► now the show they didn't even mean to begin because it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► and you can show the day to be done and Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4545">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► what's going on at this point and we're never gonna watch the Microsoft thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► right we all forgot to do it for two weeks in a row right ovary supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► probably watch a little bit I read articles with highlights and I know more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► or less what was announced i just want to see it i guess i mean sometimes when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► I watch those things to do very quickly becomes not about what's been announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► but about how it's being announced yeah and sometimes I could be good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► something that can be bad if it's really long and boring and bad but I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4615">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► remember that one of the best things I watched a long time was that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► Windows 8 Metro was like announced it was like that but you got you I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► explain the UI philosophy behind the Metro interface that was really good I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► think I mean I've heard so many people talking about this might be something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► various things about it I think the biggest red flag for me is that all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► these features are designed for a leg it sounded like they have basically 11 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► continuous you I between phones tablets and PCs and you know convertible laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► and everything you know everything like rather than the windows 8 environment of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► ladies two separate environments and Windows RT which no one really mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► recently with the stuff I think I can take and that they think so but i dont [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► have not been confirmed that he has been employed but all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► the problem is that whole system of own it'll be wonderful you can have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► absurd on the same platforms you can have things being handed off in all its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► you have to not consider what happens if you have all the Microsoft devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► because that's not gonna happen like that's unrealistic that so you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► instead can see if you said be like ours so what happens if I only have one or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► two of these what maybe I only have the laptop and the Xbox or media just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► the tablet and a laptop or something like that like knowing about the Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► Phone anytime soon so I can know what happens then in like a mixed environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► where this year I don't have are not totally bought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► is the stuff still compelling if it works at all you know is is that i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► is is why I hope Microsoft is is smart and practical and humble enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► recognize the need to be worried about that and they need to make sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► works well I don't know yet if they are you know we in general the new Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4737">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► is moving in that direction of being more pragmatic and honest about their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► position in mobile but we'll see in a hollow lens I mean how and from what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► everyone says is a really awesome tech demo that everyone hopes will come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► sometime soon with some kind of reasonable hardware that perform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► something well and worked with some kind of mystery software but that's that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► you know that that's a big line of like of pretty big problems to solve before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► this thing is truly compelling and so I hope it succeed I think it'd be cool but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► I think it would be cool to kinda like shake things up in the industry and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► to have Microsoft be the fuhrman again it's kind of exciting because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► haven't been for a while so I think that would be interesting I think it'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► there there's so many IFS like you know and people are comparing it to light the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4793">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► called president all I think that sounds familiar yes people are saying like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► know the original demos of that we're like insanely awesome ridiculous stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► and in the real thing him and it wasn't nearly that good in reality and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► could happen here but you know from what everyone has said who has tried the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► Holland at the press event everyone said like it was really good it like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► actually really good but of course it was all prototype hardware prototype [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► software pretty far from reality pretty far from Aliso like I saw some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► who are normally skeptical saying was really good too but it's like really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► good like a fun amusement ride but what problem is a solving for me in gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► it's easier because like gaming is amusing right that's the problem solving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► for entertainment right right for something that's not a gaming system the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► democrat be amazing because you didn't know the things you're experiencing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► possible and it was a super rock-solid station of these ideas but then it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► like if you gave us to me and put it in my house what would I use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► games are easy I would use it to have fun ride if it doesn't make me sick and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► it's fun and interesting and it makes new gameplay think it's just fun sites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► all you need that but for people like 3d modeling and stuff are you kidding me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► take someone who uses mild and tell them you gonna do everything will hold it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► could get there eventually maybe you have to do but like those applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► are fiendishly complex they just like the UI looks like the dashboard of a 747 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► gonna try to do that by waving your hands around in space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► what is it making easier like what is it making possible easier for people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:36 ◼ ► those companies that are you like maybe I don't know but like its up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► Microsoft to figure that out and putting a bunch of people in his little things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► and having them be wowed by by technology is it's a start I guess but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► you know the Apple thing is you have to come up with at least one thing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► think this thing can do better than something else and you have to be right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► and I don't know that there is a good discussion about this on on rocket our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► friends that she was talking about 3 like she does 3d work all day and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► knows and other people who do it she knows like that's not really how people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► do three he and I think to you know we've seen as tablets have gotten big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► and phones and everything and we've seen in all these all these like weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► peripherals it to people that they have tried over time I think we've we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► mostly figured out the things that work really well for most tasks and I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► saying that we can never do anything different than we can ever find better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► ways but a lot has been tried and a lot has failed and I think it's when when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► you look at liked to get a lot of work done a lot of precise complicated work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:53 ◼ ► done a keyboard and a pointing device and the screen is really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4973">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► effective and again that might not be the most ideal solution but we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► lot of inertia behind that solution with you just gotta wait until it becomes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► it becomes the best way to do it like touch screens but it remains forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► people hated them people just hated touch me how long will it take turns my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► whole practice my whole life and universally reviled right and that means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► touchscreens are bad ideas like know someone eventually has to do them right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► enough that you go oh yeah touchscreens Apple happened to be the one that got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► their right and so is the same way we've had we are forever every time we see in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► its like an amusement things you put on in the nineties in a video arcade it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► were probably the point now where you can make fun games with it if they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► work out the problems but you know will know it when someone finally cross that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► threshold and it's like it's not like we are as a bad idea the reason to believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► trying it's because it's an amazing I did you just got to be the first one to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5033">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► do it right and go oh yes every other and people will say every other previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5037">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► effort of Berar sucked and this is the one that's good and you don't even have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► to convince people because no need to be convinced now that a good thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► people born and you know so the outpost smartphone era will never believe you me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► said before all my life touched me terrible and everybody hated them what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► was different about them they were slightly less responsive I gets it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► pretty much it someone had to press really hard some of them are a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► less responsive like doesn't take much you know so that's why people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► excited oculus because it seems like I'm gonna try to myself it seems like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► cross the threshold into no longer sucking four games and I've tried an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► oculus rift which one I have no idea as soon as I tweeted about it but I tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► one I i genuinely don't know which 1 I'm not trying to be funny I tried it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:52 ◼ ► two minutes and it was cool as hell and I i was playing like one game where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5092">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► was flying around in like shooting it something or other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► and I played another game or basically I was just planning now for the game to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► honest I was walking around like a balcony on the edge of a cliff and its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► freakin trippy mane it is weird I'm not typically prone to motion sickness I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► didn't get any and I was only the headset on for a couple of minutes but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► would assume since there is even the slightest bit of potentially see between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► real world and it that John you would vomit profusely but I mean I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► was spot-on I thought is really cool I think that the challenges of taking one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5132">TS</a>]
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01:29:19 ◼ ► expect that ar is probably a lot easier to work out the motion sickness problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:23 ◼ ► for ya probably because you do have the visual cues everything else but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5363">TS</a>]
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01:29:40 ◼ ► looked at the coffee table and there was a Minecraft structure on it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► pretty much say in the somali stuck to the table I couldn't when I wake up my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5383">TS</a>]
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01:29:58 ◼ ► never sort of lost track of where the coffee table was actually drew at an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:01 ◼ ► elevated to left and to the right because that takes you out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5401">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► illusion that they had special ok well coffee tables real but the little castle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► on top of it is ignoring lighting just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► to have a connect to the world that's that's one of the big problems in a hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5413">TS</a>]
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01:30:21 ◼ ► besides minecraft castle tables why would have run to put it in the after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► show have said TV news before we go I know what happened said said said said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► on multiple levels so I got my fancy TV that like Panasonic Plasma TV I know all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► that plasma TVs no limitations take very good care of my television or so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5443">TS</a>]
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01:31:05 ◼ ► a lot of destiny on it and that turned out to be a mistake got about eighty 80 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5465">TS</a>]
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01:31:15 ◼ ► despite its flaws or perhaps because of its laws I'm not sure anymore but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► destiny has one feature that I should have paid more attention to in didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► and in the lower left corner of the screen while you're playing destiny is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► heads up display that shows a 100% yellow line and 100% white silhouettes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5488">TS</a>]
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01:31:38 ◼ ► still see the yellow line and little silhouettes @ the guns in the car on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5498">TS</a>]
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01:32:02 ◼ ► is something that most games are good about giving you a way to make a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5522">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► bit transparent because the background is constantly changing promise when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► make something opaque then it never changes I was just there for just an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5532">TS</a>]
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01:32:19 ◼ ► acknowledgement that they acknowledge they've heard this complaint before and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► they can't give any timelines and blah blah blah battled back in November so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5542">TS</a>]
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01:33:03 ◼ ► might feature that puts white across the bar ice cream that's supposed to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5583">TS</a>]
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01:33:12 ◼ ► continue to use your TV as normal don't play the game anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5592">TS</a>]
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01:35:08 ◼ ► in the games they're not photo realistic and you know I want to watch my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5708">TS</a>]
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01:35:54 ◼ ► make it acceptable for gaming but probably much better on this monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5754">TS</a>]
01:35:58 ◼ ► right well said here that yeah and I i worried about it for other games too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ577W4/5758">TS</a>]
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