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561: The Stephenlympics

 

00:00:00   From Relay, this is Connected, episode 561. Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace.

00:00:14   My name is Mike Hurley and I have the pleasure of introducing the Ricky Benchman, Federico

00:00:19   Vitticci. Ciao Federico.

00:00:20   Ciao Mike, hello, hi. We're also joined by a very special guest today, the one and only

00:00:29   Mr. John Boris. Hello, John.

00:00:31   Hello, hello. It's good to talk to you, Ricky. I've never been on a show where I've got to

00:00:35   call you Ricky, so I'm going to refer you exclusively.

00:00:38   That sounds incredibly weird.

00:00:41   I don't know why none of us have thought to do this before. John, you're the best guest.

00:00:48   This is why you are the one true John.

00:00:50   I do not like it. Don't do it again.

00:00:53   My friends call me Richard.

00:00:55   I'm sorry, Ricky. I'll try to be good.

00:00:59   Oh my God.

00:01:00   Today, a little bit later on in the show, we're going to be playing the Stephenlympics because

00:01:05   Stephen's not here this week. And so the three of us have made predictions about things that

00:01:10   Stephen will do over the next 12 months. And we will get to that, but this is a regular episode

00:01:15   of Connected, so we must start with some follow-up. James wrote in and said, regarding Federico's

00:01:21   comments about the possibility of design being both opinionated and accessible. So this is a conversation

00:01:26   we were having last time about liquid gloss. James says, I think it's possible to have a strong

00:01:32   identity with design while still being accessible to most users. The best example that I have found

00:01:38   is the UK government's design system. I'll put a link in the show notes if people want to see that.

00:01:42   It's a design that has a lot of clear and accessible controls, but also has a very strong look and feel.

00:01:46   If you've used any of the UK government websites, there's a brand identity that's clear and

00:01:51   immediately recognizable. Before you say anything on this, Federico, if you have anything to say on

00:01:55   this, I do want to jump in and say, this is incredible design. And I do really recommend

00:01:59   people look at the government's design system page that they built like, this is the design of our

00:02:03   websites. The thing about this, I agree with James's point that this is an example of something that

00:02:12   looks visually pleasing and is very accessible and understandable and easy to use.

00:02:18   But the government's website is devoid of any personality.

00:02:21   Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Like, what is the example, the government website? Because

00:02:26   it's not a really good looking website. I mean, it's kind of basic.

00:02:29   It looks good in simplicity terms.

00:02:32   No, but like from the comment, I was expecting, I don't know, some kind of masterpiece.

00:02:36   Yeah.

00:02:37   And it's just, I mean, it's functional.

00:02:39   Again, I think it is a masterpiece design for a functional system. Like it is the perfect

00:02:46   design for a government website.

00:02:49   Right, right.

00:02:50   That's the thing, because it should be devoid of personality. Like it's a government website.

00:02:57   Like I don't want animations, right? Like I don't want them.

00:03:00   I guess I just disagree with the comment that has a very strong look and feel. I don't think

00:03:05   it does. It's a plain website with some text and links.

00:03:09   Yeah, I agree with you. I'll say that the counter that I'll make is if you are in the UK, you

00:03:17   immediately know when you're on a government page. Like because you can appear here in certain

00:03:21   ways. Like if you're on an NHS website, for example, right? You are like, oh, like it is

00:03:28   immediately has the same look and feel as the website page where you upload your tax information.

00:03:34   Like it is, they have a strong brand, but the brand is no brand. You know what I mean? Like,

00:03:41   so it's like, it's, I think it is a strong example of having an identity, but that identity is devoid

00:03:47   of any fun style or anything, which is the point. But that doesn't like, and while this is a good

00:03:54   example of this, I actually think it is a, it perfectly makes your point, which is if you want to have

00:04:00   something be opinionated and accessible, that opinion is the removal of anything fancy.

00:04:08   It was a good, I think it is a good example to show. I also just think if people have not seen

00:04:15   what the UK government website looks like, I think it is worth looking at because I just think it's

00:04:18   interesting from a design perspective.

00:04:20   Yeah, it is. I mean, I think it's a great design for a government website. I mean, that's, you know,

00:04:24   it, because it knows what it's trying to be, right? It's trying to be something that's easy for

00:04:28   people to recognize and use to get everyday things done. It's very different than, you know, a,

00:04:35   like a, I don't know, a smartphone UI for sure.

00:04:38   Which is trying to look like glass.

00:04:40   Right.

00:04:41   It's made of water.

00:04:42   And boys, I know you boys love accessories. I'm here to tell you, Qi 2.2 is coming. Get excited.

00:04:48   It's time to replace all your batteries. Here comes Qi 2.2. The thing about Qi 2.2,

00:04:55   25 watt charging.

00:04:56   Yeah. Basically matching, basically matching MagSafe, like the latest MagSafe charging by

00:05:02   Apple. Uh, this is good. I mean, the, the spec was like, what? Officialized like two days

00:05:09   ago or something.

00:05:09   Yeah. Very recent. Yeah.

00:05:11   Very recent.

00:05:12   And these companies, like I saw, Aki, Ugreen, Belkin, a bunch of others have sort of started

00:05:20   teasing their Qi 2.2 accessories. Um, is there an expectation here that the iPhone 17 lineup

00:05:27   will be supporting Qi 2.2?

00:05:30   So the Verge found a, or there was a report that there was a new MagSafe charger coming

00:05:39   that supported Qi 2.2, which is really weird, but like it gets, so it can work for other

00:05:45   devices, right? So like while MagSafe charges at that speed, if you put another device on

00:05:53   it, it wouldn't charge at 25 watts. But this is other Qi 2.2 devices could charge at that

00:05:59   is the way that I understand it. But there was a, there was a regulatory leak of a Qi 2.2

00:06:06   MagSafe charging puck that got out, which is odd and weird. But, uh, I think this is great

00:06:13   because I, I, I mean, I mentioned on the show before I upgraded my bedside charging, uh, MagSafe

00:06:19   pucks to the, to the faster ones. And I've been very happy about that. And like when I use

00:06:24   my beloved, uh, Anchor 3 and 1 cube little guy, you know, like the little cube one, oh my

00:06:29   God, it charges so slow. Uh, cause I think that's charging at like 7.5 probably. Um, so I wouldn't

00:06:36   mind, I wouldn't mind an update to some of the products that I use. Um, and so, uh, Qi 2.2

00:06:42   will give it to us, I guess.

00:06:43   I'm sort of, I'm sort of over Qi. I'm sort of over it. I, yeah, I mean, I, I don't dislike

00:06:50   it. I have a, a Qi 2 or a, I don't know what, what is Qi, what has Qi done to you, John?

00:06:56   I don't know. Well, it's, it's inefficient and it's relatively slow. I mean, this will help

00:07:01   obviously, you know, my device gets really hot. I do wonder how badly it's stressing

00:07:06   out the battery and I can just easily plug my stuff in and go and charge it a lot faster.

00:07:11   Oh, so you're like, you're over MagSafe. John's like, no more MagSafe.

00:07:13   Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just in general, battery charging. I'm sort of over it in the sense that

00:07:18   I have like a little Anker battery that has a built-in USB-C cable in it and it charges

00:07:24   a lot more reliably and faster than, than other methods. So I, I don't know. I just, I'm not

00:07:29   using it a lot anymore.

00:07:30   Well, I hope everybody that has like stocks in Anker are just going to sell now because

00:07:36   I know. I buy a lot of batteries, guys. I do like, I do love a good battery, but, but I'm

00:07:41   kind of over the, uh, the MagSafe and Qi world these days.

00:07:44   I really appreciated, uh, on AppStory's big, beautiful battery. I thought it was very funny.

00:07:49   Yeah.

00:07:50   It's a huge battery.

00:07:51   It is a big, beautiful battery. It's really important. Uh, some follow out. Uh, I've used

00:07:56   my quizzes experience in a new place. Uh, so friend of the show, Quinn Nelson is such a fan

00:08:02   of the quizzes, uh, that he asked me to host a quiz show, um, about the Apple style guide,

00:08:08   uh, in which he participated against Linus from LTT, MKBHD and YouTuber Scott, the was who

00:08:15   was someone I'd never heard of. Uh, he's a gaming YouTuber. Every, all of the comments

00:08:19   for everything, everywhere that this is posted, everyone's super excited about Scott, the was

00:08:24   being in the video. So I think that's super fun. Now is somebody new for me to find out

00:08:27   more about. Uh, I hosted this game show. Uh, it was terrifying, uh, but it came out pretty

00:08:32   well, I think. And so I put a link in the show notes if people want to go watch it. Uh, it

00:08:36   was a fun time and I'm happy to use my quizzes experience and thanks to Quinn for asking me

00:08:41   to, to be a part of it. You've done an excellent job. Oh, thank you. Yeah. Very, very nerdy

00:08:47   topic. I love the nerdiness of it. Yeah. Yeah. It was a pretty intense, uh, it was a pretty

00:08:52   intense, uh, to try and work that out. Uh, I have a question for Federico. Okay. I think

00:08:59   this has come up before, but so yes, my accountant, uh, sends me WhatsApp voice messages. So, and

00:09:09   every now and then I get a note and it says from my account. Because probably because you

00:09:14   got to pay your taxes. I mean, it's, it's for much of reasons. I don't need to get into it

00:09:18   right now, but basically every time I get one of these notifications, uh, I am full of anxiety

00:09:23   immediately. Uh, cause I don't know what he's about to tell me now. Yeah. I'd be the same

00:09:28   way. Uh, you know, you never want to see that, right? Like you got a message for your account

00:09:33   and you open it up. It's three minutes long. It's like, Oh God, what next thing you know,

00:09:38   the taxing authorities are going to be using, uh, voice messages, you know, again, from the

00:09:43   IRS or somebody. At least I'll understand how to use the website. Am I right? The nice and clear

00:09:47   design. Um, so as I'm making more friends here in the UK, because of having a baby, uh,

00:09:53   I am using WhatsApp way more. Um, and I'm just wondering, Federico, do you use the voice messages

00:09:59   feature? Oh man, this question is so funny, not because I'm making fun of you, but because

00:10:05   it feels like it's almost as if I asked somebody, Hey, do you think oxygen is important? Like it's,

00:10:12   it, um, yes. Like this for the past, I would say for the past decade, really, uh, was a massive

00:10:22   shift, uh, in Italy. I know about Italy. I think it's the same elsewhere. I think WhatsApp voice

00:10:28   messages are equally used in Spain or Germany. I'm guessing, um, this started happening really

00:10:36   about a decade ago. Um, and it just, I mean, it's not just that WhatsApp is like the default

00:10:43   text texting app in Italy, right? Everybody's using WhatsApp. And then like, there's like,

00:10:48   I don't have exact numbers. I would love to know the actual statistics, but just eyeballing it,

00:10:55   I would say like 85% of people, 90% of people have WhatsApp and the rest 10% is like equally split

00:11:02   between iMessage, Telegram, whatever people are using these days. Um, but yeah, but a decade ago,

00:11:09   or I don't even remember when voice messaging became a feature of WhatsApp has to be, has to be more than

00:11:16   a decade ago. I would bet it predates Facebook buying them. Uh, probably. Yeah. But it's just,

00:11:23   yeah, everybody uses them like every single day, multiple times a day, short ones, long ones. Um,

00:11:30   it's just, it's so woven through our usage of smartphones now that it's just as normal as

00:11:41   actually maybe even more normal than making a phone call or texting, you know?

00:11:47   But like, I, I know you must understand the weirdness to me because you don't get these from

00:11:54   any of your American friends. Nope. And I find it so fascinating whenever you guys are surprised,

00:12:00   or whenever I hear Americans looking at us like exotic animals. I mean, they do most.

00:12:04   No, I know people here do it. Like I'm very aware that that is a very normal thing in the UK. It's just

00:12:10   not a thing that even my friends here. Because you've been, you've been Americanized. Yeah. You have

00:12:16   too many American friends. Yeah. Cause a lot of my friends and family, I kind of forced them to use

00:12:20   iMessage. Yeah. We gotta, we gotta put some, some, some pure British blood back in your mind. Federico,

00:12:28   you should just start sending me voice messages. I'm going to start sending you voice messages. But

00:12:32   the thing is, can I, I will not do so on iMessage because here's the thing. The voice messaging

00:12:38   feature on iMessage is the perfect example of an American looking at something European and trying

00:12:45   to come up with a replica. It's like, I don't know. It's like the, the, the, the Huawei of a feature.

00:12:51   Right. It's like, Oh, I mean, it seems like these Europeans are into voice messages. Hey,

00:12:57   we can do voice messages. And it's like, Apple, let me tell you, you, you, you totally do not

00:13:04   understand how this feature is supposed to work. The gestures, the speed, the playback.

00:13:10   Um, I do love that. I can listen to my accountants messages at 1.5 speed.

00:13:15   Yeah. Oh my God. Thank you. Yes. That, that, so the playback speed is a change that occurred over

00:13:21   the past, uh, couple of years, year and a half, I think. And, and now everybody's doing it right.

00:13:27   because I mean, nobody's got time for anything these days. Uh, and so just like you can watch a

00:13:32   YouTube video at 1.5 or listen to a podcast at 1.6. So can you listen to WhatsApp at 1.5 or two?

00:13:39   I wish they transcribed them though. Don't they have that feature in testing? I hope so. They

00:13:46   should. I mean, it seems like an obvious thing. Yeah. Yeah. I think that, I think they have it in

00:13:51   testing. I don't have it yet. Um, let me see. What's the latest? Because you can't always listen,

00:13:56   right? Like you might, you know. Yeah. Don't you have the beta Federico? I know that they were

00:14:00   doing a beta at one point. No, I don't have the beta anymore. Uh, what I did notice recently is that

00:14:05   now, uh, when you get a voice message, uh, you can play back the audio from the iOS notification,

00:14:11   which is an excellent feature. Oh, that's nice. Um, that was very nice. Uh, so yeah, uh, to answer

00:14:17   your question, uh, use them all the time. I find them very convenient. They are the perfect mix of

00:14:24   the asynchronous communication of texting with the, um, sort of intimacy of, of a phone call,

00:14:31   you know, because people can hear you, hear your voice and they can hear your sort of your

00:14:35   tone and no emoji needed. Yeah. And infer the context, you know? So yes, excellent feature

00:14:42   has become, I would say in Italy, like people send more audio messages than make phone calls

00:14:47   by now. Hmm. Yeah. I, uh, WhatsApp is very close to getting on my home screen now. Oh yeah.

00:14:53   I'm just using it more and more and more. It's only going to become more and more and more.

00:14:58   It's good. It's good. They have a, they have a great Mac app. They have a great iPad app now.

00:15:02   It's actually iMessage wishes. It could be WhatsApp, but yeah.

00:15:11   Do we now know the colors of the next iPhones? There's been a bunch of news articles about this.

00:15:17   More leaks.

00:15:18   No one will, everyone won't stop posting about it. We have, I have articles from nine to five Mac.

00:15:22   I have articles from Mac world. I've got tons of stuff in the show notes. It started off

00:15:27   with camera rings, right? So like, uh, I think Sonny Dixon had got ahold of the camera rings

00:15:34   for a bunch of the phones and then, uh, Fili Pesposito, Fili Pesposito at Mac world. I thought

00:15:42   it was a nine to five Mac, but it's now moved. It looks like, yeah. Right. Uh, got a hold somehow

00:15:47   of Pantone colors for the next iPhones. Um, essentially, I guess like the top line that we've got, right?

00:15:55   So the iPhone 17 and I guess the iPhone 17 max will have black, gray, silver, light blue, light

00:16:04   green, light purple. The iPhone 17 air will be black, silver, a different blue color and light gold. So

00:16:14   it's own kind of two kind of colors. The iPhone 17 pro and the iPhone 17 pro max will be black,

00:16:22   gray, silver, blue, and orange. I'm sorry. Orange iPhone 17 pro. And if you look at the

00:16:29   Mac world article based on the colors of the phone, it's kind of an interesting color. It's like a bit

00:16:38   goldy. You know what it is? I, to me it's copper. Yeah. I mean, that is what they're going for. Yeah.

00:16:44   The Pantone color code. It's Pantone numbers and letters papaya. Yeah. So, but still, I mean,

00:16:52   I am going to get this one so fast. This, this, an orange iPhone might decide that I end up with

00:17:02   the pro and not the air. I don't know. It doesn't look orange to me. You were never going to get the air.

00:17:07   I was thinking about it. It depends. You're just, you will go to the Apple store. You will hold it,

00:17:12   which is, I'm basically describing what I'm going to do. Yeah. You will hold it. You'll be like, oh,

00:17:16   this is fun. You will buy the 17 pro and then next year you'll buy the fold.

00:17:20   Oh, that's how it goes. For sure. Yeah. The, the fold is, there's no question. Like that's an easy,

00:17:25   I mean, here's the thing. I was, I was allowing myself to remain open to the idea, but the thing

00:17:34   that I kind of feel like I know in my bones is like the, the decontenting will be too much.

00:17:41   Yes. And listen, listen to me. You got baby pictures to take. Yeah, you do. Yeah. It's going to take

00:17:48   away a lot of features and the battery life I bet is not going to be great. The battery life I will

00:17:52   struggle with. Cause that's, that's my one complaint about the pro. Especially if you're taking lots of

00:17:56   pictures, Mike, I mean, you're going to burn through that battery. That's true. I mean, the thing that

00:18:02   with the battery, it's like, what is the camera situation? Right? Like that's the thing like,

00:18:08   I don't, you know, we don't really know, like the telephoto I could, I don't really need, if I'm

00:18:13   being honest, like, uh, and I actually, at least I don't need the five times. And what I really don't

00:18:21   want sometimes is the ultrawide because the ultrawide causes me more problems than, uh, than, than

00:18:27   benefit. But yeah, but nevertheless, I, I, it is most likely I go with the pro. Uh, and especially if

00:18:34   they actually finally add some colors, like even if it is just the way that these colors look on the

00:18:40   Mac world article, that is more interesting than what we currently have. It is. It is. I kind of like

00:18:46   this light blue. I think the light blue looks really nice. Yeah. I'm not so sure about the orange

00:18:51   because it doesn't look like it's, I mean, I like orange. Orange is one of my favorite colors. Don't

00:18:55   get me wrong. But to me, this does not look like an orange phone. No, I mean, here's the thing.

00:18:59   Everyone has a different mock-up of it. Like Mac rumors also have a mock-up and their mock-up is more

00:19:06   orange. Um, but I, I think that you might be right, John, that if it is any kind of orange,

00:19:14   it's probably copper is what they're going for. Um, yeah. Yeah. Cause it just works with the metal

00:19:20   works with the metal finish that way. Yeah. So I've got lots of links in the show notes. It's very

00:19:26   complicated to try and work out what the colors will be obviously. Cause we're not at that point yet,

00:19:30   but, uh, yeah, it's so happening. I was thinking about this the other day. We're so close to the

00:19:35   next iPhone. Like we're actually so close now. Yeah. Unbelievable. Summer goes by fast. Yeah.

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00:21:40   of this show and all of Relay. Gentlemen, welcome to the Stephenlympics.

00:21:46   Beautiful. That was great sound effect work there, John. This is why we pay you the big bucks.

00:21:52   So Stephen's not here this week and he has been informed that he cannot listen to this episode

00:21:57   and we're going to make a bunch of picks. Here are the simple rules for this game. We're going to make

00:22:03   picks on the kinds of technology experiments or life updates Stephen may undertake in the next 12

00:22:11   months. To avoid a space-time paradox, Stephen has been forbidden from looking at the show notes

00:22:16   and is not allowed to listen to this episode. We will each make three picks. Correct predictions will

00:22:22   earn points when they are graded sometime in July of 2026. And we also have a selection of passion picks

00:22:29   that will be, they're like unscored, but for passion. You know, we'll grade them. We'll see

00:22:35   who got it right and who got it wrong, but it does not affect the score. The main picks are what affects

00:22:40   the score. We have three picks each. They're going to be going in round robin fashion. Good old round

00:22:46   robin. I don't get to do that so much anymore. Uh, John, you're going to start up. What is your first

00:22:51   pick? The inaugural pick in the Stephenlympics? I would like to kick things off today with the prediction

00:22:57   that Stephen is going to go back to a Mac setup that involves two or more Macs. So right now,

00:23:05   right? Two or more. Well, I had to say or more because originally this pick was two Macs. And then

00:23:11   I thought, oh, knowing Stephen, I bet he goes to like a three Mac system and I don't get the point. So

00:23:16   this is two or more. I think he's going with two, but I'm, I'm going to say two or more because I think

00:23:21   he will probably pick up a desktop at some point, probably a Mac studio, but that's not part of the

00:23:27   pick. This feels like an inevitability, right? The late. It does. And everybody, everybody who goes

00:23:33   laptop only always then toys with the idea of going back to a two Mac setup, I think. And vice versa.

00:23:39   If you have a two Mac system like I do, I think, you know, it would be much simpler if I, all I had

00:23:43   was my laptop, but I know myself and I've, I've realized that I'm always going to be a two Mac

00:23:48   person. And I think Stephen is just denying his true nature. I think he's a two Mac person.

00:23:54   So I'm actually going to make my pick, my first pick now, so we can continue talking about this.

00:23:58   My first pick is Stephen goes back to a desktop Mac. So like, like I, I really think that this is going

00:24:04   to be his thing. He'll either get a Mac mini or a Mac studio. I think one of the things that's going to

00:24:08   push him to do this is if they do release that a 18 pro Mac book air, I think that he will want one

00:24:16   of those and we'll be like, well, I can't have two laptops. I need a desktop Mac. That's what I

00:24:22   think is going to happen. I will tell you too. I don't think he'll go with a mini because he can't

00:24:26   get enough storage in a mini. How much storage goes in a mini? Oh, I think maybe four terabytes

00:24:33   is the max. We know that's not enough. No, it's definitely not eight. I mean, it's not

00:24:38   eight. Okay. Yeah. What do you think Federico? I mean, I don't want to spoil any of your picks,

00:24:44   but yeah. So I feel like it's going to end up with some kind of Mac studio. I think it's going

00:24:51   to justify that because of the storage, because of RAM, I think it's going to use the, not the excuse,

00:24:56   but it's going to sort of use the angle of like, oh, I need to have performance because I'm also

00:25:01   like a developer now. Yes. And you know, Xcode something. Oh yes.

00:25:06   Xcode doesn't work on laptops. We all know that. Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. And we'll have to

00:25:13   just accept it because we're not developers like him. Or something like, oh, I need to run AI locally

00:25:19   with Apple intelligence because of David. Like he's going to try and say something like Dave made me do it

00:25:28   or Dave recommended it to me or something like that. Well, really what's going to happen? I think

00:25:33   Mike's, Mike's right. I think he's going to end up buying that weird Mac book with the phone chip.

00:25:38   And then he's going to realize he's got two laptops and then he's going to say, well,

00:25:42   I want to keep the weird laptop and I'm going to get a desktop. Yep.

00:25:46   Two terabytes, by the way, is the amount of SSD space that can go in a Mac mini.

00:25:50   Oh, two. See, it's even, yeah. So there's no way it's going to go in a Mac mini. I think if he gets

00:25:55   the weird laptop, that lasts like maybe six months before he gives it to one of his kids, because

00:25:59   that thing's not going to be powerful enough for him in any shape or form. Yep. All right,

00:26:04   Federico, what's your first pick?

00:26:07   Well, I think Steven will end up buying both the iPhone 17 Air and the 17 Pro within the span of 12

00:26:15   months. And by that, I mean, he's buying them for himself, not like for his family. I think it's

00:26:23   going to flip flop. Like we know the guy, right? We know the guy cannot resist a new form factor.

00:26:29   Unlike, you know, Mike and I, you know, man of reason. Um, Steven is a man of impulse with these

00:26:35   things. He's going to go to the Apple store because for whatever reason, people buy stuff online. He

00:26:41   likes to drive to the Apple store. He goes there, he's going to buy a phone. He's going to be, oh,

00:26:46   I'm going to use the 17 Air for a while. And then after what, four or five months, um, it's going to be

00:26:52   like, it's not going to say anything. Right. And so like come, come February or March, we're going

00:26:59   to discover on connected that he's been back on the 17 pro for like a month. So I will, I will defend

00:27:05   Steven on the driving to the Apple store thing. That is partly my fault because he picks up my iPhone

00:27:09   as well. Cause I'm always there right for the podcast. So I want my iPhone. So he has to go pick

00:27:14   it up. I feel like he goes there. He goes there multiple times. That's true. He's always swinging by

00:27:21   the Apple store. Uh, yeah, here's what I, here's what I think will happen. Like I, I agree with

00:27:28   this pig, by the way, that he will order the, he will want the air. He will order the pro. He'll go

00:27:34   to the Apple store, hold the air, return his pro, get an air. And then like within three months,

00:27:42   the air becomes a testing device because Dave said, and then he gets, we, we all, we all agree.

00:27:51   We all agree on the Dave said. Dave is a whole poor underscore, but he's Dave is the new angle

00:27:58   here for sure. He's like the excuse for any purchase at this point. I want to, I have a rules thing that

00:28:04   I want to raise with your pick Federico, which is you say within the span of 12 months, I think this

00:28:09   should be within what the rules are is 12 months from today, right? Not 12 months starting when the

00:28:15   iPhones come out. Yeah. That is. Yeah. I mean, that's implicit. We will grade these when we come

00:28:21   back, but I'm alluring you guys. No, I was thinking that by July, 2026, he will have done the flip

00:28:28   flopping. Yes. Got it. John, you don't need to worry about the rules for this game. They're not as,

00:28:34   as particular. I know we're, I know we are bad with rules, but this is chill. This is a chill game.

00:28:39   Okay. All right. I'll, I'll, I'll calm down a little bit. All right. Here's my second round

00:28:43   pick. When reading this pick, Stephen will confess to another piece of technology that he has broken

00:28:50   and not told us about. Oh yeah. He will break the 17 air.

00:28:55   That's a wrinkle. That's a wrinkle. He sits on it.

00:28:59   Oh, that, that would be fun. It's like, oh, he breaks it and then goes back to the pro. That would

00:29:07   be hilarious. He both bends it and it starts hissing after he bends it and he makes a YouTube video.

00:29:13   That's not, that's not my pick. No. Uh, yeah, no, he, he also does this. Um, he, he, Stephen breaks

00:29:20   stuff, breaks his body parts occasionally. And you sometimes doesn't tell us about it. So yeah.

00:29:29   Yeah. I will never forget the time that he literally threw an iPhone down a set, uh, like a flight of

00:29:36   concrete stairs, like in a parking structure or something. And they went, they went down like

00:29:40   two flights of stairs somehow and they destroyed his phone. Obviously. I don't remember this.

00:29:45   This was years ago now. It was one of the earlier, earlier breaking things. Uh, it was like an,

00:29:53   I might've been like the iPhone six, I was going to say, or seven. I don't know. In that it was in

00:29:59   that era. It was a long time ago. Yeah. Okay. Uh, my round to pick is Stephen will go to WWDC 26.

00:30:09   Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a good call. Yeah. He will not be able to resist next year. Uh,

00:30:18   and the stars will align for Stephen to be there and I think it will go. Okay. Pretty simple pick.

00:30:26   All right. All right. Well, my second pick is that Stephen is going to start a home improvement project

00:30:32   with a technology goal. So my, my thought here, you know, my, my thought here is that Stephen's

00:30:41   always doing home improvement projects, but right. So that, that would be too obvious, but I, this is

00:30:46   something that's going to be related maybe to his family. It might be something, you know, network

00:30:51   related. He loves networking or it could be related to relay. It could be something that he's doing,

00:30:57   you know, changing his chain, his, changing his studio or in some way, putting up a wall,

00:31:03   you know, maybe putting in some electrical equipment because he's got some new lights or who knows what

00:31:09   it is, but he's going to do something that has a technology goal in mind. He's going to try and go

00:31:14   solar somewhere. Yeah, that could be right. Right. He wants to run his whole studio off of solar energy.

00:31:20   Something like that. Something like that. It's going to do something weird. Uh, yeah, for sure. Uh,

00:31:26   okay. So are we, are we in round three? We are in round three and you're picking us in round three.

00:31:33   Okay. I think that Stephen at some point will assemble a gallery of the liquid glass design evolution

00:31:43   through the betas. Hmm. That's a lot of work. Well, I mean, do you know, Stephen, it's got,

00:31:52   it's got a whole thing for every single version of Mac OS. I think it will start doing like, I think,

00:31:58   I think he misses the idea of like doing this big, like image heavy pages on 5.12. And I think maybe

00:32:07   this will actually, this could actually be a series even not that I'm like, not that I'm obviously

00:32:12   Stephen is not going to listen to this episode. So it is impossible for me to give Stephen any ideas,

00:32:17   but maybe I can manifest these ideas and maybe karma can reach Stephen. I mean, when we did the

00:32:22   teaching Olympics, I manifested you going mad and picking like 25 flexes in the very next game we

00:32:29   played. So yeah. So what, okay. So I'm putting, I'm putting this energy into the, into the universe.

00:32:34   Okay. And maybe, maybe Stephen can pick it up. I think a potentially fascinating idea for 5.12

00:32:40   would be to have pages for the major Apple design languages, right? So, so Aqua, iOS 7 and liquid glass,

00:32:50   for example, and have, and have a gallery that showcases how those designs were tweaked from the

00:32:57   presentation of WWDC to beta one, to the final beta and so forth. I think that could be something

00:33:04   that Stephen wants to do. Would it be feasible for him to do that after the fact? Or would it be too hard?

00:33:10   It's hard. Very hard. He's not already doing it. It'll be hard. It'll be hard. Not impossible.

00:33:14   But he might already be doing it. We don't know, right? Right. Yeah. Yeah. He has been posting a lot of

00:33:20   content about Aqua recently. Yeah. He has. Yeah. Do you find it weird when he says like, I was watching

00:33:26   this keynote from such and such. Yeah. Yeah. It's a little. Like, what are you doing? You're a real

00:33:32   busy man. Like, when are you watching these? Like, what's happening? Yeah. Like, like, like, like we

00:33:38   watch TV shows. It just, you know. He sits down to watch Steve Jobs in 2001. Sits down, watches Steve Jobs 25

00:33:44   years ago or something. He's like, hmm, bicycle for the mind. Yeah. That's right. I mean, who doesn't?

00:33:50   That's right. Thanks, Steve. All right. All right. So my, my third and final pick is that Stephen is

00:33:56   going to switch email clients on the iPhone. And the thinking behind this is that at some point,

00:34:04   we're going to get the, we're going to get a new email client, you know, we might, we'll finally

00:34:10   get, uh, MimeStream. Yep. That's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking MimeStream will come up. He'll move to

00:34:14   MimeStream if that comes to iOS, like, for sure. Yeah. So that's what I'm hoping that will happen.

00:34:20   Although MimeStream, I mean, that was, that was reported to be coming out in beta a long time ago.

00:34:26   I don't know where they are on it right now. Is that actually ever going to happen? I'm not sure.

00:34:28   At this point, who knows? I mean, who knows? What are you boys using for email?

00:34:35   Shortwave. At the moment, Superhuman. Oh, you're using different things.

00:34:39   Yeah, we are. Okay. Why did, cause, okay. So John, why did you stay on Shortwave and Federico moved to

00:34:47   Superhuman? I consider going to Superhuman. I stayed with Shortwave because I like their AI agent sidebar

00:34:55   better. I think it has, it has a better, it does a better job of mining old emails and with all the

00:35:01   sponsorship stuff. I find, and just getting contacts from developers, I find it really useful to be

00:35:07   able to go in there and say, for instance, show me, uh, create a report of all the developers who

00:35:12   contacted me in the last 30 days and what their apps are about, you know, and what the, and what the

00:35:17   release dates are, that kind of thing. And that, that, that's not, Superhuman's AI integration is

00:35:22   not as deep as Shortwave's. Okay. Okay. But it's like a million dollars a month, right?

00:35:28   Superhuman? Yeah, both of them are. Oh, they both are? Okay. They both are pretty expensive. Yeah.

00:35:33   They're, and they're within spitting distance of each other, really. You know, I'm so, I'm so frustrated

00:35:38   about all of the services that are making me pay more money for tools that I want. Yeah. No kidding.

00:35:43   Right. Like I think I saw, uh, Russell Ivanovich used to work at Pocket Cast. He posted on Mastodon,

00:35:50   something to that effect of like, so many web services and tools. They're adding AI that you

00:35:58   don't want necessarily. And they're just making you pay more. Like, I think it's a spot by Slack,

00:36:04   right? So Slack are like, and Google did this too, Google Workspace, where they're like,

00:36:08   hey, we're adding all these AI features and, uh, we're going to charge you more money for them

00:36:13   and you can't turn them off. So you're going to pay us more money. And so I didn't want it though.

00:36:17   Like, I don't need, like, I don't, I don't use Gmail. Right. So like, I don't need Gemini

00:36:25   and Gmail. Like I have a Gmail account, but I'm never like on the Gmail website. Right. And so,

00:36:32   and it's also, it's like with Slack, it's like, does Slack have AI tools? Like, what are they? I've

00:36:37   never come across them. Like, are these things that are going to happen? It's like, oh, it's so annoying.

00:36:41   I expect shortwave is going to be a short-term thing for me because eventually like the MCP

00:36:46   integrations will get so good that I'll be able to kind of roll my own. It's just the shortwave

00:36:50   has done a good job of what I want now without me having to jump through the hoops myself.

00:36:54   All right. I'm going to take a sidebar here on MCP. Right. Cause I hear you guys talking about it

00:36:58   and I know it's exciting. Right. Like, I understand it. Like, you know, just as a sense of like,

00:37:03   uh, if I can try and oversimplify it at all, like if there's in that, but just for AI. Right.

00:37:09   So like they can just plug all the web services in together. Here's my thinking on this. Why would

00:37:16   any of the big companies fully support this? What do you mean? Like it's not a competitive

00:37:21   advantage, right? For like open AI to really support MCP. Wouldn't they want to own everything

00:37:29   and just have you only live in their world? No, open AI has announced they're going to do MCP.

00:37:34   Yeah. But this is, this is like, they can't do everything though, Mike, you know, they can't do

00:37:39   email. They can't do task managers. Like I think like, can't they? No, I mean, it's not realistic

00:37:45   to imagine that open AI is going to do email and Notion and Slack and discord and building a

00:37:51   computer and a music service. I mean, in the short, in the short term, I mean, nothing is

00:37:58   stopping them from following the Apple approach and doing what is essentially an app store in

00:38:02   the meantime. And then progressively, if they are building a computer, if they are building

00:38:06   an operating system, progressively, they're just going to Sherlock some of those apps. I mean,

00:38:11   Apple is doing both. Um, they can do both. They can do MCP and if they want to build more

00:38:16   apps. Cause what I mean is like, there's like a way of like, you can support these things.

00:38:21   And you can like support these things, right? Where it's like, are you really going all in

00:38:28   on your support for this? Or are you just like, it's kind of, I think what Federico is saying,

00:38:32   because MCP being, is going to be like a very foundational protocol that doesn't do everything.

00:38:38   And then open AI can layer on top of that with more features. And that's how I think they would

00:38:44   do the kind of thing that Federico is suggesting with a store that displaces a lot of roll your

00:38:49   their own MCP type of interactions.

00:38:51   I heard, um, on a podcast, it's completely separate thing that I was listening to because

00:38:58   someone in discord. So like it, cause I said, they're building a computer. It's like, wait,

00:39:03   they're building a computer. And it's like, I am obviously fast forwarding, right? Like the

00:39:06   whole thing with IO is like, we build something eventually computer, right? Like I feel like that

00:39:11   seems like the logical thing, right? Like, well, you just build accessories forever. No,

00:39:15   they, they're like, want to get to computer or thing that replaces computer. Like that's the,

00:39:20   the vision goal here. Right. Um, but as this, an entertainment podcast that I love called the town,

00:39:27   somebody, uh, they were reporting on Sun Valley, you know, like the big CEO conference.

00:39:33   Right.

00:39:34   And this person had spoken to Sam Altman and Altman was wearing these like really big sunglasses.

00:39:40   Yeah. I saw the photo.

00:39:42   And she said to him like, are these smart glasses? And he was like, no, I don't like those.

00:39:49   Yeah. So he's ruled out another thing that, that, yeah, I saw, I saw the quote. I saw the quote.

00:39:54   Yeah. Interesting.

00:39:55   So yeah. Uh, who knows what's it gonna, what, what it's gonna be. I think, I mean, my, my money is on

00:40:01   some kind of, I don't want to call it an iPod, but I do want to call it like some kind of pod,

00:40:06   like some kind of accessory to yourself. Like a thing that doesn't really have, doesn't really,

00:40:11   maybe it doesn't even have a screen. I don't know, but something that, because the,

00:40:15   the most precious currency, right. For all these services is context, right. All of these companies

00:40:22   like, and the reason why Mike, you mentioned a competitive advantage. Uh, I would argue that MCP

00:40:28   is also like the reason why all these companies are getting into MCP because their hunger for user

00:40:35   context is what's feeding the embrace of MCP. Okay. Right. They just want, how much information

00:40:41   can I get about you without having to do everything? Yes. Okay. Exactly. That makes

00:40:46   sense. Which is also the reason why open AI is going to roll out some kind of like sign in,

00:40:50   which RGBT thing across the web at some point. And why they're also all building web browsers

00:40:55   now too. Yes. Yes. That's all that history, all that click history. They just want to suck

00:41:01   everything in. Context is the most important thing for any LLM and all of these companies,

00:41:07   they know they want, they want, they want, and they need your context, right. Yeah. For,

00:41:10   for a whole bunch of reasons. So I think it's going to be some kind of pod, some kind of thing

00:41:15   that, um, like it or not. And I mean, obviously you will, you will be free to buy it or not. Uh,

00:41:22   it's going to gather context from your life and make of that what you will. Obviously I was talking

00:41:27   from a friend of the show, Alex Cox, and they said their, their money is on headphones. Interesting.

00:41:33   Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. I mean, that, that, that's a, that, that's already like a socially acceptable,

00:41:38   you know, accessory. So socially acceptable thing. You wear them a lot. If you go with, say it's

00:41:45   anyone with over ears, which I don't know, but over ears would solve a lot of problems in that

00:41:49   you can pack a lot of battery and technology into those. Uh, if they're in ears, then you could pack

00:41:55   technology into the case. Right. And what they were saying is like, Sam Altman obviously wants to make

00:42:01   her. And that was a headphone, right. A little in ear from the movie. Right. But anyway, let's get

00:42:08   back to where are we? I'm lost. I think I'm on my pick, right. We're back to my pick. My, my final.

00:42:14   Oh yeah. I thought we were done. We still have yours. Yeah. Uh, when reading this,

00:42:17   Steven has a mustache and a shaved head. Okay. I'm picking Steven's style. And that's what I,

00:42:23   that's what I think is going to be. I think that's a good call.

00:42:25   No. Been a while since he's done that. It's, it's a, it's a good, I think mustache is here to stay.

00:42:32   And I think he's going to get bored with long hair and he's going to shave it all off. But also I feel

00:42:35   like it might be one of these things that this might be the first time that we all realize that

00:42:39   that's his look, you know, that's kind of what I'm going for. Right. Right. And next summer is a

00:42:44   good time for it because it'll be hot. So yeah, I think, I think that's a good call.

00:42:47   All right. We're now into passion picks. Uh, we each have a selection of picks. These are just

00:42:54   for spice, for flavor, for, for fun, for passion, for spice, for spice, passion, spicy passion. Uh,

00:43:01   John, do you want to go first with yours?

00:43:03   Yes. I'm going to start with Steven is going to upgrade his NAS setup because I think that

00:43:10   Steven's weakness, one of his kryptonites is storage. There's nothing that he likes more than

00:43:15   just a whole bunch of storage and nothing is better for that than a NAS. And he's going to,

00:43:20   he's going to decide that he needs something with like, I don't know, uh, 10, you know, 10,000 gigabit,

00:43:27   uh, ethernet or bigger SSDs or some, or Thunderbolt five or whatever it ends up being, but he's going

00:43:35   to upgrade his NAS setup. Do you want me to go through the rest of them too? All right. So second,

00:43:41   I think Steven will install something in his truck that, that to me is kind of an easy one. He's always

00:43:48   installing something, you know, different lights or a radio or a car play. He'll be 3d printing

00:43:53   something like, yeah, he'll do something to his truck. That man, I don't know if you guys are

00:43:58   familiar with how much stuff he's 3d printing that goes inside a truck, but it's, oh no, I didn't. I,

00:44:02   I, I, I haven't heard much about his 3d printing recently. He, he designs things to go in the truck.

00:44:09   Wow. You know, like, like he's measuring stuff and like printing them out, you know?

00:44:14   Like what kind of stuff? What do you, where's he, what's he like gluing these things down?

00:44:17   One thing that he was working on was like a little holder for his iPhone.

00:44:21   Oh, okay.

00:44:23   Right. I think so. He could plug it in cause he has wired car play.

00:44:27   Uh-huh. I think that was one.

00:44:29   All right. All right. All right. My, my next one is that Steven is going to install a weather

00:44:36   station. Oh, and this to me there, this has, you know, there, this has a Jason Snell angle. Cause

00:44:43   Jason, you know, he's spoken about his weather station many times over the years on upgrade. And

00:44:49   I feel like that has just kind of seeped slowly into Steven's brain and that he's not going to be

00:44:56   able to resist. He's going to, he's going to have a conversation with Jason sometime in the next year

00:45:01   about his, his weather station set up. And it's just going to send him down a rabbit hole of research

00:45:08   and going and buying parts. And it's one of those things that could, that's going to turn into one

00:45:13   of those technology home improvement projects that he's going to, you know, put on the roof of his house

00:45:17   or something. I actually can't believe he hasn't done this already. I kind of agree. I kind of agree.

00:45:22   The man is obsessed with weather. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it does feel like there's a good reason for

00:45:27   this in that Memphis gets every weather type. They do all the, all the weathers, all of them,

00:45:32   sometimes all of them in a week. All at once.

00:45:34   And he comes to get like ice rain or something over there. Like it's like, yeah, it's crazy.

00:45:40   Banana stuff. Yeah. It's actually quite surprising that he's not, that he's not had some,

00:45:44   that he hasn't done that, like a weather session. I don't know how easy these things are to do

00:45:51   these days, but Jason, Jason loves his. Yeah. Yeah. So my next one is that Steven is going to take

00:45:59   apart a major household appliance. We've all... I like major. Oh, like what? What are we thinking?

00:46:06   Yeah. Well, we've all, we've all been there when he sent us pictures of his, uh, what was his, like

00:46:11   his washing machine that he disassembled completely? Like every single piece was on the floor of his

00:46:17   house with a motor and he's putting in some kind of new wire or something, something like that. Like

00:46:21   a washing machine, a dryer, a dishwasher, something along those lines. You know, I, I was going to stop

00:46:28   you, but you, you ended up going and you said, we've all been there. And like, I definitely

00:46:31   haven't. Are you like when he sends his pictures? Like, oh yes, no, we've all been there. We've all

00:46:36   been there in the, in the group thread where we just kind of live vicariously through Steven and think,

00:46:40   nope, not going to do that myself. I would not do that. Uh, I would just pay a man and he will come

00:46:46   and he will fix my dryer for me that I'm perfectly happy with that. Federico, have you ever taken apart

00:46:52   a house out of appliance? Probably not, right? Uh, we have taken apart a few years ago, the washing

00:46:58   machine. I don't remember. Oh, some kind of pipe was connected. Oh my God. I remember that. Yes. Yeah.

00:47:03   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We took it apart a few times. Actually we, we, we became quite good at it. It was

00:47:08   like, uh, some pipe that needed like some, I don't, I don't know, some, some, something, I don't even know.

00:47:15   So we, um, when we bought our house, we paid the previous owner to keep their fridge

00:47:21   because it's a nice big fridge. It's what we call an American fridge, which means it has two doors.

00:47:27   Uh, we call those American fridges, uh, like the, where they open like, you know, like full width.

00:47:33   Yeah. And the reason we did this is because they, the, the previous owner remodeled and I think they

00:47:41   remodeled around the fridge. Cause like, I don't know how we'd get, I don't know how they were going

00:47:48   to get it out. Oh yeah. And then getting a new one in. The problem was getting a new one in where like,

00:47:53   they may have done something like, I don't know, taking it over the back garden wall or something.

00:47:59   I don't know, but I didn't want to deal with this. And I am terrified for the day when that fridge packs

00:48:05   up. Cause I don't know what we will do. Like, I have no idea. Uh, so that's just my little

00:48:12   appliance story for you. But like that fridge is, is, is structural, I think.

00:48:16   Yeah. When we moved into our place, the movers passed some of the stuff from the ground floor

00:48:23   up to our balcony on the second floor to bring it into the wide sliding glass doors onto our balcony.

00:48:31   Um, that, so a lot of our big stuff came in that way, but then recently we bought a new bed

00:48:37   and these whole team of people, it took them to get it up to the third floor because it was a king size

00:48:42   bed. And I was, I was terrified that they're going to ruin our walls or break something, but boy,

00:48:48   they knew, they knew what they were doing. They did a great job. They got it up there all the way up to

00:48:52   the third floor. They were, they were tired. There was no way I could have done that myself.

00:48:55   You have just reminded me of something that I had completely put out of my brain. Uh, so when we

00:49:01   sold our flat, the sofa that we had couldn't come with us cause it was too big for the area we would

00:49:08   put the new sofa in the new place. And so we sold the sofa online. I don't even remember like Facebook

00:49:15   marketplace or whatever. And basically said like, we'll sell it cheap. You come take it. Like,

00:49:22   we're not going to be involved in it. When they came the people to take it, they were like,

00:49:29   we can't get this out of the flat through the door. Um, it would have been really hard. So

00:49:37   they're like, we're going to take it out through the window, like the balcony window. I lived on the

00:49:42   second floor. Uh huh. But then I ended up getting roped into this. Oh, cause I was home. So yeah,

00:49:50   I'm standing downstairs on the, on the ground floor waiting for somebody to drop a couch,

00:49:57   a sofa with a guy who was like 20 years older than me. That's why I did it. Right. Cause I'm like,

00:50:03   this guy is older than me. I feel bad. He may have been like more, may might have been like 30 years

00:50:10   older than me. I don't know. Right. And so like, I'm standing down and catching this sofa. I'm like,

00:50:15   what is happening? Why am I doing this? I had not thought about this at all. Like our moving was like

00:50:19   really chaotic. I'm sure you guys, I don't know if you guys remember. Moving. Yeah. Moving is one of

00:50:25   those things you put out of your memory as fast as you possibly can. Well, we just had a thing where we

00:50:29   didn't know if we were moving until the morning of the day we moved, even though all our stuff

00:50:33   had been packed up, like it kind of got real messy. And so like, there were lots of weird things

00:50:37   happening and that was one of them. Anyway, John, you have a final pick. I do. I do. Steven is going

00:50:42   to assemble some shelving because you know, next to storage, it's a storage theme either for his

00:50:48   computer or for his gear. He loves good shelving. It may be a Kallax. It may be something for his

00:50:55   Mac collection. I don't know what it'll be, but he's, he needs more shelves. He always

00:50:59   needs more. I think he's still had some of those, has some of those Macs up in his attic of his house.

00:51:04   I think so. I'm going to give you a piece of data here where I think you might be right. So

00:51:08   Jason Snell just put some shelving in his office and he used the same shelving that Steven has.

00:51:14   And I wonder if this will make Steven want different shelving.

00:51:18   Yeah. He needs to always be first to the best shelving. So he's now that, now that it's spread

00:51:23   outside the boundaries of Memphis, Tennessee, you know what we should do is we should just to mess with

00:51:28   Steven. We should buy his shelving, each of us to see what he does. See what, see what happens.

00:51:34   We all get it. We all get it. We all get it. Federico would hate it because it's just pure

00:51:40   wood. So you'd have to spray paint it. Nope. Nope. Right. You'd have to spray paint it or something.

00:51:44   It would, that would actually work in my house. Yeah. It would work here too for me. Uh, but yeah.

00:51:50   All right. Good picks, John. Good picks. Thank you. Thank you. You're up, Mike.

00:51:54   Steven's next computer has more than eight terabytes of SSD. Oh, that's going to cost. I don't even know if

00:52:01   this is possible. Uh, but I figure when he does get the inevitable Mac that we expect he's going to

00:52:07   get, uh, one of the things to be like, I have too many old keynotes. I got to put them somewhere.

00:52:13   Yeah. I'm not sure it's possible currently, but the Mac pro, you know, he might, the Mac studio goes up

00:52:20   to 16, 16. Oh my gosh. For the low, low price of $4,600. Oh, thank you. Discord. Wow. No, I went to

00:52:32   the, uh, Oh, you went to the website real quick. Yeah. 16. Yeah. Yeah. He's got to go for it. He's

00:52:38   got it. I think he should go for it. He's got it. You know, he could fill that up. He's got a dev and

00:52:42   think databases. It's just incredibly huge. Federico, how much SSD space is in that Mac that Apple sent you?

00:52:48   Uh, eight terabytes. Only eight? Only eight. They chipped out. I mean, cause they gave you,

00:52:54   they gave you 512 Ram, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's the M3 ultra. They did a similar thing when I got a

00:52:59   MacBook pro M4 max. The one thing that, that wasn't maxed out on it was the storage. I like that even

00:53:05   Apple think it's too much. Yeah. You know, like they're like, Ooh, bit rich. Nobody needs that much

00:53:14   storage. We'll give you 512 gigabytes of memory, but it's 16 terabytes of storage. No way. I find

00:53:21   that weird that like, why would they only max out two of the three? And I, I think it was the,

00:53:28   it was the only machine they had available. Right. Probably true. Yeah. With the M3 ultra. Yeah.

00:53:35   All right. Pick two. Steven launches another Kickstarter campaign. Oh, another calendar.

00:53:40   I don't know if it's going to be a calendar because it's a good call. I think he doesn't

00:53:45   want to do the calendar, but I just think he has amassed enough data of his own at this point,

00:53:51   right? Information that he has researched or photos that he has taken or what, and, or just

00:53:56   hardware that at some point he's going to have an idea. Like, remember the calendar he went from,

00:54:02   he had the idea and then launched the Kickstarter campaign within like a week.

00:54:06   So this is a thing that I don't think any of us, including him can foresee right now,

00:54:12   but at some point something's going to pop into his head and a Kickstarter will be born

00:54:16   because they were successful for him. I think he should have kept doing the calendars, but he

00:54:20   didn't want to do it anymore because it was a lot of work, which I understand at the same

00:54:23   time, but they were, they were successful, successful projects. I think at some point he's going to be

00:54:28   like, well, at some point he's going to take apart a major household appliance and it won't

00:54:33   work anymore. So he launches a Kickstarter campaign. He'll need a new washer dryer. Yeah.

00:54:39   And the new calendar is born. Uh, my next pick. So this is kind of going on from one of the picks

00:54:47   that Federica made earlier, but I had to go for it anyway, cause I love it. Stephen buys and returns

00:54:51   at least one iPhone from the 2025 lineup. Uh, Stephen digs another trench. The man has dug

00:55:00   two trenches. Yeah, he has. I forgot about the one for the sewage. I mean, he, he, that looked

00:55:07   like the, the fiber optic cable one looked like a lot or not fibers ethernet. I guess that one

00:55:12   looked like a ton of tunnel. No, it was fiber, right? Was it a fiber optic cable? I think it was

00:55:16   ethernet. I think it was just ethernet from the house. Cause he had, remember he said he had the

00:55:20   ethernet in the conduit that was not outdoor ethernet and it got damaged somehow. It got

00:55:25   crimped. Yeah. Yeah. So then I think, I think he dug fiber. I think it was a fiber. Oh, okay.

00:55:30   Like a fiber optic cable. I'm pretty sure it was. Maybe I'm wrong. That's, that's my memory. Cause

00:55:34   he had the ethernet cable that he thought was an outdoor ethernet cable, but it wasn't and it died.

00:55:40   And I'm pretty sure he dug a trench and put a fiber optic cable down there. But yeah, do you

00:55:45   remember, Federico, do you remember the backhoe discussion?

00:55:47   No, I was just wondering how you guys remember all these details. I don't know. I just remember

00:55:54   the pictures that he sent us and it was like a, it was hot and he was digging in the backyard

00:55:58   for days. He had, we, we spoke about it on this show, backhoe. And it was like, it's a,

00:56:03   it's a digger essentially that he had to hire. I know, I know what a backhoe is. Yes. I just

00:56:09   remember the story. Yeah. So that, that he did, he, I think a tree root broke through the sewage

00:56:17   pipe and he had to replace the pipe. So I think he'll want to big, do another trench, a third

00:56:27   trench. And I don't know what it will be for yet, but he'll dig another one. My final pick

00:56:32   is Stephen will not win the relay co-founder championship at the podcast. I am the current

00:56:37   belt holder. I display it proudly and I'm coming into this year and I'm going to beat him again.

00:56:42   Yeah. I could see that. The first time he cheated, uh, and I wouldn't allow any cheating to stand in

00:56:49   the second year and I will not allow any cheating to stand in the third year, which means I will win.

00:56:52   Okay. Is it time for my passion picks? Please go for it. My number one is Stephen will win

00:57:01   the relay co-founders championship this year. Wow. Yeah. It's like a shot in the eye right there.

00:57:05   Yeah. Why would you do that? You know, right in front of my bets, you know, right in front of my bets.

00:57:09   Why am I catching stripes? Yeah. Uh, number two, Stephen will finish at least one game on the

00:57:17   new analog Nintendo 64 console. Assuming it's ever released. Did you see it again?

00:57:24   Buy a month. Buy a month. Yeah. But like what happens when we get a month down the line,

00:57:30   you know? Yeah. Analog has, nothing's ever come out on time from analog. A lot of you have to kind

00:57:36   of build in an extra year when you order something from them. Yeah. Yeah. But they're really good

00:57:42   consoles. So they make good stuff. They do make good stuff. Yeah. Did you guys see that Casey Neistat now

00:57:48   has a role at the Mod Retro company? Oh no. I saw a video. I saved it. I still haven't watched it.

00:57:55   What's the deal? What's the deal? Basically the video that he put out is essentially an ad

00:58:01   for Mod Retro. And at the end of it, he shows off this business card that's like Casey Neistat,

00:58:09   Mod Retro, chief storyteller or something like that. Like basically it seems like Palmer Luckey

00:58:15   has thrown a bunch of money at Casey Neistat to make some stuff for them, like videos and

00:58:20   maybe to advise on some things. Interesting.

00:58:22   It's like one of those videos where like I started watching it and like very quickly I'm like,

00:58:27   ah, I see what's going on here. Yeah. This is just an ad. And it's like, oh, it's like

00:58:34   the moment when Palmer Luckey appears. I'm like, oh, no. No. What's happening? Here he is. Oh boy.

00:58:44   Because they announced, I think Mod Retro are like, because you remember, I don't know if you

00:58:49   remember this. I had forgotten this, but when they initially did it, they were like, we bought these

00:58:54   many. We're going to sell them. We don't know if this is going to be a thing. And now they're like,

00:58:59   yep, we're making this a thing. It's happening. Like you could just buy these things.

00:59:03   Yeah. They just came out with more colors. I read somewhere.

00:59:06   Yeah. I think you got more games because you know, they have the Tetris and I think they have a bunch

00:59:10   of new games.

00:59:10   Yeah. They're selling their games for like 50, $60. A lot for a Game Boy game.

00:59:16   It's licensing, right? And also, I don't know.

00:59:20   It's like, again, I maintain, like, it is a good product. It's just very unfortunate.

00:59:25   Everything about it is very unfortunate.

00:59:26   Yeah. By all accounts, it's very well built, but you know, it is also Palmer Luckey.

00:59:30   Yes. It's very, it's like, oh.

00:59:32   There's that.

00:59:33   It's like, this is like really good aluminum. Did you get this from the aerospace industry, Palmer?

00:59:37   Oh my God.

00:59:40   Built with recycled drones or something.

00:59:42   Oh gosh.

00:59:46   That's so terrible.

00:59:47   Please go back to your picks.

00:59:48   Please go back to your picks.

00:59:49   That is, we got, we, we, we got to the point where we're talking about recycled weapons.

00:59:55   Okay.

00:59:55   Yeah.

00:59:56   Ah, my number three was Stephen sees either or, I don't know, maybe both, Yellow Card or Death

01:00:06   Cap for Cutie again.

01:00:07   I think it's going to go to a concert of one of those two bands. Maybe even both. I don't

01:00:13   know. Stephen does this thing where like occasionally he goes to a concert and often like,

01:00:18   by himself.

01:00:19   And he drives long distances for them. Didn't he go to like Nashville for Death Cab?

01:00:24   If you think about it, like if you're in that area, you're most likely, as a band, you're

01:00:28   most likely going to play Nashville as opposed to Manchester.

01:00:30   Yeah, no, that's true. That's true. Like around here, it's like people go to Atlanta. They

01:00:34   don't come to Charlotte so much.

01:00:35   And they just expect people will drive.

01:00:37   Yeah.

01:00:39   Number four, Stephen hurts himself trying to do some physical work.

01:00:45   It's probably the household appliance.

01:00:47   Yeah. It's going to try, or probably the trench that he's going to dig. I don't know.

01:00:53   Or that too, yeah.

01:00:54   He's going to try, or maybe it's, is he biking again or not?

01:01:00   Yeah. I mean, this is, the biking with him is one of these things where like, he'll mention

01:01:06   to me that he's doing it. And I'm like, what about the injury? And he's like, ah, don't

01:01:11   worry about it. I'm saying, okay. Okay. Bye.

01:01:15   So he's biking again. Okay.

01:01:18   I think so.

01:01:19   He's like a smoker or something.

01:01:20   Secretly.

01:01:21   Right.

01:01:22   It's a weird thing to do secretly, like an exercise.

01:01:26   Yeah. He's a closet biker.

01:01:29   His foot is like more robot than human at this point. So.

01:01:33   Yeah. And finally, I think the time has come for this pic to come true. One of Stephen's old

01:01:43   pieces of Apple gear gets misplaced.

01:01:46   Oh, wow.

01:01:48   He's going to lose something.

01:01:50   He's going to lose a message pad between the cushions of his couch or something.

01:01:55   Something is going to get lost. He's going to misplace something and he will be very upset

01:02:02   about it.

01:02:02   Have you guys ever seen his, I don't know if it's public, his inventory of all Mac stuff?

01:02:12   Oh, there's a, I think there's an air table.

01:02:14   Yeah. There's something.

01:02:16   I think it's a Google sheet.

01:02:17   Google. Yeah.

01:02:18   I think he ended up going with Google sheets. He, I think it's public. I'm not sure, but

01:02:23   I have looked at it. Uh, not in a long time, but.

01:02:26   Yeah. I'm trying to find it. If I can find it, I'll put it in the show notes. I might ask

01:02:29   him and if it is, I'll put it in the show notes. Um, but like, it is possible that he could,

01:02:36   because at first I was like, how would he even know? He has so much stuff. Like, how would

01:02:42   he even know that something got lost? But then it's like, oh, you know what? Like he has such

01:02:49   an exhaustive inventory that it is possible that he could lose something.

01:02:55   I wonder if he's recorded like where in his house, each of these things are. Most of it,

01:02:59   I guess, is in his, in his studio, but.

01:03:01   At the moment it, he has manufacturer product category year notes condition. Those are the,

01:03:07   those are the things on his table. I'll find out if I can put this in the show notes, I will

01:03:13   put this in the show notes. I'll find that out, but I've shared it both of you too. If you want

01:03:17   to have a look at it again, he shared it with me again recently. Some of the details in this

01:03:21   are very funny. The man is, he has a, he has a very particular thing that he does.

01:03:28   He does.

01:03:29   And we're happy for him, you know, but will he lose something? Maybe.

01:03:33   No, maybe. I'm feeling pretty good about the picks. Feeling pretty good about him, Mike,

01:03:39   overall. I think we've all got good picks here.

01:03:41   They're good picks. They're all good picks. Uh, John, I want to thank you for joining us,

01:03:44   but before we wrap up today, I wanted to get a bit of a, an update in the OTJ life. Uh, more,

01:03:52   I guess mostly, uh, how are the betas treating you?

01:03:56   Well, that's a loaded question. They, they were treating me better at the beginning than they are

01:04:02   now. I think that these third developer betas are a little, a little shaky, which is probably why we

01:04:08   haven't seen the public version yet. But, uh, as we were sitting here, I have, uh, the, the beta on my

01:04:15   watch and it's only like at one 30 this afternoon, I had this fully charged up by about 8 a.m.

01:04:21   My, my, uh, my, my watch had completely died. The ultra, it just burned through the battery before

01:04:27   one 30 p.m., which I don't know how it did that. I mean, I haven't really done much. I went for a

01:04:31   walk this morning, a short walk this morning, but I think you might be the only person I know that's

01:04:36   got the watch better on. Uh, yeah. I mean, we have, no, I also have it. You also have it? Yeah. Why?

01:04:42   It's fine. Okay. Well, not for Johnny, man. What, what, what, what, what, what, what, everybody wants

01:04:47   to work out, buddy? What question is, what question is why? Because it's new. It's what we do. Yeah, I know.

01:04:53   And it's what we do. Okay. You know, I know, but the watch, I don't know why the watch better to me

01:04:57   always feels like the most precarious. Thank you. Yeah. It's been fine until really, I'd noticed this,

01:05:02   this battery drain thing yesterday and today. I, and I don't know what has changed because I

01:05:07   haven't updated the, the beta in the last couple of days, but it's just been really bad the last

01:05:11   couple of days. Um, the phone, you know, four or five springboard crashes a day. A few things are a

01:05:17   little weird. Overall, it's okay. Uh, the Mac, uh, it's all right. I mean, for the most part, I didn't

01:05:25   really even notice the betas when I first put the, put them on the Mac because you know, the, the stuff

01:05:29   that you use day to day, it hasn't changed that much. And liquid glass just not, is not as deep

01:05:34   on the back yet as it is on other devices. And I haven't run into too many problems except for a

01:05:41   handful of apps, you know, originally carbon copy cloner didn't work, but that was, they had a beta

01:05:46   out right away. Same went for default folder X. They have a beta out now that's working, you know, uh,

01:05:54   audio hijack works. I've had some problems with logic, but by and large, it's been totally fine

01:06:00   on the Mac. Cause I've been doing the same amount of work on my main, uh, Mac studio that I do before

01:06:05   the betas. So it's, you know, it's, it's been good. It's just that it's been a little buggier

01:06:09   since the last, the beta three was released. What was it like 10 days ago, something like that two

01:06:15   weeks? Yeah. I think it's too, well, it was just after 4th of July, right? Yeah, I guess that's

01:06:24   right. So it's been two weeks roughly. And, um, yeah, I don't know where Apple's going with this

01:06:29   public beta. I would have thought that we would have given that it's been a couple of weeks, I would

01:06:33   have thought that we would have seen another beta for earlier this week. It ain't happening. Cause

01:06:39   it's like one of these, so they, there are these, uh, threads accounts, you know, that get suggested

01:06:45   to me. And there's one of them, which is, it is actually a good account. It's like, um, they post

01:06:50   a lot of beta information, like a lot of screenshots and stuff side by side. And I don't remember the

01:06:55   name of the account. I just see it in the algorithm all the time. And I saw a post from them where they

01:07:00   were like, uh, earlier in this week, it's like the public betas will be out this, like will be out

01:07:06   today. And I'm like looking at it and I'm like, I always find these things

01:07:09   funny because it's like, I understand that you are looking at previous, right? Like

01:07:17   you're looking at previous years and working it out, right? That like beta three comes out

01:07:22   this day, this amount of days later they released the public beta, but I'm like, you're not, but

01:07:28   like I'm looking at, I don't think you're taking into consideration how different this year is

01:07:33   likely to be because of the design, right? That like, and especially because beta three was

01:07:37   odd, right? Like, Oh, they've changed the design. So they've changed it again. So I wasn't sure,

01:07:44   but, and then they published another post a couple of days later and it's like, well, it seems like not

01:07:49   maybe next week. And it's like, yeah.

01:07:50   Yeah. I mean, if, you know, history would tell us that it would have been two days ago on the 14th,

01:07:56   because that's the, that's when it was that same week last year. Not this year, obviously. And I think

01:08:03   Mark Gurman said on, on X, the everything app that he expects it's going to be around the 23rd, which is

01:08:14   the middle of next week, which would be a little, a little strange historically. I mean, I think

01:08:19   historically they've come out on Mondays, but you know, who's coming?

01:08:22   Well, I mean, that would suggest that it would be based on beta four probably, right?

01:08:25   Right.

01:08:26   Yeah. Yeah. I guess.

01:08:28   I guess we'd expect beta four next week.

01:08:31   And then they're going to, yeah. What that would suggest is that they're going to put out a,

01:08:35   what is essentially the, you know, the release version of the public beta on a Monday for

01:08:42   Wednesday release publicly, which I could see them doing. That's not typically how they've done it,

01:08:47   but I could see it happening.

01:08:49   Yeah. I think me and Jason would talk about it as an upgrade and it might be that like

01:08:55   his theory was that one of the reasons they changed the design significantly as they did in beta three

01:09:03   was that they wanted to scale it back when they put it in the public beta, right? That like maybe they

01:09:09   would scale it back a bit and then build it back up again. Maybe they scaled it too far. I don't know.

01:09:15   Or maybe something's just broken because there is a reason because it should be out by now based on

01:09:20   what we would assume. But also this is like just a weird year and who knows what's going on.

01:09:24   Yeah. I think it's a combination of probably the design and just the general bugginess because it's not

01:09:29   unusual for like beta one to be more stable than beta two. It's just the way it is. I mean,

01:09:35   they've worked more, you know, they probably worked more weeks on beta ones. And so they do tend to go

01:09:41   up and down cyclically as the betas go on. It's just that, you know, I think it was in pretty,

01:09:46   it's in not a great spot right now. And hopefully beta four will fix a lot of that.

01:09:52   So we just said something in the discord, which is like, I'm glad they're not making beta three the

01:09:57   public beta because the multitasking switcher being weird is driving me bananas. What is going on with

01:10:01   this? Like I'm using it on my iPad. It feels like it's doing something completely inconsistent every

01:10:06   time I swipe up. It's like, why am I in the middle of these list of apps now? It's very strange.

01:10:11   Yeah. So on the iPhone, it used to be that when you swipe up and hold, when you open the app

01:10:16   switcher, the window in focus is the previously used application, right? Yeah. And now when you

01:10:22   swipe up and hold, the window in focus is the app that you're using at the moment, which totally

01:10:27   broke my muscle memory as well. Huh? Okay. The iPad's doing something completely different,

01:10:31   I think. Yeah, I think so. Cause they've just got the expose view basically.

01:10:36   But like it's when I, when I, when I do, when I, when I enable that view on my iPad, it's

01:10:42   like, it looks like it puts me in like the middle of that list. Not, not like it's very

01:10:47   strange. Like, I don't know what's going on, but they're doing something. I mean, I wouldn't

01:10:51   be surprised if the iPad one changed cause they added that new, like swipe backwards and forwards

01:10:56   thing, which I do, which I do like, but it seems like it's, it's, it's broken, man.

01:11:01   I actually tried doing that gesture before they had added it. And I'm so glad they added it because

01:11:06   just, it's so natural. It just made, it makes total sense to have that.

01:11:09   Yeah. Still loving the iPad. I was going to put, I was, I was wondering whether I was going to put

01:11:14   it on my iPhone yet, but now I'm, now I'm going to wait for four. I'm going to see, I was originally

01:11:18   going to wait for three and now I'm going to wait for four.

01:11:20   Yeah. And you know, like last weekend we were going somewhere and I just,

01:11:24   I couldn't get maps to work. It would, it kept saying it couldn't find my location.

01:11:29   And yet I was looking at the maps app in CarPlay and it showed the little triangle showing that I

01:11:35   was right there at my house. And yet Siri kept telling me, we can't, you know, try again later.

01:11:40   We can't locate you. And I was like, well, I need to get somewhere in Charlotte that I don't know how

01:11:43   to get to, you know, I need to get this to work. So then we just resort to Jennifer's phone at that

01:11:48   point.

01:11:50   So you've got to break out that 16E in case of emergency.

01:11:53   Yeah, I know. I'm going to have to start carrying two phones.

01:11:55   In case of emergency, 16E. Two phone life though, John, I'll tell you, it's pretty nice.

01:11:59   Oh, I know. I was trying to convince Federico of that the other day. My 16E.

01:12:02   I know.

01:12:03   It's working great.

01:12:04   Two phone life is pretty nice. It's pretty nice.

01:12:06   I don't need a second iPhone. I need all the iPads.

01:12:10   Yeah.

01:12:10   That's correct, but not all the iPhones.

01:12:12   Yeah, yeah, of course.

01:12:13   The logic there is obvious.

01:12:16   It's obvious.

01:12:17   We don't need to explain it because it's obvious.

01:12:20   Right. Yeah, exactly.

01:12:22   It doesn't need to be explained. We all get it.

01:12:23   I don't see the problem. Yeah.

01:12:25   John, thank you so much for joining us and for playing these games.

01:12:27   Hey, thanks for having me. A lot of fun. Yeah, it was a lot of fun playing the games with

01:12:30   you two guys.

01:12:31   I will start the wrap up now. So if you want to find John online, I'm going to tell you

01:12:35   a few places you can go. If you go to maxstories.net, where you can read John's work. You can also

01:12:39   find John on social media. J-O-H-N-V-O-R-H-W-E-S.

01:12:44   That's it.

01:12:45   Talk to you next week, Federico.

01:12:49   These things are just burned into my brain. I will recommend that people go listen to

01:12:55   NPC. It's one of my favorite podcasts. John is one of the hosts of that, obviously, along

01:12:59   with Federico and Brendan. I love NPC. I think NPC reminds me a little bit about this show

01:13:06   in a way. I think in that you start for the subject matter, but at a certain point, that's

01:13:14   not what you're listening to.

01:13:15   Yeah, we just go off the rails, too.

01:13:17   Yeah, but they're the best podcasts. In my opinion, they're the best podcasts. So it's

01:13:21   like, what did you tune into this episode for, in theory, today? You're like, oh, I want to

01:13:26   get my Apple news. What did we do? We made predictions about our friend that we're going to reveal

01:13:30   in a year. It's like, you know, you're here for us. And that's why I love NPC. And it really

01:13:35   goes to the top of my queue every week. And so, and I'm also, I wasn't, when you, the three of you

01:13:41   made the show weekly, I wasn't sure. And now I'm really happy you did it.

01:13:44   Yeah.

01:13:45   Thank you.

01:13:46   Yeah, thanks.

01:13:46   It's been nice.

01:13:47   It's worked out really well. It was a little hard when Brendan was in Tokyo, but he's back

01:13:51   now.

01:13:51   That was one of my favorite things was like, all right, maybe Brendan will be here next week.

01:13:56   Okay. Brendan's not here. Maybe, maybe next week. The man was on his honeymoon. Let the

01:14:02   man take a honeymoon.

01:14:03   The window where that was possible to record was so small between the East Coast, US, Italy

01:14:10   and Tokyo.

01:14:10   I was happy we got, I think one, right? There was one when he was in Tokyo.

01:14:14   I think there were two. There might've been two. Yeah, there were a couple.

01:14:16   He was on two, but all three of you were just on one, I think.

01:14:19   Oh yeah, that might be true. Because I was on with him once. Yeah.

01:14:23   And then Federico was, I think upstairs neighbor was just having jackhammering going. I'm such

01:14:29   a, I'm such a super fan. You know, I know, I know everything. Thank you. It's like, this

01:14:33   is how like listeners talk to us. He knows all the details. Right. It's like, in the chat

01:14:37   today, we were talking about things and I'm like, none of us could remember why Steven exactly

01:14:42   had a backhoe. And they're like, oh, it's because of this or that. And so people remember

01:14:46   and it's like, I don't know what it is that like, if you listen to a podcast, you can remember

01:14:51   all of the details. If you're on the podcast, you remember none of the details.

01:14:55   Oh yeah. I don't either. I don't remember at all. It is weird. It is weird. I have no,

01:15:00   I have very little few recollections of that series of Tokyo ones because I was, I was usually

01:15:05   recording at like seven 30 in the morning and I was just not awake for those episodes.

01:15:09   It's just that episode. The one that you're all on was funny because no one was happy.

01:15:14   No, everyone was unhappy. It was great because you two just arrived back home and Brendan was

01:15:22   going out and there was a parade. That was the best bit. Anyway.

01:15:26   Yeah, that was good.

01:15:27   I'm not going to keep talking about this show forever. So I'm going to stop now. You can find

01:15:30   Federico over at max stories.net as well. And he is the teacher across social media. You can find me

01:15:35   here and you can go to my website, theenthusiast.net and you can check out my products at Cortex brand as

01:15:40   well. I would like to thank, uh, Squarespace for the support of the show. I would like to

01:15:44   thank our members who support us with connected pro. You can go to get connected pro.co to sign

01:15:50   up. Thank you so much. If you have, uh, in this week's pro show, we all talk about how excited we

01:15:54   are for Donkey Kong Bonanza. So if you're a true gamer, go to get connected pro.co and you can hear

01:16:00   more about that. Uh, we'll be back next week. I expect all of us together, but who can truly know?

01:16:06   Uh, thank you so much for listening to connected until next time. Say goodbye guys.

01:16:10   Cheerio. Bye Ricky. Oh, bye Richard.